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Thursday, April 26, 2007
Paradise found

John Kennedy was comfortably ahead of Stephen McManus in the Celtic Park pecking order in 2004. Playing at the heard of Celtic’s defence in their historic 0-0 draw at the Nou Camp, which eliminated Barcelona from Europe, was the pinnacle of his career at that point. One week later he was injured; out of the game for over three years.

Had he remained fit, I have no doubt that Stephen McManus’ opportunities would have fallen to Kennedy. McManus has made remarkable progress with the chance given to him by Gordon Strachan after “that night in Bratislava”. This serendipity may well have uncovered our next captain, however, the question of what John Kennedy would have achieved has hung around Celtic Park ever since.

A new three year contract is a great human story, triumph after adversity and three years watching and waiting, but the best part of the story may yet to be told. He will push McManus, Stephen Pressley and Gary Caldwell for a starting place next season.

I know some people still cannot see over Gary Caldwell’s darkest hour in Portugal, but Celtic’s play suffered when forced to do without his ball playing skills in central defence; central midfield has not looked right since.

Kennedy is of the same mould, composed on the ball, tall and quick. I am also assured he has one of the most important qualities of all, attitude. We need at least one player like this at the heart of the defence.

If he has lost none of his confidence and speed (and promises not to ‘tackle’ Ronaldinho in the box), he will be our first choice centre half this time next season.
Posted by Paul67 at 12:10 PM :: 

222 Comments:
  • At 26/04/07 12:14, Bhoy_Molloy said…

    Great news on JK.

     
  • At 26/04/07 12:15, TheLeftWinger said…

    It's fantastic news B_M,

    He and O'Dea seem to be the brightest prospects, and with Scott Cithbert coming through, our defence (including pace for what seems to be the first time in my lifetime) looks as if it could be solid for a few years to come.

    Now about a goalscorer..........

     
  • At 26/04/07 12:16, sdstim said…

    Hope JFK does stay instead of being farmed out. Best place for him is in the Hoops.

     
  • At 26/04/07 12:16, Bhoy_Molloy said…

    I missed the last thread so let me say a big THANKS to the great that is Neil Lennon.

     
  • At 26/04/07 12:17, TheLeftWinger said…

    Paul,

    As for the headline.....is it Paradise found, or Paradise rediscovered?

    Either way, it's more champion news

     
  • At 26/04/07 12:22, Celtic_Gucks said…

    Paul

    Any idea who you think the new captain will be? I think McManus would be a popular choice,but having said that,if Gordon feels he isnt guaranteed a starting place next season perhaps he will go for someone else. But who?

    Celtic_Gucks

     
  • At 26/04/07 12:26, CHAMPIONS AGAIN aka BAZ67 said…

    McGraininspain (the artist formally known as McGraininleicester) - I'm doing fine.

    How did your Saturday night go when I left you at in the Hampton some weeks ago? Tell me you went out?

    Well Done John Kennedy and Well Done CELTIC.

    Good Luck to the young Bhoys tonight.

    Hail Hail on this fine CHAMPION Day.........

     
  • At 26/04/07 12:27, Paul67 said…

    Celtic Gucks, I am pretty sure Stephen McManus will be our new captain.

     
  • At 26/04/07 12:29, MuppetBhoy said…

    Paul - no truth in JFK getting loaned out for a season then?

     
  • At 26/04/07 12:29, McGraininSpain said…

    TheLeftWinger - from previous thread - I take you point about Neil's acute positional excellence enabling him to intercept and tackle from a position of advantage and we both agree that is down to his discipline, both emotional and positional.

    Maybe some thing from which both Hartley and Gravesen can learn.

    Baz67 - nah I was on yer tail. Great to see Mrs. Baz67.

    Pau67 - from last post, any thoughts about archiving yesterday?

     
  • At 26/04/07 12:32, CHAMPIONS AGAIN aka BAZ67 said…

    McGrain - Was it home to bed after picking up a take away? Bet you were popular ?

    When you over next?

     
  • At 26/04/07 12:32, Paul67 said…

    MuppetBhoy, talk is about JK being loaned out for the summer, back at Celtic Park in August.

    McGrainin.. aye, good call.

     
  • At 26/04/07 12:35, Ardoch said…

    John Kennedy can be one very proud bhoy right now. He has made a fantastic comback from a horrific injury.

    He can be a future Celtic captain if he continues his development.

     
  • At 26/04/07 12:36, antsman said…

    Paul 67, agreee about jk however

    Gary Caldwell's ball playing skills are a total myth his pass completion rate is poor for anything over 10-15 yards.

     
  • At 26/04/07 12:37, Len Brennan said…

    Paul - So we might have JFK playing alongside Henke at Helsingborgs possibly?

