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From previous thread.
edb: you're right. Rangers U19 won their league last year by 3 points from us. Our U19's had won it the prev 4. The reserve league (rebranded from U21 in 2003-4) has been won by us for last 6 years.
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With regards to the Celtic youngsters discussion.....What's happened to Islam Feruz ??
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Paul67,
didn't address your post in my desire for first post ! My first one.
Are there any details on what happens to the teams who lose out on the mini-cup competition , i.e the 12 losers out of the 16 ? Do they drop into the Uefa Cup as before ? If so , that means 12 clubs instead of the current 16 will be parachuting in , or will there still be qualifying rounds for CL group stage like there is at the moment? Lots of q's , I know - I'll give you time to respond . Is 1 hr sufficient ? :)
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It's nice to see Luca Santonocito and Tomislav Pavlov played a part. People have criticized our scouting network a bit lately but between them two, Sno, the two Icelandic lads, and the number of Irish guys and possibly the three Trinidad and Tobago, guys they seem like they've been very busy.
BTW the youngsters averaged a goal every 4.7 minutes!
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marty_the_maestro
Apparently Islam is still progressing to be the guaranteed top professional footballer that his obvious talents so far have shown.
I think he's still only 14. I don't think there will be a question about will he make it? The question is will it be with Celtic. He's apparently THAT GOOD.
It'll most likely be down to his family to decide, but only when he's of an age to be held to a contract.
Here's hoping.
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It seems like MP is trying to tweak the old ECWC-which of the 3 old Euro competitions was the easiest to win,due to the variable quality of the teams involved.
While I applaud his reforms of the ECL ie let's have more Champions represented,this seems over-complicated and has as much chance of getting off the ground in November as a 10p rocket thats been tied to Michelle Mcmanus.
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Marty
I think the lad's name is Ishmael not Islam.
Last any of us heard he was still working his way up through the various levels of the youth team structure.
Think it may be U14/U15 level or thereabouts.
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Sannabhoy, congrats on your first, first.
Teams who fail at the first round of the mini-cup competition would drop out of European competition. Teams who lose in the second round would drop to the Uefa Cup.
There will still be qualifying rounds for the CL group stage, but there will only be 6 places available via this route, not 16 as is currently the case.
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Various, from end of last post... sorry, I did indeed get the U19's and U21's achievements back to front, and stand corrected. I do know some of my history, but the Alzheimer's is kicking in a bit now.
Of course, the youths also got stuffed 5-0 by Rangers in last season's Youth Cup Final. So clearly they've progressed a at least a little since then!
I would caution however, that the youth & reserve results quoted on the Celtic website are rarely up to date, and while the same results on the SPL site seem to be up to date, the league tables are not.
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Paul
What happens in the event of a league and cup double?
Would Dunfermline for example last year have had a crack at the Champions league or would it have reverted to the second placed league team?
Either way that scenario makes a mockery of the system. I'm not sure Platini isn't just tinkering to give himself something to do.
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Sounds great, we wont have to qualify any more, as we will go straight into the groups as Scottish champions. No more sticky Spartak ties. There is the added bonus, of us doing the double would also knock Rankers out of the reckoning for CL.
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Marty,
Islam Feruz is indeed progressing very well and has been training with Tom Boyd's under 17s this week,although he still remains part of John Sludden's under 14 squad. The boy undoubtedly has the ability but as Greendog says, he is already attracting attention from major EPL clubs and there was concern that he (and his family) may have moved down there during this summer. Unfortunately, as he has progressed, the boy has also (not unsurprising for a boy his age) started to believe his own hype and has become a very aloof and arrogant young man, who says little or nothing to his team mates.....other than the briefest of mentions of what other clubs are pursuing him.
Hopefully the role Celtic and Tommy B in particular, played in securing his right to remain in this country, will be remembered when it comes to signing a contract but I wouldn't bet on it.
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BlantyreKev - In the event of a double I believe the CL spot would revert to second in the league. Someone mentioned earlier (can't remember who, sorry) the interesting scenario, such as last year, where we could throw the cup final and deny Rangers a CL spot.
As for Platini tinkering to give himself something to do. I believe he was elected with a manifesto based on such policies, he is simply following his promises through.
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Paul...
Not sure if you saw my post on the last thread, but do TV deals have to be from one nation? For example, could we have a joint deal with the Championship. Of course they'd get the lions share but we'd get more than in the SPL deal and the Championship would surely benefit with having us and Rangers included in their TV deal as well as some European games...possibly.
