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podium?
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first?
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hmmm, it all seems up in the air, we should have a better idea by the quarter final stage.
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qaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
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I've touted Barca since day 1 of this tournament. I really hope it is their year and I would really like to see that man gain a well deserved European medal for all his efforts in football. He set up the cross that created the winner last night and made a real difference. I had the pleasure of watching the game with some Barca fans and it turned out to be a great night.
Come on the Barca!
Quick quiz on European Cups. Name the 3 cities in the UK to have had two teams (not necessarily in the same year) at the semi final stage or better.
Hail Hail
Martybhoy
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P8ddy
At the risk of a bolding ;-D , your statistical analysis [sic] of relative league performance between Seasons 2004\05 and 2005\06 is not valid. You are trying to compare two different sets of data that are subject to different variables, conditions and environments. You have an opinion and generally argue in support of that opinion in a robust and articulate fashion. That is fine. However it is misleading and incorrect to support your opinions and conclusions with a superficial statistical analysis that is basically not scientifically valid. Conclusions can be drawn and interpreted from correctly analysed data, but it is wrong to contrive an incomplete analysis of data to support conclusions that have already been formed. Perhaps the simplest and safest statistical comparison is just to look at the two leagues tables after the same number of games played. You will see that Celtic are currently sitting on top of the league, 13 points clear of the team in second and 21 points clear of the team in third place. It is an entirely different and pleasing picture than last season. And I am not a statistician ;-)
My own subjective and qualitative analysis, based on watching games at Celtic Park and on Setanta, is that Celtic are performing relatively better in the league compared with last year. I’m certainly enjoying watching Celtic more than I did last year. Call me old fashioned but I want to go and watch good and entertaining football between two competing teams. Generally, our league opponents are now stronger and playing better in matches against Celtic. And one of the effects of this increased competition is that the better performing teams are also taking points off each other. An anomaly is r@ngers ;-) . Last year’s eventual champions apparently strengthened their side from last year, but have performed dramatically less well in the league this year. This may well be the most significant factor in any comparative analysis. Hearts, Hibs, Kilmarnock and Inverness Caley, in my opinion, are all better and stronger teams than last year. Falkirk are a better team than the relegated Dundee. Motherwell and Aberdeen have remained at about the same level and may even be slightly stronger. Dundee Utd started poorly, consistent with last year, but are now improving under a new manager. The performances of Dunfermline and Livingstone in the league have declined. Yet the Pars beat Celtic in the league at Celtic Park and are in the final of the CIS Cup? Celtic, in a major transition and with a new manager and players, are sitting top of the tree. They have performed and delivered this year in the league matches that matter. Without doubt there have been some poor performances, particularly in defence. However, I am optimistic that in a difficult football and economic environment, Celtic will continue to improve on last season.
Chris
From previous article
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I think Juve are the best all-round team left in the CL although Barca a bit more exciting. Would love to see Mourinho's interview after being on the receiving end of a blitz at the Nou Camp.
Wet, windy, hailstones and even snowing all across Spain.
Hail, Hail
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At 1:34 PM, eventheoliveswerebleeding said…
Paul67 my first ever post and you then started a new article.
Thereforei have copied this acrross form the last article.
I suspect that if Celtic, or any of it's supporters, were to complain to UEFA about the 50,000 fans singing scetarian songs last night.
Then there is the possiblity that UEFA would possibly see this as rival clubs/fans ,trying to create trouble.
The complaint could lose credibility for this reason.
I am therefore hoping that someone from NIL BY MOUTH or the Scottish press ,will see this post and act upon it.
Also that they can provide feedback on UEFA's response.
I am hoping that they will write to UEFA and complain about the anti Roman Catholic songs which were sung by the vast majority of there 50000 support last night.
Burnley78 posted earlier with regards to the fact that Rangers are allowing UEFA to broadcast against racial intolerance.
Yet at the very same time Rangers have sanctioned a banner stating "we are the people".
UEFA should have what the statement means explained to them.
UEFA will have had representatives at the match last night.
Someone should also explain the words of Hello! Hello!
