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Agreed .... just watch the rotten mob struggle to sell their "stars"...
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It's a startling aspect of the generation of domination. Someone made a valid comparison yesterday between Craig Beattie and Jamie Smith, but we didn't get anything for Jamie.
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Paul67,
Just letting you know that I will not be going to the Uhrencup this week.In fact it´s looking highly likely that I will be spending the up and coming weekend in East Kilbride and ML2 having just recieved some bad news.
We can catch up some other time
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We shouldn´t forget the 1m clause that Balde has if he completes his contract. He leaves this summer for free or we pay him 2.5m for the next year
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Paul67-if you are in the Lake District and looking for something to do between the showers there is a fantastic exhibition of football photographs in Ambleside.It looks a bit out of place amongst all the Beatrix Potter tat but it's well worth a visit.
And if you're looking for a real treat go to the Drunken Duck for lunch.
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Or the Gilpen Lodge Hotel for Dinner! Njoy!
And you will be amongst loads of Naka Fans there ....
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Or the Gilpen Lodge Hotel for Dinner! Njoy!
And you will be amongst loads of Naka Fans there ....
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Or the Gilpen Lodge Hotel for Dinner! Njoy!
And you will be amongst loads of Naka Fans there ....
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We seem to be in a decent position at the moment regarding moving on players who are not first team choices. I'd say we could sell Miller, Balde, JJ & TG to upper Championship/lower Premiership clubs in England. Zurawski is probably one we'd struggle with.
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and for the kids Paul The South Lakes Wild Animal Park , In Dalton cant be missed.... Africa - in - Furness
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Citibhoy
I think Paul gets his fill of wild animals twice a year down Govan way!
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Kevin must feel like Darren O'Dea.
You come in at a time of need, do a great job, but as soon as the main man gets near a connected terminal - holiday in the Lake District with the family or not - you're sidelined again.
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Or the pub in Ing[the Waterside?]with all the draught beers.
And,pour les enfants,the Pencil Museum.
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Sellik First
I think Paul is still Kevin if you know what I mean.
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paul67.
The time is about to fall for the English clubs who are spending money as if there is no end to it.
The £27m Liverpool paid for Torres,can they recover their money if Torres does'nt fit in at Anfield, he could be another Graveson,Great player but not fitting in at Celtic Park,would another team pay £27m to take Torres of Liverpools books,I doubt it,Liverpool will burn their fingers when Torres is moved on,The same goes for all the other big priced signings being snapped up by these big spending English clubs,Frank Lampard refusing to sign another contract at Chelsea,who can walk for nothing when his contract is up,and what club is going to pay his £125.000pw salary.
The bubble will burst and sooner rather than later.
Celtic are benefitting from the madness thats going on down in England,Beattie to WBA for £1.25m going up to £1.75 with add ons,Talk of Graveson,and Jiri,going for £3m a piece,Marshall to Norwich for £1m.
It goes on and on.
I can see Celtic, before the close of the transfer window buying the WOW signing, and maybe more signings over and above.
Good days being a Celtic supporter, champing at the bit for the season to start.
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oldtim67
Would we not be falling into the trap you outline by going for the WOW signing ?
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3/7/07 3.35 Tiny Tim (in particular)/Great Auk
Are you suggesting that because some of his signings have not succeeded thus far that Gordon Strachan is a poor manager? If we follow this arguement, then so was Martin O'Neill,(David Fernandez, Momo Sylla, Steve Guppy, Michael Gray); Jock Stein, (Roy Kay, John Dowie, Jimmy Bone,Joe Fillipi, Roy Baines, and others in between, David Hay having bought Jim Melrose and Brian Whittaker.
Your arguements appear to take a scattergun approach! Make some wild criticism and maybe by chance you may stumble upon a valid point. In my view, you have been wholly unsuccessful in this endeavour.
With regard to Rigters you seem to approach this based upon what you have read in the papers, not always a good idea. Whos said he was a legitimate signing target? Gordon Strachan? Peter Lawell or some other Celtic spokesman? No! Earnie Stewart, the player's agent and the Daily Ranger. We may have had a look at him and have had some initial interest, but we never made a bid for him. This is despite the first reoports of any interest being a few weeks go. This suggests to me that Gordon Strachan was not convinced, even when it appeared a fee of some £300,000 or so could have secured his services. On this issue you have no concrete facts to back up your arguements.
