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Mibbes aye,mibbes naw
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Hope you are right!
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Apologies for being absent today. I am busy on a important matter this week and will unfortunately be unable to get involved in any conversations.
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Paul67 I suggested Kenny Miller will continue to play mid field (as he does now for Wolves) to allow Stan The Striker to play upfront.
Maybe you could see that it was half in jest.....but it was also half serious.
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Doah! Nice dodge Paul.
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Petrov is a common 'value' bet for me to score first goal. Usually about 12-1. Has a bit of a striker's instinct and is an intelligent footballer, passing and then moving to create space in and around the box.
Tactically it was a great move by Strachan and he has to be applauded for it.
I still have my doubts re Miller in that I think he is a better counter-attacking player. Pace is always a huge asset for a striker though.
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Not meaning to split hairs but I'm pretty sure Petrov was a Dalgleish / Barnes signing not Dr Jo.
One thing I have been pleased about is the lack of moaning by Petrov and fans about him 'playing out of position' either on right midfield or an impromptu appearance up front. I've always felt that Petrov plays well on the right of midfield with a good RB allowing him to move inside at times.
Personally, I would rather we kept Big John next season rather than sell him on as some seem to be advocating of late - he offers us something none of oue other strikers can
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On another note, can we cut out this nonsense about first poster? It's completely childish and you will have noticed that i didn't do somersaults over it.
Right, where's my garland gone?
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Petrov WAS signed by Dalgleish and barnes and their subsequent treatment of the lad almost put him in the nuthouse.
noel.
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The_ball_is_round_to_go_around
Yes Petrov was a Dalgleish / Barnes signing not Dr Jo but he was the one who I.D. him and the Dalgleish / Barnes followed up Dr. Jo's lead. One of my big regrets was that we did not have Dr. Jo for longer.
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Well done to somebody for getting FIRST something or other.........
noel.
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Hi Paul,
You say that Mr Hartson will be used sparingly next season that may be so but I don't think it will be with Celtic.
Molerus :- I have often disagreed with Paul (in what I hope is a friendly way) over his generational prediction, one of the problems is that it's so hard to define, but much as your team are the better of the two at present I would be inclined to agree, with those statistics we are in the middle of a generation of domination, Paul was right but about the wrong team :-)
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good on WGS for having the strength to play/think `outside the box' but I wonder what would have happened if we had stuck away the three/four clear chances we had in the first half?
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Hartson is history,the future is players who can be bothered to run
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As much as Dr Jo did some good things and signed some good (and some awfully good) players, he also brought in Scott Marshall on loan!
Imagine replacing Dr Jo with John Barnes. The equivalent of replacing MON with Steve McMananman
Finally, can we bring back Davie Hay please, I really liked him
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You always have to look at Hartson and say: Ok, he doesn't offer movement or much workrate but if he was out the team it would be difficult to get someone in who would score as many.
However if you look at it from a different perspective it may be the case that, by replacing Hartson with a striker who doesn't score as many in a season, the team overall may actually score more goals (and possibly concede less).
Hartson's goal tally although excellent isn't outstanding in the way Larsson's was. I can see of the current squad Beattie and Zurawski being on the same level in terms of goals in the same amount of games in a season.
That being said, Hartson offers the team something different. While many will see him as one dimentional that dimention is one we would not have without him.
The thing that bothers me at present is I do not see any form of partnership with Hartson and Magic... I think Hartson and Miller would work and also Miller and Zurawski, even Miller/Zurawski and Beattie but for some reason Magic and BBJ seem as if they are playing individually. Zurawski is often out wide when BBJ tries to head it down to him and when Magic breaks through he has no support. To play with Hartson I think you have to be a more direct player; Magic likes come back and work for the ball if he's not getting the supply he needs.
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Dr jo did not id Stan petrov. Stan and Martin Petkov were touted around Europe by their agent, both had trials at Celtic and Olympiakos amongst others.
Stan had already caught John Barnes eye in a friendly between Bulgaria and England.
I missed the game on Saturday, away celebrating the big 40 (although I'm clinging onto my 30's until Wednesday). sounds as though it was a good performance. I saw goals on CNN, no other Scottish result was mentioned. Another 3 points and another game forward towards the title.
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Paul67 re: BBJ being used sparingly, would it not be better to sell (asset management) and use Dion sparingly? My thought process here is if our go-forward MO is mobility then a target man will always be a rescue player. If that is the case the best value for money player should be retained (cost/mins played).
I would support this If and only if Dion can show us he can perform to the same level as BBJ. I think I would try and give him a run to see what he has in that old locker.
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Kojo
Regarding McManus, I think you enlightened us a week or so back as to him resigning and that we should not be concerned thank you for doing so.
As for our last debate `If you know your History'
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Just want to clarify that I meant I'd like to bring back Davie Hay in a scouting role, a job he did so well under TB and Wim.
Edward - I would suggest that Rangers generation of dominance ended the day MON walked into Parkhead - the respective points totals (and OF results) over the subsequent 6 seasons would indicate a fair gap between the two sides in terms of league perfomances.
But for 3 more goals at the right time Celtic would now be on the road to 6 in-a-row (I know, ifs and buts, ifs and buts).
I don't subscribe to the generation of dominance theory, but Mr Murray will really need to pull a rather large financial rabbit out the hat to give his new manager a significant transfer kitty - the saleable assets down govan way are pretty limited don;t you agree?
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I,m not too keen on slagging off John Hartsons mobility-
....... he seems to do ok in the bedroom department.......
On the same subject here is Pablophanques version of how to spot a millionaire.......
noel.
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leabgarrow
I'm always happy to stand corrected (altough I think I'm right on this one).
I remember Stan and Martin Petkov being over here, given the way M. Petrov is playing now for Ath. Madrid it is a pitty we didn't get him to.
I remember John Barnes getting a letter from the then England manager kevin Keegan to support Petrov getting a visa based on the Bulgaria and England.
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Anybody got any idea why on Sat Roy K. seemed to be sporting a retro George Connolly haircut?
Have they started selling plastic wigs yet?
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To be honest i think playing petrov up front would be a good idea. however look at the way he is playing at the moment and you will see ther is no need to change him, if you wer to play him up front who would you move about or put in his place ???????
Hail Hail
Roach
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Wouldn't be surprised if BBJ was "rested" after the league is won and WGS experimented with only 1 up front, but with either Stan, Naka or Wee Shaun playing in the hole behind Magic.
We seemed to be able to pull the Aberdeen defence out of position easier after BBJ went off and some of that is because Stan is prepared to drop deeper for the ball than BBJ so pulling their defence out and creating space for others, ie Magic, in behind.
Just a thought!!
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My dear friend, CelticBhoy,
Thank you for your thoughtful reminder.
In respect to our past exchange on the wisdom or folly in the reliance of Past Historical Events...........
Fuggggggettttttttabbbbbboutit....
I am too INURED, in my steadfast beliefs,in that respect,to indulge in a fair "Thrust and Parry".
The UPSHOT, is therefore.....
A, big fat, MOOT Conclusion!
Sir Paul.....
Your point concerning the STARTLING ( to some! to some!) introduction of Mr.Petrov, by The Celtic Manager, to the ARCANE ROLE of the STRIKER,........ was indeed, an Introduction Made in HEAVEN.
Stan took to his new berth, like the Proverbial.
"WILL THE REAL STAN PETROV........ PLEASE STAND UP?"
