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I knew if I kept trying,!!!
Martin.
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test!
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Well Done Martin42...
Surely that was a tip off?
Hail Hail
SPC
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Martin ya mongrel!
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Martin,
Inside knowledge - foul play !
Seville67
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Great article and great timing Paul,
I just love posts sabout money!!!
Martin.
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Martin42,
the Dwayne Chambers of CQN.
Seville67
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2ND just like Wattie and the thread bears 2007-08.
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Singapore and Seville,
Tip off, you must be joking,
The big one deletes 95% of my posts as it is.
No seriously, I did it all on my own.
Martin.
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from last post
Paul
Regarding the revaluation of Ibrox :-
I know its obvious but there's never a truer word said than that something is only worth what someone prepared to pay for it and you can of course have all the valuations you like but if the market wont bear the price you want youre unlikely to be able to change that.
That , given the vagaries of such a specialist property market and the fact that almost any commercial property will have debt secured on it, means that the actual net worth of a heritable asset can fluctuate enormously and any snapshot valuation is as good as meaningless within weeks/ months of being carried out.
The only question worth asking is what is left once a willing buyer has paid the current market price and the seller has cleared all the debt , including any debt to the secured creditor which is not ostensibly linked to the property but is covered by the "all sums due " nature of most securites/ charges
Mcmanus69 thanks for the link -- you should repost on here its a brilliant read.
Martin 42
INSIDER TRADING , SIR!!
TLWIO
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Well Done Martin!!
Hail Hail
SPC
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Paul,
What are the GAAP for valuation of players, or the treatment of player values v contracts on the balance sheet?
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Martin
just hope you are as quick to the bar on Sat;-)
VertWolf
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Just to re-iterate but also paraphrase and expand slightly.
Turnover does not equal Richness.
For instance.
Abramovich is very Rich, Chelsea are very poor AND still making a massive year on year Loss. Chelsea however have a huge turnover.
Glazer is very rich, Man U have a huge turnover, but the club itself are poor although still making yearly profit.
I could come up with all sorts of financial ratios that put Celtic top, bottom, in the middle of a top twenty list. For instance if we take ratio of income to profit, where would we stand in relation to net debt, where would we stand?
Turnover!! What was Enron's or Andersons'...or Worldcom's???
Or for that matter mine.
Last year my turnover in following Celtic put me in the top twenty of people in my street. Unfortunately income was substantially less than outgoings!
This year therefore I am skint and will have to come up with some wheezes to generate some readies. Otherwise "what's that comin over the hill? it's an IVA" or even worse I won't be able to afford Moscow for the final.
Next year I will thumb a lift, pedal, walk, use easy-jet or Ryan air and sleep in cashpoint lobbies with a strategically placed cap for any crumbs from the rich-man's table.
Fortunately I will still see the games but my turnover will be down, but my financial well being will be enhanced.
I will therefore fall out of the street's top twenty list.
Hail hail
Estadio
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Proposed Theory
If we are are 17th in turnover, then reaching the final 16 in the Champions League should be the norm nearly every season giving that there are 6 EPL teams ahead of us making a bigger turnover and only 4 of the teams can enter the CL from the EPL.
If all the other country teams ahead us qualify for the CL then we would be the 15th biggest turnover team in the CL, so we should expect a final 16 place as a minimum return in the CL nearly every year. Also if some of the teams ahead of us have crippling debts to service then we would move up a few places too.
If X = turnover
Y = Home winning record
(E = mc2)the relative chances of of winning the CL in any giving year
Z = Magic of Aiden
Q = holy goalie
(X+Y)x(E = mc2)/Z x Q = 2008 CL Champions
Off course this theory does not take into considerations injuries, bad draws, up and coming teams and Masonic referee decisions. So as flaw as my theory is it undeniable, unquestionable and without a doubt a Theory.
Hypothesis CSC
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I dont really think it matters if we are on this rich list. As you say Paul67 west ham are on it, what have they won and when did they last play Barca?
If we can keep producing players like big Mick and wee Aiden, and the scounts can keep unearthing gems like THG and Naka then it shouldnt really matter... Should it?
On another point, is there any chance you could do an article on the curious bookings dished out to Aiden and the imbalance of games the Cheat has had incharge of his cloven hoved bretheren? Would be interesting to see if the rags or the radio brought it up.
Im sure if Aiden gets susended again its 3 games he misses. Whats the betting our 3 games against the rats come in quick order?
Sack duffield
Smack the Cheat.
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As everyone can see both me and Narrowbhoat are in total agreement.
Right time to go and make some money.
I wonder where I will sit with my cup today?
hail hail
Estadio
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Is there any way out of the SPHell Paul67???
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Paul Shun
Something has to give when the next setanta contract expires.
I know discussions will take place before that happens, probably over an extension to the contract, or indeed new discussions with SKY who may come back into the scene with an offer.
I think that SKY will certainly be involved for the next negotitations which should be a good thing as the offer will certainly be of a higher standard, both in terms of product and value paid.
By the time this happens (2 years i think) as the setanta deal was 4 years (stupidly) Celtic will be bigger and better and I believe SKY will want us back on board again
We must be the biggest team in the world in terms of fan base watching games as i have never known any other club in the world to have as many supporters clubs abroad as us, many of these clubs gather to watch the games. The market audience for Celtic is unbeatable in my opinion.
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Paul
This scenario is likely, but what are your views on the continued over priced TV rights in the EPL?
Is the South Sea Bubble about to burst or are the Dirty Digger's pockets deeper than the Mariana Trench?
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Hello Paul,
Work duties in Englandshire have kept me from posting for a while, and it looks like the team has picked up considerably in my absence! For the first time in a long time I am approaching an SPL game at Celtic Park in the real belief that I will see some great attacking football. it's a good feeling, like the first day of Spring after a long Russian winter!
Coupla random thoughts...
Re: Deloitte. It was inevitable that this list would soon become little more than an amalgam of the top 4 or 5 in England Spain Germany and Italy. TV monies now distort football in Europe to such an extent that even mediocre EPL clubs are bona fide global powerhouses when it comes to spending power. Unless we get a piece of that, we will not feature on the list again.
However, is this necessarily a bad thing? As other posters have pointed out, turnover does not equal wealth. I know a Chelsea fan who wakes up every morning dreading the news that Abramovich has fallen under the wheels of a bus! At least our structure and revenues seems more solid and sensible than many above us on that list.
Re: Aiden & bookings. Someone posted yesterday that McCurry booked more Celtic players in one match than he has booked Rangers players all season (and he refs them one in every three games!). Also, Aiden has had more bookings than Cuellar & Weir combined.
If this were the EPL, such a suspicious set of statistics would be analysed to death on Sky and MotD...
Perhaps Gordon himself could raise this anomaly before the Hertz game, and see who picks up on it...?
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I was admiring the metalwork in
Senor Cuellar's mouth . It reminded me of the scaffolding that used to regularly feature in tennis poppet Andrea Jaeger's smirk as she would smite another plucky British gel at Wimbers in the 70s.
And now it seems the same Andrea Jaeger is a nun.
Will the circle be unbroken..
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Paul67,
I’m sure it was posted on here that the accountancy practice Murray uses to value Ibrox and Murray Park where getting done away with, is this right??
If the way they value Ibrox and Murray Park stays the same for years to come, I can’t see Murray selling Rangers to anyone, unless they get one hell of a offer for the club.
If you look at MIH debt to assets then take off the value of Ibrox and Murray Park it will be MIH that will be near insolvent. (Remembering MIH has the largest shareholding in Rangers)
Saying all that I might just be talking rubbish....:-)
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Paul67,
did you write this article with the new financial font.
I believe that being off the list of the top 20 is a good thing.
Any potential investors for football clubs not knowing football, which seems to be the case down south, would probably look at the top 20 as a measure of good investments vehicles.
Therefore if we are not on the list, all the better!.
BF
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With distinguish and renowned wordsmiths like Estadio backing my theory is a Nobel Prize in Timology just around the corner.
Laureate CSC
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Italiabhoy -
I feel we have to get this anomally in the public domain. This is the only way to put pressure on the Cheat and others of his ilk and make them think twice about, well, cheating.
They know we know, but if they knew that we knew and knew it was now a topic of discussion, the cheats might think twice.
I have a wee feeling gettin Aiden suspended may backfire if Mizuno is as good as I hope though.
The Cheat - We are watching you.
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As I commented in the last blog, Reading and Bolton will overtake Celtic, but how long can this continue? As the ownership of these companies ( they could be fish packers for all the owners are concerned) fall into the hands of profit driven mavericks, the need for new income streams is needed year on year. This is where Celtic and their greatest asset, the fans, come into play. Reading Vrs Bolton in L.A…………..who cares? Man U Vrs Celtic………..now you have a story, and a game to sell. Keep your nose clean Celtic, the big boys will come calling soon.
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Narrowboat,
thankyou for your theory,
a spontanious involentary chuckle was the result, which it a grand gift.
cheers
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I see the US and Asian associations have come out strongly againsty the insane EPL plan to play abroad.
Tellingly, the only place where interest is reported is Saudi Arabia, who have expressed an interest in holding matches "if they involve Manunited, Arsenal, Liverpool or Chelsea"
So Bolton may well become the 17th richest club in the world. But I'd bet the number of fans they have outside Lancashire barely makes it into double figures.
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bazzabhoy
For almost 5 years in the 90's the huns never had a player sent off in the SPL while they had players sent off regularly in Europe during the same time, the Winnalot Journalists then did not care and would not care now.
We will win 3-in a row regardless how much they cheat, victory will be even more sweeter at the end of the season.
We will look back years from now and admire the Hoops for winning through adversity, we will say it was a Herculian effort. Speaking of Hercules, Duffield reminds me of Hercules Brother, Ridicules Ba boom got a million of them.
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Italiabhoy,
Is that the US trying to be protective as usual, I think they may fint no more wembly venuse for their girly rugby if they persist.
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NarrowBT- is your equation flexible enough to allow for refereeing like this?
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Is that the US of A the home of Capitalism and the Free Market closing entry into there market. And here's me thinking Capitalism is about, deregulating, openning markets not closing them and restrictive quotas.
Proectionism in the US of A, Milton Friedman would be spinning in his grave (at least I hope he's dead)
No wonder there is a recession there.
Keynesian CSC
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I've never been a fan of us moving to the EPL to chase their dollar, but would love the idea of us joining up with the likes of the Dutch, Portuguese,Belgians, and perhaps even the French for a Euro league. This would undoubtedly enable us to generate revenues from TV deals that would better reflect our global appeal. Of course by uniting all these leagues, and therefore reducing there representatives in the CL, would this further tighten the Anglo-Italo-Spanish stranglehold on the competition?
Ah the conudra!!!
Listening to the commentary for the huns game last night, first on radio, then TV, I was amazed at the comments of the commentators and pundits when Rangers were penalised for fouls, saying things like "that would have been play on in the SPL"
Did they realise that what they were really saying, and what we were really hearing was "rangers would've got away with that in the SPL".
