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Hellooooo?
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No1???
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Podium?
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Finance – aint got a scooby about it.
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Will clubs need to re-evaluate now or will there last evaluation stand.
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So let me read between the lines here Paul67 - they cooked the books and will be found out as and when anyone looks at them clsely for dsue diligence re. a sale or investment? They are really knackered aren't they?
1st!
In terms of a "real" post anyway - I'm revaluing the podium to suit my own agenda
;o)
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Paul, what in your opinion is a more accurate valuation of ibrox?
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'their' last evaluation. Must check my spelling.
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"closely for due diligence "
typing too damn quickly to get the early posting...
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How can Murray get away with pulling a figure out the air and saying thats what ibrox and muraay park at worth.
Surely a proper survey would need to be undertaken.
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Shamrock Diary,
I’ve just sussed who you are..!
Let me take this opportunity to pass on my best wishes.
I am a regular listener to the phone-ins and you are one of the Celtic fans I look forward to listening to.
You always articulate your points well and I think it is fair to say that you have the respect of the Jocks who are out to shock. Not an easy task..!
Keep up the good werk.
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Paul
Based on the potential impact on Ipox valuation can just see the DHL Express bag fleeing out of there today.
Dear Comrade Bailmeootshkie
Please rushkie the roubles,I can hear the KGB(Keep Govan blue) mobski baying at the gates.
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Paul67
if I am reading this correctly all clubs will be required to value their grounds according to the new rules and standards.
What I am unsure about is what happens if the new valuation of Rangers owned properties say comes in at a hypothetical £69m
Does that mean that in this hypothetical case £50m comes off the balance sheet as the existing valuation is not sustainable?
if that is the case will the organisations be allowed dispensation to adjust this over a period of time or would the attitude be one of "you have enjoyed the benefits of an inflated value for a period of time now you have to live with the adjustment"?
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Paul - do Celtic not own land aside from the actual stadium? - i.e. the bits where the police mounted charge was many years ago (Janefield Street?) - if so - and I wouldn't imagine Rangers own any of the surrounding land at Ipox - and if the grounds are similar size CP/surrounds should be worth more.
Have Celtic not already been writing down the value of CP in the accounts? I thought the P(ocket) C(alculator) brigade insisted on this.
TB
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Paul,
all these recent articles regarding R***ers financial problems has me thinking that you're building us up for something about to happen over at Mordor (ie total financial meltdown).
Can we expect some major news from "The Dark Half" in the near future (and Im no talkin of mystical £100m investments here)?
Peat
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Although mentioned previously, The Mirror reports this morning that Dave Whelan, through JJB, is buying the r*****s stores, And there was me hoping DM was going to be pulled for the securitas robbery:-) Investment my arse, nothing like robbing Peter to pay Paul!
Heres comes the boycott of all JJB stores!
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Fatfink-
ok the games-a-bogie.
I am the man that phones in all the time-how did you suss me ....?
shamrock dairy.
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Sorry Jockybhoy but I'm sure you won't begrudge possibly the oldest ever first poster his lap of honour round the podium.
In truth I was just passing by and saw this big fat 0 under the number of comments on an obviously brand new article by Paul.Couldn't believe nobody was there thus the opening 'Helloooo'. TBH I suspect I had plenty of time to write a proper post.
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fatfink 12.39
many thanks for very kind words but unfortunately I have to respectfully decline the gracious compliment
I only occasionally listen to the phone-ins normally if I am driving home from work between 6 and 7 at night and I have to say that I never call them.
I do hear the occasional Celtic supporter giving excellent points to the panel and stating their case eloquently and with some logic but I cannot claim to be that erudite.
Thanks anyway for thinking of me and being so nice but I'm afraid to paraphrase the line of the famous Shaggy song "it isnae me"
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With regard to the valuation of football stadia; the finanacial requirements of any business will necessitate the annual valuation of it's property assets, the preferred method of valuation, by the RICS and financial regulatory bodies, is one that reflects the market value of the property. There are many types of property where there is no, or at best a limited, market and consequently no market evidence of value. The appropriate method of valuation is therefore the Depreciated Replacement Cost which seeks to value the property in terms of it's worth to the business by reference to what it would cost to replace it but with an allowance to reflect that the bricks and mortar depreciate with age, (in very simplistic terms.)
If a football ground ceased to be used for the purpose it was built tomorrow, it is unlikely that there would be a market with a potential purchaser who would wish to acquire it for it's existing use, (there may be the odd exception.) What would become of the redundant asset then? The most obvious answer to this question is to consider the next most valuable alternative use, for example if the area was of an industrial character redevlopemnt as an industrial estate or an office business park may be viable, or housing in a residential area or perhaps even a Las Vegas style super casino!
Of the major football grounds in Glasgow, it is likely that the next most valuable alternative use would be for residential devlopment so the alternative use value would be it's value for residential development, less costs of demolition, servicing and insfrastructure and any decontamination work. It is highly unlikely that any of the major football stadia in Glasgow would generate a net alternative use value of much more than £10-£20m.
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Hi all
Back from Wales having checked up on my cunning plan for a Celtic take-over of the world!
I have three daughters, two of whom live in Wales and are the proud begetters of three Celtic supporting sons (one of them is only 18 months but he does have hooped pyjamas and I read him bedtime-stories)
The other D lives in Spain and I am sure will fulfill her destiny soon enough!
I work out that in a few more generations we should have substantially increased Celtic's turnover and worldwide fanbase!
And all down to one man's vision (and eye for a nice well turned Welsh ankle and cute bottom - female I hasten to add).
Thankyou BQ if you are reading this!
Just e-mail me and I will send you details of where to post the cheque or complimentary season book/swipe card for future seasons.
Anyway as it is now Lent, I have decided to regrettfully give up writing sensible contributions, and for the next six weeks or so, unadulterated dribble will fill the ether.
To that end, I was thinking of extending the mystery and intrigue of Estadio, Angelina, and JohnBhoy,(if you read it that is) to a few more episodes, hopefully involving the characters (as I see them) of the regulars who also post on this site!
I can't promise that you won't meet a grizzly doom at the hands of a big mr bad, but I can tell you that I intend to base it around a CQN convention, hosted by hopefully Paul67 (if he agrees) and attended in the tradition of such mysteries by lots of suspicious characters.
I may even allow the important halves, who have started to appear on the site, a crucial role in preparing the buffet!
Any way, if you don't want your handle used, then just let me know and if a critical mass is reached then I will get on with my day job.
For those who haven't got a clue what I am talking about, I will post a link (later) to the original nonsense so as you can see the diseased mind you are dealing with.
Anyway, so as to keep the Celtic theme, I would just like to let you know that followin a text from Celtic on Tuesday, my Account has been debited for the CIS final ticket, and I am also going for a jog up to Celtic Park to submit voucher 61 for the Alan Shearer ballot!
Hail Hail
Estadio
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Well done to Timoot for popping his 1st post cherry......
noel.nosourgrapesfromme csc.
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Just realised that I have a close namesake as a fellow blogger in Shamrock DAIRY
To paraphrase our old friend KOJO - pure buttah - only I am assuming in your case Kerrygold.
THE DIARY AND THE DAIRY - must be a play or film script in there somewhere.
Now where did I put my copy of Juno and Paycock?
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Shamrock Diary-
one of us is an imposter.
is it you ?
Shamrock Dairy.
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I think we are starting to get a bit carried away here. While I agree that mordor's valuation has been over-cooked there must have been some justification for it. DM could not simply pull the figure out of thin air. I would think that this figure would be linked to the value of the potential revenue that can be generated from the stadium, i.e. match tickets, blue nosed burgers, concerts etc. Or possibly this could even be the value of a sale of the stadium with the orcs leasing it back from a third party (another DM company no doubt).
This is a valuation quite different from a depreciated 'bricks and mortar' figure which would be much lower.
DM will undoubtedly come up with millions for his new manager this summer, however this valuation - together with the JJB sale example - is nothing more than a short term fix. Over the longer term they will undoubtedly struggle.
Long may it continue.
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stevie67 - thanks for that - we don't have to revalue the company property each year - haven't done for 6 or 7 years. Is there a ruling that says Football (or other business types/sizes need to but wee guys don't?
Are you of the view that with the new reporting system Celtic are fairly OK with a bit of a hit but Ran*ers are stuffed?
TB
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Shamrock DAIRY
now I am getting suspicious!
there is a strong whiff of subterfuge here and it is not coming from Estadio's adventures in Tenerife so I suspect you may the imposter
but and it is a big but, anyone with a shamrock name couldn't possibly be an imposter so perhaps I will take the positive from this and see your posting as a compliment and your desire to be one of the "aul hauns"
Now just remembering last night - was it CQN Widow or Noel's Missus who was going on about needs and desires?
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Do Rangers have any choice in this or is the fact that they're not listed on the FTSE, for example, have any impact on this?
