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Ooh look at that! C'mon the Wee Man!
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More good news Paul. Happy dhays!
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I'll tak the hat-trick Its been a good weekend!
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debt under £5m and £7m sitting in the bank (or in Peter Lawwell's briefcase)... happy days indeed!
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I wonder what pub my pals will take me to Saturday night? Mmm?
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Dear Kitalba,
Well said, well said. We will have to stand up against injustices if and when they are carried out against us. If the club doesn’t want to involve itself in taking on the football authorities through fear of further punishment or whatever, then it is indeed for us as Celtic supporters to show the SFA through a televised coordinated action, our contempt of their incompetence/corruption, or simply blatant dislike for us.
The season has just started, and we’ve shown everyone after the 3 -1 result we’re not going to drop the points they were hoping for, and they haven’t been able to dock us points or fine us through our singing or behaviour. But having a go at us through our manager is something just as serious. We have to react.
Gordon Strachan is being victimised. Celtic is being victimised.
Hail Hail
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aw john that would've been 5!
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Paul, I was hoping you'd explain the significance of turnover being so far ahead of Rangers'.
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Paul 67
What is the ratio of player salaries to turnover?
SMACK Duffield
'GG waiting for news of an organiser signing.
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paul67
i know u like this kind of subject, do we have cash in the bank greater than the debt, i.e. could pay it off but are hapy to keep money in bank and debt at a managable level
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At last we've declared the Seville money!......
And the gate money from the Dundee game 1988.......
And the money from the 60's....
and 70's....
and Rangers' JJB money.....
and Martin Bain's euros.....
Give me an A!
Give me an M!
Give me an O!
Give me an R!............
How is our income from non recurring continuing operations relative to the multimedia revenue streams from franchised developments doing this year?
Gary Pendrey said we only made 2 million?!
We're RICH! Rich I tell ya!
Marjorie! Get the 12 year old good stuff from the board room cabinet dear, time for a snifter.
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If I understand correctly, the transfer fees paid for Brown, McDonald, Donati and Killen will have been paid before 30th June and included as expenditure in the accounts presented today.
If so, seems like good business sense to spend when "flush" with money and minimise any big effect on the accounts for the next 12-months even if we do not make the Group stages of the Champions League with its resultant "loss" in income.
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am i right in saying then we have made a loss of around £2m since january
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Celtic First, I’ll go into the comparables with Rangers after more reading. Their turnover is 57% of ours.
‘GG wages to turnover ratio is 48.4%.
Antsman, no. The £4.99m debt is net debt. In other words, the club will have money is some accounts, but will owe loans greater than this amount.
You are correct, the half year accounts showed a profit of just below £18m.
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Paul67:
stayed out of my bed for two hours writing this. Wouldn't mind it being read. So copied it over. If it is causing an obstruction of any kind feel free to delete it.
oldtim67:
itz:
Citibhoy:
BigChipSuk:
From the previous and shortest lived thread I’ve ever known.
Thanks.
I HATE bullies. Especially the ones from the establishment.
BlantyreKev:
In your defence of ….
It’ll never come to it: they haven’t got the bottle.
Should the powers that be, deem it wise in their, stupidity, to ban Gordon Strachan to the stand: then in a colossal show of empathy and in solidarity with the manager of our great club, in parallel support of our ethos; a unique and jaw dropping, show of dissent, must be our protest
Looks like our manager is in trouble again. Justified? Make your own mind up.
Irrespective do you honestly believe his conduct under duress merits a ten match ban to the stands. Is there any precedence for such a sentence as insidiously promoted through literal innuendo in, ‘The Scotsman’?
Would you back him and if so what would you do?
I don’t know what we could do… that would be so visibly and audibly striking… as to incite others to ask the question… WHY? Why are they doing that?
Maybe as the huddle forms if the crowd were to face away from the pitch and a crescendo of booing could greet the world. Believe me; real time pictures are beamed around the world and into homes devoid of bias. Curiosity of the paradox, that would be the huddle apparently booed; and the Celtic support showing their collective back to authority, would raise authentic searching, questions in, impartial countries.
Around the globe the questions asked would demand to be answered. If greeted with ignorant silence, then those responsible would be held by the global football fraternity, in total contempt and considered ridicule.
In England, in Ireland; in the USA, in Canada, in Wales; in Australia; in Spain; in Japan; in China; the Middle East; the Far East; South America too: all around this news hungry globe.
Questions would demand… an answer and silence would demand… an explanation.
Bring the Hypocrisy to the eyes and ears of the world in the simplest, extrovert, show of solidarity, the football world has ever seen. We are, after all, talking about the power of the Green Machine that is the world’s greatest supporters.
Let our home grown commentators explain to the world that it is not in fact the huddle that is being booed but instead the administrative powers, that govern our league that are being called to task and booed in despairing judgement. Our contempt is our refusal to acknowledge your presence. Our collective booing would be our collective indictment of your bias.
