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could it be...?
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Sack Invisible Duffield
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yaass! Get in!
I know this has been asked to death but...we have only one proven(over MORE than 1 season) spl goalscorer in the squad. he's never been given a run in the team at the expense of strikers with embarassing goalscoring records and the only reason put forward by commentators is it's because of his social life and the lack of profesionalism that implies.
i'm not saying he'd be the messiah but COME ON. KM & JVOH had more or less a full season to strike up some sort of fruitful partnership and it just didn't work and the fact we're heading into a supremely important CL qualifier with the same "partnership" is more than a bit worrying.
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Paul67
Yes-and most fans who didnt read their financials probably didnt...as fans we saw something on the pitch that we probably never will again....Larson, sutton and Lennon all in their prime- it was a good period indeed...
Just because I dont think the balance of debt and profit is correct at the moment doesnt mean you have to tell me the leeds scare story if thats what your comment means...
You and the the Board at presnt are risk averse theres no harm in it just dont expect everyone to think thats the best way to go...
Its been a long time since your murrayesque headline of we can spend £20million is it not?
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Paul
I hope that Miller now gets a run of at least 5 games with JVOH
Its the only way to build a partnership.
Miller I rate as an excellent player who can do almost everthing but finish, he is a confidence striker and if he can overcome that mental hurdle, i think he can be a cracking player for us.
I do still think that we are after a top drawer striker though.
Santi Exguerro from Barca is still being linked.
If we can overcome Spatrak, watch this space for a last minute flurry of transfer activity
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Paul
A very encouraging aspect is that in both league games so far, each of the midfield quartet has had good chances to score.
It's the old saying, you can only score when you get yourself into position to score.
Donati gets a lot of credit for the own goal, while, by the way, this fabulous Falkirk midfield everyone's raving about stood and admired his haircut.
Aiden was very unlucky not to score a goal of the season contender. Naka did score.
I hope this is part of the game-plan. That each of these guys has to weigh in with efforts on goal.
Imagine four midfielders with a haul of ten each at the end of the campaign. Great stuff.
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Hurt I am...hurt!
Not only am I ignored but I post a well thought out piece and the thread changes.
Well if you scrolled past the last time, you are going to have to do it again. Yaboo sucks.
FROM LAST THREAD
Horses for courses. I have no doubt we will set differently on Wednesday. e.g Aiden in the hole a la Milan? BTW did anyone else tink that Aiden McGeady has re-discovered a couple of yards of twitch muscle pace.
Impressed I was at his penetration!
Watching game again just now! Could have been 6-2. That would have been nice!
I did have one big negative mind you, but I won't bother posting it as there is enough misery on the blog and since the Spartak Coach has it all in hand there seems no reason to state the 'bleedin' obvious.
As for the lack of goals, we seem to want to walk the ball into the net. Last season we had the highest percentage of goals scored from shots taken of anyteam in the known universe! well we did in March. I never checked after that!
We need more shooting.
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Or five, if you count Hartley.
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Same starting 11 from the Falkirk game on Wednesday for me, but with the drive and determination of the second half only please. :o)
Miller and Brown to score!
Mon the hoops.
/Bishop B
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to all those commenting on "if we play like that against spartak..."
The league game before san siro, did we play the same way?
Exactly, of course there will be a different approach, style, personnel to a league game against falkirk than an away champs league qualifier.
And as for any comparisons to rangers previous opponents zeta. Dont mean to be rude about them but they were a very limited team, they may have looked ok on the ball but i did not see one incisive bit of play from them, nothing, they had loads of possession about 30 yards from their own goal but what else? again nothing.
if only we were playing a team of a similar quality, we could send over the u19s and concentrate on pitodrie.
Unfortunately we have what looks on paper the trickiest tie we could have had.
Who here wouldnt accept the same 90 minutes performance and result as san siro? A performance and result that will bear no resemblence to that at the WEstfield stadium, other than the fact that the team has gained a lot of confidence from it.
Seems to be a lot of talk of falkirk doing well for an hour, think thats generous personally.
Does anyone have a stat on possession, shots, corners for second half? Think that would disprove a few misconceptions out there.
And if every game is as good as saturdays (with +ve results) from now til end of the season i will be an extremely happy season ticket holder.
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3inarow
We beat Dunfermline 2-1 at home. The scoreline was close but we should have won by far more. Chance after chance was missed. AM and LN were outstanding. KM and JVOH were scorers. Dunfermline scored near the end.
