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Caught us cold there, Paul
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me first?
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anything for 3rd
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What Celtic are hoping for here is that the smaller English clubs will begin to make some empty threats to the bigger clubs. Then the split will emerge.
From there, it's a case of: Here are the terms. Accept them, and you're in. If not, hit da road.
Hopefully, by then Celtic will be miles in front of the rest of the SPL. My dearest wish would be to leave them behind (sorry, Ed).
With Murray steering Rangers towards oblivion, I may yet get my wish.
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Geez Paul - Gonnae give me a break? Just about every time I post you start a new thread! Anyway although it is not related to the current thread I thought CQNers might be interested in a neutral point of view from Saturday's game:
As others see us:
Just back in from a fantastic weekend in Tuscany and have spent the evening catching up on the posts.
Anyway I watched the game with a couple of neutral Italians and their view was that they were surprised by the intelligence in Celtic's play (they were expecting 90 mph stuff) but that in the first half a decent European team would have scored 1 or 2 against us. They also thought Nakamura's booking was a joke (considering Steven Thompson wasn't booked) and that it was a referee trying to balance out the bookings in a derby match to show that he had not favoured either side. My Italian friends also thought we should have had a penalty at the end when Hartson was pulled down.
And the one player they raved about? Guys who watch the likes of Totti, Shevchenko and Del Piero on their televisions every week?
Aiden McGeady.
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Young Aidens a major talent of that I have no doubt, but I always feared that he'd end up with that old curse of the winger and fall out the game. Well impressed on Saturday, the bhoy seems to have filled out a bit and has more of an edge about him than I had previously seen, whether thats down to the goading that the lads suffered over his international committments, who knows, but he's certainly no Regi Blinkered!
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Hi Paul,
I know this has probably been asked before, but if invited into another league, do teams have any legal obligation to the SPL in terms of notice or financial compensation in lieu of notice? Sorry the rest of my post is off topic but it's in answer to some late postings on the last thread.
Kojo 11.44 :- Intelligent advice is always welcome and one of the attractions this site holds for me is the variety of outlooks. While I wouldn't, or more probably couldn't use the same words as you sadly I find nothing I can disagree with in the points you make, Like any good paper there is nothing in it that can't be backed by fact.
PeatBlog 12.09 I have to agree on your point referring to the differing reputations involved with Mr Smith and Mr O'Neil, apart from the European run I would say that Mr O'Neil rebuilt a bad team, Mr Smith took over an established team. Strangely I feel they both had one fault in common, they held on to a team a year too long.
Noel 90 :- A strange way of thinking on it lol, in my lifetime I think I would go for Mr D White
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congratulations to big Johnbhoy-
1st post-well done sir.
I,m just reposting 'gavilguys post from the last thread because it does,nt deserve to be missed.
David Murray
I met a traveller in the Jock Stein Stand
Who said -- "two vast and trunkless legs of stone
Stand in Edmiston Drive ... near them, on the sand,
Half sunk a shattered visage lies, whose frown,
And wrinkled lips, and sneer of cold command,
Tell that its sculptor well those passions read
Which yet survive, stamped on these lifeless things,
The hand that mocked them, and the heart that fed;
And on the pedestal these words appear:
My name is David Murray, King of Spin,
Look on my Works ye Mighty, and despair!
Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
Of that colossal Wreck, boundless and bare
The lone and level sands stretch far away." --
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To those who have recently pointed out that the recent victories against Rangers have been somewhat hollow or empty compared to other victories. I just want to say this: I get great satisfaction from knowing how the Rangers supports are feeling. The chariman, players and staff too.
My brother mentioned to me on Saturday how he feels a greater 'low' after being beaten by them than a 'high' when we are victorious. I told him to imagine how they are feeling right now and he admitted that it helped him enjoy it more.
I may been seen as a masochist but just to quote Barry Ferguson today: "This is the lowest time of my football career. I have never felt more down than this." Now, don't that make you feel good?!
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Interesting piece which confirms many views expressed here a few weeks ago about falling attendances in the EPL. They are at at a crossroads yes...But which road will be travelled...?
I think where we will be in three to five years will be is the hands of the ghods...No..not under the SFA for sure...Personally I view the theatre of Europe as more likely than the EPL...I have posted before about the current challenge to Uefa (& ergo FIFA) in the European Courts by the G14...A challenge which has the potential to be an earthquake under Uefa and make Bosman look like a parking ticket...
Regarding Mr Glazer....There is another factor which should be considered...Pull back for wider context...The future of the US economy....I know..I know...It is an expensive hypothesis...but he might just be flitting! The future is the US of Europe and the Euro...( Oh and of course China)...not the pound and the dollar....That is how is see it anyway...
Celtic are on course for being perfectly positioned to take advantage of whatever the ghods throw up over the next three to five years....The wafer thin mint is perfectly positioned to take advantage of what the Scottish media throw up over the next three to five weeks...
Interesting times indeed...
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Teddy Bear From previous thread. Things are moving too fast for the elderly.
Teddy
I find it strange that Davy White is bottom of your list, when you have John Greig as an ex manager.
I well remember a 1968 game at CP where a D White side took us apart winning 4-2. In fact I think the only time we beat you that 68 69 season was in the cup final. Unfortunately I don't think Davie survived that defeat.
pjbhoynyc
My memory of the latest USA GDP is that it is rising at around 3.5% per annum, considerably better than european growth with the possible exception of the Irish Republic. I believe Glazer saw a worldwide brand and thought he could cash in and make big bucks. He seems to have underestimated the resistance to change things on the european front and the interference of various european regulatory bodies who do not follow the lasissez faire principles of large corporations here in the land of the free.
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The EPL is simply getting to the point where the cream has risen and won't sink. In any competition given current models in practice with regard to money and players this is inevitable.
The most competitive and viable model is that of the US and their sports, particularly the NFL. Any European league would inevitably become stagnant also unless structured as such. Competition law would simply have to be put to one side.
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Sir Paul,
As you darn well know, the BOSS has always MAINTAINED, that the Television RIGHTS of A SOCCER CLUB.... are , well...... JUST THAT!
They should be as JEALOUSLY GUARDED, just the same as INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY....
That being said.... It follows that TELEVISION RIGHTS SHOULD BE...... Individually NEGOTIATED! not.... EN MASSE!
GRANT UNTO CAESAR what is CAESAR'S!
Mr. GLAZER will present these facts, in his attack on the PRESENT TELEVISION DISTRIBUTION SYSTE,........
Which,as every body knows..... is BADLY DISTORTED....in that CLUBS, who have very little T.V. DRAWING POWER, are OBSCENELY REWARDED,at the EXPENSE of the TRUE BENEFICIARIES OF THE TELEVISION ADVERTISING LARGESS......The Clubs with a large Public Following!
Mr.GLAZER and by EXTENSION......TEAMS that ATTRACT THE BULK of the TELEVISION VIEWERS, will ULTIMATELY be the POWER BROKERS in Future TELEVISION RIGHTS.
There is no room in the MODERN AGE for SITUATIONS where the TAIL is WAGGING the DOG.....as what is really......in a NUTSHELL happening, today!
Celtic, by right of its GLOBAL and INTRA- National Popularity, will be obviously a very welcome participant in The COMING BATTLE over T.V. RIGHTS.
In Mr.GLAZER, CELTIC will find A very INFLUENTIAL ALLY, in the new more fair proposals,for the T.V. ADVERTISING POUNDS.
Celtic, by DINT of their Vast PUBLIC DRAWING POWER..... will be a very welcome addition to the coming NEW SOCCER LEAGUE STRUCTURE....
It is COMING.....MAKE NO MISTAKE ABOUT THAT~
And GLASGOW CELTIC WILL BE THERE!
Hail! Hail!
Kojo.
And I am going to.....
The BROWN DERBY.
G'NITE!
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Channel 67 TV2 showing the CL Final. Inter have just scored from a penalty, but I have a good feeling about the eventual outcome.
We shall not be moved ringing out loudly. Celtic attacking constantly. Updates to follow.
Dementia can't dim the memories
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Question....if a player was racially abused at a game in Scotland, would the SFA investigate?
Football Association officials will write to both Tottenham and West Ham asking for their observations concerning the nature of the chants directed towards Mido in Sunday's clash.
The player, who scored Spurs' only goal in a 1-1 draw against the Hammers on Sunday, was racially taunted by sections of the visiting support.
An official FA spokesman said: "We want to build up a complete picture of events and how disturbing they might have been. We need to see what the clubs have to say about them."
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Hi there
For years, I have had to endure the comment that the SPL is just a 2 horse race. Celtic, and Rankers.
Oh how the times have changed. I can now quip that the EPL is simply a one horse race. Chelsea. Not that I like Chelsea. I can't stand them.
On the growing division within the EPL though, it does make me wonder if the top teams like Chelsea, Man Utd, Liverpool really have the EPL in their future.
Whose to say that they aren't looking towards a European league of some description. The EPL as it stands, is suffering massive losses in attendance. The next TV deal will probably be worth less than the current one.
If you are a certain Mr Abramovich, or Mr Glazer, you ain't in football for the love of the sport. It's money, money, money.
Ultimately, the television companies will be looking to maximze their profits. I'm not saying that a European league will hapen in the next 5 minutes, or even the next 5 years. But you can't help get the feeling that this is where football may be heading.
If that's the case, Celtic should be banging on the right doors, right now.
I heard an English football commentator make the comment the other day that Celtic are probably on a par with Blackburn in terms of playing ability. I'd like to think we are at least at that level, if not a wee bit better. However, if we had the same sort of television revenue that Blackburn enjoy, can you imagine the buying capacity we would have? We would be way ahead of the Blackburns of this world.
There has been a lot of debate about the Old Firm joining the EPL. Wether English clubs would welcome us. And prats like Paul Merson (possibly the former Arsenal, and Aston Villa player) writing for a certain Midlands based website who can't understand what Celtic would gain from such a move - He was never the sharpest tool in the box. But it does make me wonder if the future is really the EPL, or we should be looking even further up the food chain.
