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Swept away!
A good guy is our Archie, just talking to the godfather yesterday about how Ferguson sounds like Stein.
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Go on the big man
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Quite possibly the longest post I have seen on here Paul, so I'll print it out and digest it through lunch!!!
cta!
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All the Best to you too Archie, great stuff. Still my favourite commentator after 40yrs.
Hail Hail
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Archie's biography of Jock Stein is a must read for all fans.
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I think it's to Archie's credit that despite the hostility JS bore to BBC Scotland[discussed in more detail in Celtic's Paranoia,including one episode where JS publicly humiliated AM]he doesn't seem to have borne any grudges,and his biography of Mr Stein adds further to the argument that not only are we the Club with the best songs,we also stimulate the writing of the best books.
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The comments re. Rangers bullying us pre JS interest me.
I think this will be Smith's approach next season. We are a lightweight team particularly in midfield and that is one of the points WGS MUST address!
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Exceedingly good feature.
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WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOF
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Just about to head off to lovely green gweedore via the journy from hell through stranrar but thought i would post a few things.
Firstly happy easter to you all remember we are all celts so chill lads
Secondly if you have not read archies book do so soon it's a great read.
Thirdly as reagards keane yes he might manage celtic but please not for a few years. TMC not often i agree with you but you are right as regards keane six months is no track record for one of the biggest jobs in world football.
Finally enjoy the motherwell game sad i have to miss the game but my season ticket is in good hands and a few pints in sean oigs will be just as good watching it on the big screen.
Happy easter fellow tims and hopefully we can score against motherwell.
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I still remember Archie MacPherson's commentary of the 1988 Centenary Scottish Cup final.
First half, a great cross from the right gives Joe Miller an easy header from 2 yards:
There's Miller.....It must be?....No?....Oooooh, Justtouchedawaaaaaaay"
Only a week after my First Communion and that was the first Archieism i can remember
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Of course!It's Easter this weekend-maybe next year the team will give up fags/drink/ekkies/burds for Lent instead of scoring goals`¬)
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“He would not give the BBC an interview unless it was broadcast live in case it was edited out of context"
Nothing has changed in 40 years.
We still live in a country where bigots are still occupying the controlling jobs.
Its deep rooted and the SFA will never let it change.
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That was simply a great few minutes reading. Brilliant.
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Paul,
fantasic antidote to all the negativity that's been going around.
Thanks.
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Best Archie commentary is the 1985 Scottish Cup final for Provan's equaliser. "Just once in the history of the Scottish Cup final has a goal been scored direct from a free kick, is this a piece of history......it is!"
My Dad picked me up and jumped about the living room, first cup final I remember watching us win
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anyone for candy floss?
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Jim Craig was talking me about Ian Young (and specifically on that tackle) a few weeks ago.
Apparently it was totally out of character and even now he (IY) isn't prepared to discuss it...
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a lower one this time.... it must be ..........McAvennie!
88 cup final.
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I've had the good fortune to meet Erchie twice. First, when I was about 11 at love Street for what i think was Big Jocks last league game (We lost 3-1). Archie and his team were editing the first half highlights from a truck that was positioned close to the old main stand. I can't recall much of the conversation but he did give me a bit of video tape (wow!) that I kept with all of my other Celtic memorabilia for donkeys.
Second time was in a Paris cafe the afternoon after the darnel lost to AEK back in 94. I had a couple of hours to kill between connecting flights and the bold Archie, spotting my copy of the Evening Times, decided to join me for a cuppa. He didn't sound too impressed with Walter Smith and his tactics the prrevious night and assured me they'd lose the return at Ibrox too. I bet Walter wouldn't dare try on Archie what he did with Chick Young.
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I don't want media folk like Archie pointing out Rangers problems.
I'm very happy for the media to tell everyone everything is fine on Planet Ibrox.
No change is good news for us.
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haven't posted in a long while....do I now have to rearrange my name?
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Leftwinger
Did Jock (the co%%) Brown not do the commentary for the Centenary final? My memory from the game is the analyst commentating "They're going for the bold one Jock" just as we made a double sub with Mark McGhee and Billy Stark coming on when we were 0-1 down with 15 mins to go???