The expletives about the Pope in Follow Follow,and were up to our knees in Fenian Blood.
I do not believe that when a UEFA representative hears this bile at Ibrox that they are aware of the exact meaning and the level of hatred portrayed within the songs.
I am sick to my stomach that this is acceptable.
Also if we have any TV or newspaper journalists looking in.
Why? oh! why? don,t you condemn this behaviour instead of making statements such as the Rangers fans are in full voice.
If you are not part of the solution, then you are part of the problem.
Make a difference.
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I made the mistake of reading the article before realising it had just been posted!!
Here's hoping for the correct results for us then!!
TMM
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Am I the only one who thinks this reporting of each other for song's and video's is childish?
I am sure UEFA and everyone else knows what's going on, but in fairness to Rangers, how do you stop 50,000 people singing a song?
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Welcomeeventheolives..
I suspect you are correct, we should leave Rangers problems for others to sort, it is not our business afterall.
Chris, there is a statistician in there somewhere, or at least someone who has had to answer for his research.
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Just been listening to Jose's comments re last nights Chelsea v Barca match. Laughed out loud when I heard the crap he was coming out with.
Watched the match live last night, rather than the other rubbish on Sky Sports 2. Del Horno deserved to go, he had already chopped Messi down twice in the previous 3 minutes and should have been booked for these. His third foul was a stupid/reckless challenge and he only had himself to blame.
Back to "the chosen one". What goes around comes around ya wee sh@#e. G.I.R.U.Y. wee man.
Best of luck Henke, a Champions League medal would be just rewards for one of the best players ever to have played in the green and white.
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Didn't take you for a Pontius Pilate, Paul and to be honest I'm a wee bit disappointed.
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Bhoydell, I sincerely hope so.
pablophanque
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Paul67,
Really is a lottery at the moment 5 or 6 teams look capable of winning - Think I'll stick to Barca for football/HL reasons
From the last post! Awe_Naw_No_,
Wasn't questioning your comments, your post got me searching through Chelsea’s recent results. I read some other postings and I'd made my remarks an open question.
Subterranean didn’t mean to breach CQN criterion, (so my disclaimer) – At no time did I mean to be misleading and incorrect by supporting my opinions and conclusions with a superficial statistical analysis that is basically not scientifically valid – ; ¬))!!
Personally, wouldn’t like to see either in a CP Dugout (unless they are getting drubbed in CL SF). My point is that FR has proved himself better than the self nomenclatured special one. I think on a BANG FOR BUCKS basis Mourinhio has been average!
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Hi Paul,
I'm surprised your post didn't comment on the ramifications of Rangers winning the C.L (ok, ok I know, but I can dream.
A few folk have mentioned some of the songs sung at Ibrox last night, anyone who has read my previous posts know my views on this, one point I would like to make though, if as is called for some sort of sanction is taken over it, how do you intend stopping your own bigots from bringing the same sanctions to C.P?
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Martybhoy
the three cities are Glasgow, London and Dundee
hail hail
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Chairbhoy, agree on the Chelsea manager.
With a stronger squad, he needed every trick in the book to overcome a Martin O’Neill team.
The ‘bang for bucks’ argument is irrefutable.
Timoot, not my campaign, and I could think of dozens of reasons why it is not a campaign for Celtic or Celtic fans.
Their problem, not ours. Involve yourself with it, and you will be associated with it by others.
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I don't know which rule you are referring to Paul with regards to London clubs not getting to the final. I just don´t think clubs from the big smoke have been hungry enough down the years. Arsenal have a lot of new potentially hungry players and there was not one English bloke on the field of play the other night. By the way a team called Nelson from Lancashire claims to be the first English club to have won in Real Madrid's stadium, in the 1920´s. Their club chairman says that Bernabeu himself was in the team! The best football has always come from UP NORTH.
Barça look very solid though and have great footballing talent and Henrik´s experience. If their winning helps us then it´s a double whammy.
