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Paris St Germain banned from next League Cup Paris St Germain have been banned from defending the League Cup next season after some of their fans unfolded an abusive banner during this season's League Cup final, the French League (LFP) said on Wednesday. (Guardian)

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Wednesday, May 02, 2007
Champions League prospects dim for Celtic

Celtic’s Champions League Pot 2 proposition for next season has become much clearer this week. Bayern Munich look set for Uefa Cup football next season, they are seven points off a Champions League spot with three games remaining.

Real Zaragoza slipped in Spain, allowing Valencia to open up a four point gap on them with six games left.

The Dutch league reached a thrilling climax, with PSV Eindhoven beating Ajax on goal difference. AZ Alkmaar, who led going into the final day, will play off against Ajaz, FC Twenty and Heerenveen for the final Champions League spot.

Celtic will have a provisional Pot 2 position if Zaragoza qualify along with FC Twenty or Heerenveen, which looks unlikely.

We have never finished above a Pot 1 or 2 team, and if we want to see regular knock-out Champions League football in the next few years, we will need to finish third in the group stage and pick up some points in the Uefa Cup.

You have to give credit to Liverpool; they are not the greatest team in the world by a long margin, but they are the greatest Champions League team in the world. Their victory over Chelsea last night was a victory for sport against an ostentatious show of bling. Where to now for the £400m team?

It will be strange tonight watching two teams Celtic matched this season compete for a place in the Champions League final.

We were a bad refereeing decision away from beating Milan, though I think to progress to the semi final of this tournament you need the strength in depth and consistency that Celtic are still short of. We can raise our game, as I expect we will at Ibrox on Saturday, but the squad is looking tired and short of cover.

Nothing that an interesting summer will not fix.

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Posted by Paul67 at 12:10 PM :: 

315 Comments:
  • At 02/05/07 12:13, paddymcd67 said…

    hail hail

     
  • At 02/05/07 12:17, NegativeAnon said…

    Paul - care to respond to my post on the last thread?

     
  • At 02/05/07 12:18, watchow said…

    wg

    murrays quote referred to the number of league titles rfc had won, not his age, although you may already know that, i'm not sharp enough to know what you're on about half the time.

    whats the pick of the ales in the festival? i seem to remember abbot being mentioned before which is a favourite of mine.


    paul67

    please give neganon his day in the sun. he's going to explode soon and none of us want that.

     
  • At 02/05/07 12:23, CHAMPIONS AGAIN aka BAZ67 said…

    Paul, its great just to be talking about The CHAMPIONS League and being CHAMPIONS AGAIN !!!!

    Off to NYC tomorrow and will be watching the game in The Parlour Bar. Just CHAMPION

    Have a nice day y'all.......

     
  • At 02/05/07 12:24, NegativeAnon said…

    Thanks for your support Watchow!

     
  • At 02/05/07 12:26, ianinjesi said…

    At least the Bhoys were in the CL as Champions!
    With Chelsea losing perhaps they should rename the competition for this season.:-)

     
  • At 02/05/07 12:27, CHAMPIONS AGAIN aka BAZ67 said…

    Lets not forget












































    WE ARE THE CHAMPIONS

     
  • At 02/05/07 12:27, watchow said…

    neganon

    if it makes you happy it makes me happy.

     
  • At 02/05/07 12:28, Awe_Naw_No_Annoni_Oan_Anaw_Noo said…

    I have stated before that the share price for Celtic plc may well have doubled in the last 6 months due to those in the know (i.e already entrenched in Celtic plc financially) and will be more familiar with what the possible situation is with Celtic and it´s playing staff. They will be more familiar with who will likely be leaving and the effect that this will have on us financially. It looks to be positive judging by the share price increases.

    I said earlier in the week that I was happy to hear WGS stating that there will not be wholesale changes at Celtic and I believe for the club to prosper on the European stage that patience with the club and it´s policies is the
    key at this stage. Especially as our neighbours in the EPL are about to remind as twice as hard this summer and that is how very very poor we are in comparison.

    The only speculation that we should be doing is at the low end. We should be recruiting Kenny Miller and Derek Riordhan types on Bosmans and on a reasonable wage and let them increase our overall bargaining power within the transfer market, something which we are already doing and with that aspect I am very happy about it. The other speculation that we should be concentrating on in fact it should be at the very core of Glasgow Celtic is producing our own.

    This brings me on nicely to the likes of Mc Geady, O´Dea, McManus, Kennedy etc. and I am extremely happy with what we are producing again. WGS has shown that he will
    use youth in his teams. He will give them the chance. If we dont give them a chance then we should cancel Lennoxtown now and I dont mean just giving them the occasional game. We need to nurture and act fairly with them ESPECIALLY when they are on the pitch and that extends to the coaching staff as well.

    I watched the Man U v Milan game last week and noticed that Milan done the same as us at OT beaten 3.2. I also noticed that although Man u never got a gifted penalty
    against Milan they did have the luxury that we didn´t have of playing against them having lost Gattuso and Maldini in the second half to injury. One of them will make this years CL final.

    Was anybody overly impressed by the semi final played at Anfield last night ?
    If Chelsea had John Hartson in their team last night they might have had a chance. That was the football that they played all night and Liverpool were knocking it long to Crouch. I was very unimpressed. I think we can live with such "ahem" exulted company
    in a cup tie.