    ;o)

    /Bishop B

     
  • At 26/04/07 12:37, watchow said…

    great to see him back and looking so imposing on sunday

    and it would be great if he could turn into the euro class centre half many of us have been looking for for a while. we'd save on a transfer fee and have another real home-grown hero. if he shows half the courage on the pitch he has over the last 3 years then we'll have some player on our hands.

     
  • At 26/04/07 12:39, ross said…

    I Hope the following -

    Kennedy is not loaned out - he is good enough to play in the Celtic team and if he gets anywhere near back to his best he is our best Centre half by a country mile!

    McManus is NOT made captain - because he isn't good enough. When everyone is fit he won't be an automatic choice.

    I would make Boruc captain - give him extra responsibility and incentive to stay.

     
  • At 26/04/07 12:44, BigChipSuk said…

    With McManus, O'Dea, Pressley, Cuthbert & Balde (anyone remember him?) all vying to play alongside Kennedy next season, what does the future hold for Gary Caldwell?...

    Hmmm.

    Gary Caldwell, the new Neil Lennon?!!!

    Talking of Neil Lennon, there is a danger that the meeja might actually start writing something positive
    about him now that he is on his way out. And perhaps even an admission that the vitriolic abuse to which he has been subjected ever since he set foot on Scottish soil was, in fact, nothing to do with his "combative style of play" after all!

     
  • At 26/04/07 12:45, BigChipSuk said…

    Len Brennan, not unless Henke has become a defender!

     
  • At 26/04/07 12:46, thismancraig said…

    Well said on Gary Caldwell Paul, I fully expect he and Stephen 'Captain' McManus to start the season as our first choice central defence. Back in September and October they were developing into a fine partnership - so good that Boruc commented on the improvement from the previous year.

    Far too often people have exaggerated Caldwell's 'mistakes' - he made one error in Lisbon and has been crucified for it. Likewise McManus, who was utterly flawless in the Champions League over 8 games yet people say he's not even good enough for Scotland...watching a different game from me (and his manager, Carlo Ancelloti, Massimo Oddo and national team manager as well for that matter)!

    Once again I'll say it, with McManus, Caldwell, Kennedy, O'Dea and maybe Cuthbert we are blessed with competion in the defence. It takes time for partnerships to grow and develop here more than any other area on the park - an ideal scenario for us.

     
  • At 26/04/07 12:49, Michael__67 said…

    The three top centre halfs on our books are Balde, Kennedy, and O'Dea - a mixture of fitness and experience would have them far ahead of McManus, Caldwell, and Pressley.....

     
  • At 26/04/07 12:57, Kano said…

    Well done to JFK for the new contract,hope it is the first of few.

    And well done to Celtic as well.

    They stood by him through three years of hell.

    Hopefully we will now see him contue from where he left off.

    You never know,his injury experience,may actually help in the long run.

     
  • At 26/04/07 12:58, CHAMPIONS AGAIN aka BAZ67 said…

    BigChipSuk - Would this be the BOBO you're talking about :-)

     
  • At 26/04/07 12:59, Kano said…

    If you add an A an I and N to the above,it may very well read okay!!!

     
  • At 26/04/07 13:06, TheLeftWinger said…

    Can someone do me a favour and post a link to the famous picture of Martin O'Neill & Neil Lennon in front of the Celtic fans at Ibrox?

    It would be much obliged......

     
  • At 26/04/07 13:11, dunfydave said…

    26th? I'm getting closer to the podium by the day!

     
  • At 26/04/07 13:16, CanajunBhoy said…

    Watchow, Len Brennan,
    It's rumoured we're trying to line up a game with Chicago Fire in July in addition to the Denver game.

     
  • At 26/04/07 13:18, martinobhoy said…

    BigChipSuk

    I always thought Henrik was one of our best defenders when he was with us. There aren't many in the game better at providing the first line of defence.

     
  • At 26/04/07 13:25, BigChipSuk said…

    Baz67, yes.

    Nice one!

     
  • At 26/04/07 13:27, BigChipSuk said…

    Martinobhoy, true. But he'd still be playing in front of JFK rather than alongside him.

    However, if the opposition get a freekick just outside the penalty area, will we put Kennedy in the wall. Imagine the tabloid headlines if he was pole-axed by the shot at goal...

     
  • At 26/04/07 13:28, the right rev. david hay (preaching pure football) said…

    july 19th V major league all stars

    july 21st V chicago fire

     
  • At 26/04/07 13:28, the right rev. david hay (preaching pure football) said…

    i think

     
  • At 26/04/07 13:29, CHAMPIONS AGAIN aka BAZ67 said…

    TheLeftWinger - Best I could do at short notice.