Isn't it just as likely that Murray will have 800 people value Ibrox and go with the highest value as a loophole?
I'm yet to be convinced that Murray's been totally caught out here.
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stevie67 12.51.........
I'm with you re ground valuation ............. if your not playing football in them ...........then, all they are good for is housing..........would you buy 10 acres (or what ever it is) for 100M.....now we are having a laugh.......:-)
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Shamrock-
I think you might be onto something with the "aul' hands" and the impostors.....
PLATO ! ! ! ! !
noel.
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Try this for Naka's 2 assists for japan :-CLICK HERE
The Japanese commentators are superb !! Setanta take note !!
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Surveyorcelt
The valuation is based on DRC and not revenue or alternative use value. The RICS have introduced monitoring of all Surveyors who carry out valuations for regulated purposes so in future any valuations will need to comply with appropriate standards as all Surveyors in this sphere risk having their work 'called in'. THE surveyor decides upon the level of depreciation taking account of physical and functional obsolesence amongst other factors. these are properly established in discussion with the client. The valuation is the value to the company. I think the point here comes down to the level of 'depreciation' applied.
Sorry if this post is rambling using a handheld and memory (its not mine!)about to go!!
hermes
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gerry
That's a fair point on valuation. From memory Hearts had agreed to sell Tynecastle to Cala for £20m before Romanov came in.
Now if a highly desirable site in the centre of Edinburgh is worth £20m how much for a site in Govan or for that matter the east end of Glasgow?
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Hermes
Cheers for the explanantion, much appreciated. I'm an RICS surveyor, however i practise in a totally different line of work.
I think that the crucial comment you make is that the depreciation is "properly established in discussions with the client". I wouldn't trust the information DM puts before me, directly or indirectly. His previous with the media would suggest that he knows a thing or two about massaging the truth.
All the best
Surveyorcelt
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Big Liam 1.26
Thanks for the link to Nakas game - didn't realise it was in Japan - I thought they had played over here in Europe
Anyway the Bosnian goalkeeper looked to be doing an "Artur" on that first goal
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Yes! Another Surveyor!
QS by any chance?
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Surveyorcelt 1.23
I wouldn't underestimate "the mint" on this one.
One part of the empire that does seem to be holding up is the property development division so he does know his way around this or at least he is guaranteed to be surrounded by people who do know what it is all about.
There will be little need for him to overly manipualte as I'm sure the top Surveyors in his organisation are already planning a strategy to minimise the damage
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Otto
I too am a QS
We'll get rid of the mason tag yet!
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noel90
I thought Plato went last night to a cave to find his muse or it might have a been a cove to find his moose -
I had too much to drink last night and by midnight wasn't quite sure what I was posting.
I'll try and remain sober tonight
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stevie 67...thats how i understand the valuation criteria as well.....
it does raise the question of why a 60,000 stadia is expected to cost £39 million to replace whilst a 50,000 stadia 4 miles away in a similiar type of area , is deemed to cost over £100 million to replace....
i guess this comes down to the fact that accounts are only the directors view of the business.
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surveyorcelt
No problem. As you state the mint knows how and who to play.
I'm a GP surveyor - ottokaiser don't get too excited !
Ok signing off for now!
hermes
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I was at the Ireland V Sweden game last night. Really enjoyed seeing Henrik getting a standing ovation when he was substituted.
After the game I met a Scottish guy (raised in Jersey) in Sruffy Murphy's who named his son Larsson Jacob Reid. Hats off to you, I couldn't imagine any woman in Ireland allowing their lad to be Christened such. He even showed me the wee lads hoops top that he'd hoped to get signed. If you see this Gary, take care hombré!
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Hermes/Lovejoysalegend
Hands up from me to being a QS also!
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I'm a BS
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The RICS is full of Tims:-)
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Curly :- I thought such well researched questions deserved answers so I hope this helps :-)
1. Barry Ferguson is 78 yards away from the referee at Ibrox and
Bob Malcolm is 65 yards away. If 'Bazza' can run at 21mph and Bob can
run at 16mph, who will be sticking their vein-bulging forehead into the
hapless whistler's face first, assuming Bob does not stop to stamp
on an opponent on his way.
a) Mr Feguson gets there 0.7122 seconds before Mr Malcolm
2. If one minute of time is taken up in a game for substitutions
and one minute for injuries, how much injury time will be added on by
the referee if Rangers are losing at home?
a)One minute per goal needed, although not legally correct this is a moral decision to allow for the time wasting antics of visiting teams ;-)
3. 'Bazza' is a Scotsman. Express, as a percentage, the number of
internationals he has missed on a Wednesday evening compared to the
miraculous recoveries he made for the following Saturday.
a) No where near enough in my opinion, he is paid to play for Rangers.
4. Glasgow Rangers FC are one of the "giants of world club football".
How many more European Cup Finals have they appeared in than Steaua
Bucharest? (For one extra mark; How many more than Reims?)
a) None at all, but any student of the game will tell you this is due to biased refereeing and a conspiracy against my club winning, being Celtic fans you would never have come across this so wouldn't recognise it ;-)
4a. How many more times have Glasgow Rangers won the European Cup
than Nottingham Forest?
a) see above
5. You are the referee at Tynecastle. How near to a visiting
defender does a tumbling Sorti Kyrgiakos have to be to earn a penalty if he
goes down in the box? (Note: Round your answers down to the nearest
20 yards.)
a) As Mr Kyrgiakos would be the visiting defender this seems more a metaphysical question, therefore I would guess the answer is related to the number of angels that can dance on a pin head.
6. Probability. Express the statistical probability of visitors to
Ibrox being awarded a penalty. Compare this with the probability of
opponents of Glasgow Rangers being awarded a penalty home or away,
and then discuss if a penalty awarded to Glasgow Rangers would be
awarded to their opponents in identical circumstances.
a)0.043 and even then only due to underhand cheating on the visitors part
On Rangers side the probability is close to 1, both due to the number of attacks and the cynical attitudes of opposing defenders
7. Mark "The Hun" lives in Brechin. How much does it cost for him
and his two sons to travel to the Theatre of Silence every other
weekend, including limited edition matchday programme, a few drinks and a
macaroon bar all round? How much could he save per week if he
watched his local team instead?
(Note: Round your answers down to the nearest hundred pounds).
a)I'm sorry to inform you that you need to see an optician urgently, you are colour blind, Mark is actually dressed in green and white and is of the hoops persuasion, otherwise this point is 100% correct, he should indeed support his local team :-)
8. Kyrgiakos is 6ft tall and very strong. How much pressure need be
applied to make him tumble over in the opponents penalty area?
(Note: Answers must be in lbs per square inch.)
a)Mr Kyrgiakos suffers from attitudional vertigo, shame on you for mocking the afflicted
9. What is the total number of chickens counted before they were
hatched by Glasgow Rangers and their supporters who thought
Hibernian were a pushover.
a)I struggled hard to find the data to answer this, but due to draconian measures to combat bird flu this information is now a state secret.
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Timoot - 12.48 & Noel from the "nosourgrapes CSC"
I was only kidding (y'know that ;o) bit...) - making a joke about revaluation, changing the rules to suit your own purposes...y'know like Murray & Ibrox...
Ach, I'll stick to securisation posts in future :o(
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Hermes - does that mean you're wear wellies and a barbour jacket?
Whitedog - building surveyor or the other BS?
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Travelbhoy 1.06, not sure of the financial regulations as to when and how often companies must value their assets, however, my experiaene in this field has been in providing property valuations for businesses for accounting purposes. I've provided the figures they put them in their accounts or annual reports or just a dusty old file somewhere.
Gerry 1.13, If I was going to buy some real estate for residential development I'd start looking in Thorntonhall, Bothwell, Newton Mearns and work my way down. i don't think I'd get so far down the 'property ladder' as to arrive at the site in question. If it ever comes to pass that there was a major residential development opporunity in this part o the city, I'd be advising propexctive devwlopers to seek some additional grant funding to make it stack up!
surveyorcelt, hermes, ottokaiser, lovejoysalegeng; me too GP division. Any of you going to the golf?
I understand from a colleague that at a recent RICS Red Book seminar, a surveyor from a well known firm asked a lot of questinos about the depreciation of football stadia and deprecitation in the context of DRC and asset valuations. Seems the firm had some concerns about the requirements of a client in terms of such valuation practice.
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Stevie
Can't go to the golf as I no longer live in Scotland
Hmmm.....I wonder if that particular surveyor was nervous about a previous valuation?
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My post 2.39, sorry about spelling, I'm a surveyor not a typist.
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EdwardUrsus - "attitudinal vertigo"
:-)
Keep up the good work. Are you sure you're not a Tim in disguise??
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So we can surmise that surveyors of all types are workshy bloggers?
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Estadio 12.53. Your post seems to have been missed in the general flurry of the annual convention of the non masonic chartered surveyors institution.