System against Milan was completely different and the performance if not the result was almost flawless. Remember the Naka penalty claim, the Jiri penalty claim and the one pass from Evander on the edge of their box when we had them on the backfoot.
Come on Celtic give me one more night like that to look forward to.
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Paul67:
Hate to nitpick, but you said in your blog that two strikers scored only once in the same game. Now looking through our match archives last season, it seems we actually did it seven times. Twice in the cup, and five times in the league.
For one of them, I am not sure if Riordan was playing left midfield or as a striker, but on the other side of the coin I did not count any with Jarosik, even though he played up front in a good few games. Here is the list anyways.
26/08/2006 SPL Hibernian 2-1 (Zurawski, JVOH)
19/09/2006 SPL St. Mirren 2-0 (Beattie, Zurawski)
06/01/2007 Scottish Cup 4-0 Dumbarton(Zurawski (2), JVOH, Riordan)
20/01/2007 SPL St. Mirren 5-1 (JVOH (3), Miller)
28/01/2007 SPL Inverness CT 2-1 (Riordan, JVOH)
04/02/2007 Scottish Cup Livingston 4-1 (Riordan (2), JVOH)
03/03/2007 SPL Dunfermline Athletic 2-1 (Miller, JVOH)
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3inarow
Basically it was 45 to 55 for possession us being the 55.
Basically it was 5 attempts on goal to 15 us being the 15
These are my own stats and I was in and out of the room a couple of times as I was compiling them so they may not tell a truly accurate story.
But to be honest stats are stats are stats. Interesting to some but he only one that matters is my final one.
Basically 1 goal to 4 goals us being the 4.
109Steps.
Reason it may appear that you are being ignored is probably because most agree with you and might even have posted so. Aiden did look good and a tricky surface too. Again all credit to Falkirk, there have been teams in the past that would have resorted to the most basic of tactics in stoping him. Falkirk didn’t.
So glad wee Miller scored but had Aidens gone in… well… what would we be saying today?
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ballwinningcentrehalf, (Previous thread)
Thanks for taking the time to reply.
There are many forms of European football. But the common denominator is patience when on the ball. This Celtic Team is remarkably patient with and without the ball. This is a european trait with which we have had some success against european opposition last season. Whilst we look fragile at the back , the balance sheet says one goal conceded in two games. Whilst we look fragile in the forward line the fact is we're 4 goals up after 2 games. We can iron the look of fragility out.
Things are moving along.
For all Falkirk's industry and passing pretty football , they had 3 shots on target and 3 off target and had 36% of the ball. Compare this to 9 shots on target and 9 offtarget for Celtic with 64% of the ball. Pretty football dosent win things in the professional game. Outpassed we certainly were not and creation up front has shown a remarkable improvement inside a week. In short we outplayed them when it mattered , moved up gears gradually. Plus points you'd agree.
Whilst we have differing opinions on the ins and outs of European styles you give yourself away slightly in a later post saying you'd prefer a more direct style of play. On the European stage the more direct caviler approach usually gets punished. You site the perfect example in Seville , our direct approach may have got us there but our direct approach couldn't win it for us. Personally I think we left the old "Scottish way" with the ghosts of Black Sunday(sorry martin) and Artmedia. I agree a mix of the two styles could help us in some situations but our teams belief in their own ability to play their way out of trouble is fantastic.
On the Moscow scout piece , I find this quite amusing as I'm sure the Russians English was as good as our Russian. ;-)
The Russian scout will not give anything away and a bit of eastern European bravado is on show added in with a little of Record journo Craig Swan's journalistic license to dress up a story. In the piece they dismiss Donati , as fat , unimportant. Nothing like giving the players a little extra incentive eh ? The scout does mention however which is quite interesting that Donati is always in the right positions and is tactically aware which suggests they haven't dismissed Donati at all , In fact I'd say he's been bookmarked along with the rest of our midfield. From the sound of the Alleged "spy" the midfield is giving him concern. Dont kid yourself in thinking that Spartak are not worried about us , They will fear coming to CP.
Then again would you trust facts from the Daily Record , Craig Swan , and a russian spy called Dmitri ?
In short the "Scottish way" in the most , fails in my opinion. I'm sick of glorious failure. No more hump it in the air and run after it. Kick all and sundry. Leave those styles to dinosaurs like Walter and Ally. Get the ball down and pass it on the deck.
I say we come back and discuss this again after say 10-12 games in. Our New look side is only in its infancy particularly the midfield. With more new additions to arrive we shouldn't cast judgment this early.
