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Wednesday, February 13, 2008
Celtic back at the Deloitte financial top table

After a year in financial purgatory atoning for the sins of Bratislava, Celtic returned to the Deloitte Football Rich List last season at no. 17 with a turnover of €111.8m (£76.6m).

As you would expect, Celtic (Champions of the Small Nations) are the only club outside the leagues serving the large populations of Spain, England, Italy, Germany and France to feature on the list of 20 clubs.

Real Madrid lead the pack with €351m, followed by Manchester United on €315m.

Juventus, who spent a year playing lower division football and without European competition featured at no. 12 on the list (down from 3rd), with €145.2m turnover.

Above Juventus, the list is the exclusive domain of Spanish, Italian and English clubs apart from 7th placed Bayern Munich (€227m), which indicates that a gap in resources exists for French and German clubs also.

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233 Comments:
  • At 13/02/08 16:20, Blogger Panda Hands said…

    2 in a row??

     
  • At 13/02/08 16:20, Blogger Panda Hands said…

    2 in a row??

     
  • At 13/02/08 16:21, Blogger legal_man said…

    But we conceded an away goal at the weekend! Sack the board.

     
  • At 13/02/08 16:21, Blogger Panda Hands said…

    Yeeeee haaaaaa

    Not only do I get my first 1st, I've now done the double ;-)

     
  • At 13/02/08 16:22, Blogger Parkheadcumsalford said…

    Must hand it to our money men. Still, we have that conundrum about how we raise our finance without losing our support....Hmmm. Is that the $64,000 question?

     
  • At 13/02/08 16:43, Blogger Celtic_First said…

    Barcelona injury update

    Carles Puyol is recovering faster than Barcelona hoped from an injury to a muscle in his side on 31 January.

    Immediate reports at the time suggested he might miss both games against Celtic, but he's stepping up his recovery and may even feature on Saturday against Zaragoza. It seems he's almost certain to play at Celtic Park.

    Samuel Eto'o still hasn't made it back from the African Cup of Nations. The Cameroon squad had an official reception with the country's prime minister on Monday, but no one seems to know what the bould Samuel has been up to since then.

    He should make it back to Catalonia tomorrow and the Barcelona medical team will assess then how fit he is. They've said they probably would have wanted him to rest this weekend anyway, so Celtic Park will be the soonest he will play again. At this stage, there's no way of knowing how fit he will be.

    Let's see if they just read that out on the STV news again.

     
  • At 13/02/08 16:45, Blogger Celtic_First said…

    If we should knock out Barcelona, Frank Rijkaard will probably not survive, unless they make up some ground in the league in the meantime.

    Arsene Wenger is the man they all want to replace him.

     
  • At 13/02/08 16:45, Blogger Mort said…

    Deloitte Football Money League 2008 (clubs ranked by 2006/07 revenues, excluding player sales, in euros. Previous year's position in brackets):

    1 (1) Real Madrid £261m
    2 (4) Manchester United £234m
    3 (2) Barcelona £216m
    4 (6) Chelsea £211m
    5 (9) Arsenal £196m
    6 (5) AC Milan £169m
    7 (8) Bayern Munich £166m
    8 (10) Liverpool £150m
    9 (7) Inter Milan £145m
    10 (12) Roma £117m
    11 (15) Tottenham Hotspur £114m
    12 (3) Juventus £108m
    13 (11) Lyon £105m
    14 (13) Newcastle United £96m
    15 (16) Hamburg SV £90m
    16 (14) Schalke 04 £85m
    17 (-) Celtic £83m
    18 (-) Valencia £80m
    19 (-) Marseille £74m
    20 (-) Werder Bremen £72m

     
  • At 13/02/08 16:47, Blogger Viewfromthewindae said…

    Is this going to be our final top 20 twenty appearance, with the likes of Reading and Bolton overtaking us next year. What a pull for world football, Bolton Vrs Reading in L.A....... Crowd 200 earnings $5m

     
  • At 13/02/08 16:47, Blogger Cadizzy said…

    From previous post

    Estadio, not if you play half time first to 54 goals and full time first to 107.

    The counting is fine, just not au fait with Glaswegian playground football etiquette. In Greenock, it was always the same number in each half so nobody got the advantage of playing downhill (local byelaws dictated that all school and wasteground pitches had to be on a slope?

     
  • At 13/02/08 16:47, Blogger hoopsIdiditagain said…

    Can you show the bottom of the table so that we can see what position Rangers finished.

     
  • At 13/02/08 16:49, Blogger pablophanque said…

    Seeing as the blog seems to be on a wee bit of a downer these last couple of days, I'll guarantee you wont get fed-up watching this wee beauty.................EVER !!!!!

    Courtesy of Celticminded.com

    Why I love my club

    pablophanque

     
  • At 13/02/08 16:54, Blogger dontbrattbackinanger said…

    Where do the plucky cash-strapped Southsiders feature on the list? Does their absence from the top20 mean this news won't make it onto the back pages up here?


    What's the problem with Everton? They consistently finish higher in the EPL than TH and the Mags. Are they not taking in enough money through the gate?

    Subt/Cad- I can see a possibility of a jumpers for goalposts/25 halftime 50 the winner/backie goalie kind of game for the non-golfers heading to Aberdour.
    I shall bring a bottle of iodine in case anyone skins their knees.

