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WG
Not only did you nick the 600th post of me from trhe last thread, but the 1st from this thread too!
Grrrr!
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tmc.
hold your c to your forehead for shafter (ooerr mrs)
hold your c to your hand for clapper.
nah forget it, hold your c in the air for we are all one in celtic.
dbbina.
can u make badges? ;-)
no handshakes please, ive got tendonitis.
soal
he certainly looked happy.
but im sure at that precise moment even sean south and madmitch
were jumping about their padded cells.
ed
i today, can bring myself to congratulate you on your teams result on tues.
i wonder why ;-).
and where are you gonna stand in this pillo'ried' pub?
or will your badge be on upside down ;-)
paul
badges. a wee money influx for the blog perhaps?
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paul67
excellent report, i also feel ancelotti's dignity after the game is worth a mention
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Paul,
I'm not complaining about the penalty incident last night. But what I would ask is, if that was a penalty, what happened to all of those similar incidents involving Chris Sutton, John Hartson etc, when opposition defenders seem to climb all over them?
Continental players seem to get away with what they want to. I'm convinced EUFA referees don't like British teams, as this bias happens a lot!
Either that or more silver crosses palms in Italy. Now that's never happened before, has it?
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Paul67 -
I defy you not to mention my OWN GOAL OBSERVATIONS OF THIS SEASON.
Re badges -
something simple like
CQN (in green, white and tenne) and for the divisons in black eg
CQN/MS
CQN/HC
CQN/ML2er
CQN/SD
CQN/G83er
CQN/Psych
CQN/Kerrang
CQN/Atheist
Edward's CQN badge will be in red, white and blue as follows -
CQN/Darnelist
or
CQN/KeepDuffield
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By the Paul, your last line....
That's my line!
Grrrr!
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They also failed to equal the Champions League record for consecutive home shut-outs by 22 minutes. I blame the board for their completely inept planning, how could they rob Celtic of such an historical achievement?
Paul67 - Excellent....but I fear your tongue in cheek has ruined a few of the mineshafters speeches for later....
Big Wavy
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MATCH REORT
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WeeMinger
You're right, we would, but we would be over-reacting.
What the fan did wrong amounted to invading the pitch. Touching their keeper in what has to be said a friendly manner is surely nothing to do with it - if Dida had not reacted like a complete fool then nobody would be talking about the incident and the fan would get a slap on the wrists for running onto the park.
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Thouhgt his was woth posting. From acmilan.com...
GLASGOW - The precedent of 1968-69 is no longer a record: after Pierino Prati, it's Kaká. The Brazilian was the second player to score for Milan at Celtic Park, doing so from the spot, and the first under Carlo Ancelotti's tenure. Kaká's goal, his first in this Champions League, did not bring a smile however. Even if it came on the Brazilian's 50th appearence in the biggest European football competition. In fact, Milan were defeated in Glasgow for the first time in their history, with a 2-1 defeat that appears undeserved and unlucky. The episodes penalise the Rossoneri, especially on the occasions the opponents scored.
The fourth meeting between the two formations was marked by the heavy rain, which never ceases to fall on the city and the Scottish stadium. Under incessant rainfall it's not easy to play football, particularly against this Celtic team, who were well organized, careful, and strongly encouraged by their public. The first half is played mostly in midfield, Celtic don't give away anything, while Milan always remained very precise and focused. That's why there were very few goalscoring chances to report. The Rossoneri try with Kaká and Seedorf from long range, while Celtic try do use the dead ball situations. But the first 45 minutes ended without goals and with few emotions.
The leitmotiv of the second half seemed to be the same as that of the first. To find more dynamism in attack Ancelotti tried to insert Gourcuff, who last year played possibly his best match with the Rossoneri in Glasgow. The Frenchman took Seedorf's place.
Chances continue to be few and far between, but then came the episode that changed the match and the result. It's the 62nd minute and McManus converted a chance from a corner kick move, even though he may have touched the ball with his hand. It was unexpected goal, but which brought about Milan's reaction.
Ancelotti's squad attacked the opponent more to find the equaliser. Which came on a penalty obtained by Ambrosini. From the penalty spot Kaká did not miss and found his first goal in this Champions League, his fifth of the season. After celebrating his 200th match in a Milan shirt against Catania last weekend, scores in his 50th Champions League game. And the number 200 appears again on the European front. It was the 200th appearence for the Rossoneri in the Champions League/European Cup.
But Milan were not able to celebrate the important target obtained: near the end of the match in fact came the goal by the Australian McDonald, in a move initiated by substitute Nakamura. It's not a good moment for us. The striker scored after Dida failed to hold on to an earlier shot. It was the Brazilian goalkeeper who was the protagonist in the final episode. After conceding the goal, Dida found himself face to face with a Scottish fan, who came on the pitch against the rules, touched the keeper on his face, forcing him to leave the pitch. Kalac came in his place.
In any case, following the match Milan announce that, as European Champions, they will not be appealing against Uefa after this episode. All the Milan group are interested in is getting past this difficult moment. Together.
Lubo.
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in green on a white background.
Mike-thanks for the update last night.Anybody but UEFA I would be confident it'll be a fine,but..
is that Scottish bloke[ex-SFA]anything to do with the disciplinary committee?
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Oops forgot two vital groupings
CQN/Espanophile
CQN/Coterie
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Malone19
I agree with that! I was of the opinion last night that Dida's reaction would count against him in much the same way as someone who 'simulates' theatrically. Hence the reaction of the Milan officials!
Well I hope so anyway!
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C'mon Paul own up.....were you that nerdy youth?!
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what is the reaction to shaktars win?
i think its bad news for us unless we can match it as if they win their remaining home games they will have 12 points and will surely qualify with that
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The Coterie wouldn't get a badge in case they jabbed themselves with the pin.
Also lurkers would wear their badges inside their jacket.
And The Bloggers from Oz would keep theirs in a wee pouch.
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Knowing that UEFA "take over" at Celtic Park for 3 or 4 days whenever there is a CL match, what is their role in the security/policing for the game(not looking for excuses or anything here, just interested).
Anyways, time we had a wee song for our manager: a wee chorus of "My Sweet Gord" anybody?
And there's going to be a show...
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malone19 - I really think the club have to show that this kind of incident won't be tolerated.
That's not to say that upon reflection in eg six months the lifetime ban could not be rescinded.
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DBBIA
What about us Londoners?
Pearly CQN Pins all over our jaikets?
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and wg can have a wee window in the back of his with a saints holy relic within.
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paul67 can have his with the single star above it this season and two above it for next...ive taken that too far.
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Well, we've beaten them all now.
An excellent result that left me feeling really proud of the bhoys. Our home record is astonishing, one to be very proud of.
A special mention goes out to Gary Caldwell who was fantastic, and Joe Doumbe, who considering his lack of matches, was excellent.
Dida should be ashamed of himself, but I doubt he will.
The incident took me back to Seville, and the antics of the Porto keeper (spit) who also embarrassed himself in front of the watching world with Oscar type acting skills when Alan Thompson 'assaulted' him.
If and when the 'supporter' is caught they should ban him for life.
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Right rev... Speaking of which...
Can someone PLEASE explain to me the significance of those stars above the badge? Why have we only got one, and our respectful neighbours got five?
Are they better than us or something?
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Mike it's cos Five Star is their favourite band.
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Hi Antsman,
They have two 'interesting' games coming up against a hurting Milan. Let's say they lose at the san siro and draw at home - 1 point.
We, on the other hand, have 2 games against the bottom club where we secure 6 points. You know we can do it now.
Their next destination is Celtic Park with us on 9 points already, Shaktar on 7 and Milan on 7. We'd be one win away from qualification with a match in milan spare !!
Glasscompletelyfulltoday csc
Big Wavy
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They were granted the 5 stars because they had wn 50 league titles I believe....
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PAUL67
Any news on Doumbe`s injury , i thought he was having a superb game last night before being forced off
as the greatest Lee Naylor critic :-
welcome back son , great effort and an all round professional performance
who needs left back cover :¬)_
last word to wgs
great tactics wee man
hail hail
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Reflections from one not at the game:
I wonder if we're evolving into a conventional British CL team? From what I can deduce, the atmosphere last night, and Celtic's performance, resembled Anfield witnessing a narrow Liverpool win over impressive continental opposition. If so, I for one would be sorry: we have to be a 'hot' team to do really well, we'll never be convincing grinders.
Fan on the pitch: By no means am I a mineshafter, but I can't see how we'll avoid a points/ground closure penalty on top of the inevitable massive fine, if only because this year has already seen an international match result overturned by UEFA as a result of a fan incursion. They cannot possibly justify their punishment of Denmark if they let us off with anything less. Also, I am not sure the sainted Brian Q was well advised to criticise the Milan goalie publicly.
Finally, I loved this from the AC Milan site's report: The fourth meeting between the two formations was marked by the heavy rain, which never ceases to fall on the city and the Scottish stadium.. It's 35 years since I lived in Glasgow, but I acknowledge the poetic, if not scientific, truth of the satement.
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Magic night. Suffering from an almighty hangover today.
Great performances from everyone, in particular; Doumbe, really proved himself, any word on his injury ? Caldwells placed shot to the corner showed how much he understands the game. Dida was unsighted and dived across the goal, not knowing exactly where the ball was going to arrive. That is why he parried it straight out to McDonald. Luckily it didn't fall to Killen, who was in an offside position.
The save from Boruc was also exceptional. A deflection on the shot totally changed the flight of the ball. This, coupled with the shot hitting the ground just in front of the keeper, on a wet surface, made it an extremely difficult save. To knock the ball over the bar in such circumstances was brilliant.
Fogra; Going forward in Europe, I see no problem in leaving either McGeady or Nakamura on the bench when its deemed necessary to close down midfield.
Fogra eile; Any supporter who knows the identity of the little pr$%k who thinks he can do as he pleases, has a duty to all the rest of us fans, to give his name to the relevant authorities and let him learn his lesson. He has besmirched the proud international name we achieved by our conduct in Seville
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is five stars on yer shirt not a shift leader in Macdonalds
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MikeTW10 :- Your star is to show that you have lifted the European cup/ C.L The 5 stars worn by Rangers are to celebrate winning 50 titles.
The answer to your question is yes. ;-)
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TheRightRev :- I thought I could stand square to both sides :-)
WG :- As long as the red white and blue on the badge isn't in the design of a target :-)
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Maybe Gordon Strachan had a point earlier about the wee drunken neds in our support.
Devil dogs and kestrel ?
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DeliaSmith
My thoughts are that it would all depend on what is in the referee's report. Every time I look at those clips, I try to have a look and see where the ref was at the time, and where his attention was, but you can't.
I'm guessing his thoughts were on the Celtic players celebrating in the corner with the fans!
In the game you mentioned, the ref couldn't help but notice what was going on, and that was also a deliberate assault! Ours was just the actions of a daft wee laddie (with unfeasibly long arms) who got overexcited!
BTW, he ran on to the pitch from where I was sitting on Saturday!Hope it wasn't my nephew!!!!!
Must ask my sister...
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I think they decided to go for the 5 stars as half a star for their Eurpoean Cup Winners' Cup win wouldn't look too good.
/Bishop B
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We should have 4 stars for our 40 then.
Apparently the happy slapper has handed himself in to Ronnie Hawthorne.
WG
CQN/Spart shurely!!!!
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Edward...
If that's the case then answer me this....
What at?
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Dear Edward
Not you, obviously, but there must be plenty among the Rangers support who would like UEFA to throw the book at Celtic.
Can you say what the mood is among this element of your support and what arguments they are putting forward as to why we should be be severely punished?
I'd be interested to know if anyone has come up with anything more coherent than Roddy Forsyth.
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The ref didn't see anything last night. He was ready to restart the game until it was pointed out to him that Dida was lying injured.
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Spirit - Spirit
a fantastic debut album and if any of you Led Zep fans want to know where they stole Stairway from then listen to Taurus (THE star sign by the way) -
WelovetheGreen
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I'm sure I saw that nerdy ghuy/stunner movie as recently as.....
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The only other thing about the incident which crossed my mind last night, is what if Dida suddenly found himself with some sort of cut to the cheek when he arrived in the dressing room? Remember Rocky? "Cut me Mickey! Cut me!"
I mean the big fella was so ashamed at being felled by a wee fella (albeit with unfeasibly long arms) that he couldn't even WALK off the pitch.
The Milan physios are not without blame either. Why didn't they just say to him, "Get up ya big [Insert Italian Expletive of choice]! There's nothing wrong with you!".
Or was their reaction just... "Get this big numpty aff! Rid neck by the way!"
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An article by Phil McNulty on the bbc website.
Celtic's win against AC Milan should stand alongside any of the great Parkhead nights - and yet the headlines will say something different.
And that is a real sadness as Gordon Strachan's side added another chapter to the recent Scottish success stories of the national team's win in France and Rangers' victory away to Lyon.
The debate will surround the brainless invasion by a single fan who reached out to AC Milan keeper Dida after Scott McDonald's last-minute winner.
First things first. No-one can or should condone any fan entering the field of play, even if it was all in a moment of ecstasy as Celtic stunned the Champions League holders.
Celtic must be punished and the fan involved must be banned from Parkhead.
But let's calm the talk of games being played behind closed doors or points being taken from Celtic.
And this is because we have to question the reaction of Dida to what was a stupid, but not dangerous, tap on the neck by an over-exuberant idiot.
The clues are in the pictures.
Dida was touched on the neck, and even set off in pursuit of the supporter for several yards before a light went on and he crumbled to the floor clutching the side of his head.
No excuses for the fan, but what followed was farcical, with ice packs being applied and Dida stretchered off - and stretching the point.
If this was the sort of physical contact that removes Dida from the field of combat, he will be safer staying at home in future, but well away from the feather-duster.
This was not an assault. Dida was not punched, although those who say the fan could have been carrying a weapon have a valid argument.
Referee Markus Merk reviewed the incident and refused to comment and Uefa has followed suit.
When they do, it is to be hoped that Celtic suffer a hefty fine for allowing the fan to invade the pitch, but surely there can be no more punishment.
Dida's reaction looked like opportunism in the extreme, and he should reflect on his behaviour with a level of embarrassment only just below that of the supporter who brushed against him.
In fact, while Uefa is studying the behaviour of Celtic's fan, they should also question whether Dida's own reaction also damaged the spirit of the game.
Celtic's win did their manager and players huge credit, backed once more by a fanbase that makes them almost invincible at Parkhead in Europe.
To allow one fool to spoil the whole party would be desperately sad.
AC Milan also have a genuine right to feel aggrieved at the lack of security that allowed the fan to enter the field of play.
But anything other than a Uefa fine for Celtic and a lengthy ban for the supporter would not be in keeping with the severity of the incident.
Common sense must prevail.
The first sensible article from the bbc over this fiasco. The comments from the likes of Gordon, Young and Forsyth have been hysterical, at last a thought out and balanced response from the beeb.
Radio Clyde however have taken hysterical to new levels with their reporting of the incident. Makes you wonder what their agenda is.
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see if it is on a website, please jist provide a link!
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As someone asked, and I was nervous meself, I checked that the suspension on yellow cards during the group matches kicks in after yellow card 3.
Skoosh Broon is one card away from being suspended. Can't remember if Skippy was booked in the Ukraine...
Big Wavy
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Paul67 - I thought Inter were the holders when we played them in Lisbon?
If you know your history? Back of the class boy.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/606/A27573230
sorry
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WG your anti semitic comment is disgusting. Remove it.
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Andrew,
Naw, that was Real Madrid, I'm afraid. Click Here
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Andrew,
Inter won the European Cup in 64 and 65. Real Madrid won it in 66.
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testing
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ardoch -
it's not disgusting, it's not anti-semitic, it's factual.
you guys are forever waiting to pounce on perceived failings of others.
So predictable I predicted it.
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Scottishleaf @ 12:47.
“granted” by whom?
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Call it what you like but it's still unnecessary and idiotic.
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Watched the game on RTE. Don't know who their pundits are, but they were only interested in the English teams. They knew nothing about Celtic, gave Celtic no chance, and had not a hint of empathy with Celtic. Said Celtic had no players who could score. Seemed wholly ignorant of Celtic's home record in the CL. And afterwards immediately announced that it was clearly a penalty, that refs should always give penalties inthese circumstances, etc. Unlike their coverage of the Man U game the night before, there was no interview with the Celtic manager - though they curiously showed one with the Chelsea manager. Palpable relief when they could leave the Celtic game behind and move on to highlights of the English teams. Very disappointing. Expected better. By the end of the evening we even wanted Chick Young back!
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Can someone please explain why the RTE presentation is surprising to them.
They know their onions there, and their onions grow if they have a potential audience of 55 million versus 5 million (simplistic I grant you, but that's tv executives for you - simple people)
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ardoch -
relevant to the stars on shirts topic I'm afraid, sorry to trample on your sensitive tootsies
WishyGentile
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Andrew...
When you get there, send Paul back up to the front again! P0)
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Our result is the lead story on the EUFA website just now.
http://www.uefa.com/competitions/ucl/news/kind=1/newsid=598222.html
Interesting to note that it mentions only the football.
Some nice pics of the action there too.
And how good was it to hear Seedorf say after the game how pleased he was to be back at Celtic Park again. Let that sink in for a moment. "Again". Remember when a regular diet of European football of any kind, much less against top class sides, was only a memory and a hope? I blame the board.
C'mon the Hoops.
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Deffo Real who won it that year with an all Spanish team.
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Benny...
Were the Real team of '66 all from Lanarkshire though?
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Yeah very relevant.
I suppose you could next mention Auschwitz cos Boruc is from Poland. Halfwit.
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miketw10 -
as Glasgow is historical capital of Lanarkshire (Hamilton is only the county town) we can and do claim the 1967 European Cup for the county.
Dumbarton cannot.
WishyGlobalchampions
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Simpson Glasgow
Craig Glasgow
TG ML2
Boab Glasgow
KB Hellsbells
Clark Chapehall
Jinky Viewpark
Wallace Twechar (fekkin great name bit not in the Bonkle league)
Chalmers Glasgow
Auld Glasgow
Lennox Saltcoets
Scores Glasgow 5 ML2 1
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Ardoch -
you're right again, almost half of Auschwitz is wit and guess what, you brought that place up not me.
Keep digging....
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Murdy - Rurglin
Stein - Burnbank
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WG
Glasgow capital of Lanarkshire??
Not having that mate.
and is Lanark not the county town of Lanarkshire surely not Hamilton a town full of mountebanks and strumpets in my experience.
Oh yes.
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Richard81
"granted" by whom is a good question, as far as I am aware Brazil started the trend as they wanted to remind everyone that they had woon the most world cups. I believe that FIFA and UEFA endorsed the idea and clubs are allowed to have stars above their badges to denote certain success.
In our case the star represents our European cup win, Aberdeen have two stars one for their Cup winners cup win and one for their super cup win. Rangers were the first club to win 50 league titles and were allowed the 5 stars in recogonition of this.
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If West Ham can claim the 1966 World Cup then Lanarkshire can claim the 1967 European Cup.
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think it's time to calm down about the pitch 'invasion'. I was as shocked (worried, sick, fascinated) as anyone about the incident at the time but I think overnight reactions from respective parties, AC, Celtic, the media, Uefa, should give us a clearer perspective.
This was a clearly stupid and immature act by a young over excited fan, that could result in enormously diproportionate adverse consequences for the club. That said I am dismayed by the reaction of so many CQN posters especially the lynch mob midset that has taken over this site. I would have sympathy for intemperate comments last night after the game but to carry this on today is surely self indulgent in the extreme.
