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Quite right Paul. Agreed.
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I won't be going
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I wouldn't go to that God-forsaken part of town if they paid me the £33.
martinobhoy
A Bhoy In Leith
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Paul
What happens when a club take an allocation but do not sell them all?
Are they still responsible for the full cost of all remaining tickets?
If not then I would take our allocation and just not sell them, petty I know but its hits them where it hurts.
After all if we don't take our tickets then they will just sell them to their own manky mob.
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What are the chances of the 3 clubs getting together, and agreeing this ?
Pretty slim I guess.
I think it will ultimately come down to the individual. Personally I wouldn't pay £33 for a game at Tynecastle.
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This is a chance for Duffield to make an early impression. Cross the corridor speak with the SPL and get a fair priced ticketing policy agreed for all fans-or is that too much like common-sense?
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RE: Lennon's Interview.
Nothing we didnt already know.
Brief summary was some events on bigotry in Scotland and its now somewhat worse than in N.Ireland.
Sorry for Stuart Dougal incident although Dougal was as much to blame.
Extreme abuse through 7 glorious years from some rangers fans.
Felt aggrieved for 10 mins after subbed in cup final. Understands WGS has to make the call. Regrets armband throwing incident dosent regret giving choice words to the abusive punter after derby game.
In short nothing we didnt already know. Interview was given in the Algarve whilst Lenny sipped ice cold beer and Martin Reilly (agent) has told that any Fee should be made as a donation to Lewis Christopher Martin Fund to raise monies for Yorkhill hospital.
(Big Liam who has liberated a rag for investigative journalistic purposes on behalf of CQN )
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On Hearts , I think you'd find cross community support for a Bhoycott.
Hibs and indeed rangers would join to make a statement although it does leave a conumdrum about the away aupport providing our team with backing at this venue.
For the greater good we need to take a stand.
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Paul
couldn't agree more. The way all away support is treated at Swinecastle is a disgrace.
Their own supporters are starting to drift away after the false dawn and we should continue to drive home our advantage. Romanovs end game will have to be revealed sooner or later and if they continue to haemorrhage cash then it will be the sooner.
I might be tempted to put down a deposit for one of the flats. Just to use for the Festival, obviously.
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Hi Paul
Everything in its rightful place.
Celtic, Hibernian and Rangers.
Love it.
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I hope all Celtic, Rangers and Hibs fans boycott Tynecastle. I for one wont be going
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paul67
i think its strictly business if they can sell them then they are right to hike the prices from their own business point of view.if it sells out it vindicates their decision.
why don't we return the favour and up their prices as well?
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I for one will not miss the vein busting idiots venting their spleens at our support for 90 minutes or the organised, seemingly sanctioned, missile throwing at us as we leave.
However it's great when you win there!
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What price football?
How much is too much?
But what if there was a clincher at Tynecastle?
The thin edge I feel and worry because of it.
Just like estate agents in January - tickling the house prices by a few percent, testing to see what the market will accept.
I know, and I'm sure we all do, people who take remarkable steps to be able to afford their ST. In some ways I see their days as numbered, or at least how they physically support their team.
Any awaydays I've been on are borne of that - a full day away. And its costs.
But everything costs these days.
Trip to the pictures - 2 adults 2 kids - you're lucky to have much change from £80.
Night out? - enter amount here ___
Decided to watch a game/s in the pub with a few mates - £60 easy
Birthday treat to the bear factory for three kids - £85
Educational trip to New Lanark and Sunday Lunch at Wetherspoons - £60
We are well within the realms of haves and have nots.
Football is going to show it up clearer and sharper for its notion that it was/is a working class sport.
Sad.
U.
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Lovejoy, it is at the discretion of the home club to offer refunds.
Glagowdave, it should be very easy to the three clubs to agree on this, and even if they don’t, why should Celtic take these tickets ?
Antsman, of course it is a business decision, but why does that make it any better? We should not retaliate because supporters are the life blood of the game, and to selectively exploit one or other club’s fans to generate income for yourself will ultimately lead to more clubs charging Celtic fans more money.
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Paul
Spot on Shun
time to test the water
last game i was at tynecastle was the 3-2 new years day game
the poison and sectarian singing from the Home fans was probably the worst I have ever seen (apart from the March 07 Rangers game at Celtic Park)
on the way out of the ground we had to walk half a mile or so as there were 3 streets sealed off with riot vans and hearts fans baying for blood.
