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i reckon wattie is in on it too!!!!
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I'm on holiday tomorrow:-)
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I mean today....:-)
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Hi GM
At 16/07/07 19:19, GM said
"Did they have wee Chico commentating on it or was it someone with a bit of credibility."
GM Chico was playing fives tonight at 6.15pm, Didn't notice any dip in form due to the news unfolding (but I suppose when you get to that age quality doesn't count as much as being asked to play a game).
Freddiebhoy whopassedhisbestlongago
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Let the games begin.
Can't Wait CSC.
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"130 years of unserpassed Bigotary.... Sorry unserpassed Dignity!!!
David Caruso
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Very good, Freddiebhoy.
Can I ask if you play against him on a regular basis?
If so, is there any chance I can get a game next time you play?
Crunching him against the boards would make my year.
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... Where am I? ... I must have been dreaming ... I hallucinated perhaps.
I thought there was something in the news about rangers? and the polis? Luckily the Herald has put me straight:
Curious case of the dog that did not bark in the night
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Paul - slick title to this article - you could get a job on a real paper!
GM (previous thread) - Sarbox sounds like a serious condition. Or ointment for a it! Surely SOX is a more appealing term?!
Also - there are implications for UK firms - but only if they have a listing in the US. Hence the reason the UK banks and others are feverishly attempting to ensure that everything they do comes with the appropriate SOX.
Of course it has no impact on Rangers. Rangers are not quoted - and I do mean that in the nicest possible way!!!
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20th of October!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That's when we play the
(ahem alleged criminals)
What about EVERYONE turning up at ibrox in Police hats,truncheons,
handcuffs (steady Paul).
Oh but will they still exist by then:-)
I'm really lovin it!
Of to ZZZZzzz land now deaming of being Solicitor at the trial.
"Ma Luad hang them High"
I thank you... Good night!
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GM, I was only watching his game whilst warming up for my own weekly workout with guys half my age, I should really retire gracefully but chasing that bag of wind keeps me going!
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Paul, if there's £2.3Million missing from the accounts, have you checked their stockroom in case they have 10 Million odd empty ginger bottles lieing about? :-)
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I'm not a happy chappie!
It is obvious to anyone who knows anything about football that Celtic are striding away from Rangers both on and off the park and just as I'm getting really excited about 15+ in a row, along comes a fiendishly clever Establishment plot to rob of us of our enjoyment and bragging rights!
What's the point in winning all these League titles if THEY are not around to let us gloat? Do you think the DR is going to call us CHAMPIONEEES? No, the headlines will be LUCKY CELTIC or THE POOREST LEAGUE SINCE 1970 or RANGER'S 9 IN A ROW TEAM WOULD HAVE WON AT A CANTER.
I am planning to start a campaign
SAVE OUR GERS. The Daily Record and the Herald have both offered their full backing and the BBC (Scotland) have promised full coverage.
Tee Hee
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Paul, the difference could be explained in part by any residual book value relating to Arteta. Boumsong would have been on the books for next to nothing, so his entire sale would consist of a gain. MA would have had the unamortised portion of his original fee still there, and this would have come off the sale price before being reflected as a gain.
I noticed this statement from murray. If all of these funds did not, in fact get reinvested in the squad, then this would be another porky pie. One that you shouldn't really make in a Chairman's statement in an annual report.
The operating loss includes an amortisation charge of £5.6m
against our player pool, but does not include the gain on player sales of £8.4m. The gain on player sales was due in the main to the sale of
Jean-Alain Boumsong. All of the proceeds of this transfer were however reinvested in the playing squad...
And tomorrow is Weeron's birthday. This is almost as good as the dodgy tie that Mrs Weeron will undoubtedly give me......
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Freddiebhoy,
When you mentioned the bag of wind - I take it that was Chico you were talking about?
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Aw Naw
If you look at Delia's post above, it's clear The Herald is taking an unbelievable stance so far (saying nothing), so I'm not defending them and stopped buying after I discovered CQN.
The point about the PA News feed for websites is that The Herald links into PA's output and pays a fee, like in any customer-outsource service provider relationship. If it was going to have people vet PA's stuff, they might as well do their own online news feeds.
It's cheaper to go with PA. Lots of papers do. You just have to satisfy yourself that they're not going to publish anything that is likely to come back and bite you on the bum. That's why PA is super-cautious about everything. It's only in it for the money.
