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paul. thought I'd try for first
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interesting times ahead indeed!
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At least Celtic is a club that players want to be at but there are always players who are discontented. :-(
More contract wrangling to look forward to.
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Paul.
I think that ruling should have come in last year.We may have got shot of a few of our under- achie'vers this year,We may have got some money back on them.
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Paul surely big Bobo could leave under this ruling??
Or am I wishing for too much!
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paul
In your opinion will this alter the length of contract offered to new players?
Does it also have implications for transfer fees?
If the compensation is due from the player will the clubs offer smaller wages to pay off the comp?
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surely the way round this as some clubs have done is a three year contract with a year option over the past year or so i think our own club has also done this
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also this re compensation that must be paid for a breach of contract. beware, it involves the amortisation word.
What does Article 17 say?
Article 17 deals with the compensation that must be paid for a breach of contract, principally but not solely the value remaining on the contract, plus a pro rata sum towards the player's original cost, if applicable. For example, player X, age 25, joins club Y for £6m on a four-year deal in summer 2004, on wages of £50,000 a week. In summer 2007 he can breach his contract by paying his club compensation of £2.6m for the value of his remaining wages, plus £1.5m for the amortised value remaining on his original transfer fee, or a total of £4.1m. Lampard signed a five-year deal in 2004, so can breach this summer for two years' wages, or about £8m. (His original £11m price tag in 2001 has already amortised to zero).
Gerrard signed a four-year deal in 2005, so could breach in summer 2008 for one year's wages, or about £5m. As a Liverpool youth product, there is no transfer cost to factor in. He is also beyond the cut-off age (23) where Liverpool could claim development costs.
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given the season ends in the 3rd week in May, it would seem that as long as we activate contracts no earlier than the second week of june we should be ok , most of the time......
...there is still a danger if our policy was to offer long term..i.e. 4 yrs and over ...but as we don't offer that we seem to be well prepared and well placed to benefit from this....
...the biggest opportunity might be in Spain....long term contracts and huge buy out clauses are the norm here......there is a further anomaly in that the Spanish League finishes later than others. So the 15 day rule will take effect when the window is already in full swing....
maybe there is some merit to the Fernado Torres story....said more in hope than expectation...
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off topic but here's a quote from dave bassett who managed the rocket when he was at nottingham forrest
"He discovered fast food and started to pile on weight. His training became much too inconsistent and after that he just didn't do it for me.
"I shouldn't have signed him because he eventually lost the plot but I believe he's much more mature now. My one concern is his eating habits now he's back in Britain.
"I advise Rangers to blindfold him at Glasgow Airport in case he spots a McDonald's or a Burger King.
"Your fish suppers might also be a problem."
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watchow.
Maybe we'll have to start calling ibrox McMordor..
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watchow
I certainly remember his 1 good season, all those years ago at Forest, lightning short distance speed. But yeah, that was 8yrs ago.
I read yesterday on the BBC that just before he went to Nottingham he lost his wife and kids in a car crash. Tragic. I would say to carry on and have any kind of football career the man deserves respect, maybe the fast food addiction can be put down to comfort eating.
Hope he gets a taste for kebabs and deep fried mars bars by the dozen while in Glasgow:)
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Interesting article, Paul.
One day in the future there will be no transfer fees. If an employee of a football club wishes to resign he will simply put in his contractual notice, like anyone else would do. No compensation or fee is payable if most people decide to leave their job to take up another.
Quite how this will affect football I don't know. Will players move more frequently? Will rules stopping clubs playing for more than two clubs in a season be seen as restrainet of trade? Would a club sign a player with a history of moving every six months?
Players already have great power in the market. If a player is unhappy and wants to leave a club it usually happens. Who wants an unhappy player in the dressing roonm? Which club (probably Chelsea apart) can afford to have a major player run out his contract in the reserves?
Lots of questions but few answers at the moment.
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i suspect the guy from bordeaux might do Rangers a turn....he isn't top class but he is decent...
...french papers are reporting Rangers offered 60% more than Bordeaux and a 2 year deal against 1 from Bordeaux....
...he wasn't seen as a first team player any longer at bordeaux, but was seen as a useful squad backup...