Hail Hail
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Hi there all,
Firstly could I just thank all of you for your good wishes and acknowledgements following my unfortunate encounter on Saturday evening.
The bruises are healing well and to be honest have lent a certain pioneering ruggedness to my features which has brought with it a completely unexpected side effect and benefit.
Unable to tend to my once a fine dark strong growth of manly beard, it has quickly exploded and matted in dry blood leaving me as a shocking grey, wild faced, mad-eyed Northern Hemispheric cousin of the Tasmanian Devil.
The benefit of this came home to roost today when on offering a few bob to one of Glasgow’s fastest expanding industrial force – the beggar – my largesse was rejected and I was told to hold on to my cash with the words:
‘yer obviously mair in need o’ it than ah um big man
My mouth and cheeks are still aching a bit, but as my sainted Mother used to repeatedly tell me
“Where there’s no sense, there’s no feeling”
and anyway that is probably less from my wee bit of trouble and much more from the strain of a permanently set grin!
I suppose that it was inevitable that, introspective and self critical as we are as a support we would eventually get round to doubting our own strengths as footballing force and pessimistically view our successes in terms of others failings!
Some of us will take the optimistic view that in fact Rangers are not as intrinsically bad as some think, but rather that we have significantly improved along with the capabilities organisation, style, and adventure of a number of other clubs in Scotland.Hearts, Hibs, Kilmarnock, Motherwell, and Falkirk spring immediately to mind.
Others will take the pessimistic view that while we have undoubtedly improved since that stark July evening and our scalding experience of a naïve tactics, confusion of personnel, and wasted opportunities and possession, we are no more than scraping our way back to a basecamp of ambition where the slopes of the European challenge adopt the magnitude of a man scaling Everest dressed in jeans trainers, using a Lonely Planet guide to the Himalayas!
The pendulum of my own emotions tends towards the optimistic, but I will not argue too vehemently with the champions of the more pessimistic camp, purely because real hard evidence to the bolster either wing of the debate is in extremely short supply.
The problem that we as a support and GS and the players as a team have, is how do we get the evidence, how do we breed the confidence, and how do we bridge the gap between the potential that we might only be leaders of a pack of fairly mangy mongrels and the desire that we can strut our stuff in a Crufts parade of European Pedigree.
Surely what we must avoid is the scenario whereby we win the League, but only then start the learning curve of how to play home and away against the latter day Johnny come lately pretenders to the throne of Celtic ascendancy! (OK OK That may have been a bit over the top and supremacist, but once I started typing I found myself and my mind being suffused with a Bush and Blair hallucinatory delusion of grandeur – My god they are dangerous but that’s for another time and another blog)!
Remember our previous attempts to win or even get a point away; remember our confusion on how to play Ajax at home after winning 3-1 out there; remember our profligacy at Anderlecht, Bayern Munich, Lyon, Rosenburg and Donetsk;remember our seemingly timid attitude in some of our home games on the road to Seville only for the lessons to be taken on board and our alter ego of aggressive creative imaginative and penetrating teamwork to carry the day in places like Stuttgart, Vigo, Ewood park and Anfield.
Martin, John and Steve learned but not always the easy way; remember the depression that was Basle before the stone was rolled away and the Celtic resurrection got onto full flow!
I believe that the mist of doubt has to be cleared now. When we enter the portals of the champions league next season (I accept that it is not certain but allow me that assumption please), we must not only be aware of the pace and strengths of our potential opponents but also that we have proven our capabilities in playing against them. Even more importantly we must be sure that we can inflict real sporting damage and that were the ones that carry the weapon of surprise.
I know that our work in progress will have advanced. But I also know that unless we adopt a well thought strategy of comparing and contrasting our own capabilities against the leading teams and tacticians of European football there will always be not just a chance but a real likelihood of major disappointment.
The coming 18months is possibly the best chance in many years for the most sustainable path to be taken as we approach what I believe is a critical fork in the road ahead. Rather than the financial profile having the decisive influence, our place in the Scottish football, a potentially revamped premiership, and the almost certain restructuring of European football will be dictated by the success of our strategy in being ready for Europe next year.
At the core of all this are the decisions that have to be taken on who should stay, who should go, and who we need to (and can afford to) bring in. Those decisions must be taken on hard evidence that they will have a beneficial impact on Celtic’s success in Europe.
Any other basis is no more than playing Russian roulette with our club and the emotional well-being of every one of us.
By the way, I don’t pretend to know the answers to this one (but I bet all of you do), but I’m almost certain that it is stretching the minds of the Managerial and Coaching staff at Paradise.
So how do we prepare this season for Europe next season in a way that will test our players, educate our management, and entertain we supporters? Just what is our strategy to generate real faith and sustainable vitality in the knowledge that we are good enough to once more venture beyond these shores, cross swords with Barca or Lyon, Porto or Madrid, Chelsea or Arsenal, and come away in a triumph of skills and reputation with certainly many more points, hopefully the reward of a prize or two but most definitely with the resonant accolades of pride in our team, our fans, and the echoes of welcome from new friends in new places?
Hail Hail
Estadio
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Hello fellow Celts,agree with bhoy in england,we get all the games on fox sports here, the middlesborugh game on sunday the stadium looked half empty,besides the biggar clubs their seems to be loads of empty seats, ..same thing with the champions league games on espn novelty wearing off?
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Oregonbhoy
Re - St Gs
Sorry took so long to reply been caught up in paul,s new thread maelstrom. Moved stateside myself so couple of years since set eyes on the old edifice but funnily enough rented dvd out recently called, the ratcatcher... seems to be set mostly in Kintra st and Dunsy with St.Gs in the background
ah the memories.
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Estadio....The Enlightened Scribe has all his faculties I am delighted to read...
Insightful and Prescient indeed.....
My answer to your conumdrum is encouragement, positivity, patience, good humor and keeping the faith...It is the only way...Well... the part the supporters play...Leave the rest to the Gaffer!
Gavil Guy
USA GDP is one part of the equation of illusion...Chickens and roost come to mind...consider deficit, pensions and GM (not our esteemed contributor of course)......Anyway...agree to disagree on an off topic subject...Hope you are well Gavil...
KTF
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After the Lisbon highlights, we deservedly won again BTW, I watched FSC's review of the weekend games. Unfortunately I nodded off during their long and tedious review of the EPL, and woke up to hear them discussing the CL games. If anyone saw it please tell me, did Bobby McMahon cringe in his review of Rangers and the prospects for Alex?
ESPN2 are showing the Man United and Villareal game tomorrow afternoon. Should be an interesting match up, which United really must win to move on.
Fans from Villareal were next to me when I was home for the Hearts game last season, the one when BQ was disgracefully booed. Seemed a nice bunch of fans and I hope they win tomorrow night.
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I see the meeja today is building the case that Keano is too much money and trouble for Celtic. Hmmmm something smells. Oh its the Big C.(Kojo, you never did tell us that the C has an odour).
Interesting that we had a model player in a certain Mr. Bellamy.
Seems to me that the bluenose meeja are a quivering at the thought of Keano in the hoops.
Theres only one man who can determine if we can afford him and the same man will determine if he can handle him.
If he goes for it,
"lets tell all the folks you know
Keano's gonnae put on a show,
for he is classy and he is strong
and he looks great beside Lennon"
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The Herald is very amusing this morning with Mister Spiers accusing (without of course doing so!) Prso of play-acting... Reminds me when I spoke to my father after the game that he just said 'he chucked it'... Looks like my da may very well have been correct.
B
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First up ... more kudos to estadio, another great post there. hope the bruises get you want you want from Mr S. Claus.
Right the EPL. I've spent virually my entire life in England anmd have watched the ups and downs of their domestic game especially since the formation of the Premiership.
I'd just like to here and now state my sincere belief that footballing wise, the EPL is vastly overrated in my opinion.
There I've said it.
I have taken umbrage many many times with my fellow Anglo-dwellers awhen they're abnged on about how good it is and I always just ask them some standard questions, each of which leaves them completely stumped.
1) How many truly world class players have joined an EPL team from a foreign country? By this I refer to players already considered world class and not home grown or players who have since become known as such.
2) Consider an MOR Premiership player, for example, (G.Marcotti's favourite) Gavin McCann, Matt Taylor or my particular bugbear the evil and truly disgusting John Arne Riise. Is anybody out there willing to state that an average player from the EPL is better than the average player in La Liga or Serie A. Come to think of it, some of the players doing the rounds in le Championnat (a vastly underrated league IMO) are better than those three average EPl goons.
3) If the EPL is so good, How do Cygan, Hyppia and Wes Brown all get a game for clubs considered to be towards the top of the pile.
4) If the EPl is so financially secure, explain the debt situation then?
and finally (the one that really gets up there noses) If the EPl is so competitive, Explain the Euorpean record of Man Utd and Arsenal in the Champions league spots EVERY year, with the other spots being taken by just five teams since its inception (excluding Chelsea who have for clear reasons, a superior standing courtesy of Abramovich's Oil cash). (Newcastle (2), Liverpool, Blackburn (1), Everton (1) and of course, the debt busters of Elland Rd.)
Is it not the case that the average premiership team would flounder in Spain and Italy, and probably wouldn't be that great in D1 either?
here endeth rant.
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NTL backs out of challenge to Sky on TV football
In a strongly worded statement, NTL said that the Commission had “failed to deliver a level playing field for competition” and was “refusing to amend the auction rules in a way that makes it feasible for other parties to bid for substantial packages of rights”.
As a result, the cable company said that it was “unlikely that we will bid for the majority of the rights” — code for taking on Sky for the bulk of the available packages. BSkyB is 37.2 per cent owned by News Corporation, parent company of The Times.
Sky has dominated live coverage of top-flight football since the 1990s, and currently pays £1.02 billion for an exclusive three-year deal. The FA Premier League will auction rights for a new three-year agreement, starting in August 2007, in the first half of next year.
