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Second?
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Shoorly not... first!
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danny
Here is the answer on your question from the previous article.
You're not too harsh. Zurawski is my bigest dissapointment of the previous season.
I'm sure he understands he's walking on the thin ice. Our last NT games shown that he's not unquestionable star. If he fails for Celtic he will be finished for Don Leo Benhakker.
One week ago I read that he's going nowhere and wants to recover from all the problems. He also said that nobody suggested in Celtic that he should look for another club.
Maciej explained why he did not play in London. He got an unserious injury in Swiss.
"Now everything is Okay, I fly to USA. I know how important are these friendly games for me. Gordon Strachan suggested that he counts on me. Still I can be a player of the first IX. I'm very, very mustered".
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I think a league involving the top two in Scotland, Portugal, Belgium and the Netherlands would work well.
If the SPL and the other leagues agree they can slim down their domestic leagues to two rounds of 11 games, we could still play domestic league games every other week, with a total of 36 games a season (14 in the regional league, 22 domestic).
Could even fit in a second division of the regional league.
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bit of a switch Paul I was still digging on your last article. Still that can simmer and stew.
Reading your article, don't you think that UEFA might get there noses out of joint.
Don't get me wrong, I really do think that the power of commerce will one day dictate regionalised european leagues and I for one look forward to the day.
Just think this patch belongs to UEFA.
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maybe when we join an atlantic league we might see a wow signing .
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zbyszek
Thanks for the reply. Zurawski is saying the right things I suppose. I wonder if any team will come in for him.
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Multi national leagues are an inevitability. Football has always been played between clubs who found it convenient to travel. Queens Park refused to play the then Ayr club in the late 1860s on the grounds of distance and cost. We moved to inter city leagues (basically Edinburgh and Glasgow clubs) then national leagues by the end of that century.
Now that it is easier and probably cheaper for me to see Celtic away to Ajax rather than Aberdeen (no car and would not use a coach in a fit), then the last stumbling block is gone.
I would have thought a 14 team domestic division giving 26 matches can coexist with and feed a pan-national division of say 12 clubs providing 22 games. That's 48 league games and entry into a knock out part of the Champions' League and UEFA Cup, so a successful team might play 60 matches in a season.
Make it so UEFA.
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I'd quite like to see Rangers join a Balkan league !
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We can only hope that moves for a European league system come about. I'm sure there are a million different ways it could be structured and a lot of negotiation would be required between the associations of the various countries.
And that's where we might have a problem.
If we agree that the "big" European leagues would not be involved, that takes out Spain, Italy, England France and Germany. Now if we are to look at an Atlantic League, as was previously talked about, we could be looking at Holland, Portugal, Belgium etc.
Now what if Scotland was only offered one place in the league. Would Mr Smith and the SFA agree to such an arrangement??
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Gordon_J
What if it were by invitation only would we give a monkeys about Walter and his affiliated associates.
Think, you'd never have to swallow that OF tag ever again.
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Gordon_J
Without a shadow of a doubt if it were to stop 10 in a row....
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Just a thought,
Do Carlsberg sponsor crooks?....
No didn't think so.
Wonder what would be said if Carling were asked the same question?
Just a thought.
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Me & a few mates were talking recently about the amount of big European clubs who like ourselves are financially up against & enjoy sporadic success or have simply dissappeared off the radar altogether:
Steau Bucharest, Red Star Belgrade, St Etienne, IFK Gothenberg, Malmo, Sparta Prague, Vodjividina, Fernecvaros, Benfica, Ajax, Feyenoord, Moscow Dynamo, Dynamo Kiev & many more
I can't understand why these clubs can't get together to seriously make a proposal to UEFA. The other puzzle for me is that FIFA/UEFA know there is an imbalance in European competition & are aware that all these clubs with a previous pedigree in the game are being left to rot.
Bring back the Underdog!
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If this 'Atlantic League' coexisted alongside the current Champions League its games would be little more than glorified friendlies.
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VargasShampoo
Come on own up you deliberately left them off your list didn't you/
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The Nordic countries (Denmark, Sweden, Norway) already have a winter league - the Royal League - that is the first supra-national club competition officially licensed by UEFA. Enlargement is being considered (Finland, Iceland). So a precedent has been set.
PSV Eindhoven, who first put forward the idea of an Atlantic League, are pressing for regionalisation of the Champions League, as a forerunner of some kind of Euro league. Apparently they keep in touch with Celtic and Fraudsters FC on this issue.
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Some titbits from today's Metro :
Headlice - Darcheville Up For Battle As Gers Lose In Germany
Pic - Friendly fire: Yankov and Darchevile are separated by referee Florian Meyer last night.
Excerpt from match report by Bryan Young :-
Jean-Claude Darcheville came close to seeing red in a furious bust-up at the AMD Arena last night. The former Bordeux attacked reacted angrily after he was hauled down by Hannover midfielder Chavdar Yankov. Rangers' new boy pushed the Bulgarian with both hands in front of referee Florian Meyer. However both players escaped with a yellow card.
Jim Jeffries on 'Naisy' : " I've resigned myself to the fact Stevie is going.....If Rangers do agree on a fee i think he would go there. "
World Cup Ghost Haunts JJB Sports
The 2006 World Cup is proving as much of a painful memory for sports retailer JJB Sports as for England football fans, a year after it finished. Although the tournament boosted the company's total revenue last year, it meant figures for the 24 weeks to July 15 this year fell 3.9 per cent. Like-for-like revenues were also down 4.1 per cent but translated into a modest 1.4 per cent increase when World Cup replica products were excluided. Income from other products and its health clubs and soccer centres was up 20.8 per cent.
Most papers including damn-them-with-faint-praise Darnyll Narrowhand are carrying Scott Brown related but the Metro goes with Kenny Miller
" Until I'm told I've got to go somewhere, I'm happy to be here. Hopefully I can fight my way into the team because this year we have a fantastic squad. If you score goals you stay in the team. we have a lot of forwards but everybody has a clean slate at the start of the season. "
One from Naka on the Asian Cup semi v Australia " It will be crucial to stop Viduka. this match is the real final. "
One from Big Bad John on Big Unbad Craig Beattie : " Craig was unfortunate at Celtic as he wasn't able to string a run of games together. The opportunity is here for him. He plays on people's shoulders, he's got fantastic pace and he's a goalscorer. He still needs to work on some parts of his game but he'll improve. He is good at getting in behind defenders and scoring and I told him that this (WBA) is a smashing club that he'll enjoy working for. "
There are some good photos of the labrador that ran in front of the Tour De France cyclist Marcus Burghardt. I wonder what he said as he went asprawling.
WoofwoofGemmell
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Danny you hit the nail right on the head there.
I can't get excited about the idea, but something has to be done to break the monotony of the spl. Domestic football in this country is dying on it's backside.
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Am I the only person that thinks that this is a deliberate bit of mischief-making by FIFA in order to exert more control over UEFA?
Irrespective of that I think that a North European league is a non-starter. Why? I cannot see people being interested. The Balkans (despite its troubles) is a fairly homoegenous region where there is some element of common history (albeit one mired in bloodshed and riven by ethnic tensions). It makes sense that these countries join together for league purposes just the same way it may make sense for leagues within Britain to club together (if there was any desire for this on the part of England).
A pan North European league of convenience, whilst being a novelty, would I fear, soon descend into a marginalised side-show (who would you rather beat some third placed Norwegian team away or the mini-Huns at TyneShackle?). Whilst Celtic fans have an appetite for this, I don't necessarily see Dutch or Portuguese fans being particularly enthused by it(look at their attendance at away Champions League clashes for a start).
I think for Celtic it either has to be joining a genuine European league involving all the big guns or a move to the Premiership (at the moment inconceivable). Whilst these remain elusive hopes I think it is back to the dreary reality of visits to Rugby Park.
As for what Varga said earlier, I would love to bring back the underdog. Red Star Belgrade, St Etienne and IFK Gothenburg are teams of real history who have contributed to what the game means to me.
I heard Sam Allardyce bemoaning the fact that if England lost a Champs League place there was no point in Bolton playing as they could never hope to come higher than fourth. Well, Bolton were, are, and will be, a small club who have got pumped up on big league money. They will never have the history of a Red Star; never be thought of by people on the other side of Europe as epitomising something great and exotic; you will never see their vintage strips on eBay for a fortune. That is the curse of the big leagues; they inflict undeserving teams like Chelsea and Bolton on the rest of us. Mediocre non-entities who will disappear as soon as the money dries up.
Having said that, I don't see an Atlantic West European league as the way to bring it back. A two tier Euro league representing all the main population centres (and big clubs rather than big leagues) and we may again see the re-emergence of these clubs.
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kitalba,
I would love it if the new league were invitation only and we, as the premier club in the country, were Scotland's only representative.
But I have a feeling that to be official, like the Scandanavian winter league, it would need to go through the national associations to UEFA and FIFA.
The other problem is what of all the other SPL clubs? Most would know that they have no chance of qualifying for the new league, so why would they want to reduce the number of league games they play?
It's not impossibile to set up, but I do think there are a lot of questions yeat to be answered.
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lying here poolside in the old u s of a, anyboby have any idea what channel the game is on over here, still awaiting wedding photos of grandaughter No 1 to be e-mailed,
hail hail
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If MZ takes a good,hard look at himself then I see no reason why he shouldn't be pushing for a place upfront.
So far the rivals for the positions are:
JVH.Proven quality,worryingly prone to injury.
SMD.First season.Unproven.
CK.First season.Unproven.
DR.Not the manager's pet[allegedly].
So assuming a 5* striker doesn't turn up in this transfer window the only thing stopping MZ making an impact this season is..MZ.
In Scandinavia the Royal League is a bit like the Diddycup used to be-small groups before a knockout stage,rather than a pure league format.
Also the games were to be played at a time when football shuts down for the winter darkness,when the bigger teams can struggle to keep their players match sharp.
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wee shug
ESPN2 Thursday 9.00pm EST
And I am looking forward to it......
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Jeez I forgot wee Gerd Miller.The tablets must be working.
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So...
KM.Jerseyshrinker.Bovine,buttocks and banjo.
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Love-related post on Celticdelia
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add Videoton, Grasshoppers, Brugge, Hamburg, Borussia M'gladbach to the list of forgotten Euro greats.
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I can't get my head around the fact that the television audience in England justifies them being considered a major league.
The money comes from BskyB, which is not an English television company, unlike the French, Italian, German and Spanish national broadcasters.
Just because there are different associations governing the game in these islands, this shouldn't mean that there are second class subscribers to the television companies.
We pay the same rate as English viewers and those who live in GB pay the same licence fee to the BBC.
For UEFA to arbitrarily decide which clubs ,in what I believe is still the UK, receive the bulk of the cash ,is in the first instance, unjust and secondly, possibly open to challenge.
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I think if Magic and BBJVOH both stay injury free and get a string of games together, they will form a decent partnership. I'm a fan of Magic, but I think last year he suffered from the lack of rest in the summer, compounded by injuries. We saw the season before that he was a decent striker and has a good goalscoring record. Its a shame hes not getting a full workout this preseason....
