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Hi all
Has anyone been to see this show? if so can you recommend it?
On Our Way To Lisbon
'This is a two man play with a cast of thousands.' Mail on Sunday
On Our Way to Lisbon tells the story of how, in 1967, Glasgow Celtic became the first British team to win the European Cup with victory over the mighty Inter Milan.
Two fans look back and fondly recreate how the Bhoys in Green and White beat the hardest team in the world and draped Europe in green, white and gold.
The whole mad and magnificent campaign comes to life as the two supporters become everything from a vicious Swiss football team to the entire population of Lisbon!
Put on those scarves, dust off your passport, and come with us as once again Celtic steam-roll over the best teams in Europe to become the immortal Lisbon Lions.
'A goal by goal account of Celtic's victorious run. Enjoy the memories!' The Scotsman
On Our Way to Lisbon
King's Theatre Edinburgh
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1st? surely not
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Questions for the board ;
1. Investigate the dissolution of the alcohol ban for Football matches. The law is from 1981 , official secrets get released earlier. The Times have moved on. If the English clubs can do it so successfully so can we. Drink problems are down to binge drinking before a game. Man.U should be the bench mark for this. Their alcohol sale methods are second to none.
2. Any chance of redevelopment around Parkhead? Tarmac the coach park would be a start. Some small facilites around the outskirts of the ground would be helpful (toliets etc.). Future development of outer concourse(s) (superbar theory) like boltons reebok stadium for example are they on the agenda? If no funds or plans are forwith they should be acted upon to improve our image. Rundown areas around the grounds outskirts do the club a diservice. Revenue can be made if more amenities are availible in the vicinty of the ground. To Cut a long ramble short is there plans for a Celtic Village.
P.S. On Snspix , there's a few pics of Lennoxtown taking shape , under this weeks photos.
CLICK HERE
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Lets here it for the bhoy
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podium?
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Hi Paul,
What do folk think on Bobo Balde, will he improve the defence if played or does the current team style rule him out?
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hoopsterhammy67 - say the play last summer at the Kings in Glasgow, pretty good. No great suprises in it, but well done.
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Edward,
Keep your hands off our centre-halves.........just because your centr-halves are mince doesn't mean you can come sniffing round ours ;-))
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Have to agree, Paul. I feel the workrate and form of Naka has also contributed to a comfortable return for the Telf.
Many apologies Murdy ;-)
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hoopsterhammy67
yes, i saw it in belfast a wee while ago. loved it and would recommend it.
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TheLeftWinger :- While I enjoy a plate of mince as much as the next man I do wish our centre halfs were a bit more meaty :-) I do have to admit it's probably the biggest area of worry in the team a good defensive centre inspires confidence in the rest of the team where just now cross balls tend to cause panic.
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EdU-if you think,assuming the default formation is 4-4-2, the strength of the team is along the spine then you would want a settled pair of centre halves,a settled pair of central midfielders,and a settled pair of strikers.
Caldavaro and Mick are playing well,barring injury or suspension BB might find it difficult to get back in.Similarly,and perhaps more surprisingly,supposing the Skipper and young Sno look to be playing really well together then Gravesen may have to wait his turn.Upfront Highlife and JVH are the #1 pair,so I think Majic will make way there,unless he finds a rich vein of form again.
The other parts of the jigsaw include:
John Kennedy[d.v.]makes a full recovery.He is a better footballer than BB,and may fit our new,less robust playing style.
BB,like A.Thompson,is on big money.Bidding him farewell would get the wagebill down,which may be important if Shaunaldinho stays,and becomes a big earner;or if he goes and we have to fund a replacement.
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p8ddy
Given your definition from the last thread 'non-sectarian' would have sufficed then!
Celtic are a football club open, as you rightly say, to everyone, but Celtic are known for the fact that their supporters are of predominately RC origin. Blethering on about ethos I have no doubt makes you feel like the thinking man moving among us - influencing us here - putting us right there - but any Celtic supporters I've met wouldn't know a 'non-sectarian ethos' if it bit Derek Johnstone on the a**se!
Would you be comfortable amongst us Edward? I bet you wouldn't - nor I amongst you my friend!