Not such a Jocular Question, as would appear, at first BLUSH.....HMMMMMMM?
I must say that it Only HAMMERS HOME our Mutual Conviction, that MR. GORDON STRACHAN is INDEED an
ASTONISHING INNOVATOR and a TECHNICAL SVENGALI.....
Hail! Hail!
Kojo.
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celticbhoy
I think you were right about Martin Petkov being over here ate the same time as Stan but I don't think it is the same guy who is playing so well for Athletico
Maybe wrong (and if I am I apologise) but I think Petkov went to Germany and don't know where after that.
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I'd like to see us play a more unconventional formation along the lines of 4-2-3-1, especially if we are gonna keep Captain Neil on for another season.
Some along the lines of...
Boruc
Wilson Balde AN Other AN Other
Keane Lennon
Naka Stan Maloney
Magic
with an abundance of riches on the bench waiting to come on and change the game! (McGeady, Beattie, Miller, Hartson, Pearson etc...)
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shamrock diary
Most likey you are right, I just wonder if anyone out there can help.
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My dear friend, The_ Ball_ is, etc.,
As the months Peel Away.... you will become aware.....
That GORDON STRACHAN'S ULTIMATE CELTIC TEAM FORMATION ...Is...
4-2-4.
Why do you think, the CELTIC MANAGER, is CONTINUOUSLY ASCERTAINING the VERSATILITY of his Players??
Added to the Fact, that he is busily, in the PROCESS, of Securing 3 Viable Performers for Each PLAYING POSITION?
Yes, I have been Informed, that this is his VISION for the " SUMMER OF CELTIC"( Thanks Boss....... for that one!)
An EXCITING ONE TOUCH GROUP OF CELTIC PERFORMERS, who WILL SIMPLY SWEEP aside all and SUNDRY.......!!
STAY TUNED, guys...
Hail! Hail!
Kojo.
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Paul67
I expec6t JH will not even be at the club next season and it does not make sense to have one of our highest earnest used sparingly.
Darryl King tonight on Clyde, when questioned by a Celtic fan about the possibilty of trouble at the Villarreal game, and in the town, that it was outrageous to say this about the supporters of our rivals.Remember he said the riot in Vigo airport caused by the Celtic support.Add the Evening Times to the list of boycotted publications.I have said before this guy cannot and does not even attempt to hide his predjudice and his loyalties.
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The_ball_is_round_to_go_around said…
The formation of 4-2-3-1 is played by a lot of Spanish teams i.e. real Madrid it depends on the overlapping fullbacks, plus a target man or someone who can hold the ball up such as Hartson.
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the_ball_is_round_to_go_round,
I am not sure about the formation that you have suggested (See above), and there is a flaw who would be the an other. I for one would make sure that telfer certainly wasnt ther as on sat the man was strugling to string a short pass together never mind the long balls plus i doubt that WGS would change the well tried and tested 4-4-2 formation. All the same a good point keep them up :o)
HAIL HAIL
ROACH
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Theballisround.... Whether the last generation ended when you say I'm not sure, but it does show just what you can do with figures, right now both sides can claim a roughly 66% share of the titles depending on when you start. I do think a fair bit of spending money will be made available to Mr Le Guin when the last i is dotted and t crossed. as you say money making options seem quite limited but I do think the money will be found. I've heard a few folk say they aren't too worried about him coming to Ibrox, being honest would those folk have the same opinion of him had he been appointed at Celtic Park?
btw without trying to boast I'd like to point out that I've been saying Mr Le Guin would be at Ibrox since Oct/Nov (if I got it right more often I would be boasting, but I'll claim prescience in this one)
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Noel5.59pm.
Great photo.So which one was the millionaire.
On Saturday having decided we were getting no return from BBJ, WGS decided to change things.
We watched him prior to the change having a really long discussion with the other coaches, before deciding to go with Stan up front.
It worked great.
However he had no other viable alternative other than Dublin who is the same type of player as BBJ, which shows exactly why he has added Kenny Miller to the pool.The need for further variation.
I don't believe he has finished recruiting Strikers.
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Martin Petrov was not the player who came over on loan with Stan. It was Milan Petkov, a winger in the same CSKA side as our Petrov. However, I do agree.....I'd take Martin Petrov on our left flank any day.
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Superb piece on etims about David Murray`s stewardship of Rangers and the abject failure of the press to hold him to account.A well known tale on this site I agree but to see it laid out from start to finish is devastating
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Watched Saturdays game again.
you could maybe have seen our formation and tactics for away games in europe next year.
magic, up front with supporting midfield players, 3 in central midfield ensuring that we have a solid base, when defending.
it showed that keane and lennon can play in same team, lennon covering and keane breaking forward, haven't seen the man in attacking positions and as many shots on goals for years. just shows what a player he is, and how good he was in his hey day. still the man, in many ways.
it shows that Gordon can play a variety of formations/tactics with options. kenny miller, craig beattie, aideninho mcgeady to come into squad.
an excellent performance all round.
a couple of signings in summer, and again we'll still be the TEAM to beat. Yes Ra@@@ers will strengthen, but we will have a settled side, and whom have played together for a year, and the young players will have more confidence being regulars in the first team.
I really do feel Keano has brought a winning mentality to team, BIG time player, who i feel has driven the team forward, since becoming fully fit. The guys a WINNER. And constructive criticism during games, essentially to make the younger players better in the future.
Just my opinion.
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Heraldo-
My opinion as well.
Keane didn,t just come here to win the SPL-He is here to give us the extra push we WILL need next season in The Champions League.
JonG-
Someone sent me this photo today.
The caption says Celtic Park 1933-is that your car outside....?
:P
noel.
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Kojo
If you look at the way the team have being playing for most of the season you'll find it's been 4-2-4 at least at some points in the games.
To me it looks like when attacking WGS wants both Maloney and Nakamura or one of to play wide just behind the strikers and the full-backs to push up; when defending Maloney and Naka are wide midfielders and the full backs in a flat back four.
At the weekend when Hartson came off I don't believe Petrov moved up front. At least for the first 10 minutes anyway he seemed to play as a (very) attacking midfield player in a midfield five with Zurawski up front himself a lot - with Petrov's movement this allowed him to be up front when attacking and track back when not.
That's my perspective on it anyway.
I still don't think (long-term) Keane and Lennon in the same team will work, not in a 4-4-2 anyway. Not because they are both defensive players as Keane is more than capable of creating and scoring but because in a 4-4-2 I don't think you need a holding midfielder, not in the SPL anyway. In a 3-5-2 or against tough European competition it's important to have someone soley concentrating on sweeping up in midfield, in the SPL it only slows us down and makes us less mobile. Keane can do both as can Petrov to an extent. IMO two box-to-box midfielders is the way to go in a 4-4-2.
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*both being attacking and defending
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CQN quiztime.
Name 3 scots managers who have managed teams against Celtic in euro competition.
Answers around 10 unless the auld hauns get there first !
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Not mine Noel...mine was green.
Malone19.
Spot on.
Stan worked himself into the forward role and did indeed spend the first few minutes getting forward in support of Magic.
Roy Keane though was able to push right up by Lennon staying in the holding role.
Not saying NL should remain after the season ends but RK wouldn't be able to make such runs without adequate cover behind him.
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JonG
Good point, especially if we continue to play very attack minded wide players.
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skelly2
Thanks.
