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paul67.
Thought I'd try for firt.
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None of these facts will rate a mention you can put your hat on it.
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Paul, those facts have a better chance of making it than his Westminster-Confession-Shattering cry of "¡Viva San Fermín!" being reported on the day of the big Orange Walk in Glasgow.
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Congrats oldtim on your firt. Must be the teeth. :>)
Paul, I was wondering why a quality defender from Spain would be so desperate to head to Govan.
Your stats tell a tale that will never be told.
Maybe he had to get out of Pamplona before the let the bulls out.
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We've had rain like it's going out of fashion lately, but i hope we get a monsoon tomorrow, and lightning for good measure.
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Paul67.I was impressed with a number of celtic players last night and I think the midfield is going to be a joy to watch.
There again I said the same last year and it did'nt materialize but we won the league, ugly or not.
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According to Wikipedia, Cuellar has played 62 games for Numancia as well?
Still, 126 games in 7 years, that is about 18 games a season? Time will tell if he can last a full season being the only leader in a back four or five.
As for champions league opponents, well, I would much rather avoid any of our eastern friends. The Bucharest teams, Dinamo Zagreb, Sparta Prague, Belgrade...give me a central european team! Genk, Athens, Fenerbache, Zurich, Slazburg...
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Стахановец, correct, my apologies.
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tom the tim.
I was that excited to get on first i did'nt check the spelling,I got on first before and I think I cocked it up then also.
Paul I hope the weather changes for the better on July the thirteenth (My birthday by the way).My mother god rest her soul, always said that she kept me insde until the twelth was over.born an hour after midnight.
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Paul-
You just made my day.
Good one.
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Welcome home to two of my favourite grandchildren.
We will see you tomorrow.
Lots of love,
granny and granda.
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Just out of curiousity, has anyone seen the Scotland games at the u-20 world cup? Can't say I have been impressed with our young Celtic players so far. Hopefully it's a general malaise and not an indication of our supply line to the first team.
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Never mind Cuellar there's more important things.
Where are my golf clubs ?
You looking for a cake Oldtim67 ?
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Trappatonis Opinion Of Massimo Donati
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Read that earlier Noel, interesting stuff from probably the most experienced manager in the game today.
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albert_kidd.
No thanks.I have'nt got many teeth and theres not a sweet tooth among them.
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Стахановец
I watched both games and found the performances embarrassing.
I noted young Mc.Glinchey criticising the manager, Archie Gemmell, for his tactics and team selection, and I agree with him.
I think the team's display was reminiscent of much of Celtic's form of last season and for the same reason.
The difference from the Scotland team that did so well in the under 19's last year and this team is in the midfield.
Last year they had Grant and Ferry, this year, they don't.
As a result, Gemmell played an ultra cautious midfield, with full backs and centre halfs playing there instead of creative players.
Mc.Glinchey and to a lesser extent Conroy, suffered because of this.
As with Celtic, the stodgy midfield not only starved the strikers of support, but also put the defence under undue pressure, where Cuthbert did himself no favours. Playing him at right back in the second game was a mistake of Caldwellian proportions.
Most of Mc.Glinchey's anger derived from the fact that he wanted to use this tournament as a springboard for his Celtic prospects and he was denied this opportunity due to the ineptitude of a nonentity of a manager.
Fox must be a poor keeper if he couldn't displace Mc.Neil.
However, in my opinion, it is another example of Celtic players being misused and professionaly abused by the SFA.
Why do we bother.
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Losing Gemmell
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Noel.
Interesting article and good reading if your a Celtic supporter.
But he did look the part on Thursday night.
As I said in an earlier post I'm looking forward to see Massimo and Scottie playing together.
Brown was outstanding in Basle,And Donati was'nt far behind.
Its a pity they did'nt play together,but its something to look forward to.
Outstanding is maybe the wrong word to use,but he will be an outstanding player for us,and I say that with confidence.
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OldTim67: perhaps keeping Brown & Donati apart on Thursday was part of the bigger picture, pre-season has seemed to be a problem for us in the last couple of years and we need to peak perfectly for our CL qualifier.
I get the feeling nothing is being left to chance this year.
Trap's comments were nice.
("They are up there near the very top of European football, on a par with the Italian, English and Spanish sides.
I definitely think they can go to the quarter-final stage. They reached the last 16 last year and only lost to a great team like AC Milan.")
It's always good when someone from the continent tells everyone else something WE already know!
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As Tom did I watched both games with some anticipation.
