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canny be!
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Telt ye couldnae be me
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Paul
Obviously the fraud enquiry could run for a while.
Any chance UEFA could suspend TFOD from European competition for financial irregularities?
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Kanus are clearly favourites to go through and meet our cash strapped, desperate foes. What are the chances of them being dumped out? OK, they would be in the UEFA Cup, but this season has shown the financial shortfall that would create. And we would again get all the TV money.
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From last thread...
Paul much as I enjoy seeing TFOD languishing in the harsh spotlight of the City of London police I think that there is a reasonable explanation of what you refer to in your [last] thread-header as the 'missing money'. I think it is much more likely that the later transaction between Newcastle and Rangers is where they are focusing their attentions.
Firstly, if we take the gain of £8.4m on the sale of player registrations as reported in their 05 accounts, it is entirely conceivable that this is an accurate figure.
If we assume that as Boumsong arrived on a free that there was no way that the club could capitalise the player registration for anything other than what they paid for him (which was nothing). So his registration would sit in the books at zero value. More of this later though.
Arteta signed for Rangers in July 2002 for £5.8M. If we assume that he was on a three year contract it would be a reasonable assumption to make that Rangers amortized the transfer fee over 3 years (i.e. 33% each year) and his book value would be £1.9M (i.e one third of the initial book value) at the end of his second year. When he was sold back to Spain for £2.7M (less the £1.9M on the balance sheet) there was thus a book gain of £800k on Arteta’s registration.
When Boumsong was later sold for £8M then we could have the situation that the gain including that from Arteta was £8.8M (£8M from Boumsong, £0.8M from Arteta). Given the fact that when Boumsong signed we were told that he had a generous signing-on fee to secure his signature (which Rangers may have initially capitalised and then deducted from the transfer fee of £8M from Newcastle) it is, therefore, conceivable that there is no missing money in the transactions at all.
Obviously, I am making several assumptions myself and I know that the police aren’t investigating for a laugh but I think there is more to it than your thread header suggests.
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Hopefully WGS will have a reasonably settled first XI by then. We have 4 friendlies and 2 SPL games before August 14/15.
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Tuttifrutti
Thanks for your insight. It helps us financial remedials immensely.
However, if this were the investigation, presumably the Stevens people would not have flagged up this transfer as one of the ones they were concerned about and the City of London detectives would not have gone to all the trouble of going to Glasgow.
Plus, you'd have to assume that Rangers would have raced into print with this information.
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GM,
Many thanks for the response last night, apprieciated.
Can anyone tell me who would be criminaly implicated / liable for any indiscresions? Does it go to the top, i.e. DM?
Cheers
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I said 'investigation'. I meant 'explanation'.
Not just remedial finance.
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Celtic First
Thanjs for your response.More nonsense from me at end of previous topic.I`m off to do some bathing
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Sun bathing I hasten to add
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C1st-of the top of my head,my'Desert Island Hoops'moments:
Celtic 2 Inter 1.
Celtic 6 Rangers 2
Celtic 5 Rangers 1-the wee Slovak magician.
Celtic v Rapid Vienna-I know the eventual outcome was hard to take but for a single,standalone Euro-experience that night at CP had it all.
Celtic 7 St Mirren 1-for FXMcgarvey's goal on the stroke of halftime
Celtic 5 St Mirren 0-Albert Kidd,ecstasy in the radio-active rain
Celtic 2 St Johnstone 0.I wasn't going to miss this one!
Celtic 0 Barcelona 0-90 minutes of sofashredding agony from the Camp Nou,then the great feeling we were big Bhoys in Europe again
Book-'the Glory and the Dream'
Luxury-to be watching the games from the Jungle,or leaning against a barrier in the Celtic end.
Maybe if C67 don't want to do it CQN could run it as a separate thread?
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From Previous Thread...
Ardoch 16/07/07 23:37
I was at St Stephens from 1970-1977, so you must be a couple of years younger than me. When you left I would have been in primary 7 with Mrs Glen.
Do you remember Le Petit Merde?
Jama
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ps Good luck to the New Saints Tonight.Come on the Hoops!
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Lovejoy, no chance.
TuttiFrutti, agree there are lots of unknowns. The next few days should be interesting, I know that the old media are currently very busy on this story.
Jinkynewton, there are not too many layers to pass through at Rangers before you get to the top.
Dontbrattback, excellent choices. I would not have thought about the Rapid game, but it was a v special atmosphere.
Good idea for a thread, thanks.
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Desert Island Hoops, what a great idea.
dontbratback, you have conjured up so many memories in one post. The Rapid game was certainly a hell of a night, as was the wee trip to Manchester that followed. I would add the 5 - 0 Sporting Lisbon game, one of my favourite European victories. And of course Boavista, the feeling that we were into the final was amazing.
In recent times, the last 10 minutes of the Man U game, and especially the final whistle when we knew were through is hard to beat.
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I like some of today's luke warm headlines - 'Rangers co-operating with Police investigations'???
The Old Media in this country are as bent as The Forces of Darkness.
It's nice to see that the back pages are dominated with 'Celtic Trialist forgetting his passport?'. If we were implicated in any corruption investigation the media coverage would be a bit more intense i feel.
Will Things ever change
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Leeds at Hampden must have been special.
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DBBIA...
Was the 5-0 v St Mirren the one that, allied to Hearts' 0-2 reverse against Dundee, clinched Celtic the title after one of the greatest "claw backs" ever?
But where is the 4-2 come-from-behind win against TFoD to clinch the title in (was it?) 1978-9? Surely that one is worthy?!
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Celtic 4 Rankers 2 for me.
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That's the whole thing-there are so many great memories!One of my favourites was a 3-2 win at Parkhead,played in a cloudburst,when PMcstay emerged as a fully fledged Jedi!
The 4-2 game I missed because it was in the middle of my Finals,and I thought the highlights were going to be on TV,'til some evil conspiring masonic Bolsheviks at STV pulled the plug.
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BigChipSuk (13.12)
It may not be worthy to DBB, and it may be worthy to you - That's the beauty of "Desert Island Hoops". Inform, stir memories, and stir debate!! :)
Personally, Lubo trapping the ball with his bahooky is a special memory for me - he was a special talent indeed.
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So if anyone wants to join in-the format is simple -you are castaway on a desert island with your 8 favourite Celtic moments.
You also get a book,and a luxury.
So,pick 8 out of 8 trillion.No pressure!
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The valuation of B's registration on acquisition is probably at the heart of the 'gain on disposal' issue. There is a clear future benefit in acquiring the registration of a French International player, which would suggest that the registration should appear on the balance sheet as an asset. Clearly, Rangers did this - as they recorded a 'gain on disposal' figure in their P&L Account.
As was mentioned in the previous thread, the gain would be the difference between the written down value of the asset and the net proceeds of sale.
Unless there are specific rules or guidelines regading the valuation of Bosman player registrations which I don't know about (and this is entirely possible!) then the figures could be fair enough.
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Top 3 for me:
1. Celtic 2 Inter Milan 1
2. Celtic 2 Leeds United 1
3. Celtic 4 - Rangers 2 -even though I was in the middle of Spain and only found out on the 11.00 news on Radio 2! The commentator only got as far as "And Celtic are the new League Champions of Scotl..." before we all went wild and had to wait another hour to get the actual score!
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From the previous thread
At 17/07/07 10:15, Parkheadcumsalford said…
derbyshirebhoy @9.28,
That Morton game you mention, was that one of those times when Yogi ran amok in his sannies? I think I was in the Jungle that day. I can't remember the Clyde gaem. That wasn't the occasion Bertie sat on the ball, was it? i was there that day but I have a feeling that game was played late in the season, like Easter time.
*I believe that was the 6-1 game, the last of the 1970/71 season where we had equaled our own six-in-a-row record at Hampden against Ayr United on a Thursday night. We had played at Love Street on the Tuesday if my memory serves me well and then the Bully Wee on the Saturday.
It was also the last time the Lisbon Lions would take the field. The Faither who led them out didnae actually play because of injury with Evan Williams in goal instead. It was also John Clark's final game before he left for Morton, he was no longer a first team player by then. It was also wee Bertie's last game and he was carried off shoulder high at the end, he was subsequently transferred to Hibs where he saw out his playing days, his last game as a Hibee was at Hades in a Hibee victory where he also sat on the ball.
