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http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/c/celtic/4453957.stm
For those who havent seen it...
Left messages on strangers answerphones....one from the book of schoolboy's dirty propoganda tricks that...
Surely the end of BQ?
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Why didn’t BQ talk to MON direct about this and go over the figures with him? Why is it that MON doesn’t know the true amount he is spending on wages to players?
Something which has always concerned me is that each year we get comments from MON that he doesn’t know how much he will have to spend on transfer, players contract renewals etc. if this is the case why is it so? Can anyone enlighten me as to whether or not BQ has to step down soon from his position at Celtic.
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Surprised that you should believe without question a Sun report on the run up to an Old Firm game Paul???
If true however i think it rubbishes your claims that there is a large sum of cash for MO'N to spend next season.
Or perhaps the Celtic PR machine may finally do something to encourage the fans and actually spell out the "true" finacial position? Time will tell but I doubt it.
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CM75, for the 100th time, what I have shown Celtic can afford to spend and what Celtic will spend are two different things. I have not said that they will spend hugely, so I have no claims to rubbish. I have shown the wages that will be coming off next year and the amortisation that we will not be charged next year.
I agree with your final point, though, this is the time for the PR machine to roll into action and announce a budget for next season. Excellent point and maybe the best route to recovery.
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An absolute disgrace all round – O’Neil and Quinn should be thoroughly ashamed of themselves. To be caught bickering like schoolboys via the media is a nonsense.
Big club? –Then we should act like it. From top to bottom this club is unprofessional- training ground, Scouting, Ticketing - need I go on!
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We really, really don't need this. A week before the most important game of season and we hand the media a "scandel" on a plate. Absolutely shocking. It smacks of gross ineptitude by all involved. If we fail to win the league a few people will have a lot of explaining to do. Is MON getting his excuses in early?
All the best.
GM
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Romany
They can't publish their budget just now because of too many uncertainties regarding income - eg will they get the revenue or not from a USA tour? Also, I think to do so would not be commercially astute at this stage of the season. I do agree that the MON/BQ spat does not reflect well on either party and is a PR disaster for the club. I fear it is not easily resolved and share the depair.
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Fair enough Paul, but why we wouldn't spend if we have it is beyond me.
Spot on celtic-mas-que-un-club. I can't imagine being more demoralised with the team or Plc whilst top of the league. Perhaps a replacement to BQ or MO'N at the end of the season may freshen things up. We certainly need to take stock of the way things seem to be deterorating on all fronts.
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I don't swallow this story at all. Maybe if Terry Cassidy was in charge - you wouldn't rule it out, but as someone mentioned earlier - the week leading up to the title decider & the tabloids will have a picture of Bellamy in a Bolton Strip or Quinn pouring a can of ginger over a wee boys head outside Parkhead. Meanwhile on the other side of town - 'Gers close in on Rio Ferdinand' or 'Murray takes Homeless man to Harry Ramsdens for his dinner'
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I don't think this disagreement can be patched up. The basic problem is that Quinn's priority is financial stability, whereas Mon is rightly concerned with the team. Unfortunately Quinn's view will prevail and Mon will leave the club this summer. He will be replaced with a manager with less ambition to work within the restraint set by the Board.
No significant investment will be made in the team, the hope is that the young players will start to come though next year.
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So does anyone have any other thought that the loser here will only be Brian Quinn ?
Who does Quinn think the fans will back, Quinn has already been booed off the park, the fans care little for who is on the board or who is chairman, chief exec etc, they care only for the team and the manager.
As an avid reader of the site, its easy to see the split in views appearing on here and clearly echo'd around the stadium its self.
We're at the top of the table we have a good manager, finally a great striker, financially we're in good shape apparantly, yet the we're split and unhappy.
Things are not rosie at Celtic, the need for any type of PR at Celtic has never been more apparant.
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In recent months it has become clear that there is a gap that has developed between Martin O'Neill and Brian Quinn. However the weekends activities off the field may have rendered this relationship irrepairable.
Therefore I would not be surprised in the least if either party offers their resignation by the end of the season.
I don't believe that it is in Quinn's nature to resign, so it could very well be O'Neill that goes. This would be the final straw for many fans who perceive the board as being public enemy number 1.
Strangely enough, I was talking to a couple of mates last week about what disaster would befall Celtic before next weeks game and what amazing feat David Murray had performed at Ibrox. We were expecting some allegation about a players love child or something, not two of the most respected men at the club having a public toys out the pram session.
