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Lukasz Fabianski from Legia Warsaw was sold to Arsenal yesterday. He signed four years long contract. First year for understudy, in a second season he will be No.1.Seems to be too late for Celtic.
I don’t say 0:5 is possible today. I go back to the real world, 0:2 is enough.
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come on ye hoops
hail hail
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Podium!?
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any team news?
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zbyszek - so Artur isn't going to Arsenal this summer after all?! I'm glad as I'm hoping he's going to be part of another CHAMPION season.
Didn't you say before that Fabianski was a better prospect than AB?
Paul - hope you have a weekend of non-stop celebration and don't even notice that you've become an auld haun!
A few Tims I've spoken to are worried about today as we've clearly switched off after Meelan. I'm praying for a Carlsberg OF game with a Lenny 'toe-poke' flying into their net in injury time. That would be priceless!
Finally, I hope the song book is upbeat and aimed at winding them up rather than anything that will give the laptop loyal ammunition against us. I couldn't envisage it being swept under the carpet like their last visit to CP.
Good luck to Lenny and everyone who's lucky enough to have a ticket.
Remind them who the CHAMPION are.
TTTTmildlyhungoverCSC
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Yes, there's a bit of good in that information. I think Arsenal was very clever with that. Why pay a lot of money for Boruc when they have young perspective goalkeeper and one year reserve in Lehman? Fabianski is very similar to Boruc. I mean his personality. Okey, meybe not as crazy as Artur is. IMO could be very good successor.
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Zbyszek
How much did Arsenal pay? I can remember Fabianski being really good in the friendly against us and Man Utd were interested. Really hope we don't lose Boruc now because that's one potential replacement gone.
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malone
Not sure, but Polish media say about 3 million Euro. Everything is shrouded in mystery. Arsenal asked to keep a discreet silence. Fabianski has to go back for medical tests to London. That's the only question mark. They will say more when everything will be binded.
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A lovely day for hun gubbing
Hail Hail
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Zbyszek,
Sad news about the young pretender Fabianski - from the videos that you posted he will be an excellent Keeper.
Unfortunately, I think the Big Yin will go in the summer (I hope not, but money talks..) and we'll be left looking at Gordon...makes me shudder. Someone posted a couple of days ago that a good keeper doesn't win games, but stops losing games.....
Are Hearts winning the league, nope, are they in Europe, nope....that could be our fate with an average keeper like Gordon or Marshall..
Still on with the day - winning goal by Lenny ( a 2 inch piledriver will do - tap over the line).......
getting up at 630 to watch a game....never get used to it
Hail Hail all
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Sunny day should keep the forces of darkness at bay. Anybody got team news yet?
Work is a pain.
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Boruc, Caldwell Pressley McManus Naylor,
Naka Gravesen Hartley Lennon McGeady,
JVoH
4-5-1?
Come on the Bhoys!
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Yet another interesting one from WGS. Glad Gravesen is getting a go to do his run about mad thing.
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Exactly the team I expected and formation I expected. It's up to the midfield to dominate the game today.
I'm surprised at the criticism of Craig Gordon. He has put in some outstanding performances playing for a poor team, or two poor teams if you count Scotland. I think he would become an even better keeper with us.
But my first choice is of course AB to stay,
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Oh cesspit in the sun
Celtic 1, huns got none
The Fod’s all done
and we have won.
An’ know what’s funny
we got more money
yes, they’re in a plight
and just not s’ite
I know it’s pretty bad poetry, but I’m getting thon jittery way again.
Hail Hail
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one last cigar for Lenny
Championees
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C'mon Bhoys - lets put the forces of darkness in their place!!
2 nil to the hoops today with JVOH to get his first 2 goals against them.
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Good morning all. CHAMPION Day for a hun gubbing....
Please Graveson is in but looks like a packed midfield. Wonder who will be tasked with helping out JVoH up front - maybe the onus will be on Hartley
I'll settle for 3-2 today.
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Lot's of Japanese headbands in the crowd today :)
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Come on the Hoops
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Lenny lookng relaxed - go on my son
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Celtic to kick off - game on ....
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mon the bhoys!
stuck to radio today
lets boss this 1
Hail hail!
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anyone getting footage on c67?
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TG looking psyched up - no surprise there :)
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TG looking psyched up - no surprise there :)
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morning campers.
Pasty - I'm finally getting games on Ch67 again but lots of buffering today.
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I'm just getting audio at the moment. It seems to take the site ages to update with the team news. Very frustrating
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1st good spell from us results in a FK - long way out but Naka will have a go from there
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Free Kick in Naka territory......comes to nothing.
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Beatts - check the video help link on the web-site and make sure all your media player settings are correct
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Why does the commentator always call McGeady "The Glasgow-born Irishman"? Is Richard Gough "The Stockholm-born Scotsman" every time he is mentioned?
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Artur has made a couple of solid catches so far
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We're giving the ball away far too much. Caldwell needs to settle down
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Poor game so far, very ragged. We need to get Aiden on the ball more.
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The tactic seems to be to punt high ball up front for JVoH to win against 3 defenders
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Pasty - keep rebooting ch67.
MN still buffering but not as bad. thanks
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Good block by Caldwell at edge of box. We need to get Naka and Aiden nore involved
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Shot from TG blocked at edge of box - our first effort on goal
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Kris Boyd scores breaking his hoodoo
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0-1 Boyd.
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Foul on Aidne not given, high ball forward and Boyd scores with a miskick.
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First time posting.
And Boyd just scored.
Am I bad luck?
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Naylor was casually walking out on the far side and played him on
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1 nil to the huns. Boyd.
Looked like Boruc should have saved a fairly tame volley.
We have no shape or urgency this afternoon.
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maybe I don't want c67 now
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yellow card for caldwell. Why Pressley and not O'Dea. I just don't understand it
Is Pressley still going to be here next year?
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Novo shot just over - roll on HT - this is poor
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Poor first half from us. No creativity in midfield and not a single goal threat.
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can't say i'm surprised
bearing in mind that this is team 2
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hail hail
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I might be paranoid, but watch as boyd runs to McCoist to celebrate the goal, is the SFA 4th official clapping the goal? see if anyone else can spot it
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Half Time. 1 nil to the huns. This is very much like the 2nd half of the last game against them at Parkhead in March. They are dreadful but we are worse. A really poor display from Celtic. Our midfield is missing and JVOH has not had any service. Things can only get better in the 2nd half.
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Disgraceful display - the only consolation is that it can't get worse.
If anybody can explain our tactics to me, I would be interested.
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We are missing hartley,Naka and Aiden...oh they are playing!
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I barely recognise Celtic these days. What a pitiful excuse that was out there for 45 mins.
One striker, who hasn't touched the ball. Five midfielders who have done the square root of hee haw.
And an attitude bordering on the criminally arrogant.
Absolute rubbish.
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HT them 1-0 Celtic
Not sure what our game plan is out there - we have nothing up front. JVoH must wonder what the heck he is supposed to do up there, battling against 3 defenders with no support. The midfield is too congested and our game is getting bogged down in there. With 1 man up front, we need to get the ball wide.The only player who is getting balls into the box is Naylor and it is usually fron the half way line. Please change something Gordon
Boruc - Looked solid - not much chance with the goal
Caldwell - Poor
Pressley - Poor
McManus - Steady game
Naylor - Getting a lot of work in. Will need to look at himself for the goal as he played Boyd on
Hartley - Poor
Graveson - Lot's of aggression but not a lot of quality
Lennon - Solid
Aiden - Looks good when on the ball but he is struggling to find space
Naka - started brightly but fell out of it
JVoH - Thankless task up front
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Erm...
