 Wednesday, March 02, 2005
Rangers, Celtic and Money
As all followers of football finances will know, Rangers are involved in a play which stands to make them tens of millions of pounds from a proposed casino development. It is their key strategy to deliver them from inhibiting debt.
This week David Murray and his board are facing the consequences of being out manoeuvred by London Clubs International (LCI), who have received planning permission from Glasgow City Council for a 65,000 sq. ft. casino at Springfield Quay.
Rangers casino windfall had been at risk from several quarters. The Gambling Bill, which is expected to provide for around ten casinos across Britain, is by no means guaranteed a successful passage through Parliament. There has also been stiff competition to the Rangers/Las Vegas Sands proposal from LCI and MGM Mirage, who were hoping to build at Glasgow Harbour.
While the Nevada operators have been busy weighing up opportunities in urban areas across the UK, LCI moved decisively. Having secured a site big enough for a resort sized casino they approached Glasgow City Council with a foolproof strategy. If the Gambling Bill passes through Parliament LCI will build a casino larger than any current facility in Britain. If the Gambling Bill fails, they have received permission to build a more modest casino.
LCI have assessed the competition from Nevada and have correctly figured that they would not be interested in Glasgow if the Gambling Bill fails. This fact has been used by LCI to move with fleet of foot to get planning permission from the Council before their more grandiose opponents were in a position to strike.
What a stroke! As I have repeatedly said, when you go into a negotiation, leave nothing to chance, make sure you are going to win before you start.
Those waiting on financial news from Celtic (including yours truly) will have to wait for some time yet. I now do not expect information to be released this week or next. Our future is not being gambled on a casino, it is being planned with long term success and, of course, ‘the move’ in mind.
Just as London Clubs International has done, we are also planning to win the future before the sport begins.
48 Comments:
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To be honest Paul – I have always been of the opinion that the ibrox sands complex was another smoke and mirrors scan by David Murray.Esq. If my memory serves me correct the spin was that the American billionaire would stump up all of the cash yet rangers would be entitled to a very large portion of any profits made. Now, not that I am an expert on how to become a billionaire (unfortunately) but I would expect that people don’t become billionaire’s by giving away any profit’s that they make!
The Ibrox sand’s project (sounds very Austin Power’s) was up there alongside the plan to take over the world by having agreements with Northern Spirit (who eventually sued rangers) and the tie up with the Chinese team.
Smoke and Mirror’s my dear David… smoke and mirrors…………………..
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Paul, your coverage of this story is so complete that there is nothing left to write except for pointing out the mismanagement at Ibrox, and there is only so much mileage in that.
E-tims had another thought provoking article on it -
http://www.etims.net/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=725&Itemid=29
Dovetails nicely with my comments in the last thread about being a Scot and supporting Celtic.
Okay, Okay so this is a hijack. Hands up and move to the back of the plane.
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Great article Paul.
Well done LCI!!
Tony, Latvia
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Another fantastically well researched article Paul. Are you sure that you are not football finance analyst David Low under cover?
As soon as I heard the David Murray Rangers casino plan, I immediately thought of Kevin Kelly standing in a field in Cambuslang talking about a state of the art stadium complete with links to airports etc. The Scottish Press rightly rubbished this story at the time, but it just goes to show how much David Murray controls / influences the press when they actually think that the casino will happen.
As has previously been posted, this is a smokescreen to hide the financial problems at Ibrox. However WHEN it does fall through, I can guarantee that the Press will not pester Murray for answers as to why it fell through.
The reason it will fall through is simple. If you are out on a night out in Glasgow City Centre and decide to go to a Casino, do you,
a) Walk to a casino a couple of hundreds yards away in the City Centre.
b) Get a taxi / bus to Govan to sample the same facilities that you can get in the City Centre.
I am not being biased when I write this, as I believe that Celtic would have the same problems in trying to make a Casino work in Parkhead.
However as Paul points out, I would like to think that our board have some long term secure investments to announce, not David Murray gambling on a business venture that makes Nick Leeson's business acumen seem like Gordon Brown's.
