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canny be!
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Telt ye couldnae be me
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Paul
Obviously the fraud enquiry could run for a while.
Any chance UEFA could suspend TFOD from European competition for financial irregularities?
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Kanus are clearly favourites to go through and meet our cash strapped, desperate foes. What are the chances of them being dumped out? OK, they would be in the UEFA Cup, but this season has shown the financial shortfall that would create. And we would again get all the TV money.
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From last thread...
Paul much as I enjoy seeing TFOD languishing in the harsh spotlight of the City of London police I think that there is a reasonable explanation of what you refer to in your [last] thread-header as the 'missing money'. I think it is much more likely that the later transaction between Newcastle and Rangers is where they are focusing their attentions.
Firstly, if we take the gain of £8.4m on the sale of player registrations as reported in their 05 accounts, it is entirely conceivable that this is an accurate figure.
If we assume that as Boumsong arrived on a free that there was no way that the club could capitalise the player registration for anything other than what they paid for him (which was nothing). So his registration would sit in the books at zero value. More of this later though.
Arteta signed for Rangers in July 2002 for £5.8M. If we assume that he was on a three year contract it would be a reasonable assumption to make that Rangers amortized the transfer fee over 3 years (i.e. 33% each year) and his book value would be £1.9M (i.e one third of the initial book value) at the end of his second year. When he was sold back to Spain for £2.7M (less the £1.9M on the balance sheet) there was thus a book gain of £800k on Arteta’s registration.
When Boumsong was later sold for £8M then we could have the situation that the gain including that from Arteta was £8.8M (£8M from Boumsong, £0.8M from Arteta). Given the fact that when Boumsong signed we were told that he had a generous signing-on fee to secure his signature (which Rangers may have initially capitalised and then deducted from the transfer fee of £8M from Newcastle) it is, therefore, conceivable that there is no missing money in the transactions at all.
Obviously, I am making several assumptions myself and I know that the police aren’t investigating for a laugh but I think there is more to it than your thread header suggests.
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Hopefully WGS will have a reasonably settled first XI by then. We have 4 friendlies and 2 SPL games before August 14/15.
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Tuttifrutti
Thanks for your insight. It helps us financial remedials immensely.
However, if this were the investigation, presumably the Stevens people would not have flagged up this transfer as one of the ones they were concerned about and the City of London detectives would not have gone to all the trouble of going to Glasgow.
Plus, you'd have to assume that Rangers would have raced into print with this information.
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GM,
Many thanks for the response last night, apprieciated.
Can anyone tell me who would be criminaly implicated / liable for any indiscresions? Does it go to the top, i.e. DM?
Cheers
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I said 'investigation'. I meant 'explanation'.
Not just remedial finance.
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Celtic First
Thanjs for your response.More nonsense from me at end of previous topic.I`m off to do some bathing
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Sun bathing I hasten to add
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C1st-of the top of my head,my'Desert Island Hoops'moments:
Celtic 2 Inter 1.
Celtic 6 Rangers 2
Celtic 5 Rangers 1-the wee Slovak magician.
Celtic v Rapid Vienna-I know the eventual outcome was hard to take but for a single,standalone Euro-experience that night at CP had it all.
Celtic 7 St Mirren 1-for FXMcgarvey's goal on the stroke of halftime
Celtic 5 St Mirren 0-Albert Kidd,ecstasy in the radio-active rain
Celtic 2 St Johnstone 0.I wasn't going to miss this one!
Celtic 0 Barcelona 0-90 minutes of sofashredding agony from the Camp Nou,then the great feeling we were big Bhoys in Europe again
Book-'the Glory and the Dream'
Luxury-to be watching the games from the Jungle,or leaning against a barrier in the Celtic end.
Maybe if C67 don't want to do it CQN could run it as a separate thread?
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From Previous Thread...
Ardoch 16/07/07 23:37
I was at St Stephens from 1970-1977, so you must be a couple of years younger than me. When you left I would have been in primary 7 with Mrs Glen.
Do you remember Le Petit Merde?
Jama
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ps Good luck to the New Saints Tonight.Come on the Hoops!
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Lovejoy, no chance.
TuttiFrutti, agree there are lots of unknowns. The next few days should be interesting, I know that the old media are currently very busy on this story.
Jinkynewton, there are not too many layers to pass through at Rangers before you get to the top.
Dontbrattback, excellent choices. I would not have thought about the Rapid game, but it was a v special atmosphere.
Good idea for a thread, thanks.
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Desert Island Hoops, what a great idea.
dontbratback, you have conjured up so many memories in one post. The Rapid game was certainly a hell of a night, as was the wee trip to Manchester that followed. I would add the 5 - 0 Sporting Lisbon game, one of my favourite European victories. And of course Boavista, the feeling that we were into the final was amazing.