All the vigilante boxes are ticked. From the reactionary epithets, 'cretin' 'scum', 'moron' to the blood lust calls to identify the offender and 'sort him out' by (offline) hardmen, to others advocating 'grassing him' up to the authorities. I think those advocates of 'shopping him' can be assured that the court punishment would be way out of proportion to the crime. A classic scapegoat scenario for sure. I am also dismayed that the concept of 'grassing up' sits so easily with so many people on CQN.
And a final thought. Whatever the callow youth last night was reponsible for it surely pales into insignificance with the war consequences of the actions of John Reid and his cohorts in the British government. What punishment have they had? So can we have some perspective please?
Incidentally Gabriele Marcotti, the much respected Italian sports journalist commented this morning that the Italian media and football public were more interested in the game and result than they were of the Dida/fan incident. He was high in his praise of Celtic - a view shared by the Italian media - and refuted any notion that it was a 'giant killing act. He said it wasn't the case of the 'plucky little Scots team' beating the Eurpopean champions but inferred that the two team were on a par, suggesting that Celtic are one of the best teams in Europe. Who am I to disagree?
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James mentioned it last night - could this have been the act of Revenge openly discussed by the fod? Got to be a possibility - I find it hard to believe any Celtic supporter would cover for this guy - the longer it goes without him being found the more likely it is that it was well planned in advance.
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benny -
regret to inform you Glasgow was ever in the county of Lanark. Matter of historical fact.
Hamilton is the county town. Fact.
Uly will have strong words for you. Fact.
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itz
this bhoy is a defo celtic supporter
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Hey now easy on the old Hamilton there fella...
Why I aught ah...
Mountebanks and strumpets yes, but they are my mountebanks and strumpets...
Wg - winning friends and influencing people as ever I see.
I am now going to write a rather large piece on Sky's coverage last night bear with me...
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Shellsuit - dog - lager, enjoy them.
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Im off to consult my Golden Treasury of Knowledge and then I will put some salt on your tail my boy.
WonnilGlasgow
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lanarkcelt,
Agree with you on RTe's very pro English agenda. When we played ManU last year, anchorman O'Herlihy sported the same bright red tie and pocket handkerchief as he had last night.
He just stopped short of donning a club scarf.
However, in fairness, Liam Brady tipped Celtic before the game, even though he said it was more from the heart than the head.But, many of us felt the same way.
I went over to Celtic Tv after the game for Celtic phone-in comment.
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Benny
I think Ecclefechan beats Bonkle and Twechar
WG, is this the Whistling Ploughboy you were referring to earlier?
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When at the games, I often find myself wondering why the club has to take the measure of having stewards line the pitch. I probably have a bit too much faith in people! In any case, last night was the reason. Celtic took every reasonable step that they could to stop anyone getting on the pitch. Surely the club cant be held resposible for the actions of one lunatic. We have an impecable behaviour record, it must count for something.
Credit to Milan, though. They seem to be acting very gracefully in the aftermath.
HA! Just seen that Rangers are 100/1 to win the European Cup... and we're 150/1! Ah!
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Ardoch,
the ehm.. Shellsuit, dog and lager... Do you have them in a sauce or just on their own?
Boil them? Mash them? Put them in a stew?
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Paul67,
fantastic summation. I normally only read and enjoy, but you tempted me out the woodwork with your perfection prose, and threw in a bit of Johnny Cash to boot.
Champions of Europe are we!!
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You can use them as a suppository for all I care.
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Benny/Mike
One of them was really from Argentina.
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WG
Lanark was the county town of Lanarkshire until local govt reorganisation in 1975.
I can assure my Golden Treasury is never wrong
Hamilton!!(rolls eyes)
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Scottishleaf,
I know the one star was brought out by UEFA to signify Big cup winners. I imagined rangers had brought out the 5 star thing on their own with no UEFA involvement. Anyway, how many wee wans are worth a big yin? :-)
I'm hearing a fan has handed himself into polis. (SSN)
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First off what a magnificent team performance last night, no failures and four exceptional displays. Our much maligned back four, the ones who were about to be found out on the big stage again, the one's who weren't good enough for the SPL never mind the CL.
Tactically we were spot on again last night. How many saves did the big man have to pull off?
Sean South,
Is there any chance at all that you may have opened your doom laden prophecy with a wee well done or how proud you felt about our team? Nope, nothing.
Bhoy Molloy,
Once again Gordon shows that he'll forget more about football than you'll ever know, you once again showed yourself as "speak first engage brain later type of guy"
It may just be that Gordon, seeing the players in training everyday, knows a wee bit more about how his players might react to being pitched into a game of this magnitutude and maybe even how good his fitness is.
I would love to see just one post from both of you, a wee thing really but it might go along the lines of....
"Gordon, you were right, I was wrong. Well done."
Go on you know you want to.
Pro - ly Mr Shankly
Con - Bruno
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WG - I object to your comment on the grounds that it was a rubbish joke. Don't remove, just be funnier please.
Ardoch - be specific, how is WG's comments anti-Semitic? You might think it's in poor taste to attempt to make light of the holocaust, that does not make it anti-Semitic in my opinion. That's simply your opinion. My opinion might be different; clearly WG's is.
By the way I know of people who would charge you of being anti-Semitic by virtue of not capitalising the word 'Semitic'. Be warned this is a hot kitchen!
Fantastic performance, wonderful result. Let the so-called authorities see sense. Comparisons with the Danish case are spurious - no one was attacked. A big fine at most, although I fear worse.
Mac (not PC) Grain - did you see what I did there?
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Piratecnic
If I was the person sitting right next to that eejit, I would have had no hesitation in 'grassing him up' as you put it.
If I was near to the vicinity of where he ran into the crowd, I'd have no hesitation in frogmarching him to the nearest security official.
You would have one lone idiot ruining it for many thousands of Celtic fans worldwide? He ruined it for me last night when he cheated me out of celebrating one of Celtic's greatest ever victories.
I honestly don't understand this 'honour among thieves' credo that you don't grass on your own! You do if it's for the right reason!
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Araquistain, Pachin, De Felipe, Zoco, Sanchis, Pirri, Velazquez, Serena, Amancio, Grosso, Gento
Think they were all Spanish
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Piratecnic 13.57 - im all for cutting youth some slack. Made an arse of myself more times than i like to remember.
However why should the actions of one potentially destroy the joy of many. Thats the selfishness of it.
We need to pre-empt anything UEFA might come up with. And an indeffinate ban is the least they will want to see.
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Bambi...
Even a "Gordon, well done!" would do me.
Ain't gonna happen though!
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a collegue in work who supports murderwell,
but seems to hate 'them' more than us, knew the
score and heard a fan had ran on and comfronted
Dildo.
he asked me the script this morning. i told him the
story. he then viewed on youtube and with no axe
to grind against either team said about the keeper.
"what an a*%$hole, he should get done for being at it.
but the physio or doctor or whoever has obviously told
him to stay down. therefor hes as culpable."
i fear we have not heard the last from ac milan on the
matter. whatever they are saying publically.
ac's midfield lost it when all they could do to try and
win back the game was assault donati and brown.
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Ardoch
Was that one of they places Kennedy was shot from? The Texas Book Suppository?
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Porridge,
Thanks for the BBC article. It is indeed balanced. Now that I have slept on the events of last night, and reviewed the fan invasion several times, I think the following reflects what happened and what will happen.
After the goal, McDonald ran into a corner of the field near to the fans; several celtic players followed. Most (all?) of the stewards ran into the corner fearing that fans may try to swamp the players and join in the celebrations. UEFA may sanction the actions of McDonald and the players that celebrated so close to the fans. I do not say that they should, but I think that they may see it as inflamatory.
When the stewards left their allotted positions, it created an opportunity for the fan to run onto the park. I believe the fan and his actions were not malicious, but they certainly could have been, and Dida would have been defenseless. UEFA will view the incident in this light. As to Dida's actions -- I agree that he probably simulated/over emphasised his "injury", but this is the same player who was hurt by a firework in a previous more serious incident. UEFA will be sympathetic to this. The fact that the two incidents involve the same player being "attacked" will weigh heavily with UEFA.
Clearly there was a serious breach of security last night. The fact that it did not result in serious injury to a player, is more good luck than anything else.
Given the nature of the punishment awarded for the previous incident, I fear that Celtic will receive a severe punishment. Look at the nature of the previous punishment, it contained two aspects--a fine plus a ban on fan attendance. A similarly structured punishment will surely be imposed on Celtic, unfortunately.
However, the incident raises two broader issues. What actions need to be taken by Celtic to prevent fan invasion in the future? Secondly, should a football club be held reasponsible for the actions of a few lunatic fans who cannot control themselves?
I hope that the individual has enough brain power to recognise that he has tarnished one of the finest performances by a Celtic team.
Rebus
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Richard81
Quality post :-)
I would imagine any Rangers fan would swap the 5 they have for the one we have!!
Apparently you are allowed a star for every 10 league titles won.
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What seems to be annoying me is that the media are making it out that the boy ran on the park with the intention of harming Dida, while they way I saw it was the boy was running over to the far side to join in the celebrations with the players.
Dida was merely in his road, the boy tapped him and continued running towards the celebrations. It was stupid in the extreme, but not a deliberate attempt to get at Dida.
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Cant do the link im afraid but it looks as though the trumpet from last night might have had a rush of conscience
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/glasgow_and_west/7028169.stm
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Statement from Celtic:
http://www.celticfc.net/news/stories/news_041007141416.aspx
Not a 'boy', but a man of 27. Immediately banned for life and surprise surprise not a season book holder!
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statement from celtic football club
Gregor Kyle
THE individual who entered the field of play at last night’s match against AC Milan has made himself known to Celtic Football Club and will now be banned for life from attending Celtic matches.
After approaching the Club to identify himself, the 27-year-old male, who is not a Celtic season book holder, has today been interviewed by Club representatives. Following this interview, the individual has been taken into custody by Strathclyde Police. The Police will now continue their enquiries into this incident.
Celtic’s Chief Executive, Peter Lawwell commented: "Clearly, Celtic take this issue extremely seriously and it is satisfying that this individual has been identified so swiftly. The individual in question has now been banned for life from attending Celtic matches, both home and away.
"Outwith this incident, the Celtic support last night was phenomenal and I would like to thank our fans once again for their wonderful backing. Our fans have a tremendous record of positive support for the Club at home and abroad, something which has been recognised by both UEFA and FIFA and we are sure this will continue.
"It should also be said that Gordon and his team deserve enormous praise for achieving one of the most famous results in the Club's history, against the current Champions of Europe.
"Celtic Football Club enjoys a fantastic relationship with AC Milan and we are sure this will continue."
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Our 'friend' William Gallard's quote seems a little ominous - "I don't want to presume anything. There is a whole range of possible punishment. But, of course, there are precedents for the same kind of incidents."
The one hope would be that it is interpreted more as a 'Rangers' pitch invasion incident than a Danish referee assault.
I think that Brian Quinn has done the right thing in going public - if Friday is the first hurdle to cross then best to get our retaliation in early.
BBC national news reported BQ's comments and again showed the aerial camera view that seems to strongly imply Dida making an @rse of himself.
However, who knows what Milan are saying behind closed doors?
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At 04/10/07 14:35, the long wait is over said…Cant do the link im afraid but it looks as though the trumpet from last night might have had a rush of conscience
Oi! Lay off trumpets! And the lot o yeez - lay off Hamilton an'all...
ML3 Brass Section.
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Rebus,
Let's be honest, you've no idea what's going to happen next. Same as me and everyone else on the board. We are in that deathly waiting phase at the moment waiting for the suits and we all are clutching at the hopeful signals (milan, favourable newspaper articles) and trying not to get downbeat from the tabloids and some folk on here.
How could Skippy in front of his own fans be inflammatory ? Of course the fan wasn't malicious. Some misguided dafty who was sky high on emotion / booze who thought a close up GIRUY to Benfica's keeper would be a laugh. There isn't a football fan in the world who doesn't see Dida's action as playacting, not some mental blackout that UEFA's shrinks will have analysed given his previous.
If the club get anything remotely looking like a ban on fan attendance it'll be a travesty of justice. Nothing short of.
But I could do without the courtroom dramatics from some posters. Let's wait and see.
Wavy
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Ulysses yes I do believe that is where the lone gunman shot his load from.
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PROS:
..Drebbin, Police Squad
Eintracht...
...Black, Pixies
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The Parkhead Pimpernel
Old William Gaillard at UEFA's seen plenty of tough cases but nothing like the sickening act of violence that put a World Cup and Champions League winning goalkeeper out of football for possibly hours.
The lethal nature of the blow inflicted on Dida by the Buckfast-fuelled trespasser will surely not help Celtic's cause. The speed, precision and force of the blow were such that the television cameras did not even pick up its full impact.
Such was the stealth at which the (surely black-belt martial art practising) assailant inflicted his attack that Dida himself did not realise the grievous pain he was suffering for several moments. The brave goalkeeper gave chase, reacting like the true warrior he is, but his highly trained adversary had the fleet of foot to evade Dida's vengeance, escaping just as the crippling pain began to invade the unfortunate Brazilian's nervous system.
The timely intervention of AC Milan's doctor stabilised Dida's condition, and he is believed to be recovering well, though dropping in and out of consciousness. Seemingly, in lucid moments, he desribes his assailant, muttering "he was so pished," or words to that effect.
So who was this Parkhead Pimpernel, this Glaswegian Bruce Lee? No-one knows, but bystanders did report a shadowy figure disappearing down the London Road carrying what apparently was "a kebab of some sort."
A fearful football world turns its eyes to UEFA.
Courtesy of Tom's Sporting Almanac
http://tomssportingalmanac.blogspot.com/2007/10/parkhead-pimpernel.html
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McGrain -
sorry amigo, I'm like Lee Naylor, struggling for form just now
Ardoch -
let's be chums
Uly -
you tell 'em (L 3)
miketw10-
whit the feck ?
benny -
Glasgow was in Lanarkshire.
Hamilton IS the county town of Lanarkshire.
We're the only county in Scotland to win the European Cup.
Your Golden Treasury has lost its sheen. Cue for a song.
Embra Bhoys - don't even go there.
WhoisGoinfuraweekip
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trumpet -
MAJOR PRO - Black & The Catholics.
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WG: Oh yes! :-)
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Benny, aye, true for you. I was thinking of di Stefano.
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numpty
being questioned by police
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Fantastic performance. Every player whould be reminded of this game before each and every game. The players that humbled Milan at Celtic Park are still the same players away from Celtic Park. Believe.
As for the 'incident', there can be little doubt that we deserve some form of punishment for letting this moron on the pitch, but UEFA has to keep this in perspective. It wasn't the violent assault that Dida made it out to be, it didn't affect the result in any meaningful way and Celtic have had their fans' good behaviour repeatedly acknowledged by UEFA themselves in recent seasons.
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Big Wavy,
You are correct. I do not know what will happen, but I do have an opinion. Like you, I have the right to state it.
I have had very few (thankfully) attempts at theatrics and the above was not one of them.
Let's remember our exchange, particularly in the light of what transpires.
Slante,
Rebus
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Rev Davie, thanks for the idea, but I am far too lazy to organise merchandise, even for modest financial gain.
Antsman, agree, Carlo, take a bow.
Winningemmell, maybe Stephen managed to scare the guy?
I like some of those badge ideas. Financial gain does not push buttons, but humerous identity does.
Miketw10, Johnny?
JGB, never!
Pfayr, no news on Doumbe.
Andrew, Real Madrid were holders when we played Inter in 1967, I do know my history :-)
WG, predictably, deleted.
Themadmurph, cheers.
ArdRi1014, I did not receive mail from you, please send again via the About page.
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Off topic I know but does anyone else wish John Smeaton would GTF?
What gives this baggage handler the right to lecture the public on issues from Princess Di conspiracies to Politics?
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Your'e a persistent blighter WG I'll give you that.
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Still hoping that UEFA look upon us kindly.
And while Gary Caldwell might not be evrybody's favourite right back he might be the ideal opponent for Elbows McCulloch.
Paul you may have knocked back the opportunity re merchandise but I fear the clb have missed out on a great opportunity. Surely they normally have a DVD out for last nights game by now.
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LATEST: Celtic bans fan for life after on-pitch incident during AC Milan game. More soon.
according to bbc
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Rebus,
No problem fella. Bit clumsy of me on the language so apologies and wasn't trying to deny you the right to your pitch or accuse you of theatrics.
I suppose we've just got to watch this space, hope that the powers that be behind the scenes at celtic do their magic and this doesn't end up as enormous egg on our faces aftre the high of last night.
Surely the police involvement won't prompt an assault charge, will it ? Beach of the peace maybe but assault ???
Big Wavy
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celtic statement
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The statement ticks all the boxes for me.
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Just read this from News Now - seems that Dida isn't finding much support in Italy either...
Daily Mail
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Porridge&Bananas:
re, Smeaton. Haven't seen any articles, but I can imagine. The pitiful excuse for reporters on the Scottish tabloids obviously have the poor guy on speed-dial.
I honestly think he'd welcome being allowed to return to his normal life, but they won't allow it.
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Wonderful day in Glasgow. The sun is shining- it really is. It's a day when you can feel at peace with yourself and set aside time to make peace with your enemies.
O.K. here goes! In no particular order of enmity.
1) My campaign to Free the Jock Stein Lower Stand 1. Well, not exactly free him but give the incident some perspective. He invaded a pitch and touched a player with as much malicious intent as our fan displayed toward El Hadj Diouf when he invaded the stands at Celtic Park.
For political reasons, he needs to be given a lifetime ban from CP, a court charge and a hefty fine. I hope that, with a suitable passage of time, the first and most serious punishment can be rescinded.
2) AC Milan. This is going to be easier. the anger I felt toward their team last night, as they simulated injury all over the pitch and hauled down McGeady and Brown at the first sign of any advantageous break, has already dissipated. Clarence Seedorf, winner of the CL with 3 different clubs, was already one of life's heroes. He is now in line for sainthood. Class, such as he displayed in his post match comments, reflects so well on him as a person.
3) Journalists and Commentators. I knew nothing of the controversy until I got into the car taking me to the pub after the game. My unbridled joy quickly subsided as I heard Chick et al use phrases such as "Celtic are not out of jail yet" (this after he had heard the milan post match comments downplaying the incident). Still, this afternoon, their spoken words are heading off to the ether and the printed one are heading for the landfill site or a more functional future as a wrapping for chips. Incidentally, how many of us found the babelfish translation of the Italian match reports on the previous thread, far more coherent and grammatical than anything Darryll Broadfoot produces?
Even Graeme Souness, whose face spoke volumes about the pleasure he took in last night's result, would not use the Dida incident to his advantage. He spoiled it a bit by opining, for the 2nd year in a row after an AC v Celtic match, that AC were a "spent force".
Still, if you're in the forgiveness business it's a hard shift, so Darryll and Graeme get a blessing too.
4) The anti- WGS brigade among our own support. This one will require a separate post to itself.
More nonsense in a minute.
Benny Diction csc
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what about CQN nailclippers
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Bryce Curdy,
You said earlier that not getting in any other full backs has now cost us dearly with Doumbe being out.
How many right backs do you expect us to have?
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At 04/10/07 14:48, Ragnar said…
croydoncelticpunk 02.26
You or anyone else who tries to defend this individual, or trivialise his actions should be ashamed of themselves!!!!
He, as you so flippantly put it, not a jaunty clown. He is a brainless moron!!!!!! I hope Celtic and indeed the local constabulary do their worst!!!! which is as nothing compared to the punishment I would dish out!!!!!