Newarthill John
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The most highly developed and likely proposal for a scottish casino is the SECC site proposal:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/3885085.stm
... Ibrox Sands seems to be getting nudged further and further back down the queue .....
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While it's a business choice how to grow your business, somehow the step-out from running club football pools to running a casino somehow doesnt feel the right way for my team. I am really glad Celtic are leaving the Las Vegas approach to others.
Meanwhile our own business schemers are focussing (quietly and behind the scenes) on getting our big picture in order and setting the stage for future growth.
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Paul,
With all due respect, if everyone preparing to negotiate takes your advice and 'leaves nothing to chance - make sure you are going to win before you start', (negotiating), then the world would be in a right 2 and 8, all you would get is total Stalemate, or Deadlock to use a negotiating term. Its like the old blanket go early and avoid the big queue advice, if everyone goes early all you end up with is a really early big queue. To do well in any negotiation, you need to be clear on what you want, be equally clear on what your opponent wants, and hopefully settle on a deal somewhere in between, that my friend is what makes the world go round. Apart from that, another very interesting article.
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Newarthill John
Quite sure my name is Paul not David.
Anon from 1.19
The day "everyone preparing to negotiate" takes my advice, I'll not be wasting my time on a weblog.
I strongly disagree about your thoughts on seeking a compromise when preparing to negotiate.
When planning a negotiation:
Decide what you want.
Prepare the groundwork to ensure you get what you want.
When your preparations are complete let the other guy know how strong a hand you have.
Then sit down and do the get your agreement.
What LCI have done is a good example of this.
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Paul 67 - Perhaps you are showing your age here - no disresepct intended - given time, you will probably come to realise that setting out to Negotiate with the intention of screwing the opposition into the ground is a sure fire way of ending up losing. Just as in anything else in life, you have to take the other party's position into consideration, they will not just roll over and die because you have done your homework - would you? Lets agree to disagree - you get most other things right! DD.
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OK then DD, we will agree to disagree.
Negotiating is what I do for a living and I have had my experiences of losing , drawing as well as winning.
I will agree with you on one point, don’t try to screw someone, especially when you will have to do business with them again.
However, when you want to win a contract (or get preferential planning permission, or gain entry to another league), if you only try to find a middle ground you will be vulnerable to someone who has done their homework and answered all the questions not yet asked. Or put another way, someone who wants it more than you do.
Some people win more than their fare share of deals, and it is not down to providence, it is down to good planning.
I sure hope you are not the DD, I am kind of hoping he is the mother of all ‘bad ass’ negotiators :-)
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Commodore 64's, negotiation skills what next?
No mention of a very important game tonight yet....
Hopefully a reasonable crowd will be there to watch Bellamy score his first hat-trick.....You heard it here first
Come on the hoops....
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Probably talking at cross purposes here Paul - Tendering / competing against an opponent in trying to win your 'fair share of deals, absolutely YES, do all you (legally!) can to win that deal. Having won it however, you may want to try and Negotiate better terms - its at that point you need to be clear on the other party's position and be prepared to compromise - not before you've won it. And only be prepared to compromise, you may get all you ask for. If you apply this logic in terms of gaining entry to the EPL, we should do whatever it takes to get in there. Once we're in however, we might want to negotiate a better deal, but only once we're in. If we try and play the tough guy before hand with whoever has the keys (to the EPL) they'll probably keep us locked out. (Apologies to everyone else for boring you with this) DD.
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Probably talking at cross purposes here Paul - Tendering / competing against an opponent in trying to win your 'fair share of deals, absolutely YES, do all you (legally!) can to win that deal. Having won it however, you may want to try and Negotiate better terms - its at that point you need to be clear on the other party's position and be prepared to compromise - not before you've won it. And only be prepared to compromise, you may get all you ask for. If you apply this logic in terms of gaining entry to the EPL, we should do whatever it takes to get in there. Once we're in however, we might want to negotiate a better deal, but only once we're in. If we try and play the tough guy before hand with whoever has the keys (to the EPL) they'll probably keep us locked out. (Apologies to everyone else for boring you with this) DD.