I think Skippy will surprise a few fans and get a few goals.
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F.C Dariusz Danesh were a great team of the 1970s. Whatever happened to them?
By the way (apologies for the title in advance) but Brilliant Orange is a great book on Dutch football from 1960s to the present and would recommend it for anyone looking for a great read whilst sipping Pina Colada on a sun lounger this summer if you've not been away yet.
Any other footballing reads that any CQNers can recommend before I go my hols?
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Tutti Fruiti – you might have a point there – games against the likes of Ajax, Benfica, Feyenoord would be worth making the effort for, but ones against Helsinki, Copenhagen, Anderlecht etc would be rubbish. There would be novelty interest at the start, the standard of football would improve, but long term is it what we really crave?
I suppose we either get into the Premiership or forget about it. The other thing we should really push for is that The Champions League Competition consists solely of teams who have won their domestic league. This nonsense where the top 3 in England, Spain, Germany & Italy qualify is diluting the prestige of the competition, making it near impossible for teams like us to consistently perform & removing the element of surprise where a team like Steau Bucharest or Red Star Belgrade can sting a Juventus or Barcelona. I like your point about Bolton & Chelsea. You can add to that list Portsmouth, Wigan, Blackburn & Middlesborough. Take away their money & they are nothing clubs with no soul.
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Tuttfrutti..
The damned United by David Peace is superb, couldn't put it down. Just bought another Clough book, 25 years by his side by a local journ who knew him pretty well. Havven't tarted that one yet.
Non football- try Ghosts of Spain by Giles Tremlett. Excellent book about Spains regions, past and present and how they get on with each other. Very good read.
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TuttiFrutti -
Tor! by Ulrich Hesse-Lichtenberger - details the rise of german football and the Bundesliga. Excellent book.
Dynamo by Andy Dougan - About the Kiev team whislt under occupation by the SS and the story of their game vs. the luftwaffe (think eascape to victory).
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TuttiFruity the first 2 I read on holiday this year and they were brilliant books. The rest were all recomended by CQNers for me to take with me.
David Peace “The Damned Utd”
Garrincha: The Triumph and Tragedy of Brazil's Forgotten Footballing Hero
by Ruy Castro (Author), Andrew Downie (Translator)
Gary Imlach “My father and other Working Class Heroes”
Phil Ball Morbo the Story of Spanish football- History and politics in Spanish football.
Ulrich Hesse-Lichtenberger “Tor – the story of German football”
Paul McGrath autobiog
Niall Quinn Autobiog
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Maybe there are other ways to once again enjoy going to the football,without always harking on about leaving the Scottish League.
Value for money and the choice of sitting or standing,and adults being able to have a beer
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Tomthetim,
If your talking about the Market Pool element of the Champions League Money it is basically 1 euro per person in the country.
So England get about 60m, Scotland 6m, Holland 19m ...
Hail hail
Pob
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I don't think we are ready for bringing alcohol back to football stadia.
But I would love a return to standing areas. Nothing beat the Jungle on a cold Wednesday night for a European game under the lights. Standing areas also encourage fans to get in early for a good spot rather than all traipsing in five minutes before kick off.
All seater stadia were brought in by politicians in a hysterical state wanting to be seen to do something. It's time to re-evaluate and bring back the terraces.
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gordon_j
The club wants to know who you are and where you're sitting.
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'The Miracle of Castel di Sangro'by Joe Mcginniss[?].
It shows that shenanigans are not limited to serie A,but go all through Italian football
'Football Against the Enemy'by Simon Kuper:Andy Thom,Pygmies,Roger Milla,Rijkaard v Voeller,our very own 90 minute hate,Helenio Hererra
And,if you've got a very generous baggage allowance'The Ball is Round'by David Goldberger.A 1000 pages on the history of World Football.And will you find one good word about the cashstrapped desperadoes from G51?
No.
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Gordon_J,,can I ask why you don't think "we are ready to bring back alcohol"?
And TTTT,I don't want to hear any of your nonsense about hard men wi wierd haircuts.
We have never had alcohol being sold in a controlled manner at stadia in Scotland.
Let me rephrase that,we have never had alcohol sold in a controlled way to the general public at stadia in Scotland.
How can you possibly agree with a situation that allows people who pay more for entry to the stadium,are allowed to freely purchase alcohol,when others are not allowed,due,purely to the fact that they have paid less in entrance fee?
I am not advocating the right to take a carry out in with you.
Merely the right for an adult to be given the same priveleges,regardless of how much you pay for your season ticket.
Why can't you see this being a good idea?
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Pob,
Would that mean that Russian teams get about 150 million to share?
Somehow I don't think that is how it is worked out.
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bambi, I have already started on The Damned United. I particularly liked the bit when Clough takes an axe to Don Revie's desk then torches the chopped up wood in the car park. Did this incident actually happen? I pray that it did.
Thanks for recommendations. Tor! sounds like a winner so far but I am happy to go card daft in Borders to get some more. Any other recommendations are most welcome!
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just looked at the CL Access list for 07/08
even greece and russia get there champions straight in
even the portugal runner up gets straight in (thanks to jose at porto i would think)
its our uefa cup teams who always let us down -hearts hibs gretna!
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Tutti...
That's why I bought the 2nd Clough book, I want to know what was real and what was fiction.
Tor is extremely hard to find to be honest, Morbo is excellent and I would recommend it to anyone.
Football against the enemy-Simon Kuper, White Angels ( The story of Real Madrid) Barca by Jimmy Burns, Alex Belos' book on Brazilian football, the name of which I can't remember. All absolutely brilliant.
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Kano,
I think the problem with alochol is a societal one rather than simply a footballing one. TIt's a public safety issue. But too many people get angry, aggressive and lok for a fight after a few drinks. In the sometimes highly charged atmosphere of a football match this is a recipe for disaster.
Of course many people can have a few drinks and behave perfectly responsibly. But quite a few can't, and I'm afraid that spoils it for the rest.
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Amazon have got Tor!in stock for £7.49
DBBIA/HappytohelpCSC.
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Afternoon all
Some simple calculations to assess the merits of a northern European league (or any other such conglomeration):
BSkyB has nearly 12m subscribers across the UK and Ireland who pay around £30 (on average) per month for the service. This gives the company an annual turnover of circa £4bn per year.
This in turn allows them to bid such vast sums for the premiership rights as this is primarily what the 8m subscribers are after. Sky protects their customer base, maintain a (near) monopoly on live Premiership games and the customer is happy to fork out the £30 every month. So there are some key numbers right there for it to be worthwhile to generate the kinds of TV revenue required by a new league.
Extrapolating – we might see a new entity or a sports only subscription service bid for the rights to our new league but would we get enough subscribers??
Put it another way, would Scottish subscribers pay £15 to £30 per month if they were only getting one or two Celtic or Rangers game per month? Would the league’s diverse customer base be that interested in 4th placed teams playing 16th placed teams in any country beyond those of the teams playing?
I have heard that Setanta has a take up of 100,000 subscribers in Scotland. From a population of 5m then a 2% take up rate ain’t that impressive. Now, being generous here, say that the new league offered a far superior product then the take up rate might double to 4% in Scotland. Taking that rate to the rest of the countries in the league means that we would need a population base of 300,000,000 people in order to reach the Sky figure of 12m subscribers.
Football fans in the UK pay a lot of cash to watch the heavily hyped Premiership but they pay that even if they have no particular affiliation to the teams in the league. Even guys like us in Scotland pay the money to watch the premiership.
I just can’t see how we could make good money from such a diverse customer base of a cross country league.
Personally, I would be in favour of a reduced domestic programme but an expanded European programme based on the current competition. I think there is merit in some of the redistributional aspects of the policies being floated by Uefa just now and these should be pursued.
Perhaps there is an argument to be made for the champions league group stages being expanded to 6 teams with guaranteed entry for (almost) all national champions and then a more robust qualifying campaign for the 3rd and 4th placed teams from the bigger countries.
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Gordon_J I think you are talking nonsense about the sauce at the footy. Many a punter turns up at Parkhead looking like they're just disembarked from the overnight ferry from Rotterdam to Hull as they've been shotgunnin cans of Breaker til 5 minutes before kick-off and they still get by ok without causing a ruckus during the 90 minutes.
If we had a place within the locale of Parkhead where fans could get a beer in official club premises(and charged at a top-end but not excessive price)then we would be fine. I for one would happily pay £3.50 a pint in clean, fan-friendly, club-supporting environment before the game.
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From FIFA web page
The Lions
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Tutti another good read is A season with Verona I think by somebody Parkes.
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Kano,
The Exception that proves the rule?
Fair Point - I hadn't looked at them.
I was curious to see how the money for Holland compared to Scotland and was surprised to see it was 3 times as much ... but after quick look on wiki discovered there was 3 times as many people ... which tallied up with England aswell.
Pob
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As I said earlier, many people can handle drink. But a lot can't. And they're usually the ones who cause the trouble if they manage to gain admittance to the ground. Alcohol is freely available in many places outside the ground - I think they are called pubs in this locale. So those who want a pint or two prior to the game are well catered for.
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read it green lion. I agree though, a great book. The Juve es merda section is particularly enjoyable.
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Tutti I think you would enjoy the Garrincha book. He makes Jinky/ Best / Baxter all look like tea total virgins but he still managed to win 2 world cups and also held the record taht whne him and Pele played together Brazil never lost a game.
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Is the guy Parkes not a lecturer?The problem I had with the book was when he would deviate from straight reportage and write'literature'.The bits dealing with the Ultra-lifestyle were interesting.
Books that have won,or been shortlisted for,the William Hill Sportsbook of the Year,are usually worth investigating.
Previous football winners are
Imlach-2005
Kuper-1994[F.A.T.E.]
Hornby-1992[Fever Pitch]
See:
http://www.williamhillmedia.com/sportsbook_history.asp#1991
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That's more like it Greenlion. I don't want bored by tales of Baxter sittin on the baw at Wembley then drinking himself to a new liver- zzzz boring. Give me tales of a footballing Errol Flynn. The best bit in the Best biog was when a Miss World stabbed him in the @rse-cheek. If Garrincha can do that, play in the same team as Pele and hopefully have some tales about training at the Brazilian equivalent of Seamill, I will gladly read it.
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Sheffield United boss Bryan Robson has confirmed the club will not be offering a contract to former on-loan Celtic defender Jean-Joel Perrier-Doumbe.
The Cameroon defender played 90 minutes of the English league side's 2-0 friendly win at Alfreton on 17 July.
However, Robson will not be signing the 28-year-old, who was on loan at Parkhead from French side Rennes until the end of last season.
Robson said: "He is not exactly the type of player we're looking for.
"But I wish him well for the future."
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Tutti I'll not even start on the story with the goat!!!!!
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Welsh legend Mickey Thomas also knows what it feels like to be knifed in the buttocks.
As in'So Roy Keane's on 50 grand a week.I was on 50 grand a week until the police found my printing machine'Mickey Thomas.
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Great No 8
SKY costs me £45 per month so they are coining it in for little coverage of Celtic other than the CL and SC.Cant see them back at the negotiating table soon now that we pay a subscription channel to cover the SPL.
