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MAN THE PUMP’S………………….
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
was the cry on Wed………………………night
Thursday……………………………………..and
Some of 2day…………………………………….
The Good Ship Celtic is taking in water……………….
Foundering in the back of a “ diddy “ cup lossssssssss.
A heavy list to Port……………………………….
As the mineshafters look abandon ship……………..
But I see a ray of hope…………………………….
The pumps are holding…………………………
It looks like Benfica……………………………
are oooooooooooot the Portugease “ diddy cup tooooo
Lets get the Good Ship Celtic……………….
back on an even KEEL.
And full steam ahead…………………………..
to give a broadside to Kill…………….Marnock
BigjoeWHOthinksWGSwillgetUSbackOncourse
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the problem is that it is inconsistency which will lead to meltdown.
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Have itttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt
TheBigMANinwithANOTHER1st
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Malceye
... or not.
How can you possibly know?
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Malceye, a highly speculative assertion which I could dispute and which has been offered erroneously for 2.5 seasons now.
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Aye, but at least Celtic are inconsistently inconsistent, and frequently consistently consistent, unlike most of their rivals. That's why we're CHAMPIONS!
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C'mon now lads lets move on a little.
Been watchin the comments since Hearts game and they have started from 'DOOMED, we're all DOOMED', to 'i'm a better supporter than you!'
November is a big month for us so lets get behind the team and be the loyal (sorry) support we like to think we are. (btw that includes staying til the end of the games at CP)
Lets make the team proud of the support and not frightened of it.
Yes we do need some fresh quality in our side but canny do nowt about it til January so we've got what we've got now so support them.
If the manager/board fail to deliver in January the we have every right to be angry as the need is obvious but until then its a pointless conversation.
Lets get right into this
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Is this the start of a new pickup point for the big,mad supporters bus in hyperspace-the Meltdowners?
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Hurricane Noel thrashing it's way up the East coast of the USA.
Expected to hit the NY area in a couple of days.
Who picks these huricane names anyway???
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thelassiebeattie,
Apparently there was a hurricance Duffield last week but nobody noticed it :)
Big Wavy
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Hurricanes - Some bod who works for the US weather agency. Each Hurricane is assigned a letter, so the first one of the year gets A, and is then assigned a name, "alan" or whatever. Don't know if there's any gender bias.
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Actually - hurricane names are chosen in alphabetical order, alternating between male and female names.
Just don't know who thought of NOEL. I think someone made a phonecall somewhere.
I mean, whit's wrong with Nobby or Nuno or Noddy or Nincompoop.
If the next male one is called Paul we'll know for SHOOR it's a conspiracy.......
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They're hurricanes in the Atlantic,and typhoons in the Pacific.They were always named after girls but now the name alternates between the two.
Here's a picture of one:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Beaufort_scale_12.jpg
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Some ghuy used to post the Shipping forecast on here.
The good old days..
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TheLassieBeattie, a 90 mph wind is a hurricane, what else would anyone think of calling it?
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In Taiwan and mainland China they push the scale up to an impressive 17[!]
Blow the cobwebs away,that..
There's also this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saffir-Simpson_Hurricane_Scale
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The Times do a weekly Top 50, this week it's moments that shaped Liverpool FC - Celtic drop in at number 22...
22 Celtic v Liverpool, April 30, 1989
The first game after Hillsborough was a friendly in the truest sense of the word. Instead of selling Liverpool fans tickets in a block, Celtic spead them all around Parkhead in small groups, without any segregation. Liverpool won 4-0 but nobody cared. When the whole ground sang You’ll Never Walk Alone at the end, everybody in the stadium cried. Those who lack faith in football fans should have been there that day.
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Celtic fans, like all other football fans are a fickle bunch. They are never happy, and are always happiest when they are moaning about something. Football fans in general usually moan about the board of directors or the manager.
Under Martin O'Neill and now Gordon Strachan the club were/are relatively successful, but the fans have 2 main gripes about these eras,
1 - Poor football being played
2 - Poor transfer dealings
For (1) there is probably a bit of balance required for this one. Under Tommy Burns and Liam Brady before him, Celtic played some excellent football, but lacked penetration in the big matches. This resulted in no success. Should MO'N have and WGS possibly throw caution to the wind a bit more to entertain?
The subject of transfer dealings is dependent on luck much of the time.
Who would have thought that Henrik Larsson would have gone on to what he became, and this time last year, who would you have put your money on to become the biggest success at Celtic, Lee Naylor or Thomas Gravesen?
WG - Do I get your vote?
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I'm getting unconfirmed reports that Tinytim will get his wish this afternnon.
Can any Journos confirm this?
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VS-Meltdown?
Crikey!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Did anyone know that the Hearts fans were singing that slant on Big Jock the other night at Celtic Park? They also damaged some seats & wrecked a toilet,ripping stuff off the wall.
I never saw anything in the news about this so i wondered if you guys were aware of this.
Hail Hail
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Thismancraig, nice article.
i love the stuff about Celtic and liverpool being the best of friends etc. I have a soft spot for them for some bizarre reason myself.
However it never seems to get mentioned how the Jungle used to chant out 'who're the (pile of poo which rhymes with blight) of Merseyside, Liverpool etc in the early and mid eighties. I heard it was in the mistaken belief that KOP stood for King of Protestants.
Makes me cringe even now.
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Well I for ONE………………………
think that………………
NOEL…………………..
Is somehow……………………….
Quite an appropriate name for a hurricane……………….
BigJoe : - )))))))))))))))))))))))
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All these "lets take a step back" posts are just boring. There are clearly people who think results are the only thing that are important. Well good on you, if thats what makes you tick good luck to you. However for all us people incapable of "seeing the bigger picture", and making these leaps of faith that its better now than ever before - in context, looking at finance available and players available - Celtic are seriously underperforming as a result of bad management , poor people management, poor team selections, a lack of passion, poor tactics, square pegs in round holes, etc.. and to cap it off the manager thinks he's funny.
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VargaS - hopefully you're talking about a large turkey for Christmas and medical treatment for the gammy leg.
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Paul,
speculative, I agree and frankly, it was a cheap shot on my part. The issue of inconsistency or otherwise is not where I consider the problem lies.
Entertainment, 90 minutes worth watching. That is the real enemy at the present. The team do not produce such performances on anywhere near the regular basis that we should demand. "Should" because we pay for players who are better (perhaps omitting the defence) than anything our SPL opponents can offer. I hark back to my post on the last article which I will reprint here because I feel the points made need some debate. Considered debate, not the bland "we'll win on Saturday and be top of the league" response.
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Paul67 I think many of us would have loved this 'meltdown' during the bad guys nine in a row.
Any inside goss on transfers.
ps Bobo Balde you'll always be a star as far as I'm concerned, hope it all works out for you big man.
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VargaS same rumours going round my work. Nothing to substantiate though.
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Exactly what sort of rumours????
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I have not had time to read the posts lastnight/this morning. Therefore, forgive me if I am touching on a subject that has been exhausted already (although I doubt it). For me, Strachan packing all his troubles in his kit bag at the end of this season.
The current team, his team no 3, is going nowhere particularly fast. The fare on offer to the paying supporter is poor. It has been for quite some time. The fast flowing football on the ground promised 3 years ago has not materialised.
There is no leadership on the field - there is no dominant character who rallies (or feels able to rally) the team in time of need. McManus is not a leader, not a captain.
There is no direction in terms of overall strategy. The ball goes to McGeady and the hands are clasped together in prayer that he can create something. We're no longer a team who like to play through balls from midfield to the strikers to run onto - we're not an "up'n'under" team - we're not a "hit the bye line and cross team". We're a huff and puff to the edge of the penalty box team. There has clearly been no guidance as to what the next step should be.
We leak goals - I have said before that our away record in terms of conceding goals in every game is astonishing. Well, perhaps I should be blunt - its shocking. We're Celtic, not Stirling Albion.
Our signing policy has been flawed insofar as that policy has been restricted to the midfield and strikers. The failure to tackle and resolve the left and right back problems amounts to negligence in my view. That is now compounded by the injuries to the backs that we do have. As for the centre of defence, I find it hard to understand what it is that Messrs Caldwell, Pressley, and even McManus and Kennedy have to offer on a consistent week in/week out basis. More often than not, they are the guilty parties in the goals that are continuously conceded away from home.
All of these criticisms can be laid solely at the door of the manager. He will not cure them. The January transfer window will lead only to more tears of disappointment on the 31st January.
A profit is clearly of high importance to the Board. They must realise however, that prudence on such a Calvinistic scale will only lead to losses in the future as the lure and appeal of watching Celtic will, for some, diminish. Whatever we may think of that "some", they do unfortunately make up a fair proportion of the 60,000 capacity.
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Alright lads
Does anyone else agree with me in thinking that Robert McHendry has been dealt with a tad severely today in being given 120hours Community Service.
I thought he might have got away with a small fine.
Hopefully a good result tomorrow will banish some of the jitters some of us have had over the past few days.
Looking forward to tomorrow but can't help looking forward to Tuesday night just that wee bit more, though it is games like tomorrow that lead to nights like Tuesday!
2-0 tomorrow, I think we'll get that elusive clean sheet away from home.
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That WGS is offski
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Porridge-I understand Dida made an apology to the Milan fans before a game.
I think if RmcH was allowed back into CP for one more time to apologise publicly we could have brought the matter to a satisfactory end.
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I gathered that but there must be more to it than that...
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Panic Over - The Herald received a number of unconfirmed reports at lunchtime that Strachan was going to quit.
However this has proved to be nonsense
Tinytim sorry to dissappoint
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I expect little, if any, activity in the January window. Possibly Maloney but no more than that.
It wouldn't surprise me to find that GS will be away at the end of the season for whatever reason therefore funds will be retained for his successor.
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Well he will quit one day, and we'll miss him.
Malceye. Why bother reposting that, man? You think you've raised points worth debating, but there is absolutely nothing new in anything you've said.
It's debated every week on here.
Clearly some people will only be happy when Gordon Strachan does leave, shouting that they were right all along like the guy in Paul's clock analogy.
Then someone else will come and you can all complain about him instead.
I know, you don't have to say it. That's the same old discussion as well.
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DFWP
you get my vote
long live the smiths
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I'm sure even Tinytim would recognise the utter disaster that losing the manager in these timescales would have been!
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Ginger Helsman=unsplitter.
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Just to clarify - there was speculation at lunchtime from a few Scottish Newspapers that Strachan had handed in his resignation, however this is utter tosh.
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Malceye, I agree we are not getting great value for money, a complaint of mine which is well over a decade old, but I do think the performances have improved on last season, if not the results. I also think you overplayed the importance of profit to the board; they went a long time without if it was that important.
Jamaican… no goss worth repeating.
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CelticFirst
why bother posting at all then ? What particularly new strain of topic does Celtic raise and which is worthy of discussion ?
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Celtic First,
Great post. There is now a flock of posts signing off with the supposed fact that the manager will leave at the end of this season. I for one hope he doesn't. He's brought me, and many fellow celtic fans I know, great joy in the last couple of years and why would I want to put that at risk. But you can bet it will gain momentum and fuel rubbish rumours like the one that spread today. Who needs the old press when we have some celtic fans doing their dirty work.
The same self-righteous keep expressing that we should show respect for Bobo Balde but in the next breath lay into the manager regardless of what he has achieved.
If he does go at the end of the season I bet the usual suspects will pop up and use his record as a winning celtic manager to beat the next incumbent going through the inevitable transition.
Big Wavy
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I think that the idiot who ran on to the park should accept what punishment he has been given & get on with his life.Luckily for him it wasn't an assault charge he wasup on,if only because Dida was taught at the Prisoner : Cell Block H school of acting.
If we lost the three points we fought so hardly against AC Milan for because of him, i don't think many Celtic fans would be so kind towards him.
Hopefully he has learned a lesson & any other person who may have thoought of entering the field of play.
Hail Hail
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Malceye
I've already said. I know we end up raking over old ground every day, every week.
I replied to you specifically to suggest that reposting this raked-over old ground almost immediately was a rake too far.
Not that I'm the rake arbiter, so I don't expect you to do or refrain from doing anything for my sake.
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Big Wavy
To clarify my earlier post - I believe GS will want to leave in the summer. That's just my guess.
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Tell you what then, I'll join the forever sunshine gang -
"hey, we're top of the league, so we leak a few goals away from home, so what; championees; support the team, faithful through and through, blah, blah, blah."
That's the sort of banal offering regularly witnessed here which should be raked, preferably with a pick axe.
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I know the form has been inconsistant over the last month but I'm still relatively happy with it. I don't think I can recall Celtic playing as many games as we just did in such a short space of time, especially considering most of them were away from home with three of the away games being Ibrox, Benfica, and Ukraine. Add the amount of injuries and I think we could have suffered a worst month. I suppose if we lost to Milan it would have looked worse but the same goes if we held out a few more minutes against Benfica then it would have been seen as a terrific month. The schedule should looks more forgiving for us in the next month and hopefully it will allow us to get our momentum up again with the return to fitness of some key players. The following players have either been injured or picked up knocks in the last month.
Naylor - had to go off sick against Hearts
Mick - Got knocked out against Rangers
Wilson - serious injury
Doumbe - another serious injury
Hartley - Hamstring
Caddis - Our third choice RB still injured
Kennedy - Not last month but picked up an injury at the beginning of the season
Caldwell - picked up some knocks at the beginning of the month
Naka - our poty has been suffering a few injuries for the first time since coming to us
Riordan - was ill the other week
Jan - spent most of the last month out injured. People are criticizing him but I think it's no coincedence that our good form changed when him and Naka got injured.
Zurawski - Injured
It's quite a few players to get injured in a short space of time. Ontop of this Pressley has been out injured, Sno is just coming back to fitness, and McDonald has been jaded at times through having to lead the line by himself.
Bring on November I think it would be good. Let's hope November doesn't spawn a monster on us though!
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Malceye
You've taken that too far.
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Possilbhoy 1308
With reference to the hearts fans the other night, the were indeed singing the song about Jock and also the one the huns sing about the boys club. I believe they have been singing it at other games as well??