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Hmmmmmmmm, seems that someone wants to delete history ????
Click Here
pablophanque
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TBH, I don't want us to move to any other league until season 2015 - 2016. Can you guess why ?
pablophanque
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Hah! Wikipedia- would start a fight in an empty domain. I never use it, personally.
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DBBIA, "Thunder bolts and lightning........."
pablophanque
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Pablo
Ten reasons?
Tlwio
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Narrowboat & canamalar,
The US position is totally consistent with regulated capitalism... protect your nascent industries from rapacious competition- at least until they are strong enough to stand up for themselves. Once they are strong enough, they will be able to compete and grow in the international market. And if they can't, it will be because of their own weaknesses rather than any unfair practices.
Adam Smith (if not Milton Friedman) would have approved.
As for Wembley, yes the NFL may lose the use of the north london white elephant, but the NFL was not acting in competition with a British gridiron league, so no damage to the local game could have been inflicted.
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Indeed pablophanque ;) Leaves plenty of time to set it up then.
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DBBIA
Your post gives new meaning to bent referees.
pablophanque
The Laptop Loyal have been deleting Celtic History for years, did you notice last year when they gave page after page on the aniversary of the Huns winning 9 in a row that nowhere in any of the articles they said they were celebrating being the second scottish team to win 9 in a row.
Does anybody think last night must have been confusing for a Hun supporter in England, while BBC Scotland was showing the Huns European game, the BBC in England had scheduled a show about Attila the Hun.
One program was about an insane cruel Tyrant and his hordes ransacking and pillaging cities in Europe while the other program was about some guy that lived between 406-453 ad.
At least Attila left the cities he visited in better shape than the Orcs.
Aetius CSC
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Paul
Do you know the reasons why the Italian authorities are pushing clubs there to return to collective selling of broadcasting rights?
It seems so last century.
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Just watching a rerun of the Lyon home game in the Champions League shown last night on Celtic TV.
That first goal is a joy to watch. 24 passes, a cross and a header. One of the best goals we've scored in the Champions League.
I have always wondered if player sales are included in these figures. Also our percentage of match-day income against overall turnover must be one of the highest given what little we get from domestic TV rights.
On match-day income we must also be almost at a peak, with the number of empty seats we see at Celtic Park nowadays maybe an indicator that there will probably be less season-book holders next year, putting us at a further disadvantage.
To think tint Bristol City, if they remain where they are just now, will earn around £40million in TV rights! Some things just ain't fair!
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Porridgeandbananas,
The Lyon game was IMO opinion the great Henrik's finest game in a Celtic jersey and he didn't even score.
After the goal you described I turned to my seat buddy (not Timmy7 as he missed that game, a perennial habit of his missing classic games, 6-2 for example) and said enjoy this Mr Larsson bloke while you can for there never will be another like him.
A true Great.
vclxi
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Paul
Do you know how much of an effect interest owed to bank by football clubs has? Could different in interested from Celtic's low debts in comparison to Ranger's large debts be enough to say pay for Robson's transfer fee?
If that is the case then are Rangers essentially weakening their budget for future transfer windows every time they have a spending spree to try and catch up on Celtic?
As for the rich list I have mixed responses towards it. The main movers are the English clubs which probably affects us mostly on a psychological level rather than on footballing level. Let's face it, it doesn't matter if West Ham move above us as we're not going to be playing them in the Champions League. Man U may be getting richer but it probably won’t mean we'll struggle against them more than we already do. Our main concern is with the other big clubs in Europe and we seem to be holding our own financially with the exception of the top clubs in France, Spain, Italy, and Germany. We're coping when we play these teams in Europe and I don't see that changing anytime soon.
I'm a little worried about the transfer market though. Clubs like West Ham, Birmingham, and Portsmouth etc are always sniffing around our targets. It hasn't been too much of a hindrance in the past but with their financial strength it might not be so easy in the future. We need to continue our policy of being as quiet as possible in our dealings until they are sealed.
On selling, I don't see us becoming a selling club but we might benefit from English clubs willing to pay crazy money on our relatively average players.
Instant success is demanded in the EPL now that money is readily available; this means that clubs are less willing to make long-term plans. Managers are getting sacked left right and centre, they cannot afford to wait for a player to develop. Celtic's model of signing young and talented players must be continued. Some people were surprised that we signed Brown for 4m and for the fees being suggested for Lafferty. With the money flying around England it is very possible to make a healthy profit on these young players even with the high cost evolved in bringing them in. Newcastle are apparently happy to spend 10m on him already which says it all.
I think we'll cope alright with the challenges we're facing but it's not going to be an easy ride certainly. I just hope that the fans can appreciate the difficulty which the club faces in keeping the high standard which we are lucky to get.
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Paul67.
Why such a big jump in one of the shares to-day,went from 125 to 135 in one jump,they usually jump 1/2 to 1 point,whats the reason for such an increase.
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Narrowboat Tim, you said
"We will win 3-in a row regardless how much they cheat, victory will be even more sweeter at the end of the season." Sorry, mate, I have to disagree, I honestly feel they cheated us out of it Seville season, with all the penalties, retaken penalties, and the classic last day penalty. Scottish football is corrupt. I still think we shall do it, but we`ll have to be better than them, much much better than them.
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Peter Martin Reads CQN Shocker!
His Evening Times column today starts with this paragraph (the italics are mine):
"AIDEN McGEADY was undoubtedly the star in Celtic's 5-1 win over Aberdeen at Pittodrie on Sunday. Next season's No.7 in waiting produced a display that had everyone in the press box in awe of his undoubted skill and trickery"
OK Peter - what's your Blogger name??
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Paul67 (West Ham United, good grief!). I fail to understand what that statement actualy adheres to. There does seem to be a misplaced view or indeed a blinkered one on this site re West ham.
Has anyone actually been to the east end of London or essex to see the fan base the club has.
West ham are going to move to an all seater 60000 stadium situated at West ham, the plans are already underway.
Their fans I can assure you are just as passionate about their club as Celtic supporters are. I just dont get this idea (is it snobbery, or misplaced perceptions ???), that because they are currently tied to a 35000 stadia that they should be ridiculed. I have lived amongst these people and I can assure you that should they ever meet Celtic in a euro game Glasgow would be awash with claret and blue. Apart from Man utd I would say their away support is the biggest in England.
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PMs blogger name -Notafanofmaguire?
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TLWIO, indeed. “Given the vagaries of such a specialist property market and the fact that almost any commercial property will have debt secured on it, means that the actual net worth of a heritable asset can fluctuate enormously and any snapshot valuation is as good as meaningless within weeks/ months of being carried out” is all you hear these days in the North Stand Upper.
Rodrow, in the UK (and ever other country I know about) players only have a balance sheet valuation if money has been paid for their transfer registration. Youth development costs do not count.
The (residual) value is amortised evenly over the remaining period of a players contract.
Bazzabhoy, while the likes of West Ham are doomed to remain where they are in life, they will have enough resources to make it increasingly difficult for Celtic to attract and retain players.
Bhoy Molloy, I see no evidence of Celtic pursuing any strategy to leave the SPL.
This is not necessarily a failing, they may have exhausted all opportunities, but I would be busy building support for a change with the Dutch and Portuguese clubs.
Lennondinho, Sky have a full programme of football, I don’t expect them to make a serious bid next time around.
The Man at The Chip Shop, absolutely. Sky 6-month profits turned into a loss to end Dec for the first time in many years. While there were several reasons for this, I think a bubble is in progress.
Bhouysfour, Blogger issue with the font; the sooner we move on the better.
Narrowbhoat, the USA is not the home of the free market, in fact, it is an extremely well protected market and always has been.
An economic historian would tell you that protectionism was key to developing the fledgling US economy when it was vulnerable to Europe, and might also say the same for today’s developing economies.
‘Free market advocacy’ is not regarded as a virtue in American politics.
Scotland is the ideological home of the free market.
AdamSmithCSC
Celtic First, self interest. Milan, Juve and Inter are not so keen.
Sean, technically Rangers debts are not that high at the moment, remember they were moved into MIH, although MIH own a large chunk of Rangers.
Oldtim67, I was not aware.
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vclxi
He truly was a one-off. For a foreigner to come in and be as loyal to Celtic as you or I would have been was special, especially coming right after the badge-kissers we had before him who ran at the first chance.
shoot that dug
That season stank to high heaven. The 3 penalties game at Dundee for me was the lowlight. The third in particular made me sick when you saw their full back, Dave McKay, who had openly stated he was a massive Rangers fan, inexplicably punching the ball away in the box with a couple of minutes to go.
The other ones that stick out for me was working on the taxi backshift on the Saturday night, Jimmy Calderwood is on BBC Radio Scotland. I can't remember the exact words but it went along the lines of 'my dad will be in the Rangers end tomorrow and will kill me if we stop them winning the league. We're just going there to ENJOY THE OCCASION!'. Unbeleivable. Then we see Scott Wilson in the last minute giving away the most needless penalty you will ever see.
Add to that the Kilamrnock fans celebrations and their players time-wasting whilst being beaten it makes the last 2 weeks results all the sweeter.
This year, in my opinion is worse as the stuff in 2002/03 was blatant. It's all being done in a more sinister way this year, and in a way that can be defended easily.
It will make winning the title this year all the more enjoyable.
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Maybe the shares jumped due to the formal announcement that the M74 is to begin construction? It's reportedly a boost for the economy of Glasgow and areas such as the East End as a whole.
It's really just a by-pass :)
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I shall tell Haraldina this evening that this year's single red rose is the same as last year's bouquet, allowing for amortisation.
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I don't see where this idea of an EPL bubble comes from. Sport in general and football in particular are likely to become more popular in the foreseeable future.
Globally the EPL & it's teams are the easiest to identify with. As incomes rise in the developing world the value of the EPL's global TV rights will continue to rise.
England will continue to attract players & coaches from overseas which will enhance it's global appeal.
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Thanks for clarifying Paul.
I'm looking forward to the football being back it feels like too long since we last hammered a team ;-)
Hopefully I'll have winnigns of 43.22 from a quid later if my accumulated comes up the way I hope it will:
Benfica W - L FC Nürnberg
Slavia Prague L - W Tottenham
Bolton L - W Atletico Madrid
FC Zürich L - W Hamburger SV
Aberdeen L - W Bayern München
PSV Eindhoven W - L Helsingborgs Woo!
Werder Bremen W - L Sporting Braga Woo!
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With regard to the apparently creative, & inexplicable, book rise in the valuation of Ibrox & Murray Park.
I am , as a complete layman, at a loss to understand how these wildly optimistic values are able to escape scrutiny by independent accountants.
Or, am I being completely naive.
Even if we assume that a certain amount of the Nelson's eye technique is prevalent in the accountancy, why would the bank( HBOS ) providing the credit facility to cover these inflated values, put itself in such a vulnerable situation. There is now only £114m. between MIH's book value & their total debts.
This could be virtually wiped out by the difference between the actual value & the BOOK value of Ibrox & Murray Park.
