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Sorry, posted this at end of last thread.
TMC, DBBIA,
Thanks for you references to Kelly's letter. You would have thought in the Thirteen or so years since Fergus rode into town, he would have had ample opportunity to set the record straight as to the alleged underhand tactics employed in gaining control of the club.
In the book, Rebels in Paradise, by David Lowe, the step by step campaign to assume control is precisely mapped out. Included in this, is the part played by each member of the Board. Had there been any inaccuracies in recounting events, there was plenty of opportunity for litigation open to those who felt maligned. None ensued.
Is the mineshaft closed at the moment? Surely the new fella should be corresponding from deep within the shaft.
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let the good times roll....
basking in the sunshine right now paul!
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First, Now there's a First
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From last thread:
aviewfrom
We didn't sign Geoff Horsefield, so I would absolve GS of any blame there. We did sing DD as a stop-gap, experience centre-forward - never to be regular starter. So what, he came, he did a job, left with two medals.
We did sign AB and SN. I'm delighted we did, both are as close to European class, if not more, that we have. Celebrate them even more.
We did sign Virgo, who hasn't done well. I'lll give you that one. And maybe Camara, but he had been on our radar since MON and from what I understand, would have signed had MON still been in charge. He was poor - might give you that one.
But I'm not prepared to give you SP. Outstanding on his return to Tynecastle, he was signed when we needed exerpienced back-up and did a job late last season. He was particularly poor in the cupfinal, but we kept a clean sheet and won it. There you go. This season? Consigned to his rightful place as experienced back-up on the bench. And you're not getting Caldwell. A nightmare in Benfica, granted, but before that was part of a good-looking partnership with our new captain, that, lest we forget, kept two home clean-sheets in the champions league and guided us to several points ahead in the league. He'll do for me. As things have worked out, he may have to be on the bench, but that's due to a return to fitness and form, for JFK. The manager you slight brought him straight back into the team. And you certainly don't get Naylor. One good season? Yes, dead right. He's been here one season and hasn't played a 'competitive' match this. A poor show to criticise him.
Tactically inept? You simply don't win the league by a stretch and have three home victories in the champions league by being that I'm afraid. To stretch your point, anyone who loses to him, ie Ferguson, must be worse. Hmmm. As they say.
And there's a clip from Soccer AM on GS post-match from his time in England GS soccer am It's actually entertaining. GS communicates with me in the Celtic View, in the programme and yes, indirectly via the old media you talk of. But I could care less how he handles the old media. For the most part, their biggest story would be if he walked. It would make you happy too, apparently.
And it would throw us into turmoil as the start of a season with little time left in the transfer window. And make us the laughing stock Real Madrid were when they let go Cappello and before, del Bosque. Win stuff and get fired. Yet you ccriticise the board just now? Well I'd sure criticise the board if they did that. And yes, he is a board dream. Cut the wage-bill, wheel and deal at a profit, and win two championships in a row, get us to last 16 (tactically inept? Hmmm). He's also a supporter's dream if all that happens. Not the nightmare you suggest.
30,000 for a pre-season? Reasonable I'd say. It was Parma and a useful work-out. And, a victory. And a clean-sheet. And decent performances from most of the team. As I'll allude to shortly, we raise the league flag on Sunday. There will be more than 30,000 there.
My glass may be half-full, aviewfrom, I may even be optimistic. That's what comes from being a fan of a team that's just won the double and goes into Sunday raising a league flag. In my opinion. And I know we can win on Sunday. To say anything less, is, without resorting to insult, frankly bizarre.
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Ah well. Third is not so bad
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Welcome aviewfromabove...
Crazy idea, or course, but you are very welcome all the same :-)
aldo, you enjoy that sunshine, I'm off to cloudy Edinburgh.
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From the last thread:
aview - all fine I'd say except for the one about attendance at the Parma reflecting the majority view. I think that's just about normal for that level of opposition and comparable with the average for MON in the 'big' pre-season home games:
01/02 Fulham 56,000; Sunderland 11,000;
02/03 Ajax 38,500; Parma 26,948;
03/04 Arsenal 44,396;
04/05 Newcastle 20,000; Spurs 30,000;
The notable exception being the Fulham game.
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There's a big blowout on the go in world debt markets. Interest rates are rising too.
