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First in the door?
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Now can I get a tour?
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Now I'll read the post?
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Did SMcmanus expand on what aspects of Barrowfield they would miss?
Steelica-for jumping on the iPodium without reading the article you should be banished to some English non-league blog;~'
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I'll also admit to taking performance enhancing stuff and will graciously hand back my medals as long as you can find it in your heart to forgive me. Sob! Sob!
Seriously Paul67 are there planned tours of the facilities for the supporters?
Lets hope the sports injury recover unit is efficient and effective and then not over employed too often.
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DBBIA
Maybe the burger van on the way along to it from Celtic Park?
Is Celtic FC Training Centre the final name? What know ego massaging for Desmond or Quinn? I'm surprised we haven't received more criticism for 'abandoning' the east end for this move anyway! We never were 'Glasgow' Celtic anyway!!!!
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TMC-Time for a new verse:
'And most of football's greats
have walked through
Celtic FC Training Centre's gates
To play football the Lennoxtown Celtic way'
Barrowfield and the great players who have trained there would be very evocative to someone as rooted in Celtic tradition as SMcmanus.For all its faults it'll be a tough at to follow.
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DBBIA
Much as I like that song the use of Parkhead and Glasgow does annoy me - I get over it though!!!!
The Training Ground certainly looks good from a distance, I bet Campsie Golf Club will be happy with the move - unless it's mandatory afternoon study for our heroes!
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Although in one of the photos it looks like Tommy Burns has lost his contacts again!
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Paul67,
When will the first training session be at Lennoxtown? Any talk of what we will do with Barrowfield in the near future? This must have been a proud day for our Chairman and one I am sure he was hanging on to see the official opening. Surprised there was no naming announced today.
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Just as a torrid and stimulating debate was raging on the politics and traditions that are intertwined with supporting Celtic along came a new thread.
So apologies for reposting this:
Sean South said...
Big Wavy at 12.31:Congratulations on your superb debating skills and well-reasoned response.
You made your case for the defence with outstanding clarity and I think both strands of conflicting opinion have been made clear without too much of a slanging match (well the sanctimonious jibe was a tad spiky).
The debate I think has shown that CQN can be a platform for intelligent and enlightening discussion even on the most divisive and sensitive of subjects.
I, of course, will agree to disagree with you on some issues.
But that little frank exchange of conflicting views shows there is far more unites us than divides us.
But I do have more empathy with Kano's view.
09/10/07 13:55
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Great that the new training centre is now open but sad in a way.
The day before the Milan game I took my 2 nephews to the ground and done the stadium tour etc. It was a great day to do it as there was a right good buzz about the place, with all the media like Sky etc setting up for the big game.
The biggest plus point was they got the photos taken with 10 of the squad as they were all mulling about. We even interrupted Gordon Strachan showing some of the players a video of Milan.
I really hope they do some sort of tour of Lennoxtown as days like this are great for the young ins (and the thirty something’s).
Paul67 – who asked such a stupid question ?
“how finally opening the training ground compared to Celtic reaching the Uefa Cup Final in 2003”
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Sean South - Thanks for the post fella. You’re a gentleman sir. Well said and apologies for the wee drop of mud I sent your way. Keep telling it as you see it.
Kano - Thanks. I appreciate there were a raft of options to us and believe me my views on Campbell and his track record in the North would be unprintable here. I just think in this circumstance I can find little fault in the chairman proactively doing something to keep the good name of the club to the fore. Appreciate judgement calls can be a thin line between success and failure.
Piratechnic said - That you present this as some sort of fait accompli suggests that you agree that it should be so. Apart from being completely inaccurate - Irish rebel songs are not sectarian - you are falling into the trap that you seek to avoid - you are tarring both sets of supporters with the same brush.
Big Wavy - I don't suggest anything of the sort fella. I see us clearly as inclusive in our ethos. However, I'm a pragmatist. I suggest that Joe Public can't comprehend the difference in the subtleties between irish rebel songs and sectarian songs and we are on a hiding to nothing in the public domain on it. Like it or not but we have to be squeaky clean. I feel we shouldn't take on battles we can't possibly win so would decide not to have that particular battle. We have a long songbook of great celtic songs. Let's stick to those and let 'them' combust upon themselves on the sectarian issue.
"Hope that helps."
Piratecnic - Not really. Instead of seeing the incident as some sort of point scoring clamber for the moral high ground - how dignified is that? -comparing ourselves to that shower?- Celtic should publicly lecture Campbell on the countless incidents of routine anti Catholic abuse and assault meted out by his voters and co-religionists on their journeys back and forward to Ireland. Any non Orange or Unionist supporter who has had the misfortune to travel on a boat loaded with Rangers or Orange Order supporters will know immediately what I am talking about.
Big Wavy - Been on that boat countless times. Know the story very well. I'm not about countless point scoring with them but an incident has occurred and I feel we should be back on the front foot because we have a good story to tell. As that man who is hearing it is also an unreconstructed bigot, I think it is vitally important that we challenge any chance he has of creating a hidden agenda to besmirch the club with the actions of a few.
Now, how magnificent does our new training centre look ???
Big Wavy
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An interesting story on the Associated Press wires today shows that there is simply no way of keeping politics out of sport.
Appointing war-monger John Reid as Celtic chairman may yet bring us an Islamic backlash- which would be ironic given the political make-up of a large section of our support.
This is the AP story:
By KIRSTEN GRIESHABER, Associated Press Writer
" BERLIN (AP) — An Iranian-born German soccer player's refusal to play in Israel has sparked a public outcry in Germany, with Jewish leaders calling Tuesday for his exclusion from the German national team.
Ashkan Dejagah, who moved to Germany as a child, pulled out of Friday's game in Tel Aviv — a qualification match for the European Under-21 Championship — citing political reasons.
"I have more Iranian than German blood in my veins. I am doing it out of respect. After all, my parents are Iranian," the 21-year-old midfielder told the Berlin daily tabloid B.Z.
The German soccer federation has accepted his decision not to participate in the game.
"I have accepted the coach's decision because he explained to me that the player has personal reasons for his decision," association President Theo Zwanziger said in a statement posted to the federation Web site. He did not immediately return repeated calls for comment Tuesday.
The president of the Central Council of Jews in Germany, Charlotte Knobloch, called Dejagah's behavior "deeply unsportsmanlike."
Germany is "aware of its historical responsibility ... and it would be a big affront if this anti-Israeli behavior would be tolerated," Knobloch said in a statement. "I therefore expect the (soccer federation) to exclude the player from the German national team."
The vice president of the Central Council, Dieter Graumann, told Spiegel Online it was unthinkable for a German national player to wage a private boycott against Israel.
It is not the first time that an Iranian athlete has refused to compete in Israel, a country whose existence the hard-line Islamic regime in Iran has long refused to recognize. In recent months, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has drawn international criticism for publicly questioning the Nazi Holocaust and for calling for Israel to be "wiped off the map."
In 2004, Bayern Munich played a Champions League game against Maccabi Tel Aviv without a key Iranian player who had been warned by his country not to travel to the Jewish state.
The Iranian sports federation had said striker Vahid Hashemian would face consequences at home if he traveled to Israel.
Hashemian's official reason for not attending the game was a back injury.
During the 2004 Olympics Games in Athens, an Iranian judo champion reportedly said he wouldn't fight an Israeli opponent, then claimed he was too overweight for the bout with Israel's Ehud Vaks.
He was disqualified. The International Judo Federation later concluded that he was not overweight.
At the 2001 judo world championships, Mahed Malekmohammadi of Iran did not compete against Yoel Razvozov of Israel. "
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I stand by... 'Stoir Mha Chroi'... for Barrowfields successor.
Don't know if I can stand by the spelling though.
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So we've built a Stoir Mha Chroi to heaven?
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DBBIA,
if I get a ticket for the Rangers game I'll be building one to the boozer if you guys are going to be about.
Smashin Milk Bottles
when I get access to my emails I'll give you a call. MT sent me your number. Just can't get in to get it.
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Kitalba-when are you returning to Australia?
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Kitalba
are you going to Lisbon?
let me know
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Kitalba
are you going to Lisbon?
let me know
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Paul Hartley has ruled himself out of both Scotland games against Ukraine on Saturday and Georgia a week on Wednesday with a hamstring injury which was fairly obvious anyway.
Gary Caldwell, however, only ruled out of the the Ukraine game at this stage with knee and ankle problems.
Must hope McLeish doesn't try to risk him against Georgia ahead of the Rangers match the following Saturday.
We need Caldwell to play emergency right back in that game and probably in the next CL match at Benfica.
If he is out there is little option but to play Kennedy at right back and either O'Dea or Balde in the middle.
Hartley I'm told might still have an outside chance of making Lisbon on October 24.
But Hartley definitely be fit for the return with Benfica at Celtic Park on November 6.
My team for Ibrox would be in a 4-5-1 formation:
Boruc;
Caldwell, Kennedy, McManus, Naylor;
Nakamura, Brown, Sno, Donati, Jarosik;
McDonald.
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Sean South,
Ibrox formation is harsh on Aiden and he's been in good form. A player who they would not relish running at them.
I counter your 4-5-1 with the following "horses-for-courses play to our strengths" formation :
Artur,
Gary, Bobo, Mick, Lee
Aiden, Brown, Donati, Naka
Jan, Skippy
Hartley and JJ to play parts in Lisbon in more defensive display.
big Wavy
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SeanSouth
Many Celtic fans support the war against terror me being one.
The more AlQaeda scumbags who get caught and punished so much the better.
I suupose you were a crawling provy apologist when ahem ,"civilians" were blown to bits by Gerry and Martin.
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Collie dug
When you git oot yir basket
Will you kindly call
Robin Van Persie
Robin Van Poisy
Thanks in advance
WoofGrowl
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benny,
"war on terror" so you support torture and murder of civilians?
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I think Jarosik and McGeady have to start at Ibrox, I'd consider McGeady in the role that Brown played against Milan (assuming no JVofH) as I think we need to pressure Thompson and Hemdani. Although those two are competent players, neither is interested in any responsibility and we can back them into a corner.
We can name their team with 100% confidence, they can't say the same for us so we have to get it right.
Sno is an interesting option, though it's alot of pressure on his young shoulders to take on Ferguson.
If I was a Rangers supporter I'd be praying for Bobo Balde to play, no games since last christmas? Would be absolute folly to even consider him. The main physical challenges are Caldwell v McCulloch (Rangers Plan A, B and C) and Hutton / Whittaker v Naylor (needs added protection).
Celtic will not lose.
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Big Wavy: What would concern me with the four man midfield you select is that Brown apart I think we could get steam-rollered physically.
I am genuinely worried about Donati for that game. He was anonymous against Gretna and I am not sure his languid style is right for this match unless he is offered an extra layer of protection.
For the same reason I don't know if we can be too attacking with both Aidan and Naka.
I know it would be harsh on an in-form Aiden. But I think we have to go with just one wide man and perhaps switch them during the game.
Jarosik and Sno I believe give us extra height an strength which could be vital against the Govan hammer-throwers.
By the same logic I would like to have had Balde in but his lack of match practice makes him a risk now.
Right now I would settle for a draw that would maintain the three point lead over them.
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No I dont but Gerry and Martin actively encouraged it.
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benny
but how can you support the war on terror without supoprting torture and the murder of civilians. these are central elements of the yer "war on terror"
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Sean,
I would not be surprised if Bobo made a one off appearance against our 3rd placed neighbours - he would be under instruction to clear his lines at all times.
Aiden and Naka should not be in the same line up at ibrox - they will be hammering into us at every turn - light weights should be limited to a minimum.
I think Gordon has a wee ace up his sleeve for the next league game.
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I guess Benny is a crawling yank/brit apologist who doesn't mind the fact that innocent civilians are still being blown to pieces in Afganhistan and Iraq.....
Benny you and many other Celtic fans may support the war on terror but at the end of the day many people (not just Celtic fans) don't.
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Benny et al, this is a FOOTBALL, specifically CELTIC FC blog - wanna leave the political bullsh*t where it belongs please!?
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I support democracy over fanatics who would have your head and mine on a spike.
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Malcolm...
Re Van Persie... Clapham Common?
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mTW10-I've replied to your e-maol.Sorry for the delay-I've been Evundered at work;~@
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Sean,
Fair point on the brawn factor, I suppose Caldwell at right back and Bobo in the middle had me covered there.
Just thought that taking our natural passing game to them would be more effective. Ironically I think if we padded the midfield out with Sno and JJ it would encourage a constant long ball tactic.
Big call on Donati. This is not a game to be caught short in terms of the franticness of the fixture but this is what he came to play in. Sno in there would concern me as he's too prone to slowing down our play down and we need our rhythm.
Don't know if your injury report stretches but what is the scoop with JVOH ? Is he due back by Ibrox ?
Big Wavy
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Wouldn't mind being 'Evundered' myself occasionally. Sounds like fun!!!
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Couldnt agree more Malcolm.
Unfortunately our Chairman elect is being besmirched by some posters on here. I am only reminding them that the majority of Celtic fans dont share their marxist fantasies.
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Sean South
Personally, I feel that Aiden McGeady should start at Ibrox, regardless of which formation wee Gordon decides on.
However, if we were to play a 4-5-1 formation, as you suggest, surely we have the added protection in midfield to make up for the lack of physical presence of McGeady (Brown, Donati and Jarosik would all presumably make up 3 of the 5 man midfield)? With only one up front we would need to make sure we have other attacking options coming from our midfield. Aiden is our best 'out' ball when we are under pressure, as he is one of the few with the ability to carry the ball up the field relieving the pressure on our defence and turning defence into attack, simultaneously.
Ofcourse, football is all about opinions. Mine just happens to be that in a 4-5-1 formation, McGeady is MUST if we don't want to isolate our lone striker.
Hail Hail
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Thats some ego you have their Benny, after all you feel qualifed to speak on the behalf of the majority of Celtic fans.....wow....
Just out of interest, what exactly do you think qualifies you to be able to claim you speak on the behalf of the majority of Celtic fans?
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here's my Marxist Fantasy:
http://www.die-elke.de/sonst/play.html
Katie can get in the back seat of my Trabant anytime.
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"talkinaboot"
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Couldnt agree more Benny, im no Socialist or Lefty but im as Fanatical as anyone about the Hoops.
Was the Assault on the Twin towers not Murder.Dont forget Radical Islam has rather a dim view of the Catholic church.
The right to support Celtic is not restricted to The Galloway Sheridan Kane camp.
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We should have some scope at Ibrox on selection as I anticipate a major shake-up for the Benfica game. Going for our first 3 away points our line-up in lisbon should be :
Boruc, Brown,
Caldwell, Balde, Mick, JFK, Naylor, Cuthbert, O'Dea
Hartley
Skippy
Big Wavy
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Im fed up with some fans who want to portray some kind of identikit Celtic supporter and when you dont fit (and I believe that the majority of fans dont)then you are some kind of uncle tom figure.
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Benny:Your supposition that I am a "crawling provy apologist" is as deeply offensive and unsubstantiated as your wild claim that "civilians" were blown to bits by "Gerry and Martin."
In terms of bad taste these remarks reach a new low in crass irresponsibility.
I am an Irish republican and proud of great patriots such as Wolfe Tone,Robert Emmett and James Connolly who fought and died for Ireland's freedom.
But if you know your history you will know that the origins of my user name predates the Provisional IRA by more than a decade.
Quite what your purpose is coming on a Celtic board with that sort of rant makes me very suspicious of your motives and agenda.
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I really couldnt give a toss what you think.If you attack the chairman elect again I will be back in for more.
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What I'd love to hear at the Stadio da Luz,and the Death Star-courtesy of the Leeds fans and the KChiefs
'O!MY GOD I CANT BELIEVE IT
WE'VE NEVER BEEN THIS GOOD AWAY FROM HOME'
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I wonder where I would fit in your identikit as a Celtic supporter Benny?
-I am a protestant
-I am an Irish Republican activist and member of Cairde Na Heirann
-I vote SNP
and I support Celtic and have done for many years. Celtic fans come from all backgrounds and all creeds. We all have different opinions and different beliefs.
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If you attack the chairman elect again I will be back in for more.
Big Wavy - John Reid has bad hair :)
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Big Wavy...........
Two goalies and a back seven.....even that would not guarantee us three points!
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I agree that Benny's remark was was maybe off the mark but I do think he has a point.
It is also true that Martin McGuiness and Gerry Adams have brought equality to Thousands of Catholics in the North of Ireland,and there is some work still to be done.
I really appreciate your view,but you must have the same appreciation for others with different beliefs who come on here.
I have in the past defended you against the CQN Intelligencia because we all have the right to be critical of the team if they are not playing well.
But PLEASE be aware that some other Celtic supporters do not have left wing political views.
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Malcolm -
don't care what he is, as long as keeps.....er......banging 'em in
WG
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Now, this is more like international week!!!
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And here is a Marxist/Uncle Thom figure:
http://www.sporting-heroes.net/football-heroes/displayhero_club.asp?HeroID=6149
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and I support Celtic and have done for many years. Celtic fans come from all backgrounds and all creeds. We all have different opinions and different beliefs.
09/10/07 16:02
Scottishleaf
Exactly...................
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whooosh ..yo! peeps what gives?
personally its a nice image,reasonable composition with some nice play on the rule of thirds. although the sky could be less burned out, i would be tempted to clone out the tree in the lower LHS, and the perspective of the structure leans slightly central, leading the eye slightly downwards. I would try shooting this from a different angle, with a more definitive focal point and less on the surrounding brickwork of the window frame.
photocritiqueCSC
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I'm totally at a loss how the war in Iraq is 'a war on terror'.
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Carlsberg dont do Holiday weeks in the West Coast of Scotland but if they did ........ Just back from a storming ten days in Scotland the Lyon score apart. Jock Stein executive lounge on the Saturday to watch the Aiden Mc Donald show. I met many many heores of mine and was not disappointed by any of them. I thank you all. I witnessed a Celtic fan tell Scott Mc Donald that he didn´t want an autograph or a photo but thought he would hang around to tell him that he "comes to deep" about two hours after he scored his hattrick !!! I met up with WG and his wife afterwards at BB´s. Thanks again Mrs WG for the lift home. Your a star. It was very necessary indeed as my new school shoes were giving me jip!!
My first home CL game was truly a fabulous occassion. Well done the support you are awesomw when in full battle cry. Officially defacto European Champions and I was there :-) :-) :-) How poor were the AC Milan away support? How many were there 500 and I presume about 250 of them were indeed from Glasgow?
Met up with my extended family on the Saturday and then the result from Ibrox came through ... cue yet another reason for a celebarion. Sorry about missing out on Sunday´s pre game swally. I was all swallied out so to speak - is that an Alison Moyet song ? I lay down on the living room floor in front of the TV, Setanta blaring, and held an ice pack to my face all Sunday morning but to no avail. Not one family member or Fr. Spirit of Arthur Lee Snr. were prepared to stretcher me off to the game or King Luds. Although I bumped into the spirit of Arthur Lee & Arthur Lee jnr. at half time which was nice to see them also, it wasn´t good viewing but when Scott Mac Donald scored yet again, it seemed an appropriate time to sneak out of the country.
Hail Hail and thanks to all those that made my trip such a memorable occasion especially to my wee cousin NAFOS
Hail Hail CFC Defacto EC 2007/2008
"I´m like the fourth official. I never see anything anytime" - Quote of the year
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With the injuries piling up, it looks as if Bobo might be in for a surprise recall - has he been starting regularly for the reserves? Although I don't think he fits the profile of player WGS wants to see in the hoops, it will be good to see him back in the line-up. For all his faults, he is a formidable opponent and is fully committed to the club. We miss his strength in the air at the back.
Grab your chance if it comes along big man.
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No season ticket freebie for the Hearts game! :-(
Wolfe Tone and Michael Davitt were answers to questions on University Challenge last night.
Just finished reading `The Messenger` by Daniel Silva and that can make you pro Israel and anti Saudi (they blew up St Peter`s basilica for goodness sake!) :-)
Barrowfield, apparently the full size pitch is as good as at Celtic Park. Hopefully Lennoxtown will have the same boast.
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apologies to Kitalba, oltim67, DBBIA, mike10tw. I would have loved to have met up. A combination of factors prevented it happening this time. Hopefully next time. If any of you are going to Milan then maybe we can sort out a rendezvous there.
Hail Hail
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Big Wavy:Not fully up to seed on JVOH but last I heard he was hoping to be there or thereabouts for Ibrox. Will check it further.
To all on the Celtic political issue:We are a broad church and I have no problem with Celtic fans of whatever religion or political persuasion as long as they support the Hoops and are not anti-Catholic or ant-Irish.
My wife is a Welsh Methodist and I have even managed to convert her to Celtic.
But where you have organisations who are openly and blatantly anti-Catholic like the DUP or the Orange Order or openly racist like the BNP I do not want them anywhere near Paradise.
