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Mibbes aye,mibbes naw
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Hope you are right!
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Apologies for being absent today. I am busy on a important matter this week and will unfortunately be unable to get involved in any conversations.
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Paul67 I suggested Kenny Miller will continue to play mid field (as he does now for Wolves) to allow Stan The Striker to play upfront.
Maybe you could see that it was half in jest.....but it was also half serious.
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Doah! Nice dodge Paul.
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Petrov is a common 'value' bet for me to score first goal. Usually about 12-1. Has a bit of a striker's instinct and is an intelligent footballer, passing and then moving to create space in and around the box.
Tactically it was a great move by Strachan and he has to be applauded for it.
I still have my doubts re Miller in that I think he is a better counter-attacking player. Pace is always a huge asset for a striker though.
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Not meaning to split hairs but I'm pretty sure Petrov was a Dalgleish / Barnes signing not Dr Jo.
One thing I have been pleased about is the lack of moaning by Petrov and fans about him 'playing out of position' either on right midfield or an impromptu appearance up front. I've always felt that Petrov plays well on the right of midfield with a good RB allowing him to move inside at times.
Personally, I would rather we kept Big John next season rather than sell him on as some seem to be advocating of late - he offers us something none of oue other strikers can
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On another note, can we cut out this nonsense about first poster? It's completely childish and you will have noticed that i didn't do somersaults over it.
Right, where's my garland gone?
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Petrov WAS signed by Dalgleish and barnes and their subsequent treatment of the lad almost put him in the nuthouse.
noel.
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The_ball_is_round_to_go_around
Yes Petrov was a Dalgleish / Barnes signing not Dr Jo but he was the one who I.D. him and the Dalgleish / Barnes followed up Dr. Jo's lead. One of my big regrets was that we did not have Dr. Jo for longer.
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Well done to somebody for getting FIRST something or other.........
noel.
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Hi Paul,
You say that Mr Hartson will be used sparingly next season that may be so but I don't think it will be with Celtic.
Molerus :- I have often disagreed with Paul (in what I hope is a friendly way) over his generational prediction, one of the problems is that it's so hard to define, but much as your team are the better of the two at present I would be inclined to agree, with those statistics we are in the middle of a generation of domination, Paul was right but about the wrong team :-)
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good on WGS for having the strength to play/think `outside the box' but I wonder what would have happened if we had stuck away the three/four clear chances we had in the first half?
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Hartson is history,the future is players who can be bothered to run
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As much as Dr Jo did some good things and signed some good (and some awfully good) players, he also brought in Scott Marshall on loan!
Imagine replacing Dr Jo with John Barnes. The equivalent of replacing MON with Steve McMananman
Finally, can we bring back Davie Hay please, I really liked him
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You always have to look at Hartson and say: Ok, he doesn't offer movement or much workrate but if he was out the team it would be difficult to get someone in who would score as many.
However if you look at it from a different perspective it may be the case that, by replacing Hartson with a striker who doesn't score as many in a season, the team overall may actually score more goals (and possibly concede less).
Hartson's goal tally although excellent isn't outstanding in the way Larsson's was. I can see of the current squad Beattie and Zurawski being on the same level in terms of goals in the same amount of games in a season.
That being said, Hartson offers the team something different. While many will see him as one dimentional that dimention is one we would not have without him.
The thing that bothers me at present is I do not see any form of partnership with Hartson and Magic... I think Hartson and Miller would work and also Miller and Zurawski, even Miller/Zurawski and Beattie but for some reason Magic and BBJ seem as if they are playing individually. Zurawski is often out wide when BBJ tries to head it down to him and when Magic breaks through he has no support. To play with Hartson I think you have to be a more direct player; Magic likes come back and work for the ball if he's not getting the supply he needs.
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Dr jo did not id Stan petrov. Stan and Martin Petkov were touted around Europe by their agent, both had trials at Celtic and Olympiakos amongst others.