I was also intrigued to gauge how the players compared with other national counterparts especially after the relative success in the Euro championship.
Having spent the last three or four seasons watching the youth teams in Scotland develop into much more technically oriented and sophisticated units than has been the case in the past, here was a perfect opportunity to measure real progress.
Unfortunately... well here are the the three e-mails I sent to Richard Gordon and co over the course of the two games.
He was kind enough to read them out.
Game 1 v Japan.
Dear Richard and Murdo,
That was disappointing on more levels than Dante’s vision of hell.
Firstly, can you not get the synchronisation between Telly and Radio working so as I can listen to Radio and watch the goggle box. If I try that at the moment the timing is so far out that Archie Gemmill still has hair. Having said that even the television commentary was a split second ahead of the pictures. Einstein would be intrigued!
Secondly, as a regular attendee at u19 and reserve games throughout Scotland I know that these players can play fast 1-2, possession based skilful football.
The coaches at club level seem to have adopted a fairly progressive, technical and adventurous approach to our football development. But at international level Archie and Tommy are still trying to play a route-1, kick and chase travesty of the passing game that Scotland gave to the world. They should be embarrassed at their naivety and lack of vision.
Last but not least, the Cawarra wine from Australia with its red berry and chocolate fragrance is rotten. More like Beri beri to be honest.
£4.58 wasted!
Oh and by the way, Calum Elliot demonstrated that his skill is drowned by his talent for petulance and cynicism!
Still I can guarantee that the wine will be better in mid-week.
Regards etc
Game 2 v Nigeria
Dear Richard et al,
There is an old joke that the first sign of madness is seeing Suggs coming up your garden path.
I thought that I had rivalled it as I struggled from my bed and for a brief moment wondered if I should put a second coat of paint on the bathroom wall or watch Scotland playing football.
I did neither.
What I did see was a selection that was clear in its intention, but lent little to the capabilities available within the squad, was founded upon very little of the natural skills encouraged throughout Scottish youth football in the last few seasons, and most damningly incorporated none the lessons from the battering we absorbed against Japan.
We ignored our innate talents against Japan and tried to out-muscle them and pound them with the high ball and suicidal massed charges.
Japan played around us, over us and through us.
Today we varied our approach by guess what; trying to beat Nigeria by playing players who were bigger than the opposition. Unfortunately we forgot to play players in their natural positions, in a formation that they were comfortable with, and instead set out with partnerships that reminded me of the synergy of Jekyll and Hyde.
I was sadly reminded most of all, of the halcyon days of Bertie and his cheeky boys; the madness I had contemplated suddenly collapsed into a morass of sadness.
This is a generation of young footballers who at international level are being sold short.
In sporting terms it is another all too typical waste of natural resources and abilities.
My despondency was exemplified by the TV ’expert’ who made two key observations:
“you have to remember, many of the Nigerian players are athletes”
“this is 100% better than against Japan, and I believe we are well capable of beating Costa Rica”!
Heaven help us!
Can I just suggest that if you put out a team with no naturally creative midfield players, you will naturally not create anything in midfield.
Right where’s that paint brush.
Regards etc
And finally
following Archie Gemmill's post match interview
Apologies to Bertie Vogts!
After those comments, we are coached by Bertie Wooster.
We never gave the players a chance to show what they were capable of and that was down to Archie and Tommy.
The players will only blossom when they play in their best positions, utilising an approach and attitude that has made huge strides at the Youth level.
After the two games all I can sadly say is that I still don't know how the players compare with their counterparts in other nations.
I can however guarantee that at a coaching level we are two sackings behind and that is unforgivable.
Hail Hail
Estadio
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thegreentrumpet.
I've no problem with them not playing together,I thought that gordon had chosen to play them separately but it would have been nice to have seen them together,maybe tomorrow.
Trappatoni maybe should have said about Donati not gatting a game in the Milan team was, who could they have dropped to accommodate Donati.Milan has a great team and Donati would have struggled to displace anyone in that team.
All I can say is I'm really glad we've got him to compliment Scott Brown,what a partnership in the making.
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Estadio,
Your comments display an unusual level of insight. Slightly off point, do you think that Scotland would have performed more impressively if they had either started training earlier or had Grant and Ferry available? Or do you think the adoption of Jackie Charlton's international tactics would have negated either or both?
Scott Brown is a soccer genius.
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OT67: agreed. The midfield seems full of potential - and a central midfield partnership with balance, where understanding is allowed to grow, is something we have missed.
