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lovejoy.whowantstoknowwhokidnappedpablo
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Good news all round Paul.
Hail Hail
GingerAvenger
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Could he also have trespassed on Iranian territory?
lovejoy.whonowreallythinkspablosaspy
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Great to see the scouts are busy. I love this idea of getting 3/4/5 players lined up for each position. Nothing worse than being held to ransom.
Really big game tomorrow. Fancy Gravesen to be given a license to roam forward and create a bit of havoc as he always does. Better to do it in the opposition box than in ours!
What are the odds on us getting a penalty tomorrow????
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When does the transfer window open? June 1st?
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lovejoy
Yes but doesn't really matter when it opens as deals such as the McDonald one can be done in advance.
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truetime, strachan has said this about 3-5 targets per position for a while yet it always seems to come down to the last minute if its so well planned how is this i am bemused by it at times, but maybe it just never becomes public. and signign macdonald may be start of a different trend
with wilson and telfer out, could we finally see doumbe? and naylor back on form after a break
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Paul,
Lets hope the players are genuinely upset by the defeats in the League because we definitley couldnt afford another one -- huge leads in sport are lost because of one or two aqpprently small shifts in balance can change the overall momentum.
I'm actually more nervous about this game than probably any other this season for that reason.
A win and only a win is enough -- as someone else said on here a few days ago maybe Black Sunday still affects us -- it certainly still affects me.
I'd be happy to think I'm the only one who's only one more bad game away from beginning to flap , but I suspect not.
C'mon the hoops !!
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Will we be seeing Doumbe at right back tommorow then?
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website now confirms McDonald signing...
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Celtic must have been holding back until after the press conference, keep the focus on tomorrow's game.
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So tomorrow's team could be:
AB
JJPD
Presley
O'dea
Naylor
Nakamura
Hartley
Lennon
Mcgeady
MZ
JVH
3 points tomorrow are just what the doctor orders to unfrazzle a few nerves.
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JVOH is fit.
Magic scored mid week.
All are well rested.
Telfer to team up alongside Nakamura.
McGeady full of confidence after his successful game for Ireland.
Pressley and O'Dea rested and raring to go.
Gravesen and Lennon to strangle the midfield.
What's not to like? Four or more.
'GG just looking in.
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I dont think Doumbe is in the provisional squad for tomorrows game. Am I right in saying we will pay a fee for him if he makes first team football?
Good to see Sheridan and Bjarnsson have made the squad.
The big talking point is whether Gravesen and Riordan will be in the squad. I am not so sure here.
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I was hoping to watch tomorrow with a large cigar in a rather nonchalant manner - but no - in typical Celtic fashion - its now a must win game!
I think WGS might play Hartley at right back if Wilson(again!) and Telfer are unfit.
Boruc
Hartley
Pressley
McManus
Naylor
Naka
Lennon
Graveson
McGeady
Majic
Jan
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Hi all,
Have a brief moment to post.
Lets see:
1) A post designed to (yet again) scare the support into believing that we haven't already been taken over by a businessman intent on making a profit.
2) Another attempt to distract us with a "I hate the media" story
3) A good post on the need for Celtic to concentrate on Saturday.
Surprisingly no post on what it means to be a supporter or customer!
Mmmm - wonder why?
Bye
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Paul.Good news about Kennedy getting shipped out for a couple of months to get some sharpness back into him,Good news also that Sheridan and Bjarnson are in the squad for the game to-morrow,I hope I get a glimpse of a least one of them.
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Great to see Teddy Bjarnasson at last make the squad for the game at Tannadice tomorrow.I hope he gets some of the game to show what he is capable of.Strachan has been very slow to promote him,especially in a central midfield which is hardly overflowing with quality.I'm hoping he gets a full game or two after the he league is won.
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A bit if Friday fun.
The original TG
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frankiebhoy
I know, but I'm like Big P in that "a transfer is never a transfer until you see the player on the field"
Just looking forward to transfer window expectations as we have money to spend, just wanted to know when the spree could officially start.
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lovejoy
I don't think you'll need to wait until June - the fevered speculation starts now.
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Will there be riots in Cleland again if JK is loaned out to play summer fitba?
Who plays summer fitba these days? Would he go to USA as a sweetener on the Joseph deal, over to Sweden to team up with Larsson, or to Oz as penance for the McDonald deal?
Incidentally this story suggests wee McDonald likes his beer.
stella drinker
SFTB who doesn't speak Italian
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SFTB I dont knwo about a beer but it looks like he fancies a punt. On line translation
Scott Mc Donald is the star of the small Motherwell, but still for little. The its confirmation manager Maurice Malpas: "Sicuramaente do not go away immediately, but is as much certainty that in summer go away and for him the Celtic will represent the consacrazione of a career". The gambler has then added:" I Will Love always the colors gold-granta of the Motherwell".
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Well that's drinking and gambling firmed up as vices with our new signing.
The article says "Sicuramaente do not go away immediately".
Well if sicuramaente are wee red dots in a sensitive area, we can add women to his vices too.
D'ye think Paul will tell us off for peddling gossip from our half baked translations of the foreign press? Is that no how Broadfoot, King and the rest ,make a living?
