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Lets press home that avantage
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Excellent article, Paul.
G.O.D. here we come.
My first first, by the by.
Ya Dancer CSC
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good analysis Paul67, only thing that could scupper it though is if Murray sells the club to a very wealthy person who is very willing to dip into his large pocket.
lets hope thats not the case!
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as compelling as the article is, this advantage needs to be used as a platform for european success it would be small minded to just think about being better than them, we have always been a bigger team than them and always will be so europe is our promised land!
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I am waiting for the Le Guen experiment to fail before I get exited.
Finances did not stop the likes of Porto.
A premiership job for Le Guen in a season or two will do me nicely.
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Paul
An excellent article, and a reminder of why so may of us were primarily attracted to this site.
I don't expect to see these figures discussed, or even mentioned, in the 'Old Media'.
Let's start enforce that advantage in 2 weeks time, when PLG comes to Paradise.
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Paul -
you are some Bhoy, more power to your calculator
Duracelt
WG
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Been reading the blogs on this site with great interest for a while but have just this minute decided to take the plung =e and join up.
News of the huns imminent demise will aways be treated with suspicion by me as they've come back to bite us on the danglies once too often for my liking.
A question though, why are they referred to as Darnel??
Georgiebhoy67
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I agree with Edmoondo ,they do need a sugar daddy with deep pockets to turn this around but who is out there that they can call upon?
Paul 67 maybe this has been asked and I've missed it, our debt was 9mill what is the effect of Lennoxtown on our levels of debt, and did our accounts include the 15mill from the recent share issue, so this money is not set aside untouched to pay for Lennoxtown?
May sound obvious but the less debt the less we pay in interest and more to spend on the team.
Great post cant wait to they go belly up, gloating is not a nice attribute but I think most of us on here would allow ourselves that after the lean years of the late 80's and early 90's.
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Hi Paul,
An interesting if bleak article from my own point of view and to be honest if things were to remain that way your predictions may well be pretty close to right, however there are some circumstances that could change it. As Edmoondo has already pointed out, a change of owner at Ibrox would introduce an unknown into the equation, another though at the present it looks unlikely would be either regime change at Celtic perhaps leading to money being taken from the club and given to the board as shareholders. Another could be the a take-over with the present share price making the club look an attractive investment. Of the three my money would be on the first, with a new owner giving rather than taking money from Rangers. The future may be bright but it's not yet written in green and white :-)
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Paul
Excellent financial analysis as usual. I'm not very numerate and halfway through articles like these I feel my eyes are about to pop out with confusion so I need your help on one point. If Rangers' continuing operations total went up to £43.4m from £34.4m the previous season by virtue of their CL run why do you think their turnover will stay at this sort of level when you said earlier they had turned over more than £60m this year. Is it because the JJB money was included in that figure and they won't have that high a figure from now on?
I certainly hope you are right about all this, however, I fear Joe Lewis or Tom Hunter or some other rich stormtrooper will end up putting his hand in his pocket and rendering your prediction almost obsolete.
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Georgiebhoy67 :- As far as I'm aware the term was introduced by Winningemmel (apoligies if I have that wrong) and is based on a biblical reference to dark forces called the darnel
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there is only one light on at ipox.
and it is that they have slashed wages.
a defeat to molde, hibs then us would surely put the cat amoung the pigeons.
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Edward
To buy Rangers from Murray and put the club on a financial par with Celtic, would take how much money in your opinion ?
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Georgiebhoy.
I think it's a kind of poisonous grass that's mentioned in the bible.
Some Hazy journalism throws up the quote:
"Darnel seeds aren't good for much except as chicken feed or to burn to prevent the spread of this weed"
It also induces sleep.
Not saying I agree with the comparison of course, Edward ;0)
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Hi Paul, thanks for the financial insight its enlightening to say the least.The long term view and effective leadership of Brian Quinn and the board show that they too share your goal of a G.O.D.However, the downside of your post is that i can already hear the cries of some saying 48.4 million! why didnt we buy ronaldo,shevcenko etc...
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Paul - Your article is a 'moonbeam' of enlightenment!
Hopefully, the financial realities will start to register with the old media.
We should push it more....let's call it the Hugh Adam Project, after the great malcontent.
lovejoy - from previous thread, many thanks.
Oh the Rangers are skint.....
TTTT
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Paul I'm a bit confused on something here, as from a lay mans point of view you seem to be cross comparing our figure A with there figure b as opposed to their figure A, ie."With Champions League income, this season, Celtic will turnover at least £70m. Rangers turnover this season will not be far away from the £34.4m (Surely this figure should be the about the 61mill - the 6 mill) income they generated from Continuing Operations in 2005"
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Paul
Money comes to money, as they say.
TrueTim
If M. Le Guen gets a job in the premiership, wouldn't that mean he'd been a success?
I suppose it depends on what you mean by success :)
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Excellent post Paul.
I think the rich sugar-daddy for RFC may indeed happen one day.
He can have all the big deep pockets he wants, as long as he has wee short arms ;-D
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TTTT
No probs, hope you get sorted :o)
Paul
With TFOD being so skint and come the end of this season, how much debt do you forsee them actually being in?
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With the Mint currently trying to cook the books, with regards to trying to sell on, how hard is it actually going to be to entice a buyer?
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Edward Ursus and Hazybhoy,
Thank you.
Makes sense.
BTW, I can't see a Tom Hunter throwing his lot in with TFOD at all.
Even Lewis from ENIC got his fingers burned dealing with the ddastardly darnel (I could get used to calling them this!)
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FrankieBhoy :- I honestly don't have a clue, there are a few interlocking set ups at Ibrox, the football team, Murray Park, the catering business etc it's beyond my knowledge what a fair price would be, my own thoughts are it wont be so much the buying price as the level of investment my own thoughts would be an initial investment in the team of around £15M used wisely this would give a solid base allowing for less (though still substantial) investment each year. If something like this doesn't happen then I can foresee a re run of the nineties only this time the money and glamour being in the east of the city rather than the south side. Sorry I'm unable to give a better answer but I'm one of these people who depend on folk like Paul explaining the financial side of things.
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given we will have financial superiority for a decade surely if we invest enough in the playing side we could leave them behind from a football point of view for even longer!
learn the lessons of seville and strengthen while ina position of strength lets not rest on our laurels again!
come january lets see our defence strengthened and maloney tied up (on a contract that is)
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Paul67
Thanks for the great analysis. Much appreciated.
Off-topic, but is everyone’s live bookmark for CQN working?
My bookmark is still showing Most important two weeks since Seville delivers a result and August 31, the day we discover if Rangers are up to the challenge.
Am I the only one?
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Hi Paul,
Sorry to post off topic so quickly but I've just read this on the Gersforum Documentary Has a similar request appeared on any Celtic sites? I have to admit to being in the suspicious camp suspecting a stitch up from English media.
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keepthefaith, that was my take on it as well, but not sure if my/your analysis is correct. £34m seems awfully low.
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Edward
I've always thought that Murray would be looking for a large sum for 'his' club. I could be wrong.
I just don't see anyone putting in tens of millions of pounds to buy then finance Rangers. With that sort of money you could buy a club in England and aim for the EPL.
There's always the chance of there being a super rich Rangers supporter out there but I doubt it.
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Paul,
Is it at all possible that Le Guen is another "Boumsong"?
Realising that one of Europe's most sought after coaches was about to dip his toe back into football, Murray jumps at the opportunity of signing him up on the free then punting him for a profit after one year?
Was it not a strong rumour last year that Rangers had in fact lined up Graham Roberts as their next manager? Something, I think, you were adamant on Paul?
I believe there is more to this possibility and deserves a bit more consideration.
Next summer, Murray will probably come out with something like "The offer was too good to refuse", "Le Guen didn't bring the success we anticipated".
Is this why the JJB money hasn't been used? To 'handicap' Le Guen? After all if he succeeds how can Murray justify (to the hoards) punting him?
I believe Rangers cant afford to keep a manager of Le Guen's quality, just the same as they couldn't afford to keep a player of Boumsong's quality ['snigger'-Ed] and he represents nothing more than a quick 'free' buck.