     
  • At 13/02/08 16:58, Blogger mikeythebhoy said…

    Someone needs to challenge the validity of the "national structure" of football in Europe otherwise teams from smaller nations (like ourselves)will disappear off the radar.

    As I've suggested on this forum before teams like Celtic, Ajax etc who can't take UEFA to court themselves, should be encouraging someone else to do a Bosman for them.

    The restrictions imposed by UEFA are a breach of European Union freedom of trade legislation and they are strangling the life out of larger Scottish, Dutch and Belgian teams.

     
  • At 13/02/08 16:59, Blogger dontbrattbackinanger said…

    Pablo- the Blogs on a downer? More of a pawscrape than a shaft, amigo.

    Anyways, here's the real Nostalgia FC

     
  • At 13/02/08 17:00, Blogger TrueTim said…

    With CL tickets up to £50 from £35 last year then we shoud really pat Celtic on the back.

    Pricing life long fans out of the biggest game of the calender year is nothing to be proud of.

     
  • At 13/02/08 17:00, Blogger barcabhoy said…

    i am shocked at chelsea's numbers...and more than a little suspicious about them....for a club with a small fanbase to achieve virtually the same turnover as barca and be within 10% of manchester utd is staggering..what would be interesting is to see a league table with the top 20 clubs available gross profit...calculated before wages and other operating costs are deducted....i suspect we would be much further down the table than 20th, which shows that the only thing that really counts is the size of the television contract, as it has no cost attached to the monies received.....the club are doing a good job of maximising revenues under the circumstances...it does underline however that controlling our own revenues from tv or more pertinently internet broadcasting in future is the key to further growth....the time is not far off when your tv screen will double as your internet access screen.....the technology is already in place to allow high quality broadband streamed to a 50 inch plasm or lcd.....once we have high quality worldwide access via internet broadcasting then the potential grows significantly....

    i am assuming we still own our internet broadcast rights....unlike rangers , who sold them many moons ago

     
  • At 13/02/08 17:04, Blogger Cadizzy said…

    The Deloitte website is saying that the list is being published tomorrow ,the 14th (which reminds me of something I need to do!). They say that you can register to receive a free text as soon as it is available but obviously the different parts of the press room don't talk to each other since it has already been released. I can't find anything about Rangers' position since the list only goes as far down as Morton.

     
  • At 13/02/08 17:09, Blogger Dobbo said…

    Barca Bhoy

    London clubs figures will always be slightly distorted due to "london prices" which come into play. I presume this is similar in other large cities such as Milan and Madrid.


    For Celtic to be up there is a significant acievement - although i suspect we will slip off next year as the EPL TVdeal comes into play.

    Challenging the national league structure will happen soon, how remains to be seen. The EPL plan to go global just may be the catylst. If one league can go global, then why have national leagues anyway?

    I think that club like Celtic, Rangers, Ajax, PSV, Benfica, Porto should look to play in their own league, which in time would be far more marketable than the EPL. Not as a substitute to the SPL/CL, but alongside it. (rather like the scandanavian "royal" league).

    This movement is happening in cricket right now with the Indian Premier League challenging the ICC as dominant force in world cricket. THe only reason the IPL can do this is money, which i suspect will be the common denominator in all sports, football included.

     
  • At 13/02/08 17:10, Blogger gerry said…

    TrueTim @ 17.00

    Who's paying £50 and what part of the ground is the ticket for?

    I'm North Stand Lower, block 103 and I'm paying £38 (up £3.00 from last year)

     
  • At 13/02/08 17:11, Blogger bazzabhoy said…

    TrueTime - Where do you sit? £50is a rip off, specially considering I have a great seat (bar the moaning bar stewards that sit round about) and its only (only !?!?!) £36.

    Talking about money, does anyone know how much it would cost to buy a decent 29 seater bus?

     
  • At 13/02/08 17:13, Blogger setting free the bears said…

    The Herald reports that a Celtic XI beat Dundee 5:0 in a bounce match at Lennoxtown.

    2 goals each for Hutchison and Riordan and one for Conroy. Koki played too.

    Paul67,

    On short termism, I was dismayed to see Crewe fans calling not just for the sacking of the current coach, Steve Holland, but also for their legendary Director of Football, Dario Gradi, on the BBC 606 site. They also are asking "Where has all the money gone?", because Crewe have sold a lot of players over the years and the current crop is not very good. I guess some fans will never accept the realities of running a football operation within your means.

    Short termism also shown in the sacking of Ian Dowie and the pressure on Scots Rugby coach just now.

    Yet, occasionally, as with the sacking of Jol and the replacement by Ramos, you can get it right by accident almost.

     
  • At 13/02/08 17:17, Blogger setting free the bears said…

    On Barca prices, I noted that their was some negative coverage of the costs (£91 ??) being charged to exec. club (?) members.

    See, even the rich complain about being ripped off.

    Leona Helmsley csc

     
  • At 13/02/08 17:18, Blogger Timmy7 said…

    Celtic First, you said, 'Carles Puyol is recovering faster than Barcelona hoped from an injury to a muscle in his side on 31 January.'