    As far as I am concerned no team has dominated in Europe since the AC Milan team. Having watched Boruc, Mc Manus, O´Dea etc keep Milan at bay and having seen Nakamura and JVOH worry the best in Europe I reckon that we are not that far away from them. We need more fire power and lots of it and a more dynamic replacement for Lennon and a full back. If we got three quality signings I would be delighted especially if it reduces the wage bill although I wouldn´t punt Balde just for that aim. Players like JJ, Graveson, Zurawski etc. are difficult to attract to Celtic and the SPL. For
    that same reason we shouldn´t be letting players like Nakamura and Boruc leave to the highest bidder. Fine if it´s the last year of their contract and their is no
    desire from their part to remain with us.

    The quality and example that these guys set should never be underestimated when it comes to the influences that they can bestow on our own fish and chip munching proteges.


    Any changes to this current Celtic sqaud should be cosmetic. It needs tinkering with and of course it needs improving. To call for the heads of some of the players who
    have been with us for less than a year and are percieved to be under performing is the voice of a customer rather than a supporter. Even these marquee sigings need to
    be nurtured. New county. New culture, New home, personal circumstances etc. need to be
    taken into account and no player under WGS is taking the mickey out of him and if they are they wont be for too long.

    We need to be patient. How patient have Celtic fans been since the Jock Stein era ?
    So I am not really asking for a lot but we are re-establishing our name within Europe´s premier competition. Strachan has done that with a game to spare. We need to set our sights accordingly. Lets win an away CL game, lets get back into 2nd phase CL football
    and try and remain there. Who knows we might even get a surprise one year and win it and win it playing the Glasgow Celtic way - who really cares how we play huh ? I´ll take an o.g 1.0 win in any European final

    I think that this blog should adjust it´s focus from enlightening the support on the
    financial machinations of the plc to getting back to that jungle feeling.

    We dont care if we win lose or draw just as long as we´re there ..... and we are not
    that far away.... ask David Hay

    Hail Hail

    p.s anybody know where I can see the Scottish Cup final in Athens ?

     
  • At 02/05/07 12:32, thismancraig said…

    Who would you rather win:

    Team A - Have never won their domestic league (in it's current format) and finished 4th last year;

    Team B - 700m in debt and finished 2nd last year; or

    Team C - Are only in the competition after appeal, finished 3rd in their domestic league before being deducted 30 points.

    Die Meister, Die Besten, Les Grandes Equipes, The Champions

     
  • At 02/05/07 12:34, BlantyreKev said…

    Neggy bhoy my old son

    You have by your own admission already formulated your response to 'your debate' (we'll overlook the paradox). Why not publish and be damned?

    Does it have to be in response to the main thread? It is far easier to respond than to formulate the original. Post your open opinion, don't wait to shoot down someone else's.

    Go on, hijack this thread and open up the debate. Dare you.


    Or open up your own blog and post a link? Now there's a scary thought, eh?

     
  • At 02/05/07 12:40, winningemmell said…

    watchow -

    all manner of ales for the quaffin, I'm particularly drawn to a cheeky wee number by the name of Spring Goddess, a very bitter tipple which is therefore just up my street. I saw something on the back page of a chip wrapper on Tuesday saying 'Old Firm bigotry will be wiped out in 10 years' so I'm making the most of what little time I have left in the hereon.

    McFlurry owes me/us half a championship. I owe him for banning me/us from Megiddo.

    BAZ67 -


    if you're Irish come into The Parlour. Enjoy amigo.



    Paul67 -

    looks as if we've drunk in the Last Chance Champions League saloon. Like many I cannot wish UEFA Cup football on us. However we'll see. Strange, now that Arsenal are ALLOWED to win they no longer can.



    WG

     
  • At 02/05/07 12:41, winningemmell said…

    Aw naw -

    the Acropolis is twinned wi Hampden so why not there ?

     
  • At 02/05/07 12:43, TheLeftWinger said…

    WG,

    Given both the Winning element of yer 'name' and your daily timelines, I can't believe your favourite real ale wouldn't be Bishop's Finger??

     
  • At 02/05/07 12:45, malone_86_ said…

    I don't mean to sound like a defeatist but perhaps a 3rd finish in the group stages and a nice run in the UEFA Cup would be best? We desperately need a Seville type coefficient booster next season.

    Rangers got more points than us this season which just shows that being in the UEFA Cup should improve our standing for future years...

    Personally I think it's obvious that they should have a shake up of the points system if UEFA teams are managing to get more points than CL teams.

     
  • At 02/05/07 12:49, NegativeAnon said…

    Blantyrekev - I am fully behind us as a support and make no secret of it - what I am fascinated by is why so many seem to decry their own.

    It is up to Paul to open up a debate - not snipe from the back.

     
  • At 02/05/07 12:51, winningemmell said…

    Lefty -

    anything by Brakspeare, the only English Pope's family brewery.

    The ML2ers will tell you my fav beer is Fuller's London Pride or The Pride of London as I call it, lovely stuff....

     
  • At 02/05/07 12:52, watchow said…

    this from the bbc website:

    Security scare over Man Utd match

    It is thought that trouble may break out at Wednesday night's game
    Manchester United have been warned of a security scare ahead of its Champions League semi-final with AC Milan.

    The Independent Manchester United Supporters Association (IMUSA) believes Roma's Ultras are to travel to the game in Italy on Wednesday to cause trouble.


    Fans are being warned not to speak English or wear United's colours.


    eh?

     
  • At 02/05/07 12:56, BigChipSuk said…

    Watchow, are you surprised after all the trouble we had in Milan?

    :o)

    Trouble standing up after drinking 20 pints a day for 4 days!

     
  • At 02/05/07 12:57, watchow said…

    wg

    love a bit of london pride myself although it does tend to leave me suffering from ale erse.

    also worth a mention is wadworth 6x or if i'm feeling particularly confident hobgobblin. some of my worst rubbish ever posted on here is down to those two.