Joining these leagues will never happen and the Premiership don't need us, but could a joint TV deal be possible?
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BlantyreKev, Uefa did not clarify what happens in the event of a league and cup double (perhaps deliberately in order to give them some negotiation room), but I anticipate the place will go to the league runner up.
Geebee1978, interesting thought. There is no reason why leagues could not offer their TV rights as a package.
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I think the English clubs that are in divs 2,3 and 4 got their fingers burned up to their elbows with the last TV deal[ITVDigital]
I think any future deal involving TV and these clubs would have to be absolutely gold-plated.
Is Setanta not a multi-national deal?Or is this a multi-national deal in which all the clubs get a more-or-less equal slice of the pie?
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BlantyreKev....
The runners-up would then go into the draw. Thing is, teams from England and Scotland who win the FA Cup don't often finish outside CL places anyway. Hearts were a one-off and in England you have to go back to Everton 1995 for the last time one of the "Big Four" didn't win it. Daft idea. I though Platini would help the smaller leagues. All he's doing is creating more elitism within the league and killing competition even further in leagues where competition is already scarce.
I originally embraced Platini....now I'm worried.
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Paul
Jist goat in...tell ye aboot it, latah,
But, from whit Ye writ da day...
Pit me doon, AS a Gold-Plated, Jumped-Up, One Hundred Per cent...
.........
MICKEY DA MOOSE PLATINI... HATER!
Like sumbuddy said..... Whit aboot a Double Winner?
Platini is a DODO!... his Voice EMANATES frum... you know where....
He is definitely no da MAN... dat Mabel wid hiv da cheek... TAE BRING TAE DINNAH...even oan a Dare!
HIS idea is Preposteriorious,It is Baldydash, It is Cockypoop...an' may ah add... NAE RIGHT!
Ah INSIST, da Euro Members dinna tak it Lyin' Doon...
An' gie him a Heckava Fight!
Fugetttttttttaboooootit!
collie.
Tail's Awaggin', Tail's Awaggin'
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I think the cup winners' entry to the CL is a good idea in principle.
At least it will increase the number of participants who have the right to call themselves champions.
Plus, you never know when we might need to avail ourselves of this option, some time post GOD when we're going through a one-season re-build and Hibs romp the league.
If nothing else, it will add some much needed spice to national cup competitions.
The first thing I would do with the Scottish Cup would be to make the final an evening kick-off. It wouldn't have to be mid-week, but a night game would be much better for the final.
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Afternoon all,
MP did have some good points about the CL final being at the weekend rather than a Wednesday night to enable families to go. Also only holding the final in a venue with 75,000+ seats makes sense.
However he was talking about reducing the number of seats the sponsors get. While I agree this would be a good idea. will it not force the sponsors away? and with it their cash?
I think the current format and points system is ok and works well which is why the CL is so successfull as a commercial entity.
On a differnt subject. I know our domestic TV rights are worth about £1-2M but what about our international rights? is there any figures available for those?
Why don't we forgo the million or two and give the rights to anybody worldwide who wants to show the games.
The increased audience will lead to more fans worldwide, and we can recoup the loss by charging more for shirt sponsorship ... due to increased exposure??
Just a thought.
Hail Hail
Pob
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Sounds like Platini is Europe's version of Duffield. Problem to be addressed - what to do? - a bit of lip service will do the trick.
Until the Champions League format consists solely of league winners from UEFA's umbrella then it's hardly a Champions League. Platini's daft new concept means that the rich clubs will stay rich & prosper whereas European teams who exist in financially restricted leagues such as ourselves, Red Star Belgrade, Spartak Moscow, IFK Gothenberg, Ajax etc are up right up against it.
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Why would you want a Scottish Cup Final at night?
Cup Final day is one of the best days of the year and the more we can protect traditional 3pm kick offs the better I think, with plenty of time to party after it.
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I think the proposal would finish leagues all over Europe. Top clubs in Holland, Belgium, Portugal along with Scotland would need to united into one league in order to off set the possible financial lose.
As these nations are already up against it in comparison to the rich leagues the almost guarenteed entry in to the Champions League qualification stage is the only thing - that their respective national leagues = have going for them.
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Hi all,
Not sure I like this idea from Mr Platini. Qualifying from the cup winners comp wouldn't be easy, we'd have to beat one of the cup winners of the biggest nations.
I think this is very unlikely to lead to Platini's goal of 'broader geographic representation' at best it will give smaller teams a crack at qualifying since the cup is easier to win than coming second in the league.
