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Let's hope we can keep the goals against column blank against both Milan and Benfica to put us out on our own as the Champions League record holders for consecutive home clean sheets.
That would be another European first for Celtic: The first team to record eight consecutive home shut-outs in the Champions League ...to go with The first British team to win the European Cup.
And as we all know, whatever happens in the future, you can NEVER beat a FIRST.
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Aye, you can never beat a first. And that is mine on this thread!
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Possibly not,according to Cafflik school of the Timternet,Wikipedia.
a/He used to work as a dentist.Not in itself a crime but when he took charge of the final of Euro2004 the German coach of the Greek team was one of his patients;the Portuguese did not think much of his performance.
b/When he was young he had a squeaky Allan Ball type voice,he got voice lessons so that he now talks like Darth Vader
c/the 3 games he refereed in WC06 were not without controversy,and his poor overall rating prevented him taking charge of any of the later fixtures in the tournament,despite twice being FIFA referee of the year.
That was FTLT.I think I hold the CQN record for the Lanterne Verte.
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Luckily, every post I make is a First.
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You should qualify, Paul, the significance of the 24 games you mention. Namely that it is the number of games since Celtic last kept a domeatic clean sheet away from home.
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(Try "domestic")
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P67: A third 0-0 draw would not be a disaster for either team tomorrow night.
Agreed, but the boost in confidence we'd get if we were to beat them would be massive.
It's going to be hellishly tough, but we can do it. How good it would be...
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Is there a proposed CQN prematch arm wrestling contest tomorrow night?
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Pro - _, California
And they gave us Saxon, Morrison, Densmore and Arthur Lee;
They gave us Echols, McLean, Manzarek and Robbie Krie;
And most of the stoner greats
Graced LA and The Golden Gate
To play rock music
The psychedelic way.
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Lets hope we get the keeper tested early doors
as dida is meant to be playing with a dodgy shoulder
SHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT
Shots from all angles please celtic
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from previously on CQN
fatherandbhoy
i meant 67 lisbon ticket t-shirt type thingy
as im too old (nearly) to kick about town in hoops.
but i get your point, only get the youngsters 1 strip
next year rather than the two and maybe i can
afford the champions league games.
id rather not put up with the grief. ;-)
big wavy
i was only relaying the common concensus.
it wasnt my take or what i think.
i nearly bought a ticket last thursday after a txt
from the ticket office but my wifes at a night out
therefor, i was scuppered anyway.
dbbina
over-familiarity was definately a problem seconds after the
draw, but as soon as the games came around that went out
the window. all my old jersyes still fit too, but ive always been
xxl ;-)
paul67
that would be an awesome stat.
the consecutive CL clean sheet record.
after saturdays game i was a bit worried about wednesday because
of one or two performances.
i didnt agree with your performance related post on it, however
its results that count which i was happy with.
naylor and caldwell give the ball away far too much and thats
my only worry for 2moro.
as long as the midfield make themselves available at all times
to these two we'll at least get a draw.
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Lennondinho
I read somewhere that big Nelson Dida is out for tommoro night.
Think you are still right though if that is the case shoot fae everywhere!!!
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From last post... Fatherandbhoy, does that mean you attend games in your underwear?!
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j-tim-bag, if that's to be the tactic then Skippy and Deeks both need to be on the pitch, as I'm sure either of them could score from behind the goal, were it legal.
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My thanks to BigChips for the research on the above article; it was all his work, so we cannot grudge him his 'First'.
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Celtic all over the national broadsheets today - Times article about George Connolly (link at the top of the page), and the Guardian has us 2nd in the list of classic kits (second to Leeds!! Whit!!).
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BigChips,
good shout though cant see it for Deeks from the start.
Sometimes watching celtic there is a tremendous amount of passing in front of the opponents penalty box, like they are looking to walk it in. Now I don't know if at football I have no patience but sometimes when the chance to have a pop comes up then have a GO! Donati, Brown, JvOH, Skippy, Deeks, Aiden and of course Naka are all well qualified to ping when they want to. This I would like to see tommorow.
The defence we are up against tommorrow night will be a mare to pass by so a 25 yard screamer fae Aiden will do me nice.
Aiden and 1-0 scorecast 105/1 on william hill. worth a coupla quid ...
P.s Does Skippy and Deeks not sound like characters in an Aussie soap opera...
JTB
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For all those hoping Dida doesn't make it....
He didn't play last season either. His replacement is the unfeasibly tall Aussie Zeljko Kalac, who at 6 feet and 10 inches (2.02 metres FFS) is only a couple of feet short of Munro classifiaction.
He's also a rather good keeper as memory serves.
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Skippy 5ft 8in
Zeljko Kalac 6ft 10in
Land of the giants.....
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Talking of away records, i began to think, well when did the orcs last win an away CL game? Turns out have gone 9 games without a win. The scots media love to remind us how poor ours is, but theirs is hardly inspiring:- (Rangers score last)
CSKA 0 – 1
Marseilles 1 – 1
Bruges 1 –1
Steaua 1 – 0
Juve 4 – 1
Dortmund 2 – 2
Grasshoppers 3 – 0
Ajax 4 – 1
Auxerre 2 – 1
Valencia 2 – 0
PSV 0 – 1
Bayern 1 – 0
Monaco 0 – 1
Galatasaray 3 – 2
Sturm 2 – 0
Panathanaikos 1 – 1
Man Utd 3 – 0
Stuttgard 1 – 0
Inter 1 – 0
Artmedia 2 – 2
Porto 1 – 1
Villareal 1 – 1
thats played 22 with just 3 wins and the CSKA game wasnt really away, as it was played in Germany, if i remember correctly. It also involved one of the jammiest deflected goals ever! But thats another story.
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It's hard thinking about how to deal with the JSK lies. I like the suggestion of merely chanting his name when they visit.
There is something though about bringing them to account for their 'offense'. As the new footballing dictat covers 'offensive chanting/singing' perhaps a round of offence, offence, offence offence offence a la MU 'attack' might suggest to the watching officials and public that there might be something to be looked into post match?
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or perhaps ridicule through panto time 'oh no he didn't' might also be effective?
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Cusp.
That's one of those great words.
Feels good to say.
Go on try it.
Cusp.
Cusp.
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Dentist[maybes even UEFALegend Markus Merk]to teenage girl patient'Nice big cusps
you've got there'
TGP'Yeth,and I'm only fourteen'
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Thursday's headline in the Scottish Hun, after a bad-tempered (2 Italians and one Celt red carded) but deserved 2-0 win for the Bhoys: "Storm in a C Cusp".
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Paul67,
Have I missed the detail of who currently hold the CL record?
Thom
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Paul,
Not convinced that your stats will have AC quaking in their boots.
DBBIA,
Merk is a pretty good ref. Little known fact - he uses all of his earnings from refereeing to construct schools in India + Sri Lanka.
Wait for some commentator to regurgitate that tomorrow - and you'll know where they've been lurking!
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Big Chip
If we win 2-0 then I fear my cusp may runneth over...
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Looking forward to seeing how Donati approaches this game.
Personally I'm looking for a really disciplined first 20 minutes from us - whether that involves attacking play or not. And are we not due a wee bit of luck as well?
Champeens Leeg Anticipation.
Nothing like it.
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DubaiBh-I read that in Wikipedia;clearly he is an individual who can see the big picture outside sport-let's hope he doesn't see any Spartak-type handballs!
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I wonder would 0-0 really be a good result?
If we lose at benfica that leaves us with 1 point in 9, and with 2 other teams possibly close to qualifying we could not assume the last 2 games would go the way we would expect if milan have 10 points when they face shaktar for a second time would they be that bothered about going for 3 points?
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Sir Paul
They say that Statistics never lie.
(Run that by me again...ed)(O.K.
They say that statistics never lie.)
Wella!
First of all... Who are "They"?
They of course are the other "Theys".
Now, my "Theys", who I believe are more accurate... say this:
"There are Three kinds of lies....
Lies, Darn Lies....and...... I will not finish it(Hold it! Hold it!... "Your "They" did not say that!... it wiz Mark Twain!)( Haud it, yersel'...Mark Twain stole it frae....Benjamin Disraeli!... who, in turn stole it Frae a Fellah sellin' papers, at the corner of the Strand!...who stole it frae, his father in law...who never liked him, anyway, since.... )( Okay! Okay! Enough~...sorry ah interrupted, in ma ignorance!)(Sheeeesht! Some people!)
So ye see, this Statistics business, is as old as time.
What are Statistics,anyway?
Just a bunch of Figures!
I believe that every game is a Different ball game. Is that no so?(Canny argue with dat!....ed)
Statistics have Nothing to do with it!
Being the Worser Team of the Two..... ( Let me say it! Let me say it! ah nevah get the punch- lines.... ed)(I get da gravy! "I'm in Charge!"... by the way... Who said THAT? sounds familiar!
to continue"
Being the Worser Team, in the Contest....is why ....that's why!
So what have we learned?
Celtic have an Atrocious Away Record, because they have been the
Worser of the Two....CONSISTENTLY!
Makes a wholelotta sense,to me!
Solution:
Celtic should strive to be...
THE BETTAH of the TWO Contestants!
Statistics bedarned!
As is my wont... here comes a Non Sequitur...right at ye!
I vote for a Deeks and Macko combination, for tomorrow evening's conflict....
What say you?
I am on a Crusade( Are ye allowed to say dat...ed)( I dinna know..but don't worry... I'll soon find out!)
What is the nature of my Crusade?(Yer pushin' yer luck,pally!..ed)( Ah know, ah know!)
Dump the BIG KICK AND A RUSH!
Dump the BIG TARGET MAN!
Down With the ARIAL BA'!( Should thaat no be "ARIEL"?....ed)(Actually, is should be "AERIAL"... I was just testing if you were paying attention!)
Celtic 34 Milan 0
Kojo.
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Wow Antsman,
You have moved us on from 1 point tomorrow and now nil pwaa in Lisbon !!!
Don't wanna tempt fate but who is to say that an enormous morale-boosting 1-0 tomorrow followed up by our first win on the road in lisbon with notoriously bad travellers Benfica back to celtic park immediately afterwards. Nine magnificent juicy points and still another home match to go !!!
Glass more than full csc
Big Wavy
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Thom Maley, Arsenal.
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Jens Lehmann got all the way to the final without conceding a goal if I remember right?
Until Henrik Larsson Superstar put the cherry on the icing of the cake of a sensational career!
Anyone heard anything about the proposed Celtic Anthology type DVD due out pre christmas?
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" Are you listening, are you listening, are you listening, Gordon Smith? Are you listening ,Gordon Smith.
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With hand cupped to ear.
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Kojo ,
I say give the ball to JVOH on the deck. This target man nonsense about him is rubbish. Give him the ball so he can lay it off. Otherwise put the cross in so he can win it. JVOH scores goals , end product. Alas he will be a loss tomorrow. Skippy can play up front alone but could he last 90 minutes? I think not , as the young lad busts a gut for the cause. So maybe we will see Riordan from the bench.
AC milan will have Deeks for breakfast as a front man. As a left "inside forward of a front three" would be his ideal solution as he can't defend. Play to Deeks strenghs and give the Bhoy a chance to do what he does.
4-5-1 turning into a 4-3-3 when on the offensive.
We need someone to take a chance but not at the risk of our defense being exposed. We must keep things Ultra-tight.
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TMC-I've heard that if Tims have been very,very good Santa might bring them this-
http://www.krakenopus.com/opus_col/celtic/
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Thom Maley, after much painstaking research I give you what the BBC couldn't (or at least didn't):
02/11/05 Arsenal 3 Sparta Prague 0
07/12/05 Arsenal 0 Ajax 0
08/03/06 Arsenal 0 Real Madrid 0
28/03/06 Arsenal 2 Juventus 0
19/04/06 Arsenal 1 Villarreal 0
26/09/06 Arsenal 2 Porto 0
01/11/06 Arsenal 0 CSKA Moscow 0
Seven consecutive home clean sheets, ironically covering exactly 365 days.
But if we also include qualifying games we have to add:
23/08/06 Arsenal 2 Dinamo Zagreb 1
...which effectively truncates their record to just five consecutive home clean sheets.
Meanwhile, take a look at this:
02/11/04 Celtic 1 Shakhtar Donetsk 0
07/12/04 Celtic 0 AC Milan 0
02/08/05 Celtic 4 Artmedia Bratislava 0 (QR)
26/09/06 1 Copenhagen 0
17/10/06 Celtic 3 Benfica 0
21/11/06 Celtic 1 Manchester United 0
20/02/07 Celtic 0 AC Milan 0
Now that is most definitely a straight seven home clean sheets in Europe's premier club competition, which I reckon is therefore already the record! And what's more, we won five of our seven, whereas Arsenal only won four of their (punctuated) seven clean sheet games.
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Tom the Tim ,
" Are you listening, are you listening, are you listening, Gordon Smith? Are you listening ,Gordon Smith.
Unfortunately he is and according to him Catholic schools are to blame.
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DBB
I saw that, with a contribution from Alex Ferguson to boot. Need to give up the season ticket to get that one I'd say :-)
Pretty sure I heard Peter Lawwell mention the DVD.
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And Celtic were so lacklustre during that win over Copenhagen on 26/09/06 that they were removed from the scoresheet and made to stand in the corner as a punishment!
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TMC-it looks fantastic,though!
Just what is needed to complete the Great Hall of Heroes,although Haraldina may have a different view.
Can't promise arm-wrestling[unless you're righthanded]but I'm going to be in Mcchuills from 5.30ish tomorrow,wearing my Jimmy Johnstone scarf and lucky vintage black Umbro training top.
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And the price for The Opus?
£4,000!!!
Do you think they'll serialise it in the Daily Retard?
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That's the Icons edition;the others are £3,250 and £2,250.
These days you can't get a decent left back for £4k...
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If anyone plans to buy the Opus, would they mind photocopying it for me?
Cheers.
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Or maybe we could chuck in a couple of £ each and buy a communal CQN copy...
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DBB
It certainly does!
May make it along there then depending upon how pre-match arrangements come along.
tmc
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My dear friend, Big Liam...
Your differing opinion is very welcome.
It is well thought out, and equally well expressed.
A breath of fresh air, really.
Of course, you are correct, in stating that Jvoh should receive the ball on the deck.
I have no argument to contradict that ineluctable fact.
However...
If that were the case, I ask you this:
Would Jvoh...owing to his congenital clumsiness and slowness of reaction... be capable of utilizing,what you have proposed, in a profitable manner?
The reason Jvoh is used as a target man...is ...
Because it is in THAT ROLE, that he is most at ease.
He is not without some success wearing that mantle ,of this there is no doubt...
But with the SALIENT Stipulation...
As long as he is ALLOWED TO DO SO, BY THE OPPOSITION!
To be candid....
I have never seen Jvoh having ....
ANY SUCCESS....in his appointed role... WHEN FACING A DOUGHTY CENTER BACK...
As far as the CL games that I have witnessed, Jvoh has been COMPLETELY ECLIPSED ....( I know.. once... Jvoh did snatch a very important goal against Manchester United... but otherwise?)
No, I for one, shall not miss Jvoh for one milisecond, tomorrow evening.
Whether, Gordon takes my advice and Partners MACKO and DEEKS, is a moot point.
The thrust of my proposal is this.
I want to see the DEATH of the BIG KICK AND RUSH ...INCLUDING THE DREADED... HIGH AERIAL SPECULATIVE BALL.... simple as that.
I believe that Players of the type owning the Physical Attributes of JVOH...
ENCOURAGE THIS TYPE OF COUNTERPRODUCTIVE TACTICS.
Down with the KICK AND RUSH!
Kojo.
yer Pal....forever.
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Kojo,
Personally given that Jan won't be available tomorrow I would go with Aiden in behind McDonald with a midfield 4 behind them. Milan's width comes from their full backs, Oddo and Favalli, Favalli is not great but Oddo is exceptional. Try and crowd the area that Kaka can do us most damage and we will stand a chance, let him play and we don't.
I personally would have gone with a big man against Milan, having watched them for a couple of years now, their main weakness is in the cross ball, not from about 30 yards out but from the byeline. The goals they concede in Serie A from that position points this out I think.
A sneaky wee 1-0 will do me.
Please
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Kojo,
I'd be very surprised to see Derek R making an appearance in the first XI tomorrow. After JvoH was injured on Saturday, the manager elected to give 'Magic' a runout in front of Riordan.
If, and it's probably a big 'if', WGS decides to play two strikers from the start tomorrow night, I'd imagine it would be SMcD and MZ.
I expect Scott McDonald on his own, with support from Aiden.
We shall see, soon enough.