You wouldn’t have to be a lover of Gordon Strachan to justify your participation. Your credentials as a Celtic supporter, would implore your inclusion, in a class act conviction of the truly guilty.
Could you imagine the impact of photos that would be syndicated around the world; if for their novelty factor alone?
The pictures would be both stunning and intimidating in equal measures.
Could you imagine how together the players in the huddle would feel?
Can you imagine how intimidating the sight and sound would be to opposition players and officials too?
Let them deal with that.
Or we could simply turn the other cheek and meekly in silence, like poor lost souls, accept our punishment in a non-show of weak, impotent and pathetic obedience.
Oh! That my father, never see the day, I disgraced myself in my indifference.
I shamed myself and what I believe in because I couldn’t climb the mountain of my very own lethargy. My silence is my defence in adversity.
Obedience is the plea of your soul to admit your beliefs and morally and actively defend them.
Anyway, it probably won’t come to that. But for an hour or so I had the most fanciful of protests, stunningly simple bloodless revolts playing through my minds eye.
It was a fearsome picture at that. 60,000 as 1 in defence of 1 against many.
Numbers like that… for sure… it was just a dream. Nice one though.
If however, their stupidity rules the day. All of the above I would reinvoke.
For every week he spends in the stands, is a week our team is denied a level playing field, for which all our oppositions would surely be grateful.
For every week he spends in the stands, is a week we as a support are denied the immediate influence of our manager.
For every week he spends in the stands, it would be just one more slap in the face and a public display of contempt for us and our great club by those who mean us most harm.
Gordon Strahan might flippantly shrug it off. Inside he will be raging. Celtic as a club might keep a gentlemanly silence. But I hope, they finally show the courage of all our convictions, and come hell or high water, they stand by their appointed and my, if not your, anointed manager.
He is one of us. He might not have been three years ago but any fool can see… he is now… one of us. He publicly delights in his position of Celtic manager.
I can’t speak for anybody else but I was born into the Celtic Family, I was confirmed into the Celtic Family with over forty years of resolute support I’ve earned my anorak.
And I extend my personal acceptance of Gordon Strachan, warts an’ aw, as one us. Whether it means ought, to anybody else, or not. I would gladly stand in a bar and argue, debate, talk Celtic with the wee man, any day of the week.
I saw the intensity on his face every time the cameras panned onto him.
I saw the pain and hurt on his face every time something obviously didn’t go right.
I saw the passion for our club animated in smiles of joy and scowls of animosity.
He is Scott Brown only twenty odd years his senior.
I saw the affection he has for his players, his staff, and the clubs supporters.
I saw a man with integrity, devoid of pretence or self-serving chameleonic acts, go to the support of one of his staff, to deny an agitated sheep dip sniffer monopoly in abuse.
I saw a man who cared every bit as Martin O’Neil cared and he didn’t come pre-ordained. His affection is DIY and home grown but it is transparently sincere for all that. It is not, is not an act.
The stresses are ageing him daily.
Yet still some say he is not one of us… Well… if that is the case you losers… neither am I.
What price a friend who’ll shake my hand and clasp my shoulder when adversity is at my door?
That, my friend, is my friend.
Not false of promise and loud of mouth.
Simple in a demonstration of kinship and acceptance..
I’d shake your hand Gordon Strachan.
I’d shake your hand before I’d shake many another’s hand.
In case some of you haven’t noticed. Gordon Strachan does not wear the suit of non allegiance that so many charlatan managers of other clubs do.
No… in case you haven’t noticed, he chooses to wear our clubs crest on his chest, in a very public display of where his heart now lies. That crest and all its tribulations are so painfully, obviously, reflected in his face. He is carrying a lot of weight.
Are you the charlatan supporter? The good guy die for Celtic kinda guy?
Go on, take a look at yourself in the mirror… go on... put the strip on… look yourself in the mirror and ask yourself this question.
Do I care as much as he cares?
If I saw a Celtic supporter in trouble, any Celtic supporter, I’d hope and pray that I would have the courage and grace to go to his aid. I sincerely hope I’d do so.
Being a supporter means a lot more than being a mouth in my eyes.
But then it won’t come to that. They’ll see sense. Won’t they?
Me I’ve had enough of them.
If it comes to pass then I want to do something. I’ve had too many years of turning the other cheek.
If it comes to pass then I want to do something in protest. Apathy… I’ll leave to others. I’m not very good at dispassion.
But then as I said, I’m a wee bit paranoid and I’m as usual over reacting to the presupposed. They haven’t got the bottle to make it happen. Probably the stupidity, that is quite apparent, but not the bottle.
Just ask yourself two last questions…
If the worst happens, will I be bothered?