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Celtic will have a job on their hands re-installing confidence in the bhoys on u-20's duty. They can't come home quickly enough.
The tactics and team selection have been shambolic - as Estadio has described vividly above, we have been totally found wanting.
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Hi Paul,
Did you want Mr Cuellar for your own team? Or are you worried that he will do your team some damage next season? Somehow if Mr Lawell had managed to get a player for Celtic at half his release price I suspect there would be a slightly different angle played up. Perhaps it's just that after seeing your own expensive signings flop last season you feel that anyone with decent money payed for them must fail to come up to scratch. On this one I think I trust Mr Smith's opinion on the player and feel he will be more than worth his fee and will help us take the title next season.
I'm sure there are more than a few readers and contibutors to the site that will feel I'm completely wrong in this but with us having what I feel is the better manager and an improved squad from last season, added to the fact that there wont be a huge early season point gap like under Mr Le Guen plus the fact that in two head to head meetings Rangers under Mr Smith have come out on top I see a narrow point victory for Rangers in the title.
BTW I'd like to repeat my earlier offer of a wager to anyone on CQN, how about a basic 10 pounds plus a pound per point difference, whoevers team wins the title picks the charity for the money to go to.
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Ed
have you been drinking?
Peat whowantstoknow
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Hi EdUrsus,
Mr Cuellar - did he play for Osassuna against your team?
I didn't see the games, did he catch the eye?
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In China there is a wonderful old proverb:
Qing chu yu lan er shen yu lan
It is used by professors at university to inspire students.
It means:
The colour green comes from the colour blue, but it is the stronger of the two.
Using the proverb, professors challenge their students to aspire to be the colour green.
Hail Hail
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Estadio.
That was good reading,enjoyed every word written (or typed) and true about the sound not co-ordinating with the vision,you would think they could have rectified that.
After reading your eloquent posts I feel that you put me to shame.
My only excuse is I'm like a little school boy thats just re turned to school after a fifty three year absence and trying to play catchup.
Relearning my grammer, where to put the old full stops and commas, although after reading a lot of the posts on here I should'nt worry so much
There are a number of good posters on here,to many to mention but yours I enjoy reading most.
Hope I've not offended anyone by picking you as the best poster on the blog.
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Ed
quote from Cuellar in one of Fridays papers...
"Im a huge fan of Tina Turner, and when I heard the Rangers fans singing one of her songs after our UEFA cup game, I thought to myself, this is the team for me, Id love to get a video of that"
Apparently he has yet to acquaint himself with YouTube!
Peat
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OT67: I was just about to head off for the evening, but had to comment on your last post.
Estadio's comments put the rest of cqn in the shade, but yours are also priceless. I really enjoy reading them.
Keep the opinions, the memories, and your sense of perspective, coming.
Hail Hail.
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Hi fellow celts, saw the Nigeria game up in Victoria, first of all the goalie was terrible, fat rebounds, and mis kicks,how he got a second game i dont know, its a shame the Celtic bhoys were injured, the climate , and fan support was on their side,....concur with estadio..on many points,,looking forward to denver..
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Peat :- I have had a couple of glasses of Mr Daniels finest, though even without a drink I still think we will win :-) On your second point I find it sad that what could have been a great song at games was hijacked with sectarian add ons. Hopefully as time passes more and more fans will think pro Rangers and if they want anti Celtic rather than pro Rangers anti Catholic.
TGT :- To be honest I couldn't remember until I read it I don't remember him having a great game against us.
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Edward.
your probably right in saying that there wont be as big a difference in the points total this season.
We were gifted points by half your team not trying a leg for their manager last season,but you still would'nt have won the league with no unrest in the dressing room.
Hearts showed you how its done when players rebel against their club.Will Rangers do the same,I doubt it.
If it happened at Celtic Park I would like to think Celtic would have done the same as Hearts,I go with the old saying,NO PLAYER IS BIGGER THAN THE CLUB.
They should have been shown the door immediately.
There was'nt much in the papers about that little fiasco either.
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OldTim67 :- I agree with you on that and said so at the time, much as Mr Le Guen had to go Mr Ferguson should have been out the door as well, to be honest I think he is still not trusted by the higher ups at Ibrox. As you say no player is bigger than the club and if you allow one to act as if he is then you get the chaos that took place at Ibrox last season.
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Edward .