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Read through some posts from last night and I cant believe the bandwagon jumpers having a go. I NEVER said a bad word about last nights result and in fact was delighted.
Unless youse read all the posts then zip it. Lets get it STRAIGHT, I was happy with both the performance and the result. My only issue was the logic behind playing Jarosik, but I guess there is just too many lazy posters on here.
Any apologies, youse know who you are?
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Bhoy Molloy,
Lazy posters???
So you think Gordon got it wrong by playing Jiri last night? How often did Oddo get into a one v one with Lee Naylor? Who would you have played at left mid in a 5 across the middle formation?
Why are you posting on a blog and yet Gordon Strachan is overseeing a win against the European Champions, when it is plain to see that you would have got it right and Gordon yet again got it all wrong.
You sir are a buffoon.
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Big Wavy,
No problem. My language looks a bit pompous on a re-read.
I hope it all goes away(quietly). I suspect that any charges could be laid but will be at the discretion of the police.
It looks like the lad had the guts to come forward to take his medicine. I no longer live in Scotland and watch the games via the Web, but if I did live there, I would be crushed by his ban.
I hope Doumbe is not badly injured. From what I saw, he dropped with nobody near him, as he turned. Could be a hamstring or pulled muscle--hope not, because he looked good last night. I also thought the twin towers in the centre of our defence looked good. Caldwell's placed shot to the corner was class.
Rebus
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Good news?
"Sources close to European football's governing body say there is no likelihood of the result of the match - which Celtic won 2-1 - being changed as a punishment."
an update from Sporting Life
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I think you need to seperate out the different elements form last night's incident. I think UEFA will.
Offence 1
1. A fan entered the field of play. This will be punished. Legal actions tend to look for precendent and UEFA have this. We will be punished accordingly.
2. UEFA, like courts, take into account circumstances. CFC will be a 'first offender' and are of previous good character, therefore precendent punishment will be appropriate.
I would expect this to be a modest fine.
Offence 2
1. The said individual struck a player.This will be punished. Legal actions tend to look for precendent and UEFA have this. We will be punished accordingly.
2. UEFA, like courts, take into account circumstances. It is clear that there was little or no intended malice in the actions of the individual and no intention to disrupt or alter the game. CFC will be a 'first offender' and are of previous good character, therefore precendent punishment will be appropriate.
I would expect this to be a hefty fine, a serious censure and a 'notice' of future conduct.
The fact that Dida has tried to gain access to the WWF Circus will have no bearing whatever on the above.
It is doubtful whether his actions will be looked at since they have no material bearing on either of the two offences above. UEFA should look at and deal with his simulation but probably won't. It's a seperate issue.
Finally, Celtic should learn from the RFC Osassuna affair. RFC went immediately into action and continued a vociferous campaign seeking to pass the buck. This was very successful and resulted in a paltry punishment.
Celtic need to act accordingly.
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At 04/10/07 15:30, bambi said…
Bhoy Molloy,
Lazy posters???
So you think Gordon got it wrong by playing Jiri last night? How often did Oddo get into a one v one with Lee Naylor? Who would you have played at left mid in a 5 across the middle formation?
Why are you posting on a blog and yet Gordon Strachan is overseeing a win against the European Champions, when it is plain to see that you would have got it right and Gordon yet again got it all wrong.
You sir are a buffoon.
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You are a perfect example of what I'm talking about. You are an arse.
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WG
You said something earlier about a ploughboy on a four leaf clover, or something like that, which I can't find now.
Think I'm going loopy!
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Bhoy Molloy,
Wow what wit.
So can you explain in what way Gordon got it all wrong last night?
Did Jarosik suffer badly because of a lack of match fitness?
Did Jarosik make any bad mistakes which showed the decision to play him was a mistake?
Does Gordon Strachan actually know a lot more about football than someone like yourself, who has proved time and time again that you wouldn't even be allowed to manage a subbuteo team.
Go on chief, give me coherent answers.
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Bhoy Molloy,
Ok, I'll bite……..
On a momentous night for the club when the team (to a man) played out of their skins and beat the champions league holders, here, Monsieur Molloy are some of your best moments :
On JJ : That is crazy. Dropped all season and then rolled out for this. Strachan is losing it.
Big Wavy : Does hindsight still prove he lost it ?
On JJ (again) : How about the suits demanded he plays to up his price tag?? Was he not linked with a few premiership clubs just this week???????????
Coincidence??
On JJ (again and again) : Lets me post this now before the match. If Jarosik pulls a rabbit out of his arse and has a blinder ( which would be a major surprise) then I will not buy a masterstroke claim for Strachans tactics.
On GC : Ah nah, Caldwell will now be RB for the next few months
On pure unadulterated begrudgery : As for the game. Great result, but you can see how Milan are struggling this season in Serie A.
And finally back to good ole JJ : Oh BTW Jarosik had a good game and I never said otherwise. I have been simply questioning the logic behind the decision to start him after so long out of the first team plans. JJ has admitted himself he should be at Kiev I am not forgetting his scouting mission for Spartak Moscow
Bhoy Molloy, on a night when pre-match, during the match and post match the average celtic fan would be expected to get behind the team and then recognise the enormity of our win, and the boss's tactical genius behind it, you spent the night whingeing about tactics, JJ, right backs and of course a poor Milan team.
Go on, tell us the real reason. You are thinning on top aren't you :)
Big Wavy "Soon to be termed an arse as well woo hoo"
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Paul...
Johnny Cash indeed and his wee pal Sue!
Our man uses a different set of names at each performance!
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100% in agreement with the statement from the club. A life ban is the correct punishment for the club to give - and not just as a "look what we did" statement. He deserves the ban for his stupidity.
Let's just hope that UEFA take it in context and fine us for the security breach but stop there. Until we know it is an anxious time for us all.
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Mike
try starry plough
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Thanks Big Wavy you saved me a lot of work.
Read away Bambi.
Gordon Strachans gamble on JJ worked. The team played well and got a superb result, but Milan were not anywhere near a sharp as the last time they came to Parkhead and that was clear to see.
The thought of Caldwell now starting at right back is not a pleasant one and I think even Paul67 got the fear about that last night.
So, thanks again Big Wavy.
So moving along. Is JJ back in the managers favour. Will he now not be sold in January? Will he start the next game?
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Big Wavy - what are you doing biting on that one? No one talking to you:>) What about my comment from the Sporting Life - they sound like they have an inside source - do you think we will get away with a fine?
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tbc
4) The Mineshafters with a public and personal dislike for our manager. This is not directed at any CQN poster as I find most of them able to post reasons, albeit some are outrageous ones, to describe what they think is wrong with our club and its current management. I am entertained by the posts of p&ddy, tinytim, Neg Anon, Sean South & Bhoy Molloy etc; and have no need to forgive them as it would be patronising to consider that any had committed any serious offence.
No, I am talking about the fans in the pubs, supporter buses, other websites, and in the stands at Celtic Park, who shout out " Strachan, you're a numpty/digrace to celtic/ hun/ board puppet" etc;
I have great difficulty in understanding what motivates people in that direction. If we were a losing club with a patently unsuccessful management team, I could understand though I'd still have problems with their, to me, non Celtic-minded approach to producing a change in our fortunes. I worry that we have become stereotypical "fans of a successful team" with more than a trace of arrogance creeping into our expectations as to how we should never ever suffer a reverse against lesser teams. When we couple that arrogance with the fear induced by 2 recent avoidable last day losses in the SPL, we have created a recipe for hitting out and scapegoating.
I moved seats this year. the area I had been in were mostly supportive of the team with only a sprinkling of the critics. In the area I have moved to, 439, there are a few more and they are very public and vocal. One of them sits directly behind me and has bugged me all season. He was shouting "Strachan, you absolute coward" from minutes 45 to 61 last night. He had noticed, as had we all, that there was a very strict breaking plan last night which saw us, on our rare attacks, going forward with, at most 4 men and being heavily outnumbered by Milan defenders. We chose not to break quickly and our full backs and midfield never lost this discipline which was aimed at avoiding counter attack damage.
Now, instead of seeing this as well informed strategy, rope a dope, or generally not playing into the hands of AC, he saw it as cowardice, a betrayal to Celtic, and a further indication of our manager's failings. And boy did he not keep those views to himself.
My moment of epiphany came at 62 minutes last night when Donati, Big Mick, an AC defender and Skippy combined to make an ugly sclaffed goal a thing of rare beauty. I turned round with a big shouted GIRUY directed at him. An unworthy reaction from me but I was just as pent up and frustrated by him as he was with some imaginary caricature of WGS. Thankfully my reaction was probably lost in the tumult of excitement, cuddling and back slapping that ensued. But, I watched his face for the remainder of the match. Edvard Munch could not have done justice to it. There was an extreme rictus as competing emotions fought for supremacy in his fizzog. I could see elements of joy and elements of rage mixed in with sheer confusion as to how this was not panning out as his world view said it should. I realised then that he could never enjoy this as much as I would. He had not given himself permission to be happy. So what more element of misery could I add to his life by sharing my opinion of him? I'd be better off maintaining my joy and not letting his negative energy siphon it off.
I realise as I finish typing this that it's hardly forgiveness I'm offering here. I still have work to do before I get there but, if in the course of one sunny afternoon, I can forgive a 27 year old numpty whose life will be hell for a while, AC Milan's repertory company, Graeme Souness and Darryll Broadfoot, I think I've moved on quite far.
My magnanimity might only last to the next Benfica match or even to Sunday, if Gretna do to us what we did to AC, but I will enjoy the next few days more than my troubled companion in the seat behind me at Celtic Park can ever know.
It's good to be a tim.
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Bhoy Molloy,maybe,mabe not.
Regardless,you will see a reason to knock.
When you breath,type,utter words,this is what you do.
If you find it enjoyable or fun,good on you.
But I don't think for a minute this is the case.
You,are quite content to be miserable.
Let me just say this.
I hope,for everybodies sake,that you are single.
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Re Smeaton do you think if it was life long Celtic fan Chick would have commented on thug conducting racially aggravated assault in Paisley on a Satrday afternoon.
On the man himself Andy Warhol forecast this before I was born. Although he obviously underestimated at 15 mins.
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Bhoy Molloy,
Please please...I couldn't possibly take the credit for such drivel.
Let me reassure you the words are yours, the clear intent for all to see was that by your reading we stumbled into a victory by virtue of a poor milan team with little or no tactical nous on show from Gordon, who just got lucky.
That fella is your perogative, but don't be surprised if some of us on here hold the manager's contribution in somewhat higher esteem in terms of last night and over the last couple of seasons.
You'd be much more credible on here if you moved away from your principled dislike of the manager and took the game on its merit.
Yours in Celtic
Big Wavy
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Bhoy Molloy
You must have some real good fun with yourself! At least you would understand yourself.
According to most people Gordon pulled off a masterstroke by playing JJ. According to you Gordon was lucky to get away with gambling on JJ.
Do you not think that Gordon notices certain things while he takes his players out training? Or do you reckon he just guesses what will happen like what you or I would do while playing Championship Manager 07?
I've got good news for you on that front. Managing a real football club is a demanding job, due in no small measure to the manager having to know the fitness levels, dietary arrangements and training regimes of ALL of his players. Not to mention their mental states. Then they have to decide who their best 11 will be on the park at any given time. That's why they get paid vast sums to do so. And here's the good news... They don't GAMBLE on players. They make informed decisions!
Aren't we lucky that we've got one of the best? And that's the best news of all...
Go on, admit it! You know you want to!
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Doumbe has a ruptured achilles.
2 Full backs down....
Crystal ball.com
31003? No so panicky noo eh?
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After such a momentous result last night there appears to be a fractious frisson amongst some?
I'm still smiling and can't wait to get the re-run tonight!
Hail to a great team performance where everyone played their part!
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Great to hear Clarence Seedorf have a few compilmentary words about the Celtic support. I know his publicist and she works very hard to get him in front of the press. She told me that when Scottish television interviewed him prior to our match in Milan, they treated him like gold. I'm sure he's getting the message about how much we appreciate our football. It would great to have him do a cameo in the Hoops and perhaps become the only player to win the big cup with four teams.
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Bhoy Molloy,
Right, so we were lucky last night then? Lucky to face the European Champions when they weren't on top form. Well that's just taken the shine off the result for me.
Do you reckon we were lucky to face Inter in 67 at the right time because Luis Suarez was injured.
The fact that Gordon played Jarosik last night despite trying to sell him in August is neither here nor there. It would be a dereliction of duty if he didn't play him because of that. He may well play Bobo at some point this season given that he is available for selection as he is a signed player.
I don't see your point really. Last night you reckoned it was a board ploy to play him so he could go in the shop window.
I'll ask you the same question I asked Bryce Curdy, how many right backs do you think Celtic should have? Do you think two is too few?
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bambi at 14.15
Your comments saved me the trouble - thank heavens.
With BH his agenda (pathologically anti- Gordon Strachan)consistently clouds his judgement and his enjoyment of what has been and will be achieved under Gordon's stewardship. Nothing will satisfy him and every team selection is just more grist to his mill to find a reason for another whine.
Said before the match that I was delighted to see JJ selected and that I liked the look of the team. I wasn't wrong and neither was Gordon. Still licking my cream.
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Itz,
Drat...Apologies...last night's one hour of sleep is clearly hitting me now......
I'm praying that tomorrow gives us closure on the penalty and I hope it's a fine and a censure but nothing more.....
Big Wavy
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the anger has died down, now.
i think rather than hanging the lad. he should maybe do 2000 hours community service. cleaning parkhead. or fixing the roof !!!
and im serious too.
as for the comments made, about mr souness having a pleasureless face.
that is his face, and if guys on here could take their paranoia somewhere else. thenthat would be nice too.
i watched his every word. as i think he knows his stuff.
he didnt wax lyrical about our performance,
but then neither have we.
he did say milan in his opinion are a spent force.
why disagree with him ?
they havent spent anything. so therefore they havent improved their team.
IMO graeme souness trie to play down the situation, being a former footballer.
richard keys being the presenter tried to play it up, but the football guys werent biting.
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as for dida !!!
well i have said my bit on that.
but he will undoubtably need a shrink now.
they will go down the road of a goalkeeper being scared to play and cant focus on the game. because of fear of attack.
and quite rightly too IMO
and anyone who doesnt think this is living in another world.
the difference between the fan chaining himself to the goals. and our fan is night and day.
so there will be at least 1 match where we will all be watching on tv !!!!!!
and that isnt some celtic paranoia
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Has anyone acknowledged Milan's placatory comments through their website.
Boy Molloy,
I would have thought that in the cold light of day you would have reflected on being the second biggest clown from last night. The first has apparently given himself up. But no, your still the same clown today.
Oh, and I didn't misspell your nom de plume. I confiscated your "H" for posts unbecoming of a Celtic supporter.
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ian wright and adrian durham phone in on talk sport both them saying celtic have went OTT banning the fan for life and are heavily criticising Dida for his over reaction
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Mackybhoy,
I hear what you are saying about last night's coverage but Souness in my opinion is a grade a clown.
He said the very same thing last year after they had played us. "They will not win this tournament, they have'nt enough special players to win the games that they struggle in. They don't have as many special players as Man United, Chelsea etc."
One year he may get that right.
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Help!
Can anyone explain this to me?
My friends and I have our seats against a wall. Its great. You can stand up every now and then to stretch your legs without blocking anyones view.
Last night however, just after Skippy scored that wonderful goal, and when the whole stadium was on its feet, a "steward" asked us to sit down. Apparently a new SFA directive prohibits people with seats at the back from standing. In other words, you have a seat so you must sit, even if you are causing no obstruction whatsoever.
Anyone else heard of this?
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SFTB - Nice one. Thanks for sharing your thoughts
Kano - :)))
Paul67 - Good article - reflected many of my own abservations posted last night:)
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31003
Tell him you have to worry about Deep Vein Thrombosis.
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Off to see everyones favourite Celt the Big Yin in Brighton this evening
do you think he will mention last night!!??
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Paul -
that's two firsts for me on the one thread.
A season of records indeed.
No problem. Your blog, your rules.
WG (crosshanders, ML2)
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SFTB, your ‘friend’ behind you experienced something I have noticed. When people believe something about Celtic with all their might, evidence suggesting they are wrong hits right to the core. As such, it is often rejected, for to accept it undermines a secular type of belief structure, indeed one that often manifests in non-secular belief structures.
Can I suggest you share this paradigm with him at the next home game, I am sure his other friends must already have made the same observation to him.
Bambi, on luck:
“We must believe in luck. For how else can we explain the success of those we don’t like?” Jean Cocteau.
31003, ‘you must sit’ has been a rule for some time now. It is a police rule, nothing to do with the league, and cause a bit of an issue at Old Trafford a few years back, when the local council threatened to reduce capacity if fans did not comply.
Thanks mncelt.
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14:16, miketw10
"If I was the person sitting right next to that eejit, I would have had no hesitation in 'grassing him up' as you put it."
I am old enough to remember when supporters were invited by the police and the clubs to 'shop' other supporters if they induldged in missile throwing or other acts of hooliganism. I recall some of these incidents and the reaction of the 'public spirited fans' was completely infectuous. A few pointed fingers in the particular direction of a missile thrower increasing to several dozen indiduals pointing fingers in a general direction. Inevitably plods weighing in to the crowd and coming out with the wrong 'culprit'. It was mob (herd) reaction at its ugliest.. all those pointing fingers....
"If I was near to the vicinity of where he ran into the crowd, I'd have no hesitation in frogmarching him to the nearest security official."
Miketw your public spiritedness and self-policing awareness are commendable. Would that there were more supporters like you. I am afraid when I tried to behave in such a way at a recent Celtic game, intervening to stop offensive singing, I was left very much alone to get on with it. There wasn't much public spiritedness to be found among my fellow supporters on that particular occasion.
"You would have one lone idiot ruining it for many thousands of Celtic fans worldwide? He ruined it for me last night when he cheated me out of celebrating one of Celtic's greatest ever victories."
The supporter has "given himself up" and has been given a life ban. I know that will in no way make up for depriving you of your celebrations but maybe it will help in some small way.
"I honestly don't understand this 'honour among thieves' credo that you don't grass on your own! You do if it's for the right reason!"
The thin end of the wedge. My neighbour is working on the side, my sister-in-law drives without tax...acts that are a drain on my already over taxed income. Should I grass them up? Would you help me make up my mind... And please MiketW spare me the pigeon hole. You don't know me.
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Pro/Con - & Anna
Pro/Con - Healy
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Cheers WG, it's not worth the debate.
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Pro - Sister Sledge
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Pro - & Benny's
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Paranoid paranoia?
It's been a while since the 'Sky Guys' did the game coverage on a Celtic match - or it's been a while for me at least. What with Setanta etc. I switched on just seconds before kick-off. One guy whose name escapes me and Provan. Sorry but I'm down to surnames here and there is an inference behind it I'll admit.
I watches a first half unfold, that I'm happy with - thinking, saying to my wife, that AC are there for the taking. Our end product is not there (Yet) and that I wished we had tested their goalie as many times as possible... But on the whole I'm quite pleased. And so, as far as I can remember is Provan and his buddy.
CUT TO - Studio interior
White and Nicholas. White tries to take Provan's positive words and turn them into negatives, but he has no need because in comes Nicholas to tell how AC are dictating the pace of the game and are therefore controlling it - which is just plain wrong. I can't listen to any more so I swaps a channel until the money whores have finished spouting their bile.
The match kicks off and provan and his sidekick are suddenly talking about how poor Celtic have been and how lucky they are... Almost sounded as if they had been briefed at half time to co-opt a new spin into their commentary. I truly feel that it sounded like they have been primed to talk this feeling up - it was almost surreal.
