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je m'appelle Paul Leguen.
Comment ca va?
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Can you imagine the gap between us and the rest if we were a 'work progressed'.It just wouldn't be exciting enough.
Thank Gord for experiments.
After last season, despite what they say, the majority of Celtic fans would have ripped your arm off if you could guarentee the league, LC Final as well as automatic(nearly) CL qualification.
p.s Hopefully Naka and our Polish Bhoys will put on agood show in WC..but not too good.;)
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Podium? Is it a fair reflection of progress to compare results i domestic leagues? There is no doubt we are a better team than the one in August, but the real test comes next year when we can compare to those other leagues in competitive games.
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the real test coem sin the CL but i have to give good marks to WGS so far , it would have been nice to test our new troops in the CL this year but now they go into the next campaign with far more faith in each others ability and as a better team. WGS will need to prove HE can hack it at CL level though, his euro experience aint exactly the highlight of his CV!!
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which are the other 5 leagues?
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good point paul re the young lhads come the end of the season. I'd much rather see what some of these lhads are like playing in the Celtic side rather than go on and trying to make some sort of record for most points or something
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paul you are correct we are making great progress and doing exceptionally well in league so why does brian quinn have to plead for the fans to get behind the manager (in interim accounts!)
i think mainly becos the fans are allowing the media to lead them. (there is the buckie bhoy..he's not celtic minded angle also...but lets not go there for now)they went to town on him/us after going out in first round in europe.
compare that with how the media commented on first souness then smith during rankers 9 in a row...
they concentrated on how great they were doing in a (weak league) and did not 'go to town' on their shambolic performances in europe.
how bad were they in europe during the 9in a row???..
to summarise..
OUT IN 1ST ROUND/1ST QUALIFIER.....4 TIMES!!
OUT IN 2ND ROUND/2ND QUALIFIER... TWICE
MADE GROUP STAGES 3 TIMES BUT IN 18 MATCHES ONLY MANAGED 3 WINS!!!
this at a time when they were spending huge sums.
were the rankers fans screaming for souness' or smiths' head when they won the league but went out in 1st round against such giants as ATHENS, LEVSKI SOFIA , SPARTA PRAGUE OR GOTHENBURG.......NO SIREE
but i would suggest about 40-50% of our fans would be happy to see wgs get the heave-ho at the end of the season.......
dont be led like sheep by the biased media!!!!
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Good point Paul. Id much rather see what some of these young lhads can do in the Celtic team rathger than go for some points record or something
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100% agree. Shrewd buys in the summer and we will have a formidable squad to contend for the prizes next year. The right blend of youth and experience should see us in good stead for the coming months and into next season. WGS must be given time. The blend of attacking football we have seen this season excites me and bar a few hiccups we have generally done well. For next year a long term successor to Lennon and or Keane must be found and next years aim is to stay in europe beyond christmas either in uefa of champions league. Expect "horses for courses" to mean a more squad rotated system next year. Every player knows under WGS if you train and perform well you will be rewarded.
Now.....for the league and the cup.
We shall not be moved.
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Paul67, if the frequency of articles is partly about bandwidth allowances, why this new one after the last one is on only 25 posts or so?
There's only really ever one discussion that's ongoing and it continues under each headline you give the site. Clearly your headlines influence the content but quite often it'll continue nonetheless. I'd have thought that if your thoughts were on bandwidth then the other thread would have been left to reach a few hundred posts. Now, it might be that no-one discusses that topic to the same degree.
Also, as I'm painfully nosey, where's the ads? Has that been answered already or do you a secret strategy up your sleeve?
As ever, if I can help with any techie stuff, let me know.
Hail Hail.
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Paul
By formidable do you mean in Scotland?
Or else do you think we will sign some genuine world class players in the summer.
How many of our current first team do you think would get a starting place in the likes of Barcelona, Juventus, Chelsea, AC Milan, Real Madrid, Bayern Munich etc?
I just don't think the current squad has enough class to compete against the big boys of Europe.
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Paul,
Thanks for the CTV answer on the last thread, I had thought it was the case that it didn't make any difference to Celtic how many subscribers were on board. Is there any thought in the near future that they will go it alone on the inhouse tv channel as I am certain that were the club to charge the £7.99 subs there would be a lot more interest.
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Stefski...
I recon about 5.
Boruc is better than V.Valdes.
Naka and Keano could probably fit in somwhere along the line.
Stan's had clubs of this calibre sniffing around before.
And as for Magic, well he's just...Magic!
Despite popular tabloid belief we do have some top notch players here.
The major rebuilding has taken place now we just need a few tweaks here and there.
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Paul,
I understand what you are saying, but don't wish to dampen your enthusiasm.
However.
Celtc need to gain 92+ points to show any level of consistency on last season or indeed progress.
For example, winning the league by 20 points, and only achieving 82 points ....what does that tell us?
Celtic should aim for 90 points plus per year, and hopefully that should win us the league.
However, real progress can only be measured by European progress, maintained by domestic dominance.
This is the poorest league for 20 years.
Ternar
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Kirsty, I'm not so sure about your percentage guess re. fhans wanting WGS. out. How this could be accurately gauged is anybody's guess. I think the pain of B.S. is still so accute, most fhans wanted a name!!?? manager..............but who? That to me is the question that I feel most dissenters couldn't answer!!!??? so why not rejoice in this current success?
This is a Golden age for the club............ no really. If, like me, you supported the club thro' the '80's and '90's, then you all know what I'm talking about!!!!????? Right? Get real people. This is a dream season if taken in context.
On a certain persons desperate attempts to aquire new finances........... I don't tend to indulge in spurious speculation!!!!, but, I know, heard it all before, but I can assure one and all that this is the real deal............
As has been alluded to on the last couple of threads, the money will indeed be coming from the former Soviet Rebuplic. A charming ?? individual will be bankrolling this individual for yet to be revealled rewards ???
So look out for the rags heralding the new Mr Big.........Bitema Handov.............
Some people have no shame. What was wrong with the adds Paul ????????? I think we should all be told the truth.
pablophanque
No.1 This day in History
I Should Be So Lucky - Kylie Minogue. 1988............(Paul???)
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kirstymccabe
you are paranoid if you think the media are biased against celtic.
you are also deluded if you think Gordon Strachan is doing a better job than what our own Tommy Burns could do.
However, I, like many Celtic supporters, support WGS as you call him.
Ternar
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I think of it as 'OUR' Gordon Strachan since he is the incumbent manager.
Unfortunately many people do not.
It reflects badly on us.
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BhoyBeattie, England, N Ireland, Wales, Israel, Iceland, Croatia.
Stevie21, we are in the middle of a reorganisation at the moment that is not going too smoothly.
Stefski, how many players would get into the Barca or Juve team is not the point, in the last decade or so, apart from Larsson no Celtic player would be automatic first choice at these clubs.
Bambi, I cannot see Celtic taking the TV channel in-house. They do not have the right skill set.
Ternar, totally disagree. Last season was much poorer than this season (Celtic were much worse and almost won it).
Many seasons during the 1990’s were awful for everyone, including Rangers. Even a poor Motherwell team came second once, as did a much worse Hibs team that the one currently in fourth place.
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Personally I'm delighted at where we find ourselves in the league at this stage.
However as a note of caution we have to look at the standard of our rivals in Scotland and more importantly remember we've won NOTHING yet.
Having said that I do believe we've made progress on last season. Ignoring points totals I can without doubt say that after last season I'm enjoying going back to Celtic Park again.
I'm also looking forward to seeing some more of our young guns before the season is over.
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paul
we will have to disagree. however, the difference between this season and last season is that rangers have have played mince. Otherwise we would have won the league last year by a country mile, almost like what we are gonnae do this season.
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ternar, don't agree with your comments re state of league this year compared to last. You say Rangers were mince last year, well we handed it to them. And they were mince. If you look at the big picture I think the leaugue is stronger this year as evidenced by the two Edinburgh clubs as well as a few others. Just because rangers are mince should not detract from our position or that of the other teams that are doing better.
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ternar - I don't think I'd be so quick to label this the poorest league in 20 years.
Normally only the top 2 or 3 of the entire league have a positive goal difference : the rest are all as bad as each other and then get the obligatory doing from the top clubs.
The gap's narrowed from top and from bottom and now 7 clubs out of 12 have a positive GD.
Hibs are only one point behind Rangers but just as though David Murray had scripted it, their momentum is in danger with the departure of O'Connor (and the soon to follow Riordan). Hearts' season since Burley left has lurched from one crisis to another and they're doing well to still be in 2nd!
If, after the league split both Edinburgh teams lose to Rangers and to us, the league table could look altogether different (apart from us still being top!). Will we be fielding the kids by then? ;-)
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Anyone know where i can find the codes to allow my dvd player to play DVD+RW?
I can't find them anywhere.
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How good was the league in 1967?
Or 1979?
Or 1988?
Or 1998?
How good were Manchester United in 1993 in comparison to 1994 or 1996 or 1999 or 2003? In each season how good were the 2nd placed teams?
How good is the Premiership this season in comparison to any other season - better or worse?
Juventus this season are on course to be the most dominant Seria A winning side ever, is this because Seria A is crap or Juventus are good?
How good is La Liga this season in comparison to 2003 when Real Madrid last won it?
Comparisons across different years and different competitions are irrelevant.
The SPL this season is more competitive and has more teams of comparable ability, CELTIC are 13 points better than the next best team.
End of.
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Paul,
Just looked up the dictionary to see the true definition of formidable.
Scotland, perhaps.
Europe, I can't see it unless we sign at least 2 world class players. Since we're downsizing I don't think it will happen.
sevilleorthebill?
