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First in the door?
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Now can I get a tour?
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Now I'll read the post?
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Did SMcmanus expand on what aspects of Barrowfield they would miss?
Steelica-for jumping on the iPodium without reading the article you should be banished to some English non-league blog;~'
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I'll also admit to taking performance enhancing stuff and will graciously hand back my medals as long as you can find it in your heart to forgive me. Sob! Sob!
Seriously Paul67 are there planned tours of the facilities for the supporters?
Lets hope the sports injury recover unit is efficient and effective and then not over employed too often.
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DBBIA
Maybe the burger van on the way along to it from Celtic Park?
Is Celtic FC Training Centre the final name? What know ego massaging for Desmond or Quinn? I'm surprised we haven't received more criticism for 'abandoning' the east end for this move anyway! We never were 'Glasgow' Celtic anyway!!!!
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TMC-Time for a new verse:
'And most of football's greats
have walked through
Celtic FC Training Centre's gates
To play football the Lennoxtown Celtic way'
Barrowfield and the great players who have trained there would be very evocative to someone as rooted in Celtic tradition as SMcmanus.For all its faults it'll be a tough at to follow.
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DBBIA
Much as I like that song the use of Parkhead and Glasgow does annoy me - I get over it though!!!!
The Training Ground certainly looks good from a distance, I bet Campsie Golf Club will be happy with the move - unless it's mandatory afternoon study for our heroes!
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Although in one of the photos it looks like Tommy Burns has lost his contacts again!
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Paul67,
When will the first training session be at Lennoxtown? Any talk of what we will do with Barrowfield in the near future? This must have been a proud day for our Chairman and one I am sure he was hanging on to see the official opening. Surprised there was no naming announced today.
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Just as a torrid and stimulating debate was raging on the politics and traditions that are intertwined with supporting Celtic along came a new thread.
So apologies for reposting this:
Sean South said...
Big Wavy at 12.31:Congratulations on your superb debating skills and well-reasoned response.
You made your case for the defence with outstanding clarity and I think both strands of conflicting opinion have been made clear without too much of a slanging match (well the sanctimonious jibe was a tad spiky).
The debate I think has shown that CQN can be a platform for intelligent and enlightening discussion even on the most divisive and sensitive of subjects.
I, of course, will agree to disagree with you on some issues.
But that little frank exchange of conflicting views shows there is far more unites us than divides us.
But I do have more empathy with Kano's view.
09/10/07 13:55
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Great that the new training centre is now open but sad in a way.
The day before the Milan game I took my 2 nephews to the ground and done the stadium tour etc. It was a great day to do it as there was a right good buzz about the place, with all the media like Sky etc setting up for the big game.
The biggest plus point was they got the photos taken with 10 of the squad as they were all mulling about. We even interrupted Gordon Strachan showing some of the players a video of Milan.
I really hope they do some sort of tour of Lennoxtown as days like this are great for the young ins (and the thirty something’s).
Paul67 – who asked such a stupid question ?
“how finally opening the training ground compared to Celtic reaching the Uefa Cup Final in 2003”
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Sean South - Thanks for the post fella. You’re a gentleman sir. Well said and apologies for the wee drop of mud I sent your way. Keep telling it as you see it.
Kano - Thanks. I appreciate there were a raft of options to us and believe me my views on Campbell and his track record in the North would be unprintable here. I just think in this circumstance I can find little fault in the chairman proactively doing something to keep the good name of the club to the fore. Appreciate judgement calls can be a thin line between success and failure.
Piratechnic said - That you present this as some sort of fait accompli suggests that you agree that it should be so. Apart from being completely inaccurate - Irish rebel songs are not sectarian - you are falling into the trap that you seek to avoid - you are tarring both sets of supporters with the same brush.
Big Wavy - I don't suggest anything of the sort fella. I see us clearly as inclusive in our ethos. However, I'm a pragmatist. I suggest that Joe Public can't comprehend the difference in the subtleties between irish rebel songs and sectarian songs and we are on a hiding to nothing in the public domain on it. Like it or not but we have to be squeaky clean. I feel we shouldn't take on battles we can't possibly win so would decide not to have that particular battle. We have a long songbook of great celtic songs. Let's stick to those and let 'them' combust upon themselves on the sectarian issue.
