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No clean sheet again
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heeeeeeeee
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And, this season, striking nightmares too!
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imagine no Boruc? Nightmare stuff..
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i have said for a while a continental style centre back is required,my favourite just now is carvahlo (out our league i know)
i think mcmanus is good enough but needs someone beside him
paul67, if you want to look at reasons i would suggest
out of position right back for a while (caldwell)
the signing of steven pressley
naylor not being fit but still playing
lack of pace at the back
it also begs the question, is lennon protecting the defence
also if you play 2 holding midfielders you invite pressure. tactical mistake
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Paul,
I think you are heading in the right direction by looking at the midfield. The balance and the quality of player has not been there this season (centrally anyway).
Looking at the midfield this season you can see it was like losing 2 players when we sold Petrov. He was able to break up attacks and start one of his own all in the one move - something lacking this year.
The defence has been put under undue pressure due to the midfield failings.
Here's hoping we can sign 3 big players:
1. A top defensive midfielder with athleticism to match top European players.
2. A high quality attacking midfielder with drive and creativity.
3. Pacey and clinical forward.
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The problem in my opinion is as follows:
Champions League games the players know if they concede a goal then it will be much harder to get back into the game.
In the SPL, we know that if we play well, we will more often than not, get back into the game. Even if we are 2 nil down, hence the concentration is not as it should be
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Easy one to answer. We no longer defend from the front. This has been a problem since Larsson left and leaves us open to counter-attacks in the SPL.
Our priority should be 2 mobile midfielders, one of whom can lie a bit deeper and defend, but then bring the ball up the park quickly, turning defence into attack.
Another front man who can score but also keep the opposition defence on their toes when they have the ball.
The defence can defend fine when they have cover, as we see in Europe when we play a tight defensive formation. It's in the SPL , when that cover goes, that they have problems. Once we get the middle sorted, I expect the sieve to disappear for a wee while :)
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Lets hope the rumours of an offer to Slyvain Distan are true
hed be a welcome addition at the back, possibly to partner Kennedy as I think he is our best defender by a mile, even if he did give away a pen on sat!
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I didn't see the Dons goal but by all reports Artur saved the day again, outwith his wondeful penalty save. This season would have turned out oh so different i.e. CL without him, but I'm stating the obvious.
The constant changing of personnel and players out of position doesn't make for a settled back four. Where is D o'D??
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Unfortunately Celtic do allow teams to come on them. Where is the ball usually won back? In or around the penalty box! Every team is able to work the ball into a crossing position without having to evade tackles.
The team needs to find a way to win the ball back earlier. More energy in midfield would be a start!
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At 14/05/07 12:51, chennaiseabird said…
Hello Martin
I'd still like to catch up with folk over a curry or something.
*coals tae Newcastle, just as bad as going tae Florida and buying a fish supper :-)))))
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The things that need addressed are the deterioration in quality of the playing staff[except at leftback];the uninspiring tactics;the perverse stubbornness in team selection and the need for a bigger doocot at CP next year when the pigeons come home to roost.
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Antibes beat me to it.
Not only did we lose a fantastic striker when Henrik left, we also lost a fantastic defender.
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I think there are two issues tht result in us losing more goals in the SPL than in Europe.
The first is complacency. Our defenders often seem casual against lesser forwards thinking that either they won't score of if they do we will score two or three anyway. It's different in Europe where they know that one goal could make the difference.
The second issue is concentration. It is very different playing for a team that is attacking most of the time and defending seldom. Unlike in European games when we are often forced back for long periods.
Both of these are mental rather than physical attributes. Experienece cetainly comes into it, but it is a hard experience that can only be obtained by being there. We need the right defensive coach to get our back players into this sort of mind set over time.
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TrueTim, Antibes, agree the midfield cover has not existed this season, but I think the problems run deeper than just that. The defence should be able to cope in the SPL without too much dedicated cover from midfield.
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Our defense has been hampered by a lack of full backs and midfield cover (Midfielders tend to let their marker run without tracking) thus causing the centre halves to be pressured into split decisions. We have good defenders individually but as a unit they can do better. A lack of proper balance has shipped goals.
Cut Doumbe and Pressely loose. I'd keep Balde. He is made for SPL football. Full backs are a must.