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Hail Paul like the site you do good work. You say that celtic are not banking on a casino for future income but have a long term strategy for success {you dont howevever say what in your opinion this is}. It would appear that celtics develelopment rests on being invited or bullying our way into england. If this is the case then I for one am worried, maybe just maybe celtic are on a downward spiral both on and off the field. Falling attendances, not producing financial results,bad press{panarama},all in my opinion does not bode well for the forseeable future. Unless serious investment and an upeat response from the fans is forth coming, I fear our future is based on aye, naws and mibees.
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I often wonder why David Murray has not been reprimanded by the stock exchange for the amount of inaccurate statements he makes about a publicly traded company.
How close to the truth will his prediction about Rangers being debt free by the end of the year be?
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Paul67 et al,
Your article, my dear friend is well thought out and researched.
But and again, this is a great big But----- Your financial foresight is severely hampered by incomplete and downright blatant deception.
This whole ball of wax is in imminent danger of a very messy meltdown.
As you have informed, everything depends on the Political denouement of the impending Casino Legislation.
Thereby lies the rub.
My sources ("And believe me... he does have cogent intelligence in this matter.") added Collie...... tell me that the Bill will go through.
London clubs, as you have pointed out are in the Cat Seat.
Nevertheless , MGM are such a big elephant in this Menagerie, that don't count them out.
I personally think that MGM will come out of it, smiling like the inimitable Jack H.
Sheldon, the other leg on the stool, has a lot on his plate at the moment.
The Sands outfit, are in the process of developing one of the largest Casinos in Macao.
The cost shall be rather exorbitant. Also,Mr.Adelson's Co. is in the process of an early Redemption of its Sands 11% Mortgage Notes due 2010. Once again, this will cost a pretty penny..
There are so many twists and turns possible, before a clear reading can be made, because of all of the incipient exigencies.
But, when all is said and done, I think that the Ibrox Deal, shall never take place.
By the way, Paul, my favoured ploy in the Negotiation Tango, is to get the opposing party of a Mind that I am an OKIE from Muscogie...
If successful, I am way ahead before the serious put and take arrives.
Superiority breeds Contempt. And Pride Goeth before a Fall.
Vito... Don't mention any of this to You Know Who........Thanks...
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Paul67 et al,
Your article, my dear friend is well thought out and researched.
But and again, this is a great big But----- Your financial foresight is severely hampered by incomplete and downright blatant deception.
This whole ball of wax is in imminent danger of a very messy meltdown.
As you have informed, everything depends on the Political denouement of the impending Casino Legislation.
Thereby lies the rub.
My sources ("And believe me... he does have cogent intelligence in this matter.") added Collie...... tell me that the Bill will go through.
London clubs, as you have pointed out are in the Cat Seat.
Nevertheless , MGM are such a big elephant in this Menagerie, that don't count them out.
I personally think that MGM will come out of it, smiling like the inimitable Jack H.
Sheldon, the other leg on the stool, has a lot on his plate at the moment.
The Sands outfit, are in the process of developing one of the largest Casinos in Macao.
The cost shall be rather exorbitant. Also,Mr.Adelson's Co. is in the process of an early Redemption of its Sands 11% Mortgage Notes due 2010. Once again, this will cost a pretty penny..
There are so many twists and turns possible, before a clear reading can be made, because of all of the incipient exigencies.
But, when all is said and done, I think that the Ibrox Deal, shall never take place.
By the way, Paul, my favoured ploy in the Negotiation Tango, is to get the opposing party of a Mind that I am an OKIE from Muscogie...
If successful, I am way ahead before the serious put and take arrives.
Superiority breeds Contempt. And Pride Goeth before a Fall.
Vito... Don't mention any of this to You Know Who........Thanks...
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Just when you thought Spock had turned up trumps for the Bhoys...
Shocker!! 90min penalty to Hundom.
Who would have thought it????
Is there snow on the roof?
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Some good points but one thing Paul. Who really ever believed that the whole Murray Casino would get off the ground? Even currant buns of my acquaintance were embarassed when this nonsense came to light the first time round.
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Don't know much about finances BUT I do know when we wur robbed (of 2 points).
If it was fiction (a la Roy of the Rovers), you wouldn't believe it.
I think Panorama & Dallas would be the perfect match (no pun intended, and certainly not in the mood I'm in).
