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hail hail
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Paul - care to respond to my post on the last thread?
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wg
murrays quote referred to the number of league titles rfc had won, not his age, although you may already know that, i'm not sharp enough to know what you're on about half the time.
whats the pick of the ales in the festival? i seem to remember abbot being mentioned before which is a favourite of mine.
paul67
please give neganon his day in the sun. he's going to explode soon and none of us want that.
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Paul, its great just to be talking about The CHAMPIONS League and being CHAMPIONS AGAIN !!!!
Off to NYC tomorrow and will be watching the game in The Parlour Bar. Just CHAMPION
Have a nice day y'all.......
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Thanks for your support Watchow!
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At least the Bhoys were in the CL as Champions!
With Chelsea losing perhaps they should rename the competition for this season.:-)
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Lets not forget
WE ARE THE CHAMPIONS
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neganon
if it makes you happy it makes me happy.
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I have stated before that the share price for Celtic plc may well have doubled in the last 6 months due to those in the know (i.e already entrenched in Celtic plc financially) and will be more familiar with what the possible situation is with Celtic and it´s playing staff. They will be more familiar with who will likely be leaving and the effect that this will have on us financially. It looks to be positive judging by the share price increases.
I said earlier in the week that I was happy to hear WGS stating that there will not be wholesale changes at Celtic and I believe for the club to prosper on the European stage that patience with the club and it´s policies is the
key at this stage. Especially as our neighbours in the EPL are about to remind as twice as hard this summer and that is how very very poor we are in comparison.
The only speculation that we should be doing is at the low end. We should be recruiting Kenny Miller and Derek Riordhan types on Bosmans and on a reasonable wage and let them increase our overall bargaining power within the transfer market, something which we are already doing and with that aspect I am very happy about it. The other speculation that we should be concentrating on in fact it should be at the very core of Glasgow Celtic is producing our own.
This brings me on nicely to the likes of Mc Geady, O´Dea, McManus, Kennedy etc. and I am extremely happy with what we are producing again. WGS has shown that he will
use youth in his teams. He will give them the chance. If we dont give them a chance then we should cancel Lennoxtown now and I dont mean just giving them the occasional game. We need to nurture and act fairly with them ESPECIALLY when they are on the pitch and that extends to the coaching staff as well.
I watched the Man U v Milan game last week and noticed that Milan done the same as us at OT beaten 3.2. I also noticed that although Man u never got a gifted penalty
against Milan they did have the luxury that we didn´t have of playing against them having lost Gattuso and Maldini in the second half to injury. One of them will make this years CL final.
Was anybody overly impressed by the semi final played at Anfield last night ?
If Chelsea had John Hartson in their team last night they might have had a chance. That was the football that they played all night and Liverpool were knocking it long to Crouch. I was very unimpressed. I think we can live with such "ahem" exulted company
in a cup tie.
As far as I am concerned no team has dominated in Europe since the AC Milan team. Having watched Boruc, Mc Manus, O´Dea etc keep Milan at bay and having seen Nakamura and JVOH worry the best in Europe I reckon that we are not that far away from them. We need more fire power and lots of it and a more dynamic replacement for Lennon and a full back. If we got three quality signings I would be delighted especially if it reduces the wage bill although I wouldn´t punt Balde just for that aim. Players like JJ, Graveson, Zurawski etc. are difficult to attract to Celtic and the SPL. For
that same reason we shouldn´t be letting players like Nakamura and Boruc leave to the highest bidder. Fine if it´s the last year of their contract and their is no
desire from their part to remain with us.
The quality and example that these guys set should never be underestimated when it comes to the influences that they can bestow on our own fish and chip munching proteges.
Any changes to this current Celtic sqaud should be cosmetic. It needs tinkering with and of course it needs improving. To call for the heads of some of the players who
have been with us for less than a year and are percieved to be under performing is the voice of a customer rather than a supporter. Even these marquee sigings need to
be nurtured. New county. New culture, New home, personal circumstances etc. need to be
taken into account and no player under WGS is taking the mickey out of him and if they are they wont be for too long.
We need to be patient. How patient have Celtic fans been since the Jock Stein era ?
So I am not really asking for a lot but we are re-establishing our name within Europe´s premier competition. Strachan has done that with a game to spare. We need to set our sights accordingly. Lets win an away CL game, lets get back into 2nd phase CL football
and try and remain there. Who knows we might even get a surprise one year and win it and win it playing the Glasgow Celtic way - who really cares how we play huh ? I´ll take an o.g 1.0 win in any European final
I think that this blog should adjust it´s focus from enlightening the support on the
financial machinations of the plc to getting back to that jungle feeling.
We dont care if we win lose or draw just as long as we´re there ..... and we are not
that far away.... ask David Hay
Hail Hail
p.s anybody know where I can see the Scottish Cup final in Athens ?
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Who would you rather win:
Team A - Have never won their domestic league (in it's current format) and finished 4th last year;
Team B - 700m in debt and finished 2nd last year; or
Team C - Are only in the competition after appeal, finished 3rd in their domestic league before being deducted 30 points.
Die Meister, Die Besten, Les Grandes Equipes, The Champions
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Neggy bhoy my old son
You have by your own admission already formulated your response to 'your debate' (we'll overlook the paradox). Why not publish and be damned?
Does it have to be in response to the main thread? It is far easier to respond than to formulate the original. Post your open opinion, don't wait to shoot down someone else's.
Go on, hijack this thread and open up the debate. Dare you.
Or open up your own blog and post a link? Now there's a scary thought, eh?
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watchow -
all manner of ales for the quaffin, I'm particularly drawn to a cheeky wee number by the name of Spring Goddess, a very bitter tipple which is therefore just up my street. I saw something on the back page of a chip wrapper on Tuesday saying 'Old Firm bigotry will be wiped out in 10 years' so I'm making the most of what little time I have left in the hereon.
McFlurry owes me/us half a championship. I owe him for banning me/us from Megiddo.
BAZ67 -
if you're Irish come into The Parlour. Enjoy amigo.
Paul67 -
looks as if we've drunk in the Last Chance Champions League saloon. Like many I cannot wish UEFA Cup football on us. However we'll see. Strange, now that Arsenal are ALLOWED to win they no longer can.
WG
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Aw naw -
the Acropolis is twinned wi Hampden so why not there ?
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WG,
Given both the Winning element of yer 'name' and your daily timelines, I can't believe your favourite real ale wouldn't be Bishop's Finger??
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I don't mean to sound like a defeatist but perhaps a 3rd finish in the group stages and a nice run in the UEFA Cup would be best? We desperately need a Seville type coefficient booster next season.
Rangers got more points than us this season which just shows that being in the UEFA Cup should improve our standing for future years...
Personally I think it's obvious that they should have a shake up of the points system if UEFA teams are managing to get more points than CL teams.
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Blantyrekev - I am fully behind us as a support and make no secret of it - what I am fascinated by is why so many seem to decry their own.
It is up to Paul to open up a debate - not snipe from the back.
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Lefty -
anything by Brakspeare, the only English Pope's family brewery.
The ML2ers will tell you my fav beer is Fuller's London Pride or The Pride of London as I call it, lovely stuff....
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this from the bbc website:
Security scare over Man Utd match
It is thought that trouble may break out at Wednesday night's game
Manchester United have been warned of a security scare ahead of its Champions League semi-final with AC Milan.
The Independent Manchester United Supporters Association (IMUSA) believes Roma's Ultras are to travel to the game in Italy on Wednesday to cause trouble.
Fans are being warned not to speak English or wear United's colours.
eh?
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Watchow, are you surprised after all the trouble we had in Milan?
:o)
Trouble standing up after drinking 20 pints a day for 4 days!
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wg
love a bit of london pride myself although it does tend to leave me suffering from ale erse.
also worth a mention is wadworth 6x or if i'm feeling particularly confident hobgobblin. some of my worst rubbish ever posted on here is down to those two.
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Neg Anon, I see Neil gave you a very full response towards the end of the thread. I will only add that I look forward to reading your full retraction when Celtic reintroduce the tax asset in this years accounts.
I have not been moved to debate ‘what is a Celtic fan’ as I cannot see the merit. There is a belief in football that fans cannot be criticised; some people think that is all right to abuse Neil Lennon for losing a game to Rangers, I disagree.
Abuse is abuse and is not acceptable. I think this is acting like a customer demanding a product rather than a Celtic fan. Some people clearly feel differently (as you may); such is life.
I had my say on the subject a couple of months ago, as did you. You criticised me in very strong terms and have made references to my initial comments many times since (which really is not the way to convince me to do something). Yes, I am often short of material, but that does not mean I want to start a ‘I can sing what I want/shout what I want’ debate.
As BlantyreKev suggested, and I invited you to do at the time, you are welcome to have "your" debate here. I make very few requests on what people can or cannot write, but by the same token, I write what I want to write about.
Yesterday it was Leeds, today, the Champions League, who knows what tomorrow will bring; that is the exciting part of being able to blog.
As far as comparing me to a pig goes, not impressed.
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Paul
"ostentatious show of bling"-love it.
I must say my favourite part of last nite was seeing Mourinho on the pitch after the game heartbroken. I laughed long and hard. Does this make me a bad person?? £400m for a Carling cup. Roman will not be a happy billionaire.....
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Malone_86_
Totally agree. the points system needs a massive shake up. It has been highlighted this year where we have taken points off two CL semi-finalists and ended up with less points than a team we put out. Benfica!
And don't get me started about our neighbours and how they have amassed their points(which, for anybody who doesn't know yet, amounts to more than ours).
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At the end of the game last night I think the Anfield officials should have played the Beatles' "Can't buy me love" over the PA system. In the circumstances, considering the respective supports, I think that would have been appropriate!
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There is a petition referenced on the Quick News section at the top of the page, demanding that disabled Celtic fans are given access to Ibrox.
Does anyone know how this plays with the Disabilities Act?
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WallisGromet-is there no end to the festivities in ML2?First it's WishStock,now it's real ale.I'm surprised you all can find the time for'a marching season'.
AWNAON-I think El Gordo is overrated as a developer of young talent.The only player he has brought through this year is Darren O'dea,and even now he's playing second fiddle to the venerable Chewbacca.Last year when the League was won with 5 games to go he was still playing the same old faces,and I expect the end of this season will be the same.
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all this moaning about the points system is OTT if we can not outqualify 1st and second seeds then frankly are we not rightly 3rd seeds. the solution is simple, not uefa cup runs its get better so we can outqualify these teams
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Our Champions League prospects are most importantly dependent on who we could meet in the 3rd qualifying round next season.
Does anyone have any info on some of the likely names?
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Paul,
It is the Disabilities Discrimination Act 1995 (DDA) you refer to,
Part 3 of the DDA came into effect in October 2004 and required businesses, service providers etc., to act to remove barriiers to disabled people using their services. I think the phrase used is "reasonable adjustments".
If RFC have not acted in the 2 1/2 years since this came into effect, I would think there is a good case that they are discriminating and therefore breaking the law.
I wonder if any of our fans have raised this issue with the Disability Rights Commission?
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antsman
I know what you mean but in other sports points are given according to the respective ranking of both participants, thereby if you beat a team lower than you, fewer points are given compared to you beating a higher ranked team.
In effect that means that our vistory over Man U was more 'valuable' than their vistory over us.
this seems fair to me considering a ranking system is used when group positions are allocated.
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Sorry totally of blog Paul and I'm afraid this is going to be another rant which will get me a kicking - NegAnon -> I think there is a division although you wouldnt have thought it with the celebrations on Saturday. I for one couldnt stomach it....tell me over and over again how difficult it is to win titles and how winning is the only important thing - I must be one of the ignorant ones - I think it is a load of bull - rotten performance after rotten performance is unacceptable. Playing one up against Hearts is unacceptable - "containing" Inverness is unacceptable - the worst champions in living memory. Thank god Walter Smith wasnt in fron the start cause they wont lose many next season. I think we won the league despite Gordon strachan not because of him and we will improve because Lennon is going although again god knows what would have happened if he wanted to stay. Before I am accused of being a mad tim bigot I welcomed WGS with open arms. However now I wouldnt be surprised if Hartson did come back and then Lennon in January as a panic measure, big pressley as captain in the meantime....Neganon I for one am sick of the posters on here with their superiority complex giving it the old I'm a better fan than you...cause I never hear anything positive at CP these days except for the guys up the back of the Jock Stein - so where are these guys? the empty seats, the singing when we're winning, leaving 10 minutes to go, pie queues round the stadium 10 minutes to half time...would these guys be happy if we only played for the first five minutes got a goal and then booted the ball out the stadium every time we won it or just hold hands packed along the goal mouth...can someone explain to me that performance against Hearts without using the tired old excuse about the league being won, demotivated etc.. I play fives and want to win every week..cant stand losing-...its a complete joke...if the players arent motivated they shouldn't be on the pitch...rubbish absolute rubbish Celtic.
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paul67
I'm sure that RFC will say that these improvements are 'ongoing' thereby removing any prospect of prosecution.
Gordon J
Was there a time limit for the implementation of the DDA?
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http://www.sites-micro.com/as/part01a.htm
This covers some of the legislation.I think Scottish grounds are also covered by the Taylor Report,although the exact legislation may be slightly different.
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Michael
I think playing the young lads 'for the last few games' is no more than a token gesture. We don't get a true measure of their worth as they haven't earned the right to play, merely the other players have earned them the right by tieing up the competitive action early doors.
Last season we had McGeady, Maloney and McManus as integral members of the league winning team. This season you are probably right in that only O'Dea has moved up a notch though I'd argue Evander Sno counts given he was not bought with the first team in mind.
I want it to be because you are good enough to contribute, at Celtic this means under heavy pressure, not just because there's nothing else to play for.
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bankokbhoy,
I don't think that there is a deadline within which improvements have to be made. The key concept is the slippery legal one of "reasonable".
I guess the key question is whether it is reasonable for RFC to argue that the required work will be carried out this close season. Why could it not have been carried out last summer or the year before?
Clearly disabled Celtic fans are being discriminated against, as they cannot access what, for the purposes of the DDA at least, would be classed as a place of entertainment.