I know we have decent players from watching them, I don't read the papers, but we don't have a team capable of hurting the bigger teams in the Champions League.
Just being honest with myself, not pessimistic. Everybody wants the best for Celtic but that doesn't mean it should cloud our judgement.
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Japan drew 2-2 with Bosnia in Dortmund. Both goals set up by Naka, first from a Naka corner, second a Naka cross.
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Sorry this is a bit off topic and I don't want to drag up the past or anything but.... With regards to the Peter Grant argument from last week, did anyone notice that Ian (Hatchet Face) Ferguson was inducted into the R*ngers Hall Of Shame yesterday. Now if EVER there was a talentless journeyman who pandered to the masses....
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Artur Boruc and Maciej Zurawski, meanwhile, could be asked to play two games in 24 hours by Poland.
Strachan will be monitoring the situation closely as his pair prepare for a friendly double header in Germany.
Poland face Bundesliga club side Kaiserslautern tonight before an international clash against the US 24 hours later.
Coach Pawel Janas has yet to confirm how he plans to utilise his squad for the matches, but with Celtic facing Aberdeen in a Bank of Scotland Premierleague encounter on Saturday, Strachan is likely to be furious if his players are requested to play twice in as many days.
If this is true then Celtic ought to at least appeal to Uefa. WGS needs to take a leaf out of SAF´s book and pull them all out.
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Kirsty,
Thanks for that info on Rangers in Europe. Really interesting. I knew they were bad then but I sort of pretended the whole 9iar thing was a bad dream and didnt pay any attention to them..s bit like Malone I left their run early after about 3 iar...you telling me they won NINE!....@#*€ me!
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Chalky78
'pandered to the masses'.
unfortunae turn of phrase.
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'Many seasons during the 1990’s were awful for everyone, including Rangers.'
Paul - surprised at the above comment. In the 90's the huns won 9 championships and were only narrowly prevented from making it 12 in a row because Henrik dragged us over the line in 97/98.
Sounds like much more of a generation of domination than the one we are allegedly enjoying!
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chalky......both 'players' have a helluva lot in common! the buckfast loyals would defend fergie in a similar fashion
i aint saying anything more on that debate!!!
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While I maybe don’t agree that this is the worst league for 20 years,I do have to say that the only reason that its more competative is because rangers are garbage and we are nowhere near as good a team as we have been in recent years (last season apart).
The fact that we sit 13 point ahead of the rest flatters us somewhat and is largely down to hearts being addicted to crisis.
There is a hell of a lot of work to do before we’re ready for the Champions League.
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FRank,
except Rangers were the whipping fodder of Europe bar one season. Seville still counts!
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Awe_Naw
I'm hundred percent sure your news ( citation) re.Boruc Zurawski and Janas are untrue.
Zbyszek Legia fan
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I once played against Iain Ferguson,when he was at Clyde and working as a hospital porter.
If I'd known then what I know now I would have tried even harder to kick him.
Even players with only a modicum of talent who get a game with the pros are head and shoulders above the rest of us,with our delusions of adequacy
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Chalky78 :- You may not like Ian Ferguson as a person, and I'll be the first to admit that he wasn't the happiest most outgoing personality to play at Ibrox. When it comes to the hall of fame though personality doesn't come into it, and Mr Ferguson has if I remember correctly the second highest medals total of any Rangers player, in my eyes he has earned his place.
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GMAN
i never said rangers were mince last year. I said they are mince this year.
ie as mince as the rest of the teams. this is the only difference in the league this season. We are plodding along almost the same as our performances last year, albeit with a different team.
All the other teams, plus rangers this season are just as good as one another, give or take a few points.
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Don't let any discussion regarding the beasts in Europe confuse you. It's the same with the McLeish vs O' Neill debate that some orcs try to get started. It's all nonsense and is an example of what the American political watchers call legacy shopping.
They are at the end of an unsuccessful era and are doing their Thatcher-like best to leave a historical footnote that shows them in a positive light, instead of the mince they are in.
Their legacy of this era will be two things: Officially worst Rangers team ever, and the 2003/4 Whitewash.
The simple truths are that they have been rubbish for five years, and we have had the upper hand almost everytime it has counted, and have made a real impact in Europe where we have won back respect.
Everyone on the continent regards their Last 16 place as a joke and a result of the worst league in the tournament's history.
Still hope they get pumped next week right enough...
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No offence intended edward but its on player's like Ian Ferguson where our clubs are different.
Greatest ever Celtic Player - Jimmy Johnstone.
Rangers equivalent - John Grieg.
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Paul 67,
We had a great opportunity to give Ferry and Lawson a run out against dunfermline at 5-1 instead what do we do bring on Thompson and then let Naka decide if he wants a game,
that was a missed opportunity and considering we don't get many opportunities (i.e. so many slender leads)I wonder when they will get another chance. I can accept Dublin getting a game as Hartson is suspended for the Cup Final and DD may need to be called upon, with Thompson he has had his time i would much rather Pearson was given a run out.
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Zbyszek,
you are probably right. I cut and past this from a Glasgow based broadsheet=(supposedly High brow)
http://www.theherald.co.uk/sport/57022.html
ask the author what his source of information is Martin.McMillan@theherald.co.uk
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Greetings from the back shift,
As thismancraig points out, with regards to one season and another, comparisons are odious. Notwithstanding, Celtic seem to be gaining momentum as this season progresses. My subjective perception has been telling me that the League is more competitive.
I was also perceiving this year how nobly we were playing the beautiful game and decided to look it up on a website, I am very pleased to see that my feelings have been vindicated.
1 Kilmarnock 25
2 Celtic 33
3 Aberdeen 40
4 Dunfermline 45
5 Hibernian 48
6 Motherwell 51
7 Rangers 52
8 Dundee Utd 53
9 Falkirk 56 10 Inverness 56
11 Hearts 66
12 Livingston 69
The teams with the fewest points are those which have fewest yellow, red cards.
As I was scarred in my plooky youth with the Argentinian influenced Atletico de Madrid European Cup semi final in 1974 and as the scandal of Racing Club is also in our collective psyche, I think it is important that we are able to win without strong-arm tactics.
It´s interesting to see Hearts are almost the dirtiest team in the League and that Falkirk, whom Kojo singled out for their stop 'em at all costs policy a couple of weeks back at Celtic Park, are no shrinking violets.
According to the table I came across Celtic have one double yellow and one red card so far this season. The double yellow was for Neil Lennon I think but I can't remember a red card!!
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Our Nt will play only two games there. Janas has for example 4 goalkeepers and said that everyone will play it's 45 minutes. Boruc, Dudek, Kowalewski from Spartak and Kuszczak from WBA. Same is with the others formations as well.
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Thismancraig,
as a footballer there is no comparison but in their private lifes I can´t remember any scandal associated with John Grieg. That could be my fading memory though!
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PrivateFraser :- An interesting post, I have to admit that results this season prove you right, the worst Rangers team ever took to the pitch this year, were we rubbish for the past five years? Maybe, but still good enough to take to titles from what many consider to be the best Celtic team and manager since the 60/70s. When you claim that everyone in Europe thinks of us being in the last 16 as a joke can you back this up, we may be the weakest of the teams there, and we may not have been in the strongest group, but we are there on merit, I haven't read of anyone on the continent describing it as a joke.
As an aside, if a team reaching the last 16 is a joke, what is the term for a team that can't get through the qualifiers?
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awe_naw,
I meant as players (and playing style) only.
Jinky was world class and on his video you get his Rangers equivalent talking about kicking him onto the touchline time after time.
To clarify, I like John Grieg - he is a Rangers Legend and everything that the likes of Ian Ferguson is not.
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Edwardsus,
I think Marvin would call it quite accurately ;-)
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Once upon a time at the foot of a great mountain,
there was a town where the people known as Happyfolk lived.
Their very existence a mystery to the rest of the world.
Obscured, as it was, by great clouds.
Here they played out their peaceful lives,
innocent of the litany of ecsesant and violence that was growing in the world below.
To live in harmony with the spirit of the mountain called Monkey was enough.
Then one day, a Strangefolk arrived in the town.
They came in camouflage, hidden behind dark glasses, but no one noticed them.
They only saw shadows. you see, without the truth of the eyes
the Happyfolk were blind...
Falling out of airplanes and hiding out in holes.
Waiting for the sunset to come, people going home.
Jump out from behind them and shoot them in the head.
Now everybody dancing, the dance of the dead,
the dance of the dead. the dance of the dead...
In time, the Strangefolk found their way into the higher reaches of the mountain,
and it was there that they found the Caves of Unimaginable Sincerity and Beauty.
By chance, they stumbled upon The Place Where All Good Souls Come to Rest.
The Strangefolk, they coveted the jewels in these caves above all things,
and soon they began to mine the mountain,
its rich seam fuelling the chaos of their own world.
Meanwhile, down in the town, the Happyfolk slept restlessly, their dreams invaded by shadowy figures digging away at their souls.
Every day, people would wake and stare at the mountain.
Why was it bringing darkness into their lives?
And as the strange folk mined deeper and deeper into the mountain,
holes began to appear,
bringing with them a cold and bitter wind that chilled the very soul of the Monkey.
For the first time, the Happyfolk felt fearful,
for they knew that soon the monkey would stir from its deep sleep.
Then there came a sound, distant *at first, that grew into a *castrophony so immense,
that it could be heard far away in space.
There were no screams.
There was no time.
The mountain called monkey had spoken.
There was only fire.
And then,
nothing...
Oh little town in USA, the time has come to see
there's nothing you believe you want
but where were you when it all came down on me?
Did you call me out?