I'm at a loss as to what we could change as nothing is getting to our front men/man. Midfield losing the ball and our defence getting jittery as 2 or 3 gers bomb on to attack.
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Play fitba Celtic - show some passion and pride in the shirt you are wearing.
Get inta them!
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Tactics are mystifying.
Where are our strikers?
What exactly is JVoH supposed to do? He's not ven getting long balls played up to him?
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Woeful first half. Hard to see how gordon is going to turn this around.No confidence in the team at all, and huns are winning personal battles all over the park.
Caldwell never a right back, and up front JVOH is no Chris Sutton.Midfield being completely dominated.
Just hope gordon has something up his sleeve.
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zero efforts at goal and a yard of the pace.
No excuses today.
Hibs scored 3 against this bunch last week.unbelieveable
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pressley stepped up to play offside without looking at the man to his left 10 yards behind him, criminal
hartley poor again
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Kenny Miller coming on for Gravesen
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They are more up for the game than us for sure. They are dominating midfield but have no quality when moving forward - hence they only have the 1 goal.
I would get Caldwell and Hartley off. Get Riordan up front. If Doumbe is on the bench, get him on as well - if not, leave Hartley on but play him RB. 4-4-2
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Miller on for Gravesen.
Let`s hope we get a better second half. Come on Celts!
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Fck - Graveson off. Why has WGS got so much faith in Hartley?
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At least we now have 2 up front
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Naka misses a sitter - played in by JVoH - Better
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Good chance from the corner for Mick but mis-timed his header
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Naka has a shot off the line and McManus heads a clear chance wide from the resulting corner. Best pece of play we've had all day. They're there for the taking - the huns have all gone quiet.
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If Miller had follwed in the Naka chance like a striker should he would have had a tap in.
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Spoke too soon - huns go 2-0 up after from a jammy free kick.
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2-0 Rangers with the BBC website showing 62% possession for Celtic.
What's going on?
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0-2 ffs
Harltley gave a way a stupid free kick in the first place.
The FK was hit along the ground and went stright through the wall.
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Free kick rolled in under the jumping wall.
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Seeeeebo! That's the Rangers scoring finished.
Mon the hoops... get Riordan on.
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hartley is murder, why is grav the fall guy again!! he was no worse than hartley. naka been poor not chasing back. here comes sebo, smith wants to really rub it in with a boyd and sebo double
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Could we be looking at an SPL landslide... with Celtic taking the title by a huge margin of 3 points?
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Complete comic book football
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Good save from Artur. This is the worst Celtic performance I have seen in a long time. Absolute p*sh.
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spineless performance and undoubtedly the worst in the recent poor run.
We're getting tanked and making next seasons champions elect look like world beaters. No leaders on the park and too many players have accepted defeat meekly.
I'm gutted.
Which team is it that needs the major clear out?
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Doumbe coming on for Caldwell. Hopefully he can give us some more width down the right wing.
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Caldwell off - Doumbe on
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Embarresing so far. We are making a poor side look useful. No cohesion, no fight and totaly outplayed.
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KM is at least giving them something to think about up front
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JVoH got a bad head wound
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Shot from Lennon blocked for a corner ...
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comes to nothing. Deeks coming on for Aiden.
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Seeebo Seeebo!
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embarrasment today, pressley is shocking sebo running him ragged. no creativity or drive in midfield, hartley deeper than lennon again.rangers midfield has completely dominated
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Sebo strolls past Pressley like he wasn't there - should have scored.
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At 10:40 Zbyszek said...
I don’t say 0:5 is possible today. I go back to the real world, 0:2 is enough.
Zbyszek, I presume you meant Celtic 0:2 Rangers? It looks like you called it right then!
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Naylor booked for lying on the ground and letting Hutton charge into him. Lennon booked for petulance. Roll on FT.
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Hutton goes in over the ball on Lee Naylor and gets booked. Naylor gets booked for letting Hutton kick him and Lennon gets booked for having a few words with the in-bred hun. Seems only fair that we should get two yellow cards when a hun commits a foul against us!!
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Miller booked
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2 - 0 down and we've been dreadful all day.
yet our fans are still outsinging the scum. Well done to the bhOys off the park.
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We have handed the momentum to Rangers since Smith took over.
It has been an insipid uninspiring 4 months.
Todays performance was dire.
To be out played and out fought by Rangers today sums up our ineptitude.
The players attitude is disgraceful and is undeserving of the support given.
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I will ask again
£5m for Naka...
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Thank god that's over. No pace down the wings against two of the worst full backs in the league. They have two centre backs whose only ability is to head the ball - so what do we do? Play high balls!!
No penetration from our midfield and we lost two easily preventable goals.
We are our own worst enemy at making them look good. The only thing that makes me happy is that we have the financial ability to improve and that the huns will have a massive sense of over confidence going into next season.
We need to get some momentun up in the last two games before the Cup final.
The best performance in the hoops today was from the 7500 in the Broomloan Road.
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Well at least it should give a perfect indication of what Strachan needs to do over the summer. Better now than next year when it really counts.
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Well beaten.
Too many lightweights in the team now.
Referee turned into a court jester at the end booking for Celts for hee haw.
Exactly what rangers have won in the last two seasons!
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FBT,
Gordon Smith said that Lennon could have seen red. He also said that there was a `scary gulf` between the teams.
The commentry from David Begg was scandalous. BBC Radio Rangers. None of them, Murdo included mentioned Hutton for a red card.
Och I`m fed up! :-(
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still shocking even although it was expected
strachan has brought in inferior players
who were shown up, again today
hartley - is never a celtic player
gravessen - you just seen his last game in hoops
caldwell - at fault for both goals
pressley - woeful
neil lennon has made the right decision
mcgeady has to work on his game
naka was awful and should have scored
mcmanus was terrible
etc etc etc
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Poor performance, poor passing, all the cojones left when Gravvy went off.
Hate to say we were outplayed and didn't look like making any headway.
I now have (for the first time this season), a real fear for our only big game left - the cup final.......
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To everyone who posts aghast when someone on this board dares to criticise Strachan- it's performances like today that make you wonder if he has a clue what he is doing.
Tactics: abysmal. One striker completely marked out of the game, and when we bring on another it's Kenny Miller, who is rubbish.
Motivation: Non-existant. Embarassing seeing us roll over so easily.
Quality: Alarmingly threadbare. Embarassing to see such bad, bad players in the Hoops. Pressley, Miller, Caldwell, Hartley- all absolutely gash today.
All in all, a pitiful performance. I could take it if this was a "foot-off-the-gas" moment, like when we beat them 3-0 at Hampden, but the alarming fact is that what we saw today was a pretty standard Celtic performance under Strachan, bereft of guile or creativity, slower than a week in the jail, and with a sworrying big-time charlie attitude running through the team.
We are chapions, probable double winners, and this has been a really poor poor season watching Celtic.
Go figure.
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FT 0-2
The ONE positive thing from today is that Rankers might feel they have enough with the players they have now to pose a challenge next year.
From our POV I can't see where the performance necessary to win the Cup is going to come from. These players look dead on their feet.
Pressley needs to find a new club. Hartley - you lived the dream but it didn't work out. Caldwell, make the CH position yours or resign yourself to a career on the bench. Naka needs to step up in these games - I can't recall him having a good game against these. Wilson, you need to get yourself fit and stay fit next season.
The team have had a productive season but the only ones who can feel certain of a start next season are Boruc, Mick, Naylor, Naka and JVoH.