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EdwardUrsus
On Bobo, not sure but if he could improve the Celtic rearguard but he would undoubtedly improve your teams (hypothetically speaking only) ;-)
On the AGM, someone mentioned the merchandising issue at pre-season games. At the Chivas game (in NY) there was very no official presence on that front, real opportunity missed as there were about 10,000 Celtic fans present. Many of the fans were family groups, who would be the target market!
Otherwise, can't really complain the way things are right now.
Hail, hail.
Sin é SK.
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from the last blog.....
my tuppenceworth for the AGM... if one of you shareholder types could put forward comments on behalf of a mere fan then that would be greatly appreciated ;-D
1. Sign Shaun Maloney
2. What is the plan for progressing to a debt free position? I completely agree interest payments are a waste of scarce resouces.
3. Linked into 2. Are we considering alternative ventures to speed up this process, as opposed to simply paying back the debt through end of year profit? Again, I put forward proposals for the complete redevelopment of the Celtic 'Superstore' (too small, generally mince), acquisition of the primary school at the entrance to Kerrydale Street, acquisiton / development of some form of licenced drinking area adjacent to the ground (why on earth do third party pubs make a fortune from us when the ordinary punter should be able to enjoy a pint within the stadium concourse - but not inside the stadium - knowing that all profit from the said pint is going directly to the club??????). Strathclyde Police / Council Licencing excuses are not sufficiently acceptable.
4. What is being done to dovetail the development of Celtic Park with the development of the National Sports Area at Parkhead? Specifically, improved access to the stadium, parking, public transport, decent walkways etc.
Here endeth the rant.........
SurveyorCelt
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Big Liam
Plans are afoot to develop areas round about the ground.
Work has already started at the old Belvidere hospital in London Rd. (Belvidere Village)
A new sports centre is to be built on the spare ground at Springfield Rd/London Rd.
and if the commenwealth games are awarded, then the whole area will be transformed within the next few years.
I certainly hope it happens, as the whole area has been sadly neglected, over the decades.
Lets hope the transformation on the park, can also continue.
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i've made my feelings know at length on the SM situation so i'll leave that for know, but i'll just make a couple of points
I dont see how a celtic poker room is anymore controversial than the celtic credit card which has been around a while
on the subject of sponsership, first of all, I may be worng but I'm led to believe that barca are actually paying UNICEF for the privilege of putting their name on the shirt(a donation of approx 1.3m euros) cynics have indeed suggested that it is a ploy to allow a smooth handover to a corporate sponser. only time will tell but regardless it is a fantastic gesture which gives great exposure to a charity, even if for the wrong reasons it is still right, if you get what i mean
as for our sponser, there may well be a casual link between alcohol sponsership and the abuse of alcohol by minors. a far more obvious cause is that all walks of society are out getting blootered from an early age, this is the example minors follow, far more so than the name on a football shirt, very few of these miners are drinking carling
of course most would prefer not to use alcohol sponsership but most celtic fans(myself included) will sacrifice some ethics(assuming nothing illegal or deragotary) in the pursuit of maximum income to give the best team possible. what i have wondered is considering our continued success over our glasgow rivals, high-profile worldwide tours, and said rivals sanctions for anti-catholicism, why can we not attract an individual sponser on a bigger contract than the joint carling one?
on a completely different change of topic, their are a good few lads heading out to lisbon on monday with me on monday. i informed them off the plan for the jungle boys banner and what had happened, and posted a pic of the predicted banner taken from a link on the last article. one of my mates who has excellent spanish(not portuguese as he admits) replied with this
" By the way- don’t want to be pedantic, and I admit I only speak Spanish, not Portuguese, but to my eye that text on the back of the short looks like an extremely cringe-worthy attempt to translate “You’ll Never Walk Alone”. It looks like they have just opened a dictionary and picked it out word-by-word, which of course simply does not work and is the cardinal sin of translation. I reckon what they have ended up with actually means pretty much: “You intention never walked only”. But then I could be wrong- maybe Spanish and Portuguese are less similar than I thought! If you know the lads involved I would ask them to run it past someone Portuguese to get the proper way of saying it as if I’m not wrong and it is indeed Double Dutch then (a) people in Portugal will have no clue what it means and certainly won’t get “You’ll Never Walk Alone”, and (b) their good gesture is in danger of being viewed as confused and cringeworthy rather than a heartfelt good gesture."
of course it would be too late to change as im assuming it was made long ago but any portuguese speakers confirm that translation?