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STOP IT!!!! Lies, damned lies and stats - why so much energy wasted on trying to compare incomparables? You can rarely compare performances from one game to the next with any real meaning, never mind year on year comparisons with the countless permutations that can be thrown up by the numerically literate. All that matters is the Here and Now - we can't change the past or second-guess the future. Right now we are the best team in Scotland, accept it and enjoy it.
Hibs and Hearts fans will tell you that their current teams are the best they have had for many seasons yet some on here say we can only compare ourselves to Rangers. Rangers fans and the media told us they would be stronger this year than last - and on paper their squad probably is. After August who on here truly believed we would be fighting for anything better than 2nd spot?
But here we are clear at the top and some can only fret and worry about the unknown. Worrying about games in the CL next August when we are still in February really is a rather depressing way to live.
There is help available you know . . .
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rintimtim
The red card was for Alan Thompson in the same game as Lennon's two yellows.
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Thismancraig :- You raise a very valid point in that, one thing I would say however is that Mr Grieg wasn't voted greatest ever player, my vote for that would have went to Davy Cooper. He was voted greatest Ranger, not just for his play, but he played in two European finals, captaining us to winning one of them, he played his entire career with us, he was club captain and manager, and to this day is one of the most highly respected figures at Ibrox. What it does show though is a variance in football philosophy between the two clubs that has long existed, at the risk of gross simplification I would say Celtic get a flowing midfield and attack and then try to fit a defence in somewhere behind, Rangers get a strong solid defence and then try to build an attack in front of it. When either team gets both right they tend to hit one of their purple patches with a team that gets talked about for a long time and over the years it would seem that both approaches work equally well. How this came about I don't know and my knowledge of Celtics early teams is less than sketchy, but from as far back as I know Rangers have always went for a strong defence and I would say it's no coincidence that our worst run of results in history came when we had our worst defence that I can think on.
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Off topic.
Theres an interesting article currently on etims concerning recent focus groups at Celtic, querying the fans over the season tickets value for money.
Anyone here have any suggestions on how things could be improved? I for one would agree with the better facilities around the stadium.
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Edward,
I think I agree with most of that, except Davie Cooper - although he played mostly before my time(he left Rangers when I was 8) - I heard he was over-rated!!!
As you say, Grieg comes across as a respectable man and is an asset to Rangers.
Emerson gets my vote as greatest ever.
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AweNawNoAnnoniOnAnawNoo :- LMAO, maybe that's our problem this year, when we try to play poetic football it's vogon ispired :-)
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RinTim - red was Alan Thompson v TFOD in August...
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Hi Paul
Yes it's nice to be so far ahead in the league. However, you can look at this as a glass half full, or half empty, depending on how you view things.
Celtic are by far and away, ahead of everyone else in the SPL. The team attitude of saying the league isn't our's until it's mathematically impossible for anyone else to win it, is also encouraging. However, the current standard of virtually all other teams in the SPL is woeful. Rangers appear to be imploding on the field, financially, and just about every way possible. Hearts are ruled by a nutter, who in the long term, will do more harm than good - though I'm not complaining about this you understand.
The real test will be next year in Europe. I've said it before, no matter how much we win the league by, it will be forgotten in an instant if we have a repeat of Artmedia. What I think is realistic would be to qualify for the 2nd stage of the Champions league. Unlike Rangers, it would be good to achieve this by beating creditable opposition. With all due respect to Edward Ursus, Porto are hardly the same team Celtic faced in Seville.
I can agree with Thismancraig that league position isn't the be all and end all - look at Arsenal. Their league form is rubbish by their standards, but they did a job on Real, in Madrid. But can't agree with his comment that the SPL is more competitive. Celtic are streets ahead, then a gap to Hearts, Hibs, and You Know Who. then another gap from the Also Rans, to the Never Have Beens. Sorry if that sounds harsh, but that's the reality.
Ultimately, Celtic are in the enviable position that everyone else in Scotland is desparate for. Top of the league, and not having David Murray as chairman. Now they need to capitalise on it.
Hail Hail
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Paul67 - have the plans to develop the land around the stadium (and the old primary school) been shelved for the time being?
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Paul, am I redundant now???
cta
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BhoyinEngland,
I am of the opinion that Hearts are much improved under Romanov and Hibs are a better prospect this season too.Results and sqaud strengths (i.e plaers being capped or brought in or sought after is very much increased within Edinburgh). I also think that Kilmarnock and Caley are a better prospect than they were last year. Rangers lost Michael Ball but bought in about 5 new players.They have had their worst run domestically with their best run in the CL Motherwell are there usual selfs and Aberdeen have been dissapointing.
How do you come to your opinion ?
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Awr Naw No Annoni
Quite simply really. Imagine Kilmarnock playing in La Liga. Caley in the Italian league, or Motherwell in Germany. They would get horsed every week.
I'll grant you Hibs have improved, but I can't see Hearts maintaining where they are. Rix is only there because he has nowhere else to go. He is a fall guy for Romanov for when things go wrong. And they will.
As for Rangers, yes they are having a disaster in the SPL. With regard to Europe, they have achieved the mark of getting to the last 16. Can't knock that, but I would add the caveat that they did it against sides that were also struggling, and by a points tally that is the lowest ever for a side to reach the last 16.
Hail Hail
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I've posted this before but it is our away form that has got us so far ahead in the league. Our home record (32 pts GD +19) is not really that much better than the teams below us - Hearts 34pts, GD +24 and Rangers 30pts GD +19. Although granted Hearts and Rangers have played a game more (14 compared to our 13).
However contrast the away form of the three teams.
Celtic 35pts GD +27
Hearts 20 pts GD +8
Rangers 16 pts GD -4
It's the wins at Ibrox, Tynecastle, Easter Road, Pittodrie and Rugby Park that have got us where we are.
Right who's for starting the debate on home fans v away fans?
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BHoyinengland,
So what your saying is that in previous seasons Motherwell Kilmarnock Caley would not get a gubbing in la Liga or Bundesliga ?
I would focus on Romanov rather than Rix at Hearts and I agree Hibs have improved. Only Rangers have nose dived Imho
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haud the bus
bit early to talk about us being formidable next season. we could so with something resembling a defence first. a better season than anticipated, yes, but events at Swinecastle and Mordor were hardly anticipated either.
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Stefski and Jocky bhoy;
Thanks for updating the red card count.Thommo is always in the thick of it at Ibrox.
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Awe Naw No Annoni
Nope, not saying that at all. Let's put it another way, imagine the current Birmingham side were playing in the SPL. Now Birmingham are a team struggling at the wrong end of the EPL. But how do you think they would feel about playing Motherwell, Kilmarnock etc as oppsed to Chelsea, Arsenal etc.
Sure they wouldn't get the revenue they do now, but the games would be far easier for them. I doubt very much they would be stuck in a relegation battle every week.
We can sugar coat it all we like, but the truth is, on a week in, week out basis, Celtic aren't really being stretched by SPL opposition. They have the occasional fight on their hands, but let us be honest here, we expect Celtic to win virtually every game, home and away in the SPL. Year in, year out. They aren't too many other leagues in the world where that happens.
Celtic are really the only bit of class in a league that's simply mince.
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Edward @ 3.51. the term is ‘work in progress
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Bhoyinengland,
Your original assertion that he SPL is of far lower quality this year I dont agree with and I cant see where your previous analogies back that up. Historically Scotland is a weak league. There is no debate about that. Celtic Rangers Dundee utd Aberdeen have all competed in more European cup finals than Birmingham . I think that not only has the quality improved (look at where Hearts are ?) How well Hibs are doing. Rangers have nose dived but as I say; Was Michael Ball really that good and important to them ? You really think so ?
In fact if Hibs or Hearts were to play Birmingham tommorrow I would fancy Hearts or Hibs taking them and I woul dprobably get decent odds as well knowing the English obsession with how good their own league is.
I also have to say I have stated this often in previous posts. I see the Scottish obsession with all things EPL an absolute irrelevance.
I still dont think you have demonstrated clearly why you think the SPL is of lower quality this year
Hail Hail
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Rangers win the league on last day as a faltering Celtic snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
No quality of league headlines.
Rangers make extensive close season signings to "strengthen" team.
Hearts get massive investment and make a genuine charge on SPL.
Hibs youngsters playing exciting, challenging but inconsistent footbal.
Celtic have stuttering start to season losing at Ibrox.
League is competitive, thrilling and wide open.
Celtic hit a form streak.
Hearts' challenge founders.
Rangers stumble as they are unable to cope with CL and SPL games as predicted on this portal at season's start.
League is worst in living memory.
Not in my book.
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OH dear Frankie bhoy!!
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bhoyinengland -
There could be a renaissance in the SPL, let's face it it could hardly have got any worse. I felt that MON always strove to complement other teams, he always respected the other teams. If it were up to the Beast who sloped off to England and who would insist to this day that you need to go to England to make it we would be even more in the mire. Look at his sidekick Smith, He doesn´t pick Kris Boyd even though he is SPL top scorer. Instead he finds room in his squad for a certain Naysmith, I've nothing against the lad, who he even admits is not in the Everton team. He hopes that putting Naysmith in the Scotland squad will kickstart his Everton career!! jobs for the boys or what?
Derbyshirebhoy - Can you see why some people choose to play for Ireland? The loyal scots are often the first to put the boot into the homegrown talent.
(still getting to grips with Don´tbrattback trying to shadow Ferguson at shawfield!!)