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Tgtrum-yes, but the Mineshafters would be saying'it's not as good an investment as it looks,what with amortisation,and we should have gone to Bosman Books and got it for nothing,and the Happyclappers will be complaining that they lent it to the Lurkers,and they havn't seen it since,and the Kerrang!CSCers will want it in limited edition green vinyl,and the G83ers will be wanting to colour it in[;#@],and the ML2ers will be wanting to hit GDSmith with it..
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bambi
Will it be Favalli at left back? Jankulovski played there in February. I also think that the area we need to stop, perhaps even more importantly than Kaka is the one with the girly first name - I'm trying not to mention his name in the hope that Milan don't bring him along.
I don't think you can isolate Kaka, so if you isolate the supply to him, the fullbacks and Seedorf then you have a chance.
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GreenTrumpet,
In the pre-match conference the manager took time to talk about Chris Killen as a player.
(Big Wavy turns to camera in colombo pose)
- Does he want Milan to think he's still going with a big man / wee man permeatation replacing JVOH with KC ?
- Does he really have plans to play Aiden off Skippy ? Skippy with Magic ? Skippy on his own and supported by 5 man midfield ? Aiden on right or maybe Naka on left ? or vice versa ?
It's a long shot....but it just might come off :)
Big wavy
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TMC
Andrea is a boy's name first and merely imitated by girls at a much later stage. Perhaps it's a penis-envy thing. (Paul, that's a well known mental health issue, so don't delete it.)
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Paul67 or anyone,
Can someone shed some light on this for me please ? Does this mean if you are season ticket holder and you plan to go to Lisbon then you'll get a ticket ??
"Offer letters will be sent to Season Ticket holders for tickets for the match in Lisbon.
Supporters planning to travel to Lisbon who do not receive an offer from the Ticket Office should submit travel details to the Ticket Office in the event that tickets should be come available after the closing date"
Big Wavy
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Just in...
"A cow was heard humming The Sash on a farm just outside Glasgow
yesterday.
Vets have confirmed it as the first case of Bluenose disease in the UK."
Don't blame the messenger
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My dear friend, Bambi...
Again, your contribution to this discussion, is well proposed.
I have no quarrel with your suggestion of the tactic of using Aiden in the way that you have advanced.
It is sound.
My preference is .....and always is...
Good Football.
May I offer this...
Please take the time...this offer is to everyone capable of doing so... to visit Chan 67, sometime today.
Watch the Celtic Reserves v Invercuddy Reserves Video...
With this request...
SECOND HALF, ONLY!
You will see a super example by the Celtic Eleven of what I term...
Good Football.
Entertaining? Satisfying?
Everything you want to see, when you pays yer dough....and takes yer chance!
Don't laugh!
I believe, that that Celtic Reserve team would have been capable of beating MILAN, on a repeat of the display ,which they served up, during their SEVEN TO ONE WIN!
Their Defence was/is everything that the First Eleven is not.
The pairing of O'Dea and Cuthbert is a match made in Paradise.
which it is.. after all!
Both Wing Backs?... yeah!... Pukkah WING BACKS... were great.
Lotsa balls, from them into the box.
Charlie Grant?
Not the Charlie of old...
Much Bettah!
And that being his foist game ....after, a what... 14 months sabbatical?....
He had a BAD BACK....always a difficult ailment to shake!
He will only get Bettah and Bettah!
Kojo
yer pal....who just goes ga-ga, over yer cognomen!
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Dontbrattbakinanger
I dont know what, or even who your earlier post was referring to.
Despite this I feel I must take you to task.
You stated that "he used to work as a dentist. Not in itself a crime."
If it's not it should be!!!!!!!!
That's you told.
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DBBIA: Ha! You're right, we'll all just need to buy a copy each to avoid a huge barney.
Get the players to load all the copies into delivery vans - good upper-body work-out.
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kaka is easily isolated, you just need a net and a some sort of tranquelizer gun.
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Ragnar-Herr Markus Merk,tomorrow night's referee.
He can't be any worse than Saturday's clown;otherwise think of 60,000 being forced to watch Marathon Man!
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My dear friend, The Green Trumpet...
I hate to admit it...as I am nevah wrang!
You are possibly ,probably, right!
My dream of a Deeks, Macko... movement is possiblee, probablee... and here I may as weel throw in...a Reluctantlee...
Ash Can Material!
Another great idea, lost in the Magma of Of Gordon's Intransigence!
But ..... Magic?
I will not ask the obvious!
Kojo.
Yer pal.. who likes ye.( by the way... that is not necessarily an incongruent statement.... any pal that I have evah had.... was Jealous of my guts! They nevah really liked me!)
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James MacMillan is a busy man, and greatly in demand.
Therefore, I want to suggest that the club commission him now to compose a Celtic Symphony for our 125th in 2013.
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Bad Gones
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Kojo,
I hope in a few years time, the boys of summer will be ready to take on teams of Milan's ilk, unfortunately ICT reserves is no practice for that.
I watched the game, and thought Charlie was superb. A 1st team debut before the season is out, injuries permitting, I think.
TMC,
He was in at the weekend but I think you may be right, Jankulovski is a very good footballer. Kaka Kaladze is out and I think he may well have played so maybe Favalli at LB and Jankulovski in the centre.
I thought Catania did very well in squeezing the space in central midfield and forcing Gattuso into wider areas with the ball at his feet is a tactic I would follow. He is not gifted with the ball but there are few better without it.
It's unlikely that Pirlo, Gattuso, Gilardino, Inzaghi and Seedorf can have as poor a game tomorrow as they did on Sunday, but we can hope so.
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c1ST-
JMacmillan would have been an imaginative choice as chairman.
If not a symphony perhaps a variation on a tune by Arthur Sullivan and Glen Daly.
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Kojo,
until 'Magic' gets his finger oot, then my typing of his nickname will forever be accompanied by ' '.
Watching the shooting practice pre-match on a Saturday (not a great indicator of anything in the grand scheme of things granted, but...) I tend to think that 'Magic' is our best finisher - he strikes the ball beautifully. Just wish he could find the time and space to prove that during the match.
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Anyone got a link to George Galloway's comments re BJK?
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Thinking back to the AC game last year I wouldn't be suprised to see Sno start as holding mid with Brown, Donati and Hartley across the middle, McGeady right/left/middle and Skippy up front.
Kojo, Jan's goal against MU a year ago was evidence of his skill as more than a target man... I agree on the potential of the Cuthbert/O'Dea combination
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DBBIA
Good shout for a future chairman, but Jimmy Mac is not even in his prime and is already Scotland's greatest ever composer. He's got too much music to write for now.
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Annoying statistics -
In last year's CL group, Celtic lost all 3 away games and yet were top scorers away from home with 3 goals. This was as many away goals as the other 3 teams put together.
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Hi Lurkbhoy,
I'd be gobsmacked if Sno started the game....not a time to deviate too much from a winning team and this year we have almost a new signing in Paul hartley playing very well in that 'holding' role for both us and his national team.
The inclusion of Donati, Brown, Hartley and McGeady are givens imho. Other issues may evolve around the decision up front (see earlier post) and Naka. I think the Japanese maestro will emerge from the bench and play a starring role.
COME ON THE HOOPS !!
Big Wavy
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Big wavy, you may be right, but if we play one up front, who's the extra man in midfield? Or will we start with Magic and Skippy?
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Lurkybhoy,
I think we'll start with 2 up front (Skippy and the 'experienced' Magic) as anything else from the home side would be such a negative statement of intent.
I think Naka will start from the bench and replace a tiring midfielder who will have spent 60 odd minutes running themselves into the ground. That will give us a central formation of Brown, Hartley, Donati and Aiden.
If we did, the fifth midfielder in a 4-5-1, and now I throw my lack of match practice debate out the windae, would be Jiri Jirosik on the left hand side like he did at the san siro, with Aiden playing behind Skippy.
Willallprobablyberubbish csc
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People can come up with statistics to prove anything. 14% of people know that.
HJS
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C1st-even greater than Dan Mccafferty and Manny Charlton of Fifeshire hard rock behemoths Nazareth?
Blimey;~@!
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MNCelt :- There is nothing wrong with bluenose cows, in fact some of your players seem quite fond of them ;-)
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DBBIA
Eh, aye.
Seeing as you've taken an interest, I'll say a wee word about how the idea came into my head.
James Naughtie does a history of music thing on Radio 4 in the afternoons. Today he was talking about the 1930s, with a lot about Hindemith, who's a bit of a challenge for me.
Then we got O Fortuna by Carl Orff and thoughts, naturally, turned to the way Rangers have claimed a fine tune from a Czech composer and woven it into their Pomp and Circumstance extravaganza at the start of their matches. Poor Orff.
James MacMillan would give us something original and unforgettable. It would be played in concert halls the world over and top the classical music charts. If he can put in a wee choral bit (think Beethoven's ninth), he might even give us a new chant.
It would be pure magic.
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BigChips, I’ll wait for the paperback.
Big Wavy, sounds promising.
Dontbrattback, comment deleted, it stretched the page which makes it difficult for people with small screens and PDAs to read
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My dear friend, The Green Trumpet..
Magic is the complete striker.
Sounds like a statement made by someone who has not seen Magic, lately.
Disregarding ,the disappointing outings that Magic has endured so far this season, Magic is still,basically... in my opinion...
The Complete Striker.
He is fairly fast, has good ball control, excellent with the head, takes up excellent positions to accept the telling pass, is an excellent predator...etc.
In short, he is an ideal mate for Macko.
However.....
Magic, appears...I say appears... to be in the throes of the Mother and The FATHER...of a prolonged Slump in Form.
Whether it is of a chronic nature of no,I cannot even guess.
My experience in having more than a passing relationship, in the field of Inpirational and Motivational Speaking....
Moves me to say....
This is a field to which, the Celtic Administration should take a long and hard look.
Sports history abounds in examples of the astounding effect, that a Competent Inspirational Leader...and SPEAKER... can have on even the most Mediocre of athletic material.
To give examples of this would be redundant.
We know exactly to whom I am referring.
It strikes me, that although Gordon may have other excellent qualities, it appears to me that he is lacking in this particular requirement.
Viz: The Tommy Gee case is a fine example where there seemed to be a clash of personalities,to the detriment of all..
This type of unique Motivator,unfortunately ...comes along, only once or twice, in a lifetime...so it seems.
Maybe, next time round we can find one.
We are due one.
It has been quite a while.... Mon did seem to be one..for a while.
He certainly rejuvenated the club, when he arrived.
But time and circumstances, blunted his effect.
A pity.
On that rather depressing note...
I shall take my leave.
To spice my mood... I shall now depart to the Cabinet, where I receive most of my Inspiration.
See ye later,pal.
Kojo.
Yer pal...forever and ever.
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Big Wavy - Could well be right about Magic. I tend to forget Jiri these days, but watched the ICT game on Celtic TV and thought he looked pretty good in the middle (thought that could have been down the Charlie Grant helping him through the game!).
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Just a thought,
Jiri didn't play for the reserves today and appears to be in the squad for tomorrow!
Very experienced is my first thought.
I'll keep the others to myself for the moment.
Hail Hail
Estadio
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A London lawyer runs a stop sign and gets pulled over by a Glasgow
polis.
He thinks that he is smarter than the bobby because he is a lawyer from London and is certain that he has a better education then any Jock cop!
He decides to prove this to himself and have some fun at the Glasgow
cops expense!!
Glasgow polis says," Licence and registration, please."
London Lawyer says, "What for?"
Glasgow polis says, "You didn't come to a complete stop at the stop
sign."
London Lawyer says, "I slowed down, and no one was coming."
Glasgow polis says, "You still didn't come to a complete stop. Licence
and registration, please."
London Lawyer says, "What's the difference?"
Glasgow polis says, "The difference is, you have to come to complete
stop, that's the law. Licence and registration, please!"
London Lawyer says, "If you can show me the legal difference between slow down and stop, I'll give you my licence and registration; and you give me the ticket. If not, you let me go and don't give me the ticket."
Glasgow polis says, "Sounds fair. Exit your vehicle, sir."
The London Lawyer exits his vehicle.
The Glasgow polis takes out his trumcheon and starts beating the living daylights out of the lawyer and says,
"Do you want me to stop, or just slow down?"
Hail hail
Estadio
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'People with small screens and PDAs'=splitters.
C1st-as it's based on LVB's 9th we'd have to call it'Ode to Bhoy'
Estadio-el Gordo does love to throw the odd cunning plan into the cement mixer.I was wondering what tomorrow's was going to be-you have provided a valuable clue.
Ha s he played fullback before?
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DBBIA
I think he will take Chris K's back up place on the bench! (unless you're talking about the Glasgow polis. He'll be marking Gattuso)
hail hail
Estadio
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Kojo, I agree that the word "complete" should be used in any description of "Magic". Where we differ is on the use of the word "striker" in such close proximity. The more appropriate accompaniment ? Answers on a postcard.
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If there is one thing we just have to recognise given the defence we face tomorrow and that is that shots from distance will be paramount. We just won't be able to walk it past the Milan defence like it's Dundee United...
Now who would we trust on the long distance shooting malarkey ?
- Defence. Don't cross the half way line so no.
- Midfield. Donati but can't recall any of the others with a 30 yard screamer to their name. Naka when he is on of course but Aiden's shooting has never been of the powerful variety from distance.
- Forwards. Skippy and Magic don't spring to mind.
mmmmmmmmm.........
Ah well, we'll just have to lob it in towards their 6ft 10 in goalie :)
Mon the Hoops
Big Wavy
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ESTADIO
Rem Rela Radio correspondance...
Im not sure if you recieved my e-mail yesterday, but here is my address again anyway
brendan_omally@hotmail.co.uk
Thanks
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That is why JJ is returning!Wee Scotty Mcdonald will sit on his shoulders[JJ is 6'4]and with one tap of his napper send the ball past the marsupial giraffe in the ACM goal,into the net!
Cue Pandemonium.
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Brendan_O
Did send it. will resend now.
Hail Hail
Estadio
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File under'you couldn't make it up'
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7024124.stm
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Brenda_O
Jusr noticed that I sent it to an address at coherent.com.
will now send it to the hotmail one above.
Hail Hail
Estadio
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Andrea Pirlo is a big girls blouse.
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hoopyathome
you got mail
please pass on my best to all @ the '67...
I'll be in the directors box in spirit
tbdT
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DBBIA,
It reminds me of that old joke about John Greig going home with a broken leg....
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Where's everyone gone then?
Away to watch the neighbours getting the Foie Gras treatment?
Lucry
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Or should we be supporting them while thinking about the co-efficient?
Clury
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Nah, didn't think so.
Yrcul
and the ton!!
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Hello! (only the on "Hello" though)
Is there anyone there, or is this Marie Celeste Quick News?
Cyrlu
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ECHO!!!!!
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echo
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e c h o?
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Poop then!
Celtic 2 - 0 AC Milan
Cuyrl-no-mates
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9iar
Ucyrl
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thebhoydaveTOKYO
Read your email. Thought the only surfing you did, was on the net! You should be cuddling 'the bump' at this time, not hugging the PC.
I'll print your mail and show it to the ghuys at the game tomorrow night. The directors box isn't quite the same now.
Big hug and kiss for Mrs tbdT & the bump
hoopyathome
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Just for info
On Sky Sports 2 Richard Keys said the Celtic game tomorrow is available only through Sky Sports Extra inter-active, with no mention of Sky One, where they said at the weekend the game would be screened. Don't know if there's been a change or if it's on Sky One also.
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Thanks a lot for that information Paul;
We haven't reached the standards that MON set yet but we are improving. It would not be an improvement though if we draw 0-0 tomorrow. We NEED to score tomorrow, because our statistics against Itailian teams, the goal feast against Juventus at Celtic Park withstanding, are not pleasant reading. The great Celtic teams of the past always had difficulty breaking down Italian sides at home and we all know the history. It would be a fantastic boost to our young side if we could break down the massed Italian defence.
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Kalac, the Milan keeper. Is thatthe same guy who let a Croatian shot squirm under him during the 'Graham Poll 3 yellows' game?
Aim low.
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According to the Sky tv guide via the remote the game is on Sky one and also interactive on xtra, where the main game is Chelski.
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Kitalba, DBBIA, AWENAW, OLDTIM, WG, and anyone else I was supposed to have met on Saturday...
Extreme apologies to all as I didn't manage to make it. As DBBIA points out, I was indeed hungover, exacerbated by the fact that I've caught a bit of the flu, but that wasn't the main reason I couldn't make it.
Not having a car, I had to rely on a lift from one of the family. This was made doubly difficult by the fact that a fair few of them were either hungover or attending to other things. But the main reason was that my mother, whose retirement party we all attended the night before, needed a lift to hospital as she had fallen over at said party and 'Sprained her wrist'. Apparently she was in pain all night but didn't let on so as not to spoil anyone's fun! The staff at The KSC were brilliant and remarked that they've not seen a party like that for a long time, were everybody is just out for some good fun.