"Hope that helps."
Piratecnic - Not really. Instead of seeing the incident as some sort of point scoring clamber for the moral high ground - how dignified is that? -comparing ourselves to that shower?- Celtic should publicly lecture Campbell on the countless incidents of routine anti Catholic abuse and assault meted out by his voters and co-religionists on their journeys back and forward to Ireland. Any non Orange or Unionist supporter who has had the misfortune to travel on a boat loaded with Rangers or Orange Order supporters will know immediately what I am talking about.
Big Wavy - Been on that boat countless times. Know the story very well. I'm not about countless point scoring with them but an incident has occurred and I feel we should be back on the front foot because we have a good story to tell. As that man who is hearing it is also an unreconstructed bigot, I think it is vitally important that we challenge any chance he has of creating a hidden agenda to besmirch the club with the actions of a few.
Now, how magnificent does our new training centre look ???
Big Wavy
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An interesting story on the Associated Press wires today shows that there is simply no way of keeping politics out of sport.
Appointing war-monger John Reid as Celtic chairman may yet bring us an Islamic backlash- which would be ironic given the political make-up of a large section of our support.
This is the AP story:
By KIRSTEN GRIESHABER, Associated Press Writer
" BERLIN (AP) — An Iranian-born German soccer player's refusal to play in Israel has sparked a public outcry in Germany, with Jewish leaders calling Tuesday for his exclusion from the German national team.
Ashkan Dejagah, who moved to Germany as a child, pulled out of Friday's game in Tel Aviv — a qualification match for the European Under-21 Championship — citing political reasons.
"I have more Iranian than German blood in my veins. I am doing it out of respect. After all, my parents are Iranian," the 21-year-old midfielder told the Berlin daily tabloid B.Z.
The German soccer federation has accepted his decision not to participate in the game.
"I have accepted the coach's decision because he explained to me that the player has personal reasons for his decision," association President Theo Zwanziger said in a statement posted to the federation Web site. He did not immediately return repeated calls for comment Tuesday.
The president of the Central Council of Jews in Germany, Charlotte Knobloch, called Dejagah's behavior "deeply unsportsmanlike."
Germany is "aware of its historical responsibility ... and it would be a big affront if this anti-Israeli behavior would be tolerated," Knobloch said in a statement. "I therefore expect the (soccer federation) to exclude the player from the German national team."
The vice president of the Central Council, Dieter Graumann, told Spiegel Online it was unthinkable for a German national player to wage a private boycott against Israel.
It is not the first time that an Iranian athlete has refused to compete in Israel, a country whose existence the hard-line Islamic regime in Iran has long refused to recognize. In recent months, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has drawn international criticism for publicly questioning the Nazi Holocaust and for calling for Israel to be "wiped off the map."
In 2004, Bayern Munich played a Champions League game against Maccabi Tel Aviv without a key Iranian player who had been warned by his country not to travel to the Jewish state.
The Iranian sports federation had said striker Vahid Hashemian would face consequences at home if he traveled to Israel.
Hashemian's official reason for not attending the game was a back injury.
During the 2004 Olympics Games in Athens, an Iranian judo champion reportedly said he wouldn't fight an Israeli opponent, then claimed he was too overweight for the bout with Israel's Ehud Vaks.
He was disqualified. The International Judo Federation later concluded that he was not overweight.
At the 2001 judo world championships, Mahed Malekmohammadi of Iran did not compete against Yoel Razvozov of Israel. "
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I stand by... 'Stoir Mha Chroi'... for Barrowfields successor.
Don't know if I can stand by the spelling though.
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So we've built a Stoir Mha Chroi to heaven?
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DBBIA,
if I get a ticket for the Rangers game I'll be building one to the boozer if you guys are going to be about.
Smashin Milk Bottles
when I get access to my emails I'll give you a call. MT sent me your number. Just can't get in to get it.
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Kitalba-when are you returning to Australia?
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Kitalba
are you going to Lisbon?
let me know
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Kitalba
are you going to Lisbon?
let me know
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Paul Hartley has ruled himself out of both Scotland games against Ukraine on Saturday and Georgia a week on Wednesday with a hamstring injury which was fairly obvious anyway.