But I'm being paranoid aren't I?
Then full time.
Nicholas's 'cheeky grin' (copyright 1980's) is not for the result, but for the fact that he noticed the 'fan' going towards Dida and how terrible this is going to be and so on and so on and so on.
Paul it is time to start working on a possibly partisan commentary that can run in sync with the visuals we get...
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An outstanding result that for me as well as many others was ruined by the pitch invasion.
I just couldn't believe this was happening - the emotional swing from scoring to realising possible sanctions in 30 seconds was hard to take.
I've waited to take the feel of the press and CQNers. The press are doing what they need to do - sell papers. Was disappointed in Roddy Forsyth saying it was 'marred by violence'. His normally - IMO - balanced opinion appears to have deserted him. Not sure as someone posted that he is 'anti everything Celtic'.
I sense a lot of worry and anxiety on CQN today with some sharp words getting traded - I feel the same things as everyone else but can't imagine we will receive anything but a fine.
As someone else posted - aside from the ruining of the feeling from the win - theres also the part-undoing of all the good thats been done over the last 10 years by fans. Not that 1 person can undo the good bahviour of the Seville 70000 - but it chips away at the image we all enjoy.
Anyhow - staying at the top of the SPL is a must this weekend ahead of the visit to Hell in 3 weeks.
TB
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Now that the dust has settled on last night's epic encounter I would like to make one or two points aided by the benefit of retrospection and further information.
I have spoken to a colleague in the UEFA press office this afternoon and his feeling is that a replay or points deduction is "probably unlikely."
That has cheered me up no end because last night at 9.35 or so I for once was not cheering a famous Celtic victory but mouthing obscenities at the ned who single-handedly managed to dramatically change the media focus of our magnificent victory.
The feeling in Switzerland today is that we will be hit with big fine and perhaps being forced to play a home game behind closed doors.
That would be rough given that Dida faked injury and it will certainly hit us in the pocket and with no fans present would reduce our chances of winning a home game.
I thought it was a superb European performance by Celtic- the exact opposite in every way to what we did at Shakhtar.
Full credit to Gordon Strachan, whose tactics were spot-on.His gamble in playing Jarosik really paid off and he gave Naylor- who played well apart from his penalty blunder- excellent cover.
And for those who regularly and wrongly claim that all my posts are negative I did forecast that Celtic could beat AC after watching them against Catania on Sunday.
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JJ pulling a rabbit out of his a##e-I'd pay good money to see that.
Can the rabbit play fullback?If JJPD has ruptured his Achilles he'll be out until the New Year-if it's a complete rupture he'll need an operation;if incomplete he'll be in plaster for weeks.
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I don't agree with Bhoy Molloy's opinion myself, but debate is about opinion's. It's fair to debate the points and challenge posters on previous opinions. But, if you turn that into personal slagging and attacks those opinions will go away.
If posters are interested in a genuine debate on the issues it's important that those you disagree with can make that contribution without being personally ripped apart.
I personally feel the loss of P8ddy and neganon on this site, not because I agree with all their posts, but because that thinking allows the debate to expand.
So come on bhoys and ghirls, less a**eing and more issue construct.
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Tom the Tim
Good job on the confiscation of Darkcloud Molloy's 'H' hope but dont expect he'll see the funny side
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Or it could be a new way to pick the Windfall.A bit soggy,but 8 grand is 8 grand.
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I’ m just posting this off before going back to read that someone said the same kind of thing.
Now that was an absolutely amazing result last night. I remember I couldn’t sleep straight away after the Spartak result, being trickled green and white. Last night I wanted to sleep asap to stop the dread I was feeling. It was an unfortunate incident that subdued and downright spoiled the party we would all have enjoyed. However it seems that the points are in the bag and with all the spondoodles we’ve got, should be able to thwart aside any fine the Uefa should feel fit to equate the gentle contact from an ecstatic Celtic fan: Poor guy.
One crazy fan meets one crazy keeper. In a party situation he’d have had his erse booted, no to be honest with not even that, the dodo might even have hugged him, thinking he was being friendly in a shy, drunken kind of way, but with 3 points at stake the he did what he did to help salvage his clubs chances of progression, even if it was enormously embarrassing.
Celtic has a young football team that are learning their business. It is indeed amazing to see how we go about it when we’re up against it. We beat one of Euros best last night. Yes, we beat them – by being fair and playing the game. The fans were once again brilliant. I could here you on the radio in the distant background, and knew we’d scored before it was announced.
The players stood up and played their part, their part was what our manager deems to be right for the game in hand.
Gordon Strachan we are not worthy.
Never could I have imagined that Celtic would have been blessed with such an appointment so soon after Mon, and to get us to this advanced stage with a developing team. Do we realise we have how lucky we are?
BTW good point from last thread oldtim67
HHB
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Ulysses McGee, I understand…..
Our manager was far from pleased at the tone of questioning from said broadcaster after the game, specifically with the prominence given to the non-football incident.
Views were expressed afterwards.
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Sean South - And for those who regularly and wrongly claim that all my posts are negative I did forecast that Celtic could beat AC after watching them against Catania on Sunday..
ooohhhh Sean, so near but yet so far :)
That sounded awfully like Celtic beat fading AC Milan team on poor run of form.
As Roy would say "that's close but just not quite right "...
Your assumption that we'll get a match behind closed doors I still feel is draconian but if that's the medicine........
Hope you are wrong though.
Big Wavy
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Or on the CQN badge-JJ and his rabbit,perplexed look on his face.
Mineshafters could emphasize with the dark dampness of the rabbits origins and happyclappers could do their best Fr Jack impression and go Feck!A##e!Rabbit!
to their hearts content.
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Seedorf
He deserves his wings for his comments last night.
Attaboy Clarence!
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Dontbratt
more like a pained look on his face considering he just passed a rabbit!!
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I have spoken to a colleague in the UEFA press office this afternoon and his feeling is that a replay or points deduction is "probably unlikely."...The feeling in Switzerland today is that we will be hit with big fine and perhaps being forced to play a home game behind closed doors.
Sean South: thanks for sharing your info. In my opinion being forced to play behind closed doors would be an extremely harsh verdict. Let's hope uefa decide that a fine is punishment enough - given some of the recent punishments they have handed down for what were in my opinion more serious offences, it should be. But we all know not to look to them for consistency or fairness.
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Piratecnic
I think you must do what you feel is right! To thine own self be true. Not my job to judge other people.
I spent long enough being nervous after being the victim of armed robbery on 4 seperate occasions. I dare say some of the perps friends and relations had the same moral dilemma. Especially when he asked for 25 other cases to be taken into consideration. Not nice having a shotgun pressed against your ear while your trying to empty the contents of your safe and wondering if your staff are okay!
That man had no business on the field of play last night. He ruined it for thousands of people who paid good money to watch that game in the expectation that we would beat the best team on the planet... And we did!
You expect me to think he's a hero now that he's handed himself in? You can bet he was put under pressure to do so, or he would be turned in. I don't expect an idiot like that would come to that conclusion himself.
As for your freind, sister-in-law etc... See paragraph one, and go figure!
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Oh, and spare me the heavy sarcasm! You don't know me well enough to know that it's wasted on me!
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Dumbhoy:Totally agree with your sentiments about personal attacks and the intolerance meted out to anyone who doesn't tread the CQN party line.
Like the names you mention I am regularly attacked on here by the same predictable group of CQN posters whose objective is to turn this board into a Celtic supporters version of Pravda.
Last night I was accused of wallowing with delight at the pitch invader and the repercussions it might have on Celtic.
The reality was that I was totally downhearteded at the final whistle as painful memories of Rapid Vienna came flooding back to haunt me.
Then I had Kano exposing the fact that I was posting on CQN last night and not at Celtic Park- a fact that I had openly written about on CQN the previous week.
I have largely enjoyed my time on CQN but sadly I can see why a lot of "dissident" posters have taken their views elsewhere.
Genuine debate on CQN is being replaced by petty name-calling and the sort of juvenile bullying normally reserved for the playground.
That it not the Celtic way.
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pgg tips
Absolutely brilliant connection there.
I did not believe my smile could get any wider. I'm now like Julia Roberts eating a salami sideways.
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Maybe it's the rabbit that's perplexed-anyways an old,apocryphal political story.A new MP is being shown round the HofC by a senior colleague'Oh,so thats where the enemy sit'says the rookie.
'No,that's where the Opposition sit.The enemy is on this side of the House'
I think that if UEFA treat the club harshly last night's intruder will find the world is a very lonely place.
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ULYSSES MCGHEE:
my take on paranoia, is the view that . souness had a face tripping him. i never seen that, but maybe somebody thoughts so !!! why say it in the first place !!
the comment early after match,
it must have been a rankers fan in disguise !!!
these are all examples of why we get called paranoid celtic men.
and i agree with it !!!
your take on provan, white, nicholas is your view, and you may well be right.
personally, i use ht to take a tablet. so i dont ever watch h/t talks, unless there is a dubious decision.
my take on the first half was that we started brilliantly, until gattuso, and ambrosini/ nesta started manipulating the referee. (cos brown was all over them)
andthen they were the team on the ascendancy.
and so they should be imo. they are all so strong with possession.
indeed, i thought kaka was absolutely fantastic. hartley couldnt get near him. but in a strange way, i thought wee paul had a very good game.
if you had 10 different cqners doing the match summary, then its possible, you would be asking if they were celtic men too!!! cos everyone has differing thoughts.
i see provan and nicholas as more negative than souness. but at least he admits his colours and can be biased by his admission.
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as for radio scotland.
mark mcghee was as harsh on events as forsyth. but mark also stated that he has played for celtic, been a celtic fan all his days. but that isnt acceptable.
these guys didnt have time to think what they were saying. they were doing it ad hoc.
sometimes you cant win in that situation.
as for wee chick. well, he will always look for our manager to explode, or implode. if you like
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Carlie nicolas is an incoherent, ignorant buffoon.
Since someone stole BoyMolloy's 'H' earlier on, I'm stealing Carlie Nicolas' as well. If he doesn't start behaving himself, I'm coming back for his 'C's.
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Henrik Larsson has just added another European goal to his impressive tally against Heerenveen.
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ach another goal, from my only hero !!!!
go on henke
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Mr. Trumpet
You'll be in trouble if you try and steal his socks.
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Sean South
What IS the Celtic way then? Whingeing about anything and everything?
You were criticised last night because you were so quick to come on here after a famous Celtic victory and take great pleasure in having something to moan about!
Congratulations on having something positive to say about the team... eventually!
And I disagree about Naylor. You say that was a mistake he made by doing what every other defender on the planet does? I say Ambrosini with all his 'experience' dived and conned the ref. (Who is very easily conned, btw)
Are you saying that Lee Naylor should have stood off him and extended the 'after you, old bean' invitation? It'll be a long time before a penalty is awarded for THAT again?
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JJ pulling an 'h'out of his a##e?
I'd pay good money to see that.
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lee naylor made a mistake at the penalty.
otherwise, i thought he was immense.
as was all the back 5 !!!
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5-5 on aggregate,but Helsingborg have 3 away goals in their locker.And the King.No worries.
Kerrang!CSC are obviously going to be supporting Metalist tonight in their game against the Toffees.
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Bhoy Molloy ,
I don't know about you but I'm absolutely over the moon , beaming with delight at last nights win and performance.
Gordon Strachan used his supreme tactical ability to mastermind a win against 10 of the starting 11 of last May's CL winners.
Jarosik was rumoured to be in contention from last week , I think Estadio could back me up on this. Our Manager had a game plan. It worked to a tee. Again if you'd have listened to the manager earlier in the season he stated that he "would never give up on any player never mind Jiri". Jarosik was given the chance earlier in the month to get fit after injury and prove he is worth a place in the squad. He did what the manager asked and was included in his plans. He did play very well last night.
Unfortunately as you can't comprehend this , you still remain this weeks CQN class Clown. It it was the MON era you'd be wearing the dreaded yellow jersey.
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DBBIA, wit is it with you and JJ's a...actually I don't want to know!
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Sean South,
I think you are being a bit harsh on Naylor commenting on his "penalty blunder". I have watched this over and really can't believe how the ref can give a penalty for that. These kind of 'clashes' happen all over the park particularly at free kicks and corners.
The ref should have used better judgement. Had the forward been about to head the ball into the net, then MAYBE Naylor's arm round his chest could have been construed as a foul. The fact that the ball was delivered way over everyone's head should have been enough for the ref to turn a blind eye to the contact.
I thought it was a very soft decision that would not have gone our way had the play been at the other end.
It was good to see Naylor get a good game under his belt and good to see Jiri's part in that. Let's hope he can build on that and put together a good run.
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thegreentrumpet: Forgot to mention according to the UEFA guy I spoke to their disciplinary committee won't dish out a punishment tomorrow as has been reported in some quarters.
He told me that the first stage is that the delegate from Cyprus and the referee, Mr Merk, will submit their reports.
If they are both received by tomorrow the disciplinary committee will decide whether Celtic have a case to answer.
They almost certainly have as the pitch invasion in an offence in itself.
The next stage is for UEFA officials to investigate the matter and seek further evidence form the match delegate, Strathclyde Police and take submissions from Celtic and AC.
From start to finish, according to my contact, the process will take between 10 days and three weeks.
Bigwavy:I DID say Celtic could beat AC on the evidence of their display against Catania and the fact that they had won just one of their first six La Liga games.
But as reigning European Champions I know that they are one of the best club sides on the planet.
As usual on CQN a piece of negative spin is deliberately injected into my comments.
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MikeTW10 :- Sorry about the delay in answering I had to go out, but the simple answer is everything :-)
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Good work today, getting the culprit and dealing with him promptly.
Fair play to the guy for making himself known to Celtic and beginning what we hope will be a healing process. Bet he had a sleepless night last night.
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Not me!Big Wavy@15.48 put an image in my head..
anyways,let's all have a feelgood day today[we beat ACM!]and keep any renting of garments,weeping,wailing,teethgnashing and spleen venting for the aftermath of the UEFA decision if it doesn't go our way.
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CelticFirst :- If you take away the minority that really want Celtic closed down and the ground razed etc most once they have got over the schadenfreude actually think you are being hard done by, the concensus seems to be a big fine for allowing him on the pitch but that anything else would be unfair.
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Ted...
What... Even tiddleywinks?
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Having travelled 24 hours into the future, I'm no longer feeling pessimistic, funnily enough.
This time travel malarkey fairly plays with your emotions.
I don't recall Mordor being shut down/ TFOD being expelled / points deduction when the Palestinian guy broke in and chained himself to the goalposts at the Bigotdome.
I expect that Dida's blatant "simulation" may remove us from the hook.
I look forward to his evidence in the breach of the peace trial at the High Court, if he ever comes out of the coma. Maybe the boys in blue ( the Polis that is ) will charge him with Feigning an Assault or wasting police time.
No doubt one of Brian Quinn's last duties will be to sign a cheque heading to Geneva.
HirowhowillneverdoubtWGSagainasheisobviouslyaSuperHerohimself
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Pro - Dettori (Gooner)
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Sean South
What is it with the constant harking on about expected, usual, stereotypical, party line responses from CQNers?
Other people have opinions. They differ from yours. They differ from mine. Yours' differ from mine. There's no conspiracy here, at least none that anybody's told me about.
Why are you lot leaving me out of this? Is it because of that thing with the goat?
I was young, foolish and drunk. It was dark. Forgive and Forget. Let me back in the gang. I promise to persecute and gang up on posters when I am told to do so. I'll learn the secret signs and the handshakes.
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Sean South, thanks again.
Please keep us posted if you hear anything...
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Sorry to disagree or even appear negative but Lee Naylor- who did play really well- had a hold of Ambrosini's shirt and gave Merk the chance to award what was a soft penalty.
It was harsh and we probably wouldn't have got it. Its the sort of award that the big boys in Europe like AC, Juventus and Man United get against smaller clubs like us (all three have had soft awards against us in recent years).
The lesson for our defenders ( and our intellectually-challnged 27-year-old fan) is that we mustn't make even the faintest contact or these people will go down as if shot by a sniper.
It matters not where the ball was (it was clearly going out for a goal kick) or whether it was a goal-scoring chance it wasn't).
All that matters was that it was a foul in the penalty area.
There was contact unlike the Amuruso spot kick against Juventus in 2001. End of story.
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Sorry to disagree or even appear negative but Lee Naylor- who did play really well- had a hold of Ambrosini's shirt and gave Merk the chance to award what was a soft penalty.
It was harsh and we probably wouldn't have got it. Its the sort of award that the big boys in Europe like AC, Juventus and Man United get against smaller clubs like us (all three have had soft awards against us in recent years).
The lesson for our defenders ( and our intellectually-challnged 27-year-old fan) is that we mustn't make even the faintest contact or these people will go down as if shot by a sniper.
It matters not where the ball was (it was clearly going out for a goal kick) or whether it was a goal-scoring chance it wasn't).
All that matters was that it was a foul in the penalty area.
There was contact unlike the Amuruso spot kick against Juventus in 2001. End of story.
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I cant belive the nonsense I'm reading reagarding Lee Naylor.
Anyone who thinks that was a penalty knows bugger all about football - so many factors suggest this was a bad decision;-
* There was not a clear goal scoring opportunity (ball position unplayable)
* The referee was 40yards from the "incident"
* Every single Milan players reaction - even they were astonished
* Every single commentators disbelief
* The rules - Lee was not pulling or impeding
if this is a penalty and refs around the world are consistent - there would be 5 penalties a game at least given the jostling that goes on in FOOTBALL.
One ast point on Lee naylor - last season he was a gem and arguably our most consistent perfomer. This season he has been under performing - Yet he has still shown tremendous character in grinding his way back to form (Boruc incident, Performance against Milan) - we need these characters as many a player would hide - not this man!
I have been critical of the defense this season and still believe we will struggle against any serious height in the box - last night they were magnificent and played with football brains beyond their years
I wish i could say the same for some of the blogs comments.
hailhail
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setting free the bears:Very funny. A witty response to my paranoia about Paul's propagandists.
I'm not really paranoid I just know that people don't tell non-conspirators about their conspiracies.
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Sean South ,
At first I thought well I might as well commend you for finally admitting the team did great but then I read your 2nd posting and laughed.
Always the victim eh? Catch yourself on. If your going to spout drivel then take the flak returning your way. Its cool to be a dissident? You are on record on this blog for ranting inane nonsense for over 3 years. If you believed your own mantra we shouldnt even be competing for honours over the past 3 years. The fact that we are the dominant force tells us and should tell you that you are continuously wrong , wrong and wrong again.
Name-calling and playground ?! Juvenile bullying ? Don't make me laugh , you were the idiot offering people a square go outside CP at the AC Milan game !
Now that is not the Celtic way !
Now the heat has turned on your credibility your claiming victim status for you and the band of " Continuity CQN'ers " , Give us a break and stop whining. Be a man , take your criticism on the chin and be a little constructive instead of being a sensationalist. We have enough of that crap in the media already.
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It's just come to me .
Gordon Strachan is actually Peter Petrelli.
His tactical genius last night was due to standing near the AC Milan coach on the touchline ..... he assumed Carlo Ancelotti's powers!!!
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At 04/10/07 17:37, setting free the bears said…
Henrik Larsson has just added another European goal to his impressive tally against Heerenveen.
WG - the drought is well and truly over, how's the gout?
Larsson
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Hiro Nakamura
We should manage a 29 each scoring draw when he stands next to that tactical genius, Wattie at Ibrox then.
