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2 in a row??
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2 in a row??
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But we conceded an away goal at the weekend! Sack the board.
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Yeeeee haaaaaa
Not only do I get my first 1st, I've now done the double ;-)
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Must hand it to our money men. Still, we have that conundrum about how we raise our finance without losing our support....Hmmm. Is that the $64,000 question?
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Barcelona injury update
Carles Puyol is recovering faster than Barcelona hoped from an injury to a muscle in his side on 31 January.
Immediate reports at the time suggested he might miss both games against Celtic, but he's stepping up his recovery and may even feature on Saturday against Zaragoza. It seems he's almost certain to play at Celtic Park.
Samuel Eto'o still hasn't made it back from the African Cup of Nations. The Cameroon squad had an official reception with the country's prime minister on Monday, but no one seems to know what the bould Samuel has been up to since then.
He should make it back to Catalonia tomorrow and the Barcelona medical team will assess then how fit he is. They've said they probably would have wanted him to rest this weekend anyway, so Celtic Park will be the soonest he will play again. At this stage, there's no way of knowing how fit he will be.
Let's see if they just read that out on the STV news again.
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If we should knock out Barcelona, Frank Rijkaard will probably not survive, unless they make up some ground in the league in the meantime.
Arsene Wenger is the man they all want to replace him.
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Deloitte Football Money League 2008 (clubs ranked by 2006/07 revenues, excluding player sales, in euros. Previous year's position in brackets):
1 (1) Real Madrid £261m
2 (4) Manchester United £234m
3 (2) Barcelona £216m
4 (6) Chelsea £211m
5 (9) Arsenal £196m
6 (5) AC Milan £169m
7 (8) Bayern Munich £166m
8 (10) Liverpool £150m
9 (7) Inter Milan £145m
10 (12) Roma £117m
11 (15) Tottenham Hotspur £114m
12 (3) Juventus £108m
13 (11) Lyon £105m
14 (13) Newcastle United £96m
15 (16) Hamburg SV £90m
16 (14) Schalke 04 £85m
17 (-) Celtic £83m
18 (-) Valencia £80m
19 (-) Marseille £74m
20 (-) Werder Bremen £72m
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Is this going to be our final top 20 twenty appearance, with the likes of Reading and Bolton overtaking us next year. What a pull for world football, Bolton Vrs Reading in L.A....... Crowd 200 earnings $5m
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From previous post
Estadio, not if you play half time first to 54 goals and full time first to 107.
The counting is fine, just not au fait with Glaswegian playground football etiquette. In Greenock, it was always the same number in each half so nobody got the advantage of playing downhill (local byelaws dictated that all school and wasteground pitches had to be on a slope?
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Can you show the bottom of the table so that we can see what position Rangers finished.
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Seeing as the blog seems to be on a wee bit of a downer these last couple of days, I'll guarantee you wont get fed-up watching this wee beauty.................EVER !!!!!
Courtesy of Celticminded.com
Why I love my club
pablophanque
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Where do the plucky cash-strapped Southsiders feature on the list? Does their absence from the top20 mean this news won't make it onto the back pages up here?
What's the problem with Everton? They consistently finish higher in the EPL than TH and the Mags. Are they not taking in enough money through the gate?
Subt/Cad- I can see a possibility of a jumpers for goalposts/25 halftime 50 the winner/backie goalie kind of game for the non-golfers heading to Aberdour.
I shall bring a bottle of iodine in case anyone skins their knees.
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Someone needs to challenge the validity of the "national structure" of football in Europe otherwise teams from smaller nations (like ourselves)will disappear off the radar.
As I've suggested on this forum before teams like Celtic, Ajax etc who can't take UEFA to court themselves, should be encouraging someone else to do a Bosman for them.
The restrictions imposed by UEFA are a breach of European Union freedom of trade legislation and they are strangling the life out of larger Scottish, Dutch and Belgian teams.
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Pablo- the Blogs on a downer? More of a pawscrape than a shaft, amigo.
Anyways, here's the real Nostalgia FC
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With CL tickets up to £50 from £35 last year then we shoud really pat Celtic on the back.
Pricing life long fans out of the biggest game of the calender year is nothing to be proud of.
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i am shocked at chelsea's numbers...and more than a little suspicious about them....for a club with a small fanbase to achieve virtually the same turnover as barca and be within 10% of manchester utd is staggering..what would be interesting is to see a league table with the top 20 clubs available gross profit...calculated before wages and other operating costs are deducted....i suspect we would be much further down the table than 20th, which shows that the only thing that really counts is the size of the television contract, as it has no cost attached to the monies received.....the club are doing a good job of maximising revenues under the circumstances...it does underline however that controlling our own revenues from tv or more pertinently internet broadcasting in future is the key to further growth....the time is not far off when your tv screen will double as your internet access screen.....the technology is already in place to allow high quality broadband streamed to a 50 inch plasm or lcd.....once we have high quality worldwide access via internet broadcasting then the potential grows significantly....
i am assuming we still own our internet broadcast rights....unlike rangers , who sold them many moons ago
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The Deloitte website is saying that the list is being published tomorrow ,the 14th (which reminds me of something I need to do!). They say that you can register to receive a free text as soon as it is available but obviously the different parts of the press room don't talk to each other since it has already been released. I can't find anything about Rangers' position since the list only goes as far down as Morton.
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Barca Bhoy
London clubs figures will always be slightly distorted due to "london prices" which come into play. I presume this is similar in other large cities such as Milan and Madrid.
For Celtic to be up there is a significant acievement - although i suspect we will slip off next year as the EPL TVdeal comes into play.
Challenging the national league structure will happen soon, how remains to be seen. The EPL plan to go global just may be the catylst. If one league can go global, then why have national leagues anyway?
I think that club like Celtic, Rangers, Ajax, PSV, Benfica, Porto should look to play in their own league, which in time would be far more marketable than the EPL. Not as a substitute to the SPL/CL, but alongside it. (rather like the scandanavian "royal" league).
This movement is happening in cricket right now with the Indian Premier League challenging the ICC as dominant force in world cricket. THe only reason the IPL can do this is money, which i suspect will be the common denominator in all sports, football included.
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TrueTim @ 17.00
Who's paying £50 and what part of the ground is the ticket for?
I'm North Stand Lower, block 103 and I'm paying £38 (up £3.00 from last year)
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TrueTime - Where do you sit? £50is a rip off, specially considering I have a great seat (bar the moaning bar stewards that sit round about) and its only (only !?!?!) £36.
Talking about money, does anyone know how much it would cost to buy a decent 29 seater bus?
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The Herald reports that a Celtic XI beat Dundee 5:0 in a bounce match at Lennoxtown.
2 goals each for Hutchison and Riordan and one for Conroy. Koki played too.
Paul67,
On short termism, I was dismayed to see Crewe fans calling not just for the sacking of the current coach, Steve Holland, but also for their legendary Director of Football, Dario Gradi, on the BBC 606 site. They also are asking "Where has all the money gone?", because Crewe have sold a lot of players over the years and the current crop is not very good. I guess some fans will never accept the realities of running a football operation within your means.
Short termism also shown in the sacking of Ian Dowie and the pressure on Scots Rugby coach just now.
Yet, occasionally, as with the sacking of Jol and the replacement by Ramos, you can get it right by accident almost.
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On Barca prices, I noted that their was some negative coverage of the costs (£91 ??) being charged to exec. club (?) members.
See, even the rich complain about being ripped off.
Leona Helmsley csc
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Celtic First, you said, 'Carles Puyol is recovering faster than Barcelona hoped from an injury to a muscle in his side on 31 January.'
Did they want him to recover more slowly and miss the game like? :)
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SFTB re Dowie, the official reason cited was the significant differences of opinion between the management team and the Board as to how the club should be going forward. Though the fact that it clearly wasn't going forward at all, may have played a part. I remember he did a great job with Palace in taking them from relegation fodder to success in the play offs in a matter of months.
Someone who can do that must have something going for him and less than a year in the job at a club that was struggling when he took over does not seem a fair crack of the whip
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Chris/Subterranean
From previous
I know, encourage and respect the fact that change is a necessary thing for all systems, lifestyles and even organisms to develop and survive. Its the founding principle as Wallace and Darwin so effectively theorised after all.
Undoubtedly many many changes over the years and many occurring nowadays will prove to be both essential and beneficial to the game and club we follow.
But many changes are also detrimental and to equate change with progress is a dangerous mirage.
And as Wallace and Darwin would almost certainly highlight, many adaptations lead to extinction.
The game itself is simple with its 17 laws and at the grass roots has changed little.
However the conditions, equipment, skills, fitness and culture have undoubtedly changed for the better and no-one would want to revert to the days of the mouldmaster, black-ash, neck-high tackling or medicine ball headers.
Substitutions, showers, decent pay, intelligent coaching and ground safety and facilities are a million times (I exaggerate for emphasis) better.
The concept of a European league is undoubtedly on the agenda and I would love to see Celtic in that vanguard.
But beware the pitfalls as well.
I don't know about you but I have worked and travelled in many places, and continental sports tend to have predominently 'home' based support.
We are bad enough in this small country, but see the NFL or basketball, or baseball in the States and Canada.
Atmosphere? Rivalry? Sorry not very often and not for me.
The game is changing but at the moment in my opinion, not EVOLVING.
It is being driven by the need for TV and Administrative authorities to make money, not by the preservation and encouragement of the characteristics that made it thrive.
That one factor will see the game changing out of all recognition and while it may attract a new following in a different environment.
I don't have a problem with those who are happy to see that happening. They are entitled to their opinion; but I see little wrong in suggesting that there is an alternative that would see something far more familiar, far more inclusive and far more exciting.
I would prefer to see it progressing by building on the strong foundations of some of the past and present and discarding those bits also from the past and present that are unstable and threatening.
That needs a wider forum for discussion than any of the current administrative bodies and even I hasten to add, CQN.
It MUST involve the fans. The task is for some champion to materialise who can pull this world-wide rag-tag and bob-tail diaspora of disparate opinion and mould it into a coherent force and voice for the good of the game.
Failing that the danger is that the voices of the lugubrious 'wheel-oilers' will eventually see their bank balances rocket sky-high with our money while they ensure that we are served up with a disinfected offering of predictable emptiness. But hey, the advertisers are happy, the TV companies are happy, and we are all getting fat watching games in some far flung corner of the universe between teams that stand for nothing, represent no-one, and identify with no more than the bottom line on their pay-docket.
Yes that's it a pseudo reflection of American football, without the saving grace of the 'liberal' and egalitarian recruitment system.
So if you wish to ignore the danger that arises from an already discredited and penalised FIFA supported by a quiescent and supportive UEFA, and capitalised upon by carpet-baggers from across the pond then fine.
A major change to that outdated and archaic structure would be the best thing that could happen to the game.
Perhaps a simple change, usually the best way, where the representatives are elected by a much wider electorate and appointments are not carried out as 'grace and favour' back-handers.
Real ideas for change could flow, real proposals for creativity, imaginative concepts for competition and fairness.
Now THAT would be progress
Hail Hail
Estadio
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I sit in the old stand in line with the 18 yard line (hence my frustration with Gary Caldwell).