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Timmy7 :- Fair enough, but remember that means next year you have to at least reach the last 16 or be branded a joke :-)
GavilGuy :- I tend to agree with you there, the league is the league, you can only beat who is in front of you, some years it's win by a large margin other years it's a close contest, either way you have to do better than any other team over the course of the season, cups can lie, but the team at the top of the league at the end is the best in the land, and if it's bye a wide margin then it's because they are that much better over the season. If your team keeps it's current lead then it fully deserves it, but what I would say is that before they can be considered a good team they will have to get a good settled defence, and to be classed as a more than good team will have to show signs of Paul's vision, or mirage as I prefer to think on it :-)
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I'd rather not talk about tfod as a rule but I will say that I was happier when Cooper played rather than Mark Walters.
And Kirsty lay off the Buckie!! It's like listening to Helen Liddell.
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Zybszek,
do you know if the Polan USA game is televised on German TV ?
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Awe_Naw
Here is the answer. We won today v.Kaiserslautern 3:1. Boruc and Zurawski did't play.
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Gavil Guy
The league is not the worst in living memory, but neither is it a good league when everything is taken into account.
Hearts made a very good start to the league, but as soon as George Burley was off, then Hearts start to falter. Coincidence: I think not. Romanov has put money into the side, but his style of ownership is at best debatable. Hearts is not his only involvement in football, so just where do his loyalties really lie? To himself, and only himself I suspect.
Hibs, as you say, are inconsistent. Could maybe also described as a work in progress, but nothing more as yet.
Rangers problems have been well documented on here, and loads of other websites.
The league is not however, wide open. We cannot make the assumption that it's all done and dusted. But with the lead we now have it surely a case that no one else can actually win it. Only Celtic can lose it.
Competitive: Eh, not really. Celtic are way clear at the moment with 3 teams fighting for 2nd place. One could argue, that for these teams it is competitive. The rest are nowhere.
Thrilling: When your team wins 1 - 8, or beats you greatest rivals at their ground, then you betcha it's thrilling.
No, the league ain't the worst in living memory, but it is still one of the po
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Gavil Guy
The league is not the worst in living memory, but neither is it a good league when everything is taken into account.
Hearts made a very good start to the league, but as soon as George Burley was off, then Hearts start to falter. Coincidence: I think not. Romanov has put money into the side, but his style of ownership is at best debatable. Hearts is not his only involvement in football, so just where do his loyalties really lie? To himself, and only himself I suspect.
Hibs, as you say, are inconsistent. Could maybe also described as a work in progress, but nothing more as yet.
Rangers problems have been well documented on here, and loads of other websites.
The league is not however, wide open. We cannot make the assumption that it's all done and dusted. But with the lead we now have it surely a case that no one else can actually win it. Only Celtic can lose it.
Competitive: Eh, not really. Celtic are way clear at the moment with 3 teams fighting for 2nd place. One could argue, that for these teams it is competitive. The rest are nowhere.
Thrilling: When your team wins 1 - 8, or beats you greatest rivals at their ground, then you betcha it's thrilling.
No, the league ain't the worst in living memory, but it is still one of the poorer leagues in Europe.
Hail Hail
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Edward,
Fair point old man. in terms of what I would call a team that could never qualify, charitably I would call them unlucky, in terms of dodgy late goals/penalties conceded, but probably more accurately, naive in the way concentration lapses led to those bouts of bad luck.
Either way, I would put to you that any Celtic team of the last five years would have qualified out of the group Rangers found themselves in where they could have made it through with six points, considering that we have been in groups with at least two very high quality sides on every trip to the CL stages, usually three, counting Rosenborg, Anderlecht and Shaktar as all decent sides.
Please forgive the bitterness but to have been denied at the final hurdle when we had played so well so many times against so many good teams, it still rankles to hear the gloating from some (I wouldn't say yourself) amongst your support about making it so far without acknowledging the lucky breaks that got you guys there.
I know it is churlish, but isn't that the nature of football rivalry...
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BhoyinEngland
So neither is the EPL competitive as Chelsea are way ahead of the rest. I think the 250m pound that Abramovich has pumped into Chelsea makes the EPL an even more uneven playing filed than even the SPL at the moment. I think th epoints difference will back up my argument there.
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Private Fraser :- I can assure you there was nothing to forgive, as you say it's the nature of rivalry and long may it continue if we all agreed about football even with other fans of our own team it would lose a huge part of it's attraction. Plus I would then find this site a very boring place to visit :-)
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Edward, you mentioned yesterday that the gersforum gave a more balanced/critical viewpoint of your team. I thought I would have a wee peek but couldn't as I wasn't registered and if I'm correct, I would be welcomed as a bluenose if I did join.................. Aint gonna happen BTW. Is this the case?
Seems a bit protectionist as I would have been interested to see what it was like over in "The Dark Side"
pablophanque
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Denia Bhoy...
But here we are clear at the top and some can only fret and worry about the unknown. Worrying about games in the CL next August when we are still in February really is a rather depressing way to live.
The future belongs to those who prepare for it today.
Malcom X said that. I tend to agree with it.
/p
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Don'tbrattbackinanger - I´m afraid that you and Ian Ferguson are nautically linked, he´s doing some hard labour "down under" as the manager of Central Coast Mariners
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Awe No Naw Annoni
You keep mentioning Michael Ball. Why? I haven't said a word about him. For what it's worth, I didn't rate him anyway.
I haven't said the SPL is lower quality this year. I have said it's lower quality period. And it is. You have not demonstarted one example of how it has improved compared to other European countries. And that is the yardsstick we have to be measured by.
Your comment about Birmingham not competing in Europe (Have they ever?) is irrelevent. The point I was making was that a poor side from England, or if you prefer, Spain, Italy, Germany etc wouldn't probabaly be struggling in Scotland. This year, or any other.
Rintimtim
I agree that you don't have to slope off to England to make it. Why else would Stan Petrov have stayed at Celtic? As EdwardUrsus pointed out, you can only play who's in front of you. But, if we are to use our league position to judge where Celtic are in footballing terms we could be in for a nasty surprise. The only way we can truly judge how good Celtic are is against good quality European opposition.
We won't be in a position to say how good we really are until next season.
By the way Edward, I for one hope Paul's vision is somewhat more than just a mirage :-)
Hail Hail Got to go to work now.
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Awe Naw No Annoni
Agree with the comment about Chelsea, and their money. Attendances in England have dropped quite dramatically, and Ambramovich is getting most of the blame for this. It actually gives me great pleasure, when for years I have had to endure from Englishmen that the SPL was only a 2 horse race, that I can retort that the EPL is now a 1 horse race.
And now I really do have to get to work. All the best
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I think that the whole of Scottish football has to be viewed as a 'work in progress'.
In reality, most teams have had to move away from the strategy of only signing third rate foreigners in favour of some kind of youth policy - and we are only beginning to see the results of that with Hibs and Celtic both slightly ahead of the game.
Coversely, Rangers have not made that adjustment and have embarked on a flawed strategy of looking for Bosmans with a 'sell on' potential.
So in that respect, I think that we could all conclude that Rangers are indeed mince and have to play catch-up.
But I genuinely think that the SPL needs to get back to being a net exporter of players rather than an importer given the size and wealth of our league. In making that adjustment, we are seeing a gradual improvement all ways around that should filter through even to the International side eventually.
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Pablophanque You should be able to get in though not post without registering, whether you get welcomed as a bluenose I honestly can't remember, but I know there are a couple of Celtic supporters registered on it and who make regular posts.
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Those well meaning chaps, "The Junglebhoys" are looking for volunteers to help with a streamer display this Saturday. All details are HERE
pablophanque
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Bhoyinengland
you said;
. However, the current standard of virtually all other teams in the SPL is woeful
Celtic being 13 points clear does not diminish the quality of the SPL that they are playing in. The same could be said of the top 5 throughout Europe. Now I will agree that the quaulity of the SPL is not to the standard of the top 5. It doesn´t mean that WGS Celtic are poor in fact we would be second in the league below which I reckon means would give WGS Celtic a good chance against the likes of PSV, Lyon, Bremen, Werder Bremen, Villa Real etc. we would not be outclassed imho. Artmedia was an abberation
Chelsea 15 pts. clear
Juventus 10 " "
Bayern 9 " "
Barca 8 " "
PSV 7 " "
Lyon 6 pts clear (game in hand)
I think the factor that Rangers have nose dived in the spl that a lot of doubting Timises ;-) coupled with the Artmedia and Clyde results are knocking the quality of WGS Celtic and by implication the current SPL, I dont buy it I believe it has improved and is far more pleasing on the eye to watch, I include Celtic in that as well. Thank god not before time. The Pars win at CP and the D.U draw as somebody pointed out earlier is probably due to the poor and nervy home support.
I mention Michael Ball as he is the only player to have left Rangers in the summer although the full back who ended up in Sheffield may have been another (His name escapes me) last year and they reinforced with 4-5 new players, not to mention their young lads who are playing pretty good at the moment Burke, Hutton, Smith etc. So Rangers any way you look at it strengthened their playing staff. It got them into the last 16 of the CL. Yet they are still floundering against the likes of Hearts, Hibs, Kilmarnock, ICT so I was only making the point that the "current standing" of "virtually all of the SPL teams" has improved.
If Romanov has learned from the Burley affair and he squeezes a CL place then it may not be Rix who is spending his money next year and Rangers bettrer look out.
Mowbray has no problems about Sellin O´ Connor becuase he belives that the lad Fletcher is a better player. Hibs have more in store as well. The SPL has not been a procession this year and has as gavil guy pointed out "the most open in years"
If you want to argue that the standard of the SPL teams compared to the big 5 is always crap then your just stating the obvious.
Hail Hail
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The strength of our league is an irrelevance to how we will perform in Europe next season.
We have players who can make an impact Artur Boruc - he will be outstanding in away legs.
Naka and Aiden and Kojo's playmaker will unlock defences at Parkhead.