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Good post paul,one final thought on tonight ,could their very own resident QC be asked to defend them if this ends up in court, or is that just taking it too far.
Who says dreams dont come true.
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Dick Byrne
I was going to reply that it was the round variety but I suppose that doesn't clarify anything ....hmm
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Well in NatKnow(everything:-).
I was trying to give a general respone to someone who came across as a laymen in these matters, but yes, UK companies with ADR's must conform to Sarbox (in my neck of the woods the SOX is the PHLX Semiconductor Sector, so we call it Sarbox).
Doesn't matter really. The Huns are doomed:-)
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Between 6/7/2004 and 14/6/2005
In
Novo Dundee 450,000
Derek Carcarcy Q.P.
Djordjic Man Utd.
Buffel Feynord
Kyriakos Panathan.
Waterreus Man City
Fergeson Blackburn
Murray hibs
Hemdini Marsaille
Total disclosed 9.2 million give or take a bung or two
Out
Craig Moore to M’gladback Free
Boumsong
Alveradze AK Alkmaar
S. Hughes to Leicester
Mikel Arteta Sociadad undisclosed
Total declared 8.1million give or take a bung or two
There were other transfers but nothing of any significance. Courtesy of the Racing Post. Don’t have time to delve deeper got work to do but my sides are aching.
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Did someone say Rangers transfer embargo?
In the grand scheme of things their that skint they'd probably welcome it !
Rangers HA HA
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Isn't it Ironic we play Newcastle in a few weeks?
NewBannerTimeCSC
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JJB Sports announce their latest line in Rangers Casual wear.
New Rangers Casual Jumpsuits
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Well in 'GG, I've just received a photo of the:
RANGERS NEW AWAY STRIP
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Pre match music at Ibrox?
The BLUES
'GG who thinks that this investigation will not lead anywhere.
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Nice way to return from holiday.
Rangers courting scandal, the consequences of which are in our own minds and fertile imaginations rather than in fact.
Like the sectarian scandals they will blow over and be forgotten by all except ourselves, I suspect.
Still it provides a interval of mirth while activity and speculation on the transfer front remain quiet.
'GG sceptic
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GG ,
Even if they do escape , likely outcome , mud sticks.
Especially the financial irregularities mud.
Last week it was the sash my father wore , now its The cash my father stole !
(Big Liam who also returned from Holiday to find rangers , up to their knees in corruption instead of blood !!)
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Just in the door.
Any charges brought yet??
Replay of Saturday's NYvNE on Fox socca channel right now.
Hi Gavil. Were you over in the auld country?
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Not a peep about this in tomorrow's Herald. At least the online version.
Wasn't this the lead news story in Scotland tonight?
tut tut.
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I don’t know if there will be any tangible repercussions from the allegations; as of yet no wrong doings have actually been officially reported.
But if they have been playing games with money and their books then their friends in the SFA will had no choice but to distance themselves completely.
I’m no lawyer but I think I won’t be too far from the truth when I say, I think doctoring the accounts and deceiving shareholders and the public constitutes fraud and is hence a crime. Way above the brief of the SFA and into the realms of criminal courts, punishable in law and HM Prisons.
I might be wrong though you’d be a bugger to rob me of my day dream.
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MV Celtica Log Book entry July 16 2007.
Middle watch 6 bells
The good ship Celtica has swiftly and safely sailed across the pond to spread the word to a huge US audience on network sports TV.
The Hoops shine on ESPN Thursday night.
Pre season port visits are proceeding without too much discontent from shareholders or moaning from mineshafters.
New crew members are being incorporated into procedures with little or no fuss.
Officer Sulu is still on leave so direction and momentum is being provided by our latest eastern recruit.
There are precious few moonbeams for the down market downriver cruise line during this waxing crescent moon.
The Blue Line vessel has been boarded by the coast guard and will be stuck in port for a few days. The purser will have to open the books to the biscuit tin.
'GG returning weary and weather beaten from ML6 visit.
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For every fiver they spend...
...we will launder a tenner.
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Hi Paul,
Am off to Denver in the morning with Mrs C. to see the Hoops on Thursday. Too bad Mr. Posh won't be playing for the All Stars. The Bhoys here would sure have burst his baloon.
speaking of baloons there's a few getting ready for bursting down Ibrox way. They wont be watching The Bill anymore, eh.
hail,hail
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From the Scotsman.