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Winningemmell, Duffield is indeed invisible.
Aviewfrom, I never mentioned Leeds, or any other club.
This board have increased debt, not reduced it, ran at a loss for seven consecutive years before making a profit last year (I hope). It seems a tad opportunist to lampoon them as running a debt free, profitable club.
Lennondinbo18, I don’t think Miller will get such a run. McDonald will be in ahead of him v soon.
Celtic First, goals from midfield have been missing recently.
3inarow, indeed. Before every European game I look for the “if we play like that in Europe” comment.
Стахановец, I’m away home to check my Celtic View’s. Careless reporting on my part. I did mean to say starting strikers, but I also overlooked on that score.
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Can someone help my memory here?
Did WGS take a sly dig at Duffield somewhere in suggesting his anti-diving crusade was a shot in the foot for Scottish football because it's not a big problem here; there are better campaigns to launch; and it gives a negative picture of Scottish football?
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Paul67
are you of the mind that we may very shortly be parting company with Kenny Millar?
Reading between the lines, that is the impression I get, but I really do hope that, on that, I am wrong.
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Paul 67:
I overlooked you only mentioned league games too. Both cup games had goals by starting strikers, but I had a further look at the league games, two of those five league games goals were scored by starting strikers. The 2-0 game against St. Mirren, and the 2-1 game against Inverness. Sadly, four months apart!
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kitalba, I'm sure there will be others ahead of KM to leave PH, but with his overall performance the other day and the fact that he has not always been first choice may mean he'll be leaving sooner rather than later.
If we were to get £1.5-£2M for him I'm sure it'll e accepted.
/Bishp B
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And while I'm in puzzled mode can someone explain what is going on here?
sectarianism beteen Linfield and Ballymena???
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Len
Some people have accused me of being, 'asset management', biased.
Nothing could be further from the truth. However, I live in the real world and appreciate the need for the money.
I just think that the attitude and effort, Kenny Miller displays deserves... Well desrves more time.
I did notice a look of pleasure when he scored but his celebration was muted. Body language saying something, or me reading between the lines again.
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Kitalba
Kenny's body language was probably more exuberant when the JVoH goal went in.
Maybe he just relieved when he scored.
I know I was.
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Celtic_first
I truely hope you are right. But...
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SFTB @ 13:13
linfield have a number of roman catholics playing for them. sayinf that so do ballymena.
ulster-celt
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Kitalba, I think Kenny might make way for a new face this month.
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Ulster -Celt
It sounds like we're both still puzzled. Could the Ballymena fans be calling the Linfield coach a turncaot for playing more tims than them? How many tims constitute a fig leaf here?
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I think Miller's goal and all-round performance on Saturday will have set him up nicely to be a hero in Moscow.
Then we'll be clamouring to keep him.
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The least amount of pressure on JVOH to score the better player he will be for us.
If more can contribute goals on a regular basis the burden will ease on the big dutchman and we will see the goals start to flow again.
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Is DBBIA about? What happened here and yo uthink the Celtic fans are harsh what baout this for a decision...even though I backed them I did nto think it was this bad.
Carlisle
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Kitalba
If you look at Kenny's goal again, you'll see that he started celebrating before the ball came to him. He had to put his arms down to dispatch the ball.
Maybe he thought he'd look a bit of an Advocaat if he celebrated again.
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Paul67
Whilst I am a big fan of Skippy I would have thought that if KM continues to play as he did on Sat and continues to score then what reason to drop him. The Manager described JVOH as his No. 1 and KM as his No.2. Now unless he was meaning he's a wee s%&te then that would mean he is ahead of KM in the pecking order currently.
When asked about Skippy before the Kilmarnock game he did say that it could be a problem for him if the strikers that were able to play started well then they would be difficult to displace.
This will obviously be the managers call but in fairness to KM he hardly deserves to be dropped after Saturday's performance.
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thanks 109 steps, that was exactly my point the dunfermline game on the saturday had nothing to do with game in san siro, similarly westfield stadium game has no bearing on our game in moscow on wednesday evening.
Seems to be quite a lot of doom and gloom about "if we play like that".
Have we been spoiled so in recent years and have relatively so little to moan about that the doom and gloomers now moan about how we may fair in a european game due to a totally different game unrelated in the spl?
I like you share your hope for this tie, we have no right to expect anything from a ridiculously tough tie, but i have high hopes for an exciting season,
c'mon the hoops!!
