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http://s64.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=3O3QR3N4D0WQM1QMCMGPRRELWV
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what a first comment.
get it up you noel.
a classic,
even when we lost 1 game .
Paul come on if ever there was a first post that deserved an award that is it?
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http://x100.putfile.com/videos/b5-9906583912.wmv
anyone like king kenny?
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Spot on Paul,
as you've said on many posts before, we're a side in transition! Today wasn't good, but it answered questions we've all been asking regading the so called old guard!
To listen to some of the fans in the pub I saw the game in today, you'd think we were the team in 4th place! A Fergus reality check is required by one or two of the posters on this site!
Hail! Hail!
SC
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It may be the drink, but sometimes I just can’t be bothered with the narrow minded short term vision that exists among our support.
Perhaps it takes someone to shout and not just pay lip service to the title of the greatest fans in the world!
Well here I am I and this is my shout.
All of you great Celtic Supporters who have on the basis of one bad day at the office decided that Strachan is a waste of time, that we should take everyone out and put them in front of the firing squad and that Thomson, Sutton, Hartson, Petrov, and Lennon are no more than we deserve, should look at there own souls and then say that next week against the Dons that no one will sing louder at Pittodrie than me, no one will carry our dignity better than me, and most of all no one will ever dream of booing those lads who whatever their failings, wear that magical set of colours known as the hoops.
Otherwise what are we?
Just another football club?
Your choice!
Hail Hail
Estadio
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Today's result reinforces my long held(and previuosly stated) view that we are now in the position of considering 'who from our available forward line can partner Shaun |Maloney'?.
I've also cast my vote in favour of Beattie and Macij. Time to wave goodbay to Sutton because he's a spent force and also Hartson because he is worth more financially than his contribution on the park.I feel a bit odd saying that due to his goal tally of late but nonetheless he is worth quite a bit of ££ and can be replaced from existing resources.
Thommo - cheerio and take Camara with you so you can argue outside Parkhead. Telfer - goodbye - you nust consider yourself a very lucky guy. How many people at 34 with his talent get to feature regularly in the hoops? Not many which is why we are a great team with real pedigree. If we had allowed more Telfers and Camaras we'd be a Motherwell or a Kilmarnock.
Which is why I think the fans have a right to boo at the end of defeats against the Dunfermlines of this world. The team did not deliver the required performance that our history dictates is acceptable.
No castigation for WGS - I see this as a lesson to be learned.The lesson is OLD CELTIC FAIL AGAIN - spot on Paul.
As far as I'm concerned we may be top of the league but we've had nothing much to beat - we need to win and improve this season as winning alone will be poor preparation for some of the real tests we will face next year in Europe.
Tomorrow will be a draw - I hope although the outcome is really quite irrelevant.
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Estadio, i will not be there,
if there is one man that i would give my voice to, then you r that man.
Will be watching on setanta but i know that you and the rest of the bhoys will show how to support the hoops.
'IN ESTADIO WE TRUST!'
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how much would you pay for this man right now?
10 mil at least.
Thank ghod for wee shaun & aiden.
http://media.putfile.com/lubo
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Can anyone help? Created my own blog1 and since then the font size for all blogger sites has increased to john merrick preportions! Help Me, startin to wonder whether I need these glasses or not....
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I preferred CQN when it was in size 10 font, now that its in size 20....Im not so sure.......
Did we become as compacent as last season when we beat TFOD and then took a doing from Hibs? Just asking!
Peat
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"Looking back, I wish he had gone in the summer of 2004 after such a wonderful season. His reputation unblemished by the decay of last season. Fate robbed him of the opportunity to build another great team, which I am sure he would have"
Spot on P.
Speaking to a man tonight who has experience first hand of working under both MON and WGS the words were "if MON was given 10 years with Celtic he would have won the European Cup"
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Complacent by the way. not even sure if compacent is a word.
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When I saw the team... disappointed yes...Frustrated that Channel 67 did not provide the substitutes either...Wonder what Leishman thought when he saw the teamsheet...?
A "Team" must possess among other things.. Understanding and Confidence.....It seems to me that was lacking, particularly on the left...Sorry but Alan Thompson does not seem to inspire confidence in Camara...I watched Camara making some wonderful defensive tackles recently ...He has been enjoying his work....Today he played like a man deferring to a senior and more experienced pro....He was at sixes and sevens and I put that down to Thompson...
I believe that this was exploited by Dunfermline who were clearly up for it and had no fear......Why? Cause Leishman saw the team sheet and thought what many of us felt...
Nevertheless....Still top...and I know that in GS we have an intelligent manager who learns from experience..
I was very disappointed by the 'apparent' remarks by Pearson earlier in the week...His absence suggests this was true...Shame that he could have made a difference...Has the bhoy nae sense...? Or just one of importance...
KTF
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Like many I thought this would be a walk in the park. Then you hear the team sheet...
It was like a bad flash back to last year.
If this doesn't emphasise that the Old Guard are unable and/or unwilling - I don't know what will.
Also, WGS please give us full backs that are worthy of the Hoops.
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Paul,
Strong words yes, but lack of commitment from the Bhoys in the Hoops I cannot take.
Having calmed down now I will have a better perspective on things. The manager has had it confirmed that the old team just cant be put together, not even for a supposedly easy game. He will continue his January and summer player change out game plan with even more fervour.
I have never booed the team and never will. I have never roasted a player at a game and never will.
The silver lining is that this will be a wakeup call for the team and certain players in particular.
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Estadio, while you were talking on CQN, I was talking on Rhyme and Reason.
Not wired for sound at the moment Supercelt.
A large broadcaster has been in touch regarding people posting links to match videos. Anyone posting and/or hosting video is being watched, possibly not worth the lawyers fees (which get to £20k before you even get to court).
A good friend, indeed, more than that, a paying customer, has a Hibs blog, if you have a moment, send him best wishes for tomorrow.
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Evolve or DIE
Paul67 well put. As I watched the game I commented you can't teach old dogs new tricks.
Thinking it through I considered two possibilities for the poor performance. Either the combination of these players are able to appear to play the quick game in training therefore WGS set out the plan to such. OR, they don’t play the fast game well in training either - So a different approach was needed but not applied - perhaps the long ball (would have been more likely to score from that, this is based on we could not be less likely). It was oil and water, the old guard and the new plan did not mix.
Based on such a poor, poor display could we not have brought in a couple of reservists to play the beautiful game rather than trying to make a silk purse from the proverbial sow ear. Were we the only people to see they would not play the ‘New Celtic’ way?
Probably the worse aspect was the lack of desire. I could see from the line up creativity and pace were not options. The question in my mind was ‘what was it creativity and pace traded for’? Passion?..….No, Warm bodies?..…Yes.
Anyway in my mind strategy and capabilities were incongruous, SIMPLE. So did the players let the manger down or did he not see in training that the game plan needed to be adapted to the resources available?
Evolve or DIE ………….and that applies to both sides of the equation
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Paul,
agree with your sentiments. Before the game couldn't work out whether it was a good or bad thing to be missing the young lhads- Maloney, Beattie- it's disappointing they weren't able to play, but this season, as opposed to last, at least we have alternatives to the old guard.
Unfortunately the new guys were also missing, and that just compounded the misery.
However, we seem to have "got away with it" as Hearts dropped points too, but as already commented by others, it MUST have answered a whole number of questions, and some of them very hard questions.
All in all, so disappointing after the last few weeks, but there are positives to be taken from this. Let's hope they're taken!!!
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Lets not be too disrepectful of the old guard, after all tbey have done for us!
This is merely (correct spelling?) a hiccup on our way to the golden fleece! Every team has to lose, just ask Arsene Wenger. The bhoys, especially the new bhoys, will learn from this defeat and make amends in the next game!
Call me an optimist, well ok, just call me a fool, but I do believe that we are still on the cusp of "something wonderful", to quote an old Shamen track from back in the day!
Keep the peace!
Peat
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SuperCelt.
You are a special supporter!
I will sing a verse of 'to play football the Glasgow Celtic way' in your honour!
Could some of the more depressed among us, please remind me of why all of a sudden being top of the league is such a terrible slight on the our gladiatorae extraordinaire (Latin and French all in one phrase - obviously the Catholic School upbringing).
My memory may be clouded by the fog of senility but didn't we blow 3 times a lead last year of 7, 12, and 8 points and then on the last day of the season squandor a title which by all accounts none of the critics on here give any credence to!
But here we are after a terrible start (a Draw at Motherwewll and a loss at the home of of Glasgow Stunted Intellects)
Give me a break!
Today was bad, but there will be a thousand great days and then in your hearts, your souls and probably in your DNA will be found the formula for why we are Celtic Supporters.
Spread not only the word but also the dream and that sudden urge of adrenaline that moistens our eyes, and shouts from the rooftops
'we are indeed not only special, but also privileged'.
