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Congratulations to NTV.
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NTV
Always necessary for the tedious bus/boat/bus journey home!
Especially back in the bad ole days.
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Any of the soothsayers putting a team in the CQN Fantasy Footie?
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Anybody else think that shipping out JVOH while he still has a resale value might be worth serious consideration?
Might give us the cash to double any money we were offering for Frei.
Sell Riordan to WBA and maybe we could be looking at Naismith as well.
I am personally not convinced that Celtic need a 'big man' in the centre. A requirement for a big target man is often based on the failings of a crap midfield - and we have seriously sorted out our midfield this season.
Sutton was an awful lot more than a big target man - not sure that you could say the same for John Hartson or JVOH.
When I think of our better Celtic strikers - Wallace, Lennox, Dalglish, Macari, Nicholas, McGarvey, McAvennie, McCluskey, Cadete, Bellamy and of course Henke - I don't recall too many 6ft 4in lumbering giants.
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from the previous thread.
Well for all their bluster it looks increasingly like the emperor has no clothes. That mob were turgid last night and it's obvious to all that the tactics are kick anything that moves.
I did a wee bit of research on their "revolution" under Walter and the team that started last night, which you would assume was their strongest 11 and the team Le Guen started with last season. Which would you prefer to play against??
Last night: Last Year:
McGregor - Letizi
Hutton - Bardsley
Weir - Rodriguez
Cuellar - Svensson
Papac - Smith
McCulloch - Martin/Sionko
Ferguson - Ferguson
Hemdani - Hemdani
Adam - Clement
Darcheville - Prso
Boyd - Boyd
Now on paper and without the benefit of hindsight, which would you consider the strongest?
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Pierre
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Somewhere, in a Beejams carrier bag, I have a collection of NTVs from number 1 onwards.
In the days before Interweb / Etims Rumour Mill, the 'We hear that...' section was utterly essential.
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Paul 67
I share your nervous excitement, hopefully the draw will be as kind as is possible,if we were to qualify and they dont, coupled with winning this years league which I believe brings automatic qualification for next seasons CL, we could only blow such a financial advantage by bad signing decisions, the future indeed could look very rosy IF things pan out that way.
They would be back looking for a benevolent fan to buy Murray out and invest heavily in the team.
I do not want to consider the other scenario of the above so I remain positive.
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bambi, excellent comment. Last season team looks stronger.
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Bambi :- With the exceptions of Prso for Darcheville and Smith for Papac I'd have to say I think this years team is the stronger. Yes we were lucky last night with one goal bneing a fluke and the second a clear foul (from my view) however sometimes you need to carry a bit of luck in a cup game. I still stand by my two predictions, Rangers to win this tie by three clear goals and Rangers to lift the league title.
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It's been asked a few times,but I can't remember seeins an answer-what is the point of being seeded at this stage?Does it mean we will avoid some of the tougher teams in the draw,eg Shaktar[who won 2-0 away last night],or the Zetons;)?
Call me old-fashioned but I'm more worried about how we shape up this year,than the gormless of G51.If we do the Biz everything should take care of itself.
JVH will maybe liven himself up,now the season is starting in earnest.
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I thought Darcheville was diabolical last night.
If Rangers give away free kicks as they did around the box last night they will be punished by better teams.
JVOH is a class player who will take another few games to get fully fit .Please have some patience ghuys.
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I was in the Teser last night and the darnel match was on screen when something struck me (no, it wasn't a jacket potato wi white gloves on the shoulder, this time.)
The difference between us and them is neatly summed up in the difference between Tom and Colin McAdam. The brothers could never have played for the opposite teams. Colin was a prequel to Terry Warlock and should have worn one of those blue boilersuits from Carry On Screaming. Tom was a sane and reasonably good-looking chap
They are going to bludgeon their way with impunity this season. As we say in Wishaw when we want someone to remember what's been said - 'Mark My Ghee ' - though we might not any more now that he's the Father Of All Mothers.
Paul67 - I hope you took a can of my patented Darnkill, darnelist repellant with you last night, widny wanting you spreading more germs throughout ML1 and beyond.