EdwardUrsus
Just how long is a generation?
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Malone19
I agree with some of your points.
I do believe that Neil Lennon, will be here next year.
Gordons 4-4-2 can be changed to a variety of formations all in the one game. In Europe away we could be 4-5-1 defending and 4-3-3 attacking with 3 central midfield players and the wide players supporting Magic.
The formation when naka came on for example, with stan just off magic, but dropping into midfield when defending.
Flexibility is the key, especially in Europe.
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ST Anthony-
The ex-Newcastle manager- with Blackburn
is one.
noel.
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St Anthony
That question was in the half time quiz from Saturday's program....
And I thought you made the questions up yourself, Unless you write it for the match program??
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Shankly is another....
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NEWS FLASH..........
Rangers win in spain!
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Are two of the managers Stewart Baxter (?) and the formerly mooustachioed fomerly employed former manager of you know who?
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My dear friend, Malone19,
Your comment that you noticed, that the Celtic Manager, is employing the STORIED HUNGARIAN... 4-2-4 Formation, from time to time, during some games..... speaks VOLUMES for the WEALTH of YOUR SOCCER TECHNICAL Knowledge.....
I must confess, at this Juncture....that personally speaking, I myself am sadly Lacking in this ESOTERIC ART!
What I have passed on Today, is info. that has been passed on to me...by one who knows.....
However, round about the 3rd or 4th.Celtic game of this season....... I was viewing that particular unfolding game, in the Company of the THREE AMIGOS........
They were constantly drawing my attention to the ebb and flow of MR. STRACHAN'S TEAM TACTICS.....
And, EXACTLY as you have observed........ it was pointed out to me, in that particular game....... the Celtic Manager was EMPLOYING ......4-2-4 on several occasions.....during the contest....
Mr. STRACHAN is NO MEAN SOCCER TACTICIAN...... The THREE AMIGOS made that VERY CLEAR to me... those many MONTHS AGO......
And their OBSERVATIONAL OPINION of the CELTIC MANAGER has been THOROUGHLY VINDICATED........ Remember, this was told to me... at the Initial Uptake of the STRACHAN INCUMBENCY!
And it has been VERIFIED IN SPADES!
Knowing this, I have always been confident in GORDON'S ABILITY to Turn the CELTIC SHIP,which at that time was dangerously heading for the Iceberg......
But my confidence was CAUTIONED by the POSSIBILITY that the CELTIC FAITHFUL would SOUR ON GORDON'S AFFILIATION WITH THE CELTIC CAUSE.... BEFORE he had a CHANCE TO CONVINCE The DOUBTFUL DOUBTERS......
Thankfully, that is all in the Past...
Mr. Strachan has swept away his Cavilers and Thomasinas..... were they belong...in the Dustbin of Lost CAUSES.
As I Have said.........
We are Coursing, "Full Speed Ahead".......
Destination??
"THE SUMMER OF CELTIC"
Prepare to sit back an ENJOY!
Hail! Hail!
Kojo.
Nota Bene:
The "THREE AMIGOS" referred to above are NOT Los INFIELS.....
That is a collective title ,Fargo has given to His Ex- Celtic Player, Friends.
Euro...... Here come the CELT'S!
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st.anthony..jinky is correct, that question was in Saturday's programme however the question indicated that there were only 2 Scottish managers. I think that there may have been 4 in fact and I would say that Joe Gilroy, ex Clyde, managed Valur Reykjavik in 1975 when we beat them 9-0 on aggregate.
Didn't Inter Cable Tel have a Scotsman in charge too?
Gordon.
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Jim Blyth?
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No George Wood, the other hopeless one-cap-wonder Scottish keeper from that era. Wonder where Blyth is now?!?
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Yeah I know, that's why I added some exclamation marks in with the question marks:-)
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No you didn,t.........
noel.diveincsc.
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skelly, you are right, milan not martin Petkov. no idea where he is now. Celticbhoy, Dr jo was not involved.
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Druiddude/Dontbrattbackinanger/Rioskorrie/Spikeysauldman..thanks for you postings earlier today about Sarsfield.
Gordon.
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In the long run I would love to see us playing a 4-3-3 the way Barca and a few others in Europe do.
One focal striker (likely Maciej) with two wide who drift between the front and midfield. At the moment we would have a choice of Nakamura, Maloney or McGeady in these roles.
What you do need for this to work however is a very mobile middle three who can all tackle and pass the ball. With Keane holding we currently have Pearson and Petrov who fit this mould.
However the real area we would need to bolster to even consider this formation would be the full backs. They are required to be almost perfect readers of the game as they will need to support midfield when the wide forwards push up, but be constantly ready to cover their space. Wilson once he's on the right perhaps, but another couple brought in the summer wouldn't go amiss.
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I just heard from a very good source
that Le Guen,murray,big eck,martin bain
and wee barry held a secret meeting on
Fraggle Rock this afternoon......
:P
noel.
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RE the quiz: Ivan Golac managed dundee utd and Partizan Belgrade (still one of the most exhilirating games I've been to!)
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CelticBhoy,
A generation is roughly twenty years.
The time it takes one genratation to father the next.
I go with then rule that 'my generation' is anybody born ten years either side of myself. On the whole that tends to work quite well.
Twenty years of dominance is highly unlikely, although another 9 in a row would be nice.
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Just watched the first half of Wigan - Manure.
Observations: Wigan fans singing the Billy Boys (paraphrased I assume). When we couple this to Liverpools adaptation of "The streets of Anfield Road", then there is virtually no chance that UEFA will ever prosecute a set of fans who apparently sing similar ditties - even if the words are different. Let's face it would you expect a Belgian / Swiss / Italian observer to understand the finer points of a song from the terraces.
It will never happen.
In my opinion, parochial Scottish legislation assists in perpetuating Sectarianism. Why not try ignoring it or laughing it off?
And when they're at it they should reconsider their attitudes to sex, drugs and rock'n'roll.
With a bit of French laissez-faire and a sprinkling of Dutch liberalism Scottish football could be so much better.
Maybe then we could concentrate on the football.
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The ball is round/leagarrow, as CelticBhoy said, I also thought Petrov was a Barnes signing, though I recently discovered (from an impeccable source) that he was lined up by Dr Jo.
CelticBhoy, ‘negos’ are underway with McManus, a deal is expected to be announced soon.
Kojo, Gordon Strachan has those precious two components that a successful manager needs at Celtic.
He will do very well next season in Europe.
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Celticbhoy :- For the purposes of debate I would say 15 years, with domination consisting of 11 + titles plus a good hall of cups in that period, different trophy haul but from a previous posting I know that under the parameters I've set it's very rarely done.
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Shocked and Stunned. paul67 Lazy Journos?
I read in the Ev. Times That PLG is coming to Rangers and it is all over the ‘FRONT PAGES” in France!!!!
However after looking at Le Monde front and back pages and L’Equipe (Sports paper) neither carry the story on the FRONT PAGE or in fact on any page. I also checked out Yahoo France. Guess what? On the sport section it did not make Les Top des articles……Weird.
I guess I don’t have that same journalistic vigour to get to the truth as the venerable Darrell Ming(ing) as I failed to uncover the same data he was so easily able to get his hands on. Hats off to the better man ……..Still Darrell I wonder what pages it was splashed over En France though. Could you help if you are reading?
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As some of you noted, that quiz question was in the programme on Saturday, however they only mentioned 2 and a discussion ensued on our bus.