    TWO CHAMPIONS

     
  • At 26/04/07 13:31, Len Brennan said…

    BigChipSuk - Good one mate, but then again this is Henke we're talking about so I think he'd give you a good shift no matyter were he played.. ;o)

    /Bishop B

     
  • At 26/04/07 13:34, TheLeftWinger said…

    That's Champion Baz, cheers

     
  • At 26/04/07 13:34, BigChipSuk said…

    What do you all think of Celtic's new black kit? Can't say it does anything for me!

     
  • At 26/04/07 13:35, martinobhoy said…

    Len

    Agreed. Wasn't there a game at Dens when Didier got sent off for the heinous crime of being faster than the Dundee forward and Henrik ended up playing almost at left-back?

     
  • At 26/04/07 13:40, BHOYSFOUR said…

    I am truly delighted that we have signed John Kennedy to a new contract.

    I was expecting a "deer in the headlights" reaction after three years out, but how glad I was to be prove so wrong, he played with poise and confidence. Well done John!

    BF

     
  • At 26/04/07 13:41, Lardo66 said…

    Non sequiter here chaps from a long time reader but first poster....does anyone know if we need to pre-qualify for CL next season? Thanks in advance.

     
  • At 26/04/07 13:42, Len Brennan said…

    martinobhoy - sure did mate.

    And that diving little eejit that got Didier sent off... none other than Nacho Nohope as I remember!

    /Bishop

     
  • At 26/04/07 13:42, Lardo66 said…

    Sorry, sequitur...sequitur.

     
  • At 26/04/07 13:44, TheLeftWinger said…

    MartinOBhoy,

    The Dundee forward = cheating, greasy, spotty wee nyaff by the name of Nacho Novo.

    He actually tried to trip up Agathe but got caught up in his own feet and fell over.

    I was raging that day. Dianbobo got us out of jail with a late header as far as i remember.

     
  • At 26/04/07 13:46, El Diego Bhoy said…

    Lardo66

    I believe we play in the final qualifying round.

     
  • At 26/04/07 13:54, danny said…

    Paul67

    This time next season with 3 in a row in the bag we'll be giving the youngsters a chance.

     
  • At 26/04/07 13:55, deliasmith said…

    The Scotsman article has a very funny riposte from 'Cardiffbhoy' to a claim that wee Barry had more awards than Neil Lennon, citing among BF's achievements 'many Man of the Match Awards at Blackburn':

    Man of the match awards at Blackburn!

    Never mind your European or World Footballer of the year awards , I bet Ronaldhino always wanted one of them.

    Since Lennon came to Celtic in Season 2000/2001 the medal count is as follows,

    League - NL 5 Bammy 2
    Cup NL 3 Bammy 2
    League Cup NL 2 Bammy 3
    European Finals NL 1 Bammy 0
    Blackburn MOTM NL 0 Bammy Hunners
    Managers Sacked NL 0 Bammy 1


    I laughed out loud at work when I read this.

    Can we invite this talented Welsh person on to CQN?

     
  • At 26/04/07 13:56, martinobhoy said…

    Len / Theleftwinger

    Cheers. All I remembered was that it was never a sending off. I had forgot the Dundee player that was involved.

    Why does it not surprise me that it was Novo?

     
  • At 26/04/07 14:00, Michael__67 said…

    Delia

    Cardiffbhoy's already here....

     
  • At 26/04/07 14:11, TheLeftWinger said…

    Michael__67,

    Do you memorise every comment regarding Neil Lennon so they can be used for evidence and later relied on in court?

     
  • At 26/04/07 14:12, winningemmell said…

    Two thirds of Lenny's Celtic goals tally have been at the expense of Dunfermline............... you know it makes sense.....

     
  • At 26/04/07 14:12, winningemmell said…

    SOAL -


    daft fiver ?

     
  • At 26/04/07 14:17, Lardo66 said…

    Thank you El Diego Bhoy.
    Are there official stats as to who gets MOM awards? Is it not the case that Sponsors and commentators quite often pick different MOMs? Home announcers never pick the opposition players even if all of their own are pure mince. The least worst Blackburn Player award? The leanest of the steak mince I reckon.

     
  • At 26/04/07 14:18, TheLeftWinger said…

    WG,

    Michael__67 owes me £40, and there was a condition on it that it was to be repaid the next time Neil Lennon scores for Celtic.

    I can only hope your statistics have a bearing on things. Surely if we get any penalty from now until Hampden 26th May, Neil Lennon should be hitting it?

     
  • At 26/04/07 14:23, Michael__67 said…

    LeftWinger

    That £40 is safe.