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Also if it is one up front on Wednesday night.....KM is a no brainer!
KM to harry and close down for 70 mins until replaced by JVOH or Skippy.
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sftb
from the linfield manager
LINFIELD manager David Jeffrey blasted Ballymena United fans who allegedly hurled sectarian abuse
at his team in Saturday's CIS League Cup game at Windsor Park,
In the aftermath of recent events involving Rangers, Jeffrey has called for the club to be sanctioned by the IFA over the incidents.
"I can handle personal abuse, but I am very angry and annoyed at the sectarian chanting that went on," roared Jeffrey.
"There is no club in Irish football that has worked harder than Linfield to stamp out sectarianism.
"But to hear chants of "you are only a team of fenians" coming from the other side of the ground is totally disgusting.
"I thought I was hearing things, but had it confirmed by many of our own fans.
"Linfield Football Club has consumed some harsh criticism, in terms of the new soccer stadium. But the club prides itself in stamping out sectarianism in any shape or form. Rangers have been in the dock recently and are under investigation from UEFA after their supporters were allegedly involved in chanting derogitory remarks about The Pope.
"The abuse from Ballymena fans was probably worse. If the IFA wants to completely eradicate such incidents, clubs must be sanctioned for sectarian abuse," added Jeffrey.
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Ulster-Celt
Thanks for the clarification.
These are indeed strange times we live in. The new fenian-friendly Linfield, indeed.
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Talking about midfielders, I noticed that Wesley Sneijders ( the scourge of Bertie Vogts 6-0 and the new Lubo) has signed for Real Madrid from Ajax for a fee of 27M Euros.
Was there ever a time when Celtic could have signed him?
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Err I meant KM was ahead of Skippy in the pecking order.
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A fine reply big liam, and to be fair not much I can disagree with.
Although I do seem to have given the wrong impression with my comments on playing 'the scottish way'. I should have elaborated at the time but my comment on direct play getting us to Seville was more in response to a comment on it sounding 'Rangers-esque'.
I was thinking more of us setting the tempo early on, and being aggressive without getting on the wrong side of the referee, especially important in European competeition.
I hate sounding negative, as I feel we have a fine team building, but I am worried that if we allow Spartak (and others) to play their pretty passes in midfield they will not only produce the incisive throughballs from the likes of Mozart, but it will be us who become tired and frustrated.
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setting free the bears ,
Linfield and Ballymena are both staunchly Protestant supported clubs but on the pitch its different. Catholics playing for Linfield were subjected to sectarian abuse.
David Jefferies (Linfield Manager) takes no crap when it comes to sectarianism. None whatsoever. To say he does not tolerate it is an understatement. A friend of mine plays for Linfield and is a Celtic fanatic. It was Jefferies who persuaded him to play for them.
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big liam
Your friend and David Jefferies are both brave men to plough that furrow. The forces ranked against this are strong. I will be interested to see what sanctions Ballymena suffer.
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ballwinningcentrehalf ,
I think our tactics will be somewhat different when we play in moscow. Our midfield will be tighter due to an extra man. The most important thing is to get to half time without conceding then we take it from there.
We can hurt Spartak but we need to keep things tight. We must pass the ball well. That is the key to our success.
I PREDICT 0-1 Celtic.
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Exactly, we must pass the ball, which is what we didn't do early on against Falkirk.
I've made it clear it is my opinion that we later dominated the ball because of Falkirk tiring, but I doubt the same will happen in Moscow, which is why it is so, so vital that we start well and do our upmost to find our tempo; whether that be to stifle the opposition or attack them.
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Off subject but I see Betis may be in for TG.
Real Betis Moving For Gravesen
Reports from Spain suggest that Real Betis are keen to hand Thomas Gravesen a return to La Liga.
zoom - galleria Gravesen had a short stint in Spain with Real Madrid, joining from Everton but packing his bags for Celtic after just six months at the Bernabeu.
A couple of feisty confrontations with his team-mates, whom he accused of not working hard enough for the team, hardly helped his cause.
When he clashed with Robinho last summer, Capello had seen enough, and decided to send him packing.
He has since been back in the UK with Celtic, but latest reports suggest that Real Betis coach Hector Cuper is looking to add the Dane's fiestiness to his team.
He has just signed Leandro Somoza from Villarreal, but wants to add more steel to his midfield. With Celtic demanding a rather modest 3 million euros for him, the move is very much on as far as Betis are concerned.