WaryGemmell
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Benny,
Pierre had a fair bit of football in him.
I hope that you are right about JVOH.
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benny -
they are all diabolical, trust me on this.
WitchfinderGeneral
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benny -
caveat -
the ref will have to award the free-kicks.
maWhaboneGemmell
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DBBIA,
Yes, seeding means we can't be drawn against any of the other top 16 teams in the draw at this stage of the competition (or the team who may potentially knock them out at the 2nd rouns stage)
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SERIE-CQN
To join you will need to register your details, choose a team name and then spend £100M assembling your squad of 2 keepers, 5 defenders, 5 midfielders, and 3 strikers, once you have completed this you will then need this code 127224-65047 (including the hyphen) to join Serie CQN, to date we have 22 participants,
Tango Whiskey 11
Minger Thistle
Kings of Leon
FC Bayern Bru
Grass smokers Zurich
lazybhoys
Inter Yermaw
3-in-a-row
finer foie
G.O.D. F.C.
Godfathers
the super hoops
650KForHenke FC
Mabeypliers FC
Its a skoosh
Soul Rebel FC
Xinjiang Warriors
nakas nackered
Barracuda Thistle
Cumbernauld Celtic
DelMonteShamrock
Bern Bhoys
the more the merrier, there is even a forum for all you addicts,
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Edward -
were you showing Paul67 some hospitality megiddo-style last night ?
When'smaturnGemmell
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Edward,
I have to disagree, The only area that I would say has improved would be your goalkeeper. The back four had a guy who had been a CL semi finalist, a future captain of Sweden and the new Gary Neville. The midfield had the new Beckham, the captain of the French under 21 team and up front you had Prso who it has too be said was well past his best but still a better player than Captain Dobie.
The bench at that time was very similar to now, Hutton, Adam, Sebo, Papac, Novo and Burke were all subs at that time, they are now 1st team picks who were kept out by last years duds. The only players last night who might add something to your team this year are Thomson and Beasley although I wouldn't like to be relying on those two to get me out of the mire.
Ted, I admire your optimism but I have to say I cannot genuinely see much improvement in this years team, they may well be harder to beat but there is a distinct lack of creativity when the blood and snotter tactics fail.
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Surely Unpreparedness is not an option !
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aye danny, I wondered about that. I hope the team are well prepared...
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I meant in Europe WG.
The Diabolus. I like it.
From now on all Rangers fans shall be known by the poly-sobriquet Diabolus Darnel.
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VTP-Thanks.
There are 18 teams joining the draw on Friday;plus another 14 who have been playing in the earlier rounds.Are all 16 seeds in this 18?
All it says at uefa.com is that a decision on seeding will be made prior to the draw.
Looking at the teams there are a few handgrenades lurking amongst the pineapples.
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Last night the darnelists played like a bunch of thugs, the worst in Glasgow since themselves and Atletico Madrid (whose strip they wore in 2004 in case yis didny notice).
How Scottish fitba can take a modicum of pride in that bout of butchery is beyond my ken
dalglish.
WildlifeGazer
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Having a hard time getting my head around the blood and snotter tactics Bambi :-)
Blood I can see being drawn by the hammerthrowers a lot but are you suggesting there'll be nasty nose picking and flickin going on aswell......Walter reallly has taken that team to a new level !!!
I can here the Ibrox loyal beltin out their new chant......"If you can pick it, lick it, roll it up and flick it you're a record breaker..........." :-)
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Does any body have the unabridged words for the "Old King Billy had a ten foot willy" song.
I need it for a polemical piece Im putting together for the New Literary Review
Thanks.
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Yes, congratulations 2 ntv, when we were losing 9iar 2 gers, nearly going out of business,and generally having a hard time of it, at least ntv and once a tim put a smile on my face.