RANGERS have been dragged into the ongoing investigation into corruption in football, with police turning up at the Ibrox club yesterday morning with a search warrant.
Officers visited the ground between 7.30am and 9am. Strathclyde Police confirmed it had assisted the City of London force with the investigation and Rangers said they had co-operated fully.
Police also launched raids on Newcastle United and Portsmouth and two unnamed individuals as part of the same investigation but said the raids were not related to the Lord Stevens inquiry, which has also investigated allegations of corruption in English football.
Notice the differences in tone.
Officers turned up at Ibrox for a visit, while raids were launched on the English sides.
'GG paranoid but seeminly with good reason.
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Random initial reflections on ML6 visit.
Global warming. How come it hasn’t reached the west of Scotland?
Sectarianism and bigotry. Happily it seems to be fading based my limited Orange Walk experiences.
Good looking women. Why do they have to open their mouths and shatter the illusion?
Prices. How can people afford the cost of regularly eating out?
Scottish breakfasts. Hopefully my cardiologist has no idea of the ingredients.
Cars. Have diesels claimed at least 50% of the market?
Pubs. Why do bars still insist on no colours being worn? I didn’t have a black and white shirt.
Yobs. What possesses people to key cars?
Fashion. White shell suits? You need a real sense of humour to be seen outside.
M8. Needs extra lanes over its complete length.
Terrorists. Bring them all on.
Television. Why can’t I get to see Top Gear in the states?
Shopping. Disappointed in lack of 24 hour pharmacy facility. High street shops need longer hours. Why are supermarkets so untidy?
Tourism. Needs better coordination and promotion. Need to extend hours beyond 5PM.
Religious Practice. Disappointed at falling Sunday mass turnout and judging by the mainly empty car park the Presbyterian numbers have also deteriorated.
Glasgow. Makkah.
Edinburgh Airport. Really friendly staff including the security police. Could it have been my Celtic T shirt?
Grangemouth. Perfect place to locate Falkirk’s stadium.
Airdrie & Coatbridge. Ageing without grace.
North Lanarkshire Moss. Cradle of life. Mine at least.
'GG and now to bed.
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Welcome back stateside "GG
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Gavil - you and New Jersey ...perfect together !
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what time/channel is the All Star game?
Got to make sure I have my, cough, sick day arranged.....
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Thanks for the info about the earlier headline in the herald (taken from their live updates). I was at a lost to explain their editorial decision but it now makes perfect sense...
However... Tuesdays herald does cover the story(page 12 apparently) and online, and, as someone earlier predicted...Yes..."Old Firm' club is the terminology used.
Who knows what may unravel from the riddle, wrapped in a mystery, inside the enigma that is their accounts....The big bad wolf is at the transfer window and is a huffin and a puffin....
TheLassieBeattie ESPN 2 Thursday July 19th 9.00pm Eastern Standard Time
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cheers
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Hi Paul67
Are we having a fantasy football league this year and if so could you let us know where to register as British fantasy football is not running this year.
Hail Hail fae Canada
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Morning.
Seems some Ibrox staff had a pretty sleepless night.........
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Delia and Celticfirst. Agree that the Herald stance is unbelievable. They are saying nothing? Will they put anything in the print version, I wonder?
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Good morning
Missed myself last night, didn't I? Yes, I mean missed.
Noel, was this you?
conspiracy
The 5-1 gane in 1966 was kind of like the 6-2 game psychologically, I think. Seems that way now anyway.
I've seen it on one or two Celtic DVD's. I'm pretty sure it's on the "Greatest Celtic Games....Ever"
Crylu
Getting caught posting of Follow Follow? It waqs probably signing in as tinytim that gave it away.
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Shug-
that's a "not guilty" from me........
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Noel
You need a spokesperson but.
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tip
ship
deckchair attendants
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GG,
Although the stnce of The Herald is unbelievable and might lead us to think that this will all be swept under the carpet - it won't.
The big difference is that this investigation is not being led by Strathclyde's Finest - sounds like it is probably the Fraud Squad who are involved. The fact that other teams are implicated in an (alleged) chain of deceit and corruption means that this cannot simply 'go away' because Scotlands establishment want it to.
They are having similar problems with EUFA on the football front. It must have come as a bit of a shock to your average bear to find that the rest of Europe is not run by a bunch of deaf masons.
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At 17/07/07 06:39, chennaiseabird said…
Crylu
Getting caught posting of Follow Follow? It waqs probably signing in as tinytim that gave it away.