I thought we would hear it at some stage from them but what surprised me was the 'we are the peepil' chant and them doing the bouncy bouncy.
Add onto this their waving of union flags and you begin to wonder why they even bother going to swinecastle every other week and just go and join their brothers in hate in Govan.
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thismancraig - I was at that Liverpool game with my brother.
I think Dalgleish played a half for each team if I remember correctly.
Had to race home after the game to clean the house for ma parents coming back from a weekend away but that's another story!
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WGS will leave in the summer 100%
This must raise doubt about him being allowed to spend money in January.
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It’s not been Evander Sno’s week; right now he is outside the door of my office in Glasgow’s Merchant City trying to talk his way out of a parking ticket.
Despite some additional pleading from the builders across the road, it would appear that the Traffic Warden is a Hun and is going to issue the ticket!
Do you think all Traffic Wardens’ are Huns? :-)
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The rumours of Gordon Strachan's departure got me to thinking. Obviously the mineshafters would be pleased whilst happyclappers would likely be disappointed.
Whatever each one's shade of opinion however we would all have to address the question of who would replace him and I began to wonder if there was any concensus down the mineshaft as to what they all might be looking for in a replacement, one who might be both interested and affordable.
Are there many candidates available or are we limited in our choices? Are we looking for a tactician a motivator a coach or a figurehead? Does he need to have European experience or must he be familar with working in the British Leagues? What sort of track record is essential or are we looking for fresh ideas?
I began to think what a superb opportunity for those anxious to see Gordon Strachan replaced to state in advance of speculation on a successor just what sort of individual they might want what their criteria for the future might be and and who they saw as capable of satisfying this.
Perhaps someone out there would like to take up the challenge?
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Malceye
To give you a serious answer, only you can decide if you want to change your point of view, and if so when.
The only gripe I have with CQN posters who use the blog to vent their anger at the club, the board, the manager and the players (collectively and individually) is that far too few of them ever come back when a game has gone well and offer any praise.
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Thanks EDB,
What's your feeling based on ? His overall gameplan with us ? Frustration, etc ? Just curious.
Big Wavy
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Hoopy
Get down there and give the bhoy haunders.
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Hi Nelsbhoy,
100% seems pretty damn certain. What's your claim for that. I hope you are wrong and if not, then I'd agree on the january spend not being in the boss's control.
DB,
I was thinking about this earlier and refrained from asking the 'shafters the question. Like you I'd be intrigued with someone who could find the SPL recipe for success, compete in Europe, entertain us on and off the park, and keep the costs within our reaches.
I guess names will fulfill some of that (SPL and McGhee) but what about our lofty aspirations of euro away trips.
mmmmm
Big wavy
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CF
The reply you have given Malceye was similar to that you gave me yesterday."far too few of them ever come back when a game has gone well and offer any praise"
I think most of them do.A big problem on here is the Faithfull thru and thru brigaide who cannot stand the team or the board getting a hard time.The vast majority of posts from these so called Mineshafters are well thought out,contructive and bourne out of sheer frustration.They feel no Ills toward the club.
Debate from either end is good.
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Arsene Wenger?
Although before his appointment the Ginger Helmsman didn't tick many boxes.
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Nelsbhoy
I completely disagree with your comment, "most of them do", but I'll tell you this.
If Celtic play well and win tomorrow and the blog's content proves you right, I'll make a point of posting a message specifically for you saying, 'touché'.
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Big Wavy
Its no secret in pro game circles at the moment.Ex pro at work(former hun)and good friend of former Celt agent tells me that the wee man will go as Treble title winner and look to get in somewhere down south.If not he will deem this season as failure and walk away.
Source has been good so far.Told me last year that Scott Brown would be coming to us and not huns as all predicted.
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CF
You are a gent................
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Cheers Nelshoy,
Clearly I hope your source is wrong but it would certainly put a very different sheen on January's transfer dealings if it were the case.
Big Wavy
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I'm looking forward to seeing how Pressley does now he's back from injury. Hear me out first! I agree his form has been pretty poor but so was Hartley's as well and he has managed to win us over. Both players were playing with injuries and Pressley was playing with a back injury. I think if you're going to injure a part of your body then the last thing you'd want to hurt is your back. It limits the amount of running, turning, and jumping you can do. It stops you being able use your strength to good use and it can affect the way you strike a football. This injury alone can account for Pressley's poor form, but also it's worth remembering how messed up his season was last season's along with Hartley. He played under three managers I think, was involved in a dispute with the chairman and even had to manage the team for a while. Our games against Hearts in recent seasons have been as difficult as any and that is down to Pressley and Hartley. Despite them beating us on Wednesday they look a shadow of the team with them and it was certainly noticable that they were gone in our first game against them.
I think a fit and in form Pressley is an excellent addition to any team. In the season 05/06 Hearts conceded only 31 goals. That is incredible considering they didn't have much quality in their squad except a few good players. They had a number of one nil wins. Because the strikers weren't scoring much it put extra pressure on the defense and I think it's amazing how many clean sheets they kept. This was down mainly to Pressley and Webster and the latter praises the former for getting him through it. Last season Hearts struggled yet they still only conceeded 35 goals despite such poor form. Most of those goals happened after Pressley left. It's no surprise that they already have 21 goals lost in 11 games this season. He also has a decent scoring record.
Whether Pressley can regain that form is another matter but he says he feels much fresher since his operation so I'm hopeful he can. He is certainly a leader, there is no doubt about that and I think he and Mick can make a great partnership. Age is not an issue for me, people criticized Rangers for signing Weir because of his age and he's been arguably their best player so far. Age is not an issue with AC Milan either so I see no reason why it should be for us. Unless we are better than Milan?
I'm not saying Pressley will be the answer but I think he could be one of the unlikely heros by the end of the season.
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It's another part of life under El Gordo-how he polarises the support,almost like he's the King of the Splitters.
But it does seem strange that the same events are being observed by the kind of intelligent,articulate supporters that are the core of the blog and opposing conclusions are being reached. It's become a bit like politics. Or religion.
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Sean
Agree that he has exellent organisational skills.But its his lack of pace and turning circle of the QE2 that are his downfall.
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Don't think that anyone can know if the manager plans to leave in the Summer. That includes the manager himself. There's a lot still to be written between now and then and let's not forget that he's on a rolling contract. If he intended to go, notice would have to be served on the club several months ago. I may have missed something and I may be blind, but I haven't seen any indications of this.
Anyway, I've found out that I'm required to be in Marbella for the Benfica game :-( By any chance, does anyone know of any Celtic- friendly bars in the area?
LFT
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nelsbhoy
You are right he is pretty slow and he has shown to take ages to turn but they would be symptoms of his injury as well. Weir is even slower but it's not been an issue with him. If the team defends as a unit and is organized Pressley's pace and turning ability shouldn't be a problem. I think Mjallby is our best defender for the last god knows how many years and he wasn't quick. Rieper wasn't particularly quick either. Stubbsy is coping brilliantly in premiership and he's getting really slow.
I thought Pressley was excellent in the game against Hearts just after he joined. He was our captain playing against his old team and he faught like a Lion in that match.
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Lambo
more like gay friendly
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Sean, I take your points but I don't think that the manager will give Elvis many opportunities to be one of the heroes of the season although injury to JK or SM may force his hand given that Gary Caldwell is currently playing RB(until he succumbs to rightbackitis like they all do). Personally, I'd prefer Darren O'Dea getting a run in those circumstances.
I understand your rationale for the comparison with Paul Hartley but I feel that he is now performing to the level we expected when he signed. I, for one, never had a similar expectation re Elvis. What I got from him last year is what I expected unfortunately.
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Sean
Your argument is a persuasive one.I thought he would prove to be a good signing considering Hearts good defensive record in recent years.I think he is brave and strong in the tackle,but to me he gets drawn to the ball too often and is gulity of being unaware of space that he leaves for opponents.
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so GS walks out of press conference today, accusing Scottish Press of being like Serial Killers.
Don't beat around the bush Gordon!
Go on the wee man!
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You say you want a revolution
Well, you know
We all want to change the world
You tell me that it's evolution
Well, you know
We all want to change the world
But when you talk about destruction
Don't you know that you can count me out
Don't you know it's gonna be all right
all right, all right
You say you got a real solution
Well, you know
We'd all love to see the plan
You ask me for a contribution
Well, you know
We're doing what we can
But when you want money
for people with minds that hate
All I can tell is brother you have to wait
Don't you know it's gonna be all right
all right, all right
Ah
ah, ah, ah, ah, ah...
You say you'll change the constitution
Well, you know
We all want to change your head
You tell me it's the institution
Well, you know
You better free you mind instead
But if you go carrying pictures of chairman Mao
You ain't going to make it with anyone anyhow
Don't you know it's gonna be all right
all right, all right
all right, all right, all right
all right, all right, all right
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109steps, tell us more!
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Sean - I was all for us signing Pressley at the time because i was exhausted watching Bobo impersonate Conan the Barbarian. A lot of our fans miss the point on the Balde debate. They think that it's all about winning the first ball, but when you watch proper defenders like the AC Milan team, they very rarely contest the first ball & crucially they're positional sense is excellent & they know how to use the ball. What's the point in us winning 50/50 tackles if we're handing back possession to the opposition in the process - doesn't make sense unless you like Junior Football or Street Fighting.
Anyway Pressley definitely had a positive impact on players like McManus & O'Dea, but I thought he was terrible in the Scottish Cup Final where he was second to Jim McIntyre all afternoon. I think in the short term - he is our best bet alongside McManus, but to me we require an Experienced player of stature in that position. Someone like Sami Hyppia
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The 'serial killers/murderers' quote came from Radio Scotland and referred to the press twisting quotes and changing the context to suit their own agenda.
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I'm not sure about Sami Hyppia, I rate him highly but he's been a train wreck for Liverpool lately. If all he needs is a new team for a fresh start to regain his form then he'd be an excellent signing but I'm not sure he will. It would be a gamble. He'll be on massive wages as well.
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Nice quote from Gordon haha. Maybe he's been taking tips from heather Mills lol
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Paul I know you have a language violation deletion option. Would it be possible to introduce a MINCE!! option also. That would mean there would be more intelligent, constructive dialogue and debate with people contributing meaningfully to this site. As it stands this is not always the case.
There is an increasing load of old MINCE SPOUTED ON THIS SITE WITH REGARD TO THE MANAGER and I am completely sick of it. Since Gordon Strachan's appointment I have never read anywhere, nor heard from any source, any real insightful or constructive criticism of the wee man!! To the best of my knowledge there has not been another successful Celtic manager who has had so much criticism fired at him, most of it unjustified, unfounded and just plain wrong.
Some of those who do so, include people who disgracefully would criticise him no matter what he achieved simply because he is not a celtic man, whatever that means!!! Quite shameful. I do not give a toss whether our manager has a Celtic background or not. I want someone who knows what he is doing, and will bring trophies to Celtic Park, Gordon Strachan has done so. Those who call for his sacking should be ashamed of themselves considering he does not merit this.
He has won the league twice by significant margins and your still not happy! He has steered us to the last sixteen of the champions league and your still not happy! He has built a platform for us to retain the championship this season and your still not happy.
Some of the numpties and wasters that have occupied the manager's position in the past and have failed miserably, have not received half the criticism Gordon Strachan has recieved. This I find not only disturbing, but unfathomable.
If we consider failure in the league cup then there's surely no greater failure than Jock Stein. That is, if one follows the flawed thinking of many people who post on this site.
It would appear from many comments that any mistakes made by Gordon Strachan are unprecedented in any Celtic manager's tenure. This is the ludicrous inference coming from many posts. A hell of a lot of ill thought out, illogical and frankly malicious views
have been expressed on this subject.
I look forward to the day when I read something insightful intelligent and coherent, not some rant which has at its base an unedifying view of who or who should not be associated with this club.
That day has yet to arrive!
I would rather Gordon Strachan be associated with Celtic than some.
I for one am happy that he is the Celtic manager, and am content for this to be be so for the forseeable future.
If this seems like a mad angry rant, well you would probably be right! I am mad! I am angry.
I get angry when I see, or hear of people being unjustly denigrated and critised when they do not deserve such treatment. I just felt it was time for someone to stick up for the manager against the various and unjust accusation thrown at him. I just hope that when we win the league, those critical of the manager will sit and reflect that he will have won the most significant of the championships of his tebure.
Triumphing over the WALLY. The man who helped them to nine in a row and who will have been shown to be fallable, not some genius as some seem to think.
Keep up the good work Gordon.
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109steps
thanks for that. The rationale for the comaprison escapes me for the moment but so what? Stick it to them, Gordon.
VS,I think JK has done pretty well in Europe and,for me, deserves to stay in the team. I agree that Elvis helps the younger players and maybe would provide that experienced face that our youngsters need to see in the dressing room (ref an earlier post from can't remember who). I don't dispute his ability to organise so maybe there should be a defensive coaching role for SP at CP (sooner rather than later)
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just got an email from a mate who says that there is a press conference at 3pm
he says that WGS is for the wanchope
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SoAL,
I've no preference on where I watch the game or who I watch it with (FF'ers excepted).... however I'm very particular on my other preferences. Although, as Archie once said following on from a news item about someone with a particular fondness for intamacy with octogenarians "don't knock it until you've tried it" - on second thoughts may be not.
LFT
PS. Last decent centrehalf with pace - Paul Elliot.
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Press conference past, WGS still in charge.
And thank goodness, what would it be like with Neil Lennon and Peter the Pointer in charge!
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Should have been intimacy, of course. Still doen't bear thinking about.
LFT
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I see a clinic full of cynics
Who want to twist the peoples' wrist
They're watching every move we make
We're all included on the list
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Ragnar, a mince policy, hmmm, mince. But, enough of last night, it’s a fish supper for me tonight.
Lambosfront, Paul Elliot went down a storm in the terraces, but was considerably less appreciated by his team mates for his positional and tactical naivety.
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Aw naw
a fun boy three fan
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Sammi Hyypia is older and slower than Steven Pressley. He would not be the answer.