If the worst happens, will I be counted among the support of my club? Or will just be one of the talkers?
But then I over react to the presupposed.
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Tbis is obviously excellent news, and a significant milestone on the club's financial journey to rude health. Huge credit must go to Peter Lawell for managing this process, and to WGS for implementing the football goals, while accomodating the financial necessities.
Regarding WGS' probable ban. I think that we need to be careful that our protest can't be twisted into a protest at the club. you know that they will if they can. "Celts fans turn back on club as signing spree dries up!" Does anyone else gain comfort from having TB there if WGS is ill / banned. I love having him around, I also think this celtic team plays football after his own heart, he must love coaching them.
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£2M loss is pretty good, as it will be the same for all as everyone gets their main income in the first 6 months i.e. season tickets, euro money etc
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Kitalba:
Great post and worth missing two hours of sleep for.
I totally agree with your sentiments and the feelings you show as a Celtic supporter make me even more convinced that I am not alone in feeling that to support Celtic is unlike supporting any other club the world over.
We are more than a football club club! we have that extra something that others could only dream about.
Now more than ever we need to stick together and stand against injustices against us.
It was there for all to see how much our club means to WGS and even if he is not the favorite of some people we should get behind him as one.
PS. I think the myth that Celtic fans do not like WGS is just that, a myth kept going and made to grow by a media looking for any excuse to condemn us.
Hail Hail
TNBC
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Great news Paul,
Brilliant bhoys,
One Gordon Strachan...
Right thats the recent stuff out of the way,
McGraininspain,
Can you fill me in on the details of Celtic being shown on Spanish
TV.
Was it a one-off etc,
Why? Are we really that interesting to the spaniards given that Scottish football is not looked upon as being glamorous in Europe.
(from my experience in conversation )
Are they just showing our games or is it a weekly feature on the SPL?
Sorry if you have posted this already
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Kitalba,
Good post.I don't think that any Celtic supporter could disagree with your sentiments.
However, your suggestion of a mass booing during the Huddle sounds like a massive own goal to me. That's the opposition supporters job.
The best form of protest is the Celtic Way.
Stick the ball in the back of the net and keep doing it more than our opponents and you will find that we will clean up on the trophies on offer.
They will not like it.
As in any struggle with Establishments, those who control the media, win the propaganda war.
Therefore, any visible protest attempted can be spun against us.
By song and by chant, especially in support of our manager, will carry more weight than booing at the Huddle.
We Shall Overcome.
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Kitalba -
Bang on.
I believe that Gordon Strachan is now being targetted by haters of our club, both in the stands and in the establishment, in much the same way that Neil Lennon was before him.
The neds in the crowd subject him and his staff to a shower of abuse. Then when he rightly refuses to stand idly by and take it, the "officials" and the SFA step in.
They are attemptingto drive a wedge between the Celtic Support and the Celtic Manager - AND THEY MUST NOT BE ALLOWED TO SUCCEED.
We can react in two ways to this sustained attack. Either stand idly by and take it, or close ranks and show them that it only knits us together and makes us stronger.
Me, I favour the same option as yourself.
As regards how to express this, there might be various alternatives. The "booing during the huddle" plan is, as you note, open to being misconstrued. If we were to take such an option, it would have to be coupled with something else, some means of showing our passionate support for our manager.
I would also like to see the players speak out on the matter.
In any case, we will have a clearer view of the whole picture after any disciplinary hearing...
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Paul,
As expected, this looks fantastic and a great well done to all involved, especially our board and CEO.
From a cursory glance I see that our retail side was down a million, which seems significant. Is there a story behind this or have we reached saturation point amongst our support on this side of the operations ?
Finally, as per your earlier response to me on our incomings and outgoings. Is Mr Lawell ready to make his move now we have reached the end of August (-ish) ???
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PS.
I bet Gordon Strachan's "case" will be heard before the Caledonian Male Voice Choir recital is dealt with.
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Kitalba
Passionate !
I agree with all you have said but I would suggest instead of booing the huddle which will be brushed off by the media and turned against us - maybe somthing like a mass ripping up of red cards could be organised ?
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Or,
How about a "STAND Up For the Manager"
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how about 60,000 red paper aeroplanes thrown onto the pitch at half time?
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And / or...
Big white sheets and paint brushes at the ready -
Gordon Strachan, Celtic Manager
YOU'LL NEVER WALK ALONE
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Aren't we ahead of ourselves on two fronts here?
1. The referee had no option but to send off WGS, he came over and was advised by John Underhand to do so. John Underneathcontempt however has to take a look at himself. There was intense discussion on the track, nothing aggressive and then the finger pointing from above started and a policeman got involved. WGS got involved because it was an official and a policeman, this was not a rash challenging of a fan, he had every right to get involved.