Stan had already caught John Barnes eye in a friendly between Bulgaria and England.
I missed the game on Saturday, away celebrating the big 40 (although I'm clinging onto my 30's until Wednesday). sounds as though it was a good performance. I saw goals on CNN, no other Scottish result was mentioned. Another 3 points and another game forward towards the title.
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Paul67 re: BBJ being used sparingly, would it not be better to sell (asset management) and use Dion sparingly? My thought process here is if our go-forward MO is mobility then a target man will always be a rescue player. If that is the case the best value for money player should be retained (cost/mins played).
I would support this If and only if Dion can show us he can perform to the same level as BBJ. I think I would try and give him a run to see what he has in that old locker.
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Kojo
Regarding McManus, I think you enlightened us a week or so back as to him resigning and that we should not be concerned thank you for doing so.
As for our last debate `If you know your History'
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Just want to clarify that I meant I'd like to bring back Davie Hay in a scouting role, a job he did so well under TB and Wim.
Edward - I would suggest that Rangers generation of dominance ended the day MON walked into Parkhead - the respective points totals (and OF results) over the subsequent 6 seasons would indicate a fair gap between the two sides in terms of league perfomances.
But for 3 more goals at the right time Celtic would now be on the road to 6 in-a-row (I know, ifs and buts, ifs and buts).
I don't subscribe to the generation of dominance theory, but Mr Murray will really need to pull a rather large financial rabbit out the hat to give his new manager a significant transfer kitty - the saleable assets down govan way are pretty limited don;t you agree?
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I,m not too keen on slagging off John Hartsons mobility-
....... he seems to do ok in the bedroom department.......
On the same subject here is Pablophanques version of how to spot a millionaire.......
noel.
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leabgarrow
I'm always happy to stand corrected (altough I think I'm right on this one).
I remember Stan and Martin Petkov being over here, given the way M. Petrov is playing now for Ath. Madrid it is a pitty we didn't get him to.
I remember John Barnes getting a letter from the then England manager kevin Keegan to support Petrov getting a visa based on the Bulgaria and England.
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Anybody got any idea why on Sat Roy K. seemed to be sporting a retro George Connolly haircut?
Have they started selling plastic wigs yet?
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To be honest i think playing petrov up front would be a good idea. however look at the way he is playing at the moment and you will see ther is no need to change him, if you wer to play him up front who would you move about or put in his place ???????
Hail Hail
Roach
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Wouldn't be surprised if BBJ was "rested" after the league is won and WGS experimented with only 1 up front, but with either Stan, Naka or Wee Shaun playing in the hole behind Magic.
We seemed to be able to pull the Aberdeen defence out of position easier after BBJ went off and some of that is because Stan is prepared to drop deeper for the ball than BBJ so pulling their defence out and creating space for others, ie Magic, in behind.
Just a thought!!
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My dear friend, CelticBhoy,
Thank you for your thoughtful reminder.
In respect to our past exchange on the wisdom or folly in the reliance of Past Historical Events...........
Fuggggggettttttttabbbbbboutit....
I am too INURED, in my steadfast beliefs,in that respect,to indulge in a fair "Thrust and Parry".
The UPSHOT, is therefore.....
A, big fat, MOOT Conclusion!
Sir Paul.....
Your point concerning the STARTLING ( to some! to some!) introduction of Mr.Petrov, by The Celtic Manager, to the ARCANE ROLE of the STRIKER,........ was indeed, an Introduction Made in HEAVEN.
Stan took to his new berth, like the Proverbial.
"WILL THE REAL STAN PETROV........ PLEASE STAND UP?"
Not such a Jocular Question, as would appear, at first BLUSH.....HMMMMMMM?
I must say that it Only HAMMERS HOME our Mutual Conviction, that MR. GORDON STRACHAN is INDEED an
ASTONISHING INNOVATOR and a TECHNICAL SVENGALI.....