Maybe just one or two coincidences… maybe not.
TGH
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Paul
interesting analysis which basically confirms my own analysis. As I have said before you have to admire the Mints PR. Who would have thought that after such a bad year, selling off the family jewels and then not giving the new manager any real money then he would still be getting positive reports. I know he has willing Lapdogs but the fact that everybody can deny that the promised moonbeams and the £48 million JJB money were promised takes some doing.
Our task is too ensure that we maintain this advantage and continue to develop our income streams particlularly overseas (I can't keep buying my son new strips, he is growing too fast).
The Darnel became too compacent and were mugged by MON. We should ensure that this does not happen to us.
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Regarding champions league income(and on the unlikely scenario that this occurs):
If Benfica were ousted and no other team replaced them, would UEFA compensate us for gate money and TV revenue??
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EdwardUrsus
What does it relate to?, went onto your link but didn't register, just didn't feel right.
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Leabgarrow
I'm assuming the £18m received from JJB is what took the figure over £60m - taking that figure and the CL money away would leave their T.O. at the mid £30m mark as Paul said - I was just checking this was the case.
Arctic Monkey
I was having probs with the site yesterday. The article was saying it had over 100 comments but my screen only showed the first 6 or 7 then it was blank. No amount of refreshing, restarting or punching my laptop would help. Seems ok today, touch wood.
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A Generation of Financial Domination! As long as it transfers to the field. I'd like us to close out this decade with another 4 league titles at least to cement this.
I completely agree about the brand issue - despite the pre-season tour - I've always felt we are more of a "global" brand, if that's the correct term.
Coatbridge - I'd be looking for UEFA to compensate me for my flights/accomodation and three nights worth of drinking/disco money in Lisbon as well!
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EdwardUrsus
Can I ask what is in it for the person who buys Rangers?
Unless he (she?) is a philanthropist, how will they earn an adequate return on capital?
The EPL?
If that was on the horizon, why is Murray, who we are told is a businessman of some renown, selling out now?
Paul, interesting figures. May I point out that Rangers are guaranteed at least £3m per annum over the next 10 years from JJB.
Also, in terms of cash flow, not having a retail operation will free up some working capital.
It will not change your conclusion, however. We have a significant financial advantage at the moment.
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Chennaiseabird - Le Guen can live of his rep for a while yet. His excuse will be he was given no money.
I would love to join the G.O.D brigade but in all honesty, Rangers could still have a few cards up their sleeves. Or even still, if Le Guen was to unearth a few gems then something as simple as that could shift the balance on the park. It’s been done before.
From Celtic's point of view it is all about sustainability which is great. We need to use the advantages of that sustainable spend to provide sustainability by:
~ Signing our best players on long term deals
~ Having replacements for key players lined up in advance
~ Investing in top scouting resources
~ Adding to the quality of the team on a season by season basis with prime players (24-27)
~ Investing in the 2 weakest parts of the team once a season
All realistic goals and certainly not beyond us under current conditions.
The last two seasons has seen us make great strides towards our ultimate goal of being a top European team again but that has only provided us with a platform. Next Wednesday will provide a great benchmark for the club in terms of playing ability, the analysis of this game cannot be underestimated. There will be positives to be taken from a defeat.
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TTTT from previous
Hotel all sorted out apparently. Or so I have been told - wouldn't be the first time I have slept on a comfy pavement (Barcelona?)
Trusting Curly
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TGH,
Excellent post though somewhat Machiavellian don't you think?
Even if they were compensated for the loss of PLG the fans would go mental if they lost him after just a year even if he didn't win them much. The perceived wisdom regarding PLG is that he generally stays for 3 years - takes the first year to build a team and size up the opposition then delivers for the next two years. I've always been surprised at the notion of PLG having to prove himself in the SPL and that managing TFOD is a stepping stone to the Premiership. Wenger didn't have to do this and he was far more obscure when he arrived than PLG is in English circles.
I find the idea that they were lining up Graham Roberts as manager both delightful and hilarious. I imagine after his recent transgressions at Clyde this is unlikely to happen but if it did I think I would would rub my hands together so gleefully that any future attempts to read my palm would be rendered impossible.
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Kittochbhoy @11.22
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I hoped very much that you would be able to spare a small amount of your
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keepthefaith, yep understood what you were saying, it was how i read it also. Though another £3m per year should be added per year as this is what JJB will drip feed after the initial £18m (i Think).
Still incredibly low, even with a run to UEFA cup qtr finals they will be skint. Losing to Hearts at Tynecastle was a win win situation for us. Extra CL tv money thru Hearts failure and unprecedented affect on rangers ability to compete finacially.
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GM :- I don't see anything in it for a buyer unless there is some big changes in the football world, my opinion is that it would be someone who is wealthy enough not to have to depend on income from the club, those people are few and far between but I'll keep my fingers crossed (if that's still legal lol)
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EdwardUrsus
Thanks for that, Looks interesting but has she any idea what she is attempting to do, or the hornets nests that face her.
My suggestion is that you go and one other Ursus that i know and put over a reasonable case.
You don't want the bears who embarrased Scotland on the Jeremy Vine show getting this opportunity for the limelight, or shoild I say bluelight.
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i haven't posted on here for a while for one reason or another and one thing that has always annoyed me has been this insistance on the 'generation of domination' thing. yes rangers are in a poor state but if one thing has been constant over the last 10 years or so is that Celtic have always failed to put rangers away. we're like a cautious boxer who jab's the head off a guy and is a mile ahead on points yet leaves his chin out to dry in the 12th round and gets folded up like a deck chair. when we stopped 10 IAR, we lost Wim because of the board. during and after the seville year we failed to back MON and it cost us 2 leagues, Champions League progess and maybe winning the UEFA Cup. we should be going for 7 IAR this season, not 2! i applaud the recent signings we made and the board must be given credit but the way i saw it we weren't signing Graveson until we had the Petrov cash in the bag. the board being cautious as ever. i was never asking them to break the bank but i feel we're always gonna be middle of the road in terms of finances which means we're always gonna be close to getting that haymaker from rangers and maybe hearts. PLG is a good manager and maybe what he has at ibrox is enough to win a title. we won it with an average side last season. if they get a decent european run that can generate funds and attract investment. i would compare celtic these days to charlton were i live in london. charlton rose like a phoenix, rebuilding their stadium and establishing themselves as a regular premiership side and they remain resolutely solvent and would never contemplate going into debt. but they are always gonna be mid-table side who will loose their best players (parker to chelsea) as they are not getting a challenge. that is celtic and our chances in the Champions League. the charlton fans had a great couple of seasons when west ham got relegated and were millions in debt. they really took the p**s out of them and said they were now the dominant football force in south east london. but look at things now and what happened to west ham when they got a decent manager in place. promotion, cup final, europe and look at their recent signings. charlton fans aren't laughing now. they're getting frustrated at the middle of the road situation their club is in and has been for a while. rangers are our west ham and are you as a celtic fan gonna be happy with things if we constantly just make up the numbers in the champions league. i know facts and figures are important in modern football but ultimately what happens on the patch of grass that matters. as things stand we are 1 point ahead in the league and not playing that well. be cautious of what you wish for folks, it may not be all that brilliant!
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Paul, thank you for the most lucid exposition on the financial status of both clubs.It would appear that bouguets are in order for all concerned with special mention for the efforts of David Murray.The term Generation of Domination will sit a little more easily with me now as I shall preface it with the word Financial.All that remains to be done is for the manager and players to reflect that superiority on the playing field (piece of cake ). It is almost certainly our Irish history of emmigration and struggle for equal rights status that makes me uneasy with a term about which I detect an odour of hubris(the 1970 E.C. final always flashes before my mind).At any rate it has frequently been remarked here that we have a tendency to shoot ourselves in the foot when we are in a position of strength.I fervently hope that as the silverware accumulates and my fear recedes that I will be able to profess an unambiguous belief in G.O.D.In the meantime I shall keep the faith and remind myself that supporting the club is a journey rather than a destination.
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TrueTim, 10:15, Le Guen may surprise us, but he will not close the £30m annual income gap between the clubs.