'Manageable' debt has always been the watchword, but in the next little while this may mean debts a bit lower than they are now. Lawwell and Co would do well to heed this.
Equally I'm happy to be seeing the Darnel incur even more of it in their obsessive quest to stop our three in a row. In a way I don't mind too much if they succeed, if it ensures that their long term burden is even greater.
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From previous thread incase EDB missed it
El Diego Bhoy no XL is the top package without any of the premuim channels like sky movies & sports. Basically everything you don't want to watch and nothing that you do want to watch. :-)
if you go here it shows you the banner add and also lists the different TV packages M,L, XL
http://allyours.virginmedia.com/websales/service.do?id=1
sorry haven't got time to try and do a linky thing.
spread the word.....
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paul>it was the metaphorical sunshine of the present celtic climate i am basking in!!
isnt the east coast pepetually 'cloudy'....:-)
apart from the odd glimpse of ' sunshine on leith'
enjoy the day..im backshift in bedlam....
outrageous mint comments re:scott brown...casting stones i think...
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Outstanding article again Paul.
If the Gods had been a bit kinder we would be going for 8 in a row this year.
Couple of issues
Whats going to happen to Barrow field
What will be the benefits to us if the CG bid is successful
Will the running costs of Lennoxtown be a cash drain.
Somebody told me that the Darnel pay about £3M pa to run Moonbeams Park
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Where did the Seville money go ?
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jsm69 - Just to further what you've written, you can add Sky Sports 1,2,3 and Xtra (albeit withouithe full interactive service) for £16/month. So that's £36/month total for nearly all of the live football that's available.
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aview...,
from the previous thread.
leave me out of this. I'm soaring way above the mineshafts, 408 row Y to be precise!
I always thought of myself a happy chappy. Tail's not awaggin', probably because it's not big enough according to the wife, but on the whole I'm pleased with how things are progressing.
Think back to black Sunday and even the artmedia game and where we are now (on team 3 to boot).
I know you'll never please all, but surely progress is what is required. I think we have seen that year on year, and hopefully with more to follow.
I'm certainly looking forward to a few Euro adventures this year.
Apart from anything else, no matter what you think of WGS's abilities, his ego allows him to work are part of the management team. That's from the board down. He is an integral part of that framework.
There will be down's as well as up's but I'm hoping and expecting more of the latter.
Come out the mineshaft, the sun is shining.
HAIL HAIL (nothing to do with the weather)
TMM
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Bloke 109,
Gotcha ;-)
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Theres a Buzz about the place
Celtic 5 - Killie 0
Naismith Hattick
just kiddin
Scott Brown, Venegoor Hattrick, Donati
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Get a Eurovox decoder for £120 and get it all for free.
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bloke 109
agree on your ab and Naka comments--I just wish he would play naka in a free role..instead of restricting his game to be as good as the overlapping defender's game...
Caldwell is Strachans blindspot-he is a limited player but strachan sees him as an all rounder...
On virgo- he didnt stand a chance-- as he was settling into the big club- he was played in 3 different positions and then the final nail was to play him in a postion he had never played in against dunfermline away...
Tactics-- even walter smith won home games in champs league ;-) And btw we didnt beat man U
He admits that a 4-4-2 is the best formation...
Of course I hope you are all correct but I dont think you are...and yes I will be there supporting anyway...but for me the sooner he goes the quicker we really progress
weeminger
thanks for the stats...I guess fulham was the last time that we spent over £7m in the transfer market?
Paul
which bit was the crazy part? ;-)
Can you answer me 2 questions btw:
How much debt do you think is acceptable for a club like celtic?
How much available funds have we not spent this summer based on this figure?
Dont get me wrong Im glad strachan isnt able to buy Mendy and Ezquerro
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This comment has been removed by the author after BigLiam wound him up good
:-)
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http://www.eurovox-scotland.com/
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WeeMinger That's an extra £16 an month the wife wouldn't let me spend :-) being in a house of wife and 2 daughters the time i get to view what i want on telly is restricted to when they're all in bed.
Seriously the Sky Sports doesn't really attract me. I get enuogh of an update on premiership from Match of the Day, the only problem i have is with (hopefully) the couple of away Celtic Champs league games but then that always a good excuse to go to the pub, or as I've managed the last few years to catch one of the away games live.