Should any of us who are Celtic supporting shareholders of HBOS be putting pressure on the company to justify the exposure to which they are subjecting OUR money ?
As I have said, I am a compete layman in these matters, & I am sure that some of the more financially astute CQN posters will be able to educate me.
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Heard a rumour that the Orcs were signing up with Puma next season and the good folk doon the Barras have started production of FAKE REPLICA SHIRTS already:-)
With Apologies to winningemmel
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Alobundy,
About ten years ago I lived in London. In a desperate attempt to fill my lonely Saturday afternoons I tried every EPL club to fill the Celtic-shaped hole in my weekend.
All of London's clubs I found shallow, dull, uninteresting, plastic, and small-time. Arsenal played decent football, but their ground was about as inspiring as Easter Road and their fans an unbearable lot on the whole.
There was one exception: The Hammers. Real football, real fans, a real good atmosphere. Without a doubt theirs is the only London club I would go back to. In terms of fanbase and history they certainly outstrip Chelsea. Unfortunately, Fulham's second club has the stolen riches of Siberia in its bank account...
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Italiabhoy I agree with everything you say. However I never could get my head around pie mash and jellied eels, that was beyond the pale so to speak. Most of their supporters I came across were decent people, they do however like most large English clubs have an element to be avoided so to speak.
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Paul
"Scotland is the ideological home of the free market" why? because Adam Smith was born in Kirkcaldy Scotland, maybe if you exchange 'ideological' with 'ancestral' you might be closer to a truer statement. For the ideological home of the free market has to be Chicago home of the The Chicago School of Economics that allowed Friedman, Stigler and Hayek an opportunity to influence the World Bank, IMF and the US Government (Reagonomics)with free market solutions.Russia, Iraq and Chile is prime example of where you had free market solutions pressure by the IMF who in turned is pressured by the US. The US motto should be 'Do as I preach but not what I do'
Of course the US has regulations to protect their markets they would be mad not too, true free market economy would lead us back to serfdom. In fact our economy thanks to the Brown/Blair axis is more deregulated than the US.
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Al,
That's true. I went with trepidation, as I'd been warned that many of their fans still had connections to the NF. I didn't see any of that however, hopefully it has died out...
Paolo DiCanio was playing for them when I was there. Magnificent player, complete lunatic. The Hammers fans loved him (for footballing reasons rather than for his, erm, political beliefs I hope!)
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Kilbowie Kelt
Re Rangers property valuation.
Fortunately, Narrowbhoat's calculations can be equally applied to property valuations.
So just take his basic calculation as shown here
Ibricks valuation rational
and substitute 'R/L to the power of 3', instead of 'C squared'.
I would suggest that it is pretty obvious that that is exactly what DM did!
Hail Hail
Estadio
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By now we should have compiled sufficient stats on the SPL referees so that during prematch interviews, Gordon could pass comment on what kind of performance he is expecting from the ref during the game to follow. They play a huge part in deciding the outcome of the game, so why not comment on what we think might happen. What would be the harm in that? It would at least let them know they are indeed being watched. Doing nothing at all guarantees there will be no change whatsoever in their behaviour towards us.
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Through the draft[ worse team gets first pick] the NFL tries to keep the league competitive, with varying degrees of success. What will damage the EPL[ and also the FACup] is the perception that only the 'big 4'- or 2/3 - can win anything. English football will turn into-shock! horror! Scottish football, with more money and better players but with the same lack of genuine competitiveness.
That might burst the bubble.
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italiabhoy,
your defence of american protectionism simply flies in the face of fact, in my game I spend a lot of time visiting manufacturers to validate their test procedures, one product in particular is heavily protected. Generators, and large power systems, the yanks have massive inroads into europe, however when european manufacturers attempt to break into the US market the national authorities move the goalposts to protect their industry, if we tried this with them they would be screaming blue murder and squealing trade war. Over the last 10 years I have noted in the construction industery at least the reduction of US manufactured equipment and we are now more likely to turn to out local neighbours for equipment, and not before time, IMO the advantage of this strategy for us, is that we are no longer shackled or as dependent on the US econome as we once were.
Oh and their fledgling banana industry what was that fight about.
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Paul67.
Paul,I caught it on BBC1 teletext,page 223,then page 3,of 11.
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Alobundy, I don’t recall West Ham featuring before on Celtic Quick News.
Kilbowie Celt, HBOS will look after their investments without us needing to ask them.
Narrowbhoat, ideological/ancestral.
Oldtim67, what’s teletext? :-)
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oldtim67
The Celtic share price has been at 68 all week.
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Estadio
Please do not suggest using my formula for hunnery, hocus pocus, witchery Murray voodoo economics. I invented my formula only to be use for the power of good not as a tool for the Orcs to practise their black arts.
If the Norwegian Nobel Committee hear of my formula being used by the Forces of Darkness I will never get invited to the presentation in Stockholm.
Don't ruin my life's work.
Karolinska Institutet CSC
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Celtic merited comment on the FT yesterday in the context of the Deloitte table.
It said the share price had shown more than 100% growth for the year.
Presumably there are traders who will read that sort of thing and grab a piece of the action.
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Narrowboat
As a disinterested by-stander, I think you should share the £1 million-fee for the Nobel prize with Estadio.
That would stop him from falling any further in the most-well-heeled-Tim-in-the-street rankings.
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On April 26th last year excellent CQNer Sean South used West Ham Utd as an example when he was destroying an argument started by unrepentant recidivist troublemaker Edwardursus about- attendances at Youth Cup Finals.
Apparently this time last year this was big news in G51.
Fingers crossed that remains the only piece of silverware for Lord Lucan to polish.
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celtic_first
The monetary value of Celtic shares traded is so minute that no one would actively trade in them.
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Paul
..."is all you hear these days in the North Stand Upper."...
yep , you can hardly get a word in edgeways these days about amortisation.
TLWIO
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The share price that's jumped 10p today is 'Celtic Cnv Pfd' (CCPC) don't know what makes it go up or down, but you can't buy them on-line and hold them in 'electronic format'(or something like that):-).
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danny.
Danny,the ordinary shares have held at 68p all week,but there has been a move for the shares that were standing at 125p,their + 10p to-day.
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NarrowBT- is this the Peace Prize?
In which case it will be awarded,and deservedly so, in Oslo, by the Norwegian Committee.
If it's one of the others the Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences will award it to you in Stockholm.
DBBIA/PedanticVikingsCSC
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The share price has risen 10-12 % since our man from Gap came on board.
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Regarding the Ibrox revaluations. I was sure I was told that after a set period of time (6 years is ringing a bell) property values had to be assessed by an independent valuer. I always thought that BM had placed a value on the property hoping that when the time came for the official valuation it would have reached that value or thereabout and thus the accounts wouldn;t be affected.
Am I titally off teh mark with this?
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oldtim67
I'm just an ordinary type of guy.
Can't say I have a clue about that. It had been 125 forever then went to 135. It can't be due to trading as it never moves and is always a round number. Something to do with a coupon/dividend payment ?
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Danny
Thanks. I'm kind of relieved.
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Celtic 1st
I could be charitable to Estadio and give him some of my Nobel Prize winnings or I could embrace capitalism and buy 14,579 shares of Celtic at 68.59p a share or I could buy a mansion in Tahita staffed with a Monkey Butler or I could always follow my dream of openning a Leper Colony in Govan to help cure the particular malaise that affect some of the natives there.
mmmmmmmmmmmmm........
Monkey Butler in Tahita it is
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The Kerrang!CSC would listen to the Blue Nile before they would damage their ears with this
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That should be Tahiti not Tahita (polynesian pronnunciation) I just got too excited thinking about having a Monkey Butler
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DBBIA
It is the Nobel Prize in Timology so the presentation would be at the Barrowlands with an aperitif at Bairds later.
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TLWIO,correct !
DBBIA, you have faaaaaaaaaar too much time on your hands and what the hell is a redidvist revividist, redvistatist, that thing wot you called Ted ?
pablophanque
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DBBIA @15.59 :- Thanks, that's the nicest thing anyone has said about me in a while :-) Remember technically we can still win four trophies and are in pole position for the title.
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ThenarrowbhoatTim :- If I remember my history lessons from primary correctly it was that home of a vast Celtic support the Gorbals that was the leper colony for Glasgow and not beautiful downriver Govan
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Pablophanque :- I'm not sure myself but reading it in context I took it to mean witty and good looking :-)
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NURSE !!!!!, time for Mr Ursus' medication and make it a double dose please........ and quickly !
pablophanque
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Pablo -I think it's time I stuck my head round the door to find out what all the grumblings and mutterings from the waiting room is about..
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Paul67.
Paul, sorry,same numbers,but ceefax.
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What does everyone think of Paul Merson's comments on Arsenal's upcoming tie against AC Milan?
"We'll beat them over two legs, absolutely 100 per cent nailed-on.
"AC Milan are getting old and in the past year or so, despite that win over Liverpool in Greece last May, it is beginning to show. They look a tired side.
"We will find it easier than people are expecting. In the group stages they played Celtic and, to be honest, they hardly ripped them apart."
Milan didn't exactly tear us apart last year either but they certainly did so with Manchester United in their next game.
Maybe I'm being too harsh on Merson as his quotes are probably taken out of context but irritating all the same.
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having been to all corners of this earth I can recommend the little Islands off Tahiti as the most beautiful.
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Porridge-
Have to agree with you on the seville season.
Remember sitting in a bar in Benalmedena watching us playing Kilie on the last day of the season, before we caught our flight home from Malaga airport after being in Seville.
Just couldnt help thinking we've been cheated out of this title,very similar to this season in fact.
So to all the optimistic among us that like to say good always prevails..no it doesnt!
I can take getting beat fair and square.
I can see so many similarities between 03 and this year..
Good on Big Sutty for telling it like it was.
-Lynott
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DBBIA, too late mate :o)
All gone !
pablophanque
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lynott67, couldn't agree more.
pablophanque
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Pablo -they couldn't have been that poorly then! :~@
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WeeMinger, all valuations are supposed to be independent, but they are all paid for by someone.
There are rules to follow, but they allow considerable lateral.
Sean, I will withhold laughter from Merson's future scripted witticisms.
No change there, then.
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EU
There you go talking about history and here was I talking about the present time affliction that is the curse of you (truth be told you have yet to succumb to full madness) and your pitiful misfortunate disease-ridden brethren.
I was trying to be an Albert Schweitzer to your manky mob and pour all my Nobel Prize winnings on researching a cure for your disease while offering a confined colony so that all the those suffering from the infection of the Mycobacterium Hunnerous leprae bacteria would not infect the rest of Scotland.
So much for trying to be kind to your fellow man.
That settles it the money is difinitely going on to purchase a Monkey Butler
Milk of Human Kindness has run dry.
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Pablo-
I do feel very strongly on this particular subject,like many others i pay lots of money to watch my team and you are always going to get wrong decisions to human error etc but far too many of these only seem to benefit hun.