After she was taken up to the Monklands, I was able to leave very late for the game.
It wasn't until the end of the game that I got a text informing me that her wrist was fractured in two places. As you can understand, that's where my priorities were.
I also met a friend at the match who arranged for us to meet up with at the end of the game and I was going to drag him along to BB's, but I had to knock that on the head too. The old girl's fine btw, just feeling a bit fed up with herself.
DBBIA, I was wondering how you got my number until I read your post of yesterday. That drink's still on btw when I come up again in a fortnight! If you don't have my email, you'll get it from the same source.
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As regards the game on Saturday...
I'm quick enough to point out young Master McGeady's faults when he doesn't produce the goods, so I feel it's only right to confirm that on Saturday, he was great! Never stopped running at their defence and creating problems for them. But I still reckon wee Skippy grabbed the MOTM mantle. Not just for his hat-trick, but his workrate and craftsmanship were great too.
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Curly
Check out Pablo's blog for a Golfing update......
C'mon Lyon
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sdstim -
already sent to my e-mail in work so it can be sent out to share with others.
Huns 1 - 0 up - McCulloch
Cyrlu
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Lyon 0 - 1 Rangers
Lee McCulloch
Oh dear! Good goal it was too...
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0-1 in Lyon, and after a ropey opening 10 minutes, Rangers are playing quite well. Excellent goal.
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Have a bad feeling about this one already. Their central defenders look solid and midfield competing well.
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surely not, cant believe they are gonna still 3 points in France
the press will be wanting to give Wattie a knighthood tomorrow
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First good chance for Lyon. Cuellar looks a player.
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NIGHTMARE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
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Juninho hits the bar from a freekick he dived to win. I suppose it is justice (through gritted teeth).
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its got to be said, so i will say it.
THE HUNS ARE SOLID AT THE BACK.
do they have better than is in those positions.... arguable
they are better organised however that is the key.
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its got to be said, so i will say it.
THE HUNS ARE SOLID AT THE BACK.
do they have better than is in those positions.... arguable
they are better organised however that is the key.
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is = us obviously
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Interesting watching.
The gers with a 1 5 5. Clogging up the game and between that and some lazy passing by Lyon we have not much to enjoy.
Lyon looking a bit lost after the goal but the last ten minutes saw the gers losing their shape a bit (Hard to believe with ten behind the ball I know) and Grosso getting in behind Hutton a few times and Lyon getting closer and closer, ultimately rattling the bar with a juninho free kick on the whistle.
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The criticism of our ultra prudent ex chairman will heighten (rightly IMO) if 'Sir's' speculate modestly to accumulate significantly continues to pay off.
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The reason why Rangers looks solid at the back is that they don't commit many people forward especially their midfielders. Celtic could do the same and we would look tighter but in thte end it will be our attacking play that will suffer and people will moan about that afterwards.
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yes sean,
but then at least we might win some points away from home in the cl. that is what would really please the fans
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davybhoy - I think their defence is better than ours. Somebody will no doubt offer up some statistics suggesting the opposite but you won't need me to remind you of lies and damned lies. Cuellar and Weir look a pretty good partnership. Not sure what cover they have. We seem to have half a dozen or so centre halfs but hard to identify the best partnership.
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In the studio Walker & Davis going on about simulation, but dont mention Hutton trying to get a player sent off by pretending to be head butted!!!
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I am currently watching an amzing ame of football between Stuttgart nd Barca. 0-0 at ht but it could easilty have been 4-4. Both these teams will hump the huns.
Barca are playing a 2-2-1-1-4, with Messi, Ronaldinho, Henry and Deco and Iniesta doing the total football thing all over the pitch. The commentators are slavering over Messi and rightly so - the boy has everything. He and his pals are putting on a show
That said Stuttgart have breached the Barca defence on several occasions and I would be surprised if they don't score before the end.
The ref's having a cracker too.
23 secs in to the second half and a great chance for the alemans!
Laters!
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Andy Walker, to his credit, not looking or sounding too thrilled.
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0-2
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2- 0 huns.
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It is a massively better performance than ours in the Ukraine.
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mcgraininspain
huns have already beaten stuttgart.
i am afraid they are going to have 6 points after two games in about 35 mins time
SOLID AT THE BACK
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3-0 huns
is that coffee i smell?
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davybhoy @ 20:46
Not wrong. I was in Barcelona when we got our only Champions League away point and although Celtic barely got into the penalty box, Henri Camara's cross from the touchline looking for a player when there was none within 50 yards of the goal was particularly memorable, it was still a great evening, just getting a point was brilliant.
Cousin has been brilliant all game, fabulous finish! 2-0 Rangers! Eek!!
Now 3-0! Eeeek!!!
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I've never seen an easier goal scored at CL level. Have Lyon done a Morton and bet everything on a Rangers win?
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Somebody better get round edward's hoose with the smelling salts.
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what odds for the sacking of a French league coach before the end of the week ? At this rate, Perrin will be gone before the end of the night. Lyon have huffed and puffed all night. Rankers adopting the Scottish policy of 11 men behind the ball and attack on the break. And you know what ? It's worked !!
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agree lyon are rank, but lets not kid ourselves. this eclipses any celtic away performance in the cl by the proverbial street
pains me to say it but it is how it is
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Barca 1 up on Stuttgart - Puyol. Rangers already lookig a good bet for last 16 (6-6-0-0)
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Congratulations to Rangers on being on the verge of a very impressive result.It is at least good for Scottish football and hopefully we can take inspiration from it for tomorrow.
I wouldn't say we've not been getting points because we haven't had 10 men behind the ball. Stupid early goals have been the thing that has cost us the most over the years. Away from home I feel if we survive the first fifteen minutes then I have hope we can do something but never seem to last that long. Inexperience I would say would be responsible for a lot of the errors. The players are gaining experience though and improvements were definitely visible in the Spartak match. The Shaktar match was a nightmare but I predict a good performance in Benfica.
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Tonight is confirmation that DM's summer gamble has paid off. 6 points out of 6 in CL, jeez they're more than half way there to qualification after 2 games.
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This year the SPL could boil down to 4 old firm games. How in Gods name have Celtic allowed this to happen.
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Write this down. 6 points from 2 games.... no more.
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Wishes can come true.......
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sean,
disagree.
this is about organisation.
the cardigan didnt have it in their initial flirtation with the cl.
he appears to have found it
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After the stick I got last month for simply warning that Smith had built a good Rangers side I take absolutely no pleasure in saying I told you so.
Rangers have bought well, Smith has organised their defence superbly and pulled off a magnificent away CL win that leaves me feeling sick.
So many on CQN said Rangers would be lucky to get a CL point- they now have six and the smart money is now on them qualifying for the last sixteen.
Meanwhile, we have zero points and need a massive result tomorrow against Milan to stand any chance of matching Rangers points total.
I think after watching Milan on Sunday we will give them good game but the extent of Rangers win tonight is depressing- even in my worst nightmares I thought a draw was their maximum in Lyon.
Those who have mocked Rangers this season and shot the messenger who told you they had improved dramatically will no doubt respond in their usual way.
But this display was no fluke Rangers have a a manager who has shown he has learned in the Champions League.
Can Gordon Strachan do the same? I will watch with interest and the odd prayer.
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malceye - absolutely. If they win the league and qualify automatically for next year's group stages, the 'vain fool' will be totally vindicated, and Quinn will be the 'prudent fool', particularly if we lose our qualifier.
Our CEO was quoted in the Sunday Times as saying that he believes Platini's proposal regarding cup winners is likely to happen which will be bad news for the club finishing 2nd in the league. It is no longer a case of merely GOD being under threat, but now it could actually turn around completely.
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How nice of our biggest rivals to help our co-efficient for next year. Rankers results in Europe have no other relevance to us!
They won't win the CL, and at most will play 2 more games in the competition so it won't affect them domestically.
We have to aim for 3 in a row and automatic qualification next year.
Bring on Milan!!
My Ever Changing Moods - The Style Council
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Bhoy_Molloy
"This year the SPL COULD boil down to 4 old firm games."
operative word being COULD! making it hypothehical.
You then ask, in Gods name, how Celtic have allowed this to happen!
Celtic have absolutly no control over hypothetical situations, your illogical question seems like panic at a ranger away win in europe.
Dont be worried by how rangers do in europe, it wont change the destination of this years SPL.
3 in a row! Hail Hail.
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Bhoy Molloy, this season “could boil down to the four OF (my abbreviation) games”, but as Rangers have taken 1 point from their last six away from home in the SPL, it seems likely that the other teams “could” continue to have a considerable say in the matter.
“How in Gods name have Celtic allowed this to happen”. Not sure about this one, are Celtic suppose to prohibit everything which “could” happen by the time they have played 8 games?
Rangers are having an excellent night, one which might see them match the European achievements of Alex McLeish team two years ago, but it would be wrong to think that this achievement would spell disaster for Celtic.
It did not then and it will not now (feel free to slip 'might' or 'could' or 'maybe' into this last phrase to see how it changes things.
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Declan, :-)
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Let's not get carried away. I'm as guilty as anyone. Lyon are appalling although I appreciate that the 3 goals have take the wind from their sails. These Euro challengers were fortunate to collect a point at Fir Park on Saturday. This makes Rankers no more likely to win the CL than it does Scotland to collect the Euro 2008 trophy.
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Evenin all.
I knew Lyon weren't as good as they had been in the past, but this performance is worse than ours was in the Ukraine. We think our central defenders are bad.
Rangers - three attempts on goal - three goals.
Did Lyon not watch as Hearts and Motherwell ran at the Rangers defence and got results. Quite frankly, they are impotent. Long range, wayward shooting.That has been their sum total.
I honestly don' think I've ever seen a team capitulate so easily at home in the CL.
Rangers did not have to work for any of their goals.
They are now almost certain to qualify. They can only blow it.
But for all those now taking their obligatory pot-shots at the Celtic board,get a grip. Exactly what could the Celtic board have done to influence this result?
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I'm counting Lyon's strikes against the woodwork as goals so they win.
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WizardofOz
It's obvious man - we should have spent loads of money and then Rangers would have got really, really scared and lost to everybody - wouldn't they?
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Lyon hit the woodwork for the 3rd time.
You're right Paul that it's early doors, but fans like me who believe our rivals have been allowed to close/remove/reverse the gap by a ridiculously over prudent 5 year strategy have their arguement strengthened week by week. I am almost certain the
league will be very close this season, and we all have the scars from 2003 and 2005. With a better defence that we could clearly have afforded, I would feel so much more confident.
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Hi Paul,
Over in Florida just now & logged in fully expecting to find a 3-0 scoreline in tonight's match - I'm hoping against hope that this computer is following American custom by putting the away team first!
Anyway, no matter - looking forward to watching tomorrow's match in the Lucky Leprechaun in Orlando. Found myself in a similar situation last year when we watched the home Benfica match in the Parlour in Manhattan so here's hoping for a repeat. Tell Martin & Kevin to give the Bhoys a cheer for me.
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With our financial muscle we should be out of sight and not in the slighest bit worried about playing them, or is that just me??
As you can see from the league table both Celtic and Rangers are dropping points in equal measures. If that keeps up then it will be down to the head to heads.
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has wee Chicj fainted yet?
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I only expected posts from Edward and the other gr8 true blue on CQN, Sean South.
Sorry Sean but you didn't disappoint with 7 positive mentions for the gers in 8 paragraphs thats some going on a Celtic site.
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The panic here tonight is quite something!
No-one else remember the last time rangers won their first two champions league games? A 5-0 win over Sturm Graz then a surprise win over Monaco in France pretty much put their name on the trophy....right? right?
Well no, they went on to finish below a certain sturm graz as well as conceding a treble of trophies to their city rivals just beggining domination that could prove to last....a generation? ;)
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Rangers will play like this against us at Ibrox.
It's a tactic that works as long as you don't concede the first goal.
FT 0-3
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There is quite a large risk with playing so defensively though. You get pinned in your own box and you run the risk of your opponents getting a lot of shots. They might not get room in the box to shoot but players in the champions league are more than capable from scoring from around the box and you're likely to give away free kicks. Lyon have have hit the woodwork today a few times. Defenders in Europe usually cope against one striker with ease. Obviously tonight Rangers have done fantastic but on another night it could go completely the other way. I just think all the best teams try to play football and take the game to their opponents.
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OK guys.
Whom out of the eleven Rangers players currently playing inside your TV right now set would you have in place of which Celtic player?
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excellent performance by rangers tonight.
solid at the back. packed the midfield. sat in tight for the first 20.
this was absolutely crucial.
they will play exactly the same way against us at ibrox.
it's hard to say but we need to learn to play like this away from home.
Although how should we approach playing the champions of europe tomorrow night?
Emjay
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Tonights facts.
Rangers are very well organised at the back.
They are good at home.
They ride their luck.
At the top of our game, we are better, but we'll need to be to win the league this season.
Looks like they'll now qualify, but so what...I thought Celtic were our team and its what we do that matters.
On a night like tonight, you just get a perspective and say, through gritted teeth, enjoy yer'sel Edward.
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WizardofOz and hamptontim - fair point well made.
My main concern is the SPL. I have deep scars from 2003 and 2005, and see a very good Rangers side that we will do very well to beat.
I would also be pained if we get shown up in Europe (as we were in Ukraine) while they get all the kudos, which to be fair they deserve as things stand.
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Its getting embarrassing. Stuttgart worse German champions ever, Lyon worse French champions ever.
The fact is, a fairly poor team on paper assembled by Wally and Sally have shown good tactical awareness in Europe and are producing the goods.
We may have better players but I am not a fan of Strachans tactics. Game on this season for sure and it should never have got to this. A bit of spend could well have kept the wolf from the door.
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BryceCurdy/SeanSouth
Da Chicken li'les o' da CQN,who aye are ready tae wi' deride da Board, wit their venomous Pen,
Tae get der digs richt in, at da Celtic Board,dat dey love tae hate,
Dey are airm an' airm, wit the Yellow Journalists
who da Celtic Hate!
Well, der friends in da Rags wull be verra well please wit' dem,
Fur dese two guys,are daein a bang-up joab fur dem!
Nae maitter how dese two guys deny it...dey ur sinnin'!
Fur They are actually HAPPY,
Dat da G.A. are Winnin'!
Fur dey keep remindin' us dey made de claim,
Dat da G.A. wur a guid team,and wid gang oan tae fame!
Ah personally dinna give a whit,
aboot wit da G.A. dae or don't!
Ma TEAM IS DA CELTIC....
TAE SUPPORT DEM IS WHIT AH DAE!
Ah widna even gie da G.A. da time o' day!
collie.
Tail's Awaggin', Awaggin'
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hutton
cuellar
mcculloch
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Me thinks that torn faced Billy Davies is taking heart that his Derby plodders can follow the lead of the southside plodders in France. My ONLY concern about tonight is that the knee-jerk, "ants in their pants" fans who attend tomorrow night will be boo-ing if we're not 2 goals up after 20 minutes. Patience is essential tomorrow.
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declan 21:21
Thats far too positive for a long term mineshafter like me :)
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I am, and I'm sure I speak for most, sick at the poor performance of Lyon tonight. Rankers got their tactics spot on, but how lucky do you need to be to get 2 league champions from the top flight European leagues to be at their lowest ebb.It'll never happen for us.
2 lessons learned tonight. Lets bin this G.O.D pap. It wont happen.
Lets spend on mediocre squad players. Just for the sake of competition, rotation and injuries. Rankers proved tonight that spending £10m on mediocrity, albeit just for cover can work. No Darchville, bring on Cousin to score a fine goal while being guarded by 2 defenders.
It sickens me that for the sake of a couple of million we could have had our defenders fighting for their places. As it stands, they can have a poor game and still have no fear of being dropped cos there's no one else to take their place. When all is said and done, competition for places makes mediocre players play 10 times better
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Great result for Rangers, but not entirely convinced that it's a great performance.
Lyon were apalling yet still struck the woodwork three times and made McGregor work.
Let's not get too carried away here. Celtic are still the better side.
Richie.... not a one.
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Bryce, with better player, at the right price, sure, we would have had a better team. I don’t know why we stopped at McDonald, Brown, Donate et al, but this really has nothing to do with Rangers tonight.
Dick Byrne, enjoy your holiday, I’ll pass on your regards.
Stephen85, I forgot about that!
Richie, none.
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Bhoy_Malloy
I would disagree and say our defenders players at the back are on a par with Rangers dodgy defenders in Cuellar, Weir and Papac.
They got a crap defence and so have we. Should make for an interesting Old Firm game on the 20th. What i would say is that i think Rangers are more dangerous at set pieces than us in the air.
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Some of our board apologists and GOD propagandists seem to think we could have done nothing about the swing in the balance of power in Glasgow this season..
Are they really so out of touch with what happened this summer?