Thanks for the info tho'
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Paul67 - timely and uplifting
Hail, hail!
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aviewfrom
We didn't beat ManU? Sorry if I picked you up wrong, but blimey the view must be dark where you sit.
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bloke109
a dark moment came upon me ;-)
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aviewfromabovethemineshaft ,
And btw we didnt beat man U
Any wonder your teetering over the mindshaft!!
Here's what you missed :
CLICK HERE
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Michael Kelly's letter really is class.
The suggestion that the Bunnet and Co "created a crisis to exploit it to their own ends." is interesting. Wonder which part of the Taylor report demanding all seater stadia Fergus penned. Or did he have a say in appointing Brady and Macari? Maybe he thought Stuart Slater was worth all that money.
Almost as good are the lines "The Bank of Scotland saw an advantage in siding with these individuals. But they misread the situation and lost the lucrative Celtic business after the old board left."
Overdraft payments are indeed lucrative. The way I read it at the time Fergus ditched the BoS because they allowed the Kellys etc to stumble on in to even greater debt even after Terry Cassiday had phoned them ON HIS FIRST DAY IN THE JOB as CEO and told them not to extend the overdraft because, never mond the money, they didn't even have a business plan. Maybe the "rebels" had stolen it.
Celtic pre March 4th 1994 was a private club run exclusively for the benefit of a select few. The removal of those people was akin to cutting out a cancer. Good ridance.
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aview...
we certainly did beat ManU and in fact we put them in a position where they had to win their last game to qualify. On the night we were through, they were not! Despite a plethora of dodgy decisions in both games.
HAIL HAIL,
TMM
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big liam,
I'll never tire of seeing that and the hairs on the neck never fail to respond!!!!
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Of all the nights to miss the game!
thanks for the clip big liam
See that strachan hes a great manager!
Tactical genius....
Your going to tell me we beat ac milan at home now arent you?
Paul
Intersting review of the figures- is it copy and pasted from the annual report?
Nice to incorporate the MON ambition spend with the post seville spends to get a bit of clarity on the current position.
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andrew,
I think wee Fergus dropped the BOS because they refused to budge on the debt. They were going to foreclose on Celtic, but refused to negotiate on the normal basis of x pennies to the pound (where x is less than 100, considerably normally)
That stuck in his craw
HAIL HAIL,
TMM
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SICK OF SETANTA
With apologies to Paul for taking up space on a fascinating thread I feel myself moving towards the creation of an SOS site for Setanta sufferers of which there are a few I believe. This is long but anyone else sick of Setanta’s practices may well wish to take note and share their experiences and the outcome.
In view of the advertising campaign re £9.99 per month and the fact that my subscription was due renewal I sent an e-mail to Setanta on the 11th July. It said simply
“Hello
Can you clarify for me please what the renewal subscription terms will be? I take your services via the Sky platform.
Many thanks”
And added
“in order that there is no confusion I would confirm that my expectation is that I will be paying no more for the next renewal than your currently advertised rate of £9.98 per month.”
I received an acknowledgement promising a reply within 5 working days.
On the 14th July I sent a protest re the lack of information re the non - screening of the QPR match.
I received an acknowledgement promising a reply within 5 working days.
On the 20th July I sent a reminder.
I received an acknowledgement promising a reply within 5 working days.
Yesterday I sent the following
“I wrote to you originally on the 11th July.
I have sent 2 e-mails since on the 14th and 20th July.
Other than your standard e-mail response suggesting a response within 5 working days I have heard absolutely nothing from you.
I ask you now to provide contact details for your Managing Director in order that I lodge my complaint at your disgraceful inability to maintain an acceptable level of customer service.
I have to question if this cavalier attitude to long standing subscribers is indicative of your likely future treatment of your original customers and is a direct result of your winning part of the EPL contract.
If so and if my reading of the mood amongst current subscribers is correct then you may well find that a trickle may well turn into a flood once the aggrieved become organised to return your abysmal treatment in kind.”
Today I received a reponse from Setanta apparently replying to my reminder of 20th July.
It said
Thank you for your e-mail and please accept my apologies for the delay in response.
I can confirm that Setanta Sports, as with any business, initiate several offers throughout the course of the year to attract new customers. Each offer is aimed at different segments of the market and specific criteria has to be met for eligibility and the recent introduction of the £9.99 per month subscription rate is available to new customers only.