Here's a related question; how many coefficient points are we losing this year? What I mean is how many do we need to maintain our current coeficient? And what do we need to do to get that many. Let's ignore the national component, though that should have improved recently.
Regards,
Stuart
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I cant see the Scottish Cup final ever being played at night on a weekend.
Celtic v Rangers after everyone has enjoyed several hours of extra drinking!?!?!?!
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TMC
The day can still be a great day. The party can still go on into the night, but the main course, the game itself, will be more exciting under floodlights.
Just a personal opinion, obviously.
I'm not so hung up on 3.00 pm kick-offs, although I have sympathy with fans who travel from a considerable distance.
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The Cupwinners competition is going to be the'Supertoto'-the Intertoto winners get into the Uefa Cup,the winners of this would get a chance of going straight into the big bucks.
It would be simpler just to decide that if you win your own league,and the league is highly rated,then you will go into the group stage.
Presumably MP wishes to keep the ECL fresh,with lots of new teams featuring,instead of the usual suspects every year.
Except for us,of course.
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Paul
We have a simple policy... it's called...
"It's MY OX!.... and I am as Mad as HECK!"
We have not the SLIGHTEST interest in the PLIGHT of others,
If terms do suit US...Then throw them OUT!
WE ARE ONLY CONCERNED in the matter of,
OUR DRUTHERS!!!!!!!!!
Simple, Really!(Copyright. Da Welsh Dragon)
collie.
Tail's Awaggin', Awaggin'
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This looks like a budget speech! He giveth, he taketh away! The 16 cup teams will come from vastly different leagues. At present Scotland team 2 needs to beat duffer FC and then possiblynotduffer FC to progress. Given the seeding unlikley to play teams from the top 4 leagues.
Under this proposal you would definitely get a team from a top 4 league and also a team from the 4-8 leagues and then a duffer FC.
For the big leagues they will merely see this as intertoto to the CL.
4 progress so you need to beat a Spain and a Portugal to gain entry.
If we don't win the league the route is significantly harder. Always.
I would prefer that the top 24 leagues all get a guaranteed place and the remaining 8 places are played for by other winners and league seconds in the top 24 only.
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Collie, I am not persuaded either way on the proposal.
Stuart, from memory, 23.
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Paul
Ah am Clear in WAN aspect.... dat da STATUS QUO ,suits us tae a "T"!
As ye know darn well,da wey things ur.....
Each Year, fur CELTIC, tae be qualified fur a CL PLACE...
IS A STEADY GUARANTEE!
We ur Blessed tae be in a Two Hoarse Race,
It's Eech or Aye...we'll BAITH QUALIFY!
Life is Good!...Things ur RIGHT!
Na, my advice tae Mick Da Moose....
"AWA' an' FLY YER KITE!"
collie.
Tail's Awaggin', Awaggin'
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Sounds like tinkering for the sake of tinkering. Complete nonsense if you ask me. Bring back the Cup Winners Cup or give the Cup Winners automatic entry into the UEFA cup. The CL is for Champions.
On the bright side for the dark side, they would continue to have a chance of getting into the CL as the cup runners up rather than as League runners up. They will be all for it.
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Being drawn against Milan, Benfica & Donetsk does leave the CL open to accusations of becoming repetitive.
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Looking at this year's CL group qualifers I'm sure Platini would like to see only 3 teams from England, Italy & Spain with 2 from Germany & Portugal. Ideally they'd be replaced by teams from countires like Belgium, Denmark, Serbia, Sweden etc
The big leagues aren't going to vote for this and there would be the threat of breakaway if it were imposed upon them.
So he's trying to engineer something whereby the stronger nations' representatives include weaker teams who are more like likely to fall in the qualifying stages.
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Paul67. Cheers for that.
Stuart. agree with Paul67. From the wonderful Bert Kassie , our current co-efficient is 62.064 which drops by 23.4 points next year (that's the end of the Seville effect). We've already earned 3.9 points this year (far group stage qualification) so have a provisional co-efficient of 42.5 putting us in 39th place. Worrying , we are going to drop another 15.4 points next year and the effects of Artmedia are going to be felt until 2011 !!
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Just back from vacation and been lurking a lot recently, some punters on here seem tae have a lot of time on their hands, so this is from the last thread:
• At 06/09/07 12:20, Sannabhoy said…
tmc: at the risk of turning this into a trip down memory lane (maybe I did that already with the general topic) , you'll know/remember the old RNTF social club (Torpedo)
*quite a Tim stronghold at one time although they would have had problems getting a job in the factory, the oul Vale Celtic bus used tae leave from Gilmour Street and the Lomond fae Hill Street so the Torpedo Club was a good meeting place as well as cheap drink and plonk over the counter.