Dont take that post as personal,I believe that the next manager,ie Wattie, should have punished the players,he better watch his back.
they've set a precedent,which I hope others do'nt follow.
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Tom, Estadio:
Good players certainly do not always make great coaches. Funnily enough, are Rangers not signing the other half of this managerial 'dream team' (sorry for bringing back the memories!) after the World Cup is over?
We really need to thrash Costa Rica to stand any chance of a third place progression, but from what I read of the squad, there are five midfielders and that is it? Madness. We will be lucky to get the wooden spoon and a conciliatory round of applause.
I was watching the DPRK vs Argentina game tonight on Eurosport, and a comment was made about what influences a country to produce great players. Coaching, facilities, training were all mentioned, then the commentator hit the nail on the head - Culture and attitude.
The DPRK might be one of the poorest countries in the world, but they makes sure that their citiziens exercise from a young age, that they see it as part of their lives, and that they are disciplined and focused. And while they do not claim many honours at full international level, their youth teams are consistent performers. It is the same with Argentina and Brazil. The young of the country love the game, it is all they want to do in life, who needs an ego and a weekend on the town when you can kick a ball about and enjoy the beautiful game.
Until we can produce kids who embody the beautiful game, and are educated as well as coached throughout their career, we are likely to consistently lag behind.
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OldTim67 :- That did worry me a bit as well, however I don't think players would get away from it under Mr Smith. Although I was against his return at the time I think he was brought into to steady things and with his own history at Ibrox is in a far more powerful position than his predecessor. He has impressed me with the way he has went about things and I feel fairly confident for next season. That doesn't mean much lol as I was feeling a lot more confident at the start of last season.
To any of the night shift still around, night folks
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Edward.
I was going to take you up on your wager,as I like to have a wee flutter now and again.
The only problem is I've never had a bet on Celtic in my life.
I started to watch Celtic in 1953 and I was gambling when I was ten,my father liked a wee bet and I used to take his bets to the bookies runner which we had in those days,my perk for doing it, was a wee bet for myself.
I was never told it was illegal and these bookies runners were always getting raided by the polis,my father would think that if I got caught what could they do to a ten year old.
I started to stray a bit there.
My point is when the football coupons came into being, I felt at the time I was an unlucky gambler,and me being a fanatical Celtic supporter I would'nt bet on Celtic in case they got beat,I could'nt forgive myself If I made Celtic lose.
Hence never had a bet on celtic in my life,I could sleep at night knowing it was'nt my fault when they were beaten,and they were gubbed a lot in those days.
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good night Paul, posters, lurkers,Tims,and edward.
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Edward, I will certainly take you up on the offer of your wager. Not because we may be poles apart in the desired outcome but that others may benefit from it.
Might i suggest that any money gathered from your offer be given to a cause that CQN has been involved in, that being Glasgow the Caring City.
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Only read the lead article. I take issue with your last 2 paragraphs.
I'm sorry Paul/Kev but I don't understand the point of your post.
It is SFA to do with us what and how rfc conduct their business, shallow or foul, con, half-truth or fact.
I'm sick of people being obsessed with what rfc do. We have to concentrate on ourselves and get it done on the park; it's being done off.
Hysteria about Scotland's most recently sworded and what goes on, allegedly, behind the scenes only affects us if we can't beat them on grass at will, home and away.
WHO SAYS Cuellar was worth 3-4-6 million????? A bottom half Spanish club have a player of this value and nobody in the top half pick him up? The same said Scottish press we criticise everyday?
Like Ritgers, never bleedin' heard of him until 2 weeks ago or less and if he was worth 4mill+ NO TEAM would sell for 2.
Some people are getting hysterical in their hatred obsessions. Sorry, but CQN is living up to its reputation and becoming a laughing stock with this crap.
Hail Hail.
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I agree with a lot of what sdstim says. I think the tone of the article is all wrong.
What is being said about Cuellar looks to my untrained eye exactly the same stuff written by media huns about our own Massimo Donnati. I've enjoyed the start of the transfer window as much as the next man and its always good to laugh at der hun but I dont believe we have reached a stage yet where we can ridicule a signing they make when,if we're honest, we know very little about him.
He may turn out to be cobblers but then again so might Donnatti.
I am pleased with the way we went about our business in the first couple of weeks of the transfer window and the signing of Brown in particular. However in my opinion we desperately need a top class forward and an experienced centre half. If Collie etc are to be believed and we've no more money in the pot for a forward then I believe we will struggle.