£35 each for 4 tickets for my brothers and sister last year to Milan I can handle but when they want £200 for the same tickets then you need to draw a line.
I won't be buying any Celtic merchandise again either.
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The sad thing is that when I explain this to people they offer me £50 to go back and get the tickets for them.
Celtic will win this one but the manner in which they are doing so leaves a lot to be desired.
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Cadizzy,
Posted on last thread by mistake (but glad you reminded me of the date)
If we played to 54 half time, then the rule was that we could in theory get to 54 all before the deciding goal. Hence my view that 109th had to the final goal although the winner was 55.
Must admit 25 half time/51 winner used be the most we ever played on the streets before it got too dark to see the ball (usually discarded tennis ball- no white luxury plastic fur us).
hail hail
Estadio
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TrueTim
I'm half way between 18 yard box and half way line, north stand, block 103 row P. Great view and my ticket is £37. I believe that for Non-STHs it should be £43.
How is the £50 calculated?
I don't see how this £50 is calculated.
I thought the highest STH ticket (non exec) was £38.
Hail hail
Estadio
ps. Off for a quick drink now wae my new found Greek cousins!
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Viewfromthewindae, you would not bet against it.
DBBIA, it’s a brief list, not something phone book sized. Rangers do not appear.
mikeythebhoy, agree 100%
Cadizzy, “Morton”, :-)
SFTB, I took an interest in Crewe many years ago as a result of Dario Gradi’s success.
It will not surprise you that he was far from universally appreciated among the Crewe support, many of whom I knew (used to do business in that area) thought him tactically naive and a weight around the club’s neck.
Of course they were not going to replace him with someone as good; they had the best man for the club, but he retired.
Dario Gradi is not the yardstick with which to measure subsequent Crewe managers.
I remember saying much the same about us in 2005.
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Estadio
5:11 and 10:21 were certainly the standard arrangements in Castlemilk. I can't actually recall dealing in larger numbers (insert your own joke there).
However, I recall the variants of 2:5 and 3:7 being agreed if your maw called you in for tea. I don't think I ever agreed to 3:7 if it was ma maw doing the calling.
In those days when you called Childline, they sent a Social Worker round to skelp ye for cheeking yir maw.
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@Cadizzy:
Morton still run at a profit don't they?
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Estadio,Cadizzy
We used to play ten twentyone'rs. With rushies (any man save)
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Luca Brassi,
I think "rushies" were known as "nearies" down Port Glasgow way.
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Estadio,
I largely agree with you. My nostalgic posts were hopefully humorous. ;-)
It is precisely because Celtic has a universal appeal and identity that I think we should be aiming for the top competitive tier, whatever that pans out to be.
Yes, hopefully we can contribute to and help shape the future structure of professional competitive football.
My main concern is that we get left behind in a global sense by having to compete within the confines of Scottish football with its limited finance.
Beating our current main rivals is well and good. But I hope to see us playing and beating AC Milan, Juventus, Real Madrid, Barcelona, Man United, Arsenal, Liverpoool, Bayern Munich, Ajax, Benfica etc on a regular basis.
I dread that football becomes the equivalent of the NFL franchise system.
Chris
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In North Ayrshire 5 - 11 and 10 - 21 games were common but risked ending too quickly...or going on forever.
Typical school playground football games either lasted all day or all week. Most goals the winner.
I remember my P4 team shipping around 50 goals without reply to a triumphant P7 team lead by Roy Aitken.
Chris
scarredByTheBearCSC
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Paul
From your previous article 'Short-term populism is the curse of football'. Short-term populism maybe a curse but it is an integral part of the beautiful game.
The emotional pull of a football club turn sane sensible citizens into irrational beings, that is why we love it so much. It is the human frailities of football that attracts us, whether it is the from the MIB being bias or the player that makes the mistake that causes a goal. We lash out collectively against it, when we are a goal down, we scream for this player to come off, this player to come on, the manager does not know what he is doing. We all hear ourselves shouting out at players what you would never saying to someone in any other walk of life.
Take away the emotions and the irrational thinking of the support in football and you are just left with any other product. The last few days on this site there has been quite a few discussions about empty seats at Parkheid, we have heard everything from the oncoming economic disasters that will cripple this country to the lack of quality from the visiting teams to blame. I am sure there are a variety of reasons why there are empty seats. In my opinion part of the blame can be laid down at the sanitisation and the corporatism of the beautiful game. We are no longer a supporter of a club we are a customer, a client. Big business is severing the emotional umbilical cord that attaches the supporter to the club they love.
Every year our traditions get trample on, we are as far away from Brother Walfrids idea of Celtic as we are physically away from the moon. Maybe supporters are turning away because they have begun not to recognize the Celtic they grew up with, that their love of the club which was handed down to them from generation to generation which they had an affinity to is changing.
Short-term populism is part and parcel of being a supporter of a club like Celtic, it might not make great business sense but it does make you feel that the powers that be are listening to you, it can uplift your emotions when you are down, make you feel part of the collective.
Now I know to the capitalists amongst us this does not make good business sense but football does not exist to make sense, we go to the games to get away from the working world, to feel alive, we do not attend games to increase the value of the share prices. Football is one of the last bastions of collectivism left in this country. Neo-Liberals and Capitalists like Thatcher, Hayek and Friedman have stressed the individual rather than the collective is better, I'm all right Jack, get on your bike, there no such thing as Society any more, Private does it better than Public, you tell a lie often enough and people will believe it.
Newcastle supporters should be praised for what they done regardless the consequences of the outcome, as a collective they did not like the way their team was headed, supporters stop attending the matches not because of some future economic down spiral forcast by wannabe economists but because of the style of football.
Football supporters are irrational, they identify with their club, they do not identify with a brand or a corporate image. Greed is selling the soul of football that is what is turning people off the beautiful game.
Although this is an excellent Celtic website with a wide variety of views, I do though have a slight critism of this site and that is in your own little way Paul you are helping changing Celtic to Brand Celtic by over emphasing Corporate Celtic, in a way you have become the 'Henk Potts' of the CQN, with weekly economic forecasts of rising share prices for the Bhoys and prophesising bankruptcy for the Huns ( BTW I for one would hate to see the orcs go under, we would enjoy it for a month or two and then we would have to invent another manky mob, I don't think anybody here has that great of an imagination to come up with another enemy as loathsome as the huns)
Paul you are helping creating Celtic as a separate busines entity devoid of the passion and emotion that entails what supporting a Football club use to represent, gone are traditions because it does not make good business sense, do not listen to the supporters of the club as it does not make good business sense, cater to the individual shareholder but not the collective.
You ended your article 'Short-term populism is the curse of football' should be painted above every stadium entrance in the country, maybe then the penny will drop. That is like saying please leave all your Passions and Emotions at the turnstile.
Polemic CSC
I await the unleashing of the Dogs of Capitalism
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My dear,dear Friend, PJ
In ref.to your submission of the wee sma' hoors.
In which you voiced agreement in my assertion... That things...economically speaking... where not all that they should be, in Denmark!
I am shocked,nay...astounded,suprised even... paralysed, with astonishment.
That being said... I feel a whooooollllllotta Bettah!
Indeedy do, you are correct in stating that the U.S. economy and by extension.... the WOILD economy ....is ONE and the same... AILING PUPPY!
It is not in a state of actual SICKNESS... at the moment... But, not to worry... It's Getting There.
And .....how is this for co-incidence....
Evidently, according to the Financial Times(ft.com) this gay morn... None other( Whit?..ed)( Ah Know.... Ah don't know whit that means eether...but...all together now!...."Everybody says it!")
None other, than the August(!) Mr. King,who is presently the Keeper o' the Flame...at The Old Lady.....
WARNS!!!.... paraphrased...but very accurate...check it out...
"The U.K. Economy....faces 'a deeper and more Persisent Slowdown' than FOIST predicted'..
Wella... LA ! DEE! DA!
The U.K. Economy, in LOCK STEP with the U.S. and China and The Rest of the WOILD... has been slipping into a recessionary phase....
SINCE LAST AUGUST,2007!
How do I know?
Because, I got out of the British Banks.... in July2007!
I have since been buying back into them.
How does one know when a recession is on the horizon??
Simple...
Watch the BANKS!
How does one know when a recession...has run it's course...
Simple.
WATCH THE BANKS.....
Why?
Because, as Mr. Sutton... wisely commented ,all those years ago..... "That's where the Money is!"
Money Makes the Woild Go Round!
To return to this Morn's KING warning....
When someone asks me for Financial Advice...when they foist decide to enter the churling waters of the Stock Market...here is my very,very,very foist piece of it...
Do not believe ANYTHING THAT IS PREDICTED IN THE WALL STREET JOURNAL!
Whenever a FINANCIAL TIP.. extolling the Qualities of a Particular Stock..f'rinstance..appears in the rag.
DO NOT BE DECEIVED by INTO INVESTING IN THAT VEHICLE!
For...
ASTUTE MEMBERS of the Financial community, have already invested in that particular Company,at a far,far earlier date... and are now waiting, UNTIL THE PENERAL GUBLIC, becomes PUBLICALLY INFORMED of its investment potential...and the Wise Guys..are waiting to DUMP that Stock!
In the same spirit...of subterfuge..meaning never give a Suckah....an EVEN BREAK..
The Controllers of the Destiny of the Financial Well Being of a Country....
Shall never allow the TRUE state of the Nation's Economic Health, to become Public Knowledge...to reduce Panic in the Market.
But the Wise Guys... Know...yes, they know... and now You my readers will know....
WATCH THE BEHAVIOUR OF THE BANKS!
Mr.KING is not a Day late and a Pound Short with his news... to me!
He is slowly and inexorably admitting to what the members of the smart set...already well know.
Really...he HAS TO Make this WARNING!...
Soon the SLIPPAGE IN THE ECOMOMIC GROWTH IN THE U.K. will begin to become known by the same PENERAL GUBLIC that we have already mentioned.
Once one notices that his personal Economic Standard is being Gored...
The the Penny shall drop with same urgency that one would quickly discard a Hot Horse Shoe!
Then,of course, it will be Too late.... for one to make the proper Investing Adjustments, to PROTECT OR TAKE ADVANTAGE OF HOW THE RECESSIONARY WILL AFFECT ONE'S PORTFOLIO!
For the VERY,VERY, VERY,VERY,VERY ,... BESTEST TIME OF ALL ....
FOR ONE TO INVEST IN THE MARKET...
IS WHEN THE BLOOD IS IN THE STREETS!
How do I know that...
BECAUSE THAT IS THE ONLY TIME THAT I EVER INVEST ....And WITH BOTH HANDS...in the Market.
What is my secret....?
NO secret...everybody Knows...
"BUT LOW ...AND SELL HIGH?"
How does one achieve this...?
One MUST ALWAYS BE....
Ta DA
PRO-ACTIVE! and NOT .... REACTIVE!
Easy for me to say?
Sure!
For that is another aphorism that I have built my life around..
And ye know sumptin'?
IT WOIKS.....Oh! How it WOIKS!
In conclusion...
How long does a recession last...?
My studies show...
FROM THE BEGINNING ... in our present case... AUGUST,2007
Until it expires, into a nascent and SLOW... Economic Revival... once all of the mistakes and follies of the past have been squeezed out...always a painful experience.