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The Garinncha book is excellent.
My copy has been borrowed by three or four of my colleagues, who have all enjoyed it too.
There was a fairly extensive list of recommended reads in an article a few posts back - unfortunately I can't remember who asked for the recommendations at the time or indeed what post it was in. I do seem to remember that the person kept the list for future reference though....
G.
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great no_8....
interesting post, although i would question the sky subscriber numbers .....according to mays edition of tech magazine the numbers were as follows....
"the company now has 8,492,000 customers with sky subscribers passing 2.1 million"
i presume that means 2.1 million contract direct with sky and the rest come through virgin, bt, and other providers....
...the setanta numbers estimated the British Audience Research Board is 180,000 subscribers for what was mainly a SPL audience, this is expected to rise significantly with the access to EPL games this year....
i think there is a market for cross border tv, i would suspect that virgin,setanta and BT would be very interested bidders in the UK rights...
...from a sporting angle i can also see the attractions...i would prefer to retain a link to spl competition....for example if we had a 10 team spl we could play everyone home and away, for a total of 18 games, and the top 2 teams would then enter the "atlantic league" for their league over what was the second half of the season.....
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georgiebhoy it was me and I went with 5 of the recomendations. Rather than post the full list on CQN I have put it up on the blog if anyone want to view them.
PS Im chuffed I could actaully create a post on my blog.
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Sorry to post this drivel but it's causing a stir in the bbc chat rooms. Must be the most ridiculous story of all time but it's a funny read.
Deal to blow Scottish Football Apart
Scottish Premier
by Tony_The_Tiger_Tim 18 July 2007
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This story is going to break tonight and it will blow Scottish football apart.
Kris Boyd is at this minute at Ross Hall for a medical with a view to joining Celtic.
The deal which has been going on for several weeks now, will take Kenny Miller & £3M in the opposite direction.
I have known about this since the beginning of June and thought the deal had been rumbled when this appeared on this forum.
www.bbc.co.uk/dna/606/A23576...
I knew at the time why he had pulled out of the house sale, but couldn’t say at the time, as it was decided that he would be better off living in the East coast rather than Ayrshire, when the news broke. The reason that it has taken so long was that initially Walter Smith wanted Craig Beattie + cash, but Beattie was not interested in a move to Ibrox after having been involved with Celtic for so long.
Gordon Strachan has always been an admirer of Boyd and sees him as the final piece in the jigsaw for team 3 and it has taken a lot of persuasion & effort from both him & Peter Lawell to convince Boyd & Rangers that this was the right deal for all parties concerned. Walter Smith also wanted to see how Darcheville would settle into the squad before sanctioning the sale. The price could rise to £5M depending on appearances and success.
Miller & Lawell are on a plane back from the states at this
moment
JUST ADDED
Well Lawell & Miller arrived at Heathrow an hour ago from Phoenix and are on the shuttle to Glasgow.
This is going to be a huge story tonight.
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Gordon_J,
what sort of reasoning is that?
Never heard such nonsense.
Do you ban people from driving because their is idiot drivers?
You still haven't answered my point on why people who pay more are able to purchase drink freely at the stadium.
What,are they more likely to be able to handle their drink due to their admission price?
Would you prefer the club not to make the money on selling beer at the stadium,rather than people cramming in a few pints in the hour before kick off?
Or don't football clubs wish to make money in your locale?
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The story is utter nonsense. Believe me, Boyd has just bought a house in Ayrshire. FACT!!!
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GreenLion2
been over, had a look, left a mention, and stole a couple of books..... :)
You were correct - it was you!!
G.
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Gweedorebhoy,
That fair brightened my afternoon.
I can only assume the guy that worte that is on the same as Mr Boyd was alleged to have been at the start of the year.
Allegedly.
One word, rhymes with fish....begins with a P
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Utter nonsense. What a waste of space. Let Boydie stew among the rabble he joined. I wouldn't mind us picking up Naismith, right enough; but, would still prefer a class CH in the best of all possible worlds.
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gweedorebhoy
just the sort of news i have been looking 4
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Pob,I haven't a clue how they do work it out,but that seemed way too simple and fair for something for UEFA to sanction.
I thought,surely it would have to far more complicated than that,so that it looked as if it was fair,but,that all the clubs in the big four leagues got most of the money.
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The Najavo name for Phoenix is'Hoozdo',which means'it is hot'.
Sure is.
Celtic are training in Denver,which is only adjacent to Phoenix if seen from outer space.
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BarcaBhoy
I think you will find it is 2.1 million sky plus subscribers.
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georgiebhoy I have replied and had a look at your blog and saw that it has a link back to mine... I just need to learn how to type using more than 2 fingers and I will start doing that sort of stuff...
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leftwinger
Agree utter nonsense but i found it funny
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Gweedorebhoy,
Are the followfollowers revolting (so to speak), or are they taking it with the bag of salt it deserves?
I think we should make a sale and leaseback offer for Ibrox at a market value, to see what they do. Make a mockery of GT's valuation and prove that we see them now as merely our neighbours across the river who have a great chance of recapturing their coveted second spot this coming season
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GL2,
Stevie21 is the man for links. His link at the top-right of the page should be added to your favourites...
G.
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theleftwinger
As you would expect 90% of people are giving the guy stick for the worst rumour of all time. One guy claims to have phoned Boyds father in law to be and been told in no uncertain terms that this is a load of mince.
Funny though.
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When does the Snyde 1 super scoreboard start back?
Has Terry O'Neil got a few topics lined up?
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supersnide starts back 23rd july as does real radio but after yesterday i dont think many tims will be listening to that one.
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Gweedorebhoy
Didn't the E-Tims RM hint at a name that no-one could have imagined us being linked with, indeed beyond our wildest imaginations. Well this would be beyond my wildest nightmares.
It may be funny but I'm no gonnae sleep well tonite.
A young lad that works with me and a Jambo to boot told me over two months ago that he was in Kenny Miller's company and he swore that he told the group he wanted to go back to Rangers.
Honestly he can go back there if he wishes and no hard feelings but please oh please not KB coming the other way.
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Steelica
Im with you i bear kenny miller no hard feelings or ill will. i remember the heated debate when he started and many people trying to bet a few of us minshafters that he would score 15 and 20 goals.
Sadly his poor first touch and lack of composure in front of goal mean he will move on (well i hope so.
If he wants to go to the huns and take a step down perhaps it's the right time in his career to begin winding down.
However, I would hope a fairly young man would leave rangers till later in his career and try and get a bigger and better club in the Championship or english first division.
If he stays he will get my support as always but the time is right for Kenny Miller to move on.
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Gweedorebhoy
I was indeed one that bet Shelbourne that he would score at least ten! I think his CL goals should count double:-)
To be fair to him you cannot fault his effort but he doesn't have the golden touch. The goals he did score though did have a bit of quality and importance about them, for example, his first against TFOD, the winner against ICT in the Cup and the third goal against Benfica will be well remembered.
I think though with SMcD we'll get both the effort and the goals.
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Steelica/Gweedorebhoy :- I would say the main problem there is I can't see him being wanted back at Ibrox. He has been there and it didn't work out, he hasn't set the heather on fire during his time with you. I just can't see it.
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Francis Jeffers wants to play under Walter Smith again as well.He thinks he'll be able to recapture his Everton form.
Oh,and I have it on good authority that J-A Boumsong was at Ross Hall today for a medical,with a view to signing again before the end of the week.
Oh,and Ex-Ger wee Gordon Ramsay has been asked to come up with a new recipe for porridge,now that the succulent lamb is aff.
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steelica
The joy he gave me with his goals against the huns and benfica will always stay with me. I would have loved Miller to have worked out as his pace and endeavor can't be faulted.
A small part of me thinks he might make a winger in a forward 3 but i agree mcdonald looks a scorer for the SPl.
I would however like to see a genuine class WOW striker partner JVOH for Europe, however having spent what we have i can't see that happening unless we sell an asset or assets.
Edward
i agree i could not see anyone at the death star wanting miller back apart from the cardigan who rates him highly because of his scotland exploits.
I did hear that boyd was not liked but the 5 year contract blew or should that be blow! that one to bits!
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Gweedorebhoy,
I don't listen to Real Radio, but what was said yesterday?
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dbia -
I would be delighted for Jeffers to rejoin them and recapture his previous rankers form every week!
GL2 -
Left a message on yer blog, and linked you as well.
KB would never join us - no place to park his goat at Paradise.
Lucry
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TLW-Some DJ called MCkenna made a reference to JStein knowing about the Torbert/Boys club stuff and not doing anything about it.
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RE: KRIS BOYD
Kris Boyd is not married so nobody could phone his father in law. He lives currently in Tarbolton with his parents I know his old man well he is a nice guy. He lives just across the road from my mother.
He has just bought a house in Ayrshire but most importantly he is a "Died in The Wool" HUN!
He hates all things Celtic and I suspect would rather retire than play for us. During his Kilmarnock days he used to don his Rangers strip and watch the Old Firm games in the local boozer among the hunnery.
Story is complete tosh!
RobinBhoy
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theleftwinger
Usally watch Roughie and ewan on setenta but never listen to the music programms.
Allegedly DJ Steven mcKenna at the end of the pink song "who knew" just said Jock Stein
Bit of an own goal i would say.
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Gweedorebhoy :- Those contracts you mention are a bit of a worry to me, I feel that five years is maybe too long to give a player. What if he turns out to be injury prone? What if drops form and never regains it? What if he turns out to be one of those players who lose interest once the contract they want is signed? I'm not saying any of the players getting those contracts are like that, it just seems a bit risky to me.
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Although I think Romanov is a mentalist looking for £10 milion for Gordon, it's good for us.
If in the next year or two Artur decides to leave, Gordon's fee like Scott Brown has inflated the market.
Realistically Gordon is a £3-4 million player although the media will tell us beter than Artur.
On the subject of Kenny Miller. When he signed I seem to remember him saying he wanted to move back to Scotland to nearer his family.
I can't see him upping sticks unless he really wanted to, although I know mothing of his circumstances.
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I'm listening to Steely Dan, any you ghuys play steelies wi wee baw bearins, same as bools ?
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edward
agree 5 years is to long for both parties but it seems in vogue with your team.
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hi paul.fellow celts.
why does everyone just assume we need a wow signing to play alongside jvoh.i think jvoh should give himself a shake or he will, or should find himself bench warming. dont know about any of you but he certainly hasnt set the heather on fire in my book.
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.......there was a guy in oor flats a Mr Steel who used to gie us the wee baw bearins and everybody called him Steely, he wisny the masseur at CP but he looked a bit like him
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...... does embdy dae the masseur/se thing at CP these days ?
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...... I cud dae it bit Ah'd probably rub a few ay thum up the wrang wey
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....Ah'd imagine the coterie have had a few massages in their time n know joost tae thur egos.....
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Jimtim
I guess for me it's just a hope that JVOH will be a big star like Sutton and form a prolific partnership with a wow signing.
No offence to MCdonald and Killen but they are good solid SPL strikers who will score double figures. They have no european experience. JVOH has and is a proven scorer. I agree last year he flatered to decieve but i hope it was injury not ability that held him back.