It was unbelieveable
what a game though!
Championees
lennondinho18 out
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Come on now Paul....I believe you have had a little Econ training in your previous life so why complain about this from a moralistic point of view?
If 5000 people want 2000 tickets then Hearts have the right to find the market value of each ticket. Going to watch a football game is not an obligation but a choice so let the 'consumer' decide!
Again I actually applaud Celtic for resisting such policies on specific matches as i firmly believe prices over £50 would be paid for the top european and rangers games. They are being benevolent to the fans on this one.
#8
p.s. Estadio, I support your postings against Mr Warner 100%, he is in no way a respectable Fifa official.
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Out of interest does anyone know how much we charge the opposition at Celtic Park?
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As per my above comment
the sectarian singing I refer to at the March 07 Celtic V Rangers game was of course from the AWAY end
just in case any of you thought I meant the Home end!!!!!
Phew
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Awe_Naw,
Was Martinobhoy correct in his answer to your trivia question near the bottom of the previous thread?
I've got 4 or 5 mates hanging on the answer (well, we should all be working but you know how it is when you get a decent trivia question...)
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Great No. 8, sure let the consumer decide. In fact, let the consumers organise and decide not to go. I appealed on economic, not moral grounds.
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Hearts' current financial position is worse (relative to their turnover and assets) than Rangers' ever was. The 'free lunch' of being the loss leader for Banco Romanov's Scottish marketing campaign will come with a hefty price tag in the end. 'Flats, flats, glorious flats' is more than just a top-quality wind-up; Hearts' very existence is under severe threat. If I were in charge of trying to control their ever-spiralling debt, I'd have done exactly the same thing.
Given all this, Hearts are entirely within their rights to charge whatever they want for these tickets, with one caveat. If Hearts fans buying one-off tickets for the game are paying the same price, fair enough. If they are not, the SPL should investigate whether its rules should allow a club to apply predatory pricing policies to away fans only, and if necessary amend the rules.
Celtic wants to provide a quality service to its fans. Some people will still want to go to the game, even at £33 and in the face of a widespread boycott by Celtic fans, should one develop. Those people should be free to go, and Celtic should give them the opportunity to do so.
So all in all, I don't see any good case for Celtic to refuse to handle tickets for these games. However, there certainly is a good case for individual Celtic fans to consider whether they want to help bail Hearts out from a situation entirely of their own making, and I for one certainly won't be going to Tynecastle this year.
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Its up to individuals to decide personally I wouldnt go. I would jack up the price for Hearts fans to £40 for CP games and give the money to the Celtic Trust.
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An EC winner from their Capital city?
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Celtic, Rangers and Hibs should stop being hypocrites and get off their high-horses just because it's Hearts / Romanov.
How much does an Old Firm game cost nowadays?
Answers on a postcard, please...
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Martinobhoy,
thanks for that. Correct answer
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Paul the problem with trying to organise Bhoycotts is that fans do not stick to them if it affects their club.
We have tried to do bhoycotts in the past against Aberdeen (The Maestro's debut) twice that season due to the ticket allocation but when we played them in teh cup Celtic asked us to go as Celtic got a cut of the money.
The Celtic supporters association in thse days was the only organised supporters group supported the club and bhoycotted. What happened British Rails footabll specials were overflowing and we still sold out the game.
Fans will not bhoycott and in reality some will use it to show how good a supporter they are.
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Paul
We could all do a morally good thing that day though, and go and support our small local team. All except wg. With the stamps he's got on his card, he'd surely get a special exemption to go and see Albion Rovers.
Actually, price differentials are hardly new. I don't have a problem with the principle, people are always free to make a choice.
It's just that football supporters find it notoriously difficult to exercise that freedom, because of the emotional tug.
Which is why special congratulations are due to those Rangers supporters who, if ticket sales rumours are true, are experiencing a new found sense of freedom this year:)
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last one - dont know the answer
Name a player who has won league titles in three consecutive seasons with three different clubs.
And I want the clubs too. Oh and the years please.
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Below article is from today's Evening Times. Souness is complaining that his name has been dragged into the transfer
bung row. His defence being that he was only personally involved in one transfer while he was at Newcastle. The transfer of Boumsong. Am I missing something here or did I read in the report that the Boumsong transfer is the reason why Souness' name was dragged into the frame in the first place?
GRAEME Souness today hit back at Lord Stevens and Quest investigators over the controversial findings of their bungbuster report.