You could argue that a new more dynamic midfield will yield more goals from that department and create more chances for the strikers but I dont buy that. It depressed me somewhat to see Kenny Miller doing his headless chicken against Basle and if we're all honest I think we all applauded the MacDonald and Killen signings in the context that they would be back-up to a better option.
Also seeing Pressley with the captains armband was not what I had imagined team 3 to look like. I thought we'd seen the last of him in defence as he was one of the poorer performers at the tail end of last season, and thats saying something.
We've started to recoup the money we shelled out on Brown and Donatti and I hope and pray that a top clas striker is still on the radar.
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Стахановец
For some of us involved in coaching youth players in this country it has been obvious for a long time what is lacking. Facilities are atrocious but I suspect change is on its way. Political pressure is slowly building to correct this and the SFA are at least now working in the right direction. But as you say the biggest issue is culture.
Our football watching public is in general pretty uneducated about the game (time to get the hard hat on)and as a result just begs the media to serve up cliched tosh. When was the last time you heard an informed analysis of a match? WGS on Match of The Day 2 some time back springs to mind.
Kids playing the game, even those destined for the elite levels, are coached in the main by volunteer coaches. The self same platitude fodder mentioned above. My experience is that the a number (I reckon a good majority) of these coaches are extremely poor and that the Scott Browns of this world acheive what they do in spite of these characters rather than because of them. I am not filled with great hope by what I watch each week. We may be on our way to improving facilities etc but the coaching culture, if it is progressing is doing so at such a slow rate that the competition is still pulling away from us.
Woeismecsc
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Aw naw 18.41 last thread
Druiddude is correct if you read the next post after yours.
I regard Wim Jansen as a success.I thought that he would fail.
I was pointing out one of my many poorer prediction's
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Edward - You have another bet here.
Half-time betting ?
This would be paid right after we 'pile on the agony' at the New Year's game.
You may have to hedge your bets soon. In a two horse race the charities will be the real winners anyway.
Prediction - Celtic by 8 points on 02/01/2008 = £18 to GTCC .
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The Stats on Cuellar...............
Provided by jOE tHE lARGE
Carlos Cuéllar
Full name. Carlos Javier Cuéllar
Date of birth August 23, 1981 (1981-08-23) (age 25)
Place of birth, Madrid, Spain
Height 1.90 m (6 ft 3 in)
Playing position Centre back
Club information
Current club Rangers F.C.
Number 25
Senior clubs1
Years Club App (Gls)*
2000–2001, Calahorra, 0
2001–2003, Numancia, 62 (4)
2003–2007, Osasuna, 64 (2)
BigJoewhoISENTshakingInHisFlipFlops
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Is it wrong that I feel so excited about watching another pre-season friendly tonight? First silverware of the season if we beat Young Boys!
That will send me to sleep happy, and then I jet off on holiday on Sunday...
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Mactheknife
Well said. Your point about people the quality of coaching is spot-on.
I wonder how many excellent footballers have been lost to the game because of this.
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On this day in 1980 messrs Plant,Page,Jones and Bonham appeared live onstage for the last time,when they completed their European tour in Berlin.
When you look at why some players fail to make it,I think that a lot of the time they fail to realise that talent is not enough.It is clearly important but will only get you so far.Self-discipline and perseverance are just as important.
I don't know how god or bad the facilities in Scotland are but can't believe they are worse than in West Africa.
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Paul67
I'll repeat what I posted yesterday about Carlos Cuellar
`Just got a text from a contact in Spain who is an Osasuna fan (Celtic too), he says Carlos Cuellar is an execlent player who is too good for the Huns.
Says he is good in the air, hard but not dirty, very fast and that he'll do well for them. he said that Valencia were after him and that he wished that we had got him.'
I hope he is wrong but I trust his judgement, esp. as he was the only person I know who was saying that TG wasn't a good signing for us.
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Celtic memorabilia.
In 1894,Celtic built the first-ever press box at Celtic Park.
Other teams throughout the United Kingdom would later follow Celtic's pioneering example to bring football news to the community.
Another first for Celtic, although the Press now habitually moan at the press conditions at Celtic Park.
Good enough for the rags.
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Building a press box at CP-more evidence that no good deed shall go unpunished
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QUOTE.
"You could take all the derby matches in the world,and put them all together and they still would'nt equal one-millionth of the old firm.There's nothing like it.
Paulo Di Canio, 2000
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dbbia -
"I don't know how god or bad the facilities in Scotland are but can't believe they are worse than in West Africa."