There are no guarantees that Celtic will win every league, but money always determines long term success.
Welcome Georgiebhoy67.
Edmoondo 10:14, Rangers fans are privately hoping for a sugar daddy, but look at the figures and consider just how much money could need to be ploughed in each year to achieve parity.
Dessybhoy, 10:31, the £15m share issue is not considered ‘income’ on our profit and loss accounts. It is (principally) a balance sheet transaction.
Lennoxtown has only marginally impacted debt in the figures released.
Edward 10:32, as I alluded above, a sugar daddy remains the only exit route, but with the level of commitment now needed due to the long term structural limitations on income, I will be surprised to see this.
Remember also…… (and this one is important)
Rangers intangible assets play an important role in the MIH accounts. Murray would need to realise a huge premium on the share price before he could afford to sell.
Keepthefaith, the JJB money is a one off, and will need to be accrued in the profit and loss account. I know this is not a full explanation, but while the cash came in now, this money will have little impact on the P&L.
Bhoyfaethebul, :-)
Play it careful, and we will maintain a lead. I have another article coming on how Rangers blew a similar advantage.
Belfast Bhoy, 10:54, in their accounts, Rangers provide information on what their accounts would look like without the now discontinued retail division.
For season 2004-5 (when they reach the Uefa Cup group stage), this mean turnover of £34.4m. Their figures, not mine.
Good to hear from you Peterm1711.
Lovejoy, ironically, their debt position is going to be one of the good news areas they have. Expect low.
Leabgarrow, 11:07, £34.4m is “awfully low”, this is my whole point. Fortunately you do not need to take my word for it, go to the Rangers web site, download their accounts, and see for yourself.
GM, the £3m p.a. Rangers will receive from retail will be included in their Continuing Operations.
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Interesting article as usual Paul. It seems that the much maligned strategies of Brian Quinn and Eric Riley are now paying dividends in the growth of our revenue streams and simultaneous cost reductions.
However I cannot see this massive gap between ourselves and Rangers continuing for too much longer. I cannot see much growth in TV income for Celtic (both local and Champs League); I think that if Celtic bring out any more strips in the next year then even the most ardent of the midnight-queuers at the Celtic superstore may think they are being exploited and spend less; we are spending more money than them which should bring in better players and more wins but is never guaranteed. I also think Rangers will get stronger under Paul le Guen (much as we all like to stick the boot in, I think he will prove to be a decent manager) and may well challenge for the league and consequently champions league spot.
Having said that playing a wee bit of the devil's advocate here and think that we could have the SPL by the cajones for the forseeable and that is no bad thing. I expect us to maintain an advantage over them in income but I dont think it will be quite as vast a difference between the two clubs as it may be this year.
Money is no guarantee for success, although it certainly helps. Lets hope we do what Elvis Costello wished on Maggie Thatcher but lets not think just because we have them over a barrel just now it guarantees success for the next ten years- although by God I wish it did.
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True Tim.
Surely if Paul Le Guen is offered a Premiership job in a year or two, it will be on the back of two successful seasons at Ibrox.
If he has two poor seasons, then that would deminish his appeal to the premiership teams.
As far as I am concerned, Tim, I hope he fails miserably in each of his three years at Ibrox.
The premiership do not want losers. Let him fail and stay.
Cheers,
Martin.
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Murray does not only have to worry about the intangible asset he carries in the account he also has to worry about the corresponding debt from the last share purchase when he transferred the £50M fron Rangers to MIH.
Edward has already highlighted the significant income stream that leaves Ibrox weekly into other MIH companies. Therefore MIH would have a write off of an asset (£50M plus) and a relatively significant downturn in business or at very least I would suggest contracts renegotiated at a more competitive rate.
Unless they can convince Hunter to publicly come out (him, Chick or Dougie first?) and put his money in or find a compliant Russian oligarch the Moonbeam is a long way away.
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Paul,
I suppose I was questioning your figure. It's a bit like walking into a Jaguar showroom and a brand new jag priced at £10k, it just doesn't seem right. I'll defer to your superior accounts analysis skills.
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Its more a case of its too good to be true and the masons wont allow such a foundation to go to the dogs.
What made me laugh, was the playing staff (asset) value.
Anyway ...
More forcing issue.
Article 17 of FIFAs new rule.
It applies to third year of 4/5 year contracts - is this why Celtic now use the 3 year with 1 year option?
We need to look through curent staff, evaluate and remedy.
Stan dones us a big favour by signing the new one.
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keepthefaith,
Once i get this 'Catcher in the Rye' read I reckon I could come up with a few more 'facts' to support my idea. :))
I dont reckon Graham Roberts will be the man now, but he was definitely a name in the hat earlier this year (one Paul was dead sure on)... as was/is Terry Butcher [go get some experience Terry and we'll see you next year :)].
As for having to prove himself in the SPHell, your right. It doesn't make sense. In fact about as much sense as Boumsong rejecting Liverpool and Newcastle Utd to join Rangers.... clearly a better club in a better league... blah blah(sic).
Realistically there is ONLY one logical explaination and thats MONEY. And since we all know that Rangers have as much of that as Michael Jackson right now it must a money MAKING venture, not spending!
The first year to build a team..? loan signings and a few pennies here and there isn't exactly awe inspiring building work is it? If this is their re-building year then that would imply that its this year he gets the BIG budget (approx £2M net spend??), if I was a Ger I'd be devastated right now... But I'm not woo hoo!!
Summer 07 Daily Record headlines-
"Murray masterstroke- PLG Didn't deliver the goods"- Suitor club buying out the remainder of his contract.
"Terry Butcher In as Bluenose mentality needed after European influence leaves club in dissaray"-saving Rangers millions
Mark my words! :))
TGH
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Given no future league exit is forthcoming , 10 in a row should be the objective. It isnt as crazy a notion as it seems. Bar the couple of last day failures we'd be well on our way. Given our financial advantage and viable footballing plan 10-a-row must be the objective. Celtic fans seem to treat PLG as the enemies messiah , well I think he'll be found out soon enough. Its all well and good managing a winning club with plentiful cash (Lyon) but when the cash flow is zero and the players are average you're work is severely cut out. A few injuries between now and january could severely damage any thoughts rangers have of coming 2nd. When january comes and we strenghen again , the SPL trophy may indeed be there before Easter again.
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If I'm not mistaken, PLG inherited a very good Lyon side from jaques Santini and kept the ship steadied for a couple of years, making inroads into the CL too.
He's since passed the baton to Gerard Houllier who has, despite being an atrocious man manager, kept the success going.
I've not been too impressed with Leguen and his carges so far this campaign but it's early days. 23/9 will give us a better indication if he's the messaih or just a very naughty boy.
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This Generation of Domination thing seems wrong,somehow.
A bit triumphalist,and more the sort of thing the Nameless come up with.
And given that Celtic and chaos theory are not strangers to each other I don't think it's time yet to leave the cosy surroundings of the GlassHalfEmpty for the Brandenburger Tor.
And a G.Of.D in Scotland doesn't amount to much,in the grand scheme of things.European success is the top priority,and the credibility that comes with it.We could win the SPL 99in a row,so what?
As far as the Nameless are concerned-
Look at Villa.In complete disarray;seemingly in a spiral of decline,when out of the blue a Megarich American appears,dollars burning a hole in his pocket,and best of all,the Manager best equipped to get the club back on its feet is available!
Whose to say a similar scenario couldn't take place at Minas Morgul?
Edward-last time I checked Michael Knighton isn't doing anything,he'd get my vote to replace the Mint!
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That made for a happy read Paul - they're skint indeed :o)
Anyone else champing at the bit waiting to see our new signings strut their stuff? A very inconvenient time for international football! I'm hoping Miller will benefit though, a nice wee goal tomorrow night and he'll come back to us raring to go. I have a bet on with a pal that he'll score 10 by Christmas.. Ahem.
Lynn'soptimisticgreensocks
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Martin42 -
If Le Guen takes a premiership job it will because he is fed up with Murray and, hopefully, empty promises. I was not alluding to his success.
He reputation would not be severly dented by finishing second to a strong Celtic team.
