 Tuesday, July 10, 2007
Celtic Quick News Three-in-a-row Charity Golf Day
The Celtic Quick News Three in a Row Charity Golf Day takes place at Aberdour Golf Club this Friday, 13 July.
As well as being a great day out with some of the most engaging Celtic fans you could hope to meet, the event will raise funds for Glasgow the Caring City.
We have a very special item to auction, a limited edition 40th Anniversary Celtic top without the sponsors logo together with a box set DVD of that glorious day, both signed by winning goal scorer, Stevie Chalmers. The auction has just gone live on ebay and closes at noon on Friday.
Danny McGrain, has kindly donated one of his initialled Celtic training jackets, which is also available for auction on ebay now. We will also auction a limited edition 100th Scottish Cup Final necktie, signed by both Celtic goal scorers that day, Frank McGarvey and Davie Provan.
I hope you enjoy participating in and watching the auction. Funds raised will help Glasgow the Caring City continue their invaluable and often lifesaving work in both Scotland and overseas.
On Friday, golfers should arrive at 1pm for a 1:30 (sharp) tee off, evening guests should arrive no later than 7pm for a 7:30 meal, though feel free to arrive earlier.
Taggsybhoy will be in touch by email tomorrow with more details, if you do not hear from him, drop me a line via the About page.
Many sincere thanks to our big hearted readers who have donated prizes: Big Joe, Oldtim67 and Travelbhoy.
Thanks also to our sponsors 14 clubs and Maltwood.
A special thanks to two of the greatest ever Celtic players, Stevie Chalmers and Danny McGrain for helping with our day.
608 Comments:
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apologies for the bold, I have been fighting with blogger for an hour and this is as close to 'publish ready as I can get'.
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Is that because the rest of us are now on Google,and blogger is soooooooooo last Tuesday?
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... and then the bold was gone. Blogger distress all around.
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Good luck on Friday Paul.
Enjoy yourselves and good luck with the money raising.
Have you heard the name Jermain Defoe being mentioned anywhere?
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Kano....Dafoe...asking price approx. 8m....over priced and overrated.
We could buy two excellent players for the money. I hope this is just something one of your pals has dreamed up.
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At 10/07/07 14:35, Ragnar said…
t 10/07/07 14:25, Ragnar said…
Tiny Tim 20.45
I was genuinly taken aback by your post, accusssing me of insulting you, or inferring that you were stupid. This is not something I would indulge in,(intentionally or otherwise), when posting. I was puzzled as to which comments I made could be construed in such a way. Having re-read my post I am still at a loss as to what it was that I said which could be deemed to be insulting?
I had read your previous post and I was merely pointing out what I saw were inconsistencies in your arguments. There appeared to me to be contradictions between one post and another, leaving you open to criticism.
Please feel free to post as many times as you wish, and for as long as you wish. But I think that if you do you must be prepared to have you comments constructively criticised, which is something I endeavour to offer at all times. To do otherwise would reflect badly upon me. I think that in the main I have succeeded in constructively engaging with others.
The full back cover you refer to by its very nature will not be top, top quality , but it will expand the existing squad, arguably with lesser talents. But there will always be comings and going, an ebb and flow , tooings and frowings, squads expand and contract over time. I think a strong squad is a healthy thing.
The history of football clubs the world over is littered with examples of players being played out of position, or tried out in alternative positions to test their adaptability and skills, including youngsters learning the game. Gordon Strachan does not have a monopoly on this, and I don't have a problem with Bjarnasson being played at full back as part of his football education.
There are many examples of this being a success even at Celtic. Tom McAdam at centre half and Andy Lynch at full back are two who can be cited in this case. I'll grant you there have been failures too. Tommy Burns putting Barry Smith in at full back against Rangers. Though on the other hand, one could suggest this in itself might be seen to be a success. It enabled Barry to have a long and distinguished career at Dundee.
I do not know what Aberdour Gold Day is,as for sharing a pint, i'm afraid that is out for the time being, given that I am amidst a period of abstinence,(iv'e lasted for one month and four days so far,only another seven weeks and three days to go!). Have one on me
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At 10/07/07 14:35, Ragnar said…
At 10/07/07 14:29, Ragnar said…
Hail Hail
Pot, kettle, black.
Perhaps you would care to re-read your previous posts with regard to Gordon Strachan. In my view I have yet to read any in of them any constructive commints on him or any of his actions.
Apologies for any spelling or grammmmmatical errors,
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And we entertain rumours about Craig Bellamy and Michael Owen
Man I would not have Gordon Strachan's job for a pension.
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And Jermain Defoe,for that matter!!
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Kitalba 11.24.