As always with new laws the only way to find out is to bring a case against them and to build up some case law on the issue.
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TMC -It is a token gesture,but that doesn't mean it's completely worthless.If for no other reason than people like me would turn up to see some of these youngsters play.Do I need to see SPressley again this season?
Do I need to see Gerd Miller coming off the bench,knowing he couldn't find the net if it was stapled to his forehead?
Would I go and watch Darren O'dea?Scott Cuthbert?Finbogasson?
Take last season-we knew that Naka,AB and the artistformallyknownasMajic would be away for the summer at the WC-they could have been rested.I understand SN will have to play for Japan this summer as well-he should be rested.
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Michael,
Since WGS came to town. Maloney, Mc Geady, Mc Manus, O´ Dea, Sno have all been given regular runs in the team. Guys like Marshall, Beattie and Kennedy maybe more so injuries permitting. Guys like Sheridan, Quinn have all seen 1st team action this season.
1m for Elvis and Hartley might prove to be a very shrewd piece of buisness this time next year. Time will tell although I am not convinced. In fact I am not convinced that all Celtics signings are what can be considered WGS signings. I might be wrong but I reckon certain signings like those from Edinburgh (Caldwell excepted) have been "PL signings"
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Congratua;tions to both Shunsuke Nakamura and Gordon Strachan for picking up their second award of the year with the Scottish Football Writers' Association awards.
Naka for Scottish Football Writers' Association Player of the Year and Gordon for Manager of the Year for the second time running.
Champion stuff Lhads!
Bishop B
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Who we play in the qualifier will be of far more importance than what Pot we're in.
Interesting both sides played the long ball to their target man last night. We must have been in the classy side of the draw with ManU & Milan.
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Steadward67
I'll pick up one of your points and agree that Elvis will be captain next year......
but I hope he isn't!
Gordon J
I have signed the petition already as I think it needs brought to light but feel they will argue that, as all other clubs have been accomodated, they have made a 'reasonable' attempt to address the problem.
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martinobhoy, look HERE. Mainly Eastern European teams. But we could be drawn against FC Copenhagen again... How confident would you be of reaching the group stages if that were to happen? (1-0 plus 1-3 equals UEFA Cup!)
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ANONAN-I may be splitting hairs but the likes of Mcmanus,Mcgeady and wee Shaun were all Martinists who were on the fringes of the big team.El Gordo pushed some of them into the spotlight,granted but other than O'dea[E-Sno cut his teeth in Holland]he has been very reluctant to promote young players,even at this stage in the season.
In general his team selections are conservative to the point of stubbornness.JJPDGreen didn't look like the worst RB we've ever had;why did he not play before Sunday?
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Paul,
"pig" refer to george orwell and I think it was a very appropriate reference given the thread it was posted on!
When I first started reading this blog the articles seemed to come from a neutral view point but it is quite obvious now you are fully aware of the hand that feeds you and in return for your pro board stance you are being well courted by our club's officials.
And can the happy clappers please stop resorting to insults and questioning the intelligence of those of us who are unwilling to swallow to everything we are told by the board or paul it diminishes your argument.
The Leeds argument seems directed at keeping expectations down, however we were told on here two years ago to expect no more than a 7 million a year spend as we cannot budget for potential CL money yet we have reached the last 16 this year and have profited in transfer dealings so why should we not expect a greater spend?
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michael -
Wishaw Were Here ?
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Leeds, while an interesting topic, is irrelevant for us. One of the benefits (there has to be one) of playing in Scotland is that the worst that can happen to us is that we finish second.
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Michael
There is a massive difference between being on the fringes (McManus at left back) to being first pick and relied upon. Under Strachan (perhaps through a combination of luck, maturity and physical development) they became first choice. Anyway, I'm not one who buys into this mystical 'he's great with young players' line. Managers need to be great with all players, young and old.
From what I've heard, Cuthbert would have been in ahead of O'Dea if it wasn't for injury (there's that luck thing again).
I'd also be delighted to see good young players in the team but they have to be along with our established team. Surely Finbogasson has a better chance alogside Naka, VofH etc. Is it any coincedence that both Andy Webster and Christophe Berra have developed into solid, reliable defenders whilst playing Ewok to the Wookie?
Playing for the Celtic first team is the ultimate aim for these guys, to be achieved when they've earned it. That's one of the main reasons why this nonsensical '2 under 21 rule has to go, its a token gesture and has done nothing to further the prospects of young players.
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WG-one of these days instead of carrying on straight up the M74 I'll follow the Orange Brick Road..
BCUK-there are one or two teams to be avoided-like Croatia Zagreb and the Mighty Rosenborg.Do you know when these games have to be played-it's not long,is it?
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Michael,
we´ll agree to disagree on this but MON hardly gave Mc Manus and Maloney a chance. Did both of them together notch up a combined figure of more that 10 first team games under MON ?
When was the last time that Celtic did not have a stubborn manager ? in Fact I´ll stat ethat WGS is the least stubborn manager that Celtic have ever had. I hope that is the number one qualification that is sought for when Celtic go recruiting a manager.
The reason that JJPD has not played before Sunday is loyalty. The same reason that youngsters are not used in meaningless games. I think our pay and performance related wage structure has a lot to do with it.
There is the counter argument that the punters want to see the best players on the park but WGS picks the team and lives or dies by his decisions. Considering that he has been the most succesful Celtic manager since Jock Stein. I´m happy. In fact looking around at the other quality teams in Europe I´m very happy.
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Awe_Naw
Out of curiosty, what did PL gain out of the Hearts pair?
I could see the Pressley one, we had 1 fit (ish) centre half for the 4 weeks after we signed him. Hartley, not so sure - other than a distrust of the big name misfits.
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michael -
ALL roads lead to ML2, it's like The Appian Way only 'appier......oh it's good to be a Roman
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TMC,
Pressley was a Bosman and is not a big earner. I dont believe that he was signed to cover for Bobo between Feb and May 07 when we were already umpteen points clear and CL cup tied but for Aug 07 and May 08. If Bobo goes then I reckon PL will be smiling and no CB is on the shopping list. Hartley 1m and not a big earner either if he ends up deputising for either Lennon or Graveson again PL will be a happy chappy.
Riordhan when we already had Naka and Aiden ? and we didn´t exactly hunt the lad down. More of a last minute "well ok then " Why ?????
I may well be off the mark but I reckon that their is a bit of asset management going on here
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"Abuse is abuse and is not acceptable." - Paul67
Does this mean we can expect you to apologise for the abuse you dished out to P&ddy? Or should we not hold our (collective) breath?
What about the abuse you have directed to Neg Anon over the piece?
NialX [The Pink Panther]
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Awe_Naw
So basically PL is our very own mild mannered Vladimir Romanov then? Gordon Strachan doesn't strike me as the type to stand buy whilst PL dictates who is in the squad and who is not. I think it made sense to sign Pressley at the time from a footballing perspective, not sure about Hartley but think it will work out well in the end. Riordan, well I'm not sure he's made the step up yet but has time on his side.
I think you're pretty far off the mark, all of them strike me as being the signings of a manager who can do as he pleases as he is delivering. Maybe I'm off the mark right enough and Peter is just waiting to unvail Graham Rix!
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awe_naw
lawwell has little say in who we buy. strach identifies the players he wants or says whether he wants a player on not who is offered to them. the board may decide that they dont want to sanction a purchase because its bad business, but they do not deicde to buy players. even then its the board and not lawwell alone who vetoes it. he hasnt got that much power at celtic.
lawwell does the wheeling and dealing but he doesnt identify targets and he doesnt decide whether they are signed or not. his skills arent in that area.
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TMC-'Earning the chance'if Jim O'brien keeps the Pars in the SPL,and then scores a consolation hattrick in the Cupfinal-will he have earned his chance for next year?Seems like a catch-22.
ANONAN-agreeing to disagree is the oil that keeps the Blog rolling`¬)
When wee Shaun got his chance the rivals for his position included messrs Moravcik,Larsson,Sutton and Hartson.Not a bad quartet.This year the forward line has been more Jimmy Savile than Jimi Hendrix in terms of excitement.
Is El Gordo really more successful than Billy MCneill[we'll leave MON out of it]?
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VERY GOOD POINTS RE PRESSLEY AND HARTLEY
Awe_Naw_No_Annoni_Oan_Anaw_Noo
your living in dreamland hartley is useless not one decent performance and we already had grav and jarosik who he has been no better than
Pressley is no way a low earner he turned down charlton who would offer good money we must of about matched it
they have bothe been a waste of money
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actually its the scouting network that identifies the otential signings more then wgs.
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TMC,
you have a propensity to put words into people´s mouths when you come across an opinion that you consider to be preposterous. Yet seem unable to be specific about why that is so.
Why Vladimir Romanov ?
Why not Rick Parry or Peter Kenyon ?
If Maloney had been offered the money that he wanted would he have stayed? Would WGS have wanted him to stay? Was it WGS decision to say that your not worth that Shaun ? WE DON`T KNOW
Why sign Hartley for 1m when we could have signed him for less a year ago ?
These are all things that admittedly we can only guess at and I have given examples of the thinking behind it. I agree that there is no arm up the back scenarios between WGS and PL but I reckon that their is a bit of give and take on player acquisition and why not ?
Your opinion as is as valid as mine yet I am not going out of my way to belittle your opinion. Read shelbourne1916 post above and take note.
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'GG from last night ref Champions League.... My thoughts exactly. I am looking forward to a show this afternoon..
Seems to me any evaluation of the GS youth policy can only be done further down the line. I like how it has gone so far.... But even now it is early days..way to early to pass judgement.....
BAZ67..
I will look out for you at The Parlour....
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Cheers BigChipSuk
I'd rather think about who we play to get into the Champions League before we start to think about what pot we could be in.
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OK lets me state when I say PL here I am ultimately saying NOT WGS. It might be a "board" decision what I am hinting at is that there are players who are being recruited with an eye to assest management. I think that it´s a bit naieve that WGS takes no input whatsoever from th elikes of PL. PL gets a phone call and thinsk this could be agood piece of buisness and then calls WGS. They weigh up the pro´s and cons and decide it´s a wortwhile addition to the sqaud. Why not ?
What´s wrong with that ?
Pressley had a 6 week old baby and he´s on less at Celtic as what Charlton offered him - he said so when he signed.
btw I wouldn´t have signed either of them but I was disppaointed when we only spent 650k on Henrik Larrson
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Michael, 14:11... Sorry for the delay!
Celtic will be playing their CL 3rd qualifying round 1st leg on 14 or 15 August and the return match 2 weeks later. Rangers meanwhile could be playing their first CL qualifier on 31 July. So they are guaranteed to be "in Europe" for at least 4 days longer than we were last season!
For a full list of applicable dates see the UEFA match calendar 2007-8.
Will we be in Manchester on 14 May 2008 or Moscow a week later? Get your flights & hotels booked now for the best prices!
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WishawGleeclub-is it true they tie a virgin and/or a goat to a telegraph pole in Craigneuk to lure weary travellers to their doom?
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BCUK-Given my current holiday plans they'd better get through the qualifier,if I'm going to see any CL football next season.
Is the final at OT,or the City of Manchester?
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NialX, a curious contribution. I politely commented when deleting one post with references to a witness in a murder trial and then firmly commented when having to delete a repetition of the post.
The rules are simple and applied evenly. I am always polite when deleting a comment but never polite when deleting a second consecutive comment. I have no legal team or editorial control (apart from comment deletion) over what is written here, so must engage a persistent matter head on.
If you can do better, knock yourself out, but let me tell you, it is a whole lot easier criticising others.
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Am I back ?
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michael -
apart from the odd tar and feathering nothing of that sort goes on in the land of Cardinal and Lisbon Lion, we leave the goats to the darnelists and virgins are things we have only read about in the Good Book
seville67 -
you are indeed, how was your trip ?
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Awe_Naw
I think I was fairly specific about why I think your view on Peter Lawwell being our very own Vladimir Romanov was preposterous.
Your Quote:
'I might be wrong but I reckon certain signings like those from Edinburgh (Caldwell excepted) have been "PL signings'
My response was to make a simple comparison even explaining why I thought the manager had made the 3 signings.
Need I be more specific?
I never put any words in you mouth; never insulted you; never belittled your opinion; and never questioned the validity of it.
How ironic that you bleat on about that whilst doing the same thing too mine? Maybe it's not irony.
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michael 14-51
I'm sure the virgin is from outwith ml2
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After - 4 weeks of frustration I have finally managed to reconnect.
It would be inappropriate not to congratulate the team on retaining the title.
Some interesting debate over the last rew weeks. The most frustrating aspect of following CQN is when you lose the ability to blog.
Any truth in the Roy MacKay rumour ?
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Let me refresh your memory -
"By insisting on expressing yourself in this manner you are allowing others to view your personality." - Paul67
"we all know enough about you to know that you do not take advice" - Paul67
Polite? Abusive would be a better term. Or is abuse not abuse when it suits a purpose? I have been a long time admirer (but first time contributor) of your site but wondered about the seeming double standard.
You make the choice to run Celtic Quick News. Comments alluding to your martyrdom cut no ice here but still no apology forthcoming I see. Can I conclude abuse is acceptable for members of the cotterie?
NialX [The Pink Panther]
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WG,
the trip was excellent.
I went to a place called Kilmarnock. Really nice people down there........
Had a great party with some out of towners but the locals are very polite and not many of them joined in.
Seville67
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Sorry to bang the lambeg again about this shared championship of 1891. Has anyone seen the flag(s) that was (were) presented to the darnel and dumbarton? I have this vision of a lion eating an elephant or even better an elephant trampling a lion with a saltire backdrop.
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seville67 -
strange that, they all wanted to join in four years ago
welcome back
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Michael, this is the venue for the 2007-8 UEFA Cup Final, while it looks like the 2007-8 Champions League Final will be played on the hallowed surface of Hamilton Academicals' Douglas Park Stadium...!