....his prefernce was to stay in Bordeaux amd would have accepted less money as long as the contract was for 2 years....
....i don't think we are looking at someone who will be as good as prso was , but probably a little better than novo...
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...anybody got the lowdown on the dismissal of one of our Physio's?
If rumour ares to be believed it's more of a hangin offence than a sacking offence.
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taken from football rumours
paul67 do the gers have this sort of cash?
Rangers Rumours
INS-
1st Team
David Healy - Leeds (2.5 million)
Anton Ferdinand - West Ham (4 million)
Gennaro Gattuso - AC Milan (14 million)
Quaresma - Porto (15 million)
Youth Team
Ross Graham - Kilmarnock (125k)
Money coming in from northern irish/ English contingent.
OUTS-
Gavin Rae - Reading (1 million)
Dado Prso - RETIRED
Sasa Papac - Hearts (1 million)
Filip Sebo - Manchester United (14 million)
(Manchester United see him as a possible replacement for Rooney as he is going to Barcelona in the summer)
These are all true.
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Paul
Without a transfer system, what future will there be for football clubs around the world ?
What will happen to teams like Motherwell etc. who rely on the possibility of big sales.
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Email sent on to me this morning.
Some wild speculation for your perusal...
"Some more info I have recieved from a source deep within Celtic Park, last month I told you the 2 WOW signings were going to be Riquelme and Roy Makaay, I can now say Makaay is 80% done deal, his package is sorted it isup to him now if he wants to play in the SPL. Riquelme is not as clear as itwas, seems to be a stumbling point over whom actually owns him? that's what I was told.
My mole keeps telling me one Stan Petrov is desperate to come back after a disapointing debut season with Aston Celtic, WGS is not sure if he wants him back £3 mil the figure quoted. Sidwell was a target but he now has a lot of offers on the table and again the SPL may prove a stumbling block. Stephen Appaih is 100% done deal £2.5 mil, will take over from Lenny in the middle.
Look for many names over the coming weeks with Kadlec, Shittu, Robbie Keane featuring as these were 3 names passed on to me.
Now for the information that really blew me away and believe it if you like,I still don't but my mole tells me we are in with a number of clubs for thesignature of one MAnuel Fernando Torres, yes the LA Ligas top scorer overthe past 2 yrs, a figure of 18 mil was quoted and it don't put us off, thereason being Dermot Desmond is so impressed by the savings made he will funda super signing himself, contact has been made with Athletico with Nakamuraa make wieght as he has been a long term target for the Spanish.
Unbelievable I know but I will be back with more in around 4 weeks!
CELTIC SUMMER TRANSFERS Boruc will go for £7mil;
Gordon to come in for £4.5mil
Balde to leave for free back to France
Celtic to let Doumbe go and sign Wittaker for £1mil
Lennon's replacement will be Scott Brown not Joey Barton as he is an Everton fan and Moyes is keen. This will be £5mil.
Gravesen to Sunderland for £2.5mil. Appiah comes in for £3mil (done deal) We will sign Bellamy for £4.5mil as Aston Villa are now favourites to get unsettled Defoe who he prefers to Bellamy. This will be the perfect foil forBig Jan and will inject some much needed movement upfront.
Miller to go to Sheffield United for £1mil.
Celtic's full style to change we will be a faster, more mobile and skillfull team to hold off the great challege from Walter Smiths men who are set to sign a few decent players themselves. mibbe."
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Gordon
I can see that situation arising as well. But the interesting question is whether footballers will be subject to the same rules if they are underperforming as the rest of us workers. Verbal warning, written warning, you're out?
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The silly season really has started in earnest!
Even if we could afford the fee + wages for Torres, Defoe et al, why would these players come to Scotland when the top EPL clubs are after them?
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Forget Celtic Kits, I see White Coats, they're everywhere!!!
I love the silly season!!!
JC
Notsubjecttotransfergossip-unfortunately.
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fernado torres would be the number 1 signing target for barca and real if he was available....
...to put that in context...that would be equivalent to us signing christiano ronaldo or thierry henry or wayne rooney....
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GIANTS STADIUM:
Benfica v AEK Athens on May 27th
Ireland v Ecuador on May 23rd
Tickets on sale now.
