 Saturday, June 16, 2007
Peter Lawwell finds that fact is stranger than paranoia
When a commenter is so blinded by their partiality that they can hear Celtic chief executive, Peter Lawwell say, “Celtic and Rangers”, as correctly reported by the BBC, and report in their newspapers that he said “Rangers and Celtic”, as both The Herald and The Scotsman reported yesterday, you have to wonder if it is time to call it a day as a journalist. Perhaps a career with a whistle would be more suitable?
You could live 100 years and never see this ‘mistake’, which happened twice in one day, made in reverse.
Paranoid fools the world over would marvel at the material available to them in our country.
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Morning!! Where is everyone??
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My thanks to 'newsletter' for sourcing the material for the above.
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I posted these at the end of the previous thread -
newsletter, it is indeed pathetic, but nothing should realy surprise us where the Scottish media are concerned.
I no longer read, buy or click any Scottish based newspaper, but have noticed the subtle changes in emphasis when people speak about Celtic and Rangers on the radio.
For example, the pundit will normally put Rangers before Celtic whenever we are being discussed alongside Rangers in a pure footballing context.
I should probably get out more, but has anyone noticed that when discussing anything remotley negative like Rangers sectarianism the pundits not only bring us in to the discussion, but invariably then start putting the word Celtic before Rangers during the discussion?
Petty stuff, I know, but as Estadio often shows, language is a very powerful tool.
On the subject of the media, this is worth a read:
KTF ARTICLE
Of course the author has forgotten about the BBC showing Zurawski missing a penalty when his signing was announced.
The author also mentions the STV presenter, Raman Bardwaj. I was at uni with the guy and sat beside him during our politics lectures. I never got the feeling he had leanings toward the dark side and can only assume he's following editorial policy. Hopefully I'll bump in to him one day and can ask him about the way the media normally portray our club.
Raman is obviously Asian, which brings me to another point, why would anyone of Asian origin support Rangers?
I play fives at lunchtime once a week and there's a bunch of Asian guys who play at the same time. To a man, they are decked out in Rangers kit and one of them has actually taken to calling himself Billy.
I often think to myself, do they really know what that institution stands for?
Indeed, I often find myself on the verge of asking them that very question until I am engulfed by an ironic grin as I imagine them on the terraces of Ibrox singing the Billy Boys and screaming at Neil Lennon to f*#%ck off back to Ireland.
It's a funny old world.
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Paul -
As far as I am concerned, the only order that counts is at the end of the League season when the order is -
1st - Celtic
Also-rans - rankers amongst others
Hail! Hail!
Curly
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Just posted on the previous thread....so copied my meanderings onto this brand spanking new one !!
GM good post....
I do believe without any doubt that there is a real slant in media reporting, you only ever had to watch a BBC coverage of a game where Celtic could lose out and the pundits choice was of little surprise willing us to lose....how often did we see G Smith's coupon look like he'd just messed himself when we won live BBC mathces!!
STV are a shambles so I don't think you could even credit them with a sustained agenda as they have trouble putting out a creditable show at any time. Sad really that STV can't even muster up a national sports weekly show that does not make you cringe...bring back Arthur Montford !!! (or was he a current bun..I'm too youngish\less older to really know!)
SKY when they were showing live SPL were in my opinion at least as impartial as we're likley to get....If being a tosser was an Olympic sport Jim White would be a champion.....a sad excuse for a sports reporter in my view...and always has been!
Like a lot of Cetic fans I know, I simply do not buy any newspapers these days, as I'm sick and fed up with the garbage they put out regularly......especially where Lennon was concerned..he was no angel, but then again i don't recall him stealing sweeties from kids or committing murder yet he got more negative publicity than some hard nosed criminals!!
Paul67 in a post over the last day or so, you were quite rightly advocating the right to feel damn good about being a celtic fan at present and letting everyone know it, with the healthy club condition, SPL Champions, SC holders....I personally have felt damn proud to be a Celtic fan all through out my life but it is very pleasing to know just how worried some Gers fans are in the present time. Ha !! and there they were giving it large over Kevin Thomson signing...Wattie must wondering why he's put himself back into teh frying pan...but then again maybe he honestly believes he can win another SPL. Fool :-)
You mentioned also about a new domain name and the letter G
The G interested me....any more offerrings around that? G string? BeeGees? Giruy to all those anticeltic media pundits?
OR could G be related to Gudjohnsen perhaps? The strikers name came up on the blog some time ago....but so many names...so many rumours so many eejits in the media spreading manure!!
Have we had any discussions with tha Barca striker that might be of interest??
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Paul67 - It comes as no suprise unfortunately these so called journalists change the words around to please others!
Think of what the rest of the Media has to offer us, we had
THAT programme the other night, which was meant to tell us more about the Orange Lodge give us a better understanding of its charitable work and its place in our society today, instead it just reaffirmed their biggoted small minds. We had their Grand Master mocking what goes on in a catholic church as "some sort of Hocus Pocus" and another one of the "brethern" then likened it to cannibalism! Not to mention all facists are catholics!
At first I was enraged can you imagine the outcry if they had belittled any other major religion! It would not be tolerated by that religion or the media and quite rightly so! The journalist could have taken the novel approach and pointed this out the "ill-educated" and tried to educate them instead of filming the lodge of the year shouting We are the people!