Former Rangers boss Souness is one of only three managers - Sam Allardyce and Harry Redknapp are the others - named in the file.
But the Scotland legend claims the only transfer he knew the financial details of as Newcastle United boss was of Jean-Alain Boumsong from the Gers.
advertisementHe said: "How dare Quest do this to me. I'm furious they have blackened my reputation without anything to back up their claims.
"Stevens' report states there was absolutely no evidence of improper payments to clubs, officials or players - and yet they throw my name in to their report to generate headlines.
"Why is my photograph in the paper just because some Newcastle deals were named as being under review. It's a despicable smear.
"Stevens questions Chelsea, but there is no mention of Jose Mourinho. Middlesbrough are in there, too, but I don't see Steve McClaren's face staring out from a back page.
"It beggars belief. In my time at Newcastle one man decided what player came to the club and what player left. It wasn't the manager, it was the chairman.
"He controlled how much Newcastle paid for a player, how much salary that player received and how much the agent would be paid.
"The only exception was the Boumsong deal because he came from Rangers and I'm a close friend of the chairman Sir David Murray."
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Special dispensation that is.
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Dessailly or Cantona?
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This may have been done to death before.......
UEFA announced seedings on monday and we're still third but not far from second. There's a lot of teams that could slip up in the 3rd qualifying round and we just need two to do it and we'd be in pot 2 again. So fingers crossed for tough draws next friday for Benfica, Werder Bremen, and Ajax!
1. AC Milan 133.808
2. FC Barcelona 119.374
3. Liverpool FC 112.618 (Qualifying Round 3)
4. FC Internazionale Milano 107.808
5. Arsenal FC 104.618 (Qualifying Round 3)
6. Real Madrid CF 104.374
7. Manchester United 99.618
8. Chelsea FC 99.618
9. Valencia CF 99.374 (Qualifying Round 3)
10. Olympique Lyonnais 95.706
11. FC Porto 89.107
12. Sevilla FC 87.374 (Qualifying Round 3)
13. PSV Eindhoven 81.995
14. AS Roma 78.808
15. SL Benfica 67.107 (Qualifying Round 3)
16. AFC Ajax 65.995 (Qualifying Round 3)
17. Werder Bremen 63.640 (Qualifying Round 3)
18. Celtic FC 62.064
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Transfer Bits
Anyone see the NL vs England Under 21 game yesterday? I saw only the first half and paid particular attention to Ritgers (#13). He did not look a world beater; some good hold up play and layoffs, but fluffed a couple of shots on goal. His control looked inconsistent as well. In fact, he reminded me a lot of big John Hughes from the sixties and seventies--could be brilliant one minute, and fall over the ball the next. Having said all that, he did score the equaliser. An overhead kick, I hear, although I did not see it. Like most possible deals, it depends on what they want for him.
On the Delvecchio thing, it looks to me as though the player/his agent/ Sampdoria are trying to talk the price up; or we were never seriously interested at all. Three million seems a lot for someone who did not play a lot for Samp's first team last season.
I wonder if the same is true in the Donati case? Has the club said that they are in meetings with him/agent?
Rebus
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benny
I though Cantona too but checking Wikipedia he had a gash season between The French championship with Marseille and his first English one with Leeds. Still, 3 out of 4 ain't bad.
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On the player who won 3 titles is it not our own Jarosik?
Won it in Russia or Czech Rep. then moved to Chelsea, qualified for a medal then came to Celtic.
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AW Naw,
After a little research found the following player to have won three championships in a row with different clubs.
Croatian: Ivica Olic
The phenomenal Croatian striker Ivica Olic is a proud owner of a most remarkable achievement - that of having won three league titles with three different clubs in an interval of less than a year and a half, topping the scorers chart on two occasions along the way.
Now 27 years old, Olic celebrated his first title in May of 2002 when he lead NK Zagreb to the Croatian championship, ending the season as the top scorer with 21 goals. After his controversial transfer to Dinamo Zagreb, he repeated the feat in May 2003, winning another league and again finishing as the top scorer, this time with 16 strikes.
Sold to CSKA Moscow August 2003, he lifted his third consecutive league trophy only 17 months after the first. He also found the net seven times in ten games, a strike-rate which would have guaranteed him the third top scorer award had he played the whole season.
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David, (previous thread)
Thanks for the offer, but I'll keep pluggin away at more traditional routes till wallet nears meltdown.