My memory of the Clyde sitting on the ball incident from my viewpoint in the Jungle in front of which he performed it was of Stevie Chalmers shirricking him for it, don't know if it was for wasting time or embarrassing the opposition.
We completed the double a few weeks later in one of Jinky’s finest games a replay where he tortured big Ham and Egg, only 4 Lions played that Wednesday night, the end of an era had taken place.
Going back to the Clyde game, only 35,000 spectators were there although it was a packed house. Work was being completed on the old stand which was officially opened the following September, and we played out the season at Hampden hence winning the only “home” title in our NIAR sequence away at Hampden.
Why we completed the season at home against Clyde is a bit of a mystery although rumour had it at the time that the Bully Wee refused to play at Hampden hoping to have the game rescheduled to Shawfield where they would be the recipients of a bumper gate. Celtic decided to play to a limited crowd at Celtic Park.
Ironically, a few months later while Celtic Park was completing the renovations we conceded home advantage to the huns and played our home League Cup and League games there, winning all 3 games including the League Cup away game, in the space of 3 weeks.
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Boltonbhoy
Aye, but you made up for it the following season with your wee trip to the Bernabéu on St Joseph's Day.
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Off the top of my head and in no particular order:
St Mirren 0 Celtic 5 (Get it right up you Alex McDonald, Sandy Jardine, Sandy Clarke...)
Celtic 3 Dundee 0 (Chris Morris 1 Andy Walker 2 Celtic Park packed to the rafters)
Celtic 2 Real Madrid 0 (As a kid i'd never seen or heard anything quite like it)
Celtic 2 rangers 1 (League Cup Final 1982, my 1st old firm game, in the pouring rain. You never forget your first)
Celtic 6 rangers 2 (That first 15 minutes in particular)
Celtic 5 Sporting Lisbon 0 (What a power performance from the hoops)
Boavista 0 Celtic 1 The final whistle. (Oh my god, Celtic are in another final, I cannot believe it!)
Haralds goal stopping the 10.
Book: Celtic Champions of Europe 2008.
Luxury: Setanta to watch the hoops!
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Has there be any arrests yet at Ibrox? If not, is there anything we can do as a concerned group of responsible persons to assist the Police and bring about some (as many as possible) early arrests? Top 3 arrest league in order of preference:
1) SM Moonbeams,
2) Permatan Bain,
3) Bazza
Those 3 in handcuffs or another SPL Championship? Close run thing............the championship just gets pipped at the post.
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Most surreal Celtic experience...
Watching George Best playing (and scoring) for Hibs against Celtic at Easter Road sometime around 1980, during my Peebles High School years!
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It is ~3 years since a number of unusual and inflated transfer dealings involving dignity fc and a former employee took place.
The Scottish media remained silent.
It is just over one year since a French paper reported details of a formal investigation into some unusual transfer dealings, one of which surprisingly involved dignity fc, a named senior employee of dignity fc and an unusual transaction involving an agent and a villa.
The Scottish media reported nothing sinister in these peculiar dealings which could be directly related to the unusual transfer activity in 2004 - 2005.
Will the dignified institution remain protected?
Some things are unavoidable ...for sure...
£££Legal Fees
£££PR Fees
...to be added to...
£££Legal Fees
£££PR Fees
in relation to Sectarian issues...
and...
£££Architect Fees
£££Legal Fees
£££PR Fees
£££Other Costs
for the failed Ibrox Super Casino.
How many Naismiths could all that pay for?
Or you could always just retire to a vineyard in France...maybe teach the French about wine?
Chris
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Most surreal tenuously linked to Celtic (King Billy connection) football experience...
The scene:
Me hanging around outside Maine Road (while Billy McNeill was manager of Man City in the mid-80's) on a cold snowy January day, bedecked in Celtic hat & scarf (me, not Billy!), hoping to be able to get some Man City programmes signed.
The action (Act 1):
Suddenly all the players emerge en mass and hop onto a waiting coach to attend training at a local indoor sports centre, because the Maine Road pitch was covered in snow. I get one autograph before all the players are safely on the coach!
(Act 2)
2½ or so hours later (and having walked several laps of the stadium and studied in great detail almost every item of stock in the club shop) the coach reappears. All the players pile back off and head for the players & officials entrance. I get one more autograph.
I manage to catch Billy's attention and ask him if he'd be kind enough to take my programmes inside and get them signed. "Just wait oot here a wee minute" he says.
A couple of minutes later an elderly gentleman in a Man City blazer appears and says "Hello, Mr McNeill has asked me to ivite you in for a hot drink and a look around".
(Act 3)
I then get the full tour of the stadium, including walking up the tunnel onto the pitch (footprints in the snow to prove it!), touring the trophy room, and being introduced to Denis Law who is chatting to some other bloke in the boardroom. Oh, and I shouldn't forget the most welcome hot drink ever, having been stood outside in sub-zero temperatures for the best part of 3 hours.
Surrealism:
All very nice, but you may ask: "What was so surreal about that?"
Well, I didn't reveal the incident at the start of my impromptu tour...
The senior chap who was showing me around realised that I was Scottish and eagerly announced "We have a new Scottish lad on the books here you know... you should meet him." Upon which he led me into the players changing room and I gained the unique distinction of shaking hands with none other than ex Ranger Derek Parlane (I think the irony was lost on my guide) as he stood stark naked in the shower. At least I think it was his hand I shook... I was averting my eyes at the time.
Can anyone else here claim to have shaken hands with a naked former Rangers player?
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Bigchips
Aha. The mystery of the funny handshakes is revealed at long last.
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Gordon_J, 12:21
Kanus are clearly favourites to go through and meet our cash strapped, desperate foes. What are the chances of them being dumped out? OK, they would be in the UEFA Cup, but this season has shown the financial shortfall that would create. And we would again get all the TV money.
If the Darnel were to be knocked out by either Kaunas or Zeta, they wouldn't be in the UEFA Cup: that game is a second round tie, the same stage as we faced Artmedia.
The UEFA Cup Parachute is only avaliable to those teams who lose in the third round (where we come in).
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On the topic of the entries into the balance sheet regarding Boumsong.
I find it hard to believe TFOD would not enter as much of a value as humanly possible.
My reasons for thinking this are as follows;
- TFOD were/are hugely in debt and Bank of Scotland were ready to call in DMs guarantee around about this time as the balance sheet was getting weaker and weaker.
- A senior partner of DM Hall surveyors was asked to value the bigot dome in such a way that it is overly inflated in value. He was asked what it would cost to purchase land the same size as Ipox in Milngavie and build an exact copy of the bigot dome. The reply to this was c£80m which was entered as the value of Ipox.
So if the huns could enter another value of say £3m for Boumsong on purchase, it is an excellent entry to the assets of the huns for no money spent. It would be interesting to gauge what value they are planning to enter for Darcheville, their £3m rated free transfer.
The investigation will lie somewhere between onerous activities as to what money changed hands and where did it go. If it turned out to be that the value of Boumsong and Arteta is correct and no dodgy dealing can be shown then the huns are not automatically off the hook.
If the money appeared in an offshore account as is being suggested, then there will be legitimate calls for tax evasion which carries severe implications.
Therefore it is all a bit funny, I just hope it does not get swept under the carpet, although I am told that Mr Ashley at NUFC will keep this as high profile as possible to show that he will play ball with the authorities and keep his name squeeky clean.
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matt,
You are correct - thanks. So it could be even worse for them!
BigChipSuk,
I can't claim to have met a naked Rangers player, and probably wouldn't admit it if I had! But my favourite Caesar moment was going into McNeill's for a pint and being served by the man himself. A pint pulled by the hands that lifted the European Cup - I didn't know whether to drink it or frame it!
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My most surreal moment as a Celtic fan:
One night, about a year ago, I was walking away from Celtic Park with my Dad. One of his legs is knackered and he walks with the aid of a stick so progress was slow. Then a car pulls up, it's Danny McGrain.
Danny:
"Can I give you guys a lift home"
My Dad:
"If you are going passed the Milton that would be great"
Danny:
"Hop in"
And home he drove us with Danny and us chatting Celtic all the way home.
Danny was always my all time favourite player and he confirmed that night that he is a great guy as well. He didn't know us from Adam, but was happy to stop at the side of the road, late at night, and not only offer to, but drove us home. Top bloke.
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From the Evening times:
"RANGERS are said to be "entirely relaxed" after being dragged into the ongoing investigation into corruption in English football."
That's all right then....