     
  • At 02/05/07 13:00, Paul67 said…

    Neg Anon, I see Neil gave you a very full response towards the end of the thread. I will only add that I look forward to reading your full retraction when Celtic reintroduce the tax asset in this years accounts.

    I have not been moved to debate ‘what is a Celtic fan’ as I cannot see the merit. There is a belief in football that fans cannot be criticised; some people think that is all right to abuse Neil Lennon for losing a game to Rangers, I disagree.

    Abuse is abuse and is not acceptable. I think this is acting like a customer demanding a product rather than a Celtic fan. Some people clearly feel differently (as you may); such is life.

    I had my say on the subject a couple of months ago, as did you. You criticised me in very strong terms and have made references to my initial comments many times since (which really is not the way to convince me to do something). Yes, I am often short of material, but that does not mean I want to start a ‘I can sing what I want/shout what I want’ debate.

    As BlantyreKev suggested, and I invited you to do at the time, you are welcome to have "your" debate here. I make very few requests on what people can or cannot write, but by the same token, I write what I want to write about.

    Yesterday it was Leeds, today, the Champions League, who knows what tomorrow will bring; that is the exciting part of being able to blog.

    As far as comparing me to a pig goes, not impressed.

     
  • At 02/05/07 13:04, Celtic_Gucks said…

    Paul

    "ostentatious show of bling"-love it.

    I must say my favourite part of last nite was seeing Mourinho on the pitch after the game heartbroken. I laughed long and hard. Does this make me a bad person?? £400m for a Carling cup. Roman will not be a happy billionaire.....

     
  • At 02/05/07 13:08, bangkokbhoy said…

    Malone_86_

    Totally agree. the points system needs a massive shake up. It has been highlighted this year where we have taken points off two CL semi-finalists and ended up with less points than a team we put out. Benfica!
    And don't get me started about our neighbours and how they have amassed their points(which, for anybody who doesn't know yet, amounts to more than ours).

     
  • At 02/05/07 13:09, BigChipSuk said…

    At the end of the game last night I think the Anfield officials should have played the Beatles' "Can't buy me love" over the PA system. In the circumstances, considering the respective supports, I think that would have been appropriate!

     
  • At 02/05/07 13:15, Paul67 said…

    There is a petition referenced on the Quick News section at the top of the page, demanding that disabled Celtic fans are given access to Ibrox.

    Does anyone know how this plays with the Disabilities Act?

     
  • At 02/05/07 13:25, michael said…

    WallisGromet-is there no end to the festivities in ML2?First it's WishStock,now it's real ale.I'm surprised you all can find the time for'a marching season'.

    AWNAON-I think El Gordo is overrated as a developer of young talent.The only player he has brought through this year is Darren O'dea,and even now he's playing second fiddle to the venerable Chewbacca.Last year when the League was won with 5 games to go he was still playing the same old faces,and I expect the end of this season will be the same.

     
  • At 02/05/07 13:29, antsman said…

    all this moaning about the points system is OTT if we can not outqualify 1st and second seeds then frankly are we not rightly 3rd seeds. the solution is simple, not uefa cup runs its get better so we can outqualify these teams

     
  • At 02/05/07 13:29, martinobhoy said…

    Our Champions League prospects are most importantly dependent on who we could meet in the 3rd qualifying round next season.

    Does anyone have any info on some of the likely names?

     
  • At 02/05/07 13:33, Gordon_J said…

    Paul,

    It is the Disabilities Discrimination Act 1995 (DDA) you refer to,

    Part 3 of the DDA came into effect in October 2004 and required businesses, service providers etc., to act to remove barriiers to disabled people using their services. I think the phrase used is "reasonable adjustments".

    If RFC have not acted in the 2 1/2 years since this came into effect, I would think there is a good case that they are discriminating and therefore breaking the law.

    I wonder if any of our fans have raised this issue with the Disability Rights Commission?

     
  • At 02/05/07 13:37, bangkokbhoy said…

    antsman

    I know what you mean but in other sports points are given according to the respective ranking of both participants, thereby if you beat a team lower than you, fewer points are given compared to you beating a higher ranked team.
    In effect that means that our vistory over Man U was more 'valuable' than their vistory over us.

    this seems fair to me considering a ranking system is used when group positions are allocated.

     
  • At 02/05/07 13:37, steadward67 said…

    Sorry totally of blog Paul and I'm afraid this is going to be another rant which will get me a kicking - NegAnon -> I think there is a division although you wouldnt have thought it with the celebrations on Saturday. I for one couldnt stomach it....tell me over and over again how difficult it is to win titles and how winning is the only important thing - I must be one of the ignorant ones - I think it is a load of bull - rotten performance after rotten performance is unacceptable. Playing one up against Hearts is unacceptable - "containing" Inverness is unacceptable - the worst champions in living memory. Thank god Walter Smith wasnt in fron the start cause they wont lose many next season. I think we won the league despite Gordon strachan not because of him and we will improve because Lennon is going although again god knows what would have happened if he wanted to stay. Before I am accused of being a mad tim bigot I welcomed WGS with open arms. However now I wouldnt be surprised if Hartson did come back and then Lennon in January as a panic measure, big pressley as captain in the meantime....Neganon I for one am sick of the posters on here with their superiority complex giving it the old I'm a better fan than you...cause I never hear anything positive at CP these days except for the guys up the back of the Jock Stein - so where are these guys? the empty seats, the singing when we're winning, leaving 10 minutes to go, pie queues round the stadium 10 minutes to half time...would these guys be happy if we only played for the first five minutes got a goal and then booted the ball out the stadium every time we won it or just hold hands packed along the goal mouth...can someone explain to me that performance against Hearts without using the tired old excuse about the league being won, demotivated etc.. I play fives and want to win every week..cant stand losing-...its a complete joke...if the players arent motivated they shouldn't be on the pitch...rubbish absolute rubbish Celtic.