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barcabhoy - my mate down the pub said that 'Arry R has told him that we are signing christiano ronaldo, thierry henry and wayne rooney....Torres is back up in case one of the 3 pull out.
Honest.
JC
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Don't you just love this time of year?
At least I'm smiling now.
D'Archeville written up in the ET as the latest saviour who will turn Buckfast into Beaujolais and dross into rough diamonds.
Meanwhile Celtic are spending tens of millions on players to ensure we contest next year's CL final. Pinch me I'm not really awake.
'GG they're coming to take me away.
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martinbhoy @ 13:58
Interesting point! If footballers were subject to all normal employment rules then there would be a few fired for underperformance!
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Jim the Tim
The chances of Riqueleme, Torres and Robbie Keane playing in the SPL are zilch. Believe u on appiah though
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J-wind-bag,
I have cast iron info that KAKA is an absolute cert....to come out of your mouth in a months time :-)
Corrib 04
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There's been one hell of a rumour sweeping round my house like you wouldn't believe. And I'm the only one home.
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aye well, just keepin ye entertained on a monotonous thursday....
all very tongue in cheek. In fact 95% reeks o merde!
Plus its good to shoot the breeze about nonsense stuff, think we need a bit of light hearted converssation now and again.
Do ye's no think?
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seamus.
think you may be right! There is a right smelly wind hurtling through cyberspace in your direction comin fae ma keyboard!!
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I am assuming that Rangers will offer to pay Websters fine, and that Webster will get no signing on fee (should they try sign him in the summer). Does this mean that they will have to pay Wigan whatever they fancy aswell as the fine?
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Oldtim67, I hope we are still able to shift a few on anyway.
John (jonnybhoy), I had a think about Bobo, but decided he was not in the first team squad.
Lostrambling, I think we will see shorter contracts emerge from this, where clubs will anticipate renewing annually. Wages should go up and transfer fees down.
Chers Gordon J.
Spirit of Arthur, every one correct :-)
Ternar, running a football club in the hope that you get lucky in the lottery of selling on a player is one reason so many clubs got into trouble in the first place. Motherwell et al will have to start doing what you and I do, live within their means.
Best wishes to Gordon Strachan, who is in hospital waiting a hip operation at the moment.
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TB in charge for saturdays game v aberdeen.
taking rev jnr to his 2nd game (4 yo)
hopefully tommy gives us an attacking
step back in time.
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Nice One J-tim-bag!
Thanks for the warning... vacating the building now! :))
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right rev/anyone
Does Tommy get carte blanche over team selection or is it decided by Gordon?
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Motherwell have appealed against the red card shown to Scott McDonald during Monday's defeat by Dunfermline.
It means that the striker could be available to face St Mirren if the Scottish FA's review panel cannot meet to consider the appeal before Saturday.
The 4-1 defeat pulled Well into the relegation battle with the victorious Pars and Saturday's opponents.
McDonald would have been suspended for both Motherwell's remaining games had the club not launched an appeal.
Maurice Malpas's side need a point at least to ensure Scottish Premier League football next season.
McDonald was sent off for a sliding challenge on Dunfermline's Scott Muirhead late in the game at East End Park.
The SFA's review panel is almost certain to consider McDonald's case before Motherwell's final match of the season, away to Dundee United a week on Saturday.
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In the spirit of fun, I have a question for MadMitch, would it be OK Mr Mitch if in future we just called you Mad?
Not that I think you are mad or anything like that, I just think that having a regular on here who is known as Mad would do wonders for CQNs street cred. Would be hard to label us a pro board Celtic site with regular contributions from a guy called Mad. No offence intended BTW.
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itz,
beware of mad mitch's mental malkys...
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Hmmm, not sure this team could handle a champions league quaifier:
Brown
Virgo, Pressley, Caldwell, Naylor
Wilson, Sno, Hartley, Riordan
Miller, McDonald
#8
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jtb
we'll see if he has carte blanche about 2.45pm on saturday.
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right rev.
though that might be the answer.
a hope for your boys sake it is as u say. Attack, Attack, Attack!