I'd like to thank you for those kind words,I remember my first post and it was a strain to put it on the blog,I'd lurked about for a year or so,but never could pick up the courage to do the first post until October last year,and I'd like to say to all other lurkers that have'nt posted yet,have a go, you''ll enjoy it after you gain in confidence.
I keep saying it, but I left school 54 years ago and never had the need to remember about comma's and full stops,Grammer or anything to do with the written language,my main concerns, when I was a young man growing up was, where to get the money for my next pint.
I was quite intelligent, good pass marks at school,and not a thicko,but I should have remembered that schooling should last until you pop your clogs,not to forget everything after you leave school.
CQN has been a revelation for me,my enjoyment of an evening was T/V, no reading or anything like that.
No wonder I became a bit brain dead.
And after reading posts, more likely one's like yours, Kitalba, I would wish that I could post half as good as you, and others on the blog.
I buckled down and started to self teach myself the rudiments of putting down words in some understandable form,and If I'm improving thats good.
And I really appreciate the compliment passed by you, its been worth my while learning again.cheers Kitalba.
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Kano, We have to simply live with the fact that EPL playrs at the hight of their game are outside of our reach. When they get to 32+, we might be in with a chance but that is only a slight possibility.
The money in the championship is getting crazy now too. Strachan has shown that our eyes have to be focused on the SPL and other markets in the world. You get a much better bang for your buck in other markets.
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johnny mac,
actually came from one of the many rumour mills in a national newspaper.
Wouldn't really be interested in him myself,even at half that price.
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Don't believe we will be signing any more players from either the EPL or the championship,for that matter,for the life of the current TV deal.
You may be extremely lucky and find the odd gem at a price we can afford.
But I believe we will be looking elswhere.
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Ah,
I see you concur johnny mac.
Look before you leap,springs to mind for some strnge reason at the moment
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Never thought it was you, otherwise you would have given us more of the details on the runour. The press seem to think that just cause we have money, we will spend it in the english market. I think they are wrong.
Apart from Naylor, Virgo and Telfer has WGS bought in anyone from England? The others we have signed from English clubs (Miller, Jiri, Keane, Mo Camara, and Dublin) were all free transfers.
we have shown when we spend money, that it is not in England.
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think there may have been a fee for Jiri,but I hope he doesn't even waste time or effort looking there at the moment.
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oldtim
Good post, and another one of the unique ones on this blog.
CQN started off as a security blanket, a thumb to suck, for me. I discovered it the day after I moved into my apartment in Chennai, and it gave me a lifeline back to something I knew.
Since then it's been a load of things at different times. A source of inspiration, information, amusement, frustration. Anger once or twice, but not often. Despair, more often than I would have liked. At times, especially after a few drinks, a place to show off, and face the embarrassment of reading the drivel the next morning.
More fundamentally for me it's been an unlikely source of friendship and cameraderie over whta has been a testing three years. CQN was where I got over the black days after Black Sunday (sorry Martin). Here I first voiced my excitement at the new dawn that was Gordon Strachan. CQN was where I shared my immediate euphoria when we beat Manchester United.
And a lot of emotions, ups, downs and in betweens.
So your post strikes a chord with me. And the exchanges between Kano and Tiny Tim, and the other contributors to that debate, have been another example of what's great about this site.
That was no ordinary hard man cyber debate, the likes of which have marred the site in the past. For me it was an interesting, sometimes amusing (I don't always need emoticons either Kano) and generally constructive debate, where personal feelings intervened occasionally.
This is a mature soap opera of a site which is as compulsive as Eastenders (geddit?).
Sorry I won't be there on Friday, but enjoy all those who are.
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Oldtim67
I think it’s admirable how you comment on here besides finding the time to give us quotes from the past to enjoy.
You’re a very good, interesting and positive contributor to CQN who can hold his own while
keeping other bloggers on their toes. I’m looking forward to reading more of your opinions and views from your Celtic history.
Hail Hail
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The players are out there,if you are prepared to do the research and find them.Once a player gets established in a Premiership,or even Championship side he's not going to be cheap,and especially if he still has ambition to play for England then the possibility of seeing him in the hoops becomes oxymoronic,as the fat chance and slim chance merge.
We are not going to get Sidwell from Reading,or Bentley from Blackburn,but we could have picked them up whenthey were released by Arsenal[Sidwell went to Brentford!].
We could have taken a chance on Koumas when he was at Cardiff,and I'd still like us to take Healy from what's left of Leeds.
What is needed is some green sky thinking.
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Saviola signed for Real. Damn and blast! OK, so it was never likely but i thought if i wished hard enough..
lynnsguttedgreensocks
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Kanu - I think you are right on Jiri...my mistake.
dontbrattbackinanger - I think there has to be something going on with Healy. With his scoring record since being released by Man U in 2001 he should be at a much bigger club. He scored a goal every 3 games at Preston and his scoring record at Leeds is similar. Yet...he strugles to get a start....why? Something seems odd.