We should be going after guys like Mirel Rădoi of Steaua Bucharest, or Stefan Radu of Dinamo Bucharest.
Value for money, youth on their side etc etc.
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No nuclear the cowboy told us
And who am i to disagree
'Cos when the madman flips the switch
The nuclear will go for me
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L18
Really? Interesting!
Wiki morsel
'In 2005, ESPN declared Wanchope's goal against Numancia the best of the entire 2004/05 Spanish First Division . On 9 June 2006, he scored twice in the opening game of the 2006 World Cup, a 4-2 loss to Germany. These two goals made Wanchope the first Costa Rican to score twice in one World Cup match, and put him alongside Rónald Gómez as the only Costa Ricans ever to score more than one World Cup goal. After the defeat to Germany, Costa Rica were defeated by both Ecuador and Poland. Thus Costa Rica finished last in their group and failed to qualify for the second round. Wanchope played his last game for his country in the defeat to Poland. In 2006, following the World Cup in Germany, he signed with Argentine club Rosario Central. [1], scoring 5 goals in 14 games.
On 29 December 2006, J. League first division club FC Tokyo announced the acquisition of Wanchope on a transfer from Rosario Central. Along with prospect Sota Hirayama, Wanchope gave FC Tokyo a pair of large (190cm+) strikers. He was recently released by FC Tokyo and subsequently signed a one year deal with MLS team Chicago Fire.'
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He's 31 by the way..
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Ragnar- so debate that is constructive and meaningful would consist of 100% agreement on the wondrousness of the Ginger Helmsman and his Big Book of Cunning Plans? Err,no.
As long as debate doesn't descend into personal abuse, then it must be seen as the spice that makes CQN such a varied,spicy and addictive dish. Think chilli con carne,rather than mince;~0
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Arthur,
Fun Bhoy 3inarow
I've seen the faces of starvation
But i just can not see the points
'Cos there's so much food here today
That no one wants to take away
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Marty the Maestro - on paper signing Young European players & developing them makes perfect sense. I know this is the strategy that Celtic are pursuing because they are financially restricted but i have real doubts that this is the way forward.
The main reason Stilian Petrov was successful was because he played with a group of experienced players. There is not sufficient experience in the current squad for O'Dea/McManus/Kennedy/Brown/Donati/McGeady/McDoanld to improve.
How long do we persevere with Mark Wilson, Evander Sno & Gary Caldwell. How many more cup exits & major errors do we have to sit & watch before the penny finally drops. If they wear the hoops, they'll always get my support, but we need a serious reality check & a re assessment of our Signing Strategy. Mirel Rădoi of Steaua Bucharest & Stefan Radu of Dinamo Bucharest may well be top players, but they'll stand still unless they're in beside quality & experience.
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CelticFirst
There will be no need for a "touche" call for me. I am more than happy enough to come back and acknowledge a good performance. Why shouldn't I? That is of course what I want. The problem is that there have been too few occasions demanding any such response.
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Awenaw-nuclear cowboys? Col Paul W Tibbets Jr died yesterday, the captain and pilot of the B29'Enola Gay'.
He was 92.
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Brattback old chum
100% agreement absolutely not!
constructive criticism absolutely!
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Ragnar at 14:50
Well said. Like you I find the level of criticism of WGS unfathomable (good choice of word)
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The lunatics have taken over the asylum
The lunatics have taken over the asylum
DBBIA
I wonder if that has them in a bit of a conundrun upstairs ?
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Is anyone else having problems with ch67? I'm entering my username and password fine on the log in screen (on windows media player) but once i close, it wont start as expected but rather when I press play it will bring up the log in screen again.
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Ragnar, ex of the hirsute hose?
A reasonable question regarding the events of Wednesday.
Why were there no defenders on the bench? Only one man knows the answer to that. Given recent events it was not unforeseeable that a defender would get injured; so upshot is our two best midfielders this season get played out of position for the whole of the second half;and poor ESno gets terrible,and unwarranted abuse.
Picking the team[and subs] comes under his remit, no?
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You could always argue that Evander Sno was the defender on the bench. I think Gordon wanted to give O'Dea some match practise as he hasn't played much with being on the bench, the reserve game against Rangers was a good game for him to be involved in because of the number of top quality players involved. It was unfortunate that Naylor had to go off as he never does. In hindsight it was a wrong decision but another day if we took our chances we would be saying it was a satisfactory result and O'Dea got some match practise at left back playing against Rangers.
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DBBIA,
Every fit defender we have with the exception of Darren O ´Dea was on the pitch.
So your question has to be why was Darren O´Dea not chosen to go on the bench.
I´ve been asking why is he not in the first team his performances last xmas and January and February have not been forgotten (well not by me)
I recently put the question to the man himself and I was pretty surprised about how open and vociferous he was about not being in the first team !
Our lack of defenders has nowt to do with Wednesday night and everything to do with the summer
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Brattback.
A perfectly valid question.
My answer to it is this.
Dunno?
This is something I would criticise G S for, that is not buying defenders, even just as back up for the first choice players.
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But when ESno came on he wasn't a straight swop for LN,which would have meant keeping the midfield[the strength of the team] intact.
NBonaparte,the AWenger of his day, said'never weaken the strong to strengthen the weak'.
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I thought moving Hartley to left back was the best option myself. What I would have done differently though was bring on Jarosik rather than Sno.
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In order to govern, the question is not to follow out a more or less valid theory but to build with whatever materials are at hand. The inevitable must be accepted and turned to advantage.
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So at the end of the summer we had
Wilson who can play right and left back
Doumbe who can play right back and some even say left though he's never been seen there.
Caldwell Central defender and has played right back
Naylor - left back
Mc Manus Central Defender and has played left back
O Dea Central Defender and has played left back
We also had Pressley Balde Kennedy who can play central defence if the central defenders are needed to play at full back in a time of crisis.
So we had 3 players to cover right back 3 players who could cover left back and 3 other central defenders available.
WGS took a calculated gamble perhaps if the players of calibre he wanted weren't available then?
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Ragnar
there is undoubtedly comment on here which comes with emotion....we can all be guilty of putting our thoughts in the blog without our brain fully engaged at times....but that is not the sole prerogative of any one group.....criticisms and defences can be equally knee jerk.....
there is no specific celtic supporting dna...no-one has the right to define themselves as the identikit celtic supporter
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Just listened to our manager's media conference. I thought he sounded stressed out but intent on letting the media know exactly what he thought of them (and taped it to make sure he wouldn't be misquoted: which, of course, he will). I would urge everyone to listen to it and get behind him and the team tomorrow.
No matter what you think of his choice of personnel or of the personnel themselves, it is obvious to me that he and the team are doing their best.
Paul,
I was disappointed to read what you said his team-mates had to say about Paul Elliot. Looked sheer class to me, as did Stubbs but that is another story. Personally, I don't think any of our CBs, including the reputed 6th in line, could lace their boots. And I still have more confidence in the 6th in line than the 5 ahead of him in the queue, poor though he is.
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anyone got a link to the press confernece?
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Gordon Strachan On The Scottish Press
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Paul,
I agree that if we take a deep breath and stand back and look at the current situation objectively, things aren’t all bad.
Now here’s the rub…
The deficiencies in the squad have long been debated, and I think most of us know what they are. So, despite the current position I think there’s a feeling of “we won’t get away with this forever”.
Sure we’re a hard bunch to please at times, but I detect a real sense of frustration that we’re only a couple of decent players away from taking another leap forward. I believe we have tried to address this in the last couple of transfer windows, but failed for reasons unknown. Pure conjecture here…would we now be 9 points clear and discussing possible last 8 in the CL if we got that defence fixed in the summer??
This summer I think the consensus on here was “lets spend that 14M and hammer the final nail in Rankers’ coffin”.
Now the above figure is pure speculation on my part, based on a sustainable NET spend of 7M per season…remember that? : )
Of course nobody from Celtic ever corroborated these figures. Why reveal your transfer budget to the whole of Europe?
The point is that we’ve given Rankers hope by not fixing what needs fixed, and we didn’t have to get into debt to do it.
My own feeling in the summer was that we should be at a stage where we don’t measure our progress against Rankers, rather we consolidate our position and try to progress in Europe.
I certainly think the ambition is there. Graveson, Jarosik, JVOH, Nakamura, Brown, Boruc for example. I don’t think anyone could have predicted the lack of impact made by some of these players…obviously not Gordon Strachan. It has been suggested that there is a reluctance to give the manager more funds due to perceived failings in the transfer market. In my opinion this is nonsense. I’m sure the wee man wouldn’t be seen for dust if he thought the board didn’t trust him with our money.
The frustration for me is that having cleared out what was perceived as “deadwood” in the early part of WGS tenure, we’ve gone and bought more!
So lets try not to polarise the debate. The optimistic among us can rightly cite two SPL titles and last 16 in CL, but would be deluded to ignore where the changes are required. Those who feel we are heading for meltdown must all be underage if you think this is bad : )
In my opinion the truth is somewhere in the middle. Celtic have stagnated a wee bit on the park, but the problems are VERY “fixable”. Although there are decisions worthy of criticism, and his apparent stubborness drives us mental at times, the manager’s success so far surely has earned him the latitude to put right the shortcomings which are now being manifested on the park.
We’ve reaped what we’ve sown. I truly hope he sees it’s not working.
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Paul Elliott was good enough to play in Italy;only came to Celtic after his knee got dodgy. It was a really good piece of work by our then physio Brian Scott, to get him playing again.
And then he sued us. Could have been a great captain,won the SPFA POTY in 1991,signs for Chelsea,gets his knee wrecked by DSaunders and his career was finished.He then took Saunders to court,and lost.
It also says on Wiki that he was racially abused by opposing fans in his time at Celtic;MWalters always crops up when this is discussed,but never PElliott. Funny,that..
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Marcella
Very balanced. Congrats. You've expressed crticism and praise in equal measure something unfortunately others of a negative disposition often fail to do so that despite making relevant points their comments only appear as consistent whinges. All in the presentation perhaps?
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Yaaaaaas!
The Scottish Press,
The Rangers Support,
FollowFollow
Tinytim-
GET IT RIGHT ROUND EVERY LAST ONE OF YOU.
Gordon Strachan is going nowhere.
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In the best traditions of balance, after the Wiki entry on Larkfield in Greenock,here is what is said about Castlehill in Dumbarton:
'It's also full of jakies and junkies'
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Noel
So you're disappointed that he's staying then?
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DBBIA,
Castlehill 1 Larkfield 0
....though it could well have been referring to the day of Larkfield jakies on tour in Dunbartonshire
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Last one (for now) from my the new Wiki game.... re Boglestone in Port Glasgow (easy target, I know)
"The library was recently closed by Inverclyde Council because the librarians were holding very late night poker games with drinks and they got up to no good".
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I reckon Gordon Strachan's press conference today should be framed in the CQN archive and brought out every now and then to remind the whiners who don't like GS because of his treatment of the press.
Well said Gordon!
Isn't it marvellous and amusing to hear some whingers moan about what a dreadful defence we have... What, you mean the one that has the best defensive record in the league??
The same moaners who whinge about our inept attacking displays... What, you mean the strikeforce that has scored the most amount of goals in the league?
The same miseries who moan about our tactically inept manager with no more than a "never liked him anyway" attitude... What, that same manager who's sitting on top of the league???
It must be awful for you in that cold, dark, place down there!
Oh, and as for the Sno-baiters... how you gonna feel when Big Evander is turning in match-winning performances in Europe in the near future? Shame on you all! All I can say is, you don't know a good footballer when you see one! Well, you prove that with your continual baiting of Gary Caldwell too.
Can't you see that Gordon is building for the future? All of these young players who may or may not be making the odd mistake are going to be tremendous players (and a tremendous team) in a few years, and I for one have the patience to wait for it.
The fact that we're still winning while we're learning is a big plus point for me.
Bobo Balde the best defender in Scotland???? Give me a break!! How you expect him anywhere near the first team when his head's not in the right place is beyond me. Sitting in the stand is about the nearest he should get to the park.
The same people who want Bobo back in the team because of his no-nonsense approach to defending are the same people who moan about the current team 'lumping it up the park'.
Go on Gordon, I for one am right behind you!
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SACK DUFFIELD
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Any visitors from the Castro district in San Francisco to the west of Scotland,keen on partaking of the gay scene in Port Glasgow may find the Wiki entry on Springhill of interest:
'Springhill is an area of Port Glasgow, Scotland noted for its views over the River Clyde.Springhill is full of harry hoofters'
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Peter...
Argyle Bar it was... Always got those two mixed up.
Sadiesbhoy...
My mum remembers you as "a tall, blonde laddie". Doesn't recall you getting up to much mischief, right enough!
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I remember MON saying on more than one occasion in response to those who criticised him for not giving the young uns a chance: Look they can play well when they are surrounded by experienced players, but if you put two or three in the team then they won't look so good. This is of course what Gordon is trying to do, and IMO he's making a pretty good fist of it.
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Paul
Hope you don't mind, but I can't make a gig and if anyone is interested..
4 tickets for the wonderful Crowded House at SECC on evening of Friday 30 November. £32.50 each (face value of course) and I'll even waive the outrageous £15 the SECC charged me for posting them out to me.
Wish I could be there, but not to be.
taggsybhoy@yahoo.com
Sorry, back to slagging each other off everyone...
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Noel ah phoned RClyde the other night to take Davy Provan to task and about his assertion that Gordon had to justify his team selections to the Celtic fans.
Ah was also going to take all the panel to task over thier "touchy" comments re the Celtic manager and the Weir story was going to feature as an eg.
Ah wiz unlucky didnt get on.
Maybe the night.
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hmmm, if a rumour can be official then today we had the first official rumour that wgs was for the off, interesting, whilst celtic are top of the league etc.
hmmm, full unadultereated coverage 'again' of a fan who dared run onto the pitch, and how his dastardly
(dastardly Paul) deeds failed to induce imprisonment
or worse
celtic playing tomorrow?
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You know, I have noted a difference between the perceived "minshafters" and those of a more optimistic disposition.