In recent times, the last 10 minutes of the Man U game, and especially the final whistle when we knew were through is hard to beat.
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I like some of today's luke warm headlines - 'Rangers co-operating with Police investigations'???
The Old Media in this country are as bent as The Forces of Darkness.
It's nice to see that the back pages are dominated with 'Celtic Trialist forgetting his passport?'. If we were implicated in any corruption investigation the media coverage would be a bit more intense i feel.
Will Things ever change
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Leeds at Hampden must have been special.
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DBBIA...
Was the 5-0 v St Mirren the one that, allied to Hearts' 0-2 reverse against Dundee, clinched Celtic the title after one of the greatest "claw backs" ever?
But where is the 4-2 come-from-behind win against TFoD to clinch the title in (was it?) 1978-9? Surely that one is worthy?!
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Celtic 4 Rankers 2 for me.
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That's the whole thing-there are so many great memories!One of my favourites was a 3-2 win at Parkhead,played in a cloudburst,when PMcstay emerged as a fully fledged Jedi!
The 4-2 game I missed because it was in the middle of my Finals,and I thought the highlights were going to be on TV,'til some evil conspiring masonic Bolsheviks at STV pulled the plug.
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BigChipSuk (13.12)
It may not be worthy to DBB, and it may be worthy to you - That's the beauty of "Desert Island Hoops". Inform, stir memories, and stir debate!! :)
Personally, Lubo trapping the ball with his bahooky is a special memory for me - he was a special talent indeed.
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So if anyone wants to join in-the format is simple -you are castaway on a desert island with your 8 favourite Celtic moments.
You also get a book,and a luxury.
So,pick 8 out of 8 trillion.No pressure!
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The valuation of B's registration on acquisition is probably at the heart of the 'gain on disposal' issue. There is a clear future benefit in acquiring the registration of a French International player, which would suggest that the registration should appear on the balance sheet as an asset. Clearly, Rangers did this - as they recorded a 'gain on disposal' figure in their P&L Account.
As was mentioned in the previous thread, the gain would be the difference between the written down value of the asset and the net proceeds of sale.
Unless there are specific rules or guidelines regading the valuation of Bosman player registrations which I don't know about (and this is entirely possible!) then the figures could be fair enough.
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Top 3 for me:
1. Celtic 2 Inter Milan 1
2. Celtic 2 Leeds United 1
3. Celtic 4 - Rangers 2 -even though I was in the middle of Spain and only found out on the 11.00 news on Radio 2! The commentator only got as far as "And Celtic are the new League Champions of Scotl..." before we all went wild and had to wait another hour to get the actual score!
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From the previous thread
At 17/07/07 10:15, Parkheadcumsalford said…
derbyshirebhoy @9.28,
That Morton game you mention, was that one of those times when Yogi ran amok in his sannies? I think I was in the Jungle that day. I can't remember the Clyde gaem. That wasn't the occasion Bertie sat on the ball, was it? i was there that day but I have a feeling that game was played late in the season, like Easter time.
*I believe that was the 6-1 game, the last of the 1970/71 season where we had equaled our own six-in-a-row record at Hampden against Ayr United on a Thursday night. We had played at Love Street on the Tuesday if my memory serves me well and then the Bully Wee on the Saturday.
It was also the last time the Lisbon Lions would take the field. The Faither who led them out didnae actually play because of injury with Evan Williams in goal instead. It was also John Clark's final game before he left for Morton, he was no longer a first team player by then. It was also wee Bertie's last game and he was carried off shoulder high at the end, he was subsequently transferred to Hibs where he saw out his playing days, his last game as a Hibee was at Hades in a Hibee victory where he also sat on the ball.
My memory of the Clyde sitting on the ball incident from my viewpoint in the Jungle in front of which he performed it was of Stevie Chalmers shirricking him for it, don't know if it was for wasting time or embarrassing the opposition.
We completed the double a few weeks later in one of Jinky’s finest games a replay where he tortured big Ham and Egg, only 4 Lions played that Wednesday night, the end of an era had taken place.
Going back to the Clyde game, only 35,000 spectators were there although it was a packed house. Work was being completed on the old stand which was officially opened the following September, and we played out the season at Hampden hence winning the only “home” title in our NIAR sequence away at Hampden.
Why we completed the season at home against Clyde is a bit of a mystery although rumour had it at the time that the Bully Wee refused to play at Hampden hoping to have the game rescheduled to Shawfield where they would be the recipients of a bumper gate. Celtic decided to play to a limited crowd at Celtic Park.
Ironically, a few months later while Celtic Park was completing the renovations we conceded home advantage to the huns and played our home League Cup and League games there, winning all 3 games including the League Cup away game, in the space of 3 weeks.
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Boltonbhoy
Aye, but you made up for it the following season with your wee trip to the Bernabéu on St Joseph's Day.