Brilliant team name on serie cqn, Inter Yermaw, quality man :)
Hail Hail
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Possible euro banana skins for Friday
the Damned" or "~ the Accursed": Sviatopolk I of Kiev (Russian: Святополк Окаянный; Ukrainian: Святополк Окаянний)
"~ the Deacon": Bermudo I of Asturias (Asturian: Bermudo el Diáconu; Spanish Bermudo el Diácono)
"~ the Debonaire": Louis I of France (French: Louis le Débonnaire)
"~ the Deed-Doer": Edmund I of England
"~ the Devil":
Robert II, Duke of Normandy (French: Robert le Diable)
Vlad II of Wallachia (Romanian: Vlad Dracul)
"~ Do-Nothing", "~ the Indolent" or "~ the Sluggard": Louis V of France (French: Louis le Fainéant)
"~ Dracul" (Romanian, "The Devil" or "The Dragon"): Vlad II of Wallachia (Romanian: Vlad Dracul)
"~ Dracula" (Romanian, "Son of the Devil" or "Son of the Dragon"): Vlad III of Wallachia
"~ the Drunkard":
Michael III, Byzantine Emperor (Greek: Μιχαήλ Γ' ο Μέθυσος)
Selim II, Ottoman Emperor (Turkish: Selim Mest?)
Wenceslaus, King of the Romans (German: Wenzel der Säufer; Czech: Václav Opilec)
"~ the Dung-Named": Constantine V, Byzantine Emperor
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DBBIA et al... CL 3QR seeding
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and another thing...why did the Sunday Mason claim that Wilson was out for a month???
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SERIE-CQN
27 participants now, what do people think to having a cut off in terms of the number of players, i have just noticed that the celtic minded web site has a league of nearly 200, and i tend to think that your team could get lost and you could loose interest in a league of that many teams if you are not competing from the start.
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WaryGemmell, fear not.
dunfydave, comment deleted, language violation.
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Are we going to trade in some of our duds for a decent striker and cover at left back and centre half??
We were a bit "poor" up front on Sunday and BBJVOH was almost invisible - is it just me, or did he look smaller and thinner on Sunday than last season?? Naylor also looked rusty. Thought Wilson had a decent game...and the obvious trio in midfield. Aidinho looked sharper than he has for months.
Is it just me or does Scott Brown remind anyone of Henke? (similar build and touch)
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Cheers Paul,
Last thread answer.
Didn’t think you would have any comprehensive assessment on hand but after conversations with a couple of Rangers supporters I thought I might ask somebody with a lot more knowledge on the subject than I for their gut feeling.
My understanding of the situation over at Ibrox, thought rather disjointed, would be woefully concerning, if I was of that persuasion.
Rather simplistic I know but this is how I saw it:-
Net assets of 72 Mill?
If any buyer were to approach them, with a view to buying, they would have to pay 72 Mill. minimum to acquire those assets plus they would have to buy out Mr. Murray’s shares; Valued at approximately,…………………………?????
now this is where I get really got lost and had to back away from the ‘conversation’ with my two Rangers supporting colleagues.
Now please Paul, or any other numerically astute amongst you, tell me this is tosh.
They claimed the share price to be at 55 pounds 50 pence a share X 108707499 shares issued.
Mr Murray owns 97% of these shares. = approx 105,000,000. Multiplied by 55.50 = I don’t believe it.
Bottom line Paul, when you do get round to publishing your assessment of the state of the Ibrox Nation, would you please include your perception of what a potential buyer would have to stump up to own Rangers outright. And put it in absolute baby layman’s terms so numerically disadvantaged people like me, can understand it.
Bambi
You've been bursting to get that one out.
If you remember back to Rangers last years, preseason games they had one against, Airdre? or Hamilton? or one from that genre. Anyway I think at best they drew. Prior to the game it was annonced that this was Rangers 2nd Eleven and that not many would be there come the close of that transfer window. PLG was the new man.
Hutton amongst others was playing that night.
Just can't find the team sheets.
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SERIE-CQN
31 now, wayhay
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DBBIA, to clarify BigChips link, no not all of the 16 seeds are straight in the 3rd round draw (eg the Scottish also rans) whereas there are some non-seeds already through to the 3rd round (eg Toulouse).