Gary Caldwell, however, only ruled out of the the Ukraine game at this stage with knee and ankle problems.
Must hope McLeish doesn't try to risk him against Georgia ahead of the Rangers match the following Saturday.
We need Caldwell to play emergency right back in that game and probably in the next CL match at Benfica.
If he is out there is little option but to play Kennedy at right back and either O'Dea or Balde in the middle.
Hartley I'm told might still have an outside chance of making Lisbon on October 24.
But Hartley definitely be fit for the return with Benfica at Celtic Park on November 6.
My team for Ibrox would be in a 4-5-1 formation:
Boruc;
Caldwell, Kennedy, McManus, Naylor;
Nakamura, Brown, Sno, Donati, Jarosik;
McDonald.
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Sean South,
Ibrox formation is harsh on Aiden and he's been in good form. A player who they would not relish running at them.
I counter your 4-5-1 with the following "horses-for-courses play to our strengths" formation :
Artur,
Gary, Bobo, Mick, Lee
Aiden, Brown, Donati, Naka
Jan, Skippy
Hartley and JJ to play parts in Lisbon in more defensive display.
big Wavy
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SeanSouth
Many Celtic fans support the war against terror me being one.
The more AlQaeda scumbags who get caught and punished so much the better.
I suupose you were a crawling provy apologist when ahem ,"civilians" were blown to bits by Gerry and Martin.
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Collie dug
When you git oot yir basket
Will you kindly call
Robin Van Persie
Robin Van Poisy
Thanks in advance
WoofGrowl
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benny,
"war on terror" so you support torture and murder of civilians?
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I think Jarosik and McGeady have to start at Ibrox, I'd consider McGeady in the role that Brown played against Milan (assuming no JVofH) as I think we need to pressure Thompson and Hemdani. Although those two are competent players, neither is interested in any responsibility and we can back them into a corner.
We can name their team with 100% confidence, they can't say the same for us so we have to get it right.
Sno is an interesting option, though it's alot of pressure on his young shoulders to take on Ferguson.
If I was a Rangers supporter I'd be praying for Bobo Balde to play, no games since last christmas? Would be absolute folly to even consider him. The main physical challenges are Caldwell v McCulloch (Rangers Plan A, B and C) and Hutton / Whittaker v Naylor (needs added protection).
Celtic will not lose.
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Big Wavy: What would concern me with the four man midfield you select is that Brown apart I think we could get steam-rollered physically.
I am genuinely worried about Donati for that game. He was anonymous against Gretna and I am not sure his languid style is right for this match unless he is offered an extra layer of protection.
For the same reason I don't know if we can be too attacking with both Aidan and Naka.
I know it would be harsh on an in-form Aiden. But I think we have to go with just one wide man and perhaps switch them during the game.
Jarosik and Sno I believe give us extra height an strength which could be vital against the Govan hammer-throwers.
By the same logic I would like to have had Balde in but his lack of match practice makes him a risk now.
Right now I would settle for a draw that would maintain the three point lead over them.
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No I dont but Gerry and Martin actively encouraged it.
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benny
but how can you support the war on terror without supoprting torture and the murder of civilians. these are central elements of the yer "war on terror"
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Sean,
I would not be surprised if Bobo made a one off appearance against our 3rd placed neighbours - he would be under instruction to clear his lines at all times.
Aiden and Naka should not be in the same line up at ibrox - they will be hammering into us at every turn - light weights should be limited to a minimum.
I think Gordon has a wee ace up his sleeve for the next league game.
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I guess Benny is a crawling yank/brit apologist who doesn't mind the fact that innocent civilians are still being blown to pieces in Afganhistan and Iraq.....
Benny you and many other Celtic fans may support the war on terror but at the end of the day many people (not just Celtic fans) don't.
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Benny et al, this is a FOOTBALL, specifically CELTIC FC blog - wanna leave the political bullsh*t where it belongs please!?
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I support democracy over fanatics who would have your head and mine on a spike.
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Malcolm...
Re Van Persie... Clapham Common?