Celtic SHOULD have strengthened their own position in both the SPL and the Champions League by improving a dreadful defence and buying a quality striker with the money that they clearly have at their disposal.
Rangers have improved beyond all recognition by matching Celtic in the SPL so far and by making a better start in the CL because they DID spend the money needed to improve their side.
They showed their ambition, once again Desmond, Quinn and co showed they were quite content to sit on their laurels.
It gives me no pleasure to say it but they produced a quite superb CL away performance that we can only dream of.
Our board as I said repeatedly last month are simply happy to make the CL group stages, play safe financially and continue the mistaken policies- supported by many influential posters on CQN it must be said- that have ensured we didn't pull away from Rangers when we clearly had the advantage.
Of course, we couldn't have prevented Rangers beating Stuttgart or Lyon, but on the back of two SPL titles and a last 16 in the CL our board should surely have provided the resources to provide the quality defenders that even some of the CQN apologists now belatedly admit we desperately need.
I have consistently warned that this turnaround was on the horizon if we skimped on quality, but all we get from the happy-clapping clique is that Rangers are skint, Celtic must be prudent and, it doesn't really matter, because we are on unstoppable GOD!
Wake up Celtic fans, our board have once again proved that they don't know how to put this Govan lot away once and for all.
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Bryce,
Did you get the mail I sent you this morning?
Cheers,
Martin
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Ahem, excuse me !
Can we stop this, "if we spent enough money, we woud have been out of sight" theory. Yes, I think we should have improved certain defensive positions, but hey, is it not Lyon/Stuttgart who should be complaining about lack of spending or the quality of that spending ?! People should be focusing their complaints upon the public money being shovelled down the drain into an inquest currently taking place in London.
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Davybhoy 20.53 - You don't say! I'll be placing a tidy wee sum on Stuttgart beating rangers in the return leg and Barca will destroy them. Trust me on that one.
Rangers have done fantastically well thus far. No denying. But it has no relevance whatsoever to us other than enhancing the coefficient thingy.
Stop fretting about them. How on earth can it be that when our rivals put in a good display 1000 miles from Glasgow. our defence. our team. our manager get it in the neck from CQN posters? On the eve of us taking on Milan? C'mon lhads.
C'mon The Hoops. 1-0 the morra night.
PS Gudjonnsen looked v. unhappy on the bench and Stuttgart played YNWA on the PA at the end.
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Edward Ursus
What on earth can I say? Hoped as always you'd receive a sound whipping but it was not to be so I must offer the heartiest congratulations.
What does this say about the much maligned SPL? Dear oh dear the French must be in sporting despair. Will make my return to Brittany in 2 weeks all the sweeter.
Now can we emulate you and do the business tomorrow?
Tried to post before but clearly the CQN gremlins are as shocked as I am.
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This upstes to say this , but i thought that the darnel were exremely good tonight
all of us (save for edward ) will be disappointed those who say they are not are kidding themselves on
darnel are a strong , physical team , who have a few players capable of match winning performances
i don`t think they would have capitulated in the Ukraine in the weak manner we did
this is going to be a hard season and results like tonights don`t help .a real confidence boost
anyway , lets hope they`re all knackered ...mon the hibbees on saturday
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Paul67,
Why we never sored up the defence and added more personnel still mystifies me to this day.
On reflection i can only assume the following.
1. We couldn't get the player for the money we offered. WGS decided then to keep the money and maybe try again for them in January or go for other targets.
2. Board wouldn't go that wee bit extra for him to get the targets.
3. WGS informed has informed that this would be his last season and Celtic knowing this have decided to keep the cash for a new coach.
Whatever, the reason i think it has and will impact in our season in Europe. Hopefully not in the SPL.
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Oh bye the way i have a sneaky feeling we will get a win tomorrow. CP at it's best tomorrow to roar us on to victory.
McDonald and Donati to score
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Sean South
Couldn't agree more.
I am not and never will be a mineshafter, but
If we had bought, just for talkings sake, even Ian Harte, whether he ever got a game or not, Lee Naylor would be looking over his shoulder. His sub concious alone would make him play better. As it stands, with NO competition, how is he, just for 1, going to improve. We should have spent some money. Its working for Rankers
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Totally scunnered by tonight's result. For all Rangers rode their luck, you have to say Smith has gotten his tactics absolutely bang on in the CL.
Whereas we saunter out all guns blazing and find ourselves 2-0 down after 10 minutes, they simply shut up shop and play ugly. When the first went in, I knew they would win.
It will take a collapse of BigEck style proportions for them not to qualify from this position.
The league WILL be tighter this season, as I and many predicted. However I remain confident we will win it simply because Rangers cannot play that way in the SPL. Bizarrely the tactics that work against Lyon (and which suit their players) would not work against Motherwell.
I'd urge everyone to keep the heid tonight, and not to read the papers tomorrow...
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31003
and if we had purchased Ian Harte, what exactly ?!! As a self-confessed mineshafter, this sort of chat is rapidly transforming me into a clapper of the happy variety !!
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Oh how we laughed when Rankers signed those duds in the summer. Who were they again, oh, thats right, Cousin, McCulloch & Beasley By the way, who scored for the huns tonight?
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After seeing the way some games have gone recently I would go 4-5-1 tomorrow.
I would play McDonald up front on his own.
I know were are not Milan,Liverpool,Chelsea or Man Utd but they have all played one up with support from midfield.
First make ourselves hard to beat.
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I have to agree with Richie. There is not one, not even one, Rangers player I would have before possibly 13 or 14 of ours.
Our problem is that we are beaten before we even get on the plane for away CL games. I would have a sports psycologist in for a few sessions before we go to Benfica. Can't do any harm as we must have the worst away record of any team in Europe.
The way Rangers played football tonight would get the game stopped. It is an appalling spectacle and is anti-football, but the result is all that matters at the end of the day.
I have to say also that Lyon are as poor a side that I have ever seen in the Champions League. They were awful. Far too much of their play ended when their 'superstar' Juninho got the ball as all he done was shoot from wherever he was, with Baros not far behind. I will be amazed if their manager is not sacked before the end of the week. I was amazed at how poor they were.
I forgot to mention, but will there be an outcry tomorrow about Alan Huttons shameful attempt to get a Lyon player sent off early in the match? Mikolunias got hounded immediately but whats the betting the 'son of Cafu' offence will go unmentoned?
Enjoy the match tomorrow whoever is going. My enthusiasm for going to see RUSH tomorrow at the SECC is waning the closer it gets to the match, but I've gave my ticket to my wee bhoy so can't disappoint him now!
1-0 Celtic, McGeady to score! Mon The Hoops!
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Great result it was for Rangers tonight, certainly got their tactics spot on and I truly wish we'd come up against some defending like that and take advantage of it.
The reaction from some on here is frankly bizarre. Since the fixture prior to the first Champions League game, Rangers have taken 4 points from a possible 9, we've taken 6 from same.
Yet there's exclamations of 'how could Celtic allow this turnaround to happen'? What freakin turnaround? A turnaround is when things change, not stay the same.
At this very moment, we're top of the league thus the best team in the country. Rangers are 2nd, thus 2nd best. Walter Smith is a far superior manager to Paul Leguen and is proving to be effective, his questionable selection policy and failure to sign a full back with a brain cost him 3 points at Tynecastle. They secured a draw at Fir Park thanks to an American cheat who should be treated the same as Salious Mikolunis.
The league will be closer, it was always going to be but results in Lyon will have no impact on it. Results in Motherwill will - and they failed there.
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Here's a thought.
Say on the last day of the transfer window just passed, Celtic had bid for and got one of the two Lyon central defenders for, I don't know....£3.5m.
This blog would have been full of the net spenders saying "About time too".
SPENDING GUARANTEES NOTHING!
It is all about a players mental attitude. If he believes in himself, he will play better.
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malceye
ONE WORD, COMPETITION
If theres no one else to take your place you can play stinker after stinker and still get a game.
This is not just about the left back position, but several.
YOU MUST HAVE COVER FOR INJURIES, COMPETITION & BANS. It surely must make sense even to you
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There was something on the feeshul site recently about relocating to the singing section, has anyone got the details of that?
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Collie - I will continue to tolerate your self-indulgent gibberish because I am a tolerant person, but I draw the line at being accused of feeling HAPPY at my club's abject failure to capitalise on a position of huge strength.
Paul - 'McDonald, Brown, Donate et al' - correct me if I'm wrong, but 'et al' is Chris Killen and Chris Killen only. Even you seemed a little tongue tied at the complete absence of buying at the end of the transfer window.
Martin42 - got it. Really enjoyed our chat. Speak to you soon. Too busy bickering with your son at the moment!
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I really wish some of you guys read Wenger's interview in last Sunday's Observer.
What he basically said was that you grow a team, not buy one. You create a culture within the club where the core of the team come through together.He reckons it is folly to go out every season and spend money on players, thereby rebuilding every season.
He obviously expressed it better than that, but I recognised similarities in what Celtic are attempting at the club.
We have a number of our own young players coming through, e.g., Mc Manus, Kennedy, Mc.Geady and have brought in lads like Sno, Teddy and the young Romanian boy.
Not forgetting the other lads who will soon be knocking on the door: Cuthbert, Grant, Ferry, O' Brian etc.
There is always room to top up with experience, i.e, Jan, Maciej and the like, but the way we are going is with those young players.
My advice is ,forget about the CL this year and concentrate on the league. Don't worry about Murray's Massive gamble which may bring him short lived success. He will have to keep going back to the well to replace his geriatrics.
No one should be surprised at them taking something out of tonight's game.
Even a good Lyon team ,which we met ,hadn't much bottle and French football is all about pretty patterns and no heart. Hammer throwers will always unsettle them.
Like the Stuttgart team that we defeated back then, Lyon have got rid of their top players and what remains are over the hill, like Juninho.
So, despair not. Have patience and within two years, we will really be riding high in Europe, whilst Walt will be trying to cobble together another bunch of stalwarts.
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How come we become a poorer team without kicking a ball? It's as bad as the Bobo Balde situation - a man who has suddenly become a better player without kicking a ball!!
I'm as sick as anyone that Rankers ever win a game but as I said earlier it has no relevance to us.
A positive for Rankers is not always a negative for us.
So Lonely - The Police
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Well, well, well!!
Not posted for a while, but don't get too excited, everyone!
That is a sensational result for the rainjurs the nicht!! I don't buy this "Lyon are mince" stuff, because if we won thewre tonight, we would be extatic.
I hope I am wrong, but I cannot see anything but impending doom for us, because our defence is not up to the job.
I stopped posting because of the negativity, but t' 'shafters have a valid point regarding the lack of money spent on the defence.
I think this will come back too haunt us as the season unfolds, thogh as I said earlier, I hope I am wrong.
Back to lurkin' for me
KERRANG CSC - ROCK ON - PLAY IT LOUD - HEAVEN AND HELL
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Celtic 3 Milan 1
Benfica 1 Shakhtar Donetsk 0
Celtic go 2nd top on Alphabetical order.
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I think a few people need to calm down! It was a great result for them, their tactics were right and they have undoubtedly drawn a team on the slide. Sometimes that happens...
What worries me is the negativity that we all feel will be carried into tomorrow night.
The team need us behind them tomorrow.
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Ni
The point is
We have not become a worse team, but Rankers showed tonight that with a bit of cash and inventiveness you can win away from home in Europe
We are brainwashed into believing that no amount of money can win you games away from home in Europe, and thats the way it is. Rankers bucked that trend tonight with a bit of wheeling and dealing. Just check out who scored for them. The statistics do not lie
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My this management lark is easy. Win and you're a tactical genius. It's amazing that, with all the wins he has achieved, Mr. Strachan is not yet a tactical genius.
Now, how about both Celtic and rangers qualifying for the last 16? There would be 2 positive effects:-
1) Our co-efficient would improve somewhat to compensate the impending loss of Seville points.
2) There would be an easy team to be drawn against in the last 16.
There are some nervous nellies in our support.
Congratulations Edward.
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Kevtic: Cheap shot that I predicted. Same old CQN insults for those who voice their own opinions- no matter how unpopular with the GOD clique- and are actually proved right about Rangers improvement as Celtic sadly stand still.
To call me a True Blue shows the mentality of those on here who like to toe the party line, keep control of the agenda and preach that Rangers are no danger to us because they are skint.
I will be cheering Celtic tomorrow with every fibre in my body, but I will still know that our fans have been let down by our lack of ambition this summer.
And I am enough of a football fan to know that Rangers played exceptionally well tonight and, even though it may annoy you and your kind, I give credit where credit is due.
To know the standards to which we must aspire we must be aware of what our opponents are capable of .
Pretending that Rangers are hopeless and ignoring their improvement is exactly why another culpable Celtic board let them equal our 9-in-a-row.
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WGS
Wan o' da Reasons ye gave wiz da Reason,
It is wan o' yer three,
But if ye dinna know which wan, den here is da answer... fur free
It is no number TWA,fur da Board wid go da extra Mile,
Dinna ye remember Mr.Quinn, said dat....Ah ask wi' a smile?
Number Three is so far oot dat it should be ignored!
But, at least it has naethin' tae dae wi' da BOARD!
Dae ye no know dat awe Ridiculous Rumors.....
And dis is such wan...
Are awe started by Stumers?
Ah dinna include ye, ah hasten tae say...
Fur ye are only repeatin' sumtin' dat you heard dem say!
Den it must be da Wan dat is left oan da list..
It represents Da TRUE REASON...
oan dat ah INSIST!
collie.
Tail's Awaggin', Awaggin'
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BTW,
Sporting Lisbon won away for the first time in 10 attempts in the CL tonight.
As Mel Brooks' King Louis XVI might have said:-
"It's good to wear the hoops."
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ITS AS SIMPLE AS THIS. BY SPENDING SOME MONEY, WE MAY NOT HAVE IMPROVED THE TEAM, BUT WE WOULD HAVE CERTAINLY IMPROVED COMPETITION WITHIN THE TEAM, THUS, MAKING THE PRESENT INCUMBENTS TRY HARDER, THUS IN ALL PROBABILITY, MAKING THEM PLAY BETTER> WHATS NOT TO UNDERSTAND?
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31003,
have you just discovered how to use bold type on the computer? What do you mean "to YOU?" (see that? I've used c-a-p-i-t-s-l-s). Yes, Naylor has had his fair share of stinkers. However, Ian Harte ? 2 stinkers do not maketh a defence.
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The 'prudent fool's' strategy will come back to haunt us all.
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goodness, you've found the caps lock button all by yourself.
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If our new summer signings all score, we could beat Milan by a 4:0 (Brown, Donati, Skippy and Killen).
Call me a sentimentalist but I'd like to see some of our 2nd and 3rd season players score too.
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31003
We spent more cash when MON was manager and still couldn't win away from home.
It takes more than cash. Luck and opportunity come into it also, both of which we have lacked in abundance over the years.
There are relatively few teams with a good away record in the CL , Sporting Lisbon won their first in nine attempts tonight.
Our turn will come.
Being Boiled - Human League
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What did we learn about Celtic tonight? Absolutely nothing. From some of the posts I thought we had played tonight and lost heavily.
OK Rangers won tonight with defensive tactics but they also lost heavily at Hearts and were played off the park for long periods against Motherwell. And let's see how they do against Barce.
Tomorrow night is a very difficult game, let's not forget we are playing the reigning European champions. A point would be a good result and then all eyes on Lisbon. Think we got a result there once before....
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Sean South 22.00 - "Wake up Celtic fans, our board have once again proved that they don't know how to put this Govan lot away once and for all."
Gies peace - we haven't even played them yet, think Hearts have though. And Motherwell.
And if we run away with it again this season - who ya gonna blame?
Credit to Edwards lot tonight though, luckily I didn't watch it so could be worse. :)
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I dont see what the panic is about. You would think that rangers had just beat the same Lyon side we played 3 years ago. They didnt, this is a shadow of the team we played. 1 worry for me: Walter Smith can organise a defence far better than Gordon Strachan, to annul that worry: Gordon Strachan finally has a team that are better at attacking football than Walter Smiths
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malceye
honest question
Are you 14?
Ni
I'm making the point about competition within the team. We obviously do not have the resources to challenge Messrs Naylor or Wilson, otherwise they would not be in the team week in week out. So, lets spend £5,000.00 on 2 wing backs from the junior leagues. Some competition is better than none at all. Rankers proved it tonight. Darchville injured, bring on the back up. With point to prove he scores probably the best goal of the night, bearing in mind, back to goal, and still had to beat 2 defenders and the goalie
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Open question, anyone can have a bash, in capitals or otherwise.
Last year Celtic went out and spent money on an alleged Holywood signing in Thomas Gravesen from Real Madrid and also on Jiri Jarosik. How exactly did they improve competition and who played better because of their arrival?