We have had journalists telling us 100% Scott Brown was going to Rangers. Paul le Guen would lead them triumphantly to the SPL!
I could go on and on, but to those who say we should not gloat at our rivals from across the city, I too remember the 90's. I read the Murray Spin doctors who try to detract from what we have achieved and what they have not! What they would like us to believe rather than publish the facts!
And I will GLOAT and GLOAT and keep on GLOATING! This is our time and no matter what drivel is printed in the press or spouted on the airwaves this is our "G.O.D"
rant over!
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Jimtim at 1924 last night...
Jim mate, like you, I don't indulge in triumphalism either, (Do unto others etc...) but to be fair, I'm sure Paul is just participating in a wee bit of cheeky banter.
We can't have the likes of you leaving this blog to the mercy of the schizophrenic eejit Banjo/Collie/Kojo/SFA/Fargo/Addis, (go on Satan, deny your existence) etc whose only aim in life is to try to mess with other people's heads. Quite why some posters even entertain them is beyond me.
It's honestly easy to just scroll on by whenever you see any of their names. In fact, sometimes you welcome it, when you're trying to catch up, because you know you can whizz past a big stretch of nonsense and you're truly not missing anything.
As far as I am concerned, if you have to revert to nonsense prose to get your point across, then you don't have a worthwhile point at all.
I can't respond to any more posts for a while 'cos I'm just off out to a gig and I won't be back for a coupla days, hope to read from you soon Jim...
Mike - whoseesbeyondtheguff!
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Sitting waiting in the barbers today I picked up the newspapers.
How sad is The Sun and its reporter Ian King?
The back page story of his had how much money (circa £100,000 ) that Rangers had made out of the TV rights from Japan because of Naka.
The story about the two Italian players was on the inside and even the small amount he had to say about them going to Celtic was in negative terms.
As a footnote of about 22 words the Gudjohnson possible transfer was it would appear reluctantly inserted.
Good God if Rangers were after two Italians who had played for their country and after a Barcelona forward there would be a full colour supplement.
Just how sad are this lot in the media is it because they know what is coming and they can’t take it. I sure hope so
(PS I have never bought The Sun since Hillsbourgh )
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Paul,
If you need any evidence of the Hidden Persuaders at work, just take last night's BBC Scotland take on the Lord Steven's report. Boumsong was pictured with his Newcastle shirt,standing beside someone from there. No sign of Sounness. Willie MacKay, agent involved, is pictured at Celtic Park....
It's an Augean Stables' effort that is needed and I can't ever see it happening, until there's only Cafflik schools...
By the way, Jim the Tim, don't disappear. Yours is the Voice of Sanity.
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Celticbhoy
It's been a few years since I've needed to go to a barbers...alas I'm more self service these days with a pair of clippers.......but it was about the only place I'd ever have picked up a copy of the Sun.
I can't even bring myself to take a free copy of the newspaper they hand out on Princes Street every evening...if I'm not mistaken it's a freebie from Daily Record or same media group and I'll never again lift that rag unless I run out of Andrex...and it was the last option!
Just how £100,000 could prove big news for anyone is beyond me....the laptop loyal must be scratching around for scraps to avoid any positive headlines for SPL Champions : Celtic FC.
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minx1888,
I thought the Orange Order programme was interesting. Just because an organisation is odious does not mean its view should not be heard. We live in a democracy after all, and people are free to make up their own minds about the sincerity and attachment to Christian values that those in the OO have.
Re: selection of footage for potential signing targets. In STV's defence I would say that it is not simply a question of wandering into a vault with thousands of tapes, some of which will be marked "Delvecchio & Donati". The chances are STV will have quickly requested footage from whomever holds the UK rights for Italian football (TransWorldSport?), and will have simply taken what they were given.
I don't imagine there was a considered editorial policy to say "right, let's maje the Tims' latest target look like numpty", simply because they don't have the time and resources to do this.
Most Protestants I know are embarrassed by it.
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Apologies, don't know what happened to that last post. The last line refers to the OO, not STV.
Although...
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PjDali
Thanks for the reply.
The real sad thing for the Sun and Ian King was that the other papers all had positive stories with comments from Gattuasso and Amorouso saying how good it would be for us to get these guys and wishing that they were going to Rangers so it makes the Sun's report all the sadder.
I have said here many times that when it comes to the press Celtic are playing a game of Russian roulette with 5 bullets in the chamber.
Always remember this article by Andrew Smith in the Scotland on Sunday:
`At Stramash, we have it on good authority that he recently told a former associate – wouldn’t like to say who, but it was a Frenchman with the initials PLG – that he has “80% of the Scottish press in [his] pocket”. To whom could Mr Murray, nay Sir David, be referring?’
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PjDali, keep telling it.
Minx1888, keep shouting it. The G.O.D. has a lot of time left yet. Did I tell you I bought a new domain name this week?
Parkheadcumsalford, I noticed that a shot from Celtic Park was used when presenting the Lord Stevens enquiry on BBC Scotland. Poor judgement.
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Hi Paul & all
Although you mention "correctly reported by the BBC" I think most will agree that the BBC coverage of Celtic affairs is just as slanted as the rest of the media.
Typical of this was earlier this week when announcing Celtic tying-up Teddy Bjarnason on a 3-year deal.