Incidentally, I await the story that Malcolm Glazer is investing in Rankers and they are set to become a super club with Ronaldo and Shevchenko being their strike force next season. The Scottish Press, don't you just love em on the lead up to an Old Firm match.
As an added note, I saw Brian Quinn at Mass in Wishaw the other week. He put twenty quid in the plate.
BA Connelly
Mossend
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Now while I too would normally be a little sceptical over such stories, the fact that it is now lunch time and there have been no denail's / threats from BQ/Mon and co. doesn't leave me very optimistic, however, Neither have I actually heard this recording on the news so who knows.
Even if they come out now with the Mon got his wires crossed story, that simply is not the point. If you are going to replace model professional's (Henke) with players who have a bigger ego and mouth than Paisley (Camara/Bellamy) then you need to have your own house in order. What will happen on Sunday if with 10 mins to go Mon pull's Bellers off to make a tactical change to protect a lead. And he says somethin about it thats a bit out of order, will mon be able to say anything about it ??????
The principle reason for supporter... concern about the club/board is that general speaking over the past 5 years we fell that as a whole the playing staff have exceeded expectations, whereas, none playing staff (stewards/ticket office/PR) have not.
Only one way this can be turned around by end of week... MON signs new 5 year contract, gets assured of summer money, signs bellamy and has a press conf. with BQ otherwise it'll be speculation till end of season faithful will get restless and you can kiss title goodbye
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We have been lucky enough not to have this kind of split within the club for over 5 years. Not since kenny Dalglish has the club made such a series of PR faux pas.
Now, the Suns story may not be true. A walsall teenager dicovers BQ on her answer machine and immediatende olunca, arabaların ve yayaların kaçışma anını yukarıdan izlemek çok korkutucuydu.. insanlar panik halindeydi daha sonra...
a anını yukarıdan izlemek çok korkutucuydu.. insanlar panik halindeydi daha sonra...
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This is a total disaster. Dermot Desmond should now be stepping in. (If the story in the Sun! is true)
One question though. MON has stated that the players wages would never amount to close to £40m - EVEN IF THAT IS THE TOTAL WAGES FIGURE!
MON knows what the players are getting. He doesnt know what the other staff are getting. If the players wages don't come close to £40m then who is makiing up the balance?
MON himself is on a fair wack. I still get the feeling he KNOWS BQ is talking cobblers. Otherewise why come out in the press and make such a statement? Has MON got backing from someone else within the club?
If we lose on Sunday. How many season tickets will be sold?
How much money is at stake due to the apparent incompetince of these two?
Mon is in a no lose situation. He leaves the club a sacked hero for taking on the board or he stays and Quinn goes. if he stays he knows the club have to spend. lets also remember MON is a share holder.
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Lincoln Green - eh? "work within the restraint set by the Board" is that not in every football managers job description.
A poor situation indeed. Spot on CambuslangisaReality although the story for once did have actual quotes in it - apparently.
A bit of a stupid mistake from Mr Quinn on the back of some irresponsible comments from MON. Some PR sorely required.
I tell you what though. Who would have Mr Quinns job? constanly under pressure to spend money he knows the club doesnt have, and booed by his own support, and trying hard to do a leeds. Torn between the bank griving him grief and the supports giving him grief. Why anyone would want that job I have no idea.
Then there is MON. who gets constant abuse about the way the team plays when we are winning, never mind losing. And there are many on here who are no longer willing to pay to watch the style of football we have been playing this year.
This close season is a pivotal point for Celtic and ONeill. Whether we narrowly win or lose the league it matters not in this context. There are changes afoot, between ONeill, Quinn and half the playing staff, there will be many people moving on.
There are other chief execs (maybe) who might take up such a loser of a job, and there are other very good managers capable of winning the SPL on the budget the board give out.
But with a fan base that is not content with winning the league, and getting into the champs league group stage, there is serious pressure on everyone at the club and that makes people make mistakes. However, the last thing we need is for Quinn to 'do a leeds' and MON to blow it on 5 Juninho's, 4 Hedman's, 3 Camama's, 2 Sylla's, and than give Paul Lambert paid leave for a year.
Hail Hail
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Sorry guys but ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!
It is now less than a week to the most important of the season. The winners of this match WILL ultimately be crowned champions. Only if the match is drawn will the fight realistically go further.
And surprise surprise, the tabloid trash have managed to stir up a storm in a tea cup.
IGNORE THEM.
Celtic's greatest strength is the team unity, most evident when external "defamation" has been targetted at the players (e.g. comments by Blackburn Rovers personnel after the UEFA Cup 1st leg).