My point is until his revolution fails, if it does at all, I will not be joining the G.O.D brigade.
We have to start kicking Rangers when they are down - we have started this season but we need to kick harder next year.
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TGH
I'm slightly concerned at your 'Catcher in the rye' connection - you aren't per chance stalking any pop stars at the moment are you...? :)
Out of interest, if money is the motivation I have 2 questions for you: on what basis do you think DM attracted PLG to Mordor? And how much financial compensation do you think they would expect to receive for PLG should they decide to "move him on"?
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People will buy premiership teams as there is a substantial amount of money flying around.
Only someone who has money to burn would buy Rangers.
Lynn, hows the weather in Greenock?
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One question Paul
Why did PLG take the Rankers job ???
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Any man that plays for a team called AS Brest, is worth a watchin' !
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la patate de Pencran - seriously.
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It, or they, are definitely there for the taking. Decent investment in the squad for box-office names, allied with (hopefully) a continuous flow of talented youngsters and we cannot go far wrong.
I am encouraged by these figures as I must admit I thought the appointment of Le Pew would be accompanied by some fairly serious financial backing which, alas, never materialised. I will not underestimate 'le manager' just yet. The time for that is 23/9 when we can see 1st hand what he may be trying to form.
As I have also said before this is the season for Strach (hows that Newarthill Bhoy!) to really show us that he is capable of building his own team for SPL retention and the big boys playground of Europe.
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75th anniversary of the death of John Thomson. Tribute on the Celtic offical website
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MBCelt 12:56, ‘why did PLG take the Rangers job?’ Good question.
We now know that it was not because he would be given a huge transfer kitty. The most likely reason is financial compensation. I suspect he is on a huge salary.
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TommyGravesonsHair ;- I know it was mentioned a couple of times but as far as I know Graham Roberts was never a contender for the Ibrox post, he had never done anything in management that would have brought him to notice. Your scenario on Mr Butcher returning to Ibrox may be a lot closer to the truth though I don't think the time scale will be as short as you say, if he has a good record in Australia and proves himself then why not, he is an ex captain of the club during one of it's best ever times. Understands the pressures that come with the job and is a winner in mentality, I can think on a lot worse as future managers
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Our Champions League group to be reduced to three teams????
Sac(k)re Le Bleu!
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How he attracted him to Mordor? I've absolutely no idea.
I'll tell you how he didn't though.
-Massive Club, Massive league, Millions upon Millions to spend, Genuine Champions League winning opportunity, You could make a real name for yourself here Paul [ok the last bit maybe true... for the wrong reasons]
In a pre-season when clubs like Newcastle Utd, Aston Villa, Charlton Athletic, Middlesboro were all on the lookout for a new manager do you not find it even a little bit strange that one of Europes youngest, most up and coming managers resisted EPL overtures to ply his trade in the SPL?
I genuinely do think Murray saw an opprtunity, in exactly the same way he did with Boumsong and seized it.
How much can they make from him? Again, I'm not exactly sure, he's contracted for three years, so at least two years worth @ approx £1M to buy him out (not much I hear you say but when you think of other saleable assets they currently hold, it is a lot) and I'd also expect some sort of fee to be involved as Murray holds the cards- but if there is a hint of Rangers making some desperately needed cash I believe he will facilitate a move for PLG.
He needs the money more than he needs PLG.
TGH
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interesting reading as usual. one point on the G.o.D. thing is what i used to comfort myself with when we were going through their 9iar years.
We didnt have to be as good as them , only much better than the rest of the teams. This would mean the 4 games vs them would be vital to the swing of the leagues.
Also they have been on a downcurve for 6 years. It has been managed by the media and them so that the fans were not really aware that was the course they were on.
Once they realise this then there could be a positive backlash from the support (similar to our 'always look on the brightside' days). to do this they will have to shed the superiority complex, the reason many follow the club in the first place.
interesting times ahead
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At 10:14 AM, Edmoondo said…
good analysis Paul67, only thing that could scupper it though is if Murray sells the club to a very wealthy person who is very willing to dip into his large pocket.
lets hope thats not the case!
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Don't you just know that this will happen. Some dodgy Russian billionaire with more money than sense.
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Paul
An interesting article- For every £5 they can spend we can spend £15
just a couple of questions for you if I may;
Why do you think Celtic will turnover £12m from champs league and Rangers only made £7m with qualifying last season?
Does the £16.4m highlighted include the released income from the JJB deal..(estimated to be £3m per annum ie £30m/10)? I think you should add this to the £16.4m and also allow for more cash as they will have reduced interest (presuming it is not siphoned off) but apart from that very interesting....
How much do Celtic make(profit) from retail operations per annum?
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For those who think they're booked for OT with Thomas Cook be very afraid
WG
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Darth,
Surely the group won't be reduced to 3? Ajax, Chievo and Osasuna are waiting in the wings to replace Benfica and the other Portugese teams should Gil Vicente fail to halt their legal action.
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If Benfica are booted, will this not only punish the Portugese but Celtic, Utd and Copenhagen ie loss of home revenue for 1 game?.
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couldn't care if we lost revenue of home game football not money is what matters and we'd still be in europe after christmas!
is everyone on here money daft! what about football success!!!
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I'm not comfortable with the G.O.D thing.
I'm not happy with the Old Firm lable.
We need a fresh mindset and a new point of reference for success - Europe. R.O.P. - Realising Our Potential.
And I don't like acronyms ;D
R@ngers showed what not to follow follow...over-priced domestic domination and European failure.
Chris
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Al Obundy -
if Benfica are booted then all we would need to do it beat Copenhagen at home and draw away to ensure qualification to the second round!!!!!!!!!
Uefa have given till the 14th for it to be sorted internally - there is too much money at stake for it not to be sorted - lets not get our hopes up.
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Good call brinalackbhoy
Football it,s all about FOOTBALL
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The GoD theory should be shelved until we've beaten them at Ibrox under PLG, that would be tangible proof, any half decent accountant can manipulate financial figures to read whatever suits your case.
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JarosikPark, 1:18, Rangers earned £6m more from their Champions League season than they did during their Uefa Cup Group Stage season, though the impact of the CL was more like £9m, as retail income fell by £3m in the second season.
Celtic will earn £12m more from the CL than they did earning zero European income last season.
Yes, the Ongoing Income figure includes earnings from JJB.
Cannot remember from the top of my head how much profit we make from retail.
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TGH
Compensation of £1m per year for a couple of years? Hardly seems worth it.
It is more likely your "saleable assets" concept may work in Rangers' favour though. A disgruntled PLG heads south and immediately comes hunting Sionko, Sebo and Clement and possibly Burke, Boyd and (inexpliquably) Ferguson - all of whom are in contract and require to be bought. TFOD get the cash and offload potentially equally disgruntled players.
Seems like a lot of effort with no guarantee of success to me though.
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Dont you just wish Petrov would shut up now and prove his worth to villa . Keeps repeating same crap day after day . You've gone now , deal with it like big gentleman John did . Pure class !!!
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dontbrattbackinanger
I must agree. For Generation Of Domination read wearrapeepell.
Why spout such theories when we can only look like fools if they don't happen?
I also agree with your 99 in a row theory. Would the Germans, Italians or Spanish care one extra iota about us were we to be 5,6,7 in a row?
My bet is they would be even more likely to say "...Ha, Scottish Football, pfff. If Celtic are 7 in a row how bad are the rest...."
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Paul,
Thanks for your plain-English analysis. I've never been interested in dry financial information. I'm much more interested in basic facts, the general more than the specific. I trust your analysis will continue to prove correct!
A look at the names on The European Cup suggests football team management will remain the supreme variable within current financial perameters. For example, a third or more of all European Cup winners were unfancied prior to success:
Ajax x4
Benfica x2
Celtic
Crvena Zvezda
Dortmund
Feyenoord
Forrest x2
Hamburg
Marseille
Porto x2
PSV
Steaua
One wonders what an honest roll of honour would look like (given all the tales of curruption)?
However, you first have to be in it (the CL) to have any chance.
I share your view that we are well into an era of domestic domination. The variable that is team managemt (including a big luck factor)has masked the extent of our market lead. If things continue to go our way, we will start to lap our nearest rivals.