Hail Hail
Estadio
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Paul I think everyone will agree this
Not wired for sound at the moment Supercelt.
is a sad excuse for not giving out prizes.
Loving the blog as always.
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Please help me. Its all getting too much!
Down font size, down bhoy....
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Hi all
Today's performance had all the hallmarks of the worst of last season.
Players without either the inclination or desire to help out their team mates and therefore do what they are meant to do win games.
I really thought GS had turned this attitude around but clearly he has not.They know who they are but why are they still there?Big contracts that are cripiling us with performances that are useless and if they are honest they will recognise that as being fact.
My advice to GS dont take a chance on chancers who you know are not part of your plans.
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Dessyhhoy,
have faith, its what we've got in abundance!
Peat
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Very diplomatic, Paul. Words can't express how I feel after watching this afternoon's performance. It was a very serile experience; a mixture of shock and horror.
I've just joined the thread and have no idea of what has been written since the final whistle this afternon; but all I will say is that today's performance was abject in the extreme.
The (and foremost) law of the jungle is never, NEVER, give your adversory a second chance.
Today was sloppy, amateurish and totally unprofessional. Unfortunately, somebody has to carry the can for this.....................
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Peat Blog
This tests your faith to the limit.
They have a seriously hard game tomorrow on paper and we again fail to deliver.Seen it to many times with these faces.
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p.s. would a team that included Roy Keane have gone down one nil to Dunfermline Athletic???
Errrrr.... where on earth would we play him in our team of world-beaters????????????????????
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Dessy,
keep the faith. No point in gettin twitchy when 12 points ahead!
Ever the optimist
Your friend
Peat
P.S - Hibs 1, TFOD 1
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Peat
Hibs 2 TFOD 0
Thats my point.
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12 points ahead of the forth threat...
We have to believe that BIG positives will out of this BIG negative. Has it given things a bit of perspective?
Of course it has.
With this team at the mo, and the asperations that you, and me, have > can we possibly do without RK and his Euro exp.
Crystal Ball!?
Mines no workin'
Its Metal
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Paul,
I have a different take on MON. I think he was human, and like ALL coaches, had limitations. He brought us some of the best days of our lives, and I thank him for that. I don't think, however, that he could have built us another great team.
He was successful with a certain type of player. Our youth system was not producing that type of player. We could no longer afford to buy that type of player. Nor did he have the skills to develop what he had into that type of player.
No, it was time to move on.....
My regret from his time with us, is that he did not win 5 in a row. He deserved to, and by a finger nail, he would have.
I travelled from Canada to Seville, ticket in hand and spent one of the finest weeks of my life in that fair city. Martin will always be special.
But his time had passed, and I have no regrets that we are building something new. I doubt it will be as successful as his team. But it is our team, and it will lead us down an interesting path.
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couldnt agree more paul
I hate to see my team celtic lose but its in the manner we lost it that pisses me off the most
I was looking at celtic two seasons ago and now they are slower and cant get the ball in the net!!!
Was anyone else just trying to find the words to describe what mistakes were going own. It was like watching a really slow car crash, We went 1 down, I actually thought about the united game and felt quite relaxed because I knew dumfer would close shop and I knew our fast passing play would open them up.
So I waited .................................... and waited........
But no after 20 mins it became clear that we had all traveled on a time machine to 2 seasons ago with thomo Booting it in to the Box, He looked like he was looking for Larsson!!
So why didnt it work, OK lets say strachan looked at the players he had and thought this team got to the Uefa cup final lets try and play Martins style of football
Are the pars a new team?
founded yesterday?
Any fan of football not even Spl teams knows that celtic spent a season battering the ball into the box to big bad john so as you could guess I wasnt to shocked that He and Sutton were manned by most of the team.
Not putting blame on Hartson who had for him not a really bad game, I can remember at least 4 times the ball was given to suttons head and hartson pulled away from his defender looking for a head down and a tap in but sutton went for the net everytime.
I was so pissed off because flairs of the team style we have been playing under strachan were there, and everytime we did play 2 mins of it we were passing rings round them! then McGeady passes to Thomo who lobs it yet again to hartson who is now wearing Three players
Hartson is worth a goal at least and he has pulled it out of the hat for us so many times but its when it looks like the only way to score thats when we know we have a problem.
All credit to the pars they played exactly how they planned too(get an early goal and close shop).
IMHO Strachan did try and play the old style with an unfit Sutton and no Larsson, everyone was lobbing it into the box AND NOT PLAYING F***ing football, which they showed they can do, Naka shows he is the needle to our thread with his absense today.
Strachan at Half time knew that the Long ball Martin style wasnt working so he tried to get more direct footy going, subs Zurawski(direct player) Pearson (Direct player) but it was too late. This style should have been shouted to the players after the first goal.
Petrov and McGeady should have played much more central and ran at the defence + BBJ should have been off for Zurawski just to take the long ball out cause it didnt even slighty look like working.
Celtic will lose games in a season we will have days like today were passes dont match up balls dont get to the player they are aimed and shots at goal dont hit target.
My point is IF celtic played the STYLE we were playing and played with the slightist of direct passing football and we lost fair enough we wont win every game we should but lets not lose games to poor tactics and bad style.
Badger
Ps motm for me Boruc great save,was up in the box trying to score himself,good will to win
we were robbed for that pen.
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Should we win every game then?
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Peat Blog, away and hug some trees. You really don't get it.
If we really have desires to challenge in Europe, you don't wilt to a one nil home defeat against DUNFERMLINE ATHLETIC.
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PG - what is your question?
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10:50 PM, tinytim said…
Mr Strachan spent £7million in the summer to obtain todays standard.
Fast flowing football? Me thinks not.
Mr. Tinytim - what are you talking about?!?! Of the reputed £7m how much was spent on the players who were playing today? £1m max!
And Wallace wasn't on the bench, I can only imagine that he is unfit to play.
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Fair enough, we should win every gane then........
No room for error!
Supporting football and playing football is a thin line.
I want Celtic to win every game, but its the recovery that makes you a true supporter!
Peat
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gane=game
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GM - Anger is Anger is ANGER. The only person u wisl pis off is yourself...
Not getting to PhyscOloIgal aboot it - what are WE going to do about it?
gET Behind the light
Who are these boo'ers that boo their team??????
Anyhow
Cap is doff'd to everyone in CP tonight that had the ache'y shoodrs whilst clapping for a minute to the Georgie B
Rest In Peace George
Peace
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NIFF,
correct.
Support your team through thick and thin, Good and bad decisions.....
So what, we got beat of Dunfermilne today, would you rather we got beaten last weekend?
Get a grip!
Peat
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HeHe - whats yer gane share
Sorry
I asked the Q about your Q because we should of course have the attitude that we should win every game.
Thin line with a thick wedge i fear!
Big Johnny H is away at the end of this season by the way!
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NIFF,
you were not the target of my hostility!
apologies
Peat
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Peat
No apologies required!
Neither is hostility ~ to yir fellow tim (whoever ir was)!
MTH
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Still dont think we should be arrogant enough to think we should win every game....
Lets leave that to wee Barry....
"the next game is our most important of the season".......
Fill in the dates......
Peat
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Pride comes before a fall.....
I.ll hold off on the knee jerks right now though.
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My point is that we have to gout with the attitude that we are going to win every game.....
as you should..
whether it be barcelona, real madrid...
da dar a
you know the rest
fk wee barry
dont worry about them - their shhee'ite gorillas
where r we going?
on and up!
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Hi Paul,
While I understand your sentiment with reference to Mr O'Neil, the possible repercussions of such a move may well have had a negative effect on the club. Who would have taken over, would the new manager be able to motivate the team of last year, or if deciding to go down the present route would the young players now staking their place be capable of this last year, I don't meant to cast any disparagement on the younger players, my lack of knowledge of them makes that a genuine enquiry, I'm not disagreeing with you as I lack the knowledge of how Celtic were prepared for such circumstances last year but thought it an angle I hadn't seen mentioned.
On your 1.16 post I hope you don't mind if I don't acquiesce to your request :-)
If I may make an observation on the booing debate, many of you say it isn't the Celtic way, from the number of complaints I would say it is, not only the Celtic way but the way of the football crowd, it will put up with many things but when enough begin to feel that the players aren't putting in the effort the boos start
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Firstly
I would like to say the his name is Martin O'Neill (Mr).
Secondly
I would like to ask - What?
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I just watched the highlights on Fox Soccer TV. Wish I had not seen it. I had just about calmed down. Now I am off to bed in a strop.
Read my earlier posting for my thoughts on todays game >>>'Evolve or DIE'>>>>
Reading elsewhere that we may skate by till the end of the season with no new additions......Virgo to Livi on loan?
Kojo, Virgo to Livi? Did Lambert also see 'The Video'? Any whispers audible enough? Is the parabolic mic directed such that you can tip a wink?