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Kitalba
In the last thread you state
Just wanted to remind you that Celtic is a PLC.
I remember asking someone in Thailand who a picture of John Lennon was. His answer was that he was a foreigner´! He was right as well.
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More questions or point's to put to the board.
1. Sort the ball boy's out. They all sit next to each other, either behind the goal, or along the touch line, they are too close and If the ball goes out around the corner flag there's not a ball boy near enough.
2. Can we no get they fancy advertising boards, the electronic ones, Team's in Spain have also some In Engalnd, I'm sure I even saw them at Wisla Krakow stadium.
3. When the guy's reading out the team's, could the big screen's not show a clip of the player? ie
Boruc making a wonder save
Miller scoring against Rangers
McGeady skinning a player
Telfer ??? I'll get back to you on that one. (JOKE calm down)
I know these are small point's, and It's changed day's that there Is no real talking point's to be brought up at the A.G.M.
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P8ddy from previous blog...
"We pollute the environment, we exploit the weak, and all the while we put off fixing it until we've made our own little pile of cash.
Wow! What a line! Hats off to you sir! You could write a great song round that one! Seriously! John Lennon would've been proud of that one!
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Paul...
"Paul Telfer has not improved as a player, but the movement, options and cover around him has."
That's the point I was trying to make in a previous blog. Thanks for putting it a whole lot better!
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http://www.blogger.com/profile/9882337
don't understand your point sir
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ANNAOAN,
Aplogise.
Don't understand your point sir.
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smell_the_glove_once_again
As far as I'm aware someone from the Jungle Bhoy's got a translation from a portuguese person. Even down to putting accent's above certain letter's to make them present tense & not past tense or future tense. Or vice versa. But as far as I'm aware they changed the wording a few time's in acordance.
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Paul Telfer brings me nicely to yesterday when I attended (thanks to CQN and the Godfather) -
'Dinner with WGS' and other Celtic Icons.
Excellent day at Celtic Park with Tom Boyd, Darren Jackson, Tosh McKinlay, Bertie Auld, Joe McBride, Bobby Lennox and Stevie Chalmers all in attendance along with Gordon who answered questions from the audience for a while.
Too many stories etc to mention, Gordon was excellent imho - showing his beliefs and ambition for Celtic whilst displaying his distaste for journalism in this country.
Couple of crackers -
Paul Telfer played on Saturday with a fillet steak in his boot (an old trick for those with injuries apparently) to mask the pain.
In response to a question on January transfer targets Gordon claimed to have 'about 35' and at least 3 for each position.
On the reserves / youth policy he said that while we have great teams / great units we don't have many great individuals (he did mention Grant / Ferry and Cuthbert) and complained that we are too weeeee.
Great day.
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Kitalba
My point is sir , that Celtic is a plc. You are correct of course. It was also once a charity organisation. For me Celtic is a way of life and a philosphy. More than a football club is how the catalonians label their own beloved club. If your view is that Celtic is a public limited company nothing more amd nothing less then with the greatest respect and no insult is intended here, then you are ignorant similar to the Thai laddie who was completely unaware of who John Lennon was and called him a foreigner. "just another white boy" Both right but both WAY WAY of the mark imho. If you catch my drift. If you dont then please no insult is intended.
Hail Hail
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anyone know why mr miller was known as Ken Miller on the big screen on saturday?
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Let's be honest,not long after Bro Walfrid left the Club it's ethos became much less altruistic;in fact it's not an exaggeration to state that the driving force behind professional football in Scotland was Celtic.What is also not in doubt is that the altruism of the Club's founders has been carried on,in many instances on an unofficial basis,by the supporters.The banners of the JungleBhoys are a case in point.The support are the keepers of the Flame;the watchers of the Soul-the Board are the hoarders of the Biscuit tin,willing to lie down with the likes of Nike,and Coors.
The Board are clearly intent on chasing every source of income,with varying degrees of success and competence.Suppose the big Nike deal had gone to the plucky wee team from the other side of the river-the bogpapers would have loved that.