Majic allied to the pace of Miller will trouble any defence next season.
If we sort out the defence especially left back we will have a team to grace the shirt.
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Aw naw- can't find any listings on German tv of Poland v USA tomorrow. But this is what live games could be picked up in Germany, depending on Cable links...
ARD Italy v Germany
ORF1 [Austrian Channel] Austria v Canada
SF2 [Swiss Channel] Scotland v Switzerland
Eurosport France v Slovakia
(These Channels are all listed in a German TV mag)
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Matt_the_bhoy,
thanks for that. Here is a VERY GOOD website
http://www.satfootball.com/
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OH DEAR FRANKIE BHOY LINK IN FULL
http://www.ontheterraces.com/OnTheTerraces/ProductTypeDisplay,$DirectLink.direct?sp=3&sp=6
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bhoy molloy-
poor Frank.
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noel.
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Each and every time we win the league it's because of a weak League of TFOD were poor. We can never win anything on our own merits. © Scottish media
Well, I'm prepared to accept that. As long as we're better than the rest, that's all that counts. It doesn't matter if it's 8-1 or 1-0, as long as we win it!
Don't listen to the media, come on here and listen to the people who care.
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Frank McAvennie Clip .
What a major disappointment he has become.
He now tries to refute that he offered his services to TFOD .A La MOJO,however Agent orange McMurdo stated that his services were declined by TFOD he second time he returned to Scotland.
Celtic TV etc should distance themselves from this idiot.
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Poor Frankie looks half cut and is doing these clips for a few bob for a bottle of wine.
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Pablophanque at 2.16, i agree that the nineties were a horror story,however,i think the eighties were much more productive than you perhaps remember,during that decade we were the most successful team domestically,we played some great football,we had a justifiable case for being cheated out of a potentially excellent EUFA cup run,(remember rapid vienna,a club whose name i will not even dignify with capital letters),the decade was topped off with that quite unforgettable centenary championship win and Scottish cup double,we saw the very best of players like Mc Stay,Nicholas,McClair,Burns,we even won the league in the most dramatic circumstances,(Love St),put it this way,i would galadly take a decade such as that one again.
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P8ddy
Great quote from the great man........I think it is highly unlikely given the hours that GS puts in, and his attention to detail, that he is not planning for August and beyond.
PL and GS have also brought in the fellow Clarke to forward plan and identify suitable talent at the right market price.
I'd be very surprised if the custodians of our great club were not planning that far ahead...
Hopefully he is not fretting too much though as our record in CL is quite shocking, so he really has very little to compete with.
2x 3rd places, 1x 4th place and 2x did not qualify.
Ternar
Do you honestly not see any difference between the way Celtic are playing this season and last year ?
Last year to me was the worst in my 40 years of supporting (attend over 80% of matches). I say that because we were a group of overpaid, unfit, prima donnas who unlike in the 80s and 90s we (the fans)had paid top dollar for. These guys let us all down very badly, we should not have needed the Artmedia game to qualify.
This year after getting rid of a few and making it clear to others that the attitude would not be allowed we have a different spectacle. Sure they are less experienced in the main, less expensive, and the crowd are quicker to turn on the team during games, as if for some reason they think this will help. They are however working 50% harder than last year, they are a lot fitter and are scoring more goals.
Is the SPL better or not ? The only barometer as to whether Rangers are better or worse is the CL and this year they are (luckily IMO) in the last 16, last year they went out in a qualifier and in UEFA groups.
For me I would take this years experience 10 times out of 10 vs last, as long as we had a European game thrown in.
Was I more depressed on trip home from Donetsk or Artmedia ? I reckon Donetsk, all the way. 0 points from 3 CL games, out 1-9 goal difference left us playing for scraps with an aging, broken, expensive team. At least we have some life about the place now, some optimism and some sense of purpose.
The myth that we achieved great things and 'progressed' in Europe has to be balanced by the phrase 'at a certain level'. At CL level we have underachieved massively. Rangers have shown it is possible to progress, PSV have shown you don't need a big budget (60% of MON budget took them to S/F last year).
Much as I love Tommy Burns, I am not sure of your claim that he would do better than GS as Celtic manager. There is little to substantiate that. I do know that for some reason Celtic fans would cut him a fair bit more slack than they do to GS.
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Hi all
I think it is vitally important for fans not to count their chickens about winning the league and therefore playing CL football next season.There is still 11 games to go and hopefully we will win it well before the seasons end, then young players could be blooded.
Hopefully the scouting network will produce the necessary players to bolster the team, personally I just want to win this league ASAP.
The joint TV rights of the big three in Italy would mean if it were ever allowed here Celtic joining up with our rivals with the dreaded Old Firm tag again applicable ,as has been stated here by many posters we are Celtic not the Old Firm, wee can stand on our own two feet, as our survival and subsequent revival has proven.
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p8ddy (from last post)
ABSOLUTELY SUPERB!! QUALITY POST!!
WELL DONEE!!
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johnyquest
Agree the 80s were lots of fun and lots of tears too.
We blew 3 league titles from hugely dominant positions. We lost our to Forrest after doing the hard work in the away leg and v Sporting Lisbon in Rnd 2. We lost to Sociedad after beating Ajax. We lost to Rapid after winning ! in the Cup Winners Cup !....and the Partizan Belgrade Game too !
A memorable decade of passionate football.
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Burnley-
have to agree with you about last season.
0-2 defeat to hearts-we were rank.
2-1 victory over hearts at tyncastle-what a horrible game of "football".
Scottish Cup Final-worst ever-murder to watch.
Two defeats to rangers in november and the one in February-how bad were we ?
If it wasn,t for Bellamy adding that wee bit of sparkle to the latter half of the season-the league may well have been lost long before it was.
noel.
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Platowasatim-
is your carer away home early.....?
:P
noel.
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EdwardUrsus @4.05
You say John Greig is to this day one of the most respected figures at Ibrox.The gentle folk at the Follow Follow Fanzine might have something to say about that.Howeveryou may be correct in that he less disrespected than Martin Bain or David Murray in that publication.As far as Ian Ferguson goes the comment by Margaret Thatcher regarding Wille Whitelaw comes to mind"Every Prime Minister(or team) needs a Willie
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Off topic here. Just a quick question. Has there ever been a video/dvd made documenting the whole Celtic v Racing club debacle?
It was before my time and I am aware of most of the story. But I would love to see for myself the true story, even from both sides.
Hail,hail
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I think the debate over good league poor league is irrelevant. Any team winning the league by a large points total should only be congratulated and pushing the blame onto all the other teams is taking away from a magnificent season. Some are saying the real test will be when we play Champions League football. Not necessarily. Look at how well Rangers are doing this year. They are in the last 16 and are 21 points behind us in the league. Everyone would accept that MON had made Celtic a force again however Sevile wouldn't have happened if we hadn't been knocked out in the qualifying stages of the Champions league.
Lastly I have noticed that teams can change very quickly. You bring in one or two good players to sort out the defense, don't sell anyone (I include Bobo) and you are lucky with injuries we might be able to emulate the huns or go one better.
However Neil Lennon and BBJ leave Keane and Magic get injured and Stan moves on then we might struggle.
Give me a 13 point lead and a 21 point lead over the Huns going into March anytime for the next 10 years. You won't see me complaining.
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Awe Naw, agree with you on the EPL, and so do the stats, it has the biggest points gulf between top and second.
Bhoyinengland, The SPL is of a lower standard than the EPL, but is compares well with any similarly sized country, and outperforms most by a mile.
We will never be Italy or Spain, but in the UEFA coefficient table the SPL out points countries like Turkey, Austria, the whole of Scandinavia, and the whole of Eastern Europe apart from Russia.
HamptonTim, fair point about the whole league being a work in progress.
AnnoniMoose 7:56, totally agree.
Neil McCallum, excellent point. Next season, if we progress from the CL group stage we will hear ‘so what, a poor Rangers team done that last season. The standard in the CL has slipped.’
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Druiddude :- I don't get the printed version and I can't see anything on the online version, however I have often said the eyes of the majority of Rangers fans John Greig is a legend, he came in at the end of one really good Rangers team and ended his career with another, in between was a bleak time for Rangers fans due to a certain Mr Stein, he was a more skilful player than many remember and as a player I would say he was in the same mold as your own Mr Keene. He was captain of the team through both thick and thin times, as a manager I think the biggest mistake was in him moving straight from dressing room to office and that lack of experience cost him. He win the vote for greatest Ranger, and has lifted a European trophy as captain. With that record and much as I always try not to be derogatory, you would have to have a screw loose to claim to support Rangers and not consider him a legend and give him the respect due to a man of his stature who has done what he has for the club.
Apologies to more orthodox CQN fans for the post, but it does relate to earlier postings :-)
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Edward-
John Greig was a player-
not a Beckenbauer-
but,
dare I say it,
Neil Lennon reminds me of him..........
noel.
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noel90
You are right, the Bellamy sparkle nearly pulled it off, but no one was really kidded that it was a pleasure to watch.
I remember having a look at training one morning 2 or 3 weeks prior to the end of last season and the attitude and discipline was a disgrace. Thompson / Sutton not even bothering, standing chatting, Walford standing disinterested and Robertson having a fag. Belamy the only one really puting in a shift.....it was no wonder they ran out of steam. Sadly it reframed my perspective. This was an average team who achieved good over the piece (7 trophies in 5 years) because they were saved by one man.....'The King of Kings'.
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In fairness to Edward, I started the John Grieg stuff!
Burnley, I hope we are as average again soon because I watched an 'average' Bayern Munich team jump for joy when they scraped a draw at our wee stadium.