    Lenny has never let me down - and wont start now. Lenny WILL score before the end of the season...

     
  • At 26/04/07 14:28, wee shug said…

    champagne on ice for sunday, 2 reasons to celebrate spl trophy presentation, and, hopefully arrival of 1st grandchild,
    oh nappy days

    hail hail

     
  • At 26/04/07 14:30, Michael__67 said…

    Left Winger

    Should have read you, not me....

     
  • At 26/04/07 14:39, Celtic_Gucks said…

    I quite literally stumbled across this in the Daily Ranger today(on-line folks),written by Sally McCoist. "I've heard it said over and over again that Lennon is the victim of bigots. It's claimed the reason he is singled out for abuse from supporters is because he's a Catholic from Northern Ireland.


    I don't buy that for a minute. As I recall, he was jeered almost everywhere he went as a Leicester player".


    Does anyone know if this it true? Does Neil mention this being jeered everywhere in his autobiography?

     
  • At 26/04/07 14:43, Michael__67 said…

    Gucks

    McMoist obviously getting Lenny mixed up with Robbie Savege.

    Easily done as they look so alike.

    Balloon...

     
  • At 26/04/07 14:45, BigChipSuk said…

    Don't forget the Scottish Youth Cup Final at Hampden Park tonight, Celtic v Rangers. Evidently they are expecting a crowd of over 15,000 for the occasion.

    It's our wee Hoops' chance to demoralise the Rangers Youths before the Youth League last day show-down a week tomorrow, where Celtic's 4 year tenure as Champions hangs by a thread!

    Rangers (44pts; GD+26) play Hibs at home while Celtic (44pts; GD+23) entertain Falkirk.

     
  • At 26/04/07 14:56, spirit of arthur lee said…

    CG

    This may have started to happen once neil decided to stick his head into the boot of Englands golden boy at the time Mr A Shearer

     
  • At 26/04/07 14:58, Michael__67 said…

    SOAL

    You mean like

    this

     
  • At 26/04/07 15:09, spirit of arthur lee said…

    Will and Grace

    that kick is comming to a head near you.

     
  • At 26/04/07 15:28, winningemmell said…

    No-one's mentioned the Wetherspoon's Real Ale Festival which began on Monday following the clinching of the championship. £1.39 a pint in The Teser which is where I am now headed.



    See yas

     
  • At 26/04/07 15:31, RobinBhoy said…

    Great news for John Kennedy and all in Timdom, the big man was immense on Sunday, remarkable that he looked like he had never been away.

    I am not in the Gary Caldwell fan club as a centre half I am afraid, gives the ball away too frequently and his range of passing is frankly not that good. Prone to errors in trying to play too much football from centre half. Could he be Lenny's replacement? If Gordon Strachan is thinking about this a couple of games in this position before the seasons end might be useful but I doubt Lenny will be dropped for any of the last few games.


    Will be interesting to see the line up on Sunday, McManus back in I am sure why not as a partner to Kennedy? The league is done and dusted give the bhoys a chance!

    Hail Hail!

    RobinBhoy

     
  • At 26/04/07 15:55, vclxi said…

    Let's not forget Darren O'Dea who also deserves a wee run in the first team.
    Has he played enough games to merit a medal yet?

     
  • At 26/04/07 16:02, whitedoghunch said…

    vclxi

    I don't think Darren has had or will have enough games left to get a medal.

     
  • At 26/04/07 16:02, Gordon_J said…

    Good point vclxi (if that is indeed your real name).

    Is it 10 appearances that you need to qualify for a medal? I seem to recall that number from somewhere.

    If so, then Darren is OK with 8 full appearances and 5 subs (from e-tims).

    Those needing a few games are:

    Bobo - 6 to date (unlikely!)
    Paul Hartley - 6 to date.

    And I think a certain Mr Maloney made 9 appearances, so rightly misses out!

     
  • At 26/04/07 16:07, whitedoghunch said…

    vclxi

    go with Gordon_j.
    I was fool enough to come to my conclusion using the official site amoung others.

     
  • At 26/04/07 16:13, better than martin said…

    The first thing we need to do with our CB’s is to get rid of Bobo. At His cost we should be getting better than him. Image what an extra £28k per week can do to our fullback or central midfield positions.

     
  • At 26/04/07 16:29, McGraininSpain said…

    Celtic Gucks 14.39

    I can assure you Lennon was not treated in anything like the way he is in Scotland, when he played at Leicester. It simply didn't happen.

    Systematic, sustained and pre-planned abuse in the stadia? Nope. Repeated physical attacks in the street? Nope. Let's not even talk of the gutterdwellers.