However, as advised, many different offers are launched throughout the year, some of which are available to new and existing customers so please continue to visit www.setanta.com for all the latest news, updates and announcements which are released on our website in the first instance, as soon as they are available.
The forthcoming season is an exciting time and Setanta Sports has a great line up planned including:
60 Live SPL games
79 Live Blue Square Conference games
46 Live English Premiership games
40 Live games each from top European teams Live Magners League and French Top 14 Rugby Live FA Cup games USPGA Golf North American Sports, plus many other sporting events.
If further information or assistance is required, please call our Customer Services team on the number below. Our lines are open from 8.00 am to midnight, seven days a week.
Yours sincerely
Donna Mathieson
Setanta Sports Customer Services
I have written the following reply
Thank you for your e-mail, apparently in response to mine of the 20th July.
It is co-incidental perhaps that this has come so promptly after my e-mail of yesterday requesting contact details for your Managing Director. Whether or not that is the case please note that I still require those details.
Your response is most interesting. I am intrigued that you should feel that your programme schedule including so many items that I have no interest in is some sort of attraction.
I am also intrigued by your claim that " as advised, many different offers are launched throughout the year, some of which are available to new and existing customers." Would you care to quote an example of any offer that I might have taken up during the past 12 months?
In your response you have still failed however to answer the basic question I put to you on the 11th July which was " Can you clarify for me please what the renewal subscription terms will be? I take your services via the Sky platform."
I would also point out that my experience thus far as a customer gives me cause for concern regarding the ethics of your company since last year at renewal you charged me £180 whilst charging other existing customers £140. I had to point this out to you in order to obtain parity on that occasion. Am I surprised to find that on checking my VISA details today that this year you have again charged £180 to my VISA account, this on the 25th July, 14 days after my e-mails to you?
For the avoidance of doubt I would confirm that your failure to respond in the timescale promised has denied me the opportunity to cancel my subscription should I have wished to do so.
Clearly I find your response less than acceptable since it would have been of benefit to me to cancel my subscription and re-apply to benefit from the terms offered to new customers bearing in mind that your existing customer base is so obviously undervalued.
I look forward to your response, hopefully within 5 working days on this occasion.
The attitude of Setanta is I find a common one with any number of companies today. Ignore correspondence and in the end the little guy will get tired and go away. Clearly only subscriber numbers are important to Setanta and all they will take notice of so again I would ask that if anyone has similar experiences to let me know so that we may be able to demonstrate some greater strength at a future time.
So far I think the following subscribe to Setanta. Correct me if I’m wrong.
Caoimhin Dubh
Pfayr
Bonbhoy
Ardoch
Antsman
Lyn’s Greensocks
Henrik’s Sombrero
Ulster Celt
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Thanks for this excellent article Paul. I enjoy seeing some of the details underlying the strength of the club. We certainly look to be in great shape, and getting better. It seems like the obsession to eliminate the debt has diminished, is that because it's now under control? Or maybe that it's due to the investment in Lennoxtown rather than spent on something frivolous, like players!
How important do you think it is to the GoD for us to be the sole Scottish team in the CL group stage? Increasing our income while denying them cash makes me smile.
Finally, how many players do you expect to see leave CP before the end of the month? I'd hope 4 or 5.
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PAUL67
Whats your view on Maloney Possibly coming back?
I was a bit unsure but he was our double player of the year.
Plus I always thought Naka played better with Maloney in the side
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ha ha
superb derbyshire bhoy
well said shun
why we ever agreed to a 4 year deal with setanta al never know
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Big Liam
Thanks for posting the goal against Man Utd. I still get goosebupms everytime I see it.
One small of topic point for the coming season. Being out here I was able to watch a few of Japan's games in the Asian Nations cup, unfortunatley with only Japanese commentary, which might as well have been Swahili as far as my language skills are concerned.
However I couldn't help but notice how badly wrong we get the pronounciation of Shinsuke Nakamura's name.
We tend to go with ( excuse my poor attmepts at phonetics)
" Shinsooky Nakamoora," with the emphasis on the second syllable of his first name and the third in his last name.
In Japan it is more like, " Shinski Nah-camera," with the emphasis on the middle "cam" sound.