In my view your whole post lacks facts, containing only opinion.
From my reading of your post it seems you do not like Gordon Strachan,therefore, any opportunity that presents itself to criticise the manager you would take it. You may well have valid points to make and constructive criticisms of Gordon Starchan, but they in my opinion, are not present in your post.
With regard to squad players I would argue that we do need more of these. In the full back positions, for example, we have no clear alternatives to Lee Naylor and Mark Wilson, who it appears will be the first choices in these positions. We need back up there.
You criticise the manager for going after Jimmy Floyd Hasselbank, (i'm not terribly bothered that he went elsewhere). He is obviously close to the end of his career, but given his record I would argue he could have scored goals for us.
I don't know what you were driving at with your Jiri Jarosik and Jan Vennegor of Hesselink comments? I would be interested to know what the comment regarding going for one type of player then signing another was about, as I am unclear what you were getting at.
Finally and this my seem a bit of a harsh comment, but your statement that Walter Smith has the upper hand with regard to signings over Gordon Strachan is completely ludicrous and cannot be substantiated.
You continually make assumptions and speculate about the manager's actions, but provide no concrete facts to back up your arguements.
You appear to be confusing fact with opinion.
Oh aye and as for you Auk. It is not The manager's fault for strikers tally drying up.
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OldTim,
Similarly, Chelsea are losing 50% of some of their player values in one year (Shevchenko, Boulharouz).
We are for the first time cashing in on superfluous members of our squad such as Varga, Wallace, Beattie, Marshall etc, for on average £1m per player.
Even Rangers couldn't afford our squad players these days as their 'blue chip' signing.
The future's bright.........
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danny,
No.
Celtic's WOW signing would'nt be in the middle bracket of the English signings.
If Celtic goes for someone in the £4-£5m bracket, I'll be the first to say WOW.
As I did when we signed Scott Brown,Scottie was a WOW signing for me.
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oldtim67
Depends on your definition of WOW but a relatively unproven player from Hibs is not a WOW signing in my book.
Having said that I am pleased with the signing of Brown and would gladly avoid WOW signings as I fear they'd turn out like Gravesen.
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David Marshall off to Norwich for undisclosed fee.
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danny.
Agree with you wholeheartedly.
I said WOW because it seems to be the done thing when talking about a signing thats priced £4-£5 on here these days.
I was a bit reluctant to write what I did about Graveson but it was used as a comparison.
Graveson in my eyes is a good player,I think his problem with us was, he tried to hard to please the support which he loves,
If thats possible.
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Norwich City have completed the signing of goalkeeper Celtic David Marshall for an undisclosed fee.
"I'm delighted to be bringing a keeper of David's calibre to the club," said Norwich boss Peter Grant.
"There was a lot of discussion between Celtic and Norwich. At one stage we didn't think it was going to happen."
The 22-year-old was on loan at Norwich last season but his season came to a premature end when he was injured in an FA Cup tie against Chelsea in February.
Celtic rejected an initial offer from the English club, who went on to secure Rochdale's Matthew Gilks.
But manager Grant insisted that he was still pursuing Marshall, who is keen for regular first-team football to rekindle his international career.
And after signing his man, Grant added: "He is a quality addition in a position which can earn you 10 or 15 points in a season."
Marshall was sent out on loan in January after being forced to sit on the bench by the form of Poland goalkeeper Artur Boruc.
Marshall, who made his Celtic debut in 2003, made 49 appearances for the Scottish champions.
In 2004 he saved a penalty taken by Ronaldinho in a Uefa Cup tie against Barcelona but lost his place to Boruc under Gordon Strachan.
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theleftwinger.
Chelsea are the cause of the big spending down in England.
They started the ball rolling,and the rest just followed on.
I'm surprised that Liverpool paid £27m for Torres,I cant see them do anything but burn their fingers with the purchase of Torres.
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oldtim67
Can't make my mind up about whether TG tried too hard or after kicking his heels with Real Madrid thought the SPL would be a dawdle and just doesn't have the right attitude.
Maybe the manager who signed him for Everton would want him ?
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I reckon that the big bonus in selling David Marshall is the near certainty that we will start next season with Big Artur still between the sticks.