    Did they want him to recover more slowly and miss the game like? :)

     
  • At 13/02/08 17:23, Blogger Cadizzy said…

    SFTB re Dowie, the official reason cited was the significant differences of opinion between the management team and the Board as to how the club should be going forward. Though the fact that it clearly wasn't going forward at all, may have played a part. I remember he did a great job with Palace in taking them from relegation fodder to success in the play offs in a matter of months.
    Someone who can do that must have something going for him and less than a year in the job at a club that was struggling when he took over does not seem a fair crack of the whip

     
  • At 13/02/08 17:25, Blogger Estadio said…

    Chris/Subterranean

    From previous

    I know, encourage and respect the fact that change is a necessary thing for all systems, lifestyles and even organisms to develop and survive. Its the founding principle as Wallace and Darwin so effectively theorised after all.

    Undoubtedly many many changes over the years and many occurring nowadays will prove to be both essential and beneficial to the game and club we follow.

    But many changes are also detrimental and to equate change with progress is a dangerous mirage.

    And as Wallace and Darwin would almost certainly highlight, many adaptations lead to extinction.

    The game itself is simple with its 17 laws and at the grass roots has changed little.

    However the conditions, equipment, skills, fitness and culture have undoubtedly changed for the better and no-one would want to revert to the days of the mouldmaster, black-ash, neck-high tackling or medicine ball headers.

    Substitutions, showers, decent pay, intelligent coaching and ground safety and facilities are a million times (I exaggerate for emphasis) better.

    The concept of a European league is undoubtedly on the agenda and I would love to see Celtic in that vanguard.

    But beware the pitfalls as well.

    I don't know about you but I have worked and travelled in many places, and continental sports tend to have predominently 'home' based support.

    We are bad enough in this small country, but see the NFL or basketball, or baseball in the States and Canada.

    Atmosphere? Rivalry? Sorry not very often and not for me.

    The game is changing but at the moment in my opinion, not EVOLVING.

    It is being driven by the need for TV and Administrative authorities to make money, not by the preservation and encouragement of the characteristics that made it thrive.

    That one factor will see the game changing out of all recognition and while it may attract a new following in a different environment.

    I don't have a problem with those who are happy to see that happening. They are entitled to their opinion; but I see little wrong in suggesting that there is an alternative that would see something far more familiar, far more inclusive and far more exciting.

    I would prefer to see it progressing by building on the strong foundations of some of the past and present and discarding those bits also from the past and present that are unstable and threatening.

    That needs a wider forum for discussion than any of the current administrative bodies and even I hasten to add, CQN.

    It MUST involve the fans. The task is for some champion to materialise who can pull this world-wide rag-tag and bob-tail diaspora of disparate opinion and mould it into a coherent force and voice for the good of the game.

    Failing that the danger is that the voices of the lugubrious 'wheel-oilers' will eventually see their bank balances rocket sky-high with our money while they ensure that we are served up with a disinfected offering of predictable emptiness. But hey, the advertisers are happy, the TV companies are happy, and we are all getting fat watching games in some far flung corner of the universe between teams that stand for nothing, represent no-one, and identify with no more than the bottom line on their pay-docket.

    Yes that's it a pseudo reflection of American football, without the saving grace of the 'liberal' and egalitarian recruitment system.

    So if you wish to ignore the danger that arises from an already discredited and penalised FIFA supported by a quiescent and supportive UEFA, and capitalised upon by carpet-baggers from across the pond then fine.

    A major change to that outdated and archaic structure would be the best thing that could happen to the game.

    Perhaps a simple change, usually the best way, where the representatives are elected by a much wider electorate and appointments are not carried out as 'grace and favour' back-handers.

    Real ideas for change could flow, real proposals for creativity, imaginative concepts for competition and fairness.

    Now THAT would be progress


    Hail Hail

    Estadio

     
  • At 13/02/08 17:31, Blogger TrueTim said…

    I sit in the old stand in line with the 18 yard line (hence my frustration with Gary Caldwell).

    £35 each for 4 tickets for my brothers and sister last year to Milan I can handle but when they want £200 for the same tickets then you need to draw a line.

    I won't be buying any Celtic merchandise again either.

     
  • At 13/02/08 17:33, Blogger TrueTim said…

    The sad thing is that when I explain this to people they offer me £50 to go back and get the tickets for them.

    Celtic will win this one but the manner in which they are doing so leaves a lot to be desired.

     
  • At 13/02/08 17:36, Blogger Estadio said…

    Cadizzy,

    Posted on last thread by mistake (but glad you reminded me of the date)

    If we played to 54 half time, then the rule was that we could in theory get to 54 all before the deciding goal. Hence my view that 109th had to the final goal although the winner was 55.

    Must admit 25 half time/51 winner used be the most we ever played on the streets before it got too dark to see the ball (usually discarded tennis ball- no white luxury plastic fur us).

    hail hail

    Estadio

     
  • At 13/02/08 17:42, Blogger Estadio said…

    TrueTim

    I'm half way between 18 yard box and half way line, north stand, block 103 row P. Great view and my ticket is £37. I believe that for Non-STHs it should be £43.

    How is the £50 calculated?

    I don't see how this £50 is calculated.

    I thought the highest STH ticket (non exec) was £38.

    Hail hail

    Estadio

    ps. Off for a quick drink now wae my new found Greek cousins!

     
  • At 13/02/08 17:46, Blogger Paul67 said…

    Viewfromthewindae, you would not bet against it.

    DBBIA, it’s a brief list, not something phone book sized. Rangers do not appear.

    mikeythebhoy, agree 100%

    Cadizzy, “Morton”, :-)

    SFTB, I took an interest in Crewe many years ago as a result of Dario Gradi’s success.