Kojo did you ever hear what was in that envelope? Hope you had a good Thanksgiving and la familia es buena.
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Nighty night Kights of Celtica. See you round the round table Sunday - I seek refuge now in my kip. Hope to awake to great howling from Easter Road. I think a draw will do.
What happens to a dream deferred?
Does it dry up
like a raisin in the sun?
Or fester like a sore--
And then run?
Does it stink like rotten meat?
Or crust and sugar over--
like a syrupy sweet?
Maybe it just sags
like a heavy load.
Or does it explode?
Time for the Lil' Admiral to slap some chains on those mutineers, toss ‘em in the brig. Keel-hauling would be too good for them. Also that sextant may need to be recalibrated Admiral.
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After 44 seconds of yesterday's match, Alan Thompson lost possession in the middle of the park and Dunfermline moved upfield. Two Celtic players broke up the attack at the expense of a corner. Alan managed to amble back into defence just in time for the corner to be taken.
One minute later, Neil Lennon was kicked off the ball by Ian Ross at the touchline in front of the referee. In other games I have watched in the past this has resulted in a very soft but legitimate red card. The overweight shiny official asked Ross to calm down.
After these two incidents, just two minutes into the game, I knew we were in trouble.
Last Saturday night our so-called greatest rivals were lying in a very deep open grave. All that was required was for someone to pick up a shovel and start the burial
On Wednesday our so-called greatest rivals only sat up in their grave. Yesterday we threw down a rope ladder. Today I think they will climb out.
Once again our club has failed to hammer home its opportunities to establish clear distance between ourselves and all other scottish clubs (and I am not talking about points in the SPL here). If the roles were reversed, Celtic would be dead and buried - no way would we have won 2 leagues from 4.
Celtic lost at home to an injury ravaged Dunfermline yesterday. We failed our easiest test of the season. As a result Celtic have just made ALL of our remaining fixtures 25% harder. Teams now know they have a chance against us again.
I have the misfortune to sit near some people who (probably by reading the rags) think Nakamura "doesn't do enough" in matches. I let rip into them yesterday. Yesterday's events prove our creative focus is based on two fast men - Maloney (legs) and Nakamura (brain). What are the chances that these two guys will be very tightly marked from now on?
Finally to WGS - I was a critic at the start of the season, but have been impressed by his conduct since. However he showed his limitations yesterday with three classic cliches from the British Football Manual of Managerial Bollocks:
- The notebook. Copious notes written as if this is going to make a difference during game time
- Give it an hour. Zurawski started warming up at 59 minutes 30 seconds. If things are not working why wait an hour?
- My personal favourite. If Plan A fails try Plan A with different people. Zurawski for Thompson was the correct substitution if he played up front with CS & JH. Instead, Chris drops into midfield and the shape of the team remains unchanged
Perhaps we are all over-reacting here, but I remember reading ternar's words last week about how carried away we were getting (myself included). Events dear boy .... Events.
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MIH results out. 565 mill debt according to The Scotsman newspaper.
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Paul,
You have put rather more eoquently what I posted immediately after the game yesterday. We cannot allow Thompson, Sutton and Hartson in the team together. Not just do they badly affect the way the team plays, it even puts off Petrov, Lennon and MacGeady. Stan was back to outside right at times. I thought last season was a bad memory. It jumped up and bit us yesterday.
My only question: why did Mr Strachan field those 3 together? Surely it wasn't the injury situation?
By the way, waht are your thoughts on MIH's accounts?
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Ok ladies and gentleman. In the cold light of morn, I see no need to change the opinions I formed after ten minutes of the game yesterday.
The good news is that we lost for reasons that are specific to the personnel we used. There is no point debating the fact that MON and his way of playing has gone for good. Equally WGS is the man now and he has gone down a totally different road.
It is no surprise to see Sutton, Hartson, Lennon and Thompson struggling. For Hartson - yes he scores a lot, but then so would anyone in a WGS team. Unfortunately EVERY player has to be mobile. Sorry John - you aint. Sutton - maybe it's a combination of age, injuries, being played in the wrong position with the wrong front man alongside, but he is now supernumerary. His character makes him look disinterested. His actions show he is a man for another team or partner.
Lennon - this team is not his team. He has none of the attributes we need for a WGS fast paced attacking team. Thompson - sad. Very sad. I think back to Stuttgart away when his loss through injury gutted the team. Now he is an alien in an environment of WGS's making. Again - sorry Thommo - sic transit gloria mundi.
The future lies with inter alia Boruc, Magic, Beattie, Naka, Maloney, Petrov, McGeady, Du Wei, McManus, Virgo, O'Brien, Wallace and a host of youngsters chapping at the door. The plan is for clear mobility and quickness of thought.
Watch the U19s and hug yourself with glee at those who will bless our Stadium in years to come. They won't all make it, but enough will, to give Celtic a golden future.
Many players yesterday were dragged back to a level we had not seen for a while. Petrov and McGeady in particular. When the players around you have a slowness of thought that is stultifying, you do not have the wherewithal on a whole team basis to drag them up to your level.
On the one hand I was raging yesterday, but it was the anger of impotence. I could not make four immediate changes to the team, so the 90 minutes had to be endured. At the end it was plain for all to see that the illness was acute, the symptoms horrifying, but the cure at hand. A look at the pages on the Celtic website for players evidences that.
In the coming months we will quickly forget this game. It showed a failure in personnel rather than philosophy or system. WGS plays his cards close to his chest but he is not stupid or blind. We move closer to the farewell party for the old guard.
I was privileged to have seen them in their pomp, but new leading men wait in the wings.
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Edward, you are correct, if we appointed a new manager a year ago he would have faced a huge task – but we lost the league anyway, and endured watching some awful football.
If we had started the rebuild a season earlier we would have been further down the line now.
Scanbhoy. I told you the would be “spectacular” didn’t I?
Parkheadcomesalford, I have not had time to digest the MIH accounts yet, and I and ‘being godfather’ today to new member of the family Aiden, so will not have time today, but this is smack bang in the middle of my ‘worst case scenario’ figure.
As I have also said all season, by looking at Rangers we see all we need to know about the finances at the holding company.
A generation of domination is on the cards, you mark my words.
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Paul67
Agree with you 100% on your post, the only thing I would blame WGS for yesterday was keeping Sutton on the park for 90 minutes, I think it is the worst game he has ever played for us, topped off by his sitter of a header! I am sure WGs will not hesitate in future to play the younger guys in the squad. 1 blip does not spoil a season, as long as we learn from it.
davybhoy
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http://www.sundayherald.com/53042
Sunday Herald seem to think MIH results are good news?
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BBC to screen CIS Cup semis live
BBC Scotland will screen both CIS Insurance Cup semi-finals live.
Favourites Celtic face Motherwell at Hampden Park, Glasgow, on Wednesday 1 February, with a 1945GMT kick-off.
Dunfermline Athletic have a chance to avenge Saturday's league defeat when they play Livingston at Easter Road, Edinburgh, on Wednesday 25 January.
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My fear is WGS failed to learn from his previous mistake against Hearts. He dropped Maloney for Thommo and left us with similar problems to yesterday. I realise this time we had the need for a change forced on us due to injury, but I'd rather have Pearson or Wallace instead of Thommo and anything other than the two big guys up front. I'm of the opinion that Thommo is finished. He seems to be at war with himself, unable to pull out any kind of performance. However, the abuse he took from the stands yesterday was nothing short of a scandal, and how is that going to help someone find some form? I personally thought Telfer was our worst man and although he suffered a lot of moaning, didn't get anywhere near the abuse dished out as Thommo had.
The other thing about WGS that bothered me was his use of subs. Someone has already touched on the fact that he was late in making the first one, but I felt Agathe would surely have made a difference as Telfer was terrible yesterday. We now know that Agathe is out in January or the summer. If he can't be trusted to come on in a performance like that, he never will be.
The referee's refusal of the penalty (looked one where I was sitting - want to see it on TV tho as Mick didn't argue much), plus only 3 minutes of added time, despite the trainer being on 5 times and the use of 5 subs (which is 2:30 alone) was just what you'd expect, but no excuse whatsoever.
In the earlier post, I wasn't having a go Paul, just annoyed about the clear complacency and apathy amongst the support yesterday, which meant when the team really needed something, nobody could be arsed to sing or shout (other than abuse at selected players and boos at the end). The result we'll get over. It adds a bit of pressure for Pittodrie on Sunday, but that's all. It'll take me longer to get over the supposed great "support" we have's lack of heart.
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I think the die is cast for the old guard, contemptious and complacent.
Buy/persuade/kidnap Roy Keane, Celtic lost through "state of mind" as each player fielded was above and beyond their Dunfermline counterparts regards skill and guile.
More pacey minded players in in Jan? Hope so.......
Hail Hail
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Roy Keane is not the answer...pacey players yes, Roy Keane no.