Hail! Hail!
Kojo.
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celticbhoy
I think you were right about Martin Petkov being over here ate the same time as Stan but I don't think it is the same guy who is playing so well for Athletico
Maybe wrong (and if I am I apologise) but I think Petkov went to Germany and don't know where after that.
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I'd like to see us play a more unconventional formation along the lines of 4-2-3-1, especially if we are gonna keep Captain Neil on for another season.
Some along the lines of...
Boruc
Wilson Balde AN Other AN Other
Keane Lennon
Naka Stan Maloney
Magic
with an abundance of riches on the bench waiting to come on and change the game! (McGeady, Beattie, Miller, Hartson, Pearson etc...)
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shamrock diary
Most likey you are right, I just wonder if anyone out there can help.
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My dear friend, The_ Ball_ is, etc.,
As the months Peel Away.... you will become aware.....
That GORDON STRACHAN'S ULTIMATE CELTIC TEAM FORMATION ...Is...
4-2-4.
Why do you think, the CELTIC MANAGER, is CONTINUOUSLY ASCERTAINING the VERSATILITY of his Players??
Added to the Fact, that he is busily, in the PROCESS, of Securing 3 Viable Performers for Each PLAYING POSITION?
Yes, I have been Informed, that this is his VISION for the " SUMMER OF CELTIC"( Thanks Boss....... for that one!)
An EXCITING ONE TOUCH GROUP OF CELTIC PERFORMERS, who WILL SIMPLY SWEEP aside all and SUNDRY.......!!
STAY TUNED, guys...
Hail! Hail!
Kojo.
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Paul67
I expec6t JH will not even be at the club next season and it does not make sense to have one of our highest earnest used sparingly.
Darryl King tonight on Clyde, when questioned by a Celtic fan about the possibilty of trouble at the Villarreal game, and in the town, that it was outrageous to say this about the supporters of our rivals.Remember he said the riot in Vigo airport caused by the Celtic support.Add the Evening Times to the list of boycotted publications.I have said before this guy cannot and does not even attempt to hide his predjudice and his loyalties.
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The_ball_is_round_to_go_around said…
The formation of 4-2-3-1 is played by a lot of Spanish teams i.e. real Madrid it depends on the overlapping fullbacks, plus a target man or someone who can hold the ball up such as Hartson.
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the_ball_is_round_to_go_round,
I am not sure about the formation that you have suggested (See above), and there is a flaw who would be the an other. I for one would make sure that telfer certainly wasnt ther as on sat the man was strugling to string a short pass together never mind the long balls plus i doubt that WGS would change the well tried and tested 4-4-2 formation. All the same a good point keep them up :o)
HAIL HAIL
ROACH
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Theballisround.... Whether the last generation ended when you say I'm not sure, but it does show just what you can do with figures, right now both sides can claim a roughly 66% share of the titles depending on when you start. I do think a fair bit of spending money will be made available to Mr Le Guin when the last i is dotted and t crossed. as you say money making options seem quite limited but I do think the money will be found. I've heard a few folk say they aren't too worried about him coming to Ibrox, being honest would those folk have the same opinion of him had he been appointed at Celtic Park?
btw without trying to boast I'd like to point out that I've been saying Mr Le Guin would be at Ibrox since Oct/Nov (if I got it right more often I would be boasting, but I'll claim prescience in this one)
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Noel5.59pm.
Great photo.So which one was the millionaire.
On Saturday having decided we were getting no return from BBJ, WGS decided to change things.
We watched him prior to the change having a really long discussion with the other coaches, before deciding to go with Stan up front.
It worked great.
However he had no other viable alternative other than Dublin who is the same type of player as BBJ, which shows exactly why he has added Kenny Miller to the pool.The need for further variation.
I don't believe he has finished recruiting Strikers.