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what is it with scottish clubs in europe !!!!!
aberdeen 1-0 up
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Larsson -
I'm goutfee just now amigo as I've been off the red biddy.
I'm off to the Teser shortly. How did you enjhoy our first ever win over the Milandas ?
also - why are Turriff second bottom of the Rainbow League thing ?
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Itz :- Don't you think it's time to reconsider your theory that "A big Rangers boy did it then ran away"
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Ewe Beauty - Sheep One-Up
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Having examined last night's "incident" in the cold light of day, I find I have to express how deeply depressing I find the whole issue.
"A moment of madness." the redtops have branded it. Madness? Hardly. Good-natured eccentricity, perhaps, from where I was standing. But then "One moment of good-natured eccentricity jeopardises everything we hold dear" - rather lacks that front-page snap, doesn't it?
I am well aware of the possible sanctions here, but the point which I feel needs to be made is a lot wider than that. Let's forget for a moment about UEFA. Let's forget for a moment - please - about punishments.
Let's examine what the guy really, actually did. He entered the field of play, in apparently good humour, and trailed his arm round the goalkeeper's neck. Is that truly the full extent of the heinous crime making front page news across the country?
Not so long ago, this sort of thing was not even frowned upon. It was regarded, by commentators and fans alike, as what it actually was, and is - a harmless, often humorous diversion, which brought a little colour to the proceedings. The appropriate amount of time was added on at the end of the match. It was not regarded as any sort of danger or affront by any but the most officious of clockwatchers or rulebook-grubbers.
Now however the situation has changed: and not just in the sphere of football.
We are living in a society which is allowing itself to become drawn increasingly into a climate of suspicion and fear. A society where the average city shopper can expect to have their picture taken by "security" cameras more than two hundred times in a day. A society where patting a kid on the head in the street is something approaching a criminal act. A society where possession of a rucksack and a swarthy complexion is enough to get you shot dead in public by British police. A society where, as the victim in the above incident, you will be viewed by many as "a price worth paying".
And a society where, increasingly, any sort of spontaneous act, or public display of individuality is viewed as a potential danger, rather than a natural living expression of the human spirit.
I have seen a number of people, on this blog and elsewhere, give forth about what they would like to do to the guy who trotted so happily onto the pitch. No offence intended to anyone, but I can't help thinking of the old prison-drama scenario, where the authorities have everyone cowed and humbled, only for one person to dare to step out of line - and then be beaten up by a group of his fellow inmates, because of some indeterminate punishment which might be meted out to all of them on account of his act.
What if he had had a knife? What indeed.
What if the woman who brushed against me in Morrison's this afternoon had had a knife? No, she gave no outward sign of being armed and dangerous - but I couldn't take the chance. You read about these sorts of people.
I believe that we are, collectively, as a society, losing the plot. The ability to adapt quickly is, we are told, one of the crucial elements of the human genius, one of those things which sets us above the lower animals. But I can take little pride in witnessing the admirable rapidity with which we are adapting ourselves to our new, democratic society of fear.
I will not condemn the individual who ran happily onto the pitch at Celtic Park after his team scored the winning goal against the European Champions, in whose act I can detect no malice whatsoever. And whatever the punishment imposed on our club, I hope that I can never find it in my heart to do so.
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SFTB
What can I say, its a wonderful tale.
My pessimism has subsided much since last night and early this morning.
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THEMANWITHTHEBHOYBANDLOOKS
Nice to see you last night.
Mr Strachan pulled a very clever stroke bringing back JJ.
I doubt i, but i hope that he brings back Bobo for the OF games.
Horses for courses.
Not strengthening the fullback areas,will be tested with JJPD and MW now being injured.
What a magnificent result.
Hun today at work.
"Milan are a spent force,They were P###."
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Hoopla
I could,'t disagree more with you last post.
The rules are well known.
This nugget totally broke them.
If i met him,i would like to give him a swift kick in the Charles de Gaules.
Then again, i know that that would be wrong,so i wouldn't do it.
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WG -
Rainbow League? Erm? Uhm? Could it be cos it always rains up here?
Good on the Dons, there may well be a massive ho-down up here in the glens if they can get a result tonight. They should try to "ram" home another one though, since they are so hot-to-the-trot tonight, the wee lambs.
Larsson
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hoopla
The guy who ran on the park is no more than an attention seeking ned.
This is a so called grown up of 27 years.
One good thing may come of this. The next time a clown tries to get on the park a few close by supporters may change his mind.
He has helped tarnish a great night, I have rarely heard silence like I did when leaving the ground after that kind of result.
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Anyone know what time last night's game is on Celtic TV tonight?
Don't tell me the result as I want to be surprised!
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hoopla,
I think you are wrong to downplay this. It's all about civilised behaviour. We all felt ecstatic when the goal went in. We were all jumping around like madmen. I'm sure everyone of us would have happily planted a smacker on wee McDonlad's head right at that moment.
But if we all did that, there would be no-one left in the stands.
No--one alive today can be unaware of the consequences of running onto a football pitch whilst a match is ongoing. No-one. Yet this wee ned disregarded the good name of his club, and of all of us, to satisfy his sad little ego.
Personally, I am furious about that.
And footballers do need to be protected. If that had happened to Boruc in Turkey or somewhere, how would you have felt- would you have been so sanguine? Again, I would be furious, but for different reasons- I'd be angry that our players were having to deal with unknown balloons charging towards them during a match.
It wasn't so long ago that Monica Seles was stabbed during a tennis match- a tennis match!!! Uefa are right to take a dim view of such invasions, hopefully our punishment will not be too harsh, but we could hardly complain if we had to play a match behind closed doors.
I'm with WGS in this one. There are too many neds around these days.
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hoopla
it is not about what the guy did or never did
the offence is a security breach that someone was able to run onto the field of play regardless of what his intentions were
essentially by doing this we put players safety at risk and for that we should be punished
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MikeTW10 :- 4OK maybe not tiddly winks lol. Though I'll bet you won't use the blue ones. I know I would never use the green ones when playing it, or at anything else that used colour counters for that matter. Sometimes you just know you are being childish and petty but can't help it lol
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Miketw 17.24
"I think you must do what you feel is right! To thine own self be true. Not my job to judge other people."
'...to judge other people.' You could have fooled me.
"I spent long enough being nervous after being the victim of armed robbery on 4 seperate occasions. I dare say some of the perps friends and relations had the same moral dilemma. Especially when he asked for 25 other cases to be taken into consideration. Not nice having a shotgun pressed against your ear while your trying to empty the contents of your safe and wondering if your staff are okay!"
Your very harrowing experiences has only a certain relevance. For each of the four separate occasions you mention I could relate four of my own experiences at least as traumatic. What does it prove?
"That man had no business on the field of play last night. He ruined it for thousands of people who paid good money to watch that game in the expectation that we would beat the best team on the planet... And we did!
"You expect me to think he's a hero now that he's handed himself in? You can bet he was put under pressure to do so, or he would be turned in. I don't expect an idiot like that would come to that conclusion himself."
Who said anything about a hero? You have a tendency to attribute comments to me that I did not make.
"As for your freind, sister-in-law etc... See paragraph one, and go figure!"
These are fictional characters - I was using examples.
'go figure'?
Please spare me the film script dialogue.
Thanks for ticking all the boxes for me Miketw. I might not know you but would recognise you anywhere - the reactionary mindset looms large from a long way off.
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If it's not mineshafters v happyclappers, it's Death Wish fans v The Shawshank Redemption tendency. We're more split happy than the Judean People's Front.
antisyzigy csc
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We did strengthen the rb position this summer by signing Doumbe but sadly our cover is injured as well. Hopefully Caddis can do a job. If Naylor was injured then we would could complain about cover not being signed.
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tinytim said...
"Hoopla
I could,'t disagree more with you last post.
The rules are well known.
This nugget totally broke them."
tinytim, that wasn't the point of my post.
I don't deny that the rules are known. I don't deny that he broke them.
I am saying that the rules themselves are excessive, that we are painting ourselves into a restrictive, rule-bound corner in all aspects of social life..
There are, sadly, thousands of acts of genuine malice, both great and small, committed in our fair city every day. This wasn't one of them.
There are far more worthy targets for our anger than a happy, overcelebrating fan.
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While digging about today there was something else I noticed on the penalties that have went against us in the Champions League group stage.
2001 Juventus v Celtic. Celtic equalise in 85th minute, Juventus get penalty in 90th minute.
2003 Lyon v Celtic. Celtic equalise in 75th minute, Lyon get penalty in 86th minute.
2006 Man Utd v Celtic. Celtic go ahead in 21st minute, Man Utd get penalty in 30th minute.
2006 Celtic v Man Utd. Celtic go ahead in 83rd minute, Man Utd get penalty in 89th minute.
2007 Celtic v Milan. Celtic go ahead in 60th minute. Milan get penalty in 66th minute.
Not only were they all of the soft variety or also all against G14 teams but they also all came very quickly (about 10 minutes or less) after we had the nerve to equalise or go ahead of one of the "big" teams.
Good job I'm not paranoid or I might suggest that these penalties were all awarded after, shall we say, Celtic upset the script.
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I have waited 38 years for last night's result. My thanks to every single man who donned the jersey last night. The effort was wonderful. Special mention to our defenders, especially Caldwell and the full backs. They were tremendous.
But the credit must go to our manager. We have beaten AC Milan at long long last. The ref seemed to tolerate playacting and pulling and kicking from them, which he came down like a ton of bricks against us. As someone said earlier, we seem to have soft penalties given against us whenver we play G14 teams.
Oh, congratulations to Aberdeen for qualifying for the knockout stages of their European competition. Roll on Scotland.
Oh, EU, in thanks for your continued gracing of this wonderful site, your team did well.
But my team have just beaten the current European Champions. Wonderful.
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big liam: I can take all the flak that comes my way that's why i am still positing- it just annoys me that the sort of attacks you have just launched do drive away some very good posters who don't follow the party line.
Once again you total misrepresent my views by taking the what was intended as irony relating to a previous post by Gweedorebhoy on the "AC Milan square-go" and turning it into a threat of violence.
As I have already explained I was never going to the AC Milan game and was trying to be light-hearted over a spat between Gweedorebhoy and another poster.
When you wrongly accused me of making a threat I apologized unreservedly to anyone who may have taken the remark the wrong way.
I wish just for once you would drop this petty vindictiveness.
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martino
Upset the script indeed. Not half. If you were paranoid you would suggest that many of the G14 teams pre-determine the outcome to their own advantage. A sclaffy goal certainly does upset the script. Imagine us and Shaktar go through, imagine 8 teams outwith the G14 in the last 8 and then imagine the tv revenues dropping, the ad revenues dropping, the sponsors unhappy. You bet there's a script.
Hiro - powers a bit off :) That was no Palestinian guy at Ibrox, just a Glaswegian by the name of Sean Gallagher (from memory).
Antsman. I agree, that's the offence, but I still see a big fine.
It is not in the picture, but about a closed-doors game - go to CP and stand outside or watch it on the telly. Any thoughts?
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Seedorf wantin to join Jan paradise in in the summer!! Yee Ha!!
If only!!
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Paul
Yer Toughts aboot da game were maist Elucidatin',
Ahm no sure whit dat Woid means,
But, Ah've aye bin dying tae use it!
It's sae Kelvinside! Whur Ah've aye Waanted tae Bide!
Yer Views dey wur Balanced... yer sae Original Points,wur made well,
Ye rang awe da Bells!
Whit mair kin ah say?
It wiz a Ring-A-Ding Swell!
Here's ma thoughts oan da Fan's Faux Pas......
It is/wiz... a STORM IN A TOY- TEACUP!
It is o' nae Consequence!
It wiz da PAPERS... as usual!.. dat turned it intae a CAPITAL OFFENCE!
Da fan, merely TAPPED,da Goalie oan da Shooder!
It wiz Gey GENTLE AND PLAYFUL!
But,da RAGS turned it INTAE....
"AN ATTTACK BY A BARRACUDA!
We ur awe big bhoys... we bin der afore...
And we shouldna let da Yellow Press,
SPILE OOR ELATION...
An' turn it intae CHAGRIN.....
AS DEY HIV DONE MINY TIMES BEFORE!
Very Little wull come o' da Incident,am sure!
If we get a WEE FINE AND A WARNIN'...a mere TAP oan da WRIST!
DAT WULL BE DA FULL EXTENT O' IT!
AH AM EVAH SAE SURE!
IN FACT, AH INSIST!
Fuggettaboot it!
Dat's ma ADVICE!
Me?
Ah'll no lose any SLEEP over it!
Ah'll no even think aboot it... TWICE!
collie.
Tail's Awaggin', Awaggin'
Ah'll BET!
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Setting free the bears 16:02
Well said ma man, unfortunately there are sad bassas within our support who can’t help themselves. What chance then have GS, Aiden, Sno etc..with these moaners. I’ll ask my mum to pray for them – it worked for me :-)
Hail Hail
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So much to be proud of last night.
The overall performance was superb. Last season I felt we did very well to contain Milan. Last night we competed, matched them, and won.
To a man the team was brilliant. To be critical of any individual is just churlish.
Gordon Strachen deserves immense credit. He got it wrong in the Ukraine, learned from his mistake and was spot on last night. The substitutions showed his determination to win the game and Milan are a massive scalp for him.
I only hope Doumbe is not sidelined for too long. He has played very well since coming in to the team a few games ago. However, the highlight for me was the reappearance of Mr Jiri, who played very well.
I have never for one minute thought he he lacks ability and is a poor footballer. Fingers crossed he kicks on from here.
All in all a superb effort by all concerned.
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Paul67,
Jiri?? WGS caught us all out by suprise last night.
You reckon this could be the making of him and maybe he has decided to give it one more shot with us?
He must have impressed in training? WGS can be bery hard to please on the training ground you know. What has happened Jiri bhoy?
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Martinobhoy, excellent piece of observation and research. I hope you don’t mind if I borrow it later.
Collie, very Elucidatin. I think.
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Congratulations to Aberdeen and also to McFadden for his very good goal.
I watched Jiri play in the reserves against ICT and he was very good. He looks much sharper at the moment. He'll be happy enough to play for us if we give him games. He needs to deserve it though.
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Sean South ,
Equally your sensationalist postings and constant negative fantasy about Celtic , its players and coaching staff along with your predictions of destruction and rangers glory for the past 3 years could drive people away as well although I'd say probably not as most never believed such fantasy.
Clearly your claiming victim status again when your taken to task over your comments. Using throwaway lines like people like me driving others away? Is the Blogname Big_Liam intimidating?
The only party line around here is that all bar edward are Celtic supporters. It's you who is looking for division , diffrent sides here not me. I'm here to debate and support the team through heaven and hell because thats what good supporters do.
Anyone takes you to task over anything is a board apologist or your latest tirade about anyone who has a positive view on Celtic are Paul's propagandists.?? (Your words).
Am I being sensationalistic here?
You are the most frequent attacker of other posters opinions on this board yet find it difficult to take constructive criticism back. Its nothing personal mate , its just my opinion. You've been reveling in being a dissenter for 3 years and know that things are going well your struggling to uphold your position. In mini-crisis times you revel but in glory times you struggle. Why?
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Gm
Accordin' tae da Guid Doctora Detroit...
An Achilles Rupture requires Surgery...
An' da recovery period is no Shoit!
If...ah say If...fur ah am no soiten, if an ACHILLES RUPTURE... is da REASON,
Den , Ah am sorry tae say...
HE COULD BE OOT FUR da MAIST O' DA SEASON!
It could be just a Stretch o' His Tendon....
If it's that... then he'll soon recover tae return tae Defendin',
But, it's too soon tae be in da Dumps....
Jist watch....an' wait....
An' see whur, da Cat Jumps!
collie
Tail's Awaggin', Awaggin'
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I didn't want to bastardise my praise by mentioning last night's incident in the same post, so.......
While trying to reflect rationally on the incident last night I wondered what the sanction would be if the 'fan' has simply come on to the pitch, ran past Didi, and went on to join the celebrations?
I also wondered what the sanction would be if the 'fan' had run on the pitch, shook Didi by the hand and went on to join the celebrations?
In both instances I imagine UEFA would fine us a modest amount.
In order to hammer us with more draconian sanctions the question for UEFA is: was Dida assaulted??
To my mind an assault an inference of malice and regardless of what you think of the ejit, it's difficult to argue there was malicious intent in his actions.
Of course this is not how it is being portrayed in the Scotish media.
Why I am dismayed I have no idea, but I cannot believe they are categorising this as assualt.
A friend today came back at me with the arguement that it was not just the Scottish media who were calling it assualt, Reuters, the Herald & Tribune, ESPN and a host of other overseas media outlets were calling it so. He wasn't so quick to reply when I told him that these outlets get syndicated storoes written by the very same hun hacks who write for the rags.
Thanks to them the world is under the impression that the AC Milan goalkeeper was assaulted at Celtic Park.
If common sense prevails (a BIG if) we get a fine; Dida also gets a fine for bringing the game in to disrepute and if further evidence were needed, we once again are reminded why the Scottish media are no frinds of Celtic football club.
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Not at all Paul. It's all yours to use as necessary.
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Dumbhoy-15.35
WWE is NOT faked.
Martin02 assures me of this.
JohnCenasDadCSC.
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Collie,
Mr Jiri???
Could he be about to give it one ore dhit with us? Looked good last night.
Ballsy move by the manager.
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If Jiri is still not in the manger's plans regularly at least he has kept his value quite high by that performance.
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WGS
Ah done said it afore da game...
An' Ah'll noo gie ye a repeat o' da SAME!
Jiri is no langer, Jiri!
He is a POD!
If ye dinna know whit dat means...
Den, ah wull think dat seems...rather, Odd!
He wiz replaced by a Veggie... dat came frae OOTER SPACE!....
He is noo A Pukka, MARROW MAN....
An member o' a Noo RACE!
He THEREFORE, is A BRAND NOO MAN!
He noo Plays wit' a Loatta Style an' Equally Surprisin', loats o' savin' Grace!
He noo Wires In....when Wiring In, is required!
He is Stroanger noo, He kin even Tackle....
HE IS NAE LONGER TIRED!
In shoart, which he isnae by da way...
Yesterday, he played da game o' his life!
In fact, he wiz sae good....
He Helped tae save da Day!
Yes, Jiri is NO BACK!
He IS GONE.... WHAUR?
UP A 'KY!
An' when ah tell ye o' dis...
It is SOITENLY...
NAE LIE!
collie.
Tail's Awaggin', Awaggin'
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SEANSOUTH~" petty vindictiveness."
hahahahahahahahahahahaha !
coming from a man(?)that admits to holding a 26 year grudge against the Celtic manager.
Well-it would be funny if it wasn't so pathetic.
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"Milan were p!$h"
Their midfield still contained Kaka, Gattuso, Pirlo, Seedorf. With one of the games greatest predators upfront.
Milan 7 times European Champions!
Thats the size of our victory!
Therefore it probably tops:
Man Utd 1-0 - a massive win that put us through
Valencia 1-0 - after years of nothing in Europe, suddenly bang! We take a team playing at the top of their game all the way (even better then Juve)
Barcelona 1-0 - we beat the biggest of them all!
Lyon 2-0 - Another side that came to Celtic Park at the top of their game, a terrific football team. Beforehand Celtic were given no chance.
Anyway thats my top five home performances since our european renaissance.
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I see from the BBC that the moron has been charged with breech of the peace.
Not assualt, not GBH, but breech of the peace.
I am not a lawyer, but you've got to think that UEFA will take this in to account when considering the case.
I also note that the BBC have dropped any reference to assualt in their latest article and are now referring to the ejit as a "pitch invader".