That was a rank rotten performance from the Champions. Why are we not playing with flair and confidence with the title already won?
What a crap start to the weekend.
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Absolutely shocking today.
5 mins to go and Hutton committs a bad foul on Naylor, for which he should have been sent off. Celtic players suddenly find enough passion to start pushing and shoving like wee boys on a playground. If they'd shown half as much in the previous 85 mins then we wouldnt have been 2 down.
Too many players look as if their time at celtic has come and gone Miller, McGeady and a few whose time should never have come like Hartley.
Venegoor's form of late has left a huge question mark over him and another annonymous show from Naka.
Let me be the first to answer Smell the Gloves question.
5 million for Naka, I'd bit yer hand off.
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Been listening to the game on radio Scotland, this guy Begg is easily the most biased commentator i have ever heard,and that's saying something!
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The worst performance yet against the scum, those celtic players should hang their heads in shame. The performance was very indicitive of how we have been playing over the last 5 weeks and WGS doesnt see what everyone else can, that this team is in need of at leaset five players that have an offensive nature. Players i would like to see go.
Hartley
Caldwell
Miller
JVOH(hasnt got it for me)
Beattie
Presley(we have enough young cover)
Lennon(obviously)
Riordan
Players in.
1 Right back
2 Offensive Midfielders
2 Quality forwards
We have a big enough squad to cope with all other positions, but need to play players in their correct positions.
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Shocking tactics. Shocking display. Uttery deplorable perfomance all round, players, manager, everyone but the fans - MAGNIFICENT AS ALWAYS.
Seriously, defending Strachan's team selection is now defending the indefensible. He has us playing like a latter day Southampton in green and white hoops.
I've said it before on these forums, after a bad result, and some thought I was scaremongering. I'll say it now, again, after being run ragged, outclassed, by the worst Rangers team in living memory.
Bad days are ahead unless we change our style of play, unless Strachan grows out of this mentality which is not so much about WINNING as NOT LOSING.
The writing is on the wall, and if I might make a political analogy here, in the aftermath of yesterdays results, to rely on past glorious and previous results, to ignore present evidence and worrying signs of decay, is to invite disaster on an epic scale.
That team needs gutting, and if Strachan cannot see that we are in big, big trouble. Yet he talks about adding two or three players, and about not tinkering with the squad.
Further, he could not even see, with five minutes gone in the second half, that McGeady was not in the game and needed to go off. Riordan might have turned this, if given time, or at least added fresh impetus.
No-one can deny this stuff is unacceptable. I defended Strachan long and loud last season, when much of what I'm saying here was being said across the broad spectrum of the site. I am coming to believe our mentality is all wrong, and yes, I am worried.
Today was shocking, and if it were an isolated incident I would feel very differently, but it was part of a continuing pattern, and I think we are unwise to ignore that fact.
I am also worried about other goings on at Celtic Park, like the Youth side's downward spiral. When the restructuring took place after McDowell went to Rangers, something clearly went wrong. I wonder if we're now adopting the Strachan mentality across the boards?
God, I hope not.
We are NOT Southampton, or Coventry. We do NOT have to play with ONE STRIKER AT HOME ON THE DAY WE GET THE LEAGUE TROPHY.
I'm not kidding here, I see trouble ahead. The writing is on the wall. We better get this sorted out.
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so many shamelessly defended strachan for the gash we played saying we would see a difference when the league was one
we have - even worse
Hartley and pressley showed where they came form a hopeless hearts side never likely to get close to a title. naka was just terrible papac ran untracked so many times.
this is not a knee-jerk reaction by people but patience is wearing thin, against 2 old slow centrebacks we looked toothless.nkaka should of scored after jans lay off first time was the call.
Gravesen i feel for as he just doesn't get a chance its hard floating in and out at because hartley starts no matter what. thats not to say he played well.
Boruc was at fault for first goal but it was only after pressley stupidly stepped up and caldwell spectated.
as for second it was just a piece of quality simple as that
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BCHUK
I'm sorry. I'm not a prophet. Of course I meant a win for Celtic.
Very dissapointed today.It's a lack of ambition. Can't they play for the supporter? Sometimes it doesn't metter whether you win or loose, but fans always deserve respect.
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James Forrest 14.43
Excellent description of our present failings and I cannot disagree with any of it.Quite why Strachan has developed this `musn't lose' mentality is beyond me.
4-5-1 and two holding midfield players against average SPL sides. What is that all about??
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we as a support cannot accept any more performances like we saw today. its all well and good saying the league is already won.
some guys are paying good money to watch GS put out shocking teams with shocking tactics week in and week out.
the season ticket for next year is looking less value (as a customer) every passing week.
paul67.
as a SUPPORTER what we are seeing celtic become is simply not acceptable. as usual they have us supporters over a barrel because to them we are customers ready to pay up for any old drivel, that is what we are becoming. one up front again. wee man get a friggin grip.
the hibs and hearts rejects 11 is getting worse.
things better improve.
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On the radio the key phrase was `making a mark for next season` and it wasn`t our team who did that.
Quotes from Gordon Strachan
`1st half Testimonial football and
2nd half Catch up football`
`We are not proud of our performance today.`
`He has a nothing feeling because it wasn`t even a game today.`
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Testimonial football???
What in the HELL is he trying to say? That the players WERE NOT TRYING?? I need to ask WHO'S FAULT IS THAT?? What's he DONE about it?
Jesus! No halfway decent manager would put up with that for two seconds.
I tell you, those comments do not bring comfort or solace. They do not inspire or encourage in any way, shape or form.
If the present team don't want to wear the Hoops, why's he talking about retaining them for next season? Why not play the kids (the reserves, obviously, not the Under 19's) in the next game? Play boys who RESPECT THE SUPPORTERS, if not the manager.
Shocking comments. Utterly ridiculous.
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Ermmmm, I would love it, really love it if I could convince myself that what I just witnessed was a clever, cunning ploy to lull the opposition in to a false sense of security.
Let's start with a well worn premise that a Celtic shirt does not shrink to fit inferior players.
From where I was sitting it looked blatantly obvious that a good few in our team have no clue about what is expected of a Celtic player.
That was one of the most gutless, spineless performances I have ever seen.
We have assembled a squad of toothless lightweights.
I have never, ever booed or harranged a Celtic team or player, but right now I am sorely tempted to drive over to the Park a wait for that lot to return.
Right now I am filled with a mixture of disgust and embarrassment. That was a truely shameful performance, so much so I was almost in tears watching.
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at last i can breath....having big prob with google account not recognising my password.phew!
well that was utter mince
i'm on a downer and very worried, this has been going on for months and to be honest i have dreaded going to paradise most weeks.
the cup final is not so assured
and i have very big doubts about
GOD and WGS as our manager.this of course not a knee jerk reaction but its just not good enough from the champs
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End of season, meaningless and ultimately of no consequence. That's what I keep telling myself in recent weeks at each insipid performance.
Before that the rationalisation was that the league has been over for so long that players are getting stale through lack of meaningful competition.
We could always look at performacnes against Milan for comfort.
But is there a question that those of us who are more optimistic are afraid to ask?
Is Gordon Strachan the right coach for Celtic?
I choose my words very carefully here, as I believe he is a coach with great ability, but is he right for our club.
To answer that one must consider his track record, both prior to and since he came to Celtic.
He has undoubtadly brought success to Celtic with two league championships in a row and an unprecendented qualification from the CL group stages. Add to this very creditable performances against some serious European players.
Only the most rosy tinted spectacle wearing cock-eyed optimist can igore however that in achieving the above he has not carried a fair degree of good fortune.
