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Quiet round here
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Yup, the welfare of Celtic players takes priority.
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sshhhh
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Always quieter on international weeks. At least we have a home game on Saturday to look forward to.
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Paul,
quick roll call here. What are our players doing this week? I know the Poles and Scots who are on international duty.
What of Nakamura?
I guess the following are not away...
Wilson, Naylor, Donati, Kennedy, Riorden.
Not sure about Sno and Bjarnesson, O'Dea, Killen or Pressley.
Did MacDonald travel with Australia? Given his hamstring problem, I'd guess he'd be rested on Saturday.
JVOH was on the Dutch bench.
Is everyone else risking life and limb for their countries?
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I think Naka is with Japan. They played in Austria at the weekend and play against the Swiss tonight.
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Big Up for WG (Winning Gemmel)
Support his stance entirely with regards the SFA and the national team. Look at the minutes silence for the Pope. Weak pathetic men. Look at duffiled and Eck .. oh aye and things are changing getting better slowly ... my bahooky.
I follow Scotland because I live abroad and have done for 20 years. Nobody out of Scotland is interested in the bigoted wee nation that it truly is. Therefore I can support them and enjoy the international banter but just because I can tolerate the putrid disgusting underbelly of the SFA doesn´t mean to say that I am more principled than WG in fact I´m the opposite.
Team tomorrow should be
Gordon
Hutton, McManus,Caldwell, Mc Eveley
Maloney, Brown,Hartley, Ferguson, Fletcher
Beattie
it will be
Gordon
Hutton, Mc Manus, Weir, Mc Eveley
Ferguson,Fletcher,McCullogh,Quashie,Teale
Boyd
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From Shakhtar site
Fans' expectations
Shakhtar are to resume their European campaign on 18 September. Our website conducted an opinion poll to find out the guests’ expectations from the Orange-black team’s performance at the UEFA Champions League Group stage. 2380 shakhtar.com users took part in the poll.
What place Shakhtar shall take in their Group D?
2. 1643 (69,03%)
3. 294 (12,35%)
1. 286 (12,02%)
4. 91 (3,82%)
All I expect is to see a spectacular performance 66 (2,77%)
Total number of voices: 2380
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It's all very well adopting this 'I hate the SFA / National Team' stance but ultimately every single one of our players is desperate to represent their country and they've selected the right man to pick the team.
I think Scott Brown is a certainty to start tomorrow night, McLeish has already started him in Italy so will have no fears tomorrow.
I think the team should be:
Gordon
Hutton McManus Weir McEveley
Caldwell
Brown Ferguson Fletcher McCulloch
O'Connor
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My team would be
Gordon
Hutton McManus Weir McEveley
Hartley Brown Ferguson Fletcher maloney
McFadden
Boyd deserves a start but he's rubbish up front by himself. I wish Miller was around.
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Paul,I would imagine Shaktar are in the same boat?
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TMC,
desperate to play for our team .. like Barry Ferguson against SA ?
"adopting" "a stance" you make it sound like it´s a choice between a tunnocks tea cake and french fancy
The man with the worst domestic record in Rangers history is the right man to pick the Scottish national team?
Why is David Wier a man that refused to play for his country and wrote them a letter saying so picked? ... Aiden Mc Geady take note.
I loved our set pieces at the weekend - top quality. If only we had a player in our ranks like Wee Lubo ... etc.
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Awe_Naw
OUR players, as in Celtic.
The worst domestic record in Rangers history? That would be the guy who was good enough to take 2 league titles and 5 other domestic trophies of our 2nd best ever manager then? Just how bad is he?
He was, by far, the best available candidate.
David Weir wrote a letter outlining why he would never wish to be considered for selection under Berti Vogts, I don't see the link to Aiden McGeady (a player who is being regularly racially abused). Once Vogts was removed he rescinded that request.
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Kano
Find below the list you asked(?) for.
Darijo Srna (Croatia)
Razvan Rat (Romania)
Igor Duljaj (Serbia & Montenegro)
Cristiano Lucarelli (Italy)
Mariusz Lewandowski (Poland)
Nery Castillo (Mexico)
7 Ukrainians were called up for Ukraine duty:
Andriy Pyatov
Volodymyr Yezerskyy
Oleksandr Kucher
Dmytro Chygrynskyy
Oleksiy Gai
Oleksandr Gladkyy
Vyacheslav Shevchuk
Ukrainian Under 21 team:
Bohdan Shust
Oleksiy Polyanskyy
Volodymyr Pryyomov
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TMC,
Ah so it´s ok for David Weir to pick and choose when he plays for Scotland. He was playing for Scotland not Bertie Vogts! He couldn´t handle deserved criticism and threw the rattle out of the pram. Wier is revered in Scotland (unlike Aiden Mc Geady) yet he is a scumbag traitor like Walter Smith and will keep Gary Caldwell out of the team tomorrow.