Alan Thompson seems to be a common denominator in every recent poor display and result, surely his time must be up. We are crying out for one more decent midfield player. It's unrealistic to expect Nakamura to carry the only creative threat for an entire season, but that's where we are at the moment. Rudi Skacel, Paul Hartley, Kevin Thompson?
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HamptonTim
Roy Keane IS the answer. I fail completely to understand the mentality that denies that RK is world class. Here's an open secret that people may not quite be grasping when they think with their heart and not their head. RK could walk into any top class club in the world but according to some of my Celtic brethren he's past it and not good enough for Celtic..........wakey wakey, get him signed up now and if he's as "crap" as some think/know/wish dump him (doh!).
Imagine the dressing room chit chat that would be going on if he were in the team and that performance occured?? All posters on here have a valid opinion however, the heroic athletes that are the Celtic FC players don't listen to you, they are inspired from within.
If ever there was a case for RK's appointment then this was it. If he is not signed he is not signed so be it, its not the end of the world but at least don't be accused of shortsightedness.
Celtic, regardless of success or failure shall prevail......
Hail Hail
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Only occasional poster but avid readers of this blog; love the optimism but of late so many contributors are getting carried away. Some of the recent stuff, i.e. pre yesterday, borders on triumphallism IMHO. Anyway, to yesterday. Leave off work 5:15, intention is to make my way home to change and then onto Dubliner’s for the 7:00 (local time) kick off. Stuck in traffic on the Sheikh Zayed Rd, (no time to change to don the emerald garb, so tell cab driver straight to Dub’s. OK so it’s just Celtic Telly but hey, adds to the atmosphere), make it with minutes to spare and you know when the portends are not right, well that was the feeling yesterday, 1hr 45mins to get 45Km, predictions of 7-0 – get real, team selection, hardly any colours in the pub and less than 20 turned up to watch, pitiful, when considering we had +150 for each of the games v TFOD…………expats at their worst!……………Rambling now…….back to the main point about how good we really are……some might not like this cold water being poured on the flames but really it is not just about the Old Guard! Again, in IMHO, the majority of the new signings just do not cut mustard and are not good enough to be wearing the hoops. Sure, they are 'tryers' and I really do not like to slaughter/single out individuals playing for the Tic but have to agree in the main with an earlier poster. Of the new signings, only Shunske, Majic and Artur are of the desired quality.
Present squad is certainly good enough to win SPL but if we really do have ambitions to achieve in Europe then unfortunately we do not have the class of extended personnel to support Messrs Maloney, Nakamura, Zurawski, Petrov, and Boruc. Mind you, we’ve never had the good fortune to be in a low level group such as ‘they’ are in and probably poised to qualify from but that then raises the issue……..wait and see the humbling defeats to follow (follow) and I feel that a similar fate would befall our present crop. Not a pessimist ……..a realist……..good job I don’t post too often eh!
Appreciation to (nearly) all contributors to this blog……...some of the stuff is humorous, knowledgeable, entertaining and spirited. Wonder how much work doesn’t get done because of CQN…….Know that if I was to post equivalent time as I read, there would be little point in leaving or even going to work. Really is addictive! Regards & Hail Hail…….TBM.
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I've gone right off that teddy sheringham, did you read what he said about us? The ignorant disrespectful ****.
Keane no Keane no.
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Yesterday was a total shocker with absolutely nothing new learned.
IMO we already knew that AT is not up to the job of keeping the ball moving.
We knew Sutton and Hartson do not go together
We have played a style of football recently about possession and movement.Yesterday there was nothing.
Prior to the game against a team with a small squad , many injuries and bottom of the league I thought a comfortable win was on the cards.
When I heard the team ,I ( and my fellow 4 Tims in the car)all changed the 4-0 predictions to a 2-0 slog.
How wrong we were about the score but not the performance.
This may look like typical doom and gloom after a bad home defeat but in a way it could work out to be a blessing in disguise.
The complaceny of the fans ( including myself)and players alike will surely be banished for a time.
In saying that I still think we will win the league by about 10 points.
Does anyone else out there think the goal we lost has been coming recently?I don't think we defend set pieces well at all.
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Ardoch
"Keane no Keane no" why-o why-o? What reason do you say no? Remember a thoughtful answer not an empassioned answer I need to understand your objective reasoning and not you subjective reasoning. The man is legend and still capable of a year or two so why not. Please don't refer to the "he's always injured" nonsense, even injured I think he is inspirational and that is what we lack........in spades!
Hail Hail
PS Teddy Sheringham is only playing the old reverse psychology card. I would hae if I were he!
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I have posted my reasons on here several times baba, and really cannot be bothered going into them again. Lets just say even legends lose their gloss eventually, and true legends are not thugs.
Sorry Noel! :o)
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Ardoch
I strongly disagree with you, especially the "thug" part however, as a "brother" I respect your opinion.
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No Bread, No Cakes
you are a legend and I am a fool!
Peat
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It was bad. No question about it.
Sutton & Thompson, barely going through the motions,surprises me. I would have thought they had a lot to be grateful to Celtic for, as we have to them. The two full backs are Gordon's version of the Emperor's New Clothes. The funny thing is that some supporters have been telling us that they can ACTUALLY SEE THEM. In a way I am not unhappy at yesterday's rude awakening. There is nothing worse than self delusion.And it could not have happened at a better time.Our title hopes are the same today as yesterday.
Can anyone tell me DEFINITIVELY why Didier Agathe is not being used, whatever his long term future
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A big heartfelt congratulations to supercelt on popping his 1st post cherry.
He didn,t half pop it-with four entertaining posts on the trot-even if he had to resort to cheap jibes at one of the more intelligent posters on here....
I think Dermot Desmond should sell his shareholding to Roy.
Then "Roy The Bhoy" could be owner,chief executive,and captain.
I am also putting forward my nomination for his beatification as the 1st steps on the way to becoming Saint Roy of The Celtic.
The man deserves
the title......
:P
noel.
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Just had one of my regular texts from sky sports,usually spot on, saying WGS wants to speak to Roy Keane.
Could do with him after watching that utter tripe yesterday.
Alan Thompson you have played your last game...please.
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peat blog-
your are not just a fool-
you are a jedi fool....
D O'V.
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Pearson must be awful in training every day..that's the only conclusion I can come to when someone who has been consistently poor for 2 seasons (Thomo) gets a game ahead of him.
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In Pauls absence does anyone have an insight into MIH results? for the less financially astute of us.(ME)
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Baba if you don't think him a thug, you really should tell that to poor Alfie Haaland, i suspect he could show you the proof.
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Shocking stuff yesterday but not unexpected.
Even though we were rank yesterday Hartson & Sutton both missed with headers that 9 times out of 10 would have ended up in the back of the net, also had a stonewall penalty not given.
It would have been a lot worse if we had played well and lost but I take some comfort from the fact we were truly awful and we lost to a team which is not a competitor for the championship.
One win does not make a season nor does one loss.
As for the MIH results I would not like to be in for £500 million with the bank!
Disclaimer: The value of your investment may go up as well as down depending on current market conditions.
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Ardoch
I do appreciate that there have been incidents that have been without doubt carrer threatening incidents from RK, and that is inexcusable - truely- however, RK's career at ManU spans 12 years. He is not a serial crippler is he? He has made mistakes just like you or I so what? Is that your reason for exclusion? He is a known entity, a tried and tested professional, the games he has played were not strewn with the dead and injured at the hands/feet of Mr RK were they? Be realistic, if you don't think he would be an excellent aquisition that's fine, any rash decisions he has rarely made in the past are just that, rare.
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We cant dump all the old guard, the correct ploy is getting the blend right.
Would the team be as effective without the consistent reliability of Lennon in the middle and goals from Hartson. A full blown light weight attack would not be as effective without someone to hold up the ball, suck in defenders and create space for others ( just like Hartson & Sutton) OH and score lots of goals. So Mr Strachen please take the time to mature the blend of youth and experience without killing the flair of the team.
As an Example, how effective have Arsenal been without the Solid Viera, They play fast effective flowing football, but against a tough hard working team they can only rely on the brilliance of Henry. Chelsea on the otherhand have it all, either Drogba or Crespo provide the strength, backed up by the flair of Cole, Duff and Robben.
I think the Chelsea route is the one our Gordon would like to follow, with the ability to mix it up to tackle all forms of opposition.
Keep the Faith!!
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Baba,
I am with Ardoch on this one. Not only did Keane "do" Haaland in a horrific vendetta, but he then went on to show very poor judgement by bragging about it in his book. The man's poor judgement seems to be a common thread in incidents with Man U plus Ireland that seriously damaged team morale.
Allied to that, he is not the player that he once was. Man Utd. have been on the slide for the last 3 years and he is part of the problem. Could he stand out in the SPL?...probably...but maybe we should be looking to spend our limited money a bit more wisely in times of "asset management"
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hamptonTim,
You said: "Could he stand out in the SPL?...probably"
That is the best reason of all as that's where we find ourselves at present. I also said that his "thuggery" was a rare occurance, statistically it is.