As the draw is made prior to the second round ties being concluded, this in effect means any team who knocks out a team which would be seeded in the third round, at the second round stage (taking a random example: if FC Zeta won 3-0 in thier second leg), then they would be the seeded team in the third round.
Simple, eh? And we haven't even started on country protection....
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whoooosh> yo! peeps what gives??
congrats NTV...always loved the ' you are the ref'
i remember they did the 'bomber' spoof...still raises a smile...
toonbarmy> aldo's allstars have just joined the league :-)
trying to get the aol one goin, pop up pages grrr!!!
i guess europe must be quaking in their boots after last nights 'champions elect' and european cup winners elect' display in the home leg.....
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Edward - you're normally the voice of reason on here, but your prediction for Rangers to lift the title this year is going straight in Room 101 with the Ibrox Casino.
I know it's only the first competitive match that the Gers have played & that Celtic are hardly the finished article either, however that is the poorest Rangers side i have seen since the days of Ally Dawson & Dave McKinnon.
Down the years you've always had players of quality who were feared & had an edge to their play. Players like Albertz, Laudrup, Van Bronkhurst, Artur Numan, Ronald De Boer, Stefan Klos, Arveladze, Dado Prso etc. This current team are not a footballing team & the emphasis appears to be on stopping the opposition by whatever means it takes.
Only Barry Ferguson, Chris Burke & Brahim Hemdani have any real craft about them. The rest are a poor lot & whilst i expect Rangers to be a much harder team to beat this season, it will be your dearth of quality player that will see you struggle.
And another thing - i thought your lots choice of song was a disgrace last night - i mean chanting for Sebo........
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kitalba - from a purely accounting perspective, Murrays shares are only worth the 72m you quoted....not in addition to the 72m. The reality is that they may be worth far more (goodwill) or far less (negative goodwill). Probably the latter!
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From the previous article:
At 31/07/07 13:01, winningemmell said…
Yet another Celtic Captain for Lanarkshire
ho hum.... dumbartonshire...
WejustGiveandgivetoTheCause
* Keeping in line with all the great Celtic firsts we supplied the first captain, the original Back Street Bhoy, we also supplied the first goal scorer all the way fae the Braes o' Bonhill and the centre forward in the first Celtic team, a player in the Jimmy Quinn and James Edward McGrory mould, the great Johnny Madden a true Son of the Rock took the game to the eastern segment of the continent particularly the former Czechoslovakia, without him there may have been no Dr. Jo, Lubo and…………………………………………………………Sebo)))))
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benny
hahahahah...
"old king billy had a 10 foot willy
he showed it to the lady next door
she thought it was a snake, so hit it with a rake...
and now it's only 2 foot 4"
CQN rides again!
tbd(stbtbdt)
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test.
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dunfydave
cheers for the swift response.
What I can't understand is the relationship between the share price, the number of shares, and the net worth of the company.
You accountant types are dodgey geezers.
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kitalba - where did you ge the data re #shares?
yes we are. yes we are.
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Kitalba,
I just thought about it last night, I don't have t'interweb access at home, so I thought I'd check their team from early last year and lo and behold I was right. I know it's all paper talk and we shouldn't read anything into that but I think a lot of Celts for whatever reason will always talk up the other side's chances and downplay ours.
Bottom line, we have improved our team while they haven't. In my humble opinion of course.
I think we may see 1 or 2 1m signings from them before the end of the window but that will not be enough quality to make them credible title challengers, whilst I think we may see a few 2-3m signings coming in to our squad.
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Kitalba,
Shares have an issue price or nominal value and for quoted companies an actual or trading price.
The 2 often bear no resemblance to one another.
If the company is quoted the number of shares issued times the current market price per share is the current market value of the company.
The issue price or price originally paid can be higher or lower and the difference will depend on the market view of performance or potential since the shares were originally issued.
Now is that clear?
Warszawa.
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dunfydave,
from them then as always I try to cross check stated facts.
Sorry links at this time of night are not an option,
http://www.plusmarketsgroup.com/details.shtml?ISIN=GB0007237380
Bambi
I am in totally in accord with you.