So let's treat this attempt by the non-quality press to stir things up in the same way. Let us not be drawn into bickering amongst ourselves and endlessly discussing their unproven allegations. Let's all pull together, fans and players alike, and show them that we really are the best, on and off the pitch. Then use their negativity to spur us on to a great victory at Ipox.
However they try to disrupt us: WE SHALL NOT BE MOVED!
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BQ is talking cobblers,why do most top players end up in the EPL?because the clubs can afford their extravagant wage demands!I'd bet even some Championship teams have significantly bigger wage bills than us.
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I've been pointing out the little Poker game MON & BQ via the media for the last few months,it has been going on long before that though,I could safely say they don't get on and haven't for a while.They are starting to run out of cards.Who has the best hand?I think we will find out in the next few days.
No need to "Sack the Board" "this one & that one" as the papers will say soon enough.
We have to take a step back and look how the "Company" is being run,as pointed out earlier, Ticketing,Car parking,PR,Training facilities,are we heading in the right direction?Yes we have come along way,time to waken up and get into the next gear.
As Paul and others will say,usual media crap coming up to the huns game,true though.It's always been there,the Redtops have been waiting for just the right moment to bring it up(just before the huns game,suprise suprise)They know the right questions to ask in the week before to both BQ & MON then leave them to it.OK I'm paranoid.
The Training facilities are on there way that's for sure.The average age of players should drop soon.
Now's not the time to worry about anything except winning the league,
The board,managers,players(not in that order) come and go,but the fans and the team will always be left standing.We will come together and support the team when they will need US the most and that's until the very end of the last game.
"If UNITED,We will not be defeated"
Your in CELTIC
Cabbage McFlabbergaster
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This is the sound of chickens coming home to roost.
We've all known for some time that something was quite right at CP - now we see the public squabble reflecting the hitherto hidden tension.
They have had their disputes before - but its been amiable (at least publicly). I've always had the impression that MON has been trying to tell us what is going on by his various challenges.
For Quinn to make this error is simply astonishing.
There is now no alternative but for Quinn to go. If MON goes then the board will follow - its as simple as that. If Quinn has any honour I would expect that resignation this afternoon.
Lets take a straw poll - who would you rather see go?
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will you marry me
Signed lubo the magic
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It's all so sudden and how could I marry someone who leaves the question mark off the end of the sentence?
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I don't see why any of this necessitates a resignation from anyone at Celtic. They've disagreed in public. So what? It's not as though MON's been accused of ritual killings or something.
This is something that's easily put behind us unless we have our heads buried in The Sun.
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Don't flatter yourself it was aimed at my hero, who i love, Paul 67 *swoon*
Lubo the magic........
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Does anyone know how BQ could accidentally leave a message on some teenager's phone while attempting to get hold of the Celtic PR director? Presumably he would be in regular contact with the guy and have his number pre-programmed in to his phone. The more I think about it, the stranger it seems. Anyway, Negative Anon, now is not the time for your "I told you so" triumphalism. Leave it 'til the summer.
All the best.
GM
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Thank goodness for that Lubo it would never have work beteewn us anyway not after your leaving the full stop off the end of yor sentence and use a lowercase I.
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"We have a massive game coming up, and Celtic turmoil stories will cast a shadow over the club."
Putting the headline of
Quinn and O'Neill spat throws Celtic into Turmoil
on Newsnow is hardly going to help matters now is it? We can hardly accuse the press of sensationalising when you're throwing around headlines like this?
In fact a quick look at the headlines suggests shows that only you have described the club as being in turmoil.
Get a grip!
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The reason BQ didn't know the PR guy's number is that Celtic have hired an outside agency to "improve" their PR. The guy our chairman was trying to contact is Alex Barr of The Big Partnership. Barr, whose affinities lie with our friends across the city, will no doubt be on a big whack to provide advice and crisis management.
Incidentally, one of his previous fitba briefs was to improve the PR image of Herr Berti Vogts. A right success that was, eh?
Perhaps his Big advice to BQ would be to check who you've phoned before you leave a stupid message.
And to think it was just two weeks ago that Paul said Celtic couldn't spell PR!
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Why would either have to resign? It seems that Quinn has been correct in what he has said but hasn't yet worked out how to use the phone properly. An ex employee doing a bit of pot stirring and MON falling for it? Maybe this is an explanation. Do non playing staff salaries take up a disproportionately high percentage of our total wages in comparison with premiership clubs? I doubt it.