Hearts imploded last year, there is no doubt about that, and until that point they had looked a solid bet to go a long way in the league.
Rangers imploded this year, but have shown that by bringing a modicum of organisation and aggression to their play they can quite easily throw us off our stride.
Who can honestly say that had they being playing with the same efficiency, and note I deliberately do not say they are a good team, that we would be sitting today as Champions.
A great run in the Champions league does not come about purely through luck, but again who can say that the three good hidings we got away from home may not just as easily have left us at the foot of our group had it not been for a magical free kick and a penalty save.
The games against Milan were great, the atmosphere and all that is good about the club came to the fore, and indeed many say that if it wasn't for a dodgy referee in milan it owuld have been a different story.
Not so I'm afraid, I think we all saw what real quality is capable of on Wedneday night in that same stadium ,and let's be honest even if we had got the penalty we should have does anyone seriously think that Milan had nothing left in the tank to step up several gears if they had to.
That brings me to the crux of my point.
As he did countless times in England, GS is a master of setting out a team to frustrate and sometime sneak a surprise result against the bigger boys, and my concern is that is that Celtic should , indeed must, be about so much more than that.
When one looked into the eyes of Celtic players under MON you saw a steely determination, a will to win. You sensed a belief in the Hartsons, Suttons, Lennons, Larrsons that no mater who they played they fancied their chances.
I don't see that in the present lot, and never really have and thats the heart of the matter.. we are a teeam who can sometimes rise to the occasion when the odds are against us, but we are not born winers
I'm not really one for making comparisons especially between our two most recent managers, mainly because the circumstances and the resources within which they operated were entirely different. But I do insist that the club looks to the future, and the board has a serious question to ask.
Are we going to be winners, or plucky competitors, and in asking this they must look into the eyes and heart of Gordon Strachan and if they do not see that same uncomprimising determination not just to make our team spririted, but to make it dominant then they must make a change.
I hope I'm wrong on this one, but when I look at Celtic now I see a team on a par with Everton. Not so long ago I saw a team that was the equal of and indeed the better of a Liverpool.
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James Forrest
You were obviously posting your comments as I was typing mine.
You make the point i wanted to make much more forcefully and articulately.
Thanks
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GM:
Absolutely agree with you. I was equally embarrased and disgusted. This was not a Celtic team today but a bunch of spineless loons who somehow won a "Be A Footballer For A Weekend" contest.
There is a lot of nonsense being talked here and on other forums about the Celtic support not accepting Strachan because he is not "one of us."
It's garbage, unless you view those words in their context.
Most of us believe in playing sexy football. On that front, Strachan is definitely NOT "one of us."
Most of us believe Celtic should ALWAYS play two men up front. On that front, Strachan is clearly not "one of us."
Most of us are of the view that our midfield is good enough to play in a 3-5-2 system, with the emphasis on attack and the SCORING OF GOALS. Strachan is obviously not "one of us."
Most of us have confidence that such tactics will not simply beat, but WIPE THE FLOOR with most of the SPL teams. Strachan, by what I can see, is not "one of us."
And most of us rate Derek Riordan very highly and would NEVER have him out of Celtic team.
Strachan is not "one of us."
So, yeah, I agree that much of our frustration comes from Strachan's not being "one of us."
As to his religion, background or footballing past - I could not possibly care less.
But I care about Celtic. And that, today, and for many many months, has NOT been Celtic class.
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I have read people make some telling points today and I was going to post up some thoughts but that performances was not even worth being critical of.
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OK it's near the end of the season. OK the leaguse is won.
But it was still a Rangers v Celtic game. Anyone who does not understand what that means and doesn't go out to win the game with everything they are worth does not deserve to be employed by Celtic Football Club.
I remember seeing a picture of Tommy Burns during the second half and I knew that he was hurting as much as I was. Several of the players did not seem to have the same feelings about the game.
On the bright side, Doumbe looked good when he came on. And .... no that's the only positive thing I can think of to say.
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gordon_j
what other positives are there?
strachan said
I thought Rangers were the better team. They played winning football, we played testimonial football," he said.
"It's up to the players how they want to perform in terms of winning tackles and passing the ball.
"There is a hollow feeling after that performance, because it wasn't a game really. We are the champions, but we were not good today," Strachan added.
i say its up to him to sort out underperformance, at least he finally subbed caldwell
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giz_a_huddle
the embodyment of the term "happyclapper"
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oh and just to back another loser hattef for the guineas
Pat
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giz_a_huddle:
I will respond quickly, before your petulant and childish response is deleted pending Paul or someone else's reading.
If you don't think THAT performance is unacceptable, that it deserves to be criticised and that SERIOUS questions don't need to be asked by the start of next season, you are either blind or stupid.
If we ignore the evidence right in front of our eyes, the evidence that something is FAR WRONG here then we are sleepwalking into a disaster. Maybe you're willing to bite your lip and say a prayer and hope for the best, but some us love our club and feel making our voices heard is important.
Your comment contains nothing but invective and some bad language. It's unworthy of this blog, where most people chose to indulge in proper, reasoned debate, and where, regardless of the opposing views, we respect one another.
But that respect is earned, and does not apply in this case.
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OK I'LL SAY IT, WGS YOUR TIMES UP!.
WE SHOULD BE BUILDING ON AN ALREADY ESTABLISHED TEAM CORE FOR NEXT SEASON AND ADDING TO IT IN THE COMING MONTHS.I THINK WE NOW NEED A REBUILD. DO WE SEE WGS AS THE MAN RESPONSIBLE ENOUGH TO SPEND THE CASH?
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Mr Forrest I will delete my comment but I am just hacked off at the negativity on here these days.
Nothing to do with respect I dont particularly care if you respect me.
Pat
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So, like Jack McConnell and Blair yesterday, standing on the deck of a sinking ship, asking us all to believe they are happy with the result because they didn't get a hammering, do us all a favour (we need a laugh after that perfomance today) and put a positive spin on this.
And don't go with "We are Champions", please, because today we did not play like it and haven't done for many months.
It's unacceptable whatever way you cut it, and unless we get ourselves sorted it out it will not be the last defeat of its kind; further, worse results will inevitably come.
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giz a huddle
i have not been overly negative, commenting on todays game. it was mostly negatives, thats there for all to see.
better a pr*ck than stupid, which i have absolutely no doubt you are.
if your hear just to wind people up without any resoned atgument then go elsewhere.
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dear oh dear oh dear
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I've not bee negative at all this week. But i's hard to be anything other than negative given today's lack of performance.
I don't read too much into it for next season, as both sides will look different.
But losing to that mob always hurths. To lose to such a poor team hurts even more. They had Wier and Ehoigh in central defence - and looked solid, ffs.
As champions, we should have been on a high and rubbing in our superiority. We should have been giving our captain a final win at Ibrox. We should have been giving those magnificent fans something to cheer about.
Instead we lay down and let them walk all over us. Anyone who thinks that standard of performance is acceptable, at any time, ever, should give up and go home now.
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Giz_A_Huddle,
Sounds like yer hurting!
Would that be anything to do with the non-performance today?
While it was a meaningless game in terms of league position - If a player at Celtic FC cannot motivate themselves against Rangers then they do not deserve to be at the club.
Hail Hail
Pob
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Deplorable, yet again.
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My dear friend, James Forrest,@14.43
Today's result, was predictable.
The G.A. are on the Up escalator,
the Bhoys are on the Down.
We have seen a steady reversal of Celtic's fortune for weeks... nay.. Months!
The only surprise that today offered, was the one that the Celtic followers are now voicing, in their utter disappointment.