     
  • At 02/05/07 13:40, bangkokbhoy said…

    paul67

    I'm sure that RFC will say that these improvements are 'ongoing' thereby removing any prospect of prosecution.

    Gordon J

    Was there a time limit for the implementation of the DDA?

     
  • At 02/05/07 13:40, michael said…

    http://www.sites-micro.com/as/part01a.htm

    This covers some of the legislation.I think Scottish grounds are also covered by the Taylor Report,although the exact legislation may be slightly different.

     
  • At 02/05/07 13:41, thismancraig said…

    Michael

    I think playing the young lads 'for the last few games' is no more than a token gesture. We don't get a true measure of their worth as they haven't earned the right to play, merely the other players have earned them the right by tieing up the competitive action early doors.

    Last season we had McGeady, Maloney and McManus as integral members of the league winning team. This season you are probably right in that only O'Dea has moved up a notch though I'd argue Evander Sno counts given he was not bought with the first team in mind.

    I want it to be because you are good enough to contribute, at Celtic this means under heavy pressure, not just because there's nothing else to play for.

     
  • At 02/05/07 13:47, Gordon_J said…

    bankokbhoy,

    I don't think that there is a deadline within which improvements have to be made. The key concept is the slippery legal one of "reasonable".

    I guess the key question is whether it is reasonable for RFC to argue that the required work will be carried out this close season. Why could it not have been carried out last summer or the year before?

    Clearly disabled Celtic fans are being discriminated against, as they cannot access what, for the purposes of the DDA at least, would be classed as a place of entertainment.

    As always with new laws the only way to find out is to bring a case against them and to build up some case law on the issue.

     
  • At 02/05/07 13:51, michael said…

    TMC -It is a token gesture,but that doesn't mean it's completely worthless.If for no other reason than people like me would turn up to see some of these youngsters play.Do I need to see SPressley again this season?
    Do I need to see Gerd Miller coming off the bench,knowing he couldn't find the net if it was stapled to his forehead?

    Would I go and watch Darren O'dea?Scott Cuthbert?Finbogasson?

    Take last season-we knew that Naka,AB and the artistformallyknownasMajic would be away for the summer at the WC-they could have been rested.I understand SN will have to play for Japan this summer as well-he should be rested.

     
  • At 02/05/07 13:52, Awe_Naw_No_Annoni_Oan_Anaw_Noo said…

    Michael,

    Since WGS came to town. Maloney, Mc Geady, Mc Manus, O´ Dea, Sno have all been given regular runs in the team. Guys like Marshall, Beattie and Kennedy maybe more so injuries permitting. Guys like Sheridan, Quinn have all seen 1st team action this season.

    1m for Elvis and Hartley might prove to be a very shrewd piece of buisness this time next year. Time will tell although I am not convinced. In fact I am not convinced that all Celtics signings are what can be considered WGS signings. I might be wrong but I reckon certain signings like those from Edinburgh (Caldwell excepted) have been "PL signings"

     
  • At 02/05/07 13:52, Len Brennan said…

    Congratua;tions to both Shunsuke Nakamura and Gordon Strachan for picking up their second award of the year with the Scottish Football Writers' Association awards.

    Naka for Scottish Football Writers' Association Player of the Year and Gordon for Manager of the Year for the second time running.

    Champion stuff Lhads!

    Bishop B

     
  • At 02/05/07 13:59, danny said…

    Who we play in the qualifier will be of far more importance than what Pot we're in.

    Interesting both sides played the long ball to their target man last night. We must have been in the classy side of the draw with ManU & Milan.

     
  • At 02/05/07 13:59, bangkokbhoy said…

    Steadward67

    I'll pick up one of your points and agree that Elvis will be captain next year......

    but I hope he isn't!

    Gordon J

    I have signed the petition already as I think it needs brought to light but feel they will argue that, as all other clubs have been accomodated, they have made a 'reasonable' attempt to address the problem.

     
  • At 02/05/07 14:01, BigChipSuk said…

    martinobhoy, look HERE. Mainly Eastern European teams. But we could be drawn against FC Copenhagen again... How confident would you be of reaching the group stages if that were to happen? (1-0 plus 1-3 equals UEFA Cup!)

     
  • At 02/05/07 14:03, michael said…

    ANONAN-I may be splitting hairs but the likes of Mcmanus,Mcgeady and wee Shaun were all Martinists who were on the fringes of the big team.El Gordo pushed some of them into the spotlight,granted but other than O'dea[E-Sno cut his teeth in Holland]he has been very reluctant to promote young players,even at this stage in the season.

    In general his team selections are conservative to the point of stubbornness.JJPDGreen didn't look like the worst RB we've ever had;why did he not play before Sunday?

     
  • At 02/05/07 14:04, Shelbourne1916 said…

    Paul,

    "pig" refer to george orwell and I think it was a very appropriate reference given the thread it was posted on!

    When I first started reading this blog the articles seemed to come from a neutral view point but it is quite obvious now you are fully aware of the hand that feeds you and in return for your pro board stance you are being well courted by our club's officials.

    And can the happy clappers please stop resorting to insults and questioning the intelligence of those of us who are unwilling to swallow to everything we are told by the board or paul it diminishes your argument.