You could fill a website on these scandalous decisions from our no penalties in fifteen years to McCurry's cheating this year.
Strangely enough until this season i always felt McCurry was one of our more honest MIB..oh how wrong can one be.
-Lynott
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Nazza's very own Admirable Crichton asks if his Master is free to take a call from Sir David.
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TNBT :- I have to admit that the choice of a monkey butler is hard to beat :-)
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lynott67,
My strongly held view on affairs is that Mc.Curry volunteered to be the sacrificial goat to do the necessary for Rangers this year. My opinion is based on the understanding that he is due to retire at the end of the season and therefore has no further refereeing ambitions to fulfil.
Unfortunately, due to the demographics in Scotland, his actions this season will not impact on his future career.
Personally, I will be totally surprised if any, or all, of Aiden and the two Scotts will be available to us for the games that matter.
To win the title this year will be the greatest league triumph in my lifetime and I include the ten man 4-2 in that.
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DBBIA
I would only hire Monkeys who looked immaculate in a Butlers uniform not some T-Shirt slob of a monkey
MONKEY BUTLER
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URGENT!!
HELP NEEDED!!
I am having my flat renovated at the mo and have moved out, somehow when shifting all my stuff my Barca home ticket has went AWOL!!
I am a season ticket holder and i am sitting in my usual seat. Can the ticket office re-issue a ticket??
Does it cost anything??
Any advice much appreciated.
heavypanickingCSC
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TTT- i agree it will take monumental effort to secure 3 in a row.
Also have to agree re McCurry,something is not right here,as this goes way beyond just run of the mill bias.
Yep Aiden and skippy are stick ons to be out of one or more of the hun games.
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the exact amount in rangers accounts for property revaluation is £59.5 million......this is the amount that they are valuing their property at in excess of what it cost them...
i think paul67's article from march 2006 summed up the situation perfectly, however it does appear that rangers have not changed their valuation policy and are now in breach of the guidlines issued by the rics...
pauls article in full below
New consequences of stadium revaluation to avoid insolvency emerge for football clubs
International Financial Reporting Standards advice on how assets such as a football stadium are valued, where a market price has never been established has changed recently.
To reflect this, from 2005 the Royal Institute of Chartered Surveyors (RICS) Appraisal and Valuation Standards book (the Red Book), has issued new advice, that valuations must be based on the ‘market value’ of the asset, not simply the commercial value to the owner.
Celtic currently value their property assets at £37m and could be exposed to a modest depreciation charge.
Three years ago Rangers undertook a revaluation of their property assets, bringing their total value at that time to £119m, a £39m addition. This revaluation saved Rangers from insolvency.
Their potential exposure to a market valuation is enormous, and may well have an impact on any sale or refinancing of the Ibrox club.
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a question for the stat men,
what % of our bookings have been issued by McCurry ?
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Paul et al,
long,long term lurker and have decided to do my first attempt at the blog thing. Reading this blog has been a joy, so time for a contribution.
I was fuming at the decision of the (non)penalty at Aberdeen. So the MIB thinks, ach well the dons are taking a hammering I'll just let them off with this one. It is just not on. I can certainly remember (painfully) in the not too distant past the league being decided on goal difference.
The rules are the rules and should be adhered to, not laughed off. I wasn't laughing.
Celtic will win the League this year, we are too strong and gaining momentum weekly. I have faith, we should all keep it!
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Sir Paul
The financial health of any entity,has a built in thermometer.
This meter will rise and fall in tandem with the amount of heat generated by, among other things.... anxiety, regarding the future.
Something akin to the action of Blood Pressure in the Human Body.
There is a proverb, to the effect ,that when Poverty comes in the window, Love goes out the door.
The Income Figure on any Balance Sheet, does not always..indeed, seldom...reflect/reflects, the Financial Health of that entity.
That main secret to LONG LASTING financial well being, is being able to conduct one's plans for the future, in a Virtual Debt Free environment.
For the amount of DEBT that is carried....and in a SMALL NUMBER OF CASES...NOT CARRIED!... on the Books of the entity, is the one and Only TRUE REFLECTOR of it's Financial well being,when extrapolated into, the FUTURE!
As an aside... Before I even consider investing in any Company... My foist move is to check it's Credit Ratings, at one of the Credit Rating Corporations... MOODY'S, being my favorite, but they are all excellent.
It has been mentioned before on this site, that a small controllable amount of Debt carried by a Corporation, is not an inherently bad thing.
This is true.
To explain my point in a more clearer fashion...
When I mention the woid DEBT, in this dissertation, I am referring to LONG TERM DEBT.
A List, that only Dwells on the Annual Gross or Net Income of a Corporation, is as useful in determining the actual Financial WELL BEING of any Entity on that List, as the consultation of few chicken bones by the local Augurer would be, in assessing it's value.
Long Term unrelenting, obdurate and unflagging.... DEBT, is the Devil in the Details of ANY Company's Annual Financial Statement.
Always,was...always will be... and will ...simply put....
"Get ye, in the end!"
To return to my already mentioned... Company Financial Health Thermometer.
That is an instrument, that I have had built, in a secret lab...many,many, years ago.
It has stood the test of time...rather well.
Of course, I would never... publically ..divulge ALL of the DISPARATE Financial Details, that I Glean from the Annual Financial Report of the particular Entity that has caught my Investing
Interest, as a possible candidate to add to my Stock Portfolio... and then are added to the contents of my Financial Health Thermometer.
However, I can tell you, that right now...the Financial Thermometer of CELTICFC PLC., is INDICATING THAT A HEALTHY WIND OF CHANGE, IS OCCURRING IN IT'S FINANCIAL HEALTH.
The Present NUMBER, that has been Highlighted on my instrument, explains the current Interest that has been ...unexpectedly?..focused on it's shares as being a prospective profitable financial vehicle for investment...FOR THE FUTURE... by a number of SHREWD AND SUCCESSFUL INVESTORS.
Nota Bene.
The SHARE PRICE of a Corp. has nothing whatsover to do with it's Investing PROFIT Potential.
A 70pence Share, if it DOUBLED IN VALUE... reflects the exact same PROFIT PERCENTAGE, as a 60 Pound one would, if it Doubled to 120 Pounds.
In fact,the LOWER the share price.... the MORE POSSIBILITY OF IT'S DOUBLING!
Which is why of course... I am Heavily into SILVER.
But that is a whole other Subject.
There again... I caution that this submission from me in no way reflects an invitation or encouragement, for my reader/readers to INVEST in any of the entities named in this discussion.
I offer ALL of the contained information in this missive, merely as an interesting, Educational Financial Exercise.
Kojo.
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My eyes doth deceive me.....
2 -1 to aberdeen!!??! maluko should have just made it 3... deary me...........
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I'm betting that Aberdeen will lose but I'll be more than happy for them to win. They've done really well so far in Europe and they're doing Scotland proud along with Celtic :-)
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Bazza - was just about to post to that effect. Madness!
Mind you, I've always thought that if Bayern played in Scotland they'd have a decent chance of sneaking into the top half of the split each year.
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I have now been forced to put hollyoaks on...... if aberdeen can keep it tight and sneak a goal, let me be the first to say.... celtic for the Champions League.
Also makes the huns result last night even more laughable ! hahahaha.
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the FA have opened up an enquiry into the january transfer window,by the same QUEST team
headed by Lord Stevens
wonder if mutton or cousin will be under scrutiny
they have also issued a whisleblower phone number,for anyone with information
bahama joe minty, and daniel anyone
iregularies csc
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My dear friend, Bazzabhoy..
Sorry to disappoint.
No... you are far from the foist member of this community, in suggesting that Celtic can/could win the Champions League.
That Honor falls to my estimable Friend...
NUTSY....
Several Weeks ago,
It was announced on here that he had....
Put is money where his mouth is and placed a considerable bet on Celtic to WIN the CL.
As a matter of interest,he has also Bet a small fortune on Celtic to eliminate.... Barca....
You don't know Nutsy...Do you?
As has bin mentioned on here before....
Nutsy...is not the Smartest Smartie in the Tube.. on many subjects...Hence the Name...
But he is a gambler, who has had not a few, blazing successes in the Past.
Kojo.
Yer pal.... who likes ye
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Kojo - If I may be so bold.. what odds on knocking out Barca and odds to win the big cup (Again, just for you ed)
May I be the first to say that rangers will not win the eufa cup.
pen for bayrn.
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I still think McCurry is a cheat,
I might have came across like a stammering wretch, and my point was actually about the disproportionate number of rotten mob games he has ref'd.
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2-2 Bayern penalty, it has taken 55 minutes for Bayern to score 2 goals against Aberdeen, Bayern is a team that has a £75 million more turnover than Celtic, my Champions League Formula from Post 14/02/08 12:29 looks good.
Nobel Prize is in the bag along with the European Cup
CallmeprofessorCSC
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Canamalar
You being a little bit hard on yourself by calling yourself a 'stammering wretch', you hardly stammered, a wretch yes but stammering no.
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I hate The Cheat, but I tell you paul mitchell is not far behind.. Mitch, not you if your lurking, but your namesake, he is a fud.
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My dear,dear, friend... Bazzabhoy...
Nutsy placed his bet for Celtic to win the Cl Cup....in DECEMBER 2007...
He received the odds of 98 to 1 against Celtic, to win the Trophy....
He stands to Win ....
19,000 Pounds if Celtic do so.
Not a bad piece of business......Doncha Think?
The odds on Barca...
He got approx 4 to 1 against (3.8) Celtic to win Next Wed.
I believe he bet 2,000 Dollars.
I will be a Parkhead on Wed. to see the game.
Nutsy will not be there, but his buddy Lou,will be with us ...and will be his Rooter.
Kojo.
yer pal....who likes ye.
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Canamalar
Seriously good on you for having the guts to raise the subject, I was listening and saying go on big man.
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narrowbhoat,
thats the nicest thing anyones said to me all night,
I just wish I did have the stats to hand.
I am happy that I have said it in publc and its now in the public domain for the SPL to be a bit more guarded about future appointments.
HA AS IF.
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Kojo
Our good friend Zbyszek and companions from the home of The Holy Goalie will also be there.
It's gonnae be a fabulous night!
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I got the lucky white heather recently as far as the barca game is concerned.
Gave my ticket away because I am in manchester, guess what, yep thats right, was asked on friday to go to glasgow next wed.
DUH
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I tell ya this site is a bloody education. I just love all this Economic analysis. Must confess, though, I'm far better entertained by posts about the nefarious McCurry and the "bewildering" bookings-discrepancies.
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Canamalar
I don't know if you listen later on but the second last caller really laid into Ned 'Bonkers' Keevins following on from your line. So maybe you have started something, 2 callers today, I feel a groundswell support coming on, a 'McCurry is a Cheat' campaign could only be around the corner.
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My dear,dear,dear friend, El Diego Bhoy...
We are looking forward to a goal fest, from the Bhoys....
And why not?
Celtic are riding the Crest of the Wave...and Barca are down in the Valley.