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TMC,
your post said that Pressley was signed from a footballing point of view ( a stop gap considering the injury situation) as we only had one CB. I disagreed and stated that we were so far in front points wise and that the cup tied Elvis was signed to bed in before Bobo is removed from the wage bill and that would make PL a happy bunny. A fiar point I thought
You then went on and stated in your usual emphatic way that you were unsure about Hartley and Riordhan. Nothing like being certain huh ?
.. you then went on to mention that PL will be unveiling Graham Rix ..
Although we have a difference in opinion there is no need to start insulting those that differ from your emphatic opinion.
Lets just agree to ignore one another from now on (ad infinitum)
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WistfulGooner-the flag in question?
Some heraldic device that links Dumbarton with the Darnel?
How about a crab-found on the shore in Dumbarton and in the 'garden' in Govan.
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BCUK-When assessing his co-efficients does the mighty brain of Herr Kassie take into account the possession,or otherwise,of the SFAYouth Cup?
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NiallX
Don't get too upset about what people say of you. I was lambasted, nay, ridiculed, on this very site for expressing my undying love for this beautiful woman
I just don't understand some people
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michael - I thank you and will give your device some thought. Robyn Hitchcock would be suitably impressed. I think we should include El Diego Bhoy and Chennai for good measure.
Alas the Teser beer garden beckons for the sun is shining brightly on ML2 in the lovely month of May and there is a pint or twa of the realest of ales with letters WG etched on the chiloggy jugs (tattooed barmaids ?)
I wish you good spaces wheresoever you travel
Hail Hail and laters amigos
WG
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Awe Naw
Yet more insults from you, did I insult you in a previous life?
I have yet to insult you.
I disagreed with you, no more emphatically than anyone else and the Rix bit was a joke (however lacking in humour). Then I was emphatically unsure, that's a clever one.
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Thankfully I'm (almost) comment free at the moment which was the main reason Ive remained as a lurker for so long.
The delectable Dawn French has a fine............a fine............bone structure. And I'm sure she has a great personality.
NialX [The Pink Panther]
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TMC
Is it my problem that your not very funny ?
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My dear friend, Awe Naw.....@15.19
Ye are richt!... ye know yer Allium Cepa!( whit?...ed)( Ah, Know!An' ye thought that Awe Naw wiz jist a pretty face?)....
You are on da ba'!...(Dat's bettah!...ed)( Ah dinna agree... Ah believe dat Awe Naw, deserves a mair sophisticated description o' his deductive powers!)
Ye have pointed oot something that is obviously...no OBVIOUS,pal....tae some.. tae some!
Gordo, Pierre and da Board, are in Harmonious Agreement( I detect a tinge of Redundancy, in dat statement!...ed)( You detect?... ye couldna detect a Tree in a Forrest!)
For as ye rightly point out......
It is All About Asset Management!
As collie says... an' ah love his brevity......
"Catch dem Cheap..... Afore der Dear!"( Ah don't remember him ever sayin' that!.....ed)( Ye don't?... well, if he didn't..... He should have!)
Anyhow,Awe Naw... pal o' mine....
Ah like yer thinkin'!.....
Kojo.
Yer Pal..... 'til Elvis really does leave da Buildin'!
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Awe_Naw
There you go, another insult.
Good job I'm not paranoid like you eh.
Maybe Paul will send up a new post soon.
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A hearty "congratulations, and celebrations" to those plucky Liverpudlian chaps!
And wasn't it great too see yon cheating bar steward, Robben miss his penalty!
And, yon other cheating bar stewards, Drogba and the two Lloyd Coles', also gettin' papped oot!
THERE IS JUSTICE, AFTER ALL!
HA HA HA< TO THE LONDON VILLAGE HUNS!
Never mind, they can look forward to their mutual celebration of their culture, with our friends from the southside in the summer
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21003
"You are not a number. You are a free man"
"Who is Number 1"?
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Plato,me ole interweb stalker[if that is your real name!-I am expecting a package from Uncle Amazon which will have you quaking in your boots!
Not even the threat of your imperious wizardry has swayed me from this estimable purchase!
Lock and load,Platmeister!
Life is GREEN!
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Nialx
I have to say if that's your idea of abuse you must live an awfully sheltered life. We're all big boys on here. As I recall Paul asked P8ddy not to leave a post with regard to an ongoing court case and had to delete the same or similar message twice despite the request.
Don't get me wrong I enjoyed P8ddy's posts but when the blogger asks you to do something on his blog and you don't do it then he has the right to take action.
As far as I remeber no one has been asked to leave the blog or has been banned from posting.
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Plato
I Believe Artur Boruc is No 1
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I wrote before that due to having to play a Champions League qualifying round and almost certainly missing out on pot 2, we must have our new squad assembled in time for a full pre-season. Does anyone expect this to happen or will we be playing last-minute transfer window roulette again?
Chris
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TMC,
Just because I tell you that your not funny, don´t take it personally. Again it´s a matter of taste. Now that Kojo is in agreement with me I wont expect you to belittle him with your attempt at humour and call him paranoid. Who knows it might stand you in good stead for a reference some day and I wouldn´t want to be the one to stand in your way.
Ányway good luck and take care
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Lurking for a while but after today a few things on here are certain
1. This is pro board blog. Always has been always will be that's why on other sites it's called Celtic Quinn news.
However nothing wrong with that as we are all entitled to our opinions and the fact paul gets the inside track helps us all.
He scratches the clubs back they feed him info and lurkers and posters alike get an inside track.
Anyway all in all we don't have much to complain about as the club seems very well run in all departments from what i can see. i would just love a bit more investment in quality players.
2. Some will always defend the club to the hilt regardless what is said. Nothing wrong with that either it's thier view.
3.The blog is without doubt the most insulting to celtic fans I have ever come across.
Sad internet bullies mostly who don't go to games slagging off Rowdie, republican louts not fit to be celtic supporters. Or even worse people who don't worship the ground the manager walks on.
They might not get into to your golf club in spain , south africa or japan but they have one thing in common with you they love celtic just as much as you do.
Celtic is a broad church it means many things to many people remember that before the insults.
Anyway enough posting and back to my lurking.
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NialX
Strange that you come out guns blazing after lurking so long. Why don't you let those you feel were abused by Paul look after themselves and return to lurking until you have a worthy Celtic related contribution to make.
Most of us greatly appreciate the work Paul does to get keep this forum going - I for one always come here first for my Celtic news. Comments like your opening gambit are counter productive and destructive to the Celtic harmony generally found here.
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michael brattback
You should get your stuff from the Reverend Al from Play.Com, as they charge zero p&p, even if your order is coming from the US of A.
Your taunts of listening to the Reverend Al cannot harm me, I am listening to the excellent new Rush album, whilst a-drivin in the Platmobile
31003
Were you "Celtic Soul Brother", in a past blog life?
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Hiya bambi,
I may lead a sheltered life but is that the issue? Making a point about someones personality is pretty insulting in my book. When the owner of the site and perpetrator of the insult then posts saying abuse is wrong surely there is a double standard? Should Paul67s standards not be higher that everyone elses?
There are ways and means of asking people to do things. Insulting them isn't one of them. I'm a (school) teacher so I think I speak with some authority on that.
I agree that p&ddy should adhere to the same rules as every one else and I also agree with you that the sanction taken of deleting posts was the appropriate one. It was the first time I have seen this carried out with insults tacked to the message.
"As far as I remeber no one has been asked to leave the blog or has been banned from posting. "
True. But pejorative statements were made by Paul67. I don't care who they were directed at whether it was P&ddy, Neg Anon, Kojo, Collie or whoever. It was wrong of Paul to do so. Then posting a Kermit like "It's hard running a blog" as an excuse? On the plus side its the only thing that has dragged me from the shadows. After all the football is successful, we are stuffing all opposition, the board are doing a good job and WGS has things covered.
NialX [The Pink Panther]
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Platmeister-is Play.com not just for top 20 stuff,like Steps and McFly?
I must admit I stick to Amazon for choice and previous good service,plus I do read the occasional book.I've also found HMV online useful.I feel guilty sometimes that all this online buying will lead to good browsing shops closing.
When I came up to the big city in the mid 70s a big portion of my grant went on vinyl from Listen,at the top of Byres Rd.
And everything I buy now is looking for the same magic,without much success.
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"Strange that you come out guns blazing after lurking so long. Why don't you let those you feel were abused by Paul look after themselves and return to lurking until you have a worthy Celtic related contribution to make. " -mncelt
Why is it strange? Have I no right to comment on the blog or things I see as not right?
Football wise everything is hunky dory. I have no complaints or suggestions where I think the club could be ran better. Do you? We are running away with the league, the CL was a success, the board are doing great things where is the scope for improvement (over and above keeping staff on board?)
Of course if you have nothing constructive to say to me I could suggest you cut down on the risks of RSI by ceasing bumping your fingers at me. And you don't want to see me "All guns blazing" I'm only asking a civil question.
NialX [The Pink Panther]
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Yawn....
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My dear friend, NialX.....
Wid ye mind running yer ultimate posting by us .....wan mair time?...
We hiv bin accused o' penning the odd....adumbrational subscription... but yer last attempt at substantiating yer reasons for condemning the actions of Sir Paul,that he took in the now famous... p8ddy incident... takes not only one biscuit, but the not inconsiderable contents o' Da WHOLE, COOKIE JAR!
Please, reprise yer reasons.
Kojo.
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michael bratback
As Erchie would say, "WWOOOOFFFF!", and I feel like yon chap from "Life on Mars", and I find myself back in the days of parousing in "Listen" and "The Lost Chord", getting various, obscure American rock bands like "Starcastle", "Zon" and "1994", with the legend "Promotional Copy Only - Not For Re-sale", emblazoned across the front of the album cover!
As for "Play.Com", their choice is very good.
They even have "Starcastle" and "1994" in stock!
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Plato
"Celtic Soul Brother" thats a negatory. I did however post as another name, but I was asked to leave the blog. I di(e)d but was resurrected as 31003, much in the same way as Dr Who
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31003
Well, it's good too have ye back again, me aul mucker!
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TEST
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Back to football.......
as predicted by Willie Young in this morning's Daily Mail, Kenny Clark is the cup final referee. The least bad option, I think! On second thoughts, the non penalty at Ibrox.......
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NialX...
Now has changed to.....Penultimate submission.
Kojo.
Noo, up tae date.
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Right just logged on as I got sent this and I thought it was good
Liverpool banner
Im away to sit under that big yellow thing in the sky which we dont see much of in Ghods town
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Gweedorebhoy -
re the blog being insulting to Celtic supporters - maybe I haven't been reading closely enough, but I can't say I've noticed a great deal of that.
I've certainly noticed an amount of criticism of some of the folk at the games - but that's not the same as insult, and a lot of the criticism has for my money been justified.
I've complained myself on several occasions that a lot of folk (in my area of the ground especially) don't really sing at league matches, only at European games. To me they are like players that only put in the effort when they can be bothered. But this - while it's disappointing - is acceptable.
However, booing and yelling insults at a Celtic player or a Celtic manager is, for me, unacceptable. We've seen a marked increase in this, and I'm pleased I'm not the only person voicing the opinion that it's not on.
Rowdie republicans? Ermmm... think I might just fall into that category myself... But I do try to avoid the lout bit, and I sometimes wish everyone would make the effort. For what it's worth, I don't think it's a class issue as you seem to be suggesting - in fact a number of the "paid-my-money-I-can-shout-what-I-like" brigade seem to me to be from the more well-off end of the spectrum...
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If Gordon doesn't know why he got sent off, then why did he shake the refs hand before heading off to the stand without any protest?
I cant think of any other SPL manager who would accept that they were being sent off without firstly receiving an explanation, least of all GS.
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My dear friend, FatherandBhoy.....
Kenny Clark..??
Yippee!
Kenny is a dyed in da joisey...
CELTIC SUPPORTER!
Ye didna know dat?
Did Ya?
Kojo
Yer pal.....who is a fund o'unfundamental fundamentals.
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greenlion2
Liked the banner, but d'ye ken who "Fat Frank" is?
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kojo
Kenny Clark - Celtic supporter??!!!
You jest, sir!!
I thought it was a pre-requisite for a potential ref too support ABC!
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Ok. getting back to all things Celtic, as a central defensive stalwart that I was, (4 a side, P 3 seven year old at Huntly, many moons ago) for all the central defenders that we now have, I for 1 mis the blood guts and snotters approach of big Bobo. I would suggest that far too often this season our current central defenders have been, in my humble opinion, been bullied into submission by inferior forwards, who, in seasons past were totally terrified of the big man. Ok his wages are a lot, but I'd have him back in my team in the blink of an eye. Anybody want to argue.....?
(Was that awright Bobo?)
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Nialx
I think the fact that Paul had previously asked P8ddy on a number of occasions to delete posts that he felt could not be kept on the blog accounts for the comments re his personality, ie his blogger personality as it's hard to identify someones personality from posting.
I must say that I think the blogs poorer for the lack of posters like P8ddy who I didn't necessarly agree with but he always put his point across in a thoght provoking and readable manner. Most posters on this site tend to do that and that's what makes it for me.
As regards the comment that it's a pro Board blog, I would see it as a pro Celtic blog and to me these should be the same thing if everyone is working to the same agenda.
I don't see a lot of insults towards fellow fans on here and to be honest I find the criticism of GS and the board incredible at times as though they are trying to run the club down. Yes we should criticise constructively when we aren't playing well but that should always be temepered by the fact we are winning whilst not playing well. It would be great to see a team on the park playing swashbuckling football and still winning but that doesn't always happen so I'll settle for just winning at the momnent.
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Frank Arnesen perchance?
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Well said, bambi!
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I'll stick it in rhyme,
So ye might see,
The aspect 'o Paul,
Thats so gallin' tae me,
He preaches high standarts,
while showin few,
by insultin a poster,
who wis airin his views,
Paul sets the etiquette,
Fir the hale blog,
If he gets it wrang CQN,
Goes doon the bog!
Ah like CQN,
And want it tae prosper,
But that only works,
If Pauls good an proper.
So when he lets fly,
wi insults 'an abuse,
ah delurk and write,
a few wee hame truths!
NialX [The Pink Panther]
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Frank Lampard is known as fat Frank on various websites down south, especially football365.