It is unclear, though, whether the tough-tackling Dane is keen on a return to Spain.
http://www.goal.com/en/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=381232
/Bishop B
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SFTB
Linfields fenian loving sounds less than wholehearted(and to be fair no reason why it should)
It reminds me of a story that Sean Fallon tells.When he was captain he noticed one of the players with his head in hands at half time at an old firm game having endured a lot of attention from the Rangers fans.
He tried to gee the player up only to be met with the reply you should hear what they are calling me.
Sean responded "take no notice ..they call me a Fenian B****sd.The player said "but you are a Fenian b****rd
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Druiddude
I think the player you are mentioning was Bertie Peacock. Fine Northern Ireland and Celtic player and captain. The story I believe is apocryphal.
I believe Bertie sadly passed away last year.
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len
Who is the tough tackling Dane they mention ?
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Actually Bertie died three summers ago. Following two heart attacks after a hip replacement operation at the age of 75.
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Scotland U-21 sqaud just announced. Only 1 'old firm' player in it, could you guess who ?
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Steelica#
Thanks for the response..i could not recall the player (supposedly) involved.
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Danny, lol.. I thought that myself when I first read it, in fact the whole piece sounds like it's about some other player.
Maybe they are trying to get big Marc Rieper out of retirement or something !? ;o)
/Bishop B
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No tickets in Moscow. All are sold out.
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zbyszek
It's an 80,000 plus capacity stadium ?
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I think we are in decent shape for the CL qualifiers. The pressure is on Spartak in this game - they will play (whether they admit it or not) as if they are bound to loose at Celtic Park, therefore they NEED to win on Wednesday. If we score, then we are in with a great shout of progressing.
If Betis pay 3m euro for Tommy G that is great. If we can get similat fees for Jiri and Bobo, then we have some room to but 2/3 or 4 top players if we progress.
Still waiting on
1 Striker
2 Creative MF
3. Full Back (still?)
4. Centre back
5. Appiah (i hope!)
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danny
You're right. Capacity is 80 000 + seats.
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Druidude and Steelica
Just been occasionally browsing the last few days, and noticed in particular your posts above.
I remembered the following and this is quoted from Tom Craig's 'My Search for Celtic John' - his brilliant book on Johnny Thompson which refers to Jimmy's own account in 'A lifetime in Paradise'.
His stature grew among his team mates too. Jimmy McGrory, whose goalscoring feats during Thomson's time at the club were carving his own name on the club's roll of honour, took a particular liking to Johnny. In his book, A Lifetime in Paradise, he shares a few reminiscences which illustrate something of Johnny's humour and artistry. Once in the dressing room Jimmy noticed that Johnny was unusually quiet. He asked him what was troubling him. His young team mate said that he was tired of elements in the crowd calling him a papish b*****d. (Another version of the story uses the word Fenian). McGrory, trying to ease the situation, reminded Johnny that people called him that all the time, only to receive the reply, jocularly put and humorously meant:
"It's all right for you, Jimmy. You are one!"
Unfortunately my copy of Jimmy's book has long disappeared into the long line of mates who borrowed and passed on, but I am pretty sure that this was the original exchange you refer to.
Hail hail
Estadio
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danny
it is limited to 50,000 for CL games I believe.
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I notice a few people saying we need a creative midfielder. Out of curiousity, where are they going to play them. If we stick with a 4-4-2, who are you going to drop? I cannot see Donati, Brown or Nakamura being happy to cool their heels on the bench without good reason, in which case that leaves McGeady, and if we are dropping him, surely we should get another winger instead? I also don't see Gordon being happy to play two out and out flair players, leaving our full-backs and/or central midfield potentially swamped.
I also don't think a centre-back is likely considering we have five players there already, he won't get any more unless someone leaves from that position. Full-back cover would be good, but since we signed Doumbe for a year, that may wait until January or next summer.
Assuming we move people on, A striker may well be our most likely, but I don't think we will sign more than one player before the end of the month.
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I see St. Mirren got the clearance for their Argentinian today two days after playng Rangers. The same as ICT last week.
Just because your paranoid doesn´t meanthey are not out to get you.
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Estadio
thanks for the definative version
... more complete and funnier.Clearly a tale so good that it has grown legs .
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Estadio
My gut feeling is that this story is an urban myth that is attributed to any significant protestant that has played for this great institution. Just because it is undoubtedly funny! It certainly makes a good quip for a book.
It was my father (not a Celtic man) who first told me the story and he aligned it to Bertie.