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Johnny Mac- I think he may go to Fulham,given his scoring exploits for Norn Iron when Sanchez was the boss-3 against Spain,2 against Sweden,the winner against England.
Given his rumoured loyalties I'm surprised El Cardo has not made an offer,as LUFC are one of the few clubs in more need of cash than the plucky southsiders.
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Fulham would seem the likely place with Sanchez now being there. I do not think the other mob have the money to buy the guy, even from Leeds.
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Have not, Kano.
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did anyone hear jamie carragher calling into talksport to chin adrian durham?
how i would love scott brown to do that to fat dj and keevins
jamie carragher top man
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ragnar
is that it?
was that your best shot?
hail hail
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At 10/07/07 11:33, EdwardUrsus said…
TontineTim :- My ex wife is a Catholic and the deal was that she named the girls I named the (without an h) boys. I've no boys called Brendan or Sean, my son is Duncan however I do have a grandson Declan. The poor kid has a Liverpool supporting Dad and a Celtic supporting step Dad, so Duncan and myself have to work hard to make sure he grows up supporting the forces of light on the south side :-)
*cheers Edward interesting concept, I have a nephew and we used tae call him Dunkie but that was down to him having big ears.
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Ragnar
You ended your post on 09/07/07 at 11.50 with th following comment.
"will there be any intelligent or constructive coments in any forthcoming posts? or will it be more of the same?"
Which basically means that to believe my comments are unintelligent,in other words stupid.
I took this as a personal insult of my intelligence.
How else was i supposed to take it?
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Kano, we have jousted so often now ,i cannot remember what you want me to respond to about Gordon Strachan.
For the record ,despite winning two SPL titles, i still don't rate him highly.
To be more specific,i don't rate his man management skill's.
If he keeps winning titles, i will put up with it ,however.
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Ragnar.
I had hoped that previous response to you post,would have clarified that i was not inconsistant with my posts,regarding the size of the squad.
You are still posting that you were pointing out inconsitancies in my posts.
There are none.
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tiny tim (and ragnar)
i think you'll find ragnar's unintelligent slur specifically slanders me.
hail hail precedes his unprovoked attack.
hail hail
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tinytim
If I can edge in with a question.
What is it about his man management skills you don't like?
And how does it show to the detriment of our team?
OK, two questions.
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Gravesen as a striker.
Discuss.
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hail hail
tora tora tora
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With apologies to deliasmith from the last thread I'm afraid I'm going to bite.
Collie @ 23.29
You complained about my post of 22.36 and I have scrolled back to see what caused your annoyance. Now, unless you're a drop out, swindler or dobber, I assume you felt the last acronym was directed at you. In defence, could I direct you to the sentiments contained in this song?
Carly Simon
Rest assured that, should I choose to have a dig at you in future, it would not be sly and it would be addressed to you. My 22.36 reply was addressed clearly to TTTT and was in no way critical of him either.
I was merely drawn to the image that golf courses are often to be found in this country to double as dog toilets. So, unless you are now taking offence on behalf of all canine kind, please go and find another bone to chew.
Despite your attack, I still feel like a fairly dry shammy. You may need to reduce your intake of dry sherry, however.
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celtic-first
matchless.
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Chennai
Great response, on so many levels, all with one word.
I just wanted to let you know I appreciated it.
Once on CQN I cracked a gag about a Bilbao player called Murillo scoring an og. I said: "I bet his face was a picture."
No response.
I vowed I'd never mention it again, but, with tonight's conversation looking like going down a similar path to last night's, if anyone was up for a chat about seventeenth century painting, I'd vote for it any day.
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Chennaiseabird.
I believe that he badly managed Chris Sutton,BBJ,Stan Petrov,Alan Thomson,Marshall,Agathe,Sean Maloney and Neil Lennon ,at times.
He is not covering himself in glory with his management of Riordan or the likes of Graveson.
If i can give an example.
He put Chris sutton through a rigorous pre-season.He felt that Sutton wasn't pulling weight.
he told him so.
Sutton told him that he knew his own body better than ,he did.
That he was carrying any injury and he needed to rest it.
Mr Strachan did not accept this and forced Sutton to train.
Sutton carried influence with the other senior players and Mr Strachan was left with several senior players ,being against him.
He was then left with no option but to get rid of them to keep control of the dressing room.
Sutton's injury's were not fake.He had been blighted with them before and after this event.
Even if he had been faking it.
Out and out confrontation is not the answer.
That is why Graeme Souness has failed at so many clubs.
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chennaiseabird
great movie, and indeed very high in my top ten
leading to my sub conscious statement, whilst
on a celtic blog
hail hail
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Evenin all.