I noticed you mentioned going tae St Michaels, so I thought you might be interested in this wee story. Last week I was on holiday on the Outer Banks of North Carolina, its way out in the Atlantic, nae commercialism and closest I’ve seen tae Connemara.
I was walking up to the pier one afternoon when I noticed this van with a “cannae whack a cannae Scot” or words tae that effect sticker on it. The license plates were Virginia but were personalized with “From Rhu”, (mine are SVN WAN incidentally) couple of days later I spotted it again outside a house round the corner from where we were staying. I contacted the wee red heided lassie who owned it and said “yer a long way fae Rhu”, “where you from she asked”, “Balloch” I replied “I’m from Dumbarton” she said “so’s my wife said I, where aboots in Dumbarton” “Castlehill, “so’s my wife” as soon as I said that she then said “Rathlin Terace”, when she told me her name, (which is similar to a meal that EDB and Shug will be sharing on Friday) I then figured she went tae Clerkhil which she did via St Michaels, she has two uncles that are priests and her oul Grampa was a Pass Keeper at St Michaels for years, she then related that she had been talking to her da the night before and we were through on penalties. They are living in Washington but are returning next year, small world right enough.
Anyway back tae the sellick, first game, I cannae remember but it would have been a team that contained Charles Patrick, the Juggler, Smiler, the Wee Barra and big Hooky.
First game I kind of remember was against the huns at CP, might have been a reserve match, a huge crowd was there as it was the Monday of the September weekend, I was off school as the Vale took the Glasgow Holiday while Dumbarton had their own. As most of the older members of the family were at school in Dumbarton I was on my own so my mother, father, aunt and uncle took me to the Hamilton Races, Parkheid and the Five Past Eight Show at the Alhambra. My only memory of this is that Peter Goldie was playing for us (my uncle used tae run the Vale Emmet Juveniles which Peter played for before moving on to Duntocher Hibs and then Celtic) and I think it ended 2-2.
The first game I really recall was 50 year ago this month, the semis of the League Cup against Clyde over in Govan, we won 4-2 after Clyde clawed us back twice. When I got home that night elated my da was sitting on the chair in front of the tele singing to the tune of the Pat Boone hit of the time “on a day like today we passed the time away watching Celtic from the stand, oh how we laughed and we cried when Clyde equalized watching Celtic from the stand”.
There was also the opening of the Boagheid lights in there somewhere, I was prvileged with a stand seat that night, Charles Patrick turned on all the tricks think the score might have been 4-2. I was going tae the Millburn and Boagheid at that time as Glesca was too far away for a wee Bhoy tae go by himself, I was at the Millburn on the 19th of October 1957, a punter had this big "portable radio" as they were called then and every time we scored he would switch over tae the England/Wales Home International then back again and we would score another. My mother came tae pick me up after the game and I recall running up tae her shouting "Celtic won 7-1", she just laughed and thought someone was kidding me on.
My first “real” hun game was a 2-2 tie again over in Govan where big Frank let a last minute shot slip under his body at the Copland Road end, he lived on Copland Road, think that game might have instigated the chant of Haffey, Haffey, Haffey fae them.
Next one after that was the 0-4 going on ten disaster, Paddy Crerand’s last game, I still wasn’t allowed tae go tae these games alone but I sneaked up myself, when my da found out the only reason he never thumped me was because he saw that I had been beat up enough that day.
The trend continued with a 0-2 loss in the Scottish at the same venue, by this time I was working for the nation's largest home builder so I could fgo on my own now, it wasn’t until the 33rd Anniversary of John Thomson’s fatal injury that I witnessed my first hun victory, 3-1 in the pouring rain at Celtic Park when Charlie Gallagher missed a penalty and the Bear had a wonder goal chlaked off, we were signing and dancing for days after that, well that was until the following Wednesday when in true Celtic fashion we lost 0-2 at Methill in the first leg of the League Cup quarters.
That result was overturned in the second leg and we were playing quite well until the final were we lost 1-2 tae the huns again, with a disputed Bobby Murdoch shot which we claimed was over the line and the press in their “wisdom” showed pictures indicating it wasn’t, after that it was all downhill and the following January we once again lost in Govan 0-1 with the Wee Mhan being sent off for retaliation on Tottie Beck and Chopper missing a last minute penalty, little did we know that before the month was out the Big Mhan would be making his way back home again to Paradise.