Running any business can be an emotional rollercoaster, a football club would I imagine be twice as bad. MON is obviously feeling a bit sensitive/piqued at the moment, why else would he react to fairly dry financial comments from BQ and restart the old firm penalty rumpus over the weekend. I think something is going on in the background at the moment and this spat is a result of it. Maybe MON is a bit unsettled? Maybe he has read here that he should have £20M in his back pocket this summer, and has been told there is nothing of the sort. MON could have chosen a better time to pick a fight like this, but maybe as the above person says, is he getting his excuses in early?
Hope we don't need any!
The two of them should do a Blair and Brown and make up publicly and move on.
Paul,
I dont know how difficult it would be to find out but what are the comparable wage budgets in the premiership?
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What are the chances that Celtic announce a new deal with Neil Lennon on Thursday / Friday this week, prior to the big match?
KD FfM
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I also found it a bit strange that MON felt the need to contact Jim Hone the ex contracts “fixer” to check on the premiership wage bill. Seems a lot of bother to go to in a point scoring exercise
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Has anyone forgot MON is on a rolling one year contract. If you has 20M to give would you give it to a man who will not pledge his future to the club, i think not. The future manager, whoever or whenever it may be will need to be of a specific style of play to be happy with the team he will inherit. Or would you offer him the money on the basis that he will sign an extended contract, a possibilty. Either way the board must do EVERYTHING within thier powers to keep MON.
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Incredibly stupid, and the PR disaster that follows is 100% self inflicted. MON is not entirely blameless for the public bickering, but Quinn will have to handle this very deftly or his position does become untenable in my opinion. Still nothing on the official site. Presumably this story appeared in the very early additions late last night, so they've had a while to prepare a statement.
If anyone wants to talk football on this thoroughly depressing day, would anyone agree that if MON does insist on playing Sutton out of position, it should be in defence (in place of Balde) rather than midfield. I would prefer to see him upfront but O'Neill will not drop a player who has scored 4 goals in his last 2 games. This illustrates why Big Jock will always be our greatest manager as he made brave decisions like this all the time.
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Paul do you have red hair?
(REDTOP)
It's a blogger website for god sake,and you slag the retard and stun!Have you been listening to too much Radio Snyde with DJ and the motley crew.Time the wife let you out for a beer once in a while,might get you unstuck from the PC.Keep up the good work,mostly good.
Southern Star Sally
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Till I hear the recording of the message i will take it with a pinch of salt. But Celtic's got a PR department? well maybe they should start working for their money (what do yous think)as i can see no good PR coming out of Celtic Park.
PS did the boy how got the message not say he "didn't know who the message was from", but then did he phone the Sun and ask? fishy to me.
Hail Hail
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Lubo, thanks for the smile. Let's keep things platonic, I am pledged to another.
Anon, I may be the only one who regards this as turmoil, apologies if this is the case. I made the call to publish before may others reacted in an attempt to give some balance - two sides to blame, not just the one.
Sitting on the story, or denying it's relevance would have suited my editorial position, but I don't see it that way.
Southern Star, I don’t actually slag the papers or radio station mentioned. They do their job (selling adverts) very well. Red/brown, thanks for asking.
Stepjam, Our wage bill for last season was £40million, which is more than most of the bottom half of the Premiership will turnover.
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I have stated before and I will state again CELTIC need to offload the following
sylla
fernandez
valgaren
laursen
junhinho
lambert
thompson
poss lennon
I add to that list
BRIAN QUINN.
Either we are a big club or we hope to be seen as a big club. Wheeling out a guy who resembles an elderly gardner from the local allotment club does not cut it.
Quinn was booed at the irish supporters do, u have to ask yourself why. Quinn was booed at parkhead in front of our spanish visitors, u have to ask yourself why.
MON brought the bigotry situ to the fore when he put his arms around lennon. MON has brought the pish that the board expect us to believe there is no money. AS paul has stated on several occasions we have the facility for the cash , so we do have the money.
In my opinion Dermott has little or no interest in football he has stated so himself, he loves the gaelic game. Quinn his is lapdog and to my view is well past his sell by date.
MON is not just a manager for celtic he is a modern day hero, who is not afraid to speak his miind regarding bigotry and the spin coming from quinns mouth and it is spin. If you asked me who I would trust the most between Blair, Howard, and the pisshead in the yellow lol, and Quinn, I would be hard pushed to say. I have had personal experience of MON he is an honourble man whose humility knows no bounds. Brian Quinn bah humbug.
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Ps I do however agree the story could be a load of mince. It would be no surprise though if it was not true.