John Underbelly however decides in an instant (even though he did not see or hear the start of the incident as he was still talking to others on the track) that as WGS has climbed onto the lower fence that he has lost it, looks around with a show of indignance and very demonstrably indicates that WGS has gone off on one. This was simply not the case. It was an act of shameful ignorance on the part of Underclass.
Now apparently Underminingweerunt is WGS defence at the hearing!!?? Sounds like the beaks have reviewed what actually happened and are scurrying for a way out.
So surely only when we hear the outcome can we start talking about shows of support and demonstrations etc. We've seen much worse in the past.
2. Why is anyone having a go at Gary Pendrey without decent evidence? If he held up two fingers in one hand and one on the other that was clearly "2-1" gesture. Maybe ill advised but come on, hardly actionable. If it was just two fingers on one hand then yes, to camouflage it as an indication of the scoreline is stupid, but since there is no evidence yet, as I said, why don't we all start from a position of solidarity? (brother!)
It's all gone a bit OTT as far as I can see, any chance to let it blow over will be grasped by the bumbling morons at Hampden I'd think.
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Consecutive (and that still rankles with me) dodgy away league games safely negotiated.
I'll get to Lodge Specsaver later.
SPOT DUFFIELD
WG
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Duffield may still be cutting out the potatoes so that he can print and send his next good luck message when a Scottish club plays an important away game in Europe next Tuesday.
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Excellent news from the club. Well done to all involved who have managed to turn around the clubs finances while still delivering trophies.
I had forgoten this little story (linked in Paul's finance section):
Murray 'to wipe out debt'
David Murray recently returned as Rangers chairman
Rangers chairman David Murray will next week announce plans to completely wipe out the club's debt within a year.
Last week, Murray announced plans for a £57m share issue, to which he will contribute £50m.
But while Rangers are expected to announce an increase in their debt to £72m next week, Murray aims to eliminate that entire amount.
"We can't spend as we did in the past or have continuing losses," said the returning Rangers chairman.
"No football club is generating enough to spend like we used to. It's my intention, in the region of a year, to eliminate debt totally," he added.
Of the share issue, he said: "I'm not demanding or expecting any of the ordinary shareholders to take them up - they already offer the club a lot in buying season tickets.
"But I intend to take up £50m and I've spoken to some large players involved and hopefully it will all be taken up."
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That was in June 2004. Well....here we are 3 years later and guess what their debt is 16.5M.
So much for the moonbeams.....how these liars get away with pulling to wool over the eyes of their fans and the Scottish media is beyond me. Why does no one pull Sir Moonbeams up over his consistant lies.
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What about Gordon Strachan makes a complaint to the police the next time someone subjects him to a level of abuse that would be an arrestable offence if done in the High Street, and insists that action be taken against the shouters?
There's this odd notion that because you've paid to get into a football ground you can shout what you like for as long as you like. Time to put a stop to it. At whatever ground it happens.
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Big Wavy, last season we did not release a new home strip, which I assume accounts for the drop in retail sales.
I expect this will recover this season.
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WG
I agree re the fixtures, but am delirious that noses, and more than I could have imagined this early in the season, have been firmly rubbed in it.
My brother-in-law's job has taken him many times to both Galsgow team's hospitality. But he relates a story from the past regarding John Greig (Heid Host) getting up and giving a wee speech before Derby games the end went something like this - If you support the other team and they score could you keep your celebrations to a minimum and remember where you are -
Am awaiting this to become a new tenet of Scottish football...
TANNOY ANYWHERE - Could I remind all Celtic supporters that in the event of their team scoring could they refrain from any show of positive emotion, as it can offend. And could I take this opportunity to extend this warning to the coaching staff and players of Celtic Football Club.
Couldn't happen...
U.
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Law is not justice: Justice is law. He who best argues… will receive justice within the law.
My perspective. Your Choice.
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Duffield my be on a well-earned sabbatical. He's been run off his feet since undertaking his new job. I started a Duffield Watch campaign based on his utterings and actions and I think I got to Number Six. I can hardly keep track.
However now that he's in Zecharia mode, could someone please furnish him with sand and a bespittled finger. I'd love to read his salient points on recent controversies.
Make your stay short, Duffer.
WhitewashGemmell
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Uly -
how could anyone find themselves in Megiddo and not know where (s)he was ?
All senses are under attack from alien forces.
John Greig, anti-Host.
WG
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paul67
hopefully the new strip sales will cover the money we have not made from trips to poland and japan this year.
also the home CL qualifier against spartak should generate another £1m+
i would not expect this season to be as good as we have spent more money for transfers net, at this moment also have a much higher wage bill
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El-Hadji Diouf has revealed he wants to leave Bolton for a club with Champions League ambitions - but also insists the Trotters are over-valuing him at £10million.