A brief summary of his recent invovement in the Iceland international team:
"He came on as a substitute in the embarrassing 1-1 draw with Liechtenstein and he started the 5-0 thrashing at the hands of Sweden."
Meanwhile, they "balance" this with a glowing report of new Rankers signing Alan Gow "looking forward to facing Ajax and Chelsea in pre-season ... can't wait to play in Europe ...hopefully I can be involved with Scotland etc etc"
A I say, (un)fairly typical...
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Everyone take a deep breath and relax.
There are some journos who are huns, some who are Celtic supporters, some who let their prejudices show, and some who don't.
This screaming hysteria, dare I say it, is almost camp.
There is plenty to get annoyed about media coverage - the relentless rightwing coverage of events, the implicit racism, the sheer unrelenting reactionary agenda.
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an integral part of being celtic is the lack of balance from the press.....we know the treatment isn't evenhanded, when it comes to the west of scotland based media.....but don't we just love listening to them hurting, and laugh at their ever more desperate attempts to talk up their favourites....
...thanks to the new media, and in no small part thanks to pauls sterling efforts, the celtic support are starting to be amused by the old media rather than annoyed by them....when you are laughing at the opposition it symbolises a new found confidence, and also that murrays poodles have lost the battle.....
...now i don't know how the tabloids are reporting the stevens enquiry, but as i'm back in scotland for a few weeks, i went down to buy the times and the scotsman this morning....the front page of the times has a headline of "Rangers - Newcastle transfer is suspect" .....the Scotsman has almost a full page (2) on Souness' role in the scandal.....it would be interesting to know whether the Record and the Sun saw fit to give it any coverage.....
....Oh and apparantly the inland revenue are very interested in the Boumsong transfer.....
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It seems those at Celtic FC don't subscribe to dropping the OF tag.
Yesterday PL used it, last week GS.
They obviously don't read cqn.
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Hanif Uno Dahistri
You said `Everyone take a deep breath and relax...'
Could you explain:`This screaming hysteria, dare I say it, is almost camp.'
As for `There is plenty to get annoyed about media coverage - the relentless rightwing coverage of events, the implicit racism, the sheer unrelenting reactionary agenda.' We are well aware of what goes on in the media in a general sense but as this is a football site and a celtic related one are we not allowed to express/point out issues relating to our club in the media.
What exactly would you like us to discuss?
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Hi Paul,
I've never accused you of it before but perhaps just the teeniest tough of paranoia there, like you I have no time for the vast majority of the Scottish press, I think especially in sport they are among the worst that I have read having neither knowledge nor writing skill. I have found that whether you say Rangers and Celtic (I always do even when playing at Celtic Park it's a Rangers/Celtic game to me) Those who lean towards Celtic say Celtic and Rangers (there were a few posts about this some months back) My own opinion is that this was an unconscious decision from the writers and not meant as a matter of bias. (I limit this to the very specific circumstances you cover) Before I'm attacked I agree that a bias does exist in the Scottish press I just don't think this is an example. Rangers and Celtic, Celtic and Rangers? A + B = B + A
GG @22.08 :- I think I've read that report before or another like it, in fairness though it should be pointed out that the Glasgow Observer was up there with other papers such as The Celtic View, The Rangers News and The Orange Torch when it comes to impartiality :-)
JimBatt1888 :- Dont fall into despair it's possible to escape from Kilwinning (I did) then all you need to do is overcome your addiction to the east end of Glasgow and you will be a happier man ;-)
E.U cliquemember
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Edward
if a journalist is going to 'quote' anyone then that is exactly what they should do.
Lazy journalism for sure but you're probably right, an unconscious decision to write it so.
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Sixtaeseven, I like the BBC and trust it before any other sources. They are a broad church, and include all types of view, but I think they do a good job.
Edward, I agree. This was almost certainly an ‘innocent’ mistake, not a deliberate provocation. It is one thing for you and me to use these words in the way it suits us, but we have gotten to the stage that these newspapers cannot even report a comment from our chief executive without their allegiances getting in the way.
This being the case, what should be expect of their subjective reporting?
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there is no such thing as collective paranoia
lawell said celtic and rangers it was reported as
rangers and celtic as it nearly always is by default
its not paranoia - just fact
the papers like the herald and the scotsman are still
in the dark ages and have not yet become liberated
hail hail
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The use of the phrase, `Rangers and Celtic` is widespread. At least the radio pundits are usually consistent. Is this word order a trait, imbued in a new born or do we regularly vary it?
That much maligned wee fella Hugh Keevins gets the order right in terms of our alphabet and excellence on the field. Bravo fratello! :-)
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Edward
As I post earlier : Always remember this article by Andrew Smith in the Scotland on Sunday:
`At Stramash, we have it on good authority that he recently told a former associate – wouldn’t like to say who, but it was a Frenchman with the initials PLG – that he has “80% of the Scottish press in [his] pocket”. To whom could Mr Murray, nay Sir David, be referring?
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Barcelona star Eidur Gudjohnsen is being tracked by Celtic and a number of English clubs - according to the player himself.
While Gudjohnsen has been playing well for Barcelona, he has spent a lot of time on the bench and is thought to be growing frustrated. There is still a game to be played in La Liga, with Barcelona, Real Madrid and Sevilla all fighting for the title.