With a quality wow striker we could have something special. This is not beyound us we could get:
1m for miller
Get Zurawski off the wage bill
1.5 for balde
1.5 for gravesen
1 for jarosik
Virgo off the wage bill
Pressley of the wage bill
Enough for a good stab at a quality hit man with european experience.
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know = no
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I see that Beasley is struggling to understand Fergie and the rest of the Scottish contingent:
"I still have my difficulties with the weird Scottish accent," he said.
"The guys try to talk slowly to me but when they talk to each other, I hardly understand anything."
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" Oh no, William and Mary won't do "
One of ma fav ever lyrics
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TheLeftWinger 5.25 am away for the next two wks so i'll miss the start of the phone in season,but al b back, tanned an all guns blazin.
Thanks for the mention.
Anybody remember Top of The Pops classic faux pas when they had a huge backdrop picture of Jocky Wilson when this guy was singing reet petite ?
Murray's next gig ?
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Hi folks
I have not been able to post as I have been unable to reach the keyboard from the floor where I have been since I fell off my chair laughing at the London polis been all over FC Dignity. BTW my ribs still hurt.
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Johnny Mac -
Aye, Darnelish is a hard lingo to pick up - but it seems to be easier for them than pickin up silverware.
WhereasoorssimplyGlistens
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Kano at 14:48 - you forgot to put REAL in front of "hard men wi weird haircuts" ! ;-) (Is that enough emoticons?)
I would love to be able to have a couple of pints before most games at CP, especially when watching football such as the dross dished up during the latter parts of last season.
BUT, I would gladly forsake that right if it prevented the scenes and atmosphere I experienced with Mrs TTTT at the Dallas "Glasgow Derby".
From seeing guys getting poured off supporters buses and still getting access to the ground and the poisonous atmosphere (argubly started by the referee losing the plot), my wife turned to me at half-time and said that she was never coming back to see a game against TFOD.
And that wasn't because of their quaint chanting.
A very low point in the history of our club.
TTTTwhoisfondofaweelibation
PS If it's true about that DJ, then he should be sacked. Scum.
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Terry -
you've probably made Keevins & Co's week/fortnight by headin off.
Get those batteries recharged and your arsenal replenished.
WG
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Can someone please tell me when the darnel host the team from West London ?
WonderinGemmell
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Terry, Jocky Wilson made his unfortunate appearance on TOTP when Dexys Midnight Runners were signing Jackie Wilson Said.
A classic tv moment.
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Wishy Press to the rescue -
It's the 28th July, the Wishaw Official (God help them) RSC are having their dance that day at Craigneuk Oranger :
" The club's friends from Chelsea, Bristol and Brighton will be in attendance
...... well that will be three tickets away then
and music will be provided by Craigneuk True Defenders "
that should help wi the wee smoochie numbers late oan wi Senga an Wilma
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If there was space on the football calendar, the Cup Winner's Cup might be interesting as a two week tournament as opposed to dragging it out for a whole season. Could be a money spinner? Or am I just raving.
While I'm raving, the introduction of Celtic and Rangers reserves into the lower divisions could be a serious helping hand to those struggling clubs. Even if it only bolstered attendance by a few hundred, it could double a wee clubs income for the day.
Every little bit helps. If Scottish football has to be about Celtic and Rangers then let's use it.
Just a few thoughts.
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Yir right Ardoch ma memory playin tricks again.
Av heard it said that Kevin Rowland asked for it as a wind up,prefer if it wis a genuine cock up.
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That's probably the WORSC's equivalent of the CQN Golf Day
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Any auld hauns (Gordon_J, WG, noel?) help me here -
I remember when I was a young un, my Dad and his mate talking about Alex(?) Dowdalls(sp). I find myself wondering(gemmell) who he was? Was he anything to do with Celtic?
WonderingCuryl (Sorry WG!!)
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Ulryc -
He's not on ma list of players but I think he might have been a trainer wi the Bhoys
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Has there ever been a 2nd division euro tournament?
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ulryc -
he wiz Celtic's trainer from 1940 to 1956
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DOWDELLS by the way
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hi paul.fellow celts.
gweedorebhoy. thank you for your reply .i have nodoubt about jvoh,s ability. i just wish he would produce it more regularly,but having said that he is not alone on that score.
EDWARD. may i ask do you live in ayrshire. i also would have loved to have met you at the golf day you missed yourself it was a cracking day spent in cracking company .the reason i ask is that i drove up by myself, i never gave it a thought to offer a lift to anyone ,sorry bhoys will know next time.btw when is the next time. dj mckenna, strange a name like that making anti celtic.comments
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False Start - Love
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great auk -
The Texaco Cup might have come close as a British model, I remember the mothers played spuds and I depetaled many a daisy before opting for a draw. I think the mothers beat them over two legs
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Did anyone notice Darcheville tried to fight some guy in that friendly last night? Imagine him against us when it matters!
He actually got away with stamping one of the Hannover players but the ref had a word with Barry Ferguson, presumably to say "Calm him down or he's off" in some foreign tongue.
In other news, they looked rotten. Big strong cloggers who are bereft of any real quality. I can see them struggling to score goals next season.
Then again, they do have Rangers Bound "Naisy" on the way presumably.
Woo!
Sorry this is well late and off topic but I've been at work :)
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WG
He was my grandfather
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then lovejoy you are TRULY a legend
WithenvyGreen
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WG
A'do ma best ;o)
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Dad married his daughter, when he was playing with Celtic, was there with Big Jock
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WG -
Thanks for that, knew I could rely on someone as old as yourself!!
lj -
wow! As WG says. . . . .
Lycru
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Hi Paul,
With Leicster offloading Stephen Hughes for around 70 grand have you heard if Celtic will be doing their usual and snapping up another Rangers failure? After all it does seem to have become quite a habbit :-)
JimTim :- I live in Dreghorn I never gave it a thought that others from Ayrshire might be travelling through, it sounds like I missed a good day.
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Sorry Edward, but I'll be making a double swoop for Hughes and Sionko. Apparently we need a dishwasher, the pair of them should do ok. :)
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edward .
your not a million miles away from me .would have been no trouble getting you picked up .will know next time .
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A very well put to-gether article on the history of both clubs. I suspect that it may well have been penned by a mainland European!
CELTIC V RANGERS
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Ulryc -
With great age comes much wisdom......ahmmm.
I might have lost my marbles but my follicles are still productive so mind yer tongue oh northern one.
Edward -
Dreghorn izzit, that sounds somewhere Satan might bide, amigo.
" Fancy a wee dvd the night darlin ? "
" Aye, how aboot that new wan, The Witches of Dreghorn ? "
" Aw naw, too scary that wan. Wull joost watch John Greig - The Wilderness Years instead, Ina "
Lovejoy -
yer no also connected tae Luke Skywalker ur ye ?
WizardofdreGhorn
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curly,
I think this is the first time I have been described as an auld haun. I'm not too sure whether to be insulted or to wear the badge with pride!
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gordon _j
Aul' haun entry age is 40, ur ye in or oot ?
edward is an aul ...... well you can guess the rest
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WG
I'm not, but you could try DARTHOVADAR, although at the minute he might be in a galaxy Far Far Away!
lovejoy.namedropperCSC
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WG,
I will admit to being over 40. Aul' haun it is, then.
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Lycru
Unfortunately he died before I was born, although my brother and sisters knew him well
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The Big Game This Week:
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CelticSephiroth :- That would be a bad move as come the end of the season you wont have any cups :-)
JimTim :- Thanks, I'll keep that in mind.
W.G :- If Cerberus ever drops his guard and you manage to escape from ML2 you would be amazed at just how friendly we are down here. The proof is in a fellow Ayrshireman I've never met offering me a lift just a couple of posts back :-)
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Gordon J-
Gowan.
Join the aul' hauns.......
Wee Present From Kano To TTTT
Kano's soon to become an aul' haun.
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Re: previous article comment
DS from Paisley, I take it you have retired gracefully? :)
SaysFreddiebhoywhosonly4.5decadesyoung
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My dear Edward -
I've just recently returned from WC1 so I've used up all my passes till Newcastle next week. However I will definitely put Dreghorn on my list of must-sees. Right I'll add it to the list the noo -
01.Dreghorn
02.Ballymena
03.Forth
04.Armadale
05.Calcutta
06.Dumbarton
07.Motherwell
08.Tottenham
09.Salford
10.Vatican
11.Turra
WorldwideGemmell
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Edward, the original plan was to kidnap you and demand a randsome from David Murray...........just the thought of having it paid in instalments over 5 years put us off a bit.
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Edward-
Dammit, does this mean I have to bow to pressure and get a WOW dishwasher?
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Edward, Stephen is a snip at £70k! :-)
I am keen to see if your team make fresh transfer moves, it will be a weather vane indicating internal expectations following Ibrox Police raid.
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Someone was asking about the Alex Dowdalls connection to Celtic. I think there was a firm of Accountants who used to audit the books at Parkhead by that name.
Winninggemmell, you're very welcome to Salford, by the bye. Mind you, given the weather we're enduring, you might make tracks for the Quays and find the first boat you come across.
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pcums -
Dreghorn and noo Salford invis. It's great to be in demand but ma First Week bus ticket (8 quid a whip) only takes me throughout the MLs
WishyGrounded
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Great article on fifa.com
http://www.fifa.com/clubworldcup/news/newsid=554251.html#lions+legend+lives
If someone knows how to hyperlink, can they please do it.
Thanks
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Noel - Think you should do a job lot of those t-shirts for the next CQN soiree. Tenner a pop for charity and a small donation for Kano's new front teeth!
Is that a Brazilian landing strip on his napper?!
TTTTwhodoesntrunaway.....butcanwalkfast
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WG at 19:53 -
Was about to send my congratulations to you, then I re-read the sentence to see that it actually said "my follicles are still productive". Oopsie!! ;-)
Glad to see that Turra made the wee Bobby position on the list. We shall have to get something sorted out for an Aberdeen game.
lj -
Upon further reflection, and much trawling over what is left of the grey matter, I seem to recall my Dad's pal nicknaming me "Dowdells" on occasion.
DowdellsCurly
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DowdellsUlryc -
Ah thoat ye wir a Sellik fan like me ?
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With genuine competition in Scotland looking increasingly remote
Have to agree on this. Looking forward to the league starting and the standard of opposition.
It's hard to pick a favourite for relegation out of
Gretna,
McDonald-less Motherwell,
Stoke-less Falkirk,
Sutton-less St Mirren
and Inverness.
Elsewhere can Aberdeen improve on last season, very doubtful.
Hibs seem to be starting all over again.
While the biggest improvement will be Dundee United (how many seasons have we been saying this?)
Kilmarnock another comfortable mid table season.
Which leaves Hearts and rangers.
Hearts are sitting on a pot of gold in Gordon but still don't have a manager to take them on to the next level.
rangers: they will challenge us probably for the wrong reason, i.e. the others are so poor.
Hopefully our new signings and players with a full season under the belts like McGeady will give us the improvement we are looking for and at the same time continue to be ruthless in their quest for titles.