A Recession usually lasts One Year and Ten Months or Seven Quarters...
of course that statement is a very subjective one...and is MY OWN PERSONAL OBSERVATION...so...
a very rough prediction on an Economic Revival,I would be looking for an Economic Upturn...commencing ...
March2009...
AFTER THE FOIST QUARTER in the NEW PRESIDENTIAL CYCLE!
The Clinching of the Economic Revival and the co-incident NEW PRESIDENTIAL CYCLE occuring at the same time... Is....that..
IT IS FAR,FAR FROM BEING A COINCIDENCE!
Presidential Cycles are the Rosetta Stone ,in the understanding of WOILD ECONOMIC CYCLES!
But that my friend, it a Whole other Ball of Wax
Now...NO MORE, from me on this subject..
Let's Put it to bed!
Kojo.
Yer Pal... who likes the way you think.
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narrowboat,
I must disagree on the demise of the manky mob, I have for a long time and continue to wish for exactly this.
I honestly dont care if we have no replacement foe, I'd much prefer to be meeting the european elite on a weekly or even for now in the champions league, all they represent I find abhorant and the sooner they fall the sooner this little british outpost can get on with trying to honestly be mulicultural and show all the little imperialists that pandering to such dogma is not profitable. I have advocated for a long time that celtic should not consider ourselves part of an old firm, but should be thinking of making our way in the world without dragging this filth with us everywhere we go.
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The football tonight on BBC 1 replaces the first screening of Atilla the Hun!!
No further comment
Hail hail
Estadio
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True Tim,
I am also in line with 18 Yard of the old stand. My tickets are £37 and £24 for the concession. I would check your price.
Compare this to Barcelona who will be charging Celtic fans 110 euro (around £79)
Price you pay for the top 16 in Champions league!
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kojo,
would that be the same banks who were willing to lend people 5 times their income and offer 50 year morgages, a recipe for disaster if ever there was one eh.
Agreed watching the money is normally the best way to guage the climate but recently the banks have being making record profit.
Does the recession start this week or next, and would you advise buying northern rock stock ?
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barcabhoy...
mccurry's team sold their rights but they got a pretty penny for it...
was it £20M?
we held on to ours but what have we done with our rights?
NADA.
it appears to me that they made the correct decision.
PAUL67.... was there a time limit on the rights?
are they gone from rankers forever or do they get their rights back in a few years??
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I think that Barcabhoy's post raises an interesting question with regard to broadcast and media rights.
We are seeing technologies converge and it's progressively harder to spot the difference between your phone, your PC and your telly.
I wouldn't pretend to claim to understand the legal ramifications of all this - but when will a telly channel start beocimg an internet web page or vice versa?
What will that mean in the grand scheme of things as to who will own the media rights and with what geographic constraints?
Are technology developments likely to lead to legal challenges in the near future?
MorequestionsthananswersCSC
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canamalar
If the opportunity for an European league including Celtic without the Huns was there I agree totally with you, likewise if we are invited to join the EPL without the huns I agree with that too, I would gladly be devoid of the huns forever for new rivals would emerge especially in the EPL.
What I was saying and maybe I should have clarified myself better as long as we are stuck in the SPL, life would be boring without the huns to get your ire up. Call me a masochist or suffering from a martyr syndrome but victory is so much sweeter when you know it is against the huns and their hordes of cheating allies as in the MIB and Duffield, Laptop Loyal etc. I enjoy being wronged against by the Huns and friends for the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph.
If the Huns disappear from the SPL and we are still stuck in the SPL where is the glory of finishing ahead of Gretna and et al.
Ask yourself this why when we play at home to the huns that it is the hardest ticket to get in the season (unless it is the game we clinch three in a row)
For Glory and for the Hoops
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My dear friend, Glover...
You sir/madam, have adopted a... what is known in the trade...as a P.P.I.E.W. nomme de blog!
You dinnae know that?
Wella, now ye dae!
Congratulations.!
Ticket prices?
You are correct. We the fans of Celtic....are getting a Cut-price rate on our Briefs( How dae you know?...when wiz the last time ye visited a Scottish Haberdashery?...ed)( As usual pal. like yer eyes after a lost week-end..yer wires are crossed!...keep oot o'this!)
Like you have observed, Celtic are charging Third Class prices for Foist Class Entertainment.
Where else can one buy for a pittance a FIX that can last....at least Two Days?
After the last Celtic game... my FIX, is still WOIKING!
Although, to be honest... it did not cost me a Cent...at the Parkhead Gate... but, that is anither tale!
Be that as it may or mayn't...
Your are so right.... Celtic are in actual fact....
UNDER CHARGING THE MARKET!
And even on the wonderful and exciting CL eves... Celtic are giving us a present in the shape of low admission fees....
I believe...check that...I know! ... that Celtic could Charge Double!... and still fill the Stadium!
And how dae I know,this.....?
Because, pal....
Supporting, the Celtic ,is not mere, Recreational Entertainment......
IT IS AN ADDICTION!
Ye are right!
and anybody who says, otherwise....
Is...
Wella.... WRONG!.....Natch!
Kojo.
yer pal, Who likes the way ye think.
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EeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeVNING ALL
Just been researching the bigJoe ……………………..
Family history……………………………………………AND
I have discovered I have an Greek…………………….
uncle…………………………………………………
there’s only 1…………………………………………..
Panathinaikos!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
BigJoeWhoWnatsTHEM2loooooooooooseBAD
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On the disappearance of Rangers.
The idea is, at first sight, wonderful. Away with that absurd sense of superiority they have, with their marble staircase and "iconic" brick facade.
But then I stop and think, what would I do without the outrage, the righteous fury, the sense of injustice...
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Celtic tv showing 70 Euro Semi.
What a crowd and what a team we were.
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Dennis 47
Sherlock had his Moriarty
Rome had its Carthage
Jerry had his Tom
Success is not measured by what you accomplish but by the opposition you have encountered, and the courage with which you have maintained the struggle against overwhelming odds.
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Mon the Pannis lets hope it is a Greek Tradegy for the Huns.
Sophocles CSC
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Marty the Maestro, "nearies"? what strange people are the Portonians. My granda was from Fore St. so I should watch what I say. "nearest the ba'" was the expression we used in the sophisticated parts of Inverclyde (before it was Inverclyde)
Has Pana scored yet? Big Joe my uncle must have gone to school with yours.
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I posted this just after the CIS semi final where Mike McCurry delivered a quite bewildering performance. This is the list of referees and their appointments for Rangers games this season.
Referee Total
McCurry 5
Brines 3
Clarke 3
McDonald 3
Richmond 3
Collum 2
Tumilty 2
Conroy 1
Crawford 1
Freeland 1
Smith 1
Thomson 1
I see Mr McCurry is to further extend his lead at the top of the Rangers list when he takes charge of Kilmarnock v Rangers next Sunday.
What bets on yet another string of strangely one sided decisions?
When do things even themselves out with this guy?
When does a blip become a trend?
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Do we want the hun to win tonight? surely the more ganes they have the more stretched their already thin resources will be spread over the next few weeks
just a thought.
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My dear,dear,friend... Canamalar...
I will make an exception and continue on this Economic Thread...just for you,babe.
In my last submission.. I very clearly stated...
WE( U.K.and U.S.) ARE and HAVE BEEN IN A RECESSION ... since...
AUGUST 2007.
A Recession is like a seed...
One plants...And patiently awaits until the foist little shoots,to start to poke out of the ground... then and only then, do we realise that something has been growing.... sight unseen....inexorably.
Believe me pal... The U.K. Recession is there, it has started....unseen, at the moment by the Peneral Gublic... but, it's growing...yes it's growing...and soon the foist green shoots will appear.....for all to see.
What the Banks do...is what the Banks do...
It is not REAL money,anyway... one is convinced that it is... but it is no!
Do you think for a moment that the Bank lends out Real Money?
Northern Rock...
Is NO REALLY A BANK,any way!
It is what we called years ago... A Building Society... spivvied up...no doubt ... but it is inherently, a Building Society.
I would not touch it with the proverbial!
The Banks... those, which I have mentioned before... in which I am presently and CONTINUOUSLY....buying....
are the following U.K. High Street BANKS...
Barclays......a Steal.....
Royal Bank of Scotland... also a theft.
and my favourite... abune them awe...
Lloyds TBS.... At this time... they are Paying an DIVIDEND of....
EIGHT PER CENT ....and a wee bit mair, on Your investment Pound!
We must really stop meeting like this,pal...
To many of the other Contributers to this sainted blog...
The Discussion of Economics is a Dead Subject...
Let's bow to their wishes.
Kojo.
yer pal... who likes ye.
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mncelt
I'd rather they just lost every game they play, then fixture congestion will be irrelevant :^)
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Panathinaikos look happy with the draw at the moment. Not really adventurous. A boring, take a goal if it comes performance looming by the looks of things.
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I'll say one thing for the Greeks, they're not shy of shooting from range.
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Cadizzy……………………………………..
I think we will find……………………….
Our…………………………..uncles
had a few……………………………
Celtic mates…………………………………….
In there class……………………………………
BigJoewhoHASlostHisSKYsignal
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There have suggestions that Celtic is far removed from that founded by Br Walfrid and that it does not treat the supporters in ways he would have recognised. In short, we are customers. Balderdash and piffle. This is nothing new. It started almost at the very beginning and the support has always in my memory felt we were taken for granted, apart from by the likes of Mr Stein. The conditions we put up with until the coming of Mr McCann would induce incredulity in the young. He, at the very least, allowed to own Celtic, for the first time.
And as for people suggesting that the stands are empty because of the chance to watch it in a nice warm pub with a nice cold beer. God give me strength...That guys can't afford to go, especially from outwith Scotland; fair enough. But to opt for the pub in Coatbridge or Croy or the Chateau du Lait?!?
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BBC Commentator as a Pana player goes down from a challenge from Weir.
"I'm always happy when referees come from big leagues. He's excellent."
Write that down for later just in case.
Just as I type this Davis assaults the left back wit h a high challenge. No booking, the ref had a word with him though.
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The Football Association of Ireland have confirmed the appointment of Giovanni Trapattoni as the new Republic of Ireland boss.
I guess the Beast lost out on another job, he is becomming more like his doppleganger Yosser Hughes everyday, 'Gissa Job' , I can do dat.
On MIB someone brought up Wee Bazza's lack of Yellow Cards in Scotland but he has one in Europe. Reminds when the Huns had not one player sent off for about 4 or 5 years in Scotland but had something like 5 or 6 players sent off during the same time in Europe.
Stranger than Fiction CSC
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Craig Paterson is a lesson in impartiality. He's actually ran out of superlatives to describe every Rangers involvement so far.
The Davis strike 'a phenomenal effort' which the keeper saved with ease despite seeing it late. Not a word on the save!!
Sound off, Radiohead on!
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mncelt,
We want Rangers to lose tonight and lose again in Greece.
We want Rangers to have a free run at the title with no fixture congestion / fighting on too many fronts excuses.
We want Celtic to win 3 in a row without even the slightest hint of an excuse down Ibrox way.
We even want Celtic to have a further two CL matches after we dismiss Barca:)
....and still win 3 in a row, the Scottish Cup and go where no Scottish team has gone before in the CL.