If the former Chelsea attacker would not come cheap, and is has been rumoured that Manchester United could make an offer worth around £8million. However, his quotes in the Daily Mail suggest he is at least considering a move to Celtic.
He said: "I joined Barcelona to be part of the club's triumphs but it is not easy for me when you look at the club's forward line and see all the big names there. Each minute has been a special test for me but to sit on the bench is not the most desirable experience for a player.
"I don't think I have failed in Spain but perhaps I have not totally won the confidence of the coach. If I leave then my ideal idea would be to return to British football.
"If Barcelona decide to place me in the market then I need to study all the details. But a perfect choice for me will be a club that plays in the Champions League. Obviously Manchester United fit that category.
"I know there has been some contact with English clubs and with Celtic but the answer to this question does not rely just on me."
It's interesting to note that Gudjohnsen mentions British football, and not English football, while of all the clubs linked with a move, only Celtic and Manchester United offer Champions League football next season.
And if Gudjohnsen is concerned about spending more time warming the bench than scoring goals, then Celtic seems to be the ideal destination for him.
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Antsman,
Following from the comments above, the BBC page ends the story at the
"If Barcelona decide to place me in the market then I need to study all the details. But a perfect choice for me will be a club that plays in the Champions League. Obviously Manchester United fit that category." paragraph, therefore omitting the Celtic element completely.
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Paul67,
I had a wee chuckle there when I visited your new domain name.
I like your cockiness - can we have the league tables for the past 7 years as a page somewhere?
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leftwinger
funny that, sky sports reports him as wanting english return, yet still quotes the celtic part!
are we not in the CL!
Tho we are liked with likes of appiah, gud'en rangers are battling for beasley and signing likes of gow!
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Nae Bread Nae Brains, excellent idea. What more would there be to say?
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When light passes through a prism, it separates into the colours that make it up. White light changes to a swathe of colours. This rainbow is called a spectrum. You can make spectra (the plural of spectrum) in many ways: with a prism, with drops of water (as in a real rainbow), or with gratings (like in the glasses you can get). Scientists build special instruments to separate light, usually with gratings. These instruments are called spectrographs.
If you were to pass the Scottish sports writers through a rectum a similar separation process occurs where the hidden elements become more visible.
When light is separated into a spectrum it is defined by three dimensions....
Intensity, i.e. the perception of brightness.
Wavelength, i.e. how it is percieved by humans.
Polarization, i.e. the direction of oscillation.
These are the basics for the study of optics.
Being a close scrutineer of optics and in particular the demise of the quarter gill, I am intrigued by the lack of light or transparency emanating from the Scottish media.
Having them passed through a rectum enables us to look closer at the three standard dimensions...
Intensity, i.e. the perception of brightness.
The most illuminating thing about this study is the lack of brightness, being unable to quote directly without distortion.
Wavelength, i.e. how it is percieved by humans.
Perception is key. If they are perceived to be lacking in brightness, then it follows that a dearth of quality is in sharp focus.
Polarization, i.e. the direction of oscillation.
Now given that I have proved beyond reasonable doubt that the sports writers of Scotland are lacking in brightness and have a distinct lack of quality, surely this proves that they are oscillating at a high rate of knots towards Govan and eternal darkness.
You can't argue with facts.
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Paul67
what new domain name
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Gudjohnsen would be a great signing.
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i can't see eidur, i think with that kinda player we are always the last option.
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Must admit it would surely be a real hefty fee and wage bill to bring Gudjhonsen. On the face of it it seems unlikely, maybe the club will really surprise us....Etims Rumour Mill and a few others have always hinmted that a big name would surpise all and sign for us....
Last years big name was obviously Jan Vennegoor of Hesselink in more ways than one !! :-)
Tis a grand ol team to play for after all.........
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Afternoon all,
thanks for the washing tips Paul, have forwarded to Ms.ProphetOfDoomBhoy, she's over the moon!
Hail! Hail!
SC
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Still rather have Makaay at about a third of the price.
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italiabhoy - I agree we should see more balanced programmes, and I watched as I honestly thought we would see a different side to them away from the marches alas no. We could blame the journalist for that as well! Its not about my religion or your religion its about balanced and informative reporting which alas in this country we don't seem to get!
Paul67 - loving the fact you have bought your new domain name :)
Hail Hail
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monteblanco - quality! Shine on you crazy diamond
"Ye cannae change the laws of physics, Captain."
TTTT
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Paul,
I’m glad you got round to this one.
Some may say you are being pedantic at least and paranoid in the extreme. I say neither.
I don’t live in Scotland so I am spared the temptation to actually buy those rags or tune in to their, ‘impartial and balanced coverage’. I do however, read, on here and other Celtic sites, what those sad excuses for a human existence are actually professing.
To my mind they are not just morally corrupt, they are in fact criminally culpable.
I, for one, don’t think it will be to long before we see Celtic v Them in a square go in some court of Europe.
I hope nobody could accuse me of being pedantic or paranoid and to the most part, I put their rantings down to ignorance, bigotry and envy. However, there comes a time when enough really is enough.
I’ve said it on here before as well as in other forums………..Celtic is GLOBAL..
They should care not a jot what drivel the Scottish scribes put down in print.
Celtic is bigger than The Daily Record.