My only take on it is that I do not believe that either Johnny or Bertie were ever disheartened when they pulled on the hoops but either or both may have made this joke with a team mate as banter between team mates as indeed your quote from the book suggests.
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http://celticunderground.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=393&Itemid=1
I have said on here that "I believe" that Strachan is not a good man manager and I do not think he is right for Celtic going forward. Well this article enforces this opinion. No smoke without fire and all that.
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druiddude, steelica and Estadio,
I reckon that that story is probably as old as Celtic and can fit into any generation of players.
I heard it after a Celtic-Rangers game in the early 60's, I think, when Bobby Jeffries had given Bobby Shearer a first half roasting, only to be found crestfallen at half time and the same dialogue took place.
Incidentally, I bought Jimmy Mc.Grory's book up at Celtic Park when it came out, as a present for my father in law.
As I was heading back to my car, Jimmy came out of the main door and graciously signed a dedication on request.
Such was the man's class, that he acted as if it was a honour for him to so do.
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Steelica
it does sound like one of those things too good not to have been said.
Elementary my dear Watson.
Here I stand i can do no other.
Mr Murray you do not have to make a statement but anything you say may be taken down in evidence and used against you
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bhoy molloy,
So you were right all along.What a guy!
How stupid are we not to have believed you. Keep informing us , O wise One, as we are not worthy.
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bhoy molloy:
I think those are quite possibly the most negative rumours about Celtic I have read for a while! Who needs critics these days eh?
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tom the tim wise up. I never asked you to believe me. I expressed an opinion and to make sure some idiots dont get the wrong end of the stick I put quotes on "I believe"
Ah well!!
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Druiddude
The last one....Oh Please let it be true:-)
Tom the Tim
I concur!
Bhoy Molloy
Just because you have an opinion that is shared by others does not make it fact. "No smoke without fire" - that was Blair's line about WMD.
More like if you repeat a lie often enough.........
You are perfectly entitled to your belief and it would be a dull place if we all agreed on everything. I happen to like our manager...he is certainly not above criticism but as Celtic manager he will get my backing until he vacates the position.
I will not peddle opinion, rumour and the like that can only undermine our club.
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Estadio said...
Steelica,
Totally agree with you on the provenance of Urban Myths and this may be one of them.
However I've usually found that these myths have a basis in perhaps a brightened up reality.
The reason that I am more persuaded by the Jimmy McGrory reference is that it originally appeared in 1978 and would I thought have been read by Bertie et al.
I believe it is also referenced in James E Handley's tome 'the Celtic Story' published in 1960. (I haven't confirmed that one yet as it was just whispered in my ear by another poster on this site.)
By the way, although Jimmy McGrory substantially wrote 'a lifetime in Paradise', the editor was a certain Gerry McNee.
Contrary to his current persona and objectionable stance, GM was a marvellous Celtic Fan and emotive writer.
Apart from being gubbed by big Billy, something else must have twisted the man's mind into the current cesspit that now resides there.
A few times I've approached him in Sharkey's about to ask him, but he is a fairly anti-social character and I have backed off.
Perhaps some others could shed a bit more light on his premature character disintegration!
Even better.
Gerry, if your on here at all, tell us all about it.(could you be ......GerM?)
You will feel a lot better even if we will need some strong disinfectant to cleanse the screen of the lingering stink!
No offence intended of course!
Hail hail
Estadio
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At 13/08/07 15:31, Стахановец said…
bhoy molloy:
I think those are quite possibly the most negative rumours about Celtic I have read for a while! Who needs critics these days eh?
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Log onto the Celtic Underground and give out to them.
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Bhoy_Molloy
Eh!
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read the teletext description of the JVOH goal before I actually saw it. BBC text described it as a tap in rather than a beautifully crafted goal subtely executed by the big Dutchman. Its a petty point but I think worth making.
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steelica
I'm not saying its fact but I believe there is a strong possibility it could be.
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BigLiam and BallPlaying
Enjoyed your discourse. The only thing I would take issue with is any conception of the “Scottish Way” having anything at all to do with a long ball game.
The “Scottish Way” was and always will be with the ball on the deck though I do have some sympathy with the view that short or long it’s the accuracy of the pass that matters. May have borrowed that from any of Bobby Murdoch Pat Crerand or Jim Baxter or was it Willie Fernie or Bobby Collins?
80,000 sell out in Moscow according to Zbyszek. A real test of character for a relatively inexperienced team. Good luck to the bhoys. First test silence the crowd.