ANNOAN, (previous thread but also relevant to this one)
If anyone is interested in football they should be interested in the 'Andrew Jennings stuff'. That's why I posted the same link as you, on the previous thread and recommended everyone to read 'Foul' by the same, and 'Broken Dreams: Vanity, Greed and the Souring of British Football' by Tom Bower.
I think it is relevant to Celtic fans as well when we consider that there is a push for us to swim in the same murky waters as those who are already gorging themselves on the emotional allegiance of supporters.
Sadly I also have to question the motives of Sepp Blatter in giving us the FIFA fans award. Did he have to because UEFA had already done so.
After all, FIFA obviously perceived the UEFA champions league to be a threat to their football hegemony (and the dosh that goes with it). To counter it Blatter tried foolishly to float the idea of a two-yearly world cup to counter the CL. The influential clubs rose as a many headed hydra to burn him very badly. (btw don't assume that this has gone away)
UEFA who are anything but naive in these matters put Johannson against Blatter. Blatter won!
Platini then beat Johannson - but it was really Blatter who won again; his man is now atop. Blatter wants a weaker CL and Platini is his protégé!
EPL teams are getting taken over left right and inside right by megalomaniacs who spy the filthy lucre (except for Roman Abramovich who spies acceptance by the establishment).
As for Mr Romanov. We all know cos we are not daft, that he is in it for MONEY, MONEY, MONEY and kudos. Now that he has the go-ahead to open his 'bank branch' in competition with cash Converters in Auld Reekie, phase 1 is complete. He'll be standing against (figuratively speaking) Annabel Goldie next and then it is - move over Idi here comes the 'NEXT king of Scotland'.
And then you have G14 (18), that some see us as joining.
Are they in it for the fans with there suggestion of a no promo/releg cartel? Are UEFA with Platini's already absurd suggestion that Cup-winners enter the CL in it for the fans? Are Fifa in it for the fans?
And then we have Sky and their likes throughout the world; Berlusconi, Kirch, Canal, and now Setanta.
"We love football and its history. Here buy another dish! Here you are mr Chairman, Mr President take £1.5 billion. By the way could you arrange for games to kick off on a Saturday morning/ Sunday evening/ Monday night, after all it is what our Customers demand. Here take another £1 million. Roll up, roll up, buy your dish and subscription here!"
Who is in it for the fans?
We talk about lack of atmosphere, lack of singing or early leavers and late arrivals.
We can blame the quality of play or the loss of standing if we want .
But it all comes back to money.
It is now win at all costs, because of the riches on offer or the penalties of losing;
It is the fact that snottery nosed kids like myself as was (and there are still thousands upon thousands - I am just a snottery nosed adult now) have had the seats and the game taken from them and that in the main, grounds cater for the comfortably-off and the more mature
Look around you at a game and see what I mean, and as we get older we don't shout as much.
We aren't as rebellious.
We don't DEMAND to be with our mates; the young snottery nosed ones do. But they aren't the money men so their opinions are relegated to the suggestion box and they are relegated to TVs in pubs and ultimately they, their enthusiasm, and their allegiance are lost to the sport and the club.
It is all about bottom line and not goal line any more;
Where is the magic and where is the enjoyment. Is it all to be found in the 'after tax' line on the wages.
All I know that I go because of what I was brought up to believe we were as a club were we had come from, what we could tell the world about and show them was possible and what we could bring to peoples' lives; that is the team, the fans and the club.
The stories, the history, the myths and the legends may themselves have been no more than propaganda, but it was what I believed and that is what bolted Celtic to my psyche.
'Winning is a bonus' - what a statement was made recently! I thank the contributor for it. 4 words - one club - one sport.
Nothing beats winning; I know that but without a challenge, without a sport, without a peak to be climbed what does the winning mean.
We are letting it slip away.
Perhaps that is inevitable, after all everything decays and perhaps football and Celtic's place in it, may very well have started on that long road to oblivion from the moment it was conceived. And who knows, something new, something more vibrant and fresh may well arise in its place.
But surely we have to hang on in there. Surely the more we can slow it down, the more chance that (selfishly) I can pass on to that big Jungle in the sky content in the knowledge that my children and theirs still have a chance of revelling in the myths and miracles of this club, this sport, and this venture. I want to dream again through them, I want them to dream through me and I want them to see that everything we were founded upon was not some ethereal vanity and nor was it just a game.