In west Africa there are no facilities. I have worked in Cote d'Ivoire, Nigeria, Congo & Angola. The monies that these very rich nations should have accrued, has been diverted and stolen by incompetent, thieving governments over the years - a bit like Scotland and Westminster in other words.
I have seen some very skillful kids, bare-footed, playing in their spare time on pitches with only very sparse grass trying in vain to establish itself in the red African earth. However, like a lot in the world, amd the majority in that continent, they have no future, despite their dreams. Didier Drogba, Bobo and their like are the exception.
The people are wonderful in the most, I remember once in Abidjan, being surrounded by a "mob" and thinking "oh-oh, there may be trouble here!". Then they started chanting "Celtic, Celtic, Tebily, Tebily". I was wearing the Hoops, and they were reminding me that we had Olivier Tebily in our squad!
Curly
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QUOTE.
"It is up to us,to everyone at Celtic Park,to build up our own legends.
We don't want to live with history,to be compared with legends from the past.
We must make new legends."
JOCK STEIN,after first winning the league with Celtic,May 1966.
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on cuellar
how come only 64 games in 4 seasons at osasuna?
hail hail
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QUOTE.
"Scottish goalkeepers are supposed to be bad enough,but an Irish keeper in Scotland...I just had to go out and prove everyone wrong,"
Pat Bonner
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Don’t know 2 much about……………
The peanut hugging form of football……………..
BUT…………………………………
S- Africa by 7 points to nil……………………..
On the seventh day………………………
of the 7th month…………………….
Of the 7th year………………….
Etc……………………………….ect
bIGjOEwhoThoughtYOUmightwant2KNOW
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QUOTE.
"It was about 75 degrees:it would have burned a hole in your head.
We did'nt think about that because when we got the ball we wanted to run and skin them."
JIMMY JOHNSTONE,on the 1967 European Cup final
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Celtic 27 Rangers 0
Some classic goals in there.
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QUOTE.
"Celtic Football Club is the fans,without them there is no club."
Paul McStay
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QUOTE.
"The manager has instilled an unbelievable air of confidence in us.
He makes you play better and he makes you want to win.
He's got an awful will to win and he has transmitted that to the players."
Paul Lambert,after Celtic's6-2 victory over Rangers in Martin o'Neill's first old firm match as Celtic manager,August 2000
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QUOTE.
"I did'nt think he knew what he was going to do next,so what chance did the opposition have?"
Tommy Gemmell on Jimmy Johnstone ,1995
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ArdRi1014 :- Thanks, I think that would be a good recipient of the wager although if you don't mind me saying so I hope it's you ho pays out :-) My guess is it will cost you around 15 pounds.
AlbertKid :- Fair enough you are on (licks his thumb and rubs yours) The same conditions to be appled the day after the new year game. If you have no objections how about the same recipient as ArdRi suggested?
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Quote.
"I used to sleep with the ball.The first thing I'd do every morning was see if it was there.Football was your outlet.You had nothing else."
Jimmy Johnstone,in 1995,on growing up in Viewpark,Uddingston
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QUOTE.
"This may sound blase,but you get used to things like that.You don't even notice the size of the crowd really.I think yuo'd notice more if there was hardly anyone there."
Bobby Lennox,on playing in front of 110,000 at the Bernabeu Stadium in Celtic's European Cup quarter-final second leg with Real Madrid in March 1980
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Curly @ 11.11
I loved the image of you in the hoops being surrounded by the children chanting "Celtic,Tebily".
The fanzine Not the View used to organise the collection of Celtic gear (and footballs) for African kids.I have seen photos of the image you describe usually where Irish missionaries have disbursed Celtic gear.
The Guardian ,some weeks ago,published an articled pointing out that even if the markets of the wealthy nations was opened on a fair basis to the African nations that it would be of little benefit unless the scandal of off shore banking was tackled.
Apparantly a huge portion of these accounts is money skimmed off by corrupt African politicans and business men to the impovershment of the host nations.
As a Celtic supporter I am aware that sport is the one arena where the poorest can successfully challange the sense of superiority that wealth and power can foster.
I have always admired players like Bobo who make it a point of playing for their national side.I did not need to experience the Charlton era to understand the uplift to spirit that sporting achievement can engender.Correcting the political ills of a society ,I understand,is a slower and more difficult process.
Efforts by the more wealthy nations to restrict access to players in Europe by the national teams must resonate badly with people who have experienced slavery in the recent past.