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My most surreal CELTIC experience:
Whilst I was at Stirling University in the early 80's, Celtic signed John Colquhoun from Stirling Albion.
As a regular attender at CP with the St Ninian's CSC, and eager to get as many as possible of my Celtic programmes signed, I regularly either visited CP or posted programmes to the club.
So when JC signed I decided that I'd have more chance of success if I posted programmes to him, rather than any of the big name players, who doubtless received sacks of fan mail every day.
I duly posted 4 or 5 programmes addressed to JC at CP, along with the mandatory SAE.
Anyway, a couple of weeks went by and I heard nothing. Then another week passed, similarly. So I wrote a letter to our John querying the whereabouts of my programmes, and explaining that I ad never known a Celtic player fail to return my programmes when asked... perhaps he hadn't been schooled in The Glasgow Celtic Way?!
Another couple of weeks went by and still I heard nothing, and I was most annoyed! So I wrote to the then Managing Director (whoever that was at the time) and explained what had happened.
The next thing I know there's a knock on the door of my student lodgings early one Friday morning and it's John Colquhoun himself!
He apologised profusely for not returning me signed programmes, and explained that he had never actually received them. (Of course, it hadn't occurred to me that the PO might have been to blame!) Evidently he did receive my follow up letter, but as it was the first piece of "fan mail" he'd received, he had thought it was the other players who had faked it as a wind up, and hence he'd ignored it!
It was only when the MD spoke to him after he too had received a letter that JC realised it was a genuine complaint. So here he was on my doorstep bearing a huge team poster and half a dozen programmes (albeit not the ones I'd sent), all signed by the entire squad... and two tickets to that weekend's game against Rangers.
Boy was I chuffed!
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Gordon_j, is there any truth in the rumour that half an hour after Glasgow's finest(?!) left Ibrox this morning, a delivery van from Carpet Right arrived with a consignment of carpets and a couple of large brushes...?
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Gordon_J
"Entirely relaxed"
Does that not also mean impotent?
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BigChipSuk,
I drove psat Ibrox this afternoon but the only van outside was for a ceramic tile company. Not so much papering over the cracks....
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BigChips,
I heard they raided the trophy room for assets for which to use as security.
They came out with an empty bottle of luczade worth approximately 79p.
That covers Sebo then............
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antonsrightfoot,
It is not so simple that they could put in a value that they liked for Boumsong.
I have just looked at Rangers accounts for period ended 30th June 2006 and noted that they have adopted the historic cost convention for recording of their player registrations which means that all they would have been able to record for Boumsong would be the costs associated with his acquisition (a signing on fee and other expenses e.g. private jet fuel, succulent lamb etc) but that would still rack up nowhere close to his 'worth' going by what Rangers received for him. Even if they thought he was worth £3M there is no way they could try and put that on the balance sheet.
My hunch is that the best we can hope for is that The Beast is tarnished by this rather than anything involving Rangers directly. Still, something for nothing and all that.
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Does anyone know whether our first CL qualifier (Aug 14/15) will be home or away?
Edward....”May you live in interesting times...”
teeheecsc
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ghirlfromthenorthcountry, we won't know the location of our CL Qualifiers till it comes out the hat on August 3rd.
they pull one ball out of the pot of seeds, and one from the non-seeds, and put these two in a hat. It's only once they've come out the hat that anyone even knows which teams were in the hat for any particular fixture. There's no rule about seeds being home first or second.
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The Legend of John 'Dixie' Deans
http://www.keep-the-faith.net/index.htm
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Ghirlfromthenorthcountry :- Why thankyou, I didn't know you cared :-)
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Apologies if this has been posted discussed elsewhere. Taken from 'Red Issue'. Would, if correct tend to narrow it down
a bit?
'However, a clue as to what the police may possibly, in part, be investigating is contained in the Quest report that was released last month. Stevens' team spent 16 months examining the 362 transfer deals between January 2004 and January 2006 and, although refusing to sign off 17 transfers, said that 361 showed "no evidence" of any bungs being paid.
'That left one outstanding deal that the report said had not been examined because "another regulatory authority" was investigating it and Quest had been asked to back off so that the existing inquiry "should not be prejudiced by revealing the identity of the transfer".
Freddiebhoy
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TuttiFrutti,
You would imagine they adopted the historic cost convention once they realised the market value for Tore Andre Flop was about 1/3 of what they paid for him within 8 months of his signing.
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8 months?
Weeks?
Days?
Minutes?
EdU-Are you busy making a nice lamb hotpot with a file in it?
On a less gloating note[!]-I know you're not a big fan of the Knight in Blue Satin.Do you think recent events will hasten,or retard,his departure?
I hear the teambus will be showing the DVD of the Tigershawshank Redemption on the way up to Inverness;)
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My top 5 of games I was ACTUALLY at
1 Celtic 2 Leeds 1 ECSF 1970
2 CELTIC 1 Liverpool 0 ECWCSF 1966
3 Celtic 4 Darnel 0 1969 SCF
4 Celtic 6 Darnel 2 2001 SPL
5 CELTIC 6 HiBS 1 1972 SCF
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TuttiFrutti,
I will bow to your greater knowledge.
However is it not possible to carry a revaluation reserve through the accounts?
Anyhow, I am hoping on the actual cash account showing anomolies to where the money went and what future tax has been ommitted on the balance.
Hopefully as you say, the beast will be the main man in the frame.
Funny that after the documentary was aired a few months past that he was threatening legal action on anyone who pointed the finger at him. It is quite eery that the man is so silent for once in his life. He is probably on the phone to Lester Piggott getting some handy tips !!
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DBBIA :- I would hope it would hasten it, even if nothing is found the taint will still be associated with him now.
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matt_the_bhoy...Thanks for the CL info...
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I'm pretty sure that if this investigation ends up focusing on an individual e.g. an ex manager - then the story will be turned around to show sympathy for RFC as the victims of wrong doing! Can just see the press moving into over drive in it's reargaurd action to defend RFC.
I've not heard any radio reports today, but would be interested to know if any journalists have actually tried to get a comment out of David Murray. The investigation might be sub judice and I suppose limits what can be said - but when in the past has that stopped a frenzied media from at least trying to get some kind of comment from the people involved?
OK, 80% of them are in DM's pockets, and that's a pretty difficult place to ask questions from, but I'd be keen to know if anyone has heard of any journalist who has tried to get a comment from the club chairman?
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Anyone know if the US games will be on live on Setanta or Celtic TV?
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Rakwarro
At least with the involvement of Newcastle & Portsmouth this is a UK story rather than a Scottish one.
I get the impression that the UK media (the London based ones anyway) would like to nail a football club. Newcastle would be their number 1 choice but if in going after them they find the story is at Ibrox I think they'll go after it.
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TontineTim from the last post,
The Clyde game I was referring to where wee Bertie sat on the ball was at Shawfield. I think we were well ahead and they still wouldn't come out of a 10 man defense; so, wee Bertie just sat on the ball, to the great amusement of everybody bar the Clyde players and the MIB, who didn't know what to do.
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Michael__67
I fear not.
From the fishal site:
us games only on channel 67!
Tony Hamilton
THE two matches Celtic will play this coming week in North America can only be seen in one place – Channel 67 – online at www.celticfc.net
The very prestigious clash with the MLS All-Stars on Thursday night (2am Friday morning, Celtic Park time) and the next big pre-season test – the match with Chicago Fire next Sunday will both be live and exclusive on the club’s online subscription service.
Channel 67 also covers every Clydesdale Bank Premier League match live, depending on where you are in the world and is the first place to see each entire match again, regardless of where you are.
The service carries live coverage of most domestic cup ties and European qualifiers so it’s a great way to keep in touch with Celtic.
Existing subscribers can log in here for the USA matches and it’s the same address to join up.
** As there is no host broadcaster in place at Loftus Road, Sunday’s match with Queens Park Rangers will be audio only with delayed highlights available as soon as possible after the game. Also as a Channel 67 subscriber you can watch Celtic'c goals from the Peterborough Utd game from Friday, just log on as usual and go to Latest.
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Oh Murray's empire it is finished now his laptop has been seized
So the greedy eyes of Murray are looking towards the seas
Six hundred miles from Ibrox Park , there's a vineyard full of cash
And he can't be saved by Whitehall
or his father's durty sash.
Oh rock on Rockall.....