Can any laywers out there tell me if the BBC would be guily of slander if they continued to accuse the guy of assualt subsequent to the police charging him with breech?
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Any lawyers out there?
As the police have actually charged the guy with 'Breach of the Peace' - does this mean that it becomes slanderous or libelous to describe the event using sensationalist words such as 'attacked' and 'struck'.
Just curious...
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GM,
I genuinely posted my post at the same time - very spooky!!!
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Jiri mentioned in a post match interview on Celtic TV that he hopes to be playing his football at Celtic Park, in front of those fans.
Seems Gordon was telling the truth about not giving up on him. Who'd a thunk it, eh?
If I may reminisce. I was at a Celtic v Them game in the 60's when Greig left his calling card on John Clark's shin. A particularly nasty one.
Anyway, this moron standing beside me in the Jungle said," Right, you and me oan the pitch. It's only a fiver".
Needless to say I ignored him. I wonder if he was proud of his son last night?
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At Inter v Milan in April 2005 (goalkeeper hit by flare) and Denmark v Sweden in June 2007 (referee attacked by supporter) the matches were abandoned, so a result had to be decided upon by a disciplinary hearing. Milan were awarded a 5-0 win in the tie and Sweden were awarded a 3-0 win. Inter were also ordered to play six subsequent matches (two suspended for three years) behind closed doors. Denmark’s home stadium in Copenhagen is to be closed for four competition matches.
Last night the match was played to a finish, so the result should stand, hopefully! I don’t think that the fact that the match was continued should be under-appreciated in terms of its great fortune to Celtic. San Siro, April 2005, Inter v Milan, described above. Who was the goalkeeper? Dida. Who was the referee? Markus Merk.
I actually think last night was similar to the incident last season when someone handcuffed himself to the posts at Ibrox during Rangers v Macabbi Haifa. Not done for the same reasons (angry political protestor / exuberant ned), but similar failures in the pitch security system. What was Rangers' punishment for that?
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The Spanish Inquisition:You and Big Liam could be one and the same person.
Your stock in trade is to twist and distort what I write to suit your own interpretation.
For the record I have not held a grudge against Gordon Strachan for 23 years.
I have disliked his manner since staying in the same hotel as him and his family in Cheshire back in 1984 and further encounters with him have not impressed me.
But I have to be honest and say that I disliked him as a footballer with Aberdeen when he always delighted in winding up Celtic fans.
I think as as a man he is rude, arrogant and a lousy comedian.
Because he then goes on to be manager of Celtic doesn't mean that I suddenly elevate him to the sainthood or salute him as a tactical genius (Shakhtar showed thast he isn't).
But I will give him full credit for winning two SPL titles and he oversaw two great CL wins against Manchester United and AC Milan.
As Celtic manager I want him to do well, but that doesn't mean to say I have to love the guy.
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RE the “penalty” and those who taking the opportunity to have another go at Lee Naylor, please bear in mind that in every penalty area in every league in Europe and possibly worldwide there will be players doing exactly that at free kicks and corners. Think how many players that represents and then think how many times a penalty is given. It was a penalty in terms of the law but on the law of averages it should never ever have been given. The problem lies with the inconsistency of referees not Lee Naylor. For my money however I’d award one every time. For a forward doing the same I would produce a yellow card. That would soon cut it out
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derbyshirebhoy
it was well documented already that hugh dallas told all the clubs that this sort of thing was going to be stamped out. Soft or not we were warned and subsequently lee naylor should not of put himself in the position to allow the pen to be given
thats not to say i think it was right or that this rule will be implemented equally, fact is we were all warned and not 10 minutes after the pen hartley was doing it as well.
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Forgive me if this has already been posted but as one who was delighted by Jiri Jarosik's performance last night I was also delighted by his interview screened on Celtic TV. When asked how he felt after he said that he was so pleased to be able to have played in front of the greatest fans in the world against the team he had always supported and to have won 2-1 - and couldn't keep the smile off his face. I thought his performance was outstanding. Now if only he could get himself up for the SPL.
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Spooky indeed Hamptontim.
I was going to say great minds think alike until I noticed you know how to spell "breech" (you probably know how to spell "assualt" as well).
All the best.
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I hope Jarosik does make a comeback - he was a class act at one time and can still do a great job for us.
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Congrats to Aberdeen. As I said the other night with the Rangers result maybe we're not quite as bad as we're led to think.
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GM,
If they had done him for breach of the 'piece' instead - would that mean he had taken a daud out of Dida's jam sandwich?
Cheers
HamptonTim
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BBC Reporting Scotland News, 10.25:
'Celtic must wait to find out what sanctions they will face from UEFA'
While we may debate the issues and we feel there will be punishment, it is surely incumbent upon the BBC to report impartially, and therefore use an element of doubt. 'If they will face sanction' would be surely more appropriate.
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martinobhoy @ 1944
Interesting stuff re our CL penalty stats. A few wee thoughts.
First, I don't believe for a moment there's a 'script' as such; the structure of the CL was consciously designed to guarantee (more or less) that several of the usual suspects will waft into the last 8 every year. However, it is an interesting question as to whether bigger teams benefit from a psychological advantage due to unconscious deference on the part of referees.
Of course, if we're going to think that in relation to the CL, perhaps we should give a little more credence to the exact same claim as made by supporters of every SPL team bar Celtic and Rangers. What goes around...?
Something else to consider is our own psychological reaction to going ahead against top teams, which I think is an area that our management team could usefully give some specific attention.
Last night I thought we lost our composure completely after we scored. Instead of trying to keep possession and take the sting out of Milan's response, we were hacking the ball anywhere as if there were 3 minutes to go rather than 30. Donati's fresh-air swipe just before the penalty award was entirely untypical of him, but he had apparently been caught up in the near-panic that seemed to have had gripped several of his team-mates.
Thinking back to the Lyon match, I remember thinking the same thing on the same lines with 10 minutes or so to go - we were continually booting the ball into touch or deep into the Lyon half, with almost no effort to retain possession. For once I called it right when I said to a friend that we were asking for trouble, trying to hold out for 15 minutes in that way against a quality team.
A couple of questions to close. Someone told me today that Milan's goal last night was the first penalty ever scored against us in European competition at Celtic Park (shoot-outs excepted, obviously). Can any of you confirm that? If it's true, and it is a pretty amazing statistic if so, how many others have been saved/missed over the years?
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antsman
I have to ask did no-one else do it last night in all of the CL matches or the night before or tonight in the UEFA matches? How many penalties awarded?
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Bloke 109: "it is surely incumbent upon the BBC to report impartially".
LOL!!!
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An open letter to Mr Gordon Smith
Dear Mr Smith
You recently criticised Saulius Mikolunias for diving in the recent Scotland-Lithuania match, and this followed from your high-profile, yet in the wider European context, unilateral, decision to take sanctions against divers and 'simulators'.
While appreciate you're a busy man, perhaps you could show support for a Scottish club, who despite the self-evident related issues, have been involved with a player from an opposing side who has 'simulated' and apparently feigned injury.
I await your public comment criticise Nelson Dida on this matter in your capacity as speaking on behalf of Scottish football, the SFA, and thus it's member clubs.
Yours in sport etc
Bloke109
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GM
Indeed. I spluttered as I typed, but you know what I mean..
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did ye hear about the ned who dumped a bucket of clorox over the pope?
he got done for bleach of the priest.
bye bye
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Evenin all.
I'm not a lawyer, but the opening greeting might gie ye a clue.
On the 27 year old clown who now finds himself custody for Glasgow Sheriff Court tomorrow. The fact that he is charged with a breach of the peace means that the alleged complainer in the incident which is being described as an attack (the big cheating pr!ck formerly known as Dida) is not making any complaint of assault.Therefore the only charge that could be levelled would be a breach.
Personally, I'd never let him near the stadium again. In all my time of watching Celtic, and celebrating goals as wildly as the next man, it has never entered my head to run nto the park.
Why? Because you just don't do it. There is no excuse for it. None!
Not booze, not emotion, not adrenaline - none!
This clown has damaged the club I love. Maybe not fatally, but badly enough. I realise he is a Celtic fan, but he obviously disnae realise the responsibility that lies within us all when we attend as supporters.
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Oh and while your there Mr Smith.
Any thoughts on Mr A. Hutton?
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Just catching up. bambi asked me several hours ago to state how many right full backs we should have in our squad to cover for injury / suspension.
For a 'specialist' role (ie goalkeeper and both full backs, a role most other players can't fill) we should have three. For positions which are more interchangable less cover is required. Iwould suggest (assuming 442):
GK 3
LB 3
CH 5 for 2 positions
RB 3 (GC does NOT count)
MF ?7 for 4 positions - depends more on the individuals than other positions
CF 5 for 2 positions
This is not me being clever after the event. I argued this (? with Kano) a few weeks ago. I am ecstatic to admit that on the strength of last night's superb performance I may have been wrong to question the quality of our defenders, but I stand by criticism of quantity of fullbacks.
bryce - a mineshafter who hopes to look a total arse at the end of the season
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All a wee laugh from Celticminded. They are trying to organise as many people as possible to send a get well card to Dida at the following address
Club: AC Milan
Inauguration: 1899
Club colours: Red & Black
Postal address:
Via Filippo Turati 3
20121 Milano
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Sean South ,
Did Gordon just get lucky last night with the tactics ?
Aye right.
You will find that now after a lengthy time as a dissenter on CQN that even when you make a valid point (as you did today) you will leave yourself open to potshots from left field so to speak. You'll not find receptive debate due to your CQN characteristics (constant negativity).
There is no debate as its your way or the highway.
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Sean South
You don't regard Gordon Strachan as a tactical genius, as "Shakhtar showed that he isn't".
You're a hard taskmaster sir, but that's fair enough - so long as you're consistent.
In which case, presumably you must regularly heap scorn on the head of that tactical dullard Martin O'Neill given (to take but one example) the way in which it took him a good couple of years to deal with the way in which Alex McLeish neutered MON's favoured 3-5-2 formation?
And as for that big eejit Stein, he fairly lost the tactical plot against Feyenoord in Milan eh? Not to mention getting the runaround from that other Dutch mob the year after - 3-0, going on 5 some say.
You don't particularly like GS. That's fine, and entirely a matter of personal taste. It does seem, though, that despite recognising this bias on your own part, you can't bring yourself to compensate properly for it in order to bring a more balanced viewpoint to this public forum. Which could still work out very well for you if you're thinking of a career as a Scottish sports journalist :-)
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As far as the match itself goes, we were outstanding last night and deserved to win, despite the referee. It was never a penalty. If he gives that, he has to give at least another three to Celtic for manhandling at crosses.
Next time you watch the McManus goal, keep an eye on Caldwell and the Italian defender. The defender couldn't grab any tighter if he tried.
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PITCH INVADER NAMED!!
"It's my only chance of getting on the pitch for a champions league game"
claimed Derek Riordan....
coat on, catch ye....
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First post since before i left for CP last night.
Absolutely delghted with the performance and the result even if i did get drownt in the front of Jock Stein lower.
But this is Celic here and there normally is a twist in the tale.
I didnt even notice the invader as i was so busy celebrating and trust me ,it was bedlam down there,as someone posted earlier a definite "hug a stranger night"
Ive read all the views on here and some good points made.
Now the worrying part for me is our punishment.
I stood in the jungle at the Rapid game also travelled down to Manchester for the replay and i have to admit guys i have that same gut feeling on this one that i had all those years ago.
I hope to God im wrong but i feel it could be worse than a lot on here are predicting.
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WizardofOZ 22.47
Of course you are correct re the over-exuberent guy who ran onto the park last night but I would be curious to know what fate would befall the club if say one of those attention-seeking streakers ,who still prevade sporting arenas, was to run onto the pitch and, as they sometimes do, ruffle the hair of their sporting heroes in the passing. Would there be the same hue and cry or would it have been regarded as a harmless piece of fun (not by me I hasten to add)? I would be curious to know how UEFA would react.
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E.U. previous thread You have had an intrusion,and so have we.It will happen again.I was thinking of something similar to the fences at ice hockey games,obviously with exits available to prevent possible crushing.Hardly likely in all-seater stadia.As far as con Haffey is concerned,I have spoken to him out here,and he isn`t.Nice to talk to you.I feel your slant on here has a very positive effect in reducing the age-old animosities.We`re all Jock Thamson`s....tho` some of us are Paddy Thamson`s. Sixtaeseven suggests a song for Mr.Strachan Has to be " A Gordon for me! Then you can join in too,Edward.Right!Somebody referred to you as Ursa yesterday.Are you still making your mind up??? W.G.When I was a lad,Glasgow was in Lanarkshire.
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two new posts one concerning the lightweight Dida and the other the Hoops performance on www.thelordofthewing.blogspot.com
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Macjey :- Thanks for the reply, maybe it's being a Rangers fan but I would have a horror of being in an incident and unable to escape onto the pitch, not only with crushing but also events like the Bradford fire. I think that a better standard of sreward may help, this isn't a dig at the stewards my son has worked Ibrox, Hampden and Rugby park to get cash when work was slow and they get minimum training to match the minimum wage.
As far as the Ursa goes when I first posted I used the name KilwinkieHun for one post then the name Edward Ursa until it was pointed out to me that it was the feminine version.
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Jeromek67
We on here, are by and large reacting in a sensible fashion to the actions of the pitch invader. We know he has hurt our club and I expect,the majority want him punished in some way.
The hysterical rantings of the media commentators and redtops are exactly that - hysterical and way over the top.
I would imagine if the invader had have been bollock and just ran past the keeper, a fine would still follow.
Personally, i would like the club to be pro-active in this situation and continue to lobby UEFA that whilst we are not condoning the invaders actions in any way, responsibility for the aftermath lies squarely at the feet of a player who chose to feign an injury. The club should be pointing out that the rain was hitting him harder than the invader and that he (the cheat formerly known as Dida) should be invited to comment on why he felt the need to be stretchered off the field of play. His motivation must be questioned and I would like to see Celtic ensuring that his behaviour remains worthy of examination.
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lynott67,
You may be right, but I would hope that UEFA would take into account that there was no apparent malicious intent - plus Dida's theatrics might actually do us a wee favour.
Big difference w.r.t. Rapid Vienna was that the intent was malicious - even if the object never did hit the target.
Do you reckon that Dida might lie in bed and think about how he could have wrecked Mr. Numptys life through his gamesmanship? - no, me neither, but hope springs eternal.
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Fellow tims and ed:
When Milan were awarded their penalty last night a horrible feeling of emptiness set in.
But that was nothing to the collective heartbreak when the images showed twenty minutes later, that one radge was suddenly putting at risk the three points.
But between those feelings of emptiness and heart seizure, a controlled rage had risen up in me. Why, as Paul has now pointed out, were we being penalised against again in the CL? So soon after the ridiculous penalty decision against Spartak Moscow. I was also furious because as that ball had flown harmlessly over the goal line I had been chuckling and grinning at how we were not to be moved tonight.
Then that decision by the sstern germ wiped the smile off my face!!
Great shimmy from Naka,well laid off by Brown,precise by Caldwell, Dida spill out and McDonald follow through. And then the fan follows through.
Five minutes later, when the cheers were dying down, the post mortem set in. " We've had it" was one of the more repeatable phrases.
Thank goodness he just flicked his face and that Dida overexaggerated his own reaction.
GR; I haven´t seen the Herald Tribune or ESPN write ups but I have seen a fair few articles now highlighting Dida´s antics rather than the fan´s entrance. The media see more of a story in Dida's theatrics than the one man pitch invasion. Incredibly it seems AC Milan are not going to pursue it and Celtic´s outstanding and at times astonishing success in their efforts at civilising us football supporters is the reason why. Seedorf, Ancelloti, Their vice president, who may well have consulted with Sir Silvio, are all more interested in not damaging unnecessarily their relationship with another European club.
This football club which Martin O'Neill promised he would do his best to bring some success to has come on a long way. We became the yardstick for good behaviour, hard but fair on the pitch and very gracious in defeat(Seville 2003).
If Rangers got a rap on the knuckles after the incidents at Villareal and Osasuna, we should be given a second chance by UEFA.
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You can now view my Celtic v AC Milan photos. You will have to sign in to view them. If you do not already have a sign-on, it is free of charge and without obligation, and they do not send out unsolicited emails.
I apologise that one or two of the pics are a bit rough and ready, and non-specific... but most of all that I inadvertently managed to delete the shot of Celtic's first goal. (I was too engrossed in the excitement of the build up to get a pic of the second goal being scored!)
Photos of the Benfica & Shakhtar games will follow, assuming we are allowed in to watch the games... perhaps Paul will put a link at the top of the homepage?
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...Oh, and is that wee Scotty Mac in picture 27, who looks intent on just one thing, while his team-mates are all rushing around congratulating each other? ("Gimme gimme gimme"!!!)
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On the penaly incident last night.
There was recently a new UEFA directive for referees to clamp down and penalise players guilty of holding and shirt pulling in the area.
That is the first time I have seen it being enforced.
On the long armed pitch invader last night.
The span of your arms (stretched out in an airplane flying type pose) from finger tip to finger tip is generally the same length as your height.
However, those people with longer arms are said to be closer to prehistoric man, with the more evolved amongst us having more proportionate arm lengths.
Either the invader was a follower of TFOD or a polis.
Maybe both;-)
Calm down EU and WizardofOz!
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If anyone has a recording of the match, perhaps they could undertake an analysis of the goings-on in both penalty areas throughout the duration of the match, to see how many penalty awards the referee should have given had he applied the laws consistently throughout.
I'll bet it was about 15-10 to Milan.
...My point being that if he is going to be such a jobsworth on that one incident, then he should be giving them for every like incident.
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I have just been watching some highlights of the game. Boruc actually makes a marvellous save from the Pirlo free kick just after the first goal. And the @fan@ gives more like a touch to the top of Dida´s chest. As Kojo and others recommend, it is often illuminating to have a second swatch at a game, and especially this game!!!
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My concern RTT was that it could just as easily have been a Stanley knife across Dida's throat, which would probably have elicited exactly the reaction we saw, with the delayed collapse upon the realisation that the warm sensation was blood running down his front.
How the moron was ever allowed to get on the pitch is beyond me. And how he managed to get back off the pitch and disappear into the crowd just beggars belief! I'd suggest that some of those stewards and police shouldn't be appearing at CP again.
And I hope Celtic sue the guy to recover any financial penalty imposed upon them by UEFA.
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NeilR
Racking my brains I quickly remembered Ronaldinho missed for Barcelona. Great save Marshall.
Bizarely this was closely followed by a player that was valued by his manager at more than Ronaldinhos's transfer value from PSG to Barca.
Got it?
Jered Nixon (ex-Dundee Utd, famously valued at £28m ny Ivan Golac) missed for (I think) Zurich!
I'd be amazed if the stat is true.
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Inside write.
So THAT'S why they refer to it as the long arm of the law.
Incidentally, if a fan runs onto the park nowadays, the polis are told not to pursue. That's the job of the stewards. the Keystone Kop style chases were just way too embarassing.
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Anyway,
just back from the nick. Big weight off the chest to hand myself in.
some goal, eh?
Got a bit over excited, sorry guys.
Let's move on. Back to a 4-4-2 against Gretna. Thankfully it's on the telly. Off to bed now, wife ironing the shirt for the morning.
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Nite all.
Got work in the morning.
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Doumbe was absolute class - he has it. Hopefully, his injury is not serious, although the way he dropped suggests otherwise.
Jarosik - truly excellent performance. If he can consistently operate at that level for us, we have serious options.