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All very quiet on the transfer front and no sign of any rumours doing the rounds apart from the acid induced Kris Boyd claptrap.
I think our transfer activity is over for the time being and any other moves would be dependant on CL group stage qualification.
I would be interested to know how many posters would be happy going into the CL qualifier with the current squad.
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Michael Collins-
Hey, look what we managed last year with THAT squad. I'm confident the group stages will be reached. Beyond that, who can say.
I still would prefer to see full back cover and possibly a top quality centre half with CL experience.
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Not that our squad was rank rotten last time, but let's face it, we've got an even better pool now.
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Just read in the Celtic View that Celtic TV are showing the 2 games from the US on Monday night.
Better late than never.
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We have 2 top quality CB's with Champions League experience: O'Dea and McManus.
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The pressure is on both Celtic and rangers to qualify.
Failure to do so, hands the other team a massive finacial advantage.
At this moment in time, I would certainly prefer, to be going into the qualifier, with our pool of players, rather than theirs.
I'm sure Gordon will have the bhoys well prepaired,
however, there is still a lot of luck in the draw. so the excitement and nerves will be there in abundance... Quite simply..Ah cannae wait.
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BBC Heid Honcho on the goggle box admitting that they indulged in deception (to do with the phone in fiascos), and that all staff will undergo compulsory training to turn them into paragons of virtue in future.
Does that mean that Thick Dung and his friends will come out of the lodge, er, closet, as it were,. and admit to being huns?
Urcyl
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Green Trumpet.
While I shall not dismiss the talents of McManus and O'Dea, I think we could do better.
That said, their performance, particularly against AC Milan, in last season's CL was encouraging.
I've been wrong before, I hope they prove me wrong again :)
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Nite ghuys, ghals and Ulryc
WearyGemmell
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WG -
"Baaaahhhh"
Cruly
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CelticSephiroth, hi:
the performance of the 2 players we're discussing, in the games against ACM were a lot more than encouraging - I would say inspired.
We have young, improving players in defence who could develop into a real tight unit - especially now the deficiencies in midfield, which led to such pressure on the defence all last season, are being (have been?) addressed.
Do you have any suggestions for CL quality players to replace them?
ps: I 100% agree on the need for full-back cover.
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Tonights Champions League Qualifiers Results-
Pobeda 0 - 1 Levadia Tallinn
FT Dudelange 1 - 2 Zilina
FT FC Sheriff 2 - 0 FC Rangers
FT Marsaxlokk FC 0 - 6 FK Sarajevo
FT NK Domzale 1 - 0 KF Tirana
FT Derry City 0 - 0 Pyunik
76' Hafnarfjordur 4 - 1 HB Tórshavn
teeheehee............
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Better than Martin
As you say well worth a read
Link below care of Stevie21 link creator in right panel of CQN
FIFA site tribute to the Lisbon Lions
VertWolf
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interesting fact
Voting on the Polish site of Celtic fans:
Who should leave Celtic:
Maciej Zurawski 16%
Paul Hartley 26%
Jiri Jarosik 20%
Thomas Gravesen 39%
I would add something to the first name. 39-16+1= probably right order.I think 16% is the percentage of fanatical patriots.Never could estimate it before.Now I know.
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I willl be very surprised if Celtic get a result to-morrow night for several reasons:
1. The heat.
2. Lack of match practice in comparison with the opposition.
3. Not having a recognised first eleven.......yet!
However, I do expect to be pleased with our 'new' style of play, our new players, particuarly Brown, and maybe even with JVOH if he stays more in the box!
C'mon The Bhoys
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Could the current football probe be coming from this outcome late last year?
VAT on Football Agent Fees
Newcastle United faces a substantial tax bill for player transfers and contract renewals following Newcastle United plc v Commissioners for HMRC [2006] UKVAT V19718, tribunal dismissed club's appeal, finding that VAT paid by the Club when paying agents' fees was not recoverable
14.12.06
see http://www.legalday.com/LegalDayItem.jsp?tml=16615
see also interesting article from Michael Simkins on this outcome and its affect on other clubs - direct link from the web page above.
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Celticlover-
The heat will make it an interesting game.
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and I think Celtic mean business over there.
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Green Trumpet, Hello :)
Fair enough, it was a sensational performance. But, there were also things lacking at other times in their game. McManus could be a bit rash at times and O'Dea showed a bit of inexperience, particularly losing out a couple of aerial challenges.
To be fair though, if given a chance to blossom, (Not forgetting the talented Mr Kennedy) these young CBs at Celtic could be class. And I think we have the man in Strachan to nurture such ability.
I was excited by the Metzelder rumour but when Real Madrid started hovering it became clear we were stuffed. A player of that ilk would have been just the tonic.
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Bairds Bar-When Nakamura Secured The Title
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Noel
The business they have done already over there is good for our image and good for our long term development (just wish they would sign a good American player).
I get cuttings of the American press when Celtic are mentioned and the increase in articles during the last two months is mind boggling. I really hope Beckham succeeds over ther as it will have a beneficial effect on Celtic's long term finances. Rangers, on the other hand, are almost nonentities by comparison.
15 yrs of domination if only the authorities don't close them down!
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Kano
from earlier. Couldn't agree more. You can't compare having a kerry oot in the terraces to paying vastly inflated prices for KKK lager.
Even if alcohol is not allowed in ground every where in the ground there will be somebody within ear shot blitzed having probably imbibed somewhere near Barrowlands, but that should not affect everybody else and it could be a huge revenue driver for the club.
On the football front I have 2 immediate concerns, I thing (at least until Kennedy is fully match fit) O'Dea is the only centre half I would pick and does anybody else worry that Lee Naylro might have had had a Chris Morris debut season.
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Tooheys-
"anybody else worry that Lee Naylro might have had had a Chris Morris debut season."
Not yet.
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McManus can be rash, O'Dea is inexperienced, and JFK is just feeling his way back to full fitness - but I'd be happy going into the season with the 3 of 'em. Naylor, Wilson and AN Other for the FB slots and we're good to go in defence I feel.
Mr Pressley on the other hand...
I just sometimes feel that we (as fans) want too much during the transfer windows - like a kid writing his list to Santa, forgetting what he already has.
And it's too easy to discard home-talent, and bring in a big £££ foreigner, rather than persevering with real potential.
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On positive American press, interesting article on Celtic's upcoming game is available on Armchair Celts just now.
I keep trying to anchor a direct link but it doesn't seem to like it. Sorry guys.
HOWEVER.
I particularly like Scott Brown's quote in the middle. "Everyone wants to join Celtic. That's the biggest club in Scotland."
You tell em Skoosh!
Green Trumpet:
I do like to see the potential coming through and I take your point. Still, it would have been exciting to have got Metzelder or a player of his quality. Then again, as you said, who knows what the future holds for our young starlets.
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I see that C67 are launching a new service C67 Premium for overseas tims limited to only 200 subscribers. They are broadcasting games in DVD quality - no other benefits as far as I can see.
You will need a fairly high spec pc (1gb Ram and 256mb video card minimum) and must be able to maintain consistent download speeds of 2mb/sec.
The catch is that they are charging almost double for the service 19.99GBP compared to the regular 10.99GBP. Seems a bit steep to me. I'll give it a miss until we see how the quality compares. Maybe if I was able to watch games on my 42" flat screen - now that would be something. Who knows. I'll stick to the postage stamp window on my pc for now.
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Collie
At the risk of causing a rammy, your going to have to explain to me the use of the word nig-nog. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that it means something else that I am not aware of. I always thought it was a seventies sitcom style put down for coloured people. I'm sure thats not what you meant and that you were not referring to Bobo.
As far as this transfer window goes I've been happy with our aquisitions up to now but cant seem to shake a feeling of disappointment. I think this may be due to some unreal expectations before the window opened but there was an underlying feeling among the fans that we would be doing something special this summer that would put the huns to bed (if they're allowed to keep operating). So far so good but I hope Collie is right and there are further moves afoot because at the moment I feel the SPL season will be a close contest and Rangers, for all we've laughed at them ,have put a bit of money into the side espcecially if they sign Naismith. They've also beefed up their team physically and I cant help feeling this will be a stellar year for the MIB's. I think you'll see some true stars emerging to give them all the help they need.
Lee McCulloch, par example, has been sent off 5 times in the last two years but I'll wager it will be many a year before he sees a red card flashed at him by the likes of Stuart Dougal. On the other hand I'm sure Scott Brown will be no stranger this year to getting first use of the soap.
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mncelt
I believe it was 'GG who once described a converter he has that enables you to do just that. I am sure it was him but may be wrong. Def someone on this side of the pond. I want to know if I can watch this new service on my mac...If so....
I would buy in....
Anyway looking forward to watching the bhoys in Denver, watching on TV and at a reasonable hour in the evening for a wee change...Meanwhile as a curtain raiser I am off to watch the Fratellis at the Roseland Ballroom this evening...Just to get in the mood for some goals.
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Collie
Love Thy Neighbour......
Adios
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mncelt
I was looking at subscribing to C67 this year ,unfortunately broadband speeds here in Australia are not good enought to support the premium service they are offering.
As far as the normal service id concerned has anyone tried it with a laptop and a video out cable into a large TV. I was wondering about the quality of the picture because its pretty poor watching on a laptop.
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Son o' Big Mick
Nig-Nog is a woid dat ah think fits da Bill,
Describes a Fellah whose who is clueless and always comes up shoart in da Till!
It his naethin' tae dae wi' da color o' his skin...
As a matter o' record, ah hiv wan among Ma kin!
So dinna go lookin' for whit's no der at awe!
It is picky ,it is silly ...an' it's childish, an awe!
collie.
Tail's Awaggin',Awaggin'
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Have you just been watching a re-run of Love my Neighbour Collie while you were eating your CHUM.
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Collie
Hmmm. I think everyone can decide for themselves about your comment.
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My dear friend, Big Mick..
Here is the official definition of Nig Nog.....
Google ... "Urban Dictionary".... search for Nig Nog.
Scroll down to Definition Nunber 3.
Read it and weep!
As it says....
Nig Nog is NOT A DEROGATORY TERM FOR A BLACK PERSON
It is an old North of England expression for a helplessly inane person.
In point of fact,it in old British Army Designation for a Raw Recruit.
The term is at least 200 years old...
well,well ,before... people like you decided to take offence.
I tell you straight...
I think you are a not a nice person.
You are just looking for trouble were there is none intended.
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Collie
Why skirt the controversy? Over here that expression would only remind us of the Love Thy Neighbour era. It does have the archaic definition you've stated but nobody's using it because of its tainted recent past and I'd recommend you don't try to redeem this phrase either, just to prove a lexical point.
I dislike people using hopefully to mean "it is hoped" and presently to mean currently but I'm fighting a losing battle on both counts. They're now received usage. But there's no harm in them words. There's the harm of potential misunderstanding in your word. Big Mick and Michael Collins did not go looking for trouble. It was right there in the most current usage of your expression. Those two posters did not deserve to be counter attacked as they'd been quite circumspect in approaching you on the topic.
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Yes....yes....that's right....