I don't want much, eh?
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A tackle described as a great bit of trickery from Novo.
Great to see all these magnificent tricks.
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thismancraig
Radiohead you say?
SIR YES SIR!
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Big Billy is talking on Celtic TV. He is waxing lyrical about the Cup win in '65 and its aftermath and consequences. Will be forever one of the happiest days of my life and the winner he scored is etched indelibly in my heart. Oh, the joy it gives me just to recall how I felt at that moment.
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Rangers to lose every time and by as many goals as possible is my hope in every match they play against whoever. Hate them for what they stand for and long to see their end.
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U2_1888
Make mine a Treble too
I like the way you think, give them no excuses.
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Parkheadcumsalford
Here here, or should that be Hail Hail
Pana have fashioned a couple of wee opportunities but no real strike at goal yet.
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Pana defender played Novo through, their goalie saved well at his feet.
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Are rangers playing shamrock roversianikos tonight
Always support the team in green
thewearingofthegreen csc
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Commentators waxing lyrical about Davis every time he touches the ball. He keeps giving it away though, shame that :^)
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McCulloch just slyly booted their goalie as he ran out. Shocker. Still no booking.
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I got 2 tickets with my one one member card section 113 Lisbon Lions lower @£46 each + £1.40 each
pay £32 a year membership then you get tickets £9 more expensive than season ticket holders in the same section, rip off.
just as well my own ticket was £36
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Rangers are punting the ball up for elbows to chase. Not going so well at the moment for them. Aside from a couple of defensive mistakes from Pana, this game has been largely boring so far.
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The Greeks don't look particularly threatening from set pieces, a couple of corners and just there a free kick all easily taken by the hun keeper.
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from what ive seen McGregor has been rangers most creative player tonight two hoofers up the park,or route 1 as the commentator says ,they will get some joy from that ,mmmmm
doesntnovogetonyourwick csc
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This referee is really card shy. Papac tripped a player to stop his opposite number breaking up the park. No booking.
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Not half as much as seeing CQN providing live updates of a Huns game.
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Novo misses a glorious chance. Another great save from the Greek goalie.
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Just wondering if anyone knows with all these stats regarding bookings,fouls and McCurry's blatant bias towards hun,when can we officially stop calling ourselves paranoid. After all the facts back up what we already know,that is we are being cheated on a regular basis and have been for years.
Have to admit im astonished,McCurry has the kilmarnock game.No doubt who will be the benificiary of his honest mistakes again on sunday.
-Lynott
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This Hun team are doing their predecessors from the 70's proud. What a bunch of absolute horrors and cluggers.
Kirk Broadfoot has a real pigeon chest/hunchback look that puts me in mind of the wonderful Gregor Stevens
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My Loyal Cardigan, "U ur re peeepple". 4-5-1. You amaze me with your mystcal attacking formation. This is the way to go. Guru football.
4 class strikers playing across the back
5 world class strikers playing across the middle.
1 super skilled one touch master striker plying on his own up front because he is that good,
"We ur tha peeepple".
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Lynott67
Perhaps Killie will win with a last minute pen. Miracles can happen :^)
Wee altercation in the tunnel at greyskull. 0-0 at half time.
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George burley again. I am pig sick of looking and listening to this man.
I have always been a Scotland fan 2nd only to being a Hoops mad Tim. It has been hard to keep it up over the last few seasons with the obvious preference for Hun managers with a token Tim, but I have managed. But this man Burley (a hun) is seriously doing ma heed in. Go away and shut up.
Rant over.
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Dougie Vipond and Burley letting me know all the quality I'm watching.
Good thing they told me cos I thought I was watching a load of rubbish :^)
Mind you, we used to practice in the same studio as Deacon Blue and Dougie was always a top bloke so fair play to him I suppose.
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If I hear one more thing about the "Two banks of 4" I'll go mad.
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think we had much better ueafa cup matches
at least they were exiting
Uncle george burley ,half time analysiser for the millionth time since becoming scotland manager,im sick of the sight of him already
pana look as if there here for the draw trying ridiclous shots from distance
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To be fair to Rangers they have been alright so far, they' been organized, have managed to create chances, and they don't look like conceding anytime soon. Pan have not put much pressure on Rangers in the final third and have been a little sloppy in defense. Hopefully Pan up the tempo in the second half as I'm certain they could cause Rangers some problems. At the moment Rangers are on top though as they should be at home.
Novo has been a nuisance as always but his lack of quality is evident with some sloppy touches in the box. Then again he does have the excuse of not playing very much this season.
I'm surprised Pan have not put more pressure on Kirk Broadfoot, if they had scouts watching them then they would know that he is their weak link, a poor centre back playing full back.
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I'm sure that Edward would prefer to watch the game that Vipond and Burley are watching - Rankers in control (?!!); Greeks apparently unlikely to score if they continue as they did in the first.
Meanwhile, back in Planet Reality, the Greeks are dominating, Nacho couldn't hit a barndoor and Lee barges every Greek as if they were barndoors.
Hats off to Walt and Ally though. They've put out an attacking formation (?!?). The only reason the Greeks haven't scored is that no-one is brave enough to get too close to the back four - Cuellar, Broadfoot, Papac and Weir - now that is ugly football.
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malceye
I wouldn't say the Greeks are dominating. They've had alot of the ball but done very little going forward. From both sides it's been fairly one dimensional and poor in my opinion. Rangers have had the better chances which has probably led to the "In control" statement. I agree they're far from in control but certainly Pana aren't looking particularly threatening.
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And as I speak, the punt fest resumes.
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After a bright start from the huns the lack of quality is shining through again.
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Can someone tell me how we have managed to fall 4 points behind this mob ?
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How slow is Davie Weir? I'd actually like to know :^)
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Narrowbhoat, short-term populism does not only make poor business sense, it makes poor football sense.
Look at its main purveyors and compare with the long term thinkers.
Short-termism is not the root of good football tradition, or of Celtic tradition, if it was, Celtic would never have built a stadium.
Mcgrory-for, Rangers sold their rights and then bought them back, neither transaction was valued at £20m, though they borrowed from NTL at the same time the sold them, and I think the total income from sale and loan came to circa £15m.
Rangers have not revealed the terms of their buy back from NTL, specifically, what latent rights NTL retain and what NTL will earn out of future internet income.
The principle figure for the buy back was £1 only, which might sound like a great deal, but remember, NTL could still be entitled to 50% of income (for example).
Celtic retain ownership of their internet rights and have started Channel67 with them, not quite “nada”
You are the only Celtic fan I know who would like us to sell our Internet rights, which we can do at any time, but which I would prefer to retain.
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malceye
I agree with WGS on that one
Our own personal errors.
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I'm actually laughing at the moment.
Pana corner picked up in the box by Ferguson. He turns. Ibrox erupts in anticipation of a break up the park. Suddenly it dies as they realise their entire team is in the box.
Moment of the night so far. Shows how great the entertainment has been. I think I might watch something else.
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According to Paterson, elbowing = "leverage". Separately, are Broadfoot and Cuellar related ?
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Paul
Someone mentioned a bounce game earlier in which Hutchinson scored a double and Koki featured. Any word on that one?
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Evening folks. What happened in The Bill?
Who is the summariser on the BBC? Apparently it is OK for McCullcoh to use his arms for elverage - even on the face of an opponent!
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Sorry Paul, didn't phrase my question very well at all.
I was wondering how Koki performed (assuming Hutchinson played well to grab a brace). And if there is anywhere I can read about it.
I ask because I bumped into Paul Hartley the other day and he seemed impressed by Koki in particular.
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One of these times Novo is going to connect properly with the ball and hit the bar.
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One of these times a hun player will get booked for a late tackle.
This is getting silly from the ref. He rightly booked a Pana player for a late tackle earlier. The only booking so far.
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A slight knock from Lee McCulloch as mcculloch ram raided the pan-shamrock player.
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Malceye………………………………..
Not sure about………………………………
Broadfoot and Cuellar being related ?
But……………………………………
I have it on good opinion…………………………..
THAT……………………………………………….
Cuellar and Noel 90………..are related
BigJoeWHOiswonderingWhereMr90IS
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Panathanaikos' opponents in the next round will likely be W Bremen who won very comfortably 3-0 over portugese Braga. Bremen looked good although I don't know how much the quality of the opposition had to do with that perception.
Celtic-Seph,
Keep the commentary coming please. Don't turn over.
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I have kidnapped Noel90
I will release him for one million American dollars.
*checks the exchange rate*
Very well, two million.
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Cousin on - be interesting to see how he plays.
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twelfthman - just for you then.
Moment of note.
Cousin on for Adam. He was half cheered, half jeered by the huns in attendance. Then the Kris Boyd song resounded around Greyskull.
Hmmmmmm
Great saves from the Pana keeper this time. Novo fluffed it from 5 yards.
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Craig Paterson, are you on drugs.
I would need a tape recorder to quote some of this guys beauties tonight. How far up RANKERS SPHINCTER is this guy.
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*puts Columbo style coat on and squints*
Just one more thing....
Davis isn't very good, gives the ball away ALOT.
If he is as good as the commentary suggests then why does Massimo get slated so much?
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does Lee McCulloch have a diplomatic daytime job which carries absolute immunity ? The lad is a thug. And before there is any cry of defamation, let me declare the defence of "veritas"
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I'm telling you, if Novoconnects he will hit the bar. mark my words. you heard it here first.
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BBC Commentator seals his fate. "Walter SMITH is on his way to the dugout."
Doesn't he know of the no surname clause in his contract? THROW HIM TO THE LIONS!
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I'm confused. The commentators tell me one of these teams is playing well. Anyone know what they are watching??
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moonbeams,
If I had a night like Novo's having, I'd hit the bar as well
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The punt fest is getting tedious. If Pana had any quality in attack they would be dangerous as they defend well enough. Rangers formation is almost accordion-like in the way if folds when they are under attack.
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'As if by magic, here's the manager'
He walked down the stairs from his frankly ridiculous position in the stand!
What a place!
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CelticSephiroth, I have no info on the fabled game.
I also hear that Koki is performing very well in training, the words, “he is a Celtic player” were used.
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Spartak have just been savaged 3-0 at Marseille. I guess I can wave bye bye to that windfall then!
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Paul,
I enjoyed your use of the word "fabled"
Glad to hear that RE: Koki. I'm looking forward to seeing him play.
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kojo,
I am seeing shoots, but at the moment the construction industry is booming, and thats how I guage.
I've never seen so mant tower cranes in most of our large cities in my working life, but then thats money already spent, which is why as I said last night I think the construction industry will drag the rest through this one.
yer right the comments offered by other posters has encourage us to desist from such trivial chat, especially when there are more important things being commented on.
I thank you very much for that little gem, and will take heed and stick a few bob on it, but am I too late, I am a novice to this trading game, I have generaly stuck my money on property, as I a bit afraid of the trading.
Anyroadup. yer a good guy and I hope yer good fortune continues, till you get everything you want.
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St Mirren win at Tannadice to go through in the Cup.
The game at Greyskull is petering out a wee bit. I expect an explosion of activity with 5 minutes to go.
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Evenin all.