So I would stop well short of officially allowing a DUP bigot like Campbell to be a guest of Celtic FC.
But I accept others like Big Wavy take a different approach.It's called democracy.
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Well said Sean
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Tobi,
Ask the Kurds. They'll be able to tell you!
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big wavy
how come you're so busy these days?
hows Shamus @ the '67?
still doin a foghorn leghorn?
never forget...
CQN no substitute for flesh n blood
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UMcG
hahahahahahahahahahaaaaaaa
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hows Shamus @ the '67?
still doin a foghorn leghorn?
Big Wavy : Seamus is still the loud, useless, nasty, gas bag you left behind unfortunately.
Hopefully someone can claim him in the raffle soon :)
never forget...CQN no substitute for flesh n blood
Big Wavy : Err wrong there. See answer on Seamus above. My ears don't bleed here…...
:)
Big wavy
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Would there be any chance the "Bunnet"got recognition in some way at the new training complex.
Just a thought.
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Miketw10
You really believe Iraq was invaded to help the Kurds ?
When does the invasion of Turkey begin ?
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Steelica, I heard there were plans for tours a while back, but that question was not asked today.
TMC, yes, this is the final name.
McManus69, they will be training there before the international break ends.
Baz67, no comment on who asked the question.
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Yo! Aldo, what tree?
Nelsbhoy, Brian Quinn referred to the work Fergus started in 1994, rebuilding the stadium and then the team, and that this was a further chapter in the development of the club.
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wavy big
lets agree from this day forth... not to give the muss of shame any more notoriety!
it's best for us all to know this...
there are more that lurk than... those that smirk...
tbdT
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Dave,
Indeed.
You, your unkempt facial hair and your incomprehensible ramblings are a true loss to the hills and streets of county kilburn :)
May you continue to go forth and multiply in the land of naka sun...
Big Wavy
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I was involved in mentoring refugee graduates a few years ago.I went to a big get-together in Glasgow with an Iraqi refugee[Saddam was still in power then]and there were Iraqi Kurds there and they gave each other the cold shoulder treatment.
I blame Kurdish schools..
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Today is the day we open our'Field of Dreams'-it's also the day when the Cincinatti Reds defeated the Chicago White Sox in the notorious 1919 World Series.Although a grand jury[in Chicago!]acquitted 8 of the players of fixing the Series,the Commissioner of Baseball banned all 8 for life.
Shoeless Joe Jackson died in 1951,still seeking redemption for his part in the'Black Sox'scandal.
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I've heard from someone who is normally fairly reliable on these things that big Bobo was told during the last transfer window that if he didn't accept the Sunderland offer then for the rest of his contract with Celtic he would get no further than the reserves.
I dont normally pay any attn to these sort of stories but I would guess with the defensive problems we have now stacking up we will find out soon enough whether there is any substance to this.
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Tobi,
I don't particularly believe anything. You asked a question, "I'm totally at a loss how the war in Iraq is 'a war on terror'." I gave you a possible answer. I'm sure the Kurds were pretty terrified.
Believe me, I'm no great lover of the Yanks. Quite the opposite, in fact. But apparently they promised to give handers if Saddam invaded. It's a complicated issue that goes back to the 1st World War and there are no easy answers. I'm not privy to state secrets, and neither are most people, which is why I can't come down on either side.
I don't think there's any reason to invade Turkey, do you? Or perhaps there is? The Betrayal Of The Kurds
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The Galloway Sheridan Kane camp.........????????
TBM
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big wavy
"incomprehensible"... that'll be down to the unkempt(haha!) Guinness pipes of the dear unforgotten Kingdom - upstairs.
Ramble on sonny jim...
but remember... i know where you hail hail!
;o)
peace on
tbdT
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Itz,
I'd be amazed if we were totally ostracising Balde as a punitive action against his failure to go to Sunderland Celtic. I think it was more along the lines of "hey Bobo, don't you realise that ahead of you is Caldwell, Mick, JFK, O'Dea and probably Cuthbert for two slots".
I would fully expect that next up is Darren if Mick doesn't recover sufficiently but interesting who between Bobo and Scott gets the next slot.....
We'll see as you say.
Big wavy
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Apologies if this is outdated. I was away this afternoon.
"Big Wavy - I don't suggest anything of the sort fella. I see us clearly as inclusive in our ethos. However, I'm a pragmatist. I suggest that Joe Public can't comprehend the difference in the subtleties between irish rebel songs and sectarian songs and we are on a hiding to nothing in the public domain on it. Like it or not but we have to be squeaky clean. I feel we shouldn't take on battles we can't possibly win so would decide not to have that particular battle. We have a long songbook of great celtic songs. Let's stick to those and let 'them' combust upon themselves on the sectarian issue"
Who says we cannot work out the difference between sectarian and rebel songs? Who says the general public cannnot either? Aren't you being a bit patronising here? (as well as with the 'fella' address)Rebel songs are not sectarian.There is no great subtlety or nuanced thinking about this.
This blurring of the two is a part of a myth borne out of a protracted spin from a PR campaign - driven by a depairing Scottish establishment, taken up enthusiastically by Rangers (with the help of Media House) and, to its shame, by Celtic. It is an insult to our supporters. And, why should our acts of reconciliation be driven by such twisted fiction?
Please don't talk about front foot or back foot, moral high ground or otherwise. As long as our leaders adopt this supine, obsequious, forelock-tugging attitude we are always going to be on the defensive. We should all know how it works. One 'incident' of sectarianism from our side, fact or fiction,will continue to be blown out of all proportion.
As for 'them' there is absolutely no sign of combustion. On Saturday at Ibrox they were belting out their 'officially approved' songs loud and clear. 'The Sash' and 'Derry's Walls' has never been more respectable.
We should have told Campbell where to get off, and to get his own house in order.
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Barcamole
Doesn't take much working out surely?
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SMB
am trying to get all sorts of thing sorted out.
Can't even access my works e-mail to lift your number but when I do I'll call you. If I can get things sorted I'll go to Lisbon and Milan but life at the moment is a bit of a trail.
(does that constitute a whinge)
DBBIA
at the moment I won't be going back before Christmas and will do my best to catch up somewhere in Glasgow.
Think I have a ticket for the Rangers game.
Aw Naw
Another time.
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Piratecnic - Who says we cannot work out the difference between sectarian and rebel songs? Who says the general public cannnot either? Aren't you being a bit patronising here? (as well as with the 'fella' address)Rebel songs are not sectarian.There is no great subtlety or nuanced thinking about this.
Big Wavy - We'll have to agree to disagee Piratecnic. In my opinion Joe Public doesn't care about the differentiation and it's a battle we don't need to fight, especially when we have so many good things going on at the moment and a song book to unite us all with celtic content. A waste of time and resources and divisive for our support (this afternoon has proved that we are not all into singing rebel songs as a manifestation of our celticness). We are a broad church.
Piratecnic - We should have told Campbell where to get off, and to get his own house in order
Big Wavy - Not celtic's battle imho. You have the facts. If you feel strongly enough about it then I suggest you proactively contact these guys -
Gregory Campbell
c/o DUP HQ
91 Dundela Avenue
Belfast
BT4 3BU
Nothing more I can suggest.
Big wavy
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Nelsbhoy,
Enlighten me, I am 4000 miles from Glasgow and have been for a number of years and pretty much out of touch with what's going on, although, political involvement and the reult of said involvement was the main reason for me leaving in the first place; so while some things have lapsed re me politically, I still retain my season ticket and attend mass in the Middle East etc. etc. (an aside, and irrelevant to some but my Ma reads this blog)consequently, I have little interest in the political machinations back home other than conversationally when I am in the company of 'old comrades' on my infrequent return(s) to Glasgow or at European away games.
Truly, initially, I thought you were referring to CQN contributors...........sorry Martin! I now realise to whom you refer but I was and am unaware that the persons mentioned had formed an alliance. Hope this clarifies or maybe you just think I am stupid.........you would not be alone in that conclusion!
TBM
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benny
if you are going to throw comments
in amongst regular contributors oratories on here
make it meaningful and current - there is no war on terror.
not even george bush is backward enough to call it that.
keep up to speed, or else redirect your attention back to your daily record, you are not contributing.
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Barca they have not formed an alliance other than their political leanings.
I do not think you are stupid indeed probably very wise considering you are 4000 miles away from this place.Hope its somewhere warm and pleasent.
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Great video of Lennoxtown now on CH67.
Click on 'latest' tab.
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"Big Wavy - Not celtic's battle imho. You have the facts."
It wasn't the support that caused the division. It was the posturing of our chairman's and the PR driven invitation to Campbell. Even the broadest of churches has walls
"Big Wavy - If you feel strongly enough about it then I suggest you proactively contact these guys -
Gregory Campbell
c/o DUP HQ
91 Dundela Avenue
Belfast
BT4 3BU"
Big Wavy, please don't be so patronising or dismissive by giving me a contact address. I have spent half my life - and at times paid for it with more than money - being proactive against Campbell and his ilk.
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Piratecnic :- You mention the mix up between sectarian and republican songs yet a minute later you make the same mistake mixing up loyalist and sectarian songs. My view is singing republican/nationalist (as an outsider I'm not too sure on the difference) or loyalist songs is fine. Singing sectarian songs or adding on sectarian lines to other songs is wrong.
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Nelsbhoy..........Thank you. Your blogger name could have been mine as I am also one of six of Nels bhoys...I am in Dubai where we have a thriving CSC comprising some of the very best people imaginable.
Take care and Hail Hail....
Kano, bacardi is kicking in; thought that you had formed a CQN breakaway wing......should have known better as my application for membership was never forwarded; maybe JR Lying has his cohorts vetting it as I type........... LOL
TBM
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18:09, EdwardUrsus said…
Sorry Edward,
'The Sash'is a song glorifying the supremist, avowedly anti-Catholic Orange Order and is unquestionably sectarian.
Forget the add-on - and you can sing Rule Britannia all you want.
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Was asked to review a Sunderland book this afternoon and one of the guys asked me if I could name a complete team of players- well 11 players including a keeper- who have played for Celtic and Sunderland since the 1960s.
I eventually did get eleven but only by including a keeper who didn't actually make a senior appearance for Celtic and a Celtic star who made just a single appearance for Sunderland.
Can any one get close- I'll tell you it is pretty difficult.
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piratecnic
the sash is currently viewed by whomsover in authority in these matters today in scottish football
as perfectly acceptable.
it must be as we hear a renditions or two at every
game. don't we? similarly derrys walls, and the rush rerelease of 'I was born under a wandering ..... etc etc?
nothing amiss with these traditional ditty's?
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Piratecnic :- On the Sash my opinion is with you it;s a song about a sectarian organisation, however the song itself isn't legally sectarian, I can't remember the court case that but that was the decision.
Yogisannies :- While you may not like those songs can you tell me one sectarian line in Derry's Walls or even I was born under ....
(not counting add ons) As I said you may not like them and you may even find them offensive but that doesn't mean they should be banned or that they are sectarian.
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Sean South, did you get Billy Hughes?
TBM
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Paul67,
Was Gordon present when Peter said that quote about the new deal? Did the wee man take the mick ouf of the press??
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Sean
I'm going for the easy ones.
Bobby Murdoch
Ross Wallace
Stanislav Varga
Michael Gray
Liam Miller
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The Barcamole:I tried him but when I checked him out in the Sunderland A-Z it said that he came from Coatbridge schools football to Sunderland's ground staff in 1965. Had a brief spell on Wearside before returning to Scotland with Celtic for a few months before going back to Roker Park.
He didn't play any first team games for Celtic but was on the books fleetingly.
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Sean
Shay Given
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Sean
You will have most of the names - two more...
Anton Rogan
John Colquhoun
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Sean South
A.Rogan
M.Gray
H.Hood
A.Stubbs
R.Wallace
L.Miller
C.Healy
S.Given
S.Varga
J.Colquhoun
B.Hughes
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Sean South, maybe my memory is going but I am sure he played in a game at Moore Park in a trial match; I know, The Ants eh! and then against Clydebank at Kilbowie in a League Cup game....... Yogi's brother right?
Believe that you are an ex Mungo Bhoy...true??????
TBM
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edward
what makes you think I don't like them? :-)
the distinction between e.g.the sash and "the banned one.......Hello Hello, seems to relate to the reference
to the perceived sectarian word. Fenian, and up to our knees in etc.
but where is the line drawn? as you probably know
some of those original bold Fenian Men were indeed Nationalist Republican and also Non Catholic?
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Anyone know this song?
Harry Hood?
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Bloke109
no - but I know another version.
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Sean South
I know mine is not a definitive list. I am still working on the Celtic star who made one appearance - and I am sure there are more.
Have you any information about Patsy Gallacher from the Paisley area who was a Sunderland legend in the twenties, around the same time as our own Patsy.
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Re the selection for Ibrox,i agree with Sean's thinking,but would drop Naka before Aiden,suspect Naka's fitness might be a factor.
Thismancraig i like your thinking as well although why not play Brown in that role you earmarked for Aiden.
Jarosik coming in from the cold has given us more options and i suspect one of our wide men will be dropped to the bench.
I see the game being another 451 match up.
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Piratechnic:Brillaint 10 out of 11. Billy Hughes did not play a senior game for Celtic but you are not a million miles away.
Yes Sunderland's Patsy Gallagher was born in Bridge of Weir in 1909 playing 307 games for them scoring 108 goals.
Won title in 1936 and FA cup in 1937.
Began with Linwoood St. Convals Church got one Scotland cap.
Died in Greenock in 1992.
Yes I went to st. Mungos.
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Shay Given didn't play a senior game for us.
Sean - there's a whole bundle of players witth Rangers connections too! Over to Edward.
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Paul67.
It's nice to see the finished article, ie Lennoxtown,I had a look at it months ago,but with the weather, and the works not finished,I could'nt picture the end product,Now,looking at the pictures on CH67,you can see the finished article,and it makes me proud to be a Celtic fan.
Lennox Castle should be the next project there,What a Hotel that would make,I know theres also an acadamy in the pipeline for the youngsters, maybe the Castle has been lined up for that,Anyway it's looking good for the future.
I wonder what would be the state of Celtic,if the Kelly's, and Whites, were still involved,Would we still be playing football at Celtic Park,would we have the new Stadium that graces the area now,I doubt it,and I also doubt that we would have moved into a State of the Art Training Complex.
I'm just thankful that a wee exiled Scot from Canada came along and got us out of the mess, that the forementioned got us into.
Thanks Fergus.
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Terry O
Are you suggesting we "rope a dope" the ultimate dopes!
Ed, you're kinda on the periphery tho you've been a bit cheeky recently:o)
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Sean South et al,
Remember it or think I remember it because Bobby Murdoch's brother played in goal............and maybe the Brogans played as well.........colours of my mind or could be the night's bacardi........... My Da used to take me to all the 'wee games' around that time including night reserve matches standing in the enclosure...... strangely cannot remember my first game but the game that I remember most from that time was an away game at East End Park - 1966 I think........5-4 to the Tic......my Da had just finished night-shift so we went on the Airdie Street bus in the toon so I had to make my way in to meet him......big adventure......cos he used to check what supporters' busses were going every week and make sure seats were available. Was sometimes weeks/months before we went on the local bus where he was meant to be convenor but because of his shift patterns, we would get a lift wherever we could and he would collect the subs at the Chapel next day; no Sunday games in those days ...........as a wide eyed bhoy used to wonder how everybody knew my Da.............Haw Jimmy sit the wean here he'll be ok! I thought he was the only Jimmy..... Celtic, more than a club. Cheers.
Hail Hail
TBM
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Why doesn't the BBC Sport Celtic page have any info about the new training ground? Does it not qualify as being newsworthy?
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El Diego Bhoy "rope a dope "perfect strategy.
OldTim67 19.17 maybe we should put a plaque up
The Man Wae The Bunnet Dunnit
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oldtim,
I was thinking that myself about the old castle.
Paul67, Any info on the castle?
The new training ground looks the business....well done to everyone involved.
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Sir Paul...
Here are my thoughts...on the New Training Facility.
Love the Name!
I am a Fervent Fundamentalist( Ah didna know that!...ed)(No,no that sort)
The Fundamentals are where everything starts.
CelticFc Training Centre.
That's what it is.
Economy of Description.
It's when one strays from the Fundamental Path, that errors occur and are Compounded.(Gies us an example....ed)( The Roman Catholic Church...for one...Colonel Sanders is another,but that is another story)
CelticFC Training Centre.
Says it all....really!(copyright,the Welsh Dragon,Circa 2005 A.D.)
Kojo
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TerryO'Neill.
That comment below a commemorative plaque would be appropriate,I think he'd smile at that.
gerry.
I think theres still 17 acres left to develope,thats a fair piece of of real estate,I think the castle belongs to the club.
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As I stated in my previous post there must be something put in place re McCann's contribution to the Celtic that we have today.
I remember being involved in the Save our Celts Campiagn and in particular a home game at Celtic Park.It was the one were a whole line of people wore white T shirts with letters declaring Sack the Board Support Celtic.
Initially we were thought of as Malcontents and troublemakers .
We were asked by Matt Mcglone to distribute leaflets outlining Fergus McCanns vision of the club and in particular how he could go about constucting a new stadium.
I will never forget the abuse we took as I was stood outside the turnstiles at the old Rangers end.
One individual who I will not name but is still linked with the association at London Road even Spat at one of the boys giving out the leaflets.
I remember he said "are you McCann's henchmen you will all be found out in the end,Scumbags"
I think that time has told this tail and regardless of wether the wee man left with his pockets full is irrelevant without him there would be nothing.
Hail Hail.
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At 09/10/07 12:18, miketw10 said…
Bhoy Molloy @ 09:25
Oh, I know the difference alright!
Saying someone is crap when they're obviously NOT is a personal attack IMHO. And I'm not just talking about Caldwell at right-back!
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Dont you get it, thats a matter of opinion.
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John Hughes...........
TBM
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Ted, easier for you; must have been 20 or more of your lot played for the Mackems,,,,,,,,
TBM
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Bloke 109:I did say the keeper- Shay Given- hadn't played a senior game for Celtic.
The missing Celtic'Sunderland player was a big name for us in throughout the 1960s and very early 1970s.
Now can Edward or an Ibrox-aware Celt match my 15 Rangers players who have played for Sunderland in the last 50 years.
The first one was even a closet Catholic as you had to be in the days of Rangers institutionalized sectarian employment policy.
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Sean South
Yogi -for fifteen minutes in 1973.
By the way I think one player with a Celtic background who didn't play for Celtic, Kieron Brady, is one of the most fondly remembered by the old Roker faithful. Kieron, from Baillieston, played for the first team as a youngster in the late eighties and early nineties. His career was cut short when an operation to his leg went wrong.
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Bhoy_Molloy
Posts such as the ones in the minutes leading up to kick off last week against Milan hardly reveal you to be very supportive of Celtic. Is it any wonder that you are not well regarded by many true Celtic supporters on this site?
Pretty much most posts from you are either negative or of necessity defensive.
Please lighten up. You care about our club at least as much as all others on here. That's obvious.
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Nelsbhoy
Well said.
By questioning what was going on ,you and your compatriots brought about change.
I travelled to a few SOC meetings at Shettleston hall, etc.
You are the best of the best.
Sadly you are very unlikely to ever be commended for your actions.
Fergus deserves to be remembered in some significant way.
I met Matt Mcglone in Leven the night Tommy burns was sacked,He was with David Low.
He extremely obnoxious after a few beers.
He and Low got into a Taxi,and laughed about "The Sh#t that they had told us."
Unbeknown to them ,one of my best friends dad was the Taxi driver and recognised them and spilled the beans to us.
Irrespective of all that Matt McGlone did a magnificent job helping to bring about change.
Whilst in Hamburg i saw a guy assault David Low.
Even though he had been devious i still felt sorry for him.
He also helped Fergus.
15 mins of fame,eh!
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Sean South
A wee start for Eddie - Don Kitchenbrand (closet Catholic)
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My dear friend,Nelsbhoy...
Very well put.
Mr.Fergus is an unique individual... in many ways...
That is, if the increasing amount of Socialist Sympathizers, who inhabit these sainted environs, are to be believed.
Their mantra is ...
Being an Avowed Capitalist and A TRUE Celtic follower, are Mutually Exclusive( Run that by me again?...ed)(Translation..just for you,babe... Chalk is to Cheese!)( Run that by me again!!...ed)( I know.. I don't get THAT explanation, either....but, everybody uses it!)
Fergus was an unabashed Capitalist!
He proved that making a Buck for ONESELF... is, in the LONG RUN...
GOOD FOR EVERYBODY ELSE!( Now ye ur straining my gullibility....ed)(I know, that is a concept, that even strained the Mental Abliities of Karl...so, you are in Bad COMPANY!)
Fergus, is ma Darlin' Bhoy!
Kojo.
Yer pal.... an' Brither.
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Tinytim
Thanks,I still fell that McCann's intervention at Celtic has been washed over and this saddens me.