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Burnley-
I think you are doing that team a dis-service-from the Uefa Cup run to Seville and the following Champions League campaign-we were as strong as anybody in Europe.
If it hadn,t been for magus hedman and Bobos handball we would surely have graced the semi-finals of The Champions League.
For that spell alone I will always be gratefull.
You might just have hit the nail on the head with your comment about Henrik-
He made the difference between a very good team and a great team.
noel.
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EdwardUrsus @9.32
Personally I would agree with everything you say about John Greig.I would add only that I seem to remember that as manager he had one very exciting European campaign.The very hostile articles about Greig appear in the print version of Follow Follow and are directed at him in his capacity as P.R. man at Ibrox and his inaction over the many slurs to which the fans are (allegedly)subjected to in the press.Basically the F.F. line is that he has forfeited his title to a Rangers great by his slovenly exercise of his PR duties.But then he is in good company and as FF feel the same about Terry Butcher,Ally McCoist,Mark Hately and D.J. and uncle Tom Cobley each of whom is felt to have betrayed the club in different ways.It would appear to be most difficult to maintain the standard that Mr Dingwell sets for those he deems Ranger Greats
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Noel,how did it feel when we won the Coronation cup?,like most posters here i wasn't around at the time and can only rely on witnesses such as your good self for first hand observations of this wonderful event,go on,tell us how it was back then.
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Is it true that you shared one giant bunnet with Bobby Russell?.
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Johnnyquest-
I am not taking the bait.
My great-granny says you tried it on with her at my Christening........
and Plato had to pull you off her........
:P
noel.
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Johnnyquest.
We got a day off school to celebrate the Coronation Cup win.
Also stood in the rain to plant trees in the swing park.
We all received a mug to commemorate the victory.
At least that what I tell my grandkids.
'GG
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Druid dude :- I would venture to guess that whatever the level the standard is set at, it has little to do with football.
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I find it difficult to understand why fans still criticise the team's achievments this year.
I think after Black Sunday, the frustrations and anger from that day carried over to the start of the new season for both the team and the fans, is it any wonder we had the shaky start that we did.
As usual the media will try their best to undermine any achievements by calling us the 'best of a bad bunch'.
Just watch the media reaction if ranjurs manage to pip Hertz to second place, they will get more credit for that than Celtic will for winning the league.
Let's get behind the team AND the manager and prepare for a better start to next season with a more confident and settled side.
Bring it on !
Hail Hail
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And It's Good Morning from me,
Nightshif has arrived.....
Hail Hail
SPC whowantstoknowwhynoelwonttakethebait
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SingaporeCelt :- And good almost morning from here, in answer to your question I would guess that the wrong bait was used, he seems more of a prawn sandwich type ;)
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Can we stop talking about Gohn Jreig?
Who cares about Honj Reigg anyway?
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An old topic here but for what its worth I think some of us a wee bit hard on Tommy Burns and his time in charge.
When he first took over I remember him going to spent time at Ajax to study their methods and youth set up. This was very positive and for the first wee while the football was a joy to behold. Remember the interplay involving Jackie Mac and Simon Donnelly. But as the pressure mounted to end rankers run he upset the balance of his "work in progress" and signed Paulo Di Canio.
IMO all the good work and systems Tommy tried to achieve went out the window and the tactics quickly became - give the ball to Di Canio.
While we all gazed on in amazement at the sublime skills of him turning players inside out and then going back and doing it again, eventually to run out of space or getting chopped down the rest of the team lost its focus on the masterplan.
Meanwhile over on the dark side Laudrop was beating his man just the once then getting in a cross which resulted in goals and all three points as opposed to our draws.
If Tommy Burns did not have the pressure of ending 7 then 8 in a row he may well have gone on to add a bit of steel and weight to what was a very entertaining team.
Or is that just a lame excuse for finding a reason to dislike Di Canio.
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I always thought there was something fishy about home......
ANy Shaun Maloney, Player Of The Year!!
Hail Hail
SPC
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I shed a tear on the Friday evening it was announced when Burns got sacked.....
The guy done well considering the TFOD were in their element......
Tommy, was a good manager at Celtic Football Club and all the lads were great..... :>)
Hail Hail
SPC
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Edward
Won't disagree with you on John Greig. Always passed the "would enjoy a pint with the guy" test IMHO. Can't say the same about Mr Ferguson and I'm surprised to see you endorsing him. A troubled individual.
Seen him deliberately kick the ball in the face of a young Celtic fan, at short range and with some force, at East End Park when he was a Dunfermline player. He should have been arrested, never mind sent off that day, and he nearly sparked a pitch invasion. He was being taunted I admit, but that's hardly the way a grown man responds.
Dignity not his middle name, in contrast with John Greig, who, while as many posters last night recalled, played for Rangers in an unreconstructed era, he was a hard opponent but knew the boundaries. He had a sporting ethic (Bobby Lennox I suspect may not agree!) and socialised with celtic players (drank that is) off the pitch and has done many things to foster healthier rivalries and relations between our clubs.
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Does anyone know if any progress was made in naming this years CIS cup final, the Jock Stein Final.
It does seem appropriate.
Any views?
I believe Motherwell and Edward's team renamed last seasons final in memory of Mr D Cooper.
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Singapore Celt, where's home?
Grimsby? Ho ho.
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monthehoops - there is a documentary which was shown on Celtic TV and, at one point, could be downloaded.
I don't have too much detail to hand but my email address is on my profile
and on my charity site where I can find much more.
shamelessplug csc
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Noel,i'm not surprised your not taking the bait,YOUR TOO OLD TO CHEW IT.
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More accurate Noel. Henrik was here under Dr Jo and we finished a good bit behind rangers that season. To say that team is average and the progression in europe was mythical is taking the defence of this seasons wip too far! Maybe I did dream about that night in the Camp Nou, it was a wonderful dream, do you know what happened ....
PSV have the advantage of being in the nation with the worlds best youth policy for the last 35 years. Allied with the pool of players from former Dutch colonies, gives them advantages that are not monetary but major advantages all the same.
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Leabgarrow, the Dr Joe season was closer than it might appear. Dr Joe himself took over with virtually no preseason planning. As a result he was well behind early in the season when he was still adding players such as Lubo and Mjalby.
Rangers also spent £35m that summer, a folly which bought them a league title, but one they are still paying the price for.
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Newtaggysbhoy :- I did admit that he wasn't the most likeable of people, my point was that sheer number of medals gained earned him a place in the hall of fame, I think only Bob McPhail has win more with Rangers
Jinky :- Your info is correct on that, and I think a similar naming would be a fitting tribute to Mr Stein and his association with both clubs.
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Has everyone gone to BED !!!???
pablophanque
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Jinky,
My name explains all, actually from Glasgow area however working in S/pore, and must admit enjoying life...........
Anyway, not much been happening y/day???
Hail Hail
SPC
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Shammy
100% with you. You can only beat what is in front of you. We are the best team in Scotland - next target on the Radar is CL credibility. We must win the league each year as our stepping stone. If it is weak or if it is strong we still must aim to win it.
Putting on my Logic hat I thought I would attack the weak league hypothesis this way rather than proving through statistics.
First you need a premise – the league is weak or weaker than the past. This then needs to be supported by an argument. What could support this argument? 1. Runaway leaders = weak league. This does not support the weak league hypothesis. It could be use to argue that this is an uncompetitive league. How do I draw that conclusion? Take the EPL. It has a runaway leader, but also 3 teams in the last 16 of the CL one of which is the current Champions (who have not won the league in how many years?)
The 2nd argument could be based on benchmarking. How do our teams fair in the Europe, CL , UEFA etc.
Well we have the SPL current Champs who are 3rd in their domestic league in the last 16. The first time this has been achieved by an SPL club. This would argue the contrary that the SPL in benchmark terms is strengthening, additionally due to recent performances in Europe comparable to other league our co-efficient ranking has been going up.(maybe dipping now but there is a lag so I am not overly concerned)
So this means either that Rangers entry into the last 16 is a fluke or we have a strengthening league. Hence the media can not have their cake and eat it. I.e. Rangers are there on merit (as a representative of the SPL) Celtic are the best of a bad lot. One or the other
Red Tops they are mutually exclusive suppositions.
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Is there anybody out there....? Is it a national holiday or is everyone pullin a sickie......?
Anyway i read the Bazza has an ankle injury and been playing through the pain barrier, I wonder if TFOD were still invoved with the league Championship if he wud have played for Scotland tonite..... Doubt it...
P.s. Mr. Smith better go easy on the Maloney tonight as I wud hate to see him or any of the Celtic player for that matter playing anywhere especially Majic & Boruc.......
SanFran, I dont think the league in scotland is poorer, I just think the Old Firm are as good as they were as the financial resources are not there, however i think Celtic will shine in the coming months and also next season as I feel our young lads are going to have massive say in where we go and I for 1 see this as exciting times ahead.......
Hail Hail
SPC whothinksexcitingtimeslieahead
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If you thought PMS just affected women, you were wrong. Experts claim there is a bloke equivalent sweeping the terraces of Celtic Park at the moment - Irritable Male Syndrome.
Irritable Male Syndrome (IMS), symptoms show that men have monthly cycles that vary according to the individual.
The top 4 signs are
HYPERSENSITIVITY
Nothing that the manager or players do pleases them.
ANXIETY
They are apprehensive and uncertain about what will happen in the future.
FRUSTRATION
Individuals feel defeated as the manager and players try their best to win League Title and League Cup, with a new team and style of football. Whilst their bitter rivals look for a new manager and financial outlay to compete with Celtic.
ANGER
Their negative moods often lead to temper tantrums and rows.