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Platini is Sepp Blatter's man. With Blatter's support he engineered a victory over SB's old foe Lennart Johansson. A major plank in his election platform was a reform of the CL aimed at the middle to lower-ranking nations. Now its time to deliver and the stage is set for a fight. In the background of this struggle is the club v country supremacy argument. Almost time for clubs and associations to choose sides.
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Just flying by.
Re the Platini proposal, this is as much to do with football as synchronised swimming has to do with the construction industry.
Michel Paltini is Sepp Blatter's man, and coupled with Platini's smooth campaign of pretend egalatarianism and accountability, essentially Blatter 'won' power through calling in favours from national associations in return for positions on FIFA, the Olympic association, and awarding of FIFA sponsored tournaments. Spain, Germany, France, and Italy are hugely beholden to Blatter.
England less so, but after the John McBeth fiasco, there is also a symbiotic relationship being nurtured.
Sepp has a big problem in that the Champions league imperfect as it is, presents the a massive hurdle to FIFA's hegemony and his own insatiable avarice.
He still wants a bi-annual world cup and within the next year or so he will return to the table with that.
Till now it was impossible as Johannson's European allies ensured that they remained in the ascendency and that the UEFA cup and CL continued as unimpeachable.
But MP, having been Sepp's sidekick at FIFA, has now created his own organisational structure who are equally beholden to his largesse.
This support allows him to propose a blatter agenda which disingenuously claims to be for the good of European football.
With his appointees returning his investment i.e. those who see personal and organisational benefit (the football associations and not the leagues) it is likely that Blatter's agenda will be ratified.
This will shift the power base away from the G18, The European Forum, and the club structure (not bad) to the national associations, national teams and FIFA (not good).
The football support is already being ignored as political manipulation and power mad dictators, smear on their greasy superficial smiles, dribble their insincere falsehoods, and spit on our game and us behind our backs.
Platini leads the charge and with such luminaries as David Taylor and his beggar thy neighbour sycophants at the SFA and in the Scottish media, watch out for the stamp, stamp, stamp of the approval's rubber stamp, staining the game with its genuflecting cowardice.
If the supporters do not rise against this, then we have may have little option other than to root for the power of the G18 and the megalomaniacs who control them.
If ever there was a case of 'least worse' then this may be it.
This is where the quest for power and the blinkered race for Mammon's millions has brought us.
Hail Hail
Estadio (disillusionedCSC)
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I was having a chat in the pub last night and basically we agreed that one of the things that made football 'special' as a sport was that small teams can win against big teams. This was especially true in cup competitions.
Now if MP gets his way we could see Scotland being represented by Gretna in the CL qualifiers. Not a pretty sight.
My understanding was that he stood on a platform of making the CL fairer for smaller countries. More champions getting in from more countries and less runners up from big countries.
This proposal does not seem to make any sense at all. Cup winners are not champions, they are cup winners, and often can be smaller teams who have punched above their weight in the competition.
Does this justify them getting into the CL ahead of the second place team in any league?
Not in my opinion it doesn't. If the CL is not soley for Champions then surely it should be for the best teams from each of the countries. Not plucky little Grenta, or worse still Airdrie.
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To be honest I can't see this ever coming to fruition, I think the big clubs, G18, will not stand for it. We have already had the usual soundbites from the likes of Frguson, Wenger at al saying that it makes no sense and is not "for the good of the game".
To be honest if UEFA/Michel Platini push this one through then we are a couple of steps closer to the European League we talk about.
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Is it true Killie chairman confirmed claims Naiselmyth did not give £75k of his fee and in fact it was wiaved in order to help TFOD get to near 2Mill Lira ?.
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Esatdio :- I agree with almost all you say and you say it far better than I could, one quibble I have is where you describe the sycophantic associations, that's fair enough, some blame however also lies with fans. When J. McBeth dared to tell the truth rather than join the sycophants he was attacked on this board as being racist. (should only white associations be held to account?)What good does it do an honest man to speak out if you loses his job to public outcry over it?
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I think that Estadio is onto something - this smacks of some unholy alliance with the national football associations to try and restore some prestige to the national cup competition in return for their ongoing support.
Certainly in Scotland and England, the league and the cup are run by different bodies (I assume so in many other countries also?) with the league and the clubs being in the ascendency.
There is no doubt that the cup competitions are now treated with disdain by many clubs who largely field reserves.
From a purely selfish point of view, MP's plan is a very risky scenario for Celtic.