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there are only a 6 certain starters on saturday.
boruc (the best)
naylor (a left back u say, itll never catch on)
mcmanus (next captain)
lennon (last home game)
nakamura (going for the everpresent)
jvoh (if fit ;-))
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right rev
who decides if they are fit?
the physio
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What's the odds on SMcD losing his appeal? ANd then the four game ban will cover the last game of this season and the first three , rather than two, games of next season?
Or am I just paranoid?
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Best wishes to Mr Strachan for his operation to make him more hip.
Will he be able to watch the game from his bedside?
Who will pick Saturday's team?
Who will decide on substitutes?
Who will dictate tactics?
Who will be throwing tea cups at the half?
Who will put the evil media down in the post match interviews?
TB? GP?
'GG wishing the boss the best.
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Didn't Strachan cite his hip replacement op. as a reason for leaving Southampton ? ;-}
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danny
have you ever been on the nhs waiting list
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Paul (or any1 else that knows)
After the Webstar ruling will Wigan be able to charge whatever they want for Webstar, despite the 625000 valuation?
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soal
He studied the NHS league tables and decided to move to Glasgow ?
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soal
maybe the physio will hand an appraisal of fitness to someone on a golf course for them to pass to their superiors and they decide ;-)
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wee gordon will be looking for a physio after his hip hop op
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the problem with this ruling will be
the club it seems pays nothing to the other club for the player, the player compensates the club
so in theory the club could just pay the player what he has to play the club, problem solved.
however this is where the problem starts, if they pay the player it will be subject to 40% income tac, which means the figure would have to be vastly inflated to be net what he has to pay the club. this amount may be as high as a fee would of been in the first place
only benifit would be for gordon brown!
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Rev Davie
I have it on v good authority that John Kennedy will start on Saturday.
Hooptastic, they sure will.
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Antsman
Yes I know but I'm thinking that Wigan will not offer to pay it as they are looking to sell Webstar in the summer. This means that either Rangers or Webstar will pay the fine (hopefully Rangers at the vastly inflated price you mentioned:)) and then Wigan can charge them even more. Happy Days
Paul
Wouldnt it be really funny if Wigan then asked for something along the lines of 5 million just to wind up Hearts :)
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Nice man and lovely fella that he is, I had hoped to never see Tommy Burns in charge of another Celtic team.
Cue for TMC to be "disgusted" again.
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But if we win 5 - 0 on Saturday the cry will be "Strachen out, Burns in"!
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huns seething
Round ye - www.tictalk.org
hail hail
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Big rumour going round that Celtic will sign Jack Bauer. Probably within 24 hours. Or they may just kidnap him.
Apparantly he's good in the air and has a lethal shot from any range. Not scared of a hard tackle and can interogate any defence.
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hahaha I dont post much but I had to say that I laughed very loud at the prospect of us signing Jack Bauer. I love transfer time :)
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Tom the Tim
What am I disgusted at this time?
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All the best WGS on the hip op!
Paul67 any word on how long he'll be out of things at CP?
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danny
WGS told me he was having it done at a hospital in Leeds.
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Paul67 re John Kennedy I heard that too :-)
Best wishes Gordon
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celticbhoy
MoN nearly went there after his second season !!
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Evening Times reports that GS will be out for 4/5 days, and that TB will give an update at tomorrow's conferences.
There seems to be a kerfuffle over the seats damaged at Rugby Park. I was in the Moffat and saw no damage at all. A few stood on seats to get a view of events at the other end, but there was absolutely no wanton damage, or even climbing over at the end. The seats are small-ish and the leg-room for anyone over Sneezy-size is tiny.
A funnier point regarding seats in stadia is Wembley replacing over 3,000 red seats as they have been found to go pink in the sunshine.
And a caller to Real Radio - an ex-steward at CP said that some Rangers fans used to turn up with (red, white and blue) Tesco bags and sit on them as they refused to sit on green seats.
Mon the Asda bags.
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It does seem that the transfer system is going to be somewhat diluted, though once the penny has dropped, clubs will seek to protect their prime assets via annual contract negotiations. That means we'll still see big-money deals for years ahead, at least till some player challenges the fudged compromise of Article 17 before the ECJ.
There are however some clear winners and losers.