The Senegal international claimed Tottenham, Celtic and French champions Lyon have all made bids, as have two other clubs
not what we need, i don't remeber this man endearing himself to the support at CP when he spat on someone
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Did anyone else notice that, if we end up in the same group as AC Milan, 4 out of our 6 CL group games will be followed by away games in the SPL.
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antsman
Should we tell him Spurs are not in the CL ?
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Antsman,
This sounds awfully like one of these 'agent speaks' statements. He quite clearly sees a season of dread ahead of him at Bolton under Sammy and wants out double quick.
On his day not a bad player but just don't think we will / should go anywhere near the over-inflated EPL for value. Makes no sense and for £10 million.....noo, no and thrice no.
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Sir Paul
Cock-a-Hoops!
A Headline to live by!
There is truth in breviteeeeeee!
Paul,pal... ye done good, kid!
Three Years,ago.... ye took on that carping crowd,known to the cognoscenti, as The Misguided Ones...... or The Celtic Board Haters, Inc... as known to the Peneral Gublic!( Strong language?.....ed)(No really!... but, I guess you had to've bin there!)
You and Fargo, stood against them... toe to toe...
And guess, what?
You have been thoroughly and completely vindicated..
You, my good buddy...
Started a Brand noo TREND IN CELTICA.....
Not the usual common or back-garden Celtic Fan Site...
No... what you started was something blinking unique...
A Celtic Site, Dedicated to EDUCATING THE CELTIC FOLLOWING, TO THE FOLLOWING FACTS( O' LIFE!)
Money! Money! Money!
My favourite truncated Financial aphorism...
"NO TICKEE..... NO LAUNDRY!
Lookee, here..
You have blazed the trail.
Your subscribers, who are growing in number, are also growing in Financial Acumen... because of your financial teachings....
The Last Three years,pal...have been quite a revelation.....
TO SOME! TO SOME!
Now Celtic, have gone from a Financially Ailing Company.... to a Financially Sound one.
We now have a Youth Academy in Place...which is second to none, in the business..
AND ALL BOUGHT AND PAID FOR!!...
Not, too shabby!
To all the former Doubters.... out there?
DO YOU HEAR ME!
This Celtic Board, plus Pierre..will be talked about around the campfires of the future... as the Great Innovators.
And because of dedicated and far-seeing gentlemen, such as these....(And, Dinnae forget... Captain Canada... FERGUS THE FANTASTIC!....ed)( I am glad that you threw that one in, pal...you got that one right!)
Celtic will continue to go from Financial Strength to Strength way into the future!
As Benny Franklin... Didnae say!
"LOOK AFTER THE POUNDS.....
And Tae Heck, wi' the PENNIES!"
Brian Quinn?
What can I say!
So I'll no say anything!
Kojo.
Who is proud tae have known ye....
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Paul67,
Our accounts make good reading. Any sign of the full Rangers accounts with notes? I understand their AGM is next week - do they have to have these details published before then? Wonder if this press will enquire about this as well as the date they will get another punishment for their sectariam signing....Smoke and Mirrors
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I see the National broadcaster via their internet service makes no metion whatsoever of Celtic present financial position.
More evidence if any is needed to ignore any positive facts produced by Celtic FC.
Why do we pay money via or licenses for this lot.
Contrast this reporting with them if the situation was reversed.
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The Hat
I noticed that I had a mention, in your last submission, regarding me, having the effrontary to object to the so-so displays, that have been lately, served up by Mr. Donati....
I did mention that Mr. Donati was under the gun, by not only YOURS TRULY....
But... But...But..Also... by the inimitable, Mr. Strachan, as well!....
Who has shown, by withdrawing Massimo... in a couple of recent games...
THAT HE IS LOSING PATIENCE... and is telling Mr. Donati..
To Get his act together... And remember... he....MR. Donati...that he
Is no longer in Pretoria!...
He is Now in the Big Time!
On Sunday.....
Mr. DONATI got the Message...
Hip! Hip! Hooray!
I notice that Mr. Donati, confirmed my thoughts on the matter...
When he admitted... apres, the match...
"I was scared that I would be withdrawn once again...
And, Paul Hartley would be brought on!" ( paraphrased...but esssential as to what he admitted!)
So ye see, Pal...
I dae know a wee bit aboot Men!
Nobody, likes to be in the bad books of the Boss....
EVEN, SOCCER PLAYERS!
Now that Mr. Donati, has got the picture...
I expect that he will make sure that he keeps on Truckin', like he should, and, more importantly... Like he is EXPECTED !!
In my book, I have no time for amateurs...
A Professional receives, accolades when he earns it....
It is not written anywhere, that he should not be subject to Castigation, jist like the Hoi Poloi!
So put all of this information in your pipe.. and Smoke it...
But.... take my advice....
Nevah.....Inhale!
Kojo
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Paul67
The finances are looking in good order.
Let the sustainable development continue.