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Paul,
Have to agree that this is one of your more 'sensational' headlines. Does it do us more harm that good? MON is nothing if not shrewd.All of the team's best performances come when they are 'criticised'. The implication-whether correct or not-from Quinn is that these players are overpaid.
MON has placed himself alongside his players and in doing so is able to ask them for one more big performance.
Yes there are other issues between Quinn and MON. The problem for Quinn is that MON carries 90%+ of the support. It's a no-contest. MON is in a position to force the board's hand re spending in the summer. They can't deny him funds and then take the 'prudence' argument this time.MON knows that money is available. If they don't open up the purse strings then MON will go imo.And the board can't afford to let that happen with MON citing that as the reason.
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I will take MON leaving anyday before BQ. Somepeole here are just blind to facts. Our accounts show that our Wage versis TO ratio is too high. As for MON leaving, don't make me laugh. Instead of the general statement about "he will leave", can someone maybe suggest where he will go? MAN U not a hope, Arsenal -no chance. Has anyone really looked at PL managers that are in the same wage bracket as MON (salary + package)- not many. Can he go to Europe - his style of football means that not many leages would entertain him , possibly German leaugue but then again there is no money left in Germany.
We know that we have a players wage bill far in excess of Rangers by at least 25% and yet we are not guaranteed of beating them on Sunday. We were cuffed by Hearts and scared stiff by Aberdeen not to mention Motherwell. These teams are not exactly spending millions on players. If they are getting more for their money then it comes down to the Manager. We could maybe complain about not doing well in Europe because AC Milan are high spenders but we can't even seem to take care of teams which are earning an average of £300 per week in our back yard. I am fed up of people shouting about giving MON money to spend. How much have Arsenal spend in the last two years. How much did Mowbray spend to get an attacking and flair team on the park? How much is Alex spending over at Ibrox. How good is this Celtic team based on what we are paying these players? Lets forget that we are fans and be objective. Are we getting value for money? They earn about 10 to 15 times the average wage of a player in motherwell so I would expect them to be about 10-15 times better than players at Motherwell, Aberdeen Hearts etc. Do anyone really believe that we are that far ahead of these teams yet the wages of one of our top earners will pay for about 3 months cost of running any other SPL team bar Rangers.
MOM has a way of being economic with the truth, he may not have bought players in two years but he gave qhite a few enhanced wages and all these are part of the wage cost. If MON is really so strapped for cashh to spend on players why did he saction paying Lambert over £1 mill per year so that he could spend his time in Germany. I am sure that money could have payed the wages of a decent player.
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My cat has disappeared. Can you help me find him? His name is Alan.
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Sorry, there is no pussy on this site.
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I think I have sussed it. There is a voice over specialist called Brian Quinn.
http://brianquinn.voice123.com/
Do you think he might be moonlighting?
On a serious note it doesn't matter how good your PR is, it's more important to think BEFORE opening your mouth. That goes for BQ & MON too.
Does anybody else think this may be a ploy to lull TFOD into a false sense of security and distract THEM from the job? or is it just wishful thinking on my part?
HT - damn this blogger log-in.
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From the offical site -
No rift over salary bill
Newsroom Staff
CELTIC plc chairman Brian Quinn and manager, Martin O’Neill, today laughed off newspaper claims of a rift between the pair over Celtic’s annual salary bill.
Celtic Chairman Brian Quinn said: “When you reach my age it’s perhaps advisable to steer clear of new-fangled devices like mobile phones!
“I’ve had a chat with Martin and I’ll take him through the salary bill with the help of a bottle of wine and my abacus.”
Martin O’Neill said: “As I said last week, there is absolutely no friction between myself and the chairman or the board, in fact I actually find the whole incident quite amusing.”
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Poetic Champions
Glad to hear it.Seems like a large proportion of the support have fallen for this complete non-story.I thought you told us to ignore the red tops Paul!!!
It was only to be expected before an Old Firm game.I look forward to the Suns' comments on this "story" and where it really came from.
BankieBhoy
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Good to see the PR department has at least convinced you bankiebhoy.
As there has been no denial the Sun obviously got it right...(its not often you say that)...
Im still a bit concerned to be honest.
Why is BQ using the words; "our esteemed manager" to speak about Martin to an external person. Sounds like he is a little bit sick of him...
Why hasn't BQ offered to sit down with Martin with an abacus and bottle of wine up until now
"Im not letting him brand me a liar"..... tells me the working relationship isnt exactly rosy...