We,however, are not in the least surprised!
The present Celtic Team is flawed.
It's Winning Spirit is Broken!
Whereas, the Winning Spirit of the G.A., has been resurrected!
To put aside, for the time being, all of the criticism that is being directed, and may I say, deservedy, at the technical shortcomings of Gordon,and the continuing lacklustre performances of the individual Celtic Players... the real nub of the matter is that this Celtic Team has lost it's... "Je nais sait qua!".....which means, in the good old vernacular..... BOTTLE!!
How can this intangible of intangibles be revived?
That,my friend is the 64 Dollar question!
Or...is it?
Casting our minds' back to the sudden reversal in the fortunes of the G.A., who rapidly regained the vigour and confidence that had been missing in their initial League performances.
What caused their Renewal of Spirit?
What mysterious elixer, did they collectively imbibe ,that magically turned a jaded and depressed group of misfits, into a burgeoning and almost unbeatable stream-roller?
I have given you enough clues,as to the nature of the malady, that this Celtic Team is the victim.
It is now up to you to solve the riddle and furnish the CURE!
If I were in charge of the Celtic destiny, I would take immediate steps to effect that Cure!
The Cure is so obvious,that I shall not insult your intellectual ability,in reminding you that if a duck resembles a duck etc.,etc.,etc...
Kojo.
yer pal... who is terribly miserable... but.....
Saw this state of affairs COMING...!!
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Pob, perfect summation
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The reaction on here is ridiculous and almost confirms something I have feared for quite some time. There's a certain undesirable quality about our support nowadays that I can't recall at any other point in out history. Gone are the days of the “Win, lose, or draw.”, or “We don't care what the animals say” replaced instead by a distinct superiority complex usually only found growing in the murky depths of Ibrox. So today we lost an end of season fixture against our biggest rivals. We haven't been playing well lately, yet we've still secured the league and gone further in this European competition than ever before. I find it difficult to think of any other team where these circumstances would lead to calls for the manager to be fired. There's a tendency amongst certain elements of the support nowadays to expect everything at once; a feeling we're somehow entitled to constantly destroy teams 5-0 in order to feel good about ourselves. Yet again, this has never been a quality our support has possessed, but seems to be increasingly apparent in the majority. The sheer dislike aimed at Gordon Strachan is ridiculous, with excuses ranging from “we dont like the football he plays.” to “we dont like the way he presents himself to the media.”. I know its considered blasphemy to compare Gordon Strachan to Martin O'Neil on this site, but we played FAR worse football in Martin's last season, and we lost the league, which I'm sure none of us need reminding about. The 'media' excuse is one I have severe difficulty comprehending. Is this the same media that for countless years has jumped on any excuse to smear us with their propoganda? Is this the same media responsible for such charming articles as “Thugs and Thieves”? Gordon Strachan treats the media far better than they've ever treated us; he gives respect where respect is due. As for the nonsense about Derek Riordan not getting a game, or the tactics being wrong, this is exactly the kind of thing we used to hear from Rangers fans during Paul Le Guen's short period in the job, resulting in him being forced out of a job. This is something I'll sure they'll regret in years to come, because it has ended any chance of them becoming an actual football club. By the same token, I feel we'll come to regret the loss of Gordon Strachan if he is forced out as those enlightened sorts amongst our support feel is necessary. I fear the ethos and history our club so proudly upheld is dying. No longer do we support our club; we employ them. No longer do we hope for success; we expect it. Our club is no longer special, and reading this blog makes me realise I no longer feel the same way I do about supporting Celtic, and it has nothing to do with us playing 'poor' football, or Gordon's refusal to roll over to the media. There is an inexplicable dislike that has followed Gordon Strachan as soon as he has taken this job, and you can explain it away with the football, the signings, the colour of his hair all you want, but I'm not sure if i want anything to do with a support that can hate one of their own (yes, he manages us, so he IS one of us.) so vehemently. Had I wanted that, I'd have supported Rangers all those years ago.
So yes, I'm disappointed that we lost today, but I'm devastated over the feeling that we've lost so much more.
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All....
Pardon my French..
"Je nais sais qua!"
...........
"Ready.. when you are, C.B.!"
Kojo.
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Kojo,
You saying MON is coming Back ?
I'd have him back if his job was just to motivate the players - nay signing new players or awarding contracts!!
WGS always said he prefers the coaching side - but to do that he also has to manage.
Make WGS in charge of the fitba and MON in charge of match days
:o)
Tho' that might lead to more staff in the dugout than substitutes!
Hail Hail
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Dear oh dear oh dear
john who used to be ozjohn and many other names, despite what noel90 says it is not easy to get by google and blogger.
James forest
I do recall many heroic posts od yours in days gone by
now you seem like an old shrill sweetie wife.
First thing first, it is a good place to start.
The season was over after the Ayceemeelan game.
We snuck over the line at bilmarnock. End of story.
The game at eyepox today, and remember I was born within spitting distance, meant nothoing to most of today's team as they know they won't be at Celtic Park next season.
I will keep my faith, albeit only found this season on Gordon Strachan, as I was most definitely not a happy clapper when he was appointed.
That team needs gutting, and if Strachan cannot see that we are in big, big trouble. Yet he talks about adding two or three players, and about not tinkering with the squad.
I think the team already knows it has been gutted and Gordon is playing them in the hope that he can get some money for them.
Further, he could not even see, with five minutes gone in the second half, that McGeady was not in the game and needed to go off. Riordan might have turned this, if given time, or at least added fresh impetus.
I love the faith some people seem to have in Riordan.
He is an ex hibbee like Caldwell and like ex heartees Presley and Hartley, will be let go to reach their own level which is no higher than from whence they came.
I am also worried about other goings on at Celtic Park, like the Youth side's downward spiral. When the restructuring took place after McDowell went to Rangers, something clearly went wrong. I wonder if we're now adopting the Strachan mentality across the boards?
Don't be worried. you are only a supporter, are you not? We would all love to know what goes on inside CP, but only those inside do.
Get over it Jim, just be a Tim.
Say after me, we are the Champs
and don't stop at nine.
There, there. Do you feel better now?
The League is won, the season is over.
And we are the Champions
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Oh Dear, Oh Dear, Oh Dear,
What a total shambles today.
We had defenders who could not defend,
Midfielders who could neither cover the defence, or attack their defence,
And no matter how good the strikers are, if they do not get the chances, they will never score, and our strikers are not very good at all.
Kojo, says the solution to the crisis is self evident, well if it is, then there is no use blaming the players, the real blame must lie with the manager and coaching staff.
The team are misfiring in so many departments that we could not have won that game today, even against the pre New Year PLG team.
Perhaps the Celtic Board should look at the manager and coaches and their hopes for the future, because we will not get away with playing like this next season, we will not win the league again unless we improve considerably.
STAND UP FOR THE CHAMPIONS.
Martin.
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Bad result. Bad performance. But I am willing to take any bets on here from people who want to back Rangers next season. The Champions League has taken a lot out of this team and the recent performances haven't been a surprise - but I would take them every time to give me the joy of the Man Utd or AC Milan games. Gordon Strachan (who I wasn't in favour of to begin with) deserves our support for what he has achieved and if we as Celtic supporters chase him out due to a few relatively meaningless results once the league is won the we will be doing our opponents jobs for them and also be deserving of nothing but contempt.
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....not as literary gifted as some on here, but two words spring to mind about today....ABJECT FAILURE (apart from the fans).
Apart from what was (not) happening on the pitch did anybody else notice the "huddle" of WGS, TB and Gary P after about 80mins? To me, they looked like a group of men who knew that their game plan was totally shot and had'nt a clue how to resolve it. Very worrying.