Other broadcasters said they would study the agreement, but there appeared to be little enthusiasm for a big bid for all the rights. A spokesman for Five said that the “sixth package would be of interest”, while a more circumspect ITV said it would “carefully consider” its options.
Setanta Sports, the Dublin-based sports broadcaster, which has the rights to Scottish Premier League games, “confirmed its interest”, but indicated that it was unlikely to challenge Sky for the bulk of the games. A number of former Sky Sports staff have moved over to Setanta in recent months. The broadcaster has recently also attracted investment from Benchmark Capital.
Of the other broadcasters, the BBC has largely given up on buying live rights to club football games, although Roger Mosey, head of BBC Sport, has at least indicated that the broadcaster will examine the Premier League’s bid documentation. Channel 4, meanwhile, is the least likely to enter the race.
Broadcast sources estimated that the sixth package could go for about £75 million. Depending on the clubs involved, a Premiership game can draw an audience of anywhere between three million and ten million on free-to-air television. Those levels would make it attractive to Five, which rarely attains that sort of figure, but less interesting to ITV, which regularly transmits shows that attain more than five million viewers.
The deal between the European Commission and the Premier League ends nearly two years of talks, which at times had threatened to break down, amid threats that the Commission would insist that the rights were split more equally.
Richard Scudamore, chief executive of the Premier League, welcomed the end of “a long and often complicated negotiation”. Neelie Kroes, the Competition Commissioner, said: “The commitments offered by the Premier League should ensure that the media rights are sold in a fair and transparent manner.”
ROLL UP FOR FOOTBALL’S AUCTION
• Six packages of 23 games will be auctioned.
• Three-year contract, starting August 2007.
• No broadcaster can buy more than five packages.
• All packages to be “balanced” — meaning an equal split of games involving leading clubs.
• Match times to be set by the Premier League.
• Each package to be bid for separately.
• Independent “trustee”, appointed by the European Commission, will monitor the auction.
• Auction to begin in February or March, wrapping up in the summer.
• BSkyB currently holds all the live rights, paying £341 million a season.
• Bids expected from BSkyB, Setanta Sports, ITV and Five. BBC and NTL are also possible contenders.
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Estadio 2.35. That was a helluva post. I'm glad the unfortunate incident hasn't dulled your eruditeness (I may have made that word up).
Impressed with your analysis of the way we grew into our European games and the need to be betetr prepared for next year's adventure.
Seems to me that one of the keys here will be Sutton. He was involved more than anyone we have left at the club and he's a thinking man's footballer. I know opinions vary but I think we need to keep him for the next 18 months (and then get him into a coaching role?).
Just a thought!
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Just noticed on the web that Keane isn't eligible to sign for anyone until the 1st January.
He'll need to keep fit so maybe we could offer to let him train at Barrowfield.....!
Coat's already on.
P.S. Previous post - betetr = better.
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Watching Celtic tv last night I decided to turn over to Rankgers tv to see how they were dealing with the current situation.
Well the presenter whatever her name is (nice pair of pins by the way), must have been told by the producer to wear a mini (got to get the punters phoning up somehow).
Their resident pundit wee willie whitever his name is what a miserable wee git that is . The amount of times he said to play fer the glesga rangers time and time again. A typical wee hun kynaff. The other guy coudlnt take his eyes off whats her names legs as could I till I got clumped round the back of the napper by she who must be obeyed.
Anway the upshot is they are gutted to the core. New money must be brought in, new ideas, new players, this mob aint good enough for the glesga rangers, all that.
Cheered me up no end. Im sure Carol Thatcher could go in and do a job for them she might even get to do her business on the pitch, like most of us would like to do to the Ibrox playing surface.
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A very surprising development (ahem!) on that great hun website Follow Follow.
From BBC's website.....
The operators of an independent Rangers supporters website have banned three members after a cartoon depicting a hanging Celtic footballer was posted.
A cartoon of midfielder Neil Lennon appeared on the Follow Follow website.
The site's editor described the posting as "juvenile" and said it was removed when it came to his attention.
Mark Dingwall said he could not prove it but two people believed to be involved were Celtic supporters and one was a Rangers fan.
Offensive posts
He said: "Juvenile posts of this nature are removed when brought to our attention or become the subject of a warning to users.
"In this thread a public warning was issued to all users to desist from making or responding to offensive posts.
"Three users involved in the thread have been banned from the website.
"Two of those banned appear to be Celtic fans, one appears to be a Rangers fan."
Anti-sectarian campaigner, Donald Gorrie MSP, said although the message was childish and distasteful, it was vital to clamp down on such behaviour.
Supporter reputations will be tarnished and I think it is in their interest to get the thing sorted out
Donald Gorrie MSP
Lennon played in Celtic's 3-0 victory over Rangers on Saturday.
The cartoon, which depicted the footballer being hung from a scaffold, carried a caption with the words "Hang Neil Lennon, hang him high"."
Speaking to BBC Radio's Scotland Live programme, Mr Gorrie said: "I do think there has to be a clear boundary that people do not go across without getting into serious trouble.
"It doesn't do the two football clubs, or the supporters associations, any good.
"People will think they are all a complete lot of bampots - rather than just a few bampots and a lot of decent people who support a particular club."
Sectarian slogans
Mr Gorrie added: "Supporter reputations will be tarnished and I think it is in their interest to get the thing sorted out."
Footymad, which runs the Follow Follow site, said it acted to remove the image when it came to its attention.
Lennon has been the target of sectarian abuse in the past.
Last year vandals sprayed "You are a dead man Lennon" along with sectarian slogans outside his Glasgow home.
The 32-year-old Catholic quit as a Northern Ireland international in 2002 after a death threat.
The Follow Follow website describes itself as an independent online Glasgow Rangers fanzine.
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Estadio, scotcelt
Both thought-provoking posts.
I get the impression that WGS is already planning his signing targets for January and Summer 2006 (he has stated in public that is the case) but if we take a stranglehold on the SPL with perhaps only Hearts tucked in behind us then maybe thoughts will move on to making sure we don't have another Bratislava.
However as Estadio points out - how do we make sure that once in the CL we understand the nuances and requirements to make CP a fortress again and yet be able to pick up something on the road.
I'm not sure what the overall coaching situation is at CP but is it time to look at an extra coach or two to begin the focus on that?
Almost the case of having them spend their time building up their own knowledge and understanding of potential opponents for 2006 onwards as well as looking at possible players coming through.
WGS and the staff have to concentrate on winning the SPL this year but forward planning is critical. The only problem is that if it came to light we would get slaughtered in the media for being arrogant and presumptious.
Funny thing football - it is the only business where you try to plan for the future and the "parasites" hammer you, or they certainly would us, and yet in every other business sphere you would be commended for trying to gain that extra edge by applying a forward thinking strategy.
When you think about it the mantra of one game at a time has a basis in common sense and prudent good manners but it is also a load of tosh.
Perhaps that's part of the problem - I dont know?
The Club as a business is planning to be ready for major re-structuring of football finances over the next 10 years as Paul's thread has once more alerted us and yet the football side of the organisation (THE MOST IMPORTANT BIT) has to go with this "one game a time" approach.
I just hope there is even now a more structured strategy for the football side to take up the possible and lets hope probable challenge of the CL although it may be a very discreet one.
Let's hope that is the case - it is nice to adapt and learn as MON did on his travels but it would be better to learn as we go from a position where we have done some serious preparation before-hand even a year or 18 months ahead.
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Edward, Celtic or Rangers would need to give two years notice to quit the SPL without the agreement of the other clubs. This has been discussed within the SPL, and a payoff deal is likely to allow them to move quicker.
Estadio, I agree with your firm assumption that we need to position ourselves well in Europe next season.
Kojo, the ball (and most of the debt) is firmly in the court of Mr G.
With TV bidders disappearing like snow of a dyke (thanks ternar), the man needs to deliver for 2007, not 2010 I would assume.
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Estadio,Scotcelt and Shamrock Diary-
Good morning.
I broached this subject yesterday -with the demise of-to quote Graham Spiers" the twitching,kicking corpse that is rangers..."-we have no sustained competition.
If these words were to act as an inspiration to Hibernian or hearts to go on a run and give us a challenge -good!
I have no doubts whatsoever that Mr.Strachans attention will be turning to our Champions League campaign.
He may throw a quick glance back to last july-have a quick gulp of air,wipe that bead of sweat from his brow-and know that it will never happen again.
His preparations will begin in January- of that I,m sure-whether it means going to watch our prospective Champions League competitors or trying to arrange friendlies against quality teams -we will have to wait and see.
With Peter Lawell already stating that we might be on a pre-season tour of China and Japan-I,m not sure that we will meet teams of C.L.quality out there and, although it might bring much needed finance,will it not hinder our preparations ?
noel.
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Hello All - I am posting from my sick bed today so apologies for any typos.
mayomandan - excellent piece of info. re the website and also the reaction of Mr Donald "All round good egg" Gorrie. I posted last week about Celtic being tarred with the sam brush as you know who and how sickened I am by it and the reaction of this guy Gorrie proves my point. Consider the facts
A website for team A has a 'cartoon' of the hanging of a player from team B - so where does the responsibility lie? Anywhere else on the planet it would be with team A. Here in Scotland it is with team A & team B. Unbelievable !!
As mentioned previously, in some ways there is something refreshingly honest about FC Dignity fans calling you a dirty fenian b%$^$&* !! - at least you know where you stand with these 'people' - I find the attitude of mealy mouthed politicians like Gorrie more distasteful because he speaks under the guise of trying to do something about the problem, but at the back of his mind, is ever wary of the composition of the electorate who put him into the priveleged position he currently enjoys - in my opinion he is untruthful and only wants to be seen to do the right thing rather than doing it.
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Just lifted this from Fans F.C.-
"The midfielder saw his side beaten 3-0 at Celtic on Saturday to increase the pressure on manager Alex McLeish after a poor start to the season.
Ahead of tomorrow night's crucial Champions League clash against FC Porto, Ferguson told the Scottish Sun: "This is the lowest time of my football career.
"I have never felt more down than this.