What may be possible cf Barca,is for the Club to approach UNICEF with a view to shirt sponsorship when the current deal is due for renewal.The problem with Carling are not only with the nature of the product but the fact that the parent company,Coors,are in many ways the unacceptable face of capitalism.
On a happier note,I was talking to someone who works at St Joe's in Dumfries yesterday.He says'hundreds'of people come every year to visit Bro Walfrid's grave.
Mas un club...
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Smell the glove I think the guys changed the wording as this was pointed out so it may be a down level picture you saw. They passed everything by Benfica and some sort of fan group to make sure it was ok.
P8DDY im dissapointed you used children in the last blog to try and get a point over about gambling. Never in anyones wildest dreams can these 2 be talked about in the same breath. And that is the last I will talk about it as I dont want to get dragged into an arguement on what is acceptable to people as that is not to ANY sensible person.
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dontbracttbackinanger,
I've always thought that the founding ethos of Celtic was a fundamentally conservative one (not leftwing as many fans seem to think).
What is more conservative than ecclesiastical charity? The church doing the work of the state?
Margaret Thatcher would surely have approved...
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TMC-in the early days of the Tour de France the riders would put a nice piece of raw steak down their shorts to cushion their gusset as they toiled up and down the Pyrenees.At the end of the day they would present the nicely tenderised[and seasoned!]steak to the local chef to cook it for supper!
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apesanteur
I've sat among Rangers supporters at Ibrox many times and felt no more or less uncomfortable than I have done at Celtic Park. It all depends who is in your vicinity and how you perceive offensive behaviour.
But I can recommend it, especially if it's a game they lose :0)
Edward, maybe we could arrange some exchange visits to promote cross cultural understanding. I'm afraid in the current situation we'd get more pleasure out of it than your lot would.
I've never felt threatened at Ibrox, not even the time when my son, through thoughtlessness on my part, took his jacket off to reveal his Ajax away strip, the old green and white one. Might have been different if it had been the hoops I suppose, but even at ten he had enough sense not to wear them to Ibrox.
The only grounds I have felt uncomfortable in a threatened way among the home support have been Hearts and Motherwell.
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Paul
The team as a whole has improved this season. each department is doing their job.
All the work put in by Gordon Strachan and the players on the training ground, is for all to see during matches.
I have heard a few players commenting on this recently on Celtic TV.
I have never seen Neil Lennon looking fitter.
I would comment that I would like to have seen players who haven't had many games, being introduced in the recent games Falkirk and Motherwell. This would tie in with your point that is easier to introduce players when the team is winning.
I can understand his team selection. Although, you can train all week, but games are where you get your sharpness and fitness.
I appreciate the Celtic/WGS Masterplan. Exciting times ahead.
Here is an alternative Masterplan, look out for the animated swagger.
Alternative Masterplan
Heraldo
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ANNAOAN.
You have focused on one line in a post.
The point of that post was to point out to an earlier posters, who was alluding to possible deception, or out right lying, by the board of CFC.
The line you quote was the first line in a very brief explanation of the laws that govern the behaviour of PLCs’ in general and Celtic PLC and their office holders in particular.
It is not my view that Celtic is a PLC; the reality is that Celtic is a PLC.
What other alternatives do we have to progress in our existence as a football club other than being a PLC.
Of course we are more than that but that was never the point that I was attempting to communicate to a named poster.
Maybe on reflection you may think the choice of word, ignorant, to be somewhat inappropriate.
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DBBIA While I don't know enough about the players mentioned to give an opinion I agree with you that a settled strong spine running through the team is important, it allows a teams flair players to try the moves and tricks that can win games while hopefully intimidating the other teams flair players.
Lenny'sPRMhan :- I couldn't argue with that at all, it was thinking on a similar player (Marvin Andrews) who didn't fit in with the new style and playing philosophy at Ibrox that brought the question to mind.
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jackd
It is a very minor quibble but the positioning of the ballboys is something I've wondered about at times.
Why do 2 of them sit right behind the goals when that is the one place that the ball is almost guaranteed not to go? i.e. if the ball is heading towards them the net will stop it. Why aren't they positioned between the goals and the corner flags?
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Apesanteur :- Only if I wanted cured from a severe case of constipation :-)
Chennaiseabird :- While that would be a good idea in theory sadly I think it would be just asking for trouble.