    I watched him for 5 years and he got stick from Geordies for a bit after he had the audacity to put his heid under Shearer when Shearer happened to stamp forcefully in a hiedward direction. But that apart, McCoist is entirely wrong.

    And why is the assistant manager (or whatever he is) of Rangers making comment at all on this matter? How on earth is his opinion at all appropriate or relevant?

    Edward - your view?

    I actually think these comments only fan the flames of bigotry and are dangerous.

    McCoist should stick to what he is good at, whatever that might be.

    McGrain

     
  • At 26/04/07 16:44, Marvin said…

    from eurosport
    "Victory on Sunday at Kilmarnock will secure a 41st title for Celtic but Hartley, who joined from Hearts at the end of January, has only featured in five league games.

    "It means everything to me. At the start of the season I didn't imagine I would be at Celtic and going to pick up a league winner's medal...if I play in the next five games.


    This was posted before Golden Sunday. So doing the maths it's 10 you need for a medal

     
  • At 26/04/07 16:52, Gordon_J said…

    McgraininSpain:

    Line of the day: "McCoist should stick to what he is good at, whatever that might be."

     
  • At 26/04/07 16:56, Awe_Naw_No_Annoni_Oan_Anaw_Noo said…

    McGarininspain,

    I think the article is actually by Hately but has been attributed to Mc Coist. An apology I can see forthcoming !!

     
  • At 26/04/07 17:38, Paul67 said…

    Welcome Lardo66. We sure do need to qualify for the CL next season.

    Danny, :-)

     
  • At 26/04/07 18:16, EdwardUrsus said…

    McGraininSpain :- I haven't read the article so can't give much of an informed opinion however what I would say is that like anyone who wishes to have their views presented in the media he should always double then triple check his facts. Normally the amount of abuse a player takes varies in proportion to how effective he is or how he is seen by opposition fans, sadly there are more sinister elements at work in the abuse Mr Lennon has had to take.

    WinningGemmell :- I was looking through old records and I noticed that in 1936 a Winning. G played a couple of games for Rangers, could you by any chance be related? The public should be told lol, this would explain much of yopur knowledge of some of the more esoteric aspects of secret societies ;-)

     
  • At 26/04/07 18:29, Bloke109 said…

    The big story on Real Radio re Neil Lennon...

    Alan Rough thinks he received 'too much coverage' in the press today and that it was 'over the top'.

    Desperate stuff.

     
  • At 26/04/07 19:04, WGS said…

    Paul67,

    If JK recaptures the form as he did before the injury he will displace McManus with ease.

    McManus has came on leaps and bounds however after being at Rugby Park on Sunday the guy looked if he never been away.

    He strolled through it. I couldn't believe what i was seeing. Who knows what will happen. I came away from the game saying that people that we could have potentially looking at our centre back partnership fora number of years in Kennedy and O Dea.

    If these two push on in pre season then McManus and co better watch out.

    This would be my preferred partnership in the future.

    As with regards McManus getting made captain he will probably get it as there is'nt any other candidates. I don't expect it to be a long term thing though as i reckon he won't be featuring as much with the emegence of O Dea and JK back.

    I still expect the manager to go for a centre half in the summer so that would bring the total to 7

    Although i expect Bobo to depart.

     
  • At 26/04/07 19:04, WGS said…

    Paul67,

    If JK recaptures the form as he did before the injury he will displace McManus with ease.

    McManus has came on leaps and bounds however after being at Rugby Park on Sunday the guy looked if he never been away.

    He strolled through it. I couldn't believe what i was seeing. Who knows what will happen. I came away from the game saying that people that we could have potentially looking at our centre back partnership fora number of years in Kennedy and O Dea.

    If these two push on in pre season then McManus and co better watch out.

    This would be my preferred partnership in the future.

    As with regards McManus getting made captain he will probably get it as there is'nt any other candidates. I don't expect it to be a long term thing though as i reckon he won't be featuring as much with the emegence of O Dea and JK back.

    I still expect the manager to go for a centre half in the summer so that would bring the total to 7

    Although i expect Bobo to depart.

     
  • At 26/04/07 19:09, BigChipSuk said…

    Talking of "tackling Ronaldinho" (see the end of Paul's article), here are a few special tackles, including our own Lenny on Jan Kozak in the home game with Artmedia (at 1'45"). Note however the most vile challenge of all at around the 3'56" mark!

    Please be advised of explicit lyrics on the soundtrack.

     
  • At 26/04/07 19:31, noel90 said…

    Youth Cup Final latest-

    Celtic 0 Rangers 1

     
  • At 26/04/07 19:37, Bloke109 said…

    0-2. Mon the wee hops, fightback begins now.