Anyway, your idea is a good one but hasn't Christopher Brookmyre already stolen it for "One Fine Day in the Middle of the Night"? I know that was set on a disused oil rig rather than a golf course in Fife but would anyone notice the difference?
Anyway, I would go for it.
T
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Correct Martybhoy!
I will be at the evening part of the CQN golf day - unusually for a surveyor I cannae play it.
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Martybhoy
Im on a holiday, cant speak for the rest, but theres a good chance theyre skiving
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ottokaiser I aint no building surveyor
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EdwardUrsus 2:33pm
I would like to thank you from the heart of my bottom for taking the time to answer those questions. Unfortunately I cannot take the credit for compiling them since they were passed to me by a friendly bear in the office. I have taken the liberty of copying your response in an e-mail back to him.
On your answers (my replies in italics) -
1. Barry Ferguson is 78 yards away from the referee at Ibrox and
Bob Malcolm is 65 yards away. If 'Bazza' can run at 21mph and Bob can
run at 16mph, who will be sticking their vein-bulging forehead into the
hapless whistler's face first, assuming Bob does not stop to stamp
on an opponent on his way.
a) Mr Feguson gets there 0.7122 seconds before Mr Malcolm
Take it this must be before his operation next week to cure his injury - the operation that shall take place after your team's last meaningful match of the year?
2. If one minute of time is taken up in a game for substitutions
and one minute for injuries, how much injury time will be added on by
the referee if Rangers are losing at home?
a)One minute per goal needed, although not legally correct this is a moral decision to allow for the time wasting antics of visiting teams ;-)
From memory, we didn't waste any time sticking one past you on our last visit to your £100 million (+) stadium
3. 'Bazza' is a Scotsman. Express, as a percentage, the number of
internationals he has missed on a Wednesday evening compared to the
miraculous recoveries he made for the following Saturday.
a) No where near enough in my opinion, he is paid to play for Rangers.
Think you may get some support on here for that stance - ref JFK
4. Glasgow Rangers FC are one of the "giants of world club football".
How many more European Cup Finals have they appeared in than Steaua
Bucharest? (For one extra mark; How many more than Reims?)
a) None at all, but any student of the game will tell you this is due to biased refereeing and a conspiracy against my club winning, being Celtic fans you would never have come across this so wouldn't recognise it ;-)
Don't know why put down Steaua, after all they are Romanian just like that winker that crocked JFK. Quite correct, davy syme, hugh dallas, et al were not biased in any way, shape or manner, were they? *¬))
4a. How many more times have Glasgow Rangers won the European Cup
than Nottingham Forest?
a) see above
Did you know that we have won the big cup?
5. You are the referee at Tynecastle. How near to a visiting
defender does a tumbling Soti Kyrgiakos have to be to earn a penalty if he
goes down in the box? (Note: Round your answers down to the nearest
20 yards.)
a) As Mr Kyrgiakos would be the visiting defender this seems more a metaphysical question, therefore I would guess the answer is related to the number of angels that can dance on a pin head.
OK, so the "visiting" was a mental aberation, but the correct answer was "within sight of Andy Davis"
6. Probability. Express the statistical probability of visitors to
Ibrox being awarded a penalty. Compare this with the probability of
opponents of Glasgow Rangers being awarded a penalty home or away,
and then discuss if a penalty awarded to Glasgow Rangers would be
awarded to their opponents in identical circumstances.
a)0.043 and even then only due to underhand cheating on the visitors part
On Rangers side the probability is close to 1, both due to the number of attacks and the cynical attitudes of opposing defenders
Agree with the numbers, but methinks you have the arguments mixed up? *¬))
7. Mark "The Hun" lives in Brechin. How much does it cost for him
and his two sons to travel to the Theatre of Silence every other
weekend, including limited edition matchday programme, a few drinks and a
macaroon bar all round? How much could he save per week if he
watched his local team instead?
(Note: Round your answers down to the nearest hundred pounds).
a)I'm sorry to inform you that you need to see an optician urgently, you are colour blind, Mark is actually dressed in green and white and is of the hoops persuasion, otherwise this point is 100% correct, he should indeed support his local team :-)
Afraid you are way off the mark here Eddie Baby, the clue is in the guys name - Mark "The Hun". Time for a rethink there
8. Kyrgiakos is 6ft tall and very strong. How much pressure need be
applied to make him tumble over in the opponents penalty area?
(Note: Answers must be in lbs per square inch.)
a)Mr Kyrgiakos suffers from attitudional vertigo, shame on you for mocking the afflicted
I will have you know that I have never mocked a gers fan i my life (why is my nose getting bigger?)
9. What is the total number of chickens counted before they were
hatched by Glasgow Rangers and their supporters who thought
Hibernian were a pushover.
a)I struggled hard to find the data to answer this, but due to draconian measures to combat bird flu this information is now a state secret.
This is of course the result of an establishment conspiracy designed to prevent your mob from looking bad at anything from fitba to creative accounting. Never mind, in 50 years under Freedom of Information Act . . . .
Curly
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Doirbhoy, clubs have a responsibility to ensure that their financial statements are accurate and in line with guidelines every year.
Jocky bhoy, Rangers didn’t cook the books, what they done was legitimate, but has introduced a potential vulnerability. If the asset (stadium) valuation falls, and there is significant scope, there will be consequences.
Shammy, we can compare Ibrox to Celtic Park, valuation £37m. DM has every right to value at what he did based on the rules three years ago. These new guidelines introduce another potential problem.
St Gris, Ibrox was surveyed properly. The valuation was conducted on then current guidelines.
Shamrock Diary, if a football stadium is valued at £50 less as a result of the new guidelines, the club would lose this from the balance sheet at its next reporting date.
This could cause insolvency at some clubs.
TravelBhoy, Celtic and Rangers have taken very little depreciation charges on their stadiums. Celtic do own land around the ground.
Peat Blog, Rangers will not fail financially, there is a clear trading route out of their problems, though this will not be without pain.
Count me in Estadio.
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I think I'm going to become a surveyor.
I hope to be at the golf day...when is it again?
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I work in advertising where everybody is workshy.......or pretending to work by phoning their mates...i do both....
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Martybhoy
In true surveyor style 'When do you want it to be?'
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Martybhoy
Ach, its a great occupation until a subbie or labour only, comes along, only threatening to burn your house down, just because you dare to question their measurements.
Other than that we're whistling dixie the rest of the time
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Paul
The new standards (and therefore valutions) do not apply to AIM (and presumably OFEX) companies until accounting periods starting after January 2007. Both Celtic and Rangers therefore will not have to comply (unless they do so voluntarily) until they are reporting for the year ending summer 2008.
If the company was to be taken private (a la Man U and now Hearts) there is no timetable for compliance and so far will not have to comply at all.
De-listing or sale avoids the problem, but where will the wheel of fortune stop?
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This place is toooooo slow this afternoon..........
we need some GOALS !
noel.
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Noel, I believe the pace is fine for surveyors - maybe even a bit quick.
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Scotcelt-
I was just looking for any excuse to stick that video on........
:P
noel.
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lovejoy - you need to get in on the client side of things. Beats being stuck in a porta-cabin in a muddy field in winter.
I'm away back to ma hammock now.
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Jees
I stay off CQN for a couple of hours and suddenly it's populated by surveyors.
As I'm one, it's heartening to see so many Tic supporting surveyors out there.
When I started out years ago I was the token tim in the office.
Changed days.
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Does anybody think this lad
might make a player......?
noel.
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Otto
Found the private side of things very monotonous, thankfully Im not site based, but people tend to find out what office your based in.
Scotcelt
Surveyors can pick up the pace, I can live in the fast lane, i used to have a Lada Samara you know:-)
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Noel……………………………….....
Cheers for brightening up my afternoon……………………
joethehuge
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there is a plot of land for sale on springfield road suitable for 60(I think) flats and I'm fairly certain it was £900K.
So no where near the £120M. Tho' is that place not a listed building? (It probably makes a few lists).
Hail Hail
Phob
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big joe-
you are welcome- More Riquelme
noel.whothinksbigjoeshouldbecheeredupbeforehegoes
backtofrighteningkidnappers.
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Estadio,
I was just thinking the other day of a man with great vision….
Brooks Mileson? (Dunno if that’s how you spell it.)
Anyways, my thoughts were “how many couples have tied the knot at that old romantic venue for elopers over the years and how large would the diaspora be today?”
I mean there must be thousands of couples watching the Gretna Cup run thinking to themselves – “We feel part of this, lets go to the final if they get there and cheer them on.”
Next thing you know they are getting in touch with the club to enquire about season ticket prices…
(It’s okay folks – my carer is coming to pick me up in half an hour!)
Shamrock Diary,
Apologies for mistaking you with the infamous JW, who phones all the radio stations and CTV.
JW,
If you do come on here – You are a mini legend in my house for keeping all those misinformed hacks right. Keep up the good work.