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With wannabee Brines as the ref tomorrow look out for a catalogue of shocking decisions.
This is the guy in his first big appointment booked Henrik for diving in the box v Motherwell at Parkhead,another stonewaller,he then boasted about it to his burd at the time(she later outed hin in the paper)
If he has even the slightest sniff that we are in bother we will get nothing.
He has the centre of attraction,big cheese ,numero uno,head honcho mentality, a total tube.
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SFTB.............are you telling me that Broadfoot, King and the rest actually make a living out of writing total crap?................well I never!
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Emdy ken whit's happ'ned tae the promused jam packed, bumper edition of the "Rumour Mill"?
Or was it just a rumour that there was going to be one the day?
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Hi all,
Just a quick Friday visit.
I've watched just about every one of JFK's comeback games and at times he has been impressive beyond expectations.
On his intial 15 mins against Motherwell just prior to the Benfica away match, he was clearly ring rusty and a bit off the pace. As he progressed his speed of thought, passing, adventure and physique sharpened, hardened and became even more encouraging.
His devasrtating injury is I believe a thing of the past now and he is returning to near his best.
If you go along you will see a real physical athlete strutting his stuff at the heart of the Reserve defence.
However, there always is one isn't there.
Against Ayr's virtual first team at end of Jan, he played alongside Scott Cuthbert (who if anyone remembers I didn't correctly identify on the night - mea culpa).
SC had an outstanding game and demonstrated a turn of speed, eye for anticipation, and all round agility and flexibility that made him the star of the evening.
I hope and pray that I am wrong in my judgement (not an unusual occurence) but I think that JFK may be going out to either make or break him as a Celtic player of a new breed, and while I am convinced that he will make it in football, I am not so sure that it will be with Celtic.
Darren and Scott are in the vanguard of that young new type of centre back. They not only anticipate and break up attacks, but have the inate skills to compose themselves, look up and start counter attacks.
They are first of all footballers, secondly athletes. and thirdly specifically defenders.
John, while in no way a throwback is a more traditional stopper and while he can and does break forward, he doesn't recover as quickly as some of the newer lads.
I firmly believe that JFK would have been of the same ilk, but I sadly think that the three years out following the assault by Ganea while not diminishing his abilities, has meant that his football education has been frozen.
This may be too much of a hurdle for him to overcome.
Please prove me wrong John.
hail hail
Estadio
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Who cares about transfer gossip,
If we dont get a result tomorrow life will suddenly be hell on earth,
Black Sunday 2 will be looming large on the horizon,
Get this team fired up Gordon, nobody is panicking just yet but another limp brainless performance and I'll be off the wagon.
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Am I the only 1 having problems with the blogger?
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My dear friend,Chris...@30/3/07 10.27.P.M.
Thanks a heap for your very pertinent info, regarding the Davie Mathie inquiry.
Your Super Sleuthing, emphatically vindicated, the tale as told by My Big Mucker!
Of course I never doubted his reminiscences of "way back when".... for as I said...
The big guy knows from where he speaks concerning the aggressive tendencies of Wee Davie... as he still has the scars to remind him!
May I add,this..
Your Computer Skills, are only exceeded by the Prominence of your Perspicacity!( Eh?.....ed)( Dinna fret,pal...... I just payed him a compliment!)
On another tack,which I will tack on... as an afterthought....
I read Strachan's remarks as to to the fact that The SCOUTS ARE OUT IN FORCE...searching.
Strangely enough,collie said .....
A FEW DAYS AGO....
That the Highways and Byways were OVER-CROWDED BY SCOUTS, searching high and low......
and that included the HAY RICKS.. for a Larsson Clone!
And...... They have found one!
Hmmmm!
Now, because of Strachan's recent statement.... we find that collie's promptings are well worth paying attention to.... maybe by some,at least...by others?
well.... HMMMMMFFFFFFFF!
Kojo,
Yer Pal...for ever,and a day!
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As I am out tonight with the lovely lioness (incase she is looking in) I thought I would start the music early.
More than a club
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Estadio,
I think he will suprise everybody and be back as a first team regular next season, in fact I'm sure of it, he has too much class to be frozen out, once he gets match fit he will give GS a headache in terms of deciding who his regular CBs will be.
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Greenlion - ignore the message telling you that your post never made it - its an error.
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Wee bit late again but here goes:
Davie White was procured from Clyde where he had been a player and then manager for the 1966/7 season, he led Clyde to the semis of the Scottish Cup where they went out to Celtic after a replay, starring for the Bully Wee that day was Harry Hood who’s performance over both games probably secured a transfer to the Bhoys a couple of seasons later much to the disdain of a huge portion of the Celtic support as Harry Harry had turned the leather belts down a few seasons earlier for unfashionable Sunderland. The MOTM for both games though was Wispy playing at right half for the injured Chopper.
Clyde also finished third in the League that season but were refused entry to the Fairs Cities Cup the predecessor to the UEFA Cup due to the one club per city rule; rankers who finished second, were given Glasgow's place although the Bully Wee tried in vain to claim they weren’t really from Glasgow but Rutherglen.
In an attempt to emulate the track suit manager which was becoming the vogue in football Davie was appointed assistant manager at Govan and within weeks was given the top job as scot symon the most successful manager in Scotland at that time was given his jotters while his club was sitting at the top of the League.