They should however, pull every last one of those so called journalists, in to Celtic Park and read the Literal RIOT ACT.
Report it as it is told. Report it accurately and without devious spin.
And if not?
Then Celtic should remove all their privileges and make them queue up as paying customers amongst the away support.
Alienate them and through, legitimate and fair media outlets, state the reasons why these mischief makers are no longer welcome.
As I said, enough is enough. No more free lunches for these low lives.
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Paul67 I should have said what a great sight your new domain name is!
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At 13:59, TommyTwistsTommyTurns said…
"Ye cannae change the laws of physics, Captain."
Brillant TTTT...lol
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Transfer incomings possibly complete within 2 weeks,(Appiah & Makaay will do me), going on pre-tours with next seasons team 99% in place and with the sell on of those 'surplus to requirements' maybe bringing in 6million plus(without selling Artur...
..meaning enough to finance any unexpected class bargains appear before the window gently closes.
Ah tell you, it's frighteningly good being a Tim these days.
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Edward
I agree with Paul on this, as my blog name, no doubt, suggests.
The unconscious prejudice that took (takes?) place in the police was no less real and disturbing for being below the surface, for being an automatic reaction on the part of large numbers of people carrying out the job, as uncovered by the Stephen Lawrence Inquiry.
Just because it's a knee-jerk reaction for these writers to change what Peter L said doesn't make it excusable. They have imposed a subtle but very significant change to what the man was saying.
The Celtic CEO must put Celtic first. For his words to appear in quote marks putting your team before ours makes it look at one level as though he accepts deep down that you are the people.
An English colleague once tried to correct me when I mentioned the two teams' names in our preferred order. He argued that it was like saying 'Spencer & Marks'. He was, of course, talking out of his bahookie.
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Robyn latest on Celticdelia
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Duffield, Boumsong & The SPL Fixtures Fiasco
Nothing will be done about any of this.
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Paul,
maybe ive missed it but whats the new domain name?
Ive googled G.O.D. , domination and all points in between and to say I'm getting opposite ends of the Net would be an understatement!
On signings I'd like to see Gudjohnsen ( although hes looked a shadow of himself recently) but I doubt he'll come.
Personally, I don't read as much into the press stuff as others do but ,as I've said before, I can't stand the phrase "The Old Firm".
Historically,of course, it was invented by others to denote the perceived , and possibly real, "partnership" or cooperation of Celtic and Rangers ( or was it Rangers and Celtic :¬)) to the detriment of the rest of Scottish football.
We dont need and never should rely on any help from RFC to make our way in the world -- thats unacceptable.
Co-operation in charity events, or anti bigotry / racist drives on the right terms is obviously fine but no official or employee of the club should refer to the "OF" -- that should be official club policy IMHO
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Kitalba, agree on many of you points, but banning journo’s is not the way. The only way to tackle the media is for Celtic fans to vote with their feet. As long as Celtic fans ‘buy’ their stories, nothing will change.
Minx, there is plenty of mileage in this one yet.
The long wait is over, you are on the right track.
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Paul your piece allied to the KTF article contains the glue that bonds us Tims together.
Paranoid,Fundamentalist,you name it av had it attached to me,i think its worth the occassional ridicule to stand up and point out a wrong or a slight.
Labels coming from the biased dont matter a jot.
Some other examples of bias
STV sport covering a conference at Hampden and pointing out that Hampden is more known for its football(Celtic had just gubbed Kiilie 3-0 mind the drag round by Henk on Marshal)decide to show a clip of a Killie player making a blootering clearance up the park.
Joos Valgaraen just signed BBC - Joos scoring an OG.
BBC talking about Dundee fc show Rangers scoring against them.
Celtic v Motherwell game NOT televised yet the Monday papers carry story that Bobo is set for trial by video evidence (laughable exchange with Jim Hamilton,Bobo has shooed a fly away with more gusto) Collusion by Setanta tv editor and hun hacks ?
Whenever a piece involving the crests of Celtic and rangers is shown, tv or newspaper, invariably theirs is covering ours.Petty but thats how deep it goes.
To those who say get a life, i say stand up and be counted.
As for those who advocate not gloating or rubbing it in, do you get up during the night and see how much sleep you have lost.
Rivalry is all about enjoying victory at the expense of the enemy.Hiv yae got red blood in yir veins or whit ?
Vince knew the score
"Winning is not a sometime thing; it's an all the time thing. You don't win once in a while; you don't do things right once in a while; you do them right all the time. Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing.
"There is no room for second place. There is only one place in my game, and that's first place. I have finished second twice in my time at Green Bay, and I don't ever want to finish second again. There is a second place bowl game, but it is a game for losers played by losers. It is and always has been an American zeal to be first in anything we do, and to win, and to win, and to win.
"Every time a football player goes to play his trade he's got to play from the ground up - from the soles of his feet right up to his head. Every inch of him has to play. Some guys play with their heads. That's O.K. You've got to be smart to be number one in any business. But more importantly, you've got to play with your heart, with every fiber of your body. If you're lucky enough to find a guy with a lot of head and a lot of heart, he's never going to come off the field second.
"Running a football team is no different than running any other kind of organization - an army, a political party or a business. The principles are the same. The object is to win - to beat the other guy. Maybe that sounds hard or cruel. I don't think it is.