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Off the top of my head and in no particular order:
St Mirren 0 Celtic 5 (Get it right up you Alex McDonald, Sandy Jardine, Sandy Clarke...)
Celtic 3 Dundee 0 (Chris Morris 1 Andy Walker 2 Celtic Park packed to the rafters)
Celtic 2 Real Madrid 0 (As a kid i'd never seen or heard anything quite like it)
Celtic 2 rangers 1 (League Cup Final 1982, my 1st old firm game, in the pouring rain. You never forget your first)
Celtic 6 rangers 2 (That first 15 minutes in particular)
Celtic 5 Sporting Lisbon 0 (What a power performance from the hoops)
Boavista 0 Celtic 1 The final whistle. (Oh my god, Celtic are in another final, I cannot believe it!)
Haralds goal stopping the 10.
Book: Celtic Champions of Europe 2008.
Luxury: Setanta to watch the hoops!
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Has there be any arrests yet at Ibrox? If not, is there anything we can do as a concerned group of responsible persons to assist the Police and bring about some (as many as possible) early arrests? Top 3 arrest league in order of preference:
1) SM Moonbeams,
2) Permatan Bain,
3) Bazza
Those 3 in handcuffs or another SPL Championship? Close run thing............the championship just gets pipped at the post.
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Most surreal Celtic experience...
Watching George Best playing (and scoring) for Hibs against Celtic at Easter Road sometime around 1980, during my Peebles High School years!
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It is ~3 years since a number of unusual and inflated transfer dealings involving dignity fc and a former employee took place.
The Scottish media remained silent.
It is just over one year since a French paper reported details of a formal investigation into some unusual transfer dealings, one of which surprisingly involved dignity fc, a named senior employee of dignity fc and an unusual transaction involving an agent and a villa.
The Scottish media reported nothing sinister in these peculiar dealings which could be directly related to the unusual transfer activity in 2004 - 2005.
Will the dignified institution remain protected?
Some things are unavoidable ...for sure...
£££Legal Fees
£££PR Fees
...to be added to...
£££Legal Fees
£££PR Fees
in relation to Sectarian issues...
and...
£££Architect Fees
£££Legal Fees
£££PR Fees
£££Other Costs
for the failed Ibrox Super Casino.
How many Naismiths could all that pay for?
Or you could always just retire to a vineyard in France...maybe teach the French about wine?
Chris
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Most surreal tenuously linked to Celtic (King Billy connection) football experience...
The scene:
Me hanging around outside Maine Road (while Billy McNeill was manager of Man City in the mid-80's) on a cold snowy January day, bedecked in Celtic hat & scarf (me, not Billy!), hoping to be able to get some Man City programmes signed.
The action (Act 1):
Suddenly all the players emerge en mass and hop onto a waiting coach to attend training at a local indoor sports centre, because the Maine Road pitch was covered in snow. I get one autograph before all the players are safely on the coach!
(Act 2)
2½ or so hours later (and having walked several laps of the stadium and studied in great detail almost every item of stock in the club shop) the coach reappears. All the players pile back off and head for the players & officials entrance. I get one more autograph.
I manage to catch Billy's attention and ask him if he'd be kind enough to take my programmes inside and get them signed. "Just wait oot here a wee minute" he says.
A couple of minutes later an elderly gentleman in a Man City blazer appears and says "Hello, Mr McNeill has asked me to ivite you in for a hot drink and a look around".
(Act 3)
I then get the full tour of the stadium, including walking up the tunnel onto the pitch (footprints in the snow to prove it!), touring the trophy room, and being introduced to Denis Law who is chatting to some other bloke in the boardroom. Oh, and I shouldn't forget the most welcome hot drink ever, having been stood outside in sub-zero temperatures for the best part of 3 hours.
Surrealism:
All very nice, but you may ask: "What was so surreal about that?"
Well, I didn't reveal the incident at the start of my impromptu tour...
The senior chap who was showing me around realised that I was Scottish and eagerly announced "We have a new Scottish lad on the books here you know... you should meet him." Upon which he led me into the players changing room and I gained the unique distinction of shaking hands with none other than ex Ranger Derek Parlane (I think the irony was lost on my guide) as he stood stark naked in the shower. At least I think it was his hand I shook... I was averting my eyes at the time.
Can anyone else here claim to have shaken hands with a naked former Rangers player?
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Bigchips
Aha. The mystery of the funny handshakes is revealed at long last.
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Gordon_J, 12:21
Kanus are clearly favourites to go through and meet our cash strapped, desperate foes. What are the chances of them being dumped out? OK, they would be in the UEFA Cup, but this season has shown the financial shortfall that would create. And we would again get all the TV money.