Celtic, our club, and football our sport must still be given a chance to inspire, encourage and in some cases provide a refuge for my children and their children and all those kids in Africa who are running around with an assorted variety of Celtic shirts on today.
And where did they all come from? Not from Sky, or Fifa, or Uefa, or any tainted organisation; but because of Celtic, some great people on this site, 5 a side football, a hundred or more CQNrs, and Glasgow the Caring City.
Andrew Jennings and Tom Bower should be prescribed and compulsory reading for anyone with football in their heart and a smile in their soul.
If we ignore their voices then every step we take along the self-appointed and unaccountable establishment's agenda, is another yard travelled away from the most vibrant, intelligent, inclusive sport in the world.
Pele doesn't say a lot that interests me but "beautiful game"?
Ride on the Black Pearl!
Sorry for the rant but I thought the comment 'Andrew Jennings stuff' was a bit dismissive of its import.
Anyway
hail hail
Estadio
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i understand everyones anger at hearts. hibs,rangers where the dearest places to go for us last season and for all other away fans you can include celtic park ,i think you understand hearts if there point is you 3 charge us £30 something so we`ll do the same to you. but still think every club is over priced
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My bad Paul
I read your call for Celtic to reject the ticket allocation (thus denying Celic fans themselves the choice) on a point of principle as a defence of the fans and the potential exploitation they soemtimes face.
If Celtic as a club find Hearts prices so objectionable then they could offer a subsidy themselves to away fans.
Simply put, if we charge Rangers away fans £32 then why can't Hearts charge our fans £33 given that they will be our main challengers next year??
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paul67
it doesn't make it any better but what makes it bad in the first place?
buying direct from celtic is more expensive than shopping around, yet nobody says thats bad?
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ESTADIO,
this is why I am hoping that the Glasers get going with their franchise. The G14 no longer want UEFA dictating how their multi billion pound investments will perform and taking a 25% cut.
These guys are looking at 5 years down the line.
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ESTADIO,
I feel that I should add that Celtic would be more fairly treated under the auspices of these money grabbing unscrupulous millionaires than the money grabbing unscrupulous officials of the SFA and UEFA
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Estadio
I am sometimes at a loss as to what I love more - your words or the passion behind them.
I would truly love you to do a series of pieces for the Celtic View in regards to the true mythos and history of our club, the unique notion that it occupies. The memory that it is - a memory that needs to be nurtured and maintained not left to fend for itself amongst the morass of mamon.
That we could/can get to dream through our children is such a truly beautiful image and one that needs exploring.
And it needs a bigger stage.
Estadio - Il miglior fabbrio.
U.
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Great No 8,imagine you arguing against "market forces" when it comes to football.
Subsidies!!!!
Really.
Never thought I would see the day!!
Paul,
you could be setting a precedence you may not want to let loose!!
Wouldn't want any militancy in the "fan base" when it comes to ticket prices that may be described as "expensive" by the rank and file.Or organised action against such practises,would we now.
If you are talking about "paying for the product" being fair game in the football "industry",then it would be perfectly reasonable for Hearts to charge forty quid a ticket,cos as far as I am concerned,they have been the best games to watch and enjoy(for the most part) for the last two or three seasons.
Surely under "market forces in football"these prices are perfectly reasonable,and this will be proved to be the case,when,as we run out at Tynecastle,the away end will be packed to the rafters!!
It must follow from this line of thinking,that,instead of criticising Hearts for this,we should be congratulating them.
This,I believe,is what is euphemistically called "taking advantage of commercial opportunities"
Which,on these pages,is constantly portrayed as a "good thing"
Surely it is the same for everybody.
Estadio,I am listening,and reading,and have been for longer than I care to remember.
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What do
Pierre
Dean Saunders
Ronaldo
and Laurent Blanc have in common in a footballing sense.
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Big Jock,
your a star ... was the right answer but not the one my quizmaster was looking for. It caused a bit of a stir and I had to virtually promise that I didn´t google for it :-) :-)
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Benny,
all played for four CL winning teams without winning it themselves?
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At 21/06/07 14:45, benny said…
What do
Pierre
Dean Saunders
Ronaldo
and Laurent Blanc have in common in a footballing sense.
Did they all move from one EC winning team to another?
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Well done Awe Naw
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10 players to win Scottish/ English league and FA/SFA cup winners medals.