Peter lawell is interviewed tomorrow by the Beeb so I'm sure we will get more of the old pals act tomorrow...
Something is fundamentally wrong at Board level....
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What a shambles.
I have heard the message that Brian Quinn left on the mobile and I have to say that it sounds 100% genuine to my ear.
How we could shoot ourselves in the foot like this is beyond me.
It is bad enough when the tabloids are running all sorts of nonsense on the lead up to a huge game in order to unsettle us without our Chairman helping them and writing the story for them.
I cant believe this has happened.
I now firmly believe that MON will be off to pastures new at the first suitable opportunity and if this happens then God help Quinn and the rest of the board.
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Come on guys, regardless of who is to blame and whos dad is bigger than the other, we have to accept that both MON and BQ are not in their respective jobs because they are stupid.
Like it or not, both are extremely talented in their own right and I would expect, as in any business, that compromises are made between them on a daily basis.
I don't see what the problem is, interims and accounts are published and the information regarding salaries is in the public domain. (Companies House for a £1 Paul?).
Lets be thankful regarding the message, if it was me, it may have been stronger and a little more personal...:-)
Strength comes from within, if anyone believes that this will knock Celtic before Sundays game, then they are mistaken. If it does have an adverse effect, then the individuals effected need to leave the club bloody quickly.
If a professional cannot prepare for a game like this because of a minor disagreement, they are no use to us. The only ones suffering this week will be the supporters, who will be getting ripped on a daily basis. As I've said before, put some trust in our players and coaches.
I am sure they both agree on one thing, the development of Celtic and creating a successful club is the only aim. They don't necessarily need to agree on how to do it, again as most Board members of any Company will tell you, this is normal.
Its all about opinions and compromise!!!
Finally, everyone needs to calm down, obviously the 'redtops' will be focussing on the BBC apologising for the sectarian singing at East End yesterday...it must have at least another week to run on that story ... no?.......
ok I'll get my coat
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rumoid
I haven't been fooled mate.Just a flippant response before my dinner!!!I mentioned in a post last night that I could see a problem developing between the two,this has been the case for a while and especially for me since BQ's comments after the half-term results.They are both culpable on this occassion but the story has simply been sensationalised to sell papers.
There is a difference of opinion on player wages but I can only see a parting of the ways IF they do not see eye to eye over player sales to fund player acquisitions and the transfer budget is small for next season.I honestly believe that MON could do more to generate his own money for transfers and I think the board are beginning to feel that too.
Also,if this site is anything to go by,then there is a deep-seated apathy towards our "style" of play this year.If this results in fewer bums on seats then MON will have to take his fair share of responsibility for that.It is a results business but most of the best teams achieve both style and substance.Another season of this years performances could be a catalyst for change too.
BankieBhoy
P.S. Where is Co Adriaanse going when he leaves AZ Alkmaar this summer?
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At last. I've got myself sorted with a computer at home and can chuck in my tuppence worth.
No self respecting Celtic fan should be reading the Sun OR The Daily Rangers so we should all be in blissful ignorance of any of the crap they print.
The paper's job is to sell papers. In this country that means Celtic bashing stories are the order ofthe day. Yes there is the odd hun bash but only when they really go beyond the pale and certainly not in the week leading up to a crunch game.
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Hope you enjoyed your dinner bankiebhoy...
I think you could be wrong though..
I think BQ will be off at the end of this season (with a big fat cheque in his hipper of course). Then he can sit down with his wine and abacus.....
I think he has been booed by the celtic fans one too many times and hes taking the cream puff with MON...
No idea where Adriannse is going btw. Did MON not put one over on him already though?
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Tmmy7
This one made it to the BEEB thats where I picked it up...
The truth is is happended...No denials have been issued!!
Take away the sensationalism and you still have a very bad thing going on...
How many professional boards out there bitch to there external PR department about a member of staff?
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rammiebhoy
Totally agree.This story should have no bearing on what happens on the field on Sunday.If we lose on Sunday and ultimately the Championship is lost,it won't be this result that caused it but more a series of poor performances throughout the season.
However,I believe we have enough in our locker to tie things up on Sunday.If we can do that,we then need to look forward to next season and identify what we need to improve our CL challenge.And handing MON a blank cheque book is not the answer.
BankieBhoy
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to quote John Lydon...
"...blind acceptance is a sign, of stupid fools who stand in line..."