If the Darnel were to be knocked out by either Kaunas or Zeta, they wouldn't be in the UEFA Cup: that game is a second round tie, the same stage as we faced Artmedia.
The UEFA Cup Parachute is only avaliable to those teams who lose in the third round (where we come in).
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On the topic of the entries into the balance sheet regarding Boumsong.
I find it hard to believe TFOD would not enter as much of a value as humanly possible.
My reasons for thinking this are as follows;
- TFOD were/are hugely in debt and Bank of Scotland were ready to call in DMs guarantee around about this time as the balance sheet was getting weaker and weaker.
- A senior partner of DM Hall surveyors was asked to value the bigot dome in such a way that it is overly inflated in value. He was asked what it would cost to purchase land the same size as Ipox in Milngavie and build an exact copy of the bigot dome. The reply to this was c£80m which was entered as the value of Ipox.
So if the huns could enter another value of say £3m for Boumsong on purchase, it is an excellent entry to the assets of the huns for no money spent. It would be interesting to gauge what value they are planning to enter for Darcheville, their £3m rated free transfer.
The investigation will lie somewhere between onerous activities as to what money changed hands and where did it go. If it turned out to be that the value of Boumsong and Arteta is correct and no dodgy dealing can be shown then the huns are not automatically off the hook.
If the money appeared in an offshore account as is being suggested, then there will be legitimate calls for tax evasion which carries severe implications.
Therefore it is all a bit funny, I just hope it does not get swept under the carpet, although I am told that Mr Ashley at NUFC will keep this as high profile as possible to show that he will play ball with the authorities and keep his name squeeky clean.
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matt,
You are correct - thanks. So it could be even worse for them!
BigChipSuk,
I can't claim to have met a naked Rangers player, and probably wouldn't admit it if I had! But my favourite Caesar moment was going into McNeill's for a pint and being served by the man himself. A pint pulled by the hands that lifted the European Cup - I didn't know whether to drink it or frame it!
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My most surreal moment as a Celtic fan:
One night, about a year ago, I was walking away from Celtic Park with my Dad. One of his legs is knackered and he walks with the aid of a stick so progress was slow. Then a car pulls up, it's Danny McGrain.
Danny:
"Can I give you guys a lift home"
My Dad:
"If you are going passed the Milton that would be great"
Danny:
"Hop in"
And home he drove us with Danny and us chatting Celtic all the way home.
Danny was always my all time favourite player and he confirmed that night that he is a great guy as well. He didn't know us from Adam, but was happy to stop at the side of the road, late at night, and not only offer to, but drove us home. Top bloke.
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From the Evening times:
"RANGERS are said to be "entirely relaxed" after being dragged into the ongoing investigation into corruption in English football."
That's all right then....
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My most surreal CELTIC experience:
Whilst I was at Stirling University in the early 80's, Celtic signed John Colquhoun from Stirling Albion.
As a regular attender at CP with the St Ninian's CSC, and eager to get as many as possible of my Celtic programmes signed, I regularly either visited CP or posted programmes to the club.
So when JC signed I decided that I'd have more chance of success if I posted programmes to him, rather than any of the big name players, who doubtless received sacks of fan mail every day.
I duly posted 4 or 5 programmes addressed to JC at CP, along with the mandatory SAE.
Anyway, a couple of weeks went by and I heard nothing. Then another week passed, similarly. So I wrote a letter to our John querying the whereabouts of my programmes, and explaining that I ad never known a Celtic player fail to return my programmes when asked... perhaps he hadn't been schooled in The Glasgow Celtic Way?!
Another couple of weeks went by and still I heard nothing, and I was most annoyed! So I wrote to the then Managing Director (whoever that was at the time) and explained what had happened.
The next thing I know there's a knock on the door of my student lodgings early one Friday morning and it's John Colquhoun himself!
He apologised profusely for not returning me signed programmes, and explained that he had never actually received them. (Of course, it hadn't occurred to me that the PO might have been to blame!) Evidently he did receive my follow up letter, but as it was the first piece of "fan mail" he'd received, he had thought it was the other players who had faked it as a wind up, and hence he'd ignored it!
It was only when the MD spoke to him after he too had received a letter that JC realised it was a genuine complaint. So here he was on my doorstep bearing a huge team poster and half a dozen programmes (albeit not the ones I'd sent), all signed by the entire squad... and two tickets to that weekend's game against Rangers.
Boy was I chuffed!
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Gordon_j, is there any truth in the rumour that half an hour after Glasgow's finest(?!) left Ibrox this morning, a delivery van from Carpet Right arrived with a consignment of carpets and a couple of large brushes...?
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Gordon_J
"Entirely relaxed"
Does that not also mean impotent?
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BigChipSuk,
I drove psat Ibrox this afternoon but the only van outside was for a ceramic tile company. Not so much papering over the cracks....