    It will not surprise you that he was far from universally appreciated among the Crewe support, many of whom I knew (used to do business in that area) thought him tactically naive and a weight around the club’s neck.

    Of course they were not going to replace him with someone as good; they had the best man for the club, but he retired.

    Dario Gradi is not the yardstick with which to measure subsequent Crewe managers.

    I remember saying much the same about us in 2005.

     
  • At 13/02/08 17:47, Blogger setting free the bears said…

    Estadio

    5:11 and 10:21 were certainly the standard arrangements in Castlemilk. I can't actually recall dealing in larger numbers (insert your own joke there).

    However, I recall the variants of 2:5 and 3:7 being agreed if your maw called you in for tea. I don't think I ever agreed to 3:7 if it was ma maw doing the calling.

    In those days when you called Childline, they sent a Social Worker round to skelp ye for cheeking yir maw.

     
  • At 13/02/08 17:52, Blogger Marty_The_Maestro said…

    @Cadizzy:

    Morton still run at a profit don't they?

     
  • At 13/02/08 17:54, Blogger Luca Brassi said…

    Estadio,Cadizzy
    We used to play ten twentyone'rs. With rushies (any man save)

     
  • At 13/02/08 17:59, Blogger Marty_The_Maestro said…

    Luca Brassi,

    I think "rushies" were known as "nearies" down Port Glasgow way.

     
  • At 13/02/08 18:02, Blogger Subterranean said…

    Estadio,

    I largely agree with you. My nostalgic posts were hopefully humorous. ;-)

    It is precisely because Celtic has a universal appeal and identity that I think we should be aiming for the top competitive tier, whatever that pans out to be.

    Yes, hopefully we can contribute to and help shape the future structure of professional competitive football.

    My main concern is that we get left behind in a global sense by having to compete within the confines of Scottish football with its limited finance.

    Beating our current main rivals is well and good. But I hope to see us playing and beating AC Milan, Juventus, Real Madrid, Barcelona, Man United, Arsenal, Liverpoool, Bayern Munich, Ajax, Benfica etc on a regular basis.

    I dread that football becomes the equivalent of the NFL franchise system.

    Chris

     
  • At 13/02/08 18:19, Blogger Subterranean said…

    In North Ayrshire 5 - 11 and 10 - 21 games were common but risked ending too quickly...or going on forever.

    Typical school playground football games either lasted all day or all week. Most goals the winner.

    I remember my P4 team shipping around 50 goals without reply to a triumphant P7 team lead by Roy Aitken.

    Chris
    scarredByTheBearCSC

     
  • At 13/02/08 18:32, Blogger The Narrowbhoat Tim said…

    Paul

    From your previous article 'Short-term populism is the curse of football'. Short-term populism maybe a curse but it is an integral part of the beautiful game.

    The emotional pull of a football club turn sane sensible citizens into irrational beings, that is why we love it so much. It is the human frailities of football that attracts us, whether it is the from the MIB being bias or the player that makes the mistake that causes a goal. We lash out collectively against it, when we are a goal down, we scream for this player to come off, this player to come on, the manager does not know what he is doing. We all hear ourselves shouting out at players what you would never saying to someone in any other walk of life.

    Take away the emotions and the irrational thinking of the support in football and you are just left with any other product. The last few days on this site there has been quite a few discussions about empty seats at Parkheid, we have heard everything from the oncoming economic disasters that will cripple this country to the lack of quality from the visiting teams to blame. I am sure there are a variety of reasons why there are empty seats. In my opinion part of the blame can be laid down at the sanitisation and the corporatism of the beautiful game. We are no longer a supporter of a club we are a customer, a client. Big business is severing the emotional umbilical cord that attaches the supporter to the club they love.

    Every year our traditions get trample on, we are as far away from Brother Walfrids idea of Celtic as we are physically away from the moon. Maybe supporters are turning away because they have begun not to recognize the Celtic they grew up with, that their love of the club which was handed down to them from generation to generation which they had an affinity to is changing.

    Short-term populism is part and parcel of being a supporter of a club like Celtic, it might not make great business sense but it does make you feel that the powers that be are listening to you, it can uplift your emotions when you are down, make you feel part of the collective.

    Now I know to the capitalists amongst us this does not make good business sense but football does not exist to make sense, we go to the games to get away from the working world, to feel alive, we do not attend games to increase the value of the share prices. Football is one of the last bastions of collectivism left in this country. Neo-Liberals and Capitalists like Thatcher, Hayek and Friedman have stressed the individual rather than the collective is better, I'm all right Jack, get on your bike, there no such thing as Society any more, Private does it better than Public, you tell a lie often enough and people will believe it.

    Newcastle supporters should be praised for what they done regardless the consequences of the outcome, as a collective they did not like the way their team was headed, supporters stop attending the matches not because of some future economic down spiral forcast by wannabe economists but because of the style of football.

    Football supporters are irrational, they identify with their club, they do not identify with a brand or a corporate image. Greed is selling the soul of football that is what is turning people off the beautiful game.