It´s obvious that we have far and wide way way way on a different galaxy amd time difference of opinion over Eck Mc Leish.
Best available candidate. Ah so that´s why so many were interviewed and selected for the job.
Are our players still discriminated against by Eck. That has to be a resounding yes.
We´ll agree to disagree as usual TMC :-)
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TMC,
Was Eck´s boss also the only credible candidate ? If no do you see a "trend" here ?
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Re David Weir,
He wrote a letter stating that he did not wish to be picked for Scotland under Berti Vogts.Whether this was only when Berti Vogts was the manager or not,this is still a snub in my opinion & any player that does not wish to play for their national team at any time should not be asked again.
Hail Hail
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Every player has the right to retire from international football, for whatever reason. Larsson done it twice. If Weir was a Celtic player and had been treated the way Vogts did we'd be screaming from the rooftops.
Stephen McManus wasn't a regular under Smith, he is under McLeish - how does that fit with your delusion towards McLeish's discrimination?
I suspect if I said the sky was blue you'd disagree.
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Huge game for us tomorrow night.
I would go with:
Given
Kelly Dunne McShane O'Shea
McGeady Carsley Reid Kilbane
Doyle Keane
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There is a difference in retiring from international football & not wishing to be picked because you were criticised by the manager of the team at that time.
When Larsson retired there was a widespread plea by all of Sweden to have him return,such was the high regard he was, & still is,held in.
It does not matter who you play for,if you are asked to represent your country then you should be proud to do so.
Hail Hail
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Awe_Naw
I doubt it, he certainly wasn't the man who best fitted the job description. I am certain that McLeish was the best available candidate for the Scotland job (taking only Scottish candidates).
With the massive disclaimer that the SFA treated Tommy Burns shockingly (to Celtic's benefit).
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Touche' tully57, touche' my friend!
/Bishop B
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TMC,
Earlier you said that Weir was cherry picking now your saying he went into voluntarily retirement? He turned his back on his country. NO DEBATE. The only problem Weir had with Vogts was him telling the truth to the country. Something that we all could see then and can see now. Not good enough and an ego way out of control for a stopper with his limited ability. He shouldn´t be near the squad on ability alone never mind him turning his back on his country.
Mc Manus is in the Scotland team two years too late (imho) He´s had more CL games this year than Wier has had in his lifetime
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McLeish was my pick for the Scotland job. Well I think the best men would have either been Alex Ferguson who would never have taken it, or one of McLeish's best friends (and our current manager) who I didn't want to take it. But I think he would have refused it anyway.
Mcleish has made MacManus key to his plans, he had no problems calling up Beattie, Miller was his main striker, and Brown is one of his key players. Caldwell started against South Africa and may start in the key holding role against France. Hartley is expected to replace Teale on the right. He's certainly not discriminating against Celtic players. The only one who could maybe grumble is Wilson but he himself is still trying to regain form after a torrid last season.
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TMC,
I just dont see the SFA saying okay this is the most powerful job in Scottish football so we´ll pick a controllable numpty but with the most important job (Eck´s) we´ll pick the best candidate. In your well intentioned dreams maybe but the reality is staring you right in the face. I obviously interpret that differently. The man was fired from Rangers and end up in the Scotland job and you say he´s the right candidate. Shurely shum mishtake
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Weeron, remember all the U-21 games too.
Kano, at least Ukraine are playing at home tomorrow night.
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I like watching Scotland with mates who I would never normally see on a Saturday for obvious reasons.
The night usually goes along the lines of:
Arrival at nominated house, clinking bag in-tow.
Get noisy and shout excitedly a bit at the telly.
Quieten down again under relentless pressure and one down.
Start to blame everyone except the Celtic players.
Take umbridge as some hun who you thought was your mate does likewise with Rangers players. Clearly irrational bigot that he is.
Jump on top of the same guy and jump around the room as the equaliser goes in. Get each other a beer.
Declare you don't care anyway as the final whistle blows on a 3-1 defeat and that Scotland and the SFA are hi-jacked by huns.