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Paul,
...the statistical chances are low ;-D
Chris
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Edward,
I agree, I do think Celtic have sorted the problem at CP, its the away terracing terrorists that infuriate me. There might also be a wider discussion in this around bigoted v political songs ?
But again, while Ranger's perhaps could have done more, how do you stop people singing a song?
I was also about to post on my thoughts around Henrik Larsson but I will leave that for another day as I have a meeting to go to, suffice to say he will never be a Celtic legend in my mind a mercenary yes, a legend never.
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Re. bigoted songs
We can't get on our high horse - there are still too many cretins who sing the foul line 'Soon there'll be no protestants at all..." It sickens me, and the club should address SPECIFIC lines in songs and condemn their being sung.
And it is childish ( but true ) the they're worse than us argument.
Thirdly, it's a freedom of speech issue. As is being discussed elsewhere in the media, if you are for freedom of speech, then you have to argue that your enemies are allowed to say what ever they want, no matter how disgusting it is to you.
Here endeth the lecture....
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Horrible debate on 'they're worse than us etc'.
One area where we can claim the high ground is that as a club we have actively discouraged the bigoted element whereas (as Graham Spiers often highlights) the prematch atmosphere at Ibrox is very different.
I'm also going to take a stand and say that Henrik Larsson is a Celtic legend.
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50F degrees
People in southern England turn on the central heating
People in Edinburgh plant out bedding plants
40F degrees
Southerners shiver uncontrollably
Glaswegians sunbathe on the beach at Largs
35F degrees
Cars in the south of England refuse to start
People in Falkirk drive with their windows down
20F degrees
Southerners wear overcoats, gloves and woolly hats
Aberdonian men throw on a T-shirt; girls start wearing mini-skirts
15F degrees
Southerners begin to evacuate to the continent
People from Dundee swim in the River Tay at Broughty Ferry
Zero degrees
Life in the south grinds to a halt
Inverness folk have the last BBQ before it gets cold
Minus 10F degrees
Life in the south ceases to exist
People in Dunfermline throw on a light jacket
Minus 80F degrees
Polar bears wonder if it's worth carrying on
Boy Scouts in Oban start wearing their long trousers
Minus 100F degrees
Santa Claus abandons North Pole
People in Stirling put on their 'long johns'
Minus 173F degrees
Alcohol freezes
Glaswegians get upset because all the pubs are shut
Minus 297F degrees
Microbial life starts to disappear
The cows in Dumfriesshire complain about farmers with cold hands
Minus 460F degrees
All atomic motion stops
Shetlanders stamp their feet and blow on their hands
Minus 500F degrees
Hell freezes over
Rangers win Champions League
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Chocolate Teapot to Darich67. Can see myself winning a right few quid on that one down here in London taaaan.
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I reckon the main reason people at CP sing bigoted lines in songs is cos they don't know what the real line is. Anyway, who wants to sing at CP? You'll be wanting folk to stay till the end next! Dearie me!
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Bhoydell,
I hope you have a kevlar coated hard hat on stand by after your comments regarding the KoK's.
I think you'd be hard pushed to find a Celt who shares your views on that one my friend.
To say he was mercenary is just ludicrous.
At anytime in his time at PH he could have chased the big bucks from the Premiership as Van Hooijdonk, DiCanio and Viduka did, but he didn't.
He may have been the highest paid Celt ever but compared to any of the EPL top strikers he was on about half what they earn.
I think the guy really had/has a love for our great club and your comments to the contrary and just insane.
/Bishop B
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Edward Ursus - re sectarian singing - I refuse to debate this issue with anyone whose position is the usual mealy mouthed "Curse on Both Your Houses", "Each as Bad as the Other".
Why don't you and the rest of 'ra people' concentrate on flattening your Mount Everest of a problem, and leave us to tackle our very real "Ben Lomond" of sectarianism?
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bhoydell an absolutely disgraceful statement. id have thought better from a long time poster.
paul, i suggest removal for many violations, especially language.
maybe an incumbent from the 4th estate is amoung us right enough?
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me spel cheques naquerd du two anger :-(((((
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I was asked earlier how the Reserve and Youth teams were doing in their leagues.