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paul
"..with better player, at the right price, sure, we would have had a better team. I don’t know why we stopped at McDonald, Brown, Donate et al..."
1. enough of this better player nonsense. if its true our scouts couldnt find someone in
europe at full back better than wilson or naylor for a fee we could easily afford. thats somewhere in the £5m bracket for 2 players then.
if thats the case, sack them. they are not doing their jobs well enough.
2. next time you have a chance to bend an ear, could you please
ask, just for my sanity. ;-)
dont worry troops, we'll still win the league, no problemo.
this weekend will see us start to pull away.
i fancy a wee bit of jammy hun luck 2moro night with meeeelan hitting woodwork 3 times and us winning 2-0. ding-dang-doo.
one thing ive noticed about this rangers side...they intimidate sides in the CL. could we do this?
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Here is the link to the Wenger interview.
Please read and be informed and comforted.
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/sport/story/0,,2180378,00.html
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Sean South
Rangers have improved while Celtic have stood still.
League Statistics say both have improved and they also say that we have a far better goal difference than last year - so how does that equate with standing still.
I give you that Rangers have spent what little money they have well. But can I ask you one thing - do you think that we would have been beated by the stutgart, the *red star* and the lyon that rangers have had the good fortune to play?
Tell my I know nothing about football when I say that Moscow and Shaktar would completely wipe the floor with rangers opposition so far.
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Sean/3003 or whatevertheeffyournameis/and the rest of the "Mariana Shafters" from hence known as MSs (work it out!) - the Rankers had a great result, they had 3 shots on goal and 3 goals - Scotland like - but still a great result, don't let anyone take it away from them - well done Ed - Jealous - I spent my time in Lyon freezing my whatzits off, being beaten in the last minute by Bobo and then almost being ripped off by Celtic fans - aye "whaes like us"??!!
Celtic will use this result as a spur and its crucial that we do too - no complaicancy, full backing FROM THE START (get oot the boozer) and we will be right back in the mix - forget them - focus on Celtic
DavieL
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31003
are you as naieve as you appear to be by your typed words ? In a "slag-off", there can only be one winner.
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Tess(t)er
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Paul, i belive that tonight will hav no bearing on what will happen tommorrow and people should not get caught in the trap that we should have a similar result tomorrow.
AC Milan are the Champions of Europe and to be honest if we get anything it will be fantastic. The Home games against Shaktar and Benfica will be key, but I think we have got to get a win in Eurpoe and for WGS we must get that in Portugal.
P.S. Did Rankers not win away at the beginning of the season?
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31003
You're not seriously suggesting that buying 2 full backs from Albion Rovers will make LN and MW better players?
Yes - McAlmont and Butler
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Sorry I thought I had signed onto facist facist tonight.
I dont know or really care how they played tonight but why when they win a lot of people come out and criticise our board/management?
If we beat the current best team in Europe tomorrow night will they be the best board/management team in Europe. As someone said earlier the stats dont lie (I think they were using for other reasons)so we should be looking for a draw at least tomorrow night.
All we need is Steward47 or some username like that to come back on.
Let me refresh your memory we are top of the league, we are champions, we got to the last 16 last year, the team we are playing tomorrow night could not score against us in 180 minutes (we got 2 definate penalties turned down in the san siro) and they then went on to win the thing.
Our back 4 that night had the much criticised Paul Telfer and a young unproven Darren O'Dea.
Please have faith in what we are doing and trying to achieve.
This board/management team have delivered a lot, take a step back and look at the big picture.
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tos(s)ers
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This is exactly how they will play us. Walter will be on Gordons ego going with an attacking formation at ibrox. he will play hemdani, he might even play tough man charlie adams knowing the referees will let them away with murder. they will play on the counter - the way walter shafted tommy burns all those years ago thanks to falsely called cadette offsides and nieve fullbacks cavaleiring forward for Celtic. GS must be aware of this. They are not a good team, they just have a manager who knows how to play to his teams strenghts in games where they could be under pressure.
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"In the land of the blind the one eyed man is king"
I have seen comments on this site saying how poor wilson is, then 1 week later, the same poster saying that naylor should be dropped and wilson put in his place
CHEESUZ KRIEST
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Right - off to ma scratcher - Paul sorry for not posting for ages but as ever when things go "wrong" for Celtic the tematzepan club come out and I feel the need to defend the Bhoys! As a good friend of mine used to say "gie them a sugar lump" they wouldnae know the difference.
The most important thing tomorrow is that WE are up for it and back the team through and through - Hail ! Hail ! DavieL
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NI
Apparently Ian Harte is the answer to the woes of the defence. To be fair to 31003(if I must), if I understand his reasoning correctly, his basic point is that Naylor would not be able to rest on his laurels as there been someone knocking on the first team door. A fair and reasonable stance albeit ineffectively communicated. But Ian Harte ? I'd take Bowie and Crosby first !
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malceye
slag off or not are you 14?
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malceye
can I help it if you don't understand the Queens english?
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malceye
are you now speaking in the third person singular?
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31003
presumably you ask my age because you wish a similarly aged fellow with who you can swap Panini stickers ?
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tom the tim @ 22:21 : well said, but it's difficult to look at the long-term picture while your main rivals threaten your short-term prospects. By that, I mean we need to win this years title as it guarantees CL qualification, but I'll be gutted if we end up bottom of our CL group.
I could be churlish and say that Stuttgart and Lyon have been hugely disappointing sides, but if we had just thumped the French champs after beating the German equivalents then we would be jumping through hoops.
So, congrats to our very own Ted.
In saying that, how many more points will they take from the group? Anything from the Barca double-header? Stuttgart on their own patch? Maybe the last game at Ipox against a Lyon side with a new manager and a point to prove!
Don't doubt the fact that tonight's result puts more pressure on us to get a result against Milan. The media will be intolerable tomorrow, but WGS needs to be his own man and put out the team that he thinks will deliver. A draw wouldn't be a disaster, but I'm hoping for the 3 points.
TTTTkeepthefaithCSC
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malceye
what in darnation are pannini stickers?
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Bryce, you, me the manager and the chairman would all have liked extra players, I have no doubt about that. Does this mean Rangers got it right and we got it wrong? Tune-in in May to find out.
Ni, ‘So Lonely’, the live version. Hmmm.
Dwyoun, agree.
Rev Davie, maybe.
Ciao DavieL.
Paul67, aged 14.
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Paul67
What made me think you were 67?
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MMMMMMMMMMMMMMM (aka - well you know who), got it!! Malceye - I'd take Stills and Nash too!!
Mon The Hoops - get there early - (christ I sound like Tiger Tim) - and make the noise - cause thats the difference - our defence is OK but with US BEHIND them they can do this = Wee Skippy to score Celtic 2-0 - check blue square and plunder!!
DavieL
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taggsybhoy & tinytim...
Re those Dunfermline and East Fife games from the early 70's.
The Dunfermline game was indeed a Scottish Cup tie at Celtic Park in 1971.
The match was drawn 1-1 and Joe McBride equalised for Dunfermline just after half-time.
We won the replay on the Wednesday 1-0 and Harry Hood scored the winner.
It was the fifth time in seven years that we had met Dunfermline in the Cup.
Tinytim, if Evan Williams was in goal that day at Bayview, it must have been the day when we won the League, 7 in a row in fact.
In the other games that Estadio mentioned Ally Hunter and Denis Connachan played in goal.
In one of those games, a 2-2 draw in the League in 72/73 season, we actually missed 3 penalties.
One had to be re-taken and we missed that too!
Very good result for Rangers this evening.
Smith knows how to set his stall out in these matches. Tactics he no doubt learned from his years at Tannadice under Jim McLean.
I can't agree with those of us though that predict doom and gloom at Celtic Park because of their result.
The result in Lyon changes nothing as far as the Championship is concerned.
It was always going to be tough to retain the title. It always is.
The head to head games may very well prove to be decisive.
After watching them tonight we may have a better chance of coming out on top at Ibrox where they will surely be much more adventurous than they would be at Celtic Park.
Anyway, good luck to the Celts tomorrow.
A victory over the European Champions will surely blow Rangers off the back pages...won't it?
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"PaNNini"? Come on, you teaser. You know, those doublers of Ian Harte that you have stuck onto your bedroom door.
Did I forget to mention that in the "slag-off" you are not the winner ?
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Paul since your on quick question when did the blog start?
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malceye
sorry you've lost me. Is this something you collect?
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:-) :-) :-)
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ED take this in the way its intended GIRUY!!!!
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malceye
Gotcha
yes 2 of ian harte.
1 on left side of door and 1 on right. My sisters still never managed to get through the door since I stuck them up 20 years ago. Do you still get a stick of bubble gum with them?
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31003
come out of the closet ! Tell you what, if you combine your Ian Harte doublers with your treasured Maurice Ross sticker, you might just unearth the solution to the full back problem.
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Great to see the Happy Clappers getting stuck in. I'm fed up listening to the doom and gloom merchants. It's only right and fitting to give credit to TFOD for a great performance in France. It's up to us to go out and show what we've got in the remaining games. I'm actually happy that those down south and in Europe who do the SPL down and pat us on the back for our 'plucky' performances got firmly put in their places. There was nothing plucky about the Huns tonight - they murdered Lyon 3-0 away from home. On top of the recent Scotland victory in France people will again start to fear coming to or being drawn against Scottish teams. Ask Man Utd how they got on in the head to heads against Celtic last season - oh and aren't they the current Champions of the PREMIERSHIP?
I think we'll draw tomorrow night but will qualify in second place and here's how I think the group games and points will go:-
Celtic 1 Milan 1
Benfica 2 Shaktar 1
Benfica 1 Celtic 1
Shaktar 0 Milan 1
Celtic 2 Benfica 0
Milan 2 Shaktar 0
Celtic 1 Shaktar 0
Benfica 1 Milan 1
Milan 1 Celtic 1
Shaktar 2 Benfica 0
Ac Milan 11 pts
Celtic 9 Pts
Shaktar 6 Pts
Benfica 5 pts
Can I appeal to everyone to please ignore the Huns if you can't appreciate that they are doing well at the moment in the CL and channel all your positive energy into focusing on Celtic. Rangers won the European Cup Winners Cup in 1972 having beaten Bayern Munich in the semis. Do you know something? They were still the second best team in Glasgow. Other stats to cheer you up .... under Dick Eggnog, they beat Sturm Graz 5-0 in their 1st Champions League game and beat Monaco 1-0 in Monaco in the second game. 6 pts from 2 games just like tonight. Know what? they failed to qualify from the group.
CHAAAAAAAAARGE!!!!!!
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malceye
come out of the closet?
Non comprende
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31003
"non comprendre" - sums you up nicely, it seems.
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malceye
light hearted banter is obviously not your forte when you have to resort to silly comments like your last. I would advise you to listen to your guardians and get to bed right now. You have got school in the morning after all. we can take this conversation up again after you've done yor homework tomorrow evening. Sleep tight
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2340hrs and no work done this evening. See what a lazy, careless statement about competition for Naylor can lead to ? Watch out for Harte and a couple of juniors being snapped up during the January transfer window. Who will stop us then ?
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So - 31003 was I right?!
DavieL
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ditto last comment
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Don't pull the "light hearted banter" card out of the hat when it was clearly somewhere dark with your "14" call. I am pleased to see you concede before midnight.
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SadiesBhoy
Voice of confidence! it'll never catch on ;_) thanks for sharing your views
P8ddy? are you still about? long time no hear !
Ni I'll match your Human League Being boiled with Cabaret Voltaire Nag Nag Nag, under cut it with Art Attacks - Neutron Bomb and raise you Reeese and Santonio the Truth is Self Evident !
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Edward
Your boys gave Lyon a helluva beating tonight - congratulations. I hate your team and many of your supporters but I'm happy for some of the guys I know who support Rankers and for a good guy like yourself. I hope it lulls you all into a false sense of security for the Bhoys are coming to get you in a few weeks!!!
SadiesBhoy
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malceye
strange as this may seem.....although I can only read your comments and cannot actually hear you say them......for some strange reason you still SOUND like a right trumpet
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Is't it wonderful to see the MSs at each other's throats??! 31003 - MMMMMMMMMMM !! malceye - who cares!
Mon the Hoops the Morra!!
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Dick Byrne,
I shall also be in the Lucky Leprechaun in Orlando tomorrow cheering on
the Bhoys to a spectacular win over the CL champs.
I'll be the tall grey haired (and extremely handsome!) guy in the Hoops.
If you make yourself known I'll let you buy me a small refreshment.
Hail! Hail!
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Mmmm, in and out of your "light hearted banter" mode, I see. So, I am "14", a "trumpet" - anything else you wish to add while you are logged on ? Fire away.
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31003 and daviel why are you getting at malceye?
He is a supporter who has concerns about his perception of how the club is run or am I missing something?
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McGraininspain ;- You say "both these teams will hump the huns" Stutgart were beaten when they played us.
DerbyshireBhoy ;- Thanks, believe me I'm as astounded as anyone I had hoped for a lucky draw tonight. What I would say to some posters on here is perhaps Rangers aren't as bad as you thought. Tonight we rode our luck at times but if you take on the French champions and turn them over 3 - 0 on their own patch then it's more than luck, add to that beating the German champions and we may just be a wee bit better than some reckon. I don't see much between our teams this season and think things will be very close. I would like to add the reminder (Not to you) that because some folk may not like a team it doesn't mean they are a bad team.
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malceye
you surprise me
6 minutes to come up with a non witty reply
SLAG OFF?
SLAM DUNK
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Nae Bread Nae Brains
It's a pleasure. Let's get behind the Bhoys. It might not be a case of charge. As my predicted results show we'll be slow to begin but our good results will come at the end - when it matters.
I think I've been bitten by that wee Collie dug and I'm now rabid.
To hell with it - CHAAAARGE!
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malceye
Study harder at your english lesson tomorrow
"Are you 14?" is not an accusation it is a question
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slam dunk ? - after you had conceded ? I don't think so. Now, if you have any more additions to your description of me then, as I say, fire away.
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..............oh, and sounding like a trumpet dose not mean you are one, it just means you sound like one. Please do not accuse me of labeling you
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Ma da's bigger than everybodys da !!
Hallelujah - Jeff Buckley
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31003
don't start retreating now. I know an implication when I see one.
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Porridgeandbannanas :- I have to disagree with you, off hand I think Cuellar, Hutton, Ferguson and a couple of our strikers would not only fit in but improve your team. For the record I agree about the Hutton cheating it was a disgrace.
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malceye
if i have genuinely offended you I am sorry. I mean that. I honestly thought we were in a "Light hearted slagging mode"
Enough's enough
C'mon the hoops
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malceye
ps. but you did start it
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Edward
I think that Cousin is the real danger in your team. I said so on this blog a few weeks ago and that I would bring back Bobo to deal with him. The goal he scored tonight was class and showed skill allied to strength. I think we might see more of it this season from him but not against Celtic if Bobo plays.
SadiesBhoy
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Edward
Walter Sith is back and has your team playing to its strengths. What went wrong with Paul Le Guen?
Funny Old Game football aint it?
I'll bet if you had asked any team in Europe to choose a new manager between PLG and WS they'd have gone for PLG !
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Edward.
Good result but you'll forgive me if I'm not following through into my boxers thinking about your team.
I have confidence in Celtic.
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GreenLion @ 23.29 ;- Thankyou :-)
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Nae Bread
If you are expecting me to come back with the second best Reeese and Santonio song, could you at least spell it correctly so that I can Google them :)
Rock to the Beat - Reese and Santonio
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I thought the priority during the close season was to address the lack of goals and creativity in the team.
Has this not been achieved?
After this was addressed FB cover would have been great.
With six central defenders at the club we are covered in this area.
Until two or three leave it is upto the manager to organise them the best he can.
The FB positions is the next priority. Hopefully this will be sorted in January. However other clubs including rangers are looking to strengthen their FB area.
For those asking why have Celtic allowed rangers back into it.
I think our club (and Sean Souths) has recovered very well since Black Sunday.
McDonald, Brown and Hateley were all gers targets therefore we did try to halt their progress off the field.
Would you have been happy to go further and pay £2M for McCulloch?
The board has also spent around £20M in three seasons while delivering a Training Complex.
All in all not bad progress really.
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malceye
don't do this to me
talk to me
you're giving me a complex now
Heeeeelllllpppppp
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Ed, Id take Hutton, Ferguson and Cuellar. However, I'm still to be convinced that Cuellar and Hutton can do it over the course of a season. Hutton has McGeady scared to run past him and now looks as though he has a right sided midfield man to support his runs forward. That said, If Gordon Strachan has done his homework he should switch McGeady and Nakamura, play 3 at the back and cope with the cross balls from your lot in a more central position. Hartley on Ferguson... is a must.
Cuellar is good in wider areas but still hasnt done enough to prove he can do the simple things such as head clear and mark a striker who is good with his back to goal.