As we all know his reign was generally unsuccessful and he was the only hun manager not to win any major honours until the recent Opus Dei agent, culminating in his removal in 1969 after the fans started chanting “He’s White, he’s White, he’s a loada f****n’Raphael, Davie White“
He later went on to manage a very good Dundee team which took Celtic to extra time in a Scottish Cup semi replay at Hampden where only a wonder save in the dying minutes of normal time of the replay by Ally Hunter from a Doug Houston thunderbolt destined for the top right hand corner of the net saved the day for Celts who triumphed 3-0 in the extra period.
However, later that year he guided them to League Cup triumph with a Tommy Gemmell skippered side against the team who had caused him so many problems at ibrox. He left Dens Park a couple of seasons later after they had been relegated and he failed to bring them back up right away.
One interesting footnote is that while at Dens Park he was still a shareholder at ibrox which caused more than a few questions to be asked which fell on deaf ears, seemingly it's customary or was at that time for darnel managers to be issued shares.
A nice man who unfortunately had a voice that would not have been out of place singing for the Bee Gees, must have been gelded as a wean.
Ralph Brand, my Henke has there ever been a thorn in the Celtic side, he was likened tae Jimmy Greaves but in reality it would be a poor man’s version.
He had a remarkable scoring record 3rd top post war goal scorer behind the cheeky chappie and the pie man. He left suddenly as far as I can recall around the same time as Slim Jim, which was just after we had won our first trophy in eight years on the arrival of the Big Mhan, and shortly after he slaughtered his former club through the Sunday tabloids claiming they were miserable and penny pinching in comparison to the wages he was now earning at Maine Road, the club chairman and well known house builder John Lawrence replied that a hun’s bonus was enough to buy a new car to which Ralphie responded it widnae even buy you a bike or words tae that effect.
He does seem to have vanished from the follow follow memories but I’m almost certain he had a son on the club’s books at one time.
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Tontine/Edward why was Symon sacked? Was there a motive or just past his time?
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My dear friend, Edward...@30/3/07 O1:07 P.M.....
I have not forgotten your very welcome and supportive input,in respect to the Davie Mathie, quest.
Thank you, for you help.. in chippin' in !
Willie Woodburn?
According to my contacts, who were contemporaries of the above named..
"WOODBURN, was the Enigma that Churchill was REALLY REFERRING TO!"
Not my woids.....
They also say this...
Woodburn was the DIRTIEST,MOST DESPICABLE SON OF A LADY DOG.....BUT....
He WAS THE GREATEST CENTER HALF THAT EVER PLAYED FOR YOUR TEAM...Bar, NONE......
And Yes.... They are including BIG GEORDIE, in that comparison!
He was DIRTY DIRTY....
He went as far as to .......
PURPOSELY, goin' out of his way to actually imperil the Soccer CAREERS, of his unfortunate TARGETS!
Whether any of this, is an exaggeration or not...
I am not in a position to verify one way or anther...
having had never seen the man.( Dat last phrase doesn't seem quite right!...ed)( Quite right! I shall take care of that truncated English..tout de suite!)
How is this?
"NEVER HAVING SEEN, THE MAN!"
OKAY~??
S'awright!
Thank you once more, Ed.
Kojo.
Yer Pal...until.. at least... The Denouement of NEXT YEAR'S
LEAGUE RACE!
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CELTIC captain Neil Lennon's autobiography is now the biggest-selling Scottish football book of all time.
Man And Bhoy has sold 29,500 copies since August, with 7500 advance orders for the paperback version, due to be released in May.
Lennon, 35, is delighted with the sales of the book.
advertisement
He said: "I wanted to write it while I was still playing and while events were fresh in my mind.
"I'm delighted so many people thought the book was good enough to part with their hard-earned cash."
Lennon, from Northern Ireland, was praised for his openness by mental health charities after revealing in the book he suffered from depression.
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At 30/03/07 17:35, greenlion2 said…
Tontine/Edward why was Symon sacked? Was there a motive or just past his time?
*it was a shock at the time but it was also just after the arrival of davie white and rumours at the time hinted that he was to be moved upstairs in a Jimmy McGrory type of fashion as GM to allow the younger manager to run team affairs, he was part of a dying breed of the three piece suit managers who never got involved in training etc, he refused hence the sugar lump.
Shortly after he was given the Harry Wragg's job in what was seen as a "job for the boys" and later on became a director at Boghead, then again so did Sean Fallon.
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Tontine cheers.
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Something I've never been able to integrate with my inbred prejudices.
If the Scottish system is so biased, how come the only player I know who was SIN DIED (love that phrase) was a Rangers player?
This demands an answer.
Anyway, changing the subject.
I have a good feeling about Scott McDonald. Not that way, even though I have interrupted my watching of Brokeback Mountain to cook my prawns and type this.
No, I just think this guy has something. And I wish him as much wellness with us as I wished Gordon Strachan all that time ago.
Good name for the flag wavers as well. Scott scores winner for Celtic. Again.
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Kojo
You're being presumptuous again.
Next year. Race?
You mean we'll have to start running?