Top league only.
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Hi Paul,
I've mentioned before that I think football prices are too high but in this case I don't see any difference between Hearts charging me 33 quid for a ticket and Celtic charging me 32.
Esatadio :- I agree with every word you say and only wish I had the skill to put it so clearly, you don't have to be a misty eyed luddite to smell the stench at the heart of football.
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Very true Kano.
If Celtic are to tame this capitalist beast and exploit every nook and cranny for revenue than I think it is a bit trite to moan when it comes back to visit us.
We are happy enough to punt any old celtic tat to people in far flung places around the world so we have to accept the mechanisms even when they move against us.
Pricing a Celtic ticket is however a curious problem. I don't think it is a matter of substitution in that it can't be compared to giving up an afternoon's boozing or 3 visits to the Cinema. It is however true to say that some Celtic fans are willing to pay more to watch a Celtic game.
This isn't to say that they are 'better' fans per se (i remember well the bible stories of the old lady and the philistines and the relative peuniary amounts they donated to the church). But, nonetheless, if we are in a world of revenue maximisation then we have to accept that there is an equilibrium price for a ticket out there somewhere and Hearts are within their rights to find it.
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Rebus67, The lhad Ritgers has been a standout all tournie. His team mate drenthe has been player of the tournie apart from a poor show last nite against the English.
Here's a link to the overhard kit goal - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZOgvYJh1bI
Ritgers would only cost £350K as this is a buy out clause in his contract.
/Bishop B
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Edward
Hearts v Celtic £33
Celtic V Rangers £ 32
beating them both Priceless
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Paul67
Concernin' Ma C.E.O.( He's Dutch ye know!) ?
Da tug o' war, still wrestles to an' fro,
Looks tae me dis young man is a Soiten Winnah!
An' He an' Frozen Watter,
Wur seen da ither day...enjoyin' a cozy Dinnah!
Noo dat kinda get- tae- gither, in da trade,
is considered a Sizzlin' Tip!
But, as ye know... de Fickle Cup,
has tae make it safely, tae da lip!
Da "Giver",( Donare! Oh,Oh!) meanwhile looks tae Take,
Da Contract whit we Offah,
It wiz wan dat He simply Can't Refuse,
Like da Wise Guys gave tae, Jimmy Hoffah!
Noo back tae ma Invitin' Task, dose Gals... later in the day... dey Beckon!
Der's sae muckle o' dem, an' sae puckle o' me,
But, ah'll manage somehow...ah Reckon!
collie.
Tail's Awaggin',Awaggin'
Only Twenty mair tae interview,
a dauntin', dauntin, job!
But da Boss says he wullnae sympathize,
So it's a waste o' Actin'...
Tae Sob!
G'Morn.
Seeya.
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Rebus67, Almost forgot.. the biggest factor in this deal is the fact that Ritgers best mate is Evander Sno so 2 + 2 = feck knows!
/Bishop B
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Great No8,don't take this the wrong way,and I may well have misunderstood your post as much as I think you may have misunderstood the gist of mine.
But you appear to agree with everything I despise and find abhorrent.
The phrases and words in my post in inverted commas,are intended to be treated with,if not disdain,then downright contempt.
I was having a go at the thought process that sees this as a good thing for Celtic supporters.
Not,Celtic PLC,but Celtic supporters.
It is something I find reprehensible about the club at the moment.
Again,apologies if I have misunderstood your agreement.
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SOAL :- I'm glad you think we will beat both Hearts and Celtic :-) I think all boards play on the fact that football fans are a breed apart and that if possible buying a seat for the game will be the last of the luxuries to be dropped in harder times.
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benny,
how are these for starters:
Kenny Dalglish
Brian McClair
Gordon Strachan
Jim Leighton
Gary Steven
Trevor Stevens
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Kano, you have convinced me. Let’s stick all tickets onto eBay and let the market decide.
I was joking, honest. Or was I?
Collie, your C.E.O. makes you work for your chum.
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No probs here Kano, I gathered the gist of your post and it is a view I hear a lot.
Anything that costs more is instinctively a bad thing for supporters - especially considering the fare on offer ain't improving.
But I would say I accept the way of this new financial world rather than agree with it. Like I said, I think Celtic deserve credit for not wringing even more money out of their fans as they hold a very strong monopoly. It ain't like you and me would start supporting someone else if the cost of following the hoops went too high.