"I broke my kneecap and had seven months out when I was at Blackburn but this feels worse.
"We are stuck in a horrible rut and it is getting deeper and deeper. But the only people who can drag Rangers out if this are the players."
This is Barry Ferguson-captain of rangers-admitting they are in freefall and can do nothing to stop it.
Edward-if I was you,I would be very worried.....
noel.
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Noel, i'm sure the powers that be are thinking about this.
However, I worry that it's almost an intractable problem in that friendly matches, no matter how they are dressed up, never give that competitive edge. Maybe we need to sponsor a trophy and get 3 good clubs to CP for a tournament in the summer.
There is probably a better than even chance that the league winners get automatic entry next year. That guarantees us a fair chunk of dosh but the problem of trying to play ourselves into form from within the CL group - what a scary thought.
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I agree totally that we should start preparing for Champions League football. It may seem dismissive of Hearts and Hibs but I simply cannot see them sustaining a meaningful challenge for the season. And don't even mention Rang*rs.....
I believe it's GS's job to ensure the players are 100% focussed on the SPL this year and that they're minds are not distracted on thoughts of next year. His mind, and those of his and the clubs staff should be looking ahead though. There's everything to gain from being properly prepared for the challenges that await next year. I don't however see that a strong Rang*rs team is a necessity for our progress. That is a short-sighted view. IMO the future of top class football is in Europe, with domestic competitions gradually becoming of little importance. While I'll miss the joy I get from beating them, I personally hope they crash and burn and disappear from the face of the earth. Unfortunately any move we make seems destined to be inclusive of them. Mores the pity.
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Glass half full, I'm less sanguine about this. One of the real strengths and weaknesses on the internet is its anonymity. Would we be surprised if a story broke that a couple of Rangers supporters had hacked into (in fact just logged onto) a Celtic web site and did something that was aimed at getting us a bad name? Of course we wouldn't - bloody typical would be the response along with how stupid to get caught.
My guess (in bold) is that this is a smokescreen but i'm far from certain - which of course is the whole point. Deep waters this.
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Scotcelt-bingo !
-good idea.
Something along the lines of the Amsterdam Tournament but sponsored by Setanta.( or m.i.m. ? :P)
I would have Stuttgart,Paris St.Germain and Wigan-3 different styles-anybody ?
noel.
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Estadio - glad to hear you're on the mend, did you consider shaving off your blood-matted facial mane or is that a snip or two too far? ;)
DarthOVader 12.40 (re Gavilguys post) :-
"...Round the decay
Of that colossal wreck,
boundless and bare,
The lone and level sands
stretch far away..."
And it was decreed a
casino would be built
there.
As for Barry Ferguson's "never felt this down" comment, seems to be the only rangers player with fighting spirit who is "raging against the dying of the light" and deserves some respect for this.
Murray said last week his club was now on a sounder financial footing - was this the usual spin and stuff and nonsense or has he found a dusty old booty box stashed under his granny's bed?
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Peat Blog
For coming third you get the satisfaction that you are still above the TFoD!!
As far as the league goes, the EPL will have to do what Celtic have been doing for the last few years in not living beyond their means. Only MUtd have a real problem in this regard (Glazer debt), the rest are just chasing the dream and can trim their sails in a downturn.
Do the Scottish media (TMoD) really think that La Guen will take on a job where there is ony £2.50 of a transfer budget!
What’s the news on our forwards for the weekend?
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CL Preparation
Even going for our own tournament with invited guests will only give us friendlies since that is how the opposition will treat it.
Different season starts and commitments means different application.
How about taking 15 Bosman's on a four week trial, fully paid, lining them up as a team and playing half a dozen times. The incentive would lie in a possible contract for anyone good enough to beat the hoops.
Perhaps MON could do a 4 week stint as the Bosman Manager for his retainer?
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Hello all
I find the hypocrisy of the Footymad web people staggering. This is hardly the first time Follow Follow has had accusations of bigotry thrown at them.
in the past Footymad have just pretended to ignore the complaints. It is high time they were taken before the courts for this sort of behaviour. They are, after all, supposed to be the people responsible for Follow Follow. It's no use acting indignant after the fact, especially when thay have had complaints in the past - not by me, but by a well repected journalist that I am related to.
Also I'm with GlassHalf Full. How can Celtic fans be the ones accused of causing trouble. I doubt very much it was Celtic fans that posted the cartoon of Neil Lennon. Probably it was their reaction that was the problem, (How dare they complain!!).
Footymad is run by a bunch of stupid people down here in England, who appear to have no idea of what they are running, or simply do not care - and I strongly suspect the latter. If they cannot be more responsible than this, they shouldn't be allowed to run a website of any sort.
If you carried a placard with an image of David Murray being hung, you would be arrested for riotous behaviour, or possibly with breach of the peace at the very least. Why should Follow Follow be treated any differently.
Hail Hail
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Morning All,
Still catching up from the weekend, and sweet child of mine what a good weekend it was.
Just as I got to grips with one thread a new one was off and running.
Anyhow, this is my favouritest of all CQN topics, 'Breaking out of SPHell'!
The pack-ice is in the microwave right now, we have moved from what people called wishful thinking to speculation to the lazy media reporting on it every week. Our plight seems to be gathering pace by the day.
The conduit is apparent- TV!
If the negotiations are to start in the next 6 months Celtic must be banging as hard on Hadrains Wall as hard as they possibly can.
The catalyst is apparent- A Fresh Product!
Estimated £75m for the last package? What if we throw in two of the biggest Derby matches on the planet and guarenteed subscriptions in Scotland? £85-90m? No peanuts.
TBE.
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Glass half full, I had exactly the same thoughts as you when I read that article. Why don't we just amalgamate clubs and be done with it?
The line 'Mark Dingwall said he could not prove it but two people believed to be involved were Celtic supporters and one was a Rangers fan' really got to me. If he couldn't prove it why is he making such a comment? I agree with scotcelt56 that maybe everything is not as clear as it seems but until I have any evidence in front of me why should I even consider such a conspiracy theory? If you look closley at TV footage of that fateful day in Dallas in 1963, I'm sure you can see a man on a grassy knoll wearing what appears to be a green and white block scarf.....
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mayomandan, be careful about 1963. I'm sure that noel90 could produce you a photo with exactly that. He's managed Angelina Jolie, L-Lo and a whole bunch of others so a grassy knoll in Dallas should be a piece of cake.
For the avoidance of doubt I do think the "two celtic fans" is a smokescreen as I honestly can't imagine any sane Celtic supporter putting up that image - even to get a Rangers web site in trouble -and insane ones probably wouldn't have the technical nous.
I hope.
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Scotcelt-
are you talking about this grassy knoll ?
noel.
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as i've said before-the old firm is long past it's sell by date and it is becoming more and more a convenient getout for lazy journalists.i'm sure if they could they would like to write that 80,000 old firm fans went to seville,and there were no arrests.
if we are going to break out of the spl we stand a better chance on our own.at the game on saturday you saw faces and heard voices from all over the world,all wanting to be part of the celtic family.
i think the forwards for the weekend will be hartson and mcgeady.
sutton,majic and shaunaldinho are doubtful,but it's only tuesday,and there have been a few near miracles worked at parkhead already this season.
gale 8 becoming severe gale 9 in
german bight
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or this one -please note the fat bloke in the rangers top looking over the fence.
noel.
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noel
I fervently hope you are right about us being able to start preparations for Europe sooner rather than later (even if it is discreetly done)
Yesterday after st anthony's quiz about teams who have visited us to play friendlies I posted that someone like Dynamo Kiev would be good because they would already have started their season and if they could find the time that would be a right good test for us.
Playing three different teams with different styles is also a sound idea to sharpen us up with tactics.
Whatever else, please would someone at CP spare us Leicester, Fulham and Leeds next year.
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After watching Ronaldinho destroy Real Madrid at the weekend it was interesting to witness the Madrid fans applauding Ronaldinho's second goal. There was article in one of the papers yesterday saying how this was great to see and how it would never, ever happen in an 'old firm' game. I am sorry but I have to disagree with this. Was this particular reported not at Celtic Park on Saturday to witness the Celtic supporters applauding and cheering Peter Lovenkrands when he came on in the second half. This act of sportmanship puts the Madrid fans in the shade.
Happy days
HAIL HAIL
Bhoy O'Bhoy
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I was at the game on saturday and maybe I missed it when we were celebrating our goals but when did hemdani come on ?
noel.
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Noel he started but I think he was hiding behind the corner flag on in Fernando's pocket because he didn't seem to do much
TBE.
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stephen thompson was also given a rousing reception.in a footballing way ronaldinho and s.thompson are twins separated at birth
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Cheers TBE-
I can,t believe those thugs at follow follow wanting to string up our captain
noel.
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My apologies-
wrong Lennon
noel.
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Shamrock diary - Have to agree about our choice of oppenents in friendly games.
Do we have some arrangement set up with Leicester as part of MON coming to us? As for Fulham, while they're a Premiership side, it's hardly ideal preparation for Europe. Although I know the game is always looked forward to by the large Celtic fan base in London.
I like the idea of a 4 team tournament, so long as we're playing teams of obvious European class. The Amsterdam tournament is usually of a high quality. Also a chance to exploit Marketing opportunities in a city where we have left our mark recently.
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scotcelt56 & mayonmandan
The fact that we are even having this discussion re-enforces my point. If Mark Dingwall is reading his I am convinced he will be laughing his head off because his ploy of introducing uncertainty has worked - he has spun this with the help of the BBC and Donald Gorrie and turned a story about the disgraceful conduct of some people supporting FC Dignity into an analysis of the conduct of old firm fans. Game, Set & Match.
I have contacted the Press Office at Celtic Park to complain about this - they are taking the matter seriously. Perhaps if more of us complain thru the club something can be done about this.
Make no mistake - the Dingwalls of this world will always behave in a certain way. It is the most prominent medium in this country (the BBC) whose conduct I am disgusted with. Their shameful quoting of this blatantly biased man is not the behaviour of an impartial news gathering organisation.