God only knows were we would be today if he had not got involved.
Mon The Hoops.
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Yo! paul67....:-) tree has gone!!!!
it was a tongue in cheek post about photocritique...well done on tightening up the crop on the pic !!
good on ya!!!
amazing what we have time to put our hands to when its international week !
slan
aldo
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Kojo
Youve got me mate.?????????????????
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Ted...........Chris Woods????????
TBM
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The words 'about time too!' spring to mind when talking about Lennoxtown, or Ardochville as it shall surely be known.
Barrowfield was an embarrassment for a club that claims to be one of the leading clubs in world football.
Looking forward to an open weekend or two that will allow us all to have a wee look around the place. Some on here may be more familiar with the previous tenants ;o)
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Barcabhoy: correct John Hughes played just one match for Sunderland against Millwall in 1973. He picked up an injury after just three minutes of his debut limped off before half time and never played again.
The Rangers list includes some legends (if you can use that word for their lot) whom most of you will get.
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nelsbhoy spot on about wee Fergus.
He put up when others were full of hot air. He made a mint out of getting involved but as far as I am concerned he earned it.
I am proud to have been involved with Celts For Change.
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Kojo are you Collie????
Collie how is Fargo, is he well as.........?????
Your prosaic contributions and right-wing polemics - just joshing or ripping the pish?
TBM = The Bhoy with Multiple Personalities...........
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ElDiegoBhoy ,
To lighten the mood a little , I captured this from your esteemed self during a moment of insanity.
At 24/09/07 21:18, ElDiegoBhoy said…
The Huns will win the league by at least 15 points.
Go get him Bhoy_Molloy !!!
;-))))))))))
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Piratechnic:Spot on with your closet Catholic.
14 more to get (there may be even more than that).
Celtic-daft Kieron Brady- Great talent, lost to the game so early.
Jim Holton, god rest his soul died age 42 in 1993, another who started his career with Celtic also played for Man U and Scotland.
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big liam
You rascal!
Well done on you. Schnapps had been taken, and not holiday ones!
Apologies if the spechling is out.
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On the last thread Big Wavy said in relation to Campbell "I'm pleased that after some of our less enlightened fans heading back to Ireland"
I cannot be the only person slightly scared by the ethnic cleansing among the Celtic support right now. I support a united Ireland I am proud of the fact that Celtic have an Irish History I am also not in favour of singing rebel songs at football games. I am extremely proud of what I consider the inclusiveness that comes with being a Celtic supporter. and nothing please me more than when I see asian or other visibly minority Ethnic kids running around in the Hoops.
But this attempt to brandish all who in any way retain allegience to our Irish heritage as neanderthals at worst or "less enlightened" by the moral minority is anathema to me. Campbell and his ilk are purveyors of the worst excesses of bigotry and oppression and it is ridiculous to feign surprise that any nationalist in recognising him would not subject him to some form of taunts - many less controversial politicians get the same.
Would Bush go unscathed on a ferry full of Iraqis (if one were needed)
Doesn't necessarilly make me Catholic and even less so reactionary
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My dear friend, Nelsbhoy...
Watch...........
I believe that Maggie Thatcher was a Great Prime Minister.
She is the Fundamentalist's Fundamentalist...in skirts...and handbag.
She was the one who destroyed the Socialist Influence in Government...
She, awakened the British People out of their Marxist Slumber.
Want more?...
I think RONALD REAGAN was the Man of the Century.
He dealt the Death Blow...to this Communist Nonsense.
Capitalism is just ... Capital,my lad...just...
Capital!
E.G.
Celtic becomes a PLC.
Celtic Opens new STADIUM
Celtic Returns to Success
The G.A. now sinks to NEW lows
Celtic opens brand new State of the Art Training Facility
Now, what was responsible for this AMAZING TURN AROUND IN THE FORTUNES OF CELTIC?( I know!..Please, Sir ..I Know!....ed)Quiet, Kid...I am on a Roll!)
Elementary, my deah Algernon!!!
CAPITALISM!!!!!!!!!!!!
Q.E.D.
Kojo.
Yer Pal...who likes ye.
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In that case Kojo, let's praise Hitler. He turned the economy round, got rid of this communist nonesense too.
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My dear friend, Tobi...
Hitler, you say....Hitler?
Who mentioned Hitler?...
Please re-read my last
submission,pal.
collie will just love you... he just dotes on Non Sequiturs!
Kojo.
Yer Pal... for ever and ever.
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Is the Celtic FC Training Centre really the most imaginative name our board could come up with?
We should be celebrating our history by naming it after a Celtic great who would be mentioned every time the Centre is in the media.
We have stands for Jock and his Lisbon Lions and statues for Brother Walfrid and Jinky (on its way).
How about ripping the proverbial out of Rangers vain, self-centred meglamaniac owner by honouring a real football great with Maley Park?
My shortlist for a future renaming would include:
Michael Davitt
Jimmy McGrory
Johnny Thompson
Paul McStay
Fergus McCann
And what about Ceasar's Palace in honour of Big Billy McNeill.
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What about Sally re Mackems and Monkeys?
Actually met him there while travelling up from East Anglia with a Blue Nose pal of mine from EK and we decided to have a break in the journey and take in a reserve game where the 'grinning one' was playing and as my mate at the time, who claimed to be a better player than Sally (from their Duncanrigg days) and knew him well; probably true (about him being a better player) because we were team mates (the mate) for a few years Dan Sarf, and he was ok on the park in a Davie Weir type of way!!!!!. Don't think he will be reading or visiting this site......... Anyway, have to say -'the grinning one' was excellent company and looked after us very well. Just goes to show eh!
Another Sunderland one for you Ted; BTW did all your pals at the Kaflik skools in Castellmalik do your homework for you before you moved to ershir???..........Joking ok! before the PC mob take me to task!!
TBM
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McCann the most important Celt since Stein.
His biggest achievement was not building the biggest stadium in Glasgow. It was filling it for every single match!
Therefore guarenteeing a war chest of £20m per season before a ball was kick.
To be far Desmond has advanced the club to an even greater level.
He backed MON after Barnes, Dalglish and McDonald had blown a fortune. And built a great Training Complex. All that is left to do, is win a European tournament!
Manchester anyone?
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Kojo
F###in dumfounded,Are you serious man."Be prepared, oh be prepared.
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To those that have been talking to me re Sunderland, sorry I'm just this minute back in and have to go again.
TBM :- The did for a while but I was fed up being bottom of the class so started doing it myself ;-)
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delia points peter the pointer to the exit door :-(
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Peter the pointer sadly got the tin tack tonight at Norwich.
PA say: "Norwich manager Peter Grant has left the Coca-Cola Championship club by mutual consent after a poor start to the season.
The 1-0 defeat at fellow strugglers QPR last night left the Canaries in the relegation zone with just eight points from their opening 10 games and Grant admitted after the match that he would "assess his situation" at the club.
Grant, 42, took over at Carrow Road in October 2006 after Nigel Worthington's departure at exactly the same point of the season and guided them to a 16th-placed finish last year but witnessed his side fail to score in their last six games. "
Barcabhoy:Yes Sally McCoist is another Sunderland Ranger. I know Edward is busy so maybe you can do it for him just to show how good our schools really are.
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My dear friend, Nelsbhoy...
Serious?
Oh,yes!...and, indubitably so...I
am, I am!
Kojo.
Yer pal..... who thinks yer swell
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St Francis Borgia where I am tonight/today......
Sleep well all.
Hail Hail
pro TBM, is that OK?
Difficult to find cons with that name..............ah Jeffers!
I know that it is normally your gig WG but for tonight, humour me!
TBM
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Sean South
Now your on the ball.
If I had my way I would rename the stands as
Main Stand - Stein Stand - because he was the main man although the Maley Main Stand has a ring to it.
The Big North Stand the Lions Stand as it was our biggest achievement.
The traditional rangers end the John Thompson Stand to remind us all there is somethings more important.
And the Celtic end after Jimmy McGrory the biggest Celtic fan ever to wear the hoops. He turned down a fortune to continue playing for Celtic because nothing was better!
Training Complex I'm not sure I'm just glad it here. Well done Fergus and Dermott.
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Oh Kojo - tin hat time man.
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Sean South, Nelsbhoy, Ted, et al.
Enjoyed tonight; thanks and take care. People first and foremost!
Hail Hail
TBM
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WGS, no, Gordon had left when Peter commented on the contract report.
Gordon has been quite serious with the media recently.
Oldtim67, it does not bear thinking about the condition we would be in if the old board remained in control, probably playing our home games at New Broomfield.
Gerry, there are no immediate plans to develop any of the rest of the ground. They can only fund so much at the one time while keeping football operations on an even keel.
Kojo, aye, I like the name too. There was a funny wee moment at the PC (get with the lingo) today when someone asked, “Celtic Training Centre, but what will the name be”, “That is the name” came the reply from our chairman.
Never a word wasted.
Nelsbhoy, 19:57, very distressing.
As someone once said:
‘In the land of the blind, the one eyed man is stoned to death’.
This superior corruption to the more popular version of this phrase is brought to my mind most weeks.
Discuss.
Yo! Aldo, I was really pleased to get that feedback on the pic. I really want to get into pictures, but don’t have a clue on how it’s done.
Whitedogs better half sorted me out with a pic I am holding for the right moment, which gave me an idea for today’s (she knows what she is doing with these things).
Kojo, 20:57, I am close to taking the bait.
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Kojo-
Gotcha !
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No Noel....He is older....
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My dear friend, Kevtic....
Tell me, palomine...
Are you not a Closet Capitalist,as well...?
Hmmmmmm?
Of course, you are!
Anyone, such as your good self, who shows such FUNDAMENTAL ( There's that word,again...ed)( And why not?)Good Un--Common Sense!!.. gives the game away!
You are in good company,then.
Along with Putin and Castro... who are firm believers,also...
Don't Believe, me?
Trust me,pal.
As long as the Suckers go in for that Communist Piffle...those two gentlemen will not miss any meals... or living the LIVES OF THE RICH AND FAMOUS!
The ONLY TYPE OF GOVERNMENT THAT IS FAIR TO ALL.....
Is the One...
Headed by a PHILOSOPHER KING!
And, goodness knows... we shall never see one of those!
My Philosophy?
Easy!
Look after NUMBER ONE... and keep looking back.... Making sure that Number Two... is well behind!
Works for Me!
Kojo.
Your Pal... for ever and ever.
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PJ- maybe he's older than KJ......
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PJBhoy
I've hesitated for some time but confess to have given in!
An O'Brien playing for the Hoops. Estadio will have a comment on that !
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Aye ye might be Right......Alhough I doubt it.
But He most certainly is....
:0)
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Another Mr Smith
from the HB.
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I was in Stockholm last night and took in the Hammarby vs Helsingborgs game. I was totally thrilled to see the King in action again. Henke took a lot of stick from the home fans throughout the game.
Unbelievably, the match was stopped by the referee after 80 mins because the Hammarby fans were throwing coins at the linesman. This was the third such incident involving Hammarby fans in the last year.
The Swedish teams do not have many stewards or police for non Derby games. Kinda puts the incidents of last week in a bit of perspective.
Henke was not a happy at the game being stopped.
The game restarted and the last 10 mins were played out with Helsinborgs winning 2 nil.
Given the stick he took and the coin throwing incident, the King still took the time to come over and sign my Celtic top saying "There you go.." before heading down the tunnel.
Henrik Larsson. What a Legend.
Lubo.
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My dear,dear, friends Noel and PJBhoyNyc.....
Unmasked at Last?
Heaven to Betsy!
All I will say is that You have stumbled onto something that is Too Important to discuss in Public.
One of those Gentlemen...could be mistaken for, Kelso...on a Foggy Day in London Town!
However... here is the rub...
Whicha Wan?
Kojo.
Yer Pal... who just Loves yer sense of Humor... the Baith o' ye ur too smart fur ye're ain good!
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EDB....
My advice to you on that front is the same advice I would give to Kojo.
When I was a lad I hoped and prayed for my name to be sung from the terraces of Paradise.....
Be careful what you wish for...
Cause if you wish hard enough it may come true......
Just not the way you Anticipated!
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Kojo I agree with you about Margaret Thatcher.She also introduced democracy to Argentina,home ownership to many who thought it impossible and saw Mugabe for the tyrant he became. E.D.sectarian line from your ditties? We`ll guard old Derry,s[never mind the H------] Try "King James and all his rebel band" equates Catholicism with rebellion. Please, not in 2007. Its the mantra of the orange order ,whose only function is anti-catholicism.
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Lubo-
Brilliant .
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Noel90 & PJBhoynyc :- I'm afraid you are both wrong, it has puzzled me for a while but using various posts from him and other mentions from the cotterie I think I have finally cracked his identity.
here
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Kojo :- Hope you take the above in the spirit it's meant ;-)
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Sir Paul....
Ach! Ye ur also too smart fur yer ain guid!
I honestly thought that I could have slipped one past you!
Whatta Hope!
But, don't worry,pal....
ONE OF THESE DAYS!!!
Kojo.
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Sean South...
Sunderland Gers?
Baxter (played in the 5-0 game :))
McCoist
Brand
Nicholl
Reyna
Woods
Butcher
Flo
Rae
Johnston
Munro
Bjorklund
Myhre
Dibble
Derek Ferguson
Ian McColl was their manager for a few seasons.
Did you know that Sunderland beat Celtic (whisper it - 7-1)in a friendly at Roker Park in 1960?
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PJBhoy
So pleased it's so easy to keep in touch. I'm determined to get out your way for a beer.
Regards,
EDB
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Top 50 Football Jerseys Of All Time
Guess who are in at No.8?
Not a tatty Rangers top in site.
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MacJay ;- I have to disagree with you on that one, whoever lost that series of battles was going to be declared a rebel. While I can apreciate your reasoning I'm afraid I don't share your conclusions.
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My dear,dear,Friend.... Ed.
Naw! Fur after awe....whatever else I ascribe too...
I can enjoy a wee joke AGAINST Ma Sel!
Actually...
Self Depreciating Humor.... is the best kind!
May I add,palomine...
You have chosen a fine Example!
Kojo.
Yer Pal.... who wonders, and wonders and wonders.....
Okay?... You get the Idea?
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Ed I think I have cracked his identity.
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Enjoying the banter but I will have to leave you all for the moment as I am doing a JR for She who must be Obeyed......
Ahem!!!
Later....
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i see gary mcallister has said he believes the celtic and rangers shift to buying and bringing through scottish players has been one of the key factors in the scotland resurgence.
i think also gordon strachan deserves credit as he started this policy, perhaps not completely voluntatily but all the same
lets hope the new facility helps see more youngsters come through
scotland at a record high of no 14 in the world i believe
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macjay she might have saw Mugabe for the tyrant he became but she wasn't so clever with Pinochet was she?
When she pops I'm throwing a street party.
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macjay 22.00
I don't think Mugabe was too popular with the Conservatives as he helped over throw white rule and all the business interests that went with it. They weren't too keen on Mandela either.
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My dear,dear,dear,dear, friend Macjay...
Have I at last, unearthed a Fellow Thinker?
It would appear so!
Well cut off my Nose...just tae spit ma Face!(Huh?...ed)( What's da maitter...it's done... EVERYDAY!especially oan here after a Cel'ic Defeat!)
I cannot have the thought as I write... that there is even Wan Person, who agrees with my Philosophy!
The mere thought, extremly disturbing!
There is the forlorn chance, of course...that you have mis-understood my claims?
Possible!
Please re- think your tacit agreement in some of my points of view....
And get back!
Kojo.
Yer pal... who thinks ye ur way,way, up der ...with Santa Claus and Ma Generous, Uncle Ned
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I think I've found WG
Certainly sounds like his patter
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Kojo
You should be in the meedja.
Yur headlines wid sell loads o copy.
Yer a master of gettin attenshun.
Create controversy and sell,sell,sell.
Yippedeedoodah!
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Sean South maybe you can find out something I was told by a Sunderland fan. I was in hospitality down at the Stadium of Light when they were in the second top division ( I cant remember what it was called) but they beat Tranmere to start a terific unbeaten run and got promoted.
Any way back to the question out of the hospitality box there were only 2 intersted in the game, me and a Sunderland fan who got an invite at the last minute..right im boring myself now... He said to me that during Butchers term of management he got rid of all the tims/catholics including in this guys opinion the best young talent he had saw at Sunderland Warren Hawke.
Any truth in it or an urban myth?
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Noel
8th ? That's disgraceful.
Top three along with Ajax and Real.
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I would like to add my disgust at the absolute dearth of lies and rumour on this site.
Yes, by all means admit that half the lies you tell aren't true but get real.
Now, in this day and age of no ETims rumour mill, (are they related tae that wummin thit scooped the £35m big wans and noo just cannae be ars*d?) it is time to stand up and rebel against the boo boys that sang about oor King Artur bein a nutter.....could,ve been so much better boys...but...if we beat TFOD then in Lisbon we can reinact the old ditty of a year ago with.......
Walter (Smith) is gonnae get the sack
The league was won before the clocks went back
I put Smith in brackets in case emdy fae the press forgot what his surname wiz.
Bring back Glenn Tim Tim.
Enough.
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My dear,dear,dear,dear,dear,old friend... Tiny
An' how d'ye no,no, Know... that I am no?
Well,in a way I am...(Ah guess ye ur,so....ed)( ( Watch it Pal... dinna be gi'en any hints!.....)
And I know for a fact...
That you agree with every word that I have said, regarding ...
SELF INTEREST!
And why not?
The Practise of same ensures that...
That's how Mamma get's New shoes...
and the Baby can go to College!( Ah wee bit young for that, at the moment...I would think...ed)( That's your trouble...Ye Think to Much!)
Look at it this way...I know it has been said before...but( I just gave ye the secret sign... that I went to a Catholic School...see if you have picked up on it!)
Now ,what was I saying?
Ach ...
Ma Train has been switched tae another track...
I've noo lost it.( Is that the Train..or... the Track?....ed)(Now that you put it that way... Both!)
Kojo.
Yer Pal... who likes ye.
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Kojo
"talkinaboot?"
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Ardoch Allende,Pinochet,C.I.A I.M.H.O.shameful episode.`75 perhaps.Thatcher arrived`79.Labour in government.What was their response?Chile gave the task force great assistance at the time of the Falklands.Thatcher probably guilty of gratitude.However,I agree Pinochet just another nasty Latin American dictator...like Galtieri,Viola,who stole the `78 world cup,and Castro and now his protege in Venezuela and ,wait for it,Castro`s brother in Havana. Kind of puts John Reid,war criminal,into perspective.
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amazing
not 1 football comment in half an hour since smashy talked about it
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That***r was out on her a**e, until the Malvinas/Falklands gave her the oppo to kill lots of people and get re-elected
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Nicked from KTF.
‘Catenaccio’ – A tactical system with an emphasis on defence, intended to prevent losing goals
‘Wattienaccio’ – Playing 4-5-1 at home against an SPL side, and getting gubbed 1-0 in the process
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jeez
see you managed to get 5 stars in one sentence. Subconciously, are you trying to tell us something?
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Paul67
in the land of the blind the one eyed man probably walks around naked
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31003
Just waitin to see the Hibs goal prior to retiring pour le soir.
Spent too much time in ML2 drinkin in dodgy boozers
the ball is round sometimes
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31003
Yeah, But one big star is always worth more than 5 little ones.....
As you get older, you come round to the Bill Hicks idea of Politicans, anyone whom wants to become one, should be automatically disqualified from doing so...
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is it just me or has this site just had a cryptic clue fire sale?
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Jerseys/Badges
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it begs the question,
Why have a small tart when you can have a slice of the bigger pie?
whit?
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Kano, Sean South we have always invited bigots against our beliefs to our ground we do so next year when around 8000 will be there and the most bigotted will be in the dear seats next to our board.
The last time they were there was the worst display (if thats the right word) of singing I have heard since singing about Johnny Doyle and maybe even worse.
So I hope you are leading the charge.
Sean I think you are in the press (maybe wrongly) somewhere can you please point me to your reports against the Jock Stein lie? Or your reports against John Reid becoming the Celtic chairman?
If thats not your job accept my apologies but for someone who is on here wanting everyone else to shout the truth please tell me what you have doen on these 2 topics in your job?
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31003, not if that land is Scotland, where even the unwatched need a jumper in July.
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31003
Pies and tarts?
Are you hungry?
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Jeez 23.05 Re-elected democratically in a landslide Perhaps the British people approved and did not feel it reasonable for Galtieri to add to his potential list of desaparecidos. In addition,her opponent was,I think,Michael Foot.Labour party manifesto described as "longest suicide note in history" by Gerald Kauffman.She didn`t need Galtieri ,she had Michael Foot. KOJO! HANDERS!!!
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kojo
I'll respond to your phishing.