He's not particularly respected by fans of other clubs down there due to his poor England performances
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FAT FRANK LAMPARD
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(Teehee. I didn't really remove a post, I just typed that in. Had you all fooled though, didn't I?)
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The back drop to this weekends game is starting nicely. We have John Hartsons assertion;
"It wouldn't surprise me at all if he was clapped off by the Rangers fans"
With regards Neil Lennon playing his last game at Ibrox as Celtic´s captain.
There is also avery interesting article in todays Daily Record with regards to all sorts of religous leaders being invited to Ibrox this Saturday
With the president of the Rangers supporter club stating "This is a chance to show Ibrox is a place where everyone is welcome"
Maybe Cardinal O´Brien can take along a disabled Celtic fan. Much will depend on the result but a Celtic win and Lenny´s last dayout at Ibrox. We should all sing the original Tina Turner song and see if we can get them to join in with their rendition.
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My dear friend, Plato......
It is da truth the whole truth etc...
Ye dinna know it... but at da moment I am sporting a very natty, White Yarmulke...(So ye are....but ye are no telling the real reason....as usual .....ed)( Okay... so we jist goat back frae da wedding...but ah saw nae need tae be absolutely transparent in ma explanation.... Blabbermouth!)
By da way,pal....
Are ye aware o' whit wearing da White Yarmulke...signifies?
Bein' a guid Catholic (Ye are assumin',again!....ed)( Yer richt... one should never assume..how about a wee "presume", noo an' again, though...they canny mak clever remarks aboot dat woid?)
I presume ye are a Catholic?
If ye ur den ye should know whit the heck ah am oan aboot.....
Oan da other hand.......
Och! Fuggetabouuuuuuutit....
I wished ah had nevah brocht it up!
Kojo.
Yer pal...who is still baskin' in da after-glow o' dat fine Manishewitz.
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Platmeister-I shall peruse Play.com in search of Commander Cody and the Lost Planet Airmen..
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"As regards the comment that it's a pro Board blog, I would see it as a pro Celtic blog and to me these should be the same thing if everyone is working to the same agenda." - Bambi
I didn't say that! I'm very happy with the way Celtic is ran so I would expect CQN to be broadly pro board. I agree with you that it is a pro Celtic blog, and a very good one. I dont know many people who are not happy with the running of the club.
Pauls comments to a poster on the blog were out of order in my opinion. I think there was a lack of decorum shown and the comment was clearly abusive. There was a double standard shown. "Abuse is wrong, unless I, Paul67 do it." Everyone in my department reads CQN and everyone of us was surprised by Pauls comments.
NialX [The Pink Panther]
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turning to the game on sat, i am not feeling confident, walter smith is unbeaten in the league we are still not playing well either. also rangers i reckon have more at stake than us, a victory there lays a marker for next season tho i fear we will see 4-5-1 again with the ineffectual hartley starting again. Ranger slayer grav i feel deserves a start i think we will see caldwell in at right back as well
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michael brattback
I have just checked for you, and they have Commander Cody and his Lost Planet Airmen, in stock!
See! Told ye they had a good stock of music.
Ah dinnae ken aboot their stock of litreature, however!
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Well, it is time for me too leave you all.
Never fear however, mair Platonic keech' later
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Antsman-if Thomas son of Grave is the only slayer in the team then we're Buffed..
PlatWAT-I saw CC and the LPA at the Apollo.I climbed up to the stage and the bouncers wanted to eject me!
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My dear friend, NialX
That's Much bettah.. and yer Complaints regarding Sir Paul's actions in the matter at hand are....Much,Much ,clearer.
Noo, that yer objections are oot in da open...
It is very easy to see that ye are way,way, aff base in yer Reasoning...
Objections dinna amout tae a Hill o' Legumes.....
IF DA REASONING IS IN ERROR!
And your Power o' Reasoning...leaves much to be desired!
Kojo.
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Just in from another day training to be the complete whatever I am supposed to be. Trying hard to catch up with things -
tmc at 11:41 (previous thread)
Gravesen? He's Annoni for the millenium, as long as you've got a bald head and you're a bit of a madskull then you're a cult hero
and WG at 11:50
Curly will be pleased
Thanks guys, I have never felt so proud as when I read those words. "Curly Bhoy, you have finally made it", I thought.
Curlytheculthero
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Curly-when you got your UEFA tickets,did you use Visa,or M/C?
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my grav comments were merely a reference to his goals in 2 old firm derby's this year, nothing more
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Antsman-I share your worries.
El Gordo only changes things if he has no other option so he must be worried about the available strikers if he's only going with one upfront.
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michael
my first thoughts were he was trying something for next season with the formation as i think one up front would maybe work if he played naka just in behind him but that would mean us needing a pacey right winger
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He could play either SN or AMG in the middle-he tried it in Milan.
We will need to come up with something fresh tactically,as well as in terms of playing personnel,for next year.
MON used 3-5-2 with a lot of success for a couple of seasons and thenhad to change it,as even the dunderheids in the SPL could work it out.
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i don't think aiden worked out in milan in fairness but at least we tried something. i feel naka could still be more potent as he is always reluctant to shoot. most of his assists are corners and free kicks would like to see him in the centre threading balls through
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Gweedorebhoy @1552
Thanks for my best CQN laugh of today, when you wrote:
"The blog is without doubt the most insulting to celtic fans I have ever come across."
and in the next breath gave us this description of certain Celtic fans whose attitude you disagree with:
"Sad internet bullies mostly who don't go to games..."
Classic. For me it even edged out Shelbourne1916's inadvertent witticism @ 1404: "And can the happy clappers please stop resorting to insults...".
Shelbourne1916:
I completely agree with you that gratuitous insults - including IMO the invariably pejorative 'happy clappers' - have no place in a civilised discussion.
It's a bit rich, though, that in the same 1404 post where you complain about the insults of others, that you make a highly aggressive and insulting statement about Paul, i.e. that he maintains a pro-board stance specifically to get insider info for his blog.
I and various others have put forward a generally positive view of the board in our postings. What's in it for us? Maybe we're all getting secret freebies for acting as the board's lickspittles? Or could it just be that we (and, as it happens, Paul) have a different perspective from you?
I'm quite happy to have a shot at rebutting someone's arguments, but I would never question their motives and integrity unless I could back up my allegations. Can you back up yours? If not you might want to consider retracting them.
You're not the only one who defames Paul in this way; indeed it seems to be regarded as acceptable comment in the mineshafting community to caricature him as a board lackey. Guess what guys: it isn't, it's the cheapest of shots, and you let yourselves down every time you do it.
NeilR
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My dear friend, Antsman.....
Stand by your comment regarding Tom Terrific.
He was indeed da G.A. Slayer, in dat confronto......
After an illuminatin' discussion wit' one o' ma more reliable correspondents...it was revealed dat Tom da Terrific and A Soiten Party....who shall remain nameless... were and are.. at da proverbial..( Whit proverbial, wid that be?......ed)( Loggerheads, or to be more specific...only Wan Loggerhead, in Particular!)
I know dat I am asking a loat,but if Mr. Strachan could see his way... to select a mid-field...against our bitter bitter... WITHOUT A SOITEN PARTY!...and in dat selection , include, Tom Terrific,and
FROM.... DA GET GO!...
THEN.....
I believe we may have a rehash o' Tommy's foist and also most exciting appearance.
You have no idea how one man can hiv a deleterious effect.( Should dat no be "affect?"....ed)( Search me..wid dae ye want fae me?... Mr. Buckley?)
Kojo.
Yer pal...... until Bush disnae use da Veto.
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kojo the suggestion he is not getting on with gordon does not surprise me seems to be one of a list including Mr Sutton so people have said.
Paul 67, would be interested in your views on starchans abject failure to deliver "high-tempo, total-football Strachan talks off" that is yourself being quoted there. while he has undoubtedly been successful has he not failed on his objective of changing the style of play to the above?
this is not to suggest he has failed but on this which he swept in talking about from day one along with "pace" and "change of pace" being the cornerstone of his vision. to date he has signed 1 quick player in kenny miller, who is currently parked on the bench with the exit door ajar
"If you listen closely enough to what Gordon Strachan has to say the signs are there that bigger changes lie ahead. He has talked about not being sure he has the personnel to play the kind of football he wants to" you said paul67 yet if anything the football has got progressively worse not better
Paul67 i also ask you, are you happy to put up with this ugly, bolton style football next year as long as we win the league?
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Antsman
I agree with all you post ,then at the end ,i have a paradox.
If WGS were to leave, i would want big Sam to replace him.
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Wee Juninho had a good debut against the Nameless,only for it all to go pearshaped[not saying it was his fault]-another example of a bigname signing arriving to almost universal approval from the support,only to fizzle out.
Kojo-are you familiar with a book called'Moneyball'by Michael Lewis?[It may be in the Scranton library]
It's about how to improve a baseball team[the Oakland As]without going bust in the process.
It involves,excuse the jargon,a lot of'blue sky'thinking.
Some of the ideas could be transplanted to Celtic,with some tweaking.
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My dear friend, Antsman......
I regret to point out that you have somewhat misunderstood as to whom , my condemnation was directed in my latest lament.....
In that communication I failed to communicate in an NON Opaque, manner( So whit else it noo?... ed)(Is da Pope a Catholic?... quite!)
If it behoves you...please re- read the said, communication.
Kojo.
Yer pal....... Until Clinton stoaps wearing dat ridiculous Wig!
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Nielr;
My belief was that CQN was setup to counter lazy journalism with regards to Celtic. It does have to remain true to that idiom otherwise the credibility of the blog dies. If some contributors to the blog feel that it is losing that credibility for whatever reasons then I think they have the right to air those opinions. For the record I think that a few of the comments are worthwhile airing and should be noted and acted upon that´s if the credibility of the blog is to remain high. If the blog is not about counteracting lazy journalism but has actually mutated into something else then the moderator of the blog should be aware of this and try to counter act it if the credibilty of the blog is worthwhile holding on to. Some contributors may suspect that Paul67 is a board lackey and have deduced that for themselves in what they see presented and how they are subsequently dealt with having even dared query it. If this is not
done then it becomes a big back slapping clique. Something that anyone associated with Celtic should rightly abhorr it´s against everything we stand for.
Paul´s blog is about airing opinions and keeping lazy journalism in check. Paul67 as we all agree does a sterling job considering many things not to mention a peronsla life and for that we should all be very grateful to him.It is difficult for him to remain magnaminous and above the fray, ideally the moderator of such a good web site should remain anonymous but as it´s PAUL67 blog he has the right to do with it as he pleases. That seems to me to be the problem. The blog has deviated from its original idiom. There has been legitimate accusations in the past that it has been used as a board voice box. Which may or not be true, but the way in which these accusations are dealt with needs to be addressed in a polite and sensible manner otherwise the stench that CQN is a private viechle will not go away
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Antsman
I thought Kojo was referring to Lenny but probably I'm wide of the mark.
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here's a cheery thought...if we lose to the huns at the weekend, they will have ahd the upper hand in this season's derbies....gulp!
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My dear friend, El Diego Bhoy @18.29.....
You are not wrong.(So whit is he, then?....ed)(Go figure!)
Kojo.
Yer buddy.... in Celtic
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Kojo,
leave Lenny out of his last ever game at Ibrox as Celtic captain ?
Something I am missing here ?
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dunfydave
When we lost the league on goal difference in 2003 we had the upper hand in terms of results over the darnel during that season. I recall it said at the time that in any other major league goal difference would not have mattered as it would have been down to head to heads with your opponent.
Can't recall our record against them in 2005 but I suspect we came out on top over the season.
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nialX
i had to look back to reread the p%ddy tantrum to try to see where you are coming from and...
1) I think you are being really rude, more so because it's paul's blog but even if you were that rude about someone else it;'d still be really rude
2) The comments you keep repasting to back up your claim that Paul is mr objectionable don't unfortunately show that at all.
Normally when reading someone on a blog coming on blindly castigating someone for their treatment of someone who left in a huff i'd assume it was them back again under a pseudoname but i dont think you are p%ddy as he was nasty and was generally worth a read even if i didnt agree with him.
Paul - thanks for the blog
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Shittu talk is Scheidt
hail hail
lenny gets the last laugh
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Joerg Butt the reserve goalkeeper for Bayern Leverkusen is in the German press saying he has been approached by Celtic
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madeirabhoy
p%ddy as he was nasty
I presume you mean P8ddy here. Just goes to show you how blogging is such an inaccurate method of communicating. I though P8ddy was a big softie .. there you go
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Kojo...
It is unbecoming of a gentleman to mention a ladies wig...
Awe-Naw
Sounds like good asset management...
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My dear friend, Michael......@18.11
Thank you for sharing.
I have not read the book.
I am sure you are correct,in your supposition,concerning the imposition of The A's plan,by Celtic. would be an Unqualified success....as I am very familiar with the U.S. approach to enhancing the Bottom Line.
On the other hand( Ur ye no sure that ye are NO AN ECONOMIST?...ed)(Okay....I'll re-phrase dat!)
Unfortunately, owing to the Parochial Inhibitions that are extant in the Scottish Business Community.....I very much doubt that the A's Business Plan could/would be implemented successfully, in Glasgow
However.....
There again...owing to the fact,that I have NEVER, read the Book...
Please, do NOT pay the slightest attention... to my conclusion!
Kojo.
Yer mucker..... 'til they name The Lennoxtown Academy... "Bhoys' Town!"
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I am an advocate of Gordon Strachan. I have been since the start.
That is not to say that I feel he does not make mistakes nor that I am at times puzzled by some of his selections and yes, there are moments when I wince at some of his dealings with the media. On the other hand there are moments when I am delighted by his attitude to them.
I also am unhappy at the general standard of play from the team and wonder where this fast flowing football, I believed we would get, has gone to. I am impatient simply because above all I believe football is meant to be entertainment and as with MON’s latter days I am not currently being entertained.
Overall, however, I am consoled by the fact that we reached the CL last 16, won the league again and are in the Scottish Cup Final. I can also take some comfort from the fact that any number of injuries, loss of, or non-appearance of any form from certain key personnel have conspired against Gordon being able to demonstrate that there is a team taking shape that we can be pleased with.