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BigChips,
I heard they raided the trophy room for assets for which to use as security.
They came out with an empty bottle of luczade worth approximately 79p.
That covers Sebo then............
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antonsrightfoot,
It is not so simple that they could put in a value that they liked for Boumsong.
I have just looked at Rangers accounts for period ended 30th June 2006 and noted that they have adopted the historic cost convention for recording of their player registrations which means that all they would have been able to record for Boumsong would be the costs associated with his acquisition (a signing on fee and other expenses e.g. private jet fuel, succulent lamb etc) but that would still rack up nowhere close to his 'worth' going by what Rangers received for him. Even if they thought he was worth £3M there is no way they could try and put that on the balance sheet.
My hunch is that the best we can hope for is that The Beast is tarnished by this rather than anything involving Rangers directly. Still, something for nothing and all that.
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Does anyone know whether our first CL qualifier (Aug 14/15) will be home or away?
Edward....”May you live in interesting times...”
teeheecsc
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ghirlfromthenorthcountry, we won't know the location of our CL Qualifiers till it comes out the hat on August 3rd.
they pull one ball out of the pot of seeds, and one from the non-seeds, and put these two in a hat. It's only once they've come out the hat that anyone even knows which teams were in the hat for any particular fixture. There's no rule about seeds being home first or second.
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The Legend of John 'Dixie' Deans
http://www.keep-the-faith.net/index.htm
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Ghirlfromthenorthcountry :- Why thankyou, I didn't know you cared :-)
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Apologies if this has been posted discussed elsewhere. Taken from 'Red Issue'. Would, if correct tend to narrow it down
a bit?
'However, a clue as to what the police may possibly, in part, be investigating is contained in the Quest report that was released last month. Stevens' team spent 16 months examining the 362 transfer deals between January 2004 and January 2006 and, although refusing to sign off 17 transfers, said that 361 showed "no evidence" of any bungs being paid.
'That left one outstanding deal that the report said had not been examined because "another regulatory authority" was investigating it and Quest had been asked to back off so that the existing inquiry "should not be prejudiced by revealing the identity of the transfer".
Freddiebhoy
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TuttiFrutti,
You would imagine they adopted the historic cost convention once they realised the market value for Tore Andre Flop was about 1/3 of what they paid for him within 8 months of his signing.
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8 months?
Weeks?
Days?
Minutes?
EdU-Are you busy making a nice lamb hotpot with a file in it?
On a less gloating note[!]-I know you're not a big fan of the Knight in Blue Satin.Do you think recent events will hasten,or retard,his departure?
I hear the teambus will be showing the DVD of the Tigershawshank Redemption on the way up to Inverness;)
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My top 5 of games I was ACTUALLY at
1 Celtic 2 Leeds 1 ECSF 1970
2 CELTIC 1 Liverpool 0 ECWCSF 1966
3 Celtic 4 Darnel 0 1969 SCF
4 Celtic 6 Darnel 2 2001 SPL
5 CELTIC 6 HiBS 1 1972 SCF
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TuttiFrutti,
I will bow to your greater knowledge.
However is it not possible to carry a revaluation reserve through the accounts?
Anyhow, I am hoping on the actual cash account showing anomolies to where the money went and what future tax has been ommitted on the balance.
Hopefully as you say, the beast will be the main man in the frame.
Funny that after the documentary was aired a few months past that he was threatening legal action on anyone who pointed the finger at him. It is quite eery that the man is so silent for once in his life. He is probably on the phone to Lester Piggott getting some handy tips !!
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DBBIA :- I would hope it would hasten it, even if nothing is found the taint will still be associated with him now.
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matt_the_bhoy...Thanks for the CL info...
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I'm pretty sure that if this investigation ends up focusing on an individual e.g. an ex manager - then the story will be turned around to show sympathy for RFC as the victims of wrong doing! Can just see the press moving into over drive in it's reargaurd action to defend RFC.
I've not heard any radio reports today, but would be interested to know if any journalists have actually tried to get a comment out of David Murray. The investigation might be sub judice and I suppose limits what can be said - but when in the past has that stopped a frenzied media from at least trying to get some kind of comment from the people involved?
OK, 80% of them are in DM's pockets, and that's a pretty difficult place to ask questions from, but I'd be keen to know if anyone has heard of any journalist who has tried to get a comment from the club chairman?
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Anyone know if the US games will be on live on Setanta or Celtic TV?
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Rakwarro
At least with the involvement of Newcastle & Portsmouth this is a UK story rather than a Scottish one.
I get the impression that the UK media (the London based ones anyway) would like to nail a football club. Newcastle would be their number 1 choice but if in going after them they find the story is at Ibrox I think they'll go after it.