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ItaliaB-agree 100% that the Church is conservative,but there have been many examples of priests and other clergy who have had a more liberal outlook.Bro Walfrid may have been one,and more recently in Latin America there developed 'liberation theology',in which priests working in the slums and barrios came into conflict with politicians and in some cases their own hierarchy.
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Kitalba,
I do not want to have a cyber battle over this as we obviuosly have differing opinions on this one. I think its a cheap shot to shoot down madmitch´s as simply a gloom and doom merchant. As I stated before most of his points are relevant and legitimate. So I read that post of yours and did not concur with it. While I am not stating that the board indulge in deliberate criminal behaviour I would state that negligent behaviour can be percieved as being just as criminal. Some people have longer memories and are less forgiving that is nature.
Celtic is a football club and a way of life for many. Sometimes "the watchers of the soul" of the club conveniently hide behind the machinations of "the plc" when failing to implement appropriate Celtic policy.
Would you prefer the word "naieve" or shall we just accept a differing of opinions in a civilised way on this one.
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martinobhoy
Agreed mate, anyway what would it cost to have another 3 or 4 ball bhoys? A few track suit's, and burger and juice at half time?
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Whilst we are being ethical - surely it would be fresh fruit and water at half time for the ball bhoys?
I think the two behind the goal are there for entertainment during old firm games - Henrik's chip in 6-2 was made all the more memorable by those two.
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martinobhoy
When Henrik chipped Klos during the 6-2 game much of my pleasure was derived from the antics of the ball boys behind the goal!
They also know they'll likely not be on the telly if they position themselves between the goals and the corner flag :o)
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TMC
Vale men thinking alike!
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thismancraig
That's true, the sight of the ball bhoys celebrating was great.
And your prob right about the half-time refreshment's, but i would have another 4, situated near the corner flags, and yes just leave the two behind the goals for comedy value. ha ha.
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Organically grown, free trade fresh fruit and recycled rainwater...?
(Taxi's order, hat and coat on way....)
G
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I hate Halloween.The whole trickortreat bollocks.
And Guy Fawkes.
Maybe CQN could provide extra volunteer ball bhoys.We could keep up a running commentary on the game,saying things to the players directly instead of sitting at work in front of a keyboard e.g. Shaun my son-when are you signing your new contract?
Telfmeister-we are not worthy!
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Awe Naw
Personally I prefer 'n-a-i-v-e'.
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TheBarcaMole said...
At 2:00 PM, thismancraig said…
Whilst we are being ethical - surely it would be fresh fruit and water at half time for the ball bhoys?
I think the two behind the goal are there for entertainment during old firm games - Henrik's chip in 6-2 was made all the more memorable by those two.................
Agreed, great entertainment........One of whom I believe was a young(er)David Marshall?
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Only mad dogs and Vale men...
Do we adopt ethical ball bhoys or implement operation Boavista...
No chance of returning the ball when ahead / return as many as possible when needing a goal?
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Peanutarse:-)
"naïve" would be more ethnically correct however
Is your real name Mrs. Donnelly taught at St. Kentigerns West Lothian circa 76-81 ? :-)
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ANNAOAN.
Your last post is more revealing.
You were not in fact taking issue with that particular line, but in my response to an earlier poster.
I can’t be bothered arguing the point, no disrespect but I’m up for work in just over five hours.
I’ll accept the differing of opinions.
But tell me ANNAOAN. If that child in Thailand had held up a picture of a local famous musician, and you couldn’t put a name to the face, would that have made you ignorant or just naive?
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El Diego Bhoy, thismancraig
Yes those two helped make that goal even better especially when you watch it on DVD with the camera behind the goal.
Their reactions as the ball sails over Klos then dips into the net are priceless.
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Edward, I do not think that Bobo will improve the defence.
Great in the air, but he does not like the ball at his feet (neither do I).
Sometimes your ‘best defender’ does not make it into your ‘best defence’.
Surveyorcelt, lots of developments to come between CP and London Road.
Cheers Miketw10.
Heraldo, agree on Neil Lennon. I could make an argument for saying that this is his best seasons at CP.
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Kitalba,
btw I agree with your 5 hour stance and it would take that long. It´s a pity that those that do get paid by and who work for Celtic in an official capacity take a similar stance.