Any idea what channel's showing the European ftba?
Currently I'm watching a team of cloggers in blue playing an impotent Greek side. Surely this isn't it?
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WizardofOz
I think the european footie is played next week but there might be a game on tomorrow. :^)
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Pana playing possession football just now with a couple of minutes to go. Had a great opportunity to cross in there and didn't take it.
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Kojo
I feel I have to comment and take you to task on your continued contention that we are in the midst of a recession.
A recession is usually defined as a number of quarters, some analysts say 2, some as many as four, with increasing negative growth.
The latest figures show that the real GDP growth in 2007 was over 2 per cent.
The initial estimated growth for the 4th quarter is a positive 0.6 per cent and liable to be revised upwards.
This points to a slow down in growth over comparative quarters in 2006, but it hardly represents negative growth or recession.
If the Treasury and the Capital Markets can get their act together and slow or even halt the decline in the housing market, we can look forward to regaining our previous growth figures of around 2 and 3 per cent per annum.
An inordinate amount of publicity and emphasis has been given to the own goal write downs in the financial markets due to the decline in the value of the instruments and derivatives based on inflated property values and over exuberant loan practises.
Companies in other sectors are still producing good results in the current round of reporting and most are cautiously optimistic about this year’s revenue and profit projections.
In conclusion. Although growth has slowed we are still a wee bit away from a full blown recession. The signs to look for are a sharp fall in oil prices, lack of capital investment, increasing unemployment claims, and…..
a drop in Celtic season ticket prices.
‘GG
PS I also believe that the large construction projects underway in the UK will help to prevent a recession there. Many infrastructure projects are in process to renew such things as water supply networks, improve and extend the road networks, build for the Olympics and in general repair and renew the battered Victorian works which were built to cater for the demands of the early 20th century and which are beginning to crumble.
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Wizard
Try livesportontv.com.
Nicked anyone today:o)
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burke replaces hare,
bodies exhumed nil
are lee mccullochs elbows a weapon
if so weres Hans Blix
my goodness is this game driech,no wonder im sittin here making silly posts
3 days till Aiden gets a booking
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Game over
0-0
Absolutely awful fare.
Work will be joyous in the morning. The number of footie supporters will be reduced to 4. Myself, another tim and the two real huns.
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0 - 0 borefest.
One team that didn't look bothered about scoring and one that didn't know how to.
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Nacho Novo for Player of the Year.
Boos welcome the final whistle, just the way I remember Ibrox Euro nights.
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Bloody hell that was an awful match. The Pan strikers were awful. Novo should have scored at least one goal.
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We ur tha peeepple, We ur tha peeepple.
Boooo, Hiisssss, Boooo, Hisss.
hun fan 1 - "let's sing we ur tha peeple" 40 odd thoosand huns crank up "we ur tha peeepple","we ur tha peeepple" etc etc.
hun fan 2 - "what will we sing noo"
hun fan 3 - "what aboot tha sash"
hun fan 1 - "na that might be secterairanian or somit and the wigs at UEFA are watching, in we could be tossed oot".
hun fan 2 - "tha derry walls"
hun fan 1 - "na I thinks the UEFA wigs might funk that suckectraineeian tae".
hun fan 3 - "a know, whit aboot "we ur tha people"
hun fan 1 - "aye thats awericht, a think, cause nabody noes whit that means, and naether dae we." again 40 thoosand crank it up singing the line twice until they get bored.
hun fan 3 - "what song noo?"
hun fan 1 - "we ur the peeepple is a good yin, a don't think we have sung that one tonight".
Fast forward 24 hours.
UEFA delegate - "Iwould like to congratulate Rangers fans on their exceptional behaviour last night during their UEFA cup last 32 tie versus Pana-shamrocks. As a delegate I was happy to hear only one song being sung by the home support tonight. "What does 'We ur tha peeepple' mean. I hope it catches on.
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Rankers halfway to clearing up their fixture congestion problem.
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twelfthman
Can I turn over now? There's a whitewash taking place just now.
They're still claiming Davis is AND I QUOTE "The real deal"
Paul
Surely Novo is a stick on now
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TerryO if you're lurking
Phone Radio Clyde and ask BFDJ as someone who is well aware of the folklore of Rangers, what does "We are the people" mean.
I'd love to hear his answer.
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twelfthman, on Spartak, the perils of having to play European football during your close season when everyone else is midseason.
Mind you, they had played 22 games when suntanned Celtic players arrived in Moscow.
CelticSephiroth, Koki is being given time to adapt, and for the pitches to harden, but they are itching to set him free.
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Paul67
You have mail.
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EDB.... Good evening to you too.
To answer your question...no. As I count the working days till my retirement (less than 360 days), I have found for myself a productive, if slightly less combative post to occupy these days.This leaves me having less of an opportunity to impact favourably upon offender behaviour.
God I love corporate w..kspeak.
On other matters, given that Cousin appeared tonight, surely that means he is there to stay, given that there is no possibility of his transfer having been concluded prior to the closing of the window (ie registration at the English FA). After all, there was nothing to prevent him signing for Fulham - he just couldn't play for them this season.
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Paul
An understandable measure. I'm sure Nakamura-san is giving him the inside track on what to expect.
Marketing opportunity though as several females I have talked to about football put him in the "Stunning" category. :^)
Pink scarves all round!
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Anyone else lookin' forward to Aiden against Broadfoot?
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BBC reporting on the economy slump predictions. Their man in the studio on economics looks like his hair was arranged by the most advanced landscape surveillance operators his company could afford, to quote a great lyric. :^)
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Poor Rankers
Poor on the park
Even poorer off it !
Could they not afford a full sized pitch ?
Surely "ra peepul" can afford a bit more to buy some turf !
They have made wingers/widemen redundant by narrowing the park so much
Wattie still stuck in the 1980s when Souness first came up with that master stroke !
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CelticSephiroth, I hate those ruddy pink tic scarfs. We are gree and white, sometimes add gold or black, but pink and white ruddy hooped scarfs, what the hell is that all about.
End of rant 2.
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Timmy7 at 17:18
You're absolutely right.
I mistranslated 'esperar', which can mean 'to hope' and also, as it should have been in this case 'to expect'.
Very well spotted.
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moonbeams,
Agree 100%. Pink Celtic scarves are an abomination and should be banned. Pink never has been, and hopefully never will be, our colour.
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Has there ever been a dirtier shower than that latest lot of huns? Manky, filthy, sleekit, nasty, horrible shower of anti-footballing n'er do wells.
Did anyone see the one that booted the ball into the away dugout at half time?
Throw the book at them UEFA.
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deeping_celtic -
Surely you forget, that dirty hacker McGeady will not be playing against the glorious loyal 11 cos he will be in the depths of a 6 game suspension for being better than anything that ipox has seen before.
So there
Lycru
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Apparently the cardigan made a bit of history tonight. First time hun hasnt scored in three consecutive euro home games.
Wheres Rev McCurry when you need him?
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Paul67
Who is the lennoxtown mole
have we a spy in the camp
MI6 MI5
GCHQ
Sign george Smiley
Is there a gang of 5
burgis Mclean Blunt etc
Anyone from celtic attend cambridge
Calls for opus dei to investigate
no mad monks
last resort call in the jesuits
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I watched that dreadful show tonight on BBC Scotland and was forced to mute the sound midway through the first half. It was akin to reading the Christian Daily Record.
I rejoined the commentary seconds before the final whistle in time to hear the fan's accolade to their heroes.
What worries me is that they are such a poor team that the dirty tricks campaign is going to be cranked up in the coming weeks.
There is no way that they can play Broadfoot against Aiden. The plot to remove him from the 2nd. Jan. game backfired, but they are on course to have him sidelined for the upcoming one(s).
Anyone fancy starting a sweepstake on what minute Aiden gets his yellow on Saturday.
If the rumoured players meeting took place at CP, then I'm sure that the performances of the refs would be on the agenda.
I believe that there was a considerable improvement in the attitude of the two Scotts in the dissent department.Brown even dragged Aiden away from Thompson.
I also noticed a hardness about the team and prisoners were not being taken.
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Gordon J, i rasie you 100%.
Timmy7, you sound surprised as if you have just had a revelation. THEY HAVE ALWAYS BEEN A DIRTY SHOWER, MANKY, FILTHY, SLEEKIT, NASTY, HORRIBLE SHOWER OF ANTI-FOOTBALLING N'ER DO WELLS. A few exceptions to the rule exist but not many.
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Thom the Tim, what rumoured players meeting. Spill the beans?
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Aiden running at Broadfoot?
Pfft! Give me a run at that no-user! Let Aiden have a wee break for a while.
I wouldn't mind Aiden running at any one of their back 4. They look devoid of quality from back to front.
We shall crush them, doubtless.
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Crime count.
Not sure if this has been posted before, but it makes incredible reading.
Here are the Top 10 as of 11th Feb 2008.
Player Team Y YY R Total
1 Hutton Alan Rangers 7 0 0 7
2 Innes Chris Gretna 7 0 0 7
3 McGeady Aiden Celtic 7 0 0 7
4 Murray Hugh St Mirren 6 1 0 7
5 Wright Frazer Kilmarnock 6 0 1 7
6 Barr Craig Gretna 4 2 0 6
7 Dods Darren Dundee Utd 6 0 0 6
8 McGuire Phillip Inverness 6 0 0 6
9 Miller Lee Aberdeen 6 0 0 6
10 Neilson Robbie Hearts 6 0 0
Nine of the ten names you would pretty much think 'yeh, I can understand that'.
That wee guy at No 3 on the list though, is he a combative midfield player or a dominating, no nonsense defender?
Some selected others and their positions on the thugometer:-
18 Donati Massimo Celtic 5 0 0 5
25 McDonald Scott Celtic 5 0 0 5
33 Brown Scott Celtic 4 0 0 4
Then there are a few of the Rangers contingent, surprisingly low down the list:
38 Cuellar Carlos Rangers 4 0 0 4
46 McCulloch Lee Rangers 3 0 1 4
106 McGregor Allan Rangers 2 0 0 2
122 Adam Charlie Rangers 1 0 0 1
Then a wee look at where the no-nonsense type guys are placed:-
23 Jones Robert Hibs 5 0 0 5
95 Diamond Zander Aberdeen 2 0 0 2
77 Severin Scott Aberdeen 3 0 0 3
49 Tokely Ross Inverness 3 0 1 4
29 Wilkie Lee Dundee Utd 4 1 0 5
50 Berra Christophe Hearts 3 0 0 3
Oh, and I nearly forgot one other player - unplaced of course:-
Ferguson Barry Rangers 0 0 0 0
My oh my, how I am looking forward to things evening themselves out in the remaining 15 SPL games!!!
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Moonbeams Wet Dream, what you say is true. There just seemed to be a petty vindictiveness there tonight that I found genuinely distasteful.
We will need to have steel amongst us when we play them.
Celtic First, you are a gent in your response to my smart a**edness. A Cumbernauld man I believe?
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ParkheadcumSalford
You said:-
"But to opt for the pub in Coatbridge or Croy or the Chateau du Lait?!?"
Leave Castlemilk out of it!
Pubs are still a novelty there.
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Moonbeams
The rangers famously short song list certainly shrunk to an all time low tonight.