Not really that important I suppose
Pin 76 - totally agree with the Davie Provan free kick commentary. Class.
SC
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Never met Jock Stein but I was thrown out of a hotel in Tillycootrie by his hero. There was me dancing away with the best looking bird on the dance floor when I gets interrupted by the local hard man. Before I could say what's up doc this guy head butts me full on the bridge of the nose. Blood everywhere, before I could say get me a doc this great big giant of a man - who I later found out was George Young - in fact I think it was his hotel - grabbed me by the scruff of the neck and threw me head first out the back door. Lay in wait for the culprit who headered me but no show - later found out that he got thrown out the front door, big George wasn't a novice at throwing people out. That had always annoyed me but I don’t feel so bad now knowing that this guy was a hero of big Jock's
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Does anyone have a link to a website that gives the players used for each Celtic game for previous seasons?
CelticFC.net has information for the scores and competition etc but not the line ups.
Cheers
SC
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Great reading, Paul. Archie's take on Mr Stein laying sown the law to Sir Bob is a wee bit different to that of Hugh McIlvanney's. But they both make the same point, so I suppose you have to allow for poetic licence.
As regards Mr Stein making us harder, it was certainly needed in those days, when we were regularly kicked off the park. They still did it to wee Jinky particlualry but Mr Stein made us into a team that wouldn't just lie down. We had wee Bertie in particular, who eeked his own revenge on the more wayward of the opposition. (That is why he and not Charlie Gallagher was in the team, in my opinion.) As I said before the last rangers game, they have resorted to the tried and tested. We should be able to put out an 11 which won't be bullied by them (or anybody else in the SPL)and then play them off the park. It's no secret. Martin O'Neill's teams did it and were reviled by the old media for it.
Now let us enjoy Saturday so that we can all have a very happy Easter.
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molesrus, I think it was the Tillietudlem Hotel on the Clydeside/Lanark Road that George Young owned. Somewhere near Crossford from memory.
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Archie's book on Jock Stein is a must for all Celtic fans. It will revitalise your feelings towards the club, of how an ordinary working class non catholic Coal Miner inherited a shambles of a Football club & transformed ordinary men into great players to become Champions of Europe. To acheive so much in a climate where he was ostricised by some friends & some of his local community because of his association with Celtic tells you more than enough about what the man was made of.
I also think this post is very timely in respect to a section of our support who won't ever accept Gordon Strachan as Celtic Manager regardless of the success he brings us. This unfortunately has more to do with him being a non catholic/celtic minded (whatever that means?)rather than his ability/potential. A sad indictment of the bitterness that still exists amongst a section of our support, although the sinners will never hold their hands up to this because they're too busy patting themselves in the back & taking the moral high ground for supporting a club who allegedly embraces all faiths/religions. Is this really accurate? The club are innocent here, but a minority of the fans are guilty!
These people should have a word with themselves & realise that the unique appeal our club has is all central to Jock Stein & Brother Walfrid's outlook in life about community, spirit, a work ethic, faith, good principles, promoting youth, succeeding in life against the odds etc.
As for Archie MacPherson - well i have the upmost respect for him as a commentator, a knowledgeable football man, a fair & articulate pundit & someone who above all speaks the truth. When i hear people like Peter Martin (Maguire)on the radio with his affected commentary style to butter up both old firm audiences, it makes me cringe as he is so deperate to keep everyone happy & secure himself a safe haven in the process. Can you imagine someone like big Archie MacPherson ever contemplating such a shallow outlook.
woooooofff! McClair...buries it!
Good on ye Archie
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Scotcelt56
Absolutely correct - Geordie Young owned the Tillie Hotel
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Surveyorcelt,
Try here:
http://www.celtic-mad.co.uk/footydb/loadtmrs.asp?ssnno=135&teamno=246
Sorry can't be ersed finding out how to do the link thing.
vclxi
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Brilliant article, as per the CQN usual...
Two "absolutely fantastic" Archie moments...
Naka V Man U - Second Leg - "he can open up a tin of beans with that left foot - let's see which one of the 57 varieties we'll get here..."