I am CONFIDENT that we shall win!
Not an unusual Attitude, for my sweet self, to express.
However, a much more preferable one, than its Antonym!
Celtic 81 Barca 0
Kojo.
yer pal.... who is not Always Right.... but is... NEVER WRONG!( Copyright...Fargo...( Circa Nineteen Canteen!)
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I did listen, to see how the little sh^t would twist my argument, he never let me down, for the panel my argument was about McCurry cheating (I know he's a cheat I was not on to try and convince anyone of this), in fact my argument was about the disproportionate number of manky games and the cheat has ref'd, and how the SPL should be ensuring the number of games each ref had, was kept in proportion to stop my kind of argument.
swept aside and keevins got me, I'll never forgive myself. when he asked did I think the cheat was a cheat I was lost. I then had to quote WGS 9 bookings for first offence. snookered and lost the upperhand.
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Edward, just Googled 'ursus' and came up with 'bear'. Nice touch!
Obviously my poor education - I thought 'brunus' was latin for bear.
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Canamalar,
Celtic have had 37 SPL yellow cards.
Mike McCurry has issued 12 of them in 4 games. That means that 32% of our SPL cards have been issued by Mr McCurry in 17% of our games.
Or 30% of his cards have been issued against Celtic players.
Make of that what you will, but it's clear his nonsense performance at Ibrox swamps all the stats.
We can make stats say what we want them to - it's observing the run of the mill decisions and mistakes this season by Mr McCurry which leaves me wondering why he keeps being awarded big games while obviously making bad errors.
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U2, could have done with that stat an hour ago, but cheers.
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Well done Aberdeen. Took me back a few years to when Gordon was in his pomp and the light in the North was making up for Western European defficiencies.
Of course, they weren't up against a CL last 16 team tonight. Something the weekend commentators who forecast a drubbing for them tonight forgot.
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Canamalar
Don't beat yourself up about it we will have the last laugh when we win 3-in a row. Bonkers only has a job because he subscribes to Winnalot Journalism. Sir Minty Moonbeams influence is waning.
Have a good night see your posts tomorrow.
Cheats never win CSC
Sta
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hail hail narrowbhoat
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For all you insomniacs with the Setanta package out there.
Ran Pan is on Rangers TV (The Big Match - UEFA Cup Special tee hee) just now. Why don't you record it now so that you can use it to lull you to sleep later?
Not you Edward, I'd just go straight for the Prozac if I were you.
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PAUL67..... Regards your article
i wouldnt be overly concerned by the engerlish tv money
its all relative.
if we were getting huge tv money in ecosse then skippy mcd , for example, wouldve cost £5M instead of £650k. the more money other clubs see we are earning then the more they know they can charge us.
there is a benefit in the huge money down south as rankers have shown with boumsong and hutton
(£16M REPEAT £16MI££ION !! profit) while possibly winning the league in the seasons they sold them!
Id be looking to move a player down south every 12-18mth if I was in PL's shoes.
remember when engerlish footie was on its knees, post heysel?
how succesful were celtic at that time?
we can and should take advantage of the temporary financial position down south
we are virtually guaranteed a crack at champions league every year.
how do you put a price on these nights.
we can go further in europe by becoming a selling club!!
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My dear, dear, dear, friend Canamalar
A woid to the wise,pal.
Nevah venture onto a CALL IN Program... without a Cheat sheet.
Write everything down that you want to discuss with the Call in Host... on a sheet of paper.
Do not deviate, from your points...
Never allow the Host to diverge from the Thrust of the Argument.
Watch out for Non Sequiturs, which the Host shall attempt to insert into his ripostes.
Ignore them...do not attempt to counter.
Stick to your guns.
Kojo.
yer pal... who could take Keevins apart, in Two Minutes...Tops!
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Canamalar
As always with my good friend Kojo you need to sift the wheat from the chaff.
One word of his will do.
NEVAH.
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Telling you Paul, Fergus should have bought MK Dons when he had the chance and I KNOW he had the chance.
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And if you would like another one from me, for free.
EVAH.
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Shug
Havenae decided whether rubber or leather.
nosleeptonightcsc.
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kojo,
have absolutely no doubt about your verbal ability, and your advice is something I have used in the past, I have chaired meetings with more aggresive wiley sharks than that, but not used to being on air, so found it quite daunting, a failing I will overcome with experience. but then again I'm questioning if I'd do it again, then again, I had two responses to my call and with a bit of luck there might now be some debate on the subject over the coming weeks, if so then the call was worth while, as it will be in the public domain and can not then be ignored.
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Off topic plea.
I might be sent to work in Northern Jutland for a week in April, much to my delight. Anyone know of a CSC there? Or at very least a bar which may show a game?
Miles from Copenhagen, apparently, quite close to Aalborg.
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kojo,
have absolutely no doubt about your verbal ability, and your advice is something I have used in the past, I have chaired meetings with more aggresive wiley sharks than that, but not used to being on air, so found it quite daunting, a failing I will overcome with experience. but then again I'm questioning if I'd do it again, then again, I had two responses to my call and with a bit of luck there might now be some debate on the subject over the coming weeks, if so then the call was worth while, as it will be in the public domain and can not then be ignored.
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Evening all. Very occasional poster but regular reader. Just noticed that Betfair have the Hoops at 4/1 to beat Barca on Wednesday night. Looks like value to me!
KTF
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Jim
Easy. One of each.
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Shug
Can't stop laughing but bare (sp) in mind who we are discussing.
secretservicecsc
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Is a wee critical comment allowed? If, like me, you can only access CQN some of the time, it's a hell of a job to pick up the various strands going on. Ages ago, I tried to suggest that people could try to add a 'referring to' type comment (like re TimDaft @ 10.45 then add your add yr comment). It was taken up by a few but then fell away. Like tonight, I'm trying to catch up and I'm getting all sorts of stuff about Adam Smith and Scotland being the home of the free market (surely I mis-read that?) but I can't track back and join in.
Anyway, just a wee criticism, maybe this is inevitable with the Blogger setup instead of a multi-strand blog.
I still think that Paul has created something fantastic here.
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Good evening
Kojo, as EDB said I'll be at the stadium on that good day. I'm with you on the prediction about the result. I'm almost sure I'll be watching only Glasgow teams' goals.
It's my first trip to Glasgow. I'll be more then happy if the win could be the part of the reward given to those who have shown their huge care.
I'm going to prepare myself for that day and meetings. My oldest daughter have promised to spend at least two hours on English grammar with me. My English will be less funny then. Less funny doesn't mean not funny.You see, after dark night the sunny day is comming very fast.
Besides, February 20th is The Holy Goalie Birthday.
Do you think he will let Barcelona to spoil his fiesta? I don't think so.
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My dear,dear,dear, friend, Canamalar.
My woids on the subject we are discussing, are not to be interpretated as a reflection as to how you conducted your semi altercation with Mr.Keevins and Co.
As you know or mebbe, don't know...I was not privy to your radio conversation, with that Unworthy.
I was merely offering a spot of advice,that you could put into practice,if you decide to face the foe...in flagrante.... as it were or not wear, depending on your outfit at the time.
Kojo.
yer pal.... who thinks yer swell
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kojo,
do you think this was a bit cruel -
I was at the autoteller to withdraw some money last night,
there was a little old lady in front of me, she was struggling with a balance slip an turned and said to me, I'm sorry to bother you son, I've left my glasses at home and need to find out if I have enough money, could you ckeck my balance.
no problem said I
she handed me the slip and I duely gave her a little push, the poor old thing fell on her a*se and I told her, your balance is rubbish.
an oldie but a goldie. still makes me chuckle.
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SeeBee - When friend Edward first came on here as a "bear" he called himself Ursa (female bear)the local Latin types soon put him right.
Oregonbhoy
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Well done to Aberdeen tonight, what a great game of football, end to end and although they may have rode there luck at times the penalty was harsh considering they had a couple of similar shouts in the first half. They showed more adventure in the first 5 minutes than that shower did in the 90 last night!
Apropriate headline in the morning - Aberdeen restore some pride for Scotland in europe after wednesdays show of anti football.
Likeley headline in the morning - Inexperience costs free flowing dons who should've followed the master tactician the previous night.
Paul67, Do you see a way out of the SPL in the coming years?
Celtic at 4/1 next wed is very tempting.
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TimGreen
Is that what you mean ?
Everynow and then CQN goes off on a financial detour-
[not really a detour as explaining Celtics finances was one of the reasons Big P started the blog]
usually as soon as the "A" word gets mentioned-
until-
at some point in the next 60 seconds someone[may well be you] will point out that we are playing Hearts on grass on Saturday.
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eldiegobhoy.
you have mail.
I'm waiting on your answer.
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Barcabhoy, 18:05, thanks for pulling those stats back to the fore.
Welcome swoop67.
Kojo, ha! “not carried” on the books; who ever do you mean?
McGrory for, “We can go further in Europe by becoming a selling club” :-)
See if I said that….
No need for such drastic steps.
St Anthony, agree 100%. If Fergus was still in the building, such plans would be at the top of the agenda.
Fabrizio, 4-1 is a generous price, in fact, 4-1 on is a generous price.
Timgreen, 20:50, an excellent idea, although I think StevieS pinned this one a while ago.
Zbyszek, 20 February is Artur’s birthday? I didn’t know that. It is also my Ryan’s 6th.
Chic05, I don’t believe Celtic have a serious focus on the subject of leaving the SPL. They have tried; pushed hard at the door of the FA PL, knocked a few doors in Europe, but I am not convinced.
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Sky Sports News EPL - "2004 63% of transfer fees went to agents" !! "2007 19%" I've had a few beers watching the Aberdeen game so surely I've got that wrong.
I did know a few agents at one time. I remeber a story told with glee about how a one Million pound internationalist went for 5 Million to boost the agent's earnings. Obviously the managers got a cut. I had always thought it was boasting by the people involved - perhaps it was true!!
Totally unrelated Christian the new Ger went from Derby to WHU for £5 million. I always thought that was a bit over the top for such an avaerage player.
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'GG ( from last night)..
Thanks for posting that CSC in Tampa Bay.
You are a gentleman.
It looks a very inviting place too...
Nice to know Paradise is within reach wherever I will be....
PJ....Who is rubbing his hands in anticipation of Momentum....The Celtic Way.
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Paul67, i'm sure i remember you mention your sons birthday before and someone telling you it was Arturs birthday too(and another Celtic players possibly?).
I cannot believe you dont remember every single comment posted on here!!
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My dear,dear,dear,dear,dear Tovarich... Mr.Z
I am delighted for you.
Will this be your foist visit to Scotland!...(It is... where hiv you bin?..everyboady knows it,but you...ed)( Touchy!Touchy!... who scrambled yer eggs,this morning,pal?)
Now listen...er.. read up...or should it be down?
The above snippets are examples of what you were talking about in your last contribution, pal.