If Artur was for the offski, I don't think that Marshall's sale would have gone ahead.
Best wishes to David Marshall in the future - but if he wants to stay fit, he needs to go easy on all that home cooking stuff that Delia serves up.
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Danny
I agree - I think the performances up to TG signing for RM were what brought him to Celtic Park not how he played at RM - But at the time I thought that was more than enough too. But he became a tactical liability with his headless chicken schtick. Then WGS rested him for a while. I wondered if a spell on the bench, removing all thoughts of 'I'm a first pick player', would have made him listen more to his manager - Nope headless runaround now.
Ah well, he raised the calibre and arena of signings we were and are now accustomed to.
PS is the donate a strip charity still available - does anyone have details?
Cheers
U.
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a big thanks to the peter pointer for the cash.
and also best wishes to david marshall and thanks for those two good games.
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SOAL
Any more on Saviola? I'm offski on hols. tomorrow so I'd like you to have this buttoned up today:o)
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TG at times last season played really well. Most of the time he was poor however there were always a few moments where his quality shone through. He plays a lot of clever passes that most players wouldn't see or be quick enough to react to. His form needs to be a lot more stable though if he's going to remain at the club.
Jarosik on the other hand for me would need to change completely to fit into the Scottish game, it's not just a form/shape of the team thing for him and I'd get shot of him ASAP.
I'd be ok with TG staying as long as his form improves (I think it will with a new shape and style of play) but if he's in the way of signing someone like Appiah I would be less than pleased.
Anyone know what we'll get for Marshall - I'd guess there'd be a really big bonus payment if Norwich are promoted.
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Kittoch from the last post.
Camera then? The one just over the hump of the bridge, as you go out of the town towards Newcastle?
The course was ritual humiliation. Sanctimonious instructors asking glaringly obvious questions about driving safety and expecting you to contribute like an overgrown schoolboy. And you didn't get a pass certificate if you didn't show the right spirit and level of enthusiasm. So in theory you could still get your fine and points deduction.
They took you out for a test drive. Could I keep the car below 30?
I had six points already at the time, so it was a no brainer for me. It was OK actually, I find it quite amusing looking back. Mine was in Preston, having got done on the road into Blackpool.
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Uly -
strip charity izzit ?
Nae wunner ye wullny leave ML3
WithoutGladrags
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David Marshall and Barcelona = indelible memories.
Thank you and good luck, young man
WithmuchGratitude
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EDB
more on saviola just for you mind
Javier Pedro Saviola (born 11
December 1981 in Buenos Aires, Argentina) is an Argentinian professional football player, who currently has no team. His usual position is as a striker. He is known for his speed and his ability to score from almost any position. He has scored 10 goals in 34 games for the Argentina national team, and represented his country at the 2006 FIFA World Cup. In 2005, he was named for the FIFA 100 list of the 125 greatest living footballers.
enjoy your hols
AL
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SOAL That was cruel - I placed a daft groundless hopelessly optimistic bet with a friend a couple of days ago that we would sign said argentinian, so I'm hanging on your every word here! There's a double JD and a raspberry ruffle at stake for goodness sake..
lynnsgamblinggreensocks
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Lynne i will send you the double JD
and 22pence for the raspberry ruffle.
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SOAL - s'ok, i won't hold you you personally responsible and JD doesn't travel well.. I've just re-read my post - 'hopelessly optimistic'? - is it possible to be such a thing?
LGS
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Arthur Lee -
raspberry ruffle izzit ?
You have betrayed the Sacred Freddo of ML2.
WispaGemmell
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Why is Saviola a free agent? How much money is (was) he on, I take it it's something ridiculous like £100,000 because just look at his goals tally (according to wikipedia):
Team | Games | Goals | Goals per game
River plate | 86 | 44 | 0.51
Barcelona | 157 | 68 | 0.43
AS Monaco | 29 | 7 | 0.24
Sevilla | 30 | 9 | 0.3
Argentina | 36 | 11 | 0.35
TOTAL | 340 | 139 | 0.41
I think it's safe to say at Celtic he would be scoring about a goal every two games.
Can't see it happening as we'll no doubt be behind a long list of top English, Spanish and Italian clubs... damn Scotland!
Strange though that he's not at a club already. Would be a definite WOW signing.