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mTW10-I've replied to your e-maol.Sorry for the delay-I've been Evundered at work;~@
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Sean,
Fair point on the brawn factor, I suppose Caldwell at right back and Bobo in the middle had me covered there.
Just thought that taking our natural passing game to them would be more effective. Ironically I think if we padded the midfield out with Sno and JJ it would encourage a constant long ball tactic.
Big call on Donati. This is not a game to be caught short in terms of the franticness of the fixture but this is what he came to play in. Sno in there would concern me as he's too prone to slowing down our play down and we need our rhythm.
Don't know if your injury report stretches but what is the scoop with JVOH ? Is he due back by Ibrox ?
Big Wavy
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Wouldn't mind being 'Evundered' myself occasionally. Sounds like fun!!!
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Couldnt agree more Malcolm.
Unfortunately our Chairman elect is being besmirched by some posters on here. I am only reminding them that the majority of Celtic fans dont share their marxist fantasies.
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Sean South
Personally, I feel that Aiden McGeady should start at Ibrox, regardless of which formation wee Gordon decides on.
However, if we were to play a 4-5-1 formation, as you suggest, surely we have the added protection in midfield to make up for the lack of physical presence of McGeady (Brown, Donati and Jarosik would all presumably make up 3 of the 5 man midfield)? With only one up front we would need to make sure we have other attacking options coming from our midfield. Aiden is our best 'out' ball when we are under pressure, as he is one of the few with the ability to carry the ball up the field relieving the pressure on our defence and turning defence into attack, simultaneously.
Ofcourse, football is all about opinions. Mine just happens to be that in a 4-5-1 formation, McGeady is MUST if we don't want to isolate our lone striker.
Hail Hail
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Thats some ego you have their Benny, after all you feel qualifed to speak on the behalf of the majority of Celtic fans.....wow....
Just out of interest, what exactly do you think qualifies you to be able to claim you speak on the behalf of the majority of Celtic fans?
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here's my Marxist Fantasy:
http://www.die-elke.de/sonst/play.html
Katie can get in the back seat of my Trabant anytime.
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"talkinaboot"
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Couldnt agree more Benny, im no Socialist or Lefty but im as Fanatical as anyone about the Hoops.
Was the Assault on the Twin towers not Murder.Dont forget Radical Islam has rather a dim view of the Catholic church.
The right to support Celtic is not restricted to The Galloway Sheridan Kane camp.
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We should have some scope at Ibrox on selection as I anticipate a major shake-up for the Benfica game. Going for our first 3 away points our line-up in lisbon should be :
Boruc, Brown,
Caldwell, Balde, Mick, JFK, Naylor, Cuthbert, O'Dea
Hartley
Skippy
Big Wavy
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Im fed up with some fans who want to portray some kind of identikit Celtic supporter and when you dont fit (and I believe that the majority of fans dont)then you are some kind of uncle tom figure.
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Benny:Your supposition that I am a "crawling provy apologist" is as deeply offensive and unsubstantiated as your wild claim that "civilians" were blown to bits by "Gerry and Martin."
In terms of bad taste these remarks reach a new low in crass irresponsibility.
I am an Irish republican and proud of great patriots such as Wolfe Tone,Robert Emmett and James Connolly who fought and died for Ireland's freedom.
But if you know your history you will know that the origins of my user name predates the Provisional IRA by more than a decade.
Quite what your purpose is coming on a Celtic board with that sort of rant makes me very suspicious of your motives and agenda.
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I really couldnt give a toss what you think.If you attack the chairman elect again I will be back in for more.
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What I'd love to hear at the Stadio da Luz,and the Death Star-courtesy of the Leeds fans and the KChiefs
'O!MY GOD I CANT BELIEVE IT
WE'VE NEVER BEEN THIS GOOD AWAY FROM HOME'
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I wonder where I would fit in your identikit as a Celtic supporter Benny?
-I am a protestant
-I am an Irish Republican activist and member of Cairde Na Heirann
-I vote SNP
and I support Celtic and have done for many years. Celtic fans come from all backgrounds and all creeds. We all have different opinions and different beliefs.
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If you attack the chairman elect again I will be back in for more.
Big Wavy - John Reid has bad hair :)
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Big Wavy...........