Shug -
You must be getting me mixed up with some other over-the-moon-Tim. I don't have the guts to do a thing like that! Or enough bleach to wash myself and my mouse in afterwards!
Lurcy
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Noel90,
I woke up thinking of THAT game. Thanks for that. I think those of us who were there knew that our greatest ever GOD had arrived.
I see the BBC are trying to say that it is not the clubs who are in trouble. Let us hope not.
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How would blue arrows look on one of those orange jumpsuits often seen in certain judicial situations in the States? On a practical note, does the trouser leg roll up as required??
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Paul
Whilst I enjoy some Schadenfraude I hope the repercussions of this are not as serious as they might be. If we are to remain in our current environ then we need competition or the SPL will become increasingly unattractive to quality players.
On the other hand if we have an escape route (and out of chaos may come change) then if it is going to rain on them then let it pour!
Freddiebhoy - are you a Doherty per chance and if so you were passed your best .....decades ago:-)
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Curly.
I actually signed in as Lepetitemerde,so chennaise may have a point.
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Celticlover, language violation on comment from The Scotsman, deleted.
Canajunbhoy, hope you both enjoy Denver, give them a shout for me.
Jonnybhoy, I am not the keeper of the fantasy football league, however, I suspect one will run.
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Parkheadcumsalford
I was living in London and took an English mate home for Xmas and New Year so his first Celtic match was v Morton 7-0 at half time finished 8-1 then Clyde away 3-1 then Rangers 5-1. Betweeen that and the partying he didn't want to go back!
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GG (others please scroll on by - you know who you are)
Interesting observations of Scotland.
The only one I feel qualified to comment on is attendance at Mass. No question. You're entirely correct. The latest figures available show Sunday Mass attendance of 204,645 out of a total Catholic population of Scotland of 652,015.
These numbers are already four or five years old and anecdotal evidence suggests a further decline in the intervening period. But they're not bad - 31 per cent.
People still come to have their children baptised and still engage with the Church at the time of children's first Holy Communion and Confirmation. For me, it's here that Catholic schools really come into their own. They do a fantastic job of keeping a huge proportion of the Catholic community linked to the faith.
Funerals are also the other important time in people's lives when the Church provides them with great support.
The one the bishops of Scotland are really concerned about is marriage. The numbers are dismal. Many who do get married go for the beach in Antigua option. Many young(ish) people steer clear of the commitment altogether.
Now, looking on the bright side, as priest numbers continue to fall, we are going to find ourselves soon with far fewer Sunday Masses in each community. In many, there will be only one chance to get to Mass. If everyone who practises goes at the same time, we will find oursleves, as in days gone by, with standing-room only, great singing, great sense of community and so on.
God's ways are not our ways. In fact God's ways are as high above our ways as the heavens are above the earth.
Be of good cheer.
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Paul are you kidding on with this one?
The gain on disposal is fee less book value - are you suggesting that Arteta and Boumsong had no book value (i.e. they were eitherfully amortised or cost nothing?)
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i had a lovely sound sleep last night.........
one of many things i DONT have in common with David Murray.
To be fair the papers have to be very careful. Souness (in common with a few crooked bullies) has successfully sued the papers over the years. He has served notice on the Express already.
Wonder if the current buns might start getting a little ratchety when it dawns on them that while we have been signing MacDonald and Brown, their guys have been buying villas and vineyards
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MoanTheHoops@16:54
That was exactly what I was looking for, many thanks.
Cmon the Hoops
Bob
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A couple of shocks in Scottish football as reported by the Record.
Firstly a breakdown in the nudge nudge ,wink wink,say no more culture of letting the suspect know that they are under investigation.
Nobody had any advance warning and the SFA were completely unaware.
Gordon Smith has seen many things in the game(maybe he should tell us?) but had to admit that he was taken aback by what was happening in his own lodge..i mean parish
"I could hardly believe it.We were completely unaware of what was happening(nothing new there then)and I was astonished.We had no prior knowledge or warning something like this was about to be done"
I get the impression that it is only his many years of displaying Dignity taht prevents him making explicit how outrageous and unfair is such conduct .
Alas poor Celtic.With them Dignity (or lack of)goes together like salt and wound.
Celtic blow..they fly to US minus Capone.
Gordon Strachan administered a telling off to Jim O`Brien for not playing the Celtic way in Peterborough.He will also do him (O`Brien) no special favours in his attempt to break into the first team.