Now this scam is barely mentioned, But it' s written in folklore
That Martin Bain took a wad of cash and he threw it in a drawer,
Then he brought a player across the sea, then tried to flog him on,
But the scam became a crock of sand and the player's called Boumsong.
Now the press will still be silent, when Uefa fines the Dobs
And remember Hun Directors will no longer have their jobs,
And remember that Sir Tenner, well, - you'll sell your shares no more
So keep well clear of Rangers - it's rotten to the core.
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The ideal outcome from the point of view of the Skint and his lickspittles in the press would be that an individual,no longer actively employed by the Club,carries the can for any wrongdoing.Think George Graham-Arsenal were able to distance themselves as a club from his recruiting practices quite effectively.
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DBBIA,
Souness would be the obvious sacrificial goat if things went according to the rescue plan.
However...that dodgy Martin Bain villa in France might be a wee bit difficult to pin on Souey?
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monteblanco
Amazing, it fits the tune perfectly.
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My Top 10 (and I'm quite happy to be bettered)
(1) Lisbon
(2) Dunfermline Final '65
(3) Leeds 2-1 (h leg)
(4) Rangers 5-1 1966
(5) St. Mirren 5-0 to win league
(6) Vojvodina
(7) Rangers 7-1
(8) Rangers 6-2
(9) Liverpool (away UEFA game)
(10) Leeds 1-0 (away leg)
Book : Dreams and Songs to sing
Luxury: reliving the whole Seville experience again.
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Sky Sports News just saying they 'understand' Amdil Faye's transfer from Portsmouth to Newcastle is under police investigation, so it does appear that this is an investigation into Transfers, and if the deal was that way, it lends a bit of credit to Newcastle saying they'd done nothing wrong as a Club.
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Can any of you smart techy guys help me re Tims on tv? The old tv has died and I need to buy new. Want to get rid of grabbers SKY TV and stay with SETANTA through FREEVIEW. Does this mean I miss out on some Tims matches eg Champions League. Anyone know a way without SKY?
Thanks.
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there is an old saying; ''its at times like these that you find out who your friends are..''
well every newspaper carried the dignity fc story on their front and back page, every paper that is except one.....
THE GLASGOW EVENING TIMES.
a GLASGOW paper not a national paper and no mention on its front page or its back page about the national scandal unfolding in its region.
absolutely incredible. the back page lead story was Kris Boyd saying he was going for a goal scoring record. HUNBELIEVABLE.
inside the paper the story is mentioned and states...rangers are assisting all they can in the investigation....doh!!!
they have NO CHOICE!!
i have stated on this blog before that celtic fans have a pre-disposition for sentimental victimisation tendecies.
(bhoycotting the record was pathetic and left the fans with egg on their faces when lennon gave them the exclusive on his book and his lovechild)
but there is no paranoia in stating that the glasgow evening times is firmly in the pay of the disgraced knight!!!
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Rakwarro, the old media are all over this one at the moment; when they scent blood, the colour of that blood does not matter.
Off the record comments have been made by the CEO, though not by Zsa Zsa (to anyone who has told me).
Monteblanco, :-)
The 8 greatest Celtic games I have attended and my memory allows me to recall:
St Johnstone 1998
5-1 1998
6-2 2000
Man Utd 2006
Seville 2003, football at the highest standard. We had them for the taking in the second half.
2-4 1983
2-1 League Cup Final 1982, dark skies, pouring rain. Maybe you had to be there.
Hearts, SC Semi Final 1988
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what a day to have computer problems, unable to post all day, and missed all the fun ....however here's my tuppenceworth
there seems to be a view put about by the media that ex employees of Rangers might have to face the music, but that the club will be fine.
if the boumsong transfer is part of this investigation i suspect it won't be that simple :
* Newcastle pay £8 million plus to Rangers for Boumsong. They presumably do not pay anyone other than Rangers.
* Should any of that £8 million find it's way into the hands of any Newcastle employee, then Rangers will be complicict in being party to a fraudulent act.
* Should any monies be paid to a Rangers employee , by a 3rd party, with regard to this transaction, then that employee will be guilty of a fraudulent act
The losers in all of this are the shareholders in Newcastle United Football Club, who have already stated they are not the subject of the investigation. They have also stated that they will take action against anyone who has been guilty of defrauding them. The COLP (fraud squad) have also stated that they are investigating actions which were against the owners and shareholders of football clubs. The absence of any statement from Rangers indicates the COLP don't think it was the Rangers shareholders who have been wronged here. Rangers shareholders were the beneficiary of massive generosity on the part of their former Manager who also happened to have been a former Director of Rangers plc.
The COLP are always on the lookout for high profile cases , which generate maximum publicity. They usually result in calls to the Revenue with offers of settlement or whistleblowers come out and try and save their own skins. I suspect there are individuals at the clubs concerned weighing up the merits of dishing the dirt as far up the food chain as they can, to save their own necks.
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Take them down.
What's Duffield saying about this ?
Uly -
are you around ?
WG
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Just to change the subject a little.
Looks like the English media has discovered that they play soccer in the USA. Channel 5 is to start a weekly MLS round up on 25/7 (or is that 7/25?) called, yes you guessed it - "David Beckham's Soccer USA"
Kinda reminds me of the time when that Italian club changed its name to "Paul Gasgcoine's Lazio"
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Red Hash post on Celticdelia for any interested psych-folksters.
SACK DUFFIELD
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What's that coming over the hill?
Is it the Fraud Squad? Is it the Fraud Squad?
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paul
In the lead up to the 1982 LCF were Rangers not bleating about ticket prices being cheaper for the Celtic end.
They seemed to forget that while they were all under cover we were in the early stages of hypothermia.
My top 8 are not in oredr
1986 Love St
1989 Cup Final
1979 4-2 game
4-3 CL Juventus
UEFA Cup 2-0 at Blackburn (how Souness suffered)
6-2 game
2-0 at New Year, that was it
6-1 against Clyde around 1970-71, my first game
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Nice list Paul,
And excellent headline by the way.
My favourite Euro game from yore was the 5-1 win against sporting lisbon.
I dont get to many games but that was a cracker.
An I was there night if ever there was one.
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Ian In Budapest
Ian, if you are around please be so kind and reply on my e-mail (you will find it on my profile). I'm not sure yet, but probably I'll be with my oldest daughter in Budapest on Friday, Saturday and Sunday. I would like to ask you about interesting places I should see there. Three days is not too much I think. I would not like to wander the streets of your city.
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Evening all,was just flicking through the channels there,onto setanta just as watties fraudsters went a goal down .Watched a bit of the action and i have to say havent seen much to worry us so far.Plenty enthusiasm as Jock Broon puts it.
The next Celtic game on setanta, is Newcastle on thursday week for anyone interested.
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My top 8 games attended would be, in no particular order :-
Brockville (9 in a row)
4-2 game
Amsterdam '82
85 cup final
89 cup final
Henke/Harald stop the 10
6-2 game
Seville(result apart)
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Had a look at the team Rangers put out....does it some up the depth of the Rangers squad, when they have to put out their strongest team this early in preseason?
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Paul
Boomsong? Storm in a Tinny!
If ye t'ink dat Ibrox will awe fa' doon....
den ma advice tae ye is....... DINNAE!
No a chance in da Hoat Place, wull Da Establishment Allow..
Da Ignominious Fa',o' der maist SACRED COW!
Forgetaboot dis Raid, an' it's Implications o' Trouble,
Which wull awe disappear, like a Dee-flated Bubble!
Ah'm afraid, Ray's Too Leery, No tae Cover his Tracks,
He hiz saw awe dis Comin', a guid wee while Back!!
collie.
Tail's Awaggin', Awaggin'
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Collie,
That maybe the case, but muck sticks and it sticks for a long time.......would you do any business with sir Murky or rangers now?
Lets hope he can't sell rangers now and keeps them stuttering along.
Paul,
Going by some of you're post, it seems to me you know more then you're letting on........I get the feeling there's more to this than just the JAB transfer, is that right?
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Collie-
If Sir Dodgy has covered his tracks so well ,then why the dawn raid?
As some of the legal experts that post on here will tell you,its gonnae take a real a master class performance of his smoke n mirror trick to come out of this one unblemished.
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Interesting article in The Guardian on the corruption story. Very heavily hinting that everyone in the game was scratching their heads when Souness paid 8million for Boumsong- not because he was a bad player (although he was)- but because there were NO OTHER BIDDERS.