I imagine it must get quite frustrating continually hearing your name mispronounced ,and I propose a campaign for all our intrepid phone in callers to correct this if the opportunity arises.
Mon the Shinski.......
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aviewfromabovethemineshaft ,
No , we drew 0-0 with AC Milan , home and away in CL. We lost out to KAKA in ET.
AC Milan won the aforementioned competition.
Gordon Strachan , tactical genius indeed has a nice ring to it. ;-)
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Buy a Eurovox for £120 and get it all for diddly Derby.
Its the only language they understand
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Interesting article Paul. Well-researched as usual. A few downers though.
The key concern I have for the future is that I think the impact of the English tv deal will have far greater ramifications for our game (and the consequent team on the pitch) than any other change since the Bosman ruling. I am scared when I hear the likes of West Ham spending £7M on an average player because it undermines our aspirations. Inevitably, we are going to get squeezed and miss out on players who would rather go to mid-table obscurity (gaining greater personal security of £40k a week) with no chance of winning a medal than come up to Scotland and face the likes of Kilmarnock for £12k a week. Whilst we will always attract players with an affiliation to Celtic I would like to be competing for the best in the market rather than just those who want to come here or the flotsam left over after the Premiership bunfight.
As for investors in the English game, I think they are there for the long haul. Very strong cash flows in the future will guarantee that their investment is worth while. It seems unlikely that there will be any significant wane of the tv rights any time soon, but TV is not where these investors anticipate ramping up the revenues. The Premiership looks likely to improve on it's marketing at the behest of the new owners. Lerner at Villa and Gillett at Liverpool both think that Scudamore is a complete amateur and want the league to be marketed in the same way as NFL and baseball are in the US thus realising many more and greater revenues. Scudamore's position weakens by the day in the face of these hardened businessmen.
Another fear I have is that we are only as good as the people we have at the top. Brian Quinn is the consummate professional when it comes to dealing with the media. He is very skilled in dealing with the obstacles that come his way. However, he has made clear that he intends to retire fairly soon. Can we guarantee that we will have someone of his calibre to replace him (Dr John Reid may be well-connected but somehow I think the cabinet pitbull could whip up as many storms as he calms)?
Peter Lawell's capabilities speak for themselves. I would not be surprised to see some big Premiership clubs (and other business outwith football) casting an envious eye at the current Chief Exec. He has made it no secret that he will leave Celtic at some point soon.
When Lawell and Quinn leave there will be a considerable strategic gap at Parkhead. I only hope that there are already plans in place to ensure that their successions are achieved as smoothly as possible for the tumultuous years ahead.
Tutti
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Beijingcelt
Ditto with Boruc. We get Boruk, Borutch and Boruts. I believe the last is the correct one.
How hard can it be for commentators to do just a little bit of research by, well, asking the guy??
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Benny I ahd a look at that site does the box work through satellite or only through cable?
Also does it require 'upgrades' to allow you to get all the channels for free
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aviewfromabovethemineshaft , Beijingcelt , themadmurph ,
This one is my favourite. Enjoy.
CLICK HERE
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Actually as I remember it from commentary if we want to be properly respectful to the Asian convention of family name followed by given name, then it should Nahcamera Shinski.
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Just aff the blower fae my mate in Edinburgh and he says that the bold Hibees are aboot ta dae a double raid on PH fur two of their former players!
My first thoughts wur Riordan and Caldwell, but he says the first wan wis right but the other wan wisnae.
It seems that the Hibees are keen on a return fur a certain Kenny Millar!!
Truth or single fish it's wit he's sayin'. IMHO I think this wid be a brilliant move and wid free up places fur Naismith and Maloney.
Beijingcelt - I think the way yi'd say Naka's name wid be Shoonski Nakamoora, least 'ats the way the boy wie the mad eye's on Celtic TV says it.. ;o)
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AVFATMS-timing is everything!
All I would say is that there is more positivity and negativity flying round this blog than in a Van der Graaf Generator[and no,I don't know how it works].
Available evidence to back these views is,as far as this season is concerned,with our newlook team,nil.So both the Subterranean 'Ticsick Greens and the von Clapp Family Singers need to get behind the team and help them to kickstart the season.
I am not Mr Strachan's biggest fan either but I look forward to being proved wrong as Celtic unleash wave after wave of attack to sweep all before them at home and in Europe.