On the last thread I asked if there was a change of heart in the manager and boardroom about KM's future. Your previous posts had indicated that he was for the off probably this month.
I think there may be parallels with the manager's first season when it looked like Shaun Maloney may have been off before a few games showed his worth to the team. Maybe Kenny has now done so and may go on to have a season similar to Shaun that season.
A goal similar to Shaun's against Ran666ers would be nice.
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Paul are wage costs of arounf 48% not high?
Are we looking at moving Riordon on?
Personnaly I would take what we can get for him, Gravesen,Zurawski,Jarosik,Balde,Pressley and Miller.
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My dear friend, Steelica...
Of course, Mr. Ken ...
Is NOT FOR THE OFF!
No way, Giuseppe!
Mr. Strachan and the Celtic Admin.. may be inscrutable in their thinking, at times....at times..
But.... Believe me!
THEY ARE NO MUGS!
Kenny is welcome to stay... MOST, WELCOME, I will add.
He is now Cookin' Wit' Gas!
So.... What's not to like?
Na....
Kenny is noo...
OOR DARLIN'!
Whatta a guy!
We luv him!
Kojo.
yer, pal....for ever.
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can we run a book on the time of the first "debt nutter " comment from our mad mineshafter amigo.....
...i'm going for 20.35 tonight....although he probably has to look harder than usual for bad news in these accounts...
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lostrambling - can't remember where I read it - may have been an accountants report on the state of football or something like that - but I think they suggested a figure between 52-56% of turnover for wages was reasonable (bear in mind Hearts' was 97% for last season!).
I would think that of the BIG clubs in the UK we have one of the lowest ratio's for last season.
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Kojo, thank you for your kind words, please pass my regards to the boss. Remember those dark days of 2004? You bet I do.
The financial debate has matured immeasurably since then, from “where did all the Seville money go”, a pervasive sugar-daddy syndrome, and (inexplicably) the policies of Zsa Zsa being held up by Celtic fans as an example of good stewardship, to an acceptance of the stark truth:
1. Celtic invested in football operations to the highest extent of reason, so much so they lost money for seven consecutive years.
2. This policy was fruitful. The club are now streets ahead of all Scottish competition, and over-achieved practically all of the expectations of their past critics.
On Brian Quinn; his involvement in our pre-eminence is considerable.
McManus69, no sign yet.
Steeelica, I don’t know if there has been a change of heart on KM.
Lostrambling, 48% of turnover is as low as wages have been in many years, and well within sustainability.
What else are we going to spend the money on, Brasso?
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My dear Friend... Lost Ramblin'
In my Biz......
Eighty Five per cent to cover expenses, is fine an' dandy!
If we walk away with a Fifteen Percenter....then we are happy as Billy Bunter in a 1930's, Tuck Shoppe!( Penny Paris Buns?... dye, remember? .... I don't of course, poisonally speakin'....but, I am only repeating, what I have bin told!)
Kojo.
Yer Pal for good.
Kojo.
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Completely off topic.
If I bought a Nintendo DS in the USA and brought it home - could i then buy UK games and play them on my "foreign" console.
I know there are guys on here commuting and i thought i'd ask.
thanks in advance for any feedback.
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dessy boy
There is a story on the bbc about it. It's been up since 16.15.
If you'd prefer to leave your football coverage to commercial organisations like STV ( yeah, Scotsport was great )or the Daily Record, then go ahead.
The bbcs not perfect ( I give you, Chick Young ) but I'm so tired of Celtic fans whinging on about conspiracies that don't exist.
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Brasso...
ever the wag Mr 67.
me laughing at that one.
u.
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Ah wonder if Celtic's financial acumen will be compared with Rangers or does comparision only happen to implicate Celtic by association.
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Sir Paul
Will be happy to pass on your regards to the proper authoriteee!
He is in the U.K. at the moment, with Diane... Diane?.... yes, Diane.. she is quite the woild traveller... a school gal, no more.... ah! Kids!
Kojo.
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St-Gris..I am no Nintendo DS expert, but I believe the answer is yes you can.
My understanding is that the issue lies with consoles that connect to the TV....these are designed for the different outputs in the different markets. I do not believe that this is the case with the DS.....but I would take it into a store and just give it a try.
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hanif uno dahistri ull alsono da persecution o the Celts ova miny a year - expect more of the same this term from Lodge Specsaver and Mason Media.
They're on the offensive and are coming at us from every conceivable angle. There's too much at stake this time round the merry-go-round.
Ludicrous decisions all round at the dungheap yesterday.
Charlie Rich - Cheat
Jon Bon Underhillbilly - Cheat
A Flock of (Dying) Seagulls Masquearding as Aberdeen Players - Cheats.
And we've still to have the pleasure of KC and The Hunshine Band and Brother Dougal of This Parish.