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Estadio
I'm Gerry McNee and so is my wife.
Bhoy Malloy
We were talking about this the other day. You said you believed Gordon Strachan was a bad man-manager. I said the only way you could know that would be if he had managed you, which, I accept of course, is a possibility.
You must have managed some people who responded better to the way you wanted to do things than others. I know I have. It doesn't make us bad at our jobs.
You can take a bit of negativity about your abilities from someone you've managed. In my case, two or three people whom I've nudged out of the door would certainly have little good to say about me. Fine. It's part of life.
But if it's someone who has had no direct experience of working with me, what the hell do the they know about my man-management skills?
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Bhoy Malloy
What you mean is that you will gladly seek out any source however ill - founded and poorly connected they may be to support your own jaundiced view.
As awe naw put it so well yesterday we really don't need to worry about the media doing the oppositions work for them when we have Celtic supporters only too happy to do it.
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derbyshirebhoy@15:55
I think the first test should be try not to lose a goal in the first five minutes, that should be a novelty.
Funny story
I was on a charter plane going to Lyon (the game Henrik broke his leg). We were sat on the Tarmac, as the captain announced we were still waiting for a couple of passengers. At last the two passengers come on board, one of which is our very own Duffield. The whole plane burst out laughing and launced into a chorus of "Smith must Score.......". After that, he was mostly left alone, which I thought said a lot for the Celtic Fans on the plane. What the BBC were up to sending Smith on a Celtic fans' charter, I'll never know.
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Estadio
My tenpen'rth.
The same story was repeated on film "The Celtic Story" by Billy Mc Phail. I think at that time he was speaking of Sammy Wilson. Still great tale.
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Kilmarnock have requested to the SPL that if they achieve top 6 status, and Celtic are likely to win the league, the game should not be played at Rugby Park.
The damage caused to the seating is not acceptable irrespective of the fact that Celtic FC pay them recompense.
They further pointed out that the statements made that the damage was not vindictive but an unfortunate by-product of over exuberance, is transparent since no such damage occurs when Celtic win the league at home.
I've just made all that up, but I bet some people were believing it.
Bhoy Malloy
Why do you think that Eddie Pearson is right when the whole point of the article is to give us a laugh, elicit responses, not to inform!
Fortunately the only thing it achieved was 'not to inform'.
It wasn't funny and it received very few responses.
Celtic Underground is going the way of many sites that see themselves at the forefront of some mythical revolution against the reactionary forces at Celtic park.
They are undoubtedly intelligent and articulate, but unfortunately the gems of real substance are drowned beneath the boy crying wolf.
Some of the contributors split from e-tims thinking that they could establish a new order with them at the head of the flying column!
Sadly they are in danger of believing their own propaganda and forgetting the difference between opinion, analysis, facts, and figments of imagination.
They are already blinkered to reality and the danger is that they become totally blind.
That would be sad, but sadder still would be the faith that is put in their 'revelations'.
They are doing Celtic, in its widest sense, no service and that surely is counter to the objective of a Celtic Supporters site.
Now back to my own revelations.
Following Wayne Rooney's metatarsel misery, Man U have contacted Henrik Larsson's agent with a view to a further stint at Old Trafford.
Hail hail
Scoop Estadio
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Paul67,
Add Maloney to that midfield then pace and variety will be awesome.
Did you see Shaun's face on Saturday on the bench?? Bhoy looks so depressed. Sat there with arms folded and just not interested.
Mind looked elsewhere.
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Стахановец, the only two creatives we have are Aiden and Naka. They are both made of titanium, but we need some cover just in case.
Bhoy Molloy, “no smoke without fire”. Do you really believe that?
I hear plenty ill-informed gossip, especially with a slant against Celtic players and staff. I even read so much here that I know to be untrue. Take it from me, there is plenty of smoke without fire when it comes to Celtic.
I can perhaps understand why you have such a poor view of our manager if you have not figured this out.
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From GERALD McNee's wiki page:
Has also written several books including a biography of Celtic Legend Jimmy McGrory as well as an appraisal of the John Wayne movie The Quiet Man. All shooglie leg material for the kitchen table.
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Ottokaiser
I may be opinionated but I hope I tend to the side of 'fairness'.
Gerry McNee's writing in the 70s was excellent and infused with a sparkle of love for Celtic.
His account of the Lisbon armada remains one of the undoubted top funny and nostalgic reads.
Whoever put that entry in Wikpedia is probably neither aware of his earlier stuff nor even accurate with the facts.