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Edward while it is true some called him raacist on this, and other, boards there were also plenty saying he spoke the truth but was an idiot for saying it in such a way at that time. Many, like myself had read "Foul" and read of the games Warner, Blatter etc played. The point is though if anyone is going to do anything about this, from the inside, they ned to be able to play the political game.
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Edward.
Spot on.
The compliance of the fans in everything that happens is an absolute.
If we didn't attend, didn't buy the overhyped television coverage, or protested in the car-parks across europe, the current power bases would evaporate and those without football's interests would slink back into the shadows.
We have like the elephant, been eaten in small bites and we may have lost the battle for football's soul.
On side issue, I dropped a text to Noel the other day while I was in one of my more reflective (6 pints of Guinness moods).
Although I am a fervent C(K)eltic, socialist, republican, nationalist, egalitarian, if independence means that Andy Gray would return to inflict his 'talents' in this fair country, I may have to consider voting Tor...(no I still can't type it)
hail hail
Estadio
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Sorry Edward,
Forgot to say that McBeth was no Racist. His analysis of what was/is happening in Africa and the Caribbean hit the bullseye.
He frightened the powers, and they used their contacts to ensure that the press was scathing of him.
Scotland's media failed miserably again.
Hail hail
Estadio
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Estadio
Beats me how you can't bring yourself to type 'Tory', but 'Andy Gr**' seems to be no problem???
Still savour his reaction on Sky after the 6-2 game!!!!
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Andycolo,
Totally agree although I would have said 'politically naive' rather than 'idiot'.
But that's because I'm a coward and he may come round and batter (as opposed to Blatter) me.
Just one other quick one.
MP has stated in the last week that unless anyone proposes something 'better', and he can see nothing better, the proposal WILL be accepted.
Please explain how he can know how the vote will go?
Hail Hail
Estadio
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Andycolo :- You are correct, I recall quite a few fans posting along the lines you say. What surprised me at the time about the attacks were the vitreol, he said something about a foreign association, it was a black association therefore he must be racist. None of the attackers paused to wonder if he may be right. I think football has shot itself badly in the foot over it's handling of it.
Estadio :- Again you hit the nail on the head, if fans wanted to they could stop things dead in the water. To paraphrase an old anti-war saying, imagine if they held a competition and no one watched.
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Miketw10
I apologise!
You are right.
I am trying to convince myself that I didn't want anyone to think I was referring to Andy Gregory (who lives round the corner from me.
I Promise not to do it again.
Sharkey's calls.
hail hail
Estadio
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'Tis a far far better thing I do, than to agree to live in the same country as that eejit, (AG) rather than inflict him upon Scotland again. 80)
Edward/Estadio
If a whole nation can stand idly by while Thatcherism was allowed to pillage the rest of us, (Aided, of course by the 'invisible' government);
I hardly think that the consumerism it caused will have us out on the streets in protest!!!
Unfortunate, but that's how it is...
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If this Platini idea goes through it will herald the end of the League Cup.
As it is we should always field fringe and reserve players in the LC.It matters not a jot if we lose, but like Arsenal it is a chance to see if the players are good enough.
As we become more used to Europe we need and rely less on domestic cups.
They are fine if you are not doing well in the league,but I would take Rangers winning the Cup double if we win the League every year.
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what is it about Celtic and bad art ?
The clubs selling some excruciating picture of the Lisbon Lions, that quite frankly, is a bit of a beamer.
Of course as I walk through Hanif towers glancing at my fabulous impeccable collection of modern art, I often have to losen my cravat and wonder just who is the curator at the Celtic shop.
I don't know much about Art, but I know his saves a mean penalty
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Mike
Some of us didn't stand idly by, but we were small men whose voices were ignored as the tide of opportunism flooded in.
Many of us had to recover as best we could from the stigma of personal disaster we were branded with as the establishment rounded viciously on dissent.
I'll keep shouting irrespective of the numbers who mutely concur that the scramble for the pot of fools' gold is more beautiful than the rainbow.
Sharkeys def now.
Hail Hail
Estadio.
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Estadio...
I agree, but I meant in general terms. Broke my heart, living down here among the amoral.
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Very interesting Paul. An even bigger worry would be Scotland dropping to 13th or lower. I assume the other 6 places will come from winners of qualifiers of champions from countries 13th and below. Any details?
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Bryce, 22 entrants come from countries 1-12.
Four teams come from the mini-cup competition for cup winners and six come from the CL qualification rounds, which is open to teams from the smaller leagues as well as teams from the larger leagues who do not get automatic entry into the group stage.
Finishing 13th is a danger, we need to outperform Belgium and Turkey, both of whom are in worse shape than Scotland.