"It is a reality of life that men are competitive and the most competitive games draw the most competitive men. That's why they are there - to compete. To know the rules and objectives when they get in the game. The object is to win fairly, squarely, by the rules - but to win.
"And in truth, I've never known a man worth his salt who in the long run, deep down in his heart, didn't appreciate the grind, the discipline. There is something in good men that really yearns for discipline and the harsh reality of head to head combat.
"I don't say these things because I believe in the 'brute' nature of man or that men must be brutalized to be combative. I believe in God, and I believe in human decency. But I firmly believe that any man's finest hour - his greatest fulfillment to all he holds dear - is that moment when he has to work his heart out in a good cause and he's exhausted on the field of battle - victorious."
--Vince Lombardi
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This seems appropriate.
Us & THEM
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Celtic First :- Thanks for the reply, thanks also to Paul and others who replied to my post. You all brought up fair points where the bias goes deeper than the order of naming teams and I agree that knee-jerk reaction and bias is responsible for many of the ills and injustices in this world both on a street level and in places like courts. I didn't for a moment seek to minimise this in any way and perhaps was at fault for not following through the implications of the bias.
My point and post earlier were more aimed at the specific rather than the general, more a light hearted dig at Paul, something I'm prone to do but which doesn't always come off, you would think I'd learn by now lol.
P.S Paul, I still say you are paranoid, "everybody knows" that all Celtic minded folk are paranoid lol. Keep up the good work and I'll keep up trying and mostly failing to find holes in your posts :-)
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vince lombardi...now there was a coach....a cross between big jock and shanks...
my favourite lombardi quote...
"If you aren't fired with enthusiasm, you'll be fired with enthusiasm."
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Congrats, Rod and Penny. A true supporter gets married in the close season.
Just because someone refuses to celebrate next season's title win until it has actually been won, does not make them a less jubilant supporter than those who are anticipating a walkover.
It was always the preserve of the unwashed to display the kind of arrogance that some have displayed on here.
By all means rub in what we have achieved, but let's not spend what we haven't yet earned and cut out the witch hunts on anyone who advocates a bit of decorum. It's not big and it's not clever!!
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Paul
you need to get out more.
WG
slept the night in ML1 last night
very comfortable.
DAKOTA.
cheep cheep
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WhiteDogHunch-
any sign of Yoko ?
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Tom The Tim-
I reserve the right to lord it over Rangers at EVERY opportunity .
Especially as we are The Champions Again.
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Tom
We all know, there's a time and place for arrogance. Jim Baxter nutmegging the English, Bertie sitting on the ball, Jinky going back and beating his man again. And again.
We love it. I do anyway. And it's a way of defeating the opposition, demoralising them. As long as we all remember it's only football.
Now, next season. I am confident we will win the league. It'll be clear by October, although obviously not decided. And I think we should do everything in our power to undermine any emerging self belief there may be at Ibrox. That includes shouting our superiority from the rooftops.
But I don't expect a walkover. At least, not like the last two. It will probably be closer.
If you see that as arrogance, well ok. I don't mind. I like to think it's quite decorous as well, though.
And I agree with you about witchhunts. Against anyone.
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Noel90
thought that.
Howdy Hugh
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Hello Bryan. Happy days, Noel.
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Edward Ursus at 12:17-
"Rangers and Celtic, Celtic and Rangers? A + B = B + A"!!!!!
Since when have Celtic been B to your team's A?
Sorry, but this paranoid Tim will have it the other way round, thank you very much!
A = Celtic
B = also-ran(ger)s
Afternoon Shug, hows Chennai?
Curly
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Paul67 -
Your new website is indeed a mighty fine place.
Curly
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Tom the Tim am with you cut out witch hunts on anyone who advocates a bit of arrogance.
Arrogance
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Terry that gut was the speaker at last years CQN golf day.
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Noel, Terry,
I give up :>)
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On this day in 1963 Valentina Tereshkova became the first woman in space.Her flight in Vostok-6 lasted 3 days and she orbited the Earth 48 times.She later married the cosmonaut Andrian Nikolayev.Their daughter,Elena Andrianovna is the first person to have had astronauts as both parents.
To'N-I always wondered what became of Jorge Cadete`¬)
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chennaiseabird:16.02.
Excellent.
You never let me down.
On the subject of identifying, which hunt is a bona fide Witch-Hunt?
Simple explanation:
It all depends on whose ox in being gored.
Paul had every right to voice his opinion,in the inevitability of a Celtic League Victory, next season... and by the same token, any dissenter has his or her right to disagree.
In this particular clash of opinion, at no time was the dreaded appellation implied, bandied or even mentioned,as being invoked, against the dissenter.
I merely stated, in this particular case,our particular dissenter was suffering from a lack of confidence.
A not unnatural observation, in view of Celtic's preponderance of superiority over our city rivals.
There was no malice intended in my conclusion.
I was stating a fact,as I saw it.
A Public Forum, is a Public Forum.
A truism.
In this type of communicative vehicle,Private Opinions are stated...whether they are considered to be outlandish or not, the fact remains:
There must ALWAYS be room for DIFFERENCE!
No DIFFERENCE, No Forum!
This seemingly, salient point, is oftentimes overlooked, in the rush to judgment, in consideration of whether an opposite opinion is viewed as being unworthy and therefore the writer responsible, should be branded as an interloper.