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Wee Jimmy Jewell has resigned as Wigan manager.
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kennedy was struggling all game on sat, dominated in the air a poor penalty given away i wasn't impressed with him, tho i realise he is finding his feet. he is never our best defender by a mile
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I think Darren O Dea is being badly missed. I personally think he has shown more potential than Kennedy did before his injury. Notice for example, his ability to take the ball forward under pressure. His composure on the ball bought Naka and Jarosik so much more time on the ball in the San Siro. Yes he screwed up in Kilmarnock but he was out of position. I also think Caldwell is being missed at CB although I wouldn't play Caldwell and O dea there as a rough no nonsense CB is also required (aka McManus or Kennedy)
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Allow to repost from last thread...
Got 10 minutes so some thoughts...
CF - last night was a classic example of when you stop defending from the front you are in trouble. Off went Ronaldinho and Messi (they seemed to be doing ok) and suddenly Barca were under pressure. Looks like it'll go to the wire. I thought it was a tactical error by Frank.
A question because I've not seen enough of the lad - could Brown not be the one to fill Neil Lennon's boots? Worth a £4 million punt?
No.8 - good post. We lack experience at the top level, international, world cup, CL, call it what you will. Someone to steady the ship when we're under the cosh as we were in Lisbon and Copenhagen. I think O'Dea, McManus and Caldwell are all good players and have a future but we need experience to guide them. Pressley was a sensible short term move when Bobo went down, but is not the answer.
Someone LIKE Sol Campbell, I stress like, or indeed Hyppia. I have no probs with thirtysomethings because we have a young team, we need to invest in experience at the moment. Losing Lennon more than anything is a loss of experience.
Of course EPL wages might be a problem.
Look at what Bolton did with Ivan Campo.
Back to work (again)
McGrain listening to Junior Walker (then) and Stanley Clarke and Chick Corea (now)
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Paul,
I agree it was disappointing to see how many chances Aberdeen created against us, and often from an unlikely source--the left back position. The defence was often caught square--Aberdeen pushed the ball behind or around the defence for their forwards to attack. On the other hand, the two central defenders had not played together regularly, so there is need to give that pairing an opportunity to bond. At times, Kennedy was very commanding and used the ball well.
With eight minutes to go, the penny finally dropped for me on NL's contribution to the team. With the defence mis-kicking or playing short passes around the penelaty area, the Captain calmly hit a long pass across field, from left to right (to Doumbe) and the danger was cleared. I have often been irritated by NL's contribution to the team--short side passes; slowing the game down; back passes. But I completely missed the point. That's his job. The real problem is that there has been no creative midfielder or fast ball carrying midfielder in the team. That is not Lennon's fault, nor should he take stick for it. Because of this hole, he has tried to take on a more attacking role, one that does not suit him. His contribution in the last five minutes of the game illustrated his real value to the team. He will be sorely missed, I fear, not just for the role that he played in the team, but for his love of Celtic and determination not to lose.
However, to me, Neil Lennon is a much bigger person than he is a player. His public comments about his fight with depression took courage, and will have given maybe around 10-15% of the population a lot of hope and comfort. If NL can operate successfully in a high stress job (Captain of Celtic)then many others will believe that they can handle their own lives successfully. Neil, you won many trophies but they have not yet made one big enough/grand enough for your public stance on this issue. You are class.
On another note, thoroughly enjoyed the game on Saturday, an attacking Celtic, that re-discovered the value of keeping the ball on the ground, and moving South-North. That one should have been the Cup Final,
Rebus
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Paul
I think you are doing the other teams a slight disservice here. It has been obvious to me that the teams we face in the SPL are no longer as intimidated or as conservative as they once were.
For a number of reasons, we are not physically as imposing or as quick at exploiting errors as we once were. This gives managers of other teams confidence to commit men forward against us. Yes, we have problems of all retention and reaking down the play but other teams deserve credit for exposing our failings.
One thing that does worry me is how often a front man gets away from our centre backs. Within two passes, a Scott McDonald, Darren Mackie, Naismith, Stokes et al are easily finding themselves on the ball in our final third. These teams don't over play in the middle like we do and this means our defenders have to defend more in crucial areas.