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Dont Bratt Back-
ronaldinho is a player while steven thompson has the same ball control as this bloke .......
noel.
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Interested to note that keane agents states he's waiting for the Celtic call and Keane might not be prepared to accept a big wage cut.
Dunno which part of this statement is true but roy if your out there your not needed and if you do seriously want to come and your a true supporter then an issue like wages should not be a problem.
P.s Get used to lacing Petrov and Lenny's boots.
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I was really surprised to not see those two feature on last nights conjoined twins documentary on channel 5.
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Whilst we all are excited and feel that we've got huge potential if we joined some sort of Super League, bear in mind that there's not the same excitment about it down south. To be honest, they don't really care, and we have to sell ourselves.
So I think signing the likes of Keane, Bellamy and even having WGS as manager are all good for our profile.
We all think we've got nothing to prove to anyone about the size of our club, but I don't think we can sit back and wait to be welcomed.
And sadly, I think we can't sell ourselves seperately from the "Currant Buns". If we're to get invited, so are they....
by the way, the MSL Barcelona team is intriguing - maybe Celtic should make enquiries about starting a Boston franchise. Even if it's small stage at this case...
Ok, Speculation overload....
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Something I posted on another forum, but makes sense, to me anyway.
"I'm the same as yourself, I dunno where Keano would fit into our team. what about?
Taking him on the terms of player coach. He will give us that extra option if we need to hold out games, Lennon and him in midfield. We can go away in Europe and defend a lead if need be, we dont have many other defensive mids in the squad.
Then he can coach the youngsters when he isn't needed."
He can be played in the same way we played Lennon and Lambert a few seasons back when needs be.
TBE.
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I wonder when that pic was posted on Follow Follow.
I know I complained about it being posted OVER A YEAR AGO, to footymad and Nil By Mouth
Screengrab Here
Be assured, it was a horrible, horrible thread all the way down - unbelievable they're even talking about Celtic fans on that report....
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If we are to have a tourney, what about CELTIC'S G8 SUMMIT (the G standing for green)
Guest list:
Tokyo Verdy
Sporting Club Lisbon
Werder Bremen
Real Betis
St Etienne
Santos Laguna
Austria Vienna
This could be followed by some musical extravaganza featuring GREEN DAY perhaps at GLASGOW GREEN.
Middle of July might be a nice time for such an event?
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bhass_bhoy, this is a different image, yet equally offensive. It's a cartoon depiction of Neil being hung. I can only begin to imagine the fall-out if a similar image was posted on ETims or KTF etc.
Keane's agent has now denied making those comments, as reported in the Scottish Sun. Considering the paper, is anyone really that surprised?! The only news regarding Keane that I'm paying any heed to is what I've read here from Paul and Kojo.
The BBC website has recently been added to my shitlist....
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I like many others are pig sick of the 'old firm' tag. Its high time we both as a support and a club stopped responding to it. IE if ever used in a question to a club official by a member of the media it should immediately be responded to with a correction that WE ARE CELTIC FOOTBALL CLUB WE ARE NOT IN PARTNERSHIP WITH ANY OTHER FOOTBALL CLUB. Please refer to us by out proper name - STUFF THE 'OLD FIRM'
GRrrrrr
RRrrrrrrrrr
An ANGRY NBNC
Any other suggestion how we BURY the TAG are welcomed.
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noel-i think the photo shows one of the older style subbuteo players,with the heavier base and sturdier bodies,whereas the later type had lighter bases,inferior paintwork and flimsier bodies.
so s.thompson is probably not as good as the wee chap in the picture,and in terms of control is more akin to the special player used in subbuteo to take corners-head goes back,leg swings up,ball disappears off the other side of the table,cat chases it round the room.
i think i shall nip round to the seafares and see if they would be interested in staging a subbuteo tournament.it would make a change from dwarf throwing and bestiality as a way to get through the long winter nights
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pah!5 on 1! get 'em Lenny...
If we had a tourny we could a atleast invite St Pauli.
Not for quality of opposistion but they could really do with a hand.
Aswell as Man U 'cos they will be out of Europe pretty soon.
Sean
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Dont Bratt Back-
you are correct-I apologise unreservedly to all subbuteo players worldwide.
steven thomson has a touch as good as this ........
noel.
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I'm not surprised in the slightest by the line taken by the BBC. This is an organisation which employs Bill Leckie, Chick Young and James Traynor. People who have whole-heartedly participated in the vindictive media campaign which has consistently slighted Lennon over the past few years.
The sort of people who will gaily trot out such stock phrases as "Well, he's like Fernando Ricksen, he's a controversial character"
Hmm, let's see - one of the aforementioned's misdemeanours include conviction of a drink driving offence, retrospective punishment for claiming he had to "sort out" a fellow professional on the field of play (although the actual assault went unpunished), disturbing neighbours by setting off fireworks at 5am, and a rather chequered disciplinary record in the SPL.
The other has been the subject of death threats, an assault, a road-rage attack, vandalism to a neighbour's property due to mistaken identity, torrents of abuse at every away ground in Scotland, and has been suspended in the SPL only once in five years.
Yes, very much alike.
We can make friendlies competitive if we go for the throat from the word go. If we play big teams and have a proper go at them with attacking football and strong challenges, I doubt they'll sit back and take it. A team like Milan would not want to see an up-for-it Celtic knocking their players about, or knocking goals past their keeper. They will respond in kind.
Look at the Ryan Giggs testimonial, for example. We may risk injuries by doing so, but surely that would be better than going into a European campaign with no relevant experience.
Senor Pablo
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did anyone else notice Chick Young wearing Rangers Tartan kilt as he humiliated himself on Children in Need ?
He truly is, "Scotland's Shame"
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NBNC
I agree with you - this old firm tag is not helping at all.
However if I am not mistaken at the two recent games but particualrly the CIS Cup Game we were raising awareness of initiatives such as Show Racism The Red Card and The Old Firm Alliance - an initiative backed by US and THEM and given that monicker by both organisations.
I have no problem joining with Rangers in any initiative that tries to bring reason, good manners and respect for others regardless of sex, creed, colour or anything else but like you I am less than sure that this old firm tag is good for us anymore.
Indeed some Rangers fans I know (thankfully reasonable supporters like EdwardUrsus) are starting to feel the same way so maybe we should try and get both Clubs and then the media to stop perpetuating this myth!
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Glass half full 10:43>
I too have had it from these mealy mouthed poli - "one lot is as bad as the other"- ticians. They are covering up for bigots and racists and they have the nerve to pretend to represent ordinary democratic values...
I concur with your judgement that these types are often worse than the uneducated pawns in the game of the Donald Findlays of this world. Neil Lennon is just as much a target from judges´ sons as the thugs of the Rangers persuasion that attacked Estadio the other day.
Estadio, just as well your typing fingers were not damaged by them!! Fantastic post, posing all the right questions and there have been many good responses from the crew already!!
I will add my tuppenceworth. Firstly Celtic look like they are gearing up for another spell of SPL domination. Here's hoping. But we need to do it and to do it in style. We will need to set our sights on Europe again. We need to be prepared,as Estadio warns, in so many ways.
The SPL can help in at least one way. The treatment we get from referees will stand us in good stead for European nights. There are some rank rotten refs in Europe and there are those who give the benefit of the doubt to certain teams. Nothing new. But the McGeady's of this world need to have it drummed into them.
As far as preparing for next season, I think there is a good opportunity to organise a tour to the Far East. Undoubtedly some of the opposition will be poor but Real Madrid got hammered this year by a local Chinese team. Real Madrid were either very bad or the opposition alright.
The tour could also act as a real getting to know how much you want to be the best experience. Just before the 66/67 season Celtic's trip to the U.S. was an example of footballers bonding even before bonding came into fashion!!
Celtic will only get to the top again if the hunger is there and for me the club should set its sights on getting to the very top.
I hope the club can fit into the schedule a visit to the stadium in Tokyo where the World Club Championship is played. Recent posters have been revisiting THOSE matches in the late summer of 1967.
If we set our sights on that one, Roy Keane did score the winner in Man U's conquest of the coveted trophy I´ll give him that, that should ensure that there will be no relaxation or lack of focus in next year's campaign.
Less than victory against the winners of the Libertadores is not enough.
Finally it is a World Cup year and we will hopefully see new tricks. Hopefully it will hurt the Scots and Irish lads to see themselves out of this festival of football and make them more determined than ever to show that they can play as well.
Barcelona, who have one European Cup victory like ourselves, fell at the final hurdle against Sao Paolo in the 1992/93 season . Show the lads that game, as well as the Man U victory, to let them see that it won't be easy.
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dumbhoy
If we invited Yeovil Town alongside Sporting Lisbon we would only need one more team to make it a four team tourney that would be almost impossible to watch because we would all be playing in virtually the same strip
Incidentally did anyone ever take SL and Yeovil to task for replicating the famous hoops - any lawyers in the house today that can help?
PS
Rhetorical question said with tongue firmly in cheek- no answer required.
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Shamrock-
The team to complete the foursome would be-Shamrock Rovers-can you imagine that !
noel.
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noel
well done that man!
how the hell could I have forgotten them!!!!
taxi for the diary, immediately
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Just a thought on the disgraceful media spin on the Lennon incident.
Maybe the press complaints body should be contacted by as many people as possible. Surely if enough complaints are made they will have to look into. Probably better people on here who know more about these things than me.
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Just when you thought that tripe about FC Dignity was over, the loveable big eck panders to the lowest common denominator once again today.....
"I know that we're facing difficulties at the moment and certainly the last couple of results haven't helped but it's in my blood to fight and the players have got to fight as well with a bit of dignity."
Am I alone in thinking that word is now being used simply to try and wind us up?!
C'mon Porto!! Put them in their 'dignified' place.
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Sean.zo- thanks for reminding me-
tonight we will see a Roy Keaneless Man.Utd taking on one of our other favourite teams Villareal-who have in their ranks-in my opinion-the best midfielder in the world-Juan Roman Riquelme.