English... she is a Funny Language!( Is that Ha,Ha as in Merriment,or as in Jocularityor as in Risible...or as in Strange or Peculiar or Queer or Incomprehensible...or... Hey! Pick one...any one!....ed)( Exactly!...)
Now when one adds The Scottish Patois to the already mixed mix... Wella.....
All I can say is... Good Luck, pal...!
Now if you understand even half of what I have said...er..written...
Then I believe that you will do alright,after all...
On reading my garrulosity...( Is that a woid?....ed)( Sure it is,pal!...you know me?...would I lie?
'Course I would!)
It is a reflection of my MOOD....which has been generated by our mutually, Anticipated confrontation with one of the best Teams of Europe.
We are so excited and feeling agog....( Hey! Easy! Noo ye are going too faur!....ed)( Just like me...aye willin' tae push the envelope!)
Now,pal...
As ah said... if ye can pass the written test that I have just given you.... as found above...
Then you will have a spiffing time!( There ye go again... kin ye know go five seconds without resorting to a Colloquialism...ed)( Colloquialism is it?... ah ayeways thought it wiz mair in the line o'... in the Vernacular!)
Celtic 123 Barcelona 0
Kojo.
yer pal... who wishes he could conduct a sensible conversation... in English!.... nevah mind... Polish!
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Jim
I'll leave it to you to find your barings. I'm watching us at Ibrox in 1971. Lou Macari has just put us one up.
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kojo,
I did not mean that to sound ungreatful, I respect and welcome your advice.
I was simply disappointed with myself for not using the basic rules for such verbal engagement.
As for me being swell your sherlock like powers of deduction are amazing, however mu usual abstinence over lent should see me less swell come easter.
canamalar your tangential babbling friend.
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Jinky wins it for us with an 89th minute header. 3-2.
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My dear,dear,dear, friend, Canamalar.
Cruel...as in Cruelty?
Na!...
Cruelty, is one of the Basic themes that make up, the Seven Original Jokes.
The others?
Don't ask.. that would be givin' away a trade secret!
But, always remember... pal...
it must always be True,before it can be funny...
In your Joke...
It is so true...that is Hoits!
Kojo.
yer pal... who thinks ye lighten up the Blog...
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Canamalar.
Was listening through the internet as I do every night - can't get Clyde 1 over here in Ard Macha. Every night I tell myself "Never again" as it sets my blood pressure racing - something I can't afford as I have a "dicky ticker" issue. Anyway - as we say over here "You played a blinder", He's a horrible wee sh!te and only one of a number of media pundits yo whom objective. investigative journalism is foreign.
Several years ago - more than I want to remember, I had a rant about him and Charlie Nicholas published in The Celtic View - Star letter no less. The letter caused a stir and Matt McGlone referred to it in the next issue. This behaviour of his - and others has been going on for so long - we have to keep highlighting it.
Way to go Calamander!
I'm off to take some Nitrolingual spray1
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Chico5, I am clearly slipping; perhaps it’s age.
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Mcgroryforasenal does make a very good point about leaving Scottish Football behind.
For all Spurs and Newcastle's TV money they are no nearer breaking into the top four despite Liverpool's lack of form.
As well as increased TV revenue and sponsorship, season ticket prices would go threw the roof.
We are the new superpower of Scottish Football which should give us a better than even chance of entering the Champions League group stage every season. In the Premiership there would be no guarentee of even a chance of Champions League.
Also would we win many honours down south? Thereas just now our chances of winning League titles is better than 50-50.
Sure our turnover would go through the but roof and straight into the pockets of wealthy primadonnas. Also the best players rarely come further north than North London.
So would swapping Champions League nights against Milan and Barcelona for League matches v Man Utd, Liverpool, Arsenal and Chelsea be worth it?
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A trip down memory lane for some of us old enough to remember what some of the grounds looked like.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3961032656017604101
http://footballgroundguide.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=13962
The good/bad old days? I'll leave that up to you to decide.
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lurgan; cheers but I can do much better
kevtic,
I'm surprised at your lack of faith in our team and the possibilities, I for one believe give an even cut we would be competing with the top 4 EPL teams within two years and from then we would be taking silverware regularly including the title. This is not simply blind faith, attracting top players I would not see a problem as there are many who would gladly come, you just need to look at their faces before during and after any CL game to see the awe and admiration of the support, kid yourself not this is a big draw for players, money is important to them but with such funds we could draw the best from all over the world.
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seaBea :- I'm afraid I'm one of those sad folk who love puns :-)
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Mabel
Happy Valentines day.
Tinytim ,who luvs ya.
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~Kevtic
The answer to your question is no.
Celtic are bigger than a bit part in the EPL. We need to be founder members of a new Inter European league set up to compete with the English PL and Seria A and La Liga. The increase media rights will reduce the pressure to sell merchandise and is more likely to return the club to the people than is the case with the status quo.
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Bloke109 @ 2040,
I'd reckon Arhus would be your best bet (going by Celticbars.com, although that's not always up to date). Our man on the ground in Denmark is twelfthman, I can drop him a line on your behalf if you want.
Hail Hail
Balla
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Ha ha twelftman, beat me to it!
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should be an 'h' in there somewhere!
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My dear,dear,dear,dear,dead,dear,friend, Tiny Tim
Wella! Wella!
Ain't you sweet!
Unfortunately, the fair Mabel is not in the office.
She, and the equally fair and endearing Diane, have gone to L.A....to visit some of Diane's ex- College Companions from her Alma Mater..... Loyola Univ.
I will give Mabel a call...and direct her, to view your very complimentary wish.
I am sure she will be flattered.
Kojo.
yer pal... who reciprocates, by sending a cyber bouquet of roses... to your fair and charming wife.
"Happy Valentine Day, Kiddo.... you got a great Husband."
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canamalar
With our global fan base there is every chance we would compete with the top four in England. And below that there is certainly nothing to be wary of.
Celtic's chances of winning regular silverware however would decrease.
Chosing a bad manager would be my biggest worry. Get it wrong and it can set you back years down south.
The flip side would be Europe. Just look at the English results on mainland Europe. They seem to be light years ahead of us in going abroad and winning when expected to do so. Yes we would definately stand a better chance of competing in Europe confidently.
Although would that be in the Champions League or UEFA Cup? In any given season it would come down to one thing - how good a manager we have.
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Awright Balla Bhoy! Hows Aberdeen treating you? I'll bet you were glad to get that ticket in the end!
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Bhoys here is a scary tale about our local hospital, wishaw General.
Two weeks ago tonight my 86 year old mum fell and injured her left knee of a marble coffee table.
She was suffering considerable pain and my wife and I took her to Wishaw General.
Some 4 hours later she emerged with a broken Tibia and a plaster from thigh to ankle.
So far, so good.
At a check up at the Fracture Clinic last Thursday the doctor on duty told her that her leg WAS NOT BROKEN and proceeded to take the plaster off.
She was given a Tubigrip was told that the leg would heal itself and sent home.
By this afternoon, 14 days after the original injury, she was in excruciating pain, the leg had swollen and discoloured and she was totally unable to walk even with the aid of a Zimmer.
I took her back to Wishaw General this afternoon and the doctor in charge ordered a second X Ray.
The result of this x ray was to confirm what I already knew, the leg WAS BROKEN.
My mum had her leg replastered and was told NOT TO LET ANYONE TAKE IT OFF UNTIL AT LEAST 13TH MARCH.
She has had to suffer a fractured tibia and the resultant infirmity for a entire week aided by a TUBIGRIP.
To say I am angry is an understatment.
Please say a prayer for her tonight.
A letter of complaint will be winnging its way to the General Manager tomorrow.
Just had to get this off my chest tonight and really you are the only people I can moan to.
Thanks,
Martin.
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mikeythebhoy
You have taken the question onto a new level.
Would Celtic fans swap the comfort zone of the top of the SPL for a relegation dog fight in a top 16 of Europe's elite?
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Too right twelfthman, good to get in amongst the away support again, especially after the 300 mile round trip to Motherwell and back the other week for no apparent reason!
At least having a game up here meant I could get home before the street lights came on!
Any joy with a ticket for Barca?
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kavtic,
the same applies here, in fact the same applies where ever, so I'd not consider that to be too good an argument. But IMO if we want to be the best then we need to compete with the best and in the richest surroundings and where better than the EPL, another wee consideration is the travelling support who would find it a lot easier and less expensive to travel in the UK.
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Martin42
Like Miss warwick ,"i will say a little prayer for you"
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Martin42
Like Miss warwick ,"i will say a little prayer for you"
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martin,
a frightening story, prayers and good wished for your wee mum, although I dont advocate suing NHS generally, your mum has been lat down badly and rather than a letter you should consider a writ.
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Balla,
Naw mate, no joy yet. I've got a few possibles but nothing concrete at this point. I get into Barca on the saturday before the game and will be spending every spare minute and all my energies in relentless persuit of one golden ticket. I will prevail have no fear!
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That's the spirit, you can't fail!
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Martin42
your mum gave birth to lots of lovely people.
Including yourself. x
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Canamalar :- Part of the problem with the EPL is that they do not want you in it, I think the last time the question was raised every EPL Chairman voted against allowing Rangers and Celtic in to their league.
Another problem I see is that if it's still the EPL rather than a UK League then you could see Rangers and Celtic representing England in Europe and I have to admit I'm not keen on that.
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Martin42 :- The very best of luck in getting an apology from the Hospital, it's an absolute disgrace that anyone nevr mind an elderly lady should be made to suffer like that through incompetence.
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Kojo
Of course I understand your post.
I said English language becouse teachers in schools say they teach English. I know there are many accents of it and many languages we call by mistake English language. I don't think I will speak Scottish after Fabruary 21st, but I'm sure I will recognise it when the first occasion comes.
Pleas, don't think I'm digging, but let me explain you my mistake by showning you your mistake, my friend:) You call me "tovarich".
This is what Poles think about tovarichs, not about Russians. It's a little bit harsh.I hope it makes a smile on your face.
Kozakiewicz gesture
What about the trip? I'm sure it will be great, great time.
I wish we could have a conversation in Glasgow. Never mind about the language.English, Scottish, Polish. Give us a few minutes in a bar. After a few beers you will speak all Polish accents.
Paul. I'm sure your Ryan will have happy 6th birthday.It doesn't make big influence, but his papa will be back late afternoon satisfied with the result of the game.
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Martin42,
My Grandmother suffered smilar treatment in Ireland some years ago and I understand precisely how angry you feel. I'm off to bed now and a wee prayer for your mum will be winging its way to the Big Fella in no time.I wish her a speedy recovery.
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Martin,
That's terrible, God love the poor woman. And I thought the hospitals here in Ireland were bad. I'm sure i'm not the only one who will say a wee prayer for her.
Oíche mhaith.
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~Kevtic
A relagation battle between Celtic and Porto to see who remains in the top flight of the European Premier League. Full house. No question.