Lately, due to other more pressing matters, I have found myself lurking more than posting.
Having read the toys-out-the-pram-brigades recent cyber sparring, think I'll stick to mostly lurking.
Some people are taking themselves way too seriously.
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celtic_first
Giving the question serious consideration.
If you want to play TG, and you want to accommodate his profligacy with posession, where do you play him? Up front, I suppose.
In what role? (The same old question about TG, ironically.)
Big holding forward? (JVOH) Not big enough, not sticky enough with the ball.
The fast incisive foil? (MZ, Scott). Not fast enough, not incisive enough, too easily foiled.
The one up? See not fast enough, not incisiveness enough.
The thorn in the defence, rough them up, unsettle them? Roger Hynd? Could work, in limited circumstances.
Do we want to build our anything around Thomas Gravesen? Not at the moment thanks.
We got the qualities right when we signed Thomas and Jiri. Unfortunately they were spread over two players, with two players' worth of weaknesses.
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This getting to pure Monty Python -
Im offended
No, I'm offended
No, I'm offended and so is my wife...
Can we call a moritorium?
Gents check your react-O-meter - try turning it to 3.
Wry smile emoticon, plus a wink. I said WINK.
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chennaiseabird
If I can take you up on your questions.
What is it about his man management skills you don't like?
His condescending attitude to the press, fans and players. His embarrassingly cringworthy post match interviews which some seem to enjoy making me cringe even more.
His inability to get on with so many players. DR, NL, TG, AMcG, RK to name those that we know about.
And how does it show to the detriment of our team?
Tempted just to say Kenny Miller but how about his seeming determination to rid the team of all the MON players which could have cost us the cup final when he substituted Lennon (which in itself was embarrassing).
His belief that McManus is great because he listens to him in training. And I bet that Presley's a great listener to.
I could say more but lifes too short.
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celtic_first
Thanks for reading all that into one word!
How many times have you read something on here, smiled, and gone away?
I do it frequently.
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Does anyone else really miss the 'songs' debate?
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Chennaiseabird.
Thanks again for your kind words.
I found it hard to post on here as my scholastic ability was at zero after years of neglect,but when I read through some of the comment's on here,and at times the grammer and spelling were as bad as how I would have done, they, the posters gave me heart,I would say to myself"I can do as good as that."
And I'm not slagging anyone, I'm proud to be associated with you bhoys.
If I was getting tested by a teacher she would probably comment"well done David 200% improvement in 6 months,but try a little harder."
And thats what I'll do,try harder.
hhbhoy.
Again thanks for your kind comment,
All I've done is try to improve my way of expressing myself on-line,I'm happy with my progress but I'll get better.
The way I'm putting this across you would think I was a plank,but it was just me neglecting my old grey matter,non use of the brain aint a very sensible thing to do.
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Or a good old barney about reamortisation or whatever it's called?
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Tinytim
Genuine question, you don't rate his man management skills based on solid evidence or on your own perception of them.
I have no inside track on anything, some people do or at least claim to. Of the players you have listed, my perception was that Chris Sutton and Didier Agathe let themselves down whilst Maloney and Petrov wanted the moves they got. Hartson I'm a bit confused about, excellent in the first season then we sold him at the right time (unless I missed him do well for West Brom).
I think Riordan has failed to make the step up to being a Celtic player. I suspect he is far from the professional he should be. Gravesen strikes me as being unmanagable over the past year, several of his on the park performances and behaviours have been frankly absurd.
I mentioned perspective and favouritism today, not directly at you however I do believe that alot of people take the side against Strachan on every possible occassion - just because it suits them.
His every action, decision and uttering is pored over in ridiculously critical detail whilst others (such as MON) get an easy ride. After two years they're equals in my eye and my love for GS currently exceeds my love for MON.
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Chenaiseabird.
Sorry i didn't respond to your second question.
We are winning matches but not by the same margin of comfort .We are also dire to watch.
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Wiz-well said.It's like being stuck in a traffic jam with a carful of fractious bairns.
'He's looking at me'
'No I'm not'
'Sot!'
'Not!''sot!'
Notsotnotsotnotsotnotsot..........aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhh!
..and the sad bit is these are excellent CQNers with a long record of good contributions to the Blog.
Anyways,for any Timlings contemplating what it'll take to cut it from BobbyLennoxTown-in the 50s in Kentucky Joe Martin was a cop who coached boxing part-time.
This is what he had to say about one of his pupils-'I guess I've taught about a thousand boys to box,or at least tried to teach them.
When he first came here,he looked no better or worse than the majority.He stood out because he had more detrmination than most boys ,and he had the speed to get him someplace.
He was a kid willing to make the sacrifices necessary to achieve something worthwhile.I realized it was almost impossible to discourage him.He was easily the hardest worker of any kid I ever taught'
The young boxer in question was then known as Cassius Marcellus Clay.