I hope it comes to pass.
It's late here and I'm off to my kip. However, tomorrow I'll try and track down the team that played that night and the associated press reports. The number of players who played that night, and I think lost, who are now first team squaders whould be interesting.
If you beat me to it, good on you.
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Don't click on the link below if you want to get any work done today.
Not The View
There are so many good articles in there, history, the 90's, Johnstoneballs, so farewell then, etc, etc..
Lubo.
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As someone who predicted the Darnel would give us a stronger challenge this season, can I just say that I stand by that prediction.
However, what a joy to behold last night was! Two of the flukiest goals you will ever see and some of the least convincing forward and midfield play as well.
Without Bazza, they are lost.
Nonetheless, Wattie's tactics are clear for all to see. Kick, kick, and kick again.
Unfortunately, they will get away with that a lot in Scotland this year as ever.
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dunfydave
and this one
http://www.digitallook.com/cgi-bin/dlmedia/security.cgi?csi=107131&username=&ac=
Warszawa.
NO. but many thanks anyway. I'll read it again in the morning and hopefully will then make more sense of it.
I repeat. You accountant types are now worse than lawyers and are most certainly, REAL dodgy charachters.
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WG :- If I had known he was there I would have hapily treated him to some hospitality but it seems to have been a hush hush visit. Though I'm sure he apreciated being in a decent stadium for once ;-)
Bambi :- I agree that on paper the team at the start of last year looked the better bet and to be fair I ignored the "hindsight" caveat. However the team that looked good on paper was one of the most inept Rangers teams I have seen in a long time, the surrendered (not a popular trait at Ibrox lol) far too easily to teams they should have beaten with ease, showed no fight and had one of the worst dressing room splits that has ever been seen at Ibrox. My one regret for this years team is that you got Mr Brown rather than us, possibly the best bit of business done at C.P in a long time.
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Kitalba - the number of shares used seems to be incorrect (x10). The link provided shows that the mkt cap of rahuns is approx £60m, which is a significant discount on the value of the net asset at £72m (ie their net assets are overvalued!)
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Kitalba - the number of shares used seems to be incorrect (x10). The link provided shows that the mkt cap of rahuns is approx £60m, which is a significant discount on the value of the net asset at £72m (ie their net assets are overvalued!)
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SERIE-CQN
41,
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KDS are reporting that Whittaker of Hibs is signing for the darnel today.
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Paul
Good to see you pay tribute to NTV!
Pre-Internet, old board, Mo Johnston, TFOD 9 in a row, Owen Archdeacon and Gary Gillespie. How did we survive?
NTV emerged at the peak of my match attending days. Like Hanif, I've got number one on.. until I got a burd who would tolerate (up to a point)my hoops obssessions. The gaps in my NTV collection tells its own story!
NTV at least gave us a laugh in those dark times. It was one of the first of the football fanzines. Were we the first Scottish club to have one?
It was non-sectarian yet took the mickey superbly at TFOD. It Came From Ibrox? Johnstoneballs? They Embarrased the Hoops was brutally honest too.
NTV has spawned many imitators at CP, a sure sign of success.
I don't know who any of the NTV guys were but I'm sure they must have played a major part in unseating the old regime.
Politically at least, if not organisationally, NTV spoke for the fan when the old board was taking Celtic to the wall. Celtic View in those days WAS Pravda, as NTV called it.
Those days, 86-92 were my formative years as a match going Celtic fan. I'll never forget how grim they were (Love St, Centenary year apart and the odd Joe Miller/Tommy Coyne piece of cup magic).
Happy birthday NTV. Keep 'em coming.
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Benny :-
Old King Billy had a ten foot willy
He showed it to the women next door.
She thought it was a snake and hit it with a rake.
Now it's only two foot four.
(still quite imressive lol)
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i dont think the net assets valuation matters any more.....this consist mainly of the revaluation of the stadium....the price that will need to be paid is dependent on how much of a hit MIH's balance sheet can sustain, because he isn't going to get anywhere close to the price the investment is in his books at....
the bank are also aware of the net asets issue...the bank knows it's not realisable at the price it's in the books at, and the bulk of the debt was moved at the banks instructions to MIH, where it is secured over more realisable assets.....