Why is it that a MoN team could restrict Rangers to only a few shots off target in 180 minutes but a Strachan team is down 6 points in the same fixtures? That i think is a lot to do with teams simply not being afraid of this current Celtic first eleven.
You said it yourself, we don't beat teams anymore and never stretch a lead so wouldn't you encourage your Motherwell side to have a go? Until we return to controlling the ball and the tempo of the game then not even Nesta and Cannavaro would help keep clean sheets.
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We dont need a Defensive midfield player.
Top european teams use deep lying midfielders. They simply track their runners when off the ball and when on the ball they attack quickly using themselves as a fulcrum of their sides attacking play. They play make and defend from deep. As they can keep the ball which is the first aspect of defending. We have the ball , they cant score. We already have such a player in the making , Evander Sno. Superb potential , already used in the big Euro games in such a role.
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Chennaiseabird :- On the last thread you bring up a very good point, if Mr Burns had A. Goram in his team rather than him being at Ibrox then Rangers wouldn't have got NIAR. I know keepers don't win you games but I often feel they are undervalued when it comes to winning you trophies.
(sorry to hear about your problems on Friday I had been looking forward to meeting you)
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Hi Paul,
Looking through recent posts there seems to be two main themes, so which do you think will cost you the league nexr season, a poor defence leaking goals? or a poor attack unable to score? ;-)
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I wouldnt get rid of Doumbe - he's been one of our only performers in the two games that he has featured. He didn't do much wrong on Saturday, he got forward, got back, put in some good tackles, and some good headed clearances and is also compposed on the ball. The problem on Saturday was definitely the centre halfs - they seemed far too casual at times. McManus seemed to panic when on the ball and he had a couple of clearances which he hoofed up in the air, putting us under more pressure. Kennedy looked good, but off the pace at times.
I think that was also Hartley's best game since he signed - in recent games I'd barely noticed him playing, but he was certainly getting forward a lot more (though he needs to learn to heider the ba'!)
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Still think we need an Ayala, Cannavaro, Thuram or Maldini type player (somewith with proper top level experience, obviously it would be near impossible to get one of those named above, although it would be nice!) who can organise the defense, lead by example and tutor our young defenders into being future world class players.
However, the problems still lie in the midfield. There's been no balance for longer than I care to remember in the middle of the park and it needs to be fixed. Evander Sno has been missed and when you miss a 19 year old that is still only a raw talent then it's plainly obvious something drastically needs to be done...
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Paul67 I have been voicing my concerns about the defence for some time. I remember BQ raising the league flag a few seasons back commending the defence for only letting in 19 goals all season. Imagine if we did not have the keeper we have now.
Scottish Cup final:
Well I have just had it confirmed be the Celtic ticket office that I am not getting a cup final ticket despite being on the direct debit for all cup games and have been to then all apart form the semi-final which I couldn't make due to domestic reasons.
What to do, well as I can't get a ticket even having been one of the few who went to the Falkirk league cup game and the Dumbarton game I have decided that I will not be going back on the DD for cup games as I am sure there will be people at the final who haven't been to a fraction of the games I been to this season.
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Agree Paul. Enjoyed game as a spectacle and for the better football we played.......but if not for Artur we could've lost 5 goals, and we were regularly carved.
In my opinion the best defender we have at the club is Big Bobo. He's also the most costly in terms of wages but unless we're 100% sure that we can get a better right sided central defender to play alongside McManus next season (because there are none currently at the club better than Bobo) then I very much hope we keep him, wages and all.
Greetings McGrain. Don't think we'll see Scott Brown. He prefers the trophy-less ones, and is no way worth that sort of dosh (although Hibs may well get that from England).
Plus, any club buying him would have to make sure they have a strong defensive midfielder to partner him - he doesnae fancy that side of things much...so very different from Neilly Bhoy except combative natures.
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Greetings McGrain & Tully (wonder who would have come out on top there.......?)
EDB -
There have been no Teser vouchers produced this calendar year but we live in hope of some midsummer madness.
Chennai -
sorry to hear of your travail
Edward -
sorry to hear of your ongoing travail
Martin -
glad you're over your travail
WG
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Edward, the answer should concern you. When we are leaking goals, and not scoring goals, but still have a 12 point lead. You should be worried :-)
Great No. 8, I know teams are no longer afraid when playing Celtic, but having given this some thought, I am left with a ‘what came first, chicken or egg’ question.