The Under-19s are nine points clear of Motherwell, who have a game in hand. And our wee Italian-tournament-winning Bhoys play St Mirren at Airdrie's Shyberry Stadium on Friday (7pm) in the qaurter-finals of the Youth Cup.
The Reserves are level on points with Aberdeen, who have a game in hand. But the two teams have to meet again in a few weeks.
Full details on:
CelticFCblog
Cheers,
JohnBhoy
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Bhoydell,
Hang your head in utter shame
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P8ddy,
Why can’t you accept that all the other teams may have improved?
If you take Killie, Aberdeen and Hibs for example, who have been blooding/playing more of their young rookies than they would normally do in recent times, due to financial restraints, then surely you would admit that these young lads have the benefit of at least 1 more years experience and so should therefore be more accomplished at the job they do.
As regards your answer to thismancraig and the golf anology –
Dunfermline played on a plastic pitch last year and a grass one this year.
How does that change in circumstances effect your 77% stats theory that you posted yesterday?
If this was a game of Runaround (Mike Read 70’s kids programme), I wouldn’t be running to stand behind you on this one. :-p
Not that you'd care ;-p
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Bhoydell - another attention seeker, don't bite folks.
Glass half full, mostly agree with your statement on "songs", good analogy.
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Bhoydell - Mercenary? A bit strong don't you think
Len Brennan 2:25 - You took the words right out of my mouth.
I can see this thread developing into a was he/wasn't debate.
For many of us we remember McNeill, Jonhstone, Lennox etc. for those older it's McGrory, Gallacher etc.
For many of today's Celtic support Henrik Larsson is the best player they have and probably ever will see wear the hoops. For that reason I would consider him a legend.
My son is five years old and can only name three Celtic players past or present - Bobo(it's easy to say for a small child), Hartson (he scores goals) and Henrik Larsson, he's known his face since he was 2 years old. For that reason I would consider him a legend.
Online dictionary definition of legend is; someone or something very famous and admired, usually because of their ability in a particular area.
You make your own judgement.
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martbhoy, hee hee hee, liked that one.
Bhoydell-is your meeting in Carstairs for therepay on your criminal insanity?
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Bhoydell, is that a hand grenade in your pocket?
We have discussed Henrik before. The agreement we came to was:
He would have left if we did not pay him that enormous last contract.
Henrik occupies a special place for me, worth every penny, but they are all here for the money - with the possible exception of Roy Keane and anyone else who has declined twice the money Celtic have offered to play for Celtic.
If I can paraphrase Kojo, or maybe Jack himself, ‘what are you going to do for me tomorrow’. When it comes to players, sentimentality is a hindrance that inhibits many losing teams.
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Bhoydell,
You're at the wind-up surely?
Certainly Henrik was paid vast sums of money for what he did at our club, and no, maybe he didn't grow up with the club as his first love (I don't think that is necessarily grounds for legend status - just see the debates recently on Peter Grant). However, the man scored so many important goals for the club and not only scored but contributed through his whole game that he certainly IS a legend. Did you see him after he scored his 2nd at CP in his last competitive league game?
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Martybhoy
To clarify your quiz question, it related to European trohpies not The European Cup ?
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Henrik not a legend? or Bhoydell not a Celtic fan? you decide.
unless of course KirstyMcCabeCSC can come up with the REAL reason,you know the drill by now Buckie Bhoys/wrong school bla bla bla .....zzz
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A rangers supporting friend at work brought in yesterday's match programme. I noted that Rangers were offering accomodation for those on the community coaching programmes at Garscube Sports Centre, home of some of the finest pitches in Scotland...pity they missed out the bit Used by Celtic youth tems on a weekly basis.
Murray Park not good enough then, An academy with no accomodation...Has it been done on the cheap lads ?
Surely they could use the 150 room Hotel that they were shouting about building back in 1997, must be finished now.
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Bhoydell
You are just her to cause trouble aernt you the contribution Larsson gave to this club was Lengendary. I wont go through the stats we all know them. What happened did he decline an autograph one time and you looked down on him ever since.