....the bank are allowing some investment to try and get into the CL proper, which in turn might help to attract a buyer....
....that is all the bank care about....don't swallow this guff from murray that he is looking for the "right" buyer.....he has no say in the matter....
...he will not be allowed to turn anyone away who will enable the bank to get their loans repaid.....not that he cares who buys it....with his ego a poor buyer, who comes up with an acceptable price....he will spin the acceptability of whoever is succesful, and if they turn out to be be failures , you will see stories appearing about the "good old days" under his stewardship
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dunfydave,
agreed the number of shares shown would appear excessive but both sites state equal numbers.
Confused me, then I did the arithmatic.
No way was that right.
I saw the 60Mill figure but don't know what that means.
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VargasShampoo :- I'll be the first to admit last night was a poor show from the team to be fair though in cup games the result and going through are the important things. Part of my reasoning is that I feel Mr Smith has the beating of Mr Strachan. I don't see us dropping the points we did last season and therefore the Rangers/Celtic games will be a lot more important. I think this will be one of the seasons when results between the two decide the league.
PS Could I say that in my opinion no one is the voice of reason at the start of a season, we are all super optimists who just know this is going the be the year that it all goes right :-)
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SERIE-CQN
43 teams now , i was thinking of closing the league at 50 members, as this will keep it all on one page
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G.Spiers is a guest on Radio Clyde tonight. Should be an interesting programme.
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Edward,
The other great difference between our two teams is that when the pressure is on we seem to grow as a team and the individuals seem to get a greater sense of purpose and rise to the occassion, ie Nak and Boruc in the CL, late goals from McManus, Jarosik, Miller, JVOH etc but Rangers seem to go missing under the same circumstances, ie Boyd in big pressure games doesn't seem to score, Ferguson goes awol, The games last year when this happened were over in Israel, Aberdeen at Pittodrie, Osasuna, all the players with little or no big game temperament let you down and I don't see that nay of the new guys will bring you any of that.
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Kitalba,
In short, to buy out Murray I expect he will need at least the same amount of money as the club represent on the balance sheet of his holding company, MIH.
This will be the net worth of the club, circa £80m. Any buyer would need to pay this much just to take over the club with its current debt, further investment, if required, would need to be found.
Remember also that the net worth of the company is not necessarily the value any owner would want to sell, in fact it seldom is. Coincidentally, Murray has paid around £80m for his shares and might seek a profit from his tenure.
I reckon the price sought will be between £80m and £100m, and that will buy you the scruff of a once large club without merchandising revenue.
It could take an investment of near £150m from a new buyer to put Rangers back on a level playing field with Celtic.
Can you see it happening? Me neither.
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Hmmm, are the BBC reporting Naismith fee agreed with Celtic??
On last nights game, I wouldn't put too much stock in it. If Boyd's shot had went in then they could have been 3-0 up at half time. Further, did we ourselves not come back from a terrible opening European result to win a league....
Bambi, I would be willing to wager a large sum of money that this current Rangers squad will score more points in the SPL this year than the equivalent squad did last year.
#8
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this may be papertalk and i know its childish but Mr Murray's ego is gonnae take a bruising. Tee hee....
"BBC Scotland understands that Celtic are close to agreeing a fee with Kilmarnock for striker Steven Naismith."
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However......as football is played on grass,rather than on the Interweb,I seem to remember an impoverished Rang### team fetching up at Parkhead,scoring an unlikely goal[an overhead kick from Huggy Bear!]and going home with the 3 points,and Celtic being unable to do anything about it.
That's to say nothing about the last 90 minute hate of the season.I'm still picking bits of the tranny out of the wall...
I actually agree with Paul67s header-preparedness is not an option-option implies that you have some choice in the matter.
This August is going to be a big month.
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They say timing is everything in football, I wonder if Alan Hutton will today be regretting having a brain like the wee monkey playing the drums that Homer Simpson has?