Argue indignantly about this for a while.
Look for the Ireland score.
Leave with the two other tims, singing the Soldier Song.
Email an apology in the morning, inviting the exact same crowd round to your house for the next qualifier.
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Awe_Naw
He said he no longer wanted to be selected for Scotland as long as Berti Vogts was the manager. Vogts behaviour was outrageous throughout his tenure as Scotland manager.
But if it makes you happy, Davie Weir is only playing because he plays for Rangers.
As it happens, Weir was massively complimentary towards McManus saying that it was refreshing to play alongside someone he didn't need to boss about for 90 minutes.
For all the criticism of Weir, he performs at the heart of defence for both club and country and both have excellent records.
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China 2007 Female World Cup
Japan just did the Huddle before the second half began.
Wonder who might have inspired that???
Kittoch
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TMC,
If I recall correctly Weir and I thhink Dailly were singled out for criticism after the draw with teh Faroes. I think the specific criticism was that neither had showed any leadership towards the younger players despite their experience. To be fair this criticism was warranted as both had nightmares with crosses and balls played over the top.
Dailly chose to knuckle down, Weir chose to be a prima donna and refused to play for Vogts/Scotland again.
I find it hard to accept this man was ever asked to play again.
By the way I have absolutely no interest in the Scotland national team but do like to see Celts playing well for their countries, whoever they may be. I would not care if there was never another international game played again.
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Weir can't be used as an example of Ranger bias anyway. He was still an Everton player when he was recalled to the Scotland team. He will be in the defense until the end of this campaign. Scotland are looking for stability after years of chopping and changing after every match. We have a winning team and the manager is unlikely to make major changes until this campaign is over. When he does retire the free space will be contested between Russell Anderson, Caldwell and most likely Webster if he gets back to his old form.
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......or Adam Virgo
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Kittoch-Mogga-san is big in Japan.
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TMC,
I take the integrity of Vogts over David Weir any day. Vogts has actually won medals of recognition has been a world calss player and a succesful internatioanl manager. I believe David Wier has a Scottish cup medal? I saw the game where David Weirs magnificent record didn´t hold up to scrutiny against the likes of the mighty Faroes. It sounds like to me that your buying the red tops latest release on history.
If Mc Manus is so good then why did Walter Smith not pick him earlier?
Please explain the difference in appointing the head of the SFA and scouring the world to get the best candidate. A man that has been fired for giving Rangers their worst season in living memory. Unemployed for 6 months and then hey presto .. David Murray gets the jigsaw going and everything falls into place.. any other interpretation should have a copyright from Anderston Qauy on it .. if they are still there!!
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Adam Virgo is a striker these days :-P
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Can't believe it.
Watching England play Japan and thought how will they get 66' into the womans game. No sooner thought it, and they commentator says "the English coach was born in 1966, thats a great omen for England"
There you are 4 mins in.
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Awe_Naw
Berti Vogts was an unmitigated disaster as Scotland manager, isn't rated in his won country and is damaged goods in managerial terms.
Paul Lambert captained Scotland in the Faroe Islands, shall we define him by this or by his 200 games for Celtic and his career in Germany?
Don't know why Walter didn't pick him, I'm not Walter. I suspect it was something to do with him just having broken into the Celtic team (hadn't played any Champions League games then).
Back to McLeish, he WON two league titles and five domestic trophies against a succesful Celtic under their best manager since Stein. I think he was the best man for the job, it's difficult to find any other Scotsman who was available and had such experience.
Grass green, Sky blue, world flat and so on.
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Edward…………………………..
From the last thread…………………….
I take it as a compliment…………………..
that you did NOT take my side…………………
on the Scottish debate.
;-)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
BigJoeWhoLikes2PickHISpals
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Japan Betty's 1
England Betty's 0
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BigJoe :-) I just hope I haven't sullied Wg's reputation beyond repair by being on the same side as him :-)
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TMC
we both want Scotland to win.
FYI Mc Manus made his European debut in the CL proper. A level that Weir has yet to experience. Mc Manus has more medals as well. Vogts was a disaster for Scotland. Agreed. It does not excuse David Weirs actions in refusing to play for his county. I have never rated Wier or for that matter Pressley. Nothing to do with Rangers.
Eck was fired couldn´t find a job for 6 months and though and behold ends up as Scotland manager. I bet you he doesn´t go far in the game once his Scotland brief is over.