I know who my moneys on......
noel.
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For a 4 team tournament why not invite 3 sides we have "unfinished business" with?
Celtic, Racing Club, Athletico Madrid and Rapid Vienna.
Surely the fans would be right up for these games?
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Billy McNeil wrote an article in the Sun on Saturday basically saying we need Roy Keane as much as we need a whole in the head. Having thought about that I now agree with him , and believe that that GS does also. There has to be good reason for GS to refuse to comment on the speculation - and that reason could be he doesn't want him - because of the baggage that comes with him. That and the fact that he's an injury prone 34 year old holding mid-fielder who would cost a fortune. Plus, taking into account our current league position and having fought so hard to win over the dressing room (and the fans) following MON's exit, Artmedia etc, why would he want to jeopardise all of that by signing a player we don’t need? No disrespect to Roy and the best of luck to him in the future - but the sooner he signs for a Spanish club the better
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Martin o bhoy-
that tourney would be played behind closed doors.....:P
noel.
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Shamrock Diary.
The mighty Yeovil Town(favoutite team in second division) chose to wear the hoops 'in honour' of Celtic's magnificent run to Seville in 2003.
That was nice of them.No Need for lawyers then;)
Noel Can/have Villareal overtake Celtic in the European coefficient table?
Cheers
Sean
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Noel
Riquelme & Forlan are out injured.
How do you put the link to photo's on you posts? Only been working with computers for over a decade!
It's bound to be easy I know.
CaltonTongues
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Shamrock Diary,
Or how about German 2nd div. outfit Greuther Fuerth, complete with one George Albertz?
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Sean.zo-
I haven,t a clue.
Scotcelt-
latest just in from the fat bloke in the rangers shirt on the grassy knoll .
noel.
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Noel, you are a genius - or just very good with your hands!
When do you fit work in?
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calton tongues-
first make sure the photos are on your hard drive then go here-http://tinypic.com/
then select browse
choose your picture
select host.
it will give you a link which you then copy and paste onto CQN.
Instructions courtesy of supercelt-
the tinypics master.
noel.
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Scotcelt...he's a milkman;)
Sean
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Scotcelt-
I only learned how to copy and paste last week-I learned everything off CQN.
I work continental shifts-and I can,t get anywhere near a pc when I,m at work-can,t blame them right enough.....
noel.
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shamrock d-these would be the initiatives that are referred to as an 'anti-sectarian sham'on follow,follow'?
the material on f.f. is so distressing to sentient life forms like myself that i need the metaphorical magical sponge-so noel,howsabout a picture of ms k.knightley to ease my troubled mind?
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Ok lets give this a go. http://tinypic.com/fymxqe.jpg
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OOPS!
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SeanZo, Unfortunately Villareal are above us, We're sittin in 21st position.
See Here
TBE.
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A little Christmas stocking filler for young (adolescent) orcs! http://tinypic.com/fymxsk.jpg
Technical Expertise by Noel & Supercelt
CaltonTongues
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The follow follow website has been closed by footymad. Not sure if this is just a temporary measure or not. But why did they close it down when it was the fault of Celtic fans?? I demand to know!
All Celtic website operators - watch your backs.....What are the chances those clowns will try some dirty underhand trick on one of our sites?
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Hi there
So Foothmad, have done what was I'm afraid was inevitable. They have shut down the 'Come on the Hoops' message board. How totally predictable. Closing Follow Follow was never going to be enough to these morons
They are making it all look so conveniently like 'If one side is guilty, then so must the others be as well'.
The people to blame here are themselves. Follow Follow has been allowed to get away with completely unacceptable behaviour for far too long. Mr Dingwall (or should that be Dingbat) should have stepped in a long, long time ago. But he didn't, and once again, Celtic, and it's supporters, get tarnished by all this nonsense.
If it isn't closing the stable door etc. etc. may I suggest that all true Celtic fans should avoid any Footymad websites. They are simply too irresponsible, and are now attempting to cover their tracks by blaming us for their poor conduct.
Hail Hail
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Hi Paul,
Thanks for the answer to my earlier question.
Noel90 @ 10.45 :- Like any other Rangers fan, and no matter what else you may think of him he is undoubtedly a Rangers fan, Mr Ferguson is hurting just now, as far as being worried goes I crashed through that over the past week or so and I'm not sure if their is a name for my present state :-)
Bhoyinengland 11.05 :- I agree with all on here that the cartoon was despicable, whether it should lead to prosecution is another thing, if this was the case then more than a few websites Celtic as well as Rangers would be affected, there are also the implications for a site owner, how many will risk running a site if the fear this could happen. If you want to keep in touch with how Rangers fans are feeling try Gersforum.co.uk I'm not saying that you wont find anything offensive on it, but contributions from Celtic fans are welcome on it. Perhaps the best solution is to ignore sites that preach hatred and allow them to wither on the vine of anonymity.
Shamrockdiary 1.23 :- I know the question was rhetorical, but I believe the fashion police are investigating all three ;-)
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Cheers Mr Ego.
So if its 8 teams a pot then we need at least 5 teams above us not to qualify for the champions league to let us in Pot 2.Anybody know how teams close to us are doing in their respective leagues?
Caltontounges. not the view also had a 'Total Crap Manager 2005'.
Guess who was on the cover;)
Sean
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EdwardUrsus
Owners of websittes are subject to the same laws as anyone else. What Mr Dingwall refers to as 'Juvenille', could be interpretted as incitment to riot by others. And certainly if you have a history of allowing that type of behaviour, as Folow Follow has, you deserve what you get.
I'm not going to sit here and say that every Celtic website is completely blemish free, and I know, I've seen most of them. But lets not get away with the fact that Follow Follow has probably had more complaints lodged against it than just about all other football sites combined. Until now, the owners of the site have just ignored the complaints.
I am also aware through friends of mine, who are Rangers supporters, that quite a number of them are embarressed to be assosiated with Follow Follow simply because they support Rangers.
Where I disagree though is your thoughts that somehow web owners should be somehow overly protected. If the website rules, and codes of behaviour are set out from the word go, as they have been from the start on this site, then you will find there is no problem. I am sure there will be Rangers websites that follow the similar codes of behaviour. However, the ones that stick out need to be removed. If that takes a court case, then so be it.
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Love to put the cat amongst the pigeons so here we go!!
In my local paper, the Greenock Telegraph, it reports that Kevin Keegan has just bought a property in sunny Inverkip.
Now, and this is where it gets good, I wonder if KK is up here to take on the job at a shoggley wee club on the south-side??
I know.. I'll get my robe!
/Bishop B
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I'm surprised no-one has picked up on Big Liam's post from about 12ish re Roy Keane's agent's comments on 'waiting for an approach from Celtic' and that 'wages are not negotiable. Surely these comments cannot have been made poublic without Roy Keane's agreement? There is only one reply - 'Good Luck in your future career!!'
I can't understand why we are letting this RK stuff distract us from the excellent work in progress. Thanks but No Thanks!
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Just testing. Happy to be on board - no pun!
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timgreen, alas Big Liam got his info from The Sun. Keane's agent has since come out and said The Sun is talking tosh (surprise, surprise, eh?).
This whole Keane issue has turned in to a circus. The only thing I can suggest is that we ignore the media and wait to see what happens.
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Timgreen,
Keane's agent has already distanced himself from the comments and said he has never spoken to anyone at the Sun. Once again the rags indulge in the big C.
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Having just looked at the UEFA rankings, you can take an English, Spanish and Italian club from the list ahead of us.
Only 4 clubs from 1 country can enter the CL. (Unless your english and a member of the G14).
Hail Hail.
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Sean, there are 5 teams above us from each of Italy, England and Spain. So (assuming an outsider doesn't win the tournament again) that makes us 18th at worst, although we also need teams below us to stay there.
There are also country coefficients to take into account so even if PSV and Panathinaikos didn't win their leagues the champions of those countries might well qualify automatically.
I suggested earlier that the chances were better than even that we would make it straight in but having seen the table that now seems a touch ambitious.
I seem to recall that there was a lot about this on an earlier Blog.
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Thanks guys - hadn't realised Roy Keane's agent had distanced himself from this comment. Top 'journalism' yet again!
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BhoyinEngland 2.53 :- I wasn't suggesting that web owners be overly protected, though on re-reading my post I can see it sounds like that, my concerns in this area (and I'll admit my knowledge of the legal aspects is slim) are that in even a well run site as for instance this one is, the owner could find himself in bother when he could do nothing to prevent it, Paul normally makes his last post shortly after midnight, if I was to come on after that and called myself something like GaeltachtBhoy and leave a scurrilous or libellous statement about a Rangers player, or as in the previous example a death threat, Paul is unaware of this till morning, what is his legal position. I'm not arguing this to be akward, I honestly don't know the legalities. Like many of your friends I too get embarrassed at some of the comments and behaviour of people who purport to be Rangers fans, but I still feel that the best way to deal with offensive sites whatever their message is to ignore them and starve them of publicity. One last point if you don't mind me making it, if some of the idiots who promote violence and hatred had to see the results of the misery they inflict it may make a difference to some of them, though there is always a hard-core minority that don't have enough brain cells to let even that change them. If the above sounds a bit of a ramble I apologise, getting your thought on such a complex subject down as words isn't the easiest thing in the world. (now I know why I took physics rather than psychology lol, it's so much easier)
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There's a good breakdown in the latest issue of Not The View for Euro spots. Based on this I think we have a fair shout to get in.
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LenBrennan 2.55 :- I hope not, while Mr Keegan is a decent enough manager right now we need someone who can both rebuild a team from scratch and then keep them in a strong position. perhaps we got the wrong ginger aberdonian lol
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Edward/Len-
The chances of Kevin Keegan taking over at ibrox without a budget of circa £30,000,000 are about the same as my chances of accepting the job when it is offered to me.
Sean.zo-
for the last time-I am n o t a milkman.
Although the way I skulk about in the early hours of the morning has been described as being milkmanesque......
noel.