I think Whittaker is a decent player but he is suspect defensively and gives the ball away more than Paul Telfer could ever dream of. No great improvement with this signing.
Very happy if we have agreed a fee for Steven Naismith, a fine name despite the spelling. I'd start him up front on Sunday!!!
Yet more rejoicing as another sinner repents...
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No8,
I won't argue that they will pick up more points than they did last year and they will comfortably finish 2nd as no other spl team has strengthened from last season and most have in fact gone backwards.
Aberdeen have lost Anderson, their capt and best player and have no plans to replace him
Hearts, have signed some more Lithuanians from the team who were put out by the dross Rangers played last night.
Hibs, Have lost Brown, Killen, Thomson and Sproule and have replaced them with unknowns.
Killie, about to lose Naismith, may strengthen but unlikely.
Dundee Utd, have brought in 1 or 2 players who will make them stronger.
the rest have alla lost players and not replaced with similar quality. Rangers will still drop points though, mainly away games after European games (uefa cup hopefully)
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Seeded clubs:
Liverpool
Arsenal
Valencia
Sevilla
Benfica
Ajax
Werder Bremen
Celtic
Steaua Bucharest or Zaglebie
Lazio
darnel or Zeta
Shakhtar Donetsk or Pyunik
Besiktas or FC Sheriff
Anderlecht
Dinamo Kiev
Levski Sofia or Tampere
Non seeds:
Sparta Prague
Fenerbahce
AEK Athens
Dinamo Bucharest
Slavia Prague or Zilina
Rosenborg or Astana
Spartak Moscow
Red Star Belgrade or Levadia
FC Copenhagen or Beitar Jerusalem
Toulouse FC
Dinamo Zagreb or Donzale
Racing Genk or Sarajevo
DVSC Debrecen or Elfsborg
FC Zurich
FC Salzburg or Ventspils
BATE Borisov or Hafnarfjordur
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Bambi
Good post, and Edward's reply is interesting.
Truth is, you get what you pay for most times. Estadio may have spent an arm and a leg on his daughter's foot, but it would have cost him more to buy cheaper.
Compare and contrast three years of spending to stay where you are, alongside our continuous improvement.
If you cut through the hype, this year's lot is no better, and probably no worse, than last year. Or the year before. Or the year before. In my opinion of course.
Capucho, for example, would on the face of it outshine anyone on that list.
The interesting thing for me is that, in spite of the lessons of the last couple of years, the pendulum of opinion once again had started to swing Rangers' way after a couple of pre-season kickabouts.
Tells you a lot about the aspirations of our establishment and our legacy of years of disappointment.
I thought it would be closer next season. Now I'm not so sure. I haven't seen last night's match (although following following it on follow follow was entertaining), but if the accounts of brutality are correct it may well be that Walter has bought himself a well disguised mid-table SPL outfit.
Rangers may blend in perfectly.
Sorry Edward.
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I'm normally a keep-politics-out-of-football man, but the lefty in me would quite like us to get Jerusalem, so we could show a bit of support for the Palestinan people and generally wind up the Israelis.
( although, anti-semitism will not be tolerated, natch ! )
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Just heard Steven Whittaker has moved to the dark side from Hibs.
£2m I think was the figure mentioned
That's the season over then...
TMC... There's one you missed out on 80)
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Mike,
Hibs website says its official, no fee mentioned but I heard from a few Hibby's that it's 1.8mill.
They have signe a placid Alan Hutton.
Interested to see how the Cardy will fit, McCullough, Beasley, Burke, Adam and Whittaker into the side.
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At 01/08/07 14:22, Paul67 said…
"It could take an investment of near £150m from a new buyer to put Rangers back on a level playing field with Celtic."
Now I'm a confirmed numeridiot, but I thought that's not a lot of money in the football world. Then I considered that Man City were bought recently for £81m, almost half that amount.
When you consider that they are involved in the cash-cow that is the EPL and the annual windfall for finishing at least 17th; they still have there own merchandising rights and a nice new stadium (not sure they own that though); £150m for starts to look like quite a sum for a club with so few options left for bringing in hard cash.