A local famous musician - "John Lennon" !!!!!!
that´s the kind of rebuke I´d expect from BQ at the AGM to a pertinent question.
In answer to your question the child who was in his thirties, as far as I am concerned was uneducated and ignorant not naive in the slightest,
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miketw10...
Wow! What a line! Hats off to you sir! You could write a great song round that one! Seriously! John Lennon would've been proud of that one!
Thank you! :-)
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greenlion2...
P8DDY im dissapointed you used children in the last blog to try and get a point over about gambling. Never in anyones wildest dreams can these 2 be talked about in the same breath. And that is the last I will talk about it as I dont want to get dragged into an arguement on what is acceptable to people as that is not to ANY sensible person.
It wasn't a point about gambling. It was a point saying that Celtic should not involve themselves in exploitative ventures. I stand by my comments, and I did qualify it by saying it was absurd. I'm sorry however that it offended you.
We'll have to diagree on it's relevance, despite the absurdity.
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apesanteur...
Given your definition from the last thread 'non-sectarian' would have sufficed then!
Sectarian covers a wider ground, but I thought it was important to mention. As you say, sectarian would have sufficed, but making a supporting comment was, I thought, worth it.
Celtic are a football club open, as you rightly say, to everyone, but Celtic are known for the fact that their supporters are of predominately RC origin. Blethering on about ethos I have no doubt makes you feel like the thinking man moving among us - influencing us here - putting us right there - but any Celtic supporters I've met wouldn't know a 'non-sectarian ethos' if it bit Derek Johnstone on the a**se!
I don't think the demographics of the support matter particularly. And I don't think that mentioning words like ethos makes me any more of a thinker than anyone else. Certainly, I am amongst many thinkers on CQN, so in that regard I would only consider myself as amongst peers. I also prefer not to second guess what my fellow fans think. It could be argued that doing so, and assuming the worst, would make me the very thing I rail against. I think you do the Celtic support a great dis-service by labeling them such. It smacks of the old "paki's smell" taunts prevelant in the 80's. When challenged the accuser would always try and qualify the statement by saying "well every one I've met does"...I don't think it qualifies it, and I think it simply shows that someone has chosen to misrepresent and slur a group of people. I'm not accusing you of being racist, or being a bigot, I'm just trying to illurstrate how entrenched views sometimes become so through biase rather than fact. It's an odd human condition that we frequently think the worst of people.
Would you be comfortable amongst us Edward? I bet you wouldn't - nor I amongst you my friend!
Why would I not be comfortable around Edward? Because he supports another team? I have to sit amongst and communicate with people on a day to day basis that I have far less in common with than that. We tend to take football rivalry to extremes. Everyone does. I would have no qualms sitting next to Edward Ursus. He's a decent human, and from what I can gather a good guy. That he supports a different team? I can live with that (although I'll continue my attempts at conversion). If my idealogical divide only runs as deep as football support we'l get on like a house on fire. Even at a Celtic Vs Rangers game. I can empathise with someone who hates seeing their team lose a goal and can identify with a suppoters loving his/her club. On that basis I'd have no problems. :-)
Of course, if you mean the baying hoardes that sing "f*ck the pope"? I am troubled having to sharing a planet with these people, never mind a football ground.
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When is the AGM?
Thursday?
There's a general lack of excernment both on and off the pitch,leading to a lot of niggling squabbles,like bairns in the back of the car,stuck on the M6.
We need some meat to chew on,like Telfmeister's Predators.
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Paul67 said...
Sometimes your ‘best defender’ does not make it into your ‘best defence’.
I agree with the comment, but I think Bobo would improve the defense immeasurably. I still don'tt hink that Caldwell is an effective centre half. Although I do think there is room for him in the team as a defensive midfielder. His passing is good, his positioning in decent, but he gets caught out at the back a lot (I feel). I also think he's benefiting from his partnership with the most improved player at Celtic park, and also the best of the "youth" players to break through - Stephen McManus. McManus has blossomed into a very good defender, and if he keeps up with his potential, he'll be a Celtic great. Credit to Gordon Strachan for overseeing his development very effectively (and I bet you thought that wouldn't be a rubicon you would see me passing!). :-)
Heraldo, agree on Neil Lennon. I could make an argument for saying that this is his best seasons at CP.