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TontineTim from the last post,
The Clyde game I was referring to where wee Bertie sat on the ball was at Shawfield. I think we were well ahead and they still wouldn't come out of a 10 man defense; so, wee Bertie just sat on the ball, to the great amusement of everybody bar the Clyde players and the MIB, who didn't know what to do.
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Michael__67
I fear not.
From the fishal site:
us games only on channel 67!
Tony Hamilton
THE two matches Celtic will play this coming week in North America can only be seen in one place – Channel 67 – online at www.celticfc.net
The very prestigious clash with the MLS All-Stars on Thursday night (2am Friday morning, Celtic Park time) and the next big pre-season test – the match with Chicago Fire next Sunday will both be live and exclusive on the club’s online subscription service.
Channel 67 also covers every Clydesdale Bank Premier League match live, depending on where you are in the world and is the first place to see each entire match again, regardless of where you are.
The service carries live coverage of most domestic cup ties and European qualifiers so it’s a great way to keep in touch with Celtic.
Existing subscribers can log in here for the USA matches and it’s the same address to join up.
** As there is no host broadcaster in place at Loftus Road, Sunday’s match with Queens Park Rangers will be audio only with delayed highlights available as soon as possible after the game. Also as a Channel 67 subscriber you can watch Celtic'c goals from the Peterborough Utd game from Friday, just log on as usual and go to Latest.
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Oh Murray's empire it is finished now his laptop has been seized
So the greedy eyes of Murray are looking towards the seas
Six hundred miles from Ibrox Park , there's a vineyard full of cash
And he can't be saved by Whitehall
or his father's durty sash.
Oh rock on Rockall.....
Now this scam is barely mentioned, But it' s written in folklore
That Martin Bain took a wad of cash and he threw it in a drawer,
Then he brought a player across the sea, then tried to flog him on,
But the scam became a crock of sand and the player's called Boumsong.
Now the press will still be silent, when Uefa fines the Dobs
And remember Hun Directors will no longer have their jobs,
And remember that Sir Tenner, well, - you'll sell your shares no more
So keep well clear of Rangers - it's rotten to the core.
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The ideal outcome from the point of view of the Skint and his lickspittles in the press would be that an individual,no longer actively employed by the Club,carries the can for any wrongdoing.Think George Graham-Arsenal were able to distance themselves as a club from his recruiting practices quite effectively.
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DBBIA,
Souness would be the obvious sacrificial goat if things went according to the rescue plan.
However...that dodgy Martin Bain villa in France might be a wee bit difficult to pin on Souey?
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monteblanco
Amazing, it fits the tune perfectly.
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My Top 10 (and I'm quite happy to be bettered)
(1) Lisbon
(2) Dunfermline Final '65
(3) Leeds 2-1 (h leg)
(4) Rangers 5-1 1966
(5) St. Mirren 5-0 to win league
(6) Vojvodina
(7) Rangers 7-1
(8) Rangers 6-2
(9) Liverpool (away UEFA game)
(10) Leeds 1-0 (away leg)
Book : Dreams and Songs to sing
Luxury: reliving the whole Seville experience again.
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Sky Sports News just saying they 'understand' Amdil Faye's transfer from Portsmouth to Newcastle is under police investigation, so it does appear that this is an investigation into Transfers, and if the deal was that way, it lends a bit of credit to Newcastle saying they'd done nothing wrong as a Club.
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Can any of you smart techy guys help me re Tims on tv? The old tv has died and I need to buy new. Want to get rid of grabbers SKY TV and stay with SETANTA through FREEVIEW. Does this mean I miss out on some Tims matches eg Champions League. Anyone know a way without SKY?
Thanks.
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there is an old saying; ''its at times like these that you find out who your friends are..''
well every newspaper carried the dignity fc story on their front and back page, every paper that is except one.....
THE GLASGOW EVENING TIMES.
a GLASGOW paper not a national paper and no mention on its front page or its back page about the national scandal unfolding in its region.
absolutely incredible. the back page lead story was Kris Boyd saying he was going for a goal scoring record. HUNBELIEVABLE.
inside the paper the story is mentioned and states...rangers are assisting all they can in the investigation....doh!!!
they have NO CHOICE!!
i have stated on this blog before that celtic fans have a pre-disposition for sentimental victimisation tendecies.
(bhoycotting the record was pathetic and left the fans with egg on their faces when lennon gave them the exclusive on his book and his lovechild)
but there is no paranoia in stating that the glasgow evening times is firmly in the pay of the disgraced knight!!!
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Rakwarro, the old media are all over this one at the moment; when they scent blood, the colour of that blood does not matter.
Off the record comments have been made by the CEO, though not by Zsa Zsa (to anyone who has told me).
Monteblanco, :-)
The 8 greatest Celtic games I have attended and my memory allows me to recall:
St Johnstone 1998
5-1 1998
6-2 2000
Man Utd 2006
Seville 2003, football at the highest standard. We had them for the taking in the second half.