Be as right wing as you like but history is sacred. The revisionist angle that Reagan brought down communism is a laugh. The CIA reports at the time show that they never saw it coming. Even as the Wall came down, he was still unsure of what was happening. Now maybe his wife's astrologer knew what was going on? RR was a rogue and a charlatan.
As for Maggie.....
I'm with Elvis Costello from the Spike album on that one. National holiday when she goes- a week long.
BTW my guess on your identity-
Hugh K
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Macjay@23:34
Poll Tax & Civil Strife in major English cities, she polarised people like no other, agree to differ.
SFTB
Was in Poland a few times in the early 90's, RR was seen as a Folk Hero!! See people.....
Why wasn't the Oran...sorry Tangerine Rangers away top in the top fifty? Always liked the Vasco da Gama top myself...even with the sash!
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My dear,dear,Friend, Macjay.
You are doing very well on yer oan...
And remember ... Mrs Thatcher's Adjuration, that "ADVERSITY... STRENGTHENS ...AGREEMENT STIFLES!"( Say, I like that..I think I shall have that Laminated for my WALLET!)( No need ,old bhoy..have one of mine...I have plenty)
Kojo.
Yer Pal... who thinks ye ur doing a Bang Up Job!
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s.f.t.b. Respectfully,the truth is sacred.History is a matter of opinion.Re. the Soviet Union and the end of communism,perhaps we can believe the Kremlinites .They couldn`t compete with the spending .Enter Gorbachev the pragmatist.He and reagan were the stars,I.M.H.O.
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My dear friend, Setting Free the Bears....
You mean to sit there and write.... that you believe anything, that the C.I.A. says?
That, coupled with your Choice of a Corresponding Vindicator, as to your Political Leanings..??
Well, there is not much more to be said.
Kojo.
Yer pal.... who jist looks at things a wee bit differently... not, that there is anything wrong with that...OR... Is there?
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macjay
My point is that it was an explanation after the fact. Like me shouting abuse at a Rangers goalie just before we score and then claiming credit for the victory.
jeez I...
I understand why the Poles have that view. You and me and anyone else would be grateful to escape the dictatorship of Stalin or Mao. You don't have to be a Reaganite to be truly anti-communist. There's a lot of ordinary heroes living lives between the ideologies of the bar stewards on either side of the Cold War.
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Thatcher and Celtic.
I may be havering on this one but Roy Aitken wiped his hand before shaking her hand as he collected the Scottish Cup. There was a funny line around at the time, along the lines of 'aye, he only wiped his hand cos...'. I can't remember the line. This ring any bells?
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liam
Link doesnae work - you got it?
Cheers
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Here it is
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/spo...cle2626108.ece
Staggering
Low - David Bowie
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bloke 109
Think this is what big liam is referring to.
Logic 101 course needed for this idiot.
duffield's wisdom
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This is an article from G.Speirs talking to Gordon Smith. The headline "There is an agenda against Rangers over sectarianism’ says SFA chief"
If anyone out there doesn't think we're in a war against the establishment here's undeniable proof.
When the rats get cornered they get dangerous. This man isn't suitable for the job of SFA chief.
CLICK HERE
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My dear friend, Bloke109
Do you really think...in the supposition... that your anecdote is TRUE,in the first place...
That Mr.Aitken's impolite behaviour, under the said circumstances....is to be admired and commended?
As I have just said...
Hmmmmmmm!
Kojo.
yer pal..... who likes ye... but doesnae imagine, that that discourteous gesture, by Mr.Aitken..... REALLY EVER HAPPENED.
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Ni
Thanks, and agreed.
For those of you watching in black and white, Gordon Smith is the Chief Executive of the SFA, not of Rangers, as may appear from the article.
Having said that, it could be argued that Speirs is giving him enough rope to hang himself.
“I always try to be objective and the most frustrating thing is that people can’t see that.”
You know someone has lost it when they say all they want to do is be objective - it clearly means they are not. I'd be interested in a psyche's take on it, as translated it means 'I'm always right, and it's frustrating people can't see that'. The ego has landed and will take off a week on Thursday - just after the Scotland game, just before the game on October 20. I sense he's just warming up.
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greenlion2:I actually got Warren Hawke to Sunderland when Denis Smith was manager. He to the best of my knowledge was not RC.Went to State School Monkseaton High in Whitley Bay, drank with his Dad, Warren senior, who deffo was not RC.Not sure about his mum as they split up.
I was delighted he got on as sub in 1992 FA Cup Final against The Beast and Liverpool- SAFC lost 2-0.
But he was nowhere near good enough at top level after loans at the likes of Chesterfield, Carlisle , Northampton etc (get the picture).
Played at Raith but had his best spells at Berwick and then Morton.
Butcher, who was a tw** at Sunderland-hated me more than Simple Minds and U2- can be accused of many anti-Catholic acts really don't thin this is one of them. You are right -urban myth, methinks.
I write only about English football so no chance of writing about the things you mention.
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I've just read that for a second time and it is truly staggering.
How can a man with such entrenched views on Catholic schools and "anti-Rankers agendas" give an impartial view in anything concerned with Celtic.
Are we to assume that these will be the ongoing views of the SFA as a whole or is Smith speaking from a wholly personal point of view?
Either way these views or the expression of them are in no way becomming of the position he holds.
Does anyone know when the interviews for this book took place, and is Smith now regretting how forthcoming he was regarding his views if the interviews were before he took up his appointment with SFA.
As someone on her is prone to say
SACK DUFFIELD!!!
Mr Clean - The Jam
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Kojo
Ha, I fear you misunderstand me, apologies.
Go 8.12 seconds in - Archie says 'very gallantly wiping his hands of sweat': Celtic v DunUtd
Roy wiped his hand as it was sweaty etc, in a gentlemanly, courteous way before he shook her hand. No problem on that.
I just remember someone in the press turning the gesture around as if to suggest something else.
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My dear friend, Bloke109...
I see that you were in actuality referring to Mr. Aitken's gesture per se.
Not....as I had Mistakenly assumed.. as an allusion to the Derogatory INTERPRETATION of it..by others.
I stand corrected in my assumption.
Please accept my apology.
I should have known that you,of all people, was of a superior cut of garment, than as to what I implied.
"Ready, when you are...C.B.!"
Kojo.
Yer Pal....forever and ever.
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Ah Kojo, bygones...
But seriously, Kojo, give us a line or more on Gordon Smith.
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I have kept back from sharing this however just over a month ago I wrote to Mr Smith complaining about moonbeam mentioning Scott Brown's salary on two occasions. The letter went like this:
MR GORDON SMITH
Chief Executive
The Scottish Football Association Ltd
Hampden Park
Glasgow
G42 9AY
Dear Mr Smith,
CONDUCT OF RANGERS FC’s CHAIRMAN
Over the past month I have been appalled by the comments of the Rangers Football Club’s chairman, David Murray detailing a salary of a player at a rival club.
The offending comments were repeated at the Rangers club’s AGM and were published in the Scottish Daily Mail on Friday 24th August. The direct quote was:
“Brown is earning £25,000, with £3,000 appearance money”.
On two separate occasions Mr Murray has publicly stated the salary details of Scott Brown, Celtic FC in my view this brings our game into disrepute. In 25 years of following football I have never heard of a chairman of a football club mention in any detail the wages of an employee never mind another club’s employee. This is unacceptable and as a customer of Scottish footbalI I expect the SFA to investigate such comments.
It was also stated that Mr Murray went on to ask how he could re-negotiate his own players contracts if he had approved such a deal. In doing so publicly, was he hoping to create unrest at his rivals’ club? Regardless of his reasons Mr Murray should be reminded of his position in the game and that this sort of behaviour is very much against the spirit of the game and that other clubs’ players and wage structure is of no concern of his.
The whole sorry affair strikes of sour grapes. In the not so distant past Mr Murray paid fortunes to players and if his club can no longer pay the highest wages in the country he will just need to accept this and not go crying about it in public. As these comments where aired in public then I feel at the very least the SFA should instruct the Rangers chairman to issue a public apology to both Scott Brown and Celtic Football Club which may allow the Rangers club to regain it’s dignity.
I look forward to your views on this matter and I trust that you will take the necessary action as I am sure the SFA and it’s members will not want this to become common practise.
Sincerely,
cc - D Murray, Rangers FC ,
I expected the standard reply "Oh I didn't read this himself" and wasn't surprise when I received Mr Smith's reply. He went on to state unless Celtic or Scott Brown made a complaint the matter would not be looked into.
Clearly thought my point that "the SFA and it’s members will not want this to become common practise was lost on our new Chief Executive.
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Kevtic
'allow Rangers to retain their dignity'
:)
I'm loving your work Kev.
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This guy landed the top job in the S.F.A.
Last week he gave his thoughts on that he believes that Catholicism is to blame for sectarianism in society namely catholic schools.
So how in anybodies wisdom can he speak out against sectarianism in football with views such as his?
This is the same guy who at a junior cup game waited until 60 mins into the game to have a very distasteful banner removed only because a journalist reminded him of his job title?
(Cheers guys for spotting the broken link)
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GL2,
there is no "invite" to them.
It will either be a SPL directive,or a quid pro quo arrangement with Celtic.
Different scenario altogether.
Like "Benny" who brings up "Gerry and Martin" as some sort of answer to criticism of John Reid and Campbell being invited to Celtic Park.
None of them have been invited or offered a seat on the board.
Once he gets it through his thick skull,that opposition to these guys at Celtic Park is actually nothing to do with them being there,or their politics.
Maybe we shall have some small hope that he will realise what "war on terror" actually is.
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A while back, people on here were asking 'What qualities does Gordon Smith have to make him suitable for his new job with the SFA ?'
The answer is now obvious - ALL OF THEM.
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TBM,
Bacardi!!!!
Perhaps you should try hair laquer.
Some of that tastes better.
Thought I had joined a "camp" I knew nothing about there.
Seems I have done that a few times in the last few weeks.
Gangs and cliques.
Popular guy me.
Benny,
couldn't resist one more wee dig.
"Many Celtic fans support the war against terror me being one".
Don't know many Celtic supporters who support things that do not exist.
"I support democracy over fanatics who would have your head and mine on a spike"
How gallant of you.
Obviously anybody who disagrees with you,doesn't.
We are either "marxists fantasists" or "crawling provy apologist".(Don't know about you,but we found the provy wummin was perfectly nice,even though we used to turn off the telly and stay quiet when she came to the door sometimes)
Good grief man,what do you read,or who do you listen to to form your opinions?
Obviously,very little beyond the Sun headlines.
And I for one will be back to attack the chairman elect.
Feel free to be "back in"
The more you post the better.
Supporters of him like yourself,do more for the argument against him.
But,then,if you are for real,I really don't expect you to see that.
Which is a great thing.
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Paul67
So there you go posting an appropriately optimistic piece about the Future.....And what do we end up with...?
Well a Variety of subjectives.....Thatcher, Hitler, Capitalism, Marxists, Plato, Terrorists, spikes, Philosopher Kings, & Speirsy Following up with a remake of "Smith Must Score...an Angus Og'........etc etc etc...
Enough to make yer Heid SPIN eh?
Do not think the subjective terms above are not unrelated.
Last night I posted a PLEA to discuss JR in a rational manner, an urbane manner, with all due civilities acknowledged. Alas it was not to be...
Because it is CLEARLY too emotive a subject for many...
Unsurprisingly to some......But not to others..
Lets paint the picture in more Green and White terms.....
Do You Consider These to be Irrefutable Facts?
1. Celtic and its support are all Inclusive.
2. Celtic & their Support are Ambassadors abroad .
Well Bear with me if you Concur....
Somebody has to give Gordon Smiths PR company a Shake...
But By Ghod DD's too.
JR's annointment is a Highly Contentious Issue for Celtic Supporters...This, Logically, is not conducive to the Club being what could be called Inclusive....As is evident from the comments on Your pages.
Will the Chairman elect reflect or enhance the International Reputation currently ENJOYED by the Club (and its marketing Dept).
Or will the Club enjoy his?
Hmmmmmm.
And talking of Scotland...Me thinks that the SPL and the SFA are sqealing with the pain of imminent emasculation.... Europe beckons because the Market demands it.....Imminently. Maybe JR has them quaking in their boots...
Is it Worth it?
Proposing JR as Chairman is such a contentious issue at home,(and potentially more so abroad) one must ask will it benefit our international reputation?
No. It negates it.
Sorry but that is the logical conclusion.
Does it confirm our status as an Inclusive club? No. It negates it...as your Pages prove.
Sorry but that is the logical conclusion.
The Politics of Thatcher, Adam Smith, Anthony Fisher, Freud and Scratchi and Scrattchi...I will leave till later (maybe Thursday) because although it is not as important as the facts above...
They Are Equally As Relevant & Pertinent....To the Thing our Manager Despises... SPIN.
A Song For The Times Bhoys
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Sorry about the problems with the Finale...
But it is a Song for Europe.....I mean..the Times Bhoys....
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PJB
I prefer this one. Does it make me a philistine?
Brothers in Arms
'GG ducking out of all the contentious issues international week brings.
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'GG
You Sir?
Never....One of these....?
Nah...
You are a Celtic Supporter....
Over & Over...
(I have observed you over a significant duration...)
G'Night Y'All...
Roll On the 20th October....
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'GG
Afore I hit the scratcher....I must scratch...
I just LISTENED to the lyrics again after many years
You posted A Song of Solomon...
WISE ONE
(Ye Must be Auld.....)
G'Night
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What's going on here at Celtic Quick News ?
Neo-Cons attempting a coup last night-
attempting to justify EVERY right wing maniac who has held power in the last 30 years.
You missed out the guys who are running Burma just now.
Wake up Bhoys-
We have trouble at t'mill
[cheers to Big Liam and SFTBs]
A Neo-Con ANTI-CATHOLIC,ANTI CELTIC ,WIG-WEARING,MEGALOMANIAC has been given total control of football matters in this country.
Send your ire and angst in his direction.
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KOJO re22.44 Paul Keating,P.M. here till `96 approx. Quote: "In the horserace of life,back Self Interest,because you know it`s trying." Sorry, should have said,labour P.M.
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Kano, finished the hair lacquer, bacardi is all that is left!!!!!!
TBM
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macjay,
there you go again,confusing the Australian Labor Party,(note the spelling,even they didn't have the nerve to keep it as labour,and the English,or British one)with some sort of Left wing ideology.
You just don't get it do you?
There are no mainstream left wing political parties,in either the UK Australia,or America,in fact I am quite sure they are illegal in "the land of the free".
They are all right wing.
And that is the way it shall be kept in our "democracies".
That is a good thing isn't it.
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TBM,
fair enough,we have all ran out at one time or another,and drank stuff we have regretted.
Just tell me you don't have any gin,in case the bacardi runs out.
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E.U. 22.O5 I agree.Rebels in 1690 is perhaps understandable.But your guys sing this song today.You must know that it is offensive because it is intended to be so.
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Evening,Kano Sorry you didn`t like the wee joke.Thank`s for the spelling lesson.You are quite right ,of course.Perhaps there are no left wing political parties because `in the words of the immortal Billy Connolly,the people don`t want them. To me that`s what is a good`thing.There I go again!
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Kano, had a few pints of red before that.........but aye there's gin for when....
At work now, late again, so mostly 'lurking' as opposed to working.
Anyway, hope all is well with you and yours.
TBM
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macjay,
indeed.
Believe me,I haven't missed the joke.
Keep talking,you are doing a sterling job.
Couldn't do a better one if I tried.
TBM,
No problems here
Everybody keeping very well and generally healthy.
Should be cooling down a wee bit for yourelves should it not?
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Kano, aye it's down to 36 Deg C so not too bad................
TBM
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Disappointed though hardly surprised by Duffield's comments. Celtic need to get a clear answer as to whether this is his own personal view or the view of the SFA corporate body.
It will never be admitted that it's the latter, so if it's the former than I think there are good grounds gor us to request his resignation.
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I Still Hate Thatcher!!!!
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I don't know if anyone else saw it but there was a feature on the news last night in which Hoopslegend Neil Lennon spoke at the launch of a campaign highlighting depression;clearly as anex-Celt he'll always be ahero but he does come over as a well-rounded individual and it says a lot for him that he would allow himself to be associated with this cause.
On the other hand-the comments of the SFA president GDSmith are very worrying.Not once does he mention the signing policy at Rang###,a policy that would have been active when he played there;and a policy that was replicated throughout Scottish life and work.There was not a Catholic consultant in Glasgow Royal Infirmary before 1975.The consultant rounds in the Victoria were referred to[only half-jokingly]as the Orange Walk.
Unfortunately because of this outdated concept of the OF any time Rang### are found guilty of murder wee Joe Mcgoebbels and his gang point out that Celtic are parked on a double yellow line.
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This has to be one of the most incredibe statements I've ever read, from a man in such a position:
“But why is there a problem when Rangers come out and say similar things? Why is it a problem when Rangers come out and say they were set up by people from a Church of Scotland upbringing and that they have a Unionist background?”
Perhaps something to do with the 100 years of a sectarian employment policy and the fostering of such an atmosphere which has led likes of Mikel Arteta to give interviews suggesting their religion was a 'problem' - in 2003!!!!!
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Morning fhellas,
The boredom of international week has clearly allowed us to concentrate on 'other' passionate matters relating to the celtic family. Thought it some great debate, primarily held in some great spirit…..couple of posters I need to give answers to from late yesterday without hopefully bringing up another day of the 'rebel song' debate.
Piratecnic - Loved the posts yesterday and tried to keep the debate practical (thus the DUP addy) and celtic-related but the stuff late yesterday of "I have spent half my life - and at times paid for it with more than money - being proactive against Campbell and his ilk" was imho cringeworthy and of no relevance to a blog about celtic football club. Let's keep it factual, to the point and let's learn to disagree. I think your campaign for the club to justify irish rebel songs is bonkers, and you think my opposition is likewise. I can live with that. All good debate, but I feel a poster loses it when this emotional posturing gets rolled out with no relevance to the argument at hand. Your posts later in the night were superb by the way.
Havanalaugh - You are clearly a man with a sense of humour given your moniker but to take a small snippet of mine (and the chairman's comments) about a minority of fans on a boat who acted out of turn, as a generalism for our support suggests you have either an agenda or you've been somewhat lazy in your reading. Ethnic cleansing amongst the celtic support ? Good gawd no. We have clearly different moral codes on this one but I still think it was wrong to have done what SOME fans did on the boat to the point of upsetting/frightening a woman. We all have mothers, how would we have felt if our own was subjected to that sort of stuff ?
PJBhoynyc - Great post at 5.01 this morning. You make some valid points about the Dr John appointment and our reputation abroad / inclusiveness. I don't think your conclusion is necessarily logical. I see our inclusiveness being about a recognition of our proud tradition of a scottish club with proud irish roots, whose membership is open all who support the club and what it stands for. The inclusiveness comes from maybe not agreeing with the individuals views/background/sins/etc but recognising that they have as much right to support celtic, and with that being the case we'll set aside our own prejudices (cos at the end of the day that's all they are) and recognise the unifying factor of the club itself.
Personally I don't agree with Piratecnic's views above but he is a great celtic fan in my book and it showed in abundance in his contribution last night. That to me could apply to Dr John. I'll refuse to apply some personal morality code in accepting his appointment / support. Others feel they need to. I think this is the potentially divisive element as where does that stop ?
Better up the work productivity today so will appear periodically…
Hail hail to one and all…
Big wavy
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No-one should be surprised by Smiths comments. He's now doing exactly what he was put there to do. Take the heat off Rangers by dragging Celtic into the sectarianism debate. This man is an odious bigot and I suspect his lack of ability to keep his reprehensible views to himself will cost him dear.
By mentioning Celtic by name and making a clear accusation, that Celtic are given an easy ride shows clearly that he regards Celtic as having at least as much of a problem as Rangers.
Celtic as a club have more than sufficient grounds now to request his resignation. We must do so or this will only be the first shots of a dirty war that could cost the club dearly.
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Not wishing to go into the pros & cons of John Reid as Celtic chairman. But given the comments of Gordon Smith we might need someone like Reid to fight our corner.
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Morning ghuys and ghals -
FAO Martin42
Martin -
I was flicking through Eugene McBride's book, 'Talking Celtic' in ML2 library last night and among the players interviewed was Frank Walsh. Frank confirmed that he left Wishaw Boys Guild for Mossend Boys Guild where he played from 1940 till 1942 when he joined Wishaw Juniors. This scratches our year-long itch.
Frank was also the first Catholic schoolbhoy to represent Cambusnethan Schools in many years.
Pleased to be of service.
WishyGemmell
PS I also read excerpts from a book by Dons fan, Harry Reid, who has an interesting take on the sectarianism issue. He believes its more a clash of culture and race than religion.He may have a point.
Sack Duffield and his culture.
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Paul67,
What is you view on the Duffield article and do you thing an official complaint will be made by our club?
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TMC
I was wondering if he made these comments after he was appointed CE of SFA. If so he should be taken to task.