What a hopeless excuse for a manager..cannot sign foreign player and has no idea how to treat young home talent.
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Druidude
Ah but you forget Jim O'Brien is not a "home" talent so hell mend him and all who are as misguided;>)
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derbyshirebhoy @9.28,
That Morton game you mention, was that one of those times when Yogi ran amok in his sannies? I think I was in the Jungle that day. I can't remember the Clyde gaem. That wasn't the occasion Bertie sat on the ball, was it? i was there that day but I have a feeling that game was played late in the season, like Easter time.
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The Clyde game was a Glasgow Cup match at Hampden.
Any update on the Curant Bungs?
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Parheadcumsalford
The Morton game was actually on Christmas Day. I was in the old enclosure. I'm pretty certain Joe Mc Bride played and scored a few in one of his last games before he succumbed to that knee injury. I remember wee flurries of snow.
The Clyde game was on New Years day. Don't remember much except it may have been raining. Considering I'd had no sleep for around 48 hours you'll have to forgive me.
The Rangers game was on the 3rd. Like you I was at the Celtic end. Always thought that the bhoys felt it best to wait till they turned round so that we could all see the goals clearly. As I said before 10 would not have flattered us that day.
I posted some time ago re being involved before the match in one of the most bizarre episodes of my Celtic supporting life but I'll have to save that for later to recount the story.
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Breaking News.
City of London Police added to FF boycott list.
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Derbyshire
In the past in Ireland a Catholic/Protestann union was referred to a mixed marriage. (I
understand our near neighbours used to call it jumping the dyke which may have an entirely different connotation today.)I had forgotten that Jim O`Brien had engaged in the modern equivelent.
Celtic First
The figures for mass attendance in Ireland (Sunday Tribune 2005) was 44%.
" What the Church will be in the future depends on your free co-operation with God`s grace.Young people of Ireland I love you.
Pope John Paul 2nd Galway 1979
Semper Fidelis CSC
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Can anybody tell me what this means:
'The player is available on a free transfer having seen out his contract in France, but Rennes are entitled to a fee in any transfer after allowing the player to join Celtic last year.'
(Taken from Sky Sports)
This one's confused me for a while; we had JJPD on loan with an option to buy however now it turns out he's out of contract. Why the option to buy and why oh why would it continue now he is a free agent looking to move to another club?!?
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malone
I suppose the fee we would have to pay is to cover having use of him while on loan & having the option to buy him before anyone else.
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Druidude
Very familiar with the "mixed marriages" and "jumping the dyke" Grandfather was a Sullivan from Connemara and Grandmother born Brennan in Greenock but I believe the family were also from Galway. The other half of my family are Ayrshire born and bred.
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derbyshirebhoy,
thanks for the reply. You are dead right about our having been able to score 10 that day, and that in the second half alone. I remember Wilson scoring for them after about 5 minutes and, I think, that was the last attack they had.
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I think that's what this team needs-a good drubbing of the Pondlife.The 6-2 game really set the tone for the Martin era,and it sounds like the 5-1 game didn't do Jock's team any harm,either.
I too come from a mixed marriage.My parents were wed in the RC church,but not at the altar as the church did not allow it in the 50s.
Jumping the brush,or broom,meant to be living together,but not in wedlock;as in'that lassie's living over the stick in Eastriggs'
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I'm glad to hear that the SFA was not alerted in advance of the raid, or should that be friendly visit for an early morning roll and sausage. Giving a warning would have kind of defeated the purpose wouldn't it?
The old joke about investigations into the police comes to mind - a fair and impartial inquiry by officers of a different lodge. Still, at least the London police are leading on this one.
To be serious, if the alleged crime is as simple as not banking all of the income from the Boumsong transfer, how come the external auditors didn't uncover it? I don't know exactly what paperwork accompanies a transfer but surely it must detail how much is paid and when, and an auditor would be able to verify if the payment was actually made?
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Dbbia
They say the past is a different country..they do things differently there.
I think the Catholic Church`s main conern regarding marriage now
is to to try to ensure that they are mixed marriages as opposed to same sex unions.
As for the future I think it started at the 6-2 game.
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Gordon J-I think there will be major changes in the role of agents in transfers,and not before time.
I think supporters,especially of teams in the EPL,are baffled and angry at huge sums of money going to agents,and agents agents,to'grease the wheels'of big money transfers.