Two goalies and a back seven.....even that would not guarantee us three points!
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I agree that Benny's remark was was maybe off the mark but I do think he has a point.
It is also true that Martin McGuiness and Gerry Adams have brought equality to Thousands of Catholics in the North of Ireland,and there is some work still to be done.
I really appreciate your view,but you must have the same appreciation for others with different beliefs who come on here.
I have in the past defended you against the CQN Intelligencia because we all have the right to be critical of the team if they are not playing well.
But PLEASE be aware that some other Celtic supporters do not have left wing political views.
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Malcolm -
don't care what he is, as long as keeps.....er......banging 'em in
WG
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Now, this is more like international week!!!
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And here is a Marxist/Uncle Thom figure:
http://www.sporting-heroes.net/football-heroes/displayhero_club.asp?HeroID=6149
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and I support Celtic and have done for many years. Celtic fans come from all backgrounds and all creeds. We all have different opinions and different beliefs.
09/10/07 16:02
Scottishleaf
Exactly...................
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whooosh ..yo! peeps what gives?
personally its a nice image,reasonable composition with some nice play on the rule of thirds. although the sky could be less burned out, i would be tempted to clone out the tree in the lower LHS, and the perspective of the structure leans slightly central, leading the eye slightly downwards. I would try shooting this from a different angle, with a more definitive focal point and less on the surrounding brickwork of the window frame.
photocritiqueCSC
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I'm totally at a loss how the war in Iraq is 'a war on terror'.
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Carlsberg dont do Holiday weeks in the West Coast of Scotland but if they did ........ Just back from a storming ten days in Scotland the Lyon score apart. Jock Stein executive lounge on the Saturday to watch the Aiden Mc Donald show. I met many many heores of mine and was not disappointed by any of them. I thank you all. I witnessed a Celtic fan tell Scott Mc Donald that he didn´t want an autograph or a photo but thought he would hang around to tell him that he "comes to deep" about two hours after he scored his hattrick !!! I met up with WG and his wife afterwards at BB´s. Thanks again Mrs WG for the lift home. Your a star. It was very necessary indeed as my new school shoes were giving me jip!!
My first home CL game was truly a fabulous occassion. Well done the support you are awesomw when in full battle cry. Officially defacto European Champions and I was there :-) :-) :-) How poor were the AC Milan away support? How many were there 500 and I presume about 250 of them were indeed from Glasgow?
Met up with my extended family on the Saturday and then the result from Ibrox came through ... cue yet another reason for a celebarion. Sorry about missing out on Sunday´s pre game swally. I was all swallied out so to speak - is that an Alison Moyet song ? I lay down on the living room floor in front of the TV, Setanta blaring, and held an ice pack to my face all Sunday morning but to no avail. Not one family member or Fr. Spirit of Arthur Lee Snr. were prepared to stretcher me off to the game or King Luds. Although I bumped into the spirit of Arthur Lee & Arthur Lee jnr. at half time which was nice to see them also, it wasn´t good viewing but when Scott Mac Donald scored yet again, it seemed an appropriate time to sneak out of the country.
Hail Hail and thanks to all those that made my trip such a memorable occasion especially to my wee cousin NAFOS
Hail Hail CFC Defacto EC 2007/2008
"I´m like the fourth official. I never see anything anytime" - Quote of the year
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With the injuries piling up, it looks as if Bobo might be in for a surprise recall - has he been starting regularly for the reserves? Although I don't think he fits the profile of player WGS wants to see in the hoops, it will be good to see him back in the line-up. For all his faults, he is a formidable opponent and is fully committed to the club. We miss his strength in the air at the back.
Grab your chance if it comes along big man.
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No season ticket freebie for the Hearts game! :-(
Wolfe Tone and Michael Davitt were answers to questions on University Challenge last night.
Just finished reading `The Messenger` by Daniel Silva and that can make you pro Israel and anti Saudi (they blew up St Peter`s basilica for goodness sake!) :-)
Barrowfield, apparently the full size pitch is as good as at Celtic Park. Hopefully Lennoxtown will have the same boast.
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apologies to Kitalba, oltim67, DBBIA, mike10tw. I would have loved to have met up. A combination of factors prevented it happening this time. Hopefully next time. If any of you are going to Milan then maybe we can sort out a rendezvous there.