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It really gives me the boak to listen to BBC commentary these days. In fact given the Panorama travesty I feel justified in witholding my licence fee.
A 'magnificent defensive performance' apparently by Dundee. You can only be so magnificent getting gubbed 3-0. Reminds me of the Killie game where somehow the name of the game is to stop Celtic scoring goals as opposed to stopping us winning the game.
Looks as though given the last minute pen. at Tynecastle we're going to have to go to ibrox and win by a KO to get the title.
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Thoughts on tonights events:
Unable to make the game at Celtic Park: I meet my Father for a late dinner – Steak Pie and peas at the west end’s Arlington bar on Woodlands Road, decide to take a stop off at my local on the way home from that effort, the venue would be a mixed bar (Montford House – Curtis Ave – Kings Park) usually occupied by the supporters of whose team is playing on Setanta, a worrying thought but the Pint seemed to appealing after listening to my Dad’s building analogy of Martin O’Neils decision of playing two “bulldozers” upfront, without a JCB to pick up the pieces, he should have definitely stayed in football.
The bar is tense but with the exception of a corner of friendly faces from my old school (Holyrood Secondary – just round the corner) I seemed a bit alone even still. The locals know the craic, but a disquiete emerges when Hearts equalize, my friend fails to remain quiete as he was well gone, and of course it doesn’t take them long to take an offence not to hi of course but immediately to my parentage and I am not directly Irish!
Of course I take it in my stride, while I am trying to ascertain exactly why Pyrso has been sent off, I take my attention away from the game to discuss and was interrupted by a familiar late minute penalty cheer!! Hugh Dallas hasgiven it! The supporter who has been staring at me instead of the screen for the last ten minutes, probably has a better idea of the underlying reasons but I have developed a coping mechanism gor these situations over the years!!!
We can become angry and bitter about these things, what we should do is highlight this issue very strongly and continue to support the team, I still believe we have it to win this league and move to the next level. Unlike other years I firmly believe that the League will be won or lost by the managers tactical decisions from now until the end of the season, it’s going to get even more emotional!!!!!!!
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Good reading again with your article Paul. Made me recall my own experience of Las Vegas, beneath all the glitz there was so much vice and other distasteful practices. Back in 1997 there was a Rodeo convention on and the place was full of rednecks dressed in cowboy gear, ('suppose that's more acceptable in Nevada then Govan,) any way, I couldn't beleive these guys were still referring to the black driver on the downtown-strip shuttle bus as a "nigger." Prostitution is another big public attraction after the casinos, (and ancillary entertainments) Didn't someone sing about replacating these 'chicken ranches' in Donegal? Could this be Mr Murray's next money making scheme? I believe the rednecks are already in attendance.
Couldn't attend paradise tonight, wife on nights again and had to babysit mini-me, how did we play? After earlier, post Clyde game discussion any evidence MON has been reading this site?
Severely scunnered with TFOD winner after a former hoop equalised so near the end.
Regards.
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With regards to the Ibrox casino, let me remind you all about another Murray money making scheme.On a vacant peice of ground between Holytown and Newhouse in Lanarkshire,a golf course, hotel,and leisure centre were to be built by David Murray. Planning permission was sought from NLC and was given in principle.Large wooden adverts of the proposed devellopment were erected around the site. A Coatbridge phone number was given allowing people to apply for membership of this exciting new leisure complex. That was 1996, today 2005, the boards are still standing, not one blade of grass has been cut, and the site is in total disrepair. I have been assured by the local authority that they have not done anything to hold up or stop the development. It is all down to David Murray. For golf course and hotel substitute casino and ten years from now people will still have application forms for what is only a bit pie in the sky
Nobody will do Celtic a favour in the run in, we must look after ourselves. we will go to Ibrox and win. During MONs reign we have only lost there three times in five years.
Martin 42
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Still raging after over 4 hours. Not at the Tynecastle scandal; that's an everyweek occurence. For the first time ever, I was angry about team selection.
In the car in to the game, listening to the radio to get the teams, Keevins announces that we are unchanged from Sunday except Laursen replaces Henchoz.