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Estadio,
You are spoiled for choice if you want to have a Quantity Surveyor in your tale. How about the competition and intrigue between them as they vie to get their new state of the art stand built at CP.
As for me if you can find a role for an Alsation in a Celtic top....
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Paul-
Can we start up a fund to buy Riquelme for Celtic ?
Here is my Tenner to get the ball rolling ..........
:P
noel.
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Noel, I don't know if Riquelme would come to Celtic as he might get a bit fed up being on the bench each week. Although I suppose he would be useful cover for Lennon in case he ever picks up an injury.
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Whitedoghunch
What's your sexuality got to do with surveying? ;-)
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My understanding of estimates worth of buildings etc (from some course I was one) was that it's entirely legitimate to self estimate as Murray did, but there was a requirement for this to be done by an independent surveyor every 6(I think) years.
I think what Murray was hoping would happen was that by the time a full independent survey was required the value of lands etc would at or near his previous estimates, thus the potential damage to the accounts would be diminished.
Do RFC not own a huge car park just up the street as well, or has that gone now?
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I know all about subbies and that malarky, Prophetofdoombhoy tells me all about how he hasn't paid his in the pub on a Friday, just before one of them chases him!!!
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If Ranger's are to re-evaluate their assets will this not have an effect on borrowing. I always thought to get a bank loan a business had to have a certain % of their balance sheet as assets... will decreasing this not make the banks consider calling in the loans?
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Malone19...here's hoping!
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Estadio,pardon my rudeness,but Grandpas do not "jog" anywhere.
Enjoy picking up your ticket,but please have a stroll and less of the jog rubbish.
Will have to get you Noel's electric buggy transport if you continue on with this rubbish.
On the subject of old contributors to this site.
And I do not mean the age of said contributors.
Kiwi Mick, welcome to our site here(sorry Paul,of course I meant your site).
If you do not mind Mick,I will take the liberty of posting something you wrote after Seville.
I should think that anyone who viewed the game would struggle to disagree.
Hope you don't mind me quoting you my freind,but I feel it is worth showing where you come from.
"........as the Porto fans celebrated, they were drowned out by a chorus of 'You'll Never Walk Alone' the like of which had not been heard in Spain, or Parkhead. It was a spine-tingling, lump-in-throat tear-evoking moment, and the Portuguese supporters were struck dumb at this display of loyalty by the Celtic supporters. As the anthem reached a crescendo, the Porto fans burst into spontaneous applause in recognition of the loyalty and passion of the Celtic fans, and the love for club and football which they share. For a few seconds, it was the Beautiful Game again. More importantly, the fans inside and outside the stadium had made a point to those who would turn soccer into a corporate conglomerate enjoyed only by the rich and the freeloaders. 'This is our game' they were saying. 'This is the People's Game and it will always be ours. We're the people who count, and no-one must ever forget that'. Overwhelmingly, it was the Celtic support in Seville who reclaimed the game for the people........"
*Wipes tear*...Trophies, who needs 'em?
Kiwi Mick,you are a true Tim,and one who is hard to replicate,apart from your propensity to accountancy,which shall be dealt with later.
I have read your wee inputs for many a year,and you, my friend deserve nothing short of a medal.
Don't know if you have been going since the halycon days of the internet csc days,but it certainly seems like it.
Long may you continue to call it as you see it.
Cos this is what is required.
Have you only discovered this site?
or have you only recently been willing to match it up publicly with E-tims?
Please,continue to contribute,as we coulddo with a few more of your "ilk"
Hail
Kano
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Curly :-
Mark "The Hun" lives in Brechin. How much does it cost for him
and his two sons to travel to the Theatre of Silence every other
weekend, including limited edition matchday programme, a few drinks and a
macaroon bar all round? How much could he save per week if he
watched his local team instead?
(Note: Round your answers down to the nearest hundred pounds).
a)I'm sorry to inform you that you need to see an optician urgently, you are colour blind, Mark is actually dressed in green and white and is of the hoops persuasion, otherwise this point is 100% correct, he should indeed support his local team :-)
Afraid you are way off the mark here Eddie Baby, the clue is in the guys name - Mark "The Hun". Time for a rethink there
As you advised I had a rethink, (despite time being fleeting and madness taking it's toll) but I'm afraid that although I see where you made the mistake, what you initially read as Mark T'Hun was in actual fact Mark Thun (though you got the middle initial right) a rather confused Austrian refugee with a poor sense of direction, he was actually heading for Germany to see his second team St Pauli, instead his wanderings took him to Scotland via Wales where he met and married a local girl which is the reason attending a match is now so expensive, as his two kids, wee thunny, and Dia Thunn (meant to be a big sook) consume the aforementioned macaroon with gusto. At first he still wanted to follow his original two teams but was advised that in Scotland Pauli T'Thunns are a despised breed so he looked around for a Scottish team to follow, bearing in mind his previous two teams and the his despised profession it's no surprise he plumped for Celtic Park, I hope this clears up your previous confusion :-)
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Paul,
An interesting post and hopefully a potential circumstance that may one day soon come to pass, but you could argue that by and large this scenario is all 'ifs' 'buts' and 'maybes', unless you know a lot more than your saying. Would that be the case or have you just taken a flyer based on wishful thinking? To be perfectly honest Paul I'm surprised you've not taken a lot more flak from the usual suspects for this article which is very tabloidesque in content.
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Aberdeen Preview now posted on
www.thelordofthewing.blogspot.com
along with Help The Jungle Bhoys
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Ok,
Having got a resounding vote of confidence (4 at last count)and also having lost the last of my pocket money on a three-legged lame charlatan in the 4.05 at limerick, I will start working on the next instalment!
BTW , scotcelt56, At 3:01 PM said…
Estadio ........
Anyway, your idea is a good one but hasn't Christopher Brookmyre already stolen it for "One Fine Day in the Middle of the Night"? I know that was set on a disused oil rig rather than a golf course in Fife but would anyone notice the difference?
You may be right, no one will tell the difference between a disused oil rig rather than a golf course in Fife, but I think they may just possibly (if they can read that is) spot the difference between Mr Brookmyre and me!
Anyway, thanks for mentioning us in the same sentence! I could use it as my publicity material!
For those who still don't have a clue what I am on about and actually give an Annie Ross, I suggest you go to
setting the scene
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Estadio,
you need treatment my friend. And i for one, hope you never receive it.
Long may you continue,as you are a complete freak.
And as everybody knows.
We all need one.
Kano.
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Hi Kano,
I noted your understandable doubt, no ridicule, of my potential jogging, as in
Estadio,pardon my rudeness,but Grandpas do not "jog" anywhere.
Enjoy picking up your ticket,but please have a stroll and less of the jog rubbish.
10 miles every second day, with 54 mile round trip on bike to Loch Lomond from Gorbals at least once a week.
Had to cut out the 5-a-sides once I passed the big nifty!
I don't understand you youngsters!
Regards
Estadio
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tinytim
You're either being facetious or you're blind.
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Stevie67 @ 2.39
You are absolutely correct re: the recent seminar on the Red Book - this is a CRUCIAL point. The surveyor in question asked an awful lot of questions about how depreciation should be applied to stadium valuations - this was just after a talk on how the RICS will be monitoring this going forward!!
As for the rest of the CQN (Surveyors sub - branch) you guys must have been having an easy day - i hope non of you are my agents!! (I work client side!)
Otto - no dont have the wellies or barbour jacket - maybe one day?? :-)
Hermes
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Re Ibrox valuation.
Dr.Evil is not as stupid as he seems. By suggesting a sale + leaseback the terms of a valuation would change dramatically.
A fully leased commercial building is valued based upon the income stream less maintenance and repairs (depreciation).
Once a "sale" of a football stadium was completed it would cease to be valued as a "special property" and would then be valued as a multiple of the agreed annual rent.
By shifting his asset from one part of his empire into another Dr.Evil could retain this valuation.
It is however an extremely risky path to tread.
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Dubai,
Not really au fait with all things financial etc, but I understood your post.
It all seemed an eminently sensible thing for DM to do to ensure paper valuations etc remain on the accountancy straight and narrow, but then you say it is a RISKY thing to do?
Why please?
Hail Hail
Estadio
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Malone19, asset ratio to borrowing, or gearing is indeed an issue, though loans would not be called in if repayments were being made. An overdraft is another matter, however, that is down to confidence.
Gearing will have an impact elsewhere. Take a look up at the business stratosphere for a moment:
Let’s say a major player, someone in the Dermot Desmond league, was looking at acquiring a football club.
They would have a look at the gearing of the club and consider what impact this would have on their own gearing once they acquire it.
Fine words Kano from Kiwi Mick. I was in the middle of those Porto fans that moment.
MolesRus, you show me a tabloid who reports the International Financial Reporting Standards impact on football.
Dubaibhoy, this is a very clear route. Lets hope.
Hermes, thanks for your assistance and input.
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Would it have been TIAR, without THIS MAN ????