Talent alone is not enough to get to the top in lots of human endeavours,including sport.Just an example-I have no doubt that Derek Riordan has more'talent'than say,Paul Telfer.Will DR be playing CL football in his mid30s?
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Tinytim
Here's another perspective.
He's following a huge personality who was the foundation for the success for a clutch of players whose career had needed a boost.
He was a threat because he was something different. And he was facing a group of players who were, let's face it, failed, tired heros in recent history.
He threw down a challenge and backed it up with strength. Maybe he wanted some players out, maybe he just wanted their loyalty. I don't know.
I know this, though, he got what he wanted and we've been champions ever since. Man management isn't about soothing egos. It's about realising strengths, covering for weaknesses, uniting objectives and achieving results. And if you don't want to be part of that team, fine, move on.
Martin had less of an issue for obvious reasons, but Mark Viduka was one he lost. With which I was happy.
I think Gordon Strachan is a skilled man manager who knows as well as most when to confront, when to cajole, when to let alone. I love the image of him, in Naka's early career, when he consults him about whether or not he wants to go on. Wish I could remember the game.
Ultimately, it's the testimony of the players that counts on this, and I haven't heard too many negative views. Money, not management, were what motivated Maloney and Petrov. Maloney, in particular, was an ungrateful slap in the face.
And maybe Martin was an attraction too, which is fine. That's who they grew up with. Got it wrong football wise though.
Gordon Strachan hasn't failed at any club.
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cetic_first
Not since sftb posted Carly Simon.
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Maloney made a point of saying how pleased he was at the management-change in 2005, saying how pleased he was that young players were getting a look-in.
He was, we all know, on his way out of Celtic then. Gordon Strachan gave the wee man his best season at the best club in the world (so far - in case he comes back).
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Paul67.
I was through at Celtic Park this morning getting some tickets for the Parma game,and got to see the players heading of for training.
They all looked pretty cheerful except Jiri,he looked like a man that new he was on his way.
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Chennaiseabird
I see you seem to be adopting the "just ignore him and he'll go away' approach favoured by other members of the CQN clergy.
Not a member of the supernatural branch of CQN CSC
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Of course, it wouldn't be in the interests of Shaun Maloney's relative to make it look as though Shaun was feeling unwanted at Celtic...
Just another perspective you could take.
The Neil Lennon piece did of course finish with Neil saying that he had an exceptional relationship with Gordon Strachan as Celtic manager and would be forever in his debt for making him captain and leading the team to 2 league titles.
Just another perspective on that particular story.
Neil Lennon (playing horribly) is substituted, his replacement then plays a forward pass which leads to a match winning goal.
Maybe that makes the manager a lucky one, good! Because the last guy had just about everything but luck.
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TontineTim :- I hope you weren't making an ass out of the boy :-)
CelticFirst @18.33 :- It would probably be good for Celtic if Mr Gravesen was to go on strike.
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So much fun and joy on here today.
I think most of us think we know more than we do, particularly about player's psychologies and what goes on behind closed doors. This stuff about players feeling unwanted may have some truth but i can understand if a manger tells him to get tae....celtic fans on minimum wage should remind them that they are paid a fortune and are priviliged to play for celtic. Riordan comes across as a greetin face wee baby in the press but i like to think what we read is not the whole picture nor the real picture. I for one am very happy with Strachan's comments that only the hungry ones will succeed at celtic.
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mr angry
I hadn't read your comments when I responded to tt.
Gordon Strachan's response to the press has nothing to do with man mangement skills. It's not his job to manage the press in that sense. They have editors and things for that.
I would like Gordon to deal with the press better than he does, but he does it his way. Good for him, condescending is better than some deserve. Martin was reserved even condescending and scornful, Jock was manipulative. Neither good man management qualities. But it's the press.
Fans? I've never found him condescending to me. And all I've heard him say about Celtic fans has been positive, at worst realistic.
Players? See my response to tt.
Inability to get on with so many players? I don't know about that. I only know what I read on here, in the press, etc. I have disagreements with my boss and people who are unfortunate enogh to have me as a boss have disagreemnets with me. But mostly we get on.
Of all the players you could pick to show how it shows to the detriment of the team, I would say Kenny Miller is the weakest example. He has stood by Kenny long after most of us had given up hope.
For his "seeming determination" to rid us of all MON layers, see reply to tt. I would have got rid of the Fir Park crewe too.
Substituing Neil Lennon was not an embarrassment. It won us the cup. And even Neil, though he admitted to being upset (what else would he be?) stopped short of criticising the manager. Good leadership there, if nothing else. And then Neil is not Jackie McNamara.