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On why Thompson got a game over Pearson or Wallace - He was by far the best player on the park in the last reserve game, completely ran the game from midfield. Wallace played very well but wasn't on the bench as far as I can see, is he injured?
Thompson to me is past it, he's lost even more pace and his reflexes and reaction times are slower. However, he must still be putting in the effort in training and obviously reserve games; we can now see that he isn't able to cut it in our system playing at a higher level than reserves.
Agathe is not playing because he is LAZY - AGAIN, I say get Celtic TV and watch some reserve games. That man does not deserve near parkhead never mind the first team with the effort he puts in... He may still play well while on the ball but to me, and obviously Gordon Strachan, that is not enough. Agathe, the days of just turning up once you are an established player finished when MON left - buck up or leave!
In fact... £25k/week for an ex raith player? Just leave!!! Someone has an ego problem... every summer since I can remember Agathe has linked himself to top European clubs, he has never and never will be good enough for any of them. Especially now he has lost a good deal of pace. When was the last time you seen him skin a defender for pace? Why should you be paid £25k? Do you think you are better than Petrov? Than Maloney? By God, better than Keane if he was to come? I'm pretty sure they aren't on that figure and are far superior footballers.
By the way, STONEWALLER the penalty was.
Don't know about anyone else but my predictorship rating this week is going to be terrible!
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yesterdays performance was like a flashback to the worst of last seasons showings - i think the reasons for this have been well covered since.
We need to take this setback on the chin and allow WGS to continue with his vision of a winning team who pass the ball from back to front and can up the pace in the last third. Most of the players who are capable of making this happen were missing yesterday. The old guard reverted to type and our shape was lost.WGS knows what he must do. The king is dead,- Long live the king.
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Hampton Tim
Keane has been sent off less than one time a year since being at Man Utd. You should stop judging people on what the papers make them out to be... Sure he may make the odd rash judgement but his reputation is very much over exaggerated.
Also, the incidents with Man Utd. and Ireland have came about due to his anger at consistency and unproffesionalism by fellow 'professionals' I don't know about you but to me he has every right to complain.
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Baba,
It's his poor judgement that would worry me more.
Anyway, we can agree to differ and hope that it works out for the best either way.
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HamptonTim
I concur
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Agree that our midfield had no pace yesterday but Thommo apart,the players that started the game have played some good stuff this season.It was a bad day at the office but i think the old gaurd can still contribute to success this season if WGS can mix youth,pace and skill with experience at certain times of the season [like yesterday].The defense IMO has been slightly dodgey recently but ask any manager who can put the same back four out for nearly twenty games on the trot,with a great success rate,and he'll take it.Alan Thompson has been a great player for Celtic but it doesn't look like he will last much longer in paradise,but he will go with all our best wishes.All in all it has been a good start to the season but we should not be getting beaten at home by a team 33 points [and bottom of the league] behind us.Dunfermline had a horrendous injury list,but,came with kids and took the points.Youth,pace and skill.
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Mallone 1.19
So what makes you think Agathe wants 25K per week and what differenece does it make that he is ex- Raith ? Ian Rush was ex-Chester so did he not deserve to be paid the going rate at Liverpool? What puzzles me is why Agathe is on the bench if WGS does not rate him.
Agree with you on Thompson.
Disagree with you on the penalty. From where I was sitting it looked like Mick's momentum caused him to fall.Have to say though that there were a couple of other situations where we may have been given a penalty for handball but it was clear the Ref was not going to give us anything yesterday, not even the correct amount of additional time.
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No-one could possibly expect to complete the season unbeaten. However players such as Maloney, Beattie & Nakamura have been a breath of fresh air...yesterday we returned to the stale football we endured last season.
Hopefully we will have learned the lessons of last season...some of these highly paid players no longer have the desire to play at this level.
Loved the clip of Dalglish though well done SUPERCELT, it certainly brings back memories.
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Come on the Hibees, still a draw would be better
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sounds like Hibs have started lively
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When is the CQN Christmas Office Party?
Obviously we wont be needing any mistletoe but maybe Edward U could dress up as Santa and bring along some trophies for us ;-)
Disappointed with yesterdays result and performance but as Paul67 said this was old Celtic on view. We've been a totally different team for most of this season but what can you do when key players are injured? - just ask the manager of the south side scoundrels.
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Jeromek67
Only seen the penalty on TV...
From some angles it did look like a bit of a dive, but from behing (where the ref was!) You can clearly see he was brought down.
To be fair to Hearts Skacel was booked for diving in what looked like a heavy challenge. Probably a penalty in my eyes although could be a corner... never a booking!
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Hibs 1 Rangers 0
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haw haw haw! top 3 split, riordan has more goals than entire rangers 11....what a comment! Anyone got the game on t'internet?
1-0 hibs btw!
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1-0 HIBS Riordan
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"Rangers chasing shadows at the moment" BBC Radio Scotland
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Hibs 2 Rangers 0
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tune in folks.....hillarious
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2-0 O Connor
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Gedboy - Great post - agree 100%
Was in the middle of nowhere yesterday at minus plenty degrees with only my new Blackberry as a means of communication to the outside world. Imagine my joy when I was able to logon to CQN and get match updates when every other web site failed - I'll work this thing out soon. The joy was obviously short lived as the updates brought nothing but bad news. However, thanks to all the guys out there who contributed during the match - you do make a difference !
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This could turn into a rout. Crap Rangers team being entirely outplayed by some excellent football by Hibs.
Brown is already saying that Hibs lost a 2 goal lead last week, he's great at straw clutching!
Apparently Rangers have NEVER gone 8 games in a row without winning. Come on Alex go for a new type of nine in a row!!
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The Embra Tims are all over them - any bets against them setting a new record of not winning for 8 consecutive matches?
Curly
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Davie Provan talking about the FOD midfield not servicing their strikers :-o Do we really need this kind of talk on the sabbath? Most of them are married men Davie.
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This is amazing, Rangers are going to get slaughtered!! :D
I hope this cheers up plenty of us from the result yesterday.
We all complain that the SPL is predictable well here we are getting entertained this season.
Let us Enjoy
so what is it now
5th in the SPL? 6th?!
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Baba you can try to paint him any way you want, but he is a disgrace to his profession for 'doing' Haaland, and bragging about it.
Anyway, we have bigger fish to fry like keeping Petrov, who coincidently, is a credit to his profession.
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One more goal for Hibs and Rankers drop to 5th :)
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Yesterday was like a sick joke Gordon Strachan played on us to make us appreciatte
how well we had been playing.
''Don't forget were you came from''
''Remember how it used to be''
he he.
I was genuinely excited before the game Dunfermiline should have been a cakewalk, no matter how many injuries, but to see Alan Thompson in and Sutton and Hartson up front didn't exactly set the pulse racing.
However, it was the attitude of Celtic (bar a few) that was particuarly dissapointing.To be honest we could have played till 9 O'clock and still be firing blanks.
The other day when Paul said that Nakamura was our first choice midfielder I disagreed. Now I see where he is coming from, he was really missed yesterday.
Despite the negativity I am feeling, I will not call for the manager's head, sack the board, or sell the team.
I fully believe that this was a one of 'blip' and we will return to winning ways against Aberdeen.
'Mon the Hoops/Hibees
Seán
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bhoy sean
tfod were +7, now +5 GD (23 scored) on 23 points
killie are +4 GD (30 scored) on same points
If hibs can get another one, then our neighbours from the southside will be
5th in the SPL
5th in the SPL
5th in the SPL
5th in the SPL
Happy Curly
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Ardoch,
I thought we had agreed to disagree on Roy Keane? Okay, fair enough, call him anything you want, paint him anyway you want he is still every inch the player we want and need. Boo him when he gets here ( just don't do it so he sees you ).
Besides WGS seems to be in my camp according to reports so that's good enough for me.
Roy Keane, Keano, Keano !!!!
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If that was to happen, then at the press conference afterwards, do you think big eck would take the fith?
Coat on and out the door.
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How much are the huns paying broon to kiss their a**e
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Since when did our midfield need the addition of a slowing, ageing, injury ravaged, nutcase? We need to add a player with pace, and goals in him, a Rudi Scakel type dare i say, look forward Baba not back. Keane has had his day.
Enoughs enough, lets enjoy listening to the ritual slaughter of the 'chumpions' :o)
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That is a very shabby mid-table side. Rangers are a poor side, not just a bad spell or unlucky, they are lacking in talent. On par with Kilmarnock maybe...
Hibs on the other hand are impressive. Riordan, Brown or Thomson would easily take the places of some of the old-guard in our current side. Great team to watch going forward!
I rate Nakamura very highly but think he dissapears sometimes. We certainly did miss him but I believe we missed Maloney even more... he makes the whole team tic around him and can make everyone shift up the gears with some of his skill and battling.