Our manager is no fool, he has the skills and the ambition to match the rest of us, board, staff, supporters. Things are coming along very nicely off the park. We have youth development and a policy of bringing top professionals into the team.
Good club management, good team management, good players, a fantastic support. All we need is a bit of good luck.
No one can, any longer, doubt that the board has set us on a course which relies on Champions League qualification every year.
Yes, professional football is a complex business, however, generally speaking,
EVERYTHING is in place (even a left-back!), and
a bit of luck has surely been earned.
Keep it going Paul!
Hail! Hail!
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Kano, EdwardUrsus, SettingFreeTheBears...
I've replyed to you guys on my blog. :-)
Sorry for taking as long, just been super busy since getting back from holiday. :-)
/p
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Right wheres madmitch with the contradiction?
Pat
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Curruption: dog speak for corruption?
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Subterrenean -
perhaps Celtic should look to get LogicaCMG in in.
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The_bhoy_darth 12.44. Dunno but it peein down in Edinburgh! I've never been to Greenock - I have a cousin who's a Morton fan though - does that count as a Greenock link..? I'm an Ayrshire girl living in Edinburgh - the letters of greenock in my blog name aren't deliberate. Just out of interest, do you ever use the phrase 'all the one side like Gourock' - I have a pal who claims this is a greenock term and not something that she just made up..
lynn'sayrshiregreensocks
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Celnav-I don't know if in fairness we could ask for'more luck'.
Seems like the wheels of serendipity have clicked into place quite nicely for us recently;
let's see if WGS has the nous to drive the whole charabanc forward.
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I think the futures very bright.the youth system fills me with hope in particular.watching this "special" group come of age together will be very nice.really admire big Beat's and undoubtedly Aidinho could turn into a star but Shaunaldinho is something different,an absolute gem, could turn world class.WE need him tied up asap. Mixing this youthful energy with quality signing's would be deadly to the SPL for years to come.
Although the general concensus is Celtic will stroll this year,I think we will see PLG put something of an effort in.Despite money,he does have a good coaching reputation.The mates still think he'll win league(one backed him to do so by 8 point's,so I backed Celtic also by 8) mostly down to the fact WGS is in charge.He actually might believe what he said,that the squad he assembled was enough;and if that's true then he must have something backing him up.I,however,dont believe it.But if PLG win's that league,he's some pup and big club's will knock.
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DBBIA
As they say,
Fortune favours the brave!
CN
Celtic Brake-Club
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For 10:26 AM, Georgiebhoy67 and others.
MATTHEW, 13:36-38
36 Then Jesus sent the multitudes away, and went into the house. His disciples came to him, saying, "Explain to us the parable of the darnel weeds of the field."
37 He answered them, "He who sows the good seed is the Son of Man,
38 the field is the world; and the good seed, these are the children of the Kingdom; and the darnel weeds are the children of the evil one.
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The_bhoy_darth 12.44 - One word to describe the current weather in Greenock is an old Scots word - dreech.
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Giz A Huddle...
Right wheres madmitch with the contradiction?
He's probably in hiding because he knows I'm going to remind him that he said we'd only get £3m for Stan. Whilst I of course reckoned on multi millions - £5 or £6 million.
Sorry Mad Mitch, couldn't resist. ;-)
/p
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hi paul,
where does the large difference in turnover between the clubs come from?
£57.8M for celtic against £34M for rangers??
i can see £3M from the difference in stadia capacity but how do we have an extra £20M?
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It will be interesting to see if Scott Cuthbert gets the nod on Saturday in light of Mick's injury scare.
Watching the big lad in the recent Euro u19's, I was struck by his skill, ability and most importantly his pace, the very thing our other CB's lack.
The success of our youth system can only be fully realised when a continuous stream of talent makes it into the first team, a situation that appears more realistic and practical with every year we remain in the less than rarified atmosphere of the SPL.
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Jsm69,
Thanks for the biblical quote.
Children of the evil one??
Hahahaha!!!!!!!
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I'd like to appeal to everyone to have nothing to do with the link Edward posted earlier, which I understand is about being interviewed by someone making a documentary on the O** F***.
We must escape that tag as soon as possible and no good will come to Celtic as a result of any Celtic fan even talking about it.
Let the Huns spout off about how much they hate us and how great it is to beat us. Let them be portrayed as the parochial, bigoted numpties they are because we have bigger fish to fry.
I think today is a good day to raise a glass to Fergus McCann, the man who saved Celtic. When he took over the club we were light years behind Rangers in terms of business organisation, finance, stadium development and team building.
He saved the club from extinction and within four years we were Champions. We had as good a team as them and an even better stadium, all built simultaneously. We also were debt-free when Fergus left and our business operations were infinitely more professional than under the old board.
He also forced Murray's ego-driven spending into overdrive with the results plain to see today. In a very real sense, Fergus, whom Murray took great delight in deriding privately and publicly, has in the end prompted the bankruptcy his publicity-vehicle club.
We departed from the path Fergus McCann set for us and only now are we, I suspect, operating in a manner of which he would approve.
When it comes to finance, I am probably as naive as they come, but from what Paul has written, I think the mega-rich sugar daddy is the best that Rangers can hope for in the short and medium term.
The problem is, I think they are few and far between. The only true sugar daddies I can think of are Jack Walker at Blackburn and Matthew Harding(I think that was his name) for a brief time at Chelsea. Abramovich, Romanov, and the Americans who have taken over at ManU and Aston Villa are in it to make money, not spend it. Anyone who wants to buy Rangers will struggle to make anything for a long time to come.
Why did le Guen come to Rangers? I have a couple of theories. I have read rumours on more than a few sites that he is on 10% of all transfers out of Ibrox, hence all the young Frenchmen from various French reserve teams, who might be sold for a tidy sum in a year or two.
I think he was probably duped by Murray into believing he would have millions to spend.
My wilder theory is that Murray offered him a huge financial package as a publicity stunt, fully expecting him to reject it out of hand. Murray could then bleat about how impressed le Guen was with Rangers, Murray Park etc, but was unwilling to come to Scotland/got the Real Madrid job etc. Imagine Murray's jaw hitting the floor when le Guen said yes and he could not back out? Now he has an extremely expensive manager and no money to spend on decent players, instead of a cheaper manager and slightly more to spend on the playing staff.
As an aside, I think the time to judge le Guen will not be 23rd September. It will hopefully be nearer the end of April (when I hope we have the league sewn up again) because I don't think my nerves can take more last day dramas.
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According to a UEFA spokesman it is a possible option that Benficas exclusion could mean a three team league group.
lynn'sgreensocks @ 2.01
Im from Greenock, but not residing their now. Your name has totally thrown me! 'All the one side like Gourock' means hee haw to me - is it reference that Gourock is considered an area with a high support for Rangers than Celtic or that they are all left handed?
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Don't know why I had the urge to publish this here, but I've just read it in a brochure on Global Business Etiquette that someone sent me. There must be somewhere we can use it.
"In France, playing an imaginary flute signifies that someone is talking too much and is becoming annoying."
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Have been a long time admirer of this site but lately we have turned our attentions more towards the Darnel. Why is this?
Why does Rangers FC's dealings / budgets and staff interest you so much.
Their pathetic club is rotten to the core - now who wants to discuss Celtic then?
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chennaiseabird @ 2.28pm
If only Gazza knew that, Im sure it wouldve been used ;¬)
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Paul67 – Does this mean there really is a GOD
Edmoondo/Dessybhoy – Who’d be that stupid and (that) rich to want a club with a history of bigotry like their’s.
Edward – “The future may be bright but it's not yet written in green and white” Love your eternal optimism.
it’s still not too late to leave the dark side, come on you know you want to.
Savo – If the board had backed MON, Celtic would probably be skint, don’t forget he used the available money to reward his coterie of “faithful” players. Ie. Think of BOBO’s salary
Oregonbhoy
Whoisbusyinthenabsolutelyboilinghotfrenchalps
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Re the imaginary flute:
To all members of the Kerrang CSC, playing an imaginary guitar makes you more annoying.