Nobody deserves merit marks today with only Doumbe coming near. Tommy G. (no) thank you and goodbye. Neil, Thank you but goodbye. Kenny "ten touch". Next.
However, before I go. All is not lost. Ask yourself which desrves the bigger celebration back to back OF victories or League Championships??
Night is darkest just before the dawn.
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My dear friend, Pob...
No chance of Mon being a returnee.
Nevertheless,if you tied me to a wagon wheel and tickled my fancy...then I may divulge that my secret hope for a redeemer... would be...
A Man Called Mowbrey!
Kojo.
Yer pal.... who is hurtin'!
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Today´s game meant absolutely nothing to Celtic. That was why the supporters at the match, who forked out to see their team, cheered rather than booed their team. No Celtic player was seriously injured ( although Hutton was doing his utmost and good on Lenny protecting his player ) Gravesen got a run out in the hostile atmosphere of Ibrox, as did McGeady. Miller got his chance as well and by the way can I say thank you to Kenny Miller who scored important goals when it did matter ( Benfica or against Rangers ) even though he has dried up dramatically and is no world beater. Hartley was kept on because he needs the experience of wearing a Celtic jersey at Ibrox, the league was won before he arrived at Celtic.
I know that for many Celtic supporters beating Rangers is the best feeling in the world and that losing to Rangers is the worst. Remenber this this afternoon, the real competition between us though ended a good few months back; October?
Rangers expectations will be up for next season and Celtic will not get overconfident.
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Kojo
mowbrey would be a bad move
one that would really make you hurt
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RitchieDonovan,
If the new season were to start tomorrow, I'd say Rangers would be favourites. At the moment they are a more solid, purposeful team, with a better tactical plan and better team spirit.
The only think keeping me from utter depression about today is that we should have much more funds to strengthen next season.
If, of course, Strachan spends it wisely...
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Kojo
I hope that you are kidding about Tony Mowbray as manager.
IF Gordon was to go I would expect a far better manager than TM to come in. His record isn't very good at all.
All style and no substance.
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lost without purpose
hear hear - bizarre name but i agree with everything you said.
I'm not a complete happy clapper, the team needs work most definitely and there will be many in and out but much better to be improving a team that has won the league almost by christmas and done well in Europe than one that has failed like they did in the last year under o'neill.
KOJO - Has Mowbray definitely got what it takes to do BETTER THAN 2 titles in a row and last 16 of champions league while bringing costs down dramatically. If not then why would we take a step back?
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Kojo,
Can see why you would go down that route.
But do we really want to go back to the days of a new manager every other season?
All the successful clubs have stability.
I say post how your feeling, call the phone-ins let them all know that this was unaccepetable.
Then next week, turn up and give 100% support to the team from the moment they get off the bus.
Remember we are still the Champions and we're going for three in a row!
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No point in grumbling about it....the point has already been made.
Any Player that pulls on a Hooped shirt and can't motivate themselves against them - shouldn't be wearin it......
Too many anonymous egos today...
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italiabhoy - when this season started rangers were the favourites.
Over the year we have achieved much while they achieved nothing and we saw off a manager of much promise. Why should next year scare us?
We need 5 or 6 new players and i'm sure we will get them, aided by players going the other way.
rangers need 8 or 9 players, haven't got the money and they'll be paying off the other players.
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My dear friend, Martin.
Bingo!
As always we are on the same point o' the dial.
As you may recall.... a few Months ago, oddly enough, my praise and consistency in the Technical Powers of Mr. Strachan, began to falter...
In fact, I went to the extent of actually questioning some of Gordon's unusual and ineffectual TEAM SELECTIONS!
Quite a departure, if I may say so, from my usual Rah! Rah! Gordon!!
Fargo's famous inquisitorial directive.... Loomed!
"Whit hiv ye done fer me,lately.... Gordon?"
"Er..Er... No Much!"
In light o' the subsequent and CONTINUING mis-steps, by the Celtic Manager...
Then, maybe it is time that we had a look at his Contract!
I believe that we have been more that patient.
Time for action.
Kojo.
Yer Pal....who thinks that you think, like a thinker who thinks!
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ItaliaBhoy,
But that is my point - the new season is NOT starting tomorrow and today's result must be taken in context. The press are going to try to build this result up to Biblical proportions - remember the pre-season games last year and the ludicrous "Celtic in Crisis" headlines? The question for us as Celtic fans is are we going to take the bait because I guarantee you that the press would LOVE us to sack/force Gorden Strachan out. Again, I am happy to take any bets from other Celtic fans who want to back rangers.
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kojo
got to luv ya
i like a thinker who thinks
I like a thinker who thinks it through
Oh I know you and Martin have more inside knowledge than me, i am only a Tim.
If your combined info leads you to Mowbray
I would like a thinker who thinks it through.
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madeirabhoy,
You answer your own question. "Why should next year scare us?" ..."Because we need 5 or 6 new players".
Exactly. Not exactly tinkering is it? Pretty much half a team has to be brought in to replace dross that Strachan has bought. I have no worries that the money is there, but I have serious reservations about our manager's ability to spend it wisely.
I'm not sure why you assume Rangers need more players than us. From what I saw today they were more than a match for us in every area of the park. Sad but true.
RitchieDonovan- context isn't everything. We were rubbish today, absolute garbage from first whistle to last. What's more, we didn't ever seem intent on attacking a poor Ranger team, or of putting in too much of a shift. What's even more, that perfomance has been characteristic of us this season (and half of last as well).
Personally I don't care what the press think. Strachan has done well to get results, but his style of play, motivational skills, and eye for a player are not beyond criticism, far from it.
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Gordon Strachan did mention that the team needs to be physically stronger. So there will be changes. Little consolation in this post match funk.
Grown men? We can handle this! :-)
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My dear friend,Pob...
I put the question to you.
Why did we have the a long run of Managerial Musical Chairs?
I know the answer.
Do you?
What the Boss is saying, in effect by his famous question,is....
"'andsome is, as 'andsome does!"
or if you prefer.....
"No Tickee..... No Laundry!"
You may disagree in my selection of a replacement in the Celtic Managerial Incumbency... that is your right... I have no exclusivity in that department.
The thrust of my solution to the present Celtic.....
DOLDRUMS...
is...
We need a change at the Top!
Kojo.
Yer pal... who thinks yer swell.
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Kojo - Whit hiv ye done fer me,lately.... Gordon?"
WGS - "100% record with 2 back to back titles, excellent run in Europe this year, unnearthed Boruc, Nakamura, Sno, Naylor for v.little money"
Kojo - "Er..Er... No Much!"
WGS - Erm well it's a better start than Sir Martin despite spending next to nothing when he spent ridiculous sums, or indead more than any other Celtic manager since Stein"
Kojo -"Er...it's stil lno good enough"
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Hear hear madeirabhoy.
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We were rubbish today.
However, if we look back over recent years, this shouldn't cause much surprise - we are almost invariably mediocre once the league is won. I remember well the feeling of expectation that we were heading towards record points/goals totals under MON - only for it all to fall apart once the title was in the bag. And on a more serious note, for it to fall apart before the title was in the bag.
Can we actually remember a season since the turn of the century when we haven't slumped in the last eight weeks?
Add to this the facts that:
2) Rangers were playing at home
3) This was their deciding match for their Champions League place
4) Beating Celtic is the most they can hope for from this season
5) We have at least half an eye on the Cup Final
and as a betting man it would honestly have been a serious surprise to me if we had got a draw today.