    Although this is an excellent Celtic website with a wide variety of views, I do though have a slight critism of this site and that is in your own little way Paul you are helping changing Celtic to Brand Celtic by over emphasing Corporate Celtic, in a way you have become the 'Henk Potts' of the CQN, with weekly economic forecasts of rising share prices for the Bhoys and prophesising bankruptcy for the Huns ( BTW I for one would hate to see the orcs go under, we would enjoy it for a month or two and then we would have to invent another manky mob, I don't think anybody here has that great of an imagination to come up with another enemy as loathsome as the huns)

    Paul you are helping creating Celtic as a separate busines entity devoid of the passion and emotion that entails what supporting a Football club use to represent, gone are traditions because it does not make good business sense, do not listen to the supporters of the club as it does not make good business sense, cater to the individual shareholder but not the collective.

    You ended your article 'Short-term populism is the curse of football' should be painted above every stadium entrance in the country, maybe then the penny will drop. That is like saying please leave all your Passions and Emotions at the turnstile.

    Polemic CSC

    I await the unleashing of the Dogs of Capitalism

     
  • At 13/02/08 18:37, Blogger Kojo said…

    My dear,dear Friend, PJ

    In ref.to your submission of the wee sma' hoors.

    In which you voiced agreement in my assertion... That things...economically speaking... where not all that they should be, in Denmark!

    I am shocked,nay...astounded,suprised even... paralysed, with astonishment.

    That being said... I feel a whooooollllllotta Bettah!

    Indeedy do, you are correct in stating that the U.S. economy and by extension.... the WOILD economy ....is ONE and the same... AILING PUPPY!

    It is not in a state of actual SICKNESS... at the moment... But, not to worry... It's Getting There.

    And .....how is this for co-incidence....

    Evidently, according to the Financial Times(ft.com) this gay morn... None other( Whit?..ed)( Ah Know.... Ah don't know whit that means eether...but...all together now!...."Everybody says it!")
    None other, than the August(!) Mr. King,who is presently the Keeper o' the Flame...at The Old Lady.....
    WARNS!!!.... paraphrased...but very accurate...check it out...


    "The U.K. Economy....faces 'a deeper and more Persisent Slowdown' than FOIST predicted'..

    Wella... LA ! DEE! DA!

    The U.K. Economy, in LOCK STEP with the U.S. and China and The Rest of the WOILD... has been slipping into a recessionary phase....

    SINCE LAST AUGUST,2007!

    How do I know?

    Because, I got out of the British Banks.... in July2007!

    I have since been buying back into them.

    How does one know when a recession is on the horizon??

    Simple...
    Watch the BANKS!

    How does one know when a recession...has run it's course...

    Simple.

    WATCH THE BANKS.....

    Why?

    Because, as Mr. Sutton... wisely commented ,all those years ago..... "That's where the Money is!"

    Money Makes the Woild Go Round!

    To return to this Morn's KING warning....

    When someone asks me for Financial Advice...when they foist decide to enter the churling waters of the Stock Market...here is my very,very,very foist piece of it...

    Do not believe ANYTHING THAT IS PREDICTED IN THE WALL STREET JOURNAL!

    Whenever a FINANCIAL TIP.. extolling the Qualities of a Particular Stock..f'rinstance..appears in the rag.

    DO NOT BE DECEIVED by INTO INVESTING IN THAT VEHICLE!

    For...

    ASTUTE MEMBERS of the Financial community, have already invested in that particular Company,at a far,far earlier date... and are now waiting, UNTIL THE PENERAL GUBLIC, becomes PUBLICALLY INFORMED of its investment potential...and the Wise Guys..are waiting to DUMP that Stock!

    In the same spirit...of subterfuge..meaning never give a Suckah....an EVEN BREAK..

    The Controllers of the Destiny of the Financial Well Being of a Country....

    Shall never allow the TRUE state of the Nation's Economic Health, to become Public Knowledge...to reduce Panic in the Market.

    But the Wise Guys... Know...yes, they know... and now You my readers will know....

    WATCH THE BEHAVIOUR OF THE BANKS!

    Mr.KING is not a Day late and a Pound Short with his news... to me!

    He is slowly and inexorably admitting to what the members of the smart set...already well know.

    Really...he HAS TO Make this WARNING!...

    Soon the SLIPPAGE IN THE ECOMOMIC GROWTH IN THE U.K. will begin to become known by the same PENERAL GUBLIC that we have already mentioned.

    Once one notices that his personal Economic Standard is being Gored...
    The the Penny shall drop with same urgency that one would quickly discard a Hot Horse Shoe!

    Then,of course, it will be Too late.... for one to make the proper Investing Adjustments, to PROTECT OR TAKE ADVANTAGE OF HOW THE RECESSIONARY WILL AFFECT ONE'S PORTFOLIO!

    For the VERY,VERY, VERY,VERY,VERY ,... BESTEST TIME OF ALL ....

    FOR ONE TO INVEST IN THE MARKET...

    IS WHEN THE BLOOD IS IN THE STREETS!

    How do I know that...

    BECAUSE THAT IS THE ONLY TIME THAT I EVER INVEST ....And WITH BOTH HANDS...in the Market.

    What is my secret....?

    NO secret...everybody Knows...

    "BUT LOW ...AND SELL HIGH?"

    How does one achieve this...?

    One MUST ALWAYS BE....

    Ta DA


    PRO-ACTIVE! and NOT .... REACTIVE!

    Easy for me to say?

    Sure!

    For that is another aphorism that I have built my life around..

    And ye know sumptin'?

    IT WOIKS.....Oh! How it WOIKS!

    In conclusion...