As always, Gordon has stolen my thunder with the Joe Gilroy answer from Valur in 1975. Thought that was a toughie.
George Wood is also correct so that goes to show you what I know !
So the answer was 4 rather than 3.
Gordon....Joe Gilroy ? Are you a mindreader ?
More fun and mirth next Monday.
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SanFran_Tic
If you log onto NewsNow and type "Guen" in their search engine, there are links to L'Equipe, and various other French and Italian news sources from this morning on le Guen and Rangers. My French is rusty and my Italian virtually non-existent, but they do seem to be saying he is joining them.
I just think, another poor B****** conned by Murray. Didn't L'Equipe once call Rangers "the stupidest team in Europe"?
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st.anthony...I posted a wee story on here a few months ago that I was at the game in Iceland in 1975.
There weren't many Celtic fans there and after the game Johannes Edvaldsson invited us back to a nightclub where most of the Celtic players were having a few drinks. Joe Gilroy was there too and that is why I knew the answer.
Gordon.
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I've just reread the quiz question - Ivan Golac isn't Scottish, not even an East coaster.
DOH!
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OG in injury time..ManU win.
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Good news on McManus. Caldwell in/McManus out wouldn't have been progress.
McManus has shown this season he can live with the pressure of being a Celtic player. Something Caldwell will have to learn/deal with next season.
McManus next to a good cenre half, like Balde, and with the leadership of Keane, to learn from will hopefully go on improving his overall game.
However I would still say he has to be Young Player of the Year!
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thanks for not drawing attention to my mistake and highlighting how much of a numpty knacker my answer made me look
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Excuse me Paul!
I think you'll find I posted the very point "Stan is so bad at the moment, why don't we just play him up front where he can't hide" around the 12,000 mark.
Maybe it got lost when the blog was broke!!
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Excuse me Paul,
While excepting the fact that I didn’t advocate Stan as CF, but since Roy Keane’s arrival was first confirmed, I thought that Petrov is best utilised in a forward position.
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Kevtic-
Your 1st Celtic v rangers game-
Murdo ran nearly the length of the pitch to score the winner-from a pass from Charlie Nicholas.
I was there and Johnbhoy too.
davie syme doesn't look too happy-GOOD !
noel.
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Chairbhoy
I was having a laugh, but by weight of evidence, you Sir, have a point!
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FirsbyHoop
All I get in l'Equipe is a story from December linking PLG and Rangers. If it is not to much trouble can you post what you see so's a kin read it.
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Chairbhoy, I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt, though I am not sure you would have put five players behind that three man midfield....
Ritchie, I missed the day we hit 12,000, must have been then afterall, forget this having a laugh nonsense.
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Noel,
That picture was taken at Ibrox when Murdo McLeod scored the equaliser in the 4-4 draw.
Still couldn't believe we drew that game after being 3-1 up!
Thought the auld hand would know that!!
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Discybhoy-
you are correct.
The caption with the photo gives it as the game I mentioned but Peter Grant never played in that one.
Apologies.
noel.
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Noel, no apology asked for required sir.
However I am beginning to think you aren't the only auld hand here......
Cheers
Discy(help the aged)bhoy
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Richie, Paul,
Thanks for given me the benefit of the CONSIDERABLE doubt.
Yet my point at the time was that Petrov could comfortably play "Paul Sco;es" role that was so effective in the best Man U side of the last 30 years.
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Cheers Noel
Murdo scored a few crackers against them. Including the 8th in 4-4 match at matchbrox (as pictured).
Anyway Syme or Dallas - who was the worst?
Syme - the trouser dropping rfc sth - who sent off Souness and managed to see a penalty when big Roy nudged wee Tel in '86 LFC?
or
Dallas - the best ref in the world - as crowned by the Scottish media only after he had sealed rfc CP title win ?
Tough call.
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Kevtic-
Gordon will tell you -bobby davidson.
or jpr gordon
or bob valentine
or mc ginlay
or
mc cluskey
dallas done us over in that game but there were far worse sinners than him.
Discybhoy/Leabgarrow-welcome to "The Aul' Hauns CSC."
noel.
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sanfran:
http://www.lequipe.fr/Football/20060210_091614Dev.html
heres the link - paste it into babelfish or translate yourself.
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Noel,
Nearly forgot Bobby Tait.
'97/8 (1 in a row)- played until Hearts equalised at Tynecastle (Feb).
then in the return game at CP blew up on 90 mins despite Hearts' time wasting tactics (Mar/Apr time)
Oh I can see that smug little face. And to make matters worst I heard he was a real true blue. Now guesting on Real Radio with Mc Ginlay!
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Noel, Thanks for the welcome!
Discy(still act like I'm 16)bhoy
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Thanks Noel, fancy a Werthers original.
Sorry Paul, I also have an impeccable source and it was nothing to do with Dr Jo. Stan played in a friendly against England, this showcased his talents and he was then taken on a tour of Europe along with Petkov
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Just another
Thanks for the link. Hmmmm. Looks like it could be on. Le Sucker
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With the greatest respect to your impeccable source leabgarrow, I have this one first hand from the very highest source:
The Bulgaria England game was reported at the time in the newspapers as being where Barnes got sight of Petrov.
Stillian Petrov was a Josef Venglos identified signing.
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Paul/Leagbarrow,
Does it really matter who spotted him?
I think not. The most important thing is that he is a celtic player and will continue to be for the foreseeable future.
Agree to disagree and move on chaps...
Discybhoy
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I think the biggest winner in Stan resigning will be Magic.
There link play between the 2 of them is absolutely superb to watch, they always seem to know where each other is.
It is also very noticable that they get on very well with each other by the reaction to goals scored.
Possibly something to do with common language??
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Paul67/Leagbarrow
I think Stan was first spotted by the guy the had the Burger / Kebab van down on Clyde St. Who saw his potential next is less important.
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So Paul...
Have any of your sources had anything to say on Le Guen joining our friends across the City?
By all accounts it seems to be a done deal now. If so, how do you plan to put a negative spin on the deal?
We all know that if Le Guen comes in and wins the league for Rangers next season that our board will face a lot of criticism for going for the so-called "cheap" or "unambitious" option in Gordon Strachan as manager, while David Murray has gone out and seems to have secured one of the most respected coaches in Europe.
Sorry to sound like a Daily Record journo here, but Le Guen to Ibrox would undoubtedly be a massive coup for Murray and Rangers.
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archiebhoysdad
I believe the reason magic and stan get on so well is that Petrov fully understood the initial difficulties the 2 poles would have arriving in a new country.Magic has thanked Stan for using so much of his own time helping both of them with simple things like how to go about buying a house and setting up bank accounts etc. Things the club should really be doing!
However, this is were the obvious bond began I believe.
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PAUL
I enjoy your site and find it mopst of the time very informative but I have to say that I felt I was back in the 'Red Top' business when I read recently your prediction " No Le Guen - Roberts instead" or something along those lines. Ther may have always been a uestion mark over Le Guen but there was never, never, a chance of Roberts being Plan B,C,W,orZ!
You entered the world of Keevins,Guidi, etc with that one.
Also Hartson will not be at C.P.next year - FACT.
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Paul,
Interesting that Petrov was a Venglos signing.
Along with Moracvik, Mjallby and Viduka, Dr Jo made a very significant contribution to this period of Celtic domination we have/are enjoying - even if the end of Dr Jo's season was so forgettable.