The big winners - as usual - are players, especially the most sought-after. Total transfer spend is likely to fall, and it's inevitable that part of the savings will go to enhancing players' contracts. At the bottom end of the market, players may suffer as contract terms offer ever-lower degrees of job security, but as a group players will benefit from higher wages.
Clubs will lose more or less the same amount overall. For each club buying a player, it makes no difference whether the money goes on transfers or wages, but for clubs as a whole there's a big difference. Transfer fees stay (mostly) in the game; wages are gone forever.
Smaller/selling clubs will suffer disproportionately. Generally speaking, there is a subsidy from larger clubs to smaller ones via the transfer system. As this subsidy decreases over the next few years, existing inequalities should increase. Selling clubs will become relatively less able to attract new talented players and fund their contracts, while at the top end of the market, the big buying clubs will benefit from a reduction in their transfer budgets, only partially offset by higher wage levels.
Non-EU clubs are the other losers. Article 17 is a mongrel love-child born of the post-Bosman horestrading between football authorities and the EU, but it is a FIFA rule and therefore has worldwide effect. Until now, non-EU clubs could demand premium prices for their top players, even where their wages were low relative to European levels, as the Bosman ruling had no direct effect on them. Expect to see more second-string Brazilian, Argentinian and Ukranian players coming to relatively wealthy EU countries whose work permit rules allow this.
Overall I'd see Celtic as marginal winners in all of this. On the plus side, we'll be able to pick up squad players from Scottish clubs and elsewhere for small amounts of cash; and overall, our transfer spend should drop (or go further). On the other hand, the really big hitters who we aspire to compete with will move still further ahead of the chasing pack.
It's all very murky though. I'd guess Celtic's recent 3+1 contract structure had one eye on Article 17, but whether it is effective or not is anybody's guess; there will be a good few more lawyers' fees incurred on this subject before everyone knows where they stand.
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Edward Ursus
On the last thread you posted
"Hi Folks,
I've just checked on public transport and it's very limited, so I was wondering if anyone from Kilmarnock to the three towns is going up to Hamilton on Friday and who could do me a big favour and get a contribution to petrol costs."
I would have liked to offer as I work from a base in Kilmarnock usually but will be elsewhere in Scotland on Friday. Hope you get something sorted.
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Bloke109 At 20:12,
I'm due the same op, a resurfacing which I was told I would be in plaster for 6 weeks after it so how he'll be back in 4/5 days I have no idea he might get out the hospital in that time given the medical support he'll get at home.
Maybe the idea of bringing it forward is so he can go on the preseason tour.
I would expect him to be out for 2 months.
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Apparantly Gordon's hip operation was carried out by Jack Bauer using a corkscrew, a bicycle pump and a 2 by 4 wooden plank.
Seems he's a bit of a physio too is our Jack.
He'll make a great signing. I doubt he'll take any nonsense from players who are unfocused.
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Where was he 3 years ago for John Kennedy.Would have had him up in a week.
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celticbhoy
Yes, I think it must be four or five days hospital. The line given is that he's very much a training ground guy and wants pre-season with the players, which then makes more sense to do it now.
They also said that he was due to have it after leaving Soton but travelled with his wife, enjoying the football break. Not the reason for leaving Soton.
My worry for signing Jack Bauer is the work permit thing. If that can be overcome, I'm sure CTU can come to some reciprocal arrangement with us with, say, agent Gravesen going the other way. Galactico, to Celt to Counter Terrorism. It's not exactly your 'stacking shelves in Somerfield' cv.
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Celticbhoy, no news on how things will pan out. As you know, this was not how things were scheduled; not sure what happened to hurry it along.
Neil, agree, this is a huge bonus for the lawyers.
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how will gordon lead the team out at hampden then
slowly
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TMC,
Sorry to have taken so long to get back to you ,but I had stuff to attend to.
I was being slightly mischievous with the PS on my previous post.
You may recall at the time of Wattie's defection, I posted regarding what I considered TB's misjudged canvassing for the job and commented on his managerial abilities.
Apparently you took exception to my post, calling it "the most disgusting thing you had ever read on CQN."
However, owing to the usually high quality of your posts and your extreme youth, I took no exception to the reprimand and allowed you to have your "bad day at the office".