Like Jock Stein said "Celtic was not my first love but it will certainly be my last"
This could apply to Larsson in a way.
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Len Brennan, Adrian 1888
Bhoydell is in important meeting, don’t be too harsh on him, obviously he’s sensitive about imposters earning a fortune and being announced the King of Kings when it should be me King Dell
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Subterranean...
At the risk of a bolding ;-D
Self fulfilling prophesy! :-D However, you should read my conclusions rather than the conclusion you think I'm drawing. I only used the statisics to illustrate the league was no stronger than the year before. Certainly didn't use them to make any postulation about the qualities of Celtic.
p8ddy's post-
Estadio, whilst your sentiments are laudible, your assertion that the league this year is of a higher standard simply doesn't hold up to scrutiny.
That was my only point!
your statistical analysis [sic] of relative league performance between Seasons 2004\05 and 2005\06 is not valid. You are trying to compare two different sets of data that are subject to different variables, conditions and environments.
...and trying to extrapolate if the differing variables (primarily players & management) are making a better or worse league. I am comparing two identical sets of data - The SPL table after 27 games in both seasons. There is nothing wrong with the statistics, or the premiss. The only meaningful change to the league was the introduction of Falkirk at the expense of Dundee. Given the relegated club was not one that had came up and went straight back down it's a relatively safe assumption that the respectful skill sets of the teams is not dissimilar. Analysing the data with regard to positions and not specific teams also makes the analysis rather safer as it then discounts the vagaries of individual teams collapsing/having a meteoric rise. The environments are also within standard deviation - ie year on year they are subject to the same minor change (between 2 and 5 percent dependant on whether Celtic play once or twice at the ground in question).
My point was not to use the statistics to determine if Celtic were better this year or last, but to determine if the league was on an upswing, as stated by estadio.
You have an opinion and generally argue in support of that opinion in a robust and articulate fashion. That is fine. However it is misleading and incorrect to support your opinions and conclusions with a superficial statistical analysis that is basically not scientifically valid. Conclusions can be drawn and interpreted from correctly analysed data, but it is wrong to contrive an incomplete analysis of data to support conclusions that have already been formed.
How is my analysis superficial? It is not a macro analysis carried out with due scientific rigour, but as a rule of thumb indicator it's perfectly valid. The numbers won't reveal precise characteristics of the league but they do stand as valid.
I'm measuring the same league over the same time frame in two different years. The league format is identical, the teams are within standard deviation (ie it's more or less the same teams competing for the same prize). Given that I'm not vbeing team specific it's perfectly appropriate. It's not too different to examining yer on year trends in the finances of the club. 2004 vs 2005 for instance. As long as you state the assumptions/risks and variables that might colour the result.
Thankfully, regarding the variables - these actually contribute to the conclusion, as financial strictures, player movement and other managers make the league stronger or weaker! I didn't use the stats to extrapolate whether Celtic were better than last season. Taken out of context, the statistics are meaningless. It's as valid for you to say p8ddy, your point is wrong as jam has reduced in price this year! as the point you are actually making. The statistic only supports the conclusion I came to, which was the the league is no stronger this year than last.
Also, I would never try and twist data to suport an argument. I've stated many times on CQN, I'm open minded, I want to have my worries adressed and indeed discounted. I want to be converted. Certainly, I'm not entrenched in my views, and I'd never be so closed minded. I've never had a problem with being wrong, I don't imagine myself infallible. If I had examined the stats and the numbers had proved me wrong, I'd be happy about that. Honestly.
Perhaps the simplest and safest statistical comparison is just to look at the two leagues tables after the same number of games played. You will see that Celtic are currently sitting on top of the league, 13 points clear of the team in second and 21 points clear of the team in third place.
Looking at the league table from this year to last tells you the position the teams are in, nothing else. Certainly, it doesn't tell you about the relative strength or weakness of the league. The empirical data you are using to bolster your suppostion of my statistical weakness is actually far, far weaker than mine! :-)
It is an entirely different and pleasing picture than last season. And I am not a statistician ;-)
Beyond doubt my fine friend. Beyond doubt. :-) We are in accord on that note!