Ps If Mr Angry reads this (re Irish missionaries) I do undersatnd the arguement that such activity is part of the imperialst enterprise.
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QUOTE.
"My only regret is that the team after the Lions never played long enough because we might have equalled what they had done in Europe.We were getting to semi-finals and we had'nt reached our peak."
David Hay on Celtic's young players of the early 1970s
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Spare a thought for us ML3ers
12000 tango heids are presently 'marching' through Hamilton, with assorted sons and daughters of william flanking either side, cheering a hearty hooray for the assembled battalions.
The air is infused of goodwill you can cut the air with it.
Palpable.
U.
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"I'm often asked how this Rangers team compares with the Lisbon Lions.I have to be honest and say I think it would be a draw but,then,some of us are getting on for 60."
Bertie Auld,in 1993,after Rangers had reached the group stage of the Champions League for the first time
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"The best player of them all for me was Paul McStay.He was the bandleader;he conducted the orchestra.Always available to take the ball,he'd never hide;he had feet like Fred Astaire."
John Hughes,Celtic defender who joined the club in 1995,on his team-mate of the time
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Druiddude
Interesting post, but let me be the first to challenge your view of the motivation of missionaries who went to Africa (specifically from Ireland at least).
The ones I have heard speak or have read about were driven by something as high above imperialism and political expansionism as the heavens are above the earth.
"Go out to the whole world and teach all peoples …" (Mt.28:19).
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"We knew, within ourselves,our own ability and we started to believe in ourselves but never,ever,thought for one minute that we would win the European Cup."
Jimmy Johnstone,in 1995,on the players assessment of their chances of winning the European Cup at the start of the 1966-67 season
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Celtic First,
Well said ,sir. It is too easy to be put on the defensive re anything to do with the church, especially coming from supporters of a club with our origins.
Sometimes we don't just have to defend ourselves from our establishment enemies, which is ironic.
I think there is a henge missing one of it's followres :>)
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* followers.
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QUOTE.
"We won and we won on merit.This win gives us more satisfaction than anything.I can still hardly believe its true."
Jock Stein on Celtic's famous victory over Milan
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"I've now had the honour to stand in the middle of the pitch as manager of the champions and that was emotional.We make no claims about being a great footballing side,but people can't take away the fact that we are 20 points in front at the top of the league and want to get better and better.I can't believe it.As Celtic manager you can make millions of people happy and it's a great thing to be able to do."
Gordon Strachan,on clinching the Scottish League title with a 1-0 win against Hearts on 5 April 2006
No more Quotes (Is that cheers I hear in the distance)
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Old Tim67
I for one have enjoyed the quotes.
Thank you.
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Oldtim67 your quote from Bertie, 12:23, class pure class. :o)
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Celtic First/Tom the Tim
Thank you both for the response.
I phrased the statement in the fashion I did to allow space for the acknowledgement of the integrity and idealism of so many of the missionary personnel.
I felt it necessary to acknowledge the opposing view(i.e.anti missionary) lest I be guilty of pointing out the speck in my brother`s eye (economic expoitation) while not recognising the bream in my own.(soul murder).
I recall reading Carl Jungs biography Memories,Dreams Reflections many years ago.Early in the 1900s he visited Africa and was particularly interested in discussing with the medicine men the content of the dreams that the people brought to them.
He was told that the people had now no need for dreams since the white man came.As far as I know in acknowledging what was happening Jung retained his own strong (if unorthodox) Protestant faith.However a friend of his Richard Wilhelm went to China as a missionary and to Jung`s amusement never converted anybody to Christianity but became a Toaist(and translated the Taoist text Secret of the Golden Flower) although I believe Jung was pleased when Wilhelm reverted before his death
At any rate I do believe that one`s attitude to the matter hinges on whether one believes in God in the first instance and in Christianity in the second.
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Bream? Lot of cod more likely
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Someone mention "Moonbreams" ?
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But why be specific about Irish missionaries Druiddude? Since when has Ireland had imperialist ambitions?
The Lord blessed Ireland with thousands upon thousands of vocations in the twentieth century. Peter Mullan and plenty of others have shown that not all of them were worthy of the calling or the cloth; in fact many were not.
That happened, and Catholic people the world over are still coming to terms with it.
I also realise of course that the Church had an unusually important and unhealthy influence over the running of Ireland itself. This too has changed and the change has, again, been difficult for many to come to terms with.