    How long does a recession last...?

    My studies show...

    FROM THE BEGINNING ... in our present case... AUGUST,2007
    Until it expires, into a nascent and SLOW... Economic Revival... once all of the mistakes and follies of the past have been squeezed out...always a painful experience.

    A Recession usually lasts One Year and Ten Months or Seven Quarters...
    of course that statement is a very subjective one...and is MY OWN PERSONAL OBSERVATION...so...
    a very rough prediction on an Economic Revival,I would be looking for an Economic Upturn...commencing ...

    March2009...

    AFTER THE FOIST QUARTER in the NEW PRESIDENTIAL CYCLE!

    The Clinching of the Economic Revival and the co-incident NEW PRESIDENTIAL CYCLE occuring at the same time... Is....that..

    IT IS FAR,FAR FROM BEING A COINCIDENCE!

    Presidential Cycles are the Rosetta Stone ,in the understanding of WOILD ECONOMIC CYCLES!

    But that my friend, it a Whole other Ball of Wax

    Now...NO MORE, from me on this subject..

    Let's Put it to bed!


    Kojo.
    Yer Pal... who likes the way you think.

     
  • At 13/02/08 19:03, Blogger canamalar said…

    narrowboat,
    I must disagree on the demise of the manky mob, I have for a long time and continue to wish for exactly this.
    I honestly dont care if we have no replacement foe, I'd much prefer to be meeting the european elite on a weekly or even for now in the champions league, all they represent I find abhorant and the sooner they fall the sooner this little british outpost can get on with trying to honestly be mulicultural and show all the little imperialists that pandering to such dogma is not profitable. I have advocated for a long time that celtic should not consider ourselves part of an old firm, but should be thinking of making our way in the world without dragging this filth with us everywhere we go.

     
  • At 13/02/08 19:10, Blogger Estadio said…

    The football tonight on BBC 1 replaces the first screening of Atilla the Hun!!

    No further comment

    Hail hail

    Estadio

     
  • At 13/02/08 19:10, Blogger Glover said…

    True Tim,

    I am also in line with 18 Yard of the old stand. My tickets are £37 and £24 for the concession. I would check your price.

    Compare this to Barcelona who will be charging Celtic fans 110 euro (around £79)

    Price you pay for the top 16 in Champions league!

     
  • At 13/02/08 19:13, Blogger canamalar said…

    kojo,
    would that be the same banks who were willing to lend people 5 times their income and offer 50 year morgages, a recipe for disaster if ever there was one eh.
    Agreed watching the money is normally the best way to guage the climate but recently the banks have being making record profit.
    Does the recession start this week or next, and would you advise buying northern rock stock ?

     
  • At 13/02/08 19:23, Blogger mcgrory-for-arsenal said…

    barcabhoy...
    mccurry's team sold their rights but they got a pretty penny for it...
    was it £20M?
    we held on to ours but what have we done with our rights?
    NADA.

    it appears to me that they made the correct decision.

    PAUL67.... was there a time limit on the rights?
    are they gone from rankers forever or do they get their rights back in a few years??

     
  • At 13/02/08 19:24, Blogger hamptontim said…

    I think that Barcabhoy's post raises an interesting question with regard to broadcast and media rights.

    We are seeing technologies converge and it's progressively harder to spot the difference between your phone, your PC and your telly.

    I wouldn't pretend to claim to understand the legal ramifications of all this - but when will a telly channel start beocimg an internet web page or vice versa?
    What will that mean in the grand scheme of things as to who will own the media rights and with what geographic constraints?

    Are technology developments likely to lead to legal challenges in the near future?

    MorequestionsthananswersCSC

     
  • At 13/02/08 19:28, Blogger The Narrowbhoat Tim said…

    canamalar

    If the opportunity for an European league including Celtic without the Huns was there I agree totally with you, likewise if we are invited to join the EPL without the huns I agree with that too, I would gladly be devoid of the huns forever for new rivals would emerge especially in the EPL.

    What I was saying and maybe I should have clarified myself better as long as we are stuck in the SPL, life would be boring without the huns to get your ire up. Call me a masochist or suffering from a martyr syndrome but victory is so much sweeter when you know it is against the huns and their hordes of cheating allies as in the MIB and Duffield, Laptop Loyal etc. I enjoy being wronged against by the Huns and friends for the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph.

    If the Huns disappear from the SPL and we are still stuck in the SPL where is the glory of finishing ahead of Gretna and et al.

    Ask yourself this why when we play at home to the huns that it is the hardest ticket to get in the season (unless it is the game we clinch three in a row)

    For Glory and for the Hoops

     
  • At 13/02/08 19:32, Blogger Kojo said…

    My dear friend, Glover...

    You sir/madam, have adopted a... what is known in the trade...as a P.P.I.E.W. nomme de blog!

    You dinnae know that?
    Wella, now ye dae!

    Congratulations.!

    Ticket prices?

    You are correct. We the fans of Celtic....are getting a Cut-price rate on our Briefs( How dae you know?...when wiz the last time ye visited a Scottish Haberdashery?...ed)( As usual pal. like yer eyes after a lost week-end..yer wires are crossed!...keep oot o'this!)

    Like you have observed, Celtic are charging Third Class prices for Foist Class Entertainment.

    Where else can one buy for a pittance a FIX that can last....at least Two Days?

    After the last Celtic game... my FIX, is still WOIKING!