I've been a McManus fan for a long time, so that example doesn't work, I'm afraid. But I don't think Gordon has ever said Stephen is Great in any absolute sense.
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celtic_first
You bored?
Waht happened to the JBB money anyway?
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Chennaiseseabird 19.43.
That is an excellent arguement.
One that i have put to myself before.
What would i do, with someone who just didn't want to work with me?
I think you are right ,i think that the likes of Chris Sutton were wary of him and his new method's.
However, what did he do to put them at ease?
Why not let thing's settle before,you rock the boat?
Get the likes of Sutton your side.
Maybe Mr Strachan feels that he tried this and he was left with no other choice.
One of the thing's that i have admired about him ,is that he has stuck to his gun's ,when he decided that there would be a clearout.
Make no bones about it.He manipulated some people out the door.
He has been reasonably successfull in football management.I do think that there are some Coventry fan's who felt failed by him ,when he got them relagated.
Look, his job isn't easy.
He has achieved more than i thought that he would.
I don't think that he would thank me for it.
However, if i met him tomorrow i would say to him that i was wrong about him,when he was appointed.
I didn't think that he would last to the end of the first season.
He has achieved much more than i thought that he would.I am very gratefull for the two titles that he has brought us.
I just haven't been able to enjoy them because i don't belive that he is building a legacy.I am waiting on his house of sand ,to fall about him.At least that is what i fear.
At this point in time i could not argue with someone who said that i was wrong .
All my senses tell me that he is not all that many believe him to be.
I don't want to feel this way about him, but i do.
He just rub's me up the wrong way.
I know that that lack's substance but it is how i feel.
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Thismancraig
I don't think that Neil lennon was playing horribly when he was substituted.
I thought that he was one of our better performers on the day.
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Tinytim
Jury's still listening to the evidence on your answer to the second question, as far as I'm concerned.
It's the big challenge for next season. I'm not sure how much of it is man management and how much of it is tactics, technique and ability. All odf which, of course, is the manager's ultimate responsibility.
Would we settle for same again domestically this season and the semi's in Europe, with no improvement in the entertainemnt factor? Or loads a goals but no progress in Europe?
I think I might go for the latter, actually. But I'm hoping for that plus the semis.
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Does it matter if anyone likes or dislikes gordon strachan?
He is there for one thing and one thing only, to win the league title for celtic every year. If he does not likely as not he will be sacked or leave.
All i care about is winning and getting value for our emotional and financial investment in celtic. A club we all love. On that we can all agree.
Strachan has done all that has been asked of him in the last two years.
He now starts with a clean slate and has to do it all over again.
He has won the league with probably two of the most unattractive to watch celtic teams in many a year. Thankfully to counter that we have faced the two worst rangers teams in many a long year. However we will now face a different dynamic.
Walter smith is a decent manager and Ally a motivator. The huns are not as bad as the happy clappers would love us to believe.
Yes they are not the force they were but they will be the 2nd best team on paper.
They will not drop stupid points and the league will hinge on the old firm head to heads.
So i don't really care if strachan is a "smart alec smug little git" or the "greatest manager since Stein". Frankly all i care about is winning the league and beating the huns.
At the moment with the team we have we should do that so i am pretty happy but i would be more confident with the drift wood out and some quality brought into the side.
So like him or loath him the fact is if he wins the league he stays if not it's a fast black for the wee man.
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Ted, 7:31pm It would probably be good for Celtic if Mr Gravesen was to go on strike.
Why's that, is Minty about to launch an offer for him after the success of the 'bid' for Faubert? ;-)
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Gweedorebhoy
I could not agree more.
I agreed with every word you typed.
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Tinytim
I didn't think he was great and understood immediately why Caldwell was being brought on in his place. It kind of makes my point precisely (and this is not aimed at you as I know you are a massive fan of NL as I am) that people who spent years castigating Neil Lennon, suddenly were aghast at him being substituted. It's a weird one, the game was there to be one and Celtic are bigger than Neil Lennon - I've never understood the fuss over it.
As I said, maybe the manager just got lucky but we all know how it feels to have an unlucky one.
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Ohhh Nooooo! Here we go again. The Strachanphobes are after the manager again.
Mr Angry/Tiny Tim
You may well be right. Mr Strachan may not have the man management skills that suits everyone and I would say that a person who is not getting a game will be the head of that queue....thereby DR and TG will certainly not be best pleased with Mr Strachan. However if you are not doing it on the training field or in the games then the manager needs to make hard decisions. If there are players at CP that are happy not to be playing then I wish they weren't at CP at all.
Also this nonsense about his "cringeworthy" attitude with the press. This is the same press that has been disrespecting our club for decades. What should he be doing touching his forlock in due reverence to their superiority.
In England they loved his quick wit and sarcasm.
Tinytim I am glad that you will put up with him as long as he is delivering titles. Very magmanimous of you.