On the balance then I’m prepared to wait and see what next season will bring and whether or not Gordon can deliver quality football alongside trophies. If not guess we’ll just have to settle for the trophies.
No pressure then Gordon.
Happy Clapper CSC No 1
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This hasn’t got much to do with anything at the moment; I just thought I’d fill you in with a bit of football talk.
I was at St Pauli (Hamburg) last Friday and got a blast from the past.
It was a beautiful sunny evening; we got some beer in big plastic tumblers, and made our way through the crowd. Just one minute after getting into the ground I heard “congratulations to Celtic Glasgow at becoming champions of Scotland”; I held my Celtic/St. Pauli scarf up high, and said “Yes”.
We made our way through the crowd!!, that means we walked through the crowd carrying beer and met up with a few punters when we saw them. Think about that happening!
I had an absolutely great time, moving to and fro, talking to people round about me.
We were right up against the fence, but could turn soo easily around and see at will, without any big deal, everything that was happening around us.
Huge banners were flying in amongst the fans. Beer, confetti, banter, a great atmosphere.
It was a tight first half with not much going on.
Second half and it started to liven up. One double sub’ later and the “boys in brown” got their act together. And then.. Goal.
It is really something else when you can jump up and down and move around celebrating with everyone in your group. On this evening it happened 3 times.
What a laugh. At the end of the game my voice was hoarse. There were some Celtic/St. Pauli scarves and the odd Celtic top on view. Even YNWA was sung.
There is a family atmosphere when fans get together and stand together. Even in defeat.
I was reminded of the days at CP, when I saw football good and sometimes desperate. But it is simply something else when you experience it with your pals. You’re together through the good and the bad times, a tight knot of friends standing shoulder to shoulder can share their moments of joy and the depths of defeat with more intensity than being among supporters you don’t know.
Going to CP not that long ago, to sit next to a moaner isn’t what I want.
Bring me back my jungle.
Hail Hail
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Anyone know a charity that accepts old fitba strips? I'm moving house and plan to get rid of some old hoops, etc. I know there was a CQN event a couple of months back, but it was raining...
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My dear friend, PJBHOYNYC....
You misunderstand......
I was referring to Bill Clinton...
who has worn a succession of startlingly ostentatious wigs, since his Governorship Days.
Which is not to be unexpected as he is a Complete Phoney...from Top to Bottom.
Kojo.
yer pal.... an' dinna forgeet that ALMOST EVERY PRESIDENT... and that INCLUDES, Mr. Bush... are proud wearers o' someboady ELSE'S HAIR!
Reagan?......I believe his was an exception...it was not composed o' human hair..... Try Plastic... pure PLASTIC!....I remember, once.. in a driving wind...all of his surrounding entourage, were frantically haudin' ontae thur hats....as the wind played havoc wit their "Do's"....
And there stood Ronnie Boy... Hair Completely Unruffled...defying the elements...and reality!
Plastic? ....... You Bet!
Phoney's? Sure thing!
That goes with the Office!
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I'm looking out at a sunny evening and seeing the rain belting down in Milan.
Love this Global Warming.
Who do we want to win guys?
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Test...Oh Milan..of course
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At 02/05/07 18:58, Awe_Naw_No_Annoni_Oan_Anaw_Noo said…
madeirabhoy
p%ddy as he was nasty
just goest to show my grannie was right, two wrongs dont make a right - P8ddy and he WASNT nasty
derbyshirebhoy - pretty much summed up how i feel but better than i would have written it.
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NeilR,
The "happy clapper" phrase is not one created by myself and is quite often used when referring to themselves by some of those from a pro board stance so it was not meant as an insult so I apologise if any was caused.
Regarding the integrity of the blog I was simply making an observation something you do not have to agree with.
I quite clearly pointed out that I found the articles on this blog to be neutral when I first started reading this site over two years ago.
It now seems no one can criticise the actions of anyone at the club without their own credentials as fans or their intelligence being called into question.
Also the articles almost seem as if they have been taken in short hand from the mouth of BQ when you hear the tone of them.
This at a time when paul67 quite openly admits that he is being accepted and trusted more and more by celtic plc trustees.
Dont get me wrong I am not criticisng him for his stance I am simply pointing it out, NONE of us bite the hand that feeds us so I can understand the reasons for the changing tone of his articles and the new information he can access is useful to us all and gives us an insight we otherwise would not have on the views of those at the club.
The title of this blog suggests we should be done with lazy journalism but although we dismiss the garbage the record writes should we just lap up the polar opposite from the pro board stance where is everything at the club is perfect, or are we entitled as fans to have our view point which can be some where in between?
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What a bizarre afternoon on CQN. Just read over some of the posts and it seems to me that if:
-you wish the manager to be successful
-you think the Chief Exec is doing a good/steady job
-you want the players to do well
-you are generally happy with progress over the last number of years
You are deemed a happy clapper.
Yet if:
-you wish the manager would be replaced 'because I've never liked him' or something similar
-you think the CE is buying players like some Lithuanian Banker
-you wish the players signed by the manager fail
-you wish the players signed by the manager and not playing should be in the team (obviously because of your greater knowledge of the daily goings on at the ground)
Then you are correct, without criticism, and dare anybody who disagrees.
Have we forgotten how we felt through the 90's when a successful season was a victory in the final old firm game which was generally meaningless?
We hardly contested a trophy between 1989 and 1995 and that hurt immensely. I remember winning the league in 1998 - the first in 9 years and never felt any joy, only relief at stopping the unthinkable.
My generation (early 30's!) have never had it so good.
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1-0 Meelan.
Kaka
Must not be a bad player after all eh?
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My dear friend, Awe Naw....@18.48
You are correct in your presumption.
However, I did add a qualification.. that I did not expect my wish to be granted, as it was asking a lot!
One must remember, when I say that I am totally pragmatic in providing my support, I am just that!
If I feel that an individual is no longer performing to my satisfaction... I say so.
Past performances, have no influence on my current opinion.
I believe that the individual in the box is a drawback and a hindrance to Gordo's over- all team success.....
I mean just that.
In a few month's he shall be gone... and all will be forgotten..
Under the present set of circumstances, I would rather see a Celtic Team without his inclusion.
And here is the necessary statement,that is de rigueur, in order to apply a Salve to the shocked sensibilities, of any of my readers who should be so in need of one:
THIS IS MY OPINION and I AM PERFECTLY ENTITLED, TO IT!
Kojo.
Yer pal....still... ah Hope!
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Go on Milan!!
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At 02/05/07 17:19, michael said…
Curly-when you got your UEFA tickets,did you use Visa,or M/C?
Michael -
Sorry for late reply, wisna being snobby, just fell asleep! Must be getting auld. Visa, why?
Curly
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Shelbourne
Are you not reading too much into this article as some kind of board missive, couldnt its timing merely be a topical co incidence after the rumours yesterday that Leeds was going up for sale?
From the BBC yesterday There have been reports that Bates is considering putting the club up for sale but Pearson feels it would be difficult for him to find a buyer.
"I don't know it to be a fact but there are rumours," added Pearson.
"Just about every club in the country is looking for investment or is for sale, if the price is right, but it is a difficult one to move if you have got debt like they have got and no assets - no ground or training ground.
Seems the simplest explanation to me.
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Shelbourne1916
Being the sad individual that I am I mange to read close to every comment posted here. I haven't read anything where Paul67 indicates that he is favoured by the Celtic Board. And indeed if he is then that doesn't give me any grief.
At the end of the day if any of us dislike Paul's way of running the site then we simply switch off. We don't need big debates on it.
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Godfather,
I think your summation is over simplified and polarises supporters into 2 camps, I am happy with the work the CE and the manager are doing but I refuse to accept all I am told as gospel, I see myself as having views from both sides you have laid out so it is not quite as simple as being a "happy clapper" or a "mineshafter" for want of better phrases!
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EDB & Dunfydave... In the 2004/2005 season we won 1-0 home and 2-1 away and lost 2-0 home and away.
Honours even?
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2-0 Meeeeelaaaaaaan.
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EDB,
Since I have started reading this blog Paul has gained access to press conferences and been time and interviews fromthe board's hierarchy now would this be given to someone who openly critices them from time to time? Probably not!
I understand the reasons and am not critising it but I think a spade has to be called a spade!
I am just saying its sad that the credibility of the blog is lessening in my view point since I first started reading. Simply my opinion and I dont expect anyone to agree!
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Shelbourne1916
You can only call it as you see it. I can't disagree with that.
For me, I love this site which if nothing else allows like minded Celtic supporters to communicate.
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And to think some people were upset about our performance against Milan. I think those will appreciate how much effort our players put in after tonight.
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Shelbourne
I tried to make it a simplistic post (not that difficult for me!) to show that sometimes we have to step back and analyse where we are currently to where we were 10-15 years ago.
We were a rudderless ship going nowhere domestically never mind Europe.
We have now managed to disentangle ourselves from this 'old firm' nonsense and will hopefully bury the Southsiders with the correct investment in the team.
We have a chance to compete in Europe.
It would be good for some people to enjoy it!
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HT
2-0 Milan
Terrible defending by Man U.
Several mistakes and misunderstandings including one that led to 2nd goal.
Fascinating game.
Tomorrow's headlines down south will also be fascinating!
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EDB - I never considered the blog was anything other than you describe. I can't imagine what credibility there is or was to lose. I think that when folks come on here trying to stir up trouble it could be that they have conflicting interests and/or harbour jealousy of what Paul67 created here. For me this makes the blog less interesting reading.
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mncelt
How do you view Paul67?
What makes him tick?
Why does he/should he continue?
Would we all be a happier bunch without CQN?
You are all invited to reply.
If I was Paul67 I'd have packed it in a long time ago.
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For a large number of people who post here, the team sets the agenda. Quite rightly!
Come on the Bhoys!
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Dunfydave, Glasgow the Caring City were the recipient of the strips donated by CQN readers, as well as the strips left outside Celtic Park after Jimmy Johnstone died. They do excellent work, and Celtic fans are enhancing their excellent international reputation through them.
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3-0 Milan
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Didny see the famous Celtic losing 3 goals in in 78 minutes in the San Siro.
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ManU need a Keane, Liverpool had Gerard last night. We need a Lennon replacement in the summer.
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3-0 Milan.
Forget Shittu,Kaka' would be just the job[by].
Curly-I haven't got tickets for the UEFACup Final,nor Euro2008;(.
I used Visa but wondered as M/C are'official'sponsors of UEFA then people who used M/C would get some preference.See paranoia..
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Maybes Fergie should have phoned Mr Strachan for some tips.
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FT
3-zip-ididoodaa
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4,500 Man U fans made the trip
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What a result.
Hope Milan qualify for next year's CL through their league position before the final so that I don't have to support the English team.
Milan wanted Liverpool to get revenge for 2005.
The lesson for Celtic is that we now know we can go toe-to-toe with anyone. Even those at the very top. We know improvement is required, but we can give anyone a game.
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Brother Dougal Continues His Witchunt Against Persons With Strawberry Blonde Hair
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Pretty obvious that WGS shook Dougal's hand in a very sarcastic way.
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I think Milan will be hoping for revenge in Athens (their black Wednesday) but Rafa is a fox and it will be very interesting.
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John H-
Obviously he didn't shake it in a very masonic way........
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I had to do a double take when I read your reply Paul.
In all honesty I still can't believe it.
Let me get this right - you make what I thought was an ill informed and unnecessary comment criticising the support in amongst another thread. I challenge you on it and ask you to make it a separate debate. You agree. A few weeks later you tell another poster you are struggling for articles. I naturally remind you of this and you once again agree to do so (though as I remember you wanted to phrase the debate carefully).
I chase you in a good natured manner and today you now basically say no I'm not doing it and I can do what I like cause its my blog!!!
So not only have you gone back on your word but you appear to have taken the huff and run off with the ball.
I'm finding it very hard to find a constructive way to discuss your point. I either ignore it or have a go back - well I'll have a go back then - might as well.
It appears to me to be a somewhat petty and childish way to act.
You say you dont want the debate because you cannot see any merit in it - in fact you have previously said exactly the opposite.
You state you did not want to start a "sing what you want/say what you want debate" - that is not my intention - my intention is to zero in on the insulting remarks about supporters acting like customer - which you once again repeat here. People acting like customers - demanding a product eh? Well isnt that exactly how we are treated by the board - isnt that what they want. When I get invites to come along to CP for a tour and all I need to do is listen to some timeshare nonesense am I not being treated as a customer? When I am asked to but ever more expensive season books but watch less and less investment on the pitch - should I be a dumb sheep who simply accepts it - or should I question it. Now - real customers would tell the company where to go - but there we all are - watching and ever deteriorating product and coming back for more. But its obviously not enough - no we have to sit with a big smile and sing happy songs throughout - no complaining please.
I think this debate is crucial - what I see here is a growing number of prawn sandwhich munchers - who are happy when the punters make a nice noise/atmosphere but would want to be near to the nasty urchins - and when we dont perform - well then the urchins are responsible for poor performances etc etc.
There is indeed a battle for the true soul of Celtic and, from where I am sitting, you and your ilk are the very ones who are betraying the Celtic way. Looking down your noses at the support - who do you think you are? The support is the club - not these temporary custodians that you hold so dear.
As for this abuse nonesense - this is a football match isnt it? Its not a church choir? Well in football matches people get emotional, they get upset and experience joy and grief and go through the ups and downs - what should we start to do - sip our tea whilst cheering occasionally? As I say - prawn sandwich munchers - please make a nice noise for me to enjoy my football!!
As for this nonesense about comparing you to a pig - perhaps you are unaware of the works of George Orwell - but somehow I doubt it - you choose to interpret things as you want - but for a close to 40 year old thats pretty sad.
NialX - I was thoroughly depressed by the response you got (as I was for several others) - MNCelt was the pick of the bunch - go away cause we are all happy and we dont like what you say. Very mature.
Sadly this blog is indeed heading for the skids - it will end the preserve of those who want to congratulate one another on how clever they are and what a bunch of ignorants they have to put up with at CP.