I wonder if Edward would list the complete rangers song list.
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Corrupted BBC following on from its phone in votes rigging scandal manipulates the possession % in tonghts game. At one point in the 2nd half while being passed off the park by their green n white opponents the possession was shown as 51-49 in favour of the home side.
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Novo or Boyd?
Three blanks in a row at Ibrox another Euro record for Wattie. The old Euro magic returns to Ibrox!
Entertainment value for the peeepple 0!
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13/02/08 18:32, Blogger The Narrowbhoat Tim
Sir that is the best read I have heard on CQN since I´ve started on here. I´d like to thank you for your eloquent efforts. I thoroughly enjoyed your read and it gives me hope that we will rediscover one day what being a Celtic fan is all about or at the very least not throw it all away for the sake of always maximising profit.Profit does not equal success and it does not guarantee respect. Truly nobody is pulling the wool over your eyes and canamalar thanks for dragging the only remaining doubt that may have lingered about The Narrowbhoat tim at 19:03.
Gentlemen I salue the pair of you and can now retire to bed very happy.
Thank you and keep the faith
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Timmy7, can you imagined how bad they during the 4th meeting between us and the darkness after we have gubbed them in the 2nd and 3rd meetings.
Oh how I wait!!
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You do have question how Boyd doesn't get a game for Rangers considering his outstanding goal scoring record. Obviously he doesn't always perform against the big teams but he still performs better than the likes of Darcheville and Novo. His off field antics must be worse than Riordan's! Also considering Watty and Ally don't mind their players having a few pints and pizzas there must be something strange going on there.
Goal scoring bonus mibbe?
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celtic sephiroth / paul 67
I posted the result of the bounce game from the couple of lines I read in today's herald (it's not on the online version). It suggested Koki played well and listed the scorers but that is all.
I hope you meant "fabled" as in the stuff of future legend rather than suggesting I invented the match from my imagination. :-)
As a famous Irish playwright once wrote " We like to think we endure around truths immemorially posited".
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Does anyone know the figures of the clubs income streams.
I am particulaly interested in the sponsorship streams. We know of the £5m nike deal, but what are the bonuses we have earned?
Carling?
TV?
Merchandise?
Are these all (as a trend) on the up?
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really I review need too posts my before them I publish.
Goodnight fellow hoops.
Celtic 4 - Jam farts 0
Celtic 2 - Barcalona 0
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SFTB
I couldn't find anything on the game and was very interested to hear news on Koki. Delighted to hear about the Hutchison double as well. I've not heard much about him from the insiders in Lennoxtown but people I've spoken to always seem to mention Koki first and are hugely impressed with him.
In particular, a certain Mr Hartley mentioned him when asked how things were looking at Lennoxtown. Paul seemed to back up this view.
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For the record I'm not referring to J.R. Hartley of Yellow Pages fame. :^)
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My dear,dear,dear,friend, GG @ 21.46
I read your remarks, and cannot for the life of me...find anything there, that has not been already reported in the Newsies...
Oh! Oh!
I reduced a considerable large bottle of ink, in advocating...that if you wish to be a successful investor...in which I qualify in spades,diamonds, clubs but nevah in Hearts, and I have the portfolio...to prove it... but, be that as it may or mayn't...
THEN......
You must never pay the slightest heed ,to what one reads in the Financial Press...
Stick to your own ...in my case.....
TRIED AND TRUE ...personal observations.....
that is the only way to be a CONSISTENT AND HIGHLY SUCCESSFUL INVESTOR ,IN THE STOCK MARKET.
One Must always, I say ALWAYS... be a PROACTIVE INVESTOR..
That is the Only way to be ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE BLANKET....
to explain what I mean by that term...
If one SELLS when Everyone is Buying...like I DO/DID...
Then it follows that WHEN THE MARKET STUMBLES and STOCKS TURN SOUR...like just now, in the Banking Sector.... then the man who got OUT early ,at the Top.....
Has the WHEREWITHAL to pick up the RIDICULOUS BARGAINS THAT SUDDENLY ABOUND IN THAT SECTOR...
And here the best part....
He Can now RIDE THAT STOCK, BOUGHT AT THE LOW RIDICULOUS BOTTOM Fishing Price...all the WAY INTO THE BANKING RECOVERY,which will take place starting Next Year!
I see that you are in the camp that believes what they read in the Financial Press.
I also mention...and I shall repeat very strongly..
One must be Always AHEAD of the Crowd....and one can Nevah attain that status, if one practices the tired old ploy of ... Being a
REACTIVE INVESTOR.....
So far,because I am truly... in the full meaning of the woid....
Meaning I sold when others were Buying....
I am now BUYING when others are selling... mainly, in the Banking Sector....which is receiving... as should,would,be expected...Such stories of DOOM AND GLOOM....
Take..... say Barclays...
By BUYING ,when others ARE Panicing and running screaming for the door from any Stock that has the woid "Bank", in it's name...
My investment in Barclays is showing a profit....on average,of 110pence....on every share that I have purchased.... this represents a very nice return...over a period of 6 months!
And in real terms.... I am naturally... very,very,very pleased with my returns.... a similar situation has occured in my other Banking Investments... OVER THE SAME TUMULTUOUS PERIOD...where, in the Banking Sector... wherein, everybody and his niece...is treating it like it was a Leper in a Nudist camp!
I only tell it like I see it... NOT AS THE FINANCIAL PRESS TELLS ME TO SEE IT!
Which is a whole other thing!
The Stock market,is the stomping ground of some of the Finest and most Intelligent Minds, in the Woild.... if one believes what is reported and predicted in the Public Forum...... they only becomes Fodder, for the Intelligent Manipulators,who are busily pulling the woolen joiseys over their eyes ....and queering the pitch.
And that is all she wrote... I hope!
Kojo.
yer pal...who likes ye.
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U2, astounding facts,i cannot believe that is the case!!
They were absolutely terrible tonight, if we lose the league title to the team there really is no excuse.
Selling Hutton and replacing him with Brtoadfoot could well hand us the title! As much as we liked to mock Hutton and as much as he was overpriced, if on his game he and young Aiden would have had a fare old tussle in these league deciders, Aiden will rip that Broadfoot up for toilet paper, FACT!!
As long as the Rev McCurry is not in charge of any decider we will retain the SPL of that i'm sure.
As things look the Ibrox game will come before any Celtic Park fixture, I would happily go into the closing stages 4 points behind knowing we had to play them twice at the holy ground.
A part of me wants them to continue in the uefa to distract them but as soon as the game kicks off your natural instincts take over and hope they get hammered.
HAIL HAIL
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snyde is great tonight, oh how they are hurting, BFDJ is squealing like a pig and is doing his utmost to defend the heirarchy, the first time I've enjoyed the snyde in years.
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Paul,
On Koki the view fa ma windae wasn't too hot. On the training ground the game seemed to pass him by. The stand-out was Cillian Sheridan, I watched them for 45 mins and the big chap can finish.
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Kojo,
The Maryhill Funfer here ! I am hoping that our fellow CQN members realise that your description of me infers that my former footballing skills are akin to those of the peerless Kaiser Franz.
However, for once, even my self delusion does not allow me to hold that thought for too long. Using Funfer as a verb is probably much more appropriate description.
I have enjoyed your Economic discourse in this thread. I was told in my early days in the FX & Money Markets an old Truism. When your Mum or your Gran starts talking to you about how bad the markets are, that my friend is the time to buy. (or conversely when the Markets are so good, time to sell)
you have obviously been told the same rule!
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viewfrom
Are we talking about different games?
The Herald reported a 5:0 win in a bounce game against Dundee with the scorers as Hutchison (2), Riordan (2) and Conroy, therefore Sheridan did not finish anything in that game.
He did score a last minute winner in a competitive youth game in the last few days. I thought that was an U-19 match and Koki would not have played in it. May have been a reserve fixture though. Can anyone confirm?
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SFTB,
Celtic TV said they would have a report on the bounce game tomorrow night.
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Deeping celt, 22:04, I had the exact same thought earlier.
loumacarisbettingslip, :-)
Nothing to do with me.
SFTB, the stuff of legend.
Dobbo, from memory, Carling chip in with £2m p.a. TV income was £16m, most of which was CL money, merchandise was £15m give or take.
Viewfrom, really pleased to see Cillian back.
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sftb
Cillian recently scored a last minute winner against St.Mirren on his comeback appearance.
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My dear friend, Funfer(Alias..Maryhill's No5)
You got that right,babe!
Only I heard the same piece of Financial Advice from Joe Kennedy.
Reporter: Mr. Kennedy, how come you managed to actually, PROFIT, from the stock Market Crash of 1929?
Kennedy: Yes I did. ... Didn't I?
Well, it was pure darn luck!
The week before the Crash.... I happened to having my shoes shined, by my favourite shoe shine lad...when he looked up at me and said...
"Whadya think of General Motors,sir?... I just bought 15 shares of them, to go with my already Bought 17 shares of Ford Motor and my 12 shares of AT and T."
I didn't reply.... I was too busy thinking ,that.... 'Joe... it's Time!"
True story... so, I am told.....
And I Nevah forgot it....eether!
Ye Bettah Believe it!
Kojo.
yer pal... who appreciates havin' yer appreciation!
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paul67,
what is so precious about our internet rights?
we sell the jerseys to the highest bidder, we sell the tv rights and we'd sell the stadium(name) in a heartbeat.
quite right too.
rankers have made many, many mi££ions from the sale of their internet rights.
what have we made from our internet rights in the last 7 yrs?
£100,000?
imho rankers made the correct decision at the time and we didnt.
luckily for us they had a circus showman in charge of the resulting windfall.
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kojo,
hope you never took offence to my good wishes, they are genuine.
As I said I fear the market, it being a strange place to me, but I think tonight some of those little gems you imparted, I will have a wee flutter and see how I'm get on.
would you advise an offshore account.
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On the internet rights issue.
If things keep going the way they are going and internet/tv become integrated services. Surely Celtic's retention of their internet rights will be a massive cash boost at that point.
I suppose it's all ifs and buts but it certainly could be interesting.
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I would just like to add my belated tuppence worth to the admiration shown to the magnificent Aiden in the last couple of days.
We all know how we like to see our bhoys play, and in general we would like that to be a team effort. In my years of support, there has always been an outstanding player that has caught my imagination. One whom I would have gladly gone to see, for just that one piece of magic. That pass, That lay off, that goal or that tackle.
In my Lifetime from Jinky to Kenny. To (dare I say it?) Charlie to Johnny Doyle. From my favourite Lubo to the Man above all who is beyond description Henrik.
Naka as well, but now we truly know that we have someone who is an Artist, An entertainer someone whose gift we can appreciate.
For all the brilliant days, remember on the bad days that this young man has the main ingredient to compete with those in the past.
When he knows he is having a bad day, He still demands the ball. The sign of a truly great player.
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commodities is the place for your well earned shilling
Futures as well I hear
but mines will be on
amerreto rose at 25/1
at cheltnham
from the horses mouth
a mare getting a 7lb allowance
watch it sprint up that chelthnam hill
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Good night bhoys and ghirls :^)
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Mcgrory, we sell sponsorship on the jerseys for a fixed period, we do not sell the rights for someone else to own our jerseys.