The only player I was slightly dissapointed in was Brown. Granted, he was hacked alot and was in the middle of the AC maelstrom. Donati faded at the end, but again not entirely unexpected or a criticism. Otherwise, have to say everyone was rather immense last night.
Hail. Hail.
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Bhoyle -
I thought Broon did no too bad until he got his yellow card. That was sure to quiet him down a bit.
Lurcy (off to scratcher.csc)
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Jim White really loving it on Sky Sports News.
First ten minutes on SSN devoted to "Celtic fan" appearing in court on Friday afternoon on breach of the peace charge.
Can you believe that? a bigger piece of deception than Dida's dive.
Never ever seen Celtic get this sort of global coverage, We should be very wary.
The hand of hunnery all over this and the PR firm Media House that represents Rangers all over it, too.
The Celtic board need to get their PR machine going too.
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Paul,great report.
What a night.
PFAYR 12.48.
Well done re your comments on Lee Naylor and Gordon Strachan.
Have given you stick for your level of criticism in the past.
Will now say good on you for your comments,good to see.
Bhoy Molloy,usual nonsense.
As for the "incident".
I was thinking"well done Milan" to start with.
But we are underestimating them if we think they are making these statements to help Celtic.
They are purely to protect themselves from sanctions from UEFA.
Can we please stop with the hysteria about what will happen to Celtic,with regards the fan on the park?
Even if we have "contacts" who make the tea at UEFA.
We will be fined and that is it.
Anything else,in the unlikely event of there being anything else,will be in the form of a limited term bond/suspended sentence arrangement.
Let me tell you how it is being viewed outside of the British "slant".
Oregonbhoy,Gavilguy,and others in the good ol'You Es of Eh
Can you let us know what the take is in your media?
It has been on every evening news bulletin and sports telecast on all free to air channels(for a "soccer" event,this is really something)and even being discussed after the incident is shown.
Without fail,even from the one channel here that does cover football,the reaction has been exactly the same.
Hardly a mention of the fan and complete disgust and ridicule of Dida's actions.
Creating total bemusement at how the guy can actually get away with what he is clearly doing(this was even the case on the telecast of the game with the match commentator).
With the whole news desk laughing and chortling at the blatant cheating,and how it can go unnoticed.
Bearing in mind that this slant is coming from media organisations(apart from one of them) who are hell bent on not allowing football to become dominant,due to their enormous investments in Australian Rules Football,and Rugby League and Union.
You would think,that in trying to tarnish the game they would highlight the "ned" factor,and show that "soccer" fans are still the same old hooligans?
No,they are totally intent on showing up the cheating side of Dida in the incident.
And inviting ridicule on the game.
Wonder what the UEFA teamaker's take is on that.
We should bear in mind that UEFA have been making a big song and dance about diving and cheating recently.
And they are investing heavily,both in time and financially,in trying to make inroads here and in America to promote the Europen game outside of the existing football followers
Now I am well aware that UEFA are spectacularly good at planting their foot in their mouths,but this time,they will be well aware of how this will look.
And I am not talking about how the Daily Record or Scottish Sun will react.
And if they are not,then someone at Celtic is failing badly in their job.
And Celtic will not fail in this one.
And neither,despite their rank incompetency in a lot of things will UEFA.
Sean South 12.48
You at last appear to have been hounded into giving at least a begrudging well done.
This is nice to see and well done to yourself.
It surely wasn't that hard was it?
But then you go and put your foot in it agin,as usual.
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"Then I had Kano exposing the fact that I was posting on CQN last night and not at Celtic Park- a fact that I had openly written about on CQN the previous week".
What I actually said was the following
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"Here is another quote form Glen Gibbons' article in the Scotsman.
Nothing, however, could diminish the joy of Celtic manager Gordon Strachan. Well, except the man he met soon after the final whistle who told him, "Just as well the result's the only thing that counts, eh?".
Seems Sean South and Bhoy Molloy may have holograms that appear at the match whilst their real selfs appear on CQN."
Expose of your whereabouts?
Good grief man.
Always the victim,aw you poor wee soul.
You say people twist what you say?
Most of the twisting of what you say,and what others say,and misquoting of statements comes from your good self.
You are a jornalist!!!
It is what you do is it not?
You should be good at it
CQN party line?
Anybody who has views similar to Paul(read different to yours) in any subject is toeing the party line?
Grow up,anyone who writes as much nonsense and vitriol about Celtic,it's players and management,it's current state as a team and a club,and it's chances over the coming season,as witnessed by your comments after Rangers had a good result,and when Lee Naylor had a bad game(something along the lines of"Naylor must never be allowed to wear a Celtic shirt again"),will obviously attract distain,scorn,revulsion and pity for yourself in equal measures from most level headed people.
The fact that most people think you talk nonsense most of the time,is not some sign that everybody else is in some secret gang you term,rather tellingly,Pravda.
It is most probably a sign that you talk nonsense most of the time.
To paraphrase Negative Anon.
If it looks like nonsense when you read it,if it sounds like nonsense when you hear it,and if most people think it is nonsense,then it must be nonsense.
"Genuine debate is being replaced by petty name calling?"
No it isn't
Unwarranted attacks on Celtic and it's players and mangement are being met by "name calling"as you put it.
And you completely misquoting people and misrepresenting what they say,including your self,(now where would that "skill" come from I wonder) is met with derision and name calling.
Not,as you would strangely call your contributions,genuine debate.
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Great result for Aberdeen.
Good to see.
Good for us too.
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My Italian friend Antonios take on Dida-
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Very nice result last night, good match! I thought of you when I saw the green and white shirts of the Celtic players :-)
What do you think about the farce that Dida played when the Celtic fan touched him on his face. Don't you think that Dida acted very childish in that situation? I mean, he fell down on the ground seconds after the fan touched him, it was a clear acting to gain some kind of favour.
Absolutely pathetic!
Ciao!"
Seems that all of Europe seen what we seen.
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What Really Happened To Dida
from Celtic Minded.
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It does only seem to be the Scottish media (and to a lesser extent the UK media) who are speculating about a possible points deduction and other drastic punishments, although several on CQN also seem very pessimistic. The rest of the world are concentrating totally on ridiculing the player, and UEFA will surely be mindful of this. Even if they felt the breach of security was sufficiently serious in its own right (highly unlikely), they would surely be reluctant to create the perception that they condone blatant cheating. They risk ridicule the world over for anything more than a fine.
I always tend to fear the worst, but surely not. I think one or two on here should try and lighten up. Speculation feeds specualtion, and the story of possible points deduction rumbles on. Let's talk about the game and result a bit more.
bryce
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It's not disappointment that hurts: its the hope. Mind it well for just two games are recorded now for those that follow us in time.
Who am I that should stop the engine of the world?
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Nurture well the seedlings of discord: and think long too on the other band - those carriers of the righteous sword. And worry not of the sword, but of their cloak and what it veils.
Who am I that should stop the engine of the world?
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Of to work I should: but I have withdrawn my labour.
Who am I that should stop the engine of the world?
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Edwardursus at 18.16 last night
"Itz :- Don't you think it's time to reconsider your theory that "A big Rangers boy did it then ran away"
As a Rangers fan who comes on here every day and is more than welcomed by the entire board, don’t you think your getting just a wee bit too cheeky?
As you well know by 18.16 last night it was all over the media that he was a Celtic fan and that he had been arrested. If its an apology your after come right out and say so, no need for the heavy sarcasm.
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Daily Mail reporting that Celtic will face heavy fine, but no further sanction.
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NeilR...
Your post @ 22.38 last night regarding penalties.
I am sure Anderlecht scored with a penalty against us in our 3-1 win
a few years ago.
There have been a few missed spot kicks - Aarhus (or maybe Vejle), Young Boys of Berne, Barcelona and Spartak Moscow all immediately spring to mind.
Time to get the anorak on!
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Italiabhoy,care to speculate on heavy?
Would reckon myself no more than 20,000.
Edward,that's you been told!!!
naughty wee boy you.
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Many happy returns,Dianbobo Balde[32 today]
After the return of JJ to the colours I look forward to seeing you again this month for the 90 minute hate;as I expect Caldavaro will be playing right back for the foreseeable future.
Fingers crossed UEFA come to a rational decision about Wednesdays events which would mean the worse thing to come out of Wednesday would be wee Joe's injury.
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While I'm on,
Was watching a recording of the SPL highlights on Setanta last night, when Motherwell take the lead in the first half against Rangers, the commentator announces, "and Motherwell go one up against the Oldfirm".
They see us as one and the same.
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NeilR...
Correction on the penalties.
I am sure it was Aarhus and Zurich (not the Young Boys) who missed the penalties.
Does Inter's in Lisbon count? :)
I still think that was a "pre-arranged" decision.
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Gordon
Anderlecht did score a penalty against us at Parkhead after the 2nd rebound. Just about the only occasion I felt sorry for Magnus Hedman - he made 2 very good saves but got no help from his defence.
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BC @ 8:57....
Thanks,
I remember Magnus's saves.
Debatable penalty too I reckon.
Pity he didn't pull off a few in Munich and Lyon.
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On this day in 1922 John'Jock'Stein was born in Burnbank,Lanarkshire.
The rest,as they say is History.
With a very large'H'
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Kano 03.35
Great post!
Your comments to seansouth were everything I wanted to say but put more eloquently than I ever could.
Maybe I had better go back to skool.
Regards
TNBC
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I see Cambuslang's chief village idiot Robert McHendry tried to sell his story before handing himself in to Celtic park.
I trust those who suggested some leniency might think again.
Not only did he embarass and jeopardise our club he tried to cash in on it.
Frank
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AC Milan keeper Dida was tonight ruled out of the world tig
championships following a horror injury sustained at Celtic Park
Glasgow.
Dida who was in the running for the top spot in the WTC was struck down
by a gifted unknown from Glasgow . The amateur tig player cornered Dida
between two posts and a net, managed to tig him then shouted "You're it"
before making a clean get away.
Dida (realizing that he had not adopted the classic "keysies" defence)
attempted to tig him back but was unable to catch the nimble
tattie-muncher. Dida was so humiliated at being caught by a "rank"
outsider that he collapsed in a total cream puff and had to be carried
from the field greeting for his mammy.
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Paul67.
I was at Celtic Park Yesterday to pick up my Rangers tickets, and was surprised by the amount of reporters and camera crew that were standing outside the ground.
There must have been 30-40, all waiting on someone appearing from the main door.
I stood for about an hour,and then the new Chairman Elect appeared,he waved and gave me his MP smile,I was a bit surprised when he did'nt come over and do the customary handshake,and as there were only a couple of supporters about, it would have been an easy task.
The cameras were'nt allowed near,as the new Chairman was ushered into his Limo.
The cameras were'nt put away,so it had to be someone more important than JR,I waited another 1/2hr and then had to ask who they were waiting on,I went over and asked the SKY cameraman, who the Celebrity was that they were waiting on,and his answer was,they were waiting to see if Gordon would say anything about last nights drama at the end of the game,My comment was,"your kidding surely",but he was serious.
I waited another 1/2hr and a man came out the main building and jump in a car that was sitting in Gordons parking space,he drove it round to the Jock Stein Stand, where no doubt the wee man was waiting to make his getaway.
I went home with a smile on my face,hoping the reporting crews would still be there when the Stadium closed for the night.
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Kano,
Your post of 03.25 was magnificent fella.
DBBIA
Thinking the exact same thing. Horses for courses. Balde has been playing in the reserves, is clearly fit and a little introduction to McCulloch, Cousin et al later this month would be highly amusing, especially with Caldwell at right back.
Big Wavy
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Apologies if this has been posted already.
From the guardian website:
Sympathy for Dida is understandably in short supply in Glasgow but the Brazilian also appears short of friends in Italy. The daily sports newspaper Gazzetta Dello Sport launched an online poll yesterday asking whether he should be banned by Uefa and whether Milan should discipline him. By lunchtime, 90% of the 65,000 voters had answered yes to both questions.
Big Wavy
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Oldtim-DJRs minders won't be keen on him mingling with his fellow supporters.And Wednesdays events will reinforce the notion that we can't be trusted not to attempt anything'dangerous'.
Don't expect to see him in Baird's any time soon.
Not before we've all had our retinae scanned.
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ps Oldtim-glad you're feeling better.
Us aul'hauns can't be too careful.
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SOAL - class.
Well the air on here has freshened up a great amount since Tuesday.
I am perfectly happy to nod when gers fans talk of 'a spent force' etc when mentioning AC and using it as a thinly veiled statement on on their thoughts in regards to our Celtic team.
May they continue to underestimate AC Milan and so by default Glasgow Celtic. May they do so right up to we take the field at Ibrox. I am never happier when we are the perceived underdogs - and that is not from an tim-apologist-forelock tugging psychology - it just makes the point which needs proving that bit more solid and tangible and, yes, virtuous.
But right now, basking in the weak October sunshine, my thoughts are of thanking Gordon Strachan for how he set up and set out our team and for a victory he, as a manager truly deserved. He must be making quite a few people sit up and take notice.
Well done Gordon.
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Just read this brief article regarding MO MO Super Mo's comments regarding the ganme the other night.
Donati's comments
Looks like we've endeared ourselves on him already.
/Bishop B
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itz give it away. Fair play to Edward for having a light laugh at our 'it wasn't me it was the other two'. great posts tonight , I have been reading for about two hours now. A bit slow I know but you have to slow down talking to kiwi's all day. Watched the delayed game on ESPN. Smiling all day before it and still shaking when I watched the game even though I knew the result. Very proud . Every man in the hoops deserves the applause today. Proud. Still don't think we will win the CL this year. Next year or the one after ...its what we dream of eh . I want 3 in a row this year , it will mean more than any CL knock out stage and will probably be harder to get. Just ask wally , collins , grumpy and caulderwood. Thanks for the entertainment tonight bhoys and edward, took a hiding tonight Sean South but don't let that stop you being miserable ok. Blantyre Kev loved it ....still laughing.
hail hail
Taurangabhoy
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Remiss of me not to mention the great result Aberdeen got last night.Unfortunately the weight of expectation of the Kerrang!CSC was too much for Metalist.
Anyways,real secret of our success has been revealed by impartial BBC legend wee Craig Paterson:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/scotland/7028726.stm
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DBBIA.
It's great what a nice win in the CL can do for someones health,plus a good helping of strong painkillers.
I wondered about the bodyguards,does he still warrant protection as a former Foreign Secretary.
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Oldtim-yes;although he was never Foreign Secretary.He was SecofState for Defence,Northern Ireland and Home Secretary so for all these reasons he'll get the full security rigout for the rest of his life I imagine.
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From a mineshaft perception, i am absolutely gutted at having nothing to moan about after Wednesday's historic victory.
Except.
What was the manager doing running way up the track celebrating when SM scored the winner .Absolutely shocking.
We'll be back.
JonG
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JonG
:>)
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JonG,
As Massimo Donati said in his interview yesterday, he now knows how big Celtic are as a club because you are only ever 1 mistake away from a mineshafter posting :)
Big wavy
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UEFA to ivestigate Celtic and the substitution of Dida
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Hi Viewfrom...
Where did you hear that from ?
The Dida bit is interesting and surely must be a good sign for us in terms of his authenticity / playacting ??
Big Wavy
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SOAL
Absolutely brilliant!
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It's been posted on the feeshul UEFA website.
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DBBIA.
Your right about him not being Foreign Secretary.I just picked the highest job under Prime Minister,as he seemed to have had every post in the cabinet,thats why I have no fears for him being our next Chairman,He'll win the arguements through his gift of the gab.
I should do some research before posting,my memory is dwindling by the day.
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Thurs 11th Oct we're up before the Euro-beeks
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Big Wavy -p it's on uefa.com, had it on refresh all morning.
VFTW - I think it'll be interesting to see how AC answer their part.
"UEFA is seeking clarification from AC Milan on the reason for the substitution of their goalkeeper Dida following Celtic's second goal in the match, which Celtic won 2-1."
I wonder if they'll change their story now to save Dida's blushes?
/Bishop B
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From UEFA.COM
http://www.uefa.com/uefa/keytopics/kind=512/newsid=599040.html
UEFA has opened disciplinary proceedings against Celtic FC following Wednesday's UEFA Champions League Group D match against AC Milan in Glasgow.
Thursday hearing
The Scottish club will have to answer charges of lack of organisation and improper conduct of supporters (Articles 6 and 11c of the UEFA disciplinary regulations). The Control and Disciplinary Body will deal with this case at its next plenary meeting on 11 October. In addition, UEFA is seeking clarification from AC Milan on the reason for the substitution of their goalkeeper Dida following Celtic's second goal in the match, which Celtic won 2-1.
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It says we have to answer charges under Articles 6 and 11c of the Uefa disciplinary regulations,which deal with lack of organisation and improper conduct of supporters.
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What are the chances of AC Milan's no 1 goalkeeper being injured or dropped before celtic play them in the return match?
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Bigchips
Thanks for sharing your photos.
One thought that still gives me the heebie geebies from the incident the other night; if we had scored 5 mins earlier we probably be looking at a whole different scenario, whether Dida dived or not. Really up the creek and no paddle.
Biggest slice of luck we had all night.
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Testing
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BigWavy,
None bigger.
I certainly slated the manager for his tactics in the previous CL game, however he called it right on this occasion.Well done WGS.
On the guy who entered the field off play i feel sorry for him.How many of us would have liked to run onto the pitch when the goal was scored but had the presence of mind not too.
The guy was in a state of extasy and in no way could be held responsible for his spur of the moment actions.
Celtic do that to you.
On Dr John Reid,I have known John for many, many years and had the pleasure to work with him closely a few years back.He is an absolute gentleman and will be a great assett in the new corridors of power, in which he now finds himself.
I have no doubt he has been brought in with pastures new in mind.
Hail Hail
JonG
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Back up and running again , finally
Folks , having problems getting on to setanta , can any one tell me what SPL games are been shown this weekend?. I need to know whether Im staying on or going out.
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Here is article 6:Member associations and clubs are responsible for the conduct of their players,officials,members,supporters and asny other persons exercisinga function at a match on behalf of the association or club.
The host association or club is responsible for order and security both inside and around the stadium before,during and after the match,it is liable for incidents of any kind,and can be rendred subject to disciplinary measures and bound to observe directives
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Article 11c states'spectators invade or attempt to invade the field of play,objects are thrown,fireworks ignited,or if order and discipline in the stadium area are otherwise not guaranteed
DBBIA/PerryMason CSC
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On the same section of the UEFA website, it reports a fairly modest fine for Anderlecht after their fans "tried to invade the pitch" during a recent CL qualifier.
It also says Mikoliunas has had a two-match ban upheld for "deceiving the referee".
Precedents are important.
All right, one Celtic fan actually did invade the pitch, but in the Anderlecht case it was "fans", plural.
If Mikoliunas received a ban for "deceiving the referee" in a less blatant way than Dida, he might be looking at a ban two.
Four other clubs were mentioned as receiving fines, in some cases for throwing objects onto the pitch. They included Red Star for their supporters' conduct during their home game against Rangers.
I'm trying to think-in a devil's advocate capacity-why we would receive anything harsher.
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Well at least we'll know our fate soon. There had been talk of 2-3 weeks so 6 days is not too long to wait.
Seeking clarification for the reasons behind the substitution puts Milan in a difficult position. Will they have the brass neck to claim Dodo was seriously injured, and if they do will UEFA accept this? Surely not.
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In La Stampa this morning, it says Dida is now persona non grata at AC Milan and that the club will move to replace him when the transfer window opens.
It said the high-ups at the club blamed him directly for McDonald's goal and for making such a ridiculous spectacle of himself afterwards.