Well, maybe you're right. I suppose we did sprint a bit at the start of this year's walk in the park.
Tempting fait. Accompli. Moi?
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Shug
Preparing your own food!!!!!!
Cook's night off:o)
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Chennaisebird,
If I may I ask ?
Why prawns and Brokeback Mountain?
Seems to me a curious mix.
Are they king prawns ?
If It´s just fish on a Friday then I am going to be very disappointed :-)
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Afternoon/evening to Paul and CQN
I got back from Bari today and I can't believe some of the coverage I have read on the web.
Hartley and Ferguson were a disaster and gave the ball away. Ferguson has no running power and needed Brown to cover for him. That he was given man of the match....I am actually disgusted by that. He was poor, the whole side was poor but the shining lights were the confidence of Brown and Maloney.
The Italians are generally a class act but their supporters are not nice people. Really poor support from them and no sense of elegance as winners. Keep yer corrupt calcio and parliament and police force.
On a brighter note, your cafe owners and bus drivers are proper men. I salute them.
#8
p.s. If the dark side sign Lee McCulloch then I will donate £50 to a charity of Paul's choice. He is an awful player and a complete throwback.
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Kojo,
My good friend remembers Mathie as a good fast inside forward.
He is not able, as ,to put any more meat on his bones but promises me that he will find out more about him.
He asked me who wanted this information and when I replied Kojo he looked at me as if I had taken leave of you know what.
However he told me to pass on his good wishes.
Scott Symon,
Two people paid the ultimate price for the Berwick Rangers Fiasco in 1967.
The first was the centre forward Jim Forrest who never played another game for Rangers, and the second was the Manager Scott Symon.
My reading of his situation was that if Berwick had not of happened the manager would have remained in his position.
As Tontine says he was the last of a dying breed of gentlemen managers.
I cannot ever remember seeing a picture of Scott Symon dressed in anything but a three piece suit and a Black soft hat.
He looked not unlike an old time undertaker.
I was glad when he left Rangers.
Even though the tables had been turned with the arrival of Jock Stien, Scott Symon had caused Celtic such misery over many years that I was fearful of him and his reputation.
MON THE HOOPS TOMORROW,
LET US PUT DUNDEE UNITED AND THE REST OF THE PREMIER LEAGUE TO THE SWORD.
Martin.
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/w/wrexham/6511139.stm
Craig Bellamy
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/l/liverpool/6509565.stm
Arne Riise
Who would you rather play golf with ?
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/scotland/north_east/6511235.stm
How can they be fans if they didn´t go to the match ? I mean it wasn´t a sell out.
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Is this week's E.Tims Rumour Mill going to be so unbelieveable, more than usual, that they'll not post it until we're half p....d?
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My dear friend, Chennaiseaboid...
No, my friend,trust your instinctive ..."inbred predjudices".
They will nevah let you down..
Listen to this offer of an explanation as to why Willie the Steamer...was in receipt of the Ultimate Sentence as a reward for his transgression of the Rules.... Sine Die... meanin' in translation....
"WITHOUT A DAY"...without a length of sentence...
In other woids.....
FOREVER!!
I preface the following statement, in stating... I am only repeating what I have been TOLD, BY OTHERS......
The S.F.A. had no choice in the matter of handing down the Ultimate in Terms of Punishment to Mr. Woodburn.
He had indeed.... and in point of fact..... Racked up a virtual Plethora of Misdeeds, leading to several Orderings Offs, during that fateful,(from his P.O.V.,)season and also because of similar bad behavior, in preceding seasons as well.
In not so short ....It was written in the stars and also in the scars of his unfortunate targets...
That he was heading for the Mother of all Come Uppences !
No, my friend....
Your built in Prejudices did not let you down..
The S.F.A. had simply ran out of excuses to over-look his mis-named... Er.... Peccadilloes!
The kick that finally broke the Camels Leg?.....
Was that... he did indeed, Break an Opponent's leg, in earning his final ordering off.
Now I am leaving to my friend,(PRO TEMPORE?) Edward to verify if Woody did in fact, break the leg of an opposing player, in his final game...... But this is what I have been told.
Kojo.
Yer pal...until the Bane o' Prickly Heat.... is solved!
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When did David Murray turn into the blonde bombshell?
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just heard the latest apologists for tfod on clyde - after getting all the positive press about "fans policing themselves" today, a spokesman for the association of rangers fans came on to tell us what this policing actually means - will it mean vigilantes wading in to sort out the bigots? fans pointing out the bigots to the police or stewards ? supporters reporting bigots to their supporters clubs and getting them banned ?.........
err no actually - it means that the supporters association will ask other rangers fans associations to ask their members to stop singing the wrong songs......... the minty meeja give the positive spin first.... ask for the detail later
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El Diego-
you got mail.
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I'm totally disgusted with their so called efforts to stop sectarian singing etc. Why? Because I've yet to hear it said by anyone from the Darnel that they are attempting to stamp out this behaviour because it is inherently wrong to behave in this manner.
In reality they don't believe this type of behaviour is wrong but are only doing what need's must to keep UEFA off their back.
They will not change - they cannot. To do so means an end to their reason to be.
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My dear friend, Martin...
Thank you for going out of your way ,in order to satisfy my request for information in the Mathie(Did he really exist?) matter.