How lucky we were............
Noel, here's my FIVER for wot's is name.........?
pablophanque
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Estadio,
Risky because the valuation is "false". Essentially he has asked some of his trouser rolling, dodgy handshaking pals to give him the valuation he wanted.
As long as no sales transaction takes place this was never likely to be contested and the only consequence is that he pays a higher insurance premium on the property.
However, once he decides to shift the asset, then a "transaction" will need to take place, which may put the previous valuation under scrutiny.
He would pay an inflated rental for the property in order to satisfy the valuation price, but would get a one-off cash injection to play around with. Misuse the cash injection and the road to ruin is guaranteed (see Dortmund).
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Zaragoza fined £6.000 for Eto'o abuse ??????????????????
An absolute disgrace. I wish he had walked off. It seems it's not just this country that treats abuse with only lip service.
pablophanque
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Pablophanque-
that is shocking.
I take it the fine came from the Spanish F.A.
In that case it is time for UEFA/FIFA to step in and order them to close the ground-or do not let the Spanish play in The World Cup Finals-.
The message has to be loud and clear-
RACISM-in any shape or form- WILL NOT BE TOLERATED.
noel.
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Pablophanque @6.09
Wonderful post.Will we ever see his like again?
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Dubai.
Thankyou.
Obvious really when someone who knows what they are talking about explains it.
I think I'll return now to my land of strange goings on as the CQN characters fly in from every corner of the Celtic Supporting universe for the big convention!?
Hail hail
Estadio
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Noel, yes it was and unbelievably, the 3rd time they have been fined..........!!!!?????
All teams should refuse to play at this ground.
The full article HERE.
pablophanque
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Estadio-
before you go-
were you flying the plane in this ....?
noel.
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Kojo ,Paul,Cocozza ,Malone etc.
I humbly apologise to Mr
Millar for my comments last night.
I only saw the first half of the match.
Clearly i was toon rash.
I fairness to myself i had problems posting comments on the site last night.
My original post about him being mince did not appear on the site for ages, and i posted it at half time.
I also posted a full retraction and apology last night which has not appeared on the site.
Again i was too hasty.
For the record i love the fact that he is an ex FOD player coming to us.
He can get it right up them.
I think he will score goals when we have the opportunity to counter attack.
He may struggle a bit if teams sit deep.
All in all i am pleased with his purchase.
He is the right age,right price,and has the right attitude.
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pablophanque,
That video had me cringeing at the early footage, then up on my feet cheering, and finally down on my knees crying. Gawdblessim indeed.
If anyone's wondering why Barrowfield has been so quiet this week, how about this for a list of the guys who have been off on international duty:
David Marshall, Shaun Maloney (Scotland), Gary Irvine, Paul Lawson, Rocco Quinn (Scotland Under-21s, who had call-offs from Mark Wilson, Ross Wallace and Charlie Mulgrew); Scott Cuthbert, Charlie Grant, Simon Ferry, Michael McGlinchey, Ryan Conroy (Scotland Under-19s, at tournament in La Manga Spain); Darren O'Dea, Jim O'Brien (Ireland Under-19s, also in La Manga); Michael McGovern (Northern Ireland Under-21s, he played in the televised 1-0 win in Wales).
Plus, of course, Artur Boruc and Maciej Zurawski (Poland), Shunsuke Nakamura (Japan) and Stilian Petrov (Bulgaria).
Gordon Strachan will have been left with Keane, Lennon, Bobo, Telfer, Varga and the weans.
Strength in depth? We've got it!
JohnBhoy (Angelina Jolie's main man!)
CelticFCblog
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Hermes.
Are you married to Cheryl?
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Noel, seeing as it is you, i will donate A Ton
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Ardoch-
is that thing wearing YOUR pink panties....?
:P
noel.
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Noel
The great thing about that video apart from JC's free kicks is the Brian O'Neill goal.
As JC takes the corner you can clearly hear Ally Maxwell shout "Keeper's ball". He then goes on to miss it completely!
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My dear friend, Tinytim,
To Carp, is DEVILISH.....
To Apologize, is SAINTLY!
My, dear Man.....You have just RISEN a Full 15 Points, as indicated in LARGE GREEN LETTERS, on my Handy Dandy........
CHARACTER ESTIMATION METER!
Your Renunciation of your past Folly, has been Warmly Accepted....
You ARE ONE OF THE GOOD GUYS,pal!
Celtic 34 Aberdeen 0
Hail! Hail!
Kojo.
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No but i am sure i had those shoes.
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noel90 At 6:30 PM
God wouldn't that have been something,
But I am sure it may bring to mind to all the more mature of us (sounds better than Aul Hands although perhaps descriptively loose) the following little song that Isa has banned me and James O from singing in Sharkey's
If I had the wings of a sparrow,
And I had the er*e of a crow,
I'd fly over Ibrox tomorrow,
And s***e on the bampots below
(the word wasn't bampots)
As for JohnBhoy, well we will just have to wait and see what transpires, whether everyone is who they say they are, and just who walks away with the ultimate prize (after the champions league that is)
evil HA HA HA !
Hail Hail
Estadio
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Kojo
Thank you for your kind acceptance.
I don't know if you ever watched the TV series Murder One?
If you did there is a wee ditty from Neil Avedon after he comes oot of rehab.
He refers to one of the AA rules for reforming addicts.
Which states that when he is wrong he must admit it promptly.
Thats not the exact words but i hope you get my drift.
Anyway that has always stuck with me.
If you don't know and admit when you are wrong, then you are living a lie.
I was indeed ,wrong.
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Tinytim-
your not tiny anymore !
Can we call you bigtinytim
now?
:P
noel.
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Noel90
I am not big and i am not clever.
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Just to say one of my mates was sadly taken away from us on Sunday morning. Eddie Duffy was attacked and died a day later he was one of the biggest Celtic fans about he went to all home and away games and was a member of the Milton no.1 bus. He was always the one who started all of the songs you will be sadly missed big man love you always god bless and rip big man HAIL HAIL!
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Naka that was a shocker right enough, big respect to Eddie.
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Update on the CQN fund to buy Riquelme-
Pablophanques fiver ........
My tenner ...............
Supercelt gave us a dodgy looking twenty ...........
Plato gave us an old white fiver
giving us a GRAND TOTAL OF £40
its a start............................
noel.
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My dear friend, TinyTim,
No, I have never seen the Show,to which you refer....
However, I submit to our little tete a tete, a much prized Homily, with which, I have butted heads, in the past.
"By the way, dear chap....
The last part of my story was a LIE,
The reason for that, being......
In the FIRST PART, I WAS NOT TELLING THE TRUTH!"
Not to be denied....Palonius, dear Palonius...... His sound advice comes to mind, also.......
"And this above all, To thine own self be true...."
Shucks!
On reading over what I have written...I perceive that MY advice... only RELATES IN A TANGENTIAL MANNER.... to our subject......
Nevertheless.....
IT CAN'T HOIT!
Celtic 37 Aberdeen 0
Hail! Hail!
Kojo.
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PC Greg Louden - Scotland's finest.
http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/hi/news/5049562.html
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Naka05-
I heard about Eddie-
shocking.
noel.
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Two things.
1. I am not a Quantity surveyor.
2.NOEL,I would like to contribute to your "buy Riquelme" fund.
Please find enclosed my personal IOU for Twenty Guineas.
No need for thanks.
JonG
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......well that’s it, Carnival’s over for another year (think Xmas, birthday and winning the treble all on the same day and you’ll get the idea of how most of Brasil have viewed last weekend) and I’ve hirpled back into work today after gloriously failing to meet Socrates in São Paulo (rather inconsiderately he went to Rio instead). So apologies to all – I never got to ask Doc Soc any pertinent questions about his (alleged)GAA playing days, tight shorts or dodgy appearances with Garforth Town(?).
Anyway back to fitba (the Brasilian version) and still no news of Celtic landing a successful signing from here (looks like we don’t need them right now). However, of our two previous signings:-
Juninho - Hasn’t played since December and has a damaged thigh muscle. Is now in a battle with Palmerias claiming that their club Doctor is not properly treating the injury.
Schiedt – Kept Botafogo in the hunt in last night’s Cup game, with a vital goal line clearance when they were backs to the wall. This may sound strange but it looks like he’s turning into a sort of Captain Courageous character here.
Quote of the Carnival : Romario was snapped smoking a big Havana cigar in one of the VIP boxes. When asked “Won’t that affect your training” to which the 40 yr old, 950+ goals, wee gnaff replied “It would – if I trained”
Ate mais…………….
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By the way.
Would the identity of the new international left back identified for inclusion in the summer by any chance be Ian Harte,who incidentally becomes a free agent in the summer.
Just asking.
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My dear friend, JohnG,
My information states... OTHERWISE.
If Mr. Harte is being sought, at the moment,of that... I have NO KNOWLEDGE.