On another subject....
It's going to be a busy day on Celtic Quick News tomorrow.
Hmmm.
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Right, look out world.
Turra's auldest and baldest superhero, is finally on holiday, and heading to the big smoke tomorrow! Woo! Hoo! Better lock up yer sheep, cos there are a heap of Dons supporters heading down wi' me!
By the way, in the UEFA website, Champions League section, standings - they have Group D looking like this -
Celtic
Milan
Benfica
Shakhtar
Can we stop the music now please?
Lurcy
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Paul...
Any clues? Ball park?
Has Gordon got a major announcement at his press meeting?
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Curly,
By big smoke, do you mean my gaff?
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Curly, enjoy.
Mike, no clues, I would only end up getting the article dragged out of me word at a time - and I've still got to write it up, so I will not be looking in much tonight.
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Mike -
Coming from Turra, "The Big Smoke" could refer to almost any patch of semi-civilisation in the world. However in this instance, I am refering to the home of the CHAMPIONS of Scotland.
I can just about do "Howzitgaun?", but don't stand a chance with "Gordon Bennett, got a new mota?"
Fit Like frae bonny Turra
Ycrul
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Hi Paul, fellow CQNers......
Just back from holiday today, (I left just after the Moscow game)what's been going on in Celtic cyber world?
Thanks to Noel, who kept me up to date over the last few days of the transfer window, I thought he was winding me up and I would waken up on Saturday morning with a load of text messages....but no.
No more players in...Oh well, on words and up words.....I was happy with the CL draw, bring them on.
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MP is pandering to national FA's with this idea. The French FA have been trying for years to add glamour to the French Cup in order to make lots more money from the tv and sponsors. TF1 shows most of the French Cup games, but since the CL came into being, the Cup has lost it's sparkle and the sponsors are paying accordingly.
The same situation exists in all the Big 5 countries.
By pretending to give something to the minnows, he is in fact boosting the finances of the big guns. More sponsorship cash means bigger payouts to semi-finalists and winners etc.
I hope his idea is kicked out pronto. I thought MP would be a breath of fresh air, but so far his ideas are backward thinking , not progressive. Unless he comes up with something good soon, then many observers in France will lose faith in him and his ability to deliver real change in football.
Btw, Canal Plus in France has just announced that they will be negotiating DOWN their new tv contract up for grabs next year. Currently at 600M € a year, they say it is poor value, as subscribers and viewing figures have not met targets. (They also merged with their only competitor last year.....).
If the cash cow starts to play hard-ball, some French clubs might be in for tougher times ahead.
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Paul 67 -
I that a good news busy day or a Graveson busy day ?
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Curly,
I thought you might be referring to this
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Apologise for not responding quicker,thanks for the acknowledgement and kind words from iaininjesi, Awe_Naw_No_Annoni_Oan_Anaw_Noo 20.19
Welcome and thanks The Fundamentalist 20.51
mr angry 20.32 you are right i was spoiling for a fight pre match Spartak.
In mitigation the clock was ticking towards kick off adrenaline/testosterone/blood was coursing thru ma veins,the negativity on Clyde pre match got ma dander up,.... ah should have ignored it.
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Paul -
Thanks, certainly I normally enjoy myself when down in Glasgow!
Mike -
Thankfully no. Having worked offshore for 25 years, and 6 years before that on oil and chemical tankers, I have what may be called a more than healthy respect for fire.
Right, time to get ready for the forthcoming trials by alcohol. Darts season starts tonight, which will ease me gently into the next 7 days!! Need to line the barrel with some food methinks.
Rycul
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Have to say I'm more than a little disappointed with M Platini so far. I thought he would offer a bit more of a direct challenge to the bigger clubs. What's wrong with cutting their allocation to two teams, and making it easier for the champs of Malta, Slovakia, Sweden, Denmark etc to enter the CL in place of EPL team number 3 & 4?
Instead, we have a fudge which will disproportionately disadvantage countries like Scotland, whilst being only a minor irritant to the big leagues.
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Paul
Is it news regarding PL? Is he moving on?
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Celtic First
As well as moving the kick off time for the SCF you would need to move the month. It's still light until nearly 10 at night in Glasgow in May. Floodlights not required.
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Could the news be the sale of Celtic shares by the majority shareholder? With the debt almost Zero and the club running at a profit, this maybe a good time for D.D. to sell his shares?
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piratecnic
Long time lurker
I am sorry to start on a discordant note but I think also a positive one.
I don’t agree with the support by earlier posters about McBeth.