Further research has shown hormone surges can appear as often as every 15 minutes, or when a pass goes astray, or when the opposition has the cheek to score a goal or even worse win or draw a match.
Instead of saying "It's my time of the month again"
You could support the manager and players and enjoy what is happening at Celtic Park at the moment. 13pts clear at top of league, appearance in League Cup final at the end of the month. All this with a new manager, new group of players, injection of youth and a new brand of football.
The Gordon Strachan Vision, football the Celtic way.
Hail Hail
Heraldo, who BELIEVES
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SPC, I'm here, lurking. Well working actually. Nothing of particular interest to add..
'cept perhaps
oh the Rangers are shite
and we're gunna win the league.
Fly the flag.
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Noel90
heraldo - posted this on saturday, sums up your Mr McAvennie
Heraldo
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Ahem SPC.
One of the problems with a blog is the lack of an edit for posts.
Teddy Bear will be after you.
For the SPL Table CLICK HERE
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Gavil SPC is just a week ahead of the rest of us.
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San Fran
I can't see Falkirk with their abysmal home record taking points this weekend.
It should be a confidence boosting win for Rangers and then off to Villareal to play their last meaningful game of the season.
'GG
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Good morning crew-
5 below here in the Firth Of Clyde-just outside the Arctic Circle -must keep an eye out for big bergs and wee growlers.........
SingaporeCelt-Shaun Maloney by a mile-he has given everything this season and has been an almost-ever-present.
2nd -Artur.
3rd--come back to you on that one.
Heraldo-did you see the videos ?-sold himself like a cheap hoor.
[notthatahwouldknowwhatacheaphoorwas]
hail ! hail !
noel.
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Morning Noel
Yes seen them. Says it all about the guy.
Heraldo
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Noel
Now I can go to bed.
Rum ration intact.
No sign of Le Guen.
(Maybe he's in RK's pocket coaching Barry?)
Or large investment.
POTY
Naka, Maloney, Zurawski.
Pick any one of three.
Boruc worries me too much at crosses to get a mention.
I think Klos should get a mention for his OG.
'GG
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Gavil I think you called it. Noel90, longjohns are they way to go. Come to Cali, not cold, strong swimmers welcome. Its shaping up for another flood this week. Freaky weather. 88mph winds last night with rain to match. Wind in the same bracket as a Class II Huricane. Mental never seen anything like it.....End Of Days
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Gavilguy-
ok
klos.
I,m off t,mill.
noel.
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Gavil about the Rum rations.....I have been meaning to talk to you about that. You see it was real cold thur and.......you know.
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San Fran
We had 2 feet of snow for the Rangers game, but it's been great since, although bitterly cold.
It's to warm up next week and I hope it continues to get warmer for the run up to St Patrick's day.
Have you made your mind up yet re a Manhattan visit?
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SanFran-
you serious ?
noel.
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Noel Yup. I took this morning off to put in rubble drain. Me back's killing me and I was soaked to the skin. No rain right now but more is being cooked up. The wind seems to have calmed down. Which is good cos there are two old Oaks outside me hoose. Dunno if they can take it. Quite a few trees down all over.
Your co-workers sweating yet about PLG?
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GG, my apologies, my heed is somewhere is shudnt be.... In the Clouds....
P.S. Noel about 30 DEG.C. here....
Hail Hail
SPC whoisworriednoelmitegetfrostbite
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GG,
I cannot agree with Naka nor Zurwaski (Not saying they have not contributed, but I think Maloney has been the standout this season) anytime I have watched I have been in awe..... even Lennon acknowledge this... however I respect your opinion.....
P.S. Your third in the SPL .....
Hail Hail
SPC
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Leabgarrow Noel 90 and Thismancraig
Ref the performaces in Europe.
Maybe I am being a bit harsh in saying 'average' but we are a massive club which was running a HUGE wage bill, we also had one of the top strikers in Europe at the time. I do appreciate that we had 2 years when we at least got past Xmas. Neither was in the Champions League which is the only competition which most of the major clubs take really seriously.
The heroic performances in Munich, Lyon, Turin were in DEFEAT, every Lyon, Porto and Anderlecht home win is balanced by a Anderlecht away, Shaktar, Porto away or Rosenburg away when we were very poor.
The big clubs which we did take points off of were often already through or were doing enough to suit there purpose, Milan at home, Barcelona away and Juventus at home. We also lost to Basle in the qualifiers too.
The Seville final was great, I loved arriving back at Glasgow airport from the Boavista game, and not coming down to earth until after we played Rangers on the Sunday.....but it was just the UEFA Cup.
I reiterate IMO our performances and especially our ultimate results in Europe have been very average, even below par.
There is an element of 'rose tinted' specs when looking at these 2 seasons when we did survive beyond xmas. Our standards had been lowered due to 23 years of hurt.
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Here is a list of those secret investors seen opening accounts in Paisley Road West-
a/Elizabeth Windsor-richest woman in Europe,money in art,property,land,stamp collection.
Believed to be unhappy at bulk of fortune going to dysfunctional family.
Lifelong supporter?
B/Montgomery Burns.Money from nuclear plant in U.S.A,oldest man on planet.Keen to live forever,therefore interested in acquiring knowledge from the King of the Undead,Alex Rae.
C/Farmer Tom.Scots philanthropist and millionaire.Wishes to help out impoverished third world tinpot dictators,eg D.Murray.
D/Abram Romanovitch,mysterious Russian oligarch and billionaire.
Looking to divest money from sugarbeet monopoly into sport.
E/Moonbeam Mcswine,mysterious gambler'the man who broke the bank in Portobello',lured by possibility of supercasino.
F/David Murray,mysterious bon viveur,keen to divest himself of hardearned metals fortune by spending money on the likes of Maniero,Fanfan,Jeffers.
Southeast Iceland north veering
northeast 7 to
severe gale 9,but
4 or 5 in far West.
Wintry showers
Good occasionally
poor
Light icing
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3.51 pm edwardursus.
"we are there on merit"
give us a break, just what id expect a tfod supporter to say.
geez peace.
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Well it's good night from me......
Hail Hail
SPC whoisgoingforabeertocooldown
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Rightrevdavyhayetc :- Of course you would expect a Rangers fan to sy that, it's true, we win our domestic league and then finished second in our grup, that how you qualify on merit,. Do you feel perhaps that other teams somehow let us through to this stage? Maybe you should tell me which teams you think should be there on merit, the team tht finished behind us in the league? the teams that finished below us in the group? and also explain why they deserve to be there and we don't. I think next time you shop you should try some grapes of a sweeter variety.
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Burnley, some of the teams beaten -one in great style, Porto, 2 years later UEFA winners, 3 years later CL winners, Liverpool 2 years later CL winners, Barcelona, 2 years later favourites for this years CL.
That is not a bad cv and doesn't include the hard luck stories.
If you are talking about the last 25 years, poor, not average applies. The team of the last few years has scalps that indicate they were more than average as a unit.
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Might I suggest that we at least get some clean sheets on the board before suggesting that we are going to be formidible next season.
We struggled to get results as little as a few weeks ago against Motherwell and then Clyde was only 7 weeks ago.
As when we beat TFOD twice in a row in November, we had a purple patch for a while then performances dipped lets try and get a run going first in terms of performance rather than start suggesting that we are going to acheive something in Europe next year.
As for the suggestion that most of our rebuilding is complete I just do not get it. If Telfer & Dublin etc are stop gaps; Keane & Lennon are coming to the end of their careers; Varga, Bobo, BBJ and Thommo are all potentially offski in the Summer then might I suggest that the rebuilding is nowhere near complete and WGS has still a lot of work to do.
Can we just act a little bit more calmly when looking at where we are. Stats in terms of football are more or less useless, you can use them to support whatever arguement you wish, in the end it comes down to the subjectivity of the individual.
WGS deserves his chance to take Europe on next season, its his team and he got us there, lets see where he really is taking us with it. Still not totally won over by him but then I would be harder to please than most being a Covbhoy.
Edward your team got there because it was better than those it came up against in the Group stages. If we use the same yard stick to finalise who are the league champions over a full season then the same applies to your acheivement. You can only beat what is in front of you.
Burnley - only two teams stopped Barca wimming at home in 2004. We were one of them and we were the only team to do it twice. That is hardly the form, of an average team.
Have to go and do some work now - unusual I know Evil
Hail hail
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EdwardUrsus
Fair point on your 'there on merit' response, but what about Orange Xmas Trees, Orange away strips, banning Pepperoni from the Ibrox canteen, Banning Simply the best because the words had been corrupted by bigots, then bringing it back because, well presumably just because. You could argue that this type of stuff encourages bigotry could you not?
I'm asking you these questions because you seem a fair minded Gers fans and hopefully will give me a reasonable reply
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Its an impossible argument, Rangers are there on merit - of course they are. That does not stop me from thinking that they are also there by default!
As for Martin's Celtic - they were occassionaly average and often ordinary but they were exhilirating and they gave us our pride back. They made us dissapointed not to beat Bayern Munich and AC Milan.
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Hi Paul,
A couple of folk have commented on recent European performances as average or poor, and I would say that this applies to all Scottish teams and not only your own, with a couple of rare exemptions Scottish teams have an abysmal record in Europe over the past 20 years, strangely though in the period before that (again roughly 20 years) Scottish teams appeared in 7 European finals winning three of them. I doubt if we will ever return to that level, but what do people here think a realistic expectation is in Europe, either for yourselves or Scottish teams in general?
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Moles, if you care to trawl the archives of this blog, you will find Edward has explained in far more detail than any of us probably would, his stance on his club's shameful actions. He neither condones nor supports such acts.