    The Leeds argument seems directed at keeping expectations down, however we were told on here two years ago to expect no more than a 7 million a year spend as we cannot budget for potential CL money yet we have reached the last 16 this year and have profited in transfer dealings so why should we not expect a greater spend?

     
  • At 02/05/07 14:08, winningemmell said…

    michael -


    Wishaw Were Here ?

     
  • At 02/05/07 14:09, danny said…

    Leeds, while an interesting topic, is irrelevant for us. One of the benefits (there has to be one) of playing in Scotland is that the worst that can happen to us is that we finish second.

     
  • At 02/05/07 14:10, thismancraig said…

    Michael

    There is a massive difference between being on the fringes (McManus at left back) to being first pick and relied upon. Under Strachan (perhaps through a combination of luck, maturity and physical development) they became first choice. Anyway, I'm not one who buys into this mystical 'he's great with young players' line. Managers need to be great with all players, young and old.

    From what I've heard, Cuthbert would have been in ahead of O'Dea if it wasn't for injury (there's that luck thing again).

    I'd also be delighted to see good young players in the team but they have to be along with our established team. Surely Finbogasson has a better chance alogside Naka, VofH etc. Is it any coincedence that both Andy Webster and Christophe Berra have developed into solid, reliable defenders whilst playing Ewok to the Wookie?

    Playing for the Celtic first team is the ultimate aim for these guys, to be achieved when they've earned it. That's one of the main reasons why this nonsensical '2 under 21 rule has to go, its a token gesture and has done nothing to further the prospects of young players.

     
  • At 02/05/07 14:11, michael said…

    WG-one of these days instead of carrying on straight up the M74 I'll follow the Orange Brick Road..

    BCUK-there are one or two teams to be avoided-like Croatia Zagreb and the Mighty Rosenborg.Do you know when these games have to be played-it's not long,is it?

     
  • At 02/05/07 14:12, Awe_Naw_No_Annoni_Oan_Anaw_Noo said…

    Michael,

    we´ll agree to disagree on this but MON hardly gave Mc Manus and Maloney a chance. Did both of them together notch up a combined figure of more that 10 first team games under MON ?

    When was the last time that Celtic did not have a stubborn manager ? in Fact I´ll stat ethat WGS is the least stubborn manager that Celtic have ever had. I hope that is the number one qualification that is sought for when Celtic go recruiting a manager.


    The reason that JJPD has not played before Sunday is loyalty. The same reason that youngsters are not used in meaningless games. I think our pay and performance related wage structure has a lot to do with it.

    There is the counter argument that the punters want to see the best players on the park but WGS picks the team and lives or dies by his decisions. Considering that he has been the most succesful Celtic manager since Jock Stein. I´m happy. In fact looking around at the other quality teams in Europe I´m very happy.

     
  • At 02/05/07 14:14, thismancraig said…

    Awe_Naw

    Out of curiosty, what did PL gain out of the Hearts pair?

    I could see the Pressley one, we had 1 fit (ish) centre half for the 4 weeks after we signed him. Hartley, not so sure - other than a distrust of the big name misfits.

     
  • At 02/05/07 14:24, winningemmell said…

    michael -

    ALL roads lead to ML2, it's like The Appian Way only 'appier......oh it's good to be a Roman

     
  • At 02/05/07 14:24, Awe_Naw_No_Annoni_Oan_Anaw_Noo said…

    TMC,

    Pressley was a Bosman and is not a big earner. I dont believe that he was signed to cover for Bobo between Feb and May 07 when we were already umpteen points clear and CL cup tied but for Aug 07 and May 08. If Bobo goes then I reckon PL will be smiling and no CB is on the shopping list. Hartley 1m and not a big earner either if he ends up deputising for either Lennon or Graveson again PL will be a happy chappy.

    Riordhan when we already had Naka and Aiden ? and we didn´t exactly hunt the lad down. More of a last minute "well ok then " Why ?????

    I may well be off the mark but I reckon that their is a bit of asset management going on here

     
  • At 02/05/07 14:26, NialX said…

    "Abuse is abuse and is not acceptable." - Paul67

    Does this mean we can expect you to apologise for the abuse you dished out to P&ddy? Or should we not hold our (collective) breath?

    What about the abuse you have directed to Neg Anon over the piece?

    NialX [The Pink Panther]

     
  • At 02/05/07 14:29, thismancraig said…

    Awe_Naw

    So basically PL is our very own mild mannered Vladimir Romanov then? Gordon Strachan doesn't strike me as the type to stand buy whilst PL dictates who is in the squad and who is not. I think it made sense to sign Pressley at the time from a footballing perspective, not sure about Hartley but think it will work out well in the end. Riordan, well I'm not sure he's made the step up yet but has time on his side.

    I think you're pretty far off the mark, all of them strike me as being the signings of a manager who can do as he pleases as he is delivering. Maybe I'm off the mark right enough and Peter is just waiting to unvail Graham Rix!

     
  • At 02/05/07 14:30, watchow said…

    awe_naw

    lawwell has little say in who we buy. strach identifies the players he wants or says whether he wants a player on not who is offered to them. the board may decide that they dont want to sanction a purchase because its bad business, but they do not deicde to buy players. even then its the board and not lawwell alone who vetoes it. he hasnt got that much power at celtic.

    lawwell does the wheeling and dealing but he doesnt identify targets and he doesnt decide whether they are signed or not. his skills arent in that area.

     
  • At 02/05/07 14:38, michael said…

    TMC-'Earning the chance'if Jim O'brien keeps the Pars in the SPL,and then scores a consolation hattrick in the Cupfinal-will he have earned his chance for next year?Seems like a catch-22.