Meanwhile - in the real world - we will get on with being Celtic supporters - going through the emotional rollercoaster and continuing to back the club to the hilt through all these daft products, share issues etc etc - however we will need to deal with our prawn sandwich friends who believe they are superior whilst relying on all of us to keep it going.
So there you go Paul - ignore all you like - in all honesty I still cant believe your response - it really was the lowest point I have experienced on this once fine blog.
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Graeme Souness - what a fountain of knowledge.
I quote " I can tell you one thing - there is no way that AC Milan will go far in this tournament , they are very poor"
1. So either Graeme - you are a total bigot Celtic hater.
or
2. Have little or no knowledge of football and that's why you get sacked from every job you ever get - hopefully a Sky Pundit being the next P45 for you.
or.
3. Both
Would be an interesting poll.
Aaahhhh, it's great to be back.
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Nae bread nae brains.
I am honoured that you decided to take up my monicur for you.
It was said as a joke ,but it does have a humourous ring to it.
A tip of my hat to you sir ,for showing that you don't take yourself too seriously
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paul67
are you sidestepping the question with your quotes i put to you?
kojo if i got it wrong then i am sorry should never assume
Even if he doesn't get on with lennon (if it is him)it should not matter cole and sheringham detested each other
thats favouritism to lennon or whoever it may be surely
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Had my nephew working with me over the past few days. 21 versus 41 so to speak. He is by no means dumb but terribly young.
Up until about 8.00 his bet with Dunfermline, Liverpool and Man U looked inspired.
When I picked him up this morning, he asked if I thought Man U would win. A boost for his bet more than anything else. I said I was not sure - Kaka and it has to be said Gattuso will have their say on the outcome.
But he offered the Roma game as a watchword.
So we ends up getting Philosophical about it all. Well I kicked it off stating how football is very of the moment. But it also has the luxury, sometimes, of remaining on the historical radar.
I said that the Roma game meant nothing and that it was in the past should be more of a worry than a charm. As a fan you would rather have that game coming - because it won't mean much if Milan pump Man U. In time... In time it will be remembered as a great game by Man U fans, but since two or three weeks ago it served only as a stick in the sand as a measure of time.
And it will mean very little now.
But football survives because of its grace and its skill and its sense of belonging... So much so that even moments in time get to live on. Given breath anew.
You probably won't remember every journey you took on the 63... But...
George McCluskey sclaffing that ball? Or was it getting in the way of that ball?
Andreas Thom and that peach of a strike against Aberdeen?
Lubomir Moravcik trapping the ball with his derriere?
Henrik Larsson's snap turn volley in the 3-3 game?
Moments in time...
Celtic, not a bad measuring stick for the journey.
Playing poor? Possibly. Probably. Definitely.
But live in the now.
Because just now?
We are Champions.
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Well, I'm gutted. Much as I dislike English teams, a Liverpool-Man Utd final would have been a dream. Shared flights, shared hotels, mixed sections of the stadium,, hot weather, cheap beer and Greek police. Could have been enough to put us into pot 2 !
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Nrg Anon
I hear I'm coming face to face with you next week.
A few sleepless nights ahead - I think not!
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Neg Anon, you characterise the support as being split between prawn sandwich eaters and the ‘urchins’. I think this is an over simplification. The only regular prawn sandwich eaters at Celtic Park I know are the most bitter, critical Celtic fans I know (for the record, I sit in the back row of the North Stand).
Not only that, but those who share my restricted view area, are a well balanced lot, there is only one person is circa 200 around me who goes over the top at Celtic players. This is not the class war.
I don’t want to characterise one or other group as being the ‘genuine heart and soul’ of the club, as I don’t think we can that division is suitable for this purpose. This is perhaps why I cannot see the merit in “your” debate. I don’t believe that when it comes to Celtic’s soul, there is a ‘them and us’ determined by the price of your seat. There are a lot of Celtic fans with different incomes in different priced seats who will harangue Celtic players in equal measure.
What I want to encourage is positive, vocal, support of the team, which is why I left my original comment. I also want to discourage the treatment Neil Lennon got from a Celtic fan in February, a simple enough proposition. Football is not a church choir, but Celtic Park does not need to be an unpleasant place for our captain to walk off the field.
Supporting Celtic, to me, means supporting Neil Lennon, Aiden McGeady and even Paul Telfer when I though he needed and deserved it.
These kind of things are important (to me) which is why I mentioned them.
Antsman, sorry, I missed your question.
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NialX - You asked "Why is it strange? Have I no right to comment on the blog or things I see as not right?"
Of course you have a right. I just found it strange that you felt compelled to jump in in this manner after sitting on the sidelines so long.
NegAnon - I find your continual attempts to misinterpret Paul67's remarks tiresome. You have made worthy contributions to the site but I find you overly aggressive at times.
EDB - No idea why Paul keeps the blog going:) I think there are a few people on here who would like it to fold so that they can push their own agenda elsewhere. The blog has maybe given Paul access to parkhead that he might not have been able to get previously and there is a strong foundation of support on here. Maybe that is what keeps him going. Long may it continue.
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test
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....just read something on one of the other sites that we won't be doing a "sponsorless" shirt this season. Hope it's not true.
The morality of having kiddies shirts with "Carling" plastered all over them aside, (and my distaste of the Nike empire), I quite fancy the idea of a plain hooped shirt to celebrate 40 years on.
Why can't we have a reversible shirt (logo one side/plain the other) which would suit the sensibilities of all? I've already seen Chelski shirts like this. So why not?
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EDB - Looking forward to it - must improve my mood before then!
Paul - firstly lets deal with the obvious- the occassional nutter who throws these comments directly to a player is of course wrong. A crowd which gets angry and frustrated is not - in fact this is the spark which has often turned a defeat into victory. There have often been times when a bad referring decision or a poor pass have raised the roof and got the crowd and then the team going.
As for my split in the support - of course its an over simplification - just as the happy clapper and mineshafter camps are. However my point remains - Celtic have thrived when we have been together as one - now I see an increasing group who seem intent on blaming the support for acting like every other support.
I think what you want to encourage is compliant obeyance - sadly for you this has never been the Celtic way - indeed this is one of the aspects that I love about Celtic.
I'll bet you dont want to have the debate about the division - but its there and growing all the same. Don't worry - when the chips are down the support - warts and all - will still be there. You state this is not class war - I'm not so sure.
You've chosen to ignore much of what I said - the fact that you have agreed and now changed your mind about this debate whilst posting endless scare story articles about spending tells its own story. Your clear disrespect for many of your fellow supporters - whilst encouraging them to spend their money like customers is distasteful. I can see you dont like this being paraded in front of you - but regardless of some of the sychophants on this site you are not immune to criticism - none of us are.
Finally - MNcelt - when you welcome someone who has chosen to post with a reposte that says - go away I dont agree with you - you lose all credibility - dont even try to lecture me. If you find me tiresome just ignore me - plenty do. As for being overly aggressive - tonight I make absolutely no apologies for that.
PS - you dont always sit at the back of the North Stand.
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Actually MNCelt - I think what you are hinting at is that I and NialX are the same person.
If thats the case come out and say it - at least two of us will have a wee chuckle at how silly it is.
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Paul, Seville67, (and Souness)
MILAN are the greatest CL team ever!
The two semi final saw a triumph for the traditional forces of the European Cup Milan 6 time winners v Liverpool 5 times winners over the cash of Chelsea (no wins) and the glamour of Manchester United (2 wins).
Milan have a score to settle for the injustice of 2005.
My first European Cup Final was in Athens 13 years ago to see the underdogs of Milan wipe the floor with a star studded Barcelona. The Barca end was empty with 20minutes to go! No club since has reached such heights!
For the sake of football I hope Maldini & co get sweet revenge.
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mncelt,
So having your own opinion and differing views = jealously, trouble maker and a conflict of interests?
Here we go again. If you dont tow the party line your wrong and have an agenda, really starting to get sick of such comments!
Believe me I have no agenda, I am simply expressing the views I have on the club I support!
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celticquicknews is starting to remind me of friday nights at the student union when there's a crowd having a good night and trying to ignore the bam (s) who want to start a fight.
Maybe someone should start notcelticquicknews.co.uk or even .ie i guess and those who seem to have developed a real hatred for Paul can go there and enjoy being nasty to each other.
Note i'm not necessarily disagreeing with every point negativeanon nialx etc are posting but really dont like the poison and spoiling for a (keyboard) fight that seems to be here.
If cqn dies off it will because people get fed up or depressed reading it, not because Paul is (alledgedly) a happy clapper.
Maybe if notcqn is a bit drastic paul could put up cqdebates
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Neg Anon
glad you clarified what you meant by acceptable abuse of the team. I thought that you meant that you fully supported some of the expletive laden invective hurled at McGeady by eye bulging purple faces full of what I can only describe as sheer hatred.
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go on the wishy wizard
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Neg Anon, compliance has never been on my agenda, that is unfair and this belief has perhaps slanted you view of me. Look back on all references I have made since raising this subject two months ago, each one has referred to “the occasional nutter” (your words).
I am glad you have latterly accepted my view. Please join me on this subject, as NBNB has suggested, players like Aiden, who will by their nature try things that will not work, need support when things go wrong, as only by trying things that might not work, will they flourish.
Look elsewhere for someone trying to force compliance on you.
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Madierabhoy - this is not a one way street you know - but I am not one for rolling over and having my tummy tickled.
If CQN dies off it will be because good debate has been stifled and prevented - and my we are getting close.
NBNC - if you are expecting sweetness and light and smiley faces perhaps you are spending your spare time on the wrong hobby - why not try cross stitch etc?
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Neg Anon
Used to work in a steelworks not a sewing bee. I have no time for hate filled invective from anyone - its not a 'class' thing - I dont see any need for complete lack of respect.
You are at double standards here son - calling for respect for your views - while sanctioning completely disrepectful abuse to a boy of 19 for losing a ball or not making a pass.
i think you need to grow up sun, the world is a bad place at times and sometimes football players dont make the right pass - get over it.
Next up. The debate on the benefits of screaming and your kids and beating your wife.
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Nice one Seville67, let's not forget how much of a muppet that man is. Remember his comments after our first leg against Blackburn in the Uefa Cup? Oh how foolish he looked in the end.
I think it's fair to say that Man U have much more quality than us and they still got humped by Milan. All credit has to go to Gordon for his tactics. We came up against this years finalist and semi finalist and we never looked far out of place. A few more good signings and who knows what we can do.
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Ok then Paul - taking your comments at face value - why is the occassional nutter worthy of so much air time? How does this lead to comments around customers rather than supporters etc.
Your comments have not been about the one offs who make it directly personnal - rather - its about the growing unrest and discomfort we all feel at CP. There is no point in denying it - the support in general arent that happy - their "product" as you would call it - leaves a lot to be desired. However the reason why I have focussed so much on the supporter/customer debate is precisly because we are treated like customers and not supporters by the very same people whom you are intent on defending.
As any budding psychologist will tell you - what you make is precisely what you get (also a great lyric from a Moloko song).
I'm sorry Paul but I dont buy this - I was only talking about the occassional nutter - that was NOT what you have been referring to.
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Kevtic
I agree with that. Look also at the times they've been defeated finalists.
Looked them up on wikipedia and although not always the most reliable, it states they have 19 players currently out on loan, and this includes 'co-owned' players - a concept I've always laboured with.
Truly our 0-0 in Milan was a remarkable achievement, but given Man U's away record this season in CL, perhaps our 1-0 was par, albeit in the bigger picture a very good one. And the 0-0 in Milan, Mick and Darren at CBs - probably our best, even if both left-footed.
Highly controversial Gordon saying the other day he doesn't know his best team. I see no problem with that, as it depends on the opponent, home or away, the temporary nature of 'form' and the unknown of who has played well in training.
For the record, given the nature of most of the debate tonight, my dad is 6feet 2.
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Shelbourne 1916
I was so sure that the views you posted would have been shared by most (they certainly coincide with mine) that the Basil Fawlty crack at Sybil contesting Mastermind with her specialised subject .".stating the bleeding obvious" sprang to mind.
I was very surprised at the hostile respose your mild observation elicited.Perhaps I should not have been as some who undertake to "defend" Paul would compromise a steamroller.
This blog was set up as a corrective to the perceived bias and carelessness of the established media.
It seems to me that the club would be failing in their duty if they failed to utilise this popular blog as a direct conduit to the fans .As a quid quo pro I would expect that we would occasionally benefit from inside information.The danger ,of course ,is that one may be seduced by being close to the seat of power(He who sups with the Devil needs a long spoon).
While I respect the right of each poster to have an opinion on how well Paul manages this balancing act ,I think it is fairly obvious that most would feel he does it very well indeed.
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NBNC - what is this complete lack of respect of what you speak. What would you want - everyone singing songs of love and happiness no matter what is going on on the pitch.
Where have I advocated a lack of respect?
This is not about respect for my views - I dont give two figs for that. Abuse - so when a crowd gets frustrated we should just sigh or perhaps say to one another - "oh fiddly dee - we look like letting Rangers in with a chance of the leagure - dash it". What on earth do you expect? You are right - the world is a bad place - where people sometimes get annoyed and (god forbid) might shout a bit - they might even regret it too!!
Now if I was really paraniod I would suggest that you are accussing me of wife beating - just cause I drink Stella on occasion implies nothing!!
NBNC - I think the reality check that needs to take place here is with yourself. Attending football games is a steam vent for many men - do you want me to look out a thousand psychology essays which confirm it?
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Neg Anon, 'oh yes I did'.
Contradiction is a hard argument to refute, as Python said, it is not really an argument.
End of this one for me.
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Fair point Kevtic.
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Anon
I can take fans letting of steam , groans and shouts, Im not against barracking the team. But some of the personalised invective is shocking.
If i abused you in the street like that I dont think i'd be finished before my teeth were out.
The football as a tension blow off valve has been well known since even b4 the first world war, I do understand that. Doesnt make it right.
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Fancy that,it appears the tired old Milan team,managed to beat Man Utd too,sorry hump them,when it was supposed to be the best possible time for Man Utd to have met them.