Be not araid of der hun
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Ed no probs mate.... I think I missed out and F between the R and U... but hopefully there is never a next time I use it against you!!!!
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Lyon bought a more than decent LB during the summer transfer window.It's not that foolproof (prudent fool or gambling fool), unfortunately.
EU
Come on you must want to say more. You've got about 20 hours of CL bragging rights to yourself until we take 4 off AC.
Oh, and can I echo GL2's sentiments while I'm at it.
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Right good night and God bless.
Ed as SFTB said enjoy ya b'.
Im more upset that I slagged a guy in work into betting tonight and he put £30 on you to win at 21/2 (Betfair). You can imagine the txt ive received tonight.
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can anyone tell me where malceye lives? I'm gettin worried now. haven't heard from him since I beat him in the slag off
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sean 'we're doomed' south
stop being so scared man. you're so wound up in your fear at the brilliance of rangers that you are forgetting that we are top of the league and have lost ONE game in the champions league (like last season?). we cannot do anything about who rangers sign or how they play, they will always challenge us and splashing the cash will not get rid of them. they HAVE improved this season, but if they are in second position come the end of the season then they haven't improved enough have they.
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I wonder if Lyon's manager is currently on a secluded beach, stripping naked and walking into the sea in an apparent suicide attempt to start a new life as...anybody else.
A bit of a cock up on the beating Rangers front.
I didn't get where i am today by not beating Rangers.
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reggie
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I wonder what our formation will be tomorrow.
Do we bring in Killen for Venegoor ?
Do we go with Magic or Riordan to partner Skippy.
Is Naka fit?
For me , this game will be won or lost in the midfield. Finding the balance to contain Pirlo and Kaka whilst getting forward to support the strikers is vital.
I'd go 3-5-2 - and a midfield of Naka, brown, donati, mcGeady and hartley.
Milan play on the deck and through the middle - hence this formation!
head = 2-2
heart - 3-1
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I take it with their win in Lyon tonight that we automatically forfeit the points against AC and also get deducted 3 points in the SPL.
It was actually Lyon that they beat not us.
Sean South your comment
'After the stick I got last month for simply warning that Smith had built a good Rangers side I take absolutely no pleasure in saying I told you so.'
How come you were so quick to bring it up then?
Pat
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SadiesBhoy :- Thanks. Confidence or not I think that if both teams keep as they are going it will mean results between us going to the home team. This is different from the way I had thought where I imagined an easier ride against other teams and a turn over at some point in a game between us
NarBreadNaeBrains :- I can't argue against that, I know who I would have picked and it wouldn't have been the bluenose.
WizardofOz :- As I have confidence in Rangers (sometimes from behind the couch with closed eyes) that's one of the great things about football we can argue debate and discuss and then the team does something unexpected and the whole thing is up in the air again, thence once it's decided it all starts over again. The sublime lunacy of the football fan :-)
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Congratulations Edward......
Enjoy your moment in the sun....
Mad Dogs and Englishmen and all that....
PJ
:0)
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Tifin :- That's a fair point about whether they can continue over a season, I'd like to see them both do it and think they will but only time will tell. Swithching you wingers could well pay off especially if used as a surprise move and I think that would probably give them a better chance of getting past the defence, from there though you tend to rely on the cross ball and I feel our defence could cope against your forwards. A free kick from the 18 - 25 yard area is what I worry about jst now when playing you. On playing three at the back I'm a fan of that but in Celtics case I think this would work better with someone like Mr Balde in the middle. Against him I'd play Darcheville to start and let them have the physical battle, then bring on Cousin to take him on in the air and have a chance of turning him on the ground as he tires. I wonder if any manager ever reads these forums and laughs at the team and tactical suggestions.
SFTB :- I have always said I would like Celtic to do well in Europe, just not as well as us, so I hope you reach the final :-)
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Meant to say Lyon are a fair scalp....
But they are not....
European Champions.
PJ
Who still thinks GS & the Bhoys will Skelp Benfica away from home.....
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PJBhoynyc :- Woof Woof :-)
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SO...
T'Was the Night before Christmas / Halloween / Guy Fawkes.....delete as appropriate...
I will not predict a result....
But I will predict a Show....... and a Stopper!
MASSIMO DONATI ..... THE STAGE IS YOURS.....
Ah Love Psychology me.........
Roll On the Future. The Furore Can Wait....
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Dida was at Celtic Park training with the other AC Milan players on Tuesday evening.Maybe he will be playing after all.
Hail Hail
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Edward U. - Well done (GRRRR!)
All - the common thread running through the posts is - "Smith knows how to set his stall out in these matches" (I'm not picking out the poster who used these exact words) my question is - WHAT choice did he have? - the mans not a tactical genius al of a sudden, his record in Europe is sh*te.
Keep the faith (FFS!)
Oregonbhoy (a very frustrated Celtic fan on his favourite CELTIC site)
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Edward,firstly have to say well done to Rangers.
Great result for you.
Secondly,can anybody tell me how this affects us,except perhaps to gee us up even more for tonight?
Oh and help us get straight into the group stages in the future?
Would prefer they were not in there to start with,but since they are Scotland's only other representative,we have to hope they do more than take humpings.
Sean South,there you go again.
What it this "swing in the balance of power"?
We have actually not played since Saturday,when,let me see,you were nowhere to be seen after the results.
Busy again were we?
You could not possibly see any long term swing in the balance of power happening for all the pendulums going back and forth in that skull of yours after every game,or poor performance from one of our players.
The Rangers result last night is a GOOD result for US.
The Rangers result on Saturday was a GOOD result for US.
If it was Hearts or Aberdeen or Hibernian getting the result last night it would have been GOOD for US.
Man even when something happens that is good for Celtic in the long run,you only see it as a stick to beat the club with.
Why turn this into the usual crusade to get stuck into our club?
Celtic's position has changed not one bit since yesterday,yet you come on here spouting about some sort of calamity for us,saying I told you so.
Celtic's position did actually change for the better on Saturday,yet the silence was deafening.
As you like to portray yourself as only having a go at the people who run the club,not the club or the team or players,or only "voicing your fears"which is the biggest load of bull I have ever heard anyway.
Where is your comments about the appointments to the board?
Too busy to comment on the main thing you say annoys you the most?
Gie us peace will ye?
In fact don't.
Keep harping on about how good they are,and how they are improving,and how bad we are,and how much worse we are becoming.
They are gonnae win,we urnae gonnae win,see I told ye.
Just exactly the same as you did last season and the season before.
What you say yourself,shows you up as more of a fool than anything me or Celtic or Rangers or anybody else could.
We all have our fears and the right to voice them.
You on the other hand confuse fear or concern with the right to abuse our team and our club.
Yet still demand the right to do so without fear of abuse being directed at you.
Well excuse me,Sean South
But you Sir,are a hypocritical fanny.
And before you go off offering to meet me at the school gate while your pal hauds the jaikits.
Don't bother.
You would look even more of a fool after that too
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Can't believe some of the kneejerk remarks over a Rangers victory and using that as a weapon to attack The CELTIC Board.
Posting whilst TOO drunk should be discouraged..........
Well Done To Rangers !
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Morning ghuys and ghals -
Lyon ? Abysmal.
The darnel got The Group of Life.
WG
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Gunners now on nine successive victories and unbeaten this season (only blemish a draw at improved Blackburn down to a Lehmann blunder)
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Morning WG - your man Cesc is scoring me a hatful in my FF team and big Adebayor is not far behind.
Sean South - apologists and propagandists? I laughed out loud. This is not a Militant meeting you know - go the whole hog and denounce us as capitalist lapdogs, or counterrevolutionaries or how about bourgeois reactionaries, that's a good one.
Alternatively you could refer to us as supporters who simply do not share your Maoist analysis of our club. Please spare us the SWP sloganeering.
1-0 The Hoops
Comrade McGrain
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3-0 away in the group stage is an excellent result;but given the nature of the team involved it's like watching someone you don't like pull a really goodlooking woman.It doesn't make her any less pretty.
Anyways,some positives-good 2-2 draw for Carlisle at the Monkey-Hangers.
The return of me ole'Timternet stalker Plato!-was it something I said that had you sulking in the Platcave?
Miketw10-no problem,I'm glad your mum's injury isn't too serious.Pablo gave me your number.
Are you coming up the weekend of the game at Minas Morgul?
Incidentally,the weekends events proved Jack White right when he said'don't trust anyone who says they don't like Led Zeppelin';~@
Edward-I thought when el Cardo returned it would be good for Celtic.Looks like I was wrong again..luckily the tiny part of my life I spend away from CQN is going swimmingly;+)
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Morning McGrain, go go gunners
I think East Fife put up more resistance last week than the cowardly Lyon did last night.
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Donati -
Sky Sports News NOW
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If you can't be a sun, don't be a cloud.
If you can't be a hun, don't be a clown.
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dontbratt -
we're saintless today but there's fun to be had tomorrow....
....how about best european game witnessed ?
I'll go for Boavista away the day after my 40th birthday. I've never seen so many grown men weep (apart fae ma mates in the Teser last night)
WeteyedGemmell
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Can't believe the reaction on here last night ... don't get me worng I was gutted!!! However we as a support having being decrying the Old Firm label and strive for seperation, but this blog, in the last 14 hours, has been defining our team on their result. We can't have it both ways they didn't play us last night, they are not two wins ahead of us in the league. So why does our team and board suffer the same negative views as when we have an occasional defeat?
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So...Rangers won last night. Wow. Imagine that.
Our team might be struggling a little of late, but I think Gordon Strachan has done enough to earn our patience. I think also if you predict failure, on a long enough time line everyone fails. It's a no brainer. Rangers doing well in Europe doesn't harm us in the slightest. Who cares?
The main event is far more worrying - the election of the alcoholic, womanising war criminal that is John Reid.
When security checks at Celtic Park have to be ramped up to minimise the threat of suicide bombers address your thank you letters to Dermot Desmond and Brian Quinn.
Sleep soundly in your bed knowing that one of the men responsible for the suffering of millions, who has approved extraordinary renditions and who has seen a war or "illegals" (the very name denying their humanity.)
Step forward Dr John Reid :
Friend of Radovan Karadzic
Political chameleon
War criminal
Friend of Israel
Neo-con
You know the irony? If John Reid had been around in the days just before Irish immigration to this country there would be no Celtic. There would be no Irish diaspora, at least not in this country. Us filthy immigrants wouldn't be in this country "stealing jobs and undermining the minimum wage" - we would be stuck in a bog somewhere muttering "yes massa" and waiting for the return of the prison ships bringing back our bretheren caught in dawn raids.
John Reid is a natural enemy of Celtic. A hypocrite, a charlatan and a waster.
/p
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WG,
Had me reaching for my ordo there, oh the shame;) If my dad finds out I forgot Frannies big day I'll never hear the end of it.
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Hi p8ddy
Nice to see you ease yourself back in quietly!
In terms of tonight and our general form I feel that we have 3 central midfielders all playing well; Donati, Hartley and Brown.
All 3 play their best football in the middle and suffer when moved wide. Last to be moved wide was Donati on Saturday who moved wide left in the second half and fell out the game.
So rather than the rigid 4-4-2 I think if Naka is fit we have to go with a midfield 5 that will allow all three to play central and hopefully dominate the game. This also gives the freedom for Aiden and Naka to float central and all 3 central guys have the physicality to get forward and support therefore not sacrificing our ability to attack.
I am right up for this. C'MON THE HOOPS!
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p8ddy,
Calling someone an alcoholic is that not "the very name denying their humanity"?
Womaniser, well a guy who likes his Nat King, never!
War Criminal? Maybe in some folks eyes but, until tried and found guilty....
As for the Irish immigration, were the Irish not considered 'british' at the time (history is not one of my strengths) therefore, free to travel the length and breadth of the country?
CaltonTongues
P.S. Welcome back P8ddy and feel free to bold away :-)
P.P.S. 2-0 for the 'Tic
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Jeez,first the Platmeister,now P8ddy!Who's next to get back on the bus-Evil Rhum Baa Baa/
Anyways,P8ddy,I hope your family worries have eased.
In fairness to DJR he must be given credit for conquering 2 addictions-alcohol and nicotine.If he was still drinking that would be worthy of comment.Besides,if CP was no longer welcome to womanisers and bevvy merchants the stands would look like the Kellys were still in charge!
Like you I have reservations about his political record.
Got to leave the Shire shortly for some grown-up football.
Come on the Hoops
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CaltonTongues...
Calling someone an alcoholic is that not "the very name denying their humanity"?
I was using the epithet to try and demonstrate the fact that the guy's sole motivation is self indulgence. The more important question would be why he gave up alcohol. To be a better person? Nah, because he was given the ultimatum "Drink or politics". The only thing he could stand less than his mindless self indulgence was a loss of power.
Womaniser, well a guy who likes his Nat King, never!
His manner was an issue. To the unwilling target Ms Primarolo at leas.
War Criminal? Maybe in some folks eyes but, until tried and found guilty....
Mugabe hasn't been tried either. Nor was Hitler. Alliende was attacked (backed by US) without ever being subject to a court case. Desponts rarely get tried. Generally because they control the courts.
By that benchmark we could have Reid as Chairman, Jim Torbett as head coach, George Bush as hoopy (I know it would be taxing for him...but....)
As for the Irish immigration, were the Irish not considered 'british' at the time (history is not one of my strengths) therefore, free to travel the length and breadth of the country?
At that point they were considered British "subjects", however, the UK has in the past banned Irishmen from mainland Britain. I alluded to the point that if John Reid had been in charge at that time there would have been no immigration. Regardless of rights or wrongs. The man is a serial immigrant hater. He's a right wing, Christian fundamentalist hawk.
John Reid has no sypathy for anyone's freedom beyond "what can they do for me?"
P.S. Welcome back P8ddy and feel free to bold away :-)
Thank you!
P.P.S. 2-0 for the 'Tic
Only two? Why will we be going easy on them? ;-)
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p8ddy
It's good to see the lure of CQN has brought you out of retirement. I hope you're keeping well.
Your comments on the team's current status are fair. If only some others on here could acquire your sense of perspective in that area.
Equally, it would be great you could acquire a similar sense of perspective on political matters, when you post on a Celtic forum.
I would have been suprised had you not opposed John Reid's appointment, but your comments are unfair and inappropriate.
Why unfair? The last time John Reid was drunk, or even had a drink, was ten years ago. You refer to his alcohol problem as if it were current and relevant. It is not.
So far as I'm aware, the womanising also belongs to his distant past. Do you have knowledge of more recent indiscretions, or are you just slinging more ancient mud in the hope that some of it sticks?
I'll mention in passing that if womanising were a bar to employment by Celtic, a good few revered names would feature in the histories of other clubs, not our own. To say nothing of the fans.... including, at one time, this one.
In my view the private behaviour of any Celtic employee (or fan) is their own business, if it doesn't directly affect the club. You've previously claimed to be a lbertarian, so surely you take the same view?
"Friend of Israel" - as an insult. Anti-Semitism anyone? And please spare me a list of Israel's many offences, that belongs in another forum, and anyway your comment unambiguously refers to the country, not its actions.
"Neo-con". No, p8ddy, he is patently not, at least in the sense that the word is normally used to denote. But as you once hilariously told me that the word 'libertarian' does not have any political connotations, perhaps you extend the same ultra-flexible approach to defining any other term in the dictionary.
If someone else tried to argue a point with you by hypothesising what a person might have done if transported back 150 years in time, you'd scoff at them. So why do it yourself?
I won't go down the whole list of your comments; they all betray your extreme partiality on the subject, and consequently undermine the argument you seek to advance on the back of them.
Don't mistake my stance here; I am not a supporter of John Reid's politics, nor the collective actions of the Blair Cabinet in relation to Iraq (or many other matters). In fact, you might be surprised at how much of what you have said (personal digs at John Reid apart) that I sympathise with.
However, on CQN I am first and last a Celtic supporter, and when I share my opinions on something I do so in that context.
What you have done in your post is to take a personal political view, identify it (IMO quite wrongly) with Celtic, and launch a polemic against a soon-to-be Celtic employee, based on the idea that the club's interests are aligned with, perhaps can even be defined by, that political viewpoint.
I believe that Celtic's inclusive nature of our club is the thing which most distinguishes us from other clubs. When I see an intelligent man like you, who clearly loves Celtic, reducing our club to a vehicle to express or further your own narrow political or other viewpoints, it saddens me.
More than a club - you bet. More than the views of any particular group of supporters - absolutely.
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Well done to Rangers for their stunning result in France last night, but after looking at the match stats one has to ask... "Did Lyon actually have a goalkeeper?".
(Lyon shots on target 13, goals 0; Rangers shots on target 3, goals 3)
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P8ddy,
hello!!
Your family?