Cue 4 whoops of delight and the anticipation reaches new heights. Juninho deservedly stays in the team, BBJ rested on the bench and we're clearly going for goals. Then the deflation: in fact we're starting the same team that lost to the Huns. Now the mood in the car is that we'll probably win 2-0 in another turgid borefest, and the huns will scrape a dodgy win.
Very hacked off at being proved nearly right. On present form Hartson and Thompson are like being 2 men short. Everybody can see it except MO'N. Seriously starting to wonder.
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Having listened to the game on the radio,it would seem that the assistant referee gave the penalty after Kyrgiakos complained of a Hearts player looking in his general direction.
Was unfortunately listening to Clyde where fat DJ said that "there was pushing but whether that was enough..."
For me,that tells you all you need to know about the decision.Expect many more before this all plays out.....
My mood was very dark for a good half an hour until it hit me that I should really expect it.
Anyway,3-0 for the Hoops.Bobo should be careful,goalscoring form like that could find him a place up front before the end of the season.Looks like we are gonna have to do it the hard way(Celtic Way!!)as usual.
BankieBhoy
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Pujol
The balance of power can quite easily shift in football.You are only ever a bad manager,some bad signings and some bad decicions away from losing your superiority.
In my opinion,it is only bad decisions in team selection that are costing us dear.If we lose the title to this Rangers side then MON should be ashamed.No-one,player,manager or director,is bigger than this football club,but at the moment one or two players seem to be as their performances do not merit inclusion.
Time will tell if these decisions are in our best interests.
BankieBhoy
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BankieBhoy
Dead right, mate.
In the Seville year we lost 3 domestic trophies cause Martin stubbornly played 3 at the back against the Huns. He’s in danger of chucking away the league again through similarly pig-headed behaviour in team selection.
By the way, this favouritism business is a new phenomenon. I recently watched the Juventus 4-3 game on video. Petrov, Thompson and Hartson all on the bench: team included Lubo, and Bobby Petta. Apparently Dundee are worthy of more respect than Juve, because we didn’t get any ball-players on the park tonight.
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Div, Rangers is a privately traded company. They will not be debt free by the end of the year.
Fargo, thanks for your comments. I did not know the background info on Sheldon’s (can I be so informal) forthcoming commitments.
You know what Fargo, I bet you have completed the odd deal where the whole country still things you are the Okie from Miscogie and cannot figure out where the smooth operators went wrong. Does this ring a bell?
Mcgarviebhoy, you had me on the edge of my seat reading that. Maybe you have a novel inside you wanting to get out? I hate watching football in a mixed pub, I’m never quite myself.
Stevie67, I hear such mixed reviews about Las Vegas. Carfin it sure ‘aint, I don’t even think they have a Lourdes Grotto, why do the tourists bother?
Good point Martin 42 about the golf course at Newhouse. Very select membership, none of ‘your type’ allowed obviously.
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For those fortunate enough to be at the game tonight,how exactly did we play?
What little I could get from the radio sugested that Thompson and Hartson were looking "a bit tired".Was this just a polite euphemism for crap as usual?
BankieBhoy
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Sorry - first-time blogger: I've a lot to get off my chest.
Hello all.
I’ve just finished watching Panorama – how good is the Internet? I read the thread of reaction to it a few days ago, so I was expecting it to be a bit tabloidy and sensationalist, but my blood is more or less boiling now. At best, it is a clumsy attempt to lump us both together and to come to the conclusion that Celtic and Rangers are both as bad as each other.
I was going to give the tape to a French bloke at work to watch because I want to explain to him why Celtic is more than a club and why getting beat by Rangers is a humiliation and not just a defeat. But I might give him the E-Tims article instead. Although I’m a bit embarrassed by both.
Maybe Celtic means different things to different people and that’s why it’s hard to find a definition of the club that sums up our own experience of it. But, for me, Celtic is an inclusive Irish Catholic club in Scotland, giving us (or them!) a voice and doing us proud when we most needed it. But we now need that voice less and less. Which doesn’t mean that we should forget it, or be less proud of it, but our proud history is no excuse for bigotry.