Well it must have been,it was the best time we could have met them,when they were a shadow of their former selves,
allegedly.
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Guys,
it's getting a bit heavy.
There are some real issues to be addressed like being abused on Sunday for joining in with there's only one Gordon Strachan, like the moron behind me who hates Naka and screams at him every time he touches the ball , like the people who left before the trophy was presented on Sunday.
However scoring points over what is allowed and not allowed is a waste of time.
The bottom line is that the Blog belongs to Paul67. He can set the rules. He has is own opinions. I personally don't see him being at all heavy handed - but if he wanted to be he could.
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NBNC direct personal abuse is always unacceptable. A football crowd moaning and mumping is. If you dont like it what would you suggest doing about it.
Paul- I'm sorry I dont understand your post other than the - I no longer want to talk about this - general tenor. Once again you have refused to enter into a debate with me - a habit which is becoming tiresome.
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I have never been easy with this prawn customer class of supporter/ customer I sing the right songs at the right times know the way forward 'get it up the park', 'track back 'find space' 'pass', type of seat filler.
Plebs.
Mind you my Ideal is a hovering glass box above the park to see the structure of the play and shock treatment buttons at my fingers directed at every seat.
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Negative Anon
I think where you likely lose the understanding and support of fellow bloggers is in your use of pejorative language when debating with someone who holds an alternative view. A more mature approach might be to state your view reasonably, without those niggly asides such as “sadly for you…” etc.
I just think the balance of reasoned debate on this blog, (and your own genuinely held views), is diminished when presented in those overtones. It doesn’t need to be like that? Sometimes I read your stuff and think, “this guy is the blog equivalent of road rage”.
For the record, and before I’m accused of being a sychophant, I think Paul 67 was a bit heavy handed in his tone towards P8ddy in that last debate. However, my overriding feeling is that there’s a “dying to be offended” culture emerging from folks who are waiting to criticise the blog and/or Paul 67. Again, for the record, I think what Paul 67 has established on this blog has been phenomenal, and his commitment & insights deserve the respect and appreciation of Celtic fans across the globe.
There is a genuine debate/discussion to be had amongst Celtic fans which does revolve around the contrasting realities. On the one hand a significant number of season ticket holders (a minority or majority, who knows?) are concerned about the quality of football we have played & the prospects for next season. On the other hand a significant number of season ticket holders (a minority or majority, who knows?) are concerned by the way in which criticism from the stands is foisted upon the players.
Lets have this genuine debate without regressing into blog road rage.
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Neg
Now if I was really paraniod I would suggest that you are accussing me of wife beating - just cause I drink Stella on occasion implies nothing!!
Missed that bit, didnt know you had / wifes / kids / etc
Was just extending lack of respect analogy to another scenario as compare contrast.
Ok, so are you telling me in your point of view its fine to scream blue obscenities at people you dont even know. And that footballers while doing their job have no right to be treated with any respect whatsoever.
Is it a money thing?
If you are on more money are your human rights somehow less important?
Just out of interest how much abuse do you take in your daily job? And if someone was calling you a useless f*,w* every 2 minute would you just ask for a wage rise?
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John
chin chin
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Paul
The achievements of Liverpool in Europe are second to none in UK and only bettered by Real and Milan.
Which is why I would class our 2-0 win at Anfield in 2003 to qualify for the UCSF as our fouth greatest significant result after Inter, 7-1 and Leeds. Better than Ajax twice), Man Utd and even knocking Barcelona out of the UEFA Cup.
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NegAnon ,
"If CQN dies off it will be because good debate has been stifled and prevented - and my we are getting close."
Your own words mate.
All I've read today is a debate about your personal grievance. Not exactly everyones cup of tea. Lets get a Celtic debate up and running instead of oneupmanship and sniping.
Everyone should know we had a certain etiquitte on this blog once which seems to have been forgotten. All I'm suggesting is you follow your own advice as your not advocating a debate rather trying to pick an arguement to serve only your own purpose. We should get back to talking about how we're gonna spend the "Jam"
I'm going into this new "lurking" mode after the Cup final as it seems to be the range these days :-)
I suggest some of you do the same.
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Neg ANon
RE:
At 03/05/07 00:08, NegativeAnon said…
NBNC direct personal abuse is always unacceptable. A football crowd moaning and mumping is. If you dont like it what would you suggest doing about it.
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Well I'd prefer 'Lennon move yer erse' to ' Lennon you are a **** *** ** **** ***'
Thats all. I dont see the need for fans (and I dont mean collectivelly - the support) I am talking about individual nutters continually swearing and abusing the same player
Anyways, that my view, I dont like it, you think its fine and never the twain shall meet.
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Seville67
Yes, fair points which are all the more apposite when, like me, you are considering relocating to be beside mates. One purple-faced one two rows behind me shoted as Maiciej limped off 'hope you enjoyed your last game for Celtic'. Anecdotal evidence all, but within my simple view of the world, anything that could have been shouted by our opponents is off.
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John - you are absolutely correct - but to be honest I've tried that here and gotten nowhere and I must confess to being extremely pissed off this evening.
NBNB - I would draw the line at the abuse being direct and heard by the player. General shouting etc is fine and harms no-one (apart from the very sensitive souls who inhabit this blog). If you want to destroy the atmosphere at CP further then basically tell them to shut up.
Incidentally I left my previous job last week - a big part of the reason I left was that I could no longer take some of the abuse I was getting from fellow exec members - so I have some personal experience with this.
Big Liam - exactly how is this my personal grievance? This is a debate that we should be having openly and fully. Thats all I am adocating - but access denied!!
As for the jam I'm afraid its a myth - there is no jam - and you better like it or else your not a supporter.
As for lurking - you are quite right - cant be bothered with this anymore
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At 23/04/07 14:43, BAZ67 said…
Now we can all try and be like NAKA
And that Gilette free-kick link has occupied much of my life since and I am proud to say I have broken in to the world's top 84,000.
Bloke109. NotexactlyyergoalscoringmidfielderCSC
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Wow,
how come my 'Zen and the art of Celtic supporting' type article got ignored. Then I read the last 2 hour's posts.
NegAnon - I do not come to this site to praise or bury Paul.
At the end of the day i don't think you do.
But, for all your genuinely intelligent prose, you seem happy to clang the same bell day in day out.
I'm reminded of Ben Kingsley in Sexy Beast - Do the job, do the job, do the job...
Take the lead brother. Commit to the debate you wish started. Confront us neophytes.
But more importantly get down to the nitty gritty and tell us all what you want or would like to see going forward.
Don't have blind digs at Paul and his prawn munching myopics. (See how sarcastic it can sound with the right inflection?)
Lay down your mission statement for your Celtic going forward and let the debate start there.
You are a valuable and necessary input to have on this site, and at Celtic Park. But.
Having spent the latter part of my 40 years at Celtic Park with my father (now passed) and my wife -
I would have to/have had consider/considered what is acceptable behaviour around my family.
And anyone is welcome to apply the same degree of inspection to my behaviour also.
And i curse like you would not believe. Not at CP though.
I invent avenues of vocal abuse my wife thinks I should be put away for.
But then, my wife worries I celebrate too much when we do score...
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Debate – why bother?
Hi all 1st time blogger. Please be gentle…..
In my opinion this blog would be a far less frequently visited place without good healthy debate. People wouldn’t post or bother to read if everyone said the same thing over and over. Having a difference of opinion from a fellow poster shouldn’t be a signal to launch a verbal attack on someone simply for holding a contrary view. The thing that alarms me most however, and I wonder if anyone else has picked up on it, is the recent rise is attacks on people’s intellect or intelligence on this forum. I need not go into particulars because it’s in no way helpful or constructive. It appears now that as soon as someone doesn’t agree with a comment made by a fellow blogger it’s because the author of the comment is too thick to understand the grander picture or something of that ilk. This was never a trait of this fine blog previously as far as I can recall. And im sure it’s not why Paul67 started this web site. It is something which will though ultimately drive people away from this forum. Who wants to contribute to something when the likely outcome is an attack on your grey matter?
Let’s keep the debate non personal and focused on issues that matter. Everyone is entitled to hold an opinion and providing their opinion is not offensive or slanderous they should not be castigated for expressing it.
It seems that lately most threads are taken over by any two posters trading abuse and insults, rather than attempting to resolve any issues of conflict. I am almost certain that everyone (bar a notable ed. bear) who visits and posts here has Celtics best interests at heart, so why such venom when we disagree? There is a very real danger that people will loose interest in this place which would be a real pity. There seems to be more space now dedicated to in-fighting, point scoring and handbags than there is to possible signings, best players, who should go, stories of away visits to foreign shores with the team, anecdotes about past players etc….Some of the most intelligent and well thought out comments and view points I have ever read have been posted on here. Real though provoking, emotive stuff. Lets get back to that and forget the inconsequential stuff.
p.s. for the record this place is a duller place with out p8ddy. P8ddy is one of the best guys you would ever know. Even if he is terribly injury prone!!
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NegAnon ,
There isnt any debate. Its all you , you , you. Its seems as if your blogging like a boxer waiting on the bell for round one. Be constructive not destructive. Then maybe some will engage in debate.
I logged on to see if anyone was debating the Sports writers giving Naka and Gordon their Awards for being the best in their particular fields. Alas all we're got is nitpicking. Todays Celtic news is secondary to the bloggers ego.
Interesting these awards as I though the assembled press didnt like Gordon Strachan or is that another myth about the man?
One final note , Milan wiped the floor with Man Utd. They proved their quality and sent that arrogant mob back with their tails between their legs.
Made my day.
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Ultrasonicwonder ,
Welcome.
I'd say P8ddy is now a "Lurker". He'll return when he's ready and throw the usual bolding grenades to light up the place up in the coming preseason. When these 10 weeks arrive and pass with no football you soon get back bursting for the new season and the debate it brings.
He'll be back!
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At 03/05/07 00:08, NegativeAnon said…
"Paul- I'm sorry I dont understand your post other than the - I no longer want to talk about this - general tenor. Once again you have refused to enter into a debate with me - a habit which is becoming tiresome."
Neg, I don't want to seem like I'm getting at you here, but maybe we should try to reframe this a bit. Let's imagine that rather than an internet forum, this is a physical space, like a pub.
Now imagine you are trying to engage in a debate with someone. The person you are trying to debate with gives a brief response, and then says "but I really don't want to get into a debate on it." You press the point further, they again respond briefly but say they don't wish to get into an argument with you on the topic.
Now, if you then press the matter again, do you think it's fair and accurate to apply the word "tiresome" to the other person's attitude?
It's the right of every poster on this blog to discuss whatever he/she wishes, and to bodyswerve whatever he/she wishes, and Paul is no exception.
Personally I have no problem discussing the issue. I think your basic premiss - of "prawn sandwich munchers" trying to impose their values on the (implicitly working-class) "normal" supporters - misjudges the situation entirely. As far as I can see a large proportion of the abusive "pay-my-money" brigade ARE the prawn-sandwichers - if such there be at Celtic Park.
If there is a substantial class-politics element to this situation (and I'm not convinced there is) then I would characterise the abuse-mongers as essentially Thatcherite in their outlook - the uglier face of the free market...
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well said Liam!
it was great to see Naka and Gordon get the recognition for a job well done this season. if we could keep a hold of Naka for another 2/3 seasons we might be in business.
liam, you got any thoughts about who you would like to see come into the team over the close season?
id like to see a top quality creative central midfield player. I think we have the guys in place to score.... we just need to get the ball to them!
cheers
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Ultrasonicwonder,
I'd like to see a midfield engine. A player with Stamina and the physical attributes to dominate midfield. I think Evander Sno is going to be a top player for us. Once properly schooled he'll dictate play through the middle of the park. Although he is a prospect I think he'll get good playing time next season.
I be a little controversial and say I wouldnt buy another centre half. We need full backs to complement what we already have that is obvious but a main proirity is a striker. We need to spend a nice wedge for a proven striker. A little pace to the side would be good.
In all 3 main signings with more prospects to add to the squad. I am excited by next season as I think we'll add quality this close season.
Thats my lot. Night all.
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ultrasonicwonder,
who asked you anyway lol?!
thats a joke in case someone takes it wrong way!
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Shelbourne1916 said...
"thats a joke in case someone takes it wrong way!"
What precisely do you mean by that?
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Some beautiful restful music for anyone still up and about...
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So what do you all think of this Anelka rumour....?
Quality player to scream abuse at or what?
night night
:0)
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shelbourne........ no offense taken. i enjoy a decent ribbing (that sounds terrible) a good joke then!
now i must away and sort my tactics for football manager2007
anyone recommend any decent signings?
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Night, shelbourne.
( What do you mean "night, shelbourne?" )
( Nothing, I was just sayin like... )
( Well just.. don't, right? )
( Aye, OK )
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Hail Hail Champions!!
I see last night the Ali v Foreman continued or shud I call it handbags at dawn.....?
C'mon Guys settle down and enjoy the craic......
Hail Hail
SPCdiplomaticCSC
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Very low point in the history of CQN today. Neg Anon what's the matter? You come accross as a man with a grudge, hell bent on picking a fight with the blog owner. You seem to have a chip on your shoulders these days.
So can we get back to fitba? Theres a game at the weekend that desrves some discussion in the next few days.
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canajunbhoy hope you get some fitba discussion going no one else on this blog seems interested,
hail hail
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Neg Anon
NBNB - I would draw the line at the abuse being direct and heard by the player. General shouting etc is fine and harms no-one (apart from the very sensitive souls who inhabit this blog).
If thats the case, then why go and tell me to join a knitting B rather than go to Celtic Park when all my first post says was, Quote, 22:30 'I thought that you meant that you fully supported some of the expletive laden invective hurled at McGeady by eye bulging purple faces full of what I can only describe as sheer hatred.' ?
If you want to destroy the atmosphere at CP further then basically tell them to shut up.
I dont think these monkeys add anything to the atmosphere of Celtic Park. And yes, I would far rather they shut up than have guys on a football park doing their job getting abuse from them. You gave me a psychology lecture earlier, well its been known since the 60s that positive reinforcement is far more an incentive than negative reinforcement.