    Although, to be honest... it did not cost me a Cent...at the Parkhead Gate... but, that is anither tale!

    Be that as it may or mayn't...

    Your are so right.... Celtic are in actual fact....
    UNDER CHARGING THE MARKET!

    And even on the wonderful and exciting CL eves... Celtic are giving us a present in the shape of low admission fees....

    I believe...check that...I know! ... that Celtic could Charge Double!... and still fill the Stadium!

    And how dae I know,this.....?

    Because, pal....


    Supporting, the Celtic ,is not mere, Recreational Entertainment......

    IT IS AN ADDICTION!



    Ye are right!
    and anybody who says, otherwise....

    Is...

    Wella.... WRONG!.....Natch!

    Kojo.
    yer pal, Who likes the way ye think.

     
  • At 13/02/08 19:35, Blogger Big Joe said…

    EeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeVNING ALL

    Just been researching the bigJoe ……………………..

    Family history……………………………………………AND

    I have discovered I have an Greek…………………….

    uncle…………………………………………………

    there’s only 1…………………………………………..

    Panathinaikos!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    BigJoeWhoWnatsTHEM2loooooooooooseBAD

     
  • At 13/02/08 19:41, Blogger Dennis 47 said…

    On the disappearance of Rangers.
    The idea is, at first sight, wonderful. Away with that absurd sense of superiority they have, with their marble staircase and "iconic" brick facade.
    But then I stop and think, what would I do without the outrage, the righteous fury, the sense of injustice...

     
  • At 13/02/08 19:45, Blogger nelsbhoy said…

    Celtic tv showing 70 Euro Semi.

    What a crowd and what a team we were.

     
  • At 13/02/08 19:57, Blogger The Narrowbhoat Tim said…

    Dennis 47

    Sherlock had his Moriarty

    Rome had its Carthage

    Jerry had his Tom


    Success is not measured by what you accomplish but by the opposition you have encountered, and the courage with which you have maintained the struggle against overwhelming odds.

     
  • At 13/02/08 20:04, Blogger The Narrowbhoat Tim said…

    Mon the Pannis lets hope it is a Greek Tradegy for the Huns.

    Sophocles CSC

     
  • At 13/02/08 20:05, Blogger Cadizzy said…

    Marty the Maestro, "nearies"? what strange people are the Portonians. My granda was from Fore St. so I should watch what I say. "nearest the ba'" was the expression we used in the sophisticated parts of Inverclyde (before it was Inverclyde)

    Has Pana scored yet? Big Joe my uncle must have gone to school with yours.

     
  • At 13/02/08 20:08, Blogger U2_1888 said…

    I posted this just after the CIS semi final where Mike McCurry delivered a quite bewildering performance. This is the list of referees and their appointments for Rangers games this season.

    Referee Total
    McCurry 5
    Brines 3
    Clarke 3
    McDonald 3
    Richmond 3
    Collum 2
    Tumilty 2
    Conroy 1
    Crawford 1
    Freeland 1
    Smith 1
    Thomson 1


    I see Mr McCurry is to further extend his lead at the top of the Rangers list when he takes charge of Kilmarnock v Rangers next Sunday.

    What bets on yet another string of strangely one sided decisions?

    When do things even themselves out with this guy?

    When does a blip become a trend?

     
  • At 13/02/08 20:10, Blogger mncelt said…

    Do we want the hun to win tonight? surely the more ganes they have the more stretched their already thin resources will be spread over the next few weeks

    just a thought.

     
  • At 13/02/08 20:10, Blogger Kojo said…

    My dear,dear,friend... Canamalar...


    I will make an exception and continue on this Economic Thread...just for you,babe.

    In my last submission.. I very clearly stated...

    WE( U.K.and U.S.) ARE and HAVE BEEN IN A RECESSION ... since...
    AUGUST 2007.

    A Recession is like a seed...

    One plants...And patiently awaits until the foist little shoots,to start to poke out of the ground... then and only then, do we realise that something has been growing.... sight unseen....inexorably.

    Believe me pal... The U.K. Recession is there, it has started....unseen, at the moment by the Peneral Gublic... but, it's growing...yes it's growing...and soon the foist green shoots will appear.....for all to see.

    What the Banks do...is what the Banks do...

    It is not REAL money,anyway... one is convinced that it is... but it is no!

    Do you think for a moment that the Bank lends out Real Money?

    Northern Rock...

    Is NO REALLY A BANK,any way!

    It is what we called years ago... A Building Society... spivvied up...no doubt ... but it is inherently, a Building Society.

    I would not touch it with the proverbial!

    The Banks... those, which I have mentioned before... in which I am presently and CONTINUOUSLY....buying....
    are the following U.K. High Street BANKS...

    Barclays......a Steal.....
    Royal Bank of Scotland... also a theft.
    and my favourite... abune them awe...

    Lloyds TBS.... At this time... they are Paying an DIVIDEND of....
    EIGHT PER CENT ....and a wee bit mair, on Your investment Pound!

    We must really stop meeting like this,pal...

    To many of the other Contributers to this sainted blog...

    The Discussion of Economics is a Dead Subject...

    Let's bow to their wishes.


    Kojo.
    yer pal... who likes ye.