New season,new hope.
Fresh page.Let's watch the Bhoys write history.
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Here's the deal Big Liam
Come a cold November and we've just ground out a dull 1-0 win to Killie or someone, and we're all moaning and groaning about, " the Celtic Way," please just post that and help us all remember just how ecstatically good it can be.....
Thanks again.
By the way, I would love to See Sean back in the hoops. Who among us never made any bad decisions when we were in our early twenties. Gee whizz! I'm still making them now, and my early twenties are but a distant memory. Quite simply I think we are a more balanced and creative team with him playing. A midfiled drawn from Aiden, Sean, Massimo, Scott and Shinsuke in full flow, and feeding into a mobile Jan and Scot Mac up front in my opinion will really be something special once it clicks.
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Paul,
No disrespect to the lad on Celtic TV, but I'm going to go with the native Japanese speakers on this one. Although I'll end up forgetting myself and reverting to Shinsooki before long.
Cheers
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derbyshirebhoy,
I'm in the exactly same position as you. The £180 came out my account, but there was no letter letting me know that this was going to happen. I eventually got through to them after about 10 minutes waiting, where they basically said that I had to write to the refunds department. I have sent them a letter letting them know that I wish to move over to the £9.99 deal, so we will see what comes of it. This really p*ssed me off, as being stuck down here in England, I have been paying Setanta a fortune over the last 6/7 years when you consider all the pay-per-view games they used to do.
celticbhoy72
PS This is my first post, could never be bothered with hassle of creating a blog account, but seeing the setanta posts tipped me over the edge...
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Further to my comments on Sean's possible return, I forgot to add in Evander and Teddy to the equation. It just gets better thinking about it....
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Greenlion,
Cable only I think but you can get gizmos to make it run from satellite apparently. Ive had mine about 10 months .As far as I can gather it downloads upgrades as various codes change
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Beikingcelt - Sorry the actual way he says it is Shuoonski Nakamoowa. Didnae gie him his speech impediment. :o)
Cheeri!
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benny
Excuse my ignorance, but what's the story with those eurovox boxes? How do they operate, what do you get channel-wise?
Sounds good at face value, but I was always told if something seems too good to be true it probably is. Any help appreciated.
Paul
Another fine article, keep them coming.
Long time lurker, occasional poster,
WC
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derbyshirebhoy,
you can count me in your list of subscribers
TMM
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big liam - thanks for the link - lest we forget eh? Now duly bookmarked.
And isn't that the problem with some of our less optimisitic posters. You know for the vast majority of football fans they will never experience anything like that night against MU. Never.
Yet we get it and in the same season as we pick up a domestic double and reach new heights in the CL and far from being content some guys are demanding the head of our manager. You could't make it up.
It truly beggars belief and I'm afarid these guys are doing our rivals work for them.
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paul
i would be surprised if hibs could afford kenny millers wage demands or even anywhere near them, i was hoping you would say paul hartley
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28 "Somebody compared him to Billy McNeil, but I don’t remember Billy being crap.”
Tommy Docherty, the legendary football coach, on Rangers’ Italian flop Lorenzo Amoruso in 2000.
From 50 greatest sporting insults in today's Times.
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WC
i have had a D Box for two years this operates the same way.
it works only with cable
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I have recently subscribed to Setanta for the season at £9.99 with an annoying £10 connection fee.
I cancelled some of my SKY programmes to reduce my payments to cover it.Will be interesting what they do to the subscription price after the season is over.
If you think Setanta show things you are not interested in SKY are many times worse.
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Apparently the Maloney story really is a load of baloney, in his own words on the official AV site
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re setanta
when i phoned to complain about the discrepency i was advised to cancel and request a refund - but at the same time apply at the new rate. to be honest couldn't be annoyed with the fuss.
i have been with them from day one, loyalty has nothing to do with it but they practically agreed to pulling the wool....they had always sent a letter to remind you of your costs and such, they were quick to tell me that they legally did not have to do this...surprise surprise..no letter and £156.00 out of my credit card. sucked in.
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Paul,
Are you sure you're not a member of the Board? Anyway, thank you for that heartening precis of where we are and where we have come from.
Thank God for Fergus McCann and the Celtic support.