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It does not mention what the sanctions may be.Article 11bis is much more specific,including stadium closure,playing behind closed doors etc so it may be hopeful that we are not being investigated under 11bis.
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DBBIA
On directives.
One possible move might be that instead of playing behind closed doors, the club may be told to empty up to ten rows from the front all around the ground, in order to spot and prevent possible future incursions.
Or, it may be in the clubs interest to offer to carry out this self policing move in an attempt to defuse the situation, no matter the outcome of the probe.
JonG
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Dont know if anyones already commented on it but I am giving thanks AC were still able to make a substitution. What would our position look like if they had already used all 3 subs?
Doesn't bear thinking about.
Another thought from the CL.
There seems to have been more Scots than English on view this week.
English Players (total: 12)
Chelsea: 4 (Terry, Cole, Cole, Sidwell)
Man U: 4 (Ferdinand, Carrick, Scholes, Rooney)
Liverpool: 3 ( Carragher, Gerrard, Crouch)
Celtic: 1 (Naylor)
Arsenal: 0
Scottish players(total: 13)
Rangers 8 (McGregor, Hutton, Weir, Adam , Ferguson, Thomson, McCulloch, Whittaker)
Celtic 5 (Kennedy , Caldwell, McManus, Hartley , Brown)
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One of the things that went unnoticed and should be commended the other night was Big Mick , doing the captains part and stepping in between Donati and Gattauso. While the latter two squared up , Big Mick immediately stepped in front of the odious gattauso and gave him a swift verbal volley , Gattauso then backtracked due to an intimidating Big Mick towering over him. Also of note was that Caldwell loitering with intent as backup.
Our players overawed? Not a chance.
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Now my facts are sketchy here but didn't a Rangers fan invade the park at Ibrox last year and run to the goalmouth or something?
The fact that he didn't touch anybody is no different from the current situation as clearly, Dida invented the 'incident'.
Looks like a fine!
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Len Brennan 11.07
It actually worries me that AC Milan might change their story to spare themselves any blushes never mind Dida.
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terrybhoy
Friday 19.30
Setanta Sports1 Dortmund v Bochum
Sat 20.30
Setanta Sports2 Sporting v Guimaraes
Sunday
SS2 11.30 Vitesse Arnhem v Feyenoord
SS1 12.00 Arsenal v Sunderland
SS1 15.00 Gretna v Celtic
SS2 16.00 Bayern Munich v Nurnberg
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Thismancraig 11.30
I asked last night what sanctions are imposed by UEFA when these attention-seeking streakers invade our football arenas. I am thinking in particular of a few seasons ago when that plonker from Liverpool went on the park bollock-naked at Hampden in the Champions League final. Often these types ruffle the hair of their sporting heroes in the passing yet this type of thing is often viewed as just horseeplay. Were the SFA hauled over the coals for the lack of security?
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TMC-do you mean the game against the Israeli team/?
I think it was a Palestinian sympathiser who handcuffed himself to the goals.His name was Sean Gallacher[?]so maybe not one a regular listener to the Black Skull Flute Band
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Piratecnic
Nice one! Ok, so what have we learned then?
From what I can gather, you're an appeaser and I'm a clipe!
Fair enough! Simplistic enough for you?
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Cheers El diego
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Clipe. Years since I heard that word. It's going to be my mot du jour for the rest of today.
A friend texted me to say that the invader was identified as one D.Riordan, whose excuse is that it was his only chance to get on the park under WGS (apologies if that's already appeared as I've been busy).
Jaiket's oan.
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Jeez,not more splits.
Appeasers v Clipes;~@
We're going to have to get a bigger bus...
Split,by longhaired British psychedelicblues behemoths the Groundhogs has made it onto the Kerrang!CSC playlist
Groundhog drummer Ken Pustelnik was born on a farm near Blairgowrie.
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Hi Fellas,
I am going to Milan for the game in december with about 15 mates. At the minute we have booked flights but haven't got tickets sorted. Any advice as to the best avenue to get tickets for a group?
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Given the comments Milan made on Wednesday night, I can't see how they can change their story now. I think they will have to admit that their keeper totally over-reacted. Perhaps they will try to explain his substitution due to shock???
Anyway I cannot see us getting more than a fine and a warning on future conduct.
Which means that at future games the stweards must be more vigalent and all fans must behave themselves. If there was to be another incident the club would suffer.
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Some comments from the SFA Chief exec quoted on the BBC:
"And Scottish Football Association chief executive Gordon Smith urged Uefa to punish the goalkeeper.
"He would like to see similar action taken by the governing body who handed a two-match ban to Lithuania's Saulius Mikoliunas for diving in a Euro 2008 qualifier against Scotland.
"Smith told the Daily Record: "I was at the match at Celtic Park but I did not see the fan come on to the pitch.
"From what I've been told he made what could be described as a friendly pat at the goalkeeper, who then decided to fall over.
"To see him leave the park on a stretcher could have been described as farcical.
"I would hope that Uefa act in accordance with their recent judgment on Mikoliunas.
"Smith added: "The fact of the matter is that Celtic will have a case to answer because their security was breached by the supporter who came on the park.
"Therefore there is nothing we can do to help them at this stage.
"What Uefa have to decide is whether Dida was guilty of simulation and whether it was intended to make the problem with the fan look even worse by indicating that he had been assaulted."
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Toomebridge-I don't think tix will be a problem.If you take your passport into certain outlets in Milan,eg banks,they sell them there.
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Promote Duffield.
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WizardofOZ @ 22:47 & 22:58
Now there's 2 posts that I totally agree with. Well said sir!
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'Therefore there is nothing we can do to help them at this stage.'
Surely this sentence should continue 'other than highlight Celtic's exemplary behaviour record including the award of a UEFA Fair Play Award'.
Even from a 'spin' perspective that would be better from Smith?
Twoprincescsc
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Groundhog drummer Ken Pustelnik was born on a farm near Blairgowrie.
Seen them at the Picasso circa 1970.
ThankGodfortheBombCSC
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Demote Duffield again.
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Gordon_J - nobody from Milan has actually said Dodo was at it. They have only said that they would not be complaining to UEFA about the incident. While this may imply they know he was cheating, it would not be a case of them changing their story.
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SOAL class
DBBIA should I?
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BigLiam @11.29, good post.
Gattuso was livid at Donati for not putting the ball out of play for an 'injured' AC player. Donati told the wee get that the player was rolling around like a lassie, and that we weren't stopping the game for that!
Gattuso is a world class wind-up merchant - his belligerence is his greatest weapon on the field (still - spit! - a really good player mind). It was brilliant to see the Skipper moving in and firmly putting him in his place.
I don't think any of us, on the field or in the ranks of supporters, enjoyed the win as much as Massimo.
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Duffield has only made a statement because he knows how it would look if he said nothing. Mark my words he neither wants to nor will help us now or in the future.
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GL2-The perfect end to a perfect week!Superblues Carlisle have taken 4 points out of 6 in their last 2 games,and are at home to lowly Cockney rejects Millwall.
I am quietly confident of all 3 points staying at Brunton.The players will want to impress new boss John Ward.
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thismancraig...
Now my facts are sketchy here but didn't a Rangers fan invade the park at Ibrox last year and run to the goalmouth or something?
A "fan" invaded the pitch, but he was actually a Celtic fan (the team he supports is by and large an irrelevance, merely the location is the issue) - He was wearing a t shirt bearing an image of the pope and wished to make a protest regarding Palestine.
The fact that he didn't touch anybody is no different from the current situation as clearly, Dida invented the 'incident'.
That's not the case. We can break this down into three seperate incidents essentially.
1. The guy evades security and gets onto the pitch.
2. What the guy does when on the pitch. In our case he gets physical with Dida.
3. Failure of security when the guy manages to escape both the stewards and the police.
Only part one bears resemblance to the Rangers case.
I still expect Celtic to be heavily punished, although I hope otherwise (naturally). Especially given our recent history and the Rangers fans wish to publish this.
For example - missile throwing in Milan last year. It would appear that whilst we, the fans, are civilised outside football grounds we are getting more unruly within them.
I might also add that we owe AC Milan a huge apology. The actions of one fan has caused embarrasment to AC (no fan, no Dida "dive"). Dida was struck with a flare in the recent past and suffered burns as a result. What if something different had happened? For example, instead of the hand round the neck, if Dida had hit the fan and hurt him badly? What then? Dida should suffer in silence?
We had a duty of care to Dida and the AC Milan team. They were our guests and they should have been safe. We as a club failed. For that we owe Milan a debt of gratitude that they aren't taking it further. We also owe Dida a debt of gratitude, as his actions have made it harder for UEFA to punish us.
He's a figure of fun. Journalists are now taking in terms of his career being over. Apparently he's also a figure of derision in the CA dressing room. That "fan" put Dida in that position.
In the end, I'm bitter. Until we get official word that we wont lose the points I can't enjoy the result. And if we only get a fine? My biggest emotion will be relief.
One of the finest victories in our history (and I mean that) spoilt by some self indulgent moron.
On a positive note : Gordon Strachan, take a bow. Where do I apply for membership of your fan club?
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DBBIA. Thanks for info re tickets in milan.
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DBBIA cheers my weekly donation to a bookie will include them.
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Anyone fancy a new screensaver ????
From Hampden_In_The_Sun, on Celticminded.com...............
Fortress Celtic Park
pablophanque
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No point calling G.Smith as a witness then. He saw nothing. Deficient eyesight to go along with suspect hearing. The man is an inspiration to all disabled people.
One point of slight concern is if Milan try to justify Dida's substitution on injury grounds.
I know that they have already issued statements about accepting the result, but there is now the question of sanctions on them and their player.
Their medics spent a ridiculous time ostensibly working on Dida. That was all about providing a basis for a protest, should they have needed one.
If you recall the El Hadji Diouf case. Bad as the spitting was, almost as sickening was Houllier claiming that to touch the head of someone from his culture was tantamount to an insult.
Houllier let himself down badly over that statement.
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Bryce,
Just read your post re Milan's possible Get out of Jail card.
not copying, honest.
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ToomeBridge Bhoy ,
If I remember correctly the bank you need to look for is Banca Impensa( or something to that effect) , they are the offical AC outlet. There not a problem to find as they are one of the main banks but depending on how many are travelling get there early , they open at 8.30
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mktw 11.46 you said
"Piratecnic
Nice one! Ok, so what have we learned then?
From what I can gather, you're an appeaser and I'm a clipe!
Fair enough! Simplistic enough for you?"
Yes, as far as me being an appeaser you are being simplistic. I wish you would read my posts through before commenting on them. How could standing up in the middle of a packed stadium and getting 'tore in' to a group of Celtic supporters intent on belting out sectarian songs be construed as the actions of an appeaser?
The one being "appeased" here is not a paedophile or a rapist. We are talking about some stupid galoot that got more carried away than the rest of us at Celtic's winning goal. He will have his day in court and should be dealt with appropriately. What is so appeasing about taking that attitude?
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Pablo
You should have received your book by now?
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LONDON, Oct 05 (Reuters) - UEFA have opened disciplinary proceedings against Celtic after an incident involving a fan in the Champions League victory over Milan on Wednesday.
The Scottish club will have to answer charges of lack of organisation and improper conduct of fans, UEFA confirmed on Friday. The Control and Disciplinary Body will deal with the matter on Oct. 11.
UEFA said they are also seeking clarification on why goalkeeper Dida was substituted in the closing minutes after Celtic had scored the winner.
Dida was carried off on a stretcher after a fan ran on to the pitch and appeared to make minimal contact with the Brazilian. The fan has since been banned for life from Celtic.
Does this mean we will not find out until next Thurs?
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P8ddy: it was only back in May that William Gaillard of uefa was encouraging Liverpool fans to take Celtic fans as an example of how to behave. Admittedly, this was with specific reference to the away support.
quotes here
AC Milan no doubt wield more influence in uefa circles than us, but I'd like to think we, as a club and a support, have accrued a bit of goodwill over the last few years.
I hope you're proved to be overly wary on this one.
Your comments on Dida are interesting. I'll consider feeling sympathy for him once we're officially off the hook.
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Get in there
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p8ddy
On a positive note : Gordon Strachan, take a bow. Where do I apply for membership of your fan club?
Knew you'd get there eventually - at least till the next time:>)
Good to have you back - won't be long till I'm infuriated and appreciative in equal measure
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sdstims, postal strike coupled with a distinct lack of mail over the last few weeks means, not so far... :o(
pablophanque
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P8ddy
Long time no hear (though I'm more of a lurker than a regular, so might have missed an earlier return).
Good to hear you back. Looking forward to forthright clinical analysis as always which is always far superior to happyclappy/mineshafting ranting.
On Duffield
Perhaps he is calling for stringent action on Dida because it that is stringent then so will the punishment be on Celtic. I'd settle for; the guy's embarassed himself and will be ridiculed for life and a wee uunder £10k fine for the 'tic, storm in a teacup outcome. For me a match ban for Dida will equal some serious pain for us.
Remeber who's now in chanrge of administration at UEFA.
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We are being investigated under articles 6 and 11c of the UEFA disciplinary regulations.
UEFA's own fair play charter and the fact that UEFA can't compete with lawyers means a sensible appropriate punishment will be delivered for all Parties.
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I agree with P&ddy that we owe Dida an apology and feel confident Celtic will already have done so, in the most formal way.
It's also worth pointing out (source, La Stampa) that the player has said he has no interest in pressing charges against the errant Celtic fan.
Everything coming from Milan speaks of playing this down. As mentioned yesterday, their 'Rapid Vienna' moment came in 1991 when they walked off the field in Marseille, refusing to play on after a floodlight failure. They received a one-year ban for their troubles and suffered substantial ridicule as a club.
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for all music lovers
the sex pistols are playing the Secc on the 18th November supported by Slf.
now thats what i call a night out
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P8ddy, a good assessment. We should not forget that we need to play in Milan before the end of this campaign.
Restoring any damaged relations between the clubs should be a priority. There may even be implications for our supporters over there if the Milan fans decide on a bit of retribution (not saying that they will just something worth bearing in mind)
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Mention of Rapid reminds me of the wonderful result they had in uefa the other nite.......after getting a draw away in the first leg, they managed to please us all by losing the home tie and so out of europe for another season. Deep joy:))
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sdstim - I missed that - you've made my day!! Along with Atletico they are the european team I most dislike!
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Boltonbhoy
Tell the guys your Atlético Madrid story, the one about the guy putting burny stuff on his gloves and rubbing it into Jinky's eyes.
Go on.
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Jon G - I cannot see how yu can excuse the actions of the idiot (I refuse to call him a supporter) from Cambuslang.
How do you explain his late arrival at Celtic park as a result of his attempts to sell his 'story' to the redtops?
Frank
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Aye, those Brazilians somehow manage to produce the best footballers in the world: Dida & Rivaldo to name just two. And apparently they're quite closely related to the Portuguese. Funny that!
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Boltonbhoy, just so you can see it in b&w :))
Rapid Vienna 0 Anderlecht 1
Akin 23
Attend: 17500
Half-time: 0-1
Anderlecht won 2-1 on aggregate
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One night while out in Valladolid in the late 70's I was introduced by a spanish friend to a guy who claimed to be in the Atletico squad that was at CP that night. He said that before the match the team had asked "How are we going to play this one" only for the argenitinian coach to reply "The Argentina way!" He also claimed that they had rubbed their gloves in linament and that each time they hacked down wee Jinky they picked him up, stroked his face seemingly in apology - but rubbed linament into his eyes at the same time thus making it difficult for him to see. I was always unsure about the veracity of the story (and can't remember the name of the player) until I heard Jinky himself mention it in an interview some years ago!
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Talking of the Royal Mail Pablo, has anyone received their ticket through the post for the home game with Milan yet? No... me neither.
(So what was the £5 delivery charge all about then?)
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If Dida does get punted does that mean they will go for Artur ?. That would be a b**t in the ***** !.
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p8ddy
As you say, the failing lay with Rangers as in this case it lies with Celtic. I have to disagree that the guy got 'physical' with Dida. If that is the case, then we should be thrown out of Europe. He did not get physical, if Dida had been 5ft 5 then he'd have ruffled his hair - a stupid example I'll admit.
I agree, that it could have been worse - the example you give of the reaction given Dida's previois is one I hadn't thought of.
I'm just trying to explain that I see us being fined for the guy entering / leaving the pitch - nothing more.
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Kano:
To ignore and to pity in equal measure are the biggest of insults that I can think off.
I gave up on that saddie a long time ago.
My only regret is tha I am unable to tell my kids I was there.
Like you I don't waste a single brain cell caring what evil UEFA will assualt us with.
The whole world looks on with interest and whatever happens it will be appropriate or it will be appealed by every football lover around the globe.
I just finished work five minutes ago and now I'M GOING BACK TO CELEBRATIONS.
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new article posted.
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The Dida entry on Cafflick school of the Timternet Wikipedia is currently'disabled due to vandalism.
Who was the referee of the infamous Inter/AC game that had to be abandoned when Dida was hit with a firework?
Step forward Markus Merk.
Co-incidence?
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Piratecnic
I'm trying my best not to get annoyed at the way you're continually hounding me from daring to disagree with one thing that you said. But here's my take on the whole issue.
I never said that you had to grass up anyone... Ever! I never said you should stand up and grass the morons who sing sectarian songs either. I know how you feel!
I actually feel sorry for the poor guy who ran on the pitch, because as someone else said, he was full of emotion and ecstacy and probably couldn't help himself. But hey, we're meant to be civilised animals, and we're meant to be able to control our emotions. He's proved himself to be a moron by apparently going to the Sun and trying to sell his story!
My immediate thoughts at the time it happened was... "We're in trouble here! Celtic need to do something fast to show that we're doing something about it." The best way to do something about it is to deal with the perpetrator, and I answered your specific question about grassing up HIM. No-one else... HIM!
You were the one who started introducing other factors into the equation regarding your neighbour and sister-in-law, which you then retracted saying they were made up, to which my response was, "that is entirely up to you!", just as similar events concerning me are entirely up to me.
Me, you and many other Celtic fans were robbed of celebrating a famous victory because of the aforesaid moron.
Now to answer your question with another question... If you KNEW who it was, would you let the authorities know? If your answer is NO, then you're an appeaser!
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Sean South,
Believe me I'm in no CQN cliques, have never met anyone from the blog or have any personal vendettas against you. It just grates on me when people constantly criticise my club, usually with nothing to back up their claims other than a personal dislike of our manager or something equally ridiculous.
I answered a question you put to the blog last week regarding why we hadn't signed two centre halfs that Newcastle signed for an astonishing £25,000 per week wage. It may interst you to know that neither of them played in their first team last week at centre half. Cacapa wasn't even quoted and Beye was assigned to play right back, making way for Taylor and Rozenahl. It may also interest you to know that this isa Newcastle team who haven't kept a clean sheet in over a year at home!!!
It's not easy this managerial lark.
Bryce Curdy,
I would reckon there can't be too many clubs of our stature who can carry three specialist right backs in their squad. Surely 2 and a player who can fill in if necessary would be the norm. I mean Man Utd have Neville and Brown with O'Shea able to fill in. We have Gary Caldwell who for my money seemed to be alrighton Wednesday at it, after all he did win the corner that lead to the winner from there, he also set up a goal at Dundee from there if memory serves me right.
A wee aside to all those who like to praise Walter Smith's superior tactical nous compared to our own Gordon Strachan.
In 20 CL games under Walter Smith, Rangers have won 5 and have never gone past the group stages.
Gordon has won 4 out of 10 including 2 clean sheets in 180 mins against the eventual winners and qualified for the last 16.
He's not done too badly if you ask me.