This may get me shot down in flames but, IF MON went, would it be such a bad thing? It has been commented on in many different forums that perhaps he has taken the club as far as he can. It has been highlighted here recently that he will always be the SECOND greatest manager we've ever had (despite have the greatest player) because he is too loyal to his "boys". Can't make the hard decisions. Actually appeared to PANIC against Hearts (a sub in the first half? It's only recently he's started using them at all!) And now this nonsense.
The chairman may go and not be mourned, but I think it could be more hurtful if he went than if MON goes. The guy IS fallible. And we are now in a position to replace him with a manager of quality. No longer the Barnes/Macari's of this world. Co Adrrianse or as an outsider, what about Le Guen? We've seen at close hand how good his team can play. Obviously we are in a position of strength BECAUSE of what MON has brought to the club, but that should not stop us from judging him on current standards.
Of course they could kiss and make up, inspire the team to a victory on Sunday and a triumphant assault on Europe next season.
Hail Hail
Georgiebhoy
ps Paul - I am working on a comparison of EPL season ticket prices against ours (if we are going to play there, we probably should know what we are going to pay!! ;-) ) I'll get it too you when I'm happy with it, and you can do with it what you will.
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rumoid
You are right that MON put one over on Adriaanse previously.He has now taken an unfashionable Dutch club to the UEFA Cup semis playing attractive passing football on a fraction of MON's budget.If he wins it(a BIG if I know!!)where would this rank with MON's achievement of getting us there?Would it make him the better manager?
Not necessarily,but the point I am making is that so often you hear fans say who would replace MON if he left.There are options if he decides to go.That said,if he can sort the team out I would prefer to see him stay.We shouldn't be afraid of change though.There are guys out there who would jump at the chance of doing this job with the budget MON has.
BankieBhoy
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On the subject of Dutch managers, when MON was appointed, it was between MON and Guus Hiddink. Considering that Hiddink has just taken his team to the European Cup semi, on what I would imagine is a smaller wage bill that MON has, was the best manager in a generation, the best choice?
Kevin
Armadale
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Georgieboy
You'd need a flak jacket for saying that on other sites but not on this one!!
The board would be very reluctant to get rid of MON unless there was a fundamental difference of opinion on how the club needed to move forward.The current situation with BQ and MON suggests there are differences of opinion but whether they are big enough to force MON to go I don't know.
We do need changes to the squad and style of play and MON needs to prove to us that he is capable of making those changes.Some of the people currently backing him would soon change their mind on the back of a couple of Championship losses(God forbid).But I agree,on the salary he gets and with the budget he has,a lot of top managers would be desparate for this job.
BankieBhoy
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Cheers, Bankiebhoy.
Here is a question (or two)
How do MON and BQ interact? What level of contact do they have with each other? How much contact do they have to have, to do their jobs. Presumably Peter Lawell would deal with MON on a day to day basis, whilst, effectively, BQ would authorise the big cheques and the breaking of good news.
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Kevin
MON was definitely the best choice.I don't think Hiddink could have dragged us off our shoelaces the way MON did.But now we have reached a stage where we need to kick on again and reach another level.I believe MON needs to be given the opportunity to do it but he may not be the man to take us there.
If that is the case,then we should not shrink away from making a difficult decision and bringing smeone else in.I would love to see us take part in a CL final some day but we will NEVER do it with our current style of play.If MON can't do it then someone else must.
BankieBhoy
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Paul67 et al,
Gotcha Dear Bhoys!!!
Lotsa Love,
Rory Invergordon
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Rumoid,
where and when is the Peter Lawwell interview tomorrow? I would like to hear it.
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Celtic manager at odds with those within. Heard this story before ?
Vim Vs Jock. The dressing room stood behing their manager,grew even closer and more determined to win.
As long as the players go out and justify the £30-40 million.
Whatever!
At this point a storm in a tea cup, win the league and all is forgotten
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Madmurph
According to this evenings news reports Peter lawell is due to be interviewed by either the scottish Beeb or SMG tomorrow(sorry can't rememeber which)...don't expect too much...
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LoyBhoy
Remember the story well.I also remember what happened to that particular manager.
BankieBhoy
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This conundrum is the result of two things. The first is the unfortunate inability of BQ to leave a voice message on the correct phone. The second is based on the classic "us" vs. "them" lockerroom motivation. MON is very astute and has studied the tactics of coaches in other sports and I'm sure that he has seen this strategy successfully used by other coaches. Phil Jackson coached the Chicago Bulls basketball team to 6 NBA titles using a similar approach. (It also helps to have Michael Jordan). Mike Ditka coached the Chicago Bears to a Super Bowl victory using the same approach. The coach/manager gets the team to believe that nobody wants them to win and that they must "do it" for themselves. Management is cheap, the fans are idiots, the league and the referees are against us. This is a tried a true approach and it seems to be what is going on with the club. If it results in a win vs. Rangers then I'm all for it.