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twelfthman
Thanks very much for that - have noted your e-mail if you wanted to delete the post. My trip is 99% at present to be around April 21, and I'm trying to negotiate a Monday to Friday while being pushed into a Sunday to Saturday. It's split-time, so not sure when the games will be - may have to gamble a bit. I see the Champions League semi is the Wednesday - could be interesting. Will contact you when confirmed. Thanks.
Balla
Thanks for the info :) Good to hear from you.
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Martin42 -
My thoughts are with your mother. What a horrible way to treat anyone, never mind an elderly lady.
balla -
Since you are eligible to be a member of the CQN North East Chapter, would you be interested in joining us (LFT and myself, with some non-CQN mates) for a wee game of gowf sometime in the spring once we get something organised? It will probably be in Turriff if you fancy it.
Talking about gowf, any word from taggsybhoy re the CQN 2008 Open?
Lyruc
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Martin42 - Hope GreatGran22 gets well soon.
Hail Hail
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Bloke109, no bother, good to see twelfthman got in there first in person.
Rest assured that the ticket was put to good use on Sunday, cheers!
Balla
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Bloke109,
I look forward to hearing from you.
Don't worry about the Champions league games as my friendly local English pub always accommodate me even if I'm the only one who wants to watch Celtic.
God bless 'em!
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Cheers Curly (if I can use your sunday name!),
may get involvd some time in the future (but only if the standard isn't too high!).
The gowf cues... I mean sticks...I mean clubs have been redundant for a wee while, but have been thinking about blowing off the cobwebs and seeing if i've magically become good at it!
Hail Hail!
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Just trolling through Celtic Cyberspace and came across this
from MonTheHoops
CLICK HERE
Great news for those of us in the Great White North or our Southern Bhoys.
BF
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Ed,
I know about the EPL hostility to us trying to get a game and I dont blame them, I have stated on many sites that if I were supporting a lower division english team I would not like to lose my possible promotion chance to the glasgow teams. As far as I'm concerned the question was purely hypothetical, my answer was concerning kevtic's lack of faith in celtic ability to challange for honours.
As for your reservations about representing the english in europe, this really does surprise me coming from a supporter of the quintessentially british club (rule britania anyone), as for me, as far as I'm concerned scotland has always been very hostile to all things celtic since our inception and I would not have any reservations about deserting this little "mulicultural" backwater and let it stew in its own filth.
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balla -
Drop me a line at turratim@btinternet.com. I don't check it every day, but can get back to you in the next week or so, or earlier if you remind me through these pages.
Bed calling now, these 5 am starts fair take it out on the auld hauns like me!!
Creakin' Clury
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Cheers Curly, will do.
Balla
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Balla
I hope you've fore warned the Dragon's Tooth your bringing the clubs out of retirement!
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It's yerself! Hows the man!
The only thing the Dragon's Tooth was good for was watching the football...was thinking of practicing on the fly and going back to kick some a@$e :)
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Canamalar :- Fair enough I misunderstood your post, I do it all the time. On the second point you mention I don't see any confusion, yes Rangers are a British club and I would have no problem with them representing the U.K As I keep telling some friends down south though there is a huge difference between the U.K and England and I would not want to represent England in competition.
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Balla
Not bad at all.
I watched the New Year Hearts game there, well shot and telling AJ to keep watching, nice one Mick!
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Martin42, I hope you told where to put their tubigrip thingymajig!
I hope your Mum is resting comfortably now.
BF
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....remember it well (kind of)
what's the situation with the car?
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My dear,dear,dear,dear, Kumpel!... Mr.Z.
I knew that "tovarich " was Russian, I interviewed a a Russian Ice Skater,once.... who kept insisting that he was my friend...why did he do that?
I have no idea.... He could not speak a woid of english, and I was way out of my depths in Russian...although, we had a Mutual Interpretator....the Interview was ...well!... let's say in was not a Memorable one.!
I hope that "Kumpel " is acceptable,pal.
Or is it?....
That term was given to me, to use, by.... Vito!
So, let's hope....Vito has not dropped me in the Proverbial.
And that reminds me....
Here is a True Story....
I have a friend who is a Native Born Hungarian.... His name is Pete(Anglisized)
His Mother, who turned out to be wonderful, charming and endearing lady in her 70's,had come over to the U.S. on her FIRST visit.
Pete, brought her to the Party,which we had held in honor of her Visit.
Pete,by the way is a very valuable and powerful client of ours.
So we went out of our way to make a Lasting Impression on his dear and sainted Mama.
When Pete and his Ma, arrived, they were ushered into the room, to cries of welcome from us and the other guests.
Pete was Resplendent in a Tux... His mother was... splendidly coifed and wearing fortune in Diamonds and dressed in a beutifull evening gown...
I stepped forward to greet her....
and I shall never forget what transpired to my dying day....
" Wellcome to America,you are looking well, I hope that you had enjoyed a pleasant journey"
and she said.....
very sincerely....and it seemed rather loudly...
"I LIKE MONEY!!"
The reaction from the listeners and guests... was stupifing SILENCE
And that reaction to her own comment was not lost on the Dear Lady...
Who turned to her son, who was enjoying himself immensely, in having a good laugh at everybody's expense...most of all his own mother's ...who in Embarrassment.... struck him lightly on his shoulder as she said something in Hungarian to him.
We ,of course, were completely non plussed.... Mystified.... Shocked ,would be the correct term.
But being good sports and eager to impress ,we all Politely joined in the Laughter.
Pete, then shamfacedly explained... that his Mother could not understand a word of English....
so he instructed her on what to say, in response to the first obvious greeting that was offered to her.
He told her to say the following...
Which was the English Equivalent of the Hungarian...
" I am Happy to be here in the U.S.A."
But in this case, he decided to play a prank on everybody,by telling her to say...not the reply that he told to her she would be saying, but....
This one,instead,
"I LIKE MONEY!"
Which she rehearsed until she had got it right, in preparation in answer to her first introduction in America.
A Mean and ridiculous prank to play on his own mother....
However...
I can assure you....when I think back at the looks of astonishment and wonder that were evident, on all of the witnesses faces to this Startliing Reply.... I must admit....
It was Hilarious!
There is no danger,pal ....of that trick ever being played on you...
but it is something to think about, if you ever want to liven up a party...
where the guests are mostly a bunch of "Stuffed Shirts"
Kojo.
yer Kumpel..... who hopes that Vito did not steer me wrong, and pull a Pete on me!
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Balla
Dandy ho, fixed and ready to shipped over, 1st of March the day of collection I think.
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Pigskin, spot on, you home that weekend?
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Balla
Aye, Sat morning flight till Sun evening ferry, you be about?
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Anybody know the best way to report a postman ? He's stolen all my Valentine cards again. I wouldn't mind but I warned him about it last year.
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Afraid not, away back to work by then, going to miss the big do on the saturday night :(
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whooosh Yo! peeps what gives?
bedlam is isolated with winter vomiting bug.....
blogger gave me hassle yesterday in the 5 spare minutes i could post...
martin42, well done on the first post, not so good news about mother...
good luck in your complaints...
try here ------------>
Hospital Administration Manager
Wishaw General Hospital
50 Netherton Street
Wishaw ML2 0DP
Phone: 01698 366558
website here...
http://www.hris.org.uk/?o=1001
too tired to do link thingy...
goodnight and god bless
slan
aldo
zbyszeck> dziendobry and welcome!!! good luck on your travels.
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My dear,dear,dear,friend Martin42
Your tale is not one that will make the Nat.Serv. proud, I'll wager.
Without treating the matter,lightly....
The tragic story that you have described ,concerning your dear mother's scandalously inept treatment of her injury, is a perfect example of Adding Insult to Injury.
There is no excuse.... and you know that I never accept any excuse from a Professional,who is presently, practising his trade.
The Doctor(?) who was guilty of making the Wrong Diagnosis, should be immediately reproved and relieved of his/her duties...until a full and complete investigation of the incident had been made.
Meanwhile the guilty offender should be suspended without Pay, while he/she awaites his/her fate.
That is how I would couch my letter of aggrievement and protest at such shoddy behaviour.
I know that your mother will recover...but I am afraid that that set-back in her healing process, is unforgivable, and absolutely not needed.
Kojo.
Yer pal...who sends a Bouquet of Cyber Roses, to yer Mother...... "Happy Valentines Day...mother... Hope you are not too much in Pain."
That is the only
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Martin42
Best wishes and prayers for your mother.
This should not happen to the most precious people in our lives.
Kojo
Your Hungarian tale reminds me of a Scottish friend I had in the Middle East who married a Lebanese lady.
She was a very nice and polite lady and a devout practising Catholic I think of the Maronite persuasion.
Anxious to make a good impression when she was first introduced to her mother in law, she begged Harry for the politest and most respectful greeting she could make.
Harry, who was a joker of the highest order taught her to respond to the initial greeting with
"Poch ma hon" (spelling?)
'GG
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GG,
though labanese only liked other wimmin, was it a marriage of convenience.
I'll get my coat.
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Martin, sorry to here about your mother. Don't be surprised if all your complaints fall on deaf ears - the NHS are good at covering their backside and closing ranks to cover slip ups. I experienced a rather more serious slip up a couple of years ago with no consequences yet to be seen.
In the US, nursing students are taught the art of lawsuit avoidance as a priority ahead of basic nursing care.
In any case, tell your mother there are many people around the world feeling concern for her at this time and wishing he a speedy recovery.
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At 15/02/08 03:39, canamalar
Aye it's a freezing night, you'll be needing your heaviest coat. ;-)
'GG who just put the bin out. Not this one.
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Paul
You got mail. What to do?
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Martin42
Best wishes to your mum and hope she has a speedy recovery. This is not the first story of this nature from Wishaw General i have encountered.
If you don't get any satisfaction from the hospital, contact me if you wish to take it further and arrange to have an article in the press.
GAWF
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The Aberdeen & other mob's result means Scotland go above Turkey into 10th place in the UEFA Rankings.
Securing 10th spot in the groupstage should help with entry to CL for next seasons SPL winners.
Turkey have 2 teams left:
Galatasaray in the UEFA who have to play the second leg away to Bayern Leverkusen after a goalless home leg.
Fenerbache have Sevilla in the CL.
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morning peeps !
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Betfair 39/5 Kilmarnock to beat the Dross. Or 19/5 the draw.
Gotta be worth a fiver on a Kilmarnock banana skin.
Mine is on a home win. Hoping runs in the family.
(and a sneaky wee double 21/5 Derby to beat Wigan)
Not a gambling man normally, but a team - in both fixtures - is due a bit of fortune.
I hope, this morning… finds your mum a bit more comfortable Martin.
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Martin42 give them hell.
Anyone know of a good SAFE boozer near the ground where a couple of foreign visitors can watch the Barca game next week?
They want to be at the ground to savour the atmosphere prior to the game then go and watch it somewhere close by. The have no expectations of getting tickets – Although if anyone has two going spare…….
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kitalba
What are the odds on McCurry booking Barry ?
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Danny:
how far away is Pluto?
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On EURO qualification:
Please be clear the position at the end of the 2006/2007 season determines the country qualification for the euro cluib tournaments which begin in season 2008/2009 !