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king henrik ,
If le guen comes off , it will be a very costly coup for rangers.
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It's something which i have discussed with my brother in the past. (petrov being up front that is)
He's a wonderful finisher, he rarely misses an opportunity when in a decent position.
I don't think he'd be as good with his back to a player though, so i think he's best playing just off the striker between the midfield and striker that way his running can be most effective.
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celticlover,
Paul is a man with the great responsibility, of providing discussion fodder, for the many contributers to his site.
And he does this chore, extremely well.
Witness the growing popularity of His Blog.
So far, you are one of the Handful of readers, who have found fault,with ONE of his speculations.
And really, it is fair to say that his prediction was merely, speculation.
That being said, it borders on the persnickety, in choosing this mere speculative prognostication, as a subject for complaint.
Loosen up,man.
It was obvious to long time subscribers on this site, that Paul was engaging in what is known as, "swinging the lead"
How could anyone,make a firm assertion of just whom Mr. Murray , had in his Managerial sights?
Please take this friendly reply in the spirit that it is intended.
I do not wish to provoke insult or hurt your feelings.
I am writing this to a Fellow Celtic Supporter, of whom I have a very brotherly interest and deep respect.
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Kevtic
My favourite Bobby Tait, and symbiotically, favourite SFA moment, was the SFA's granting of Mr Tait's wish to referee his last ever game at Ibrox "coincidentally", in Rangers last home game of their 10 in a row to be season !
With Rangers drawing 1-1 with Kilmarnock, desperatley needing a win, he played about 50 minutes of injury time, only for Killie to run up the park in the 46th minute knocking one in to beat them 2-1!!
This game was given to Tait "for service to Scottish football". A crucial game in which there was no come back for a guy with nothing to lose and everything to win.
Two words for anyone moaning about Celtic being 13 points clear, Bobby Tait. Ok, another two. Henrik and Harald.
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King_H
Let’s wait till it's done.Then let's see what resources are made available to him and how they are utilized. Then let’s see where we go from there..... Coup or Crash? Too early to say, first it must transpire.
PS Glad to see you on the score sheet this weekend.
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Worked with Mr.Tait's brother over here in the Great white North. Tommy indicated that Bobby always tryed to screw Celtic at every opportunity.
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Rangers need a virtually total rebuild front to back, even if the get L
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Rangers need a virtually total rebuild front to back, even if the get Le Guin where are the millions going to come from (esp with possibly no champions league next season)?
(sorry re double post)
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tait - dob of the highest order - and thats not a term i use lightly
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Petrov is the person that has been told to help the eastern European player settle into Scotland. You are right, he does seem to get on well with magic it's obvious by the reaction to the 1st and 3rd goal which could leave a few folk with naughty minds thinking somethign more is going on between them ;)
It's great Stan is helping them out so much, he must help them because he knows what it's like to be a foreigner in the country not knowing the language.
I think the team spirit in Celtic is as good as it can get contrary to rumours we have heard all season.
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Hi nightshift as you seem conspicuous by your absence let me take this opportunity before bed of steering the good ship CQN out of those nasty shallow green seas and into lovely blue water :-)
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Good morning Ted-
glad to see someome with a bit of common sense at the helm...........
I take it you will be busy tonight watching your team
against my favourite other team ....... Villarreal .
noel.
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Edward it' 4.30 am are you picking up PLG from te airport?
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Noel morning, Let mestick the kettle on. Nippy this morn?
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Morning San Fran-
,tis a bit nippy out but not as chilly as it could be in El Madrigal this evening.......
I,ll have a coffee......
noel.
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San Fran-
you dried out yet ?
noel.
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Yeah it did not come to much in the end. It was hyped up Sunday as a big, big storm. It was a prolonged shower IMO. I telt the wife I used tae play fitba in worse....when I was still in nappies….wearing my Granda’s Pit Boots. She yawned and left the room.
I put in a drain last week. Seems to be the job.
Have a good one.
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Morning All,
glad to see Edward has had his medication this morning........... You had better get the prozac out after the game tonight........
Noel, it's a bit nippy here too, I complained about the Air-Con but they done nowt about it, then again it may have something to do with the hangover.............
Well It's my 1 yr. anniversary in S/pore today so I shall be having an early nite and be up aroun 3:30am to watch the Barca v Chelski match with my bottle of 100+ Singapore equivalent to Lucozade..........
Prediction 3-0 Villarreal.....
Hail Hail
SPC whoisgoingtothefactorytodealwithsomeissues
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Ok Noel tis all yours. Dock GavilGuy 20 bucks for being a no-show. I think these guys are taking advantage of your good nature.
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And yourself-
"I used tae play fitba in worse....when I was still in nappies….wearing my Granda’s Pit Boots."-good one.
I,m off to see some people who don,t think their team will win tonight.....
Not like them to agree with me.....
noel.
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Singapore Celt-
enjoy the beer....
Hail ! Hail !
noel.
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Kingoh, I've never understood why clubs don't employ someone to help foreign players arrange things like house purchases, bank accounts, plumbers and all the other little things that are often the proverbial nightmare to organise in a foreign country. I once read that with South American players in particular, this is the biggest mistake that British clubs make - the South Americans are used to having everything taken care of whilst they focus on their football. Perhaps this partly explains why our two Brazilians flopped so badly.
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Is that not what some of their agents (or agents companies) do?
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AAAAAARRRRRRGGGGGHHHH. How many times have I read ‘Dalgleish’ on here? It’s DALGLISH
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Hi Trusty
I am an avid reader of this site and enjoy it very much but I think it sometimes falls into being a newspaper with the very informative articles and comments posted and as such leaves itself open to constuctive criticism when it drops below the normal high standards it attains. The decision by Paul to go with a headline an article which suggested Roberts as the next Rangers manager was, for me, a 'Red Top' approach to sensentionalism or stupidity (we now even have adverts, which is not a problem for me, but it does bring the site closer to commercialism).
The fact that I might be one of the few to complain does not worry me a jot. As GB Shaw once said
" The reasonable man adjusts to the world around him, the unreasonable man expects the world to adjust for him. That is why progress is only achieved by the unreasonable man".
"Swinging the lead" is a well known method of working in the tabloid world when they cannot come up with a properly researched story. I just do not want the high standards on this site to drop.
Many in the media world were able to correctly predict that Le Guen was THE man, it's a pity that this Celtic site went with Roberts.
No hard feelings but don't knock the guys who do not want standards to drop.
Hail, Hail
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Celticlover,
You accuse Paul of speculation and then state that Paul Le Guen is going to Rangers, what do you base this fact on baring in mind this FACT has not been confirmed by either Rangers or LeGuen.
The newspapers have got most people talking about PLG as if he was Rangers saviour, while in fact he is relatively unproven. Jacques Santini built the Lyon team and Paul Le Guen continued that success as has Gérard Houllier (who was not an outstanding success at Liverpool).
PLG quit for no good reason at the end of last season and failed to secure a post for this campaign, keeping himself in the limelight by talking to Rangers has did him no harm (being linked with Real Madrid and his National team). The challenge at Rangers is very different from Lyon, he must build a team capable of being Champions in Scotland and challenging in Europe to be regardsed as successful
If this appointment was the panacea for Rangers and/or PLG it would have happened a long time ago. Rangers have a lame duck manager with rumours he is going to Sunderland and speculation that he will be replaced by LeGuen, hardly ideal set up as they prepare to play their most important game of a generation.