My dear friend Chris, supplied the indubitable verification o' Mr.Mathie's Existance!....and in Spades!
See...." Subterranean Said....30/3/07 10:33 P.M."
Thanks, once again for your... Above and beyond... the call o' duty.. in pursuit o'" Trut', Wisdom and the Am... Scottish Way!"
Kojo.
Yer Pal..... Until they figure oot how tae keep a butcher's hauns from bein' sae cauld, when he is woikin'!
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Kojo - Hope your'e enjoying Las Vegas.
A couple of weeks ago you hinted that Jarosik would be taking over from Lenny in front of the defense, recently you used a lot of words basically saying he was not putting enough effort in.
Why the change of mind? Is he really on his way out?
Oregonbhoy
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a propos of nothing, I was having a "debate" with a rangers supporting mate who happened to pick up a box of the panini SPL 07 stickers from the lounge at castle greyskull the other week for my son - 50 packets of stickers in the box, no celtic stickers in any of them. Was just wondering if we do this as well - it just seemed incredibly petty to have specially ordered packs with no celtic players ....
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My dear friend, Oregon Bhoy...
If I did say what you have quoted.... then I here and now rescind my woids as uttered, at that time!
Honestly, I have no recollection of stating that opinion.
Of course, recollection of opinions can be So, So Selective....And I am not unique in being a Practitioner, o' dat insidious Practice!
Suffice to say(Soon as that word Suffice, comes in..... my Belief in reference to the succeeding remarks...goes out the window!....ed)( ye ur gettin'wordy agin....but, ah must admit...ye sure goat sumptin' there..and ye know where tae put it!)
To continue....
My sentiments regarding the destination that I would choose for both ...Lenno and Jarosik.. should be well known, by now.
In both cases.....
To put it Politely..
"It would be nice, gentlemen, if you could possibly see a way, to vacate the premises, by June 2007"
Yes, as you possibly suspect... it is a relief,bordering on the state o' Nirvana... to be quit of that Trying Town, that could pass for a Preview o' Purgatory!
Tomorrow?
It Bears not to contemplate, the aftermath of a dismal... UNSAID!
My advice has not changed....
Strachan ship up the ship...
I demand nothing less, than....Ship shape.. an' in
Bristol Fashion!
Kojo.
Yer Pal..... until The Great Northwest... grows Cotton!
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great no 8,
My auld Dad had much the same feeling about the Scotland game. The only 2 he would give pass marks to were Brown and Maloney. I was watching the game with some mates and we simply guffawed when Ferguson was named as mom.
el diego bhoy,
I was just saying exactly the same thing to me Dad. I suppose Scotland is ultimately to blame because there has been a conspiracy of silence about how EVIL it is.
Estadio,
I have had a feeling for a while about what you say with regards to JFK. 3 years is a long time. Here's hoping he makes it.
Here's hoping the Bhoys do it tomorrow. Will we get 1 of our 15 penalties we're due? Doubt it..
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edb
I do some things myself, contrary to rumours.
Awe-naw
Just coincidence, they were just there. The prawns were good. Brokeback Mountain has a fine soundtrack, but I preferred Open Range.
Kojo
If you solve the bane o'prickly heat, you'll be my friend even in the place where it would help most.
Nah, friends anyway, in Celtic.
edb
Your 19.25 is getting a bit....didactic. The next one is just for you.
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Stephen Appiah
nicked from The Huddleboard.
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What have Rangers fans got in common with smokers and Civil Servants?
Who cares? I hear you ask, and a good question too.
I’m going to tell you anyway, because I think it’s instructional.
When I grew up in the sixties, it was not only acceptable, it was glamorous, to be a smoker. Look at the adverts. James Bond smoked, for goodness sake, and look at how suave debonair and successful with women he was. (I was not a smoker).
When I grew up in the sixties the Civil Service was a good, respectable career. And James Bond was a civil servant. (I was a Civil Servant. Should have been a smoker).
When I grew up in the sixties, Rangers supporters exalted an organisation which practised institutionalised apartheid against a minority of their fellow citizens. This was not only respectable, it was celebrated weekly in song and dance, (well song anyway, the bouncy dance bit was a later post modern innovation). And Rangers were revered in Scotland as the establishment club. (I was disqualified from playing for Rangers.Good. I'd rather smoke.)
But then it all went wrong.
The medical community and the health facists sorry philanthropists decided that smoking was not just bad for you, it was morally wrong because it damaged the health of others as well. So the poor smokers not only had to adjust to dealing with his or her addiction, they had to do it facing the full brunt of social disapproval. Poor souls.
Economics, business and the government decided that having a large publicly funded civil service was not only unaffordable, it was wrong because it wasted public funds which could be used in other much more constructive ways like reducing taxes or helping private business . So all those mollycoddled public sector parasites with the fat retirement plans had to adjust to the fact that their job was no longer respectable and it was time to enter the real world of efficient and effective private sectordom. And they had to do that in the face of some public scorn. Pour souls.