Excerpt from McBeth’s speech
“By and large, the four British countries know what fair play is and when we are stepping out of line.
"But, as soon as you hit Africa, it's a slightly different kettle of fish. They're poor nations and want to grab what they can.
"I presume the Caribbean is much the same - they just come at it in a different way."
What’s not racist about what McBeth said?
Even if he confined his comments to his reference to ‘British countries’, these remarks, aside from being patently untrue, would also have been racist – he infers favourable comparison with these British countries as opposed to others as regards their sense of fair play. He also seems to have unwittingly dredged up in his fateful musings that hackneyed old oxymoron, British justice.
The derogatory references to West Indian and African countries were not only racist they were crass.
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Maybe Paul will offer a prize to whoever is first to come up with the right subject matter.
A day in the Whistlin Kirk wae Estadio would be a prize to treasure.
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Piratecnic :- They were also true, should he have failed to mention them because of their geougraphic location?
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My vote is for the name of the training ground to be announced tomorrow.
Either that or the long promised 'big' announcement.
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Hanif
Do you think there is a serious market for good Celtic art. And i don't mean prints, I mean original? Serious question, through self-interest.
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Paul
Do you think Platini will look at how the co-efficients are worked out?
Last season Rangers won more co-efficient points than us, as did Hapoel Tel Aviv.
Surely more points should be gained for winning/drawing in the CL than UEFA cup.
I would also think the qualifying rounds of the CL need looked at.
I think I'm right in saying Celtic and Spartak were both ranked higher than Rangers and Red Star.
If they are wanting the best teams through surely a draw where top seed plays bottom seed etc is best.
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Piratecnic.....
& too hell with the truth !
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EdwardUrsus - can you direct me to the investigation(s) that were carried out on all African & Caribbean countries - where they were found guilty of corruption?
McBeth may not be racist - but his comments were a slur on a whole region of the world. The Imperial reference worsened an already serious error of judgement for the soon-to-be-appointed FIFA vice-president.
"The British have an attitude of fair play but sometimes the Empire didn't play fair and that's coming back on us" ....... defies explanation in this context.
If McBeth had wanted to do some good he could have initiated investigations from within - instead he managed to be thrown out before he'd signed in.
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Stadium naming tomorrow??
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A busy day on cqn
If a club release a player from their contract and make him a free agent it could very well be a transfer !!!!!!!!!!!!!but my wild card guess is
An announcement that the old Lennox Castle on the new training ground to be upgraded to a quality hotel of a standard capable of hosting visiting euro teams and eclipsing moonbeam park totally
affthemarkbymiles csc
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Paul
Is it the long lost investment you briefly mentioned way way back in January?
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CubistFunk :- I did not mean to allude to all African and Caribean nations I worded it badly. If you are looking for evidence of football corruption in the areas mentioned the best place to start is the book Foul by Andrew Jennings.
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Ad from Channel67 at the bottom of the page... Is that recent or have I been sleeping?
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Paul67:
"On another subject....
It's going to be a busy day on Celtic Quick News tomorrow.
Hmmm"
The blog usually gets its most posts when there is bad news (e.g. following a defeat), so I think we have bad news coming :(
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I guess the announcement sounds too big to be Hatem Trabelsi signing - think he's gone to LeMans.
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Tobi, emu, lovejoy, Greendog, mickybhoy, Mike, tune in lunchtime tomorrow.
Welcome Piratecnic.
Lostrambling, the coefficients have been changed twice in the last four years and I think the elevation of Romania over Germany should cause them to be re-examined.
Bloke109, you have not been sleeping, the ads appeared late last night.
Celtic have (quite rightly) been leaning on sites for links to their Intellectual Property. I suggested that if they want people to go to C67 they make ads available to sites like CQN and others. I know a few sites were keen to participate. And no, this is a pro bono ad.
I will plan to refer people to C67 when links are posted in future.
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A busy day on CQN may not mean a busy day for Celtic.
Something on Moonbeams finances...?
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Paul
Good stuff. Can I pry and ask the nature of the pro bono? CQN exposure on Celtic sites, or goodwill?
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John McBeth's comments may or may not have been racist, but he is more likely to have been guilty of committing the "Fallacy of the Hasty Generalisation".
He was certainly politically naive with his comments being made before assuming the post. That the West Indian federation COCNCACAF has major corrupt elements, is well documented and beyond dispute.
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Maybe the big announcement is that we have finally bridged the "mineshaft gap" with Edward's team.
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Paul -
All I'm asking is good or bad ?
I need to know whether to have Buckie or valium ready.