Vogts is no longer rated in Germany true but he was before and without debate. in 1974 and in 1996
As you haven´t chosen to answer why the difference in modus operandi when it comes to recruiting the two main men. I´ll offer a suggestion. There is no difference .. handshakes all round. I believe that truly and you dont. That´s the only difference. I´m paranoid your not?
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Japan Betty's 1
England Betty's 2
"Off and running now England, No one to stop us"
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Edward…………………….
What reputation is that………………………….
Cyber hard man………………….
Anti Scottish……………………….
Anti SFA……………………………….
The list goes on…………………….
BigJoewhoThinksWGwontBesendingTheBigManAChristmascard
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Talking of German managers,interesting feature in this months WSC on Lothar Mattheus and his various adventures in management since he hung up his boots.
Fair to say he isn't the most popular towel on the beach of German football.
Also in the issue more background to the recent managerial shenanigans at Carlisle.
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awe-naw/tmc
was one of the biggest factors for eck getting the scotland job not that the SFA were/are skint and he was free?
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Awe_Naw
I think McManus played against Donetsk a few years back now that I think of it. I've never subscribed to the Weir guru image but I do think he is performing well enough for Rangers and Scotland to be 1st choice.
I also think McLeish had suggested he would take a break from the game hence his unemployment. Whether he was offered a job or not I'm not sure. Given his record with Rangers, particularly given the team we had, I think he will go on and succeed in the game.
I share your belief that 'they' will be happier than ever now that it's an ex Ranger in the hot seat and a Rangers player as captain. Still doesn't change the fact that I think they chose the right guy, whatever I think of him personally (I think he's a fake) he has started well.
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Antsman
Probably, it plays a part in alot of appointments (Strachan?).
I also think that 'foreign' was out given the Vogts debacle.
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I think we could take a leaf out of our southern cousins when it comes to supporting our national team. We do not seem to have the same enthusiasm as them, but I'm not sure if that's a West of Scotland thing.
I'm to young to remmeber the dark days when certain players were not included in the national team due to playing for Celtic, but I don't believe that to be the case nowadays.
We should be firmly behind our National team regardless of where our roots trace back to
C'mon the Scots...do us proud!
I'd like to see us play
Gordon
Hutton, McManus, Weir, McEveley
Fletcher, Brown, Ferguson, Hartley, McFadden
O'Connor
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Japan Betty's 2
England Betty's 2
Japanese free kick wizard Miyamama
scores a blinding freekick with the last kick of the ball.
Nakamura eat your heart out.
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TMC,
I was talking about Gordon Smith head of the SFA being appointed and Eck. I dont buy that anyone of note was interested in Eck, hence why he was unemployed. the revisionism in the press went into overdrive.
good debate today ... lets hope I´m on here on Thursday saying what a great Manager Eck is and what a great player David Weir is.
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I don't know if he came off the bench but Mick was not a starter in either game:
CP1-0 victory,Thompson
Marshall/Mcnamara/Valgaeren/Thompson/Hartson/Agathe/Lennon/Petrov/Varga/HCamara and Mcgeady
For the return 3-0 defeat in Ukraine Valgaeren,Thompson and Mcgeady made way for Balde,Juninho and Sutton.
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DBBIA,
he replaced an injured Jackie Mac against Shakthar Donestk
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DBBIA
and the return was the 1.0 win at CP
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tmc
i toyed with comparing it to gordon strachan but stopped for fear of being accused of being negative
mcleish was in my opinion the best overall option taking into account some key factors such as cost,availability,knowledge of the domestic game and players
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Will never forget the day of Smith's first game back at mordor, Peter Maguire on clyde saying (as the music blasted)” fanfare for Walter” and the rest in the studio Cheering! He had just walked out on Scotland !!!.Imagine for a second WGS doing the same, only going to the Hoops??? They make it so difficult.
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AWenaw-not for the first time UEFA.com has left me looking foolish;~#
Without wanting to start a fight in an empty house I think our current squad is no weaker than the team from the autumn of 2004.
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Thanks Zbyszek,
quite a list.
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Gary Teale is out of the game for Wednesday. William Hill have drastically cut the odds on Scotland producing an effective cross.
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" BIG " Joe -
Christmas ?
you'll be in the atheists sights next
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possilbhoy said...
It does not matter who you play for,if you are asked to represent your country then you should be proud to do so.