One of the reasons I hate Rangers so much is the fact that they are more anti-Celtic than anything else. As soon as Celtic became established, successful, and a voice of a downtrodden (at the time) people, Rangers suddenly reacted, rallying support around the opposite of everything we stood for. We are poor, unemployed immigrants versus We Are The People. We looked back fondly on our Irish history; it was suddenly Rule Britannia from the other side, a Scottish club. I have no respect for what they represent at all.
I say I hate Rangers; I do. I absolutely do not hate Protestants. There is clearly a massive difference. So why retaliate to “Are you watching fenian scum” with “Are you watching Orange scum?” (I recognise that not all Protestants are Orangemen.) But why lower ourselves to their level? Why react? Do we care if they’re watching? Are we doing it for Celtic or for them? Why react with something which Panorama can place alongside a Rangers Nazi salute and imply is equally bad?
We should be standing on the moral high ground here. Years ago, when Celtic would regularly dominate Rangers only to be beaten by a dodgy penalty, my best friend, (fairweather) Rangers fan (thankfully mellowed into exclusively a Liverpool fan) would retaliate with “Who’s top of the league?” and grin. League tables don’t lie, but back then I honestly felt we were playing the better football. Now I cringe as we grind out 1-0 away wins. Rangers aren’t playing the better football this season, but in footballing terms we are now both as bad as each other, two bad lots.
But morally I think our support are angels compared to theirs. No doubt a certain percentage of it is scum, but probably no more than society contains as a whole. And the people who sing pro-IRA songs are scum. And the people who sing the Soldier’s Song are giving ammunition to those who want to find an equivalent to the Billy Boys. Which it isn’t, as the laughable juxtaposition on Panorama shows, - one of them is my national anthem, for God’s sake – but if we stop throwing stones, they can’t throw any back at us.
Just because we have an Irish history doesn’t mean we should be singing the Solider’s Song to wind up the Rangers support. It denigrates it. It gives me a lump in my throat to hear it at Landsdowne Road, but it has no place at Celtic Park, in English. If you want to sing it at Celtic Park, wait until the Republic start playing their home matches there.
They’re up to their knees in fenian blood; we’re singing You’ll Never Walk Alone, scarves held high. They’re grinding out a series of wins; we’re playing the flowing, attractive football that made us famous across Europe. Are we top of the league? Does it matter? We’re playing great football and have a support to be proud of. That’s Celtic.
Astheure.
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Thanks for TFOD info,Here was I thinking it ment The Feckin Orange Dross.Now I understand that,there is a lot less closet bigots than I thought on this site.(no disrespect intended).By the way,can anyone see my point of view on the Panorama sectarian songs issue,Think about it like this,The only way to stop the "rebel" songs being sung in the future at CP is to stop the next generation listening to some of the old "rebel" LPs we all have or have had in the sideboard for years,after all that's how I learned the words and in the West terracing with all the family.To do this would mean taking away part of your Scottish culture or Scottish/Irish culture,then the songs will never be sung and not to sing the songs takes away the vocal part of preserving part of your history,I'd have never have asked "what's a black & tan grampa" if wasn't for the songs,I for one have no interest(well very little)in Irish politics,but must say I like the Irish music which includes the "rebel" songs and I still know most of the words of most songs all these years later,although my father is a Cavan man and I lived in Dublin for a year before moving down under,I can understand the affinity some fans would have with the songs, who have a much more stronger tie with Ireland and Irish parents/grandparents,but I,I see myself as Scottish and a Celtic supporter.Or should that be a Celtic supporter and Scottish?So the common fact is that the songs will never die out in CP or mordor,although having going to CP since a kid and hearing the song,learning the song,singing the song.The feeling of hatred sometimes from both sides has come to mellow over the years and very few "rebel" songs are sung nowadays.The talk of sectarian Scotland is true but not as bad as they say as you all know,Most my friends growing up were "huns"but I got on well enough to drink with them even after beating us many times in the 90's.My point is,YES we do join in when the "rebel" songs get into full flow on the odd ocassion,even a part of the *angers end,whilst singing their tribal chants "up to our knees" etc.,are more than likely to be one of your neighbours,mates who drink down the pub,and will probably bump into them after the game in the pub,mates you grew up with,or just plain *angers supporters who live in your town who you know to look at and say hello,(or even your wife)so no different to us (dare I say!) Of course there are bigots,they are everywhere in life.I wouldn't be the first to admit I hated the hardcore Celtic bigot who drinks in the corner in the same pub.So that "divide" people talk about is not as big as many like you to think,especially the media.Thats my side of the story anyway.