Whereas I and others criticise various aspects of the TEAM and COACH for their style of play, personnel etc, the main thrust of the ripostes is to attack those who dare to criticise.
We're "moaners" "whingers", "miseries" living in a "cold dark place". Well, excuse me for not falling into line herr capitan. It was debate rather than bait I had hoped for. The bait riles me so much that I must leave you one mineshafter down. Enjoy the permanent sunshine.
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There's me out in the world completely unaware that we had momentarily lost and yet regained our manager. There must have been a few back pages soiled by man mayonnaise.
If stories like that are circulating, being formulated, concatonated then we should take strength as a support that we are still feared as a force.
Surely that should be enough to join us together (Liking WGS or what he does and how he does it aside)
That's one of us they're having a go at! And they do it to unsettle us and keep the unrest cauldron bubbling away. And to sell their papers.
On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero (Quoting Fight Club)
Those of you hating WGS's tenure can at least take some solace in the fact that it will end and most of it (So far) was statistically successful. And someone else will become manager, and we'll all get a little bit older and some will like that manager and some won't.
This too must pass...
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Taggs- yes,it's been a bit of a Jeremy Kyle Show day on the ould blog.
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Terry-
cue Shoo Keevins hiding under the console.......
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H.Keevins has just stated that he thinks "that there are certain people in the media who are out to get G.Strachan".
Do you think Keevins has been reading CQN this week?
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Malceye
I read and appreciate what you write - whether or not I agree with it.
Please don't let the ping pong of blanket name calling get you down. They are only words and are usually not part of an argument.
I myself believe, firmly believe, that you can split the world into two camps - those who like cucumber and those who don't. My belief neither changes the production of said cucumbers or indeed the two seperate camps my belief maps out. I still believe it to be true though.
Don't leave the site. Validity. Your opinion is valid. And I hope everyone would welcome it, whether or not they agree with it.
Oh and as an aside - What's your thoughts on cucumbers? Over and above their green/ness (Is that a word?)that is.
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At 02/11/07 16:43, barcabhoy said…
'there is undoubtedly comment on here which comes with emotion....we can all be guilty of putting our thoughts in the blog without our brain fully engaged at times....but that is not the sole prerogative of any one group.....criticisms and defences can be equally knee jerk.....
there is no specific celtic supporting dna...no-one has the right to define themselves as the identikit celtic supporter'
Good post/statement mate, a small few ppl on here at times are rather self righteous, cyber hardmen wannabees.
While on this subject I'd like to thank Bhoyfour for his exclamation ridden, non-abusive post telling me to get my brain in gear after my 'kneejerk' post after the Benfica game....was still hurting from the huns game and carried it over and was guilty of a stupid reactive post...it worked mate,gave me a shake.
I mean that sincerely, cheers.
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Thanks for press conference article Noel. I do love the wee man when he tells it like it is.
Hail Hail
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You sound in good form sds.
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although not on a par with his disasterous tactical naivety which contributed to our elimination from the cis cup gordon strachan scores another o.g.
he has now given the media manna from heaven with his latest cantonaesque ramblings and comparisons with serial killers.
oh joy of joy of joy, hook line and sinker he walked right into it, don't they just love it cue the tabloid "serial killer' headlines
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U
Nah - 10 types of people, the old binary gag.
Cucumbers - good for the eyes apparently.
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Nelsbhoy how you doin ?
Am gone oot for a gargle,listening to Clyde theyve taken ma point probably wont get oan,it really rips ma knitting when people go on and have a go at Gordon Strachan on air.
By all means critise but do it amongst fellow tims in the pub or on here, not on air.
Air is for defending Celtic.
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Hey it's Friday John_H....I'm in 'happy-clapper' mode:)
Honesty always the best policy, I don't suffer fools gladly so self criticism comes easy to me lol
Hope you had a grand time in Dublin by the way.
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yogissannies
Cantona never ever said anything not worth listening to, IMO, just 'cos you didn't understand him makes him wrong.
Just wait until JR gets going, I reckon you will be living under your bed.
:)
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yoggissannies:
Not unexpectedly you get it wrong again.
At no point did WGS compare the press to serial killers.
He used the analogy of films seen where the bad guys cut out words from newspapers to make up messages. He could have said kidnappers or terrorists he said serial killers.
The analogy was with making up stories based on actual words used but rearranged to suit others agendas.
Are you a member of the 3rd Estate per chance?
(PS " disasterous tactical naivety" poor man you need to get out more, your brain has already left)
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sdstim
he just demonstrated he is not fly, like like what his
predecessor was, and who ran rings round them here
(:-)
bring on jr
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63thirds
i am sorry for your condescension - have u got something to say?
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Are you going local Terry?
Mind be on yer best behaviour and dony gei Maria A showinup noo.Ahm stuck under the stairs wae a bottle of vino and a couple of cans.
Maybe post with you ra morra.
Enjoy yersel.
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yogissannies
Fair do's, but have to say I've never cringed at anything GS has said. Disagreed yes, but never a cringe.
JR will tear a new hole in the ozone. We have the most vociferous, anti-Celtic 7 months coming up in decades, we have to be and will be prepared to fight fire with fire, at last.
Hail Hail mate.
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nelsbhoy
Please don't take the nip but I'd be grateful if you would delete your post at 18.29.
As has been pointed out previously youngsters read CQN and it's not difficult to see you have breached the language code.
Thanks.
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sdstim
don't think it was one of his better interviews gs's better interviews.
hope you are right about jr, and wonder what he thought about e.g. the nine yellows at ibrox, should
celtic just accept that unprecedented demonstration without comment, or enquiry?
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ElDiegoBhoy
My apologies, post deleted.Just dissapointed that Malceye felt so strongly about the direction of the forum that he was throwing in the towel.
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If a Celtic manager treats the media with contempt he is treated with contempt and they attempt to drag the club through the mud however if a Celtic manager treats the media with respect he is treated with contempt and they attempt to drag the club through the mud.
So if you are the Celtic manager how would you treat them? Bit of a no brainer really!!
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Long time reader, just sorted out my password.
Listened to Clyde someone phoned in and mentioned that the year without an away clean sheet stat was 'broke by a web site who have an attendee at press conferences'
Keevins made a blanket statement all web sites are a hot bed of profanity and wild rumours. Peter Maguire popped into say not all sites, does anybody think he is trying to sook back in?
I only use this site and Kerrydale Street, you always get rumours on anysite but Ive not read any profanity. Can guess where he has been looking.
It got me thinking. If the Sheff Wed site can be taken to court, can a site take the likes of Keevins to court?
BlantyreKev agree with your letters yesterday.
A fellow G72er
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yogissannies
I believe here in Holland they have done and are planning to use this season independent Belgian referees for top games i.e. Ajax v PSV/Feyenoord.
Mooted in the past for Scotland; long overdue but will never happen.
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nelsbhoy
Thank you. No need to apologise.
We can't all agree all of the time and of course malceye must continue to have his say. I doubt Paul would wish it any other way.
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Nelsbhoy am goin local down in Acapulco,well actually drinking Corona in Angels Uddingston.
Maria's stayin in, am oot so shown up could well be oan the cards.
Lets see Pint of Tennents to quaff,for the quench thats in it,rid the dust ae the day.
Then Corona's,grudge paying for them but like the taste,al hiv tae go tae Mexico an try it oan draught.
Might throw in the odd Jack Daniels,am oot the morra night so thats a consideration at the moment may well fly oot the windae later.
Al be in the bar if yae fancy it.
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An English referee would probably be worse going by their general standard by the way....couldn't handle a Glasgow Derby any of them.
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miketw10
fair doos!
and for the rest........
Come and listen you fellows, so young and so fine,
And seek not your fortune in the dark, dreary mines.
It will form as a habit and seep in your soul,
'Till the stream of your blood is as black as the coal.
CHORUS:
It's dark as a dungeon and damp as the dew,
Where danger is double and pleasures are few,
Where the rain never falls and the sun never shines
It's dark as a dungeon way down in the mine.
merle travis
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sdstim
some of the worst i've seen have been on
match of the day.
somebody said english referees weren't allowed to hold club season tickets whilst reffing, coudn't happen
here(:-)
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the bhoyblack
thats the money comment right there my friend.
whilst some of the managers after match stuff can be a tad brisk he is constantly on the defensive from media and waiting for them to have a go about something.
Can you imagine the same level of questioning and attitude toward the cardigan........(everyone remembers the famous interview that never was with chick young) it simply would not happen.
Recently Peter martin asked him a remotely tricky one and the toys were right out the pram and he refused to talk to clyde for a few days. The calls and apologies that followed must have huge as a few days later the bold Peter has a 1 to 1 with Wattie and you could hear the slurping.
All managers are treated the same.........aye right!
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thebhoyblack
fair point, but to the contrary "keep your friends close and your enemies even closer"
king kenny treated them with contempt but we don't want to go down the bairds bar routine again do we?
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Despite the generally fractious nature of the blog today, I'm looking forward to another giant step toward 3iar tomorrow at rugby Park.
I can't see the Gers dropping points at home to ICT so we need to put on some pressure and place some doubt in them by winning beforehand. A clean sheet would be nice but 3-1, 4-1 and 5-1 are all preferable to a nervy 1:0.
2 great games coming up against Killie away and then Benfica. Sometimes you have to count your blessings that this is the team we get to support.
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Terry
Mind keep yer eyes aff the Angels in Angels.
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moisey17,
Absolutely and let's not forget MON and WGS both have loads of media experience but they both are potrayed as being these snippy characters who have a problem being interviewed it is a joke and I think they are absolutely right to fight back.
I'm not advocating going back to the press conference being in supporter's clubs ..... or am I?
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• At 01/11/07 22:21, Seville67 said…
Any fullback cover last night and we would not have lost the goals. Both were lost because our holding midfielder was playing left back. The goals came from the area that PH would have been managing.
*the day before we had four centre halfs comprising our back four in the reserve game against the apprentice boys, so it’s pretty evident that we have a full back concern throughout the club.
I had a lassie call in sick today so I had a student covering for her, failing that one of the other employees would have stepped in, my boss didnae say it’s my fault for not having a full time employee sitting around picking up money for oul rope waiting for the flu season tae begin, we just go with what we have. BTW my employer is one of the biggest in its field so parsimony is not a concern here, just common sense.
Good players can play anywhere and as part of their learning club they should be tried out in other positions.
One of the greatest strikers I ever saw was a wee, rotund and not very fast Bavarian who actually played against us in a North American tour at full back - Der Bomber.
Great Celtic managers, Wullie Maley, Jock Stein, and great Celts like Jimmy McGrory, Billy McNeill and Davie Hay have all played players in and out of position either through experimentation or necessity.
Jimmy Quinn and Jimmy McGrory both started as wingers before finding their true position as legendary goal scorers.
Malky McDonald, inside forward, winger or wing half, anywhere as long as he was in the starting eleven.
Neilly Mochan, centre in the Coronation Cup Final, left winger in the 7-1 gemme before ending his career at left back.
Willie Fernie played for Celtic in five different positions and may have been capped in all five, his versatility didnae do his career any harm.
Similarliy Bobby Evans who also played both inside forward and wing half roles before ending his career at centre half where he captained the national side even though he wisnae that tall.
Bobby’s young deputy came intae the team at both right back and right half; in fact I believe that Scottish international Dunky Mackay was initially moved forward to accommodate him.
Willie Wallace reverted to right half replacing the injured Bobby Murdoch in the semi final and replay against Clyde and was MOM in both, weeks later he would play at outside right against the reigning world champions and star in that role tae.
Bobby as we know originally broke through as an inside forward before the Big Mhan realised his true potential at right half.
Wee Bertie a potentially good but temperamental winger, remember he was replaced with Smiler for the 7-1 gemme, became a legendary midfielder along with Chopper, McKellar and Watt the link men, as they were called.
John Clark and journeyman wing half turned intae a great sweeper and lynch pin in the Lisbon Lion defence.
Tommy Gemmell originally signed as a centre half switched to left back when he recognised the tough competition for that role at the club. He was regularly moved to the right back position at international and club level to accommodate Eddie McCreadie and Willie O’Neill respectively, the latter for Jim Craig as he was often a poor starter to the season.
Likewise Davie Hay who would also fill in for Jim at right back would deputise for Tommy at left back as well as playing in the holding and attacking mid field role.
His good friend George Connelly, outside right in the 4-0 hun gemme, centre and goal scorer down at Elland Road in the EC semi, centre half in the ibrox disaster game and also sweeper and attacking midfielder. In fact in a very tough Scottish Cup semi replay against the City of Discovery with the score tied at 0-0 Big Jock switched Davie and George round and we ran out comfortable 3-0 winners in extra time with King Kenny also starring.
Talking about the King, he started out as the right half understudy for Chopper until Jock similar to what he did with Bobby found his true role.
Didn’t Tommy Burns make his break though at left back????
As I said Big Jock wisnae averse tae playing players out of position either in an effort to find their true role or else out of necessity, Pat McCluskey, Tommy Callaghan and Jim Brogan come to mind.
Even the Blessed MON did it with Sutty at centre half, actually I believe he started his career in this role, however IMHO he ruined Joos’s Celtic career and probably cost us trophies with his insistence in playing him on the left, so it disnae always work.
So before we pounce on wee Gordie for his shuffling of players mibbees we should give him the benefit of the doubt and understand that it may be through necessity or else what he says daily on the training ground.
Personally I’ve had five career changes and some of them were necessitated but as I look back I can see a pattern in them all that led me to where I am.
Finally just noticed on KTF that 41 year ago the prospective Lisbon Lions beat a Stirling Albion side containing ex-hun and Scotland captain eric caldow and managed by 7-1 loser and former darnel clugger sammy baird 7-3 at Parkheid, although leading 6-1 at the half the Celts held on bravely to contain the mighty Binos to just 3 goals. Imagine a Celtic side letting in 3 goals at hame, surely taxis were called for the manager, f*** me he isnae even a Tim.
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Excuse my ignorance but why do some people call Peter Martin by the name Peter MacGuire or even Peter 'MacGuire' Martin. He is the commentator guy isnt he?
Somebody put me out of my misery.