My point above was that I think it is a bit rich to advocate that Celtic seek to pursue every viable commercial opportunity across the world and then cry foul when others do the same. If a hearts v celtic game is not worth £33 then the support will vote with it's feet.
If it is worth £33, and a full house could be interpreted as such, then maybe we should be thanking Hearts for the cheap tickets for all those years....
Economics is my profession Kano, it's hard not to see the whole world through such weirdly tinted glasses once you start thinking a certain way.
#8
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p.s. I also think petrol prices across the world should be doubled and I can't wait for road charging to come in to force in Britian.
Value and externalities are what it's all about!!
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Benny,
Chris Sutton,
Trevor Francis,
Richard Gough?
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Paul
You may jest by ticket scalping is now legal in some states of the good old US and it is because the people voted for it.
#8
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Great No 8,The last sentence,I can agree with wholeheartedly.
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paul.
can u shed any light on donati undergoing a medical in london yesterday which he passed and promptly signed on the dotted line.
to be back towards the end of next week for unvieling?????
and are we still persuing a.n.other midfield crusader.
id have thought wed need to offload first, but apparently its not the case...same would go for the other striker.
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Paul,believe it or not,I would accept that ticket situation,far more than the season ticket concept.
Which,I believe,should be limited to a certain percentage of the stadium,if not made illegal altogether.
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awe naw
Thanks for that,ffs.
Just as the Office Junior walked in...
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Benny
Ray Wilkins ?
And that nice bloke, who had nothing to do with the Boumsong transfer
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The long wait
A he or a she ?
sorry!
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AweNaw :- I hope you realise that after trying out your gps link that you are now responsible for a divorce lol
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Kano
That almost sounds like you are coming over to the dark side.....
I understand that Celtic like the revenue certainty of season tickets but I also think this model of 50,000 season books generates more cash.
I don't think we would fill the stadium for every game with the following structure:
St Mirren games = £15
Hibs/Hearts = £25
Rangers/European = £50
And the extra revenue from 4 or 5 high priced games wouldn't cover the losses from 40,000 attendances at St Mirren games and the like.
#8
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Awe naw
I just KNEW I wouldnt get away with not confirming that.
She as it happens but not sure if that was better or worse.
Seeing me spreadeagled across the screen of my laptop to cover up would be distressing for anyone.
Incidentally, that wasn't your partner was it? :¬)
TLWIO
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Money for tickets to be paid direct into Mad Vlads Unio Bankas account.
This man is a megelamaniac!!! If fans boycott Vlad will pull the plug, citing financial constraints.
Then Gorgie apartments it is.
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AweNaw....
Who caught me on camera?
Black and white film!
Those were the days, aaaahhhhh!
Right back to the guitar and some string plucking!
Hail hail
Estadio
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Correct so far
King K
Brian McClair
Gordon Strachan
Gary Steven
Trevor Stevens
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Estadio
You appear to live a rich and fulfilled life.
Musician, Poet, Novelist, Joiner, Herald Cryptologist, and passionate Celtic lover,to name but a few.
Lang may yer lumb reek.
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might have a chance of more tallies since were in that neck of the woods...
corrupt burgers
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Edward
hearts may have started the ball rolling with the bhoycot last season when they cut the allocation of away fans in the roseburn stand.
could hearts sell the rest of the roseburn stand to ther own supporters for these big Games?
yours
Al
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Sorry guys
I put in my mates number and though that it was amazingly accurate !!
Edwardus,
If she was mine I´d forgive her her faux pas
Estadio,
B & W ... ah those were the days
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Benny, Dave McKay
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Collie,
Could it be possible that we are holding off with Delvecchio as we are pursuing the man from Ghana or another target who has accepted the privledge to play for our great club?
If we are pursuing M A C E O Rigters. Does this mean no blue chip striker (ie) Mr Frei?
Or is he replacing young master Riordan who could be on his way to join his Mogga Mowbray at West Brom?
Yer pal
WGS
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Van Bronkhurst
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Greenlion2,
Van Bronckhorst?
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huns and Arsenal
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King Kenny
Jimmy Delaney
Brian Mclair
Dave Mackay
WGS
Gary Steven
Trevor Stevens
Just three to get.
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Sorry WGS its in answer to Bennys question.
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Did Chelski win the cup when the evil genius was there?
I will fling in Chris Sutton then
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Glasgowdave
I also have an acutely honed talent for being skint!