I could talk about the "Establishment" in Scotland but that is another story altogether and where the real bigotry lies.No need to talk about it as everyone knows what goes on through the system.Give you and an example which states the obvious, they can't see the whole story because of their own bigotry.Only in the paper the other week I read that some high up police officer was at council(or court)trying to close down and loose their license "BAR67" on the gallowgate as the patrons were heard singing sectarian songs(probably to drown out the ORANGE WALK which happened to be dragging their nuckles past the bar with a rumpity tumpt tumpt)(ok I'm a bigot now)It made me laugh as that just about sums up Glasgow area in general when it comes to justice.must have read the story half a dozen times and laughed every time,it was funny as the pub stayed open but at least the court or council had the sense to see it for what it was!
Good to finally see many similar views as myself regarding the position of MON and his tactics.(kept to myself until now)
Good to read that as Celtic fans we on a whole know CELTIC is much bigger than MON himself,but he does bring much needed success,in the past and in the LONG term future.
MON is not perfect but I am sure he will continue to grow as a manager over the years.He's not perfect,he has his flaws,but I do think he will get there and get there with CELTIC
Just to ask a question,(if you don't mind Paul)
I'd like to ask anyone if they think that Neil Lennon,although a great servant to the club for the time he has been at CP,should he get another year contract?Is he going to be worth the money he is getting every week from the fans pockets next year at his age (Lambert springs to mind)not a spring chicken anymore.His wages alone could pay for about 6-7 youngsters.The wages of many bench warmers will come in handy in the summer too.
Although I think myself that I would be happy to see him stay as a sqaud player with reduced wage demands.Time for the play makers to come in and change the style of play,time for some of the older players to move on,I think it's time.A HUGE clear out is on the cards in the Summer.
"We're on the one road"
HAIL HAIL
MJ
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The Dundee game was torture! No wingers, no ball players, no skill!
How Martin could watch Hartson, Thompson and Sutton bumble along without eeven twitching to use a sub was beyond everyone. At least the crowd reacting to the Hearts equaliser prompted Bobo to go forward
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nice post Paul, if this is true and Murray makes a fool of himself again what do you think the press will say?? not a thing, I think.
Maybe this will stop some celtic fans slagging of our board of directors. Lets hope they have some good news for us in the next few weeks.
I for one would rather have DD and co in charge rather than Murray and co of our club. If you look at the way the two of them ( DD & Murray) have done in the respected bussinesses over the last five to ten years it says it all, Murray may be a "big bussiness man" in Scotland but thats it,where DD has made his mark world wide (look at the Times rich list)and hope he helps us to improve our world wide standing.
sorry for the rant, but I was living in a roof top garden wounder land there:-):-)
Hail Hail
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Apologies for the multiple posts,it said it wasn't getting connected,so I tried a few times as you can see.
$10 is in a charity box tomorrow for sure.
MJ
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Team needs freshening..where's Pearson?another Healy scenario,perhaps..add Juninho,Wallace,Maloney,some of the 1st team guys e.g Thompson need a rest.The huns are distinctly average,now they have cheating officialdom to help their cause,geez!!!!
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Looking forward to your analysis/dissection of rangers' umbro deal and the 6.5 million a year they'll get from it
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The planning aspect of the casino thing means diddly squich at the mo, as there is a government directive to local authorities to presume in favour of said developments while the gambling bill is on the agenda.
The licence is a different matter altogether.
There will be no casino at the death star for the simple reason that the number of "regional" casinos will be cut to very little if the bill is to be passed and one (if any) in scotland will suffice.
It will therefor have to be on the best possible site which the death star clearly isnt.
Don Corleone told me.
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Astheure
Those were brave and extremely apt comments particularly coming from someone Irish born. I salute you
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