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WG,
It was bounty happen. SOAL revels in it...
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Malone.
I would say the going price for Marshall was £1m,plus the usual add-ons,
And as someone said earlier a good price for two good saves against Barcelona,I would be inclined to agree with that poster.
All the best to Marshall in the English championship.
Ulysesses McGhee.
Hold on to the strip,theres strips to be seen at Celtic Park that I, in my 56 years, can't remember the names of some of the players,And some of the strips should'nt be worn,I think Celtic would be quite happy to accept them into their museum collection.
Danny.
I should have said £4-£5m instead of £4-£5.surrprised that I was'nt pulled up on that.
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Glenoory - when it comes to crunchy anyone would pick the ruffle.
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SAOL.
We've not been very lucky with our South American signings,But I would be a happy man if we got Saviola,he's always grabbing the headlines with the good football he plays.
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Ragnar from last thread.
PH was a flop last season,fact.
TG was a flop last season, fact.
JJ was a flop last season, fact.
KM was a flop last season,fact.
MZ was a flop last season,fact.
JVOH was missed far too many games due to injury,fact.
JFH was a flop at Charlton last season,fact.
Quinton Fortune was a flop at Bolton last season,fact.
Since his appointment Walter Smith has won two OF derbies,fact.
Since his appointment Walter Smith gained more league points than WGS did,fact.
Celtic won the double despite these fact's,fact.
Jock Stein and Martin O,Neill did much better with there big money signings than Gordon Strachan has.Opinion or fact?
Make your own mind up.
I don't rate Mr Strachan as highly as many on here do,Fact.
Thank's for taking the time to comment on my post.
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TinyTim
Strachan hadn't made a big signing until this pre-season. When you look at the fees MON paid for Lennon, Sutton etc. then only Brown begins (and not quite) to fall into this category. Can't comment on Stein as I wasn't alive and couldn't tell you what a big money signing was back then?!
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TinyTim,
Who would you replace him with?
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All of MoN's big money signings were successful and repaid the outlay-especially CRSutton who represented a risk given his'career'at Chelsea.
TG cost the club a lot interms of his wages-'the highest paid player in Scotland,and sometimes he wasn't even on the same postcode,never mind the bench.
2 years ago at this time of year P67 posted an article on the importance of not having big earning players not contributing on the pitch and ruining their amortisation with their mojo.This year will see the same thing if we take low earners off the payroll[DM,CB]and the big Budget Bhoys remain unbudged.
I don't think Saviola will come to Parkhead anytime soon,unfortunately,as he would have been an excellent foil for JVH.
DHealy is still at LUFC and they are desperate for any cash at all.
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I said last pre season that the club was at a tipping point with a need to invest big to progress and i was pleasantly surprised.
Whilst it was a apparent that signings such as miller would not work out. i feel that hardly any celtic fan would argue against the signings of Gravsen and Jarosik at the time.
Sadly they have not worked out and if we could perhaps shift Gravesen, Jarosik, Miller, zurawski, pressley and hartley we would remove the deadwood and really develop team 3.
Again we are at another tipping point as we realy could leave the huns behind.
I feel we need to:
buy a good back up keeper
get Left back cover
obtain a first team right back
Keep balde our best centre half
Punt Hartley and get in cover for brown and Donatie
Have four strikers from JVOH, New first choice partner, McDonald and Killen.
That would curb the joy of the laptop loyal as we approach their unholy buckfast soaked holiday. (sorry too many organge marches around me)
The above could be achieved with an additional spend of around £7 million not outwith our means I would hope.
Hopefully the rest of the "malcontents" as the happy clappy brigade call us will join me back here now the football is starting.
Heres a rumour for you all then petrov back at the club before the start of the season for £2million
Totally made up, does that make me Collie!
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Latest, Sir Minty Moonbeam knighted!!
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Did Saviola not make noises after his Monaco stint that he had the choice of the principality or Celtic and he regretted his choice?
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Can someone help me out here?
Is the Scotland game on TV tonight?
Thanks in advance,
RD
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RitchieDonovan........................
me No interNet wizard.............
but In a word...............
No................................
BigJoeWhoMAYbeWrong
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Ritchie
03.45 on BBC2.
Check out livesportontv.com.
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Cheers edh
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gweedorebhoy.