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Great post about "Dr." John Reid, P8ddy. Succint and to the point. Sums up the man to a tee and why I and 1000's of others are amazed/disappointed that he was named as Chairman.
Great post !
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P8ddy :- Welcome back you have been missed I was starting to think I was the only left winger on the blog :-) I hope all your recent troubles had the best possible outcome.
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NeilR,
Cracking post sir. Found the personal attacks on Dr Reid's personal problems totally odious by Paddy.
Can't believe this site this morning however, biggest game of the season so far and we are focussing on the huns and John Reid's persona !!
Come on fhellas, let's get the party mood going. We are Celtic.
Is Naka playing ?
Can't wait...
Big Wavy
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Bischipsuk,
There usual keeper is injured. The guy who played last night is a journeyman who signed from Montpellier about 4-5yrs ago and has played few games since then.
Credit to Rankers for their 3-0 victory. It surprised me and quite a few Frenchmen this morning.
But it only confirms what most of the French press have been saying since the start of the season : Lyon have their worst team in years, but it's still good enough to be at the top of Le Championnat. Marseille haven't won it in 15 yrs despite spending millions. PSG are a basket case, despite spending millions. French domestic football has been declining for the last 6 or 7 years due to Bosman and some pretty ugly in-fighting between the league and clubs. Maybe Lyon finishing 4th in their group and Scotland pipping France to qualify for Euro2008 will sound a wake-up call? But I doubt it....
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nice to see you back Paddy
Well done to the Paris buns last night, they have to be the luckiest team in the world, but what are you going to do?
2-0 to the 'tic tonight, aidan and skoosh will shine.
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good morning !
Looking to head thru early doors today - any meet planned ?Let me know.
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Welcome back p8ddy
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NeilR
you state quite a bit about what you don't like in P8ddy's post.
You state you don't like his politics either.
Can you tell us if you think his appointment for Celtic is a good thing or a bad thing.
And why you think this?
And please don not restrict yourself to what he might bring to calling and chairing meetings.
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Kano...
It's nice to be back. :-)
Family wise things have worked out far better than I hoped. Thanks to some very good, dedicated people at Glasgow Southern General and Brian Scott (yes, that one!) the prognosis is much more positive.
/p
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Good to see you back p8ddy
malceye,
There was mention of mcchuills at 5ish tonight, word of dbbia, tinytim + others maybe - not entirely sure though.
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I posted last night to ask if anyone had details of who to contact regarding relocating to the singing section as there had been something on the feeshul website about it. I think, however, that my post was trampled by the four horsemen of the apocalypse. Has anyone got the details?
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Kano,
I'm sure NeilR will cover it himself but this has been covered as nauseum in the last week. For the record I think it'll be :
* Eloquent spokesman on behalf of the club. Will do this with aplomb.
* Defender of all things in celtic's interests, including SFA, Duffield and the media I hope.
* Personal contacts. The man was nearly PM some time ago.
* Ability to lead a board of highly talented and diverse individuals in celtic's interests. regardless of his politics this is one thing that politicians have to be adept at.
* Arbitrate between the manager and the CEO if needs be.
Unlike other chairmen he won't run the business as that's the CEO's job and he won't pick the team as that's the manager's job.
On the record as not caring for his background, addictions, foibles, etc and will judge him on his merit in the job as celtic chairmen. He has a tough act to follow.
Hope that helps. Suspect it won't...:)
Mon the Hoops.
2-1 tonight...
Big Wavy
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cheers thismancraig
I'll head there - if anyone else is there at 5ish, I have the shaven/bald head and green bomber jacket.
cheeri
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"Friend of Israel" - as an insult.
That could be viewed as anti-zionist but not necessarily anti-semetic.
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P8ddy
Good to read you again, tell it like it is mate.
Glad to hear things are appearing better re: family health.
Hail Hail
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p8ddy - I sympathise with an objection to JR's appointment based on his association with the prosecution of an illegal (imo) war in Iraq.
I also object to the treatment of the Palestinians by the State of Israel but this subject is considered more complex and therefore I cannot object to JR on this 'Friend of ...' basis.
I do not see that a history of alocoholism or 'womanising' is relevant.
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P8ddy,glad to hear it.
Big Wavy,thanks I was aware of your views.
Ad Nauseum?
The debate on this is more noticable by it's absence.
As for his "foibles".
You have listed them all above
The fact that he might get a bunch of suits to "further enhance brand Celtic" I think would be the part of his attributes which could fall into his "foibles" as you call them.
It is the other things in his CV that make me feel ashamed that my club would be in any way involved with this individual.
As for his politics,I couldn't care less,don't honestly think the man has any,and don't think he has had since a few years after he left university.
But how you can either confuse politics with,or flippantly dismiss as "foibles" the murder of thousands of Iraqi and Afghan citizens,which was done at his behest,and if not,done while he knew about it and"publicly at least" snivelled up to the man who did order it,without having the decency to resign and condemn it,really is beyond me!!!
Suppose if the profit goes up a bit,or Gordon Smith attracts a few soundbites in the press,or if the fatcat section of the stadium has to be increased twofold to accomodate his famed"contacts",then the murder of innocents can seem so insignificant eh?
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Dagety Bhoy I dont know if it ever took off. There is a se ction behind me 445 I think where there is a group. Best place to start would eb the ticket office.
Everyone returning big game posters !!! ... wheres vinniethedog?
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Signing Section from the main site:
http://www.celticfc.net/tickets/Jungle_Bhoys.aspx
Copy and paste!
I'm not that chuffed with John Reid either but we're hosting the European Champions today, just back from the stadium and the usual excitement is there...hopefully it will reach here soon!!!!
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This is a football forum can we talk war elsewhere please?
I don't want John Reid near Celtic Park either but this isn't the venue for that particular discussion.
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nice to have you back p8ddy. uve been missed.
glad to hear its turned/turning out better than you hoped.
i might not agree with some things your excellent
penmanship rolls out but its a right good read (reid?)
you, estadio, james forrest (has his mammy locked up his pc),
plato (just skip the negatives), oldtim67, sean south all make this blog
"a grand old blog to see"
ps. oldtim67, what happened on friday on your trial run.
not wanting to lessen or laugh at your disposition but when i read
you came in for a trial run at babbity bowsers ahead of saturday and
ended up in infirmary, it gave me a wee chuckle thinking you'd got blitzed
and unable to make your way home due to training for beerfest.
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dalgety bhoy
Jungle Bhoys Singing Section!
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p8ddy
I'm very happy to hear the good news about your family.
Kano
My post to p8ddy was principally about the undesirability of reducing Celtic to a proxy for a political cause. I haven't posted before now on John Reid partly because I don't have a strong opinion either way - yet! - and partly because I don't have anything particularly interesting to say on the subject. However, you're asking, so here are my thoughts.
Big Wavy's post at 1130 gives a pretty good summary of what the man is likely to bring to the job, nothing else major springs to mind. Thanks big man!
Funnily enough, one of the biggest reservations I have about JR has been listed by Big Wavy and others as a positive point - his abrasive temperament and willingness to pick a fight to further his views. He'd feel right at home on here though :-)
Many people on CQN have called for the board to be more pro-active in pursuing Celtic's interests, whether that be by challenging the Scottish football establishment or taking on the BJK morons amongst the Rangers support. While I don't expect JR to mouth off at every opportunity about a perceived injustice against the club - the existing board members will certainly brief him on the club's stance on dealing with such matters - it seems likely that he will bring a more abrasive, confrontational stance to the job than his predecessor.
Whatever one's opinion of the current board, it is a fact that Celtic is in an unprecedented position of financial strength (both absolute and relative to our domestic rivals). That has been achieved under the guidance of the under-assuming and over-achieving Brian Quinn, a man whose cause I championed long before it became fashionable to do so (i.e. the last couple of weeks, or so it seems). The question is whether the appointment of JR represents a change of emphasis or a change of direction. If we move too far away from a winning formula, we take a risk that in my view, notwithstanding the hysteria that erupts on here every time Celtic have a bad result (or even, it seems, if Rangers have a good one), is unnecessary at this point.
If you're going to pick fights, you have to be prepared to lose some, and pick up a few bruises along the way. When it's your own teeth you're counting after a brawl, that's your prerogative. When you're the chairman of a plc, though, the pain of your losses is shared with many others. Sometimes - often - the best route to where you want to be is not the most direct one. If JR remembers that, tempers his temper, and picks his fights wisely, then given his undoubted intelligence, energy and influence, his appointment augurs well for Celtic.
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NeilR...
It's good to see the lure of CQN has brought you out of retirement. I hope you're keeping well.
I am, thank you! :-)
I would have been suprised had you not opposed John Reid's appointment, but your comments are unfair and inappropriate.
What comments in particular? That he's an alcoholic? Ask him. That he's harrased Dawn Primarolo? Ask her. That he's a war criminal? Ask the people of Afganistan and Iraq. That he's a friend of Radovan Karadzic? Again, Reid has confirmed acepting his hospitality.
Why unfair? The last time John Reid was drunk, or even had a drink, was ten years ago. You refer to his alcohol problem as if it were current and relevant. It is not.
It's relevant in establishing what motivates the man.
So far as I'm aware, the womanising also belongs to his distant past. Do you have knowledge of more recent indiscretions, or are you just slinging more ancient mud in the hope that some of it sticks?
John Reid's mud is very much in the present.
I'll mention in passing that if womanising were a bar to employment by Celtic, a good few revered names would feature in the histories of other clubs, not our own. To say nothing of the fans.... including, at one time, this one.
Were you aware that Ms Primarolo had to ask for help from Mr Reid's unwelcome attentions? It wasn't all hearts and flowers or Romeo and Juliet. Bluto and Olive Oil might be a better example.
In my view the private behaviour of any Celtic employee (or fan) is their own business, if it doesn't directly affect the club. You've previously claimed to be a lbertarian, so surely you take the same view?
I certainly don't take the same view. War criminals are most certainly not welcome at Celtic Park.
Like I've explained to you before, being a libertarian doesn't mean "anything goes", rather, it means "Treat others with the respect you would like to be treated".
"Friend of Israel" - as an insult. Anti-Semitism anyone? And please spare me a list of Israel's many offences, that belongs in another forum, and anyway your comment unambiguously refers to the country, not its actions.
It's not anti semitic to criticise a government or countries national politics. That's an argument to the absurd! It's a logical error.
You also utterly misunderstood my comment. I was referring to Mr Reids membership of the Labour "Friends of Israel" group. That supports the current regime in Palestine.
"Neo-con". No, p8ddy, he is patently not, at least in the sense that the word is normally used to denote.
Really? His puppet like support of the war on Iraq? His penchant for ID cards? His police state style dawn raids? His communist past? What part of Reid isn't neocon?
But as you once hilariously told me that the word 'libertarian' does not have any political connotations, perhaps you extend the same ultra-flexible approach to defining any other term in the dictionary.
I told you no such thing. I gave you a dictionary definition of libertarian. And how that related to me. I distanced myself from the "libertarian republican" school of thought (an almost uniquely American concept).
I explained fully. Is that still hilarious? I can go back and get our exchange from then and quote it in full if your memory still fails you.
If someone else tried to argue a point with you by hypothesising what a person might have done if transported back 150 years in time, you'd scoff at them. So why do it yourself?
I was being allegorical. Can't you see that? I was making a point by using an abstract to illustrate it.
I won't go down the whole list of your comments; they all betray your extreme partiality on the subject, and consequently undermine the argument you seek to advance on the back of them.
You can't make such a statement and not back it up. Please, quote me at will.
Don't mistake my stance here; I am not a supporter of John Reid's politics, nor the collective actions of the Blair Cabinet in relation to Iraq (or many other matters). In fact, you might be surprised at how much of what you have said (personal digs at John Reid apart) that I sympathise with.
What personal digs have I made? I have offered no criticism that isn't already public record. I stand by every statement. And none were argumentum ad hominem.
However, on CQN I am first and last a Celtic supporter, and when I share my opinions on something I do so in that context.
Has John Reid's appointment not been announced? If it has I beleive my comments are well within context.
What you have done in your post is to take a personal political view, identify it (IMO quite wrongly) with Celtic, and launch a polemic against a soon-to-be Celtic employee, based on the idea that the club's interests are aligned with, perhaps can even be defined by, that political viewpoint.
To be honest, I'd rather have jim Torbett on the coaching staff than John Reid as Chairman. I mean that seriously.
Celtic were formed, in part, to protect the poorest and weakest in society. They were formed with egalitarian ideals. The helped immigrants living in poverty.
John Reid stands for the very opposite of these lofty ideals. He wants everyone ID carded and on a DNA database. He has declared on vulnerable people and frightened them by visiting them in the dead of night with his storm troopers.
John Reid has overseen the utter collapse of democracy in this country! A country where straight teeth in your mouth are more important that the words that come out of them. We have a two party state where image takes precedence over wisdom, where sound bite politics are served to the fastfood culture. John Reid has been the architect of this along with his cronies.
I believe that Celtic's inclusive nature of our club is the thing which most distinguishes us from other clubs. When I see an intelligent man like you, who clearly loves Celtic, reducing our club to a vehicle to express or further your own narrow political or other viewpoints, it saddens me.
The club are not a vehicle to express my politics. The club are an extension of my beliefs. The ethos of the club sits are the very core of my values. The fans were part of that too. A politically aware, socialist and educated support. Not blind consumerism dressed as football. And not the sectarian sludge pedalled by the boards of directors at Ibrox or Tynecastle.
More than a club - you bet. More than the views of any particular group of supporters - absolutely.
So what do Celtic represent?
/p
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p8ddy -
wonderful to see you back
WelcominGemmell
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wizardofoz 2.10/07 21.27
As someone who saw the Barcelona/ Lyon game I was not in the least surprised by last night's result. If you thought Lyon's capitulation at home was bad. This was nothing as compared to their capitulation away in Barcelona. They took to the field of play at the Camp Nou a defeated team. Most defintely a team on the way down. Rangers took full advantage of that.
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Nerve soother -
Atom Heart Mother - Pink Flhoyd
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Big Wavy...
* Eloquent spokesman on behalf of the club. Will do this with aplomb.
Interestingly, most commentators disagree. Glib and truculant are two words more commonly associated with the man.
* Defender of all things in celtic's interests, including SFA, Duffield and the media I hope.
Given his penchant for changing his beliefs whenever opportunity arises, can we be sure of what Celtic's interests will be?
Communist to Capitalist
Friend of Radovan Karadzic to Advocating the bombing of Yugoslavia. The guy is nothing more than an opportunist.
* Personal contacts. The man was nearly PM some time ago.
So Celtic are a political entity then? Better change the clubs mission statement!
* Ability to lead a board of highly talented and diverse individuals in celtic's interests. regardless of his politics this is one thing that politicians have to be adept at.
Reid was a bully! he wasn't a leader, he was the attack dog designed to get others to follow his leader. He was a reflector, not a director.
* Arbitrate between the manager and the CEO if needs be.
Like I say, he's a bully.
Unlike other chairmen he won't run the business as that's the CEO's job and he won't pick the team as that's the manager's job.
OK, I admit he's better than Romanov of Abramovic. Hardly a glowing recomendation!
On the record as not caring for his background, addictions, foibles, etc and will judge him on his merit in the job as celtic chairmen. He has a tough act to follow.
I'll look forward to you recommending Pinochet as a board memeber then? Or Paul Gascoigne?
Mon the Hoops.
2-1 tonight...
Here's hoping.
/p
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Guys...
Thank you for the kind wishes and welcome back. :-)
I really appreciate it.
/p
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Neil R,
I don't see Celtic changing direction post BQ. He put the bricks and mortar in place and the board will follow their plan through, like Arsenal.
What I believe is needed now his a politician in the front line to protect our interests and till a "clean "one comes along(oxymoron alert),We have JR. I wonder is T. Sheridan busy these days, or does he still hand around the south side.
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I must break my vow of silence to express my joy at the return of P8ddy and the good news regarding his mother.
In defending the appointment of Dr Reid Mr Angry expressed the view some days ago that on taking up his post at Celtic Park he would leave his politics at the door.I think this is what many of us fear.
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P8ddy, every party in government has their good and bad decisions while in term. However, they are responsible for these decisions as a governing party, not as individuals.
Reid was part of a government that took the decision to invade Iraq, he was also part of the government that helped provide the excellent NHS services you mentioned earlier.
It works both ways.
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P8ddy, welcome back boldmeister, the blog hasnt looked so full of black for ages !
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Credit where it's due
3-0 away from home is unlikely to be bettered in the group stages this season.
Particularly so given it was the bottom seeded team who beat the 2nd seeds.
Come on the coefficient..
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NeilR,
you are a far superior politician than John Reid could ever hope to be.
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Aye, P&ddy, good to see you back.