Another aside (whilst we are laying into ra gers here) who makes up the nicknames at the death star? We have had 'the goalie'(goram), 'le gaffer'(le guen), 'the little genital'(dick), 'big dj'(big dj) & 'his eminence & most honourable lordship'(murray mint).
Oh that's right...It's chico dung & company!
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I've just heard that Christiano Ronaldo is suspended for our big do at Old Trafford. Could this be true?
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Chennaiseabird @2.28
It would seem to correspond to our phase blowing one`s own trumpet.In Mr Murray`s case,I would imagine, the sound of trumpets will be like those that heralded the tumbling of the walls of Jerico.Incidently the signing of the frenchmsn is surely a mark of his desperation for a league win.
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Beach balls in.. 2:18, the difference in turnover is due to a few reasons (as far as I can gather), principally, Rangers no longer have their own retail division and Celtic earn much more from their sponsorship deals.
Fat Bhoy Not Slim, 2:32, Rangers are of interest to me here for a couple of reasons. Despite how we like to plough our own furrow, we play in Scottish football, and they are our nearest challengers (most seasons).
The outcome of Scottish football remains of interest.
Secondly, no one else will expose them to such scrutiny, and with scrutiny comes pressure. If I can do my bit to add a wee bit pressure, I will be happy.
Thirdly (I know I only said a couple of reasons), there is no football this week, so why not?
Oregonbhoy, you bet.
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Embdy under seige wi T Cook e-mails or is it just my........er......cookies ?
Re the darnel - didny know there were so many exegetes oot there (or ex-eejits as we called them in the gool ol days)
anyway, well done ghuys
FTD/C
WG
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winningemmell at 1.18pm - what does your comment mean ?
Do you actually have useful or meaningful information that you wish to share ?
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if ronaldo is suspended diddy fletcher will play in his place then?
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Celtic 3 Rangers 0 from 1984.
noel.
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Paul, before you ask yes it is a quiet day and yes i know you hoped i'd given up the "ahem" song writing but i thought i'd give tom jones one more go
I saw the Flight on the night that you passed by our window
I saw the flickering shadows of love on your mlind
Jan Vennegoor of Hesselink
As you deceived him I watched and went out of my mind
Jan Vennegoor of Hesselink
Jan, Jan, Jan, delight us
I could see that goal was so good for me
But he was lost in a wave and no man could stop you scoring freely
At break of play when that man drove away, I was waiting
Shaun cross the ball to your head and you opened the goal
we stood there laughing
I felt my wife in my hand and she cried for more
Jan Vennegoor of Hesselink
Jan, Jan, Jan, delight us
So before we score to wake up the town
Four give me Jan I just couldn't take any more
(insert trumpet solo here)
We stood there laughing
I felt the wife in my hand and she cried for more
Jan Vennegoor of Hesselink
Jan, Jan, Jan, delight us
So before they come to break down the door
Four give me Jan I just couldn't take any more
Four give me Jan I just couldn't take any more
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Ok lets talk about Celtic.
Someone has to make way between Jarosik, Gravesen, Lennon, Pearson.
I dont see why JJ and TG couldnt play in the same team. Lennon will get ripped apart by pacey teams and at European level. Pearson, is good back up but maybe not a starter.
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brinalackbhoy
diddy fletcher ?
You can't be talking about Darren Fletcher, because he's anything but a diddy.
Do you actually like any players?
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Belfast Bhoy
I can't believe I've just sat here and sung that in my head to the tune of Delilah.........give it up :o)
lovejoy.whohastoomuchtimeonhishands
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jackd
for a scottish player he's not bad but there is no danger he is of the class that man utd should have compared to the guys they have and have had in recent years mcgeady is better
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i'd rather see fletcher against us than ronaldo or richardson put it that way!
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brinalackbhoy, would Mcgeady be a regular first team player in man U?
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Brinalackbhoy, do you like/rate ANY Scottish players? :)
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I rate Fletcher. MCGeady isnt consistent enough and although he has done well (only compared to his previous games) he isnt as experienced and intelligent as Fletcher.
Id rather see Richardson play tbh.
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true but who would you rather have for celtic? and playing against us next week?
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Paul67 - wasn't trying to be smart Sir, my apologies
Found this in the archives.
http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/sport.cfm?id=125862002
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I would be more than delighted if Fletcher played for Celtic
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maloney, pressley, boyd, gordon, hartley thats about it from the international team
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Lubomir -
I am in receipt of contradictory e-mails from TC, I now no longer know what's happening but all may become clear when I check my home PC and hotmail e-mail account
WG
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Aye, Fletcher will play for Celtic one day, Im sure of it. I for one cant wait.
McGeady has a lot to prove yet.
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i reckon folk msut watch different scotland games from me, Fletcher is the main man for scotland, and is obviously one of the main men for man u, ferguson would never play him just because he is scottish
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being the main man for scotland doesn't really make you a player though does it cos to be fair they're rubbish
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But Materazzi told Gazzetta dello Sport that Zidane's sister was the subject.
He said: "I was tugging his shirt, he said to me 'if you want my shirt so much I'll give it to you afterwards,' I answered that I'd prefer his sister."
Absolute CLASS :D :D :D
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I know this is a bit 'Smash Hits' but a poll appeared on some site earlier (Vital Football I think) asking Hoopees who was the most exciting signing of the transfer window. The results were:
Jan da Man - 52%
Tommy G - 29%
Kenny - 8%
Deek - 5%
Jiri - 4% ?!?
Sno - 2%
If the same survey was carried out this time last season then Magic might have been the Pole at the top of the poll!
Ok, where's the cloakroom?
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Well I'm off to raise one in memory of 'Our Darling, Johnny' and next month it will be his namesake's turn
We have the greatest football club in the world, enjoy being part of it.
Hail hail
WG
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Fatbhoy-
brilliant link-
especially this bit
"He is adamant that Rangers do not have the customer base to improve their financial standing through merchandising. "Rangers’ so-called global appeal is a myth," he said. "When I was there, we did an exercise which involved asking 50,000 fans on the database to recommend a friend or a relative abroad.
"A big response was expected - some were even talking about getting 100,000 names - because everybody in Scotland seems to know somebody abroad.
"We got back 2,800 names and three-quarters of them didn’t know they had been nominated. It’s no surprise that Celtic are officially the best-supported football club in North America, with more official clubs than anybody else. The difference is the Irish connection.
"Many Irish people may support Manchester United, Liverpool or whoever, but they all - every one of them - have an affection for Celtic. And, of course, Celtic also have a great Scottish following.
"The difference is that, while the Irish all have an allegiance to Parkhead, there are millions of Scots who not only don’t support Rangers, but actively dislike them.
"Despite the claims of international appeal, Rangers are, essentially, a West of Scotland club. They talk of supporters’ buses leaving from all parts of Scotland, but if you look closely, you’ll see there aren’t many from each area and they are not all full. "
noel.whojusthighlightedFatbhoyslink.
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ryan o'reilly @ 3.42
Aye, I just saw that too - interesting, but I agree, Jan is more or less "whats he going to do" - with TG, I think we know what he'll bring.
All in all, exciting times ahead!
*Part of the Evolution, not Revolution.*
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ryan o'reilly
I'd like to see the results of a similar poll for Rangers' fans !
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Diego How?
Will Bolton get snubbed for Celtic again :-p
Diego Tristan admits he is ready to move to The Premiership, with Bolton Wanderers and Newcastle United keen on the Spanish striker.
The 30-year-old had his contract cancelled by Deportivo La Coruna prior to last Thursday's transfer deadline, meaning he is free to sign, and play, for another club.
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bhoydarth~if you wrote all you knew about football on the back of a postage stamp-you would still have half a stamp left to fill in.
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Clement:
He added: "I joined Scotland but a great club, obviously without Paul Le Guen I would probably never have joined Rangers. It is a fantastic stadium."
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Don't they get'Smash Hits'in Wishaw?
I thought there would be a few votes for Arthur Lee Naylor.
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bobbylennoxwasasuperstar @ 3.51
If you were literate, that would be a start.