2-4 1983
2-1 League Cup Final 1982, dark skies, pouring rain. Maybe you had to be there.
Hearts, SC Semi Final 1988
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what a day to have computer problems, unable to post all day, and missed all the fun ....however here's my tuppenceworth
there seems to be a view put about by the media that ex employees of Rangers might have to face the music, but that the club will be fine.
if the boumsong transfer is part of this investigation i suspect it won't be that simple :
* Newcastle pay £8 million plus to Rangers for Boumsong. They presumably do not pay anyone other than Rangers.
* Should any of that £8 million find it's way into the hands of any Newcastle employee, then Rangers will be complicict in being party to a fraudulent act.
* Should any monies be paid to a Rangers employee , by a 3rd party, with regard to this transaction, then that employee will be guilty of a fraudulent act
The losers in all of this are the shareholders in Newcastle United Football Club, who have already stated they are not the subject of the investigation. They have also stated that they will take action against anyone who has been guilty of defrauding them. The COLP (fraud squad) have also stated that they are investigating actions which were against the owners and shareholders of football clubs. The absence of any statement from Rangers indicates the COLP don't think it was the Rangers shareholders who have been wronged here. Rangers shareholders were the beneficiary of massive generosity on the part of their former Manager who also happened to have been a former Director of Rangers plc.
The COLP are always on the lookout for high profile cases , which generate maximum publicity. They usually result in calls to the Revenue with offers of settlement or whistleblowers come out and try and save their own skins. I suspect there are individuals at the clubs concerned weighing up the merits of dishing the dirt as far up the food chain as they can, to save their own necks.
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Take them down.
What's Duffield saying about this ?
Uly -
are you around ?
WG
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Just to change the subject a little.
Looks like the English media has discovered that they play soccer in the USA. Channel 5 is to start a weekly MLS round up on 25/7 (or is that 7/25?) called, yes you guessed it - "David Beckham's Soccer USA"
Kinda reminds me of the time when that Italian club changed its name to "Paul Gasgcoine's Lazio"
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Red Hash post on Celticdelia for any interested psych-folksters.
SACK DUFFIELD
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What's that coming over the hill?
Is it the Fraud Squad? Is it the Fraud Squad?
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paul
In the lead up to the 1982 LCF were Rangers not bleating about ticket prices being cheaper for the Celtic end.
They seemed to forget that while they were all under cover we were in the early stages of hypothermia.
My top 8 are not in oredr
1986 Love St
1989 Cup Final
1979 4-2 game
4-3 CL Juventus
UEFA Cup 2-0 at Blackburn (how Souness suffered)
6-2 game
2-0 at New Year, that was it
6-1 against Clyde around 1970-71, my first game
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Nice list Paul,
And excellent headline by the way.
My favourite Euro game from yore was the 5-1 win against sporting lisbon.
I dont get to many games but that was a cracker.
An I was there night if ever there was one.
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Ian In Budapest
Ian, if you are around please be so kind and reply on my e-mail (you will find it on my profile). I'm not sure yet, but probably I'll be with my oldest daughter in Budapest on Friday, Saturday and Sunday. I would like to ask you about interesting places I should see there. Three days is not too much I think. I would not like to wander the streets of your city.
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Evening all,was just flicking through the channels there,onto setanta just as watties fraudsters went a goal down .Watched a bit of the action and i have to say havent seen much to worry us so far.Plenty enthusiasm as Jock Broon puts it.
The next Celtic game on setanta, is Newcastle on thursday week for anyone interested.
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My top 8 games attended would be, in no particular order :-
Brockville (9 in a row)
4-2 game
Amsterdam '82
85 cup final
89 cup final
Henke/Harald stop the 10
6-2 game
Seville(result apart)
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Had a look at the team Rangers put out....does it some up the depth of the Rangers squad, when they have to put out their strongest team this early in preseason?
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Paul
Boomsong? Storm in a Tinny!
If ye t'ink dat Ibrox will awe fa' doon....
den ma advice tae ye is....... DINNAE!
No a chance in da Hoat Place, wull Da Establishment Allow..
Da Ignominious Fa',o' der maist SACRED COW!
Forgetaboot dis Raid, an' it's Implications o' Trouble,
Which wull awe disappear, like a Dee-flated Bubble!
Ah'm afraid, Ray's Too Leery, No tae Cover his Tracks,
He hiz saw awe dis Comin', a guid wee while Back!!
collie.
Tail's Awaggin', Awaggin'
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Collie,
That maybe the case, but muck sticks and it sticks for a long time.......would you do any business with sir Murky or rangers now?
Lets hope he can't sell rangers now and keeps them stuttering along.
Paul,
Going by some of you're post, it seems to me you know more then you're letting on........I get the feeling there's more to this than just the JAB transfer, is that right?