Brother Taylor - Their Man in Havana (laugh)
Meanwhile Duffield waits like Norman Bates' poor wee mammy - is he him, her or both ? What to do, what to do ?
No--or-maaaaan
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barcabhoy
Oh ye of little faith, your wish will be answered later on tonight once I have finished my Monday shift.
I am currently trying to finesse a few mix rates to try and sort out some issues as we go towards F/PESO compliance on my latest project. The usual nonsense but it pays the bills.
Consequently the detail will have to wait but as usual the accounts make interesting reading. The one question I do have is why were this season's new players brought in under last year's accounts?
Are the board too embarrassed to show that we would have been cash positive if the usual signing conventions had been stuck too, that is the 1st July for the big announcement?
Or was it a case of use it or lose it with the board, the budget for last year whether it was £5mill or 7mill was time limited and if it hadn't have been spent that was it. Speculation of course but you have wonder why? Something amiss somewhere.
The one thing that has come to the fore over the past week has been the background noise from official and unofficial club channels that we will try and tough this year out with our current squad which means no net spend in 2007/08.
Given the state of our defence and the support's aspirations that is some gamble.
But as noted previously we really do have a "debt nutter" in our midst who, when it comes to nightmares over "black" days in his career has more problems with Wednesday than Sunday.
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In his post-match comments yesterday Tommy Burns said he expected Kenny Miller to score a stack of goals for Celtic this season. It would, therefore, seem KM remains in G40, Land of Heart's Desire.
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Celtic to be investigated for sectarian chants and singing by the SPL according to Scotland Today. One fan arrested for this offence at Pittodrie!!!!!!
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Winy me.
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WG,
I'm a bit lost and not sure what your on about.
rangers are still the establishment club, thats true.
But I don't buy into the theory that there are men in blazers sitting around in media institutions in this country plotting how to annoy Celtic. For a start, they'd not sell papers / attract viewers.
Some journos are huns. Some are Tims. Some are neither. Most are really busy and have no time to plot.
Everybody just relax.
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as in
Wizny Me.
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hanif -
you have the right to your opinion. I totally disagree.
WG
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Cue Duffield tomorrow, like a post-hibernated tortoise ?
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Mitch, you do post some tosh.
I have never....ever....heard of a company spending money before their financial year end just to make the numbers look worse. FFS you have to twist everything to find a negative.
You say you have to wonder why....no you dont. We have money and we spent some it...end of story. And we did it without screwing up our finances.
You also said "official and unofficial club channels that we will try and tough this year out with our current squad which means no net spend in 2007/08."
Ignoring "unofficial" as that means nothing...what official ones are you talking about? Everything I have seen from those in positions of power states we are continuing to pursue targets.
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Rob Styles has held his hand up to his error on Sunday in awarding Chelsea a penalty, and been suspended.
What will happen to our officials at Aberdeen?
'GG who still doesn't understand the red card.
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Oh how the Scottish media are choking for us to be dragged down to the level of the Rangers support.
I thought Mr Bardwaj on STV was going to get overcome with emulsion when he was telling the country that a Celtic fan had been arrested for a sectarian offence at Aberdeen. Obviously this must have happened inside the ground & he was a one man band of Provo medleys!!!
Strange how Peter Lawwell was praising the support on the official club website today.
Get it right up them,the sad bunch of self righteous bar stewards they are.
Scotland.One country.One rule for that lot.One rule for the rest.
Hail Hail
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St Gris
I'm no expert, but I did it the opposite way. I bought games in NY to play here and all is good. I think they're standardised.
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At 20/08/07 18:26, andycolo said…
Celtic to be investigated for sectarian chants and singing by the SPL according to Scotland Today. One fan arrested for this offence at Pittodrie!!!!!!
IF we did have fans singing it....we deserve the punishment...same as the other lot.
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Jonny Mac
Let me introduce to "spending calenderisation" a financial game played by all organisations great and small to make sure the figures fit with company policy or the narrative being put across by the board.
Delay in spending the SP (+ RW / SV) transfer fee of £7mill+ would have led to a cash surplus on the books and that is not the story the board want to tell at the moment.
Also I wonder if you could help with the interesting provision that has appeared in the accounts:
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£2.66m (2006: £0.40m) in
respect of a provision for impairment of intangible fixed assets.
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Anybody got any background on this?
I would appreciate if "Negative Anon" would comment on this.
He has some history on these interesting morsels that appear in our accounts from time to time.
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Jonny Mac
On the second point the official outlet for this viewpoint was WGS being quoted in the weekend papers.
Just thought you would like to know.
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Jimmy Calderwood on GS:
'hopefully he doesn't get suspended or anything silly like that.'
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Johnny Mac
If there is a man who did what the media are saying,then some other fans will also know this guy.They should give him a good kick in the ba.. backside!
We all know that it only takes one idiot to tarnish our reputation.A ban from watching Celtic should teach him a lesson.