    ANONAN-agreeing to disagree is the oil that keeps the Blog rolling`¬)

    When wee Shaun got his chance the rivals for his position included messrs Moravcik,Larsson,Sutton and Hartson.Not a bad quartet.This year the forward line has been more Jimmy Savile than Jimi Hendrix in terms of excitement.

    Is El Gordo really more successful than Billy MCneill[we'll leave MON out of it]?

     
  • At 02/05/07 14:40, antsman said…

    VERY GOOD POINTS RE PRESSLEY AND HARTLEY

    Awe_Naw_No_Annoni_Oan_Anaw_Noo

    your living in dreamland hartley is useless not one decent performance and we already had grav and jarosik who he has been no better than

    Pressley is no way a low earner he turned down charlton who would offer good money we must of about matched it

    they have bothe been a waste of money

     
  • At 02/05/07 14:40, watchow said…

    actually its the scouting network that identifies the otential signings more then wgs.

     
  • At 02/05/07 14:42, Awe_Naw_No_Annoni_Oan_Anaw_Noo said…

    TMC,

    you have a propensity to put words into people´s mouths when you come across an opinion that you consider to be preposterous. Yet seem unable to be specific about why that is so.

    Why Vladimir Romanov ?

    Why not Rick Parry or Peter Kenyon ?

    If Maloney had been offered the money that he wanted would he have stayed? Would WGS have wanted him to stay? Was it WGS decision to say that your not worth that Shaun ? WE DON`T KNOW

    Why sign Hartley for 1m when we could have signed him for less a year ago ?

    These are all things that admittedly we can only guess at and I have given examples of the thinking behind it. I agree that there is no arm up the back scenarios between WGS and PL but I reckon that their is a bit of give and take on player acquisition and why not ?

    Your opinion as is as valid as mine yet I am not going out of my way to belittle your opinion. Read shelbourne1916 post above and take note.

     
  • At 02/05/07 14:44, PJBhoynyc said…

    'GG from last night ref Champions League.... My thoughts exactly. I am looking forward to a show this afternoon..


    Seems to me any evaluation of the GS youth policy can only be done further down the line. I like how it has gone so far.... But even now it is early days..way to early to pass judgement.....


    BAZ67..
    I will look out for you at The Parlour....

     
  • At 02/05/07 14:46, martinobhoy said…

    Cheers BigChipSuk

    I'd rather think about who we play to get into the Champions League before we start to think about what pot we could be in.

     
  • At 02/05/07 14:49, Awe_Naw_No_Annoni_Oan_Anaw_Noo said…

    OK lets me state when I say PL here I am ultimately saying NOT WGS. It might be a "board" decision what I am hinting at is that there are players who are being recruited with an eye to assest management. I think that it´s a bit naieve that WGS takes no input whatsoever from th elikes of PL. PL gets a phone call and thinsk this could be agood piece of buisness and then calls WGS. They weigh up the pro´s and cons and decide it´s a wortwhile addition to the sqaud. Why not ?

    What´s wrong with that ?

    Pressley had a 6 week old baby and he´s on less at Celtic as what Charlton offered him - he said so when he signed.

    btw I wouldn´t have signed either of them but I was disppaointed when we only spent 650k on Henrik Larrson

     
  • At 02/05/07 14:51, BigChipSuk said…

    Michael, 14:11... Sorry for the delay!

    Celtic will be playing their CL 3rd qualifying round 1st leg on 14 or 15 August and the return match 2 weeks later. Rangers meanwhile could be playing their first CL qualifier on 31 July. So they are guaranteed to be "in Europe" for at least 4 days longer than we were last season!

    For a full list of applicable dates see the UEFA match calendar 2007-8.

    Will we be in Manchester on 14 May 2008 or Moscow a week later? Get your flights & hotels booked now for the best prices!

     
  • At 02/05/07 14:51, michael said…

    WishawGleeclub-is it true they tie a virgin and/or a goat to a telegraph pole in Craigneuk to lure weary travellers to their doom?

     
  • At 02/05/07 14:55, michael said…

    BCUK-Given my current holiday plans they'd better get through the qualifier,if I'm going to see any CL football next season.
    Is the final at OT,or the City of Manchester?

     
  • At 02/05/07 14:55, Paul67 said…

    NialX, a curious contribution. I politely commented when deleting one post with references to a witness in a murder trial and then firmly commented when having to delete a repetition of the post.

    The rules are simple and applied evenly. I am always polite when deleting a comment but never polite when deleting a second consecutive comment. I have no legal team or editorial control (apart from comment deletion) over what is written here, so must engage a persistent matter head on.

    If you can do better, knock yourself out, but let me tell you, it is a whole lot easier criticising others.

     
  • At 02/05/07 14:57, Seville67 said…

    Am I back ?

     
  • At 02/05/07 15:03, winningemmell said…

    michael -

    apart from the odd tar and feathering nothing of that sort goes on in the land of Cardinal and Lisbon Lion, we leave the goats to the darnelists and virgins are things we have only read about in the Good Book


    seville67 -


    you are indeed, how was your trip ?

     
  • At 02/05/07 15:03, thismancraig said…

    This post has been removed by the author.

     
  • At 02/05/07 15:04, thismancraig said…

    Awe_Naw

    I think I was fairly specific about why I think your view on Peter Lawwell being our very own Vladimir Romanov was preposterous.

    Your Quote:

    'I might be wrong but I reckon certain signings like those from Edinburgh (Caldwell excepted) have been "PL signings'

    My response was to make a simple comparison even explaining why I thought the manager had made the 3 signings.

    Need I be more specific?