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Remember bhoys and ghirls some people just post rediculous comments just for a reaction. They have the same mental defficiency as the ‘experts’ of the various phone ins. Try not to rise to it.
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Bhoydell - make that 9 pints of Martel, a pint of Pernod & a Castrol GTX shandy.
I would ditch that meeting you need to go to & have a wee lie down if i were you. Henrik not a legend?
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well, one poster has certainly increased his profile today, in a Gerry McNee esque fashion.
DO NOT BITE!!!
I can almost hear the titters in the background!!
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Bhoydell - am i singing the right words here?
Wullie Falconer.....Wullie Falconer.........Wullie Falconer is The King of Kings!!
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Bhoydell...
Paul, can we get an electric ASBO on him for this?
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Re the sectarian singing debate.
Rangers as a club actively encourage this type of behaviour.
They bow to the bigots and bring back "Simply the best" after warning the fans it would be stopped if they continued to add in their own sectarian lyrics.The fans never stopped , but so what. They play flute music to accompany "Follow Follow" with the obvious Orange Order connotations and sell orange Christmas trees in the club shop.
Not to mention banning Eggs Benedict,Bob "FTP" Malcolm, and refusing free Peperami because the wrappers were green etc you can see that this club clearly has a problem.
They pander to the bigots because they need their cash.
Compare this attitude to that of Celtic.
Name one thing that Celtic as club do to encourage sectarian behaviour.
Name me one sectarian song sung regularly at Celtic Park.
The difference in the two clubs is night and day.
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Blantyre Kev
Your post was therapy for you, well it was therapy for me. Cl qualification looms large for the club, failure and it will be a fire sale of "Ibrox" proportions.
Good point about Multimedia income, the £5.5mill reduction should be seen in light of the £7.1mill EUFA CL money that was present in 2004/05. Taking out any uplift due to the qualification tie that was not there a year previously the progress being made seems encouraging, £200K+ pcm?
Also interested in how the merchandising holds up, the first half of 2005 was poor not only because the strips were changing but also because the team was playing poorly and the only buzz came from Craig B.
However my questions from before still stand:
1) Nike £5mill - Any idea on staging? Monthly, Quarterly, Half yearly?
2) Player Investment 2005/06 - Any idea on the staging, I don't think we have paid up front on this so we will still have cash to pay out. Any ideas?
3) Player Investment 2006/07 - Any ideas on the amounts available? We seem to be looking at the same overall wage level so it all comes down to what we can afford. The gambler in me thinks £10mill net but we have to pay the second instalments on some of the existing players and we also have to find the cash for Lennoxtown.
4) Debt - I can see a negative cashflow of £2mill in the second half so the debt will be in 8 figures again.
5) T/O - £55-57mill is my best guess.
6) Total Footbal wages budget - £25mill and falling?
I suspect there will be a "Deadwood II" come the summer. £9mill in basic pay looks to be short term and their replacements will be on considerably less.
7) GTF provision - £1.4mill set aside on the balance sheet for this. Will it be used, has any been used already?
8) Any ideas on how we can get the T/O up to £100mill in the medium term outside of a trip to the EPL?
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Leabgarrow, never been an attention seeker in my life, people are allowed opinion's that differ from you. Henrik was probably the best striker I have watched at Celtic, (although I did see Dalgliesh just before he moved on), however there is one simple question about this guy who had a true love of our club (according to some), would he have shown this love by signing again if we had not offered him £35K per week.........?
This was also the guy who took £1m from his "farewell" game and didn't give 1p of it to charity, celtic or anyone else, striaght in the hip like any good mercenary would..
This is guy who only a few months ago said he didn't understand were the money went to a Celtic (answer check your own bank account)
This is the guy who came back and stuck it to us for Barca.
Johnston, McNiell, Auld............. celtic legends.