Hail Hail!
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Rumoid this is perhaps the finest PR every to come out of Celtic Park. Well done to those responsible, pity they has such poor tools to work with.
Good to hear your pick-me-up rammiebhoy.
Thanks Georgiebhoy, look forward to hearing from you.
Ah Rory, good to hear from you (again). Gotcha indeed! Time for some robust forward planning – I have a good one coming out tomorrow, right up your street!
Kevin, Guus has proven to be an excellent manager, but you have got to love Martin O’Neill. He is instinctively that manager you would like to be yourself.
I hope you are right Honeybhoy.
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Why does this sort of garbage ALWAYS happen to Celtic, especially before a big match?
Now, I'm extremely skeptical of what's printed in these tacky rags, but on this occasion, direct quotes DO appear to have been made, which leads you to believe, it's regrettably true.
Both parties have issued statements, BQ saying he needs to learn how to use new fangled equipment like mobile phones (!) and that he intends sitting down with MON to share a bottle of Buckie and a mess about with a calculator (watch out Brian, they're not that long invented). MON says he finds it all very amusing. Well I'm sure most of the supporters don't, Martin.
It always seems to be constant bickering inside Celtic Park. You'd think with a double to be won in the next few weeks, they'd keep a lid on this stuff, at least until the season's end.
It's nothing new either; in-fighting has been the case regardless who has ran the club since it was formed.
Don't get me wrong, I know people at work sometimes don't see eye to eye, and I for one can't say I've never had words with gaffers. I think most people are the same. Just get a grip, and stop giving us a brasser.
Kevin from Armadale...if you don't mind me asking, what's your occupation?
Paul...is that you bidding 175 smackers on eBay for a ticket for Sunday, using an alter ego? Seriously though, there's a female on there too, selling two Broomloan Road tickets for £510. To think we recently took the moral high ground by slagging our rivals for doing this very thing.
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I think the moral of this story is that if you are in such a publicly scrutinised position as BQ or MON, your telephone messages should state no more than "Phone me back ASAP please".
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Paul67,
It was mentioned on the ITV news tonight that Celtic's wage bill for playing staff is £21m but £40m for all staff. If this is correct then....
1. MON is correct in his assertion that we don't pay out anywhere near the £40m that BQ keeps quoting for players wages.
2. Who are we paying £19m in wages to?
Can you shed any light on the above figures?
Vintimtim
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BankieBhoy true Vim did leave but he had a track record of leaving due to a principle where as MON has a track record of staying beacause of his princples. Both very admirable qualities but lead to very different outcomes (I hope).
HoneyBhoy point well made but you didn't have to venture so far afield to find examples of such strategists. There was none better than Big Jock himself and Fergie learned it from him. MON is just following a well trodden path, so far to great effect.
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Well said, Rammiebhoy (7.35). At last a sensible perspective on what has gone on. I wont even bother to elaborate, your post said it all.
Liam H
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Lotbhoy (11.29) I'll think you'll find that MoN left Norwich PDQ on a matter of principle...the board had promidsed him a tranfer budget upon which they subsequently reneged..exit MoN, stage left. A great manager (no, not perfect) and a principled man. We are lucky to have him.
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Sorry Honeybhoy but I dont buy the tag team concept of coach/owner. This would mean that MON and BQ actually sat down together and planned a strategy then followed it through as a tag team.
The 2 of them blew it, simple as that.
I do however wonder that it's unhealthy that a part time Chairman of the Board is so involved in the day to day running of the club. Says it all when BQ make his call to the PR rep when he should have called the Chief Executive, Peter Lawell. BQ has too much influence and is in the spotlight too much. Suggest they rewrite PL's job description to match his title. Then BQ can fade into the background and be as prominent publicly as his role should be.
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let's face it...
there's only one person that matters here. desmond. if their differences are unresolvable, then one will go and one will stay. if they're easily resolved, then what's the point blowing hot air about it.
assuming they are banging heads together, who does desmond chuck out?
quinn on a salary of sweeties, and thus compensation of sweeties, or o'neill who, despite his rolling contract, would still cost a years worth of a fair wedge, and would have to be replaced, possibly with compensation due, certainly with a transfer budget made available, and no guarantee of success.
one who gets booed by the fans, one who gets idolised by the fans.
maybe it's not that clear th