     
  • At 26/04/07 19:38, Bloke109 said…

    * hoops, clearly

     
  • At 26/04/07 19:39, watchow said…

    re neil lennon in england

    all this nonsense about him being the target of opposition fans abuse is something i have read rankgers fans come out with as some sort of excuse for their behaviour towards him.

    the comments are completely incorrect. i watched him play for leicester several times and he received no abuse at all. playing in the same team as robbie savage meant that the opposing fans were too busy giving him stick to bother about anyone else. when he was in the prem i dont remember him having any sort of bad reputation at all.

    shameful atempt to ingratiate himself with the animals.

     
  • At 26/04/07 19:40, Notafanofstan said…

    Now all googled up and back in the saddle .

    Mixed emotions this last week with the departure of Neil Lennon and the great news on John Kennedy's deal , it will make Sunday even more special.

    I hope JFK takes note of the loyalty of the club during traumatic times unlike the Maloney, Miller & Stubbs ne'er do wells

     
  • At 26/04/07 19:42, noel90 said…

    Youth Cup Final latest-

    Celtic 0 Rangers 1 and another 1....

     
  • At 26/04/07 19:44, Notafanofstan said…

    Noel,

    Do I hear a 'Murray Park paying dividends' from BFDJ tomorrow ?

     
  • At 26/04/07 19:53, noel90 said…

    NAFOS-

    and from all the hun press-

    "1st trophy from Murray Parks conveyor belt of talent" mince.

     
  • At 26/04/07 19:55, McGraininSpain said…

    Edward - we agree on the sinister nature of the abuse Neil has had to take in Scotland and hopefully McCoist has not made these statements. Whether he has or not, I still he should stick to what he is good at, whatever that is.

    NAFOS - ¡Hola, amhigo!

    watchow - I lived in Leicester for many years. Mostly West End but also up in Clarendon Park. Followed the Foxes with all the enthusiasm that an ex-pat Celtic supporter can muster from the Little years through until the move over here 4 years ago. Still my English team and have many fond memories of numerous Wembley trips for play-off and League Cup finals. You?

    McGrain

     
  • At 26/04/07 20:02, Bloke109 said…

    If the comments alluded to earlier were by Mark Hateley in his article in the Record, Hateley did not write it, it was ghosted by Keith Jackson.

     
  • At 26/04/07 20:08, malone_86_ said…

    Any updates on the Youth Final? Was wanting to go but couldn't make it, think I might be glad now. Hope we don't start to slip in terms of quality at a young level, I know it's a young squad and they missed Sheridan for a few weeks but in previous seasons they dominated that U19's league.

     
  • At 26/04/07 20:10, noel90 said…

    Malone 19-

    11,000 of a crowd have turned for Rangers last chance of lifting their 1st trophy in 24 months.......

    Game is live on Radio Scotland -

    for UK listeners only.

     
  • At 26/04/07 20:11, noel90 said…

    turned up even.....

     
  • At 26/04/07 20:24, Notafanofstan said…

    McGrainInSpain ,

    Hope you are well amigo & hope to see you on our travels soon.

    Noel ,

    'latest crop of young stars'

     
  • At 26/04/07 20:24, watchow said…

    mcgrain

    i'm a part-time gooner - i used to go to all the home games when i wasnt at cp and went away as well.

    i remember one game in particular at highbury cos its without doubt the coldest i have ever been at a game - boxing day the season i think they were top or near enough. savage spent the whole game winding up the fans even though his team got beat 5-0. a mate never turned up so i sat freezing for an hour on my own and then had to get to the pub before i died.

    lenny never got any stick from the gooners

     
  • At 26/04/07 20:28, malone_86_ said…

    Oh dear oh dear oh dear

     
  • At 26/04/07 20:28, EdwardUrsus said…

    3 - 0 to the good guys.
    The future is bright it's red blue and white ;-)

     
  • At 26/04/07 20:32, Shammy said…

    Media really going overboard about the youth league, don't remember the same coverage over the last few years when Celtic were doing the clean sweep.

    I wonder what's different about this year?

     
  • At 26/04/07 20:32, setting free the bears said…

    EU

    That'll be youse turned the corner again?

     
  • At 26/04/07 20:37, setting free the bears said…

    Seems that a rangers player called Lennon has scored a hat trick in the Youth Cup final.

    I'm sure we can look forward to him being booed at every ground in Scotland because of that surname.

     
  • At 26/04/07 20:38, Notafanofstan said…

    Sack the board .

     
  • At 26/04/07 20:39, fly_mo said…

    Don't read the Daily trash...but coming from any Orange B'd that Lenny hasn't been that badly treated...whether mccoist or that other prat...