I have no problem with Rangers being set up by people from a Church of Scotland background but their near on a century implict policy of not knowingly signing Scottish catholics was a malignant tumour that scarred Scotland and all its peoples.
His comments are reportedly in a book about Rangers, where he gives a bit about his upbringing in Ayrshire and how he would have no truck with bigotry. So when he signed for Rangers at a time when "catholics need not apply" was he trying to change from within? Smith your havin a laugh.
BTW if he has made anti-catholic schools comments doesn't the SFA have jurisdiction over Scottish Schools Football. If so surely his comments bring his office into disrepute.
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...ironically, Mr Smith's transparency may give Celtic significant influence within the SFA. I would be surprised if Celtic made any direct, public comment.
Chris
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Most of the established clubs in England have more claim to have religious[with a small r]origins than the bottom-potters.Historically the club only took on the trappings of Protestant supremacy with the influx of Ulster shipyard workers before WW1,something WDS should have been aware of.
If the article is appearing in this book,is he speaking as an ex-player,media pundit,supporter or SFA chief?
Send Duffield to the ML2 library for a few history lessons.
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PS The potential problem we may have with DJR complaining about his comments is that wee Joe Mcgoebbels is desperate to point out that as a youth DJR knew,and sang,all 20 verses of Kevin Barry.
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Sack Duffield
His comments are a disgrace. Celtic as a club better be making some noise behind the scenes. We all knew this joker would drag Celtic into this while defelcting attention away from the real problem.
I am so sick and tired of hearing about how Catholic schools are the problem. Stuff and nonsense, odious drivel from the worst kind of uniformed, unintelligent bigot.
If catholic schools are to blame why is their no bigotory issue in Ontario Canada which has a 34% rc population and a 34% protestant and has seperate schools?
People like duffield and other bigots need to remember why seperate education for catholics was neccessary in the first place.
I despair of this country and would emigrate in a heartbeat if I could
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Big Wavy 9.45
Rather than cringe at my comments following your trite and fatuous dismissal of my earlier comments why don't you address the issues that I raise.
Everything I wrote yesterday is 'factual' and in the context of our debate it has a 'relevance to Celtic football club'. You made it so. If you are going to accuse another poster about 'emotional posturing' please qualify this with your reasons. It would seem that you think you can make your case with a few populist soundbites here and there (aye - lets all huddle around the official Celtic songbook).
I am attempting to point out that Celtic has slavishly acquiesced to an anti-sectarian agenda that has been drawn up and is now being driven by the very bigots that are against everything that we stand for.
Why don't you address this issue?
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The enemy?
Roy Aitken - St Peter's
Chris
(-in-Chains)
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scottishleaf Come to OZ.There`s almost always a way.
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macjay
Thanks for the invite :-)
My choice would be Canada as I am a massive hockey fan. The leaf in my name represents the Toronto Maple Leafs.
A wee lottery win and I will be offski!!
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New this week in the ML2 library-
Oranges ARE the Only Fruit
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The SFA has been FC Dignity´s protection racket for 100 years. This is not news. That he´s not smart enough to keep his mouth shut compared to previous incumbents is due solely to his inexperience and vanity. As was mentioned in the above reply from the letter written by Kevtic unless Celtic are willing to get involved in washing this dirty laundry in public then the best policy is to stay above it. It would be very interesting to hear the views of our new chairman on this matter and whether he feels that some pressure can be brought to bear either publicly or privately to improve matters. In fact a statement to our support just stating that historically it has been proven that nothing can be done to change this conundrum would be a good starting point.
Hail Hail
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MacJey @ 06.51:- I don't think the only reason the song Derry's Walls gets sung at Ibrox is to annoy Celtic fans or those that follow the R.C faith. If that were the case then why sing it when playing Hearts. You may find certain songs sung at Ibrox offensive, many Rangers supporters would say that some songs that are sung at Celtic Park are offensive. The point is though that as long as the songs aren't illegal or sectarian then anyone has a right to sing them, if others are offended then tough, we have no right to go through life not being offended. As someone who has defended the right of Celtic fans to sing republican songs (both on here and on Rangers sites where I used this argument in reverse)I'm going to do the samr for Rangers fans to sing loyalist songs.
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WinningGemmell :- Could you give the name of the book by the Aberdeen fan, it sounds an interesting read.
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Ed I take your point and understand your reasoning.Different perspective,I suppose.I have been trying to remember a goal scored by, I think, Kai Johanssen against Celtic at Ibrox.Think it was a match winner.Can you recollect? Provan was the left back. Cheers!
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Piratecnic - Everything I wrote yesterday is 'factual' and in the context of our debate it has a 'relevance to Celtic football club'. You made it so. If you are going to accuse another poster about 'emotional posturing' please qualify this with your reasons. It would seem that you think you can make your case with a few populist soundbites here and there (aye - lets all huddle around the official Celtic songbook).
I am attempting to point out that Celtic has slavishly acquiesced to an anti-sectarian agenda that has been drawn up and is now being driven by the very bigots that are against everything that we stand for.
Why don't you address this issue?
Big Wavy - Oh alright Piratecnic, I see my overtures to throw out an olive branch didn't meet with your permarage. I'll humour you but for clarity sakes my 'factual' point was that your 'emotional posturing' was related to your outburst to us all about your previous fight against the twin evils of Campbell and the DUP. This my friend, has got diddly-squat to do with celtic, and came across to me as nothing more than a headline-grabbing soundbite.
As a fellow poster with my own faculties and reasoning I'll continue to dismiss your campaign as proposterous. Even in the debating chamber I believe this is permissable but maybe not against your constant anger that exists in your posts against me.
Now, as to our so-called slavish acquiesence. Firstly, here is the clubs current positioning :
Current Positioning of Celtic Football Club
"Celtic Football Club is a Scottish football club with proud Irish links. The primary business of Celtic is as a football club. It is run on a professional business basis with no political agenda. However, the Club has a wider role and the responsibility of being a major Scottish social institution promoting health, well-being and social integration".
In short, Piratecnic, we are steering clear of the murky world of political divisiveness cos it makes no sense whatever angle you take. We are a professionally-run football club and have no political agenda (No right, no left, no unionist, no republican, etc). The Celtic songbook may not be to your political persuasion but yes populism can have its merits when you are trying to build and grow your fan base.
Who is Celtic Football Club for ?
"To maximise all opportunities to disassociate the Club from sectarianism and bigotry of any kind. To promote Celtic as a Club for all people, regardless of gender, age, religion, race or ability".
Any fault in those slavish words ? In raising your profile of rebel songs you are putting at risk the club's ability to promote beyond your narrow boundaries of the 'identikit irish republican, rebel singing supporter'. Not only a campaign bad for the current vision of the club but ridiculously bad in terms of brand development and revenue streams.
Anti-sectarianism is a virtuous circle, it's good for promoting celtic, allowing us to grow and evolve as the world around us does. It’s good for business, it generates revenue and provides us with goodwill from UEFA that hopefully will see us through this week. And finally, morally it's just right.
In short, it's a deliberate business strategy reacting to external environmental factors devised and modernised by the board who see the virtues in doing the right thing. It's not another grassy knoll conspiracy theory of slavish adherance. Give the board (a highly talented bunch of men as we have seen) credit for attempting to develop and grow a club in the 21st century against some difficult contextual issues.
Furthermore, anti-sectarianism gets my full support and the club has a very good track record on it. You've picked a counter-campaign that on its merits as a Celtic fan is a dead dodo to some, myself included. You are clearly passionate about it. Fine, knock yourself out. To me, and others in the broad church of celtic fans who don't acquaint 'rebel songs' as a manifestation of our club identity in the 21st century, I'm of the opinion that the club recognises its divisive nature, wants to concentrate its finite effort on fostering an identity that unites us all (i.e see above) and not a sectional protest (i.e promotion of rebel songs) that appeals to a mere proportion.
As I've taken the time to give you my honest thoughts on the matter, perhaps in return you can articulate to me, that if you were our new CEO, how would you go about addressing your campaign in reality ? The strategy ? The measures of success ? The financial resources (ultimately provided by us the fans as the bankrollers), etc. I'd be intrigued.
The floor is yours. Please use it without resorting to pettiness please.
Big Wavy
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The Evening times has the same article from the one last night but stresses these comments were made before he came into office.
You wonder how he got the job seeing as he met none of the job's criteria but now after these comments you could see why.
CLICK HERE
This article has an extra paragraph which some might find of interest.
He adds: "Growing up in Ayrshire, the biggest factor I encountered in terms of the Catholic-Protestant divide was in schools football.
"I think it is one of the saddest things in our society. I have nothing against Catholic schools, but there is no doubt in the West of Scotland it brings in an inclination right away to think of people being different.
"We played against schools with names like St Mary's or St Peter's and the games were very competitive. When you are competitive with someone you automatically think they are the enemy. That was the case with me."
If he wasn't already top man in the SFA he'd get a promotion for such comments.
Edward , meet the next CE of rangers.
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EdwardUrsus at 11.19
Eddie,
You are in danger of making my point here.
You are correct about the Loyalist/ Republican analogy;if it's ok for one lot to sing its respective songs then it is ok for the other.
The divergence from this apparent equal right comes when the Loyalist song also happens to be sectarian - as in 'The Sash'. No matter how it is dressed up this is a song exclusively in praise of Protestants. Celtic supporters do not and cannot have such an equivalent song.
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scottishleaf emigrating to OZ IS a wee lottery win. We`re hanging out for good Tims.Family in Toronto and I`ve been there myself.Couldn`t handle the 4 month close down and they`re progressively finding it more difficult.Can understand your frustration,though.Used to feel the myself.Orrabest.
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MacJay :- Thanks for the reply, even when disagreeing it's always good to hear anothers point of view.
re K. Johanson, I have him down as scoring in the 66 cup final replay, In Jan 67 he scored in a 2 - 2 draw at Celtic Park.
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'Growing up in Ayrshire,etc etc'
What did he do every July?
Hibernate?
Anyways,it helps to take our minds off tomorrow,and the Eurobeaks.
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And assuming we're not banned for the next 5 years here's wee Micha's thoughts on the future of the ECL:
http://www.uefa.com/uefa/keytopics/kind=64/newsid=600715.html
'Nothing is set in stone,worth has to be constantly proven on the pitch'
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Piratecnic :- I think we are both in broad agreement on this one with only a minor disagreement of what consitutes sectarian. My own view is that it's OK to praise your own side as much as you like, however when you start to denigrate another due to their faith then it becomes sectarian. I would emphasise that's only my opinion and I'm not claiming that is the standard, true or legal definition :-)
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Big Wavy 1147
Well said young man!
What's that you say? We're now in the 21st Century? Are you positive? Blimey!!!!
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Hi Paul,
I hope you will all take this in the spirit it's meant as I thought it funny, I got a text last night.
UEFA ban Milan Cheat Dida,
Milan banned from competition for this year,
Celtic find 10 million and banned for ten year from Europe.
Celtic Park to be shut down.
Carlsberg don't do texts, but if they did....
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So Mr Smith grew up thinking schools with saints names were the enemy because he played against them! Would he ONLY have played against Catholic Schools? Or are there more enemies we have still to hear about?
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big liam,
Do you think the Evening Times are trying to tell us.......don't worry he doesn't think this way now...:-)
Lets hope he keeps coming out with this stuff, because it wont be long before someone pulls him and the SFA up about.
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Regards Gordon Smith (For that is his name)
Aren't we guilty of over-reacting a bit here? Is he not pointing out an honesty about what it was like for him when he was a child?
He's not saying it's right or wrong. He's saying it in much the same way as Alex Higgins put it when asked what he would be doing if he wasn't a famous snooker star. "Probably throwing stones at Catholics!" was the reply.
Now he wasn't saying this to glorify hating Catholics, more to do with a sad resignation that it was how his life would have panned out if he didn't acheive fame and fortune!
I'm sure George Best said much the same thing at one time!
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miketw10
Gordon Duffield Smith ktma Duffield
Edward -
The Final Whistle? Scottish Football : the Best and Worst of Times
Published by Birlinn
WG
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Winninggemmell :- Thanks, I'll try to get it out the library
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miketw
If only it was just the sad resignation of a kid grown older, wiser and baldier.
But his current comments let you know that this mindst persists. he would, of course, have played against non-denominational schools but the quality of the enmity he encountered there must have struck him as less powerful. Therefore, the suggestion lingers that the RC schools brought that quality to the matches- QED If you lot could only see that closing them down was the obvious solution, there must be something wrong with you. Are yiz awe papes or summat?
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Miketw - "
Aren't we guilty of over-reacting a bit here? "
No.
Smith isn't reminiscing about his childhood with a sense of weary resignation at the sectarianism of the time, he is actively seeking to defend Rangers and attack Celtic over the sectarianism issue, just as he did while a pundit.
Clearly, he still has a problem with Catholic schools, which he blames for sectarianism, but has never said a bad word about the Orange Order or the culture of anti-Catholicism which permeated Rangers while he was a player there.
Smith isn't an honest man trying to give a balanced appraisal of sectarianism.
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Miketw10-fair enough,but he was born in Kilwinning.It strains credulity that having been raised in'the open asylum'the only way sectarianism impacted on his life was in primary school football.He's simply using it to back his beliefs re denominational schools.
You can take the boy out of Kilwinning...
Anyways,also according to Wikipedia it says he was voted in the top 100 Rang### players'of all time'!His mum must have had a sore tongue licking all those stamps.
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Is it ironic or merely humorous that the Rangers Minded philosophical tome is coming out on November 5th?
farenheit 451 csc
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miketw10
I thought that was a George 2nd Best Quote? Nothing beats Artur's version (drinking beer) - makes me wonder what he's got planned for the specialist goalkeepers area at the Training Complex.
To the main point, I don't think there's an overreaction, considering this man is now in charge of the SFA (despite having no attrributes which met the job description). I'm not one to peddle the victimhood complex but given it's very difficult to express almost any criticism of Rangers without being pointed towards their 'good' work I think that his comments are incredible.
Having also read the product description of this new Rangers book I'm amazed as well, it really defies belief. More than ever they appear a relic of some bygone day, defined by nothing more than not being Celtic. In any other country in Europe they'd have long ago been isolated, instead here they are lauded.
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SFTB-Nov 5th is the second biggest day in the anti-Popery syllabus after the 12th of July.
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Miketw,
I honestly don't think we are overreacting to this one, this is a man who is on record as saying he felt that schools with the name St something were the enemy?? What about the other schools he played against, were they the enemy?
I live on the East coast and regularly played against non demoninational schools for my school St Davids, I used to get the usual sectarian abuse from them almost every game I played in, notable exception Musselburgh Grammar school, mainly because I had friends in the team and they weren't brought up like that.
This is also the man who is now trying to change history by saying that Rangers were founded in the traditions of the Church of Scotlan and that there is now some kind of agenda against Rangers to vilify them for sectarianism whilst we get off scot free.
Sorry but this man is a danger to our club, nothing more nothing less. Anyone who heard him on Sportsound on Sunday when James Traynor had him squirming knows he is an intellectual gnat.
Sack Duffield
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SFTB
There, you see. That was you who put those words in his mouth!
Phil
Where does he state that he still has this problem? Granted he hasn't stated anything about the odious orange order.... YET????
I'm honestly undecided about all of this, but I haven't yet heard him blaming catholic schools for sectarianism.
"We played against schools with names like St Mary's or St Peter's and the games were very competitive. When you are competitive with someone you automatically think they are the enemy. That was the case with me." sounds to me like he's admitting he was wrong...
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DBBIA
I thought every day was the 12th July? I'm sure some visiting fans told me that.
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DBBIA
My only memories of Kilwinning were visiting my dad's auntie there, who was a housekkeper to a priest, so I always thought of that place as holy, believe it or not!!!
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TMC
That's what I was alluding to. I hink they both said it at one time or another!!!
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When you are competitive with someone you automatically think they are the enemy. That was the case with me.
Is he planning to ban competitive sport ?
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miketw10 - Mike, perhaps I shouldn't have, but I'm going by the newspaper column reproduced on this site recently which said his book "waxes lyrical" about how Catholic schools are to blame for sectarianism.
That aside, I have heard Smith repeatedly deny that Rangers supporters were indulging in offensive chants even while their songs about wanting to have sex with the Pope and wade in Fenian blood were blaring out of the radio.
He was one of the first and most insistent of the pundits that UEFA drag Celtic into their investigation of Rangers' offensive chants last season.
It's no great mystery trying to work out where he's coming from.
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mike tw
Guilty as charged. I translated the logic of the hard of thinking (Duffield's not yours).
The point is he could not have played for the only decent footballing non denominational school in Ayrshire. He must have had competitive games against other schools that didn't have St. in their name.
Can anyone check if he was ever sent off against St. Mirren or St. Johnstone?
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MikeTW10 :- The town of Kilwinning grew around the medevial abbey of St Winning (the ruins are still in the town centre) so I suppose technically it was a holy place :-)
Can I add one point to the debate on Mr Smith as someone who was brought up in Glasgow then Ayrshire I always found at school that if playing against an R.C school then there was an extra edge to the game, I don't know whether we classed them as the enemy but the rivalry was more intense than when playing against another non demoninational school. Sad as it was that was the norm back then and probably is to this day when schools play against each other.
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Edward
Yes, we always wanted to beat the other schools as well - kind of like an Old Firm game if you like.
But, to extrapolate Gordon Smith's thoughts - that's our fault for being Catholic and having Catholic schools. I'm sure that's not your take on it but Smith's comments and crass, idiotic and downright dangerous.
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sftb-In some parts of the UK[East Sussex!]Nov 5th is anti-Pope day #1.
It's definitely going on my Walpurgisnacht bonfire.
Miketw10-and PMcstay is from Larkhall!It was very holy until the founding of the Mother Lodge at the end of the 16th century.
Kilwinning itself means the church or cell of Winning,and not to be confused with the church or cell of WinningGemmell,which any fule knoes is the Teser.
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I must add though, that if anyone thinks I'm on here to defend the man, I'm not! It just sounds to me like he was pointing out a fact of life.
Whenever he was on the telly as a pundit, he talks more gash than even Andy Gray does! He certainly proved then that he doesn't know much about football.
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The timing of this could have been better:
http://www.uefa.com/uefa/keytopics/kind=1048576/newsid=600885.html
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DBBIA :- I'm not trying to be pedantic and may well be mistaken but I was under the impression that the mother lodge was in Kilwinning, hence it's designation as Number 0 lodge.
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Sack WiGgy, er I mean Duffield!
Story on front and back page of Evening Times. He'll probaly say he gave the quotes before his appointment.
Maybe the Green Brigade can sort out their spelling (by contacting GL2!) and get a "Sack Duffield" campaign into full swing.
Well done WG!
TTTT
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emember back when rangers fans were attacking villareal Team buses he exclaimed live on air "what about Celtic in all this"?
A Fellow pundit who's name escapes me told him "this has nothing to do with Celtic" ?
At every junction its Celtic's fault.
Miketw10 ,
Pointing out a fact of life is the point. He finds it difficult to understand why rangers cannot express their hatred. He is trying to defend bigotry , making excuses for their reasoning , this in itself is educated bigotry , one of the worst kinds.
“But why is there a problem when Rangers come out and say similar things? Why is it a problem when Rangers come out and say they were set up by people from a Church of Scotland upbringing and that they have a Unionist background?”
They haven't been targeted for who they are , just for who they hate namely Catholics. Or does smith suggest this is who they are?
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EdU-blame Cafflick schools!
What I meant was just because MTW10 had visited a priest's housekeeper in Kilwinning,and the Maestro came from Larkhall,didn't stop these places being hotbeds of hotheadedness.
Lodge Number 0 is in Kilwinning;I thought it was the oldest Orange,not Masonic Lodge but you learn something new every day.
Would you have had GDS in your top 100 RFC players of all time?
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The situation with Gordon Smith, as I see it, is that the SFA have appointed a guy who's suitability to the job is beginning-less, he no corporate background, no financial background, no history of dealing with any large scale administration. He is also closely, and publicly, affiliated to one of the leading clubs.
A hard rain is coming towards Celtic Park, this guy has revenge on his mind, not for any defeat on the pitch (although lest we forget he is a veteran of both the 1980 cup final and 4-2 defeats), but for the positive way that Celtic and their supporters have conducted themselves, whilst the CEOs former club are having to ban fans making facist salutes (and claiming that the ban infringes his human rights - I don't think the culprit qualifies).
Previously I wasn't too worried about Smith, but his recent statements have rung alarm bells and I fear a return to a 50s mentality at the SFA.
How long before we're being quizzed about what flags are flying above Celtic Park?
We could be about to see an interseting spin put on Murray's famous spending remark; for every £5 Rangers are fined, Celtic will be fined £10.
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We can, I think, evaluate the significance of Smith's comments by stripping out the stuff about sectarianism.
Imagine that a former player and known supporter of (say) Liverpool had been appointed as chief executive of the FA. He is quoted as saying that he believes there to be an agenda against Liverpool, comparing that to the treatment given to Man Utd or Chelsea.