I do however agree that his later stuff is risible (sorry Celtic-First and fair spouse!)
Hail hail
Estadio
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Paul67:
If we get cover, I hope it is at least of a higher calibre than Capone!
However, I would much rather if we went down that route, a top class out and out winger to play from the start rather than just back-up to what we have. Naka and McGeady can play either wing or through the centre, so someone with lung-bursting pace and a final ball. But then, what team doesn't?
More importantly, a counter-attacking specialist for those european away ties?
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Paul 67
Go on Lay your cards on the table. Tell us what you know and we don't.
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Estadio - can't say I've read any of GM's Celtic books, I have had the occasional misfortune to read his tabloid columns though and few of them have had anything complimentary about the club - although Mr A Ferguson seems to fair pretty well.
Must admit, the turn of phrase from the WIKI page did raise a smile.
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Bhoy Molloy
You are of course entitled to your opinions on Gordon Strachan's man management skills, or indeed anythign else. You are also entitled to draw the attention of others to a collection of unattributed and highly negative rumours about our manager.
However, when you suggest ("no smoke without fire and all that") that the article lends additional credence to your views, you are exposing yourself to ridicule.
Etims have the grace to label their Rumour Mill for what it is - a highly entertaining load of old tosh, which gets it right about as often as a monkey with a typewriter - which is admittedly still about twice as often as the Laptop Loyal. Are you really so naive as to believe the CU article is something more authoritative, simply because it is telling you what you want to hear?
Psychologists observe that humans are prone to reinforcing their prejudices by searching out and giving undue weight to supporting data (e.g. CU unsubstantiated rumours), while ignoring or understimating the importance of conflicting data (e.g. 4 trophies in 2 years, last 16 of CL, various unsolicited personal testimonials from individual players, etc).
Only by fighting this innate tendency can we hope for our views to correspond with the real world.
Good luck.
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Paul
Dae ye ken Johnny Peel ,wi' his Coat sae Red?...
An' the soond o' his Horn...it'll waken the dead!
Has dat goat any bearin' on whit ah hiv tae say?
No a thing!
It's jist is Cheep Attenshun Grabber,dat a hiv tae say,
Dat ah nonchalantly, an' Non Sequiturly.. carelessly, throw yer way!
Noo ,dat ah goat ye awe Agog...
read dis Noos, dat ah hiv come tae Flog!
Da Rumblin' dat ah heard, ah thocht wiz comin frae ma Belly..
Ah thocht it wiz dat Pastrami Sandwich...
dat ah et... frae da Coarner Deli!
Na, it wiz da Nooz dat de Celts wull lose...an' oot an' oot, guid Striker...
He came in a bleeze o' Glory, dat told us awe dat .....as a Stricker, he wiz Nae Piker!
Unfortunately,he didna get a chance.. fur he wiz ayeways left a
WALLFLOOR, at Da Dance!
Der is a clue dat ah could possibly gie, dat rhymes wi' Ma Auntie Esther,
But ah'll leave it at dat... for in a shoart time, ye'll find ah am nae Jester!
collie.
Tail's Awaggin', Awaggin'
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Ottokaiser
I smiled as well and in fact am in complete agreement with its conclusion as of now.
I have only ever read anything in his columns when pals refer them to me for ammunition and for the purpose of 'know thine enemy'.
Personally I wouldn't use them as toilet paper.
In fact I would be a lot more acid and some time ago wrote a wee ode to Gerry called :
Me and Gerry McNee.
It can be sung to the tune of Me and Bobby McGee.
Here's a link to it:
http://tinyurl.com/youa9s
Hail hail
Estadio
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First time poster, having read the craic on here for a long time.
Don't believe anyone is really in the know about what is happening at Celtic. Most of it is based on educated guesses and comments e.g. Fans don't like Strachans attitude so it is fair to assume that players don't - Let's make a story about that and before you know it these is a story posted on a celtic website that then grows arms and legs.
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Right, Collie, thanks.
Deek to Leicester.
Heard it.
Give us some new news, newshound.
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Kojo:
Auntie Esther...rhymes with Iniesta a wee bit so it does.
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With regards my last post, I don't believe Iniesta is actually coming to Celtic sadly, just making an observation. ;)
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oh naw.
Collie has an auntie Esther whose second name is
Nan whenampoor wipethesink!
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BBC teletext has had the Riordan & Leicester story since Friday.
Teletext & poetry what a combination.