I don’t know if he was working on an inside tip (which are often less accurate than the Red Tops) but if Paul highlights the incongruence in the statements surreptitiously emanating from the MINT to the laptop loyal by running the Roberts idea up the flag pole IMO so be it.
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Aberdeen Review and a rant against Jose Mourinho posted on
www.thelordofthewing.blogspot.com
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Please correct me if I am wrong but wasn't the CQN stance simply that GR was "Plan B" in the event that PLG didn't take the job?
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Is the Chelsea - Barcelona game live on any TV channel tonight in Scotland? My paper had the huns on both ITV1 and ITV4. In England they're on ITV4 and Chelsea are on ITV1.
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Ian , I'm sure Paul, (or perhaps it was etims?) had said recently that Celtic were now employing people to do just that very job? (namely someone to help foreign players settle and arrange house purchases etc)
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Bryce
I feared this as soon as I knew that Tuesdays games were on ITV. So far as I know the prime channel chooses to show the main game (STV show Rankers, rest of UK Chelsea. The second UK channel shows the second game - Rankers - and they don't split the airwaves.
My son is very disappointed as he was looking forward to watching Barca.
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Paul, 10 years in the coaching staff deserves respect, especially as no gossip is loosely spoken. I don’t know who you know and likewise you with me, I think we'll leave it at that.
I've seen Dr Jo as a bit of a player ever since Doug Ellis stated on a radio interview that Dr Jo was Aston Villa's scout in Eastern Europe. This was not long after he left Celtic as manager and was supposed to be doing this role for Celtic. More than one paymaster (probably umpteen others) and no return for Celtic or Aston Villa for that matter, unless he is taking the credit for Baros move from Liverpool to Villa. 8-)
Petrov and Petkov were actively touted around Europe by their agent. If the first call by the agent was received by Dr Jo in the last days of his tenure, it does not constitute an id in my book. Both had trials at Celtic and it was touch and go whether any would be signed.
John Barnes after much deliberation (unlike video's of Scheidt) signed Stilian Petrov and mentioned the friendly with England as when he first caught his eye.
To be someone’s "prodigy", my perception is you have to have worked with them in some way.This may not be 100% literally correct, but is a common understanding.
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Bryce and Tooeys, if you have Sky you can watch it on one of the English ITV channels (I hope - that is my plan anyway)
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BBJ will leave at end of the season. His agent has already sounded out some clubs. Have this from a reliable source.
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Discybhoy, just saw your post and realised my folly.
Paul, I agree to disagree and look forward to your next post.
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Morning all
Was unable to reply to a few comments about teatime last night over the super pub debate. By the way by Superpub I mean one with a capacity in excess of 500.
The Amsterdam Arena - Separate Country, different rules/culture. Also the Arena is a multi-use facility with concerts & exhibitions etc. Therefore a greater demand for a superpub.
Frankiebhoy 4.53 I was at Fulham in the Cottage End by the Player's Tunnel and there was no drink available where I was. That day I was on the session as well so a few beers then wouldn't have gone a miss. I also didn't see any drink for sale in the concourse below the stand. If you got some then you lucky so and so...
At the WalkerBowl on the following Tuesday, there was certainly no drink in our end and yet there was certainly drink available in the Home End. Boss told me as he is a Foxes season ticket holder.
At Bolton, Anfield and St. James's Park there was no drink available in our end and yet it was clearly on the menus above the kiosks!!??!!!
Made me think that Strathclyde's finest had put a ban on the clubs selling it to us. I don't know for sure but will let you know what happens at the Ricoh.
The granting of licenses would be a problem IMO. If the Scottish Exec won't allow it at Murrayfield why would they allow it at CP? In this day and age when the Scottish Exec is attempting to associate sport with healthy living I wonder if that would be sending out the right message.
I just feel that a wider development of the surrounding area with community facilities would be more beneficial to the club. A mixed use development of residential and commercial facilities attached to any development with an arena for the proposed Commonwealth Games bid would prove far more beneficial to us. If PL just went to the City Council and said let me build 2 stand alone bars I don't think he would get very far in this climate.
If it was through this sort of redevelopment of the area, the chances of a superpub being put in place would be better.
Improvements to the London Road Supporters Club in terms of design and facilities could be a short term measure to improve access to a pint before and after the game.
Yours
Baldy
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Bryce and Tooeys, as timmy7 states if you have Sky you can manually program all the ITV variations as extra channels that you access via the services menu. A quick scoot on google should give you the procedure to set up each region (this is how I watch the bhoys in the CL down south, apart from this season of course!).
Cheers,
bdb
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Timmy7 (or anyone else)
Thanks.
Can I find the other regional ITV channels just going through Sky's channel list or do I have to do anything special to get them?
Sorry - at work - or would just go and look!
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Bryce and Tooeys, just checked and the updated sky listings show ITV London as being on channel 993 so should save you the need to manually set the channel up. Anyone confirm if this is the case?
bdb
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Paul67, I didn't want to post yesterday as I hope you will be able to reply.
I think you're very hasty with your assertations. 'Kenny Miller and Magic upfront', 'Hartson to be used sparingly'.
Strachan has vehemently supported Hartson and stressed numerous times he IS part of the plans.
Movement and pace are all weel and good but are not the sole attributes of a good striker! Think Harald Brattback! All the pace in the world and couldn't finish his dinner(at Celtic anyway).
John Hartson has one of the best eyes for goal in the business and thats a fact! He has been prolific for us and has scored more than Kenny Miller (arguably playing in a lesser league) this season.
This season his knockdowns and flick-ons have been sensational and its this style of play that allows the pacier players to run off- similar to Sutton in the days when he could thread a pass through the eye of a needle with his back to the goal for the on coming Larsson.
I just think Hatson has at least another season as top scorer (or second to Magic) in the SPL he has too much to offer to be dropped.
TBE.
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Baldymeister 10.15
At Fulham it wasn't that easy to find, I missed out the year before !
I was in the away stand behind the goal (Putney stand I believe). Plastic bottles of Fosters were on sale from a kiosk outside the stand on the left as you look at the pitch, ie the opposite side from the Cottage.
As you may recall it was a sunny day, views of the Thames, supping a few (overpriced of course) bottles of beer. Needless to say I missed the start of the second half but I did stay until the end !
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There was defo beer for sale at the Fulham game. I got some and was in the stand across from the Thames side.
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one minor problem with playing miller and magic up front. neither of them has hartson's aerial ability. playing with these two would make us pretty one-dimensional. all the opposition would need to do is sit deep and not leave any space behind so that we are forced to go wide and cross balls in that miller and zurawski are unlikely to win. just a theory...
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Celticlover,
I sometimes share your frustration with the type of Tabloid stuff Paul does on occasion, but in fairness he is trying to address the balance in terms of the favourable press the FOD is given versus the definitely unfair press that we get, so for that reason I think he is on the right tracks and he will get full my support.
Your quote from GB Shaw that 'progress is only achieved by the unreasonable man' Take it from me as a fellow Celtic man - that's absolute nonsense.
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Bryce Curdy
You will fnd how to put the additional channels on from here:
http://www.vowles-home.demon.co.uk/Sat/SkyITV.htm
Sorry cant do the link thing, i'm just a simple surveyor
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FB you lucky lucky lucky.......