I certainly hope that next season we will win the league and with more flair than the second half of last season as well.
But this constant criping about a manager who has won back to back league titles, beaten Manure in the CL, only put out of CL by the eventual winners after extra time.
I bet you Edward would give his eye teeth to have as bad a man manager as that!
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mr angry at 19.22
I hope I've covered that.
Which is not to say that I agree with your general complaint against the clergy.
But if there is a clergy, let me be the firt to pin the bull on the door.
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Tinytim
Perhaps you could clarify something for us. You said, based on what a family member of Shaun Maloney's had told you, that the move was not about money.
You said: "The difference in salary was not a lot when you earn at that level."
What, then, was he negotiating with Celtic over so many weeks and months? He was a praised and prized member of the team, his name always on the team sheet, so how could he feel unwanted?
If he didn't want more money, what did he want?
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Thismancraig
"Horribly"
How dare you....
You've changed.
Hope Pirlo disapears into the backwater of Italian football bribery and is banned for life...
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Thismancraig
I wish that i could find, your pre season prediction post, from last season.
I hope that you are just as accurate this season,as i suspect that you think that we will be champions again.
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Pro's and con's for both Strachan and O'Neill.
Think the main difference between them was O'Neills unwavering support/reliance/trust in the players seen as 'his' players.
Obviously there are positives and negatives that affect the realtionships and success both managers will and have achieved....
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Celtic first
He did want more money.I never said that he didn't.
Infact he got more money from both Celtic and Villa.
I know a bit about the negotiation process and i cannot expand.
He felt that Celtic only offerred him the money when they had a gun to their head.
If he had been offered the money 2 days before ,he would be a Celtic player now.
He genuinely felt unwanted.
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Change of topic.
I still have two tickets available for Friday night at Aberdour.
Any one interesting in bidding,all proceeds go to Charity.
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Ed Ursus
I checked Cassell's dictionary of Slang today for a definition of Bhoy.....
Mrs H bought a copy for her battle against the Guardian crossword....
the kids like looking up rude wurdz in it....
bhoy is defined as a US word originating in the mid 19th Century.
According to Cassell's it means a 'lad', a young rowdy and they link it to another word "mose" from the same era.
A mose is defined as a generic name for a 'Bowery b'hoy'.
A New Yorker who might work as a fireman but whose main occupation was running with a gang.
These gangs would mix street thuggery with life as political mercenaries.....inspiration for the movie Gangs of New York....??
Cassell's cite that 'bhoy' and 'mose' originated in several pulp burlesques written by Edward Judson (1823-86).
Judson is better known for the Western pulp fiction he wrote under the pseudonym Ned Buntline.
I looked up bear as well.........Cassell's offer 4 definitions....
1 - Gruff, irritable person
2 - Boss who overworks their staff
3 - A particularly ugly person
4 - a hairy, beefy gay male
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gweedorebhoy
As a happy clapper, I agree with most of what you posted.
My only clarification is over "(they) are not as bad as the happy clappers would love us to believe."
First of all, the happy clappers are us and so are the mineshafters. But, more importantly, we have been saying that Rangers were a poor outfit for the past 2 years that's why we beat them by a country mile. I know of no one who expects them to be as poor next year but I know many who think they will still be poorer than us, including yourself, it would seem.
We seem to differ only over the degree that they will be poorer than us and over a willingness to gloat or boast about that meantime. And that latter difference is mostly due to superstition over whether its bad for you to crow in case it rebounds or whether you should enjoy it while you can. In other words, just a matter of taste.
Since there's still some buying and selling to occur within both clubs and we still have to see how early season form goes, I will remain blithely confident. If I see signs of a significant recovery, then I will become wary. Don't mistake this for complacency! We both seem to agree that we need to continue getting things right if we are to remain on top.
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Tinytim
My sources are not as close as yours but i was told he wanted the same money as miller. He was offered £15k a week but miller is on £17K.
As it dragged on he then felt celtic did not want him.
I for one still think petrov and maloney are great losses. I would take shaun back any day.
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tinytim
Your post at 19.37 comments on mine at 19.43. I just think that CQN should be aware of this new first, in time shifting.
But apart from that, I agree with most of what you say. Gordon Strachan isn't an easy guy for people to take, if you go by the public personna. Especially if your early awareness of him was in the Jungle, when he was yapping around Celtic Park like a dug looking for something to p*** on.
That's where my admiration for him was built. Not many Scottish p[layers have come to Celtic Park with such confidence / indifference / disdain. Choose your word.
So that's Gordon Strachan the public personality. I've always been a fan so it's easy for me to give him room as a manager.
Rubbing people up the wrong way is something he does. Jock had his enemies too. I bet you if you met Gordon in a social situation with an open Celtic mind you'd be entranced.