Argue among yourselves while I sign Sionko from under all your noses..... :)
Just trying to inject a little humour back onto the board.
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whoooosh yo peeps what gives, just out of bedlam...oh oh frying pan and fire come to mind
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grrrr google is a big pair of pants ...did i just read 'nig nog'?
hmmmmm
glass of champagne
oooh its after midnight, ive been working for 12 hours so chill with da music
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silver maschine
or this....
and its aldo .....
hmm google and blogger go together like custard and feathers.....
if you want blood
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i dont wanna stop
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mcillhatton
supermodel on my D
learn to fly
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Alan,
Go to yer bed. You're tired.
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Collie
As New Labour once said....
EDUCATION,EDUCATION,EDUCATION.
What you "think" and what we "know"
over here are two different things.
Your expression no matter how quaint is similar to the "N" word.
As it's directed toward Bobo Balde it's the biggest faux pa I'v read on CQN.
If you really think it's that innocent try saying it to Bobo, face to face.
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Mick
Can I ask how you know it was directed at Bobo? What crazy antics has Bobo been up to?
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tom, im not tired, just chillin out after a day in bedlam....
trying to catch up with with the celtic news quick style....
hmmmmmm alf garnet....
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Collie
If you dont think I'm a nice person then I'm sorry but I wont be losing any sleep over it. Wonder how you can arrive at such an opinion of me without actually meeting me. Oh well then...
Your comment was racist,ill advised and outrageous and I think you along with everyone else knows it. All you have to do is apologise and the matter will surely drop.
If your a 'nice person' that is.
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Michael Collins,
can I ask where you are in Australia?
I have C67,and have very little problem watching tha games.
With speeds of 1.5mb min up to 8mb.
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Collie,
You may not have intended to cause any offence but, nevertheless, I'm afraid that you have done so.
Best if you apologise & delete your post - then we can all get back to being pals again.
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Kano
I'm in Sydney. Broadband speed I have at the moment is 500kb with Optus. You can get faster speeds but the price escalates dramatically.
Only been here 6 months and it does annoy me a bit as broadband is pretty much free for a lot of users back home.
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If you guys keep arguing I'll have agreed personal terms with Sionko before you can launch a counter swoop.
Don't tell me you don't want to sign him, he's clearly got quality!
Quality street perhaps...in a cupboard.
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Night night folks :)
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Collie
I normally skip passed your posts anyway... cant be annoyed trying to work out how clever you think you are with your inane prose...
But i caught your unbelievably offensive remark regarding Bobo... and could not believe it - then your attempt at justification!?
2 lows for CQN
bucking tanker
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Kano/Michael Collins
Greetings from a very cold Briz.
You two got no work to do?
My internet speeds make it impossibley expensive to have CH67 or I too would have it in a moment.
Whatever you do Michael don't switch from Optus to Telstra
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Collie
I too think you've crossed the line of what is acceptable and that which is not.
I would give you my benifit of the doubt and say that in fitting with your style it was a 'quick fix' but unfortunate, selection.
However, I think maybe you should give it a bit more thought and maybe an apology and a retraction in this instance would be the appropriate action.
That is just my opinion.
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I'm usually a 'scroller' on comments from Fargo & Co, but tonights stooshie had me checking Collie's post of 23.27, and I find myself in the unusual position of feeling sympathetic to the coterie.
kitalba, I understand your concerns, but if the word was used in the context that Collie has stated, how can it be unacceptable?
If Collie had been thinking about Bobo and making reference to the man's race when he chose his rhyme, then I would agree with you - but as he has made a perfectly clear and IMO reasonable explanation, shouldn't we accept his word on the matter?
I'm reminded of the distressing (to me anyway) case of the Washington DC staffer who was sacked for using, correctly and in an entirely non-racial context, the word 'niggardly' in a meeting. I would find it distressing in the extreme if CQN were to go down that road.
Michael Collins, I agree with settingfreethebears that Collie might have been better-advised not to use the term in the first place, but Collie was quick to set the record straight regarding his use of the word, and your subsequent decision to call his comment racist seems to me intemperate and unjustified given his clear (if rather feisty) explanation. He shouldn't have impugned your character, but accusing someone of racist comments is a severe attack on their character and should only be made in the presence of unambiguous supporting evidence. The main apology due, IMO of course, is yours.
Anyone for football?
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Michael Collins,
check out an ISP called iinet.
The cost is app 60 to 70 dollars per month,which sounds expensive.
Although if you put your phone with them too,the cost is cheaper and your limits and speeds are more.
But there is nothing more to pay.
No going aver your limit and paying 2 dollars a MB or any of that nonsense.
It will depend where you are too,even in Sydney.
They have generous limits and if you do go over,you are merely "shaped" as they call it down to a lower speed.
This has happened to me twice in about two and a half years,and caused me to miss one game,although you can still listen to it.
The picture quality isn't exactly HD,but it is very watchable,and you do get every game live,with the exception of Champions League games which are broadcast one hour (app)after the match has finished.
Don't know about putting it through your TV,I have been looking into a digital projector with a roll down screen,so I can keep it in another room,where my "stupid" shouting and yelling at a "silly soccer game" can continue to my heart's content.
TTTT,hope you appreciate that wee joke.
took me about two hours to get that right,it's bloody hard to do that to yourself,lads enjoyed it at the pub that night too,and at the golf next day.
Heid's freezing now.
And I don't know what dentist you go to,but I would have to take the tenner for the teeth,and a small donation to charity.
500 dollars a pop,the things are.
And I am on my fifth plate.
This includes one plate being eaten by my dog.
And one plate disappearing into the ocean,after being dumped,face first,whilst trying to bodysurf,and grasping and grabbing at them as they disappeared in the wave.
Thankfully the current ones have lasted a few years.
Sorry to hear about your better half's experience,but I feel regardless of where booze is sold,drunk idiots will be drunk idiots.
Toohey's New,
cheers.
I can't stand the "it's allright for the likes of me to have a few beers,I pay more to get in,but some people are idiots when they drink,especially people who cannot afford boxes and heated seats,so it really should be limited to us".
Scottish people,well the ones who live there full time,seem to be under the impression,which is completely media driven,that somehow they cannot be trusted to drink at football matches,so therefore,it shouldn't be sold there.
It IS sold there,only to a certain few.
People who cannot handle their drink,can't handle it if they are in a pub or a stadium bar.
At the moment all they have to do is look semi sober for five minutes and they get in.
If they are drunk at the stadium and try to gain access to a bar,they will be refused.And probably ejected from the stadium.
There would be a need for increasd security,but this could be well offset by the price of the beer.
There seems to be no problem with thousands of people paying two or three times as much money for a burger,Yorkie bar,or watered down soft drink as it is outside the stadium,so I am sure there could be a wee premium on the beer to pay for the security required.
And you could have "dry" parts of the stadium,for people who do not wish to be near the great unwashed.
The dry part could be intermingled with the non singers,and the "I don't go to the game to listen to swearing" brigade,and the "what does the club have to do with Ireland" brigade,and the moaning git and giving players and manager abuse brigade.
Then they could all sit and and abuse the players and the manager and discuss how depraved and ill mannered and foul mouthed,and misbehaved the rest of the people in the stadium are,and how their breath doesn't smell of listerine,and the fact that they eat chips,of all things.
This would leave the rest of the stadium to enjoy a few beers,and create some atmosphere(remember that at a league game? When it was the crowds problem if there was none?) and have an enjoyable experience(you know,like going to watch Celtic).
A bit of thought and planning is all that is required,not too hard for the people who run the club,I would imagine.
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NeilR/Collie
Irrespective of the dictionary meaning of the word, which I have not checked to be honest, because to me, having been brought up in Glasgow, the term to which we refer, was typically accepted as a derogatory, colloquialism for another’s ethnicity.
I did extend to Collie the benefit of the doubt in the context in which he used the word. However, I believe Collie was brought up in the same era as me and if so would be aware of the connotations associated with his choice of words.
Collie may be many things to many people, but he is most definitely, not a, ‘literal’, fool.
I don’t think he intentionally set out to cause offence but most definitely offence was taken.
I do not think the term he used was appropriate when it can be equated, so easily, in the derogatory rather than the definitive.
I think Collie will be man enough to accept this and take, what he believes, to be the appropriate action.
That’s why I think he crossed the line of acceptability. Definitive is fine, perceived abuse of the definitive, obviously, can cause offence.
I find it offensive. I don’t think it was written to be so.
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Kitalba,wet here.
What do you mean no work.
Do you think this rubbish I post types itself?
And I get paid for it,would you believe.
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Kano
good stuff. Your TTTT retaliation was neat.
Gotta agree with you on the, 'beer for all, at football grounds. If you're gonna get bevied your gonna do it.
People may be more relaxed in their pre match drinking habits if they are able to buy a beer inside the ground.
I know it has been alluded to elsewhere, but think of all the extra income to the coffers at Celtic Park.
Only a social miser would deney a Scotsman his right to buy his whiskey.
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Evening all
Excitement mounting for tomorrow night.
Now that I've had a chance to look past my lack of objectivity I'm concerned about the heat, the lack of match fitness and the large field.
Alex Dowdalls Celtic trainer in the early 50s. I could be very wrong here, but I believe he lived in Caldercruix, which then was a bastion of the establishment team. Happily a few of us emerged from the local Catholic school only slightly scarred, mainly due to our moss roots.
MNCelt Fill your boots, although I no longer spot the connector I bought.
PC To Video Connections
'GG perspiring in the heat
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GG
are you going to the game?
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Kitalba
No chance. We have just returned from 2 weeks in the wet west of Scotland.
ESPN for me tomorrow night.
'GG
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Evening fellow celts,
For those of you that subscribe to ch67, I considered upgrading to the premium service but after trying the test video, the playback was just too choppy. I'm in NY and have a 8mbit(I think) broadband connection which is as good as time Warner provide. So tomorrow night is a real treat - watching the celts on the big screen. I had thought about trying to watch ch67 through the ps3 on the big screen but the quality just isn't there unfortunately.
Nybrianr
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Neil R
Someone refers to one of our black players as a nig-nog and you want me to apologise for raising the issue. Would you have been as understanding if he had used the term wog or sambo or even coon. All these terms have alternative meanings but in popular use they would all be deemed to be racist.
No-one on here this evening even knew the alternative meaning for nig-nog, without looking it up, so therefore as the terms above are it would be deemed racist in popular use.
Use of these terms belongs on Rangers fan sites certainly not on here wether in jest or not. Collie has been given the oportunity to apologise and delete the comment. He hasnt done so.
Kitalba
Greetings to you from an even colder Sydney. 5 degrees yesterday brrrrrrr. I have actually watched a couple of games on Channel67 and it was better than nothing but thats all. A point to note for all Australian posters is that from September Setanta will be available on the Foxtel platform. This was confirmed to me when I mailed Sultana Sports(as my wife calls them). This will mean being able to watch the games on a proper screen although I imagine it wont be cheap.
Kano
Thanks for the info on faster broadband. For now I'm tied to Optus for at least a year but I will consider changing in the future.