It was a great day but at the kiosks underneath us there was none sadly.
As senior baldy was with me if it was obviously on sale then he would have found it. The day out in the Park and a few jars by the Tube station made for a great day out.
Thanks also must go to the lads who walked straight up to me and just handed myself and senior baldy a few cans as they couldn't drink them all by themselves on the walk up through the park. Made 'Mrs to be baldy' amazed to see such humour as we walked to the game.
B
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Bryce Curdy
Barcelona v. Chelsea game will be shown at 8.35 pm GMT+1 on polish Polsat Sport. I know you used to watch Celtic games there, that's why I mentioned about that tv channel.
Zbyszek Legia fan
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On this day of Euro football a little snippet in Daily Ireland.I know that Henrik was the leading European scorer in these isles but was surprised to learn that Mark Burchill was the scorer of the fastest hat trick --against Jeunesse DÈsch in 2000/2001(my swiss/german is non-existant but that name sounds like it might translate as Young Ladies of Esch)
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With regard to foreign players being helped to settle in-when the great Raphael Scheidt graced our jersey was there not a young lady assigned to'teach him English'only for it all to end in tears and tabloid expose?
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Druiddude
jeunesse means youthfully.
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Unlike Mark Burchill I think we safely say that whatever problems Mr Scheidt encountered with his young lady he never scored when he was with Celtic
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TBE-think Harald Brattbakk!
That's the first sensible thing I've read on this blog.
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There is currently a campaign instigated by well known Celtic fan and author, David Potter, amongst others, to have John Thompson inducted into Hampden's Hall of Fame.
They are looking for nominees for 2006. The E-Mail address to send your nomination to is;
HallOfFame@hampdenpark.co.uk.
A bit of a given.........but on the Website it states........
"Please remember to include the team or organisation to which your nominee is most associated." ????
pablophanque
No.1 This day in History
Where Do You Go To My Lovely - Peter Sarstedt. 1969
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Zbyszek--Thanks for the translation-perhaps the club were named after Juventus?
There was a report in a paper last week about Polish hooligans.The gist ot the article was that the German police are worried that there is no database for Polish hooligans so there is no way to screen them before they arrive in Germany.Some lurid details were given about a prearranged battle at night between polish and German gangs in some deserted spot on the German/Polish border.A hooligan leader from Legia ,aged 21 years named Malek was quoted.This article was lifted from a german football magazine titled Kicker (i believe).Do you have a substanial hooligan problem in Poland? Is there an ongoing problem with Germany following ww2 or has that been consigned to history? By the way thanks for the info on Arthur Boruc/Majic and the various translations you have provided.
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Pablo
Nomination sent
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Whether Le Guen comes or not (and I'm still dubious - look out for a Walter Smith/John Brown double act!), it will matter not a jot if he does not have substantial funds available to rebuild a failing squad.
And with a revaluation of Ibrox and Murray Park due this June, around £60million could be wiped off the Rangers balance sheet at a stroke.
The Mint has already cautioned Rangers fans that trading in the next six months may be difficult. So what is his masterplan? Do any insiders have a scooby-doo as to how Britain's greatest living entrepreneur can haul Scotland's second most important institution from the brink of insolvency towards the heady heights of European and world domination which such ubermenschen regard as their birthright?
Incidentally, any revaluation will also hit the MIH accounts hard, given that they were kept afloat by that £120million plus £68m of "goodwill" related to the transfer of RFC back into the group fold.
Anyone got a clue what's going on behind the smoke and mirrors?
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Petrov can't play wide right is a current Celtic myth.
How many times have we said Petrov's had a great game but how much better could he have been if he played in his natural position in the centre instead of wide right, acknowledging that he had a decent game wide right.
Wide right, especially in a Strachan team, gives him licence to roam and this suits Petrov and suits the team.
I think his natural position is central midfield but I don't believe his partnership with Lennon did him any favours. When playing with Lenny the opposition knew Petrov would be the attacking one and could concentrate on him solely making it harder for Petrov to escape the notices of the opposition.
He would be better in a partnership with Keane as the both of them could compliment each other with one attacking and one sitting dependant on who was in the better position to take advantage.
However, just because I believe that it is his best position in the centre it doesn't mean I object to him playing wide right as I believe he can do a job there dependant on who is playing in the other positions.
I actually believe at the moment our best midfield would be Petrov wide right, Maloney wide left with Keane and Naka in the middle. Naka needs to be in the middle and I can understand the arguments that he isn't strong enough yet but Naka wide right doesn't work for us in the majority of games. (Every away game and some home games)
Petrov up front is another matter and I don't believe it is a good position for him. I believe Saturday's expirement was more longer term than just trying to get the three points. I believe that given that Strachan's midfield is quite forward thinking then in Europe this pose us problems. Therefore when the need arises a midfield five might be deployed with Petrov being just behind the striker.
If we would have drawn 0-0 on Saturday everyone would have said Strachan's at fault for playing Stan up front and why did we buy Dublin. Petrov scores and everyone says it was a master stroke. Somewhere in between is true reflection early doors although Strachan must take credit for working at Petrov up front for weeks now.
Regarding this being the first time Petrov has played up front. Did he not play up front against Barca and Rangers when we had injury problems?
Also for those saying he cannot be moved from the centre. Remember a time when we were playing tremendous football against Anderlecht and Lyon at home and Petrov was actually playing wide left with Miller wide right. (Just thinking about it, did the team not go downhill after Miller announced his pre-contract with Man Utd)
Regarding Hartson then I know he has been looking at accomodation in Glasgow and has knocked back deals where the minimum lease agreement was longer than 6 months. Doesn't mean he is going but does mean that he thinks there is a strong possibility. Regarding him being used sparingly then I have no doubts that he will be if still here. Miller and Zurawski will be the front pairing and this season when everyone was fit the first choice pairing was Beattie and Magic and Hartson has only been playing as first choice since Beattie and/or Magic have been injured.
tonybhoy
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Pablo job done
Don't forget to vote at http://www.coca-colafootball.co.uk/
Currently still in 21st position
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Sky's channel 993 is ITV London
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Johnbhoy
Maybe Douglas Badder is going to sell off his planes to fund the Ibrox revolution!
Hail Hail
Martybhoy
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Anybody who cares...
Rangers game is on ITV Scotland and ITV4.
Barca game is on ITV London which is available in Scotland if you have Sky digital.
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Tonybhoy
Saw Petrov interviewed after the Dunfermline match. He was asked if he was unhappy about being asked to move to the right side once more. He said that that wasn't the case and that his instructions from Strachan were to roam wherever it hurt the opposition. That could sometimes find him right sometimes in the centre and sometimes as with his goal in the left striking position.
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Bryce,Tooeys and anyone else who's been wondering.
I can confirm the Barcelona v Chelsea game is on ITV1 London - Sky Channel 993.
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Friday, February 9, 2006
Paul67: “You can expect Clyde manager Graham Robert to take over at Ibrox, perhaps before the end of the season.”
Friday, February 10, 2006
Paul67: “We should be in no doubt that Rangers managerial targets will be as high quality as his footballer targets were in July. Graham Roberts is 'Plan B'.”
…or a couple of large spoonfuls of the “Big C” to stimulate debate on the Blog?
For the record my own uninformed, idle speculation remains that Billy Davies will be the next r@ngers manager. Or should that be Walter or Craig with Coisty and Durranty???