I bet you half-typed out a bland wee return post about where to fit Paul Hartley into tonight's midfield and replaced it with something much more controversial, substantial and P&ddyesque.
If you hadn't, no one would have believed it was really you.
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p8ddy
Good to see you back
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Eddie,
congrats! Good to see that your mob are contrbuting to co-efficients at long last.
I've a funny feeling we might just sneak a win tonight.
What would the odds be on predicting Celtic to get drawn against TFOD in the last 16 (assuming it could happen)?
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I think calling Dr Reid a murderer is libellous. If it was me I would take you to task over a statement like that. Disgusting. The man was doing his job and to the best of his ability. A damn fine job too if you ask me, but then again I am no politician.
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Noel,
what is too drunk?
Never reached that state myself.
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Fair do's to the Darnel.
Smith had them watched closely and the players did the needful.
As far our own situ is concerned tonight
I think WGS may go 451 with Hartley man marking Kaka.
Thoughts??
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Is it not a spooky that both myself and p8ddy, have returned to brighten up the blog at the same time??!!!
Welcome back, p9ddy!
Michael Brattbcak
How ya doin'?, me aul interweb stalkee!!
How is yon "Commander Cody" chap?
It was nothing that you said that had me alurkin' within the confines of the Platcave.
I know that it hasn't stopped me before, but I just had nothing too say............
...... or should that be "to write", or "type", or.........
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Kano
Tickety Boo is right.
Do Paul a favour and delete that, old bhoy.
You know it makes sense.
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Cheers j-tim-bag. I have now emailed them.
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Tom the Tim,
Tommy Sheridan clean? You're having a laugh, surely?
Dubaibhoy,
Country protection exists in the last 16 draw. So the last 8 is the first time we could, in theory, draw rangers!
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My apologies to those who see my remarks as being a threat to Paul somehow.
I have deleted and reworded my post just to prove how idiotic a response of "that is libellous" really is.
Ardoch,it is a Celtic blog.
And it is Paul's blog.
Who died and made you the hall monitor.
Man,if we can talk about Babity Bowsers and golf days.
Talk about amortisation and accounts and abuse Gordon Strachan for the best part of two and a half years each,surely a wee discussion about a man who regularly made decisions which caused the deaths of thousands of innocents(I will check my leagal dictionary for what that may be interpreted as!!!) becoming our Chairman isn't that out there?
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Kano
We don't make the laws of the land.
You can libel someone on a blog. All it takes is the right (wrong) sort of legal team looking in.
Why run the risk?
Imagine they came in and closed CQN down. We'd all have to get back to our jobs. Can you imagine how dull and tedious that would be?
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I suppose Gerry and Martin havent sent anybody to their deaths then?
There are so many spart Celtic fans who are so up their own holes its fekkin laughable.
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P8ddy, good to read your thoughts on John Reid. It's been a long time since I saw so much bold on CQN, you're clearly in good spirits.
"John Reid is a natural enemy of Celtic."
Yes, the Celtic you, I and many others hold close to our hearts. However, Mr. Reid is clearly a big friend of the corporate Celtic juggernaut. He's an important man with the connections needed to get things done. If it was an appointment made by the Celtic support, many of us would be mightily worried. However, the club (and for that matter, the game) we love was hi-jacked a long, long time ago by people with the motivation to make profit (and I don't necessarily mean an annual profit). I'd contend that the current management consciously pays attention to the needy and poor to the extent that it encourages us to believe that Celtic retains the values upon which it was founded. It strikes me that those values are far more evident amongst the support than they are amongst the management, the same management that peddles credit, gambling and a host of cheap and gawdy trinkets to impoverished and ignorant Celtic supporters.
I suppose it could be much worse, our club could be run by people who exploit hatred as a means of raising turnover and profit.
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Ticketyboo,
I am sure the old Rangers boards were doing a "fine job to the best of their abilities" whilst participating in discriminatory employment practices too!!!
Well at least to the likes of you.
Would love him to take my statement to task,love it.
Then we would be able to watch him squirm when he was told,"he told me to" or "it was him and I was scared of him" don't work as a defence.
I am quite happy to let the evidence in the public domain do my work for me.
Having said that.
Celtic First is correct.
It is nothing to do with Paul.
I will confine myself to stating that his decisions had an effect,which even the likes of you,simply cannot ignore.
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Benny,your flippant comment is nonsense.
Don't recall either of them being invited on to the Celtic Board.
If he wasn't being offered a job with Celtic,there would be no comment whatsoever about the man on here.
Least not from me.
So I suggest you disengage your empty heid from your own anus.
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Kano,
If either Gerry or Martin were offered the job the very same people would be dancing in the street.Non?
The point I am trying to make is JR'S POLITICAL VIEWS HAVE THE SQUARE ROOT OF FEKK ALL to do with his suitability or otherwise for the post.
This is a sporting club not a political movement and as soon as people get that into their heads the better.
No offence intended
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Kano, You done the right thing. You do not know how powerful a man Dr Reid is.
and FYI - Decisions made at the very top level of government are NEVER made by one man. You named a specific person thats why you're statement was libellous. Unless you are in possession of documentary proof of course - which i very much doubt.
In any case the owner of the website would be the one to answer questions on providing platforms for libellous accusations and he wouldnt want that.
As i said - you done the right thing.
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It's that horrible afternoon time before the game when I can't concentrate on anything else!
So what's the team for tonight? Do we bring in another striker for JVoH or play with 5 in midfield? I would be inclined to start with the latter, which would probably stifle Milan. OK, maybe we shouldn't think defensively at home, but this is the European Champions we are playing.
I think a point is achievable tonight. Of course a win would be great too...
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Some might want to consider that Paul presents his views on Celtic and provides this platform for Celtic supporters without the comfort or cloak of anonymity.
...are we playing the European Champions tonight?
Chris
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Benny,haven't mentioned anything to do with his politics,and have no interest in them whatsoever.
And you are some sort of lunatic,if you think the people who disagree with his appointment would be dancing in the streets if either of the two men you mention were appointed to a position at Celtic.
Ticketyboo,I am quite willing to do the right thing,not because of what you said,but because of what Celtic First suggested.
The fact that one or five or ten people make decisions which result in death,does not dilute the responsibility by the factor of the amount of people involved.
Doesn't make the people only one fifth dead.
You are correct I did only mention him,he is the only one about to be appointed to the Celtic Board.
You would hear me too if Teflon Tony was to be offered a job there too.
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I wish we'd a game tonight, the blog is hard work when there's no football to talk about.
Celtic ON THE PARK is all that matters today, I know that the appointment of John Reid is foremost in people's minds and I'm not ecstatic about it either.
Celtic means something different to every one of us but surely today only one thing matters?
We've played Milan 6 times, never to have beaten them - 7th time victory then?
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Kano,
Believe me they would.
Saying you dont have a problem with his politics and then going on to denounce his actions whilst in govt are IMO 2 CHEEKS OF THE SAME AR$E.
If you are saying he is not a fit and proper person to hold this position then I must disagree.
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new article posted.
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Benny,your last sentence is fair enough.
Rest of what you spout is utter nonsense.
If you must comment on what I say.
Read it!!
You poor guy,
you still actually believe that people in governments let silly things like politics interfere with their jobs.
How quaint.
Anyway,enough of this for me,have said my piece for the time being but this is not the last you will hear.
I promise.
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p8ddy
I haven't the time today to get into a full debate with you, though there is plenty to talk about. I do however want to pick up on a few things in your post. You can have the last word on the other points, and indeed on these (well... probably!) if you choose to reply to this.
You say that referring to a long-conquered problem with booze is relevant because "it's relevant in establishing what motivates the man". As Manuel might have said... Que?
"John Reid's mud is very much in the present". Really? You don't mention any of it, so case my original point to you still stands, i.e. bringing up personal matters from years ago is unfair and inappropriate.
I made the point to you that the private behaviour of Celtic employees is their own business. You disagreed, on the grounds that "war criminals are most certainly not welcome at Celtic Park". War crimes are not private behaviour. Do you have a more relevant answer?
'Libertarian socialist' is a contradiction in terms. If you wish to define that contradiction away within your own personal lexicon, feel free. I guess we're both libertarians then. The only difference is that I'm a real one :-)
Your supposedly "allegorical" comments on JR's hypothesised behaviour were he to have lived in the 19th century are certainly not that. An allegory is a story that uses symbols or characters to express abstract ideas. Your historical fantasy was just that. But given your extraordinarily elastic approach to semantics, I'm sure you can find a way to call it an allegory. I shall call it "an unprovable and deliberately emotive argument designed to garner support for your political views as they apply to JR". That way we can both be happy.
Calling someone a hypocrite and a charlatan isn't a pesronal dig? OK, if you say so. I'll try it out at the pub tonight and let you know how I get on.
"The club are not a vehicle to express my politics. The club are an extension of my beliefs. The ethos of the club sits are the very core of my values. The fans were part of that too. A politically aware, socialist and educated support." p8ddy, surely you can see the hubris in all of this?
Your apparent desire to shoe-horn Celtic and all that it means into your personal belief system is doomed to failure. Celtic are not an extension of your or anybody else's beliefs, with the partial exception of Brother Walfrid. And the attempt to define a vibrant and wildly heterogeneous support into what looks suspiciously like your own "politically aware, socialist and educated" image is more sad than risible - although it is both.
Anyway, I hope we're both smiling tonight. I'm moving into football mode for the rest of the day, which is probably something I should have done at breakfast time.
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Hi everyone long time no post. Nice to see P8ddy still around the place.(can't disagree with you about Reid you'll be glad to know).
Logged on just to see what the mood was like ahead of tonight. Wished I hadn't after all the blather about the Gers last night.
What relevence the paucity of opposition in their group has to Celtic I'll never know.
Anyway 1-0 tonight let's have Killen score his first goal.
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Gordon J, 5 MAN MIDFIELD is so vital imo, that it demanded capitals :)
TMC, Celtic and 7 have always went well...
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"Back as bold as brass"
(CQN headline)
P8ddy, Grrrreat to hear from you. Long may you be so bold!
I disagree however with your take on John Reid. We forget how far we have come on from our part of the world. The same Lanarkshire that spawned and nurtured and gave to the world the Lisbon Lions has another famous son. A person that comes from a distinct and foreign world to that team and the club those eleven athletes represented, the political world. Like those eleven men John Reid has had to be ambitious, though unlike them his work has not involved goal-line clearances, throw-ins or darting shots but the social problems of Northern Ireland, crime and punishment and terrorism in our lives.
Without being disrespectful to John Reid, he was a puppet, at the beck and call of Tony Blair and his brigade. But how many Lanarkshire people have become Ministers of the National Government? Was Ramsay MacDonald from there?
Rather than relying on previous "connections" that John Reid may have built up during his political struggles, I agree with what Neil R referred to earlier about seeing the Celtic chairman tackling the media about their bias when reporting on the 'Tic.
Additionally Bhoymolloy wouldn't need to put up with Strachan being interviewed.
Celtic 3 Milan 3
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Been away for a few days and not yet caught up with the posts. Did see enough however to note that the ususal susapects are taking a good result by Rangers and using it to batter Celtic, although the connection escapes me.
Rangers deserve great credit for their result last night, and only the very churlish would deny them that.
However are we not the team on top of the league?
Have we not qualified and are embroiled in the Champions League campaign with some of the cream of the continnent?
Are we not scoring golas for fun?
Personally I would much rather have a season like this were being champions really will be an achievement by coming out on top of a group of good teams.
This Rangers team is not pretty but it is well organised and strong.
Hibs are capable of turning in a good string of results, and I still stand by my comment of a few months ago when I stated they could finish second this year.
Don't wirte of Hearts and Aberdeen just yet, and as we've painfully experienced the other teams are all capable of causing an upset now and again.
So I say great!...at last a competitive and challenging league for us to give everything to win.
If you want a stroll in the park every year like last year then go and steal lollipops from babies.
I like my football competitive and exciting.
Mon the Champions!
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Been away for a few days and not yet caught up with the posts. Did see enough however to note that the ususal suspects are taking a good result by Rangers and using it to batter Celtic, although the connection escapes me.
Rangers deserve great credit for their result last night, and only the very churlish would deny them that.
However are we not the team on top of the league?
Have we not qualified and are embroiled in the Champions League campaign with some of the cream of the continnent?
Are we not scoring golas for fun?
Personally I would much rather have a season like this were being champions really will be an achievement by coming out on top of a group of good teams.
This Rangers team is not pretty but it is well organised and strong.
Hibs are capable of turning in a good string of results, and I still stand by my comment of a few months ago when I stated they could finish second this year.
Don't wirte of Hearts and Aberdeen just yet, and as we've painfully experienced the other teams are all capable of causing an upset now and again.
So I say great!...at last a competitive and challenging league for us to give everything to win.
If you want a stroll in the park every year like last year then go and steal lollipops from babies.
I like my football competitive and exciting.
Mon the Champions!
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NeilR...
You say that referring to a long-conquered problem with booze is relevant because "it's relevant in establishing what motivates the man". As Manuel might have said... Que?
Like I mentioned in the previous post to that one (I'm assuming you read it, given you posted a response to it!) his motivation is self indulgence. He didn't give up alcohol for any reason other than he was given the ultimatum "Drink or politics".
"John Reid's mud is very much in the present". Really? You don't mention any of it, so case my original point to you still stands, i.e. bringing up personal matters from years ago is unfair and inappropriate.
Just because you don't know something doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Like I say, his mud is very much in the present. I'm not posting on CQN to air anyone's dirty laundry.
I made the point to you that the private behaviour of Celtic employees is their own business. You disagreed, on the grounds that "war criminals are most certainly not welcome at Celtic Park". War crimes are not private behaviour. Do you have a more relevant answer?
Are you inferring he committed his war crimes whilst an employee of Celtic? I took your point to mean he was a private individual before joining Celtic.
However, you mean private behaviour on his own time (any time outside work)?
OK...I'll ask you this - Graham Rix, Gary Glitter, Jim Torbett, The Krays, John Wayne Gacy, Peter Manual - should they all be given a fair hearing as to their suitability for jobs at Celtic Park? And if not why not? If what they get up to in their private time is of no relevance your answer can only be "yes"
'Libertarian socialist' is a contradiction in terms. If you wish to define that contradiction away within your own personal lexicon, feel free. I guess we're both libertarians then. The only difference is that I'm a real one :-)
Funny that - Wikipedia disagrees with you.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian
Whilst I don't agree with every facet of what they say, at least it lends substance to what I say.
I'll repeat - Just because you don't know something doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
Your supposedly "allegorical" comments on JR's hypothesised behaviour were he to have lived in the 19th century are certainly not that. An allegory is a story that uses symbols or characters to express abstract ideas. Your historical fantasy was just that. But given your extraordinarily elastic approach to semantics, I'm sure you can find a way to call it an allegory. I shall call it "an unprovable and deliberately emotive argument designed to garner support for your political views as they apply to JR". That way we can both be happy.
An allegory maybe wasn't the best description - in fact you're right, it wasn't an allegory at all. It doesn't mean that my point was wrong however.
Calling someone a hypocrite and a charlatan isn't a pesronal dig? OK, if you say so. I'll try it out at the pub tonight and let you know how I get on.
Just because people might take offense at a particular epithet it doesn't follow that it is personal abuse. I can call someone a hypocrite without it being argumentum ad hominem. John Reid is demonstrably a charlatan and hypocrite. Demonstrably.
"The club are not a vehicle to express my politics. The club are an extension of my beliefs. The ethos of the club sits are the very core of my values. The fans were part of that too. A politically aware, socialist and educated support." p8ddy, surely you can see the hubris in all of this?
Not at all.
Your apparent desire to shoe-horn Celtic and all that it means into your personal belief system is doomed to failure. Celtic are not an extension of your or anybody else's beliefs, with the partial exception of Brother Walfrid. And the attempt to define a vibrant and wildly heterogeneous support into what looks suspiciously like your own "politically aware, socialist and educated" image is more sad than risible - although it is both.
I disagree. I think it's laudible that a large number of Celtic fans are very well educated and prone to protest against oppressive regimes. It's not many grounds that will have people with knowledge of the basque conflict, the palestinian conflict and many others. Added to this the clubs commitment to protecting the weak, to social inclusion - all the way up to the vociferous refusal to play the race cars (again for the most part). I think the ethos of the club attracts a certain type of supporter, and encourages others to look more deeply into societal issues. Unless you are suggesting that the demographics are wrong? Or that Celtic don't have a traditionally left wing supprt (the National Stats office did some research into this in the 80's and found overwhemingly that Celtic fans were more likely to vote socialist and identify themselves as working class).
Anyway, I hope we're both smiling tonight. I'm moving into football mode for the rest of the day, which is probably something I should have done at breakfast time.
So do I (hope we're both smiling)!
The difference is that I'll be doing it with my eyes wide open!
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