Keep up the good work as you are one of the positive guys here and should be encouraged, but keep TB away from the dugoot.
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Remember Leonel Messi's goal against Getafe in the cup semi-final? The one that sparked the debate over whether it was better than Maradonna's against England?
The game finished 5-2 for Barça, with the second leg taking place tonight.
Before the game, Getafe's coach, Berndt Schuster said: "If we come back from this, the fans will burn our stadium to the ground (out of wonderment and joy, you understand). And all those new bridges they've just built in Getafe, they'll burn them down too. They'll burn everything."
The second half just kicked off. It's currently 2-0 to Getafe. I hope the local fire brigade is on standby.
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Tom the Tim
Is 'bad day at the office' keeping with the Jack Bauer theme? Remember posting that line but can't remember the context...sounds like something I'd say right enough.
TMC...ExtremeCQNYouthdivision
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3-0 Getafe.
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Make that 4-0. Barça are going out.
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Now 4-0 Getafe.
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TMC,
Please don't spread this around, but I haven't a clue who Jack Bauer is, never mind what position or what team he plays for.
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Do away goals count?
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Thats some scoreline! Wasn't Berndt Schuster coach at Barca a few tears ago? Bit of an animal as a player if I remember right.
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Anyone got a link to the Glen Gibbons article in the Etims article?
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Some joined up thinking between football's governing bodies would be welcome.
On one hand we have Uefa with its egalitarian retoric as espoused by ne President Platini; and on the other we have Fifa setting precedents that will concentrate the power amongst a narrow band of players.
The way I see it, this ruling will make players even more mercenary at the expense of Clubs.
We all idolise the players, but ultimately we should learn to trust and back the custodians of our money - the Board.
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Paul67,
What's the latest regarding the physio Tim Williamson? He is apparently been suspended.
Any news?
If he is gone, are we likely to see the return of Brian Scott? Players seem to be out pretty long with injuries since he went.
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WGS, no information on the personnel dispute, though I am sure Mr Scott will not be welcomed back.
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emu,
Not sure which one you were after, so I've done both.
Not so Funky Gibbons
E-Tims - GORDON STRACHAN – Only Bigots Don’t Salute
Lubo.
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Paul.
I'd like to post a comment about the Scott macdonald appeal thats coming up.Who's to say that it will be heard before the end of the season,They may intentionally hold up the hearing until the closed season, Then add a further four game ban for submitting a frivolous appeal.
Just to put the boot into Celtic a wee bit more.
I Think i'm getting a bit paranoid.
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TMC-
I've met you.
You can drop the extreme........
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oldtim67
Apparently if the referee, tonight, refused to change his mind on the red card then there can be no appeal.
Haven't yet heard the outcome but Malpas is not hopeful.
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Paul67 - A belated happy birthday, been travelling so not much chance to log in.
Good to see the humour back on CQN after the last couple of weeks
Oregonbhoy
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Barça lose 4-0 at Getafe and bomb out. This is Big Frankie Rijkaard's Artmedia.
No one gave Getafe a hope. The football federation had already decided to host the final at the Bernabéu and Real Madrid fans had launched a campaign to protest that it was an insult to Real Madrid to hand a cup to Barcelona in their stadium.
This is tosh. The final is always played at a neutral venue and they try to make it more or less equidistant for both finalists (the other being Seville this year).
Real Madrid defender Michel Salgado got himself involved by backing the protest. "The one thing you should never do is provoke people," the philosophical full-back mused.
Now look. They've all provoked Getafe, a tiny team from a dormitory town to the south of Madrid, to achieve one of the greatest results in Spanish football history.
No one can believe it.
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El Diego Bhoy
Away goals would have counted, had Getafe needed them to.
SDSTim
Schuster was previously coach at Xerez and took them very close to promotion and, I think, on a magnificent cup run, but not as magnificent as this one.
He was spoken of earlier this year as the man to take over from Fabio Capello at Real Madrid, whom, we all assumed, was certain to be sacked. Now Capello could win the league and may well keep his job. If he wins the league, he will only walk if he wants to.
Schuster played for Barcelona, Real Madrid and Atlético Madrid. He played in the same Barça team as Diego Maradonna in the early 80s. Contrary to your recollection, he was a very gifted and skillful midfielder and not dirty at all, in spite of being a tall, heavy guy.