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Martin Petrov was not the player who came over on loan with Stan. It was Milan Petkov, a winger in the same CSKA side as our Petrov. However, I do agree.....I'd take Martin Petrov on our left flank any day.
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Superb piece on etims about David Murray`s stewardship of Rangers and the abject failure of the press to hold him to account.A well known tale on this site I agree but to see it laid out from start to finish is devastating
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Watched Saturdays game again.
you could maybe have seen our formation and tactics for away games in europe next year.
magic, up front with supporting midfield players, 3 in central midfield ensuring that we have a solid base, when defending.
it showed that keane and lennon can play in same team, lennon covering and keane breaking forward, haven't seen the man in attacking positions and as many shots on goals for years. just shows what a player he is, and how good he was in his hey day. still the man, in many ways.
it shows that Gordon can play a variety of formations/tactics with options. kenny miller, craig beattie, aideninho mcgeady to come into squad.
an excellent performance all round.
a couple of signings in summer, and again we'll still be the TEAM to beat. Yes Ra@@@ers will strengthen, but we will have a settled side, and whom have played together for a year, and the young players will have more confidence being regulars in the first team.
I really do feel Keano has brought a winning mentality to team, BIG time player, who i feel has driven the team forward, since becoming fully fit. The guys a WINNER. And constructive criticism during games, essentially to make the younger players better in the future.
Just my opinion.
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Heraldo-
My opinion as well.
Keane didn,t just come here to win the SPL-He is here to give us the extra push we WILL need next season in The Champions League.
JonG-
Someone sent me this photo today.
The caption says Celtic Park 1933-is that your car outside....?
:P
noel.
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Kojo
If you look at the way the team have being playing for most of the season you'll find it's been 4-2-4 at least at some points in the games.
To me it looks like when attacking WGS wants both Maloney and Nakamura or one of to play wide just behind the strikers and the full-backs to push up; when defending Maloney and Naka are wide midfielders and the full backs in a flat back four.
At the weekend when Hartson came off I don't believe Petrov moved up front. At least for the first 10 minutes anyway he seemed to play as a (very) attacking midfield player in a midfield five with Zurawski up front himself a lot - with Petrov's movement this allowed him to be up front when attacking and track back when not.
That's my perspective on it anyway.
I still don't think (long-term) Keane and Lennon in the same team will work, not in a 4-4-2 anyway. Not because they are both defensive players as Keane is more than capable of creating and scoring but because in a 4-4-2 I don't think you need a holding midfielder, not in the SPL anyway. In a 3-5-2 or against tough European competition it's important to have someone soley concentrating on sweeping up in midfield, in the SPL it only slows us down and makes us less mobile. Keane can do both as can Petrov to an extent. IMO two box-to-box midfielders is the way to go in a 4-4-2.
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*both being attacking and defending
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CQN quiztime.
Name 3 scots managers who have managed teams against Celtic in euro competition.
Answers around 10 unless the auld hauns get there first !
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Not mine Noel...mine was green.
Malone19.
Spot on.
Stan worked himself into the forward role and did indeed spend the first few minutes getting forward in support of Magic.
Roy Keane though was able to push right up by Lennon staying in the holding role.
Not saying NL should remain after the season ends but RK wouldn't be able to make such runs without adequate cover behind him.
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JonG
Good point, especially if we continue to play very attack minded wide players.
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skelly2
Thanks.
EdwardUrsus
Just how long is a generation?
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Malone19
I agree with some of your points.
I do believe that Neil Lennon, will be here next year.
Gordons 4-4-2 can be changed to a variety of formations all in the one game. In Europe away we could be 4-5-1 defending and 4-3-3 attacking with 3 central midfield players and the wide players supporting Magic.
The formation when naka came on for example, with stan just off magic, but dropping into midfield when defending.
Flexibility is the key, especially in Europe.
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ST Anthony-
The ex-Newcastle manager- with Blackburn
is one.
noel.
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St Anthony
That question was in the half time quiz from Saturday's program....