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MadMitch
Wasn't 7 million or so of the recent share issue to be set aside for Lennoxtown and some for debt reduction.Since the target was reached or even oversubscribed surely that issue( Academy/Training centre) is now resolved.
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LarryBhoy
It's a long running joke in the Fiver to link Rangers with Catholic references.
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New to CQN, first post a bit off the beaten track, but does anyone know the answer to why the Guardian refer to TFOD thus;
In The Fiver today, under A Bad Night in Benfica
link - http://football.guardian.co.uk/fiver/
"Since then, Benitez has repeatedly shown that he's a smart man and a clever manager. So why he sent Liverpool out to play for a 0-0 against Benfica - probably the second-worst side ever to reach the Big Cup knock-out stages after the Pope's O'Rangers - was about as baffling as James Blunt becoming a global pop phenomenon."
???
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Paul
London's not the only capital city that cant seem to produce a European champion. If you look at the big 5 countries only Madrid has done it with Berlin, London, Rome and Paris all failing to win a single European Cup.
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I reckon only 4 European Capital Cities have provided European Cup winners. Anyone name them ?
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whatever.
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Bhoydell, I think Paul's response to your original post is enough. I wonder how many 'legends' would have stayed with the club had they played in the modern era? You mention one who would have been off quicker than you can say 'mibbees aye'
Henrik could have left for more money on several occassions, he has just rejected a new contract with Barca to return to Sweden for less money as well.
At Celtic Park, he played for Barca thus had no option but to stick his chance away.
File him away under Legend.
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I personally don't care how much Henke earned. I just loved the guy for what he did for our club.
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Hairbear….you said at 1.52pm in relation to the current Chelsea Manager
Back to "the chosen one". What goes around comes around ya wee sh@#e. G.I.R.U.Y. wee man
Are you serious? This is presumably because Porto beat us in the UEFA cup final? Is this anyway for a Celtic fan to behave?
Yours is the sort of view I would expect to see on Follow Follow and I'm disappointed in the extreme to be reading it on here
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Bhoydell,
If you can just remember Dalglish before he moved on, then you cant remember the Celtic legends that you mention, or experienced what tehy brought to the club. Seems a paper thin opinion to me that your holding. Henk could have went for more - transfer fee and wages but he didn´t. Henk done many a charitable thing while in Scotland and for Scottish people and didn´t blow his trumpet about it or seek publicity.If he thinks that the club is not well finacially run then maybe he was hanging around with madmitch what´s wrong with that ?
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Astute observation Martinobhoy.
I could go further still and say that apart from Lisbon, Madrid and Belgrade, no other capital city has produced a European champion.
Could it be that football is most effective when based in the industrial heartlands, not the commercial centres?
Welcome Larrybhoy. I am under the impression that the guys at The Guardian like to enjoy themselves.
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Larrybhoy - I think it was because TFOD qualified to the knock-out stages with one of the worst records in CL History - only one win in the six games. Also, I'm pretty sure one of the guys who writes the Fiver is a Hoops man.
nuclearfalloutbhoy - not wanting to put words in peoples mouths but I don't think it's because we lost the final - there was an article published where he was describing his teams preparations for the final and I think during one of the team talks he said something to the players to the effect that if contact was made - go down, as it would upset our mentality. I think Karma would have been a better way to put his teams result last night, in light of his gripe at Messi "provoking" Del Horno.
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LarryBhoy, they call them the Popes O'rangers and us the Queens Celtic, somebody always bites.
Now feeling very disappointed because according to Dell I have never seen a Celtic legend play for the club (nor has he right enough) unless of course he meant Mo Johnston,which I'm gpoing to have ot disagree with.
and nuclearfalloutbhoy,is there any room for such passion/downright rudeness in football? I say.....yes
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Amsterdam
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timoot
The £14.55mill cash injection from the share issue means that we currently have a bank debt of £8.74mill. This is where the proceeds now reside, with the bank to keep the debt down.
On top of this will be a negative cashflow of £2mill in the second half (my best guess - last season and the lack of SC games) of the season means that we will have a debt in 8 figures come June.