Not if your an Irishman born in Northern Ireland. It would go against every moral fiber in my body to play Football for Northern Ireland.
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edward -
QUIS SEPARABIT ?
:-))))
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Big Liam,
and if the Republic came calling ?
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Internationals should be banned as they cause untold discord on CQN and are, frankly, boring and injury-inducing.
IMHO
WestGermany
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awnaw -
we still AWAIT The Republic.
WicklowGalway
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Teser for a pint of Tartan Special........aye, right!
WishyGemmell
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WG - Did the Teser make it into the new Good Beer Guide? Take it its not the Hamilton Wetherspoons you go to - which I think is in the new book....
Whatever enjoy da beer - (Tartan :-))
Just spent 2 glorious weeks in Cornwall in the nations best pubs...
Back to International Week Puish Tork....
Scotland to win - but unlike Celtics games I wouldn't get too upset if missed the first 80 minutes...
TB
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On the Scotland debate, I will go one step further.
I want France to win tomorrow.
Next summer I hope Messrs Brown, Caldwell, McManus, Hartley etc leave Hampden with winners' medals and head straight to a beach somewhere. Not head off for another month's football and training under the careful eye of "Dignity" McLeish and his baldy pet monkey.
The same feelings apply about Poland, Ireland and Holland.
Internationalist CSC
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Awe_Naw_No_Annoni_Oan_Anaw_Noo,
Without a shadow of a doubt.
But there are some caught in no mans land due to previous rules and regulations before 1999 which did deny them the right at the time to declare their nationality as Irish for sporting purposes.
My younger brother refused N.Ireland at Schoolboy level and U19.
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Pujol
Ask Ryan Giggs if he would swap any of his long summer rests for just one shot at what our Scottish players are (possibly) on the verge of.
There's only one answer - our players will be desperate to be at the party next summer and thereafter in 2010. They're the voices that matter!
I'm as worried as anybody about players getting injured on internatioal duty and I think something could be done about the timing of games. For example surely the double header should be Wednesday / Saturday allowing the players back at their clubs Monday?
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WG - I just looked up where ML2 is - and as its nowhere near Hamilton - I take that back as a dumbass thing to say....
TB
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thismancraig
Without wishing to sound uncaring, I don't care if it's what the players want.
I daresay some players might want to spend every summer in a booze-addled stupor, but that would be bad for Celtic too ;-)
And as we are discussing individuals (Giggs) let's ask John Kennedy if he would swap the last 3 years of his career for the "honour" of representing his country.
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I'm Scottish (but I could qualify for Ireland due to my granny) and I just don't get the hostility towards Scotland amongst some of our support. I accept my dad counts himself as Irish even though he was born in Scotland but he doesn't do so at the expense of being anti-scottish.
I'll never get as worked up for a Scotland game as I do for Celtic games and I don't have a great desire to attend many games but I'm still desperate to see them do well. Besides, it is only to Celtic's benefit the extra big-game experience our (Celtic) players pick up on international duty.
Brown, McManus etc will only be more prepared for CL football because of their experiences on Wednesday night.
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WG,
to true, but I feel that Possilbhoys statement still stands. Big Liam´s country is the ROI. He might still get the call yet.
The Neil Lennon affair ended any interest in me as far as N. I is concerned. Although RogerMilla gave me a row for celebrating their win over England. Schadenfreude a go go
TMC,
I should tell you that before Vogts was unveiled, Dubaibhoy, a fluent German speaker, wrote to the SFA offering his services as a personal assistant to Bertie Vogts. To help him deal with living in Scotland the culture etc. Needless to say it was politely and incompetently refused
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Big Liam,
I say this was shaking head but I was in the squad for Norn Irn schoolboys many moons ago. At the training camp in Coleraine our combined 26 players were placed in two squads and handed out kits - the huns home strip and the huns away strip !
Needless to say half of dozen of us refuseniks turned the collars in and tore off the big badge nearly causing a riot. And that, they say, was the end of that.......
My 'attitude problem' was duly noted.
Big Wavy whohatesinternationalweekbuthopeNornIrngetstuffed
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Blantyrekev.
Wonderful post.
Very funny.
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THE Old Firm ©Paul67 Celtic Quick News :-) could soon be part of Europe's G14 elite. The group - actually 18 clubs, including Real Madrid, Man United, Bayern Munich and AC Milan - are expected to approve a plan to expand to as many as 45 clubs at their general assembly on Thursday.