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Collie-
If Sir Dodgy has covered his tracks so well ,then why the dawn raid?
As some of the legal experts that post on here will tell you,its gonnae take a real a master class performance of his smoke n mirror trick to come out of this one unblemished.
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Interesting article in The Guardian on the corruption story. Very heavily hinting that everyone in the game was scratching their heads when Souness paid 8million for Boumsong- not because he was a bad player (although he was)- but because there were NO OTHER BIDDERS.
This, more than the money involved, was what made the deal stink for me.
As for the Scottish press coverage, a special chocolate orange must surely go to Roger Hannah in the Mail. Rangers are apparently "relaxed" about being raided by cops. Indeed, he makes it sound like a bit of an honour to be asked to help the Fraid Squad with their enquiries.
One other thing- a friend in work vaguely connected with Rangers said he expected one very vain man with a suntan to be sweating profusely at this monent- and not just because of Boumsong, but also because of his Austrian shopping trip this time last year...
Allegedly.
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hi paul.fellow celts . cant get too excited at the police getting involved at rangers. the karaoke star will have been well briefed and backing from the laptop loyal, as gg stated in an earlier post should see the problem disappear. at least with the london police heading the investigation we have at least got to hear about it.
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ItaliaBhoy -
In that case should we not be worried about SP going to Villa? At the time MON bid for him, if memory serves me correctly, there were no other serious bidders in for him. Or am I getting confused in my old age?
Away to the Turra Teser for a small glass of dry sherry.
Will check i later to see if the grey cells have finally gone awol.
Cylur
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Lynott67
As Mr.Skeetzik, done tole us,
Da smell of COOKIN', wull meet da Fuzz!...
When dey rush like Gangbusters, into to da Ibrox Kitchen...
Alas!
Dey wur too late!!...
Wuz dat no Bitchin'?
collie.
Tail's Awaggin',Awaggin'
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Champions League Qualifiers-
latest-
FT Olimpi Rustavi 0 - 0 FC Astana
FT Khazar Lenkoran 1 - 1 Dinamo Zagreb
86' APOEL Nicosia 2 - 0 BATE Borisov
14' TNS 0 - 0 Ventspils
14' Zeta Golubovci 0 - 0 Kaunas
20:45 Linfield ? - ? Elfsborg
21:00 S.S. Murata ? - ? Tampere United
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Another interesting pre-season result-
Hanover -1 The Club Currently Under Investigation By The Fraud Squad -0
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Curly - Celtic turned down numerous offers from Pompey (for sure) and Fulham (if memory serves me right) in the days leading up to him going to Villa.
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This is a strange one-
Champions League Qualifier to be played tomorrow night-
FC Sheriff v FC Rangers
Bet it's not the last time we see those names matched against each other........
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To add a wee bit to Italiabhoy's post, The Guardian piece also says that Bobby Robson took a look at Boumsong before being sacked by Newcastle, while the player was still at Auxerre. It says he decided JAB wasn't worth going for (even as a Bosman).
Rangers player Newcastle in a pre-season friendly that year and, according to the same paper, Alan Shearer vindicated Bobby Robson's decision after the game because big Boum Boum was more of a fluffy pom-pom (no one's saying it made him a bad person).
Imagine the amazement all round Tyneside, then, when Souness comes in and lavishes £8.2 million on the big guy. Especially after his first match: he was given the runaround by DJ Campbell in an FA Cup Tie against non-league Yeading.
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Tom Hunter has just announced that he's giving £1 billion to charities working in Scotland and Africa.
Well done, sir. No question.
Does this mean his alleged interest in buying Rangers could be at an end? If so, wonder what brought that on.
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Noel
That's FC Ranger's (note the misplaced apostrophe) of Andorra. Until recently, they were called something like Charlie's Pizza Place Ranger's.
So it's even more spooky because that's what our beloved Rangers will be called soon.
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Whoooooooft !
42' Zeta Golubovci 2 - 0 Kaunas
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Paul
Enuff o' dat Stuff!
On wid da show!
Is it poassible dat Nae a Smith tae Cel'ic may go?
It is a stretchy bit, but from where I do sit...
It looks like da fire of Gordo's interest,
is still awe aglow!
Stranger t'ings hiv happened... as ah'm sure ye dae know!
In dis crazy season, anything goes...
Look at da Array o' Cel'ic Players... who's chance o'
gettin' a game,
Is woise dan a Drunk Pigeon, in findin' it's way Hame!
Dae we really need another Player tae add tae da mix?
If we dinna release some,soon... den we'll be in a fix!
Still, der is plentee o' time tae discard oor Refuse,
But at da moment, Parkheid is an o'er crowded, Hoose!
collie.
Tail's Awaggin', Awaggin'
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