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Just back from the Roseland Ballroom watching a very fine gig by The Fratellis. Numerous Celtic tops in the house I am delighted to report.... BUT I must add... In my umble opinion....The drummer 'Mince' is the spine of this group...One of the best drummers it has ever been my privilege to witness....
Only dampener was a drunk black guy who kept shouting nig nog at the support band...
Roll on Denver......
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Collie,
You are an embarrassment. If (and this is a big if) you had referred to a white player as a nig-nog it may have backed up your argument that you were intending the term to be taken in its original meaning (and even then it would still have been pretty naive). However, the fact that you describe a black player as a nig-nog is without a doubt racist. You should not only apologise and delete your post, you should also get an education.
rd
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Apologies to all who participated in the language debate during the night, I have not had a chance to read, peruse and consider, however…
Collie, no chance, irrespective of dictionary definitions. Comment deleted.
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So, Collie,
which part of north yorkshire are you from?
For what it's worth i don't believe you where intentionally trying to be malign, nor can i see the direct use of the phrase you used in context to bobo.
However i used to post here under a different moniker until and you and your buddies rounded on me and bullied me away, so i have absolutely no sympathy for you and here's to the pounding you deserve,
stop defending the indefensible, apologies, grovel and then tell us the one about Shaun Malloney
tail aswinging, between your legs, uh?
GIRUY
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Paul
Your standards and site exemplary as always.
Theres no defence
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Banned Word controversy !
First of all, am I the only one who thought Collie was talking about Gravesen here and not Balde?
Oxford English Dictionery backs up Collies definition of 'a foolish person' as the original use of the word.
Point 2, The writer of Love Thy Neighbour where most glaswegians probably heard the word ***-*** states that it was meant as IRONY, Eddie was the stupid one (the *** ***) and he was calling Bill the stuping one.
incidently Jim Bowen of Bullseye made the same defense of the use of the word - that where he came from in his youth a *** *** was someone who was a bit stupid !
So the cotterie reveals itself Collie is Jim Bowen !
;-) that must mean Kojo is Tarbie and Fargo is the top man - Brucie !
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NBNC, the comment clearly referred to the player you suggested, however people visit this site who will have had this remark made to them in a derogatory manner. It is/has become an unpleasant part of the language.
As NeilR said above, anyone for football?
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Some of the justifications here are skirting towards the parody of Alan Partridge and his 'two Whitney Houston albums' comments.
Collie for your own sake, lie low for a while, make an unreserved apology and leave it at that.
Can we talk about football or at least some vague, almost libellous chat about Bain sittin in a puddle sweating about title deeds, vineyards, lies and Swiss bank accounts?
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Just picked up on last night's Brouhaha. The phrase used by Collie is one I never thought I'd see on this site (nor anything of a similar ilk).
I have no knowledge of which player Collie is referring to-this is of no consequence.
Neither is the Lexicology. The fact that there is an obscure dictionary reference giving an alternative meaning is equally irrelevant.
Language is dynamic and irrespective of the semantics, no one these days would use the term "Gay" to refer to someone who is "happy or merry".
In equality terms the intent is not the deciding factor in whether or offence has ben caused, it is how it is received. Therefore De Facto Collie has caused offence.
This is not a personal opinion, this is the deciding factor in legal (harrassment/bullying)cases.
Jim Bowen (Bullseye) had to resign due to using the same phrase.
I think it was- At Best an ill-advised use of terminology.
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Paul,any thoughts on my comment last night 18/07/07 22:47 concerning Newcastle United plc v Commissioners for HMRC [2006] UKVAT V19718, tribunal. I reproduced the contents of the linked article but due to its length decided to remove it later on.
Freddiebhoy
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On this day in 1903 Maurice Garin won the very first Tour De France.
He'won'the 1904 race as well,but was subsequently stripped of the title for the use of'performance enhancers',in the form of a train which he hopped on to cover some of the route.Plus ce change..
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I've been with CQN from the start and contributed quite a bit with another nickname but gave it a rest for a few months as I got fed up with the mineshaft mob and those who will never accept Strachan.
The recurring Kojo / Collie / etc nonsense was also a recurring pain and an irritation. He had caused deep offence to me and others with his views re faith and I decided like others to scroll by.
I've been back two days and find that he is still contaminating the site. He has no defence whatever for using the term he did and his grotesque manure should never be seen again on CQN.
I congratulate you Paul for your action re his recent post and for your magnificent achievement with CQN but please - no more from this source.
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It may come as news to excellent CQNers but I usually think about what I'm going to post.
I am struggling to think of a scenario in which I would type in the word'Nig-nog'and not expect it to cause offence,ancient Lancastrian usage notwithstanding.
Similarly I can find evidence of a time in which terms such as'moron''imbecile'etc were defined clearly in terms of the person's IQ.We don't use these terms now.
The thing I'm least surprised about is that it is one of the'Coterie'that's used the term.
Their credibility,if they ever had any,is falling faster than the barometer.
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Paul67
Re: Banned word.
Undestood completely.
My post was not do defent the right to use the word, it is one that i could not contemplate using, rather my post was in defence of Collie's reason.
I did not want to immediately jump on the Idea that he/she is rascist as I have no idea whether said word has ever been used in the derogatory sense in the United States of America - it seems to be a very British Invention seemingly having stemmed from the series Love Thy Neighbour where a yorkshire word with a similarity to a derogatory term becomes synonomous with said derogatory term.
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Collie Collie - i see you've committed an act of sheer folly. So haud up yer hands & let it be done way
I don't condone chat like that either, but you lot going after the wee dugs tail should have a word with yourself. The reaction was ITN - esque, mixed in with Chris Morris interviewing Mad Frankie Fraser, Dr Fox & Phil Collins.
Nonce - Sense!
Out of curiousity how many of you taking the moral high ground with Collie's faux pas - refer to visiting your local Chinese Restaurant as exactly that?
Anyway - i'm bored with this tittle tattle, let's talk about stuff like - the worst goal celebration you've ever seen & why there's hardly any players with moustaches nowadays
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Collie
that there might be some obscure meaning to the term which you sued which just might tenuously be defensible does not make it excusable. In general parlance it is a derogatory term used against people of coloured skin. Indeed your defense that the British Army used it to describe raw recruits for their stupidity leads me to question from whence they derived the derogatory term. Colonialism in Africa and India spring to mind.
I would suggest some reflection and a bit of humility rather than attempts at intellectual master debation would be in order.
As a young boy growing up in Paisley there was a symbol that stood large above the Robertson's jam factory. I'm sure it was not meant to cause offence but offence was caused and thankfully that symbol is no longer deemed acceptable by any right minded individual (save perhaps the late but not lamented Bernard Manning).
Freddiebhoy
Officially retired but still play fives in Edinburgh with young Edinburghers fae work. A bit slower and blowin oot mae own arse after 10 mins but still got a cultured left peg that Zico might have opined could open a tin of beans.
Still 0.4 of a decade younger than Freddiebhoy :-)
Howz the wife and kids? You could e-mail me at steelica@btinternet.com and catch up. I promise I'll no pass your address on to Vince
Mills.
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Vargas at 10.18
Just to clarify: I don;t use the words 'Chinky' or 'Paki' and others like them. Not because it is 'PC' or fashionable not to do so. But because they are deeply insulting. I claim no moral superiority - just seeking intelligent exchange of views in a mature society. I will never tolerate people who use terms like that and will always challenge them. All that is needed for such cancer to spread is for decent people to do nothing. This sad person has distracted us from anticipating the coming season and his manure has no place here.
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PVSDB - I agree with you 100% as do the majority of reasonable people that these terms are unnacceptable, but lets hope that the guy is big enough to remove his comment.
For me the issue has been addressed loud & clear & it's positive to see that as many people feel the same way.
All i'm saying is that rather than letting it consume us & we have a sceanrio 900 posts later where we're just repeating ourselves - we've addressed it very quickly & there's nothing more to add.
Now it's time to get back to the real issues like - Why does Gary Caldwell think he's Franz Beckenbauer
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afore you knew whit tae dae
If it said Collie, stay away
If you didnae want precious time stolen
Look for "Collie" an' just keep scrollin'
Cryptic cobblers and dodgy clues
Collie ay put forth his views
The dog's b-------, or so he thought
Turns oot the drivel game is fraught
For the dug has turned and bared his teeth
Gies us a glimpse o the beast beneath
Nasty language and affy loathing
Oor dug's a wolf in sheep's clothing
Away back to yer cryptic crosswords
Yer pal Spaniel, tail's a waggin'
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Freddiebhoy, thank you for getting me back to football (kind of).
The Newcastle United/HM Customs dispute will not be the cause of the raid, though it may have forced Her Majesty’s servants (the irony is not lost on me) to take a closer look at certain transactions.
VAT disputes are fairly common (it is no longer ‘the simple tax’) and reading the nature of this dispute, I can understand how an honest misreading of the rules could occur.
The change of ownership at Newcastle could also have brought a lot of information into new hands. There is also the ‘Thatcher effect’ at Rangers now – rulers have been in charge for so long that they have annoyed many people who can harm them.
In summary:
A VAT investigation could have uncovered wrongdoing.
New staff/owners/advisers at Newcastle could have done the same.
A formerly loyal friend might have turned disloyal.
Another theory not mentioned.
Financial investigations are seldom carried out quickly. This will hang around for a long time, undermining every aspect of corporate life as it does.
While the Newcastle VAT dispute was a 'legitimate' dispute (i.e. openly declared action), VAT fraud or Tax Evasion (if you have committed the former, you have usually committed the latter) will see those charged put in Gaol (I have never used that word before this week, but I think I will be using it a lot from now on).
NBNC, completely understood.
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Varga
Player moustaches! Is it a Goalie Thing?
Seb Dykstra, Stefan Klos - 70's adult actor moustaches
Grobbellar - crazy man moustache.
Which outfield player has had the most unfashionable moustache in recent times?
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Look.............................
IMHO
I for 1 don’t think “it” ……………………
was that bad......................
we are all different..................
the comments been deleted...............
Big P wants to run a sensible ship
lets ALL move on............
AND……………………………..
What’s wrong with a moustache…………..
BigJoeWhoDOSENThaveamoustacheByTheWay
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To move on from this diversionary debate, I wonder if any older CQNers could give me some info on Sandy Gall's burst nose whilst presenting News At Ten in the early 80s.
Any anecdotes, memories or even sub-Ustinov chat-show-filler commentary is welcome.
Tutti
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NBNB
what about the kings attempt at growing a moustache.
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Hi Paul
Nobody on here is keener than I am to focus on football. I loved what I saw at QPR on Sunday and think we finally have the engine in S Brown to drive us forward. Kennedy looked sharp, Donati impressed and I'm up for the new season.
Lets get CQN back to football. You are, rightly, the only one with the power to fumigate the site. Demand an apology from you-know-who and make it clear that his posts will be deleted unless he adopts normal behaviour and language and then we can all get back to CQN at its best
Pax Vobiscum
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nae bread...
Chris Kamara??
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Well, I'm glad I went to bed at a sensible hour last night and missed the night shift.
Moustaches in football, there's a topic to lighten up the morning. And what about beards? Is football simply following the fashion of less facial hair these days, or is there something more sinister at work? Do clubs ban facial har?