And I thought you made the questions up yourself, Unless you write it for the match program??
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Shankly is another....
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NEWS FLASH..........
Rangers win in spain!
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Are two of the managers Stewart Baxter (?) and the formerly mooustachioed fomerly employed former manager of you know who?
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My dear friend, Malone19,
Your comment that you noticed, that the Celtic Manager, is employing the STORIED HUNGARIAN... 4-2-4 Formation, from time to time, during some games..... speaks VOLUMES for the WEALTH of YOUR SOCCER TECHNICAL Knowledge.....
I must confess, at this Juncture....that personally speaking, I myself am sadly Lacking in this ESOTERIC ART!
What I have passed on Today, is info. that has been passed on to me...by one who knows.....
However, round about the 3rd or 4th.Celtic game of this season....... I was viewing that particular unfolding game, in the Company of the THREE AMIGOS........
They were constantly drawing my attention to the ebb and flow of MR. STRACHAN'S TEAM TACTICS.....
And, EXACTLY as you have observed........ it was pointed out to me, in that particular game....... the Celtic Manager was EMPLOYING ......4-2-4 on several occasions.....during the contest....
Mr. STRACHAN is NO MEAN SOCCER TACTICIAN...... The THREE AMIGOS made that VERY CLEAR to me... those many MONTHS AGO......
And their OBSERVATIONAL OPINION of the CELTIC MANAGER has been THOROUGHLY VINDICATED........ Remember, this was told to me... at the Initial Uptake of the STRACHAN INCUMBENCY!
And it has been VERIFIED IN SPADES!
Knowing this, I have always been confident in GORDON'S ABILITY to Turn the CELTIC SHIP,which at that time was dangerously heading for the Iceberg......
But my confidence was CAUTIONED by the POSSIBILITY that the CELTIC FAITHFUL would SOUR ON GORDON'S AFFILIATION WITH THE CELTIC CAUSE.... BEFORE he had a CHANCE TO CONVINCE The DOUBTFUL DOUBTERS......
Thankfully, that is all in the Past...
Mr. Strachan has swept away his Cavilers and Thomasinas..... were they belong...in the Dustbin of Lost CAUSES.
As I Have said.........
We are Coursing, "Full Speed Ahead".......
Destination??
"THE SUMMER OF CELTIC"
Prepare to sit back an ENJOY!
Hail! Hail!
Kojo.
Nota Bene:
The "THREE AMIGOS" referred to above are NOT Los INFIELS.....
That is a collective title ,Fargo has given to His Ex- Celtic Player, Friends.
Euro...... Here come the CELT'S!
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st.anthony..jinky is correct, that question was in Saturday's programme however the question indicated that there were only 2 Scottish managers. I think that there may have been 4 in fact and I would say that Joe Gilroy, ex Clyde, managed Valur Reykjavik in 1975 when we beat them 9-0 on aggregate.
Didn't Inter Cable Tel have a Scotsman in charge too?
Gordon.
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Jim Blyth?
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No George Wood, the other hopeless one-cap-wonder Scottish keeper from that era. Wonder where Blyth is now?!?
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Yeah I know, that's why I added some exclamation marks in with the question marks:-)
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No you didn,t.........
noel.diveincsc.
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skelly, you are right, milan not martin Petkov. no idea where he is now. Celticbhoy, Dr jo was not involved.
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Druiddude/Dontbrattbackinanger/Rioskorrie/Spikeysauldman..thanks for you postings earlier today about Sarsfield.
Gordon.
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In the long run I would love to see us playing a 4-3-3 the way Barca and a few others in Europe do.
One focal striker (likely Maciej) with two wide who drift between the front and midfield. At the moment we would have a choice of Nakamura, Maloney or McGeady in these roles.
What you do need for this to work however is a very mobile middle three who can all tackle and pass the ball. With Keane holding we currently have Pearson and Petrov who fit this mould.