Not as much of a surprise, however, as if we were to fail to win the league next season.
We are champs again, and I make us strong odds-on favourites to make it three-out-of-three under the Ginger Snapper...
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ItaliaBhoy,
I respect your contempt for the press and have no problem with criticism of Gordon Strachan (it is opinions that make life interesting and I was anti the manager when he first came in) but where I disagree with you is in relation to context. We are the champions for the last two years, reached the last 16 of the champions league and are in a cup final, yet people appear to want sack the manager (not that I am accusing you of this). That to me seems perverse in the extreme.
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Italiabhoy - you said Rankers were more than a match for the ´payers we had on the park today.
I never saw any of our players on the park today.
Kojo - Tony Mowbray. Oh c'mon, ye've got to be kiddin!!
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I'm not on to defend that display.
Yes it is sore to lose to those guys and doubly sore to consider we rarely, if at all, hurt Eghiogu(?) and Weir.
Whereas chances taken in the last game at Celtic Park would have seen us 4 or 5 up, today was very few chances and a weak mentality let a focussed team run over us.
Even after the first goal I saw Celtic players smiling at Rangers players. I essence not taking the game seriously enough.
A Rangers Celtic game??????????
If truth be told a big batch of GS's signings have not worked - Bad Luck? Poor management? Poor choices? Settling in time?
I do not know.
I've said this before but what digs most of all is we look as if we need surgery all over the park. And that can only mean more settling in etc.
Which doesn't give us the edge MON's team had for those few years - that every team in Scotland, and I mean every single team, was s**t scared of us home and away.
But, as a pragmatist, I'd rather have Rangers and their laptop loyal lapdog coterie taking their eye off Celtic as they move into world domination mode again. I prefer us as underdogs - it suits our mentality, our psyche. They will be back in 'We welcome the chase' mode. And that's when we get to 'chib their ribs'.
I know it's sore after a derby loss. Thank God it still is because the alternative is scary.
I mean do any of you thinkthat in the dressing room of Ibrox after those 90 mins that GS is saying to his players 'Well done, you gave your all, did exactly what i said and surpassed my expectations.'???
I don't think so.
He knows and we know. Let's await the future optimistically.
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A lovely day for a 10 min walk to Ibrox and the hope was that we see ‘the old Celtic’ return. An attacking game played at pace but that hope soon evaporated when it becomes known that Caldwell was playing and that Celtic was playing with only one player up front.
BORUC …….. 5 Started the game with confidence, taking a few crosses with confidence but felt that he could have done better at the first goal.
CALDWELL. 3 He doesn’t want to play at right back, he can’t play at right back but the Manager picked him to play at right back. Should have been subbed earlier.
PRESSLEY…. 4 Was under pressure for most of the game and is lucky that Sebo is Sebo!
McMANUS……..6 MOM Was the only player who did not make a mistake and was the only player who showed any real pride in wearing the Hoops.
NAYLOR….….. 5 Had a tough game up against Novo but he kept trying.
NAKAMURA … 3 Had a great chance to level the score but inexplicably put the ball across the goal instead of into it. Contributed absolutely zilch to the effort.
HARTLEY ….. 3 Where is the wee nyaff who used to play his heart out when playing against us? Has he realised that he has realised his ambition, his pension is now secure and another book is in the offing?
LENNON …….. 5 Was expecting a lively, committed performance but all I saw was an ageing player who has taken the right decision in leaving Celtic.
GRAVESON…….3 Wanted to see him start but then quickly I wanted him to go off. He deluded himself in thinking that he was back playing playground football and ran around accordingly. He has no future at C.P.
McGEADY…. ……3 What a disappointing end to the season he is having. He gave the ball away and allowed himself to be pushed off the ball too easily.
JVOH…. ……….4 Hardly won a ball in the air all day and was totally ineffective. Let’s hope that he is carrying an injury.
SUBS ………….
DOUMBIE….. 5 Why did it take so long for GS to realise that he had made a mistake in playing Caldwell. He was stripped for fully 5 mins before GS put him on. Looked comfortable on the ball.
MILLAR ……….5 Brought much needed spirit to our attack and set up Naka for his great chance.
RIORDAN ……. 3 Don’t think he touched the ball in the 10 mins he was on.
REF ………….6 Could have protected the ball player more and to book Naylor after Hutton clattered him was unbelievable.
THE GAME ……5 There was not much silky football on show and the little there was certainly did not come from Celtic.
COMMENTS ….. 1. As bad a Celtic performance at Ibrox as I’ve seen for a long time. The wrong team was sent out, the wrong tactics were adopted and the general refusal from most of the Celtic players to compete was shocking.
2. GS has to be careful. The more the supporters are asked to splash out the cash to watch this type of performance only increases the number of extremely dissatisfied supporters. Rangers outthought us, outplayed us and outfought us. They deserved the victory.
3. GS is beginning to resemble that latter part of MON’s reign, i.e. cautious, defensive play. Celtic have won the Championship and we should have gone to Ibrox with a ‘nothing to lose’ attitude and a positive approach.
4. The Celtic supporters were great and the worse the team played the more vociferous they became. They especially reacted to Boruc reminding everyone within Ibrox that “We are the Champions” when he picked up the flag at the end.
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My dear friend, MadeiraBhoy.@16.38
I am afraid that you are not fully cognizant of the meaning of Fargo's question.
The accent is on "LATELY!"
Not last month or last year...but... LATELY.
Now my friend, now that you are fully cognizant of the import of that simple question...
"Now, Gordon... what have you done for me LATELY?"
I see no need to explain, any further...
Especially, in the Glare of the Last Tragically Disappointing... Five or Six Celtic, TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE PERFORMANCES!
Kojo.
Yer pal...... who hates tae explain the obvious..
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Kojo,
Aye if yer winning nothing and yer rivals accross the city are picking up titles, awards and cups then you have to look at changing things up as the plan is not working.
However, We have just won our 5th title in 7 years. Under our current Manager we have lifted 2 league titles and a cup - with another a distinct possibility (todays performance aside).
I think it was the performance that has angered so many, we know that those 11 players are capable of playing so much better - we've seen them do it. They played today with no respect for the fans (who were great) That is what needs to change.
I'm not going to disagree with your choice of managerial replacement. I think we could do alot worse. I'd also like to think we could do better.
But given the state of ma fantasy fitba team ... I'm not the person to come to to pick a team or squad :o)
5 or 6 players in /out is half a team, but its only a quarter of a squad. We should be refreshing the squad at this sort of rate IMHO. We dont want to be stuck with the same squad for years and years - I seem to recall our previous manager tried that and we came unstuck.
Hail Hail
Pob
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celticlover
agree with you on your MOM referee 6
Why would the celtic players not avoid injury?
The league is won we have a Cup Final day out.
Who really cares that the huns won.
it meant everything to them, nothing to us. It was an end of season bounce game.
Having said that, caldwell, pressley, hartley, miller, will never do.
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Kojo,
without wanting to infringe on your discussion with MadeiraBhoy but in relation to the use of the word "lately" - two weeks ago Strachan won the league. So does "lately" mean less than two weeks? Even less, one week? One day? If Celtic play a decent fifteen minutes in their next game will you become a fan of Gordon Strachan?
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celticlover.
Pretty much agree with your assessment of our players today, apart from Miller.
He ran around a lot but contributed nothing apart from one dummy. And even then a true striker would have followed the play in and been rewarded with a tap in when Naka's shot was saved.
I'm sorry to say it, but on the basis of his play this season it was a step too far for a player who just isnt a Celtic class striker.