Graeme Souness decided that, if Jimmy Johnstone was out there he wanted to be able to sign him. Sadly for Graeme, he had to settle for a different Johnston but it still made sense. And to be fair to Graeme, I’d like to believe the conviction was as much moral as pragmatic. So Rangers supporters had to adjust to the new reality, that sectarianism was no longer acceptable, it was morally wrong because…..No, wait a minute, they didn’t have to, did they? They were allowed to carry on with their traditions, weren’t they? Until…..
UEFA, to the eternal shame of the Scottish Football establishment, had to tell them to stop it. So now it’s morally wrong. But wait, no it’s not. It’s just that it might damage Rangers if they carry on singing these songs. So what actually happened in Pamplona is minor in comparison with the fact that one of their own put a video of it in the public domain. It’s OK to do it lads, just don’t publicise it?
Ok, the answer to the question I started with is, “Nothing in common whatsoever.”.
It’s the difference that’s important.
It’s now accepted that smoking didn’t become wrong, it was always wrong. It’s kind of accepted that it was wrong to let the Civil Service grow to the size it reached and to protect it from market forces.
But no one at Rangers, the SFA, or any relevant part of the Scottish establishment as far as I am aware, has ever acknowledged that their anti-Catholic apartheid was wrong in the first place.
And therein lies the problem.
While that remains the case, the traditionalists can maintain their stance of defiance against a club that they perceive as just bowing to the politically correct beaurocrats of Brussels.
Any debate about who has had the more arrests, who has committed more atrocities on the road, is secondary to the fundamental acceptance by the Scottish establishment of the institutionalised sectarianism practiced for the best part of a century by The Rangers Football Club.
The cry is indeed No Surrender.
An apology, Mr Murray. Isolate the bigots forever. If it’s such a small minority, what are you afraid of?
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Excellent analogy, Hugh.
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Shug-
WOW !
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Noel
Stephen with a ph too. The acid test.
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Parkheadcumsalford/Great Number 8
Maloney looked confident yes but was it not his silly wee flicks (which none of came off) outside his own box that led to their second goal?!
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oh crap does that mean I support Rangers because I smoke ?
What if I switch to menthol ?
I'm confused
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Malone86-
are you 21 yet ?
WhiteDogHunch-
you smoke because you are on fire.
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Bryan
Menthol is cool green. I remember from the ads, when they were still allowed.
Make the switch now, before it's too late.
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Noel90
I will be soon now that they did away with purgatory and hell exists again.
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PS Bryan
But not with food. Only afterwards, and then a non menthol cigar.
What do you mean, you knew that already? I thought you were confused?
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Hugh
I'm Confucius.
meditating quietly like a coiled spring waiting on winningemmel arriving to wind him/her up.
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Noel90
Are you 91 yet?:P No still just a baby at 20... it's Malone19 by the way, name changed when the new blogger format came in for some reason to my email rather than username.
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Tontime Tim, thanks for that summary of Davie White. I remember him talking to Martin42 about Ranger signing policy when he was manager, nothing earth shattering was revealed, but when trying to sell to a Celtic fan, I think he felt the need to absolve himself of responsibility.
Great No. 8, Lee McCulloch might be out of their reach if Uefa get their way.
Hugh, 20:31, an extremely well written price.
I was listening to the knight of the realm tonight and the self same fact screamed out at me. ‘Not because it is wrong, because it will cost us money’.
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Malone-
I sussed you were Malone19 ages ago.
I'm 92 now......
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Now that malone19 become 86 doesn't mean that he's an "Auld Haun"
Welcome back Malone.
Oregonbhoy
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Davie White gave me one of my fondest memories of the mighty R*ngers.
Being in the pub when some of my Hun aquaintences walked in from the Gornik Zabrez game, 0-3 if I remember correctly, then Mr. White got the heave-ho, Ah Dignity indeed.
Oregonbhoy
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Hugh,
what's wrong with civil servants then?
thenotnakedbutshortswearingcivilservant (and no that doesn't mean I'm short and blasphemous)
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oregonbhoy
1970
Glasgow Rangers - Górnik Zabrze 1:3
and
Górnik Zabrze - Glasgow Rangers 3:1
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Zbyszek
Not sure why but I was at the game in Glasgow Rangers v Gornik. Large smiles on my face.
Was it Littbarski who was Gornik best player?
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Dharma Bam
Nothing at all wrong with civil servants (UK that is).
Just as long as they don't wear shorts in inappropriate places.
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Artur does Sean Connery.
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E D B,
You got mail,
Cheers,
Martin
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Dharma, a wee Civil Servant joke I found....
Four men were bragging about how smart their cats were. The first man was an Engineer, the second man was an Accountant, the third man was a Chemist and the fourth man was a Civil Servant.
The Engineer called his cat, "T-square, do your stuff." T-square pranced over to the desk, took out some paper and pen and promptly drew a circle, a square, and a triangle. Everyone agreed that was pretty smart.
The accountant called his cat and said, "Spreadsheet, do your stuff." Spreadsheet went out to the kitchen and returned with a dozen cookies. He divided them into 4 equal piles of 3 cookies.
Everyone agreed that was good.
The Chemist called his cat and said, "Measure, do your stuff."
Measure got up, walked to the fridge, took out a pint of milk, got a 10 ounce glass from the cupboard and poured exactly 8 ounces into the glass without spilling a drop. Everyone agreed that was really good too.