£10mill+ in debt and not a brick has been laid for Lennoxtown. The training ground will then have to be paid out of existing resources as the share issue money would have been spent to keep the debt under control.
Consequently times are a bit tight at the moment and if no CL money shows up in 2006/07 we will be in deep doo-doo.
All issues can be resolved but it will take a bit of imagination and business acumen to get things back on track. things that BQ has not been noted for in the past.
The way out of "sale and leaseback" of the training ground is readily available but the papers would have a field day with it to try run the club down. However we may have help from an unusual source, TFOD if they have to do something similar for MP then the cries will be somewhat muted.
Sale and Leaseback:
£7-8mill capital cost = £500Kpa in interest payments. Split between the youth set-up and the first team the figures would be containable.
Sold to the public as a way of releasing funds to finance extra player investment? Would be the way to go, bricks and mortar have rarely won a game for anyone.
Ten / fifteen year deal and the £7-8mill capital sum will be more manageable when the arrangement comes to an end.
Season ticket prices up 30 - 40% over the next 10 years? £10mill in extra revenue from this source alone in 2016.
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thismancraig, I think you'll find The Hage is the capital city of The Netherlands.
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Nuclearfalloutbhoy 4:20
I'm about to leave work for home so haven't time to answer you now but will do so later.
My problem with Jose is Porto diving against us and then Man Utd a few months later.
Now he complains when done to him.
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Paul is Amsterdam not the capital, and the Hague the seat of Government?
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Paul67 that's what I thought,
However, according the MSN our survey says...
Amsterdam (The Netherlands), seaport and largest city of The Netherlands. Amsterdam is located in Noord-Holland (North Holland) Province, on the IJ (an arm of the IJsselmeer), near The Hague. It is the commercial, financial, and cultural center of The Netherlands, as well as the country's official capital; however, the real center of national government is in The Hague.
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thismancraig
Hope they don't have the question 'What Is The Capital of the Netherlands' for a million quid on Who Wants to be a Millionaire.
If Amsterdam is included then there are 5 European Capitals with a European Cup winner.
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Glasgow and Belgrade?
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ah, and Bucharest
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Madrid
Lisbon
Belgrade
Bucharest
Amsterdam (late entry)
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Was Frankurt or Munich the Capital of West Germany?
Leabgarrow - Chomsky Quote??
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Thismancraig/otis
Celtic Quick News officially recognises that The Hague, as seat of government, monarchy and embassies, is capital of The Netherlands.
MSN is clearly involved in some plot to usurp the Dutch establishment.
Dannybhoy67, doh! Bucharest.
Charibhoy, Bonn was capital of West Germany, and still is. Celtic Quick News does not recognise the reunification of Germany. :-)
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Re Pope's O'Rangers - thanks to all for the explanation - thought it might be a bit more intelligent than a simple wind up, but there you go :-)
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hairbhear - I'm with you on this one.
"The Chosen One" incites his players to cheat against us and then is indignant when a Barca player gets one of his players sent off!!
I personally quite like Jose, but he has done himself no favours with his comments from last nights game.
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I'm (more) confused but numbers is my game -
The Hague is the seat of government, but, somewhat anomalously, not the official capital of the Netherlands, a role set aside by the Dutch constitution for Amsterdam. The Hague hosts the Eerste Kamer (lit.: "First Chamber") or "Senaat" and the Tweede Kamer (lit.: "Second Chamber"), respectively the upper and lower houses forming the Dutch parliament. Also the Dutch Queen Beatrix lives and works in The Hague. All foreign embassies and most government ministries are located in the city, as well as the Supreme Court and many lobbying organisations.
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What do you expect from a country with two names Holland/Netherlands??
hey Kirsty I'm not just saying that cos they've got orange strips!!
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Paul67.……………….or any 1 in the Know…….?
A bit off topic ……………………….but
When is the CQN golf …………………….
test………..match…………..thing……….
I am planning 2 return the my native land ………………
And am trying to fit everything in……………….
BigjoewholivesinSpainbutisPlanning
someholidaysandFanciesafewBEERSswiththeCQNbHoys
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