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Ardoch
Just look at the comments coming out of people in the EPL...
It is widely believed Keane could push any half decent team in England into the top six. That is how good he can be, and still is!
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Paul,
do you have a link to Murray's accounts? They are not up on MIH's website.
Perhaps some of the blog's accountants could discuss them offline and come up with an analysis over the next week? I'm sure most of us are too swamped to give them the full treatment, but a wee bit of teamwork might help....
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Ok this is my last comment on keane.
I don't care how good he might still be, he is a despicable human being.
Take off your irish tinted lenses!
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The Funny Ongoing Disaster have pulled one back: 2-1
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Anyone watching the Hibs game? I'm just seeing sporting life's updates. Hibs 6 fouls, tfod 14. What kind of game is it?
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Ardoch
That's a very severe judgement of Roy Keane the person.
You may be right about him. I don't know him myself.
I can judge him as a football player, and he is (not was, yet) one of the best.
The only information I have on him as a human being is from the media. A suspect source, as we all know. So I have no idea if you're right about him.
If you have a better source for judging his humanity, I will respect your judgement a bit more.
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Pearson has a lot to learn as far as WGS was concerned after his appearance at Easter Rd. His recent comments about going out on loan without having spoken first to WGS emphasises this.
Camara definitely has a problem playing with Thompson. It affects his confidence which is Camara's problem but if Thommo contributed something it might be less noticeable. Thompson for all his experience and past glories has offered very little for a long time.
Everbody said that Lennon and Lambo couldn't play in the same team so why not Keane and Lennon if the price is right. We cannot afford to turn down quality players who want to play for us at the right price.
Sutton is just back from injury but he has also contributed very little lately.I wouldn't mind his Macro Negri stance if he was putting them away like he was.
Agathe has not been offered a new contract as he wants a rather large pay rise. He will be happy to move on a Bosman. Goodbye Agathe
BBJ has proven that when he is surrounded by quick players he is less dispensable than Sutton and this shocks me to say so.
Du Wei has not featured yet but he is not a match winner.
Virgo has yet to show anything for the first team.
Wallace may have had his confidence knocked with the recent wing back experiments
The only other fit player I have seen this season who has figured is Lawson
I do hope that we do some wheeling and dealing in January. It will allow the fringe player to see a clearer path to the first team.
Hail Hail
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Might even find it in my heart to forgive the Hibees for their last game last season if they can hold on for another 2 mins. ;o)
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Wee Bazza off!
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Captain Fantastic has lef the building...
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suggestion for tfod xmas dvd- remember remember no wins in november!
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Ferguson Off - 2nd yellow
2-1 Hibs FT
Let's start again at Pittodrie Bhoys
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Ferguson off for a kick at a hibs player :) Happy days.
Hib 2 - 1 Rangers FT
McLeish breaks the record for consecutive non-wins by a Rangers manager
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yesssssssssssss
ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
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It just gets better n better n better.
Yes Chenai i do, i have family in Cork, but in true press mode, i say no more. By the way, i do not work for the press, incase you may think so, i do not work at all because of ill health.
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A bad weekend suddenly looks a great deal better. I would almost rather have had this combination of results than both Celtic and Rangers winning. It is very damaging psychologically to have failed to capitalise on our first slip in weeks. I feared some kind of come back from them after an admittedly good result midweek and our defeat yesterday. Thankfully this has not happened. McLeish had 3 games to save his job - he has lost two and drawn one. Surely the final nail in his coffin.
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BIG ECK MUST STAY!!!!
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Bazza sent off by stuart dougal???? Cue media slant that says he left with dignity...:)
So, the weekend ends with...
Celtic 0 points
hertz 1
Hubs 3 points
tfod zippo.
Over the 2 weeks it was..
Celtic 3
hertz 2
Hibs 3
tfod...oh dear..:)
So, while we would have hoped for more out of our 2 home games, no damage has been done. Hibs have kept up, the others have lost ground.
Let's all cheer up...
And while I am here, Edward, you seem like such a decent sort. I have many pals who follow your team, and I think they just made bad choices at an early age. Come on over, it's not too late...::)
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listening to clyde 2
Daryl King Billy is utterly sick
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Derek Riordan and Garry O'Connor fired Hibernian to victory as Rangers went eight games without a win for the first time in their 132-year history.
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Hibs played well today.Just goes to show what a good result we got there in september.
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Anyone else think that could have been a straight red? Just a blatant kick... right on Thomson's injured knee.
Oh well that's my predictorship rating up another 3 points... 7 points in a weekend where celtic get bet and hearts draw!
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Here's hoping for nine in a row!!!
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It is with no delight that I suggest that Rangers could easily find themselves out of the top six within the next two weeks. As they face Killie on the 10th.
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OH THE RANGERS ARE SCHEIDT
OH THE RANGERS ARE SCHEIDT
OH THE RANGERS ARE SCHEIDT
OH THE RANGERS ARE SCHEIDT
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does this mean rangers are joint 5th?????
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Is Barry Ferguson banned just for 1 or 2 games .. does he miss the Falkirk and Kilmarnock games ? will Prso be fit by then ? They'll be hoping that they dont meet Clyde in the Scottish cup or will winning the CL give them another avenue into Europe.
A good weekend for hibs but after their loss last week not much has changed.
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BFDJ' voice is getting higher and higher:-)
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Darrell King is about to burst into tears i swear.
"oh happy days are hear again...."
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Hail! Hail! All..
One bad day at the office in this lenght of time is not bad. As has already been stated, this was Old Celtic, seems like loads of people & even fans have forgotten this. I am really sickened by the amount of fans ive heard mouthing off this player and that.. some people need to grow up! Camara has to be given some support, hes proved hes capable of performing(have people forgotten Mo, Mo, Super Mo?!), and there seems to be a pattern with his bad performances, no? Watch clearly next time(if there is a next time) Thompson & Camara start together on the left.
Im not into slagging off players who play in the green and white, but what I will do is question what a player can offer us. So Paul67 or whoever thinks they are mature enough to answer this question, what has Alan Thompson got to offer Celtic?
Weeron @ 3.57PM Spot on!
IMHO we have 4 out of 6 regular starters out injured from the midfield forward(Beattie, Nakamura Shunsuke, Maloney & Zurawski could be an exeption because he played some part). With of at least 2 of the people who started in those positions today werent fully fit(Sutton & Thompson).
I think this is a lesson well learnt; the league isint over, the team still needs some fresh, new blood & last but certainly not least, Maloney makes a helluva difference to our midfield(cos hes an attacking midfielder, not a striker!!!)
Thanks for listening, and hopefully I'll get to see some views on my opinion... :)
P.S. A BIG Hail! Hail! to Big Feck! Makes our result that bit easier to take! Long live Big Feck @ Rangers!
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Chick young makes me laugh
"they will be queuing up for the rangers jump"
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According to Radio Scotland there's a demonstration planned for out-side ibrox tonight.
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Surely now, we will see a cracked crest tomorrow?
GERSINCRISISGERSINCRISISGERSINCRISIS
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Really Shammy, ok lets lay on a CQN bus, and we'll all go over n watch.
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Seany Bhoy
Totally agree.
Camara has played excellently over the past couple of months. He has set up the 2nd most amount of goals this season (behind Shaun Maloney) from defense and has been pretty solid - when Thompson has not been playing.
On your question regarding what Thompson gives Celtic now - I can answer that - Nada (well except for his fantastic debating skills).
Not a personal attack on the player, just a realisation (for the good of Celtic) that he is no longer good enough. Only a miracle could see him recover a form that has been lacking for a year or more at his age.
Kevin Thompson for Celtic.
P.S. players from the SPL who Rangers are interested in - would they not be better staying at their own clubs, money aside?
Rangers will have to rely on some good youth players coming through and compared to Celtic in this department they are clearly lacking...
The futures bright - It's Green and White
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http://www.sundayherald.com/53042
Sorry if it's been posted before.
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I see it has. Mever mind :-)
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If we'd been up against Hibs yesterday playing like that they'd have annihilated us too. They're worth a watching.
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Shammy,
Is that a protest by Celtic fans?
Eck Must Stay!
Eck Must Stay!
Seems to me that we should be looking to raid either Hibs and/or Hearts in January if we have any money...the double whammy effect.
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If we have'nt taken Hibs/hearts seriously for the title we should now.
We will continue to have results like yesterday when certain players continue to be picked and more importantly our most influential players are missing.
THE LEAGUE IS NOT CERTAIN.
Paul67 has stated several times the importance of winning the league this year for enterance into the champion league.
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Very interesting ....
But MIH has increased its total debt, mainly borrowed from HBOS, to £500m, compared to £164m a year earlier. The borrowings are mainly to fund aggressive investments in UK property, as well as a rights issue at Rangers. “When you’re a private company that’s how you fund large ventures; you borrow money from a bank and you either pay interest, or you pay a dividend if you’re a plc.”