Then the three men turned to the Civil Servant and said, "What can your cat do?" The Civil Servant called his cat and said,
"Coffee Break,do your stuff." Coffee Break jumped to his feet,
Ate the cookies, Drank the milk, Peed on the paper, Scr**ed the other three cats, Claimed he injured his back while doing so, Submitted a grievance report for unsafe working conditions, Put in a claim for compensation, and went home for the rest of the month on sick leave.
I'll get my coat....
Lubo.
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chennaiseabird,
Only on my legs of course :)
I was beginning to get worried as I was being compared to a smoker and Rangers supporter.
DharmaBamwhorememberstheendofRudyardKipling'sTheBalladofEastandWest
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Wlodzimierz Lubanski
In each of that games one gift for Rangers from him. Great player. His career finished after the foul from an English player. Let me think, who it was... I need Geriavit Pharmaton.
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Dharma Bam
just don't come back on claiming Lubo's heavy coat hurt that delicate back of yours...
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Lubo,
After that, I'll help you ;)
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News just in
There is now a phone line where the "vast majority of decent R****** fans'", can leave the name/seat number/supporter's bus, of anyone of the TINT, TINY minority, who besmirch the unchallenged dignity of R^^^^^^ Football Club.
The "Shop - a Bigot" phone number is 0800 127 1690.
COME ON YOU DECENT RANGERS FANS@!!
PROTECT THE PROFIT MARGINS; SORRY THE DIGNIFIED DIGNITY OF YOUR CLUB!!
REMEMBER! IT'S FREE AND CONFIDENTIAL!
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Dharma Bam
And here was me visualising them on your head.
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EDB
It was Roy McFarland.
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Listen here, Mr White Dog with a sore back, this isn't winninggemmell, you know.
I ain't biting.
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Lubo
Godammit. I left before i got to the grade where I was allowed a cat.
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chennaiseabird,
No, that honour is reserved for my wife's (clean) underpants.
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Zurawski should learn that MASH turtle
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Kiwi Mick
Are you a-lurkin' in that other land down under!
If you are, can you answer this for me;
WHERE'S THE BLEEDIN' RUMOUR MILL??!!!
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Zbyszek
You've confused me with someone else.
EDB
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I've heard talk of cats, but never got to a senior enough grade to actually see one. In work, I only got bitten by the bugs in the carpet. I believe in bugs!
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Dharma Bam
twas not bait just a sarcastic note but I find it demeaning doing those funny wee symbol thingy's that denote posts as such.
Noseying at your profile we arney to disimilair I played in one of your favourite bands and a family member was one of 't other ones.
chin chin
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Oregonbhoy/Zbyszek/EDB...I was at that Rangers v Gornik game too.
Lubanski scored a wonder goal.
The locals were demanding White's head at the end of the game.
Rangers went to Largs to prepare and Baxter and Henderson missed breakfast,the team bus and training the day before saying that they had "slept in" having taken sleeping pills!
They both played in the 3-1 gubbing.
The fact that we won the (two) tosses of the coin that night against Benfica in Lisbon no doubt helped to despatch Mr White too.
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EDB
Wlodzimierz Lubanski was Gornik player and our National Team player.Roy McFarland was the one who finished his career later.
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Carpet? You've got a carpet?
How big is it? The carpet I mean, not the bug.
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whitedoghunch,
I have to admit those were probably the first and second times I have used "smileys". I don't really like them myself. The first time I don't know why I used it and the second time it was the only way I could think of making my response to Lubo not read as aggressive.
I'm intrigued now as to our similarities (apart from Celtic).
I suspect you're never going to crack on as to your identity, but here goes anyway; you don't have cousin who writes up the telly pages for the Herald do you?
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chennaiseabird,
That made me laugh! I do have to admit that as a civil servant, I work in premises leased from a private organisation. There's probably a trade off in that although we have a carpet, we don't always have hot drinking water. Nor can we put Christmas decorations on the walls. On the PCs, sorry workstations, yes but walls, no.
Anyway, I 'd rather have a cleaner.
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Dharma Bam 22.34
Not enough detail.
Plato
I agree about the Mill.
They set themselves up last week. And I won't accept any of this post modernist avante garde surreal verite arty farty stuff.
This is real life, people's emotions and cravings they're dealing with. They built up an expectation last week, how dare they let us down?
Who do they think they are, a football team?
Ehhr..maybe it is art after all.
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Shug,
Can you mail E D B,
E D B,
NO, NOT YET.
Cheers,
Martin.
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Dharma Bam
excuse the smiley thing never even noticed you had used them.
nothing to do with Herald telly pages person.
Best to keep our identities tae oorselves.
prost
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help
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whitedoghunch,
I am at a loss - what wee funny symbol thingys were you referring to then?
Good idea. I just wanted to know if there was someone else who liked the Triffids. It's a bit of a novelty conversing with someone who has played in bands I like.
chennaiseabird ,
Nor is there going to be! It would detract from the videos!
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There's plenty of detail on them, though...
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Dear CQN'rs
Am I not well dans la tete?
Tomorrow am I going to....(choose your own terminology) to watch ICT.
I am going purely on business terms but I have had a total "doin" from work colleagues.