Tully57, as with many players not in the team, absence induces anticipation. I believe Bobo’s best days are behind him and would sell him before the decline becomes more manifest. As you suggest, this still leaves a problem, but it is a problem we need to overcome.
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Malone 86 and David - my point exactly - experience
Tully - regards to all the Tullies - you're perspective on Broon will do for me and of course Bobo has the experience we're craving, but it sems not the confidence of the support.
hey WG - how big are Arthur Lee's feet?
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I think our best central defensive partnership is McManus and Caldwell, they were beginning to knit together very nicely before Caldwell's injury. The glimpses we've had of both O'Dea and JFK are highly promising but at present I think McManus is our best defender. I think we talk McManus down to easily, he is easily a match for his contemporaries such as Dawson and Vidic.
I worry about our approach to full backs, Oddo and Jankulovski provided a master class in the art against us - both are tall and powerful yet we seem to adapt the 'wee guys play wide' approach.
The Italian solution is the way forward - throw a blanket over the back 4!!! Watching either Milan this season or Italy in the world cup is a lesson in team shape. Two attacking full backs (Grosso and Zambrotta) never ever left isolated by the two wide players (Gattuso and Camoranesi) tucking in. The entire team revolving around the deep lying playmaker (Pirlo) with the link ahead (Kaka / Totti).
Would love to see Celtic line up in that style.
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This happened nineteen years ago today
Scottish Cup Final
Frank McAvennie 2 Dundee United 1
Att - 74,000
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EdwardU,
Just you watch it or I will come round and burst your ball.
We will not be the team with the octagenarian defenders.
Bhoys,
I am amazed at how Celtic supporters often want to talk up the feats of our opposition.
As an example a few, like Paul67 and Tully57, take great care in mentioning Aberdeen's chances but completely forget to mention our chances.
We had as many shots, both on and off target, and shots blocked, much much more possession than our opponents.
Aberdeen's need on Saturday was immeasurably greater than our need. They came desperate for a victory to secure European football next season.
They may yet secure that objective, but they did not acheive it at the expense of Celtic.
For many months now we, as a support, have been berating the team for their poor performances, yet on Saturday we had, by general consent, a much improved performance, but yet we are still not happy, we still MOAN.
God give me patience, not for the team but for the SUPPORT.
STAND UP FOR THE CHAMPIONS.
Martin.
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Paul,
The problems in central defence have been down to the different central defensive partnerships that we have had. Almost every week it seemed to change.
All top teams have a settled defensive parthership. We never had that at all this season.
Pressley done his job, which was to help Celtic over the league finishing line. Job done. Young O'Dea looks promising for the future, and the jury is still out on Kennedy.
The best partnership we had was Caldwell and McManus. Whether they start next season together or not is a different matter.
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Spot on Paul. I think Kennedy could still be a very good player for us but I think his performance on Saturday indicated that he has a long way to go. I also think that Saturday also proved that McManus needs a calming influence next to him.
Doumbe seemed to impress again but there is something niggly that he seems to be posted missing when the opposition have their chances. Definetly, need back up/competition for Naylor.
The point about Larsson defending from the front is also true. Despite their pace Miller and Beattie especially do not put nearly enough effort closing players down, although they may have more obvious failings.
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Spot on Paul. I think Kennedy could still be a very good player for us but I think his performance on Saturday indicated that he has a long way to go. I also think that Saturday also proved that McManus needs a calming influence next to him.
Doumbe seemed to impress again but there is something niggly that he seems to be posted missing when the opposition have their chances. Definetly, need back up/competition for Naylor.
The point about Larsson defending from the front is also true. Despite their pace Miller and Beattie especially do not put nearly enough effort closing players down, although they may have more obvious failings.
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Central defence is no different than any other part of the team where players are paired-it is all about finding a complementary pairing.If it was simply a case of intimidating the opposition and clearing the ball[-/+the player]then Dianbobo is probably still the best player at the club.To complement him you need to find a more 'cultured' partner.
Looking at our current choices then the'enforcers'would be BB and Mick;the'persuaders'would be JK,SC and Darren.