This, more than the money involved, was what made the deal stink for me.
As for the Scottish press coverage, a special chocolate orange must surely go to Roger Hannah in the Mail. Rangers are apparently "relaxed" about being raided by cops. Indeed, he makes it sound like a bit of an honour to be asked to help the Fraid Squad with their enquiries.
One other thing- a friend in work vaguely connected with Rangers said he expected one very vain man with a suntan to be sweating profusely at this monent- and not just because of Boumsong, but also because of his Austrian shopping trip this time last year...
Allegedly.
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hi paul.fellow celts . cant get too excited at the police getting involved at rangers. the karaoke star will have been well briefed and backing from the laptop loyal, as gg stated in an earlier post should see the problem disappear. at least with the london police heading the investigation we have at least got to hear about it.
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ItaliaBhoy -
In that case should we not be worried about SP going to Villa? At the time MON bid for him, if memory serves me correctly, there were no other serious bidders in for him. Or am I getting confused in my old age?
Away to the Turra Teser for a small glass of dry sherry.
Will check i later to see if the grey cells have finally gone awol.
Cylur
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Lynott67
As Mr.Skeetzik, done tole us,
Da smell of COOKIN', wull meet da Fuzz!...
When dey rush like Gangbusters, into to da Ibrox Kitchen...
Alas!
Dey wur too late!!...
Wuz dat no Bitchin'?
collie.
Tail's Awaggin',Awaggin'
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Champions League Qualifiers-
latest-
FT Olimpi Rustavi 0 - 0 FC Astana
FT Khazar Lenkoran 1 - 1 Dinamo Zagreb
86' APOEL Nicosia 2 - 0 BATE Borisov
14' TNS 0 - 0 Ventspils
14' Zeta Golubovci 0 - 0 Kaunas
20:45 Linfield ? - ? Elfsborg
21:00 S.S. Murata ? - ? Tampere United
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Another interesting pre-season result-
Hanover -1 The Club Currently Under Investigation By The Fraud Squad -0
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Curly - Celtic turned down numerous offers from Pompey (for sure) and Fulham (if memory serves me right) in the days leading up to him going to Villa.
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This is a strange one-
Champions League Qualifier to be played tomorrow night-
FC Sheriff v FC Rangers
Bet it's not the last time we see those names matched against each other........
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To add a wee bit to Italiabhoy's post, The Guardian piece also says that Bobby Robson took a look at Boumsong before being sacked by Newcastle, while the player was still at Auxerre. It says he decided JAB wasn't worth going for (even as a Bosman).
Rangers player Newcastle in a pre-season friendly that year and, according to the same paper, Alan Shearer vindicated Bobby Robson's decision after the game because big Boum Boum was more of a fluffy pom-pom (no one's saying it made him a bad person).
Imagine the amazement all round Tyneside, then, when Souness comes in and lavishes £8.2 million on the big guy. Especially after his first match: he was given the runaround by DJ Campbell in an FA Cup Tie against non-league Yeading.
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Tom Hunter has just announced that he's giving £1 billion to charities working in Scotland and Africa.
Well done, sir. No question.
Does this mean his alleged interest in buying Rangers could be at an end? If so, wonder what brought that on.
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Noel
That's FC Ranger's (note the misplaced apostrophe) of Andorra. Until recently, they were called something like Charlie's Pizza Place Ranger's.
So it's even more spooky because that's what our beloved Rangers will be called soon.
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Whoooooooft !
42' Zeta Golubovci 2 - 0 Kaunas
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Paul
Enuff o' dat Stuff!
On wid da show!
Is it poassible dat Nae a Smith tae Cel'ic may go?
It is a stretchy bit, but from where I do sit...
It looks like da fire of Gordo's interest,
is still awe aglow!
Stranger t'ings hiv happened... as ah'm sure ye dae know!
In dis crazy season, anything goes...
Look at da Array o' Cel'ic Players... who's chance o'
gettin' a game,
Is woise dan a Drunk Pigeon, in findin' it's way Hame!
Dae we really need another Player tae add tae da mix?
If we dinna release some,soon... den we'll be in a fix!
Still, der is plentee o' time tae discard oor Refuse,
But at da moment, Parkheid is an o'er crowded, Hoose!
collie.
Tail's Awaggin', Awaggin'
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I read the Guardian article last night and thought that it definitely wasn´t a case of being clever with hindsight. Every man and his dog was flabbergasted by that piece of buisness. Except fot the hungry bears at the time who will swallow any crumb of comfort thats coming their way. It gave Ibrox a feelgood factor at a very cagey point in their financial plight. It happened when the money was a bigger problem than it was today. The fact that they had the bare face cheek and gall to later that year engineer his winter transfer not even waiting a year shows them up for the disrepectful conceited self righteous scum that they are. That the Bears swallowed it yet again shows how very very timid and gullible a lot they really are. I wonder if they can retospectively analyse how they felt at the time and dont make the mistake that they were not being led up the Garden path by not just Souey but by Sir Minty as well and he was either doing it to line Souey´s pockets and Glasgow Rangers´s while ripping of Newcastle fans their special friends.
If I had a cent for every time that I have been called paranoid even by tic fans I could have an Army of Boumsongs. One last question can anybody tell me what X is
A BOSMAN+A BOUMSOBG + x = A WEBSTER
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x = a backhander
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or........
x = a wee hoose in La Belle France.
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or.......
x = a permatan.
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or
x+a= cell
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:))))))))
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surely "x" = the JJB money?
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Ludovic Guily joind Roma for £3.2 million euro's ,with a further 1.2million euro's to be paid if Roma,achieve certain goal's.
I don't know what his wages are,but if we could have offloaded JJ and TG ,then this guy would have been great for us.
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Just for a laugh I was reading Follow Follow earlier. Well, what other reason is there?
I don't know how representative this lot are of the Rangers' support, but I was amazed how many posts were anti-Murray & co. They are worried that the club didn't make a statement a la Newcastle, i.e. we're not being investigated. And many seem to think that there could be something in the allegations.
Lots of worried people tonight.
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C L latest.
76' TNS 2 - 1 Ventspils
76' Zeta Golubovci 3 - 1 Kaunas
61' Linfield 0 - 0 Elfsborg
46' S.S. Murata 1 - 0 Tampere Unit
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Gordon
One person who clearly thinks there is something in the allegations in Lord Stevens. He signed off on 95% of the transfers his enquiry examined. The rest offered him circles he couldn't square up.
I'm sure he looked at all the obvious possible explanations before authorising more public money to go towards clearing them up. I know the City of London Police is working independently of his enquiry. They too would have to be satisfied there was something afoot here before taking the action they have already.
So what I'm saying is, there's no smoke without fire.
They're onto something those Follow Follow people.
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I decided to have a wee sneaky peak on FF a few nights ago (well, I've had the broadband up & running for a few weeks now, and I thought it was time to start exploring some of the less wholesome corners of the interweb!)
But they certainly have a thorough signing-in process - name, address, mobile phone no, bowler hat size, etc. Gave up in the end...
What the heck goes on in there?
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Gordon/Celtic First-
you are correct-
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Gold Star Poster
Join Date: 29-07-2006
Posts: 3,161
Default Re: Tom Hunter
Quote:
Originally Posted by Le Capitan
If Tom Hunter wanted Rangers then why hasn't he come calling before?
I think the answer is David Murray and perhaps the state that the books are in. Is it any coincidence that we have a police investigation and Murray as owner."
That wasn't me .
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TheGreenTrumpet,
so you never got to the part where they ask Goat or Sheep.......left trouser-leg rolled up and so on, I could go on, but this is a family site. :-)
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tinytim 20.58 you just beat me to the post there mate .he would have been a top notch signing for us, i dont know too much about whats going on behind the scene,but we always seem to have trouble getting rid of dead wood.maybe paul or collie could enlighten us if enough is being done to get our misfits towards the door .that was a missed opportunity.
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Given the general feelgood factor, I actually clicked through to James Traynors article in the Record this morning.
Written in his 'succulent lamb' style prose we got treated to the fact that Gordon Smith knew that everything was too quite yesterday morning - and with his radar twitching, turned on the telly to find that Ibrox was being raided by the Old Bill.
"Too quiet"....Whit???
The implication seems to be that he didn't get his usual morning wake up call and instructions from Dodgy Dave?