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Interesting stuff, Paul
As you know, I am a financial dummy, but my limited knowledge did not prevent me from seeing some Financial "smoke and mirrors", from Chairman Dave.
When he had to underwrite the share issue of a couple of years ago to the tune of 50+ VERY big ones, did he not just transfer it from Rangers to MIH?
Similarly, when he bought back the media rights(?) from ntl for a quid, did he not slap on a mere 14, 999,999 quid, and put THAT into the accounts as well??!!
Therefore, IF a Russian billionaire with deep pockets, wanted too buy L"Rangers, then would Murray not dump this debt from his companies', back to Les Huns!!
Sorry if this has been covered and that I may be talking total, unadulterated keech!
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FrankieBhoy,
There was a poll carried by gers fans just before anyone got signed. The results were:
Henry 39%
Ronhaldinho 26%
Eto'o 17%
Pires 9%
Zidane 8.99%
Sebo 0.01%
Aaaaah, sweet moonbeams!
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Paul 67 or Anyone
Off topic, could you clarify for me if I will recieve my champions league tickets in paper form or as some have suggested you use your season ticket card with CL games added if you pay extra.
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Apologies in advance - I may get this one pulled, however............
Found this on another site - Artur's Song (to the tune of okie kokie)
You put yer right hand up
You put yer right hand down
Left shoulder,Right shoulder
Staring at the ground
Ye do the Artur Boruc and you turn around
And watch all the huns freak out
OHHHHHH do the Artur Boruc
OHHHHHH do the Artur Boruc
Knees bend, Genuflect ra ra ra
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Didnt Sebo score two at the weekend against top-class opposition?
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Platmeister me ole rocker!
Where have you been?
Lots of maximum disrespect to Kerrang!CSC on the blog lately,including denial of Stairway's brilliance!
And a suggestion there should be an Operatic splinter group,and the playing of Air Guitar to be denied[!]rather than made compulsory.
Time to turn it up to 11!
Cities on flame...with rockandroll!
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the bhoy darth,
He did indeed score 2 in a 6-0 win for Slovakia over someone. I honestly cannot recall who though! They definitely weren't top class. I'm sure the red tops on Monday made out that they were though.
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Belfast Bhoy, it has been a while since we had a song.
Fat Bhoy Not Slim, believe me, no apologies necessary. b.t.w, the ‘hocky cokey’ is a very old mock of the Catholic Mass from Reformation times, used in just that context.
Platowasatim, 3:55, correct.
Dessybhoy, 4:03, no idea.
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Would the real Adam Virgo please stand up ?
Adam Virgo different from the player who came to us.
noel.
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brattback
I have been a'lurkin' and a' postin' with regularity!
DON'T YOU READ MY POSTS!!
How DARE that chap from earlier on say that playin' the air guitar was annoying!!! (Apologies for not typing your name)
WELL, just to annoy him even more, I'm playing my air guitar AND typing at the same time!!
SO THERE!!!
KERRANG CSC - ROCK ON - ALL MEN PLAY ON TEN(unless you are in Spinal Tap)
Some people have ZERO musical taste!!!!
Does anybody think that a JVOH and a Del Bhoy partnership would work??!!!
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ryan o'reilly @ 4.13
I believe it may have been Cyprus - ranked below Bagpuss in FIFAs rankings - could be wrong though!
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Paul
Is Chairman Dave still valuing The Death Star at an astronomical amount of cash, and that to, is reflected in their debt level figures?!!
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Afternoon bhoys
Anybody know the lineup for the reserves in their 2-0 win against ICT today?
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Can someone enlighten me about the Kerrang CSC?
Im genuinely interested :-)
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Of more concern to ourselves is that O-G Sjoljaer[?]scored 2 for Norway at the weekend.Even,maybe especially, coming off the bench he is a real threat.
PlatoWAT-I think that when Abramovitch bought Chelsea it cost £1,the rest was to pay off the debts.Whether this was Chelsea FC,or the whole of Chelsea Village,I'm not sure.
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Found this on the interweb:
Why do we sing the Hokey-Cokey?
Hmm...... well ....back in 17th century Puritan England anything 'popish' or Roman Catholic was viewed with great suspicion and open to, at best, ridicule. The Hokey-Cokey, with its song and actions, is a mimicry of the Roman Catholic Mass.
In those days the priest faced the altar (not the people) and performed several actions as he consecrated the bread and wine at Holy Communion. The words of the service were in Latin. You put your left arm in ......etc was ridiculing the priest as he lifted his arms heavenward during the rite. You do the Hokey- Cokey and you turn around............ was when the priest turned to face the congregation with the host (consecrated bread) to offer it to them.
Ooooh, the Hokey-Cokey......... hokey-cokey is a corruption of the Latin words of consecration - Hoc est corpus: 'This is my body' (Note: many of the strange words and phrases of our language are corruptions of other languages introduced to our country over the years and few were educated enough to speak or understand Latin). Knees bend, arm stretch, ra-ra-ra....... knees bend is a ridicule of the genuflection (a kind of religious curtsey to the altar) of the priest, arm stretch is when he holds up his hands at the point of consecration in the service, and ra-ra-ra is just a mimicry of the Latin words and prayers they didn't understand.
Today, many people do not know the origin of the song/dance and just do it for fun, especially to teach children co-ordination (and their right from their left). Today, in England, the Roman Catholic Mass is said in English and is so similar to the Holy Communion of the Church of England that, sometimes, if you didn't know what church you were in............
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Beach Balls at .....
sorry mate have to nail this.
Skeletor and the Evil ones lived and played at Snake Mountain.
The Good Prince Adam of Eternia and He-man were based at Castle Greyskull.
Forces of Light - Castle GreySkull
TFOD/Darnel - Snake Mountain
Yes there was a moment when Castle Greyskull came under the control of the evil one but in the end the forces of light prevailed.
baldywholikescartoonstoomuch
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Celticnavigator @ 1.42 p.m.
I like the analysis given - but taking it one step further. If you split the data pre and post CL innauguaration the % of unfancied winners drops to 21% of the total.
This would indicate that another variable has increased in importance over the last number of years - presumably money.
I believe it is now harder for an unfancied team to win the CL than previously (even although there are some weaker teams in the competition - i.e. runners up etc).
Interestin though.
AL1888
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OK-Bhoy Darth-the 4th Led Zeppelin album is called?
Answers to:
Kerrang!CSC
The Platcave
Platteville,U.K.
[This is a wee screening question to rule out tirekickers.And Sheena Easton fans.]
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dontbrattbackinanger @ 4.24 you already answered it for me ;¬)
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psssstt!!
brattback!1
What IS it called!!
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Dont brakke
Was it not nameless... the only reason I know is casuse the question was in the file The Client... but it is generally refered to as 4
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baldymeister:
Crucial clarification which should prevent future scandalous besmirching of He-Mans reputation.
Respect!
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Paul...... you called one of my efforts a song... im framing this
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the_bhoy_darth
The fabled, famed and highly respected KERRANG CSC, is a CSC for the bloggers on here who worship at the alter of heavy rock/metal.
It is named, by brattback, after the used-to-be-good-but-is-now-catering-for-14-year-olds, magazine of the same name, (obviously)
If you rejoice to the sounds of guitars turned up so loud that your ears bleed, then you are automatically a member!
If not, then I feel for you, my friend!!
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fat bhoy i'll be working on the cover of an old Berlin classic later
Genuflect away
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Just watched the last 30 minutes of the 2-1 win over hibs at easter road last year at the end of something I had videoed. Great match.
If Maloney comes back the way he was last season it will be like a new signing. The wee man was two or three times better than any other player on the park going forward. I look forward to seeing him back in the 1st team.
The other thing it brought back was just how poor the commentating was. 100% bias and obviously so, not quite sure how much better it is now but it must have improved with the replacement of those comical morons and the addition of Crocker.
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I have to go now
But NEVER FEAR, there shall be more platonic keech.................
LATER!
KERRANG CSC - ROCK ON - OPERATION:MINDCRIME
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I can assure you I like to get the Led out and worship the electric guitars hard rockin chords.