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While both Celtic and Rangers are not as good as they have been in the past I think you have to give credit where credit is due.
The whole of the SPL has become more competitive in the last year. While it helps the old firm have gotten worse it is obvious to see that the current Hearts and Hibs team are the best in a long time. I cannot remember seeing either of these teams play so well. Also, teams such as Motherwell and Kilmornock can, on their day, give any of the top contenders a run for their money.
I don't think the SPL is getting worse, I know it is getting better (even if we aren't as good as yesteryear).
Saying that, watching Hearts last two games they are on the slipery slide... before I've watched them and thought: Class apart from the opposition, the way where I expected them to win in the same way as I expect Celtic to win... the last two games have been different. They seem to have went from a dominant side to a normal Hearts side who will win some, draw some and lose some.
Hibs still looks strong as long as they can hold onto players and not too many injuries.
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New rankrottens manager eyes up new signings....
http://media.putfile.com/buts-immanquables
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malone19 cheers for the reply.. Good answer!
I'd like to see a few changes in January. I'm glad its not me that has to make the choices. I trust than WGS can make the right decisions and bring in players or replace the players which he feels need replaced. I dont think major changes are needed, but I would be open to see what the wee man comes up with.
On another note I was disappointed with the atmosphere inside Celtic Park on Saturday. Sure I wasnt there so technically I have no right to criticise, but, it really was quiet in there, no? We have to ask ourselves here as fans, can we really expect the players to turn it on when we cant? All I could hear the first half was the kids chanting Cel-tic! Cel-tic! The kinda atmosphere you get at a womans game of football(u know what I mean? lol) but even then it wasnt as loud as what it gets at them games.
P.S. Congrats to Hibs!
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Ardoch - never saw Van Vossen there - a mistake surely?
Curly
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Ardoch-
please keep two seats on that bus for myself and the legend that is......
K E A N O !
noel.
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I said new signings curly, and i doubt chelsea would sell van vossen.
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Noel, AAAAGGGGHHHH!!!!
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Ardoch,
I can just see it in Keano's next volume of his autobiagrophy.
"I got on the bus and saw Ardoch sitting there with an empty seat beside him. Take that you *@!&, I thought as I jumped into the seat feet first...."
Watch yourself!!!
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Sir Paul and SanFran_Tic,
Sir Paul,
You are spot on, my friend.
The Old Guard has to be summarily retired.
The Li'l Admiral, as you know, had to make sure that the VETERANS that he INHERITED... GOETH QUIETLY TO THEIR JUST REWARD!
He has given them enough chances to revive their FLAGGING ENTHUSIASM.
Now the time has come for the AXE to be WIELDED!
And wielded("are you sure that's how you spell that word?"..... Mabel asks) it shall be!
En Passant,Monsieur Balde,had another PEA SOUP MOMENTO (ASK JOHNNY, he knows). That,by my count, MAKES FOUR!
I am afraid Monsieur BOBO, is stretching the ELASTICITY of THE LI'L ADMIRAL'S PATIENCE.....to the BREAKING POINT!
We shall see!
SanFran_Tic........
Fargo sent me this Message:
"THE LETTER" said........
"Is it possible, my friend, that the Egocentric Yank,Lies??"
And Sir Paul, that message is for Your Good Self, as well.
The phlegmatic Vito, also told me to tell all the FOLKS on this SITE....
"YESTERDAY??.....FUGGETTABBBOUTTIT!
Hail! Hail!
Kojo.
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Thought my weakend was ruined,couldn't read the sport section of the newspapers and dreaded the reaction from hun fans,but no.
Rankers are the joke that just keeps giving.
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Hampton tim-:))))))
Ardoch-5.01- I thought most of those diddies were already at ibrox.......
noel.
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Sry to go off topic, but... wait for it...
Do you think R@ngers will make it to the next stage of the Champions League?!
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HamptonTim he is barred from the bus for not paying his subs. A bit like Fergus McCann!
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Im interested to see if WGS can do the one thing that MON never done successfully at Celtic and that is wheeling and dealing in the transfer market.
If we can get a fee and the overpaid under performers of the wage bill it will make WGS job much easier.
So far only Virgo looks a questionable WGS signing but only time will tell.
If any EPL clubs come in in January sniffing after Agathe or Thompson then we should sell. Varga's contract is also up in the summer along with Neil Lennon. Is there any other players who are effectively out of contract this summer ?
BBJ and Sutton can move on if we are talking 6 figure sums.
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Malone19 - You took the words away from me RE: Thompson, enough said.
On the positive side if we had to drop points rather drop them to sides who are not challenging for the title, though personally Livi would have been better (help out PL)
Edward Ursus - I've been wondering for a long time just how bad this poor (no pun intended) Rangers team would perform without Barry Ferguson, looks like we're about to find out.
With his record of injuries when his second choice country (Scotland) require his obvious talents, is it possible that we've just witnessed Wee Bazza taking the easy way out? - not being around when the going gets tough? - abdicating responsibility for the potentially worst ever string of performances of his team?
"Captain courageous" I think not.
Looks like Partick Thistle could end up with many, many new supporters, not necessarily of the finest kind!
Misty and freezing out here in the land of Rednecks.
Oregonbhoy
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To follow up the previous comments:
Yesterday = Coupon buster!
The exception that proves the rule?
Deja vu all over again, thinking back to last season.
Do the seemingly hard work only to fall at the next hurdle.
The main thing is that the league is all up for grabs, if the Hibees had't go mugged in the second half last week it would be one point seperating three teams at the top.
Consequently we live in exciting and interesting times.
Regarding the club and the playing staff, yesterday's game should be the watershed for the Big 5, not a case of who goes more a case of who stays, all gone by the summer? Add in the Shaky 3 and we will be looking at "Deadwood II" come the Jan Transfer window.
Biggest issue in all of this is the situation regarding SP, is he being slowly edged out to protect someone's bonus? You know we achieve breakeven on a P+L basis this year and the milky bars are on PL. No pun intended but it does seem quite apt.
I have no information on this apart from the fact that the CL failure will cost us £8mill net and what is the approximate worth of our dynamic Bulgar, £8mill? Too much of a coincidence for me on this one given the recent pronouncements of Kojo and Paul67. Sorry to be confrontational on this subject but I do not like being patronised by an erse and wound up by a "Back the Board" kiteflyer.
The more balanced scenario, I think was given on the latest E-Tims RM where external factors could be seen to be having an influence. However if we don't offer him BB's money including the captaincy premium I think we are being short changed by those at the top where short term financial targets are more important than long term team building.
Regarding team building, short term this time, I would like RK to join. Quickest and easiest way to make the club credible in Europe after this years debacle. There is hope for the future, the three stick insects, stature not heart, that helped beat TFOD are the strength of the team but we do need some "presence" both on and off the park to make the next step up. Consequently a last hurrah at CP with three quality flair players to keep him straight, what more could RK ask for apart from a last tilt at the CL with his boyhood heroes. All we have to do is get the money right and win the league.
Main thing in this is that is all the more achievable if we have SP in the team, if RK is used along with a couple of SPL talents moving in Jan to provide the crowd control to get SP out the door to save someone's bonus then I for one will be disappointed.
If however he left 6 months after SP II (ex Ajax) had joined and settled down then that would be more like it. Surely the new money would allow this "growth" strategy to be affordable. No-one is bigger than the club and selling for a profit is OK, but the main thing is that we have to be seen to be going forward.
Other issues for later include:
ManU / the Glazers = They have been sold a "bridge".
EU League / Saturday football = Don't hold (or waste) your breath.
HBOS / MIM's = Playing "Double your money"?
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Awe Naw
Are you saying you'd sell BBJ / Sutton for SIX figure sums??
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Celtic groundsman was called to CP 30 minutes ago. It seems a Rangers fan was on the roof of the stand threatening to throw himself off on to the track.
Groundsman climbed up to speak to him, and tried to persuade him NOT to do it.
Finally, failing to persuade him to climb down the groundsman said to the fan “Why would you want to end it all at the ground of your biggest rivals? If you are determined to throw yourself off then why not go to Ibrox, your spiritual home?”
“You’re joking” said the Rangers fan.
“Have you seen the length of the queue?”
My wife's bringing my coat.
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KOJO
Why would the 'lil admiral' be impatient towards yon Bobo?
For me he has been quite impressive over the last few months, spechially after a shooguly shtart.
Yesterday he was the most mobile player in a team whose feet seemed to be cemented into the ground.
His attitude was spot on as well.
Never gave up(nor should anyone)and on several ocassions had to take the ball on a few runs himself because of others inabilities or just lack of intrest.
So i'm all for the big man to stay.
Tell the 'lil admiral' that!
Seán
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Malone 19.