Celtic 39 Aberdeen 0
Hail! Hail!
Kojo.
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Will Greg Louden be barred?
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Having spent the day in the company of architects on a course I return to find CQN loaded with surveyors all of shapes and sizes!!!!
Don't worry but, the course lecturer was slating the architects at every opportunity...especially when the news of the Scottish Parliament came through.
Couldn't we have had Ian Harte in the summer or January if we really wanted him? Wouldn't 'fit' as first choice in my team.
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tinytim 7.09
oh yes you are.
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Noel
"Plato gave us an old white fiver"
I think you'll find that that FIVER is a ONER
Being a philosopher, he probably just THINKS it's a fiver!
£36 for Riquelme.
Better get Sean Connery on the case!
BonsaiCSC
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Bonsai-
JonG gave us an I O U for twenty guineas-
making a GRAND TOTAL OF £61 for the "Buy Riquelme " fund.....
er.....how much are YOU giving ?
:P
noel.
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Just got sent this-
HAPPY DAYS
I do not agree with the Barry Ferguson comment but .......
noel.
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Hi Kojo.
I hope you're correct on this one old son,i would see a move of this nature as a retrograde step.
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Noel,
Missed the JG twenty guineas but that still makes it only £57.
I will add the loose notes hanging around my farmhouse.
Can you make use of £53,000,000 in old notes that I am trying to shift? Should go well wae those Northern Bank Notes!
However you may find that the exchange rate is probably pretty poor at the moment!
BonsaiCSC
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Bonsaicsc.
I know a man who could do with £53.000.000 at this precise time!
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JonG
As my old mum used to say:
I wouldn't give him daylight in a dark corner!
BonsaiCSC
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Bonsai-
you are correct.
Plato has ripped off the" Buy Riquelme Fund " for four measly quid .
Do you think he will square us up when pension day comes around....?
noel.
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Noel,
don't forget that in the old days a quid was probably the average monthly take home for plato.
Him and Mrs Plato probably had a house full of servants, able to go swish holidays, buy fancy horseless carriages, take the bairns to see the troops coming back from the Boer war, and still have enough left over to buy a fish supper!
It may have been his fading eyesight that confused the colours of the notes!
I think you will however need to wait till he gets his winter heating allowance!
BonsaiCSC
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Maybe the mint, more like polo mint has found a way to get £53M for free (less about £6k, if a building society had anything to do with it).
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My dear friend,JohnG and ThismanCraig,
To enlarge on the possibility of Mr. HARTE being considered for a Celtic berth........
It is an open Secret, that Mr. STRACHAN, has a double purpose in his past and subsequent FUTURE Transfer Dealings.......
His fervid desire is to Assemble TWO DISPARATE Celtic FIRST ELEVENS.
The ONE that he has Assembled at the moment was SPECIFICALLY designed,to mount a Successful Challenge, in Capturing the SCOTTISH PREMIER LEAGUE..... and up to the PRESENT TIME.....that CHALLENGE SEEMS TO BE WELL ON TRACK to be resoundingly SUCCESSFUL....
The SECOND CELTIC FIRST ELEVEN, that the Manager is proposing to Assemble, will be STRICTLY WITH THE INTENTION OF MOUNTING A SERIOUS CHALLENGE in achieving not only EUROPEAN.......but SUSTAINABLE.... FUTURE GLORY and SUCCESS.
The Aquisition of Mr. Harte, in the Context of the Aspirations indicated by the Celtic Manager, and revealed above...... simply does not qualify for consideration.
I believe that Mr. STRACHAN is displaying all of the requirements that are found only in a Great Managerial Prospect.....
He is a PLANNER!...... Not a REACTOR!!!
I am deeply impressed and eminently satisfied,by Mr. Strachan's Job performance.
Well Done, Sir!
Celtic 41 Aberdeen 0
Hail! Hail!
Kojo.
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I shall contribute 2 doubloons to the kitty.
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For Riquelme I'd give my only floodlit photocopy of a counterfeit £60 note....
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Bonsai-
Plato ? Swish Holidays ?
since when were Largs and Saltcoats considered swish
Sean Connery might have said "Scotland got beaten 3-1 by the Swish".......
I,ll just get me coat.......
noel.
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John H-
can I have a value on "two doubloons"at the close of todays markets.......
Travelbhoy-
NO counterfeits-just stolen or "hot"money is acceptable.......
noel.
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BigTinyTim, perspective is a wonderful thing. Good to hear you give the bhoy a fair crack.
Nakamura05, my sincere condolences to you, Eddie’s family and the rest of his friends on the Milton No. 1 bus.
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NAKAMURA "with a wink..........."
noel.
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Hi all
Heard rumours that Majic is injured, anyone here heard anything? Or maybe our Polish friends who blog here regularly have some info.
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MEMORY LANE GAME April 16 1977
Hibernian 0-1 Celtic
Joe Craig 63 mins.
On this day Celtic won their first ever Premier league but sadly you won't see the highlights on any video or dvd. Not because of the customary strikes of the 1970's but because of the odious chairman of Hibs, Tom Hart.
Hart is best remembered as the man who brought George Best to Scottish football but down Parkhed way he's remembered as the rat who banned the cameras the day we won the league at Easter Road.
There were many people who had doubts about the influence of tv on the attendances at games. But why did Hart wait until the penultimate Hibs' home game of that season to make his protest ? The answer lies with jealousy. In 1973 Celts had clinched the league at Hibs' ground as had Rangers in 1975. Perhaps it was too much for old Tom, especially with the fact that Jock Stein arrived at Celtic......from Hibs.
In the event Tom lost out. Not only did we win but the 23,000 gate was much lower than the 48,000 who had paid their way in 1973 when an estimated 40,000 tims descended on the capital.
The game was a scrappy nervous affair with Latchford looking sharp earlier on. An injury to Glavin upset Celts' rhythm, Burns coming on to the left and Alfie Conn moving to the right. In the second half Craig and Conn had gone close before Conn whipped in a cross that was volleyed home by Craig.
Celtic defended well and at the final whistle there were scenes of delight. Pat Stanton, that great Hibs servant, must have saw the irony in winning the league on his old home ground. Perhaps that was another reason for Hart's miserable attitude.
Kenny Dalglish was carried shoulder high at the end, scarf aloft, as the Celts' fans sang their songs of victory. A mere 21 days later and a win against Rangers would see Kenny lift the Scottish cup and a notable Celtic double.
Thanks for nothing Tom.
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CQN = Fellowship of RICS & FAAV.
Why were you all logging on here and not doing your work??
At least some of us were keeping the wheels of commerce turning.....
Noel, I can give you two bob and a bag of steelies for the Buy Riquelme Fund.
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noel90
I'd love to have Riquelme here.
I have a ten bob note if it is of any help and a couple of crumpled 100 peseta notes to add.
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Maybe-
wee need a bit of MAGIC......
noel.whohasenjoyedhisdayoffbutisbackt'mill
t'morrowtocoverfort'blokethatisoffsickjustnow.
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noel90
brilliant link to the Naka free-kick against the "family club"
Just had a wee thought - imagine being in that free-kick wall (I know its hard to imagine wearing that claret and amber stuff) but your there and you look up and see Shaun, Stan and Naka standing over the ball.
Wouldn't you just want to give up and go away and drive a lorry or something.
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Shamrock-
In the video you just can just see Shaun and Stan having a wee natter just before Naka strikes the ball..........
Stan-"what do you think Shaun ? I,ve got a pony here that says he does a "Dixie Deans " and balloons it..........."
Shaun-"Stan, I,ll put a monkey on him just clipping the top-side of the crossbar....................."
Naka-"Can,t understand a word-I,ll just stick this in the top right-hand side postage stamp corner............."
noel.
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Kano,
Yes I was around during the old days of the Internet No.1 CSC from around ’97. In fact, that site was the inspiration behind the Monthly Review (of which you appear to have an archive) that appears on ETims. The Internet CSC had something similar and it was my pleasure to actually meet the author of the ‘original’ monthlys when I was last over in Scotland in July/Aug 2004. I personally have been doing those articles for around 4 years.
I’d like to contribute more on here, but feel a little out of synch time-wise, ie my day is your night and vice-versa. But I’ve been an avid reader from day one.
However, as much as I’d like to claim the credit (and the medal) for the words you quoted, that paragraph was actually written by Martin Hannan (in The Scotsman) !! – no seriously – and to put it into its correct context I attach the build-up with several paragraphs of my words first followed by Hannan’s. If I could replicate Hannan, I wouldn’t be sitting here now, trust me. Anyway, from the ETims monthly review of May 2003:
(sorry Paul67, I hope you don’t mind reproducing it on here, I’ll not make a habit of it, just feel the need to correct Kano on this occasion)
“Seville was not just another football match. It wasn't even just another
UEFA Cup Final. It was a pilgrimage in honour of Celtic Football Club and
its people. The club's most recent achievement merely provided the excuse,
and Seville the platform, for thousands of supporters from all corners of
the globe to congregate in celebration of what it is, and what it means, to
be a Tim. You've no doubt all read the 'Seville Stories' - on this site and
elsewhere. The truth is, there's about 80,000 of these stories. Seville was
a phenomenon. Something that only those who partook - be it physically,
emotionally, or spiritually - could truly understand. Whether they could
attempt to explain it is something else altogether. The bare facts had UEFA
acknowledging that Celtic possessed the biggest travelling support they had
ever seen, yet that one small truth alone fails to account for the passion,
pride, and purpose behind such a mass movement of people.