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I don't think we've seen the last of the FFF just yet. Here is the actual message
Due to problems elsewhere on the Footymad system our message board has been temporarily shut down.
We’re sorry that the ripples from those problems have spilt over into Follow Follow but solutions to stop future instances are being discussed.
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Hi Paul,
I hope you don't mind me posting the following quote as the subject has been under discussion, due to not having sources I don't know if this is from the board hosting company or someones thought.
*The Rangers and Celtic messageboards were taken offline yesterday evening due to the persistent breach of the terms and conditions of use by users. The sheer volume of messages posted has meant that the administration teams on both boards have found it a difficult task to prevent a very small number of posts temporarily appearing that might be deemed to be of an offensive nature to some users/observers. The future of the boards is under review.
Maybe gersforum will have a lot new members*
Quite a few members of Gersforum are worried that new posters could bring the same fate on them, a warning to us all perhaps. if the lack of time involving the admin is correct perhaps you may consider giving a couple of trusted friends/posters the authority to police the site, I know this goes against all that your blog seems to stand for, and in my opinion has never allowed anything to be posted that would or could result in such action, but I have a feeling that websites will be watched like a hawk for the next while.
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Im sure I speak for many people on cqn; What does Noel do that requires him to be up at crazy o'clock every morning? Any guesses?
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I'll hazard a guess at burglar.
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I think he's got a paper round.... thats where he gets all his useless info!! \0/
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He steals womens knickers from their washing line.
I have no idea what he does that means being up early though :o)~
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EdwardUrsus 3:34 Fairpoint. However, as I have stated, if a webste is set up with clear guidelines from the word go, then the morons tend to go elsewhere.
Take this website for example. On the rare ocassion where someone's language has gone OTT, Paul67 has a provable track record that he censored the person involved. He doesn't scream and shout, but he has has made it clear what is, and what is not, acceptable behaviour. He laid his stall out from the start, and that is why this is a site that is read by a great many people. We don't all agree with what the other guys might be saying, but we show each other respect, and do allow for opposing views
Follow Follow on the other hand have simply ignore legitimate complaints for a long time. It's only now, where the uproar is getting louder, and louder, that they have deemed fit to do something about it. Unfortunately they have adopted the scatter gun approach. ie. Hit anything that moves, and if that includes the other teams message board then so be it. It will help deflect the problem from where the root cause is - Themselves.
As such, the people at the top of these organisations (Footymad.com) should be prepared to accept the consequences of their (lack of) action
The louts that makes these vile comments are only able to find a platform to do so because there are some sloppy webowners out there. Your example obout a libellous comment being made late into the night is a fair one, but Paul67 has a proven track record of keeping a tight reign of the behaviour of the people on this website, and does not merely pay lip service to the idea of good behaviour.
Footymad.com cannot make the same boast
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Is anyone from here going to Neil Lennons dinner tomorrow night?
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On the debate as to Noel's employment and early rising, could he be the man who raises the league and other flags at Ibrox each morning ;-)
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Edward
Clearly FanFan does that, why else is he employed. A defender??? Good one...
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..or a serial philanderer posting when he gets to his own house each day?
signed
maybe
jealous TB
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Just seen Marvin Andrews quoted as saying "Nobody knows the future of Alex McLeish except God."
What can Henrik know that we dont??
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Edward, this is a concern. Blogger does not allow a great deal of flexibility in the monitoring area, and, as you know, it has not been a problem for some time (though that has not always been the case).
Spending money is one of the ways around the problem, but that is another story. I have always consoled myself by saying ‘look what everyone else gets away with’, however, that might be about to change.
I have also been a regular victim of libel on other sites, and have had more than my share of hassle as a result (always from Celtic fans).
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Paul67.... any up date on the Keane transfer......can he sign and play before January?
Paul67.....with what's happened to the footymad boards....watch out what you put on the header of a new thread......nothing with Rangers on it or NewNow picks it up and we will be invested with FF members.
Mr Keegan for Rangers.........happy days if he takes it.....I'll just love, yes, just love it.......:-)
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We're missing a trick here guys. Noel used the phrase "continental shifts" so we just need to find a company that still employs those and voila - we have the answer!
I remember my dad working those at Ravenscraig but as that's shut down that probably doesn't help!
(Unless of course he's a geologist?)
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Its obvious that Noel gets up at stupid o'clock as that is when the staff from the home come to check if his bed pan is needing emptied.
Or is that just a load of ......
HAIL HAIL
Bhoy O'Bhoy
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Paul 67
Going back to the topic of you thread, I see an earlier poster has indicated that only 5 packages as they will be broken up into, can be owned by the same company.How can this in anyones opinion be seen as an improvement on the present situation and therefore more competitive? Is this the case?
The closing down of FF is not in anyway surprising but I know of some fans of Celtic who did like to go on and gloat the opposition.Never saw the reason for this myself.
Please take all necessary steps to protect this blog from the enemy at the gates.
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ah - continental shifts! I mis-read that originally - I just thought he had a varied diet.
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The reserves beat Dunfermline 3-0. Goals from Gardyne, Pearson and Agathe.
Thommo played in the match but no Zurawski or Sutton.
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Gerry, no update on Keane, though I expect a fitness test might be due once he is in a condition to pass one. January I understand, is the earliest he can play.
As I said to Edward, I have never had a problem from a Rangers fan, but when other Celtic sites run aggressive stories about me, I get the most unbelievable hate mail.
Dessybhoy, the European Commission have backed out of their principle demand. All that matters now is how much Sky will be prepared to bid for the five against very limited opposition.
Remember, this has some months to go yet. I do not know what timetable Mr G. is working to.
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Great blog
Will go back to just reading after this post but it's obvious who Noel is.
Noel. As in French (continental) for Christmas.
90. 90 degrees North. The North Pole.
Obsessed with first post. The First Noel, the angels did sing.
He works when everyone else is sleeping.
Yes, Noel90 is Santa Claus.
Hi Santa
I've been very good, please can I have a treble and direct entry to the Champions league?
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DessyBhoy 4.36 Too late ;)
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Generational Domination.
Great name.
Things are coming together quite nicely on that front, don’t you think?
Welcome Bernard Shakey, happy to have you on board.
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Ottokaiser-I am not a burglar.
The Polar Bear-I do not have a paper round.
Ardoch-I am not a snowdropper.
Edward-I am not the-soon to be unemployed- flagmanat ibrox.
Travelbhoy-I am not a serial philanderer.
Scotcelt-I am not a geologist.
Bhoy O'Bhoy-I am definetly not a geriatric....yet.
General Domination-I have been Santa Claus but then again so has Stefan.....
noel.
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I know many Rangers fans who are embarrassed about the extreme right-wing propaganda and anti-Catholic, anti-Irish views that are the stock in trade of the Follow Follow message board.
Sadly, the people who run Footy Mad have almost always turned a blind eye to the excesses of Mark Dingwall and his zealots.
The outrageous death threat to Celtic's Neil Lennon has brought about a temporary closure of a shameful site that peddles unadulterated hatred.
Footy Mad have maybe taken the soft option by a blanket "old Firm" ban by also shutting down Come On The Hoops.
But I have very little sympathy with COTH having been banned by them for preaching against sectarianism and seen their branding of posters with any dissenting Celtic opinions as "huns."
COTH, sadly, have gone down the same road of intolerance as FF albeit not as far into the cesspit of crass confrontation...
Thank goodness for the sanity, reason, courtesy and intelligent debate that prevails on CQN.
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FF editor Mark Dingwall was very well known in his student days for his VERY right wing views. It would be good to think that he had matured and moderated over the years.
But his ilk are very clever at avoiding racial hatred laws and will no doubt put their collective experience of flouting and flirting with Race Relations Acts to bad use in avoiding the new anti-sectarian legislation.
Assuming Mr Dingwall has not changed his spots, he is a clever, but very misguided man. FF play with fire and they know exactly what they're up to. Don't stain your cookies. Keep well away!
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Edward-
if I did have a wee sideline putting up the flags at ibrox-
would you like to go to the next match against Celtic and see this flying from the stadium roof........
:P
noel.
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Can I make a request?
I suspect that there are a few people hurting following the closure of some web sites.
Lets not bring their debate here, as with it you bring some of their problems.
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Edward-
maybe this then ?
noel.
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Noel90 @ 5.37 Is there an Irish team visiting that day? I can't think on any other reason to fly it :-) Although not sure I would think it has been flown at Ibrox before, posibly for the visit of Shelbourne and strangely enough I'm sure I recall seeing a few when your own team visits though not I admit on the flagpole. Whatever job you do it doesn't take enough of your time :-)
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ok Edward my apologies.
what about this ?
noel.
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Noel,
Could you possibly be a noble member of our fire service?
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Edward-would you like one of these ?.......
noel.
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Noel90 @ 5.57 Ok you have me beat with that one, I can't ever recall it flying at Ibrox, though it would make a pretty impressive banner.
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Edward- ok-forget the banners.
How about we play with a ball like this ?
:P
noel.
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John H -
No.
But if I spend any more time on this pc Mrs90 is going to get me fired ....
its ok-I,ll get me own coat...
noel.
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the bouncy, a charmimg little practice glorying in the vicious killing of an innocent young adult in belfast
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It does not make it right noel, lets move on!
Any more word on the striker crisis?
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Is Noel the geezer who collects the weather data for dontbrattbakkinanger? Or is that just a red herring?
I'll get my string vest and suspenders!
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Bazza67 :- My apoligies, I would remove the post, but the little dustbin icon has vanished. as Noel90 pointed out and I would like to thank him for it, I wouldn't have posted it knowing the background. It was an attempt at a continuing bit of banter.
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Edward- I heard on the radio that this bloke was wanting to take his team to murray park before the World Cup....
noel.
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Edward, apologies accepted you are a gent on here and I would be v dissapointed if you in any way give credence to that horrible practice by referring to it in jest. I in no way believe you would mean anything by it and I have moved on
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Edward-
was that bloke not the same guy who signed this bloke ?
noel.
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edwardursus.