Good news for the fire fighters is that it's pouring with rain in Getafe.
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Celtic Player Of The Year Awards
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Oldtim67, you are not paranoid, you just remember the Jorge Cadete scandal.
Oregonbhoy, hope things are well at the western edge of CQN.
Celtic First, “philosophical full back” :-0
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EDB.Thanks for that,I was just at my paranoid best.
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Check out the image here, four rows back.
http://www.elmundodeportivo.es/
I happen to know that BoltonBhoy left for Madrid this afternoon and could have made it down to Getafe in time for kick-off.
I also happen to know that he looks nothing like this handsome young Hoops fan.
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Lubo
Cheers!
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Celtic_first I could not see anyone in the hoops but in an advert at the bottom right I saw a few strikers I would be interested in
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sorry off thread bhoys. paul whats happening about the golf day sent off my deposit ,havent heard a thing since ,is it still on ,
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greenlion2
Sorry. They changed the front page photo on us.
Go to
www.elmundodeportivo.es
/20070510/NOTICIA307041775.html
Without the line break that I put in for Paul there. Under that photo of Samuel Eto'o trooping off, there are four other pix. The one you want is top left of the four with the Barça reserve goalie (in red) diving in vain to stop a Getafe goal.
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Paul.
You must be able to read minds,Thats exactly who I was thinking of when I made that comment.
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Calls for Rijkaard to be sacked raining in, even if they do hang on and win the league (five games to go, two points ahead of Real Madrid, four ahead of Seville, six ahead of Valencia).
If Real Madrid win the league, Rijkaard will be sacked, I fear.
Lest we forget, he won the Champions' League a year ago.
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jimtim, golf day is going ahead on 13 July as planned. I am meeting Taggseybhoy tomorrow to discuss.
Do you know what we all need now? A wee piece of box office business. Hmmm.
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Celtic_First
Thanks a lot for that. As I was reading your post and you mentioned Capello I remembered seeing Schuster in the all white of Real, I knew he'd played for Barca, seems I've done him a disservice on his style of play. Big lad I remember too..hope he doesn't read CQN:)
I assume Barca had the full team out, or did Rijkard make the classic mistake of resting a few players thinking the tie was in the bag? Did Messi play?
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I usually agree with 99% of what e-tims says when its being serious but in the article posted by Lubo tonight I cant agree with much of what teh voice is saying.
I know to many people who do not like Gordon and no matter what he delivers they will not like him. And this is not fly by night supporters some of them are 100% home and away bhoys.
I have even had these guys blame him for the defaeat at the Mothers and us losing the league and now passing it onto buying young mr macdonald not because he is bad but because he scored those goals.
We must remember that Gordon Does not as yet have 1 of the greatest players ever to play for us.
I really would love to know what our record over the last 10 years season by season is playing games with and without him.
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Celti_First,
Thanks for the updates.
For anyone who can't find the pic...
Getafe Tim Picture
Lubo. Tims are everywhere CSC.
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Lubo the pictures I saw were better
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lubo.
Even the balls a tim.
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Paul67,
Are you looking forward to the summer.
Do you think Team 3 will be the real Gordon Strachan team and the season that finally hammers home his vision?
I don't know why but i got a feeling it will come together for him. The type of players he requires to carry out this aim will finally arrive.
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SDSTim
You touch on the key point. Messi did not even travel.
After he scored that wonder goal in the first leg, some suggested he would be left out for his own protection, that he would be under severe pressure from the players he had humiliated.
Berndt Schuster said he was glad Messi wasn't playing, but only because Messi is a special player. He said he had felt a bit sorry for his boys because the entire world had seen 100 times the mugs Messi made of them, but he said they had already got over it.
Now, of course, everyone is saying: "How could Rijkaard possibly leave Messi out? What a catastrophic mistake."
The line-up was as follows.
Jorquera
Puyol
Sylvinho
Edmilson
Oleguer Iniesta
Xavi
Zambrotta
Giuly
Eto´o
Ronaldinho
Not too weak a team on paper. Belleti, Saviola and Gudjohnsen came on in the second half.