     
  • At 13/02/08 20:11, Blogger CelticSephiroth said…

    mncelt

    I'd rather they just lost every game they play, then fixture congestion will be irrelevant :^)

     
  • At 13/02/08 20:13, Blogger CelticSephiroth said…

    Panathinaikos look happy with the draw at the moment. Not really adventurous. A boring, take a goal if it comes performance looming by the looks of things.

     
  • At 13/02/08 20:14, Blogger CelticSephiroth said…

    I'll say one thing for the Greeks, they're not shy of shooting from range.

     
  • At 13/02/08 20:15, Blogger Big Joe said…

    Cadizzy……………………………………..

    I think we will find……………………….

    Our…………………………..uncles

    had a few……………………………

    Celtic mates…………………………………….

    In there class……………………………………

    BigJoewhoHASlostHisSKYsignal

     
  • At 13/02/08 20:17, Blogger Parkheadcumsalford said…

    There have suggestions that Celtic is far removed from that founded by Br Walfrid and that it does not treat the supporters in ways he would have recognised. In short, we are customers. Balderdash and piffle. This is nothing new. It started almost at the very beginning and the support has always in my memory felt we were taken for granted, apart from by the likes of Mr Stein. The conditions we put up with until the coming of Mr McCann would induce incredulity in the young. He, at the very least, allowed to own Celtic, for the first time.

    And as for people suggesting that the stands are empty because of the chance to watch it in a nice warm pub with a nice cold beer. God give me strength...That guys can't afford to go, especially from outwith Scotland; fair enough. But to opt for the pub in Coatbridge or Croy or the Chateau du Lait?!?

     
  • At 13/02/08 20:17, Blogger CelticSephiroth said…

    BBC Commentator as a Pana player goes down from a challenge from Weir.

    "I'm always happy when referees come from big leagues. He's excellent."

    Write that down for later just in case.

    Just as I type this Davis assaults the left back wit h a high challenge. No booking, the ref had a word with him though.

     
  • At 13/02/08 20:19, Blogger The Narrowbhoat Tim said…

    The Football Association of Ireland have confirmed the appointment of Giovanni Trapattoni as the new Republic of Ireland boss.

    I guess the Beast lost out on another job, he is becomming more like his doppleganger Yosser Hughes everyday, 'Gissa Job' , I can do dat.

    On MIB someone brought up Wee Bazza's lack of Yellow Cards in Scotland but he has one in Europe. Reminds when the Huns had not one player sent off for about 4 or 5 years in Scotland but had something like 5 or 6 players sent off during the same time in Europe.

    Stranger than Fiction CSC

     
  • At 13/02/08 20:21, Blogger thismancraig said…

    Craig Paterson is a lesson in impartiality. He's actually ran out of superlatives to describe every Rangers involvement so far.

    The Davis strike 'a phenomenal effort' which the keeper saved with ease despite seeing it late. Not a word on the save!!

    Sound off, Radiohead on!

     
  • At 13/02/08 20:22, Blogger U2_1888 said…

    mncelt,

    We want Rangers to lose tonight and lose again in Greece.

    We want Rangers to have a free run at the title with no fixture congestion / fighting on too many fronts excuses.

    We want Celtic to win 3 in a row without even the slightest hint of an excuse down Ibrox way.

    We even want Celtic to have a further two CL matches after we dismiss Barca:)

    ....and still win 3 in a row, the Scottish Cup and go where no Scottish team has gone before in the CL.

    I don't want much, eh?

     
  • At 13/02/08 20:22, Blogger CelticSephiroth said…

    A tackle described as a great bit of trickery from Novo.

    Great to see all these magnificent tricks.

     
  • At 13/02/08 20:23, Blogger CelticSephiroth said…

    thismancraig

    Radiohead you say?

    SIR YES SIR!

     
  • At 13/02/08 20:25, Blogger Parkheadcumsalford said…

    Big Billy is talking on Celtic TV. He is waxing lyrical about the Cup win in '65 and its aftermath and consequences. Will be forever one of the happiest days of my life and the winner he scored is etched indelibly in my heart. Oh, the joy it gives me just to recall how I felt at that moment.

     
  • At 13/02/08 20:27, Blogger Parkheadcumsalford said…

    Rangers to lose every time and by as many goals as possible is my hope in every match they play against whoever. Hate them for what they stand for and long to see their end.

     
  • At 13/02/08 20:29, Blogger The Narrowbhoat Tim said…

    U2_1888

    Make mine a Treble too

    I like the way you think, give them no excuses.

     
  • At 13/02/08 20:29, Blogger CelticSephiroth said…

    Parkheadcumsalford

    Here here, or should that be Hail Hail

    Pana have fashioned a couple of wee opportunities but no real strike at goal yet.

     
  • At 13/02/08 20:30, Blogger CelticSephiroth said…

    Pana defender played Novo through, their goalie saved well at his feet.

     
  • At 13/02/08 20:31, Blogger loumacarisbettingslip said…

    Are rangers playing shamrock roversianikos tonight

    Always support the team in green

    thewearingofthegreen csc

     
  • At 13/02/08 20:32, Blogger CelticSephiroth said…

    Commentators waxing lyrical about Davis every time he touches the ball. He keeps giving it away though, shame that :^)

     
  • At 13/02/08 20:32, Blogger CelticSephiroth said…

    McCulloch just slyly booted their goalie as he ran out. Shocker. Still no booking.

     
  • At 13/02/08 20:33, Blogger CelticSephiroth said…

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