Unless you dug him up about Deek, of course.
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Tinytim
All right, thanks. So it was about money. I think that's what we all thought.
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setting free the bears
Agree
If we can get in some good full backs and a wow striker then no matter what the huns do with mintys thousands we will win the league.
I just wish that hearts and hibes would strengthen as i dont want the huns to have a CIS cup final next year.
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Just caught up with the last few days posts.
It put me in mind of being aff work on holiday,but no goan anywhere,efter a coupla days you start getting on the wifes t/ nerves.
Tinytim for wan so gregarious,outgoin,up furra laugh,yae dae sum moaning in print,canna make Friday or ad a boat yae a drink,keep well mate.
Talkin bout fuds,dont look at this if your easily offended bit sweary but funny.
Glesga Guide Dug
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chennaiseabird (Thanks for the reply.)and steelica
The only quibble I still have is that you both say you don't think he is condescending towards the fans. You see, when he speaks to the media he is effectively speaking to us. Therefore the rubbishy comments that he is want to make, IMO show a lack of respect for the fans listening or reading as they are surely the only ones remotely interested in what he has to say.
Peace
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In response to previous posts wondering how the word “Bhoys” came about, I would like to quote from a book called “25 Years Football” by “Old International” in 1896. It doesn’t explain the word but it shows that it was being used then. This is under the “Celtic” chapter in the book. I was going to keep this for my website (when I've got time to get it started) but thought that it would be interesting for some posters. The following was concerning Hibs winning the Scottish Cup in1887 and the subsequent founding of Celtic.
“Special trains from Edinburgh and Dumbarton carried their living freights to witness the struggle, the majority of the supporters of the Edinburgh club being naturally composed of the sons of the Emerald Isle, a football interest being suddenly imbued in the breasts of many West of Scotland Irishmen from the hope of the “bhoys” finishing triumphant in the ninety minutes contest.
That their fondest hopes were realised is matter of history, as the Hibs defeated Dumbarton by the narrow but sufficient margin of two goals to one.
From this period onward football, to the Irishmen resident in Scotland was a God fit to be woo’d and won, and this victory of the “Greeks” from our Modern Athens certainly created in Glasgow a desire to have a team run on the same lines.”
It appears that not only did we “steal” some of the Hibs players but we also stole their nickname.
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You can not blame Strachan for the salary offered to these two players. He has stated more than once that he is not involved in those details. He has input into the who and the duration, the numbers are Lawells deal.
As for the difference in the Salary structure between Miller and Shaun. Miller was a proven international in his first year at a new club. Maloney had just come off his first good season. If he wanted more money, he should would have been better negotiating a salary that increased over the term, based on games played, etc. The boy was injured more than he was fit, over the life of his last contract and I am sure that was taken into account by those controlling the purse strings.
For him to say the club did not want him because they had a different figure on his value after 1 good season is wrong...Just because the number is different, does not mean that at all.....It is all about negotiation....seems like his agent did not negotiate very well at the outset.
I am not saying him and Petrov were not big losses and were not missed. I am saying to blame Strachan for these is wrong. Faults existed within the financial management at CP and with the remuneration being wanted by the players and their agents.
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Feeling unwanted?
Not a nice feeling. You have three options.
Stay. Have a miserable life, pick up the money but add no value.
Go away, find somewhere you're wanted. If money makes you feel wanted, Aston Villa have big trunk of it.
Fight to become wanted. By your manager and the 60,000 going on 20 million faithful. Priceless.
A good man manager knows when to force the options.
He's no' yer mammy.
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Tinytim, Gordon had an excellent relationship with JJB and an exceptional relationship Alan Thompson.
The Sutton story is pretty close to what I heard at first hand from an impeccable source, though my version came with some key differences.
Disagreements such as these happen in all places of work. Your version of the Chris Sutton/Gordon Strachan story reminded me of a very similar Ulrik Laursen/Martin O’Neill episode. My verdict at that time? ‘Martin cannot let players dictate…..’
When Gordon took over in 2005 big changes were needed in the playing staff, some of whom were invariably under-trained and overpaid. An unpopular agent of change was needed….
Celtic First, reamortisation, can you imagine if they sneaked that word into the accounts next month!
Oldtim67, I hope Jiri is not wrong about his prospects.
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Haw Celtic_First
Murillo wouldn’t know what a tin of paint was, even if he barged into the studio upsetting the precariously placed pot on top of the door to fall on tap o’ his noggin.
The guy’s a tube
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I must sadden you. Do you remember?About one year ago you were interested in 19 years old striker Dawid Janczyk from Legia. You could buy him for one or one and half an million Euro.He will be sold to CSKA Moscow for 4,2 m Euro. Russians outbided Arsenal an |