A football team playing 4-4-2 is essentially 5 pairs;one on each flank,one in central defence,one in central midfield and one upfront.
Fire and Ice,that would be the ticket.
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Still think O Dea should be playing
Anyway as a matter of interest, as we have been linked with Appiah (I know we probably wont get him but its a rhetorical question), does anybody think that if we do sign him, one of the old firm games would be the beginning of Febuary? Not that I am paranoid or anything.
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Not a rhetorical question I mean a hypothetical question (getting my coat for that error worthy of a hun)
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McGrain -
I was more taken by the shape of them, they are almost Larssonesque. I know we will be taken to task for introducing an element of foot fetishism to this sainted site.Could it be the mixed race background common to HL, AL and indeed the band, Love, itself?
I Do Wonder......
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Martin -
I want to talk up the feets of Henrik Larsson and Arthur Lee
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TontineTim
Glasgow chicken and lamb curries are still the best I've had anywhere. That might be because that's what I'm used to, but I've even had complimentary comments on their authenticity and quality from my Chennai colleagues (ok, I was paying so they would say that, but still.....).
Chennai wins out on prawn, fish and vegetarian.
Of course, I've not had a curry with Curly in Turra yet.
Edward, the disappointment is mutual, I assure you. I agree with you about AG. I got into trouble on here not so long ago for suggesting that, for a short time, he was the best keeper in the world. Round about the time you played Leeds in the CL.
Seeing gg'S clip of Kai Johansen's goal the other day was interesting. I didn't automatically reach for a bottle (to open, not throw) so I think I may finally have got over that particular trauma.
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W G,
I am not too sure about the feets of Henrik, but I am sure there must be many feets about Arthur you could tell us about,
be my guest.
Martin
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Mcgrain
size 10
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I am now invoking St Crispin,the patron saint of Cobblers..
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Paul, so glad you raised these points. Any neutral looking at the highlights from Saturday would have thought the team in red were robbed.
We may have won but the decline continues.
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...but not holding my manhood cheap whilst doing so
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And before anybody goes off on one. By decline I am talking about Celtics overall game.
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chennaiseabird -
Glad to hear you made it home safely.
Discussing over e-mails with my mate re heading down the road about noon time for the UEFA Cup Final. Should see us in Glasgow around 4pm. Planning to park somewhere east and north of Hampden so we are on the right side for heading back to the land of the sheepies after the game.
Give me a shout if you fancy meeting up for a pint or 2.
Will have to ask the owner of the Moonlight Tandoori how they got along with the award - to those not in the know - this is my local curry house, and they were nominated by Alex Salmond (a regular in there) for an award as the best South Indian restaurent in Britain!
Curly the Curry Monster
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bhoy-malloy,
What do you mean be ROBBED.
To me, Aberdeen got exactly what they deserved.
Nobody chopped off two good goals, nobody denied them three atonewall penalties, nobody gave Celtic two undeserved goals or two off side goals or even one penalty.
So please tell where the ROBBED bit comes in.
And while you are at it, please tell everybody just when this decline yoy mention actually started.
Cheers,
Martin.
Martin
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Paul :- Touche :-)
Martin :- I haven't heard that threat in years lol, I'm surprised to see you being ageist about our defence as our "expeienced" defence seemed to cope quite well recently against your strikers.
Chennaiseabird :- I was glad to hear of your equanimity over the 66 final as that means that in three year I may be able to think on the 69 one without weeping :-)
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Thats an easy one. Decline started after the Benfica home game.
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bhoy-malloy,
I feel the Benfica home game was a one off performance.
We had not played as well before that night and we certainly have not played as well since that night.
I feel it is too easy to say the decline started then.
And what about the other point of Aberdeen being robbed.
Cheers,
Martin.
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We would all have to have very very green tinted glasses to deny aberdeen deserved a draw.
Boruc played exeptionally well while Doumbe looked a player.
That apart from JVOH we looked on par with aberdeen.
Big money and i mean very big money needs spent.
And let's drop talk of two things 1. Caldwell as a replacement for lenny, as he aint got the class and
2. Mick for Captain as he won't be a first choice next year.
We have won a bad league but bhoy molloy is right this teams standards have fallen.
Big money needs spent but thankfuuly it looks like it will and the rest of the SPhell apart from the huns will get weaker so we will win it again next year.