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corrib04
His full name is Peter Martin Maguire, shortened to Peter Martin to lend an air of 'neutrality'. Apparently.
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Tontine
Please excuse the patronising, sooky tone of what follows but you rank for me as the principal poster on this blog with an air of knowledge, perspective and authority. Lang may yer lum reek. As we say in G73, though not that often.
Thanks.
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yogissannies said…
...but we don't want to go down the bairds bar routine again do we?
Why not? We can only rely on ourselves, time to circle the wagons.
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yogissannies
Firstly great name.
I don't think it matters how close they are because unlike the saying we know what they are up to, we know how they are going to do it and we have no influence over them.
As for the Baird's bar experiment there is a small part of me that thinks "too right" however the pragmatist thinks that doesn't look too good to the outside world that exists beyond parochial Scotland!!!
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At 02/11/07 20:25, Bloke109 said…
Tontine
Please excuse the patronising, sooky tone of what follows but you rank for me as the principal poster on this blog with an air of knowledge, perspective and authority. Lang may yer lum reek. As we say in G73, though not that often.
*cheers Bloke I'll carry on until the memory goes which shouldnae be that long noo since I now get intae the pictures cheaper and my banking charges have now been elinated.
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Evening folks,
Listened to the press conference on bbc website. It's a 9 minute press conference and the first question about tomorrow's game arrives at.....
7mins 53 secs.
The discussion on tomorrow's game lasted for 40 secs and had 2 questions, then it's off again to other matters.
The conference was cut short when a journo (McNee?) attempted to ask a question about today's rumours.
What is the point of these press conferences?
There's no discussion of the upcoming game, no extra factual information is imparted to the journos. It's only worth is to create further opinion based headlines.
The press are loathsome, and I can't blame GS for his behaviour toward them.
He is polite and answers decent questions thoroughly, but is in an impossible situation with the pointless opinion based, agenda driven questions.
patnmick
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Thanks Bloke
I am now at peace.
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I think most managers dont like their media obligations.Some are better than others and use it to their advantage.Martin Oneill for example was very gifted,his humour could be sublime and some hacks were ripped to shreds and they didnt even know it.But he was well respected within the press core.
I think wee Gordon has more difficulty.He sometimes doesnt articulte his points very well and this leads to frustaration and "off the cuff"remarks being made which to others who he thinks has far less knowledge of the game than him.This leaves him open to his critics.
I dont particularly care how the Celtic Manager deals with the media as long as my team are doing well.The next two games are now vital 6 points are the only option IMO.Anything less and the pressure could really be on the wee man.
Start tommorow Gordon.Wake up with a smile on your face.You are the manager of one of the worlds most famous teams,you should be so honoured.Travel down to Ayrshires cauldren of bile your held held high.As the team bus arrives,think even shout it"we are the famous Glasgow Celtic"
Your players are better even more so because they wear the famous colours.Playing for or managing Celtic is stuff of dreams for us supporters.Come out that tunnel lungs full heads high.
This is your chance to throw some of the mud back.Get right intae them.
Hoops to win by at least 3.Get yer dough on it.
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sdstim
o.k. lets go for it i lapped it up when king kenny delibaretely wound them up.but a lot of fans didn't like it and didn't see what kenny was up to.
in the end the press clobbered celtic for it, and the
gubbing hugh keevans got at the supporters club still comes out in his perverted coverage of the club.
unless the club i.e. the board go all out and declare war (cue Jr) on the press we are on a hiding it would need celtic to stop taking the moral high ground in the bias we suffer here and go the front foot, take them on.
me, personally i'd be all for it
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Do you think there are any of the numpties in the press who are aware of the irony in the fact that when WGS complains of them misrepresenting him, they go straight out and misrepresent him? I thought not.
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Tontine Tim
You constantly restore my faith in the celtic supporters' view that I remeber and recognise.
On positions, there is a myth growing that Scott Brown is wasted at Right Midfield as was Stan Petrov when MON played him there. My memory tells me that Stan scored as many from that position as he did from the centre and that MON constantly pointed that out to journos and fans when they criticised this.
Yes, it's true that Scotty and Stan had a heavier involvement in the game when they were central but they did not lose their superpowers when asked to play 10 yards to the right of their normal slot.
I've seen Scott play right mid for Hibs against Celtic and destroy us. Doesn't mean I don't prefer him in the middle but he is capable of adapting anywhere middle to front. I'm glad we've got a few players who are adaptable. When did we reach the stage that people can only play in one specialist place (goalkeepers excepted)? George Best played both wings and through the middle. McCluskey and Aitken played central mid and central defence. Willie Miller signed for Aberdeen as a centre forward. McLeish as a midfielder. Henke was right mid for Feyenoord.
The world of football is littered with adaptable players but some of our fans think only specialists count.
Legal disclaimer: the above does not constitute an argument against the need for improvement in our defence.
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TontineTim
Are you ma da.
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The pressure on Gordon Strachan is being cranked up.
Rangers' media friends smell blood. Our manager may be on the edge. I predict a riot of abuse coming his way. And my crystal ball also sees him leaving soon and becoming the second manager in our history to have only been first in the league.
If he leaves, Rangers and their hordes will be euphoric. We, who should be Celtic's manager's supporters, will then be left reeling, with Tommy Burns as interim team manager.
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No need to back to London Road for the press conferences but treat them the way WS and DM does - if they go over the score then ta ta get your story second hand.......they need us far more than we need them.
I cannot understand why we as an institution of strength and power allow ourselves to be used as a media plaything without biting back. we let these guys do and say what they like and then invite them back to our house the next day.
There is a list of word and phrases like disaster, crisis, howler, storm clouds, battered, woeful, inept, (do i need to go on) filed under "Celtic" that are just kept in a drawer and pulled out when get a poor result/performance and battered into every sentence possible for as many days as possible then put away again til next time. In between our rivals might lets say...lose to Hibs, Dundee Utd........etc and be put down to "euro fatique" or " a bad day at the office"
Toughen up Celtic
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Watched the Rangers v. Celtic reserve match last night on celtic TV and in a defence which included Balde, Pressley , O'Dea and Cuthbert the former was by far our best defender. A compliant referree allowed many illegal challenges to go unpunished by the southsiders and as a consequence Pressley in particular took some heavy knocks. Bobo however more than matched their bully tactics, Gow and Naesmith getting no change out of him whatsoever.
There was nothing to suggest from the aforementioned game that Bobo doesn't deserve a run-out in the first team but then try telling that to the manager. WGS is after all the master tactician who seemed to think we could play without any muscle at Ibrox ,or ,could get a result in Lisbon by not bringing on a third sub ( particularly Naka) against Benfica despite admitting some players on the park were quite exhausted, and then providing another master-stroke by not having a defender on the subs' bench v. Hearts.
A strachanite but slowly becoming disillutioned.
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Tontine Tim
Excellent. Perspective. Wonder if Sno would be any good up front for eh, strictly headers going by the apparent 2 sitters he missed:)) Scored 2 in a 3-0 win for Nederland U21s last week I understand .so....why not. Could be the making of him, use that size properly?
re: the KTF article, they also said Caldow was applauded off by some Celtic fans; despite being humped by half time played a good, hard fair game 2nd half, winning it 2-1, never resorted to expected 'form'.
Take them out a hun shirt they become normal then?:)))
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patnmick
you're right about whats the point of a conference and wgs has nothing to learn about he press coverage here
but he needs the backing of the club i.e.the board if he is going to take them on
thebhoyblack
we are in total agreement why don't the club take them on a la "thugs and thieves" style
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Jeromek67
I have been to a few reserve games this year and to be honest big Bobo has been suberb.
Reserves right enough but I do think he is worth a look at in thre first team.
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patnmick
Agreed.
I think the reporter asking the rumour question, which GS responded to, was Michelle Evans of Real Radio.
Listen to the radio or read a paper online and they all think GS said the following:
'the press in this country are like serial killers in that every one of them murders people on a regular basis.'
Er, not exactly.
Time to ressurect the following.
I'M GORDON STRACHAN
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Estadio Nacional, that was me. I made the mistake of turning the radio in the kitchen on when I was making dinner (an experimental Japanes style beef btw. Timmy household verdict: score draw)
I'm afraid I aint no Terry O'Neill; the point I wanted to make didn't come across and I was cut off without getting a chance to redeem myself. Back to radio lurking for me.
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Herald Monday morning headline something like
"United take huge step" then skip to Thursday "Knock out" I mean please!!!
Yogissannies,
You've talked me into it "lets go"!!!
Lets not stop with the press though lets do the whole lot. Remember when we hired the psychologist whose findings suggested Dallas was biased and we got pilloried for employing him? Did anyone ever actually comment on his conclusions? Not a chance.
Right where did I leave my "How to build a barricade" book?
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This is great.
Grab the wife..the kids...and as much grub as you can carry (well maybe leave the wife) and circle the wagons.
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Great to see Big Billy talk so well about the great George Connelly on Celtic TV tonight. Billy was only saying what all of us who had the privilege of watching George knows: he had everything. Oh to have him at the centre of our defence these days.
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moisey
And don't forget the drink. We may need it.
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moisey17,
I've no got a wagon will ma motor do? If so does the wee ned who wants to watch it stand inside or outside the circle?
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moisey
I don't want to be fair to the press at all but those words and phrases, and worse, that you list are being used against WGS by our own fans too.
If you look at other celtic blogs you will see many distorting his words in the same way that the redtops do. One celtic site states that he compared the press to serial killers and that, since that is a stupid analogy, he must have lost it.
Of course, the weakness in their chain of thinking(?) was that he was not accusing Hugh Keevins of being Bible John, he was referring to Serial Killers' (and Blackmailers') habits of cutting and pasting words from different newspaper articles to deliver their message.
If our own fans are willing to do the press's dirty work for them, then WGS may well be going because we are a house divided. I can't understand it and I won't support it.
Some of our fans dislike the plc and Board because they're them and we're us.
Some dislike the manager because we were boring and defensive & now we're scary and leaking goals. No matter how WGS wins a league there'll be something wrong in the way he did it.
And some dislike the players and think all but 2 should depart.
And some dislike the plc, the players, the managers and the fans. You wonder what's left of Celtic for them to like?
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the bhoyblack
that psychologist thing was a major factor in the
eventual end of alan mcdonalds short tenure
press slaughtered him. mind you his choice of dream team had a lot to do with it as well (:-)
anyway the press slaughter all celtic cheifs, though peter lawell seems to keep them at bay
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TontineTim-
Excellent memories Sir !
Your mention of "Der Bomber" brought to mind one of my favourite European Cup Finals-
Bayern Munich 4 Atletico Madrid 0
Being just a pup at that horrendous display of cynical,connived,violent gamemanship that Atletico threw at us at Celtic Park in the semi-
revenge was so sweet-
even if it was administered by someone else.
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I should mention that was the replay of The European Cup Final.
In the 1st match Atletico were leading 1-0 with minutes to go when Bayern snatched an equaliser and the whole of fair minded Europe breathed a collective sigh of relief.
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MON had it even worse than GS at the end of his time here.
He outboxed them only until they came back with sledgehammers.
I remember a sanctimonious halfwit from the bbc following MON around with a tape recorder demanding that he condemn sectarianism from celtic fans. MON stated that he had previously done so on several occasions, but it wasn't not enough for the intrepid moron. Cue righteous indignation all because MON didn't play the game.
It's an impossible situation for us.
Though I think going back to Bairds is not the answer, amusing as it was.
We simply have to keep on keeping on, keep winning, ignore the hysterical outpourings of the press, and support our manager in incidents like this.
Though I reserve the right to criticise him for not having a defender on the bench on wed!
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All wee neds claiming to have "watch'd yer motr" can be used to plug any gaps btween the wagons (i've thought this all through)
SFTB
Agreed totally - some of this e you mention are our own worse enemies and don't seem to understand that they are fuelling a spark lite by the redtops.
Please feel free to reprimand all guilty parties
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Abbot
Maybe that's why the recently retired Grade I ref was belting out the Sash in your neck of the woods this time last week … anticipating that their clever tactic of making us turn on our own man was about to pay off.
JeromeK67
It's Celtic first: always. Don't write or say the names the other way round.
I've had discussions with people in England who have told me they thought your way was "just how it was, like Marks&Spencer". Listen out and you will hear it like this all the time.
There is a job to do to correct this disgrace, and you're part of the team that needs to do that job.
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setting free.............
they ambushed him, he walked right into it with an unfortunate analogy and the rest is history.
not a heinous crime, and not as bad as his taste in defenders.
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Just listened to the press conference. If anything settles the GS question it is this. Why are the media out to get him? Is it because they think he is damaging Celtic? Or is it coz they see him as a threat? Can you imagine them asking Smith Qs like that? C'mon. Support our man! c'mon the Hoops!
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Noel
Thanks for the Bayern clip. Fond memories of that game. Athletico are The Unforgiven. Hope Aberdeen do them too.
Wee Gerd Muller, what a player. Get Scott McDonald on the Hartson diet and he could be our own "bomber".
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Thanks Noel, quite an open match. That Beckenbauer lad was a bit one footed.:-)
Of course that was the replay, the nasty Matresses had been pipped in the last minute in the first game.
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Maybe a naive question, but why do we bother having the Friday afternoon ritual press conferences at all?
Bin them - and replace with Celtic feeding stories through PR or selected press interviews.
This Friday stuff is like the Punch and Judy show - and it's us who are getting punched.
On a releated topic, don't know if anyone else noted that when Celtic got their G14 invite, the BBC managed to bury the headline halfway down the SPL web page.
However, once our hun friends had clarified that they were getting an 'ugly pal' tag along invite - the headline of the self same article was rewritten to 'Old Firm Attend G14 Summit' and promoted to prime position!!!
This isn't paranoia, they don't like us.
Regardless of what we think of team selections, Gordon Strachan is one of us - let's support him in public.
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Noel
You are in great form tonight.
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hamptontim
Bin them - and replace with Celtic feeding stories through PR or selected press interviews
Sponsors obligations mate.Believe it or not that screen at he back means a lot
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Paul
Da Press Guys dey Pulled da Whistle...