Uefa Cup V ??? - After a bad call - "I rrrrreally don't like these Frrrrench Referrrrees..."
CLASS.
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Anyone know how old Archie is, he seems to have been around forever.
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Frankiebhoy,
Archie will be 70 this year!
Woooooooooooooooooffffffffff!
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Arthurwasbetterthanarchie (13.50)
No need to re-arrange your name. Us Greenockians will always have a soft spot for Arthur. Archie has lasted longer but the 'Stramash' will never die.
Didn't see much of Archie was I was younger because I had to stand on the mantlepiece with the ariel to get a BBC picture! See black and white telly!
Jinkywhoiswatchingthesunonsweetrothesaybay
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vclxi
Many thanks
SC
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Good article Paul - rise above blog handbags ( handblogs ? )and celebrate Celtic.
St. Gris @12.55 - the bbc has lots of Celtic fans and a few "currant buns" - no different from most big employers. Your post is just reactionary.
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Many thanks Archie and Paul.
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Does anyone know where I can find a list of players who are avaiable on a Bosman this summer?
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Paul
Great article!
Pin76
Hey! what d'ya know it's my favourite piece of commentary too.
Incidentally, got caught in the mad panic crush with the new turnstiles at the Celtic end that and had to take one shaken younger brother home. I did seriously consider abandoning him.
Enjoy! "Just once in the history of the Scottish Cup final has a goal been scored direct from a free kick, is this a piece of history......it is!"
Archie rules csc
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pin76
only twice not once.
A "play it again Sam" moment. Strange!
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Spidey100,
Try www.samallardyceGIRUYcfc.org.uk :-)
CQN Golf Day
VCLXI, It looks like no one else from Glasgow is looking for a lift so, yerself and Timmy7 could be in luck.
CaltonTongues
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hanif,
If you ever have the opportunity.
Ask Fergus McCann his true and honest opinion of the Scottish media and the SFA/SFL. If he can trust you he'll tell you.
Now theres a guy who wanted to nail bigotry in Scotland.
My view is not reactionary - its got more to do with following Celtic for 35 years.
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Fluffybunny,
I remember it well. Most of us got in for nowt as well when they opened the gates up top to relieve the crushing.
Causing a further crush in the terraces.
We were lucky we were not involved in another Hillsborough.
I believe that was the last SC final that was not an all ticket affair.
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Calton,
Is that a definite or are you going to hold off for a bit?
If it is a goer let me know how to get the money to you.
vclxi
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The latest name in the frame, according to the rumour mill, appears to be Bayern's Dutch striker Roy Makaay.
Let it be. He and big JV would run riot in the SP hell.
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vclxi,
I'll give it till Tuesday (after holiday) then let you know for definite.
As for the money, it will only be a nominal amount to cover the cost of deisel.
CaltonTongues
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Surveyorcelt (13:58)
Fairly sure both STV and the Beeb covered the final in those days - our household opted for Archie though...
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Paul....
Yer interview wiz a gas....an' ah agree ...Erchie wiz in da top class...
But,Ahm told da Brain o' Britain, had a style,which wiz mair fittin,
tae be termed, the Maist Entertaining.... by a Mile!
Noo, in oor pursuit o' a Striker...
I hiv tae say da Rifle's no Mere Piker!
An' tae get him, wull coast a loat o' Dough.
Two Million has been proposed,
but before da Deal is closed...
It will tak a Million mair...tae mak it so!
Fur Mr. Park wants Billy and BADLY.. an' the BAITH! ...will help us...but sadly,
Wull the Board go alang wit' the newly added expense?
But, in da opeenion o'us chickens,
tae be Parsimonious,
at dis time... wid be doonricht, dense!
They BAITH can cover da TWO places,
Where we're simply no at da Races!
Tae mak an extra effort, to get THEM.....diz mak sense!
Ah live in Hope that Pierre, will no be a dope....
An' win them BAITH fur Celtic...
in da end!
collie,
Tail's Awaggin', Awaggin'
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1985 was my first Cup Final. An uncle took me and my two brothers on the bus leaving from the Coach & Horses in Coatbridge. On the bus he introduced us to our new "dads" for the day as the parent & child gate at Hampden was only for one parent and one child.