You state that,"whilst it was apparent the signings such as Miller,would not work out.
I feel that hardly any Celtic fan would argue against the signings of Graveson and Jarosik at the time".
Is this before or after the event, there is nobody on earth can state that such and such a player will play great for the team,"ie Celtic",Miller could have been an outstanding signing for Celtic,Graveson,Jarosik and any other you care to name could have been a good signing on the day,but for some reason they all had a very bad season at Celtic Park.
Gweedore.
I know you are not anti Gordon Strachan,but there are those on here that will be glad to see the back of him,I for one hopes he stays as long as Celtic are winning,playing jazzy football or the ugly way we played for long spells last season
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Its tomorrow at 03.45..............
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bIGjOEwhoHatesBEINGwright
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oldtim67
A person who told me GS was coming well in advance of his arrival at Celtic Park told me yesterday this would be his last season.
Only time will tell.
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Malone_86_.
I was there at the time of big Jock.
There was no £100.000 signings, no £50.000 signings,If my memory serves me Joe McBride cost £17.000 and was the biggest signing for Celtic.
But,(the big but)I was indulging in the sauce in those days, and my mind may have been a little addled at the time.
There will be better than me on this site who will be able to enlighten you more.
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oldtim67
Was Willie Wallace not something like a £30,000 signing?
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el diego bhoy.
We've all got our opinions on Gordon,I would say Celtic will be worse for the leaving of the wee man.
I hope he stays longer,but he's never had any insentive by most of our support to stay longer.
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ELD,
You just stole me thunder. I was going to say exactly that, although oldtim67 is dead right about the great Joe McBride. I think Jock Stein managed to get his price down from £20,000. Best piece of transfer business ever, in my opinion.
I think Tom Callaghan also cost something like £30,000 as did Harry Hood and Dixie Deans, everyone a winner.
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EDB (my apologies),
I think you could also add the likes of Steve Murray and Pat Stanton to that list.
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oldtim67
What I've been told could be utter bunkum but I trust the person who told me. I think Gordon has already said that a manager's tenure shouldn't be more than 3 years and I suspect from a lifestyle point of view he sees the South coast of England as his, and his wife's, eventual home.
When he chooses to leave I doubt that it will be in response to an approach from an EPL club - though that may come later.
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El Diego Bhoy enjoy your hols.
How time flies this was posted over two years ago,maybe this time ?
At 06/04/05 11:51, TrueTim ..... May i point out that if it wasn't for Monaco losing Morientes and coming in with a last ditch attempt - Saviola would be at CP; so that was a bit unlucky.
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el diego bhoy.
Good shout,I said there would be someone on here that would enlighten you more.
I remember Wallaces transfer now and I think your right about the £30.000.
edb.
Not a bad memory for looking back 40 odd years.
If I'm looking back to the 60's I'll call on your memory bank.
Talking about memory,is there anyone out there, who, if I ask them a Question, will they be able to help me.
Its about a team called Vale of Clyde from 1960's 65's.
If theres anyone out there who can help it would be much appreciated.
I'll devulge more if anyone thinks they can help.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vale_of_Clyde_F.C.
Wikipedia is your friend :)
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Although there doesn't seem much on there to be fair :(
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Terry
Many thanks. Looking forward to your jousting with you know who next season.
Hopefully I'll be logging on during the holiday - need to get out of the sun now and again!
I've been ELD and EDH so far tonight. Might eventually become ELO!
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Under 24 hours [roon ye Jack Bauer]to go until the launch of Team 3.
Ah canny wait.
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Jock Stein paid £90,000 for Johnny Doyle, £65,000 for Alfie Conn, £60,000 for Tom McAdam, £80,000 for Ronnie Glavin, Ally Hunter for £40,000, Andy Lynch for £35,000, Steve Murray for £50,000.
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Benny 17.56
I didn't say that i wanted him replaced.I am pointing out that his big signings have flopped.We could have been in a much stronger position for this season ,if they had worked.
Two season's of getting a good level "bang for our buck" for our players,would have left the Darnel in a position that they would have taken years to recover from.
This season will be very tight.
Mr Strachan has earned the right to continue.
If he goes we must look to improve on what he has done.
I believe that Sam Allardyce would have done that.
Alan Curbishley,
David Moyes.
We won't be short of candidates when he goes.