His Debil Team Selections Rang da Bell!
Da Celtic Fans dey Gave da Signal...
An' Gordon' Reputation, wenta H...?
Da above Scenario is mair dan Hauf Wey through...
If Celtic lose da League dis Yeah...
DEN WEE GORDON'S ON DA BROO!
We hiv aye bin Gordo Backers...
Oor faith in him, we did not Lack
But wance da Fans turn agin him,
As a Manager.... he faces da Sack!
Gordo, ye kin win back da Fans, if ye dae wit' ah Say...
Stoap Over Engineerin' yer selections..!
If a man has a guid Gemmme???....let him Play!
Yer no makin' yer joab tae be easy,
Yer oot-thinkin yersel'...as dey say!
Gie a chance for da players to settle ... fur then ye'll hiv consistency in der play!
If yer team should win in a Canter,
But, NEXT GEMME, yer way aff da beam!
Fur when ye switch wan player, fur anither...
Yer CHINGIN' a Fine, WINNIN' TEAM!
collie.
Tail's Awaggin', Awaggin'
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hamptontim
fair do's
i do support him in public, implicitly so if i'm over critical its only in certain company, when the hounds are gathering and he is presently 'top of the world ma' what chance has he got?
i critique him for his qualities as coach, and manager of the players he chooses and buys
that is all.
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Im not happy with ghord's refusal to fix our ''full-back'' problem.
''really not happy'' but you can criticise almost any manager (benitez is getting it big style from lpool fans and he's won them the Big Cup)
I think the way the press are turning on him is sinister.
They would never treat wattie that way. NEVER.
The last 2 teams that rankers have played have ridiculed their style of play. But the press turn on the opposition players rather than the architect of anti-football.
strachs won the last 2 leagues, we are top of the league, we beat man u and ac milan.
the press are turning on him because they can turn on us.
their coverage of Boruc and G14 is a joke. an absolute joke.
Personally, I wont criticise Strach again this year. In my opinion he is getting enough of that from the people that just dont like us.
I think its time to show the wee man some support.
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yogissannies
It's only an unfortunate analogy if you misunderstand it. I understand it and have no agenda to transform it.
What is unfortunate is the desire to twist meaning not that your meaning can be twisted.
There's always an ambush. Our job as supporters is to give hauners to the club, not to pile in on WGS behind our enemies.
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20:58, setting free the bears
I don't think that I have read a more concise and accurate summary of the mindset of those Celtic supporters who supply the media with the bullets to fire at Gordon and the club.
These are the people that my late father referred to as "anti-Celtic, Celtic supporters. In those days, their guff was confined to the pub or the bus,i.e. only audible to those unfortunate to within earshot.
Since the advent of the Internet, they have their own media outlet with which to undermine the club.
I think it was Terry O who condemned people for criticising the manager on phone-ins, then suggested that blogs like this was the place to do it(?) Nobody reads this site, do they?
There is not one Celtic supporter who does not recognise the weaknesses in the team. Equally, there is not one Celtic supporter who knows what goes on in the background of the club.
Consequently, there is not one Celtic supporter who is qualified to offer criticism of selection or any other aspect of team matters.
We all have opinions, but unless you can be positive, keep them to yourself.
Otherwise, you are working for our enemies.
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Listened to snide for the first time in a while tonight, i agree the media are stepping up the pressure on our manager.. The sad thing is , some of our own fans are helping them. One bloke calls in to say 90% of fans want him out, they are loving it.
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My dear friend, Tom the Tim...
You were batting a thousand, until your last piece of advice.
Your Advice?
quote:
"We all have opinions,but unless you can be positive, keep them to yourself."
unquote.
I will say no more.
Kojo.
Yer pal...who likes ye, but could not resist.
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richard81
The sad thing is Gordon is biting. The next two matches are vital for him.
It could all have been avoided had we signed another one or two full backs in the summer. But the way injuries have gone this season we would have needed a back up of 10!
Still if we keep on winning in the league there will be no problem.
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Tom the Tim and Richard81
Thank you for articulating exactly why the people posting here have a responsibility.
Some of them argue strenuously that they're speaking up for the greater good of the club and they cite the pre-Fergus protests as proof that they have an important role to play in the future of the club.
By a huge margin, they are making a far greater contribution to the people who wish Celtic nothing but ill.
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Hi Paul,
Signed is as plain "benny" after the match last Saturday. Noticed another blogger has same sign in. Have re-registered to avoid any misunderstandings.
Hail Hail
B
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Kojo
As people have said several times this evening, clear, constructive criticism will never be a problem.
But the venom with which some people are lacing their criticism of the club, the board, the manager and the players is playing into the hands of the club's most bitter enemies.
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The dug has got it right.
We have the best midfield in the SPL by some distance.
Keep the engine room right and we will win 4 out of every 5.
Sacrifice the engine room to bolster the defence and we are asking for trouble.
I never make predictions, but I think we will win tomorrow.
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Does anyone like me ever get enjoyment out of this media clamber for anything anti Celtic.
"Nabody likes us we dont care";in fact we thrive.In 1888 a seed was planted.It has grown to be this enormous flowering oak in the garden of Protestantism.There is nothing they can to to control this beast that keeps on outperforming all around it.We continue to cast a shadow over all that tries to thrive around us.
What the hell do we care.For we only know that there is going to be a show and Celtic Football Club and its followers will be there.
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kevtic
You say that the next two games are vital, but then you add that if Celtic win the league "there will be no problem".
Celtic can lose the next two games 35-0 and still win the league.
We're either in it for the long haul and the main prize, or we're in it for the bits of cherry blossom along the way.
It'd be nice to have both, but some are in danger if scorning the big prize for the lack of blossom.
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setting free the bears
we are not in disagreement.
analogies are open to misinterpretation, and you and i may understand it, but we both know how gordon strachan will be delibarately misrepresented, today tomorrow and next week, don't we?
i will support the guy to the hilt publicly, I am a fully paid up card carrying member, but my reservations are my own alone, and i think his choice of player,or lack of, will be his ultimate downfall and not themalevolence of the media.
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CF
If the hoops lose 70 goals in the next 2 games the wee man must consider his position.
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Kevtic, my point with the radio thing was after 2 leagues 2 cups last 16, Milan, Man-U top of league etc...should our own fans be calling in to slaughter the man? The media are doing a grand job without our help.
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Nelsbhoy
We could always blame it on Bobo being "frozen out".
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Celtic First...
Your post has a familiar ring...
Does this ring a bell...it was said, many years ago, but still get's ya thinkin'
"Don't confuse me with facts!"
Facts?
Me?
I am all for them!
Kojo.
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SFTB,
Great post earlier.
In my view, Gordon Strachan is a very good manager. We were lucky to get him after Martin O'Neil left. I'm sure we all agree that MON was our best manager since Big Jock.
Why do so many 'fans' get off on criticising wgs. I don't get it. I think that People who contribute to the campaign to undermine WGS should stop and think about where we are right now.
Whilst I am in rant mode, I dont like the moneshafter / happy clapper description on CQN to describe the polarised views of celtic supporters. To me a 'Supporter' supports his club through thick and thin. 'Fans' on the other hand tend to be more fickle and demand the right to, and do, criticise. Fair play to them, they have an opinion.
However, for me, supporters should make a positive contribution by supporting the manager and team. That is our purpose after all.. Support.
Aledgedly.
Lubo.
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Kojo,
We are at war. Make no mistake about that.
Since Murray was forced to pick up the reins again, the attacks have been increasing. there are clear signs of an organised campaign against the club.
It would not matter who our manager is, he would still be targeted.
We all know where the problems are, therefore we are just exercising our collective egos by demonstrating that we know a bit about this game.
Usually all harmless stuff, by and large. However , a lot of the bile and anger generated on this site and others, provide the media with certifiable proof that the manager is not accepted by a large number of our support.
This gives them carte blanche to put the boot in with impunity. Witness how many have condemned Gordon for today's swipe at the hacks.
We should not be publicly criticising Celtic until our enemies are vanquished and out of the game.
This is War.
I'm sure, like me you've heard that "Loose talk costs lives"
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, mcgrory-for-arsenal
'Personally, I wont criticise Strach again this year. In my opinion he is getting enough of that from the people that just dont like us.'
Me too. Feel guilty as hell I have.....intend to keep my emotions in check publicly in the dodgy times, love the wee man really, big style.
He'll do us proud again, just like the last 2 years when we have sometimes doubted him, despite....:))
Not lost a title yet.
I AM STRACHAN
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Gordon Strachan under pressure? Not from the powers that be at Celtic Park,as far as I am aware.He is ,however,under pressure from the Scottish media......and their friends
on C.Q.N. A GORDON FOR ME.
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sdstim
I am Quique Sánchez Flores .Only joking.
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Everything that hurts Celtic's players performance levels is an assist to Rangers. Our young team needs total support. The best we can give. Send them out to win, not to hide, not to fear defeat.
I know who I don't want in the team, but when he has the hooped jersey on, he's my best friend in the world and I'm his.
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Kojo
There are facts for all facets.
The trophies line up against the lack of full-backs. The amazing performances (plural) against Milan pale, for some, against defeats (yes, plural) to Rangers.
It's not just about facts, old thing, but about how we interpret them.
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At 02/11/07 22:54, nelsbhoy said…
sdstim
I am Quique Sánchez Flores .Only joking.
Aah Kinky Quique. Didn't you have a wee show in Amsterdam last year? Did you ever recover that snake without hospital treatment? :o))
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While Gordon Strachan is the manager of my team, he is my hero. When he goes I'll look back on good times and bad. But, for now, the only thing he gets from this bhoy is support. He would get that anyway, but two titles has earned him plenty of slack and tonnes of goodwill.
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sdstim
Yes ive been found out.Its still inside me.Celtic 4 Killie bile 0
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Off topic I know...
anyone give me the jist (spanish) Celtic-Atletico
http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=E3hIt05YKTM
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Celtic first
We are not used to being inconsistant. 5 defeats in 10 matches is as poor a statistic as we have had for a good number of years thanks to Martin and Gordon.
You are right to focus on the bigger picture. 2 titles out of 2 and progress in the CL is more than enough for me. Which is why it is a bit early for Gordon to be on the defensive with the rangers and celtic media alike. Even after his great achievements I don't know if Gordon will be afforded a bad season. Do you think he would?
As a Celtic manager for over 2 years he knows criticism is over the top when we lose. However I can understand why fans are frustrated when certain players are not playing dispite a number of setbacks. Gordon was quick to discard ailing players - Thompson and Balde. It would appear some fans would be just as quick to discard Gordon so like it or not tomorrow is massive.
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My dear friend,Lubo...22.45
You are wrong.(Is that a fact,or merely, your opinion?.....ed)( Whadya YOU, think?)
You cannot legislate against human foibles.
If there are fans or supporters or afficionados....of Celtic, who see things in a different way than your good-self...
then, that is the human condition at work.
The fact that there are other Celtic followers whose opinion of the Celtic Manager, differs from your own... gives you no right whatever, to chastise or castigate their(as viewed by you...) effrontary, to express their own opinions of the matter under discussion.
We all are entitled to submit our thoughts as we see fit.
That is what this Blog or any Blog, for that matter, is all about.
To be succinct...
On Opinions:
Exterminate Differences of Opinion?
Exterminate the Blog!
Makes sense to me.
Kojo.
Yer pal.....who likes ye.
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Kojo...
With regards to your post to Tom the Tim.......@22:21
You missed out his last line
"Otherwise you are working for our enemies"
Which it could be argued provided..
Context Context Context...
The Media has their own Agenda.
Rangers have their own Agenda.
Celticfc have theirs.
Divide&RuleTheOldestTrickintheBookSC
Tom the Tim...
KTF...Sir...You have Already Secured the Truth.
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Meant to add The GAFFER has his Agenda...
And that is the one I will Follow...
All the Way to the end....
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My dear friend, Tom the Tim...
This time you are batting the elusive ...One Thousand!
Bully!
I concur, with every single thing that you say.
However.....
My objection, of which I have been trying to make my readers...understand...with little success, may I add or not add( How about..."substract"...that's the way I get it....ed)( Nae wonder naebody knows what the heck I am saying...ye probably hiv goat sumthin'......)
To return...
I am attempting to get this point across.
No one, but No one, has the right to downright....
Tell Anyone, I say Anyone....
How to couch their own personal opinion... to suit anyone or anybody else's personal opinion!
That, in a nutshell, is what I am endeavouring to say!
Kojo.
yer pal..... who thinks you are swell.
And may I add....needlessly...
I am a Faithfull thro' and thro',
Mr. STRACHAN BACKER!
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Celtic get tough over contracts
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...and MON denies Ridsdale claims re Leeds job...
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My dear friend,Kevtic..@23.23
You are correct, Your FACTS speak for themselves....
And may I add or not add( Ur we gonna go thro' awe that again?)(No!)
Those Facts can be INTERPRETED only ONE WAY... I am sorry or not sorry, as the case may be.
THEY STINK!
As I have said...in a round about way,of course( Whit else is noo?...ed)( How aboot Noo .....Y... etc., etc?.....awe,.......fuggetabootit!)
"Every body has the Right to be Wrong!"
Who said that...???
A young Aviator, by the name of
Mr. Corrigan......!
Kojo.
Yer Pal... who thinks ye ur swell.
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Dick Byrne-
The two best links of the week.
Cheers.
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dick byrne
INTERESTING....
The SSM should have listened to Tom the Tim about Loose Talk..
I was smugly proud of the Loud Silences coming out of Paradise when they contolled the media agenda...And Ran A Tight Ship.
Seems to me there is a War of Words picking up steam..Heading in to troubled waters...
Which, one can deduce, means a loosening of the grip on the reins of the media Agenda...
Unless of course a Gallop is the order of the day?
Could easily have been said in private.....Rather than to Wee Speirsy....
As I said Celtic PC has its own Agenda...Which uses ALL forms of media....
Spearsy has his uses It seems...
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CF, PJbhoy, Kojo,
Thank you for your endorsement of my posts. It is gratifying to see the true Celtic ethos emerging tonight in the wake of another round in the Siege of Celtic.