Why was the stadium three quarters full. My view is most guys are fed up with the rubbish they have to watch every week. Saturday was better and hopefully a springboard to beating dunfermiline.
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Martin,
Looking at highlights as a neutral it shows Aberdeen missing and peno, hitting the woodwork and missing an open goal. If it was Celtic I would use the term "we wuz robbed".
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EdwardU,
I suppose you have nothing to look forward to, that will be why you keep harking back to games gone by.
Just you wait to see us go next year.
If we take bhoy-malloy as our yardstick Celtic have been in decline since October and even then you cannot get close to us.
Cheers,
Martin.
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spirit of arthur lee - act your age, etc
curry in glasgow - spent an exceptional couple of hours in the unfortunately nomenclatured Bombay Blue opp. Central Station over Easter. They do buffet but we McGrain's larged it 'a la carte' - bold statement - I've travelled throughout india and lived in leicester nigh on 20 years but I'd be pushed to beat the Lamb Bombay Blue that night
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The decline started with the departure of the sulking Bulgar,and was compounded by the loss of Shaun the Sheep.
In addition we had our main[only?]goal threats injured,either physically[JVH]or mentally[MZ]for much of the season.
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bhoy-malloy,
Fair point looking it as a neutral.
But we are not neutrals are we?
I always lean to the belief that the team who puts the ball in the net, scores a goal and if you score more goals than your opponent, then you deserve to win.
When we knocked Barcelona out of Europe a few years back, they made the chances, they missed the sitters and we scored the goal.
Were Barcelona robbed?
Did we not deserve our victory?
All things being equal, and by that I mean the game being played in fairness by both players and refferee, the team which scores the most goals must deserve the victory.
Cheers,
Martin.
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Martin,
I would not bragg to much. Since Swally and Swally have taken over they have taken 7 from 9 points from us, and remember this has to be the worse Rankers team in living memory.
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martin,
The AC Milan home game was a classic case of a team being robbed even though it finished a draw. Milan do everything but score. Again if it was Celtic in the San Siro with that many clear cut chances, I would say we wuz robbed.
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bhoy-malloy,
When it comes to Edward, I have no other option than to brag, you surely do not think I would let Edward get one over me.
However, no matter what, it was only 5 out of 6 points since the big two returned, and they still cannot get close to us.
Cheers,
Martin.
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Martin,
Edward has no bragging rights. They came second again and are still skint :)
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bhoy-malloy,
I knew that if we kept up this correspondance, we would eventually find common ground and we have on two points.
Yes they finished second and are skint, and I believe we WERE ROBBED in Milan.
We were denied a clear penalty from a hand ball by Paulo Maldini.
We were, in my opinion, cheated that night thus we were robbed, just as we were in Turin several years before.
Cheers,
Martin
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I read some of the comments posted after the game on Saturday and I honestly cannot believe some of the sanctimonious nonsense that was posted regarding our departing captain's speech.
I trust that some of you have no idea at all of what he has gone through to play for us over the past seven seasons.
And as for the poster who said that he considered himself fortunate to have left the ground before the speech and then made some comparison with Bob Malcolm ..... Truly, words fail me. Perhaps it might be better for everybody if you didn't go back and your place might be taken by somebody who would appreciate the great service that that player gave us.
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Worst Rang### teams in living memory are like Corporation buses-you wait all your life for one then 3 come along at once..
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lubomir,
spot on. Lenny is a legend and likes the craic. The ones complaining have no life and are a bunch of do gooder PC knobs.
I'll bet a right few Aberdeen fans even saw the funny side.
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Gweedorebhoy,
Well that is the exsuse in for next year already.
Before this season is over you are telling us that we will win the league next year because the SPLhell are even weaker than this year.
God help us all, we should all just give up and go live our miserable existances in perpetual doom and gloom.
Cheers,
Martin.
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dontbratt
Sadly, I think you're right. We've missed something since those two left. They could spark things.
I suppose we shouldn't be surprised that we've missed them, given how good most of us thought they were while they were here.
Curly
I've got an appointment with the Passport office at 4 on Wednesday. I'll give you a call after that. Or my lawyer, if I'm only allowed one.