On another note of unheralded positivity surrounding the team, I agree. Lennon is looking in the best shape of his career. Although his performances are not coming as shock to me. The likes of Lennon should be able to continue for a while yet, given the required support from the rest of the midfield. Principally, this has came from Majic realising that he must put in a shift - what a change in his all round play! Of course this then means the midfield are a little better equiped to do a full days work, with Naka and Aiden both due praise for their hard work and support in defence as well as attack. Lennon is doing his bit too, playing some killer through balls as well as the customary "percentage" play that I so admire.
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Does Chick Young read this blog or is it just a coincidence that he has used a phrase on his BBC column from the Pink Panther that I used on here on the 18th October:
My post:
Paul - a couple of days ago you were convinced the presence of JVOH was going to be critical to getting a result last night, I would have agreed. As Closeau once said, always expect the unexpected.
Chick´s BBC column October 25th:
With Heart of Midlothian always expect the unexpected.
Funnily enough he doesn´t acknowledge he is quoting from the movie.
Chick´s view
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p8ddy
Got to disagree with you, prob for the first time as I almost always agree with what you say.
Caldwell Is doing a fantastic job at centre half, and If anything It's him that's Bringing the best out in Big Mick.
Caldwell's organising of the defence Is almost as good as his passing, Almost.
He for me Is great captain material.
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There's a couple of amusing articles on KTF today for anyone not overly busy at work.
Oh, and FC Copenhagen are going to be allowed to sell beer at their remaining home CL matches with Celtic and Man.Utd. It just gets better.
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Complete change of topic, I hope we don't make our Asian prospects learn the language like this:
http://www.glumbert.com/media/tonguetwister
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TheBarcaMole,
how you been keeping?
Looking forward to the shindig next month?
My wee Da leaves next week to join you shower of lucky gits.
Make sure you have a pint or five with him,will you?
Wee Kano
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We all talk Celtic on the way to games, our conversation was around Bobo on Saturday.
IMO Bobo is our best defender, i have said for seasons, I would ask Bobo to defend and not to try and play football, this is where he becomes undone at times. First and foremost he is a defender, he should defend.
Without doubt as an out and out defender, he is our best.
Although, we have no reason to change at moment, the ghuys in possession are playing well.
Bobo, will have to wait his chance. As did Shaun, with the form of Aiden.
The defence is better, as the whole team is defending. All successful teams defend from the front. Best example Ian Rush whilst at Liverpool, he was arguably Liverpool's best defender. Miller also has this skill.
Neil Lennon, i criticised at times last season. This season he has been immense. How long can he play for? As long as he likes in the form he's in at moment.
Heraldo
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Paul,you mention lots of development to come between CP and London Road.
Couple of questions.
Does Celtic own the land?
Is the development in mind to further develop and enhance Celtic Park? Like a car park/museum type of thing.
Or is it development to enhance the coffers of Celtic PLC? As many flats and houses as they can make money on.
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Kano,
Good to hear from you. Looking forward to seeing your Da again. Should be some shindig eh! No even had to publicise it, mind you I've got a dozen or so mates coming over for it, most of them have been over before a few times but no quite for something likethis. Been on a few seshs with your bro just recently. Did he tell you about watching the game against TFOD in Dub's with no drink because of Ramadan.......... surreal! don't post too much on here but read most days, well work days anyway. I leave that to you and P8ddy, don't know him at all but like his style and outlook pretty much like yourself, says it how it is. Off to Lisboa on Tuesday with one other DHCSC member. What a journey but hey who cares, meeting up with the troops. Best to all Take Care, God Bless and Hail Hail.
PS any chance of you making it over for the 'do'?????
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Anyone with a spare few weeks and an interest in all things Glasgow can have a look through this site.
http://www.futureglasgow.co.uk/
Some interesting projects under rail and road which will improve access to the newly expanded home of the European Champions (circa 2010).
TMCwho'llbeheadingfor30bythen.
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Kano, Celtic now own lots of land in the stadium area. Do not expect housing. Nice bars and restaurants, extended retail facilities, a wee bit of landscaping as well. Shrubbery as far as the eye can see.