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Surely if Whittaker has moved for £2m (I presume that figure inlcudes sell-ons for the next 20 years and a 'Bain' all round) then that must kill their interest in Naismith?
What must Johnson think of them and their derisory offer for Naismith?
What will Naismith think of them - almost a big enough insult to turn you into a Celtic supporter?
The door would appear to be wide open....
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Maybe he'll wedge the extra one in with a funny handshake...P0)
BTW.. I heard it on talkSPORT news
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Mike its on their official site as £2m. You can view it at skinthunsrus.com
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May have missed it previously - been looking at the CL seedings am I right in thinking that if 2 of the teams currently seeded above us, such as Ajax or Werder Bremen, fail at the 3 qualifing stage then we would sneek into pot 2!
Can anybody confirm or otherwise
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SERIE-CQN
On reflection and the fact we already have 54 teams,I don't think it's fair to restrict the participants to a fixed number,
What if i propose to keep the league open until midday next Friday, (CQN time), and give the folks from other time zones around the world a chance to join,
The code to join is; 127224-65047
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toonbarmy
Posted a team for the first time on CQN league
Come on the Kittoch FC
Does no-one do a Scottish version?
KittochWhosWonTheLeagueAlready
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disco
Yes we need 2 from Liverpool, Arsenal, Valencia, Sevilla, Benfica & Ajax to fail. Don't hold your breath !
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Danny,
I can see Benfica falling at this hurdle to be honest, they've sold Simao and one or two others. Ajax, depending on who they draw are another team to look for.
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PAUL67/EL DIEGO
what do u make of the naismith deal, i thought u heavily hinted he would not be coming?
Also if as el diego bhoy is saying fernabache are in the CL qualifiers will they not tie up appiah and in turn compltely hill any lingering interest we might have?!
then again if he doesn't play it may mean there is hope yet!
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danny
on reflection maybe we should just worry about qualifying and let fate take it's route
Cheers
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£2million for Whittaker but they can't afford Naismith
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kittoch,
i found this epl version the easiest, it's free, reliable and doesn't require codes from newspapers,
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Pastyface
Hibs have accepted their Ginger Bottles and promises.
Kilmarnock got wise to them after their payment profile over Van Boyd.
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toonbarmy
I think it will be good fun and will keep an interest down south.
Just would like to see how we would do in a league we know a little more about.(perhaps)
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Mike, £150m is a real stumbling block. As you allude, there are few opportunities for a commercial investor, and it is far more than the fans could raise.
The fee for Whittaker is £2m.
Thank you to the CQN'r who informed me of the deal last night.
Not bad for the second best full back at Hibs.
Disco, correct.
Antsman, correct. One week ago today I was told in clear terms the nature of our interest in the player. Our subsequent activity does not contradict my information.
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I think Naismith would be a great signing for us. Pacy and scores goals, can play wide too.
Of course we still need to get rid of a few players.
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disco
Actually it's 2 from 7 (those six I listed plus Bremen).
I'm looking at the seeds for the qualifier & hoping a few of them fall thus making teams like AEK, Fenerbache seeds.
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Paul67,
Are you suggesting that Mr Murphy is the best full back at Easter Road........
For the time being.
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I wish I'd bought Hibs last Xmas, sold all their players and pocketed the cash !
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Paul,
Did you just call me Mike?
Mark
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Mark...
You should be honoured...! 80)
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Mike,
Consider me honoured, but still right browned off. Harrumph.
Mark
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Paul67 n' all CQNers,
Just back from the sunshine of Greece and trying to catch up on all the gossip, but I have one wee question
We've had loads of rumours about who might or might not be coming in but have you heard anything about players being lined up to leave PH?
/Bishop B
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What about me?
Mack
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Rosenborg won 3-1 away from home today so they're certs to qualify.
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TB,
Thanks for keepting it open, TTT has now input the winning team, well i've input my team anyway, should be fun watching this......any wagers/prizes/wooden spoon type things up for grabs????
Cheers
TTT