Hail Hail
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Big Wavy:Not fully up to seed on JVOH but last I heard he was hoping to be there or thereabouts for Ibrox. Will check it further.
To all on the Celtic political issue:We are a broad church and I have no problem with Celtic fans of whatever religion or political persuasion as long as they support the Hoops and are not anti-Catholic or ant-Irish.
My wife is a Welsh Methodist and I have even managed to convert her to Celtic.
But where you have organisations who are openly and blatantly anti-Catholic like the DUP or the Orange Order or openly racist like the BNP I do not want them anywhere near Paradise.
So I would stop well short of officially allowing a DUP bigot like Campbell to be a guest of Celtic FC.
But I accept others like Big Wavy take a different approach.It's called democracy.
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Well said Sean
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Tobi,
Ask the Kurds. They'll be able to tell you!
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big wavy
how come you're so busy these days?
hows Shamus @ the '67?
still doin a foghorn leghorn?
never forget...
CQN no substitute for flesh n blood
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UMcG
hahahahahahahahahahaaaaaaa
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hows Shamus @ the '67?
still doin a foghorn leghorn?
Big Wavy : Seamus is still the loud, useless, nasty, gas bag you left behind unfortunately.
Hopefully someone can claim him in the raffle soon :)
never forget...CQN no substitute for flesh n blood
Big Wavy : Err wrong there. See answer on Seamus above. My ears don't bleed here…...
:)
Big wavy
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Would there be any chance the "Bunnet"got recognition in some way at the new training complex.
Just a thought.
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Miketw10
You really believe Iraq was invaded to help the Kurds ?
When does the invasion of Turkey begin ?
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Steelica, I heard there were plans for tours a while back, but that question was not asked today.
TMC, yes, this is the final name.
McManus69, they will be training there before the international break ends.
Baz67, no comment on who asked the question.
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Yo! Aldo, what tree?
Nelsbhoy, Brian Quinn referred to the work Fergus started in 1994, rebuilding the stadium and then the team, and that this was a further chapter in the development of the club.
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wavy big
lets agree from this day forth... not to give the muss of shame any more notoriety!
it's best for us all to know this...
there are more that lurk than... those that smirk...
tbdT
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Dave,
Indeed.
You, your unkempt facial hair and your incomprehensible ramblings are a true loss to the hills and streets of county kilburn :)
May you continue to go forth and multiply in the land of naka sun...
Big Wavy
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I was involved in mentoring refugee graduates a few years ago.I went to a big get-together in Glasgow with an Iraqi refugee[Saddam was still in power then]and there were Iraqi Kurds there and they gave each other the cold shoulder treatment.
I blame Kurdish schools..
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Today is the day we open our'Field of Dreams'-it's also the day when the Cincinatti Reds defeated the Chicago White Sox in the notorious 1919 World Series.Although a grand jury[in Chicago!]acquitted 8 of the players of fixing the Series,the Commissioner of Baseball banned all 8 for life.
Shoeless Joe Jackson died in 1951,still seeking redemption for his part in the'Black Sox'scandal.
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I've heard from someone who is normally fairly reliable on these things that big Bobo was told during the last transfer window that if he didn't accept the Sunderland offer then for the rest of his contract with Celtic he would get no further than the reserves.
I dont normally pay any attn to these sort of stories but I would guess with the defensive problems we have now stacking up we will find out soon enough whether there is any substance to this.
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Tobi,
I don't particularly believe anything. You asked a question, "I'm totally at a loss how the war in Iraq is 'a war on terror'." I gave you a possible answer. I'm sure the Kurds were pretty terrified.
Believe me, I'm no great lover of the Yanks. Quite the opposite, in fact. But apparently they promised to give handers if Saddam invaded. It's a complicated issue that goes back to the 1st World War and there are no easy answers. I'm not privy to state secrets, and neither are most people, which is why I can't come down on either side.
I don't think there's any reason to invade Turkey, do you? Or perhaps there is? The Betrayal Of The Kurds
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The Galloway Sheridan Kane camp.........????????