    I never put any words in you mouth; never insulted you; never belittled your opinion; and never questioned the validity of it.

    How ironic that you bleat on about that whilst doing the same thing too mine? Maybe it's not irony.

     
  • At 02/05/07 15:04, paddymcd67 said…

    michael 14-51
    I'm sure the virgin is from outwith ml2

     
  • At 02/05/07 15:07, Seville67 said…

    After - 4 weeks of frustration I have finally managed to reconnect.

    It would be inappropriate not to congratulate the team on retaining the title.

    Some interesting debate over the last rew weeks. The most frustrating aspect of following CQN is when you lose the ability to blog.

    Any truth in the Roy MacKay rumour ?

     
  • At 02/05/07 15:07, NialX said…

    Let me refresh your memory -

    "By insisting on expressing yourself in this manner you are allowing others to view your personality." - Paul67

    "we all know enough about you to know that you do not take advice" - Paul67

    Polite? Abusive would be a better term. Or is abuse not abuse when it suits a purpose? I have been a long time admirer (but first time contributor) of your site but wondered about the seeming double standard.

    You make the choice to run Celtic Quick News. Comments alluding to your martyrdom cut no ice here but still no apology forthcoming I see. Can I conclude abuse is acceptable for members of the cotterie?

    NialX [The Pink Panther]

     
  • At 02/05/07 15:10, Seville67 said…

    WG,

    the trip was excellent.

    I went to a place called Kilmarnock. Really nice people down there........

    Had a great party with some out of towners but the locals are very polite and not many of them joined in.

    Seville67

     
  • At 02/05/07 15:13, winningemmell said…

    Sorry to bang the lambeg again about this shared championship of 1891. Has anyone seen the flag(s) that was (were) presented to the darnel and dumbarton? I have this vision of a lion eating an elephant or even better an elephant trampling a lion with a saltire backdrop.

     
  • At 02/05/07 15:14, winningemmell said…

    seville67 -

    strange that, they all wanted to join in four years ago



    welcome back

     
  • At 02/05/07 15:15, BigChipSuk said…

    Michael, this is the venue for the 2007-8 UEFA Cup Final, while it looks like the 2007-8 Champions League Final will be played on the hallowed surface of Hamilton Academicals' Douglas Park Stadium...!

     
  • At 02/05/07 15:19, Awe_Naw_No_Annoni_Oan_Anaw_Noo said…

    TMC,

    your post said that Pressley was signed from a footballing point of view ( a stop gap considering the injury situation) as we only had one CB. I disagreed and stated that we were so far in front points wise and that the cup tied Elvis was signed to bed in before Bobo is removed from the wage bill and that would make PL a happy bunny. A fiar point I thought

    You then went on and stated in your usual emphatic way that you were unsure about Hartley and Riordhan. Nothing like being certain huh ?

    .. you then went on to mention that PL will be unveiling Graham Rix ..

    Although we have a difference in opinion there is no need to start insulting those that differ from your emphatic opinion.

    Lets just agree to ignore one another from now on (ad infinitum)

     
  • At 02/05/07 15:19, michael said…

    WistfulGooner-the flag in question?
    Some heraldic device that links Dumbarton with the Darnel?
    How about a crab-found on the shore in Dumbarton and in the 'garden' in Govan.

     
  • At 02/05/07 15:21, michael said…

    BCUK-When assessing his co-efficients does the mighty brain of Herr Kassie take into account the possession,or otherwise,of the SFAYouth Cup?

     
  • At 02/05/07 15:23, 31003 said…

    NiallX

    Don't get too upset about what people say of you. I was lambasted, nay, ridiculed, on this very site for expressing my undying love for this beautiful woman
    I just don't understand some people

     
  • At 02/05/07 15:24, winningemmell said…

    michael - I thank you and will give your device some thought. Robyn Hitchcock would be suitably impressed. I think we should include El Diego Bhoy and Chennai for good measure.


    Alas the Teser beer garden beckons for the sun is shining brightly on ML2 in the lovely month of May and there is a pint or twa of the realest of ales with letters WG etched on the chiloggy jugs (tattooed barmaids ?)


    I wish you good spaces wheresoever you travel


    Hail Hail and laters amigos



    WG

     
  • At 02/05/07 15:27, thismancraig said…

    Awe Naw

    Yet more insults from you, did I insult you in a previous life?

    I have yet to insult you.

    I disagreed with you, no more emphatically than anyone else and the Rix bit was a joke (however lacking in humour). Then I was emphatically unsure, that's a clever one.

     
  • At 02/05/07 15:28, NialX said…

    Thankfully I'm (almost) comment free at the moment which was the main reason Ive remained as a lurker for so long.

    The delectable Dawn French has a fine............a fine............bone structure. And I'm sure she has a great personality.

    NialX [The Pink Panther]

     
  • At 02/05/07 15:28, Awe_Naw_No_Annoni_Oan_Anaw_Noo said…

    TMC

    Is it my problem that your not very funny ?

     
  • At 02/05/07 15:29, Kojo said…

    My dear friend, Awe Naw.....@15.19

    Ye are richt!... ye know yer Allium Cepa!( whit?...ed)( Ah, Know!An' ye thought that Awe Naw wiz jist a pretty face?)....
    You are on da ba'!...(Dat's bettah!...ed)( Ah dinna agree... Ah believe dat Awe Naw, deserves a mair sophisticated description o' his deductive powers!)

    Ye have pointed oot something that is obviously...no OBVIOUS,pal....tae some.. tae some!

    Gordo, Pierre and da Board, are in Harmonious Agreement( I detect a tinge of Redundancy, in dat statement!...ed)( You detect?... ye couldna detect a Tree in a Forrest!)