At one time i would have had MON back.However he has had his time,i fear.
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Tinytim-
I hope you have got handers for Friday 13th.
I'm sending Martin02 up to sort you out.........
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Tobi
I enjoyed watching all of those guys in the Hoops, well not Ally Hunter of course - think he wore a plain green jersey?- but I really took to Alfie Conn. I remember a game at Snake Mountain when he hit the bar - oh how I wanted that to go in. He was a good footballer.
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SN was a beacon in the darkness last season. Fact.
NL was a rock for the beacon. Fact.
KM gave us some (too few, alas) memorable moments. Fact.
AB is a goalkeeper. Fact.
JVOH scores when he's fit. Fact.
SM added another good year of progress. Fact.
LN was a full back revelation. Fact.
The league was won by November. Fact.
You can only win agaisnt the opposition that faces you. Fact.
WS has not won a significant competitive match against GS. Fact.
JJ and TG were generally hailed by all as good signings. Fact.
JS never made a big money signing. Fact.
From 1967 onwards, JS managed the decline of a football team. Fact or opinion?
From 2003 onwards. MON managed the decline of a football team. Fact or opinion?
From 2005 onwards, it's been upwards all the way for GS. Fact, surely?
Last season was a vintage one for adverse refereeing decisions. Fact or opinion?
I quite like this game.
GS is our manager. Fact.
We won the double last season. Fact.
We qualified for the l;ast 16. Fact.
We came as close as anyone to eliminating the eventual CL winners. Fact.
We have to get better next season. Fact.
I'm glad I don't have Gordon Strachan's job, and I'm just as glad that he's got it.
Thanks for the challenge tinytim. We've needed it.
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Cracking Wee Celtic Clip
Fact.
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Evening everyone
On the Saviola rumour, www.football-rumours (can't do links)are reporting that Celtic have requested info regarding a work permit for a Mr Saviola. Also saying TG off to Reading. I know it's a rumour site and you can't take it too seriously, as it also states Novo to WBA for £3 million.
Didn't think big Mowbray was that daft!!
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parkheadcumsalford.
Another smart arse,would that be inflation creeping in,Callahan reminded me of Willie Fernie a silky smooth player,Everyones crying out for a goalscorer, Harry Hood would have filled that bill,what a goalscorer.
I had a wee problem in those days with the bevvy,Travelling 30miles to every home game, Went to the Pub at 11.00 am opening time picked up in the pub at 1.15 to get to Parkhead, before you left there was the wee matter of the carry oot for the game,no problems in those days,we always had a case of beer and a bottle of whisky,not a dickie bird from the polis.
As I said, in those days my mind was a bit addled.
I went to Lisbon and stayed sober all day,but I made up for it at night.
I was that drunk at night I could'nt find where the tent was,found the camp site and found a swimming pool that was level with the ground,I fell in but could'nt swim,You've heard of walking on water I managed to walk under water until I got to the shallow end.
I can tell you I sobered up pretty quick, and found the tent, about fifty yards from the pool,they would'nt let me in the tent because I was drenched.
Sorry for deviating from the main point,which was?.
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Hoopy
I think you'll find the source of the Saviola rumour is oor verra ain Spirit of Arthur Lee.
He's still working on what I feel is a key question in all this.
If Saviola took Spanish citizenship in 2001 when he joined Barcelona, why would he need a work permit?
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oldtim
I think the main point is that we are the champions. But I've changed to UK time and I'm still celebrating my birthday so I amy have missed something along the way.
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Celtic First
Ask him just to post all the rumours on here to save us all trawling the net 'cos we're bored stiff. Roll on tomorrow. Game at last!
Is he making up the Novo rumour as well, or is that David Murray?
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Tinytim,
I have been without the internet for almost a month and I really missed your posts.
Four days after our cup final win, you posted your thoughts on the game.
Those thoughts contained of just 9 words of praise for our victory and 245 words of complaint against the team and club.
Now I know that last season did not always contain the scintillating football we all craved, but the pluses outnumbered the negatives over the piece.
I really hope you are proved wrong this season, because if not, I shudder to think how it will affect you.
I dread to think what you would say if we played Tommy Burns football and lost the league.
That would be the real test of your theory. would it not?