TBM
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big wavy
"incomprehensible"... that'll be down to the unkempt(haha!) Guinness pipes of the dear unforgotten Kingdom - upstairs.
Ramble on sonny jim...
but remember... i know where you hail hail!
;o)
peace on
tbdT
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Itz,
I'd be amazed if we were totally ostracising Balde as a punitive action against his failure to go to Sunderland Celtic. I think it was more along the lines of "hey Bobo, don't you realise that ahead of you is Caldwell, Mick, JFK, O'Dea and probably Cuthbert for two slots".
I would fully expect that next up is Darren if Mick doesn't recover sufficiently but interesting who between Bobo and Scott gets the next slot.....
We'll see as you say.
Big wavy
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Apologies if this is outdated. I was away this afternoon.
"Big Wavy - I don't suggest anything of the sort fella. I see us clearly as inclusive in our ethos. However, I'm a pragmatist. I suggest that Joe Public can't comprehend the difference in the subtleties between irish rebel songs and sectarian songs and we are on a hiding to nothing in the public domain on it. Like it or not but we have to be squeaky clean. I feel we shouldn't take on battles we can't possibly win so would decide not to have that particular battle. We have a long songbook of great celtic songs. Let's stick to those and let 'them' combust upon themselves on the sectarian issue"
Who says we cannot work out the difference between sectarian and rebel songs? Who says the general public cannnot either? Aren't you being a bit patronising here? (as well as with the 'fella' address)Rebel songs are not sectarian.There is no great subtlety or nuanced thinking about this.
This blurring of the two is a part of a myth borne out of a protracted spin from a PR campaign - driven by a depairing Scottish establishment, taken up enthusiastically by Rangers (with the help of Media House) and, to its shame, by Celtic. It is an insult to our supporters. And, why should our acts of reconciliation be driven by such twisted fiction?
Please don't talk about front foot or back foot, moral high ground or otherwise. As long as our leaders adopt this supine, obsequious, forelock-tugging attitude we are always going to be on the defensive. We should all know how it works. One 'incident' of sectarianism from our side, fact or fiction,will continue to be blown out of all proportion.
As for 'them' there is absolutely no sign of combustion. On Saturday at Ibrox they were belting out their 'officially approved' songs loud and clear. 'The Sash' and 'Derry's Walls' has never been more respectable.
We should have told Campbell where to get off, and to get his own house in order.
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Barcamole
Doesn't take much working out surely?
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SMB
am trying to get all sorts of thing sorted out.
Can't even access my works e-mail to lift your number but when I do I'll call you. If I can get things sorted I'll go to Lisbon and Milan but life at the moment is a bit of a trail.
(does that constitute a whinge)
DBBIA
at the moment I won't be going back before Christmas and will do my best to catch up somewhere in Glasgow.
Think I have a ticket for the Rangers game.
Aw Naw
Another time.
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Piratecnic - Who says we cannot work out the difference between sectarian and rebel songs? Who says the general public cannnot either? Aren't you being a bit patronising here? (as well as with the 'fella' address)Rebel songs are not sectarian.There is no great subtlety or nuanced thinking about this.
Big Wavy - We'll have to agree to disagee Piratecnic. In my opinion Joe Public doesn't care about the differentiation and it's a battle we don't need to fight, especially when we have so many good things going on at the moment and a song book to unite us all with celtic content. A waste of time and resources and divisive for our support (this afternoon has proved that we are not all into singing rebel songs as a manifestation of our celticness). We are a broad church.
Piratecnic - We should have told Campbell where to get off, and to get his own house in order
Big Wavy - Not celtic's battle imho. You have the facts. If you feel strongly enough about it then I suggest you proactively contact these guys -
Gregory Campbell
c/o DUP HQ
91 Dundela Avenue
Belfast
BT4 3BU
Nothing more I can suggest.
Big wavy
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Nelsbhoy,
Enlighten me, I am 4000 miles from Glasgow and have been for a number of years and pretty much out of touch with what's going on, although, political involvement and the reult of said involvement was the main reason for me leaving in the first place; so while some things have lapsed re me politically, I still retain my season ticket and attend mass in the Middle East etc. etc. (an aside, and irrelevant to some but my Ma reads this blog)consequently, I have little interest in the political machinations back home other than conversationally when I am in the company of 'old comrades' on my infrequent return(s) to Glasgow or at European away games.