Kojo,
I would never intentionally deny anyone the right to their opinion, even if I could.
However, like yourself, I find it difficult to articulate clearly what I mean, as in the case of non constructive repetitive whinging about full backs ,centre halfs and all the other stuff that has been done to death.
Let's not provide their bullets.
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Lubo
I hear what you are saying and i think that the vast majority orf people who follow Celtic are both fans and supporters. I think the words are interchangeable to be honest...
What I don't doubt is that whether you are a supporter or a fan, everyone has their own views and opinions. It's all down to human nature and what type of person you are. Some are blind followers, some voice their opinions in private, others in public.
I love this site and find it intriguing that each poster has their own mindset and the majority of their posts will be of a certain tone and sentiment no matter what the topic.
It's all about opinions e.g. some people are for Strachan and some against him.
Just like in any walk of life some people are more vociferous and blunt in expressing their opinions that others. The world would be a very boring place if we were all the same.
I think of myself as a "constructive criticiser". I love all things Celtic and especially love a successful Celtic. There is nothing wrong with suggesting ideas where the team or Club could be improved whether on the park or off it.
Whlst I don't always agree with the people who come on lambasting the team, Strachan, Lawell, Quinn or Reid, it is their perogative to do so....and doesn't that make this blog what it is
Maleysbhoy
Celtic Fan
Celtic Supporter
Celtic Lover
Celtic Criticiser
But most of all Celtic through and through...
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Tom The Tim...
I read with interest your post about that Stirling Albion game at Celtic Park.
It was a midweek game and as you say we won 7-3, having led 6-1 at half time.
However, we finished our scoring just after half time and then went on to lose 2 further goals.
I was in the stand enclosure that night at time up some of the fans jeered the team off the park!
After the game, Celtic were top of the League having played 8, won 8 scored 33 and lost just 6 goals.
In fact we had won 22 consecutive games in all competitions.
Oh and for good measure, the previous Saturday we had just beaten Rangers 1-0 in the League Cup Final.
Yet again some fans weren't happy!
The following letter appeared in the Celtic View -
"I saw the "victory" over Rangers in the League Cup Final as a Pyrhic victory. If ever there was one.
I confess to being one of those supporters who feel pride in victory if it has been truly and worthily won.
I have honestly felt more satisfaction in former defeats.
Rangers played hard, and that was to be expected. That they should have dominated so much of the exchanges was due not to their virtues but to Celtic's shortcomings.
What happened to the so-called attacking football - the stuff which fills the ground?
More football of the kind we saw from Celtic last Saturday will empty Parkhead of all but the fanatic so-called minority to whom victory - no matter how gained - is paramount.
The tactical blunders of the "planners" were all too painfully evident.
Rangers defence was there to be riddled by five competent forwards. What did we see?
No wingers.
They didn't even seem to fall back in strategic defence.
It is not without significance that the retiral of John Hughes brought out one of the Celtic follower's biggest cheers.
But Steve Chalmers was put to the left wing - where he turned out to be as ineffectual as Hughes.
No blame to him.
One would have thought that a rearranged line reading Johnstone, McBride, Chalmers, Auld and Lennox might have riddled a Rangers defence which lacked conviction.
But no, it was Celtic who lacked forward conviction and in the second half played with one striker and no support.
When did Celtic last win a Cup with the supporters whistling for time? No matter who within the club takes satisfaction from the win I feel sure that I speak for many of the non-fanatical majority when I say that I have never been so depressed by a victory - or rather the manner of it!"
The football fan is indeed a fickle character and it seems nothing much has changed over the decades.
Just as well that guy Stein managed to win a few more trophies that season.
Saved his job I reckon.
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Gordon....
I thought dick Byrnes was an intereting post...
You just trumped him with a Classic...
In my 'Umble opinion.....
Wise Words Harvested From Experience
G'Night for Now
Guinness Calls....
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For me, today's press conference proved beyond doubt that GWS is a very good manager. Why else would they be out to get him? And can any of you imaging "watty" being given that kind of treatment. So it's time to get behind our Gordon.
Meanwhile, it did strike me that WGS could handle the media better. I like some of his quips, but in this press conference he seemed way out of his depth. Seems to me (a) the club should be able to negotiate ground rules better than it does --- I can see John Reid chairing a press conference to some effect. (b) Gordon needs media training and advisers. It may be a pain. But this is the modern world and its a key part of a manager's job.
The old media - as has been observed many times on this site - is no longer a source of news.
It is no longer a source of serious comment or analysis.
All it can hope to do is to create (that is make up) news stories and score "victories" like getting managers sacked, espcially managers of jumped up teams like Celtic that dare to challenge Rangers...
C'mon the Hoops.
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SUPPORT CELTIC
SACK DUFFIELD
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pjbhoy,
No comparison. I just posted a couple of links - Gordon (and Tontine Tim for that matter) have been a real source of inspiration lately.
Gordon - I don't recall that particular game, but I'm old enough to remember Stirling Albion being a bit of a bogey team for us.
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Ma 3-0 prediction for this afternoon still stands.
KILLEN KILLS KILLIE
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Daniella - Shack
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Jean's Not Happening - Pale Fountains
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Lanarkcelt ,
No matter how good you are handling the media , you cannot beat a hostile crowd.
Gordon faces this every time.
Today has shocked me , I've been out of the loop and now I've been catching up. I can't believe the rumors freely circulating , and not by the press , by our own supporters.
Some supporters seem to be enjoying the undermining of our team and manager. How can you fathom this?
Its hard for me to accept.
I don't know why some choose to ignore the facts. Last year , the year before that and now this year we're top of the league , added to 2 domestic cups and progress in europe.
Best defense in the league when we're clearly obviously patched up in defense?
Scored the most goals?
All this while we're going through our "bad patch"?
Any wonder the manager feels pressure. Sure we have a few personnel problems , form is patchy but we can sort these problems out.
With no bother.
As for some of our own fans , they're vitriol has sickened me.
If Gordon did leave , how the hell could we attract a top manager to CP after what Gordon had to put up with. Restricted budget , 4 trophies , progress in europe and still its nowhere near good enough for some.
Have any of the detractors stopped to wonder why the press want to unsettle our manager? If he's a bad manager like some fans think why would they want him out?
I think you'll find that they know Gordon's a top manager and they will seek to keep him under pressure.
The wee man needs our backing.
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Just in from work and had to put on my support for our Manager.
I would love to know who the guy was who phoned in Clyde tonight claiming that '90% of the Celtic fans want Gordon Strachan out'! As a lot of guys have mentioned, he is under attack from plenty of others without his own looking to kick him in the teeth.
I wonder if anyone else was watching Sky Sports News the afternoon after we lost 5-0 in Bratislava? They were obviously out looking to get a dig in and had cameras outside the ticket office when they got what they were after. A guy comes on to speak to David Tanner, proudly waving a wad of notes. This guy had went and got a refund on his and his sons season ticket and claimed he wouldn't return until Strachan had gone! With support like that who needs the gutter press to stick the boot in? I wonder just how he has felt since then!
I thought Radio Clyde handled the press conference story well tonight, knowing exactly what Strachan was meaning. I turn it over to Real Radio for the last half hour. If brains were dynamite then the three stooges who were on there tonight (Rough, Cameron and Devlin) couldn't blow their nose. The prat Devlin actually referred to Rangers as 'we' when talking about how McLaish handled press coferences back when he was under pressure.
Make no mistake they are worried. They know Rangers have staked everything on winning the league this year. They can see it's not working, we are 3 points clear and despite Ibrox we look comfortable (imo). They are no gunning for Strachan and looking to create instability in the hope it derails us. We should all stand squarely behind our manager and give him the full support he needs. Even if you do not like him, he is one of our own and we must defend him.
We Shall not Be Moved!
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Gordon,
I'm afraid that you have confused me with Tontine Tim.
Although I am a contemporary, I envy him his powers of recall.
I do recall people criticising Jock over his non use of a substitute if the game was not going to plan.
The big man appeared to consider a change in formation as an admission of failure on his part and usually only subbed either because of injury or if the game was one, to save a player.
A stubborn big so and so, he was often called.
It's good to see the sons and grandsons of these guys are alive and well today.
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PJB & DB...
Thank you.
DB..
You are right, Stirling Albion were indeed a bogey team for us at Annfield at any rate.
Two seasons on the trot we went there and din't manage a win.
In the "Lisbon" season, we drew 1-1.
In the last minutes of that game Billy scored a "goal" with one of his trademark headers from a corner.
There is a great photograph of him flying through the air (e.g. Dunfermline Cup Final 1965) heading the ball into the net with no Stirling player within 2 yards of him.
For some mysterious reason Mr I.M. D. Foote (Giffnock) disallowed the goal.
It remains a mystery to this day!
Good luck to the Celts at Rugby Park.
Goodnight all.
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I have a couple of points to make this evening.
1) Derbyshirebhoy - just because you PERCEIVE some of us to be minshafters does not mean we want to see the back of WGS.
I have said before.
I AM STRACHAN.
2) The press are hilariously fickle in nature - they take the huff so easily and yet their targets are not allowed to.
To hell with em...and well said WGS
3) To balance these comments
Please note the article in the Times regarding MON. I knew what was said was nonsense. And so it proves. But and even more relevant insight is the fact that Celtic hadnot bothered to try and secure MON's services.
This is the same Board we have now - and dont forget BQ's mobile comments.
Now as I am fond of saying
IF IT DOESNT MAKE SENSE IT DOESNT MAKE SENSE
MON has told us the position - it reflects badly on the Board and tells us of MON's loyalty.
We are seeing the same pattern.
The Board's agenda is buit around one man - and his ambition does not square with the supports.
So we are between the devil and the deep blue sea. The country which hates us and the Board who treats us with disdain.
It was ever thus - but what I find sad is those who would defend such an indefensible position.
Shame on many of you
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Tom the Tim & Tontine Tim...
My apologies.
Goodnight to you both.
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enrico
well said mate
and, as we are all pretty much aware, there is room for improvement. to me that makes it all the more satisfying (for some of us anyway)
can tinytim etc please tell me who they would rather see in charge given our current budget.
for all strachans bad points he has still got us currently top of the league (going for 3 in a row) whilst in the champions league
tics
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.At 02/11/07 19:02, TerryO'Neill said…
By all means critise but do it amongst fellow tims in the pub or on here, not on air.
Air is for defending Celtic.
Absolutely splendid - our enemies are strong enough (not on the pitch, but in this country as a whole), why do we insist on helping them?
At 02/11/07 20:11, thebhoyblack said…Absolutely and let's not forget MON and WGS both have loads of media experience but they both are potrayed as being these snippy characters who have a problem being interviewed it is a joke and I think they are absolutely right to fight back.
a VERY pertinent comment. Celtic's current manager, and the previous incumbent, are not novices - they have lots of experience. They are treated with huge respect in England, why not here?...
Celtic_First said...
CF: amazing posts - you have played a blinder.
STAND UP FOR CELTIC, AND GORDON STRACHAN!
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I used to feel sorry for myself and others who don't live in Scotland and don't have access to the Scottish media day in and day out.
I felt like we were missing out on all things Celtic.
I decided to listen to Clyde's phone-in tonight for the first time ever, to see if Terry O'Neill would get on so I could hear first hand the argy-bargy that I have only seen described on here.
I turned off my laptop after 2 callers.
One from a blue nose ( I always like to guess whether they are Celtic or Rangers fans before they have finished asking their question "ehhhh, hullorrerr panel 'n at" is a rangers fan 9 times out of 10).
OK - they guy comes on and makes his point and the panel agree.
Then the Celtic fan comes on and announces that "90% of Celtic fans don't want Gordon Strachan to be manager".
WHY?
Why are our fans doing their work for them?
No rangers fan would come on and say the same of Walter.
I don't understand it.
I do not envy you guys in Scotland who have to put up with this tosh (c. G McNee) day in and day out from the papers to the radio and TV.
I get all my news from CQN. I watch all the games on CH67.
I thought I was missing out on the other media's point of view.
Now I know better.
hail hail.
TLB
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And another thing....clocks go back tomorrow night in the US.
Dinnae forget.
night night.
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Get ready for the fanfare! You are about to witness the last post I ever write on this blog. To be fair I have only written about 3 or 4 so it is no great loss, however I feel certain things have got to be said. A large section of the celtic support now behave like the rangers fans in the 90s. Utter, utter scum. I thought we were better than that but how wrong I was. It appears that Gordon's tenure will come to an end fairly soon, not because he's failed as our manager but because a large section of the support are weak minded fools. They hate him because the press tell them to hate him - these people would eat their own fecal matter if a celebrity told them to, and they do. Already we've had people saying that the first 2 leagues Gordon won didn't count becasue there wasn't competition - just wait until
he wins the league this year and suddenly it won't matter either. The abuse of Aiden (now grudgingly accepted until he has a bad game) is further proof of the idiocy of the Celtic support. You have been sucked in and eaten up by the media in this country and should keep your thoughts to the Daily Record's phone in section as that is the level they are at. And the abuse that Evander Sno has taken from the greatest fans in the world stinks of incipient racism. As we all know from the post about Celtic's defensive record, non- celtic fans in the media look at and presumably contribute to this blog - and must be delighted at how easy it is to turn so called Celtic fans against their manager. Predictions that I am willing to stake my life on - we will win the league this year but Gordon will leave after he is booed as we are awarded the flag. Good night and good luck.
ps if you're looking for me I'm easy to spot, the Celtic fan supporting our team.
pps Go and see Botched when it is released in February, it was written by genuine celtic fans
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My dear Ritchie and Lassie,and I don`t mean Collie; I,with respect,feel that you both need to acquire a rather large dose of scepticism. I claim to be a Celtic supporter,therefore I am. DON`T THINK SO.
Example......Tics@2.06.Seemingly positive and supportive,and then "for all Strachan`s bad points". Oh Yeah! Specify,Tics,or forever hold thy peace. Hope I`m wrong,but it would be good to know.
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Ritchie
People dont like Strachan because he is inept...