Incidentally I left my previous job last week - a big part of the reason I left was that I could no longer take some of the abuse I was getting from fellow exec members - so I have some personal experience with this.
Sad this behaviour continues at any level in society - hope you move to better things.
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Anybody up for a discussion on the rights and wrongs of political and /or religous songs ?
Anybody ?
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Lenny
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May 3
Sts Philip & James, Apostles
I think we should stick to the Philips
Con - jukyembra
Swalex of San Siwo I swalute you
WG
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I can only come with three Sellik Phils
Gormley, O'Donnell and Watson
- emdy ?
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How about a debate about what GS got sent to the stand for, why he shook the ref's hand before he went, and why the club have alledged that he went to the stand without knowing why he was being sent there? The truth is out there.
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Con - Neville
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Pro - Coulter
Pro - Oakey
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I know many of you don't read the record but you may be interested in this.
Celtic shares
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Con - Sebo
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rattles prams toys dummies oot the
boo hoo he said i said u wont say
im not coming back im back im away
me again
ffs
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WinGate Bhoy
Philip Bailey
Philip and Lizie
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hoopla (fae early doors this morn's morn)
Brilliant!
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paul 67 my question was
Paul 67, would be interested in your views on starchans abject failure to deliver "high-tempo, total-football Strachan talks off" that is yourself being quoted there. while he has undoubtedly been successful has he not failed on his objective of changing the style of play to the above?
this is not to suggest he has failed but on this which he swept in talking about from day one along with "pace" and "change of pace" being the cornerstone of his vision. to date he has signed 1 quick player in kenny miller, who is currently parked on the bench with the exit door ajar
"If you listen closely enough to what Gordon Strachan has to say the signs are there that bigger changes lie ahead. He has talked about not being sure he has the personnel to play the kind of football he wants to" you said paul67 yet if anything the football has got progressively worse not better
Paul67 i also ask you, are you happy to put up with this ugly, bolton style football next year as long as we win the league?
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Pro/Con - Collins
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eu
i'm no expert but i think the jump in share prices doesnt really suggest much at all
the actualy number of shares changing hands was pretty small - there are very few shares bought and sold in celtic because we all tend to keep hold of them.
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antsman
I'd say the high tempo football has to come from the midfield.
With so much going through Lennon and Naka/McGeady being on the wrong side and not being the quickest anyway, high tempo football was impossible.
My hope for the close season is the signing of at least 2 quality midfield players.
I also await with interest to see if we persist with Naka & McGeady, both good players but I'm not sure if playing them in their current positions is effective.
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Winninggemmell 08.03
What abot the Irish/Turk?
Phil Yarbutz
His gay Irish cousin.
Phil McCracken
His intelligent Irish pal
Phil O'Sofical.
Or his generous Cypriot friend,
Phil Anthropist.
The all sung
Philitsagranoldteamtoplayfor.
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Is this the article that Gordon Strachan is continually measured against?
http://football.guardian.co.uk/Columnists/Column/0,4284,1390220,00.html
I felt some of his early comments portrayed a naiviety of what it takes to be Celtic manager. I'm glad that he developed a more pragmatic approach towards winning.
I think he is genuine in his view about how the game should be played and has been let down badly by his personnel this season in terms of the quality of their performances. Nobody can question their winning mentality.
Had Petrov and Maloney (£1m for 1 goal and a few sub appeareances) stayed and performed, had JVofH stayed fit and built a partnership with either Miller or Zurawski, had Jarosik or Gravesen 'did what it says on the tin' then maybe we'd have a different view of this team and the manager.
As it happens, performances have been dull but successful but Europe was approaching exceptional - a bit like MON's 2nd season I think where the Hartson / Sutton conundrum, losing twice at Hampden to Rangers and a general anti-climactic end to the season left us treading water domestically.
I'm still hopefully we'll see some better stuff next season with Lennon's departure freeing up space to do a bit of freshening up. As long as we replace the winner that is!
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tinytim -
top marks amigo
Con - The Fluter
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danny i agree but this was said 2 years ago and we are still nowhere near it. if its impossible under the set-up in midfield who's failure is that, Strachan made the claim yet he picks the midfield which you suggest makes it "impossible"
i don't believe we will sign midfielders in the summer, frankly i am very worried that strachan sees hartley as a first choice as well
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Whit a day.....or so I thought. Came into work only to discover that the boss is aff no well. Yippee I thought, then went to my in tray. Whits there? A letter fae the boss. No an ordinary letter mind you, a warning letter. It reads, "Dear 31003, it has come to my attention that you are spending most of your time at work "ensconsed"? in your computer, in some web site known as CQN. You are paid to work, not peruse football sites. If you do not buck up your ideas and get on with some work I am afraid we might have to take action against you. I shall be monitoring said site, and, if I see your name appear on it again today, I am afraid that a suspension of your duties may be incurred. Please heed this warning" Letters eh? I have only one more thing to say..........
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antsman
I wasn't absolving Strachan of blame for the lack of high tempo play. But now Lennon is going he has no excuse not to reshape the midfield.
I do share your fear over Hartley but hope new midfielders will bought.
At present we are too easy to stop, isolate Naka & Aiden and we're left struggling.
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Pros
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Manzanera
Everly
I've got a cousin Philip,not seen him for years.
Silvers
Sam Phillips
PhilipsSV Eindhoven
PS Many excellent CQNers could learn from the chivalrous jousting of PlatWAT and myself how to cross swords without drawing blood,or is that missing the point?En garde!
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michael
i have cousin called Kevin
Phil the Power
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the right rev,
just what i was thinking :-)
good fun just got a bit tedious.
I hope he comes back though - i like his posts. Alot i agree with incidentally.
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Have any of you actually had a prawn sandwich?
I have only ever had one and it was served still in its Morrison's wrapper by a wee cleaner from Craigend whose house I had gone to to help her out with her accounts.
I'm not sure if the whole stigma of who eats prawn sandwiches is a wrong or whether in actual fact she thought that's the kind of sandwich she should be serving an accountant!
Anyway, it was lovely. And her big alsatian dug was born in 1998 and in honour of the year is called "Champion"!
I gave it the crusts.
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SOAL-Is he perfect?Is he fae Blantyre?
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Phil McCavity....dentist
Phil McCracken....prostitute
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i too have a cousin called kevin
i beat him at subbuteo, but he sometimes just beated me.
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Con - Thompson (aka Concorde)who predicted AC would gub us 3-0 and here he was talking about the mancs all along. Tossa.
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pro
lynott
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oakey's fringe
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spector
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spector
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"tuffers" tuffnell
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mickelson
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eas Fogg (Around Derek Johnstone In Eighty Days)
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Negativeanon gets my vote for whatever prizes are being handed out by CQN this year. His articulate posts stem from exasperation. Exasperation from retorts that can only be considered to be condescending. Debate that is stifled or deliberately simplified as has been well illustrated on this particular thread. The blog is in danger of becoming "Condescending Quick News". Is it beyond our capabilities as Celtic fans to debate in a polite manner with one another or is this just the vagaries of communicating with one another in this manner ? I dont know but I do find it very disappointing. Is this the new generation of Celtic supporter ? Poltics not personalities should be the mantra while posting. It does seem to me that the blog has mirrored the history of Glasgow Celtic and in a very short time.
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Shelbourne1916 @ 1951
You confuse two quite separate issues in your reply to my post.
1 Paul currently has a generally pro-board stance.
2 The main reason for Paul's stance is that he wants to retain access to insider information, and is willing to sacrifice his journalistic integrity (oxymoron or not) to do so.
You and I (and I suspect Paul and everyone else) agree on 1.
2 on the other hand is a controversial and serious defamation of Paul's character. Evidently you believe it, as you've repeated your allegation in last night's post. You're entitled to that opinion - but you're NOT entitled to put it into the public domain unless you can back it up with evidence.
Can you prove that Paul hasn't thought through these issues and found that he generally agrees with the board and its agenda? I don't think you can: and if you can't, you should stop making the allegation. Argue with a pro-board stance all you like; but have the decency not to impute without evidence improper motives to those who disagree with you.
Personally I find a lot of the criticism and carping on CQN about Celtic's current situation to be ludicrously exaggerated, but human nature being what it is, there will always be people who see a nearly-full pint glass as virtually empty.
Consider this, though: it is the most sceptical and negative posters on here who consistently complain about being persecuted and attacked by others, and having their sincerity and Celtic credentials called into question. Why, then, do so many of that group consider it appropriate to do exactly the same to Paul? Of course, the comments reflect mostly on the people making them, not their intended target; but the double standard is no less odious for that.
NeilR
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my house unto the fullest
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Charity collector,
Philip Mc.Cann.
We don't need a new centre half. We have a few of the best in the business
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300th!
Don't you just love WGS's sarcastic comments to the media?
SIR CHASM
This is what WGS will be dubbed when he is knighted for services to Celtic FC after they pick up their 3rd title in a row for the first time since the days of the great Jock Stein... in reference to the veritable chasm that has opened up between Celtic and the rest of Scottish football.
In spite of playing p!ss poor football for most of the season and sporting an impotent strike force, Celtic are once again the CHAMPIONS (with 4 games to spare) and the SPL's top scorers (for the 4th year on the trot). Last season Celtic were CHAMPIONS with 6 games to spare.
Yet still the peasants are revolting. In some cases, very revolting.
But fear not, o ye faithful, for the summer will bring answers to the few outstanding questions, and despite the inevitable improvement across the city (could they get any worse?!) we will see WGS enter the hall of fame as Celtic's best manager since Big Jock.
Just wait and see.
P.S. Well done to Milan for their comprehensive victory last night over the 2nd most arrogant team in football. In 210 minutes they scored one goal against the much maligned defence of a cr*ppy team (copyright: many of their own supporters) from a cr*ppy league (copyright: anyone with football loyalties to the south of Gretna). But in just 180 minutes against Man Utd they notched up a grand total of FIVE. When Celtic sort out their perceived goalscoring problems next season they can realistically anticipate competing at the business end of the CHAMPIONS League.
P.P.S. James Beattie, Joey Barton, Nicolas Anelka. No thanks. We don't need players with attitude problems nor strikers with goalscoring problems. Let the media speculate that anyone who used to be anyone is coming to Celtic, just because they are having problems where they are now. And in the meantime, let WGS and his management team get in some quality players at the right price. Scott McDonald is a reasonable curtain raiser. Scott Brown and Klaas Jan Huntelaar would be acceptable as Acts 2 & 3.
P.P.P.S. Perhaps Gretna will mount a proper challenge to the green & white supremacy...?
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300+ th.
Well, my previous contribution was 300th when I started!
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The glass half full, half empty analogy recurs here quite a lot and coupled with the tension in some of the posts it is maybe a good idea to step back and take a reality check. It reminds me of a story told to me by a wise man....
A professor stood before his philosophy class and had some items in front of him. When the class began, without speaking, he picked up a very large and empty mayonnaise jar and proceeded to fill it with golf balls.
He then asked the students if the jar was full.
They agreed that it was. The professor then picked up a box of pebbles and poured them into the jar. He shook the jar lightly. The pebbles rolled into the open areas between the golf balls He then asked the students again if the jar was full. They agreed it was.
The professor next picked up a box of sand and poured it into the jar. Of course, the sand filled up everything else. He asked once more if the jar was full. The students responded with an infamous "yes."
The professor then produced a pint of beer from under the table and poured the entire contents into the jar, effectively filling the empty space between the sand. The students laughed.
"Now," said the professor, as the laughter subsided, "I want you to recognize that this jar represents your life.
The golf balls are the important things. Your family, your children, your faith, your health, and Celtic. Things that if everything else was lost and only they remained, your life would still be full. You could perhaps even just narrow it down to Celtic.
The pebbles are the other things that matter. Your job, your house, and your car.
The sand is everything else. The small stuff. Like bitching about the Celtic Board, or taking pot shots at other CQNers for fun”
"If you put the sand into the jar first," he continued, "there is no room for the pebbles or the golf balls. The same goes for life. If you spend all your time and energy on the small stuff, you will never have room for the things that are important to you.
Pay attention to the things that are critical to your happiness. Play with your children. Take time to get medical checkups. Take your partner out to dinner. Watch the 6-2 game again. There will always be time to clean the house and fix the whirligig.
Take care of the golf balls first, the things that really matter. Set your priorities. The rest is just sand."
One of the students raised her hand and inquired what the (Carling) beer represented.
The professor smiled. "I'm glad you asked. It just goes to show you that no matter how full your life may seem, there's always room for a pint."
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neil
its funny, if you come out as being pro-board its like you have to make some sort of apology for it.
inverted snobbery like "prawn sandwich brigade" is just as lazy and wrong as some of the behaviour of those who categorise supporters from the other end of the spectrum as "scum" and make them feel unwanted. theres one way of splitting the support and thats to see divisions where there arent any.
some people will always have a problem with authority, it seems like paul, as the "authority figure" here, seems to be getting it now
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like it bk
especially the bit about golf balls. theres nothing better than opening a dozen fresh premium golf balls and rolling them around in your hands
thats what you meant wasnt it?
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Pro-Phil Kaufman,stole Gram Parsons'body from the mortuary and took it into the desert to be cremated.
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...or unfolding a new League Championship flag.
Chris
c/o Restricted View, Block 410, North Stand
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danny what excuse did he have before?
it was his statements, him that picked lennon more or less no matter what
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Blantyre Kev, now I know where my (golf) balls disappeared to on the 3rd, 9th and 13th holes at the last CQN golf day!
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antsman
Why was Lennon picked at the expense of high tempo football ?
I don't know.
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LAS VEGAS!!! this June.
TinyTim and I are getting together for a pint. Maybe we'll get him transferred from the mineshafters to the happyclappers....:)
Any other CQN'rs going?
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new article posted.
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Weeron
Have you ever seen the film 'Gremlins'. There's a bit in it where the guy who takes the cute wee Mogwai home is warned "Whatever you do, do not feed it after midnight".
Well it's similar with tinytim. Have a great time but DO NOT let him drink brandy.
And give Kojo my regards.
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Hello?
It's awfy quiet again the day!
Is a'body away oot in the sun?