You,my friend, have offered your stated opinion on the matter under discussion.
I happen to agree with it.
However,it would be a dull,dull, environment in which to correspond,if the rest of the contributers to this Forum, harbored the exact same sentiments.
In this matter,instead of the Greeks,The French, have a appropriate phrase, that praises the necessary ingredient,which is needed in providing that spark, which provokes a hearty and intellectually satisfying discussion.
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Teddy Bear
Re the Observer article. I googled the paper and the most interesting quotes I came up with were in connection of its support for Socialism in the early 20th century.
However I think the one that would interest you most was one in connection with Ireland's support for Britain in the Great War. The quote reads:
"The Glasgow Observer, the organ of the Irish Catholics in Scotland..."
'GG
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Unlike some of you I am actually more
suspicious of the BBC than any other outlet. Propaganda disguised as impartiality always has been their motto. They always operate to an agenda and it sure isnt impartiality whether its sport or current affairs.
On a side note did anyone notice how the assault of G. Galloway was reported by a section of the associated press?
Here's the article ,as was mostly covered by most sources:-
MAVERICK MP George Galloway was kicked and shoved by a jeering sectarian mob yesterday.
He was threatened and taunted by six men and almost pushed on to a luggage carousel as he arrived at Glasgow Airport.
Respect MP Galloway said: "It was a terrifying experience and quite disgraceful for these people to behave like this. There was one guy I would describe as a ringleader who said, 'I don't like your radio talk, I don't like your newspaper talk, I have a religious duty to knock you down.' "
Former Celebrity Big Brother star Galloway was called a "Fenian b******" and believes he was targeted for being a known Celtic supporter.
Last night, police were investigating the sickening ordeal and studying CCTV footage.
The MP had arrived from London on a British Midland flight to give a talk at Glasgow's Royal Concert Hall. Though shaken, he went ahead with his one-man show last night.
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The MP hosts a TalkSport radio phone-in and regularly gets involved in heated discussions with both sides of the sectarian divide, particularly over Ireland.
He said: "A group of men on the plane recognised me and the problem started right away.
"They were taunting me and threatening me during the flight and I should probably have arranged for police in Glasgow to be notified in advance.
"They were referring tome as a 'Fenian b******' and 'f****** Fenian scumbag' and other vile names and threatening to attack me when I got to Glasgow.
"They were shouting at me, 'Were you down for the walk?' The rest of the passengers were dumbfounded.
"I gather there was some Orange march in London over the weekend and people from Glasgow had travelled down for it.
"I had a feeling of dread. I hurried off the plane and got to the luggage carousel as quickly as possible and prayed my bag would come first but, of course, it didn't
"The group came up behind me and they were straight in with the sectarian insults and threats.
"I felt one man kick me on one ankle and I was then kicked on the other ankle.
"The next thing I knew, I was bounced in the back by someone's belly and virtually knocked on to the carousel itself."
Galloway tried to make his way past the ringleader but was continually blocked by his stomach.
He said: "I tried to get round him on one side and then the other and he blocked me with his belly.
"By the time I made a complaint to police, a separate complaint had been made by a traffic warden over the conduct of a group of men shouting sectarian slogans outside.
"I'm amazed they would behave like this in an airport, where every angle is covered by CCTV. I gather the police were given the tapes."
Last night, a police spokeswoman said: "We were made aware of allegations arising from an incident at Glasgow Airport. These are being investigated." (END)
Working to their agenda they Reported the alleged sectarian attack then threw in this :
Galloway is set to be the keynote speaker at a summer youth camp run by Irish Republicans.
He is billed as the "main event" at this year's Campa Naisiunta Oige - National Youth Camp - in Ballintoy, County Antrim.
As the discredit and disclaimer.
Shadowy journalism at its best.
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Curly,
What new website of Paul's?
Have i missed something?
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Campa Naisunta Oige,starring GG- Jeez,it sounds like the episode of Father Ted where they all get stuck in the caravan in the pouring rain with Fr Noel Furlong..
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WDH -
glad you live to tell the tail !
I suggested to Ulysses McGhee yesterday that he and I meet for a pint in ML1/2 and he hasn't been seen on these pages since. Perhaps he's out celebrating Bloomsday with the rest of the non-ML2 literati.
Today in ML2 we've had the usual Summer Sectarifest with all manner of orange parades; the ML2 raterati.
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Curly @16.29 :- you asked Since when have Celtic been B to your team's A? The answer is from next season ;-)
GG :- It was definitely an interesting if somewhat biased paper :-)
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STAND UP FOR THE CHAMPIONS!
(nobodies said for a few days so I thought thought that I would - It seems appropropriate for the feeling of todays blog)
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Collie,
Any updates regarding Double Drum, italian bhoys, Sno's mate, Appiah, etc..
Smokescreens or truth in these stories?
WGS who still would prefer Mr Frei rather than Mr Gudjohnsen
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HI,
Not been on for a while.
Sorry if his is a stupid question but it's hard to get meaningful football news updates here. Can someone please summarise the situation in Spain as regards champion possibilities. Also are the games tonight or tomorrow?