They dont like Sno because he is SLOW and because strachan puts him on as sub..
Racism...get a grip!!
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i like many others are disgusted at some on here.
to argue footballing concerns and voicing opinions are one thing...
actively aiding our enemies is quite another.
we are the targets of the most strategic campaign by the establishment.
us. we. Celtic.
any calls for our managers head until the final ball of the competitive season is kicked i will treat with utter contempt of Celtic.
passions are running high.
support.
or duck off
tbdT
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i am strachan
just to pitch inmy support for the gaffer.
the numptie on clyde who said 90% of the support dont want him, yeah right. it says it all if this eejit listens and phones into that shower of murray apologists.
sure, i dont like some of the wee mans signings or tactical decisions but i was the same with oneill, jansen, mcneill, hay, venglos, etc, etc. something i do like is is stance against the press pack.
I AM STRACHAN
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Ritchie donavan bhoydave tokyo
good to see when you can't debate and defend your view you take the moral low ground and resort to abuse. Ritchie i would urge you not to leave the blog we are a broad church and every view is valid.
but debate is a debate and personal abuse is not the answer.
Also frankly flabbergasted at those who say that celtic fans don't like strachan or want him because he is not celtic minded.
That is nonsense a large section of the celtic support (I admit not yet a majority) but a very significant amount of those who actually go to the games (not the social celtic set) think strachan is not the manager to take us forward because of his failings not his background.
The issues have been debated but the fact remains either strachan or the board are misguided and one of them is leading our team in the wrong direction.
Now enough personal abuse and support the team.
This is a blog which means debate not a love in so get over it.
This is one minshafter off to Kilmarnock and expecting a win.
Supporting celtic and constructive debate not counter productive namecalling.
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RitchieDonovan
The best, sanest most honest post tonight and a post that makes me relieved that its not just me that thinks it but at the same time really sad as there is now a large part of the support like it.
At least on CQN its generally constructive, on CelticMinded there is a large amount of celtic fans who hate and i mean hate strachan, really hate him as a person, and who willl be happy if our season implodes just so they can get him out and replaced by someone a bit more celticinded.
for years the press has been trying to shoot us and we are loading their gun now....
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Pro: my Auntie Winnie, who is high in Heaven. God rest her soul.
Pro: Paul's Dad, a mighty Celtic supporter.
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john
bit unfair on celtic minded there is also a lot of good debate there as with monthhoops and kerrydale street. i exclude the bbc from that obviously.
The support is polarised like no other and it's nothing to do with him not being a tim it's because concerns remain about his tactical and coaching ability and transfer dealings.
I have never heard one celtic fan say to my face they don't like him because he is not celtic minded sorry but this is revisionist preparation for his departure either now or in the summer.
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Ritchiedonavon's post is all too true. There is a section of the Celtic"support" all too easily swayed by the Daily Record's pf this world. They are the same people, I imagine, who booed Fergus McCann and Brian Quinn.
I imagine they haven't really experienced hard times following the Celtic.
We should all be aware that in general the Scottish sports media hate us. Too many of them, like Keevins and McNee, have given up their birth right for the shekel. Poor sods.
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Crackin thread on Celticminded
Strachan is a disgrace
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C'mon the Celts. They all hate us - whats new? Lets beat the Killie and we can "dance the night away". Not even the Greats can be great all the time.
Hail Hail.
DBBIA
Should be down early lunchtime.
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Martin42
From the last Thread.
Bobo has stated personally that he did not go to Sunderland because he was offered a loan deal and a not a permanent move.
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gweedorebhoy @ 07:53
show me where i resorted to "personal abuse"
and when you cant - apologize
i did, however suggest that those who are giving ammunition to those who wish to attack us are in contempt of Celtic, and can get lost with force...
did this offend your sensibilities?
tbdT
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I'm heading to Kilmarnock soon to give some support to the man who will join Willie Maley and Jock Stein ,being the only managers to have taken Celtic to 3-In-A-Row.
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Kevtic-hope to meet up with you later.Should be a grand day out.
Anyone who hasn't heard it should listen to the Press conference;I am not the biggest fan of the Ginger Helmsman and his Big Book of Cunning Plans but his handling of wee Joe Macgoebbels yesterday was pretty impressive.
This is a big month[again] .A win against the Ayrshire Agriculturals and 6 points in the ECL will do nicely. And the long break should help some key players recharge their batteries for the winter.
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I too agree with much of what Richie says. Where I sit there are three or four real loudmouths who start up at the first discouraging sign. What this is for I don't know. Certainly it's not going to encourage the players, and in the case of individuals who are being barracked, it is likely to destroy any confidence they have. Think of a 20 year old boy, far from home and undoubtedly doing his best, being blamed for single-handedly losing us the match. What tripe.
Is there "incipient racism" here? In some cases there almost certainly is although I'm glad to say that overt racism is shouted down in the area where I sit, and that's not had to happen too often.
On another matter, are we now accepting Jock Brown's definition of "Celtic minded"? The papers fell gleefully on his jaundiced interpretation. Don't tell me it has achieved credence among those who should know better. It's a bit like the increasingly accepted myth that "Hun" means Protestant.
Any way that's enough ranting from me.
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parkhead cum salford -
yup
Malachy
Martin de Porres
Winefride
heading for the rugrats shortly.
3-0 here we come and table-topping for at least another few weeks.
Let's get right behind Gordon and The Bhoys
WG, neither shafter or clapper.
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Good luck to the Gunners against the Govan Gub's Gang.
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Con - Peter
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Pro - 42
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Good luck to the 2 time European Champions against The Bottlers from The Emirates.
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Top of the pile, best defence, best strikeforce & WGS still gets it in the neck. Does my head in.
3 points today and the baying mob postponed for another few days - please.
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Con - Jol
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Con - Peters
Con - Chivers
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Mon the Hoops against the Ayrshire huns
Killie 0 - 4 The Champions
[McDonald(1), Killen(3)]
Sunday Headlice - "The Killen Fields"
Cyrul
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Con-Hayes
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Pro :- Norrie
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FAF
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Con - Edwards
Con - Buchan
Chariot beckons
COME ON THE HOOPS
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Con-Lee
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Damonii
From last night.
Nothing much on that clip really. The commentator says: "It's something of a paradox that one of the most memorable games in Atlético Madrid's 100-year history should have been a 0-0 draw.
"In the EC semi-final in 1974, Atlético Madrid held on in Glasgow with only eight players after the referee, Babacan, sent three off."
Then the first of the players interviewed, Gárate, says:
"It was a match with a tremendous atmosphere. We know that there's always a great atmosphere at grounds in England and I think in Scotland this is even more accentuated.
The truth is, it was a match in which we practically never got out of our own box."
Then the second player, one of the Argentinian contingent, Heredia, says: "That Atlético Madrid team showed that night that it was a great side because it achieved an important result in such a difficult away fixture as Glasgow Celtic represented at that time."
Then it just shows the two goals from the second leg, saying: "The return game was memorable two, with a 2-0 scoreline enough to see Atlético through to the final."
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I'm sure this has been said before but my dad said something a few seasons ago, I believe the season after the UEFA cup final.
He said that Celtic seem content to remain around the same level as Rangers because as long as we can beat them most of the time the supporters will be happy. They have no ambition to actually build from strength and push ahead of them.
Now, I'm generally very positive in my approach and am definitely pro-Strachan. But do you not think that this is looking definitely like the case?
I read a post further up that said we judge ourselves against Rangers rather than the rest of Europe.
On reflection I think this could be the case.
What do you think?
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Managers and players come and go but the fans are a constant
I know feelings are running very high but to classify fellow supportors as scum (or indeed that you judge people on the first words uttered and that if they are inarticulate there is a 90% chance that they are a Ranger)is vilification that would be balked at even by the despised print media.
At any rate surely there is a contradiction in defending the good name of the manager or club by denouncing a section of the support in such terms?
There was a great interview with Fergus McCann on CelticUnderground some time ago.The subject of the booing at the raising of the championship flag was raised.My great admiration for Mr McCann went through the roof when he was unequivocal in his defence of the right to behave in such a fashion.
If that is so, then in my view it is a right best expressed in not being exercised(with the exception of an exasperated and spontaneous FFS at some particularly inept passage of play)
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BACK STRACHAN!
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there`s nothing wrong with constructive criticism
we have certain obvious deficeincies which any fan is entitled to comment upon
racism re Sno ...most certainly
agathe /sylla
abuse solely because they have bad games ..no
donati/donuti was every bit as bad as sno on wed ...got no where near as much abuse
please don`t be so conceited as to think sections of our support are above this type of behaviour ...
we have a worldwide reputation well earned ..it must be retained
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Morning CQN'ers
wee ginja ninja still top of the heap
Hail Hail
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neg anon.....
you really shouldnt post at 1.30 in the morning....
.."shame of fans" who aren't convinced gordon is the best we can do...this coming from the guy who attacks the board at every opportunity...
...peole have different opinions on here....most articulate that politely.....many disagree with you....some agree with you....deal with it and give the personal abuse a break...it undermines your arguements.......
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After the Aberdeen encounter with the steward I said that I felt that this was the beginning of the end for Gordon. Why? Because I felt he was not being supported by his own people and any man with any sense would ultimately conclude “Who needs it?” Nothing has happened since to make me feel any different. We are just a few steps closer to the inevitable.
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Must get my copy and paste right.THe full version follows.
After the Aberdeen encounter with the steward I said that I felt that this was the beginning of the end for Gordon. Why? Because I felt he was not being supported by his own people and any man with any sense would ultimately conclude “Who needs it?” Nothing has happened since to make me feel any different. We are just a few steps closer to the inevitable.
Yesterday I posted this. No-one so far has taken up the challenge.
The rumours of Gordon Strachan's departure got me to thinking. Obviously the mineshafters would be pleased whilst happyclappers would likely be disappointed.
Whatever each one's shade of opinion however we would all have to address the question of who would replace him and I began to wonder if there was any consensus down the mineshaft as to what they all might be looking for in a replacement, one who might be both interested and affordable.
Are there many candidates available or are we limited in our choices? Are we looking for a tactician a motivator a coach or a figurehead? Does he need to have European experience or must he be familiar with working in the British Leagues? What sort of track record is essential or are we looking for fresh ideas? Do we know what we want?
I began to think what a superb opportunity for those anxious to see Gordon Strachan replaced to state in advance of speculation on a successor just what sort of individual they might want what their criteria for the future might be and who they saw as capable of satisfying this.
Perhaps someone out there would like to take up the challenge?
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mon the hoops
mon the strach
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The Celtic versus Atletico Madrid tie from 1974 was only 7 years after the World Club Championship matches. With hindsight we can now see that it was very much an Argentinian influenced Atletico team. Their current team has at least three Argentinians in their first team: Maxi, Aguero and goalkeeper Leo Franco. They also have a very good player from that neutral country Uruguay, Diego Forlan.
Maybe we will meet up with them in the UEFA cup!!
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Derbyshirebhoy
I'm probably the happiest of the happy clappers but I have made my feelings on Strachan known privately. I just tend to disagree with discussing this sort of stuff given the timescales.
Looking over your post though w.r.t. 'tactician, motivator, coach, figurehead' I think that we need a manager. I think the media image of the 'tactician' e.g. Benitez is a myth - to be at a club like Celtic, you need it all. Jock Stein had everything, Alex Ferguson has everything (though he's no tactician - if that makes sense!).
On a personal level, I think we should steer clear of Europe and look to the premiership. In my view the two outstanding talents who we could entice are Davie Moyes and my number one target Mark Hughes.
I think an Old Firm manager has a shelf life of 3 - 5 years so we're approaching at least the beginning of the end for Strachan (not performance related) so it's fair game to think ahead.
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Derbyshirebhoy : I can see where you are coming from, it can't be easy for our manager, my only hope is that Gordon has the stubbornness and bloodymindedness and thick skin that you need in this business to keep going. I for one sincerely hope that he finds the support from the BFITW. He's got my wholehearted support and I hope that of many others.
It is possibly our last chance with a Scottish/Irish manager as I expect his successor to be from abroad. Maybe I'm a sentimentalist happyclapper but Strachan ticks all the right boxes for me.
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new article posted.
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100% behind you Gordon.
YOU'LL NEVER WALK ALONE!
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What better way to GIRU the laptop loyal today than an emphatic win & that elusive away clean sheet.
HAIL HAIL
tbdT
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I don't think it's racism but Jim Craig felt that part of the reason why Sno is singled out for criticism is partly because he is black. Not because people hate black people but rather we are a team of white players, he is also 6'2, with dreadlocks and with a distinctive languid style of play. For these reasons Sno inevitably stand out. Donatti could make just as many mistakes but he would get less stick. It's clearly frustration from the fans that he isn't as imposing (yet!) in matches as he should be and because his physique it's impossible for him to hide but it isn't racism except for the very minority of fans. Let's not kid ourselves that we don't have racist fans, all teams do, but we have very few.
As for Celtic fans disliking Gordon for not being 'celticminded', well that's a lot of tosh mckinlay (he was some crosser of the ball eh?). There are a number of reasons why Gordon isn't rated by some fans: When he signed he had little background experience, he was following our second best manager ever, he got hammered in his opening match; which was embarrassing, every time he builds up a good run we seem to have a bad result like Clyde or Falkirk, and he has complete confidence in his own managerial ability. The latter would normally be a strength but when fans have doubts they consider it a weakness. It's got to a the stage were a lot of fans are waiting for a mistake to happen to say 'I told ye so!' but Gordon keeps on producing the goods. I think the majority of supporters are right behind him, I certainly am, but there a lot who have doubts. The main problem is his critics keep on saying 'if he doesn't do this, this, and that then he needs to go', but he keeps on getting the trophies so instead of saying 'well, he has proven me wrong', the boundaries are moved even higher. On a domestic level he hasn't taken a major scalp yet as Rangers have dropped their level in recent years but if he beats Walter this year I think the support will be pretty much unanimous for him. I think he is a great manager personally, and I think his record will show over time. He'll be a manger we'll be happy with in hindsight but not while he's here. Much the same as players like Telfer, Agathe, and Balde I guess.