He is the voice of reason on most things r******s, give the guy a break. He takes more s**t on here than any of us ever would, and in good grace.
pablophanque
No.1 This day in History
Anyone Who Had A Heart - Cilla Black. 1964
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Can I step back to a line from Paul last night about Dr Jo - singularly the most under-rated manager we have ever had.
A Paul points out, he had no pre season planning, came into the club in a time of self inflicted turmoil and within weeks had us playing silky exciting football with an edge.
Even though he lost the rock of the previous season's defence in big Rieper for most of the term, he took us very close to the title that year, and it was Dr Jo that really brought Larsson out as a top class striker, not to mention bequeathing us Mjallby and Lubo among others.
I know its easy to look back and all that, but had Lubo not got that hamstring injury vs Motherwell, we were totally cooking with gas for the league against a much more expensive Rangers side.
I remember before the Hugh Dallas old firm game, we were 4 points behind the hun with 5 games to go and an OF at home. Losing away to St Johnstone killed us, and then we, with a little help from a hopeless ref and idiotic fans with too much change on their hands, imploded against Rangers.
But he did come close and could have done so much more with a little more time to prepare, and if he got Mjallby in for £2m, Viduka for £3m and Lubo for £300k, then imagine what he could have done with the Barnes money?
It always does my head in to see Dr Jo's season tangled in with the Barnes debacle - poles apart and I've always been of the opinion that Jo was better than Wim as a manager, under the respective circumstances they both found themselves in.
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I think when Man U rather fortuitously won their second EC they thought they were on the verge of establishing a dynasty,like Real,Ajax,Bayern and Liverpool did in the past,but that hasn't happened.
In fact the EC has been very open and competitive,much more so than many of the domestic European leagues it's drawn from,and much to the chagrin of the G14.
Success in Europe is the only yardstick to be judged by.M o'N got us taken seriously in Europe again,but we were unable to build on Seville.
I am not sure that we would have beaten Artmedia with M o'N still in charge,but I am sure that I wish we were still in with a chance of reaching the last 8 in Europe,even if we are winning the SPL at a canter.
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Molerus :- To be fair I don't see the relevance of any of that in relation to footbaling merit, but I'll give my own view, and remember I'm not answering for other supporters. The orange strips I thought were a mistake, they may have sounded a great marketing idea but the PR fall out did far more damage than the financial gain we made, my teams colours are red, blue and white, my own belief is our home strip should always be blue and any other strips should be one of the other to colours. Orange Christmas trees I just find a joke, a blue tree? I would still find a joke but the difference being a harmless one. Banning pepperami again comes in to the idiot class and I wont try to defend any of them, although some of our fans may have an affiliation to religious orders that should be nothing to do with my club. The blue room is blue and should never ever be thought on as any other colour orange included. The singing of the song is a different matter, I agree 100% that the added words make it offensive and obscene, and would far rather the normal words were heard, the same applies to my favourite song follow follow, I detest the changed lines that move it from a song of devotion to your club to a sectarian diatribe, hopefully one day songs sung at football grounds will be about football and nothing else. The problem with banning songs because some elements of the crowd change the words is where do you stop it and how.
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Zurawski probably will not play today. He feels a slight pain of the thigh muscle.USG examination didn't show anything wrong. But the doctors decided do not risk.
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In almost every interview Dr Jo did he talked about 'tempo'. Increasing the 'tempo', a good 'tempo' controlling the 'tempo'. There are parallels to a lot of WGS's interviews where he is comfortable being open and not guarded. Always wanting to dictate and set the pace of the game.
I can't honestly say I had many feelings other than frustration during Dr Jo's time so the hindsight on here I think may be a little overly-sentimental, although some good thought provoking points made. A major frustration for me was his abject refusal to make substitutions. I remember Lubo lying on the grass at Motherwell, hamstring torn, about to be laoded onto the stretcher and Dr Jo asking Brian Scott if he should delay the substitution 5 minutes in case he recovered!!
I think at the time a lot of us still had Tommy Burns and even Liam Brady's time in charge in our thoughts, some great football but nothing to show for it. We just needed to win after years and years of hurt. Maybe he should have been given more time, but then again the chaos theory suggests we'd never have had Seville, 6-2, whitewash, Liverpool, Boavista, Barca......
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Dublin Riots explained
Dublin Riots
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By the time Dr Jo arrived the anti-Celtic agenda must have been in overdrive. Intoxicated by the successive Scottish League titles from R@ng8rs the media strategy was to humiliate him by claiming that he knew nothing about football and was a doddery old man. A similar tactic was used against Bobby Robson by the Spanish media. The Spanish media really had to go some however as Robson started to show as the season progressed that he knew a thing or two. By the end of the season Barça won the ECWC, the King's cup, the Spanish supercup and were second in the Spanish league to Real Madrid who that season under Capello had not even entered for any European competition. It was not considered enough and Van Gaal replaced him. One of the biggest injustices at Barça for me and very unjust for the likeable Geordie. Maybe Venglos was a caretaker manager with MON in mind or the media pressure was still influencing Celtic too much. Now we are beginning to hear of how brilliant a manager he was with the Czech teams. All of this conveniently forgotten at the time and Scotland is shown up for parochialism.
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EdwardUrsus
I once asked you what you were doing on here. Now I know - you're changing us into a Rangers blog.
As for the rest of you- discussing the relative merits of Messrs Greig and Ferguson-I know it's a slow week but- GET A GRIP!
Just for the record Edward my own favourite Rangers player has to be Mo - but to be honest it's the kind of thing where I'm always chopping and changing.
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Bhoy Molloy
Is that Peter Crouch in the background?
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The arrival of Dr Jo was used by the media as another stick with which to beat Fergus.He was portrayed as the man who had contrived the departure of the manager who had given us our first title in 10 years,while commiting the cardinal error or not having a replacement in place.There was a fairly long hiatus between the departure of Wim and the arrival of Jo.
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G14 to take part in EU review
From the stated article in today's list.
I remember listenign to a UEFA representative when this was first launched who derided the G14 and stated that there was no need for UEFA or FIFA to have any dialogue since the G14 was not a body representing anything.
Perhaps they are boing to pressure or power?
There is an alarming quote from the G14:
'When we talk about G14 being the voice of the clubs, we don't just mean the 18. We mean all clubs,' Bettega said.
The idea that the rich and powerful cartel represent the best interests of all clubs is laughable. Often interests are diametrically opposed such as the media revenue returns from the CL where G14 Clubs benefit to the detriment of others.
The G14 should be discouraged from assuming this mantel, unless of course they let us in. :-}
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EdwardUrsus,
Don't want to over the nine in a row argument, but you are right during 'Celtics' era there seemed to be several competitive teams and Scotland both domestic teams and internationally were a force to be reckoned with.
During 'Rangers' era there were few competitive teams and Scotland's teams were poor, with the exception of Rangers who had arguably their best ever squad.
IMO the quality of management had as much to do with this as the players/money, no team gets into a European Cup final without a very good manager.
If you look at Hearts since G. Rix took over their results have been average at best:
I.e. the last 10 SPL:
P W D L
10 3 2 5
Their record under Burley was first rate, who knows what they would have been capable of in the CL in the next couple of years. Few Scottish teams in the last twenty years have had consistent quality management.
dontbrattbackinanger
"I am not sure that we would have beaten Artmedia with M o'N still in charge"
We can't re-write history and don't want to stick it again to WGS but we made several fundemental mistakes in Bratislava that IMO MON would never have made.
apesanteur,
Since you bring it up my favourite Rangers player is Alfie Conn - don't anyone remind him of Jim Baxter!
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I too thought Dr Jo unfortunate - espesh re the press - "why won't you play Mark Burchill?" was the shout at every post matcher until he asked the gent is question how many times the young Burchill had actually kicked a ball for us ("How mant times my friend?" he repeated to a Radio C reporter who had not a clue.)
I also remember a lot of our supporters foaming at the mouth thinking MB would be our saviour. Time alone tells - although I shudder to think of young maloney playing for the dons!!
We were upstartish (To the establishment) at best in those days - we harked back to Tommy Burns' reply to a question for the need of a strong Celtic - "...a strong Celtic yes - but not too strong..."
We simply were not wanted as anything other than the whipping boys of the west coast.
But I have to echo the Chaos theory remark - those lows have made for some fantastic highs.
I just hope we don't become like the residue of Thatcher's children across the river and expect nothing less complete success - we are better than that and should know better than anyone that you cannot win all the time.
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Agree about Dr Jo, he was treated abysmally by the press, especially Keevins, who was downright insulting. He was in the right job at the wrong time, made some great signings with the worst being Riseth (who wasn't bad), D.Jackson wasn't his signing.He was let down badly by many people including Viduka and Joke (Like the Murphy's, I'm not bitter!)Broon, who hung him out to dry.
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Agree about Dr Jo, he was treated abysmally by the press, especially Keevins, who was downright insulting. He was in the right job at the wrong time, made some great signings with the worst being Riseth (who wasn't bad), D.Jackson wasn't his signing.He was let down badly by many people including Viduka and Joke (Like the Murphy's, I'm not bitter!)Broon, who hung him out to dg and it was pretty long. i didnt get t ask the questions i wanted t.. the girls were in a rush for
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Chairbhoy - Alfie Conn certainly had a great deal of swagger and a fine pair of side breezers. I would cast my vote, excuse me apesenteur, for Bobby Russell, their midfield playmaker a rare ball player under Jock Wallace
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new article posted.
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Asperanteur @ 11.50
Sorry if I was one of those who put you off your porridge.I can only plead that I was going into withdrawl from the lack of football and was starting to hallucinate.However a glimpse of The King of Kings tonight with Sweden should fix me.