However the real area we would need to bolster to even consider this formation would be the full backs. They are required to be almost perfect readers of the game as they will need to support midfield when the wide forwards push up, but be constantly ready to cover their space. Wilson once he's on the right perhaps, but another couple brought in the summer wouldn't go amiss.
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I just heard from a very good source
that Le Guen,murray,big eck,martin bain
and wee barry held a secret meeting on
Fraggle Rock this afternoon......
:P
noel.
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RE the quiz: Ivan Golac managed dundee utd and Partizan Belgrade (still one of the most exhilirating games I've been to!)
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CelticBhoy,
A generation is roughly twenty years.
The time it takes one genratation to father the next.
I go with then rule that 'my generation' is anybody born ten years either side of myself. On the whole that tends to work quite well.
Twenty years of dominance is highly unlikely, although another 9 in a row would be nice.
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Just watched the first half of Wigan - Manure.
Observations: Wigan fans singing the Billy Boys (paraphrased I assume). When we couple this to Liverpools adaptation of "The streets of Anfield Road", then there is virtually no chance that UEFA will ever prosecute a set of fans who apparently sing similar ditties - even if the words are different. Let's face it would you expect a Belgian / Swiss / Italian observer to understand the finer points of a song from the terraces.
It will never happen.
In my opinion, parochial Scottish legislation assists in perpetuating Sectarianism. Why not try ignoring it or laughing it off?
And when they're at it they should reconsider their attitudes to sex, drugs and rock'n'roll.
With a bit of French laissez-faire and a sprinkling of Dutch liberalism Scottish football could be so much better.
Maybe then we could concentrate on the football.
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The ball is round/leagarrow, as CelticBhoy said, I also thought Petrov was a Barnes signing, though I recently discovered (from an impeccable source) that he was lined up by Dr Jo.
CelticBhoy, ‘negos’ are underway with McManus, a deal is expected to be announced soon.
Kojo, Gordon Strachan has those precious two components that a successful manager needs at Celtic.
He will do very well next season in Europe.
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Celticbhoy :- For the purposes of debate I would say 15 years, with domination consisting of 11 + titles plus a good hall of cups in that period, different trophy haul but from a previous posting I know that under the parameters I've set it's very rarely done.
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Shocked and Stunned. paul67 Lazy Journos?
I read in the Ev. Times That PLG is coming to Rangers and it is all over the ‘FRONT PAGES” in France!!!!
However after looking at Le Monde front and back pages and L’Equipe (Sports paper) neither carry the story on the FRONT PAGE or in fact on any page. I also checked out Yahoo France. Guess what? On the sport section it did not make Les Top des articles……Weird.
I guess I don’t have that same journalistic vigour to get to the truth as the venerable Darrell Ming(ing) as I failed to uncover the same data he was so easily able to get his hands on. Hats off to the better man ……..Still Darrell I wonder what pages it was splashed over En France though. Could you help if you are reading?
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As some of you noted, that quiz question was in the programme on Saturday, however they only mentioned 2 and a discussion ensued on our bus.
As always, Gordon has stolen my thunder with the Joe Gilroy answer from Valur in 1975. Thought that was a toughie.
George Wood is also correct so that goes to show you what I know !
So the answer was 4 rather than 3.
Gordon....Joe Gilroy ? Are you a mindreader ?
More fun and mirth next Monday.
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SanFran_Tic
If you log onto NewsNow and type "Guen" in their search engine, there are links to L'Equipe, and various other French and Italian news sources from this morning on le Guen and Rangers. My French is rusty and my Italian virtually non-existent, but they do seem to be saying he is joining them.
I just think, another poor B****** conned by Murray. Didn't L'Equipe once call Rangers "the stupidest team in Europe"?
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st.anthony...I posted a wee story on here a few months ago that I was at the game in Iceland in 1975.