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Hi p8ddy
You mentioned earlier that you would be willing to pay more for a Celtic shirt that was made under a fair trade contract. Two examples/ideas come to mind:
1. Coffee chains have offered fair trade products to customers for a number of years (skimming off additional profit before being caught…) and the demand for these products have been particularly robust so it is clear consumers are willing to pay a ‘moral’ premium for some goods.
2. Celtic shirts are available from a number of retailers and are typically between £5 and £10 cheaper than if you were buying direct from the club. This offers a somewhat natural experiment if we were able to get hold of the data showing sales from competing retail outlets. Now fair trade celtic shirts will increase the cost of all shirts regardless of retailer but the above stats may just go someway to showing a willingness to pay (more) from the celtic support.
On the Nike/Sweatshops debate, I am afraid that i do not know much about Nike’s contracting practices so I can’t comment but I have spent a little time looking at ‘sweatshops’ and their role in the developing world.
Without going into great detail as to the papers, evidence, stories etc… I find myself in a position where I believe sweatshops do more good than bad on balance for the workers.
I believe that anyone with a few brain cells will be upset by the conditions often seen in these kind of factories but the debate requires context. These workers work longer hours than we do, doing basic tasks that we wouldn’t do, work in intolerable conditions and do it all for very little money. However, these factories are so often over subscribed for workers that it shows even this existence is thoroughly preferable to the abject poverty that is the only other alternative.
Throughout history, from our own industrial revolution to the rising of Taiwan and South Korea as economic powers, it has been shown that people are willing to come in from the country to work in these factories. It makes it hard for me then to agree with policies that would deny these people these opportunities (i.e. the boycotting of Nike et al products).
I don’t think it is possible for us to demand western companies operate to western standards as this would only make them move away from these areas and thus deny the locals of much needed jobs. What I think we can do is demand that our companies operate to the best local standards and continue to improve these over time. The cases of South Korea and Taiwan (economically, not politically) have been a success as they embraced western firms and competition amongst ‘sweatshops’ drove up standards and wages for factory workers.
Conclusion? Buy more from sweatshops and create competition for these workers by encouraging more investment in factories, not less.
McStay
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A few weeks ago on Etims, someone suggested the East End was the new West End.
Paul, from your last comment it looks as though you think so too.
I have it on good authority that a gang-war broke out at about the same time as they were levelling the ground on which to construct Parkhead Forge over the "nicking rights" to the shops that would eventually appear.
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The Parkhead forge-what used to be Beardmore's?
Some might say that was a sweatshop.
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I was told once, by someone I trust, that the club was quietly building up it's land portfolio as plots became available around Celtic Park, in much the same way as Manyoo did/do around Trafford Park.
But not only around Celtic Park. Also around the Merchant City area too.
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Campbell and Woods (Dreams and songs to sing)say that the immediate purpose of the club was to raise funds for charity.The club could not afford an infancy and a childhood but had to be successful financially ,and on the pitch from the very start.
The tension between being a charitable institution and a successful business venture remained as an uneasy truce between God and Mammon which was accepted on the basis that to fulfill the charitable function funds had to be raised.An effort to render unto God the things that are are God`s and to Caesar the thing`s that are Caesar`s.
Three years after Celtic Park was built with much of the labour volunteered free by the Irish community,the Glasgow Observer carried a report that certain men ,players and officials had blossomed into publicans.The point being ,of course ,that many of those that built the stadium and that the club had been established to assist had families devastated by the scourge of alcoholism.
We seem now to be engaged in a headlong rush to leave Scotland and get our feet under the same table as Me Berlusconi,Mr Glazer, and Mr Abramovitch.I know somebody will produce the stats to say that like Smashy and Nicey we are still doing our bit for charidee.However I cannot help but feel that the ideal of identification with the poor and oppressed cannot survive getting into bed with these gentlemen.
The compromise at the heart of the club will be unravel and we will find the truth of the adage no man can serve two masters.It may well be that we have little room to manouvre if we wish to compete at the highest level.Nevertheless the question must be posed what does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but suffers the loss of his soul.
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great no 8
I agree with you entirely. There is in any event some hypocrisy in western countries who went through the same things 100 years ago, and used that form of production to get to where they are now, to now demand "higher" standards of countries just setting out on that journey of industrialisation.
Still, I see a severe bolding coming your way! (or mine)