This is only if he is GUILTY, but then again this is Scotland so he`ll be up for a hanging before his lawyer can speak to him.
Hail Hail
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Johnny Mac
One guy allegedly sings a sectarian song and he gets lifted. If the allegation turns out to be true, the club bans him for life.
That's the deal.
You cannot start taking three points away for what one guy did. There is a world of difference between this, if it's true, and Inverness.
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Is it possible that the Celtic fan who was identified as being guilty of a "sectarian offence"
was identified by fans in the Celtic end of the ground?
Could this possibly be overlooked and just disregarded by the media, because it would not fit their agenda?
'GG
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The Celtic support was magnificent yesterday. I bet one person singing a sectarian add-on to a song, if it's true, is the lowest total at any football match in Scotland, including the Tayside amateur leagues.
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Guys - I did say fans...not a single fan. Agree if it was only one.
Madmitch - Never saw any such article with WGS saying anything of the sort..must have missed it. What paper was it in?
As for "Impairment of Intangible Assets"...it did not just appear this year.....as for a definition:
Intangible assets are typically expensed according to their respective life expectancy.
Intangible assets have either an identifiable or indefinite useful life. Intangible assets with identifiable useful lives are amortized on a straight-line basis over their economic or legal life, whichever is shorter. Examples of intangible assets with identifiable useful lives include copyrights and patents.
Intangible assets with indefinite useful lives are reassessed each year for impairment. If an impairment has occurred, then a loss must be recognized. An impairment loss is determined by subtracting the asset's fair value from the asset's book/carrying value. This impairment loss may only be reversed under certain circumstances. Trademarks and goodwill are examples of intangible assets with indefinite useful lives.
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Is anyone embarrassed by our manager’s actions yesterday?
Why get involved??
He makes it so easy for his detractors
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We all know that they have been waiting with baited breath for a reason to investigate both sides of the "Old Firm". Let us treat this with ridicule and the contempt it deserves. From an establishment which tolerated a professional club employing a sectarian policy regarding work, to accepting in excess of 40,000 supporters singing sectarian songs and chants on a weekly basis, it only shows the depths of their depravity.
This should be ignored and ridiculed at every level and if Celtic are in any way punished A large march and rally against institutional Bigotry should be arranged.
I despise the petty minded bigoted views that pervade Scottish society and it is incumbent on us to oppose at all levels
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Detractors like you Smelltheglove?
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Paul 67,
Great set of Financials - however at one point you (I think) were expecting turnover to get close to £80m - just wondered if there was anything obvious that caused us to dip a bit below that.
Given our good financial position I wonder if the board will look at increasing the capacity at CP? It has been talked about infrequently over the years since it was rebuilt but either we spend the money on players or something else - and one of the current issues we face is that the EPL clubs are hoovering up any player that can kick a ball never mind anyone who is half decent.
P.S does anyone know when Lennoxtown will be opened?
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Hanif uno dahistri, for over 100 years the Scottish media were silent in the face of the aparthied practised at Ibrox,the Billy Boys anthem provoked no comment other than how fantastic the atmosphere was.eg"the crowd are in full cry" Archie McPherson
ONE Celtic fan is arrested at Aberdeen and it makes Scotland Today.
Level playing field,nobody with agendas,all reporting is dispassionate when did this happen and what prompted the change ?
Hanif could you tell me?
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Kitalba - brilliant articale - WGS is a man who would do no job by half - I believe he has shown for most of his time at CP that he is one of us but the I hope Saturday laid that one to rest once and for all.
I'd love to hear all of CP singing 'Stand up for the Manager' to show once and for all that we are 100% behind him and that the alledged doubters - are Tabloid fiction.
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smelltheglove - 27 hours of posting (or 25 and a half in Spain) and it would appear nobody here is embarrassed by Gordon's actions.
I'm a bit uncomfortable with your actions.
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Hanif
For your consideration
The gers penalty at Hearts a few seasons ago.
The Cadete paperwork affair.
A response to the great Fergus McCann - 'Yes you can use Hampden but on the condition that the Irish flag is not flown there, and the is a dealbreaker Mr McCann.'
Tangibles.
Consider the effects and the implications.
The new (Yet transparent) SFA chief, has been caught on Radio referring to Celtic fans as 'Them'
Consider the implications.
If a man has to remind himself to act impartially he cannot be impartial.
Consider the implications.
Jack McConnell - Sectarianism
Uefa - Racism & acts of sectarianism
Gordon Smith - Cheating in Scottish football.
Can you spot the odd one out.
How many Rangers fans have been arrested for acts of blatant sectarianism?
Our supporter makes the news.
Consider the implications.
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smelltheglove,no most definetely not
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Jonny Mac
Any chance of more analysis and less padding from a finance manual?
Please re-read my earlier post and the detail below.
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