Truly, initially, I thought you were referring to CQN contributors...........sorry Martin! I now realise to whom you refer but I was and am unaware that the persons mentioned had formed an alliance. Hope this clarifies or maybe you just think I am stupid.........you would not be alone in that conclusion!
TBM
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benny
if you are going to throw comments
in amongst regular contributors oratories on here
make it meaningful and current - there is no war on terror.
not even george bush is backward enough to call it that.
keep up to speed, or else redirect your attention back to your daily record, you are not contributing.
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Barca they have not formed an alliance other than their political leanings.
I do not think you are stupid indeed probably very wise considering you are 4000 miles away from this place.Hope its somewhere warm and pleasent.
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Great video of Lennoxtown now on CH67.
Click on 'latest' tab.
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"Big Wavy - Not celtic's battle imho. You have the facts."
It wasn't the support that caused the division. It was the posturing of our chairman's and the PR driven invitation to Campbell. Even the broadest of churches has walls
"Big Wavy - If you feel strongly enough about it then I suggest you proactively contact these guys -
Gregory Campbell
c/o DUP HQ
91 Dundela Avenue
Belfast
BT4 3BU"
Big Wavy, please don't be so patronising or dismissive by giving me a contact address. I have spent half my life - and at times paid for it with more than money - being proactive against Campbell and his ilk.
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Piratecnic :- You mention the mix up between sectarian and republican songs yet a minute later you make the same mistake mixing up loyalist and sectarian songs. My view is singing republican/nationalist (as an outsider I'm not too sure on the difference) or loyalist songs is fine. Singing sectarian songs or adding on sectarian lines to other songs is wrong.
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Nelsbhoy..........Thank you. Your blogger name could have been mine as I am also one of six of Nels bhoys...I am in Dubai where we have a thriving CSC comprising some of the very best people imaginable.
Take care and Hail Hail....
Kano, bacardi is kicking in; thought that you had formed a CQN breakaway wing......should have known better as my application for membership was never forwarded; maybe JR Lying has his cohorts vetting it as I type........... LOL
TBM
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18:09, EdwardUrsus said…
Sorry Edward,
'The Sash'is a song glorifying the supremist, avowedly anti-Catholic Orange Order and is unquestionably sectarian.
Forget the add-on - and you can sing Rule Britannia all you want.
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Was asked to review a Sunderland book this afternoon and one of the guys asked me if I could name a complete team of players- well 11 players including a keeper- who have played for Celtic and Sunderland since the 1960s.
I eventually did get eleven but only by including a keeper who didn't actually make a senior appearance for Celtic and a Celtic star who made just a single appearance for Sunderland.
Can any one get close- I'll tell you it is pretty difficult.
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piratecnic
the sash is currently viewed by whomsover in authority in these matters today in scottish football
as perfectly acceptable.
it must be as we hear a renditions or two at every
game. don't we? similarly derrys walls, and the rush rerelease of 'I was born under a wandering ..... etc etc?
nothing amiss with these traditional ditty's?
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Piratecnic :- On the Sash my opinion is with you it;s a song about a sectarian organisation, however the song itself isn't legally sectarian, I can't remember the court case that but that was the decision.
Yogisannies :- While you may not like those songs can you tell me one sectarian line in Derry's Walls or even I was born under ....
(not counting add ons) As I said you may not like them and you may even find them offensive but that doesn't mean they should be banned or that they are sectarian.
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Sean South, did you get Billy Hughes?
TBM
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Paul67,
Was Gordon present when Peter said that quote about the new deal? Did the wee man take the mick ouf of the press??
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Sean
I'm going for the easy ones.
Bobby Murdoch
Ross Wallace
Stanislav Varga
Michael Gray
Liam Miller
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The Barcamole:I tried him but when I checked him out in the Sunderland A-Z it said that he came from Coatbridge schools football to Sunderland's ground staff in 1965. Had a brief spell on Wearside before returning to Scotland with Celtic for a few months before going back to Roker Park.
He didn't play any first team games for Celtic but was on the books fleetingly.
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Sean
Shay Given
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