However, if the reports from France are indeed true and it is to be Paul Le Guen for the darkness, then I am relaxed. I would be more concerned about a committed and talented UK manager, or someone in the mould of Wim Jansen or Gus Hiddink, taking the tiller at SS Dignity.
Will Le Guen be a Santini at Spurs or an Arsene at Arsenal? I will speculate that unless PLG gets significant funds for several new and capable players then his appointment will result in an unsuccessful clash of cultures. And even with significant funds, that culture shock may be too much to overcome.
But to my main point: if Le Guen is green [sic] for go (or should that be an ambler gambler?), does this signal that a major new financial investment is coming into r@ngers? It doesn’t seem to make much business sense, but this is Scotland and about the preservation of the establishment club and all that that entails.
Will Celtic need to respond to meet the challenge of ‘New R@ngers’?
Or is it idle speculation and minted spin until we actually see what happens?
I blame New Labour ;-)
Chris
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Excellent point JohnBhoy - how did you know about the re-evaluation in June? I'm sure a few of us surveyors will be looking to see what's made of it.
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Ottokaiser,
The Rangers accounts say the stadium valuation has to be revisited every three years, and the last one was on June 2003. It's all there in black and white... if you can read the VERY small writing.
(:-0)
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Has anyone seen the picture of Charlie Mulgrew on the offeeshal Celtic website?
Bloody hell - with hands that size he should be a goalie!!!!!!!!!!!
Guigsy
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IMHO we have nothing to fear from the appointment of PLG at Ibrox. The pressure will all be
on him to prove himself and same goes for any signings he makes. What he has achieved in the
past is exactly that, HIS PAST. There is no guarantee comes with Le Guen. He will be dealing
with a completely new set of circumstances for the first time in his career. Let's wait and see
what his budget is to be. For this, as Paul alludes to, is a better indicator of the challenge we will
face than solely the appointment of a new manager.
Assuming GS goes on to win the league from this position and hopefully the CIS cup also. We will
be the ones in a commanding position and I repeat the pressure will all be on Le Guen for next season.
Also this is now the time to get solidly behind GS. If he delivers us a double in spite of some of the deranged
ramblings of the media and some of our own fans. Then he will have shown the commitment to
our cause and we as fans should start to reciprocate this by showing our support for him.
I can see the headlines already, " Strachan mauls the Gaul".
Hail, Hail
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Chairbhoy
I do accuse Paul of not only speculation but speculation of the "Ronaldo to Rangers " type, i.e absolute bunkum!
I do not speculate on Le Guen (I listened to his second in command's best friend tell me so!). If it turns out not to be the case then hang me out to dry but also give a "y.w.r" comment if it is a fact.
BTW - I have made no comment on whether he will be good or bad for Rangers - that is speculation!
Molesrush:
This what Paul said:
Thursday, February 09, 2006
"Roberts poised to take over from McLeish
You can expect Clyde manager Graham Robert to take over at Ibrox, perhaps before the end of the season."
This is not an anti Paul comment, it is only a request that Paul remains vigilant against the temptations which are everywhere within the media world. The quality press editors demand substantiated reports not whimsical ones. They are the prerogative of the Red Tops.
Re, the comment about GB Shaw's view on life may I suggest a few moments reading "Let The People Think" by Bertrand Russell and then some contemplation.
Hail,Hail
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It was my understanding that the RICS criteria concerning property valuation was not to change until 2007, therefore the mints valuation would not be affected until the next valuation period affected by these changes - 2009
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The idea of a singing section at the stadium is a great one. The suggestions on here yesterday by the likes of Rumoid and Martinobhoy were great. Does anyone remember that some Barça fans were trying to get people more animated a few years ago in the Camp Nou and they had a section called Almogávares??? I don´t know if it was successful or if there are any ideas that we can transport from there to Ice Breaker Scotland.
We definitely need new songs for the new heroes. Maybe we can adapt a few tunes from our rich repertoire and dedicate them to the new lhads.
For example
Harry - Harry, Harry - Harry,
Heh ey ey Harry Hood
change to
NAKA-MURA..........NAKA-MURA
HEH EH EH NAKA-MURA
or
To the rising crescendo around the stadium of
OOOOOOOH Dixie, Dixie.
Dixie, Dixie, Dixie, Dixie,
Dixie Deans
Change to OOOOOOOH SHAUN MALONEY
SHAUNY, SHAUNY, SHAUNY, SHAUNY, MA-LO-NEY
To the famous whistled tune in Bridge over the river kwai.
LENNON, THE CAPTAIN OF OUR TEAM,
LENNON, OUR CAPTAIN IN THE GREEN,
LENNY, OUR DEAR OLD LENNY, OUR DEAR OLD CAPTAIN IN THE GREEN.
To the sound of Rock 'n' Roll parts 1 or 2
ROCKIN' ROY HEH,
ROCKIN' ROY,
ROCKIN' ROY HEH,
ROCKIN' ROY,
The "you're fourth in the SPL" chant made it so why not!!
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Rintimtim,
First the Celtic fans get pelters for singing Irish songs, now you want to have us adapting Gary Glitter chants!
(;-0)
How about, to the theme tune of the cartoon Stop The Pigeon:
"Nakamura, Nakamura, Nakamura, Nakamura, Nakamura, Nakamura, Nakamura, Wow!"
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The Paul Le Goon - Graham roberts debate - last night on radio phone in Spewan cameroon Roberts phoned up and during the convo stated he had been offered a lift in a private jet to go and see the game. Coincedence who owns private jets in his neck of the woods. Just a thought.
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apparently it is all kicking off in villareal in the last hour. riot polis vs 200 Rangers fans. (report from Clyde via KDS)
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Celticlover,
Obviously I can’t speak for Paul and he was unequivocal about his expectation that Roberts would replace ECK I’m sure if he wants to he’ll reply.
I have two bug bears, the fact that MINT can nonchalantly churn out (dis)information and it is excepted and spun to maximum effect, if (as in the majority of cases), the reports turn out to be inaccurate the matter is quietly dropped!
Secondly the way it is excepted by people who should know better i.e. By A McLeish who should walk away and keep some dignity, the broadsheets and Celtic fans who should be able to see through this.
If you are saying that you have confirmation that Paul Le Guen will be appointed Rangers manager so be it – apologies for believing you were acting on press speculation!
I'll believe it when I see him in the Dug oot.
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new article posted.
Sorry, not had a chance to read CQN today.
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Paul67 mentioned yesterday on CQN that he has some commitments that won't give him much time to follow CQN this week, so he likely wont be able to post much, if any.
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I've got a big confession to make. I've never heard of Paul le Guen. Or rather before I stumbled across this blog in the summer I'd never heard of him. I've been actively watching football now for 35 or 36 years and in that time the name Paul le Guen never registered. This might be down to general ignorance, but in my defence I was a big fan of Lacombe, the general manager of Lyon, in his playing days and I was quite impressed by the Lyon team he helped build last time we played them. But le Guen? Never registered. Still, I guess that's what wikipedia is for. It could be that he's as good as people think/fear, but for me it's a case of "Sorry, never heard of him", which is the response any jubilant hun is going to get from me. Guess it'll make a nice change from going up to Jambos and saying "I haven't been following the football lately. Are you guys still top of the league?" (try it, you'll like it)
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1st time poster - some great stuff on here, makes my working day just about bearable.