So there was me standing outside Hampden as a 15 year old with a "dad" who could only have been about 10 years older than me while my two brothers' "dads" must have been collecting their pensions!
Got to stand right in line with the flight of Davie Provan's free-kick as well. If there had been any neutrals there that day then they couldn't have failed to have fallen in love with Celtic.
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ShunZoomSpark,
Jim Craig was the BBC studio guest that day too, and it was the day Wimbledon beat Liverpool in the FA cup.
I've still got the 1988 & 1989 cup finals on VHS and the 1991(?) 2-0 game where Hately, Hurlock and Walters all got sent off at Celtic Park.
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Left Winger
Naw you've no - Ive got them...
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Cheers Calton,
Can I suggest charging something like £10 or £15 a head and putting the change to the CQN charity fund?
vclxi
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Are we getting our centenary cup finals mixed up?
Both 85 and 88 were centenary cup finals if I'm right? Sure that the summariser in 85 was Big Billy.
The crowd reaction to Hateley's red card was priceless...but not suitable for CQN!
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'85 was the 100th final ? '88 was our centenary.
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A great read Paul,
Jock Stein was the man.
This always comes across the more info I read about him from his contemporaries.
Jock Steins strength was in his strength of character.
I’m lucky; I grew up with Jock Steins Celtic.
When I was very young I didn’t understand my Mothers concerns when some big game was coming up, and remember my Dad saying things like it’ll be alright.
It must have been murder being a Tim before my time.
Jock Steins name seemed to work like a tranquilizer, it was alright, he was there, and he was one of us.
And then, Celtic played new football and Celtic started to win.
This was not only a purging of previous disappointments which had dragged on from one season to the next, it was bathing in success.
Archie MacPherson, as a commentator, is a bit of an erse, he has ruined many a brilliant Celtic game with his inept inexplicable “what the hell is he going on about”, “gonae shut up or gives a clue” commentary. Sometimes he doesn’t know the names of the players in the team, and often says “he”. Sorry, but he’s an embarrassment, like him or not.
Henriks 50th goal; “and the youngster’s got it”….whit?
Anyway, like I say great read
Hail Hail
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MolesRus
Never met Jock Stein but I was thrown out of a hotel in Tillycootrie by his hero.
Brilliant
HH
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Memories of '85.
A few weeks before the final we played the FoD at Celtic Park on a Wed night in a re-arranged league match.
The Janefield Street incident followed (if I remember right )
I was in the Celtic End and we got a free kick just outside the box. The Perm bent in round/ over the wall and hit the junction of crossbar and post on the
top right side.
On the day of the final I was standing in the same position behind the goal at Hampden when we got the freekick that led to Provan's goal. The freekick was
in the same position as the Wed night game so I immediately turned to the complete stranger beside me and said
" Davie Provan top left corner! " ( his right) with the surity of a pool hustler naming the pocket of choice for the black ball.
Davie duly trotted up and put it right where I had said.
The guy beside me just turned and looked at me with eyes like saucers, (if I had not been a Tim I would have been burned as a witch) he proceeded to squeeze all the air out of my lungs whilst we pogoed down 10 rows of terracing ....magic.
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Collie
Ur guy in the the sights, is it Watty? or am I pandiering up the wrong barrel?
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17:55, No Bread No Cakes - I presume Collie's referring to Billy Sharp from Scunthorpe & Greg Dalby, an American midfielder we have on trial
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Fluffybunny 1549(and others)
Thanks for the link to Davie Provan's free kick.
I was behind the goal that day and remember his and Squiggle's goal like they were yesterday.
The memory can play tricks tho -- if you listen to the commentary again Erchie says "only twice..." not "Only once...."
It surprised me when I listened to it again -- Id always have sworn on my childrens eyes the commentary was "once"
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No Bread No Cakes
The Rifle has a Barrel whose caliber is a Big Fifty!
for long distance and shootin' Bison,
.... it's handy, it's nifty!