In the end there was around 35,000 Celts inside the stadium come the hour,
outnumbering FC Porto's contingent by about three to one. You all know how
the match unfolded - Derlei's strike right on halftime, Larsson's response
immediately after the break, Alenichev then giving the Portuguese the
initiative, Larsson again refusing to lay down with another leap of faith to
equalise at 2-2. It is true that Porto's tactics - more simulation than
stimulation - undoubtedly soured the occasion, but that couldn't disguise
the reality that they could play a bit when they put their minds to it. For
much of extra-time Celtic numbered ten after Bobo Balde had been dismissed
for his second bookable, and it was Porto who got the break when Derlei
struck a second time with Celtic's rearguard scrambling. The first ever
"silver" goal destroying Celtic's dream of a first ever UEFA Cup triumph.
Celtic were up for it on the day, as their resilience attests, but in the
end Porto have been there done that, and Celtic's mountain had already been
scaled just getting there. Even if we do realise that this was Celtic's big
moment, the one opportunity to define an era and immortalise another eleven
men - and we did get agonisingly close after all - the fact remains that
Porto have had more years of Champions League football than any other club
and missing out to such consistency is really no disgrace. In diminutive
playmaker Deco, the Portuguese had the game's single most influential
player, despite the very best talismanic efforts of Larsson, and on
attacking chances created alone, Porto could lay claim to being deserved
winners. Yes they took gamesmanship to the extreme, but hand on heart, they
did actually shade the match. A stronger referee (how come such a patently
inexperienced official was in charge of such a major final?) might have
meant a better outcome, but equally, it might have meant a better Porto.
To close, I was going to rant about my "Seville week". I wasn't exactly, you
know, there, in Seville...or Spain...or er, the Northern hemisphere like,
but it was for me, like thousands of other absent friends a huge event, and
I could have made something up, honest. However, the date 21 May 2003 will
now always be significant for me in another way. For it was at 7.24 that
morning, a few hours before the Celts took part in the Final, that my
precious wife gave birth to our first son - Quinn Ali Anthony. So yeah, not
so much of an omen in the end, but I guess I had the best of reasons for not
having made it to the fair Spanish city. Anyway, among the dozens of quite
brilliant accounts of Seville I have read over the past few weeks, I also
discovered something of a media gem, if an overly-romantic one, supplied by
a rather unlikely source...to close, I give you Martin Hannan, reflecting on
the moments that followed the final whistle in Seville (writing in the 'The
Scotsman')...
"........as the Porto fans celebrated, they were drowned out by a chorus of
'You'll Never Walk Alone' the like of which had not been heard in Spain, or
Parkhead. It was a spine-tingling, lump-in-throat tear-evoking moment, and
the Portuguese supporters were struck dumb at this display of loyalty by the
Celtic supporters. As the anthem reached a crescendo, the Porto fans burst
into spontaneous applause in recognition of the loyalty and passion of the
Celtic fans, and the love for club and football which they share. For a few
seconds, it was the Beautiful Game again. More importantly, the fans inside
and outside the stadium had made a point to those who would turn soccer into
a corporate conglomerate enjoyed only by the rich and the freeloaders. 'This
is our game' they were saying. 'This is the People's Game and it will always
be ours. We're the people who count, and no-one must ever forget that'.
Overwhelmingly, it was the Celtic support in Seville who reclaimed the game
for the people........"
*Wipes tear*...Trophies, who needs 'em?”
Kiwi Mick.
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Estadio If Angelina has a sister, can I be in your next episode as her beau?: )
All the best
Corpachbhoy
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Just been listening to my friend Mr Zimmerman and had to relay his words to one of his minor masterpieces (it does have some resonance with Paul's article above)
The song is DIGNITY
Fat man lookin in a blade of steel
Thin man lookin at his last meal
Hollow man lookin in a cottonfield
For DIGNITY
Wise man lookin in a blade of grass
Young man lookin in the shadows that pass
Poor man lookin through painted glass
For DIGNITY
Somebody got murdered on New Years Eve
Somebody said DIGNITY was the first to leave
I went in to the city and in to the town
Went in to the land of the midnight sun
Searching high, searching low
Searching everywhere I go
Asking the cops wherever I go
have you seen DIGNITY
Blind man breaking out of a trance
Puts both his hands in the pocket of chance
Hoping to find one circumstance
Of DIGNITY
I went to the wedding of Mary Lou
She said " I don't want nobody see me talkin to you"
Said she'd get killed if she told me what she knew
About DIGNITY
I went down where the vultures feed
I would've gone deeper but there wasn't any need
Heard the tongues of angels and the tongues of men
Wasn't any different to me
Chilly wind sharp as a razor blade
House on fire, debts unpaid
Gonna stand at the window
Gonna ask the maid
have you seen DIGNITY
Drinking man listens to the voice he hears
In a crowded room full of covered mirrors
Lookin in to the last forgotten years
For DIGNITY
Got no place to fade, Got no coat
I'm on the rolling river on a jerkin boat
Trying to read a note that somebody wrote
About DIGNITY
Sick man lookin for the doctor's cure
Looking at his hands for the lines that were
And in to every masterpiece of literature
For DIGNITY
So many roads, so much at stake
So many dead ends, I'm at the edge of the lake
Sometimes I wonder what its gonna take
To find
DIGNITY
My apologies to Mr Dylan - his genius is undermined by my typing and missing out a couple of verses. It also does not convey properly the power of his verse.
However I am sure you will, like me, realise that Sir Bob is a Tim (pablophanque add him to the list) because he obviously knows all about DIGNITY and the man who leads them.
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Yo! peeps what gives?
im currently defrosting my fingers and trying not to bite the wineglass as my teeth chatter....
im not goin fishing with badger bait again...it was useless....
noel i had a rummage through my tackle and have come up with the grand total of 5 pounds (in fishing weights) of lead....
i will have a grope down the back of the couch for some loose change and let you know what i find...
catch/tide/weather report
3 cod,a dogfish...about 40 crabs(stop sniggering at the back) and frostbite.....
5.6m tide and very cold...
prediction for weekend ...
celtic 3 aberdeen 0
another clean sheet i kid you not...
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Aldo-
got a couple of coppers to add to the "Buy Riquelme Fund"....?
Juan Roman Riquelme
noel.
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Hubby has been off work and not done a hands turn he has been on the flamin' pc all day. Do you think maybe i could borrow him to do something productive anything really before the day is through?
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plato>thanks for your kind comments...
sadly a few fishes lost out today,lol...
oh by the way i met an ould hand called neptune today by the sea and was asking for a few people on CQN.......
do you wish me to continue?
:-P
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noels missus> so he turns hands for a living........
*intruigued*
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I hope you gave neptune a wave Aldo.
Taxi!
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He turns my stomach too sometimes
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Noels missus does his job involve pc's at all then?
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No comment Ardoch secret officials act and all that you know
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noels missus>ill bet you will be worried when he starts turning heads......
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mmmm interesting!
Noel it's no wonder you take a drink!
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What like Linda Blair aldo?
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noel90> okies so far down the back of the couch i have found 7 crisp packets(damn kids!)lots of crumbs ..origins unknown....several curly hairs and
the grand total of £1.67
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Excellent stuff Kiwi Mick, thanks for sharing it. I am sure you have even better memories of 21st May 2003 than the rest of us.
Noel’s Missus, I am sure we can spare him for half an hour.
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Tiny Tim
Glad you have seen sense!
CC IS in the KM CONVERT CSC (anyone else join it last nite?!)
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Noel For the Riquelme fund, found these down the couch after the last time Pablo was round : )
http://img336.imageshack.us/img336/6655/romancoins8ee.jpg
All the best
Corpachbhoy
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cheers Paul67.
I'm like, "naaaww, don't have the baby now ffs, I'm just logging on, I need to get the team news ... what ... your water ... um ...c'mon page ..load ya fckr ..what darl ... yer water's what ...how long ... *looks at watch* ... converts Seville time to NZ time ...what's that darl, your bag? ... oh, okay *stomps feet* give us a minute ..."
we did make it to the maternity suite ... admittedly, the result in Seville did pale into insignificance for a wee while.
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You can have him back just as soon as he takes the marigolds off.
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Noels missus,`What, like Linda Blair?`
More like Lionel Blair, if you ask me....