Who is your choice for manager of Rangers.
No pipedreams now!
Paul:
Who is the report you cite produced for or on behalf off and, can you point to previous examples of recommendations or findings being implemented.
NOEL:
Looks like we have another, who is that masked man episode,and again what have you done to supercelt....missing in action?
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JonG-
Supercelt posted here on sunday night after he returned home but he did cite work commitments/kids/Mrs supercelt as a reason for not being on CQN as much.
I,m pretty much in the same boat myself but as always I,m taking it to the limit.....
noel.
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I know where you're at old son.
I'm off for a wee while to watch the ManU game back later, in fact i'm KEANE to see it!
My coat is in my hand as we speak!
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Noel
Stop showing off. Firstly everyone wants to know waht you do, secondly, you are quite the wizards with your icons and pics, and finally, your missus lets you spend more time on cqn then mine lets me. Booooooooooooooo...
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Strange comment by Murray tonight..."if alex has to go then he knows who his successor is".
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Michael-
Its not that e a sssy !
This could be the first time in history that a website is cited as co-respondent in a divorce case.
Talking about showing off-anyone wanting a skwatch at my new
blog click here .
noel.
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Ok lads I dont want to tempt fate here but is it not going a little too much to plan, Gers dont look like they are going to make second they are prob going out of europe, They have a ageing high paid squad of flops. It all seems too good.
I mean could someone please tell me is it possible Murry will just bite the bullet put in a new manager and pump in 30 Million of his own money into the club, Its unlikely but hes put in his money before.
Is he able to do this?
On the EPL move will Rangers being so poor at the moment not have an effect on this. Celtic are a great club but surely the main selling point for the move was having the Glasgow Old firm in the EPL
Badger
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Hi Bhoys,
been off the boards for a week due to having attended a wonderful football match on Saturday thanks to my gem of a wee brother. The fact that he got in to see the game was a godsend. My team won 3.0 against their most BITTEREST rivals. A personal millstone removed after my last OF game being the 5.1 game at Ibrox. Phew ! I can breathe again. Celtic go 2 points clear, back to back drubbings. I can go to an OF game again.I am not a bad luck charm anymore. Thank you Eck.
Hail Hail
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Edward,
I hear the backroom staff have been doing their bit to inspire your team against Porto tomorrow night....
http://media.putfile.com/Ibrox-entertainment
Enjoy !
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Noel 90 :- from now on I'm pleading the 5th to your links, or perhaps a dignified "no comment" would suffice :-)
JohnG 7.05 :- I honestly couldn't say just now, the two candidates I was thinking on before this season, David Moyes and Jimmy Calderwood both seem to be vastly underachieving with their respective teams just now.
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I may have a bias but I reckon that Mr Murray has shown a clumsy touch lately.
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BhoyFaeTheMulk *.) greetings from a former denizen of the mulk or château de lait as I prefer to call it.. The way things are going just now that may well be an improvement. Is it just me or has the ancient sport of bear baiting been resurrected? or have I spent to long on the site and am now catching paranoia ;-)
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the bhoyfaethemulk-
was the wee guy 3rd from left-doing all the dancing-not that juuulyan sinclair from Scotssport SPL.
Edward- I think JonG was asking about your ideal manager now.
noel.
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Awe_Naw
Congratulations on getting rid of that millstone. I remember that it took me something like 13 attempts to see my first victory over Rangers. As someone whose Dad and uncles all remembered the late 60s and 70s I got no end of stick about being a jinx.
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Noel90 @ 8.20 A personal choice, I think we could do far worse than enquire into the situation at Man U, unlikely I'll grant, but you did ask for an ideal choice.
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richard-7.27-
where did you see that ?
noel.
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JonG.
thanks for your concern mate. Unfortunatly Noel90 was right regarding my absence. That and the mother of all hangovers yesterday due to over indulgence at the weekend and about 12 hours sleep 1n 2 days.
Some supporters at the weekend were wishing we could play that pub team every week, not me.
I would have to book myself in the priory with so much celebrating!
8:32 PM
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Edward
David Moyes not a hope in hell, Jimmy Calderwood I could only wish and as for Mr Ferguson your club burned its bridges with him many moons ago.
You will need to re adjust your sights my friend
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Martinobhoy,
I went to the 5.1 game with my big brother who also lives abroad, so it was especially painful.
I did do the decent thing though and officially removed the jinx off of my back and onto my brothers after the game on Saturday. Obviously all these years in between had nothing to do with me :-)
Brother Walfrid may not be proud of my actions however but he never had any difficulties getting a brief for the OF game. Its a game of numbers. Sorry Bruv
Hail Hail Aiden Mc Geadie
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Evening All
Noel
The statement was release by the Mint to the Press Association in response to Co Adriannse saying he was approached by rangers and Celtic last season. Think he's at the mind games with eck.
As much as I hate Hugh Heavings he made BFDJ read the statement out twice on radio snide to a dumb orc who could not understand the statement, it had to be heard to be believed.
Is anyone watching the Barcelona game? Is it me or will no one pass to the King? Guily just had to square the ball for a tap in and he chipped it wide, looked quite deliberate. Is Klos in goal for Bremen (see 2nd goal)
Noel - do you work in the print industry? (not red tops)
CaltonTongues
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USABhoy 8.39 :- I know we wouldn't get someone of the calibre of Sir Alex, and have alluded to such in previous posts. In this particular case I was pressed for an ideal answer and that's why I named him. As for Mr Moyes and Mr Calderwood I already said I wouldn't want them. I would disagree though with your assertion that Mr Moyes would be not a hope in hell, I feel if we were to make a determined effort for him we would get him, but again reiterate I wouldn't want him.
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Noel90
After Co Arriaanse said he was offered the rangers job a year ago Murray released a statement tonight, saying Adriaanse was playing mind games . BFDJ read it out tonight. In that statement Murray said big eck knows who will replace him. IF he is replaced!!! All at radio snide were in shock.
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Edward
I must have missed you saying you would not want them, apologies there.
I have to say that having given the matter a lot of thought myself I struggle to come up with a name that could do the neccessary ... rather you than me :)
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richard81, a strange comment indeed. The bigger issue for me, however, is how David Murray is able to use the BBC to manage the media agenda on the Rangers' managerial situation.
Indeed, this was clearly the quid pro quo for "granting" Chick Young (could that wee turd have been any more sychophantic?) his "exclusive" interview last week.
This simply should not be allowed to happen.
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Does Noel work for this
LOT?
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"This as good as it gets" Superintendent Robin Howe, the deputy match commander at Saturdays OF game.
http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/lo/features/7020842.html
Sorry about the lazy journalism
Hail Hail Neil Lennon
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JonG, the report an annual effort on behalf of Birkbeck College and Grant Thornton. No recommendations, though they make lots of observations that would have no relevance to our discussions.
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The King just scored 3-1. Hate his 'poofy' white boots though!
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Memory lane 20 Nov 1976
Hearts 3-4 Celtic
Gibson 3 Lennox McDonald Glavin Dalglish
Willie Gibson of Hearts became one of the few players to have scoreda hat trick against Celtic. Hearts led 3-2 at half time but a storming second half saw Celtic win with a spectacular bicycle kick from Glavin. The goals were shown on BBC Sportscene last season and the football still looked good.
On the following Wednesday Celtic won 1-0 at Ibrox with THAT goal from Joe Craig. Only blot was a terrible broken leg suffered by Bobby Lennox at the hands of the white Pele himself, John Greig. It's worth pointing out that this incident was in the penalty area and we got a corner (!!??)
Celtic team = Latchford McGrain Lynch Stanton McDonald Aitken Doyle Glavin Craig Dalglish Lennox.
Not a bad forward line there.
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Edward 8:20pm,
Bear baiting not intended - just thought you might need a little something to cheer you up during (what I assume) are dark and dismal days for you and your team
toujours regardez du côté lumineux de la vie (as they say in Chateau au Lait )
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St Anthony
I was at ibrox that night standing at the corner flag near the incident. The ref actually gave Celtic a penalty until he noticed the linesman flagging Lennox offside. It was the correct decision although rangers 'greatest ever clugger' should have been red carded.
CaltonTongues
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What about this brilliant description of the Forces of Darkness from a 1920s edition of the Glasgow Observer ?
“On the Rangers terracing on Saturday there was congregated a gang, thousands strong, including the dregs and scourings of filthy slumdom, unwashed yahoos, jailbirds nighthawks, won't works, burro-barnacles and pavement pirates, all, or nearly all, in the scarecrow stage of verminous trampdom. This ragged army of insanitary pests was lavishly provided with orange and blue remnants.... Practically without cessation, the vagabond scum kept up a strident howl of the "Boyne Water" chorus. Nothing so bestially ignorant has ever been witnessed, even in the wildest exhibitions of Glasgow Orange bigotry……”
The reporter went on to describe the behaviour of the Celtic fans.
“These complaints do not apply to the Celtic brake-clubs (supporters' clubs) whose members, reasonable sentient human beings, are models of decorum and possess official testimonials to their blameless behaviour.....They are fond of singing, and to this no-one can reasonably object. On Saturday, the boys sang to their heart's content. They gave us so many rousing choruses. "Hail Glorious St. Patrick", "God Save Ireland", "Slievenamon" "The Soldier's Song".... When Cassidy's goal made victory sure, it was fine to hear the massed thousands at the western end of the Ibrox oval chanting thunderously "On Erin's Green Valleys'."
No lazy journalism in those days, eh?
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Just watched the Man-u game ,they could do with a Roy Keane type of player :-).
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Sean South
Are you sure that wasn't the Scottish Catholic Observer?
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Sean South, where did you dig that up from? As they say in the east end - plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose. N'est ce pas?
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great stough sean south!
one thing I always noticed from Reading Roy Keane's book was his attention to the tempo of the game in a European environment. When to slow the game down and to speed it up for maximum effect. That is what Manchester United failed to do tonight, that is what Roy Keane can bring to a club. Nearly priceless!!! As if anything is priceless anymore!!!
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