Celtic will be around for a v long time, as will the Internet. We are only just starting with this internet thing, its commercial importance will grow.
Celtic retain their internet rights and could sell them at any time, but I sincerely believe that doing so for a few million would be a significantly bad decision.
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Malceye :- From the sounds of it I wish I was watching that game as well :-) Tonights game was very flat especially for a European game but on the bright side we didn't lose a goal.
SFTB :- I agree leave Castlemilk out of it, when I left there there still wasn't a pub which must make us Castlemilk folk the cleanest living folk in Glasgow :-)
Kevtic :- Part of the problem just now is that a lot of folk seem unsure on what it's allowable to sing. Although both your examples are on the allowed list in legal terms.
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Moonbeamswetdream :- I think you will have to keep imagining as there is nothing in your recent record against us to suggest you will manage to scrape a win never mind gub us.
E.U Settingyourselfuprsc
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Greendog"22.58 :- I think you do this site a disservice by posting a rumor like that, bye all means if you have any evidence then let Paul know and give him an exlusive but I have to say I think that all you have is baseless rumor. My own take on why Mr Boyd doesn't play is that it's down to his less than energitic style. If the ball is played to his feet he can be lethal but more is needed from a modern striker.
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Paul
Thanks.
I am confident that we can improve our sponsorship revenue, hopefully be severing our old firm combo deal with “them”. If we can get £5m min per season from Nike, for making the kit (plus spin-off) then I am sure we could get a similar sum for a shirt deal.
Are there any plans for stadium naming rights?
As for TV, I assume this will decrease this season (pending Barca game) due to Rangers involvement in the CL. Hopefully not by too much.
Merchandising, I guess will increase due to the 40th anniversary kit, interesting to see by how much. Shirt for a tenner? Yes please!
I assume the Carling deal is due to be renegociated soon.
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Paul67,
is DD involved with setanta, I think I read somewhere he had a considerable shareholding.
Where is this leading?
We have been questioning where can we generate future income, during yesterdays debate someone suggested bidding for the SPL TV rights, although a bit far fetched I actually think this could be an excellent idea, although we are still a fledgling broadcaster, there is no shortage of expertise for hire, yes the initial set-up expendature would be high but the rewards are great, it is also IMO the type of progressive thinking we should be investigating. Or are there any legal restrictions as to why we cannot attempt such a venture ?
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Edward,
nice to meet you, I understand you have a lot of faith in your team, as you should, but in all honesty, do you believe, after what you watched tonight, that your team will stop celtic winnig the title ??
honestly now.
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The list of Scottish FIFA refs for 2008, as nominated by the SFA Referee Committee, and accepted by FIFA:
Iain Brines
William Collum
Douglas McDonald
Calum Murray
Charlie Richmond
Craig Thomson
What, no McCurry? Not nominated. Is he too old?
Odd one on McCurry
On his page on the SFA site, he lists his career highlight as 'Refereeing CIS Cup Final 2004'. One thing though. He didn't ref the 2004 game, that was Young. He did however ref the 2004-2005 final which took place in 2005, and you guessed it, Rangers won it, beating Motherwell 5-1.
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My dear,dear,friend, Canamalar
I soitenly am not in any shape or form...offended, by anything that you may have said or questioned.
That is what this forum is all about.
I welcome, contention...as you should, as well.
On this particular subject on which we have been discussing..
I am at an extreme advantage.. as I know what I have done...
And I have the very pleasing and satisfying results of my labours, to convince myself....that I was correct in taking the actions,when I did....and in the continuing actions,that I have done.
In the matter of investing in the stock market, as a tyro....
Here is my advice.
You will only KNOW... what you have actually Found Out...by going through the actions, on Your Own!
No amount of study or outside advice, will have the same impact.
I cannot, make any suggestions in regards,as to which stock, in which you may decide to invest.
It is not within my Purview.
I can only say this...
Buy always in bundles of 100 shares.
A share selling ,at say...
400 pence... would be a fair price to start.
Only buy into a very well established company.
Never attempt or even try to attempt, to find another, McDonald's..
In other woids... do not buy any Tips...or Potential greats.
Only buy Super Quality.
This is the PERFECT TIME TO BUY at STOCK!
The BLOOD IS RUNNING IN THE STREETS...
It is actually... THE ONLY TIME, TO BUY!
Remember .....
BUY LOW AND SELL HIGH!
This is the best advice that has ever been given!
And THIS PERIOD IS THE PERIOD in which to do so!
Last piece of advice...but very important.....
Be Patient.... a stock will never go up in a straight line...
Because their are Professional Investors.. who as soon as a stock shows potential to become popular... they shall sell that stock ... SHORT!
There is a method used by these Pros... which is Termed making a Short Sale...
I never ever use it....
However, here is the Basics Mechanics of such....
An investor can borrow from a Broker a Specified number of shares in "A"
It shall cost him.....VIRTUALLY, NOTHING... to do so..
The borrower shall then SELL THE BORROWED SHARES AT THE CURRENT MARKET PRICE... and Pocket the Proceeds...
This will drive down the price of the share, in direct proportion to the number of short sellers of that particular stock......the more shorts... the deeper the share price will fall.
Remember..... the INTRINSIC QUALITY of "A", has little or no bearing on why this stock should fall..... it's price is recflected in the number of sellers v buyers
The hope of the Shorts is this...
That they shall be able to BUY BACK the Borrowed shares that they had SOLD ..at a much LOWER PRICE.
There is a time factor/limit involved in this action.
So far, it looks rather simple... and money can be made, at NO or very little,EXPENSE TO THE SHORT SELLER!
The downside is... that the Borrowed shares can do and often do,do the exact opposite, that the Shorts had expected to occur....
Then the Borrowers are then, what is called.... Caught Short... and they must hurry as fast as they can to BUY THE STOCK BACK, BEFORE IT GOES TO FAR HIGHER IN PRICE, in RESPECT TO WHAT THEY HAD ORIGINALLY SOLD IT.
For the rule is ... The Borrower must RETURN ALL of the BORROWED STOCK,BACK TO THE BROKER LENDER, within a specified time....
Because, Short Sellers in most cases... always Have a MARGIN ACCOUNT... this Short Selling Practice is in the DOMAIN OF TRUE GAMBLERS.
I spent all this ink...to try to explain, why a Good Stock... can fluctuate in price...inexplicably....and usually it DROPS...right after, receiving GOOD NEWS!
There is a well known ploy that is used by speculators...
BUY, ON THE CANNONS..... SELL, ON THE TRUMPETS!
translates as....
BUY, ON BAD NEWS( Like we are doing)
SELL, ON GOOD NEWS( Like we have done)
So do not be disheartended, if your stock takes a sudden DOWN TURN...after GOOD NEWS, the exact opposite as to what one would expect... it is just part and parcel of the GAME!
And it is A GAME!...no ifs or buts!
But it can oan be a very exciting and Profitable pastime.
Now it is up to you,pal
I cannot help you, you must stand on your own choice.....
Last piece of advice...
If you buy at this time and pick a good well established stock...which sports a fine track record for years back ....
Your Stock will increase in Value... there is no doubt.....
BUT YOU MUST BE PATIENT,,, there are no FAST BUCKS to be HAD...if there were, then don't look now, but you are in danger of Speculating...a no , no...
Good Evening.
Kojo.
yer pal.....who likes ye.
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Canamalar :- A big hello to you as well :-)
There are two answers to your question, the heart votes for yes, no problem, always yes, as you have said that's the view a fan should have.
Thinking with the head I'm not as confident as I was before the transfer window, the week before it started I was feeling confident, we had a good cushion in points, were playing not bad and winning, your own team was also winning but stumbling to some of the wins. The past couple of games a lot of your olayers all sem to be not only improving in form but hitting it as a team, this worries me more than your recent scores. Although I see both teams dropping points over the rst of the season I think points dropped to each other could be crucial. If Celtic win then they will be within apoint (assuming other games go as expected) if this is on the back of a run of good form with good play then it could be a springboard. If Rangers win then I think the gap in points will have an effect on the morale of the Celtic team and keep momentum going. Right now I think it's back in the getting to close to call area but can't help but feel the points in hand tip it in our favour.
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Tenuous football news story:
Angus Loughran, better known as 'Statto' from Fantasy Football on TV has been declared bankrupt.
Even more tenuous is The Sun's headline: Telly's Statto is left broko
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Rangers fans last night 'provided with free hooters to 'enhance Ibrox's funereal atmosphere' according to Broad of Foot in tomorrow's Herald, who describes it as 'akin to introducing cheerleaders to the World Chess Championships'.
Well they were playing Pawnathanaikos. Goodnight from me.
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And they are 'rook'-ed
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'GG.
No snow day for me alas... Still a week off coming up. The mrs wants to fly down to sun in someplace called Sarasota....But there is no CSC there...I checked... I am working out a good reason to stay near the Parlour....I do believe the sun may shine brightly in Paradise next week....more economical than saratosa too...And talking of economics...
WARNING: ECONOMY POST
My expensive friend Kojo...
Yes I agreed with you...But only to a point I am afraid.
As 'GG will testify I have been banging the drum of economic pessissism for some time...As long in fact as I have been banging the optimistic drum for the Gaffer... Mr Strachan.
I agree with your logic in dealing with the market...All things being equal... but IMO we live in very different times now... I have friends working on Wall St who are as confused and AGOG at their stats as McCurry observers are with theirs.
Yes Fannie Mae has nearly $3 trillion mortgages guaranteed, but only $34 billion in capital reserves....Nae problem...? MAEbe...But for me the sub-prime fiasco is only the tip of the iceberg.
Some of the market bond insurers are unable to cover their losses....
The five main ones may have their AAA status cut by Fitch 'regardless of their capital levels'.....
One element among many leading to 'a tipping point'...
(I loved Gladwells book till everyone started using that phrase everywhere)
Deregulation (read fraud) and the Feds credit expansion has faciltated a pyramid of products claiming AAA status...That they (or the investor) did not deserve. Adam Smiths body spins once again....
"Banks" have been at the forefront of reaping the harvest of this modern madness called 'financial restructuring'..... And now they are scrambling for bail outs from Uncle Sam...Some will get it...Others will not...Without a doubt there is a scramble behind the Wizards Curtain..
On a final point...Read between the lines of this...
I know you are a man who likes to read between the lines...
On January 14th the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation posted (amended) rules on its website for reimbursing depositors in the event of a bank failure... You know what 'amended' means right? Course you do...
The chairman of this agency said there were 65 banking institutions on its ''problem list'...but of course the agency is not naming them...
Hmmmmm.... Adam Smith .... Free Market...?
In addition....Some states are smart enough to fight their wars in ways other than militarily.......
Many reputable economists (from left and right) are HIGHLY concerned...But their concerns are not being 'amplified' in the media...
I hope you are right and I am wrang.....
I really truly do.
Aplogies to Fitba fans..
But remember...
CQN is all about the elusive financial context...
Roll On The Future....
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Apologies to all but this should be resolved. Scroll on by is an easy option.
Sean South:
Sorry for the delay in getting back to you. I was waiting for a more appropriate time.