Maybe it was a 70s thing? The late Derek Dougan at Wolves is the one I always remember from black and white Match of the Day with his Zapata moustache. Closer to home, Willie Miller sported a splendid 'tache for many years.
I'm sure Peter Latchford kept goal wearing a beard for many years, and Danny Mac had one too. Any others?
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Tutti-sounds more like the louche Reginald Bosanquet,than action man Sandy.
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Arthur Lee on the kings moustache
I must reserve my right to silence as a mark of respect to Mr Larsson.
No Comment!
Nah,. I canny help ma'sel ! What was he thinking?
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Paul,
I heard around a year ago that Newcastle and Rangers were about to be investigated by the tax man, a mate works there. He was under the impression that this was going to be a big story and would cause a lot of trouble for both clubs. I agree that this seems to be deeper than that and as you say I wonder if this has opened up a can of worms.
Surely Sourness' luxuriant moustache must surely be the king of them all, though he did have some great competition at Liverpool in those days. :01)
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Ref moustache…………..
Maybe you had to be there...
however funniest moment happened when 2 of Dundee finest police were arguing with one Bhoy who objected to their presence blocking his view,both PC's had moustaches and were in deep debate with upset Bhoy,when duty Sergeant appeared (clean shaven) to help defuse situation.
Que shout from 3 rows back...hey you **** off moustaches only ....
as I said maybe you had to be there
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Morning Paul and fellow devotees of CQN,
I tried to post earier but couldn't, for whatever reason.
As one who defended the likes of Collie and his coterie pals' right to put forward their views on here in the past (and whom I normally scroll passt, as I can't fathom them), I am glad the derogatory phrase from last night has been deleted by your good self, Paul. Growing up in Glasgow, the word was common parlance like some others,which are now no longer used. In mitigation, I can only think that the same isn't true in the USA. Collie, being appraised of matters, should be big enough to apologise and get on with entertaining those who enjoy his meanderings.
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The lack of moustaches in football is indeed a worrying trend. FIFA are said to be investing heavily in football academies in the middle east in an attempt to address the problem.
Also Nike are reportedly at advanced stages of negotiating a 3 year moustache contract with David Beckham. However this has caused friction with Beckham's other commercial partners, in particular Gillette.
A suggestion to bring Graeme Sounness in as the "face of FIFA" was however, rejected out of hand.
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Taches
John Wark had a cracker, did he not?
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Bambi, with millions of pounds passing through several hands the opportunity and temptation must be there for football clubs to risk tax evasion.
Our own house (I would hope) should be in good order, magnifying the importance to separate the executive from the major shareholders.
Remember, Lester Piggot was a cherished sporting institution, but he ended up in Gaol.
SleepSoundlyAtNightCSC
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Paul Hartley basing his look upon early 1970s John Greig is something I think which should be roundly condemned.
There was a midfielder with WBA in the 70s/80s, Tony Grealish - Irish too? - who had a good beard, and from Panini World Cup stickers memory, several of the Hungarian squad at the 86 World Cup squad sported yeti-type beards.
On holiday last year I picked up a compendium book of Panini World Cup sticker albums, right through to 2002. Some amazing memories in there, and my Desert Island Hoops book of choice.
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I always thought Ian Rush's tache was quite in keeping with the times!
PS - anyone know where the JJB/JAB money went?
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come to think of it
does anyone know where the HMRC money went?
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Somebody posted earlier that they thought it was Gravesen that Collie was refering to in his deleted post………….
On initial reading, I too thought the same, it was only on further reading that I was in fact offended and somehow, what I actually took offence to seems to have been overlooked.
I started this earlier but had to go out to buy a drink for and deliver a wedding present to a friend returning to Scotland for his up coming wedding. He is a fellow Scotsman,.fellow glasweigian and a Rangers supporter. I asked him what his initial interpretation of the phrase meant, his first reaction was the same as mine.
I started this before I went out………
NeilR
Was thinking of your post as I drove home this afternoon and thought somewhere along the ways we were actually dissecting from different perspectives?
Collie’s first post had me wondering and on first reading I thought to myself ,
’No, surely he doesn’t mean Bobo. Possibly Tommy G., but not Bobo.’
It was the 5th line of his second post at 23.35 where again there is a degree of ambiguity but my understanding from that was, yes, with that fifth line he is intentionally, or not, linking the phrase with the colour of a persons skin.
The presentation of the line nefarious as it is contains ample scope for confusion, misinterpretation and for offence to be taken.
Both first and second posts are ambiguous but the link is there to be drawn.
Whether intended, or not, on Collies part, I made the link.
I appreciate the time difference and that Collie may not have yet have considered................
I have now come in and on reading back on the blog that post is still there at the time of writing.
I don’t want to labour the point and I am going to back off but Collie read back your post and try and see what others may have seen.
I don’t think it was intentional but it reflects badly.
Apologies for revisiting but it is the second post that should be deleted. It is the second post that Collie should explain.
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I believe under Jock Stein the Celtic players were banned from sporting facial hair.
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Taches/Beard
Back in his day, heres a monstrosity from Mr Beckhams new BOSS!
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test
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Antonio Scirea and Claudio Gentile both sported Campioni del Mondo moustaches in the early 1980s.
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Comedy moustaches
Ricky Villa of Spurs.Fondly remembered for doing three laps of wembley after scoring in the FA cup final.
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Alexei Lalas is Brian Kilclines lovechild!
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Hello again Paul
Have you no comment on my post at 11.19?
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John(I swallowed a ferret) Wark in the classic movie Escape to Victory
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Paul...Back to original topic..I've always been for change to our domestic situation and was very interested to read about the Adratic League. However, one thing that could scupper any league like this would be the possible imbalance of countries represented.
Example, in the Yugoslav league there were about 8 Serb sides, 4 each from Bosnia and Croatia and most importantly, NONE from Macedonia. As this league would take up European slots, what would happen if the Slovenian teams say, got relegated and there was no European football to play for which even for smaller nations is a cash windfall. Although it's unlikely, if Celtic/Rangers were both to get relegated or even Ajax/Feyenoord/PSV, would these sides be happy to go back to their respective leagues with no European football. It's conceivable that in a few years, no Montenegrin sides would be in the Adratic league, leaving them in the same situation as now, albeit with no chance of European football. Could it be possible then, they'd hanker for the days they could play each other with the carrot of CL football as reward again. Interesting point and one I'd be keen to hear these Balkan clubs address.
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I sent an email a few years back to the club pledging - £500 to a charity of their choice if Chris Sutton grew a moustache and played one game with it. For me he was the prime candidate for facial hair. Unfortunatley they never got back to me.
Anyway here's a cracker of a site to get a look at
Football Moustaches and Duff Hairstyles of Yesteryear
Hugh Sproat is particularly terrifying.
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Heres one from the world of athletics, GUESS WHO? ;o)
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MichaelCollins :- I hope you don't mind me disagreeing with a point you made when you said "Use of these terms belongs on Rangers fan sites certainly not on here " While it may be allowed on some sites the majority of sites I use wouldn't tolerate it. The site I use most "GersForum" has as it's first two rules.
1. No bigotry or sectarian behaviour of any kind.
2. No abusive, threatening, defamatory, racist, obscene or ilegal content.
While it may be wrong that such rules are needed on the site I don't recall any racist or sectarian comments being allowed to stay on the Forum. We all have racists and bigots in our supports, with the side of fan base it would be surprising if there wasn't. The thing to do is always combat it not use the comment for a dig at the other support. As far as I'm aware I'm the only Rangers fan who posts openly on here so any rows about racism are from your own fans.
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Lovejoysalegend
heres a pic from Before she found those protein drinks
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Otto K
Check out the 3 players at Watford, I think one of them is even wearing fake EYEBROWS!
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OB
:o))))))))
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The mega moustache……………………
Award…………………………
Must surly go 2………………………..
that cricketing chap…………………
Merve the Swerve…………………
He had the daddy of all moustache’s
Any one actually own up to having………..
HAD a moustache…………….
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BigJowWhiISENTsaying
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lovejoy - those Watford players reminded me of the old board game Guess Who? - does he have a moustache? Yes. does he have sandy brown hair? Yes. Does he have fake eyebrows? Yes.
Is it Paul Atkinson of Watford FC?
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If ever there was a player born to be a porn star, check out Bobby Smith of Leicester City!
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lovejoys
Brilliant. And Steve McKenzie at WBA seems to have trouble shedding those few holiday pounds. And WBA sponsored by 'No Smoking'. I used to hate the fact the Scottish ones were half-sized.
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I don't know,any excuse to put up a picture of Albert Kidd.
The West Brom player-Steve mckenzie-that's some double chin he's got!
Best player with a moustache-Roberto Rivelino.
Best player with a beard-George.
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Otto K
Yup, you would swear he had drawn them on himself cause he heard he was getting his phottie taken :o)
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bbc scotland deal
what does this mean anyone know. Will there now be a 'Match of the Day' style show?
Will I be blocked from seeing it in England on my Sky?
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Davie Dodds
elephant man, with no more than bumfluff under his nose!
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new article posted.
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Sheffield Utd have signed ex-Villa Lee Hendrie so presumably no longer chasing Graveson.
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Bloke 109
Mc Kenzie is about the same size as Darcheville at TFOD, who looks to be twice the size of Hartson
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Pastyface-I don't see why you shouldn't still get the highlights programme on Sky.
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Edward U
I didnt say such comments would be allowed on a Rangers fans forum, I said they belonged on a Rangers fans forum.
You may say all clubs have their share of racists and bigots but I'm afraid the truth is Rangers have way more than their fair share. anti-Irish racism is institutionalised at Ibrox and I'm sure you wont deny that monkey chants and nazi salutes are common place.
This is probably why the BNP targeted Rangers fans as the focal point of their recruitment campaign north of the border.
I've never read Gers Forum but I have read follow follow which is the most populer Rangers fan site. I'm sure some of the language used here last night by one individual would be widely utilised there.
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Sorry to darken the mood but I have spent an hour trying to word this properly.
I am sickened by Bill Leckie.
The media simply will not allow the crisis that is developing at Ibrox to go unbalanced.
They need something of similar proportion to even things up. Leckie has fathomed new depths of depravity.
What was started by a DJ then followed up by Leckie, furthering the oxygen it craves, proves two points.
First, ignoring the most acidulous , crass and desperate morons who invented this as a point scoring exercise, having absolutely nothing left to crow about, did not make it go away.
Second, the complete complicity of Murray and his media lackeys by their silence whilst it gathered momentum exposes the berevity of compassion they have for anyone involved in the Torbet case.
It seems to me that as Rangers continue on their terminal decline they shall go with all the dignity we have come to expect.
Schadenfraude does not even come close.
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Well done Paul for the action against Collie. I, like many others, just scroll past his postings and had done so re. this one but on reading the comments went back to read it. Absolutely not what,I would hope, the majority of Celtic fans would want to be associated with. I think Ritchie Donovan summed it up perfectly.
Collie, I hope your tail's been neutered.
On another subject this American insight into our history and present team is worth a read
American View