Hail hail
Estadio (spareanychangeguv.csc)
and for missing the 'n' in 'an', which is why the above is deleted and reposted!
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Aw naw.
Brilliant, currently winding its way through cyber space to all in address book, cheers.
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i agree we should refuse the ticket allocation
because of an unreasonable price increase without
consultation. o.k. we will get plenty of celtic fans
and cqn'rs to agree. but the $64,000 question is
what will celtic do?
as with many issues affecting the game in scotland
my guess is celtic will do nothing re the price increase
nada, zero, zilch.
celtic are after all in the same game as
hearts i.e. a business and making revenue from the fans
what would the business implications be for celtic if they
effectively banned their own fans from tynecastle?
the lilly livered (imo) board would never sanction such a move
and therefore - it aint going to happen as long as their are tickets
celtic fans will turn up.
regards
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Paul
I initially agreed with lovejoys... idea that we take the tickets and don't bother selling them.
I will bow to your superior knowledge about the home club having the discretion to refund the away club for unsold tickets but I was under the impression that the away club had a deadline to return unsold tickets (eg 4pm on a friday afternoon). If that were the case then it would leave little time for Hearts to sell to their own supporters.
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WGS
Foist appointment at ten o'clock,
so ah hiv a wee bit time fur some soccer talk.........
Hiv never heard a Peep aboot Mr. Delvee,
Could jist be paper talk,as far as Ah kin see!
"The Giver" is Hot, he wants tae Trot...
He likes da Celts
an'"Why Bloomin' Not?"
Same as above goes fur Ma C.E.O.
If he diznae come... den Ah wid take dat as a blow!
We are takin' it wan day at a time,
we'll try dis wan an' dat wan.....
Der is an' awfy LANG LINE!
Den der is da maitter o' who is really leavin'?
We kin tak a guess,dat Fower wull go!
an' if dey dae, den dat's mair Dough!
So as ah spoke aboot... way back den...
Maist o' oor captures wull be on da cheepen,
An' as ye kin see dat's wey dey ba's been leapin'
Der is Money Still for an Excitin' Big WOW...
So dinna gie up... says dis BOW WOW!
Ye kin forget aboot da Appian Way!
He wants far too much money....
or so dey say.....
an' da same goes fur da Mr. Special "K"
Mr. Frei is aff da Radar ah am told,
His German Team hiv him oan Hold!
As to a chance, fur a Son o' da Sun,
if it wiz up tae me.... He wid be ma number one!
Der are loads o' time afore da windae slams,
An' soon we'll start tae get rid o' oor Hams!
Hivtae really go, informed dat two gals in da front room
Ah'll need tae leave,ah hiv tae Zoom!
collie,
Tail's Awaggin', Tail's Awaggin'
G'bye!!!!!
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Ewing Oil just struck black gold.
Yon JR's spawnier than McLeish but I think he's headin fur a faw.
Uly - how's Sat lookin ?
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Estadio 14.15
Absolutely great post.I am reminded that that the term fan derives from the word fanatic...one who supports through good times and bad in an unbroken chain handed down from father to son.
In the light of our history ,the game becoming the preserve of the better off,would pose particular problems for us.The never ending drive to maximise profits reminds me of that rabid Socialist Harold MacMillan saying of Margaret Thatcher that she is selling off the family silver to pay the wages of the butler...or in our case the players (and down the line the investors),This is ultimately self defeating and the philosophy of the cynic who knows the price of everything but the value of nothing
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Chennai -
thank for the Aquinas-like 'prudence valve' that would see me opt out of having to watch the mothers. I have a Firstweek Lanarkshire weekly bus ticket but no team in the MLs does it for me.
I'd watch Arsenal......probably through gaps in my fingers.
druid -
Happy Solstice thingy.
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FAO What Remains of The Kerrang CSC
from today's Metro :-
Headbanging Is Ruled A Disability
A HEAVY METAL fan is to receive disability allowance because he is addicted to loud music. Roger Tullgren has battled for ten years to have his obsession officially classified as a handicap. Now the part-time dishwasher will pocket a top-up from the state - worth around £65 per week. Mr Tullgren, 42, of Hassleholm, Sweden, said 'I can't listen to other types of music - heavy metal is my life.'
So if you are outwith the ML1, ML2 and ML7 postcodes feel free to fill your boots.
WhitehallGemmell
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Off to my Alma Mater
laters
Sack Duffield
WG