I am with Ragnar and Shug on this one as you might well have guessed but maybe, just maybe the MINESHAFTERS will wait until the season has started before lambasting the manager, the players and the club.
By the way, I look forward to meeting up again at Aberdour on the 20th July.
How are the women in your life? give them my regards.
E D B, how are you and M doing and of course your daughters?
Like the women in TTs life pass on my best wishes.
Noel,
That "BUILDING" at Mossend Cross has Three you know what flying from it.
How is Martin02 doing?
It is nice to be back on line.
CHEERS TO ALL,
Martin42.
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Loved the quality of the debate today bhoys. Mind you I thought it was only David Brent that said FACT :-)
It will be interesting to see how the TG story pans out. Today I have read haedlines associated with his name that have branded him; "dud" "outcast" "misfiring" "inept" "difficult" "a waste" "under performing" etc. Now I am not claiming to know for sure that he can still be a great player for Celtic but ask any Evertonian their opinion of TG and it´s normally glowing.
I reckon that he´s the type of character who is not solely money driven and in fact is a consumate professional.
He has definitely had a set back in his career and he will I reckon take that very seriously. The quite scandalous inerpretation of his time at Celtic so far will stick in his craw. He would not be the first professional player to be motivated to stick the words of a few people down their throats especially in the press. Lets hope that he gets his career on track for his sake because I always was excited while watching him play for Everton. I also hope that we´re not the one´s eating his words. It would be another few threads worth of material if TG was to go to the EPL and be a revelation.
I´d keep him until xmas unless somebody comes in with a non loss making offer. That way we´ll get him for the CL games and their will be a fair share of interest from relegation threatened EPL teams.
I know this suggestion will now be laughed at but if he had played exceptionally well won the awards instead of Nakamura and had the smae trust shown in him by WGS, not that WGS hasn´t given him a fair chance. He´d be under consideration as this seasons captain. TRIPE :-)
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I see Fauxbert laid into the Gers in today´s Daily Mail :-)
Hail Hail
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i just read the article in the herald about gravesen
i was wondering what the consensus was on whether
1 - he deserves a second season to prove himself
2 - will strachan give him that chance?
my opinion is that he does deserve a chance but i think strachan dislikes him and being as stubborn as he is he won't get one. the article also says he had a poor relationship with lennon, not the first time that has been suggested.
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''WS has not won a significant competitive match against GS. Fact.''
That's not a fact. It depends on your view of the word significant. Both games were significant for Rangers in their efforts to finish second. But here is a fact ''GS has not won any match against WS''
From 2005 onwards, it's been upwards all the way for GS. Fact, surely?
Celtic points totals
2005 - 92 points
2006 - 91 points
2007 - 84 points
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Noel90 have you seen this ?
Pure comedy gold !
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mike1949.
Thanks for the information,I tried wiki but it did'nt help.
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martin
Great to see you posting again. I'm aware of you're difficulties with your PC - Big P kept me up to speed.
You'll have mail in a minute.
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antsman
Good questions. Here's what I trhink.
Everybody deserves a second chance. Even Bobo. Who is now on his sixth. Or seventh.
Will Gordon Strachan give Thomas Gravesen another chance?
Well, first of all, I'd like to say that Gordon is too professional to allow personal feelings to intervene in his team decsions. But I won't because I'm not that naive.
What is the state of the personal relationship between the two? I have no idea, but Gordon's the boss. If Thomas has a problem with it, he knows what he needs to do. This is not Ibrox.
Do I think that Thomas will get a chance if he shines in training? Absolutely. Will he have to shine a bit brighter because he's fallen behind in the pecking order? Absolutely. Would I like him to be the player most thought he could be? Absolutely.
We'll know soon enough if he's just riding the system so that he can keep raking in the cash. If his words about proving his worth are true, then he will know in himself when it's time to go.
Just for interest, what are the facts that substantiate Gordon Strachan's stubbornness?
Hello Martin, how are you?
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From Kilmarnock-mad.co.uk:
"Hibernian football club yesterday tendered a 7 figure offer for Kilmarnock forward Steven Naismith's services, the bid was rejected along with Rangers fourth offer to Kilmarnock for the players signature... Kilmarnock chairman Michael Johnston said: "It is a more attractive offer than the Rangers one and might be the subject of future discussions,"
Ahahahahahahaha!