Thank you for your warning of the perils of defamation. I really don’t think it was necessary though. In reciprocation of your consideration of my rights in law, I would just refer your good self to the terms and conditions of copyright extended to Reuters and AP articles.
I’m not going to spit the dummy over being called a liar… even though I am not. It’s just principal that motivates this post. I think it is beyond the normal parameters of gentlemanly debate, that you so easily invoke when it suits, to unequivocally accuse another poster of being a liar. And a malicious one at that.
Paul and CQN can sleep soundly in his bed tonight without fear of retribution from the likes of me. No wily wigs waving writs on my behalf. However…
To refresh your memory Sean South:
At 08.50 29/01/08 I replied to a post from Nelsbhoy.
Sean south posted this at 29/01/08 16:06, Sean South’s response to my post to Nelsbhoy.
In that post you wrote the following:
“But your post at 8.50 today makes a number of false claims in which you seek to present opinion as fact.
Some of these claims go way beyond the normal parameters of debate and are both offensive and damaging.”
You followed that up with 29/01/08 19:11, A reply to a post by Deliasmith.
In that post you wrote
” I am simply hoping that Kitalba will keep any further criticisms of me within the parameters of gentlemanly debate.... and not continue to attempt to stain my reputations with a mixture of half truths and lies.
I certainly will not sit back and do nothing if Kitalba continues this campaign of vilification and malicious lies.”
And
” I don't want to see the banter or cut and thrust taken away from CQN, but I think people like Kitalba have to be more responsible with their use of language and stop turning personal opinions into spurious "facts."
If you would be so kind as to re-read the allegedly offending post and direct me to which parts of that post that you would construe false, malicious or just lies, then I will do my best to redress any wrong that I may have done you.
If I have wronged you, with my words, I will offer you an unreserved apology; which I will also extend to all the posters of CQN for wasting their time. I’ll take my sorry ass elsewhere and not darken your moniker again. But…
Bearing in mind, that I believe, I can justify each and every word from that post… using your very own posts… to do so.
So Sean South, for the sake of brevity, answer me this one simple question… which part, if any, of that offending post, is a lie? Or do you wish to retract the word lie now… before I BEGIN.
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Kojo and PJ
First the good news:
1) There is a CSC in Tampa about an hour from Sarasota.
2) Markets have enjoyed a couple of days in positive territory.
3) Pitchers and catchers report to Spring Training this week and next.
I differentiate between the investment market and the overall economic outlook.
I am not too concerned about the current temprary malaise on Wall Street as I am in for the long haul, and as you know long term market trends are historically good.
As I said earlier the financial sector is getting all the attention at the moment because it's a big story and one of woe and wonder. As Kojo and Collie have hinted in the past, good news does not sell advertising space or fill column inches.
As an investor, and an inexperienced one at that, I limit myself to funds and only buy individual stocks in my employer, mainly because I get a healthy discount on the most favourable price in a six month window. I also limit that to a small percentage of my overall portfolio.
Just as I am an optimistic Celtic supporter, I am equally optimistic about the economy.
'GG glad the Greeks in Green thwarted the Gers.
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PJ
Apologies as I should have added.
Tampa Bay CSC
'GG
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With apologies to SFTB and Eu, and all the enforced dry denizens of Castlemilk, maybe my rant should have read Carmunock?
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Well done to Hugh McDonald of the herald for making me laugh this morning.
On Nacho Novo last night
"This was exemplified in the the first half when a perverse form of arithmetic dictated that three chances multiplied by Nacho Novo equalled zero."
best line from old media for a while!
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Dobbo, the Carling deal runs until 2010, but even then there is no chance sponsorship will be worth £5m per season.
We need the Setanta channels to gain real ground in England, including their news channel, to improve exposure for the highlights package beyond the small Scottish base. When the SPL lost Sky it lost a lot of the shirt sponsorship value.
Canamalar, I have never heard of any connection between DD and Setanta, and I expect I would have if such a connection existed.
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Cheers kojo,
I find in most things its we learn best from our own mistakes, but words to the wise help the wise.
Your advice is very welcome and will be used.
On another topic, I was lisening to the radio this morning, (I'm in manchester), I was a bit surprise when a bolton rep, was interviewed about their pricing policy for tonights UEFA cup game with athletico madrid ticket prices as follows £10 general public, £5 season ticket holders £1 children and consession.
They also refused a TV deal for two reasons, a full stadium of supporters to back the team and the TV company wanted to change the kick-off time.
For me this is a refreshing tac by an EPL team and I hope especially on the pricing policy our board see potential in looking at the merits of such a move for games such as early rounds of the CIS and even the scottish cup.
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Paul67 thanks for the share info yesterday.
I was wondering where you are coming from from re internet rights. You pointed out that Celtic are making very little from the Channel67 venture however you also think Celtic should not be selling these rights. Do you think that Celtic are going to be able to make alot more money in the future or is it more of a hope and therefore you hope they don't sell the rights because no one can tell what might happen?
On another issue how much will Celtic make for reaching the last 16 of the CL? A quick gate receipt calculation would give close on 2 to 2.4 million on gate receipts alone. Add on programmes, catering, stadium tours and sales in the Celtic / Nike shop we should be pretty happy with all in our little world!
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Paul67,
Have you done a comparison of the value of our stadium/surrounding land and Lennoxtown in comparison to Ibrox & Mooonbeams park? I seem to remember them having a £120m balance sheet valuation of these assets.
I see a contract is signed and work is starting on the M74 extension in May to be ready in 2011. This and the other planned works around the stadium will help our club and improve the match day experience. It will also help increase the value of our assets.
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I didn't see any of the' football' on offer from G51 last night- listening to RadioClyde was bad enough.
However, I did find the 'Attila the Hun' rockumentary on BBC Wales. The opening seige was reminiscent of a Border TV version of' The Battle of the Pelennor Fields' from LOTR III, and much of it suggested that the late Roman Empie was being scourged by a bunch of roadies from the Allman Brothers Band, circa 1971.
On balance a much better televisual feast than seeing Weirdini and his mates bashing the ball into the Govan stand.
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Penalty for.., future TV business models will be undermined by Internet business models, which I believe will become ever more pervasive.
The next TV will probably not see much change, but soon high quality live content will be broadcast into living rooms all over the world, including the local market.
Celtic will be able to exploit this when appropriate; do you remember the Valencia away game in 2001?
Celtic broadcast this live on the internet. Uefa Cup rights reside with the home team, Celtic bought the game. In future they will be able to reciprocate with other clubs and sell the away game without the need for a broadcast partner.
The Barca game will be the highest grossing game in Celtic’s history and will be worth > £3m gross.
Remember, when calculating ticket and merchandise revenues, deduct vat.
McManus69, it sure will. Rangers property holdings are on the books at £139m, Celtic’s, pre Lennoxtown was circa £48m. After Lennoxtown I expect this to rise to circa £65m.
Rangers would have become insolvent three years ago without that property revaluation.
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DBBIA,
Is this Attila's stock low or high. My granny doesn't know.
Chris
onStockMarketQuickNews
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Sub- this is a guy who will have composed numerous haikus on the subject of Hoopslegend Adam Virgo, but none on Duffield-must-score.
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might already have been done but anyway
the deloitte report link
Deloitte report
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Paul67,
Thanks. Do you think their property holdings valuation is a significant reason for their owner not finding a buyer willing to pay the rumoured £40m asking price? Funny how there is a limited debate in the media as to why he has not found a buyer!
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You confirm what I and I'm sure many have long suspected, that the rabbit-from-a-hat Enronesque property re-evaluation shenanigans saved Rangers then.
Here's what I, a non finance person, don't get though.
They did that because they were totally rooked. But just saying their property had a book value of £139 million did not mean it was worth that and therefore added no REAL value to them as an entity.
Therefore they must still be totally rooked and the real picture has not changed.
And so to the question on every non finance person's mind: how do they get away with it?
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Attila:
"Inspired by the spirit and the Do It Yourself ethos of punk rock, and above all by The Clash and their overtly radical, political stance."
"...P.A. Announcer and Poet In Residence at my local football club, Brighton & Hove Albion."
I don't know about haikus but Duffield will have almost, nearly but not quite the finest and most fitting of epitaphs.
Who could Celtic's poet in residence be?
Richard Jobson?
Chris
notWorkingForTheYankeeDollarCSC
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Celtic First, is it something to with the old saying along the lines of ‘owe the bank £1 million and you are worried. Owe the bank £700 million (for example) and they are worried?’
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McManus69, the property valuation is part of an intricate matrix of reasons why MIH will need to realise a high price for Rangers before they will want to sell.
You are correct, a prospective buyer may well say, “It’s not worth that, so I’m not paying that.”
Celtic First, indeed.
I was following their finances here at that time and knew they were heading for insolvency. When the accounts were announced, we discovered that DM Hall had re-valued their property assets.
This, of course, is subjective; a property is only worth what is will realise at sale, but the surveyors report was enough for Rangers auditors to add to their balance sheet and keep them solvent.
This was a huge financial story at the time and was only reported here, not a single whisper from the old media.
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Caught the last part of 'Atilla the Hun' last night lo and behold he had a Scottish accent, he looked like a hairier version of a combination of Mark Hately and 'The Beast' Sounness but he was not as nasty them two.
I almost got to see 'Atilla the Stockbroker' once, he was to open up for John Otway but he cancelled. Here are the two geniuses together.
John Otway/Attila the Stockbroker - Headbutts
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Paul
When it hits, it will hit them all the harder for trying to pretend there was no problem.
And the Scottish media will be complicit.
What a huge scandal.
Inkybhoy, what say you?
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If we're one of the twenty richest clubs in the world, then why do we get told we can't compete with clubs outside the top 20 ie bottom-half EPL and Championship clubs in the transfer market.
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Regarding the revaluation of Ibrox I recall a brilliant article on ,I think etims, which gave an excoriating review of the whole thing.
It must , imo , have been written by a surveyor given the technical bits of it.
You dont happen to recall that / have a link to it.
I know its obvious but there's never a truer word said than that something is only worth what someone prepared to pay for it and you can of course have all the valuations you like but if the market wont bear the price you want youre unlikely to be able to change that.
That , given the vagaries of such a specialist property market and the fact that almost any commercial property will have debt secured on it, means that the actual net worth of a heritable asset can fluctuate enormously and any snapshot valuation is as good as meaningless within weeks/ months of being carried out.
The only question worth asking is what is left once a willing buyer has paid the current market price and the seller has cleared all the debt , including any debt to the secured creditor which is not ostensibly linked to the property but is covered by the "all sums due " nature of most securites/ charges
TLWIO
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Du the Husker,
It is a use of lazy language to equate 'Richness' with 'Turnover'.
We have the seventeenth highest 'turnover'. We are NOT the 17th 'richest' club, in fact if you look at the table, we may even be higher than that.
For instance how many of the clubs above us have a far higher level of debt!
But there again how many have guaranteed greater income to service that debt.
Murky waters indeed but always worthwhile just to toss a few dods of keech down Govan way.
Hail hail
Estadio
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The Long Wait Is Over
ETIMS article on Stadium re-valuation
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new article posted.
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I see the premieship is investigate the january transfer windowdealings,with sir John stevens again the man in charge,is muttons and cousin likely to be subjected to scrutiny