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celticbhoy,
Re.your earlier complaints about not getting a ticket for the Cup Final. We have 53,000 season ticket holders. Our allocation for the Cup Final is 26,000. From that we have to satisfy all club sponsors who provide substantial revenue to the club and are contractually entitled to tickets, as well as employees, etc.
You will certainly not be alone in thinking that you should get a ticket but sadly there just are not enough to go around.
Our system for allocating limited tickets is fairer than it has ever been. Believe me, you should have been around in the bad old days...
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lubomir Lenny said what we were all thinking. Well those of us still in the stadium.
Great piece of banter.Anyone who was offended must lead a very sheltered life.
what next? Not allowed to say hun i bet it's coming.
Martin
Not a miserable existence for me i just saw my twins to be on the ultrasound so im very happy.
Just a realist re this celtic team and the standard of our league.
We are a pretty poor team but I have faith we will get better we have the money we just need to spend it wisely.
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dontbrattback -
Worst Rangers team in living memory?
I'd go for the Glasgow one...
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Lubomir,
I was the person who was made that post.
I know all about what our departing captain has had to endure while playing for us.
I applaud his absolute resiliance in doing the job for so long.
However I along with 100 other guests attended the Manager's Lunch two days before the Aberdeen game and as we all know due to illness the manager could not attend.
Neil Lennon stood in for him and after the meal, during the Q&A session, our captain actually used the "F" word during an answer.
Well I am sorry if my sensibilities offend any of you, but that language is certainly not what I want from a captain of my club.
Consider for a moment the great captains of the past, Billy McNeil, Danny McGrain, Roy Aitken, Paul McStay, Tom Boyd and Paul Lambert, could you ever imagine any of them using such language in public.
If Neil wishes to have a go at opposition fans for their treatment of him during his time in Scotland then there are ample channels for him to use and to let all and sundry know his true feelings.
Do you think for one minute that his comment on Saturday actually conveyed what his true thoughts on Aberdeen supporters were?
I do not think so, they were the comments of the gutter, not a Celtic captain.
Cheers,
Martin.
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Gweedorebhoy,
Ultrasound is a wonderful thing, congratulations, be sure to let us know when the twins are born.
I too am a realist, but with a different outlook.
IA think we will win the league because we are better than everyone else, not because the rest are worse than we are.
Cheers,
Martin.
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Martin,
Apologies - I did not realise that it was you who had made that comment or I would have given you credit in my post.
While you appear to be in an expansive mood please enlighten me on your Bob Malcolm comparison.
Thank you.
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Lets look at the bigger picture...
We won the league in a canter.
Last 16 of CL
Now.......if we had a half prolific striker, most of our draws and 1 goal wins would have been 2 or more goal wins.
Its always easy to blame the defence when things aren't going right, but, if we had lets say roy makaay, how many drawn games would we have won, and how many 1-0 wins would have been by a bigger margin?
This being the case, confidence grows and the knock on effect is the whole team start playing better.
Solution to all our problems.....get a Prolific Striker
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i am really wondering if we do need to spend big to holf off rangers, players like broadfoot and gow please me as they are not good enough.
Tho i do wonder is he getting alot of cheap squad players so he can spend big on a few? very similar strategy to ours
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31003 -
I still have the feeling that Mr Riordan could be that prolific striker - intelligent player, skilful, and with a nose for goal. Now that he has (we're told) changed his mind on wanting to play in that role, I would like to see him given a run there.
I feel he would be a good foil for the larger, more powerful JVoH...
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Lubomir,
The Bob Malcolm comment was in relation to the comments made by him regarding the Pope.
I find it difficult to be critical of Bob Malcolm for using such gutter language in public then say that what our captain said in public is OK because he has had a hard time of it from opposition supporters.
I was extremely disappointed by Neil's language for the second time in three days.
It was not called for.
A year from now that retiral speech will be remembered for all the wrong reasons.
Cheers,
Martin.
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antsman -
I would put down a fair bit of money in support of your theory.
I'd be shocked if we don't see a couple of decent-sized purchases from the Govanites - thus placing themselves solidly in debt...
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Martin,
Thank you very much for your clarification.
You are comparing our captain's comments on Saturday with Bob Malcolm's well-documented abuse of the Pope.
No further comment from me.