I get the feeling no clubs, in Scotland anyway, will be wanting to conduct any kind of business with Rangers.
The same article says we may have made an 'enquiry' again. I hope not, think he's a decent player but a bit too much in the Riordan bracket so what's the point?
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It appears that Boruc is with the squad in Switzerland.
http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/7513/89066423os8.jpg
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Shug,
I am just back after the longest month immaginable.
I am just home from holiday on Monday.
My good ldy and m,e were in Torremolinas for a week, enjoyed it very much, but made the mistake of going back to the same hotel as last year,it was great last year, but the comic told the same jokes, the singers sang the same songs and the magician pulled the same rabbits out of the same hat, you get the idea.
The weather was brilliant.
Back at work today and feels like I have never been away.
Cheers,
Martin42
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Tobi
Well spotted.
My perspective on significant is green and white. So "fact" stands for me.
Number of points is relative. So are goals scored and goals conceded. Championships won, all else being equal which it hasn't been, is absolute.
The comfort margin is, I admit, subjective. I was comfortable last August, assured by November. The points margin was irrelevant. That's my fact.
It's got better year on year under Gordon. Fact, I think. He just has to do it again.
Tough.
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Never mind Martin, at least Gordon changes the cast every year.
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Martin-
Aberdour could be cold,wet and lonely on the 20th.
You should try the CQN Golf Do on the 13th...........
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NoBread-
I saw it on CelticMinded earlier.
Quality !
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malone_86 said
"I get the feeling no clubs, in Scotland anyway, will be wanting to conduct any kind of business with Rangers."
That's because they don't want to risk getting 6p in the pound on the hire purchase agreements they sign up to.
Isn't it ironic, Rangers trying to do transfer deals on the tick?
Would you sell a used car to that man, on credit?
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Noel,
Well spotted, my deliberate mistake, I might have known you would spot it first.
Looking forward to the 13th and Aberdour.
Cheers,
Martin42
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Celtic Football Club
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Malone86
If Hibs were to sign Naismith ahead of Rfc the repercussions down Govan way would be off the scale.
We have grown so used to the "natural" order of football here and its power structure being Celtic and Rangers by and large swapping first and second places that the prospect of RFC being outbid by a Scottish team seemed , until now, unthinkable.
I can't recall , even in our darkest days, that ever happening to us.
I think we are now at a point where RFC's financial weakness is prejudicing their ability to compete with other Scottish teams.
If that is the case and their position as financial also rans continues to be regularly repeated in results there will be a revolt against Murray of such proportions as will make his position untenable and hasten his departure.
If that happens and they thereby kill their golden goose what happens next?
One of their own directors has , in the past ,acknowledged their position as a primarily west of Scotland club.
Such limitations on their market and customer base strangle their ability to derive a "warchest" from their own trading and with their merchandising crown jewel already sold the prospect of a number of wilderness years ( a Generation of Abomination) beckons , saveable only by a big buy out (not happened yet despite the rumours of them being effectively for sale having done the rounds for many months) or a very substantial share issue to their fanbase.
Is enough to make you weep , isnt it?
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Get in there John Collins you mischievious wee six pack. Just when you thought it couldn't get any more embarrassing for the Embarrassment Club.
Steven Naismith, read the signs. You're a professional footballer with ambition, and you're a Rangers supporter. In a different time you could be both. But not today.
Ambitious footballer, or supporter. Take your pick.
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teeheeehee.
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chennaiseabird:Kojo has been in communication, by phone.
Here are two quips from him:Expressed in my own words.
"Any one, who does not measure up in any walk of life, shall receive a second chance to be indifferent.
"Saviola? Pure Baloniola!"
Back to work.
Tuesday Gal.
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oldtim67, malone 86 & EDB...
Just been reading through the earlier posts and read the comments about Jock Stein's signings.
In my opinion his first two, Joe McBride and Willie Wallace, were his best.
Joe McBride was a brilliant centre forward, 86 goals in 94 appearances, and it was a great pity that his Celtic career was cut short by that injury in late 1966.
Pound for pound Willie Wallace was probably the best of Jock's purchases. His 135 goals in 234 appearances was a great return given that Wispy wasn't an out and out centre forward.
I remember him playing at right half on occasions.
I don't know anyone who would dispute the quality of Joe and Willie.
However, I thin