    Typical Orange B'ds see no evil, hear no evil in their own back yard....not one of them would last a new york minute in Lennon's shoes - they'd be crying to the press & Uncle David......waste of skin, every one..

    Their glad to see the back of him cause they couldnae beat him!

    I'm glad Lenny has decided the time is right - I want to be able to look back at his record without groaning about his last year.....
    He's had a few off days this year with petulent outbursts, arm band nonsense - which I have no time for in any pro sportsman, least of all an inconic one. Otherwise, he's been a class act.

    Hail Hail Lenny...come back real soon.
    Rant over - normal even handedness resumes... ;-)

     
  • At 26/04/07 20:42, McGraininSpain said…

    watchow - of course you are - I'd picked up as much from previous posts.

    You might remember the Denis Bergkamp match. Certainly the best game of football I saw in England. Bergkamp hat-trick including the famous killing the ball stone dead knocking it up and over Walsh before making it 3-1 Gooners with 90 on the clock. Leicester grabbed 2 in injury time to snatch an incredible and unlikely point.

    Some good contests over the MON years.

    For the young lads, a character building result that should serve them well when they are regularly stuffing the huns in the big team in a few years time.

     
  • At 26/04/07 20:48, John_H said…

    5-0 Strachan must go ;-)

     
  • At 26/04/07 20:51, watchow said…

    mcgrain

    probably he best hat trick ever.

    was the 3-3 game where walsh and ian wright had a fight at the end or was that another game.

    i hated steve walsh - he was a bigger wind-up than savage. mind you i would have stuck on eon wrighty if i was playing against him.

    wrighty tucked me up when he came to cp. i told anyone who would listen that we were about to see goalscoring the likes of which scotland had rarely seen. i should have listened to the west ham fans who called him showbiz gooner *&^% when he was there. i heard him on the radio talking to the chairman the other day and he didnt seem in the slightest bit interested. mind you he did say that playing for celic against the other scottish clubs was much harder than people think.

     
  • At 26/04/07 21:05, EdwardUrsus said…

    SFTB :- This year we have turned so many corners we are stuck on a roundabout :-)
    Next year however will be a straight road to the title.

    One Mr lennon enters the twilight of his career, another enters the dawn of his, looks like the circle of life applies to football as well.

    I wonder if there is anywhere else that a youth cup final could attract that sort of crowd.

     
  • At 26/04/07 21:28, Tobi said…

    Apologies if this has already been discussed, but I was looking at the new home strip on the official site and noticed it is 2007-08.......a 1 year strip instead of the usual 2 ?
    Edward, not only do I think that a youth cup final could attract a bigger crowd somewhere else, I believe it will happen tonight elsewhere in Britain.

     
  • At 26/04/07 21:29, Tobi said…

    Apologies if this has already been discussed, but I was looking at the new home strip on the official site and noticed it is 2007-08.......a 1 year strip instead of the usual 2 ?
    Edward, not only do I think that a youth cup final could attract a bigger crowd somewhere else, I believe it will happen tonight elsewhere in Britain.

     
  • At 26/04/07 21:31, El Diego Bhoy said…

    Edward

    How will we recognise you at Paul's night?

    And don't say you'll be wearing you know what colours:o)

     
  • At 26/04/07 21:32, Sean South said…

    EdwardUrsus: You guys may have a good youth side this season but you obviously don't know your history.

    Haven't heard the official crowd from Hampden yet, but have seen 11,000 mentioned on here.

    Edward questions where else could attract the sort of crowd Hampden housed tonight- the very simply answer is: Yes, England does - far bigger youth gates on a regular basis.

    Only just over a month ago Arsenal attracted an incredible 38,187 for an FA Youth Cup semi-final first leg against Manchester United.

    That is the record for a an FA Youth Cup match as far as I know.

    But there have been loads of other crowds down south that would dwarf the Hampden crowd if it is in fact circa 11,000.

    Here are some of the top ones:

    31,037 - Leeds United v Manchester United in the 1993 Youth Final second leg

    30,562 - Manchester United v Leeds United in the 1993 Final first leg

    24,000 - West Ham United v Coventry City in the 1999 Final second leg

    20,600 - Liverpool v West Ham United in the 1996 Final second leg

    20,190 - Manchester United v Tottenham Hotspur in the 1995 Final second leg

    18,651 - Aston Villa v Everton in the 2002 Final second leg

    The 31,037 who saw Leeds United win 2-1 on the night to secure a 4-1 aggregate success against Manchester United in 1993 was the record attendance for any FA Youth Cup match until last month's Arsenal gate.

    An estimated 30,000 also saw Everton win the 1965 Final against Arsenal at Goodison and there were crowds close to 30,000 at Wolves (1954), Blackburn (1959) and Preston (1960).