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beijingcelt
Spanish round up from SSN
A thrilling conclusion to the Primera Liga title race is likely to ensue on Sunday night, as Real Madrid, Barcelona and Sevilla all remain in contention to be crowned champions of Spain.
Real currently hold a slim advantage over their two rivals and a win against Real Mallorca at the Bernabeu, live on Sky Sports 3, would guarantee David Beckham his first major trophy in Spain on what will be his last appearance before joining LA Galaxy.
However Barcelona, who are trailing Real due to an inferior head-to-head record, and Sevilla, who are two points behind the great enemies, are likely to have a say in what could be one of the greatest league crescendos in history.
Frank Rijkaard's Barca travel to Gimnastic, whilst Sevilla - who must win to have any chance of keeping their Treble hopes alive - host Villarreal at Estadio Ramon Sanchez Pizjuan, and both games can be accessed via the red button.
As the Spanish league places emphasis on head-to-head record rather than goal difference, a number of permutations could occur throughout the 90 minutes across Spain.
Real will beat Barca if they finish level, Sevilla will beat Real if they cannot be separated and, to make things nice and easy, Barca will beat Sevilla. If a three-way split occurs, then Real will win their 30th title as they head the mini-league between the two sides.
The build-up to the highly-anticipated final round of matches has seen the controversial issue of incentive payments dragged into the spotlight, with Barca and Sevilla reportedly ready to pay Mallorca €600,000 (£410,000) if they can orchestrate Real's downfall.
However, once kick-off comes the focus will be squarely on events on the pitch, and Beckham is likely to shake off an ankle problem to start his farewell game, along with Roberto Carlos who will be moving to Turkey.
The game at the Bernabeu could also be a momentous occasion for Ruud van Nistelrooy as, with the Pichichi award for top goalscorer virtually in the bag, another goal would see him break Hugo Sanchez's club record by scoring in eight games in succession, and draw him level with Roma's Francesco Totti in the race for the ESM Golden Boot award.
Meanwhile, Ronaldinho returns from suspension for Barcelona as they aim to shake off the lingering disappointment of conceding a last minute goal to Espanyol that handed the initiative back to Real in the previous round of games.
Sevilla's chances of a first league title since 1946 have been dented by a string of injuries to key players, with Fredi Kanoute, Andres Palop, Alexander Kerzhakov and Jesus Navas all possible absentees.
Aside from the title race there are still a number of outstanding issues to be resolved on the final day of the season, even if Valencia are guaranteed to take the fourth UEFA Champions League place.
Atletico Madrid will be hoping to displace one of Villarreal or Real Zaragoza in the Uefa Cup places, as they play at home to Levante.
In the battle against the drop, Gimnastic have already succumbed to relegation and Real Sociedad are likely to join them as they currently lag three points behind safety.
Celta Vigo, Real Betis and Athletic Bilbao are all vying to avoid slipping into the third relegation place on what should be a dramatic final day in Spain.
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beijingcelt -
if Real Madrid defeat Mallorca they will be champions for the first time since 2003. The matches are tomorrow night. I'll leave the other permutations to the espanophiles.
WG
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I don´t think it is a coincidence Paul. Anti-Celtic journalists make sure the Former is the former and the Latter is the latter.
However they are critics and we should put their views in perspective, you yourself have probably weaned a good few of us away from them providing an interesting and entertaining portrayal of Celtic news.
I consider that a critic should always be held in less regard than a person who actually plays the game, yup even Barry Ferguson.
Well let me think about that.
Unfortunately, criticism is considered fine art by many on our lovely isle and that critcial style is more appallingly biased than ever.
My reality is that all too often Celtic are the latter, Celtic are all so often last when the league table and league and cup records consistently show that Celtic are nearer first. We are always last when it´s us against Kilmarnock, Dumfremline or Hearts. We are even second if it is us against Hibs. It is intolerable. I am not demeaning those clubs. I myself followed St Mirren for many years but I know how the media peddle the big clubs against the small clubs routine when it suits them and it has so many adepts you wouldn't believe it. With football so traditionally tribal with so few pacts between clubs and with blind followings out there by the busload, stoking up hatred against a club is not difficult.
Celtic are a big club, huge, global, the interest the club generates is awesome and now we are the success story and they hate it.
But we should not get complacent. The blue meanies,yourself the exception Eddy U, will be thinking up ways to stymie our national and international prospects. What do you think they get paid to do?
Terry O´Neill said earlier, its not "get a life" , it's "stand up and be counted." Hear hear
Happy closeseason
Just saw Paolo Nuttini New Shoes video, been out a while i know, and was nearly greetin when i saw his Celtic scarf on the bedpost!
Good wee Paisley buddie.
Arthur Montford was an (overly) enthusiastic commentator for all Scottish teams. He used to praise George Connelly no end I remember. And when Celtic beat Sporting Lisbon 5-0 he was ecstatic.
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dontbratt -
SACK THOSE FOOLS NORTON & DUFFIELD
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Thanks WG
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Down With This Sort Of Thing .
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WG
there are a few briefcases involved mind.
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Beijing
Nothing to add to the Sky Sports News preview except to say that all games kick off at 9pm Spanish mainland time and that Primera Liga is a made-up name for the Spanish First Division, made up, I imagine, by some trainee at Sky with a Collins Gem dictionary.
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Can't wait
gretna pre season
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Paolo Nuttini- New Shoes
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