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Kojo -
In fairness, if we had applied the lately test to MON during the last six to eight weeks of every season, the great man would've had his jotters about three or four times...
I'll be more than willing next season to judge Mr Strachan once again on The Bottom Line - success in the competitions we take part in - and the Bottom Line is an area in which he has so far done the business...
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Looking for positives from today is difficult. I can only put forward that its better to happen now .
The emperor has no clothes.
We have the time, we have the finances. We can put this right for next season.
Whatever your views on WGS , we wont change a double winning manager. It’s a non-starter, therefore we have to get behind him 100%.
This close season is of vital importance. We MUST spend the cash we have accumulated over the past two years and it must be on quality .Top up the finances by maximizing on Naka and move him on now. Give the manager the financial clout to go out and bid for the very best.
We have had it too easy too long, but the majority of us haven’t been fooled. The odd European excursions aside, we have been poor. Grinding out narrow victories against SPL opposition has given us the points and the prizes, but the educated Celtic support haven’t been fooled
This isn’t a knee-jerk reaction, the evidence has been there.
Lets back the team and the manager and hope the people that are running our club now gives us the payback we see richly deserve.
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Kojo,
Alas, I fear Paul67 is correct on this one viz. we will look a bit daft parting with a manager whose record looks good on paper.
This is why I am so frustrated: I am watching a car crash in slow motion and can do nothing about it.
We can only part company with him when it inevitably goes pear shaped. By then, however, the money will be spent and there will be one helluva mess for the new man to sort out.
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kojo
one thing i have to ask.
what medication legal or otherwise are you on?
Lately? does that mean the last week, day, or since we last spoke.
You. the bigtime capitalist how would you envision running an organisation on a 5 minute basis.
Obviously you don't run a big firm perhaps 3 or 4 guys a wee dug and a secretary.
Sure, Paul67 has met some of you and is impressed, probably you have a lot of money,one thing I know from reading your guff is you nought about fitba'
that is for sure
what have you done for me lately kojo?
you have given me a few chuckles, go on, go the whole hog give us a good laugh, talk about fitba' with
yer wee quaint scottish accent.
I know what you are full of.
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GM -
A manager's record IS the success he achieves in the competitions.
If his record "looks good on paper" then his record is good.
If reaching the CL knockout phase for the first time in the club's history is your idea of a car crash, you'll no' be gettin the keys to my runaround... ;)
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Is anyone else worried about the CL qualifier in August? I fully expect us to win the league next year but I’m extremely worried about our ability to qualify for the CL group stages.
I’ll be even more worried if we do the same as previous seasons and usher in all our key signings in the last minute with very little or no preseason under their belt. A new team is then thrust into a tie worth circa £10M to the club. Wouldn’t it be better just to pay them over the summer months as to bond?
I really hope that we bring in the required players ASAP and for the first time in Gordon’s reign have a successful and noneventful preseason in the three continents we will no doubt be visiting.
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My dear friend, Richie Donovan..
The definition of "Lately"...
Of late, recently...or.. not LONG since"
Mr. Strachan did in fact win the League, reduce the Pay Bill... all of the things that have been claimed.
The point of this discussion is not centered on what Mr. Strachan HAS accomplished, but what in effect is the reason for the MORE THAN RECENT ...dismal performances, that have plagued this seemingly Benighted Celtic Team.
Our diagnosis...which does not meet with a resounding approval.. judging by the responses of many members of this illustrious blog...
Yourself included...is just that...
A Diagnosis of the Problem under discussion.
First law in the solution of Any Problem....
IDENTIFY THE PROBLEM!!
We are not interested in recounting all of the former successes of Mr. Strachan... that in effect has NO BEARING in our quest in seeking a solution to the PRESENT AND ERSTWHILE CELTIC INEFFECTIVENESS OF PERFORMANCE.
We have offered our solution to this troubling wrinkle that has reared its ugly whatever.
We have Isolated the Cure.
Mr. Strachan is the Mover and Shaker....
His Moves and Shakes....for whatever reason...
Are no longer Successful.
Ergo.
A New Move and Shaker is required.
Simple!
Kojo.
Yer pal...... even if ye, ur no in agreement.
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It's hard to say something that hasn't been said but to all those who feel we're headed in the right direction i would say (through gritted teeth) that a HUGE part of our league success is down to the incompetence of the other teams.
We've scored a pitiful amount of goals this season and, considering the sheer gulf in resources(downsizing or not) between us and most other SPL sides, it's normal to dish out a few drubbings a season. This hasn't happened. How many horrible low scoring games have we struggled through this season? I don't think anybody here expects champagne football every game but to watch us splutter our way through games ALL season has been incredibly depressing.
As for Europe and our much vaunted last 16 place - this was down to our seeding earned in previous seasons and I'd be interested in hearing from anyone who disagrees. A decent performance in Manchester,an SPL like bore-fest against Copenhagen, a win born out of stopping another team playing(Which like everybody else I was more than happy with)those amazing 45 mins against Benfica and another couple of humiliations away would not have been enough for a 3rd seed to qualify with. We were the WORST team in the last 16 by a MILE. This was also the opinion of foreign sports journos not just your scots ones with all the bias that implies.
Someone else said "if it looks like a duck...". Well this is the funny thing - it sounds like one, it walks like one... but it's winning trophies.
We can't sack a League Winning Manager. Pure & simple. But we're not blind - we know what we're seeing and it looks like we're going the wrong way.
One more season Gordon.
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new article posted.
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ON a lighter note...
Mr Dave "Andy Webster's Pimp" Whelan is now short odds-on fer the Big Drop.
"Take yir lumps Mr Whelan
And don't geeze nane o' yir lip
For we are for the Champions
And you're for the Championship"
Olé.
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Uncle P,
You state that our success is due to in large part to the incompetence of the other teams. Wouldn't that always be the case if you wanted to look at it that way? Whether it was winning the league now, under MON, relying on Albert Kidd etc? I respect that opinion if it that's the way you look at life but it often seems that any time we win the league this attitude rears its head. Also, we were the "worst" team in the last 16 of the Champions League? Says who? That's opinion, not fact, personally I think we were better than Lille but equally that's just my opinion and has as much relationship to the 'truth' as any others.
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Using Kojo's (Fargo's?) lately logic, where would Manchester United and Ferguson be?
Luckily, the coterie do not run our football club. Mowbray to replace Strachan? Next, they'll be telling us that Ross Wallace is a World Class left back ;-). (Sorry, Ross. I hope you do well wherever you play.)
Extremely disappointed with today. However, we are still champions and in the cup final. R@ngers remain trophyless for the second season in a row.
Our manager has the opportunity and the funds to put things right for next season. August - Christmas 2007 will be critical for him. The main components of our new squad must be in place for the start of pre-season training.
Chris
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17:03, Gordon_J
Gordon re. Millar.
I agree that Millar will leave but such was the depression settling over me the longer the game went on that I was stirred for a moment when he came on and ran at the Rangers defence. No-one else seemed capable of doing such a thing.
Did the goalie save Naka's shot or did he miss the target?
Hail! Hail!
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so there you go - former successes = winning the league this year - losing in the last 16 of the CL to the team who have just reached the final, most probebly about to win the cup (tho, I wouldnt bet on it ;-))
dont really expect much else from those who live by the quarter, the former champions of kenny miller, the same folk who told us stan was a journeyman and that hartley was just as good
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uncle p - if you are still on-line and without the use of uefa.com and/or google name the last 16
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uncle p - if you are still on-line and without the use of uefa.com and/or google name the last 16
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Whit wis the score?