    And when q George Bes-inspired Manchester United won the 1964 Final against Swindon, there were 25,000 at Old Trafford for the second leg.

    By the way what is all this fuss about the Youth Cup and the Youth League?

    What about the Reserve League where Celtic have won the title by the length of Sauchiehall Street and more with Rangers nowhere to be seen?

     
  • At 26/04/07 21:36, curly said…

    Spoke to pablo just after full time, apparently the wee huns deserved their victory. Look on the bright side - it will convince minty and wattie that they don't have to spend, that in a few years time it will fall into their laps. Good, let them think that.

    John_H -

    Passed through Hatton tonight on the bike, but it was closed.

    No sign of you anywhere, are you sure you live there?

    Curly

     
  • At 26/04/07 21:45, Ardoch said…

    A pitiful performance by the young bhoys, and a pitiful performance by the majority of the support, who started leaving in droves from 3-0 onwards.

    Why bother turning up?

    I'm more annoyed with those so called supporters than the players tonight.

     
  • At 26/04/07 21:48, noel90 said…

    Don't ever steal a car in Govan

     
  • At 26/04/07 21:49, joefillippisflipflops said…

    Just back from Hampden. Game reminded me of Scotland v Saudi U-16 final from about 17 years ago. The mini orcs looked double the size of us height and width. Also a lot fitter and faster. Only saving grace tonight is that it wisnae 10.Was wanting to know if the average age of the sides was the same. Does anybody know? If so well you can tell who practices in a state of the art training complex and who trains on a muddy field.

     
  • At 26/04/07 22:01, Ardoch said…

    Joe the very same thought went through my mind during the game. It was like the 2nd half of that young scotland game all over again....minus the moustaches.

    It could have been worse, it could have been a 1st team game.

     
  • At 26/04/07 22:09, EdwardUrsus said…

    Tobi :- fair enough I was probably guilty of hyperbole, I just find it amazing that a youth cup final can attract more than almost all of the senior clubs in the country.

    EDB :- I'll be the one whose eyes are too far apart compared to the rest of you ;-)
    I'm just under 6ft, glasses and a beard with an Ayrshire accent, you will probably find me nailed to the floor at the door for cleaning your shoes on the way in :-)

    SeanSouth :- OK not only am I guilty of hyperbole bt also of complete ignorance of the facts, I plead guilty to lazy posting :-) On the fuss over the youth cup and league, I agree that they come below the reserve equivalents but to a starving man a morsel is a banquet :-)

    Noel90 :- LMAO it's nice to see we have found a use for Mr Sebo

     
  • At 26/04/07 22:09, Gordon said…

    Just back from Hampden too.

    It was as bad as it sounds.

    Rangers came out the traps all fired up and for me the game was finished when the second goal went in after about 15 minutes. They hit the post just before too.

    All three second half goals came via the counter attack.

    They were more direct, they looked stronger and they had no nonsense defenders.

    Three out of their back four were booked.

    Given the respective League positions we are much better than we showed tonight however this will be a game all the young Celts will never forget for all the wrong reasons.

    Let's just hope it proves to be a character building exercise for those of them who make it.

    Previous Youth Cup Finals :-

    1984 Celtic 2 Rangers 0
    1985 Aberdeen 5 Celtic 3 (AET)
    1986 Aberdeen 2 QOS 0
    1987 Celtic 2 Motherwell 1
    1988 Dunfermline 2 Dundee 1
    1989 Celtic 1 Dundee Utd 0
    1990 Dundee Utd 0 Hibs 0
    (Utd won 4-2 on penalties)
    1991 Dundee Utd 2 Hibs 0
    1992 Hibs 2 Ayr Utd 0
    1993 Hearts 3 Rangers 1
    1994 Rangers 5 Airdrie 0
    1995 Rangers 2 St Johnstone 0
    1996 Celtic 4 Dundee 1
    1997 Celtic 3 Rangers 2
    1998 Hearts 2 Dundee Utd 0
    1999 Celtic 4 Dundee 0
    2000 Hearts 5 Rangers 3
    2001 Aberdeen 2 Celtic 0
    2002 Rangers 4 Ayr Utd 2
    2003 Celtic 3 Aberdeen 1 (AET)
    2004 Kilmarnock 1 Rangers 0
    2005 Celtic 2 St Mirren 0
    2006 Celtic 3 Hearts 1 (AET)
    2007 forget it !!!

    Celtic 9 wins, Rangers 4 wins.

     
  • At 26/04/07 22:10, malone_86_ said…

    Joe

    Only 2 of the team are not elligible to play U19s next sea