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Lostrambling, you are correct. Tickets for the ash slope I stood on were £3.00. Tickets for the Rangers end were £3.50. Big Billy nailed the protest dead in his post match interview.
Thanks Corrib04, the Sporting Lisbon game was great too; McGarvey, McAdam, McClair (sp).
Scottish football was fun in the early 80s.
Collie, I am all for letting Zsa Zsa stew in this one for a while. Whether he has seen this coming or not, the City of London Police will undermine every relationship he has.
Do you want a tip? Watch his relationship with the 11% owner of his holding company.
Gerry, there was not a whisper of this before it broke. Despite some views here that the old media will go softly on them, there is a feeding frenzy going on under the surface at the moment, every source is being tapped.
Before any of them publish, they need water tight information.
Celtic First, well done to Sir Tom. A Rangers fan, but I am assured not interested in becoming any more.
Collie, true, the squad is in need rationalisation, but fear not, I hear the continents are showing signs of movement.
TheGreenTrumpet, “bowler hat size” :-)
Gordon J, it is only two years since I stood at a non-match-day gathering Celtic Park with some influential Celtic fans bemoaning why Dermot Desmond was not running Celtic like “Mr Murray” was running Rangers.
The clown in question still has influence.
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The 1982 League Cup Final
Is my mind playing tricks on me or did Rangers not bring in a certain Gordon Duffield Smith on loan for this game ?
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Gerry, naw I beat a retreat before we got that far. I'd only have felt sullied anyway - it's bad enough reading the paid journos.
Some of Jim Traynor's article in today's DR is priceless. Overheated prose of the highest calibre:
"No one had any advance warning of the cross-border raid and the SFA, closed for the Bank Holiday, were completely unaware until chief executive Gordon Smith's internal radar began to ping..."
His spidey-sense is tingling! And people on here said the man wasn't qualified - he's got an internal radar for goodness sake...
"...He sensed something was amiss in his world and switched on the news channels.
Immediately he saw the headlines stomping across the bottom of his screen to register on his brain with the brute force of a dark, invading army. He has seen many things in his time in the game but had to admit he was taken aback by what was happening in his own parish.
He said: "I could hardly believe it. We were completely unaware of what was happening and I was astonished. We had no prior knowledge or warning something like this was about to be done, but we must take serious note of it.
"We must remember, though, that it is a police matter and until they make a statement the SFA, like everyone else, will have to wait and see what happens. It would be foolish to make any comment at this point."
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morning...................
how did the Gowf go..............
good I hope…………………….
been sailing..............
we are sailing...............
we are saaaaaaaaaailing……………….
across the ocean..............
well the med……………………
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Anyway………………………………
Where has all the BungSong money gone???????
BigJoeWHoHasAnewTattooooooooo
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EdwardU,
How are you ?
I cannot believe that you would find the latest news from Ibrox to your liking.
Something or nothing, you know the score, muck sticks and no smoke without fire.
I would be devastated if these goings on were taking place at Celtic.
I can only immagine how you must be feeling.
But cheer up, Edward, the football will soon be starting and the run of defeats will, I'm sure, concentrate the mind.
Cheers,
Martin.
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Why make a comment then Duffield?
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Does anybody know which firm of accountants (if any) Rangers enployed to produce their books back in 2006? Is it the same accountants they have today?
I see quite a few are flippant as to the chances of charges being laid, I know where they draw their prespective from. But if there was wrong doing, and come on, even the most forgiving amongst us knows something wasn't 100%, then I think the pig in the poke may very well be Newcastle Utd.'s new owners.
RSVP invitations to HMP time-shares will open many a mouth.
Just hope the right people are invited to respond by impartial and untainted people.
If something dubious happened back then and the shareholders of Newcastle Utd. were ripped off, and they were in a footballing sense.
They actually thought they were getting a player for their 8 Mil.
Maybe I'm just being wishful for payback but I don't think this one is going anywhere near the dark side of the carpet.
And again I'm hoping, that all who are implicated, are forced to account for their accounts and when the forgeries settle, let the axe fall where it may.
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Kitalba…………………………………
Not sure if this is 100%...................................
BUT………………………………………..
I think its……………………………..
BigJoe, Joe, Big, and JoeBig.
TattooedJoeTheLarge
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Jimtim, great to meet you on Friday.
Guily was not a missed opportunity; he was not even on the radar.
Although we got Gravesen, don’t believe we can attract many players from Real Madrid or Barcelona. Thomas was the exception, not the rule.
As far as moving players on goes; Celtic have options at the moment, but everyone is holding out for the best deal.
Would you pay them to move on? Me neither, I would wait for a while yet. As August wears on, a season in the stands might change a few players views.
Hamptontim, I believe Duffield is in the sights of that particular journo.
Danny, they sure did.
Big Joe, the golf was an absolute blast!
Your name was celebrated.
Well, not your actual name. You know what I mean.
Great day.
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paul. i sincerely hope you are right regards tom hunter. god imagine that man in charge of rangers.would be like the abramovich of scotland. knew tom years ago, wasnt too big a rangers fan .but then again everyone in new cumnock are rangers men but for a few exceptions.mark my words he would transform their fortunes.
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And understood, youes had a laugh….
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Entertaining season just now…………………….
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Where has all the BungSong money gone???????
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Hamptontim, you just beat me to it with the 'internal radar' baloney!
Tom Hunter only recently formed a charitable foundation with Bill Clinton (his money, Bill's contacts) - I think he intends to be quite 'hands on' as well. So surely wouldn't get involved with them as well...unless he's getting his penance in first.
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paul. not on the radar. at 3.5million euro he should have been on our radar. he would have been a fabulous buy ,and imho just the type of player we require,
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Do any prisons have Setanta ?
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I was,in my own head,calling this vengance week. This was on a personal level until yesterday.
The personal stuff was going well but hey ho up pops the Scotsman headline last night on CQN while I was giving Tifin jr his last cuddle before bed.
I was already brimming with the joys of the days events plus an unexpected cheque from the tax man when I saw it. VENGEANCE, I hope, will be reaped a thousand fold on the Rangers.
I always thought there was a dodgy transfer much earlier than Boumsong involving another Fench team. Trevor Steven?? What was all that about. Maybe I was just jealous at the time but it always struck me as odd that they managed a couple of good results against Marseille and then there was Trevor Steven being bought back from them for half what they sold him for.
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Monteblanco 16.50 pm
Des, you have surpassed yourself:))
jonnybhoy
CHUBBYCHASERS CSC
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Does anyone know what's going on a E-Tims?
As for Ed's team - if they can own the SFA, the MIB, and lie about connections with terrorist organisations (fans? right wing mobs etc.), deny any bigotry over the years, why does a wee bit of book fiddling surprise anyone.
Of course, they'll get away with it, you know they will!
Oregonbhoy
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Rangers accountants’ appear to be the only guys who can count to infinity, divide by Zero and have rewritten the laws of mathematics, whereby multiplication by goodwill, is now an accepted and much practiced, principal.
If I was the village idiot in Dorset, or the library assistant in the BarL, I’d be looking over my shoulder.
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Evening All,
Had a wee blogger problem there.
Anyhoo, I'm surprised no one has suggested the huns run out to THIS next season whatever league they're playing in!
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Would'nt it be fun if in years to come the Proclaimers song "Letter from America" was re released as a lament to football teams of yore...
"THIRD LANARK-No More
CLYDEBANK- No More
RENTON-No More
RANGERS-No More"
SMB
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As I said earlier, why would the SFA be informed in advance? Would kind of defeat the purpose of a dawn raid.
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C T,s 22.15
L O L.
jonnybhoy
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Excellent point made earlier by Kitalba. Newcastle's owners have nothing to hide and EVERYTHING to expose. And that means everything.
The problem with conspiricy is that it needs to remain watertight.
Thinking through what might be of interest to authorities...it would be a fraudulent act, with money flowing to a 3rd party, to the detriment of one the 2 clubs.
If the payment went to the agent, I really don't know what the implications would be. Agents get all sorts of cuts. Man Utd paid Rooney's agent, and that seemed to be ok, despite the blatant conflict of interest.
If an employee of the buying club received a payment from a party other than the buying club, the buying club would likely feel aggrieved, and could have a case of fraud to pursue.
Any other party that aided and abetted such an act could be guilty of conspiricy. Even if they did not actually handle the payment.
If the selling club made the payment directly or indirectly to the employee, then their do-do would be deep. In this case, they would have diverted funds from their own coffers, and thus could also have defraded their own shareholders....even if these shareholders held a very small portion of the shares.