Of Wattie, I made no mention, for he is a No Go,
His name is not one, of the... TWO, THAT DID SHOW!
THE TWO, that I mentioned, they are in all da Noos,
Now, I can tell you about them...... for there is nuttin' too lose!
If da money is forthcoming, I think we shall get 'em,
They're much Bettah than who that we have at this time,
One is a Striker who know nuttin' about Strikes.
T'other replaces a man whose
Talents are Aging......
and who dithers around....
and whose skill in da tackle
is no longer Sublime!
collie.
Tail's Awaggin',Awaggin'
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Sharp Shooter
I was thinking Walter Pandiani of Espanyol (El Rifle) and thinking is he no getting on a bit?
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First post in a while but a post reminded me of one of my earlier Celtic memories, along with the penalties defeat to Aberdeen and the Joe Miller treble destroying final.
I think it was St Paddy's and I was dragged to my grans on Dixon Ave for a family gathering, where i remember sitting in the small kitchen with my dad watching a tiny TV. I have a memory of Dariusz Wdowczyk scoring a free kick, but when I see it in my minds eye it is being hit with his left boot from about 40 yards! I was loved him and Jackie because our family has Polish roots.
The other scorer was Crainey I think, and I think this was the cup quarters, but I dont remember the sendings off. Has anyone seen a link to this on youtube i dont get anything Celtic wise when I look up Dariusz Wdowczyk.
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Cubist Funk
You picked up da clue.... and it wiz Good ye picked, BADLY!
Ahm gled that ye goat it, or ah'd be lookin', so sadly!
It is a smart lad(?) ye ur,
fur it wiz no an easy clue,
So congrats tae yer sel'...fur ye ur wan o' da Few!
No Bread and No Cakes
To continue about noo players,
They ur so many we need that tae Celtic.....Say Nayers...
Fur ye must know that the money in England, Flows ever sae, Easy,
Tae get even a Tenth o' Oor Targets,wull no be Easy or Peasy!
We are shootin' by Shotgun, which is as ye know scatters,
If we miss Three and get Wan,
then that's awe that it matters.
The woid in the street, is that We dinna expect,
Tae get a Box Office name,amangst da wans we Select!
But accordin' tae the Wans who we goat... last time oot!
Big names ur nae use if they never woik oot!
We'll settle fur wans like the wan who's NAE GOW....fur that is a guy, who kin play some... an' How!
Potential, is the feature that takes the foist place,
'Cos it is always a Gamble,
when ye bring in a noo face...
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An' Big Money disnae guarantee he'll Light Up Da Place!
collie.
Tail's Awaggin', Tail's Awaggin'
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Vargas Shampoo;
For the record,
Jock Stein was and is my all time hero.He is Celtic to me.I'm not in the slightest bit interested in the religeous following of any member of playing staff, or management at parkhead.
I still stand by my opinion for WGS to be replaced by Roy Keane.
By the way,thought i'd throw in Michael Owen before the summer is out.
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Deutsch_Bhoy know the game but cant help you with the vid but this ghuys vids will rekindle more memories I'm sure.
Moravciks vids
Noel90 will no doubt pull it out the hat as always and find the Dariusz Wdowczyk free-kick game, so keep looking in!!
Hail Hail
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After Rome last night it is now kicking off big style in Seville.
English teams banned from Europe again?
Automatic qualification and Pot 2 please Michel.
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BhoyinGott-
English teams and Rangers......
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Noel90,
Why is it that those two go together like (not so) Bonny and Clyde?
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deutsch bhoy
I saw the CL Volleyball on Eurosport tonight. Bit of a surprise to see a German team win, was it not?
Have you played against any of those boys?
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BhoyinGott-
separated at birth ?
or so some of the Ibrox hordes would let you think.....
Nice to see Viscount Murray had to seek a banning order on The BBC to stop them disclosing "fraudulent activities" by employees at one of his call centres........
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Paul67
A fantastic read and a good pick me up from the malady of the last few weeks.
I for one am delighted that McDonald will not be playing on Saturday,i don`t think that well are half as good a team without him.