Some call ie "networking"...others call "crawly bottom lick".
I am troubled. Will I retain my composure? Will I stand out like a thumb tres mal?
There is still time...confession at 10.45 after 10.00 mass...
Please advise...
Yours
SMB
I wont come back if the general consensus says so...but just think of the points deduction if Hello Hello was sung...
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Sorry to post these so late but this is the first chance I've had to log on today.
Today's Times has two excellent football articles - not directly connected to Celtic but should give us food for thought nevertheless;
England fans abuse of Steve McClaren
The downfall of Leeds Utd.
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Craigellachie10, comment deleted, it stretched the page width.
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Paul -
But that was just his name!!
Big name for a village the size of a sheet of A4 paper!
Curly
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chennaiseabird,
what is your experience of civil servants where you are now?
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curly, just for you (and me)
http://www.headshaver.org/shave_your_head.html
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Zbyszek,
If you are still on- just to let you know, as a 10 year old football player growing up in Central Scotland, Lubanski was my idol. A fantastic player who I believe would have gone on to be one of the "greats" had his career not been cut short.
Curly, How are you doing? Any thoughts on the CQN NE Chapter golf day?
LFT
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Zbyszek,
If you are still on line, Lubanski was one of my all time heros. He was a fantastic player who would have gon on to be one of the greats if his career had not been cut short.
Curly, How's it going? Any thoughts on my offer to host a CQN NE Chapter Golf Day?
LFT
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Is the blog broke?
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Another test
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EU,
If you are around, I apologise for not getting back to you last night re D. White.
Blogger problems, not bad manners.
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The Greatest day in one 14yr-olds life.
Scotland 2 England 1 1976
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test
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Ah fond memories ... Rankers v Gornik Zabreze (circa 1969). Out of a sense of mischief ( which I now recognise as being more like bigotry,) I attended that game with a like minded mate. We were 18 at the time and sensed that TFOD were going to get humped. We had seen the 1st game on the telly. My mate's gran lived in Copeland Road and we visited her before the game. We entered Ipox via that end of the ground and walked through the North terracing (now Govan Stand) and into the Celtic end. We settled down quietly to watch the drama unfold and were befriended by two Ulstermen - Sam and Willie- I kid you not, who insisted that we share their carry out. We were a bit uncomfortable with this but discretion was the better part of valour. In the 7th minute Slim Jim who had recently returned from Sunderland scored for Rankers but Gornik then proceeded to administer a football lesson and scored 3. Lubanski was outstanding. One of the performances which I'll never forget. It was hard to suppress the laughter especially after one of our NI friends said that the Catholics will be celebrating tonight and we assured them that they certainly would. Towards the end the Rankers supporters were chanting for Gornik and calling down the wrath of the godds on Davie White.
As a footnote, in the next days Daily Express columnist Willie Waddell wrote an article entitled "The Boy David" in which he began "If I were Rangers manager..." He then proceede to write his contract and was appointed as manager the very next day.
I'm now older and wiser and a bit ashamed of my behaviour - it's the sort of thing Huns do but it was a night I'll never forget.
SadiesBhoy
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test
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TomtheTim :- I've had the same posting problems myself yesterday.
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Today 12.30 at Tannidice celtic must -
- not play Hartley at right wing back
- come out the traps early and dominate
- score early
- not allow themselves to be bullied
- score muchos more goals
- secure 3 points
Thank you.
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I would like to see Hartley and Geavesen in the centre of midfield.
JVOH and Zurawski up front please.
Will we ever see Doumbe?
Would be nice to win and play well but any win will do now.
Get the points on the board and leave family club Rangers to need a win to stay where they are now.
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Shocking behaviour there by SadiesBhoy. The sort of thing that gets the rest of us a bad name.
He could at least have offered to pay for his share of the carryout.
I was at Ibrox for the first league match of Souness's first full season. Dundee United it was, as it happens.
Rangers dominated for an hour. Played some great football, Ferguson (Derek) and Durrant outstanding, 2-0 up and strolling with an hour to go. Dundee United won 3-2. What fun.
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Apologies all for the posting problems yesterday/last night.
Hugh, I remember that day when Dundee United beat Rangers at Ibrox, though I think it was four or five games into the season. Rangers first game that season was at Easter Road, when Souness was sent off for kicking George McCluskey.
Anyway, back to the day in question; we were at Kilbowie and I had a portable radio with me, not one of your personal stereos, a wireless with batteries, which was quiet a novelty back then.
The stadium announcer let everyone know that Rangers were winning 2-0 at half time, but I had the honour of announcing the United goals as they came in.
The Celtic game had finished, with the score still 2-2 at Ibrox, we were just outside the stadium when Kevin Gallagher scored the third when Paul67 announced his first scoop!
Simple pleasures.
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Paul
I stand corrected about the timing. Maybe it was their first home game.
Pleasant anyway.
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Should be a free flowing and fair game today with the efficient and objective Ian Brines taking charge.
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I think we will wipe the floor with United today. Celtic by 3 or 4, just a feeling. This should put an end to the great Rangers revival.JVOH 2 Majic 2 and 1 from Naka.
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new article published.
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good morning timmites
Be Strong today Gordon
hail hail