But we're talking about missionaries, men and women who have sacrificed every earthly comfort to devote themselves to the poorest and most marginalised people in the world.
As Pope John Paul II said when he visited Ireland in 1979, the entire Church, the whole world, in fact, owes an immense debt to the tiny island that produced these amazing people.
I felt that your earlier post fell short of being entirely fair to them and I wanted to speak up for them.
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Celtic First.
I mentioned Irish missionaries because it is a matter of great pride to me ,as an Irish person and a Celtic supporter that they associate the name of our club with the great work they do in teaching and caring for the sick.
However Celtic fan base is a broad church and i suspect that people who do not believe in God would take the view that the good these maen do is subordinate to harm they do in disseminating the Christian faith.
The old religion is the opiate of the people view.
I think at the heart of the matter is the consideration whether ,in this instance,the Catholic Church is a greater force for good or ill.
I would think that even people who believe in the divine mission of the Catholic Church are aware that many would argue that the Church historically has done more harm than good.
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Hamilton claims poll………………………….
Surely with a name like Hamilton……….
He must be Scottish????????????
BigJoewhoThinksHamiltonISaJOCK
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Druiddude
1. Men and women.
2. I totally refute the "more harm than good" argument, regardless of how many people hold that view.
To respond to the command to go out to the whole world and teach all peoples cannot be to do them harm.
Interesting discussion by the way.
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Bertie Auld relates the story of a confrontation with referee 'Tiny' Wharton.
Auld 'If I called you a ******* would you send me off ?
Wharton 'Yes'
Auld 'If I thought you were a ******* would you send me off ?
Wharton 'No, I can't send you off for what you're thinking'
Auld 'Well I think you're a *******
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Celticfirst/TomtheTim :- If you don't mind a total non believer joining in. While many christian (not only catholic) missionaries may have been good people a look at the history of christianity shows a religion that was happy to burn, stab, strangle, hang, drown and enslave peoples who dared to disagree with the received word. I honestly don't see any difference between the crown slaughtering a people because they wouldn't submit and an auto da fe burning or a witch burning imposed on people because they wouldn't submit to the perceived doctrine. Each would approach a people and say our way is right and if you don't agree you die or get enslaved.
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Ulysses,
I have just been to Asda Hamilton and it was empty, I wondered why and then I heard the bands.
Could not drive out the Bothwell Road because of the crowds.
Oldtim,
More quotes please, I loved them, as I also loved Tobi's.
Tim, will look forward to meeting you at Aberdour.
Cheers,
Martin.
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EU,
I get it. Now I know why your enlightened, champion of the downtrodden and heathen mob wouldn't hire one.
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Quite correct..men and women.
On Rte radio and Tv in recent years there has been a number of programmes about teams of irish workers going to the shanty towns bulding houses with running water and electricity for the poor.
Although it is never explicitly stated what motivates these workers I would be surprised if many were not impelled by a concept of Christian charity.
At any rate whatever the reason for their actions i`m sure the Christian perspective would be "that by doing it for the least of my brethern you do it for me".
Incidently I have seen some football jerseys (Offaly`s with the national colours) worn by these men but not the Celtic strip.
Perhaps the missionaries might devote some attention to remedying this defect.
As for the belief in God ,I remember many moons ago when i was an apprentice Druid and learning to spell as poorly as i do, reading Bertrand Russells book "Why I am not a Christian".
Included in the book was a transcript of a BBC discussion between Mr Russell and a Fr Copleston SJ on the existance of God.
At the time .being very sure of what I did not believe in,I was confident that mr Russell would easily prevail.I knew nothing then about Fr Copelston but I suppose I should habve known that they would sent a more compentant oppontent than Fr Jack to joust with Mr Russell.At any rate to my chagrin I had to acknowledge that Fr Copelston seemed to get the better of the debate.I suppose in mature judgement I would say it is a more difficult task to proove a negative than a positive.It left me with the conviction the only thing more foolish than trying to proove the exixtance of God is trying to proove that he does not exist....but keep the faith
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There was a time when Celtic was interested in a transfer of the young Legia striker.
Dawid Janczyk yesterday
Pitty that our U-20 teams can't meet in Canada, but I will keep my fingers crossed for your team.
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TomTheTim :- You are changing the argument there, my views apply to all religion not only christianity or any particular doctrine of it. As far as the policy at Ibrox went I have condemned it for a long time now. My point was that an imperialist power whether religious or secular imposes their own views backed up with massive violence and brook no opposition.
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