There weren't many Celtic fans there and after the game Johannes Edvaldsson invited us back to a nightclub where most of the Celtic players were having a few drinks. Joe Gilroy was there too and that is why I knew the answer.
Gordon.
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I've just reread the quiz question - Ivan Golac isn't Scottish, not even an East coaster.
DOH!
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OG in injury time..ManU win.
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Good news on McManus. Caldwell in/McManus out wouldn't have been progress.
McManus has shown this season he can live with the pressure of being a Celtic player. Something Caldwell will have to learn/deal with next season.
McManus next to a good cenre half, like Balde, and with the leadership of Keane, to learn from will hopefully go on improving his overall game.
However I would still say he has to be Young Player of the Year!
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thanks for not drawing attention to my mistake and highlighting how much of a numpty knacker my answer made me look
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Excuse me Paul!
I think you'll find I posted the very point "Stan is so bad at the moment, why don't we just play him up front where he can't hide" around the 12,000 mark.
Maybe it got lost when the blog was broke!!
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Excuse me Paul,
While excepting the fact that I didn’t advocate Stan as CF, but since Roy Keane’s arrival was first confirmed, I thought that Petrov is best utilised in a forward position.
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Kevtic-
Your 1st Celtic v rangers game-
Murdo ran nearly the length of the pitch to score the winner-from a pass from Charlie Nicholas.
I was there and Johnbhoy too.
davie syme doesn't look too happy-GOOD !
noel.
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Chairbhoy
I was having a laugh, but by weight of evidence, you Sir, have a point!
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FirsbyHoop
All I get in l'Equipe is a story from December linking PLG and Rangers. If it is not to much trouble can you post what you see so's a kin read it.
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Chairbhoy, I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt, though I am not sure you would have put five players behind that three man midfield....
Ritchie, I missed the day we hit 12,000, must have been then afterall, forget this having a laugh nonsense.
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Noel,
That picture was taken at Ibrox when Murdo McLeod scored the equaliser in the 4-4 draw.
Still couldn't believe we drew that game after being 3-1 up!
Thought the auld hand would know that!!
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Discybhoy-
you are correct.
The caption with the photo gives it as the game I mentioned but Peter Grant never played in that one.
Apologies.
noel.
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Noel, no apology asked for required sir.
However I am beginning to think you aren't the only auld hand here......
Cheers
Discy(help the aged)bhoy
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Richie, Paul,
Thanks for given me the benefit of the CONSIDERABLE doubt.
Yet my point at the time was that Petrov could comfortably play "Paul Sco;es" role that was so effective in the best Man U side of the last 30 years.
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Cheers Noel
Murdo scored a few crackers against them. Including the 8th in 4-4 match at matchbrox (as pictured).
Anyway Syme or Dallas - who was the worst?
Syme - the trouser dropping rfc sth - who sent off Souness and managed to see a penalty when big Roy nudged wee Tel in '86 LFC?
or
Dallas - the best ref in the world - as crowned by the Scottish media only after he had sealed rfc CP title win ?
Tough call.
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Kevtic-
Gordon will tell you -bobby davidson.
or jpr gordon
or bob valentine
or mc ginlay
or
mc cluskey
dallas done us over in that game but there were far worse sinners than him.
Discybhoy/Leabgarrow-welcome to "The Aul' Hauns CSC."
noel.
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sanfran:
http://www.lequipe.fr/Football/20060210_091614Dev.html
heres the link - paste it into babelfish or translate yourself.
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Noel,
Nearly forgot Bobby Tait.
'97/8 (1 in a row)- played until Hearts equalised at Tynecastle (Feb).
then in the return game at CP blew up on 90 mins despite Hearts' time wasting tactics (Mar/Apr time)
Oh I can see that smug little face. And to make matters worst I heard he was a real true blue. Now guesting on Real Radio with Mc Ginlay!
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Noel, Thanks for the welcome!
Discy(still act like I'm 16)bhoy