    For as ye rightly point out......

    It is All About Asset Management!

    As collie says... an' ah love his brevity......
    "Catch dem Cheap..... Afore der Dear!"( Ah don't remember him ever sayin' that!.....ed)( Ye don't?... well, if he didn't..... He should have!)

    Anyhow,Awe Naw... pal o' mine....
    Ah like yer thinkin'!.....


    Kojo.
    Yer Pal..... 'til Elvis really does leave da Buildin'!

     
  • At 02/05/07 15:30, thismancraig said…

    Awe_Naw

    There you go, another insult.

    Good job I'm not paranoid like you eh.

    Maybe Paul will send up a new post soon.

     
  • At 02/05/07 15:34, Plato said…

    A hearty "congratulations, and celebrations" to those plucky Liverpudlian chaps!

    And wasn't it great too see yon cheating bar steward, Robben miss his penalty!

    And, yon other cheating bar stewards, Drogba and the two Lloyd Coles', also gettin' papped oot!

    THERE IS JUSTICE, AFTER ALL!

    HA HA HA< TO THE LONDON VILLAGE HUNS!

    Never mind, they can look forward to their mutual celebration of their culture, with our friends from the southside in the summer

     
  • At 02/05/07 15:38, Plato said…

    21003

    "You are not a number. You are a free man"

    "Who is Number 1"?

     
  • At 02/05/07 15:40, michael said…

    Plato,me ole interweb stalker[if that is your real name!-I am expecting a package from Uncle Amazon which will have you quaking in your boots!

    Not even the threat of your imperious wizardry has swayed me from this estimable purchase!

    Lock and load,Platmeister!
    Life is GREEN!

     
  • At 02/05/07 15:42, bambi said…

    Nialx
    I have to say if that's your idea of abuse you must live an awfully sheltered life. We're all big boys on here. As I recall Paul asked P8ddy not to leave a post with regard to an ongoing court case and had to delete the same or similar message twice despite the request.

    Don't get me wrong I enjoyed P8ddy's posts but when the blogger asks you to do something on his blog and you don't do it then he has the right to take action.

    As far as I remeber no one has been asked to leave the blog or has been banned from posting.

     
  • At 02/05/07 15:45, 31003 said…

    Plato

    I Believe Artur Boruc is No 1

     
  • At 02/05/07 15:47, Subterranean said…

    I wrote before that due to having to play a Champions League qualifying round and almost certainly missing out on pot 2, we must have our new squad assembled in time for a full pre-season. Does anyone expect this to happen or will we be playing last-minute transfer window roulette again?

    Chris

     
  • At 02/05/07 15:49, Awe_Naw_No_Annoni_Oan_Anaw_Noo said…

    TMC,

    Just because I tell you that your not funny, don´t take it personally. Again it´s a matter of taste. Now that Kojo is in agreement with me I wont expect you to belittle him with your attempt at humour and call him paranoid. Who knows it might stand you in good stead for a reference some day and I wouldn´t want to be the one to stand in your way.

    Ányway good luck and take care

     
  • At 02/05/07 15:52, gweedorebhoy said…

    Lurking for a while but after today a few things on here are certain

    1. This is pro board blog. Always has been always will be that's why on other sites it's called Celtic Quinn news.

    However nothing wrong with that as we are all entitled to our opinions and the fact paul gets the inside track helps us all.

    He scratches the clubs back they feed him info and lurkers and posters alike get an inside track.

    Anyway all in all we don't have much to complain about as the club seems very well run in all departments from what i can see. i would just love a bit more investment in quality players.

    2. Some will always defend the club to the hilt regardless what is said. Nothing wrong with that either it's thier view.

    3.The blog is without doubt the most insulting to celtic fans I have ever come across.

    Sad internet bullies mostly who don't go to games slagging off Rowdie, republican louts not fit to be celtic supporters. Or even worse people who don't worship the ground the manager walks on.

    They might not get into to your golf club in spain , south africa or japan but they have one thing in common with you they love celtic just as much as you do.

    Celtic is a broad church it means many things to many people remember that before the insults.

    Anyway enough posting and back to my lurking.

     
  • At 02/05/07 16:05, mncelt said…

    NialX

    Strange that you come out guns blazing after lurking so long. Why don't you let those you feel were abused by Paul look after themselves and return to lurking until you have a worthy Celtic related contribution to make.

    Most of us greatly appreciate the work Paul does to get keep this forum going - I for one always come here first for my Celtic news. Comments like your opening gambit are counter productive and destructive to the Celtic harmony generally found here.

     
  • At 02/05/07 16:07, Plato said…

    michael brattback

    You should get your stuff from the Reverend Al from Play.Com, as they charge zero p&p, even if your order is coming from the US of A.

    Your taunts of listening to the Reverend Al cannot harm me, I am listening to the excellent new Rush album, whilst a-drivin in the Platmobile

    31003

    Were you "Celtic Soul Brother", in a past blog life?

     
  • At 02/05/07 16:09, NialX said…

    Hiya bambi,

    I may lead a sheltered life but is that the issue? Making a point about someones personality is pretty insulting in my book. When the owner of the site and perpetrator of the insult then posts saying abuse is wrong surely there is a double standard? Should Paul67s standards not be higher that everyone elses?

    There are ways and means of asking people to do things. Insulting them isn't one of them. I'm a (school) teacher so I think I speak with some authority on that.

    I agree that p&ddy should adhere to the same rules as every one else and I also agree with you that the sanction taken of deleting posts was the appropriate one. It was the first time I have seen this carried out with insults tacked to