This means as the SFA was 10th at the end of the 2006/2007, the SPL title winner in the 2007/2008. The current place allocation means next season the SPL winners enter the Champions League at Qualifying Round 3. Unless the Title Holder spot is available. Note for the title holder spot to be available the title holder must have automatically qualified for the group stage ! (ala situation at 2005 CL final where a barca win allowed us to go directly to group stage in 2006 season, but if arsenal would have won we would be in CL Q3 !)
So, the fight for 10th place is important for the 2009/2010 season, however this is when Platinis change comes into place and at that point the teams down to 12th will get an automatic place in chapions league, with the runners up the leagues in positions 7-12 entering the non-champions qualifying section. (along with league 4-6 3rd place team and league 1-3 4th place team !), this will be a hard route to the CL, harder than the current qualifying route !
The importance of this for Celtic is that :
Win the league this year, might get auto CL place, if no auto CL place, win CLQ3, hope rangers fail to make through CL qualifiers, depriving Rangers of Money.
Win league 2008/2009 season, auto CL place. Rangers have far more difficult qualifying route and fail, again depriving them of money.
Overall effect could be self-fulfilling if the money is used wisely for player acquisitions while, appropriate sales are made into the inflated EPL !
BuddyHollyThinkingAheadCSC
PS: This is why 3-in-a-row is so important, and 4-in-a-row maybe more so !
This
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Martin42………………………………………..
Hope you’re mum gets well soon………………….
It reminds of a story, about my mother-in-law………………..
We was in hospital, being prepared for theater……………….. to have a steel pin removed, from her leg.
The surgeon came in with his entourage……………..
Pulled a marker pen from his uniform, and proceeded to draw on her leg, explaining what he would do, where he would make the incisions, etc, the hole 9 yards.
As he finished and was about to walk away…………………….
My MIL kindly said……………………………
That’s all very well…………but it’s the other leg doctor..
BigJoeWhoSTILLcannybeleveITbutITStrue
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Buddy holly,
be very careful about betting on the manky mob this weekend, McCurry is the ref.
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I take it the coefficent is well up this year - Will there be any positive effects re CL qualification in the coming years??
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Beware incoming stereoptypical non-pc tale of the good looking half of the species!!
Do you know what a 710 is ?
A few days ago I was having some work done at my local garage. A blonde came in and asked for a seven-hundred-and-ten.
We all looked at each other and another customer asked, 'What is a seven-hundred-and-ten?'
She replied, 'You know, the little piece in the middle of the engine, I have lost it and need a new one..' She went on to say that she did not know exactly what it was, but this piece had always been there.
The mechanic gave her a piece of paper and a pen and asked her to draw what the piece looked like.
She drew a circle and in the middle of it wrote 710. He then took her over to another car which had its hood up and asked 'Is there a 710 on this car?'
She pointed and said, 'Of course, its right there.'
AND HERE IS THE ....710
Hail hail
Estadio
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Timmy7- Bairds? Or Mcchuills? Not exactly close, but certainly atmospheric.
Mart- hope you're mum gets well soon. Will speak to you tomorrow about it.
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Danny:
Kille v Dross
1.) 5/2 A penalty in the match
2.) 6/1 Killie 9/2 Dross to score from a penalty.
(bookies obviously don’t rate Killie’s penalty takers)
Rather weird when you equate first set of odds with the second set of odds.
3.) 4/5 Killie 11/10 Dross first booking
4.) 5/2 a sending off in the match.
Now the paranoia kicks in, just a wee bit mind, when you try to place a similar bet on any other game in the SPL and there are none on offer. (oddschecker.com/football/scottish)
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canamalar,
I never bet on the manky mob !
I have been spreading the word about mccurry to my colleagues, friends and acquaintances !
as for the country co-efficient, there are a few poor-ish years in the sliding 5-year window, so to maintian a 7-12 position needs a couple of good years to help balance it out.
In reality it is unlikely for scotland to make it to the sixth best country ! It means being better than the dutch, portugese, russians and these leagues have more depth ! Although in fairness to aberdeen they have gone way beyond even their own expectations and will make a diference to the gathered points !
As an aside if in the new access list, scotland fall to 13-15, the champion goes in the champion qualifiers, ie. only teams champions from countries 13 -> 51, while the second place team remain in the non champions qualifiers with the really hard teams.
An example of this really hard team is imagine having to beat the second best portugese team (say benfica) and then the english fourth team (say liverpool), JUST TO REACH THE CL.
Celtic would not find that easy !!
EuroDevilIsInTheDetailCSC
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kitabla
Interesting odds. 5/2 for Penalty sounds a steal.
I'm away to set up an account under the name of McCurry.
PS I see the Interims are out. I'm sure Paul67 is pouring over them.
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Timmy7 & DBBIA,
Think McChuills is closed.
Nearer the ground I would try The Bowlers on Tollcross Road. Now under New Management, two Tim friends of mine.
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Danny:
Whose Interims, ours or theirs?
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Rumours of Mcchuills demise may be exaggerated- I was in last week and it was open, if not exactly busy.
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kitalba
Ours, at risk of stealing Paul67's thunder (though I'm sure he'll analyse, I merely copy & paste) :
INTERIM RESULTS FOR THE SIX MONTHS TO 31 DECEMBER 2007
SUMMARY OF THE RESULTS
Operational Highlights
* Opening of the training centre at Lennoxtown
* Currently second in the Clydesdale Bank Premier League
* Qualification for the last 16 of the UEFA Champions League for the
second successive year
* Continued participation in the Scottish Cup
* 16 home matches played at Celtic Park in the period (2006: 18)
Financial Highlights
* Group turnover decreased by 9.3% to £42.43m.
* Operating expenses increased by 1.5% to £32.52m.
* Profit from operations of £9.92m (2006: £14.76m).
* Profit before taxation of £10.07m (2006: £17.94m).
* Period end total net debt of £6.81m (2006: £15.02m).
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Danny:
I was going to have an early night but now that you’ve shown me that I’ll hang around and see what Paul67 and others have to say on those numbers. Look good to me.
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There are plenty of pubs round CP. The Oak, The Prince Charlie, even the Falcon's nest and Wheatsheaf.
The other and way is to buy a carry out and stand on London Road and watch it on the big screen.
Or the ultimate in comfort, right in the heart of the stadium is to follow this tried and trusted method...Nah now that would be telling!
Anyway, stay at the ground till circa 15-20 mins before kick off, jump in one of the drop off taxis on London Road and get back to the relative comfort of Sharkey's, Bar 67, The Old Burnt Barns, Emerald Isle.
Hail hail
Estadio
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kitabla
To keep you going :
CHAIRMAN'S STATEMENT
I am pleased to report to you on Celtic plc's results for the six month period
to 31 December 2007.
Last year's Annual Report outlined a highly successful year for Celtic both on
and off the park with the twin achievement of a Scottish Premier League
Championship and exceptional financial results.
The challenge that sets the Club
in terms of maintaining standards is a significant one. Even more so since the business environment for football clubs remains very challenging indeed. The
twin pressures of producing immediate success and maintaining long-term sustainability are unremitting. There is ultimately no use buying the minutes at
the expense of the hours. Planning success in both short and long-term is
essential.
Sustaining Celtic's strength in the longer term requires a judicious mix of
financial stability, scouting, coaching and youth development, sports science
and sensible player trading. I believe that we are continuing to make
satisfactory progress in all of these areas.
Turnover in the six months was £42.43m, down 9.3% on the same period's record
high last year, principally due to 2 fewer home matches being played and not
being Scotland's sole participant in the Champions League. Our merchandising
revenues dipped, having had only 1 new strip launch, as opposed to 2 at a
comparable stage last year , and reflecting the competitive marketplace in which
we trade. However, our supporters have continued to demonstrate their commitment
to the Club, with season ticket sales up year - on - year.
Operating costs increased by £476,000 (1.5%) to £32.52m attributable mainly to
increases in football labour costs. The increase in our football costs
demonstrates our continuing commitment to invest in the first team squad,
scouting, sports science and in developing our youth players through the
Academy. Following the end of last season we have invested more than£11m,
before allowing for any proceeds from player trading, in the acquisition of
football players to strengthen the first team squad, which has assisted in
providing success at both domestic and European levels. It has also been
particularly pleasing to see the new Lennoxtown Training Centre become fully
operational, which has led to increased integration of our football operations.
Our retained profit for the period of £10.07m compares with £17.94m last year,
again mainly due to the two fewer home games, a reduction in gains from player
trading and not being Scotlandʼs sole participant in the UCL. Strong cash
generation places our total net debt at £6.81m against £15.02m at the same time
last year. Looking forward, as with previous years trading performance in the
remaining months of the financial year, with fewer home matches scheduled, will
not be at the same level as that in the first 6 months.
Once again this year, our performance has been heavily influenced by
participation in the UEFA Champions League. The Company continues to benefit
financially and in football terms, having reached the last 16 for the second
year in succession. Credit must go to Gordon Strachan and his team for keeping
Celtic at the highest level in European football. As we go to print we look
forward to our next European ties against Barcelona, another giant in terms of
European football history. For the fans as much as the finances it is nights
like this that make a season.
We continue to make good progress in the Scottish Cup, but, disappointingly,
exited from the CIS Cup earlier than we would have liked. Winning the Clydesdale
Bank Scottish Premier League remains our primary and immediate objective. This
is no small task since it would entail winning a third championship victory in a
row, a feat last accomplished under Jock Stein. With Celtic sitting in second
place by a margin of only 4 points, there is all to play for. Your continued
support will be vital in driving towards the end of the season and achieving the
success that this Club and its fans deserve.
We also hope that the strengthening of the squad that has taken place during the
January transfer window will enhance our prospects both on and off the field.
Our strategy continues to be the strengthening of the first team squad within
our financial constraints, and to invest in the long term in the coaching,
scouting and Academy facilities of the Club. In addition, we endeavour to
maximise all revenue streams open to us and manage our cost base appropriately.
In closing, I wish to pay tribute once again to my predecessor as Chairman,
Brian Quinn, who retired at the AGM in November 2007. The contribution he has
made to the success of the Club has been enormous. I wish Brian, his family and
all Celtic supporters a prosperous and successful year.
John Reid 14 February 2008
Chairman
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DBBIA,
I know McChuills is due to close and, when we drove past last Sunday coming back from Aberdeen it looked shut. Maybe it just wasn't busy as you say.
Estadio,
Have you got a ticket for Love Street yet? Might have two spare.
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new article posted.
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Calton T,
May have two spare myself.
Strange allocation this time.
Normally St Mirren is a ballot, but this time it was 1st come 1st served.
Could be last time we EVER play there as well and I also have a feeling in my whisky that it will be on that day that we hit the top of the league again.....never to relinquish it again.... for a thousand epochs......till the moon deserts the sky, till all the seas run dry, till then..... Till the rivers flow upstream
Till lovers cease to dream
Till then .....
Hail hail
Estadio