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the silly season starts today
Paul Jewell resigns
Stuart Pearce sacked
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31003,
Agree with you that is what I have been trying to say all afternoon.
Lubomir,
Lest you think I am totally critical of Neil, after the lunch finished he stayed in the lounge meeting supporters, posing for photos and signing autographs.
I did not let his slip of the tongue stop me shaking his hand or getting him to autograph the two shirts I had with me, that of course is not counting the one I was wearing.
I actually like Neil Lennon as a person and a player.
Cheers,
Martin.
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Lubomir,
Our captains comments and thoughts on Aberdeen supporters are now well documented.
Do you really think that if Neil were to be here next season that that comment would not have been thrown back in his face time and time again.
Neither Neil Lennon nor Bob Malcolm can take back what was said.
Cheers,
Martin.
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Martin -
have you overdosed on the Lucozade ?
The feet-related Arthur Lee to whom I referred earlier is the legendary and sadly departed Arthur Lee of Love fame not the fraudster ML2-based Arthur Lee whose language would put Neil Lennon to shame.....
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lubomir At 15:58,
Thank you for your reply.
When you say `Believe me, you should have been around in the bad old days...' well as you don't have any knowledge of me you will be unaware that I was at the last Scottish Cup final in 1965 with Dumferlime - so how how far back do you want me to go?
I am well aware of the amount of season ticket holders we have I have been one for long long time. I am also about our allocation.
I am aware that `we have to satisfy all club sponsors who provide substantial revenue to the club and are contractually entitled to tickets, as well as employees, etc.' Well as someone who also puts in `substantial revenue' (two season tickets for the last 14 years, Celtic pools, etc),while not in the league of the club sponsors but I spend as much of my disposable income as I can on Celtic.
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Always a chance that El Gordo's name will be linked with the Man City job.
Splendid stadium,very loyal support,'sleeping giant'etc,etc
Celticbhoy-got my CF tickets last week,courtesy of the Bhoy's driving instructor,who is a'debenture'holder.
Obviously pleased to get them,but sympathise with those unlucky in the draw[as we have been lots of times over the years].
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Thanks for the reply dontbrattbackinanger enjoy the game but you kind of make my case all the stronger.
i have not managed to get a cup final ticket since `95 for the scottish Cup so I have been disapointed lots of times. i would have liked to have taken my son to this one as my father took me to the last one 42 years ago, changed days indeed in those days fans could get to the big games.
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WG -
We ARE ArthurLee...
[ face-of-shame-smiley ]
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This happened 24 years ago today
Scottish Premier League
Darnel 2 Celtic 4
0-1 Cooper (16)
0-2 Clark (23)
0-2 HT
1-2 Nicholas (48p)
2-2 McAdam (61)
3-2 McGarvey (73)
4-2 Nicholas (86p)
Att - 39,000
Our Bhoys -
Bonner, McGrain, Sinclair;
Aitken, Mcadam, MacLeod;
Provan, McStay, Nicholas, Burns, McGarvey.
Just for hun here is the darnelist force that (ugly)faced us that afternoon when we just lost out on the title. The most hideous Megiddo bunch since the Battle of Barcelona. Think about each one of them in turn :-
McCloy
Dawson
McClelland
McPherson
Paterson
Bett
Cooper
McKinnon (Russell)
Clark
Redford
McDonald (Dalziel)
Je reste ma valise.
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W G,
For the first time in mot=re than a score of years, I actually drunk a bottle of Lucozade yesterday ans another today.
Does it show THAT much?
Cheers,
Martin.
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W G,
Despite the typing, it WAS lucozade.
Martin.
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Celticbhoy-We've been on the cup ticket list for ages,with little to show for it.This season we were at Dumbarton,and the St Johnstone games.
WiseGhuy-we were getting beat 2-0 at halftime,it was Charlie's last appearance before he went to join some wee team in London.
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dontbratt -
I was there, I remember a big fat darnelist wearing a big red fat jumper wi a white lion on cheering when Chas took the second penalty as Dundee Utd had secured the two points they required for the championship.
Nick went on to secure Arsenal's first trophy in 8 years.
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martin,
I don't think we can compare what Lenny said to the dons fans and what Bob said about the pope, Bob never took anywhere near the abuse that Lenny has to endure week in week out, on