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I must say that I am shocked about the Daily Record getting a story like this wrong in the close season. I think I might need a lie-doon following this all too rare puff-piece.
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So does the box work in conjunction with an existing cable box/connection? I've no real experience in using these things.
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Parkheadcumsalford
I agree with your last comment, Fergus had the business plan and the determination to succeed but without the support of 10,000 small investors who were probably all fans it would have been a flop.Where would we be now?
I am not in any way criticising anyone who did not invest at that initial stage just making a point I feel is relevant.
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antsman, As far asi'm concerned mate they can take awe 3, but i'd settle fur the 2 fur starters.
Regarding Millars's wages i think i remember his reported wages weren't that high but possibly more than the Hibees can aford.
But noo they have a few boab in their pockets fae us fur the Skoosh sale and a few skoosh bootles fae the Huns fae the Whittaker sale ye never know!
Cheeri the noo!
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wc
you just plug it into the same place.
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So you'd need an existing cable connection/subscription then?
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Paul
As ye know,pal, ah'm a sucker fur a Non Sequitur,
Non Sequitur? L'Amour Toujours!
Kojo has bet a bundel(?) on NewCastel Tae Win Da Premier League!
Dae ye smell a hint o' Reckless Abandon?...or, maybe common or Gairden... INTRIGUE?
Na! Jist a Mere Hunch, he say!
Aldough, some Hunches ur MERER, dan Ithers.....by da way!
collie.
Tail's Awaggin', Awaggin'
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miketw10
On Maloney, I don't think that was taken from today's AV site.
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aviewfromabovethemineshaft.
I'm at the moment trying to catch up on the previous blog and have seen the contribution from you.
Welcome aboard.
One comment though and not directed at you personally but offered as food for thought. I then promise to leave the subject alone.
The comment is that it often astounds me just how many posters there have been who begin to comment on this blog with a variety of attacks upon either the board or the manager, the attacks being quite often presented in an aggressive manner who in turn are quick to whinge at some internet "gang" who apparently inhabit this space with the sole desire of driving them away. They then make the prophecy self fulfilling by withdrawing from the blog only periodically returning to moan that nothing's changed.
Someone else has commented that perhaps they need to realise that they are in a minority for me at least in the way they present their view of the world but accept also what most people say viz that alternative views are more than welcome ,that the fears they are expressing are shared at least in part by the others who continue to post here but that the way they are expressed means that they do not draw a similar response.
Again nothing personal but simply food for thought.
Paul 67
Can I be in your gang?
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Been in a posting wilderness for a while...
Paul, the cynic in me could say that this sounds like the kind of announcements that hi-tech firms were giving a few years ago before cashing in.
You don't have a wedding anniversary coming up do you?
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Miketw I believe that link is from a few weeks ago when we were linked with him then....I remember the bit about Petrov telling him about it.
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WC
yes you do
well worth it mate you can then watch as much cartons as you want
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AVs season ticket prices are reasonable. Comapred to us. Highest price £475.
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Sky Sports are reporting that torn gub Jeffries said Celtic were given permission to speak to Naismith on Monday but so far have not approached him.
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the sensationalist in me wonders if we have not progressed with talks as the maloney specualtion may be true
"Celtic wanted permission to speak to Steven so they should go and speak to him," said Jefferies.
"They asked to speak to him, but that was on Monday.
"What is a little bit concerning is that we haven't heard anything yet.
"I've kept him up to date with everything, but this could make it seem as if we are not telling him everything.
"They might be busy or have other things on, but if they ask to speak to him then it's only courtesy to the player that they speak to him as quickly as they can.
"It has caused a lot of anxiety for him and it's not fair.
"Steven intimated that he would be willing to speak to Celtic because there is no point in wasting everybody's time.
"And after giving them permission we would like to find out what they are doing."
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Gordon Duffield Smith's first initiative in his job at the SFA is to break fifa's rules
It has been widely praised by the Scottish media. Still, what do they know. This is a disgrace and an embarassment. Sack him now.
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I note with concern but no surprise that Duffield's first initiative is to clamp down on diving - not a great problem in the Scottish game.
I'm sure this gives great comfort to the hammer throwers who now must be thinking no one can go ground unless I really really hurt them.
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Spirit of arthur lee,
A gentleman you are indeed. Many thanks for the clarifications.