G14 chairman Thomas Kurth said: "Eighteen cannot be representative enough - even if the 18 are the most important. ----ooooh dae ye think so
"There are other clubs with similar worries, and similar potential to grow. They need an independent platform which is broader than the one we have now."
Even though the G14 has always denied it, expansion should help quash rumours it would like to set up a lucrative pan-European breakaway league.
"We have never made a step in that direction. With 18 clubs you could think about a competition. With double the clubs, it would be very difficult," Kurth said.
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BlantyreKev
go to the pub to watch the game.
End up chatting to somebody who has no idea about football and a strange accent.
Go out for a fag.
Hear a cheer as Scotland score....
decide you don't really care so stay outside and finish the fag.
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Kano, Hello!
Now I really don't know Wish to God it wisnae a 'blank weekend'............but hey, I cannae help agreeing with him on a lot of 'stuff' (see previous)including SFA, Scoatland etc., and the rest, and his patter is no bad for a Lanarkshire man... me, born NW1, then SW3 to morph into G53 but not ever/never ML2 or St Pats but short term the Mungo prior to bye, don't think this is the school for you son ......... so, the point ....no clique or prior involvement, just the wish to "let the people sing"
.................e.g. Saint's Days, pernicious masonic influence in the West of sGotland, awright anno, and he does not need me haunderin' him but c'mon gie the guy a break.............see if you check his moniker and the Wonderfully Good people ascribed................ask them...... or at least the surviving TG as to their/his impression of the SFA...............and aye, really, I do know.........Jeez.............
Take Care.......... C'mon the Hoops!
TBM
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Very quiet on here tonight; just my luck, wee bit of recuperation period and eventual Enigma type code cracking of Google/Blogger to allow me to (re)post and .................. nothing, except if you don't support Scotland, you are not to be trusted..... Really!!!
TBM
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AweNaw, I would like to point out for other readers that I have never used the OF phrase here, I simply defended your right to do so :-)
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WinnigGemmell :- a bonus reputation est a praemium pro vita
Please excuse bad grammar, spelling or wordage :-)
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Paul67 be careful now,
you could become known as "The defender of the Old Firm" ;-)
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Apologies for dragging us back to a comment on a previous thread, but at 11/09/07 11:34, EdwardUrsus said...
...On another note I find something funny in the perception of different fans. Take a group of fans who go to away games, a lot of them get steaming drunk, they hate a neighbouring country with a vengeance, sing songs of hate about it, sing homophobic chants, boo the anthems of other countries and have an attitude that says, we are superior to others, no one else is like us. Put them in light blue tops and they are rightfully condemned for the behaviour, put them in dark blue tops and somehow it changes into good-natured banter from the friendliest fans in the world.
Sorry Edward, I'm not having this. I read your opinion today, and I was amazed that it passed without comment. I have no particular axe to grind for the Tartan Army, I have never even attended a Scotland game in my life (tell a lie, when I was a boy I did attend the U16 World Cup final against the suspiciously hirsute Saudi 'lads'), and whilst I want Scotland to do well I don't get particularly worked up about it either way. But for you to suggest that the attitude of the Scotland travelling fans is comparable to that of the fans of your chosen club side is either disingenuous in the extreme, or an outright lie.
To the best of my knowledge, the Scotland fans have not caused trouble abroad, or been censured by uefa, for many, many years. Can your fellow fans make that claim?
To the best of my knowledge, the Scotland fans chants and songs have not had to be vetted, and none have been banned or proscribed. How about your fans?
Yes they might get tanked up, and make nuisances of themselves, but there is a lack of malice, and what appears to me from afar as a genuine willingness to integrate. If your bunch come home from their forthcoming trips to Germany, France and Catalunya and have made nothing but friends as you go, then perhaps you can start criticising others.
Your team should continue their slow - oh, so glacially slow - attempts to get their own house in order. It does you no favours to constantly rely on the argument, "but it's no' just us - there's others just as bad". I see this deployed more often these days in papers, newspaper blogs, comments forums etc.
But, hey, maybe I'm wrong and it's all just a matter of 'perception'.
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test
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Good grief! Paul, or any other financially numerate types out there, is this report on Celtic Underground alarmist or accurate?
£1OOMAYEARINTEREST
Without delving deeper into Man Utd's income levels this seems horrendous. Are our levels of supporter shareholdings still sufficiently strong to make this scenario unlikely or have they been dangerously diluted by converted preference shares and the like.