How many minutes does he remain in the job?
Incidentally, I do think Smith has a point to a certain extent about offensive songs. In a modern pluralist democracy I don't think I have a right not to be offended.
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DBBIA :- I remember him as a decent forward with an eye for goal but I don't think he was there long enough to stake a place in the top 100
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Regarding this quote "Why is it a problem when Rangers come out and say they were set up by people from a Church of Scotland upbringing and that they have a Unionist background?"
Who has said that this is problem?
I would imagine that the majority of clubs in Scotland were set up by people of that background.
The problem with Rangers was the fact of their entirely bigotted hiring policy, not helped by their consistent denial of any such policy.
If Mr Smith would like clarification on this he might want to talk to Alex MacDonald about it, he was on TV a while back saying that whilst he was at Ibrox none of the players wanted this policy to change. He was a teammate of MacDonalds back then.
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We are not two sides of the same coin.
Brother Walfrid's aim to aid the poor in local parishes is not the same as being set up by people of a "Church of Scotland" background.
"I have nothing against Catholic schools, but" ergo Aye you do. I think we should turn livingston into one big school and send all our children there oh yeah and names will need to go I mean you wouldn't want people to be different would you and see anyone that likes marmite they're getting it.
To be fair to Smith I think it must be hard to have been brought up in an environment where anti-Catholic demonstrations were not only OK but a great day out for all the family, i.e. Orange celebrations in Kilwinning, only to discover that the rest of the world thinks it is wrong.
Reminds me of the story from the diary.
Wall in Kilwinning had the slogan
"One faith, one crown. No Pope in our town."
under which someone had scrawled
"Lucky old Pope"
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Piratecnic - 11.50
Can you explain to me why a pro Protestant song is bad?
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From the come on boro website where dida has won the Cheat of the Week award.
There was a young man from Milan
Who took a slight slap from a fan
He fell to the floor
Like an Amsterdam whore
Now the soft twat is facing a ban
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Why has Duffield (SFA Chief Executive)decided to publicly question the very existence of Catholic Schools in Scottish Society & crucially why is he using it as a cheap leveller/scapegoat in an argument that has more to do with a Football Club from the South side of Glasgow who embrace neandrathals, medievil practices & flirt with Sectarianism - remember the Orange strips - a tribute to the Dutch contingent at Ibrox - aye right. Remember the 'We are The People' placard display at Ibrox for the Villareal game - a phrase that originated from Nazi Germany . Remember Shota Arveladze getting berated in Linfield by his own fans for making the sign of the cross. Remember the Benedict Eggs being removed from the menu at Ibrox becasue it shared the same name as the current Pope. I could go on....
I am absolutely flummoxed by his words - i really can't believe that someone in such high authority within the game would make such kneejerk comments. Surely a Club who were formed to help the poor people of the East End of Glasgow, who embrace fans & players from all walks of life, whose most successful Manager was a non catholic, who continue to adopt an open arm policy with ethnic groups should be dragged into a debate where another Scottish club repeatedly re-offend without reasonable scrutiny, discussion or punishment.
Instead of Duffield instigating some sophisticated debate on the issue he is instead using cheap tricks through the Tabloids & summarising a hundred years of Scottish Life into a distorted version that sits nicely down Edmiston Drive.
God help us!
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On these matters I keep my opinions to myself.
However I have just been informed that in my nieces class 2nd year Catholic school of 30 pupils there are only 5 catholics.
Not a bright man.
Even when commenting on football he knew nothing.
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Guys
I've enjoyed all your comments on Mr Smith's misguided and innacurate words. But, are we not better to send our concerns to the SFA and our elected parliamentary representatives, as well as to CQN, where apart from Edward, we are talking to the converted?
PS I am greatly looking forward to this, ahem, scholarly book, which I suspect will be subtitled "We're in a hole and we're gonna keep digging"!
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I always thought he was a bit of a cissy footballer anyway.
I remember Rangers brought him back up on loan as a panic measure, for a league cup final (2-1-Nicolas, MacLeod) useless then as well.
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Herewith the product description of this new Rangers book:
There are relatively few serious books about Rangers FC. This is surprising given the current upsurge in sports studies and sports writing. 'It's Rangers For Me?' seeks to fill the gap and engages with the debates on a range of topical issues: sectarianism and Scottish society; Scottish, British and Irish/Ulster identity seen through the prism of Rangers; Rangers and the Orange Order; the revival of the Ulster-Scots culture; the 'offence' allegedly given by the traditional songs associated with the club; the recent UEFA action against Rangers. There is also a critique of books like 'Celtic Minded' and 'Celtic's Paranoia' (in a brilliant, excoriating essay entitled 'The World of the Celtic Minded') which, it is argued, help to perpetuate the victimhood mindset of many Celtic supporters. Many other important themes are explored: the often difficult relationship between the Church of Scotland and Rangers; the hostility directed by sections of the Protestant middle class towards Rangers; the uneasiness felt by some current and former fans about the club's image; the suspicions harboured by a number of supporters about sections of the press and its supposed anti-Rangers agenda; the disdain of the Scottish political and social elite for the cultural mores favoured by working-class football fans, especially those of the Old Firm; the club's clumsy and frequently counter-productive efforts in the fields of public relation and media manipulation.
The irony of this shower talking about OUR culture of victimhood!!!!! An incredible list of topics, I'm sure you'll agree!!!
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TMC-I was wondering what to get you from Santa ;#'!
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benny...
Many Celtic fans support the war against terror me being one.
The more AlQaeda scumbags who get caught and punished so much the better.
What punishment specifically? Do you mean by facing trial? British justice like the diplock courts? Like extraordinary rendition? Like imprisonment without charge, without hope of trial and without any hope of release? Punishment like torture? Like sensory deprivation? Stop and search (only if you are black mind...)? Justice like Jean Charles DeMenezes' summary execution at the hands of the Police?
To quote Malcolm X - "You're not to be so blind with patriotism that you can't face reality. Wrong is wrong, no matter who does it or says it."
I suupose you were a crawling provy apologist when ahem ,"civilians" were blown to bits by Gerry and Martin.
What relevance to "Gerry and Martin" have to Celtic? It's a logical error, a red herring. John Reid is our chairman elect. Gerry and Martin are two Northern Irish politicians. They have no relevance to Celtic.
Marxist? Maybe. Realist? Too right I am.
/p
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whitedoghunch...
On these matters I keep my opinions to myself.
That's a start. Social skills are to be commended.
However I have just been informed that in my nieces class 2nd year Catholic school of 30 pupils there are only 5 catholics.
You make an interesting point, and one that isn't referenced by the media very often. Popular mythology would have you believe that Catholic Schools are ran by Catholic zealots for the children of Catholic zealots. You are correct when you point out it's not the case.
Catholic schools are not closed shops. They cater for other faith groups. They also have far higher standards of attainment.
Not a bright man.
Most of his comments would, sadly, lead us to this conclusion.
Even when commenting on football he knew nothing.
Being fair, he does know a convicing wig when he sees one.
/p
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Enough Marx already-here's some Lennon!
http://www.channel4.com/news/articles/sports/political+football+neil+lennon/882547
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TMC - thanks for that.
One question (not for you directly); why would any book on Rangers include a critique (read: attack)on books about Celtic?
Personally I thought Celtic Minded was a large pile, I mean having Tommy Gemmell write a chapter about being an 'outsider' on the basis of his religion?!?!?!?
But Celtic's Paranoia is a well researched, well written book that concludes we may well have been the victims of discrimination in the past but not any more.
But why would they feature in a book about Rangers? Are they that obsessed about us?
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DBBIA :- If it isn't against the ethos of the blog you ought to be shot for that linkage :-)
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Kano...
I suspect that we're about to see the "end game" in the phoney "sectarian songs" saga.
It's a scenario we predicted before Mr Smith stepped up to the plate, but at last it looks like we'll have our day.
Let's hope John Reid's principles in this matter are firmer than all his previously held "beliefs".
I suspect that Celtic are getting dragged into the mother of all fights. Let's hope we go in with studs showing. It's time to tear Gordon Smith and his cohorts at the SFA a new one. Time to finish the job that should have been done circa Jim Farry.
/p
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Andrew
I've never read Celtic Minded so can't comment directly, I note that Davie Provan (I hesitate to say our DP) has a section in the Rangers book.
Obviously this book is not a celebration of Rangers (is there much to celebrate?) so differs from most books about Celtic however I tend to think that the only identity they have is that they are not Celtic.
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Ed-I am invoking St Denis to protect me!
The other player Simon Kuper mentions,Walter Tull,also had a slight connection to your club-we've discussed it before.
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thismancraig @ 15:22
Wow, that's quite a list of topics. If only the literate Rangers fans could club together to hire a taxi, it would be guaranteed to sell at least in the single figures.
Check out the list of contributors, too. The Grand High Wizard of the Orange Ludge gets his own chapter. Says it all about Dignity FC.
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VargasShampoo - 14.55 "Remember the 'We are The People' placard display at Ibrox for the Villareal game - a phrase that originated from Nazi Germany ".
That's simply not true (the phrase originating in Nazi Germany, not the placard). In fact it's being used as the slogan for a memorial to commemorate the fall of the Berlin Wall. Given the German people's constant work to disassociate themselves from Nazism, they're hardly likely to adopt one of it's slogans.
From what I can gather it's first recorded use was in relation to the New York Giants baseball team in 1889.
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P8ddy,
I don't think we(the club)will go in with studs.
Sadly,there is no Bob Kelly,who will publicly stand up and fight for the club,or no Fergus to put them in their place.
But there is another Farry.Perhaps a worse one.
And if this one goes,another one will follow.
The fight has already been won,outside of that sad little country.
Unfortunately,despite some inroads being made,even by Celtic,on this matter,(will give them some credit,as they have moved from lying to some web page owners about a UEFA investigation as some sort of warning,to the fields are okay to the same web page owners some months later),sadly I think this is as bullish as they are likely to become on this.
They will not rock the boat.
The pens have been dipped in the ink,and are waiting to be unleashed.
This book of Rangers people pouring out their hearts about their sad bigotry is,sadly,just the start of a major offensive by them.
They have their people in place.
And more than a few "willing helpers" in the most unlikely of places too.
You know,all the "decent' Celtic supporters quite willing to help them in their sad little anti Irish/Catholic agenda.
And I feel it is a fight the club just don't have the heart or bottle to become involved in.
If they remain silent whilst Jock Stein's name is dragged through the mud at every turn by these people.
Yet jump up and down when some bigoted moron cops a mouthful on a ferry,and invite him to our home as a guest.
I really don't expect them to have much to say,as they watch the re-emergence of superiority complexes,and bigotry from you know where.
They will be too busy bad mouthing Celtic fans.
If we are looking for some tough nut for our corner for the upcoming palava.
I would prefer someone with a cupboard with a few less skeletons rattling in it.
I can hear them from here.
I feel this may be our downfall.
As well as a long line of Farrys just waiting to be the next one.
The person who I feel would fight our corner the best,is too busy managing the club.
Now if we could get the wee man riled about it.
And I think he is getting to know a bit more than we credit him with.
Now that would be something.
Man with no skeletons,decent human being,scared of no one,and a Celtic man to boot(better late than never).
He would rip Smith and his cronies apart in no time.
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I've had yoghurts with more culture than the plucky bottompotters of G51.
However,it is clearly nonsense to claim'clumsy and frequently counter-productive efforts in the fields of public relation and media manipulation'-they are definitely the people where that's concerned.
This book is yet another example of them following Celtic-the Celtic song,the Celtic View,the books on Celtic in a wider context-even the star on the strip[especially the star on the strip?]-all had to be follow,followed by their cheaper,shoddier attempts at parity.
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Sorry, meant to add above that that in no way detracts from any arguments that the Rangers fans might be using it in a supremacist manner.
Just don't ruin any legitimate argument you might have with non-facts.
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p8ddy
left a couple of words on your blog.
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TMC - are you sure it is the permed right winger and not the Rangers left back from the 60s also of that name?
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And P8ddy my personality/lack of/too many does not make allowance for skocial sills.
It is a sign of low intellect.
Hence the lack of mirrors in the house.
/b
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Andrew
List of contributors here, it is our Davie Provan:
The editors: Ronnie Esplin is a highly experienced journalist and the author of four previous books on Rangers. Graham Walker is professor of politics at the Queen's University of Belfast and has written many books and learned articles on British politics and society. The other distinguished contributors are: Tommy Malcolm, football historian; Archie Mackenzie, retired British ambassador; historian and academic George Hewitt; award-winning journalist Graham Spiers; philosopher and author Dolan Cummings; award-winning Ulster playwright Gary Mitchell; journalist Chris Williamson; Glasgow University chaplain Revd. Stuart McQuarrie; Worthy Grand Master of the Orange Order Ian Wilson; MSPs Murdo Fraser and Karen Gillon; former MSP and political activist Carolyn Leckie; academic Dr Jonathan Magee; SFA chief executive and former Ibrox hero Gordon Smith; actor, comedian and writer Jonathan Watson; former Celtic player and boyhood Rangers fan Davie Provan; former Rangers striker John MacDonald; founder member of the Orange County, California RSC Stewart McDougall.
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Wee Minger - I have a few World War II books at home and can assure you that this delightful phrase can be sourced back to The Nazi Youth movement - 'Tomorrow Belongs to me' etc.
You're absolutely right - the slogan is being re-used to commemorate the fall of the Berlin Wall, but the emphasis of the message this time is geared towards celebrating a more equal modern Germany, rather than absurd propaganda promoting a Super Race.
I have no knowledge of American Baseball whatsoever other than to say that the Pizzas that are served up in Di Maggios across Lanarkshire are dire.
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Big Wavy 11.47
Using terms like 'cringeworthy' to describe something I wrote is hardly 'throwing out an olive branch'. Nor is your awarding me with the 'good' supporter tag which I find somewhat patronising. Are you some kind of self-appointed arbiter, ticking all the boxes of your 'good supporter' criteria?
Fair dos though about your reply re Celtic's position.
Big Wavy
"we've introduced a charter, encouraged self-policing, punished offenders, etc to make celtic park and away grounds a place where we should sing about celtic and our history."
Where is the evidence about self-policing? What is the situation regarding the alleged offending fan at Pittodrie? Who decides on punishment for what?
Big Wavy
"As a fellow poster with my own faculties and reasoning I'll continue to dismiss your campaign as proposterous. Even in the debating chamber I believe this is permissable but maybe not against your constant anger that exists in your posts against me."
"You've picked a counter-campaign that on its merits as a Celtic fan is a dead dodo to some, myself included."
What counter-campaign? Please show me where I have advocated the singing of rebel songs at matches. I asked that a distinction be drawn - that people, especially those at Celtic who are making decisions should at least try to acknowledge that rebel songs and sectarian songs are not the same. The logical conclusion of not making this distinction by our own advocates is that we get sucked more and more into an agenda driven by others - and that is why you have people like Smith saying 'what about Celtic and the IRA songs?' The subtext here screams out that all Irish songs are in his sights. These are the same people in positions of influence who are using all of their authority to couple us with Rangers and finding us guilty by that association.
On a personal level I find it offensive to be accused of being sectarian. I won't bore you here with my anti-sectarian credentials - you would probably accuse me of more posturing. Anyhow, the accusation of being sectarian because of a tolerance of people singing rebel songs is downright inaccurate..
Big Wavy
"In short, Piratecnic, we are steering clear of the murky world of political divisiveness cos it makes no sense whatever angle you take. We are a professionally-run football club and have no political agenda (No right, no left, no unionist, no republican, etc). The Celtic songbook may not be to your political persuasion but yes populism can have its merits when you are trying to build and grow your fan base."
Ok. If it wanted to steer clear of the murky world of political divisiveness Celtic would not have invited the arch-bigot Campbell to Celtic Park?
No, the club gets involved in politics when it suits, usually when it is to roll over and fall in with the prevailing prejudices. It is for the same reason it did not get involved in the Artur Boruc 'blessing himself' scandal. Our club left one of its employees to hang out to dry in a shocking dereliction of its duty of care to an employee.
Big Wavy
"Now, as to our so-called slavish acquiesence. Firstly, here is the clubs current positioning :
Current Positioning of Celtic Football Club
"Celtic Football Club is a Scottish football club with proud Irish links. The primary business of Celtic is as a football club. It is run on a professional business basis with no political agenda. However, the Club has a wider role and the responsibility of being a major Scottish social institution promoting health, well-being and social integration".
Who is Celtic Football Club for ?
"To maximise all opportunities to disassociate the Club from sectarianism and bigotry of any kind. To promote Celtic as a Club for all people, regardless of gender, age, religion, race or ability".
"Any fault in those slavish words ? In raising your profile of rebel songs you are putting at risk the club's ability to promote beyond your narrow boundaries of the 'identikit irish republican, rebel singing supporter'. Not only a campaign bad for the current vision of the club but ridiculously bad in terms of brand development and revenue streams."
Yes, I find fault in those slavish words. The fault lies in the fact that the club has not defined what it means by bigotry and sectarianism. The people at the top have copped out.
Big Wavy
"Anti-sectarianism is a virtuous circle, it's good for promoting celtic, allowing us to grow and evolve as the world around us does. It’s good for business, it generates revenue and provides us with goodwill from UEFA that hopefully will see us through this week. And finally, morally it's just right."
Please don't preach ro me about morality. I might take it for my local confessor or my mother -but please. We are talking about an institution that is soon to be headed by John Reid and a major shareholder DD whose fiscal history is shady to say the least.
Big Wavy
"In short, it's a deliberate business strategy reacting to external environmental factors devised and modernised by the board who see the virtues in doing the right thing. It's not another grassy knoll conspiracy theory of slavish adherance. Give the board (a highly talented bunch of men as we have seen) credit for attempting to develop and grow a club in the 21st century against some difficult contextual issues.
Furthermore, anti-sectarianism gets my full support and the club has a very good track record on it. You've picked a counter-campaign that on its merits as a Celtic fan is a dead dodo to some, myself included. You are clearly passionate about it. Fine, knock yourself out. To me, and others in the broad church of celtic fans who don't acquaint 'rebel songs' as a manifestation of our club identity in the 21st century, I'm of the opinion that the club recognises its divisive nature, wants to concentrate its finite effort on fostering an identity that unites us all (i.e see above) and not a sectional protest (i.e promotion of rebel songs) that appeals to a mere proportion.
"To me, and others in the broad church of celtic fans"
Your narrow view of fans such as myself and your clever misreading of what you term my 'counter- agenda' is completely at odds with the urbane, tolerant and sophisticated individual that you are trying so hard to portray here.
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Excuse the ignorance, but why is Smith referred to as Duffield?
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Kano:Thought-provoking piece. You are right on the money with your comparison between Celtic's shameful silence on the constant vilification of our our late, great manager by thousands of bigots and the public reaction of Brian Quinn in cow-towing to a reviled anti-Catholic DUP bigot because of abuse from a handful of ignorant fans on a boat.
I would love to hear Big Wavy and his supporters justify the contrast in the reactions of the Celtic board on these two issues. I think they will have to launch a defence of the indefensible.
Also this is the first time I have read an explanation for Paul67's embarrassing and erroneous (at the time)claim that Celtic were to be investigated by UEFA.
Sad to hear- if this was indeed the case- that the Celtic board were prepared to manipulate the truth in order to scare Celtic fans in to towing the party line on contentious songs.
Agree with your analysis right up until your conclusion.
Gordon Strachan may be a ferocious little terrier, but both intellectually and historically and in terms of debating and media skills I doubt he has the armoury to take on and beat the Scottish football establishment and all their Masonic supporters in high places.
As most people know I am no fan of John Reid but I think he may have the political clout and sheer effrontery to take on our enemies head first.
Like you his credibility over the Iraq war worries me.
But maybe a war-monger who isn't afraid to go in with all guns blazing is exactly what is needed in this situation.
PS: Edward thought you might have had a go at getting the 15 Rangers players who have played for Sunderland in the last 50 years.
Our Bhoy in Barca gave you Don Kichenbrand and Ally McCoist as a generous starter.
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Gordon DUFFIELD Smith
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tmc
Wonderful list of contributors. I'm particularly looking forward to "Diving with Dignity" by John McDonald and the explanation from Stewart McDougall as to why he started his club in Orange County.
Worthy Grand Master???
I think we'll be the judge of that.
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Sean South
Gordon Strachan's dug has the debating and media skills to take on Duffield.
For some of their new book contributors, we have plenty of eloquent fans who can argue against the victimhood felt by the establishment.
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Thanks, EDB
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Another O.C. resident hears the final score from the Death Star:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Mischa_Barton2.jpg
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Piratecnic - Nothing more I can do with you fella, and life's too short to be dealing with an eijit like you. I tried to reason but you seem one of those types who seem to enjoy being permanently enraged, of hyper-sensitive disposition and is constantly offended where no offense exists. Get a backbone fella, you sound like a spotty enraged teenager at that pc. Difficult to debate sensibly with anyone who can't see beyond their own self-inflicted battered ego.