As an aside , note the English fans are doing their level best to embarrass themselves with another dfisgraceful performance. Maybe it`s the same ringers who caused the problems for the Darnel in Pamplona and Utd in Rome . They must get about , of course it`s all the heavy handed Police` fault.Funny i have no recollection of the police illbehaviour in Spain or Italy when we were their.
Maybe it`s a different CLASS of supporter .
hail hail
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Very big surprise for a German team to win, they beat the top two Italian teams and the top Russian teams (the 2 richest volleyball leagues).
Its a long story what happened here to me. Team I was playing with before christmas went bust (probably fraud) but we played the second top team in Germany in the cup and went bust before playing the 2nd team of Friedrichshafen (Euro champs). It was gutting, we would have been promoted but now the team had to get rid of all the contracted players, never won another game and got relegated.
So I secured a move to Giesen, a team in Hanover also 2nd division and we have won 10 out of 12 but we were in 9th when I arrived and even 12 out of 12 wouldnt have us in promotion contention. And thats the much shortened version.
www.volleyball-bundesligia.de
goto 2.Bundesligia then manner nord
PS. Thanks for the video link Stefan
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setting free the bears, you seem to know volleyball, I remember a question months ago but I think there was a new post very soon after I answered. I played for Glasgow Irish 4-5 seasons ago, do you have any connection to them?
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Collie
I would take yer nae 'gow' one for the miller we have the noo.
I'd have liked him to work out but unfortunately Kenny cannae get a smith at a goal.
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That`s a pretty good showing from Spurs in Seville.
I`ve noticed in the televised games over the past wee while that most crosses are played from deep and quite often with the right foot from the left and the left foot from the right. Seems familiar?
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Old Archie's powers of recall are a bit foggy.
Goldie was never a goalkeeper. He played left back, right half and right back in his fleeting appearances for Celtic between 1955 and 1957.
I have heard this anecdote before with a different away venue mentioned, but Goldie definitely never played at Broomfield against Airdrie.
And the date of the Dynamo Kiev matches are wrong they were in January 1966 not March.
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Oh aye - meant to say earlier, fine article today Paul.
I remember (late 80s) the warm welcome Archie would get when climbing into the gantry above the Jungle, usually in the form of a "give us a wave" chant...
The reception that Joke Brown got on the days STV were in Parkhead, however, was somewhat less cordial and rather more profane...
Btw - does anyone remember the name of the book (not sure of author, Crampsey mibbe?) published about 20 yrs ago abt the Lisbon Lions? Each chapter covered one of the games before going into a mini-bio of a squad member. Really fond memories of this book but can't find it in my house anymore, nor online!
Anyone shed any Lisbon light?
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Just watched Celtic beat Hearts 3-1 in a 1966 Scottish Cup tie at Parkhead on Celtic TV.
Made me squirm just after Steve Chalmers scored the third and the Celtic fans burst into an embarrassing chorus of "Follow, follow, we will follow Celtic....
Up to our knees in Orange blood we will follow on."
Has forgotten about this sad episode in our history and can actually remember singing it myself along with "There's not a team like the Glasgow Celtic, no not one etc."
Oh how things have changed.Thank God.
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Sean South
What was the song we had that went to the tune of Georgia as used by them for billy boys. I can only remember the last line of the chorus
'Big Jock manager of Celtic' I was only a nipper when BJ was in charge.
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JonG - dunno about the Michael Owen one, but your other hunch would not be a shock especally if he brought with him an ex bhoy who has a get out clause.
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Roy Keane -Celtic Manager ?
Are you off your heads ?
Behave.
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Shun_zoom_spark
I have a fairly large library of Celtic literature.
My collection includes the many books which are fully or partly dedicated to Lisbon 1967.
My guess is that the book your refer to is Celtic Triumphant by Ian Peebles which exactly fits the format you outline.
I have two versions: the original was published in 1967 by Stanley Paul and Co, London.
The second published by The Sportsmans Book Club, London, in 1968, cost 8 shillings and 6 pence.
You will now pay £20-plus for the Stanley Paul version and £12-15 for the Sportmans Book Club version.