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The Green Trumpet ,
You are not wrong. The correspondent you refer to has been on a Rangers damage limitation exercise since he first appeared here, just after Hugh Adam's hatchet job on Murray.
His attempts to portray the "nice" face of that organisation I find quite nauseating and from time to time the mask slips.
The evil tree does not bring forth good fruit.
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Just received the three Champions League tickets today. :-)
The payment for the first ticket (£29)was taken yesterday.
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Well said The green trumpet.
A phrase commonly used in the media is 'the decent majority of rangers fans'
Im afraid the decent rangers fans are in the minority as their new favorite song shows.
Lets see how many of their own boo the signing of this disgusting song at the first Celtic vs rangers game of the season at ibrox.
Very few i imagine.
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Greentrumpet,
then why has it taken until Tuesday to point out the Tartan army´s overtly homophobic behaviour? I mean why boo Lithuania ??? ... good natured banter or something far more sinister. Anytime that Rangers are poor. The ranks of the Tartan army swells. Nothing new there it´s a simple as that. The anti-Englishness is beyond the pale as well.
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Tom the Tim, I have no problems with Edward Ursus, or anyone else. And I'll debate anything with anyone when the mood takes me. I was just astonished that statement went unchallenged.
Here's another one that caught my eye today...
At 11/09/07 11:09, winningemmell said…
...To me they [Tartan Army] are silly people who boo the Lithuanian national anthem...
What's all this guff about national anthems being sacrosanct? Does anyone really believe this should be the case? I honestly don't see the fuss - surely it is part of the home crowd's job to make their visitors as uncomfortable as possible?
If it's unsporting behaviour we're criticising how about....oh....off the top of my head, 20,000 Celtic supporters jeering and whirling their scarves as Spartak players attempt to take a penalty?
Green Trumpet, playing Devil's Advocaat (and who was birling his scarf like crazy in the Jock Stein Stand).
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correction. Why boo the Lithianian national anthem ? Especially when they were asked not to. Could their possibly be some relationship there to another group whom we know and who have also been asked to refrain from their animal behaviour ?
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Charlie Nicholas states Celtic are his team.
CLICK HERE
I'd say Charlie Bluenose would be a mineshafter around these parts ;-)
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greentrumpet,
It´s not whether they are scarosanct or not that´s not the question. The question is why do you want to behave like a homophobic hun ? so It´s not ok to boo Aiden because he´s "Irish" but it´s ok to boo that anthem ?
This is all very confusing. No wonder lots of us stick to supporting Celtic
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Awe_Naw:
Homophobic behaviour. I must be thick - I honestly don't know what you're referring to in this particular instance.
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GT
We hate Jimmy Hill, he's a 'respected former pro and administrator, latterly football pundit.'
Or 'poof' if you're in the tartan army.
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Sir Paul...
In keeping with my comfortable mantle, of being a fervent Anti-Tergiversator, in respect to any participation by Celtic players,in International Soccer Competitions... here are my thoughts.
There is more than a Fifty-Fifty chance that we shall indeed, lose one, if not more, of our participating players, To INJURY, in the up-coming International confrontations.
Alyss has constantly mentioned this fact.
When those type of odds are used to describe a clash, there is certainly the possibility that they will be accurate ..... In One out of Two.. occasions!
And the delightful Alyss, besides being very knowledgeable, on the subject of Edible Bulbs,is also..
A Present Mistress, in the Art of Probability.
She has, in the past, been an Odds Consultant at various well known establishments, dotted in and around... the City of Venturesome Speculation.
Whenever Alyss propounds(should that no be "Expounds"?....ed)( Yes...but, only on a SUNDAY!)
It shall certainly profit one, to pay attention!
Inattention can be rewarded, by an opportunity... missed!
Being as that may, or not may, be, ...
In keeping with my own personal opinion...
NOTHING, But.. NOTHING...that befalls one, in one's life experience....
IS FOR THE WOIST!
As it.... ODDLY!
ALWAYS, TURNS OUT FOR ... THE BETTAH!
I guess, this particular Philosophy on the vagaries of Life...has been colored by... and is really....if you will...an extrapolation... on a train of thought that found it's birth, in my mind..based on a strange and perplexing fact that I noticed, one day... in the Class-room...as a FIVE- YEAR OLD.
(whit wiz that?../I'm all agog!....ed)(Be patient, and I will tell you!)