D'Dude-that game is easily one of the memories I would take with me,if I were ever asked to appear on'Desert Island Hoops'
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Druiddude
When I said the bishops were worried about marriage, it was because of the shocking drop in the numbers of people making the formal, public and religious commitment to one another through the sacrament.
That both partners may not be Catholic is not their concern. More than half of the Catholics in Scotland who are being married in Church are marrying a non-Catholic partner.
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new article posted.
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DBBIA
Desert Island Hoops is a wonderful idea. The people at Channel 67 should go away and develop that immediately.
It would be utterly compelling viewing. You would get to pick seven top moments from your Celtic-watching life, explain why they mean so much to you, and then have to single one out.
I'm not sure I'd keep in the bit about choosing a luxury.
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Celtic First
My warblings about marriage were tangenital(opps) to your post.
However i must say I am amazed at the info at people in Scotland forsaking Church weddings.
I had understood that the problem was that people who (in the Popes phrase) had withdrawn their free co-opertaion with the Church continued to avail of the service because they liked the the floor show ..in short they were secular rather than sacramental weddings and in my view show a disrespect for the beliefs of people to whom such things matter.
Many years ago I remwember a priest home from Miami telling me that if he became aware that a couple were not practising Catholics that he would refuse to officate at a Church wedding.
I have also heard that in England it is not uncommon for parents who wish to have their children avail of faith school eductaion to display an outward show of pietythat is entirely bogus.
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At 17/07/07 10:15, Parkheadcumsalford said…
derbyshirebhoy @9.28,
That Morton game you mention, was that one of those times when Yogi ran amok in his sannies? I think I was in the Jungle that day. I can't remember the Clyde gaem. That wasn't the occasion Bertie sat on the ball, was it? i was there that day but I have a feeling that game was played late in the season, like Easter time.
*I believe that was the 6-1 game, the last of the 1970/71 season where we had equaled our own six-in-a-row record at Hampden against Ayr United on a Thursday night. We had played at Love Street on the Tuesday if my memory serves me well and then the Bully Wee on the Saturday.
It was also the last time the Lisbon Lions would take the field. The Faither who led them out didnae actually play because of injury with Evan Williams in goal instead. It was also John Clark's final game before he left for Morton, he was no longer a first team player by then. It was also wee Bertie's last game and he was carried off shoulder high at the end, he was subsequently transferred to Hibs where he saw out his playing days, his last game as a Hibee was at Hades in a Hibee victory where he also sat on the ball.
My memory of the Clyde sitting on the ball incident from my viewpoint in the Jungle in front of which he performed it was of Stevie Chalmers shirricking him for it, don't know if it was for wasting time or embarrassing the opposition.
We completed the double a few weeks later in one of Jinky’s finest games a replay where he tortured big Ham and Egg, only 4 Lions played that Wednesday night, the end of an era had taken place.
Going back to the Clyde game, only 35,000 spectators were there although it was a packed house. Work was being completed on the old stand which was officially opened the following September, and we played out the season at Hampden hence winning the only “home” title in our NIAR sequence away at Hampden.
Why we completed the season at home against Clyde is a bit of a mystery although rumour had it at the time that the Bully Wee refused to play at Hampden hoping to have the game rescheduled to Shawfield where they would be the recipients of a bumper gate. Celtic decided to play to a limited crowd at Celtic Park.
Ironically, a few months later while Celtic Park was completing the renovations we conceded home advantage to the huns and played our home League Cup and League games there, winning all 3 games including the League Cup away game, in the space of 3 weeks.
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At 17/07/07 11:31, derbyshirebhoy said…
Druidude
Very familiar with the "mixed marriages" and "jumping the dyke" Grandfather was a Sullivan from Connemara and Grandmother born Brennan in Greenock but I believe the family were also from Galway.
*quite a large portion of the RC population in Dumbarton hail hail originally fae Connemara, I was walking through Clifden a few year back and Mrs TT on seeing the names above the shops said "it's like the Clerkhill school register here, or walking up Brucehill".
My paternal Silverton granny is fae there as is her maternal Bruchill grampa, same names tae.
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Why all this tedious nonsense about the Catholic church, falling mass attendances and mixed-religion marriages?
This is a forum about football in general and Celtic in particular. Not all Celtic fans are devout Catholics and we don't visit this blog to read discussions about religion.
Sometimes we Celtic fans can be our own worst enemies.