I'm sure I'd have more than cartoons to watch if this box is all it appears to be.
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antsman
A tactical ploy by da Tim Malloys!
Da coin it must foist go round an' round da Mental Machine,
Which.... SOMETIMES!..... wull mak da recipient mairer, KEEN!
Oan da ither hand...
It may be dat de ither, ither(!) hand... is Bizee, wit' a Case in Hand,
And wull get back... before da Glass runs oot o' Sand!
collie.
Tail's Awaggin', Awaggin'
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"Fifa takes very seriously the matter of simulation and of any form of cheating in football and actively supports and participates in many initiatives to promote fair play and eliminate cheating from our sport," it said.
Hmmm... So why don't they do anything about it then? I personally back Gordon Smith's attempts to clean up the game, and I've been an advocate of this type of retrospective rule for ages now.
What player is going to dive in the hope that the ref doesn't see it, when they know that a panel of judges will see it later on?
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SAOL/watchingcartoons - you may find that if you cancel your subscription that they don't actually switch the signal off to your house. In other words - if you are lucky you don't even need to have the minimum package!!!
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Re the maloney link...
Yes, the website isn't dated is it?
That was a link from an AV forum. Lazy surfing indeed!!! Sorry!
For what it's worth, I'd be glad to see SM back. We lost a lot of creativity when wee Shaun left.
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Derbyshirebhoy - your story is almost identical to mine. £180 off card 25/7 after having e-mailed and asked what the score was on 17/7. Automated but no human response.
I don't have the patience for people who aren't the decision makers - not their fault - but am in a quandary as I could contact MBNA and tell them it was charged without my permission and as I have an e-mail acknowledging the original question they don't have a leg to stand on if I reject the charge. However - I wouldn't get to see the games.....
My 'record' with them says I called them on such and such a date and they wrote to me etc etc etc - never spoke to them since last year and never got anything in the post...
Total shambles from a shower of amateurs.
Is there anything else in life that you buy where you can't just tell them to eff off and go buy it somewhere else??
Do you have an e-mail contact or address for the organ grinder?
Ta
TB
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Blah blah blah blah blah.
I think what Paul is saying is.
I think we are doing no too bad.
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Boltonbhoy
we will leave manhood sizes for another day this is also a kids blog.
anyway what makes you think both myself and Wc just have a minimum package?
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miketw - fair enough, but diving and simulation would not be my first attack if I were chief exec - it's low hanging fruit. Unlike other leagues, diving is not an issue in this country. The two examples shown on tv last night were of a Hearts player falling as Barr of Falkirk stood up to confront him, and KM being brushed aside in the box by a Kilmarnock player. Hardly serious offences and I can't think of many others in the SPL. Champions League - Amoruso against us, arguably Giggs v us, some from the EPL too. At the very least, Duffield could have done his research on FIFA rules.
Duffield is very ambitious, clearly seeing David Taylor's path as one easily followed. A prediction? Duffield will keep trying the new initiatives in the hope UEFA will come calling. More likely, he will fall on his face when he goes too far or becomes Farry-like.
Now Duffield. How about sectarian singing and chants. Ooops, too thorny.
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Any possibility that Wee Goerdon,is, whilst making us king of the castle,is,just by way of a laugh,trying to help Hibs to put them in their proper place?
Riordan to Hibs,and maybe a couple of loans too?
Never know,maybe we could have a hand in two teams against them.
We could also throw a few loanees Pittodrie way before the "window" closes.
Wouldn't it be fun for all the numpties in the papers to see us as the big rich baddies trying to take the mickey out of Rangers at every turn?
For once in their lives,they may actually be reporting the truth.
Imagine that!!!
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SOAL - methinks you protesteth too much!! :-)
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Boltonbhoy
your right
Love
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miketw10 - The article on the Villa website is from the July 16th.
If you select there news by week, you will see it in the week that has the 16th.
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The enigma Maloney
Not for me I'M afraid
He seems to have attained cult status and can do no wrong in some
fans eyes while other players are
subject to horrendus abuse
What I see is a player that disappears completely from games on
a regular basis and also too lightweight in an already lightweight midfield.
Naka missed Telfer wide right more
than he missed Maloney
Lets spend the money on another area of the team or a pit bull with skill
Ps i would love to see Naisy in the hoops