But at heart, Im still a Shammy CSC Bhoy ;¬)
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Plato
Is that used to be good as in when you were 14 and it was catering for you? :)
Hugh, who prefers Leonard Cohen and Melanie Safka.
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Reserves win 2-0 with a brace from the impressive O'Brien.
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I never read Kerrang - it was for long hairs ;¬)
The music is good, though.
How about a Solid Rock Cafe CSC?
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vclxi
I didn't know that. It's very interesting.
So doing the Hokey Cokey on Guy Fawkes night.......
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I fear I may have upset a few people on this board today - sorry guys.
Tis my West Ireland education.
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4.03 Dessy
Was told by Ticket Office (before the Hibs game) that they will all have to be paper.
When I asked why, the dude told us this was due to an issue with CL sponsors logos having to appear on the CL tickets.
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The fourth LZ album has no title.
Welcome,Bhoy Darth-or should we call you Luke?
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Roman cheers.
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Plato, yes, he is valuing them at a high level, though debt is not a determining factor.
Fat Bhoy, I am sure you upset no one.
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Great article Paul,
The future sure looks bright and believe that the way we've invested in the team will pay off hugely as we've pulled ahead at a time when they're lagging behind.
Your article brings up the one point that still had me a bit worried, namely the JJB money. It's great that they didn't invest in the team and all - especially after all the spin about how much they had to spend - but I thought that maybe it wasn't a bad thing for them to use the money to reduce the debt. After all, I thought, they need to get out of their financial hole one way or another. But this explains where the "JJB money went" :-)
With Net Operating Expenses of £18m, and turnover that will be close to £34.4m, Rangers will only have £16.4m available to pay for football operations and interest.
Oh the Rangers are skint!!!
MJ88
P.S. Brilliant way to describe Murray in the Scotsman article from earlier:
"The man in power has an allergy to any form of personal criticism.
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dontbrattbackinanger @ 4.47
You can call me Al ;¬)
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Oregonbhoy :- Thanks for the kind invite but I suspect you may be suffering from altitude sickness, who would want to leave the sylvan pastures of greyskull for the dark slopes of snake mountain :-) (apart from a certain Mr Millar who upon realising he couldn't make it with the best settled for a career with the second best in the country ;-) )
RyanO'Reilly :- Those may be press names but as a fan I only recognise two of them as being used, the goalie and big DJ and despite what you may think on one as a man and the other as a reporter as players they were both amongst the best in their positions.
Paul :- A slight mistake in your calculations there, if you look at the record of the league it's your own club who are nearest challengers most seasons :-)
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chennaiseabird
Being as I am, an aul haun, KERRANG! was not available when I was a mere slip of a lad,
It started round-a-bout 1980, and it used to be good.
However, times change and now, I glance through it every week in Asda's in Clydebank!!
the_bhoy_darth
I have nae hair noo, and the "Solid Rock CSC", is a wholly owned subsiduary of the KERRANG CSC!!
By the way, the KERRANG CSC is NOT a trribute to the magazine, just the music!!
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Georgiebhoy67
I posted this on sunday night.
At 10:01 PM, tinytim said…
I have just read a parable about The Darnel.
Here is my take on it.
It is a poisionous weed,that was planted by gods enemy, beside wheat.
It takes on the appearance of wheat until it is ready to be sowed.
The plan being that when it is recognised as being The Darnel ,the good farmer will rip it out along with the good wheat.
It was god's enemy who had hoped that the good would be ripped out with the bad.
God decided not to have it ripped out until it bore fruit and then e separated the good wheat from The poisioness Darnel.
The Darnel did not actually exist. It was used metaphorically to explain ,that we should all be carefull.That evil will not always be recognisable.
However ,he good will prevail.
Now,how apt is it that.We can now refer to TFOD as The Darnel.
I just love it.
Spread the word.
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DBBIA
Any chance I could join the old Kerrang CSC?
Only a few problems with my application though...
1. I can actually play guitar (I have at least 4)
2. I Don't like Led Zeppelin (Although I played Whole Lotta Love TOTP-style at a recent 70's gig)
3. I quite like Sheena Easton (James Bond theme was brill)
Mike (In Hope)
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Edwardursus
Would that be the same Mr miller who Rangers tried to re- sign?
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At 4.15, during one of my illustrious posts, I posed a question for all of us in CQN Land, regarding the merits, or otherwise, of a JVOH and Del Bhoy partnership!
True to form, it was completly ignored!
AH WELL!!
A'hm away tae listen tae the new Audioslave and Dream Theater albums!!
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Kerrang!is also the sound of wee Bazza colliding with TG,or more correctly Kerrang!oweee!throw-in to R@ngers,as the Hoops sportingly put the ball out so BF can get treatment.
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miketw10
Was/do your amps go up to 11??!!!
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PT
Naw, but it IS a Marshall, and it's always loud!
BTW, I thought he looked a wee bit like Rodney an' all!
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Oh dear, I seem to have upset the 'Quo roadies on here today. Let me explain-You see, I am a reformed air guitar player. I got a life and actually took up the real thing at 15. I suppose all reformed souls are actually the most critical (ex-alcoholics, druggies, smokers, skateboarders, etc.).
Forget Led Zep 4, Physical Graffiti is where it's at!
EdwardUrsus,
No doubting the ability of the 2 culprits in question (not old enough to remember big DJ though), but if 'the goalie' was held in such esteem surely a more imaginative term could have been cooked up! You don't here Hoops fans referring to Henrik Larsson or Jimmy Johnstone as 'the fitba' player'.
Oh, to talk football again..........Roll on Saturday!
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PlatoWAT-until Dezza gets a game that question shall be moot!
I think the preferred option,based on a whole 30 mins,is
Plan A:Majic and J.VOH.
Plan B:Dusty and J.VOH.
There doesn't seem to be much urgency to see what Dezza can do in the jersey,as far as WGS is concerned
Miketw10-based on the answers you have given:
1/good
2/nil
3/NIL!,unless you are the artist FKAP.
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mike
But it's no' loud enough, is it??!!!!
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MJ88, many thanks. Just like the old days on Celtic Quick News, brining financial info to the fore.
I knew the Rangers finances were heading this way, but until the transfer window shut, and their accounts were released, there was room for doubt.
The important question is how to cement the advantage, and avoid the mistakes Rangers made when they blew a similar advantage. I’ll come onto that later.
For the record, I don’t think you cement your advantage by making hugely expensive signings, this, in fact, was what Rangers done when the lights went out.
Edward, I know too well the taste of coming second, in fact, I know too well the taste of coming fifth.
‘Those days are past now, and in the past, they must remain.’
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DBBIA
3. You mean TAFKAP? Or TAFKAPNKAPA?
(The Artist Formerly known as Prince now known as Prince again)
Naw, It's no me (Unfortunately)
PT
It is when it's miked up to the PA and yer head's right in the speaker!
Mikewhonowcanthearproperlyanymore
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Dontbrattback...
"We did not sign Riordan to decorate the bench!"
Who said that?
See: "the shape of things to come...2007"
Page 1888.
G.Strachan.
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*******NEWSFLASH********
BIG JOE WAS SPOTTED IN GLASGOW AIRPORT.... BY......... YES YOU GUESSED SINGAPORECELT..... I THOUGHT HE WANTED A FIGHT BUT HEY WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN ME, HE'S TOO BIG!!!
HAIL HAIL
SPCWHOISGOINGTOTHE
TOWNTOGETDRUNK!!
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ryan o'reilly
"I seem to have upset the "Quo roadies on here today"
NICE ONE!! LOL!!
brattback
I think the Delmeister, is working on his fitness, just now!!
The reason I think that this may be worth a try, is that he has scored between 15 and 20 goals for the Hi-Bees for the last couple of seasons, so he knows the route to goal!!
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mike
That sounds like bliss to me!!
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keepthefaith @ 10.36
I can't see Joe Lewis investing in the Darnel again. Especially not now that they have Spurs and an interest in a few other European teams. The idea for them was to invest in teams that could virtually be guaranteed to be in the CL every year. That's now no longer the case with Rangers.
And contrary to popular belief, Enic did NOT get burned by Rangers (Georgiebhoy67 @ 10.58). They're far too clever for that. Trust me!