Of the players he bought ,Nakamura was the only one who would have played that was not fit for selection.
Mr Strachan is being praised for superior training and coaching methods.
Yesterdays peformance was an absolute joke.
It was against a side decimated by injury and further hindered by a first choice player having to leave the pitch injured very early into the game.
A side who were bottom of the league and had lost there last 7 league games.
Who are the only side that Livi have beaten this season.
I watched the warm up yesterday and commented at that time,that there was no rappore between Tommy Burns and the players.
Sutton ,Hartson and Thomson were just going through the motions.
They clearly have no respect for TB,and he was Mr Strachans envoy at that time.
For me Sutton and Thomson should be sold in Jan.
That being said.
Yesterdays performance ranked beside the one against Falkirk in the league cup this season.
The defeat was bad enough ,the standard of the performance was as low as i can remember in the last 35 years.
However, keep your blinkers on.
The standards that i expect from Celtic are clearly higher than you are willing to accept.
There are none so blind as those that do not wish to see.
I hope Mr Strachan now realises that he cannot rely on Thomson and Sutton .
Also that we cannot play Hartson and Sutton as a partnership without balls coming into the box from wide areas, for them to attack.
That we require pace to match height and brawn.
Also that the two fullbacks are quite simply not good enough for Celtic.
You have also been selective in choosing part of my post.
I believe that i have been further vindicated today ,as i also stated that these were the worst two Old Firm sides of the last Forty years.
From your previous posts you have taken a stance that we must be positive on all things Celtic.
That is the stance of the majority who post here.A stance i understand but find to be self deceiving.
I will always be in the minority in that i acknowledge our faults aswell as our strengths.
Mr Strachan could have played Virgo and Zurawski from the start.
Du wei has yet to play.
Camara and Telfer have been workman like at best.
I am sorry but my criticism of the team he fielded yesterday was justified.
The loss of Naka and Maloney were blows to the fluency of the side ,but please consider how decimated Dunfermline were, also.
We were not getting crosses into the box and he did nothing to alter that.
He was as culpable yesterday as he was worthy of praise after our two OF wins.
Like you, i love the Celtic .
I don't want us to settle for the standard of yesterdays performance.
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Timgreen,
Yes
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Timegreen you are not in a minority.
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Opportunity missed or a bullet dodged?
I think we are all in agreement with Paul, that yesterday underlined the need for creativity, pace, heart and a will to win. I can add nothing to the thoughtful posts that have indicated that a review of where the old guard fit in is necessary before the transfer window opens.
Is Keane a short term solution while we bring on some of the young blood?
Probably, but can he help us overcome the lack of creativity we saw yesterday?
He would / will certainly bring some much needed protection to Nakamura san, provide cover if Lenny gets an injury or needs a rest, and ensure we win the SPL this season.
We missed the chance this weekend to put some light between us and the rest of the pack. Only Hibs capitalised. Probably the best scenario we could have wanted, given events at CP. Let's hope it doesn't come back to bite us at the end of the season.
BTW Yesterday Boruc displayed the final attribute needed by great goalies:
Eccentricity.
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Kojo,
You seem to be determined to lower the wage bill no matter what, and in some cases unjustifiably run our players down. If you are speaking on behalf of the board or as you say strachan, you are doing no more than they slated for fans for recently (lack of team spirit!). I have watched you recently attack petrov and now balde, who to me has been one of our most consistent performers since that farce of a contract ended in august!!
I know mc manus is still learning his trade so i wont come down heavy on him but, he has been caught out a lot more than balde recently, it seems you only attack players who have a high wage packet. To me you are bascially a glove puppet!
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Tinytim
I think it has been mentioned before but yesterday might have been a controlled experiment by WGS, he sent a number of players on with a length of rope available to them.
There actions and attitudes mean that they have "hung" themselves or more correctly their careers with the club.
The personnel and formation of the team yesterday was too close to MON 04/05 to be coincidental, I think a point was being proved. Who to is a good question?
Also regarding attitudes to TB, MON seemingly had no time for his coaching abilities and thuis may have rubbed of on some of his favourites.
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Sorry Tim green,
I should say more than a 6 figure sum
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tinytim, sorry but maloney would definitely have started if fit!
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Kojo
Who are you trying to kid.
Bobo has been magnificent.
Did he stretch the Lil admirals patience with his pea soup header against Rangers last week.
What about Camara's pea soup crossing?
Lets be honest if Bobo was on £5K per week ,we wouldn,t be trying to push him out the door.
He has been magnificent for weeks and is always amongst our best players against the Rangers.
His attitude has been brilliant.
What player doesn't misplace a pass throughout a game?
Moving on Bobo would have more to do with saving money than improving the team.
By the way, if we do sell him in Jan we will at least get some money for him.
If many had had there way he would have gone for nothing.
If Mr Strachan thinks getting rid of Bobo is the answer to out problems ,them my fears about is tenure will prove to be justified.
No matter how well Du wei plays when Bobo is away in Jan.
Bobo should return and play beside him if Du Wei lives up to his promise.
He should be looking at his decision to buy Virgo .
He should be considering whether magic has been a good piece of business for around £2million and a 5 goal return.
He should be considering selling Sutton and Thomson.
But selling Bobo would prove that he is not on the ball.
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tinytim, agree with most of what you say but magic has done well for us when fit so it is harsh to judge him and strachan has turned a corner, one bad result wont be his downfall but wholly agree on your other comments
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i fear virgo could turn out to a huge misjudgement. the best bet would be to lend him out to someone like dun utd or poss killie, and see if he can make an impression
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Gavil Guy - Thanks, made my day.
Tinytim - I don't think you'll get to many arguments - me I'm just naturally optimistic and as stated many times already, wasn't to happy about GS's appointment, but he's done a great job, silenced most of his critics, myself included, and I'm waiting to see where he's going, team wise, in either January or the summer.
I think a lot has to do with the money men, and as friend Kojo has mentioned, the current pay situation will not be tolerated.
This may mean a clear out that will include Sutton, Thommo, BBJ, Bobo and maybe Agathe(?)
Hopefully this will allow us to keep Petrov.
Misty, freezing and now raining.
Oregonbhoy
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what would you do if you had stats lke these
Rangers last win- 36 days ago (over 5 weeks) v Motherwell
Rangers last away win- 110 days ago (over 15 weeks) v Famagusta
Rangers last away win in the SPL- 113 days ago (Over 16 weeks ago) v Caley Thistle
:)
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Kill myself
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A deeply perverse thought keeps reoccurring in my head... we should throw next week's game with Aberdeen - to create the possibility of the Huns going 6th in the SPL!!!
Carlesberg couldn't do it better!!
Bick doesn't resign, then he has lost any shred of dignity, he may have been credited with.
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My dear friend,Sean,
This reply is basically aimed at any of my compadres, who feel that Bobo has been harshly "misjudged"
Now, before I continue.......
Lay out the cards....
Did you or any one of the BOBO supporters.... SEE YESTERSDAY'S SHOCKING HESITATION OF MONSIEUR BOBO.....THAT RESULTED IN THE DUNFERMLINE PLAYER, skipping past the LUMBERING BOBO and GLEEFULLY GLIDING the BALL past the HELPLESS PAN BORUC?
If the answer to the above question is.....YES!
Then I do not need to convince you any further.
Bobo Has been Guily of that HESITATION on at least 4 occasions,
Resulting in 2 goals!
In the Six Yard Box.......BOBO is extremely UNRELIABLE!
Corners taken by the OPPOSING TEAM, are a nightmare.
Too many FREE HEADERS are Dished Out by BOBO,at opposing CORNER KICKS!
In other words........UNDER PRESSURE, BOBO is an ACCIDENT WAITING TO HAPPEN!
AFTER THE SILLY GOAL(That is BOBO,of course)PAN BORUC,WAS ABSOLUTELY LIVID AT BOBO'S HESITATION...ONE TWO CHASIS IS VERY VICTOR SYLVESTOR....... BUT NEVER ACCEPTABLE IN THE THROES OF A STEAMY SOCCER CONTEST!
Hail! Hail!
Kojo.
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Yo Kojo
Is Roy Keane coming over to us? I ask not for myself but for a friend whose too embarrassed to ask himself you understand.
Bobo is Bobo, not quite a liability as such.
Hail Hail
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kojo-are you taking this mince straight from the sunday mail ?
So what Bobos made a booboo?
I am seriously doubting your ability to understand a game of football.
I am now DEEPLY SUSPICIOUS of your motives.
Gavilguy-5.46pm.-
that was excellent.
Sean.zo and Cultsbhoy-
I want mcleish to still be manager of rangers as he tries to take them back upto the SPL at the 1st attempt....
Supercelt-
every time I come to make a comment
I am confronted with the words
" get it right up you Noel..." just as well I,ve got skin as thick as South African rhino....
noel.
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just as well I,ve got skin as thick as South African rhino....
and a face to match.