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Thankfully its almost Saturday and we can watch the hoops again.
East End seemed liked weeks ago. It must have been all the Guinness celebrating Lennon's wonder strike.
Whats the odds on him taking a few more pot shots thru the rest of the season?
Anyone going for a pint in the association before the game on Sat?
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MAN!! All this talk of surveying and re-evaluation, makes me want to ask you financial folk one question.
WHAT IS AMORTISATION??!!
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Plato
GET TO THE SHED! You should know better.
Corpachbhoy
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noel a hunner'n'90
Yon white fiver which i donated to the "Ramon" fund, is actually VERY rare, and is worth MILLIONS!!!
Well on our way with the fund now, methinks!!
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Plato
Very Very rare indeed.
In fact it is the only white fiver that is not only blue but is marked as ONE pound!
What a fiend, I mean find!
BonsaiCSC
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Bonsai
SSSSSSSHHHHHHH!!!!!
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For your information, all you doubters should be made aware, that "yon white note", is the ONLY white one pound note that was worth a fiver!!
For that reason, it is now worth millions, I tell you, MILLIONS!!
I am now going to find a "Swish holiday" for me, me family and me servants.
Somewhere hot mind. The cave has been WAAYYY too cold, these last few days!!
noel a hunner'n'90
I salute you and your undeniable indefagadability(?)
However, more and more bloggers are now seeing you for what you really are -
AN AUL HAUND!!
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aldo 67 10.23
If you were able to find a spare five pounds in your tackle to give away you must be a very large bhoy!!!
One can only imagine what Mrs aldo 67 sees in you.
BankieBhoy
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Well.
Another day done!
Mair platonic keech the morra!
BONJOUR!!
aldo
I thought you fisherman type chaps, didnae bother if you caught anything, or no'?
I was under the distinct impression, that you guys regailed each other, with tales of "the one that got away. Ye know the; "am'm no kiddin', man!! It wis the size of Dions' diggler, so it wis! Pure massive, man"!!, type of tales!!
I'll bey that you have some "whoppers" of your own to tell!!
MOANTHEFISH!!!
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Just watched the Porto game from September '01. Rode our luck a tad, but what struck me most, apart from remembering how well our back 3 could play !!!!!!!! was how good Paul Lambert was.
I suspect it was more of a case of taking his obvious skills for granted...........? but by fk, he was the MOTM by a country mile.
What a fantastically intelligent player he was. No wonder we could play with a back three. He and Lennon epitomised the adage, "Non shall pass".
The pain of injustice is still so acute, even now. Who says cheats never win ????????????? and I don't mean those fkrs in the blue and white !!
I think we finished on 9 points that season and it should have been 12, but for a diving, cheating Italian barsteward called Amoruso................ No, not that one !!!!!!!!!!! The Juve one.............
Will we ever see their likes again ????????? The Celtic team, that is.
I think we are all still carrying unrealistic expectations borne out of a "Once in a generation's" achievements.
We had the money. We had the manager, and most importantly, we had 3-4 outstanding players (and one world class ) already at the club. As individuals at any other club, I think their achievements would never have amounted to what they achieved as a team.
I think we all need a reality check. Not negatively, per se, just more as an appreciation of what a unique set of circumstances we all lived through for 4-5 years.
Remember, it had been 23 years prior to MON arriving, that we had still been in Europe after Christmas !!!!!!!!!!!!!
There is no reason why it might not be a very long time until we do it again. This is not the prophet of doom speaking. This is the voice of reason who "Suffered" NIAR, and who is quite happy if he never sees that again for the rest of his life.
pablophanque
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A controversial late night post for CQN.
What I am about to suggest may be an abhorrence to many Celtic fans but it's my personal opinion.
As signings for next season,I believe that Ian Harte and Liam Miller would be excellent Bosman signings,or in Miller's case perhaps a small fee.
Both are proven internationals and would add to the squad,although in Harte's case I don't believe he would necessarily be a first choice but would give excellent competition to another full-back.Not forgetting though that this guy has played in a CL semi-final.
Everything depends on wages and WGS's approval,but never discount the fact that they are Celtic fans.Before any one goes off on one telling me that doesn't matter,I'm not suggesting we sign players just because they support the Hoops.
However,when watching the programme about the centenary season it struck me just how many of the these guys were Celtic fans.These guys knew what that season meant and their undoubted ability allied to an unbelievable will to win carried them to an unlikely success.
You can never have too many of these type of guys if they have the ability.I don't think we should ever under-estimate just how much extra a supporter/player can give when the chips are down.
BankieBhoy
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Morning Paul,fellow tims and Edward
Estadio,believe me I am no youngster.I am amazed if your routine is true.Was imagining me trying to do it when I read your post.Even the thought scared me.
Kiwi Mick, I am closer to you than Scotland,know what you mean.
Apologies for misquoting you.
That passage was filed under your good self in my "Seville folder".
Does Steve(Gaudd) still have anything to do with the E-tims?
Or has he faded away in to the background.Or have you all ganged up on him and buried him somewhere?
Kano
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Kano, why am I thinking I must know you under another name? Oh, and see that Weeron who posts on here - he too dates back to the days of the old Internet #1 if I'm not mistaken. We've had a few beers together haven't we Weeron?
Yep Kano, Steve is still involved with the site and hopefully, all according to plan, will have a cracking article on the mint up over the weekend. I read it earlier and if you've got half an hour (!) ie long ..it'll blow you away. I suspect he is just too busy to contribute regularly, which is a shame. A group of us hijacked the site when he had his back turned.
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Paul, talk about the power of CQN ??????????????
This is the Wikipedia list of "FAMOUS" 'Tic fhans prior to my canvasing last weekend..........
Bono
Jim Kerr
Sean Connery
Billy Connolly
Claire Grogan
Eddie McGuire
Fran Healy
Ardal O'Hanlon
John Higgins
Dominik Diamond
Steve Collins
Tony Roper
Sharleen Spiteri
Teenage Fanclub
Elaine C Smith
Primal Scream
Rod Stewart
Shane McGowan
Liam Gallagher and Noel Gallagher
Franz Ferdinand
Mogwai
Dario Franchitti and wife Ashley Judd
Nadine Coyle
Dropkick Murphys
Feargal Sharkey
John Reid
Peter Mullan
Dave Roberts
Martin Scorsese
Hulk Hogan
Snoop Dogg
Damien Duff
Robbie Keane
Now the list has been altered by the removal of Hulk Hogan and has the addition of these names ........
Gil Scott Heron - whose father Gil Heron was Celtic's first black player
Shay Given
The Arctic Monkeys
Kasabian
Paul McGinley
Alan McManus
Westlife
Dermot O'Leary
Brian McFadden
Liam Fox
George Galloway
Ziggy Marley
Alan Shearer
Michael Owen
Ian Harte
Apart from Kasabian, Liam Fox (Conservative Mp !!!) and Ian Harte, all the new additions were on my list ?????????????? Coincidence ??????????? or have Wikipedia been keeping an eye on the one site that matters ?????????
So, what will they do when I send them the full list ????????? Some of which are far more eminent than the ones they had, or the ones they have added ????????? As you would say..........Hmmmmmmmmmmmm !
pablophanque
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Mick, how can you be in "Law", and be an accountant ?????????
Just curious mind.
BTW, how sunny and hot is it there?
pablophanque
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Pablo,
I'm the guy who holds the purse for a bunch of legal eagle types who specialise in cashing in on other folks' misfortune. A beanie for a partnership. And no, I'm not proud of myself either!
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Oh, and another thing...........
Did you know, that in this day in history the number one was "The Wayward Wind" by Frank Ifield in 1963 ??????????? No ? Neither did I.
pablophanque
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sorry Pablo, just seen the other question - windy, temp mid-20s, overnight frosts indicate that summer fast coming to an end. Mild, but not El Scorchio...
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Mick I remember sneaking a look at the old Internet #1CSC on the only work's computer connected to the Tinterweb. It seems so long ago, maybe I should accept the fact that I have become one of the AUL HANDS.
I'm sure that I've a jpeg somehwere of mesel turining out for the then infamous Alcohol and Curry CSC at some hastily arranged tournament in London. I happened to be in the area on business and volunteered my services (it turned out that I was carrying an injury that required surgery) and it was less than well attended by those who regularly turned out for them. A bit of a blip in their up to then unblemished record I believe.
I'd like to think that those who turned out did our fellow Celts fans proud with, at the very least, our efforts, our sportsmanship, our vocals and the amount of lager that we put away at the awards ceremony afterwards.
All the best
corpachbhoy
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Pablo, Frank who?
You're a zep fan I see?
having this argument someone the other day - Led Zep III or Led Zep (untitled) IV ?? What's better in your learned opinion?
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Mick, make no appologies, we all have to earn a crust..........
Who knows what legacy I'm leaving behind !!!!!!!!!!???????????
pablophanque
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200............wooohooooooooohhh.
pablophanque