We were having a lesson, on the subject of AXIOMS( is that the same thing as Proverbs?...ed)( Na! only the Original, can ever be the "Same".... my answer would be... Axioms are "Similar")
To continue.
Take the following examples, for instance...or not, for instance...it doesn't matter to me.. one way,or another!
Too Many Cooks...... SPOIL THE BROTH!
Many Hands.........MAKE LIGHT WORK!
The More......... THE MERRIER!
Two is Perfect.... THREE'S A CROWD!
Look! Before you Leap!.. HE WHO HESITATES, IS LOST!
Wella! Wella!
Hmmmmmm!( with your kind permission?)
Get it?
Got it"
Good!
( with the permission of , The Boss)
That all being said...
Ergo!
I am quite at ease, in the matter of condition... fitness-wise... of our returnees from their International Confrontations.
THINGS WILL ALWAYS,WOIK OUT ...
FOR THE BETTAH!
This Philosophy, ABERRENT it may be, in some respects....has stood me in good stead(Huh?... surely it must be "stood"...ed)( Beat it, kid, ye bore me!)during the few in number... UPS...and the more numerous... DOWNS... in my life.
What can I tellya? It WOIKS! Don't Knock it!
The very bottom line:
The Out-Come of the Imminent...sorta!... Conflict between ..
Celtic and The Ukrainians?
Don'Ask!
Kojo.
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I met some of the tartan army in Dortmund last year wearing my Hoops. They were over here supporting T&T .. Latapy and Andrews.. the reaction to me wearing my hoops. "What the F. are you doing here wearing that?" ?????
my reaction. I F. live here and I support Celtic. What the F. are you doing here - black man groupies or what ? So tell me why are the Rangers so faeces .... oh the Rangers are faeces ... all Falkirk fans ;-) oh aye I´m sure.
Tried to bite my testicles for organising "you are my Larrson" ditty with some Swedish birds.
"leave that at hame .. leave that at hame, dinny dae any that here"
dinny dae any what exactly
"HELLO HENRIK GHOD LARRSON
... plays for Sweden."
"aye but he´s left Celtic noo .. get wi the program"
.. Not without a frontal labotamy and being neutered and castrated and I´m not your pal
When the Swedish birds asked my if they though that singing Julie Andrews while inebriated was sexy. I told them that back in Scotland it´s the stuff of heroes
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GT,
should be Xenophobic
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TheGreenTrumpet :- Thanks for your reply and your comments. It won't come as a surprise to know that I still disagree with them though :-) Firstly though can I mention that I have never used the "but it's no' just us - there's others just as bad" argument, I have condemned behaviour I think is wrong from Rangers fans several times on here and in other places. My point was more that for some reason when it's Scotland fans different rules apply. If a Rangers crowd were to chant "If you hate the ****** Irish clap your hands" this blog and other places would be full of posts condeming the fans racist chants if however it's Scotland fans chanting "If you hate the ****** English clap your hands" then that is OK and just harmless banter. A week or so ago posters on here complained about homophobic chants against P. Hartley but if Scotland fans chant "we hate Jimmy Hill, He's a poof" again that gets passed of as harmless banter. I think both of these chants would fall foul of UEFA guidlines. There is also the fact that Scotland have been mentioned in the UEFA report after last nights booing of the Lithuanian anthem. Again I'd like to emphasise that I'm not using this to excuse in any way any behaviour or chants from Rangers fans if something is wrong then it is wrong and that should apply to the cuddly friendly tartan army as much as to any club support.
TomTheTim :- I'll admit that I do try to put a positive spin on things that concern Rangers but only if there is a positive to be taken. I have never tried to put any spin or tried damage limitation on racist or sectarian behaviour, nor have I excused violence from Rangers fans at away games. I'm sorry my posts nauseate you but perhaps if you weren't the type of bigot that the last sentence of your post makes me believe you to be then you wouldn't feel quite so bad when a Rangers fan makes points without abuse or rancour
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For those who think the anthem can be booed, take in a game of international rugby. What a quaint thing it is. Silence is the norm when an opponent takes a penalty, and it's pretty much customary to applaud a try by the opponent. And none of the English pundits are sung about in song being a 'poof'.
And the Irish at Murrayfield sing the Fields, which must go against the grain of the SRU, the bigoted SRU who up until twenty-five years ago or so had not capped a Catholic. Course, maybe they weren't good enough. And then there's the members of the Scotland squad gathered in Bar Brel one night belting out hello hello as they left. Er, allegedly.