If the alleged payment did not flow through the selling club, and there was no proof they had any knowledge of the scheme....then they'd be fine.
Rangers booked the entire 8.5 million pounds.
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Gordon.J @21.00 As far as anti Sir david feeling goes the agenda on Follow Follow is never hidden it's anti. Among the general support I would say we are fast reaching a 50/50 split. Recent events might change that with either if something is proved, the support turning a lot more against him. If however nothing is proved you mat well get the laager mentality, they are out to get us. The next few days should provide some clarity.
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Martin @ 21.36 :- For some strange reason the expression Job's comforter springs to mind :-)
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d broadfoot on scott brown
"Though he has yet to conduct with the authority of Barry Ferguson"
we will wait and see.............
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Edward - appreciate your good humour. Just hope your club doesn't end up with the happy ending that Job had!:)
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OregonBhoy: ETims shut up shop for the quiet, nae news, close-season. There was a message on-site saying that they were going to fix their system probs.
The Rumour Mill bods obviously didn't see any of THIS coming...
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Greentrumpet
Didn't they realise things were TOO quiet?
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Moonbeam Accounts pdf file
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Hair slicked back and all that Jazz
Rolling down the Union Jack
See you at the barricades Dave
See you when the lights go low Joe
Hear you when the wheels turn round
Someday when the sky turns black
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Anybody got any info on why Virgo was left behind for the US trip? No need for the obvious reply.
If we've decided we're finished with him, I hope we do not lend him to Motherwell. If he does well there, he'll fetch a transfer fee of 100 k or less from a Scottish club. We'd be better off loaning him to Championship or League One teams in England- if he can hack it there, we might get 3 or 4 times the amount we'd get based on competent displays in the SPL; if he excels, we might get our money back.
On another point, where are the reserves and U-19's doing their pre-season warm ups? The official site only lists their league fixtures. I'm sure they could draw a crowd in some UK and Ireland warm up matches.
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Kitalba at 21:27,
Don't know about 2006, RFC's auditors in 2005 were Grant Thornton
2005 Accounts
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Edward,
I suspect that this still has quite a bit to run and will not be sorted out in days.
None of us really know what is going on, but my uneducated guess would be that expecting the answer to lie in Rangers or Newcastle's accounts is probably looking in the wrong place.
I suspect that there is a lot more goes on with regard to agent payments, sell-on agreements etc. where money bounces around like a ping pong ball - and ends up in places like villas in the South of France for example.
I look at some of the higher profile Bosman and transfer deals going on these days and am left wondering what is going on - and exactly how many palms need to be crossed before a deal is done.
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Paul
Ah! Hah!....
Doing da Continental!
It's sumtin' Darin', da Continental!
A way o' Dealin',
Dat's so "Entre Nous"!
An' Pierre is Dancin' da Continental...
An' yer Richt!
Soon der wull be News!
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Fred an' Ginge? Wha's like ye?
Ye've gone away an' left us,
It's nearly broke ma heart,
When ah see Madonna's Dancin',
Ah Think..........She is such a disgrace tae da Art,
But wid dae ye expect?....
fur......
She's really jist a TART!
Her CLASS is Nuttin' like ye ,
Her movements ur sae Lame...
Everytime ah see her Act...
Ah wished she'd/ah'd, stayed at Hame!
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Forgie da Nostalgia, by yer wee doggie guest,
But ah jist hid get it,
AFF, ma hairy hairy chest!
collie.
Tail's Awaggin', Awaggin'
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Weeron - quite right - they posted all the money....but...who was it said "follow the money"?
Perhaps this time the question should be "what money"?
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HITSon
Cheers for that. I feel itchy fingers.
When it come to matters financial I really am pretty slow and obtuse.
Neither do I have the time watch CSI N.Y. or C.L.O.P. Govan, however.
I wasn’t great at maths at school but one of the terms used, springs to mind,
Common Denominator
I’m honestly trying to work here but more and more I’m thinking if I were Souness, I’d be worried.
Very, very worried.
I’d be checking the flight schedules for Buenos Aires.
‘The City of London police
City of London Police named lead force on fraud
The Economic Crime Department (ECD), led by Detective Chief Superintendent Steve Willmott has 158 officers dedicated to preventing and investigating fraud at all levels. Its reputation for success is considerable - last year 75 per cent of crime investigated by the unit were cleared up.
City Police is the acknowledged lead force within the UK for economic crime investigation. Its expertise is sought internationally, for example in 2005 it contributed to fraud investigations taking place throughout Europe and Asia.’
Quite impressive eh? Seems that once these guys come after you, you have, at best, a one in four chance of dodging the bullet.
Not the short of odds that would attract me to impersonate a breathing dummy. No sun beds in the BarL I fear.
Is that Geordie lawyers I see on the march.
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Edward,
You'll survive it, I'm sure and we will still be friends.
Why were you not at Aberdour last Friday.
I don't know whither you play golf or not, but not everybody played.
Oldtim, Paul and myself did not play and we had a very relaxing afternoon.
The evening was as relaxed as the night in the Avonbridge, you would have enjoyed yourself.
You would have been among friends.
Job's comforter, me surely not.
Cheers,
Martin.
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Edward, most, in fact, all Rangers fans I speak to are very anti-Murray, though few are familiar with the finer points of his financial dealings at Rangers, but they all know people who remain blinded by the 1990s.
I see Kanus went down 3-1 in the CL to FC Zeta (Montenegro, to save you looking it up like I did).
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Hanover 1 Rankers 0
Match Report
By Darnel Kling
(Who is in the Germany with the Rankers Sqaud so I am).
Walter Smith shrugged off any doubts about the future of Rankers, despite one of the Old Firm being caught up in a fraud investigation, to praise his boys in blue after fully deserving to beat top European crack outfit Hanover. Rankers missed out on victory by the narrowest of margins and only conceded the one single solitary gaol, sorry goal.
It's a pr-season game and you could say they never really lost at all.
Meanwhile Sir David Murray is at this very minute I speak lining up a mega finance deal to take Rankers onto a different level from the rest of the SPL. At least half a dozen big name signings are in the pipeline and the ink is just about dry on the paper work.
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I find it interesting that in the recent bung scandal inquiry including the BBC report that was dismissed both Redknapp and Allardyce ´s name cropped up along with their chairmen. The Beast´s name cropped up at the end of the Stevens inquiry and all three managers have spoken with lawyers concerning these allegations. I can barely recall Redknapp and Souness releasing strong statements and that seemed to be the end of it. I think that something was being deliberately hushed up but unfortunately may have been enough to get the paper shredders into overdrive. It all depends on what the 61 year old accountant from Manchester who is spilling the beans can conclusively conjure up for our own satisfaction in seeing justice being done. This will rumble on for a while yet.
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ANNAOAN
Did you ever see the movie The Untouchables?
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Does anyone know if the names of the two individuals whose homes were raided have been released formally or informally?
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setting free the bears
The Reserves have 2 games next week.
I think I have the details right.
At Airdrie on Wednesday 25th at 7.30pm and at Albion Rovers on Saturday 28th at 3pm.
I saw this somewhere last week.
It could have been in the "View". I've been getting some work done and it's been put away someplace.
I'll try and find it tomorrow and let you know.
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Rakwarro :- I think if we are sticking with the biblical theme I'll hope for Isaiah 42.13 :-)
HamptonTim @22.58 :- If it doesn't lose you your rep on the site I agree with you 100% :-)
Martin @23.12 :- I'm afraid Aberdour was just a little too far, if ever a west coast equivalent is held I'll be there for the post game post mortems. I thoroughly enjoyed the Avonbridge and would enjoy meeting both old and new from the ite again.Jobs comforter was perhaps a bit strong but maybe Jonah since I started posting on your sons site we have went downhill. .
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http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/article2093757.ece
Mc Kay lets slip that NUFC are a tiny bit upset are looking for info and that he´s so squeaky clean the FA haven´t a problem with him. Denied by The FA
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Paul :- You are probably more accurate than me, I was just using a figure from the top of my head, I would say though that many of us aren't as ignorant of the financial side as you think (remember what you have printed I have read lol)
Thanks for the C.L update, to be honest I think I would rather play F.C Zeta.With kanus I kept expecting some trick to be pulled out.
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Edward - would St Jude not be a better port of call..........?