Six hours of preparing your answer and I get this ? Easiest thing in the world is to pick and choose others sentences and then seek to go off down a cul-de-sac of meaningless proportions, spotting shady characters, conspiracies yet at the end of it all preaching to us that you are an urbane, tolerant and sophisticated individual. Gis a break. Your inability to put substance to your o'level standard soundbite as requested by me speaks volumes for the crassness of your argument and the limitations of your thought process in relating to life in the real world.
Your mantra that we should be forcing the agenda by making it clear there is a difference between rebel songs and sectarian songs has already sewn confusion today amongst the blog. Please take a lesson from that in terms of the sophistication of your argument.
But I can handle different views and diverse arguments. That's what makes the craic here addictive. You on the other hand appear unable to conduct yourself without demonstrating what a classless oaf you are and a tremendous disappointment to your mammy.
Big Wavy.
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Big Wavy
Thanks for that. I would have been disappointed had you said anything else - even managed to sensibly address some of the issues. Thanks again. You have made my point
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SS : I would love to hear Big Wavy and his supporters justify the contrast in the reactions of the Celtic board on these two issues. I think they will have to launch a defence of the indefensible
Big Wavy : God gawd Sean. Do you have me down as a defender of all things Brian Quinn ? God, I can only follow Paul67 blindly without you adding a new character to the mix :)
As you asked, an assumption may be that Brian felt obliged to turn a negative PR thing on the 'boat incident' to a more positive one where he could stress celtic's good work. On the reprehensible three lettered campaign the current stance on this may have to do with it being solely a Rangers issue (why unite them by sticking our noses in), not wanting to feed the beasts who enjoy the reaction it could / would cause, the schism that exists in the Rangers ranks on its merits (as ted will testify) and a hope that it will fade away being ignored. And maybe he wanted to avoid the inevitable tit-for-tat that would have us dragged into when their fan base wanted their club to make a stand on their behalf. All about judgement calls and of course a 'do nothing' will always get pelters from those seeking unsophisticated public positive action. Who said leadership was a popularity contest. This may be subject to ongoing review and change, as you would expect with any leadership team.
Sorry that was a bit rushed but got to dash….
Big Wavy
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My dear friend,Benny....
Don't let those guys push you around.
This nonsense about the deaths of unarmed and innocent civilians...is straight out of The Wee Red Book of Communist Propaganda.
It has always been the cry of the Bolsheviks...
The people who are spouting it today are the very same one's that Kipling was referring to in his famous Poem...
"For it's Tommy this, and Tommy
that, an' "Chuck him out the Brute!"
But it's, Saviour of his Country, when the Guns begin to Shoot!..."
The simple fact is this...
We are at War!
Make no mistake about it,pal....
We are at War!
Only the Foolish do not realise that...
Until.. suddenly... one day when the are riding in a bus...or watching a Soccer Game...or taking the Child to school......in the UNDERGROUND....Or visiting the Airport.
When....
I shall not go into the horrible ramifications that can/will(?) occur...if we do not settle this thing to OUR ADVANTAGE!
Yes.
I said it.... OUR ADVANTAGE!
To return to the innocent Civilian Nonsense...
I repeat...for the benefit of the Non-Believers,amongst us......
WE ARE AT WAR.....
AND A NO TIME IN HISTORY, HAS A WAR BEEN WAGED ....
WITHOUT THE DEATHS AND TRAVAILS OF THE INNOCENT BYSTANDER!
That is a fact...
Bottom line...
IT IS BETTER THEM THAN US!
Harsh, but that is the way the cookie crumbles.
We ur awe big bhoys ,noo!
Kojo.
Yer Pal... who agrees wi' ye.
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Big Wavy
"a classless oaf and a tremendous disappointment to your mammy"
Thats some insult - mind if I use it occasionally? Not on here of course.
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My dear friend,Whitedoghunch...
There is an ole Glesca Saying:
"It's awe richt, Kiddin' an' Swankin'... wi' a Few Bob, in yer Poaket!"
The World is a Harsh place.
I am very serious, and feel strongly about what the future hold's for the British way of life.
Look around.
I DO take some comfort, though, from the wise words of a wise man..
"In the Long run,old chap....
We shall all be Dead, anyway!"
Kojo.
Yer pal... who thinks yer swell.
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SeanSouth :- At the time I had to go out and when I came back a few folk had answered it and I have to admit they did it a lot quicker and with more accuracy than I could have.
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WITHOUT THE DEATHS AND TRAVAILS OF THE INNOCENT BYSTANDER!
That is a fact...
Bottom line...
IT IS BETTER THEM THAN US!
What an abhorent sentiment. Innocents are innocents defacto. "It is better them than us" not according to the (Good) book I read.
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Kojo
LOOK AROUND was a tad unfair.
The wise men we quote span ages and stop us in our tracks.
I shan't(what a great word) put up a quote but you know what I mean.
Martini two olives.
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ThebhoyBlack...
You set them up,pal...
I'll knock 'em down.
You mentioned "the Good Book"
What book was that...."The Communist Manifesto ?"
It Soitenly wasn't The Douay Bible!
Kojo.
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kojo
If I'm going to war with Tommy Atkins and his recruiting sergeant, wid yiz mind telling me who's the them that we've to point our weapons at?
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Kojo,
I'm Roman Catholic 1st
Celtic 2nd
Scottish 3rd
Of Irish Origin 4th
As for my politics its taken on an election by election basis on what is closest to the teaching of the Church. A spoilt paper more oft than not so I'm afraid your 'reds under the beds' posturing is way off the mark especially when you consider the tribulations of JPII.
Good Book is clearly alluding to the Good News or Gospel and I think you'll find its pretty against innocents dying to further your own ends.
It better them than us has no place in the Gospel or indeed in the mind of any decent individual.
thebhoyblack
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Greenlion2: You asked me last night whether I ever wrote articles about Celtic and,specifically, whether I had exposed the shameful campaign against Jock Stein.
Unfortunately, I had to be brief last night but thought I would give you a more detailed insight now that I have more time.
My position is that I am working for a national title in England covering Premier League football and rarely ever get a chance to write or report on Celtic.
In many ways this suits me because I can be both open and active in my support for the club in England and carry out my profession (I know some will scoff at that word).
Indeed I have down the years frequently acknowledged in print my lifelong love of Celtic.
And there isn't a football manager in the North of England who doesn't know I am a Celtic man.
Even Graeme Souness at Newcastle and Terry Butcher at Sunderland used to revel in the banter.
But virtually every journalist in Scotland who grew up as a Celtic or Rangers fan, disguises their boyhood allegiances.
It's all about self-preservation I think.
Given the huge level of support Celtic and Rangers have in Scotland it should translate into a large number of followers of these two clubs also being journalists.
Instead, we find that they are all supporters of smaller teams such as St. Mirren or Airdrie. Aye right!
Gordon Smith during his time as a television pundit was perhaps an exception to this phenomenon as is the Times sports writer Graham Spiers.
Both are well known as boyhood Rangers fans.
In a country as riven by bigotry and sectarianism as Scotland it is sad that so many journalists are forced to conceal their boyhood leanings for fear of attracting the wrath of one set of fans or the other.
On a couple of occasions I thought about returning to Scotland to write, but interviews in Glasgow quickly drove it home to me that I would probably be made less than welcome.
My transparency clearly wasn't appreciated. Neither I believe were the names of my old schools!
I would now never want to work in Scotland unless it was for Celtic. But as you know I am not afraid to criticise Celtic and many of my views are not shared by the Parkhead hierarchy.
In England it is common to hear writers and broadcasters regularly reveal which club they support. In Scotland it is frowned upon, although I believe I can spot our Rangers-leaning colleagues in a matter of paragraphs.
I have managed to cover a few major Celtic occasions by being sent to give a perspective for our English readers.
A wonderful week in Seville reporting on the impeccable behaviour of the 80,000 is a major highlight as was my piece on Henrik scoring the spectacular goal that began the momentous May afternoon in May 1998 when we killed the threat of the dreaded 10-in-a-row.
But, unfortunately, I don't have the platform to attack the morons who defile the memory of the legendary Jock Stein or the power to defend Artur Boruc for making the Sign of the Cross.
But rest assured, if I could, I most certainly would.
Last week I did a short comment piece on the implications of Dida's actions at Parkhead, but it was a rare incursion into a Scottish issue.
But I believe that whether I was to write about Celtic or Rangers I would always approach the subject with 100 per cent neutrality and objectivity.
There are many fine Scottish sports writers , but I am not convinced that we don't always see complete objectivity in Scotland because as you are aware the public relations company Media House spend a lot of time and money trying to promote a pro-Rangers agenda.
Like many others on CQN I abhor the Old Firm tag that is used to link Celtic to Rangers,especially on the sectarianism issue which is a ten times worse at Ibrox.
And with Gordon Smith leading the SFA I feel more and more Celtic fans will start to question that organisation's neutrality.
I may never get the chance to do that in the Scottish media or for Celtic, but CQN is a fabulous vehicle to articulate our shared feeling for this wonderful institution.
The standard of debate here is often inspiring even though there are so many diverse opinions in our broad chapel.
Hope this explanation helps.
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EdwardUrsas 12.13~letting your vile hun darkside slip into view again.
You ain't fooling nobody.
Are you Duffields daddy ?
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TheBhoyinBlack....
Oh! Yeah!
Tell that to the Egyptians... The Plagues?... THE DEATHS OF THE FIRST BORN?....
I am too busy to give you more examples, from the GOOD BOOK...there are oodles and oodles more.....
However....
My favourite quote, shall cover and defeat.....any argument that you may offer.
Ready?( Bhoy! I gotta hear this...isn't this exciting or what?....ed)( Patience, mon ami.)
"ALL IS FAIR IN LOVE AND WAR!"
Kojo.
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Sean South,
Thought I seen you post a while back saying you where a jurno.
One question, have you ever been on Jimmy Hills Sunday supplement on Sky??
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TTTT -
a lone voice crying in the wilderness so Ah wiz. Anyway, he's making a complete and utter fool of himself and we're well wise to him already.
Unfortunately we're not even at Sarajevo yet.
Thanks for the up.
SD
WG
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Martin42 -
should you drop in, I posted earlier on this thread re the late Frank Walsh.
Hope you are well,
Your friend, WG
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From today's Metro (this appealed to me)
THE BOLIVIAN FA has a novel solution to the problem of playing World Cup qualifiers at different altitudes next month. Bolivia play at sea level in Uruguay on Saturday, before facing Colombia at altitude in La Paz next week. As a result the FA has split the squad, with home-based players training in the rarefied air of La Paz and their European stars in lowland Santa Cruz. No one knows if they'll field two teams or whether it will be two games of two halves.
dontbratt - yeah, you're right - splitters.
WG who's off to the Teser
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Thanks for your kind words Kojo.
The last thing I would want to see is this excellent blog turned into a political battleground however, some comments need IMO to be faced up.
Our club is not a cipher to be used by those who have their own political agenda- and that applies to everybody.
Anyway its looks like Duffers has signed his own death warrant.
As they say in the classics
"Whom the gods wish to destroy they first make mad
Come on the Reidso!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Kojo,
I think you'll notice, if you read again carefully, I said "Gospel".
As for "All is fair...." are you perhaps getting confused between the Gospel of John and John Lyly?
According to the Just war theory the protection of non-combatants is paramount but just how many innocent citizens of Iraq are you or I worth?
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Gerry:No I haven't been on Jimmy Hill. Sundays are sacred to me. Did the forerunner Hold the Back Page which went out last on a Friday night.
But it meant going to London on a Friday night and then scrambling back to your match in the North on Saturday morning.
Too much hassle at my age, so I usually avoid TVand radio these days.
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TheManinBlack....
How many Iraqi's am I worth?
You blithely ask.
You must be kidding?
That reminds me of a Joke.......
"A Scotsman went into a Super Market in Downtown Los Angeles....
In viewing the offered Cuts of Meat in the Local Albertson's, he came across this curiosity...amongst the packages on display.
Ilb, Finest Scottish Brains @ 50 cents.
1lb, Finest Mexican Brains @100 Dollars.
"Here, Here,my good man" the Scot angrily asked the Butcher.
"Why the huge difference in Price between the MEXICAN and the SCOTTISH BRAINS? I am feeling Insulted!"
"Oh! That is easily explained" said the Butcher...
I shall not finish the Punch line... as I am in no mood to put up with the usual Pack of P.C. ranters!
But I hope that you can get my point...
Point being...
Your question is rather silly and is of no import to our discussion.
Kojo
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Kojo,
For your information Black is my surname and I have no required dress.
I must, happily, end this discussion. My question may have been silly but of no import to the discussion ... not a chance.
I was hoping that by challenging you to quantify just how many of "them" dying was better than "us" you would realise that your position was indefensible and perhaps even rethink it.
On that I must retire and admit defeat.
Make you think .. fat chance.
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TheSpanishInquisition ;- Damn you caught me I may as well confess, I only post on here to let out my vile hun bigotry and to do my best to blacken the name of Celtic, it's fans and employees. I'm also trying to undermine the good name and integrity of Paul and his blog and as such will continue to inflict my rabid rantings on a captive audience.
or it could just have been a funny joke
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Hi Paul67,
A Celtic related article in my local paper may interest some on here.
On Sunday coming Celtic are sending a select to Irvine to play Irvine Meadow, the game kicks off at two and prices are five pounds and half price for concessions.
In case anyone thinks I'm going soft or trying to ingratiate myself now for the usual vile hun ranting, in the previous fixture last year the Celtic team were very young and got beaten 8 - 1, sorry that's it :-)
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Sean South,
I was just wondering with you saying about jornos in England being able/willing to say what teams they support.
As you said, they are not scared to come out and say.... when they're on the Jimmy Hill show.
PS, I've noticed since the program started back up this season that Jimmy isn't on it anymore, does anyone know why not???
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My dear friend,TheBhoyinBlack...
I apologise.
My addressing you by the wrong appellation, was unintentional... I am sorry....
You stood up well, considering the dearth of opposing points, that you had to woik with!
Only, kidding,palomine....
In fact, most of what I say...has to be taken with a pinch of the proverbial.
Suffice to say, I am an ADHERENT OF THE YIN AND THE YANG PRINCIPLE,...I religiously attend that particular, School of PHILOSOPHY.
As a matter of fact.... I believe that GOD is a GOD OF CHAOS(GOD OF CHOAS? Well....I didn't know that!...ed)( Doesn't surprise me, one little bit!You dinnae know even ...How tae Spell, the Woid!)
Kojo.
Yer Pal.... for Ever and Ever.
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Missed today, apologies if you asked a direct question. I had a really good article as well, but was delayed in the city in the east. It'll keep for another day.
Edward, Ayrshire football. Shin guards at the ready.
Never mind, at least we are not called St Mirren (you will need to have read SFTB's earlier witticism to get this one; it's worth reading).
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Paul67 :- Shin guards are only needed bye the seniors, full body armour is the recomended option for the juniors :-)
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Kojo 14.52
If any question why we died,
Tell them, because our fathers lied
– Rudyard Kipling on the death of his son (1915).
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Gerry: Have not heard anything officially as to why Jimmy Hill is no longer on the show.
But I do know that he has been suffering from cancer for some time.
He will also, incredibly, be 80 on July 22 next year.
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My dear friend, Benny.....
Shucks! It was nuthin'!
Ah! Mr.Reid?
I will come out right now, and tell you or anyone who is out there....
I Believe in Mr. REID!
His Appointment at the Helm of the Board, gives me the confidence to state that...
The Celtic Ship will continue to Be In GOOD HANDS!
Mr.Quinn, has covered himself in Glory...
His Selective Parsimony and Astuteness in Financial Matters, has succeeded in elevating the Celticfc from being a BACKSCRABBLE(Huh?....ed)( Don't like it?...well, sue me!)INDEBTED OUTFIT....to a Strong and Financially well Fortified and growing Company.
Mr.Reid will take the Celtic Club, to the next phase of it's journey... with the aim of achieving EUROPEAN MEMBERSHIP IN FULL.
Don't Believe me?
You ain't seen nuttin', yet!
"Sava da Applausa... Waita til da end"
Kojo.
Yer Pal.... who wull nevah let ye doon!( If ah kin help it...that is!)
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My dear friend, Piratecnic...
And, he was right!
They all are a bunch o' Liars, Hypocrites, Cheats, Rascals and Vagabonds! ... The POLITICIANS!
I abhor them.....
So ?
What else is Noo....
Besides, York, Joisey and Brunswick?
Kojo.
Yer pal .... who likes ye.
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If Duffield's comments date from before his SFA appointment, why have they surfaced today. The STV news report seems to have solicited a reply from William Gaillard at UEFA, expressing puzzlement as to why noone from rangers had made this charge against them previously.
Now if William wanted to prove that there was no agenda against Rangers, he has a good opportunity tomorrow to overcompensate in demonstrating his even handedness.
That's why we're paranoid, eh?
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I wrote about this new Rangers book on here (think it was last week). I think it is fantastic that they are doing this. Its another attempt to justify the unjustifiable.
Smith must now be hunted out of office - get writing to the SFA, your MP etc etc and cause as big a stink about this as you can.
Can you imagine if someone said there was an agenda against Celtic (let alone the CEO of the SFA)- it would be ridiculed by everyone as paranoia.
SFTB - interesting thought that - an attempt to put pressure on UEFA ahead of their decision tomorrow?
Good angle that....
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NegativeAnon
I do believe you have an agenda against Mr Smith.
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Interesting reading in the last couple of days' posts. Must be an international week or something.
Mr Smith's comments were apparently made before he was appointed to his current post, not that that makes a great deal of difference to anything. I would have one question for him: why did he only apparently play schools football against Catholic schools?
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On the Celtic board we now have two individuals who are well capable off taking the debate on many issues forward, especialy on the European front.
In so far as Gordon Smith is concerned we are dealing with a beaurocratic Pygmy off giant proportions.
I will lose no sleep over his utterings,nor will others better placed.
I may have missed something but i seem too recall Brian Wilson also voting in favour of invading Iraq, but must have missed any fall out directed at him on his appointment to our board.
Well there you go.
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Kevtic - is it that transparent?
He is a Numpty of the highest order (clearly he isnt too clever)
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Comment piece I wrote last weekend which was forwarded to Michel Platini and William Gaillard at UEFA on Monday.
A MEMO TO MICHEL
MICHEL Platini completed the unlikely journey from European Footballer of the Year to UEFA president in January pledging to defend sporting values and restore justice and equality to European football.
Now just ten months into his tenure as Europe's most powerful administrator, the player-turned-powerbroker has the ideal opportunity to show that the romantic ideals and noble visions he outlined before coming to office were not simply empty electioneering.
If the Frenchman wants to breathe a new spirit of fairness into the game then he must treat the unwelcome events at Glasgow's Celtic Park on Wednesday with an even hand that wasn't always evident under his predecessor Lennart Johansson.
Under Johansson, UEFA was seen to favour big over small, rich over poor. The Swede talked tough on racism but delivered weak fines. Platini now has a chance to demonstrate his brand of new justice is fair to everyone.
That means examining the case of AC Milan keeper Dida's "simulation" as the football authorities euphemistically term cheating, as forensically as Celtic's transparent security failure.
The gaze of the world was on Parkhead around 9.35 on Wednesday night when an idiotic pitch intruder confronting Dida inadvertently highlighted why one of the central planks of Platini's platform- fair play- is so vital to the future of improvement of the game.
The incursion by 27-year-old Robert McHendry and the contact with Dida- albeit minimal- was a mindless, indefensible act that will be condemned by football followers the world over and rightly bring Celtic punishment from UEFA.
It was a gross display of selfishness that ruined the night for 60,000 Celtic fans ecstatic at seeing their side score a last-gasp winner against the European champions and probably also deflated millions of global viewers watching a classic victory by David over Goliath.
But for many lovers of the game the theatrical response of Dida was reprehensible. His risible antics have even left Brazilian compatriot and team mate Kaka and much of Italian public admitting he was wrong.
That is in itself remarkable given that in the seedy world of Italian football usually the only crime is being caught.
Unfortunately, for Dida a battery of cameras around the stadium captured the tap delivered by McHendry to his neck area from a dozen angles and left the world puzzling why he went down so dramatically holding his right temple after initially chasing the intruder. The ice pack and stretcher took exaggeration to a new level.
Celtic's previously excellent record will be taken into account when Uefa's disciplinary body deal with the case on Thursday.
Both UEFA and FIFA have previously honoured Celtic supporters with Fair Play awards and earlier this year UEFA Communications Director William Gaillard, a special advisor to Platini, held Celtic fans up as a shining example when he criticised the behaviour of Liverpool fans at the Champions League Final against AC Milan.
Celtic's record should mitigate against draconian punishment. The Scottish club will be fined for the security breach but should escape any sterner punishment.