For a good read on the Lions triumph I can also recommend:
The Lisbon Lions by Andy Dougan (Virgin)1997 (£14.99)and Celtic in Europe by Graham McColl (Mainstream) (£14.99).
Hope this helps.
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No bread no cakes: Know the one you mean but can't remember the lyrics (maybe just as well).
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A good wee video
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NBNC I am sure I have it on a record in my mothers house. I will be in over the weekend and I will look it out if no one has came up with the words by then
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Collie,
£3.25 million on the table for a Petrov return. It's up to Villa whether they accept!! Stanley wants oot ASAP, but Villa wanting most of their money back. Ball in Villa court.
If i was the sharp suited man i would put Balde as part of the deal and get shot of him of the wage bill.
STRIKERS:
Who is the marquee blue chip striker we are in for? Names are getting banded about right left and centre.
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Nice read Paul67,
I think when MON took over he put missing steel into Celtic just the very same as Jock did. I cannot remember any team that could out muscle O'Neills team, outplayed yes. As for the current incumbents team its an obvious weakness and signing 5'8" strikers is not going to help.
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Thanks for the info Sean, it's much appreciated. I'll try and hunt some of yr suggestions down at the weekend.
If it was the Peebles book I was thinking of, I'm rather surprised at it being out of print - I do recall it being a fine read, but I guess that's why callow teenagers don't call the shots in literary circles...
Anyway, much obliged again.
Cheers, SZS
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Noel90: Can't believe you wouldn't want Roy Keane. He is going to be a truly great manager. Mark my words.
I have not been so impressed with a manager since I first saw his mentors Brian Clough and Alex Ferguson in their early days.
Jong: Michael Owen- thirty minutes league football for Newcastle in 16 months- couldn't be touched until he has played at least half a season and proved his fitness.
There are Celtic fans in his family (I knew his late uncle a huge Tim) but at £100,000-a-week you can forget him.
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Roy Keane is already a manager that demands 100% and is getting it. You can just tell he is going to immense.
Manager of Celtic, tomorrow please.
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Shun Zoom @ 21:55
The book you mean is called 'One Afternoon In Lisbon' by Kevin McCarra. It was published by mainstream in 1988. A brilliant book if you can still hold of a copy.
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No Bread No Cakes
Nae Gow ,is a lad who knows da way tae goal,
He played for the G.A. when he wis young, or so I am done tole,
I''ll nae haud that agin him, fur he is Quick and he is Tricky,
Ah've seen him play agin us, an' he seen him Slyly tak da Mickey!
A man who has One Gless Ee...an' wi' his ither... Canny See!...
Kin see whit Gordo's Master Plan is.... an'it's no bin missed, by me!
It's catch 'em Young a tak a Chance,
Jist like Matt the Busby did..
Fur, even if only Wan woiks oot....
We'll save 10 Million Quid!
Nooadays, there's no a chance in da place that rhymes wi' Bell,
That we kin compete in the Transfer Stakes,
wi' the teams of the E.P.L.
Pierre and Gordo and ye kin include da Board...
Know that we must master de art... in sneekin' Potential Kids,
IT'S AWE WE KIN AFFORD!
So, when ye see we're in fur YOUNG Un's....
Like Roy or Billy or Moe,
Remember whit ah done tole thee,
It's da ONLY WAY TAE GO!
It's a well known fact tae every Tailor,
an' any one, who's ever cut a Swath,
Ye kin only Cut a Suit tae Suit... the quantity o' yer Cloth.
collie.
Awaggin',Awaggin'
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Top man Finbar, that's the one. A brilliant book indeed. Thanks for the info.
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Back to Archie, If you haven't read the Jock Stein biography, you are in for a treat. Its up there with "glory and the dream" and "one afternoon in lisbon". Quality.
It is such a ripsnorter that my mother in law has read it.
My MIL is a church going Prod from Larkhall. Mining stock, moved to Fife just after general strike.
Not knowing Larkhall that well, apparantly, Burnbank (where Jock comes from) runs into Larkhall, hence my MIL interest.
She usually has no interest in football at all. Anyway, Archie's book is so good, my MIL thinks big Jock is the bees knees!