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SFTB, Bonbhoy
Just flickin through the view.
It's a new format, with a number of new features and a very good read for those who don't usually get it.
They've started a feature on a weekly review of all our previous captains, beginning with the first, James Kelly.
Anyway, Reserve games are :
friendly vs Airdrie at the Excelsior 25th July,k.o. 7.30
vs wee Rovers at Cliftonhill 28th July at 3pm
vs Dumbarton at Strathclyde Homes Stadium July 30th at 7.30pm.
Also first Ladies official match is on 12th August (opponents and venue TBA)
Hail Hail
Estadio
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Re the Wee Rovers game.
I think this is an annual event now and we play for 'The Friendship Trophy' as a mark of our cubs' common link through Jock Stein.
last year I got my tickets from Asdas in Coatbridge, but it looks as though the ticket office has gone slightly downmarket this year.
This is the announcement on the Rovers' website.
Celtic Tickets
Briefs for the Rovers v Celtic Select side in the Jock Stein Trophy to be played at Cliftonhill on Saturday 28th July will go on sale next Wednesday, July 11th from 3pm at the Candy Store/Tommy Tangos on Whifflet Street. There are a limited number of parent and one child tickets at £5 and the remainder are also priced at the bargain price of £5. Season ticket holders and Albion Rovers Supporters' Trust Members can ring the club and reserve up to two tickets each, these must be paid and uplifted by July 20th.
So get yourself along to Tommy Tangos!
Hail Hail
Estadio
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Evening all,
before I go and disinfect my computer, hollowhollow is reporting some scurmishes with the local plod, within the stadium while the goat fiddlers were playing Hannover.
Dear oh Dear oh Dear.
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Paul you had said that the Old media were waiting in the wings.
Well some of the young English Journos. are on the case too!
Wouldn't it be Ironic(Could make a song with that line)if they were to take up the story in a "lazie faire" way to the detriment of the Second Biggest Establishment in Escotia??
Too da Loo The noo! ;-0
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News from Denver where the SPL Champions face the MLS All Star team in front of a probable sell out crowd and a national TV audience. :-)
Celtic Shoes (Boots) Go Astray
'GG loving the positive exposure
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Gavil - I cannae wait for this game on Thursday.
I hopw we give a good account of ourselves. I've told everybody to tune in !!
Can't believe we have 2 games to watch on a real size telly screen. Woo hoo.
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More coverage on MLSNET.
The Long and Winding Road
'GG documenting our high profile
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Hi LB
If we play as well as we did against QPR we will put on a show which will entrance the viewing audience.
Hoops on to the shore Saturday to wallow wallow in the reflected glory.
'GG feeling positive
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There's more....
Celtic bring strong squad
Interesting quote at the end. Let's hope we become the first.
"Celtic will become the fourth international club to take on the MLS All-Stars Thursday (9 p.m. ET; ESPN2, TeleFutura) at Dick's Sporting Goods Park. The All-Stars carry a perfect 3-0-0 record into the contest, having defeated Mexico's CD Guadalajara (2003), and England's Fulham FC (2005) and Chelsea (2006)."
'GG who is sure we will make it 3-1
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GG - From the link you posted. It is a shame that not a single American reading the following will have a clue about the significance of this to every one on here ...
"In 1957, it was old rivals Rangers who were demolished in the League Cup final, with the 7-1 win still the highest margin of victory in a British cup final and even today, nearly 50 years later, still warmly remembered by Celtic supporters.
But at the time, the seeds for a greater triumph were being planted behind the scenes with former club captain, Jock Stein, coaching a reserve side that would go on to produce some of the club's most prodigious talents.
Those young players were molded into the Lisbon Lions by Stein when he returned to Celtic Park as manager in 1965 and on May 25, 1967, the home-bred side sealed the club's greatest triumph with a 2-1 win against Inter Milan in Lisbon to lift the European Cup.
Celtic became the first British team to win the European Cup and the triumph was hailed as a "victory for football" by the world's press, who had witnessed an ultra-defensive Inter side crumble eventually under wave after wave of attack.
Celtic won every single competition that they entered that 1966-67 season and during his 13-year reign as manager, Stein seized a stranglehold on the Scottish game which was rewarded with a record-setting nine championship wins in a row, eight Scottish Cups and four League Cups.
It was also during this era that several of the club's greatest players emerged, including center back Billy McNeill, striker Kenny Dalglish, fullback Danny McGrain and Jimmy Johnstone, the little flame-haired winger who in 2002 was voted the Greatest Ever Celt by the supporters.
'Jinky', as Johnstone was known, more than any player summed up the style, bravery and at times, sheer cheek and impudence that the supporters loved to see, and when he passed away in 2006 after a brave battle with motor neurone disease, tributes poured in to Celtic Park from around the world, with thousands lining the streets at his funeral..."
Well written piece. Sums up just about every reason why I am so proud of my club.
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Green Trumpet - Thanks
Oregonbhoy
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Celts are certainly raising their profile over here. The game has been heavily trailed on ESPN for the past week and there has been footage of them training this evening.
One draw back of being here is that I'm missing all the fun back home.
I'm seeing Chick Young in a whole new light .... he obviously deserves a Pulitzer Prize nomination for his prediction of an "announcement that will rock Scottish football".
Chick, I doft my proverbial hat -albeit a year later.
LFT
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LFT -
Get tae yer bed! Tomorrow is a school-day after all!
How goes it over there? Are you going to "jump in a taxi" and go to the MLS game. It is just up the road from you, according to my atlas anyway!
Lycur
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Surely all the polis……………….
Snooping aboot in Mordor…………….
Will hamper any future transfers…………………
BigJoefaaTheRigs
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ALTHOGH………………………
Reports saying…………
Aayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy Smithy…
2 the Orcs by the weekend…………
Hymmmmmmmmmmmmm..
BigJoeWhoIsAway2SpliceTheMainbrace
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'GG, 2:15am. While I agree we'd blow away the All Stars if we play like we did against QPR, it ain't going to happen. It wasn't 101F and humid in London, it's probably a bit early in Pre-Season to cope with the heat for 90 minutes...
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Anyone know who made the trip to the States? Where's Magic hiding these days???
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Could be difficult for these Bhoyos in the away leg:
http://www.saints-alive.co.uk/
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MZ played the first half against Basel,and the second against YBB.
He didn't feature at all in England.
Maybe he's got a note from his mum.
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Bonbhoy/ Estadio
Cheers for the info on the reserves.
Imagine the dilemma for young hoops fans going into a sweetie shop and having the "daddy or chips" choice between sweeties and a Celtic ticket.
Is Tommy Tangos a sweetie shop or the latest money earner for Tommy Sheridan?
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2 depressing stories in today's Currant Bun-one about a former Vale priest ,the other about comments made on RealRadio by some clown called Mckenna about Jock Stein.
Of course,being in the paper doesn't make them true but not a great start to the day.
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Setting free the Bears - Tommy Tangos is a quality Sweet Shop. You can get everything in there from Chelsea Whoppers to Argentina Chews
Collie - An' Pierre is Dancin' da Continental...
An' yer Richt!
Soon der wull be News!
Is that a player in or oot?
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Scoreline accordint to the Herald: "Hannover 96 1 - 0 Rangers"
OK, it was a pre-season friendly but surely some sort of a record?
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Ian In Budapest
Does anybody have a contact with Ian? If so please let me know.
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Big Joe,
David Murray has explained that the previous problems with the Naismith deal was not the lack of money.
Rangers simply could not find a brown envelope big enough for that many used fivers.
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zbyszek
Anything in the Polish media about the Zurawski situation in terms of him moving on ?
Not sure if I'm being too harsh but it seems to me he's not going to get near the starting XI this season.
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Whilst it seems a wee bit quiet.
Here is some Great Goals
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new article posted.
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danny
You're not too harsh. Zurawski is my bigest dissapointment of the previous season.
I'm sure he understands he's walking on the thin ice. Our last NT games shown that he's not unquestionable star. If he fails for Celtic he will be finished for Don Leo Benhakker.
One week ago I read that he's going nowhere and wants to recover from all the problems. He also said that nobody suggested in Celtic that he should look for another club.
Maciej explained why he did not play in London. He got an unserious injury in Swiss.
"Now everything is Okay, I fly to USA. I know how important are these friendly games for me. Gordon Strachan suggested that he counts on me. Still I can be a player of the first IX. I'm very, very mustered".