But if Platini's quest for higher standards is to make any impression on the modern breed of multi-millionaire footballer then barefaced cheating must be driven from the game.
Platini's opening address as president has set the right tone:"Football must insist on respect - for opponents and for the referee first and foremost. If it cannot rid society of its ills single-handed, it can at least set an example by promoting solidarity, fair play and fun."
For the good of the game Platini must make sure that fair play triumphs on this occasion and that Dida and the rest of European football are shown that under this new regime cheats will no longer be allowed to prosper..
END
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NegAnon
It's gonna be hard to kick up stink in a cesspool but if, after reading (And I quote from Amazon) -
'...also a critique of books like 'Celtic Minded' and 'Celtic's Paranoia' (in a brilliant, excoriating essay entitled 'The World of the Celtic Minded') which, it is argued, help to perpetuate the victimhood mindset of many Celtic supporters...'
(Excoriating, I think, deals with peeling away the skin)
if, after reading that essay and there is a flawed argument that helps self-perpetuation of their own superiority complex in a world that has outgrown it...
Then yes, I'm help you cause a stink. By God I will.
UMcG
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3 new posts on www.thelordofthewing.blogspot.com
One-regarding "Celtic FC Training Centre"
Two-Aboot Peter Grant
Three- Little Dick Advocaat..
None aboot Mr Smith..yet...he can wait..
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newly turned on to the site. greetings bhoys and ghirls (and blhue nhoses - EU). as the name says - we must never turn to the dark side of the anti-football and play the wattinaccio. on the 20th, its back to what we do best. PLAY FOOTBALL THE GLASGOW CELTIC WAY!!!
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UMcG
It is always a classic tactic to blame the victim. Its been used the world over. Attempt to ridicule and dehmanise those you persecute because it makes it easier to do so.
I also find it revealing that much of this book will be about Celtic and the Celtic support - you see they cannot examine themselves without contrasting to those they hate. Contrast that with both Celtic Minded and Celtic's Paranoia and you find little of this.
The attempt to intellectualise the position of Rangers is laughable and the book will be embarressing to one and all.
Edward I think I previously asked you what you thought of this - do you really believe there is a defendable position here?
Do you agree with what Smith is saying?
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sincerest apologise for the abrupt interuption to your wonderful site Paul 67!! keep up the good work
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sincerest apologise for the abrupt interuption to your wonderful site Paul 67!! keep up the good work
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welcome...erm...the devil...( i thought you were dead and buried in killarney)
usual wednesday night...
nae whooosh nae bedlam
and nae fitba!
humbug!
hows kerrang!CSC doing?
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Apologies on the irrelevance, I just need an answer sharpish...
Anyone know if my father and mother's next of kin is me as eldest child only, or my brother and sister too?
I believe the latter.
Back to relevance - Sack Duffield!
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My dear friend... the devil plays 4-5-1...
Interruption.?
Not in any shape or form..
Did you not know that the act of Walking, is a series of INTERRUPTED falls?( Ah dinnae know that!...ed)(Figures!)
ERGO....
No walking...no PROGRESS!
Q.E.D.
You are most welcome....pal.....
Jump in Anytime!
Kojo
Yer Pal..... who likes ye, already!
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SACK DUFFIELD
just back in from work very long day
as a habitual reader of the Times you can imagine my reaction to the article re Duffield`s comments
an "agenda" i would sincerely hope that there is an agenda against any club which has operated such a blatant sectarian policy and whose fans seem to trouble knowing the words to any song which isn`t rampant anti-catholic bigotry
the man`s a buffoon,a joke , an idiot and by his own hand is a bigot
a disgrace ...he must be sacked
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Steven Godden of STV sport earlier claimed to 'understand' that 'Celtic can expect a fine of £20,000' tomorrow.
Stick.
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hello all,
long time lurker first time poster
anyways just want to tell you all that tomorrows lead story in the sun is........
Duffield!
I think we can say that Duffield is beginning to lose the media room.
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Welcome the devil plays 4-5-1, however….
On the 20th, we have the opportunity to win the league (in my never humble opinion).
I watched the full 90 minutes of Rangers defeat by Hibs (on Rangers TV); Hibs played it tight and won the points.
Remember Martin? He played the fabled Celtic way on his first visit to Ibrox, but learned a painful lesson. On his second visit we hardly crossed the half way line until the last 30 minutes, though we did so very effectively after that point.
Even though he had a far superior team on most of his subsequent visits, he always played it tight. They never had a shot on target against us one season.
I am all for 4-5-1 as it will produce a 0-1 outcome.
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My dear friends, PatnMick.......
Nice for you to drop by...
Welcome to our digital hearth!
Now that we have you on board...
Whatever became of DUNNE?
Kojo.
Yer Pal.....for ever
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bloke 109
legally could anyone of the three of you
as far as i understand age is not a defining factor
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TheDevilPlays 4 5 1 :- Like you I'm no great fan of that system except perhaps when playing away in Europe. However if playing that means we win on the 20th I'll be more than happy despite the defensive line up. To be honest I'd take us playing that every week if it meant we lifted the title. Like many on here a couple of seasons back my thinking is get the trophy and then you can pretty the play.
NegAnon :- To be honest I've kept out of this one as all I've read are the quotes on here. Without reading it I can give a general opinion of the tactics of blaming others. I think it's wrong and doesn't improve your case except in very rare circumstances. I would rather the book were less anti Celtic (if that's the case bearing in mind I haven't read it) and more pro Rangers. Singing about being up to your knees (or necks in some versions) in fenien blood is wrong under any circumstances. If Celtic fans were standing everyweek chanting mrder all Protestants (and I'm not in any way saying they did, do or will ever do) that would be wrong but it still wouldn't justify the singing of the Billy Boys. We should all measure ourselves by what is right not by what others do.
Bloke 109 :- One of the legal eagles would be able to answer but I was under the impression that in Scotland the eldest was next of kin to a parent, though if both are alive aren't they each others next of kin?
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Any truth in the rumour that Gordon "Axminster"Smith has taken up residence in the vacant[for the moment] mineshaft below the Celtic Park car park ?
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pfayr, NegAnon
Could you imagine Smith's cause celebre being displayed in the political arena?
Sacked!
My early hope is this book sets itself up like a Columbo villain, archly considering itself smarter that its watcher/reader, ultimately hoist on its own petard.
Kano and Awe Naw have talked about the well-oiled positive press onslaught being prepared...
Guess what folks?
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Kojo,
I don't get the Dunne reference.
I knew I wasn't sharp enough for this bear pit!
PatnMick
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Paul67
You admit to watching RangersTV!
Hmmmmmm
Must have a word with your pater.
Mind you if it was for educational reasons then mibbees it could be allowed this time.
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Hi Paul67,
Another story from my local paper, on Friday the Irvine csc are having a dinner, the guest of honour was meant to be D. Hay who couldn't make it, as a substitute they have W. Henderson, for anyone going although you may dissapointed I can say from experience that Mr Henderson gives a great speech after dinner.
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Welcome patnmick, excellent name.
I have missed the story on Duffield today, need to get a recap.
He lost the media a long time ago, I know a few have been waiting for their moment.
EDB, it made great viewing. Hibs had a >20 pass move late in the game, Rangers could not get the ball off them.
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My dear friends, PatnMick....
Oh!
Well as everybody knows....
I don't Do jokes......!(Ye goat dat right!....ed)( Yer joab is hingin' by a threed!)
Without spoiling that ancient school boy howler...
Dunne was the guy with the Breed!
As in Loaf!
Get it?
Got it?
Good!( Fargo wull no like ye usin' his material.....ed)( Watcha talkin'aboot,Willis?..... Ah write maist o' it anyhow!)
Kojo
Yer Pal.... who likes ye...
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paul67
full story is on the back page of the Times ...available on line
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Paul67
Did you go the whole hog and listen to a certain phone in after their game ended? I seem to recall you saying you had been at the grass that day:o)
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Lets get one thing straight here.
Smith is an idiot, but lets not kid ourselves, a dangerous idiot.
This guy is not your usual bonkers, dont know any better, sectarian rangers fan. No, this nutter is a bonkers, dont know any better, sectarian rangers fan, with a platform to spout from
Many posters on here tonight have laughed in the face of adversity, but this, without doubt is more serious than that. We have a guy in charge of Scottish football who is without doubt 100% anti Celtic and Catholic. I would have no idea how to organise a mass protest, but to protect our good name and our future, we cannot and should not take this guy lightly. I sincerly hope that the Celtic board, (and I'm sure they will) keep a very close eye on this guy.
As long as this nutter is in office, then rest assured, we have a BIG problem.
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31003
I think you're right, he is dangerous.
He may not be the sharpest but he is sharp enough to keep on the right side of being sacked.
Jim Farry was similar but he eventually made the mistake of getting caught.
I think Fergus' greatest achievement, it's a lot easier to build a stadium than remove a relic.
He won't be removed from his position for this, nor will he suffer any sanctions.
Bizarrely Duffield, if he plays his cards right, could walk out of this with victim status.
A hero standing up against political correctness gone mad.
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31003
i agree totally with your sentiments and would expect our board to call into question his fitness for the post
he is clearly not impartial ...far from it
extremely pro Rangers
and is the holder of questionable views on sectarianism
he is dangerous and should be hunted out by us
ignore this bigot at your peril
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pfayr, stunning.
EDB, :-)
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Sorry but nutter and idiot is not very clever on our part.
We must guard against wanting him out just because he is an ex-rnagers man. You have got to have good grounds to attack someone. Smith may have had a touch of foot n mouth but it is not enough on it's own. And I'm sorry but Celtic fans arraning a witch hunt will only backfire.
We cannot just go for his throat for now we have got to stand back and let him cut his own throat. As I'm sure he will.
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To answer Duffield's question:
God Save the Queen, "the national anthem", is offensive to me as a Scot.
It is an anti-British, anti-union, sectarian (against the Scots) rant and is not an anthem I identify with.
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Kevtic,
Agreed, let's cut him some slack, or give him some rope....
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Kevtic
Ihave no doubt that this fool will eventually cut his own throat. what worries me is the damage he can inflict until such times as he's found out
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Paul67,
Agree totally on that dirge. It's not even an inspiring song!
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Gordon Smith's claim about Rangers heritage being "Church of Scotland" and "Unionist" is simply untrue and should be exposed as such.
Rangers were founded by a 16-year-old boy from Dumbartonshire named Moses McNeil and his brother Peter- part of an Ulster-Scots family of seven- as well as two other teenage lads.
Moses McNeil named the team that played on Glasgow Green after the name of an English rugby union side he had read in a magazine. The club was formed simply to give a group of young teenagers regular recreation.
The foundation of Rangers had nothing to do with either religion or politics.Indeed quite a few of the earliest Rangers players were Catholics.
It wasn't until the time of the First World War when many Ulster Protestants from the Harland and Wolf shipyard flocked to Clydeside yards that Rangers began to adopt the staunchly Protestant policies that brought religious apartheid and shameful anti-Catholic employment policies to Scottish football.
The Rangers directors of the time deliberately adopted this odious policy as a direct result of Celtic's rise to prominence as they overtook Queen's Park to become Scotland's most successful club .
Rangers were in existence for 40 years before they went down the sectarian route in a bid to win greater support from a Scottish public that was around 90 per cent Protestant at the time.
Although Celtic was a fully inclusive club that built a bridge between Scotland and Ireland and Catholic and Protestant, they were usually portrayed as Irish and Catholic by a hostile media (what's changed?).
It was understandable that Scottish Protestants would be enticed by Rangers lure that this was THEIR club.
But trying to link Rangers specifically to a Church of Scotland background is historical (or should that be hysterical) tosh.
If Smith actually knew his stuff he would have known that the strongest influences on Rangers change in direction in the early 21st century were Freemasonry and Orangeism, imported by the Protestant immigrants from Northern Ireland.
But he dare not admit that.
I know many Presbyterians, Baptists, Methodists etc of Rangers persuasion who would dispute that Church of Scotland nonsense.
Smith needs to read up on his history before spouting such inaccurate rubbish....
And if he is so opposed to bigotry and sectarianism would he care to explain why he signed for an employer who was operating a blatant policy of discrimination against Catholics?
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Sean South
SUPERB
As I was taught from a very young age, and I would advise Smith the same
"If you have nothing intelligent to say then say nothing at all"
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In the Herald "I will not be silenced" by Duffield and Broadfoot.
http://www.theherald.co.uk/news/news/display.var.1751460.0.0.php
Some of his best friends are celtic fans don't you know.
Is he waving or drowning?
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God - John Lennon
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patnmick
Da joke aboot Pat an'Mick an' Dunne?.....
Ah'll tell it if ye like... ah aye like a bit o' fun!
Pat an'Mick an Dunne, lived in da same Tenement...
Wan day dey were HUNGRY...
so aft tae da Market...
Dey Went!
Dey hid nae money tae spend... as dey hid jist bought some coal...
I pains me tae say dis....
But it wiz a Fine Loaf o' Bilsland's dey STOLE!
Back at der Flat, which wiz richt above da wan where Dunne wiz at....
Pat an' Mick enjoyed maist of the Bread,
When dey wur finished dey Passed doon da rest o da Bread,
TAE der friend Dunne, who's turn it wiz noo tae be FED!
Meanwhile da Grocer wiz Hoat oan der Trail...
An here we get near, tae da end of da tale!
He followed dem tae Flat where Pat an' Mick wiz at! an' he asked dem
"Whaur is ma Breed dat ye stole, ye doity Rats!"
It wiz no us!... da Bhoys Cried...
It wiz Dunne frae doon dae stair...
I am sorry tae say dae done lied!
Da Grocer breenged inta Dunne's apartment... and he saw Dunne sitting der at his table...
"Ur ye DUNNE?" questioned da Grocer,fur Pat n Micks' story he dinnae dinnae quite trust!
Da man at the table completes dae end o' dis fable.....when he dryly says......
"Naw!Ah'm ONLEE.. still da Crust!!
collie.
Tail's Awaggin', Awaggin'
Kojo wull be mad...
An' dat wull be jist hivtae be... too bad..
He wull rant an' rave an' gie me fits...
But ah' tell him were tae go...
an' eat, Ma GRITS!
Sneakin' oot da door!
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does anyone have the criteria required for Smiths job at the SFA?
Working as I have in an admin, business background for the past 30 years, I believe my qualifications are probably higher than Smiths
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With all the free publicity we have given Duffield's controversial book on CQN, it cannot fail but to make the best sellers' list when it is published.
In the process Duffield will earn many thousands of pounds which will nicely cushion the effect of his inevitable sacking.
There ain't no justice in this old world!
Hail! Hail!
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Just listened to an interview, provided by Randalstown, by some eejit called Matk Dingwall possibly from FF.
There simply is no hope for them.
They are rotten to the core - and always will be.
Sorry Ed.
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Can a vote of "no confidence" in the CE from a member club force a referendum of sorts?
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E.D.B :- With the exception of football teams I probably have far more in common with the majority of posters on here than I do with those on Follow Follow. Tere are other sites that I would say are far more representative of mainstream Rangers support than that one. We don't all think like that. (and that's without hearing the interview)
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EDB
Had a listen to the interview also.
We need guys like him to continue to show them up for what they are.
If the were represented by the likes of our Edward, they would appear to be decent and reasonable.
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Is the SFA not the business/administration side to Scottish football, and if so, should the CE not have some sort of business/administrative acumen? SMITH? Whats his background?
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thanks Collie,
I've never heard that one before.
Gotta say it's one of the few such jokes that I've not heard and laughed at.
My user name was inspired by a combination of my first name and surname...
It's also a tribute to the many times in my life where people, some not as kind as yourself, have on hearing my name proceeded to tell me a pat'n mick joke in a fake Oirish accent.
I view it as reclaiming patnmick for us, you know like other groups have done with similar titles. Though I will not repeat those titles, as it's WAY too controversial.
Anyway cheers,
PatnMick
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What exactly are Smiths duties within the SFA? Ambassador? What?
Does his job actually mean anything or could the SFA run without this figurehead?
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Re Smith
Personally I would withdraw our players from the Scotland squad and make them unavailable until he resigns or is removed.
Any article I have seen seems to emphasise that these remarks were made BEFORE he took up the post of chief exec - Well,that's alright then!!!!!
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Edward
Always good to "speak" with you.
Pity we don't get the opportunity to communicate with more like minded Rangers folks as yourself.
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I'm still intrigued by who's leaking the book quotes.
You may recall that the first leaks from Rangers Minded quoted the Rev. Stuart McQuarrie, Glasgow Uni chaplain, I believe, being cited as a guy who believed that Celtic fans liked to wallow in their status as victims.
Well, forgive me CQN for I have sinned, in that I still read the Herald. In today's letter page, the Rev. McQuarrie says he did not say these words, these are not at all representative of his views, that he finds the views attributed to him by the Herald reporter repugnant, and that he believes his Catholic friends will find them more repugnant.
So over to the Herald. Why did they invent these quotes? Who fed them to their tame journos? And are they an Embra based PR company with a long history of selling their souls.
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EDB
Maybe if all the kids went to school together you would.
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We all would
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Mr Angry :- That was lobbing a grenade into a minefield :-)
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Sad as this may seem, but as long as Smith is in office, I now hope Scotland get PUMPED Starting this weekend
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mr angry
I would have no difficulty with that so long as my children continue to receive the religious education that I, my parents, grandparents etc ad finitum received.
Somehow I think that would not be the case.
Can anyone give me examples of Catholic schools being so unwanted in other parts of the world.
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EDB
Well I live in England and most here people don't want separate faith schools. An opinion shared bye the Sweeds.
I do think that the teaching of all main world religion is important for people living in the world we do.
Just not one as the truth and all the others as fascinating traditions. But ultimately mistaken.
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Sorry my spelling is poor
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El Diego boy
I have three kids. All went to a catholic school. Not because of religion, but because these particular schools had better educational results. If someone really wants their kids to learn and practice a particular religion, it should be down to the parents and not the school to ensure this. What really annoys me about Smith?
My father was a protestant supporting Rangers fan. We would split up to watch the game, then one would console the other, without showing their glee, if the others team was beaten. What Smith has acheived is to drive an even fatter wedge between an already, but improving, fragile relationship between warring factions. The man is a bloody fool, orating from a high position
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According to Spiers tonight on the radio, Duffield was given the chance to re-write his piece for the book after his appointment at the SFA.
He choose to remove a small part and keep the rest of the original piece.
Makes you wonder what he removed !
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EDB - it's not really the schools, of course.
Certainly, quite a few people seem to hate Catholic schools in themselves and would regard it as a great victory over the papes if they could get them abolished, but the whole point of blaming "Catholic schools" for sectarianism in Scotland is that it provides a socially acceptable way of blaming bigotry on Catholics, without having to say it in as many words.
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Sean South thanks for your really good long replies. Its a pity I cant use the first...Although Butcher as a player was probably the second best Centre half I have saw in Scotland behind big Marc.
Sean and Kano I was not in the best of moods last night and a crap attempt at digging the 2 of you was p*** poor.
But I feel that as I said before and I saw tonight someone else ask it, why was there no uprorar on Brian Wilson coming on board? I feel we/us are our own worst critics.
We are replacing 1 of the ex top financial guys in the UK with 1 of the most powerful ex political guy in the UK. Positive?
I have never met either apart from passing Brian in Babbity's (if thats allowed Kano as you bring it up every now and then)!!!!
There is corruption in every area of society especially the higher up you go and I include the vatican in that (David Yallops book In Gods Name is a good read on it) so why pick on John. I know you will comeback with his vote for the war etc but have you never had your say behind closed doors with your boss and then been told ok but you need to toe the line (or salute the flag) and have to defend the indefenceable to your guys. I am not saying that is what happened but it could have and I have as much knowledge as I would imagine anyone on this blog... unless Blair is looking in.
Not making light of your case against John Reid but he will be the Chairman of our club and in my belief not the worst by a long stretch.
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Mr Angry - I live in England too and faith schools simply aren't an "issue" on the political radar here as they are in Scotland.
So you must be psychic or have conducted extensive polling data to determine that most people don't want them.
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ElDiegoBhoy:
Don't take this as some sort of attack on you, I am merely interested to know.
In terms of education in catholicism, why is it so necessary to have your children brought up in a school geared around your faith? Is it not possible that if you want your child educated in its beliefs, to have this occur outside of school, and through local priests etc, rather than during school time?
Again, im not trying to provoke a reaction, but as a non-religious Celtic fan, I am curious. I was raised a catholic for msot of my years, but due to various circumstances I attended both a catholic school and a mixed faith school over my educational years. I never really understood why there is a need for seperate schools, and in some ways was more impressed with the mixed faith system if truth be told.
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A wee thought: is it just me, or does one hear Catholic schools blamed for sectarianism in the Scottish media a lot more often than, say, the Orange Order and other groups which arrange thousands of divisive sectarian marches every year?
I must be paranoid.