Usually my MIL and FIL humour and tolerate my Celtic supporting antics. Now, I actually think they are on my side!
I cannot believe my MIL reading a football book. But, this is more than a football book, as you know. and what a read it is.
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sean south....I believe the story about Goldie the goalkeeper is true.
William Goldie played in goal at Broomfield in October 1960 when we lost 2-0.
Apparently he "gave away" both goals.
It was his only first team appearance.
NBNC...I think the Jock Stein song you refer too goes along the lines ...
Celtic have a manager Big Jock Stein is his name.
He is the greatest name in sport he knows the football game.
Without a doubt he has the brains he made the Celtic great.
Big Jock manager of Celtic!
Another line I recall is
He took over Celtic and he gave the Rangers hell (Sorry Paul!)
Chorus...Hello big Jock we'll hit this team for six.
Hello Big Jock for you know all the tricks.
We'll beat them all around the field we'll really have a go.
Big Jock manager of Celtic.
They don't write songs like that any more (thankfully!)
shun_zoom_spark...I think you may be referring to the book "One Afternoon in Lisbon" by Kevin McCarra & Pat Woods.
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Deutsch Bhoy @21.15 and 21.20
Sorry I had to go out after I posted. It must be an amazing experience to have played against teams at that level. I toured twice in Germany in the late 70's but the teams I played against are mostly defunct now. I remember Korschenbroich VC from near Moenchengladbach and I also toured in the Saarland and played against Saarlouis VC. (If your the polish descended boy I think you are, you might find your Uncle Thomas was on that tour with me). My main memory is of the many micro breweries they had and how their lagers left you speechless or croaky in the morning. After a week of training, playing and drinking we all sounded like Lee Marvin. I'm guessing that, if you play semi pro, you'll have to behave yourself a bit better than we did.
I know some of the Glasgow Irish VC boys but mostly the older generation of players.
Back to Celtic. As you said you were a physio, can you tell us this, Is JVOH ever gonna escape the treatment room?
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Sean South
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I bow to your superior knowledge of the Hoops.
I am not aware of a Jimmy Goldie, but is it possible, that the Goldie you refer to is Peter Goldie, who I think made a few appearances for Celtic in the 50s.
He was our old Assistant Head at St. Pat's Dumbarton, with a very good managerial record of his own at schools under-18 level
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WGS
The Petted Pet is no fur us, we ur Bettah aff withoot him,
In da last Five months when he wiz here....his play wiz rank an' GRIM!
When we goat shot o' him .. we wur laughin' awe da way tae da Bank....
Noo, If ye asked me tae take back he...
I'd gie ye a Big NO THANK!
Ah know da thur ur still many oot there,
who dinna agree wit' US,
Ah am sorry, but ah must tell ye...
straight......
WE DINNA RATE HIM!
...so please don't rant and Cuss!
Yet,if ye feel ye must.... Go richt ahead.....ye kin let da steam hiss high.
But tae us it'll no mak the slightest impression...
An' in this we dinnae, lie!
Pet da Pet...... ?Ye surely must JOKIN??
It's much bettah tae leave him where he is...
An' let da Villa fans enjoy his MOPIN'!
collie.
Tail's Awaggin', Awaggin'
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Valebhoy:Yes the Goldie I am referring to is Peter, an outfield player between 1955 and 1957.
Gordon:Spot on, Willie Goldie played in goal in a 2-0 defeat at Airdrie on October 1, 1960.
Archie calls him Jimmy Goldie but that must be who he meant.
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I have no idea whats going on with JVOH, it doesnt seem to be like Beattie, as in the same injury every time. I had heard a rumour similar to one someone brought up recently and that was he never played more than 3 games straight with PSV. It is possible that he is as they say in Germany ''Ein weiches Ei'' literally translated as ''a soft egg''.
I found a great Irish bar in Hanover to watch the Milan game but they never showed the Rangers game because Ireland were playing in the rugby, however I wasn't so dissapointed to miss it when I read about it here.
And yeah there's not many Polish decended volleyballers in Scotland, you got who I am in one. And life isn't quite one huge party here compared to when you and my uncle graced them with your company, but the management dont
