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mmm..
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i just thought i'd go for a first. just this time mind.
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just for fun
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Cut off the supply at source then, because these people are doing a very poor job.
Let the club take control and let the people watch the games, paying a TV season ticket fee to Celtic for the privilege.
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Paul67
As someone who lives in London and watches home games on PolSat I'm all for it.
EPL games are available as well so it's not just an SPL issue.
Perhaps all Celtic games should be available 'legally' for viewing.
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after a quick hat trick i'll take the time to agree with paul67. it's important that there is proper control over this issue. i imagine bums on seats are more profitable than the spl contract for celtic, not to mention the atmosphere in the ground. at the end of the day anything encrypted can be broken so i'm not sure that will be the long term solution. who know's? interesting article...
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Couldn't agree more Celtic First.
Can't see it happening, but seems a logical way forward!
The problem comes from the SPL contracts not protecting the clubs, as well as our hands being tied due to the contract in place with all SPL clubs.
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Paul,
Sorry for going off topic so soon here. What is the significance of St Mirren protesting the referee change for their cup game at Dundee Utd. The rev McCurry reffed the first game but will not be in charge of the replay. Why are they so upset by this?
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as someone living in the north of Ireland, I love it!
As someone who cant afford to get over to all that many games (and i try all the same regardless of the fact I can watch them on the box, its not the same, e.g. taking my stag do to glasgow this weekend, so i can knock out 2 birds with 1 stone!)
this has breathed new life into my week. I now look forward to seeing the bhoys almost every weekend, the mrs wont agree with me though.
i think its great, but great things never last...
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12THMAN- St Mirren don't want AFreeland to do the game, as they have' previous' with him.
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Danny, I don’t think a model which allows all Celtic home games to be viewed live in Scotland is sustainable. It will eat into/has eaten into the commercial base of the club.
I sympathise with your plight, but think the only solution is for a delayed transmission of the game.
Twelfthman, they are objecting to the replacement ref, who fell foul of Gus McPherson earlier in the season. I would relegate St Mirren out of principle over this.
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What the SPL has to say about watching the games on Al- Jazeera
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he plays on the left
he plays on the riiiiight
Aiden McGeady
Make the rangers look sh***
Aiden McGeady
Aiden McGeady
Aiden McGeady
Aiden McGeady
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Is this the Arlington Bar on Woodlands Road?
When I was a student it was reputed to be a place where you could get hold of' jazz cigarettes' and other forbidden fruits.
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Agree with Danny.
Lets provide a legal way of showing the games .. perphaps on a PPV for those that wish to follow their heroes but cant make every match for a number of reasons .. money, work/family committments and more importantly location.
I know that C67 covers this in part but surely Celtic FC could make more money outta charging some pubs/clubs a large chunk of cash to screen a match and they in turn can recoup their outlay be charging a cover charge with increased bar sales ... everyone a winner in my eyes.
Also, the 'hardcore' of fans at CP will still attend home games regardless, ensuring a better atmosphere.
Just my opinion.
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It would be great if McGeady were to get the No 7 shirt next season
he would then be No 7 for Celtic and Ireland
OUTstanding
he plays on the left........
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Cut the live feed. Or delay it. Celtic have too much TV saturation with little or no return.
The EPL get away with it because 50 million quid lands their way from SKY. So effectively they don't care to much about live feeds.
I've mentioned previous that POLSAT in particular has been doing us damage for a while now. Celtic must have noticed that supporters clubs season books sales are dwindling as fewer are travelling as they can sit in relative comfort in a pub and have a drink watching the game.
Forcing clubs to decommission their foreign TV stations will not help because they'll decommission one day and recommission the next. As Celtic have acted late in the game so to speak the publicans will be always one step ahead in the game.
Limit the amount of live games or cut off a particular platform which shows the games ie. POLSAT , would do for starters. This would limit most pubs because this is the system they mostly use.
If the POLSAT deal goes , there will be a revival among the Irish CSC's.
Here's hoping as the cost of travel will go down as the numbers go up.
Dominoeffect CSC
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Paul Shun
could Celtic have a case against the league for breach of contract as the league have failed in their duty as you say.
Is there a route for Celtic to therefore set up on their own with regards to TV rights?
Or do the rules state that TV rights must be handed to the league FULL STOP? is this so they can then allocated monies accordingly to all teams?
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Paul/DBBIA,
Thanks. I thought it was a strange one. I didn't realise they had previous with Freeland. I see the SFA have rejected their appeal and St Mirren will not be allowing their players give interviews post match in protest. I expect tensions to be running high for this one. The referees performance will no-doubt be heavily scrutinised.Interesting to see how he handles the match considering one side has objeted to him being there.
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Paul67
It's a tricky one. I like to think living in London excuses me from attending CP for every SPL home game. Though if this country had a decent train service things might be different.
But where do you draw the line ?
I don't know if technology exists where you could buy a watching every Celtic SPL game on TV season ticket.
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I know that as Celtic fans we sometimes overdo the paranoia a little but in recent weeks I am starting to believe the old adage – “Just because we’re paranoid doesn’t mean they’re not out to get us.”
One example of this is the numerous bookings Aiden McGeady has received this season.
League games only:
Kilmarnock (H) 05/08/07
Aberdeen (A) 19/08/07
Rangers (H) 20/10/07
Kilmarnock (A) 03/11/07
St Mirren (H) 08/12/07
Inverness CT (A) 16/12/07
Aberdeen (A) 10/02/08
(Aiden has also been booked in CL and Scots Cup)
Aiden has been booked 7 times in the SPL this season. Celtic as a team have had 36 bookings from 276 fouls which is an average of one booking per 7.67 fouls.
In the SPL as a whole there have been 3806 fouls committed and 479 yellow cards issued. This is an average of a booking every 7.95 fouls.
Going by the Celtic average, Aiden should have committed 53.69 fouls or 55.65 fouls going by the SPL average.
However if you look at the stats on the SPL website , young Aiden doesn't feature so one would have to assume that he has committed less than 36 fouls therefore he is getting booked on average for every 5 fouls he commits. (This assumes he has committed 35 fouls, the actual number may be much less.)
The only player who has been booked more than Aiden is Kevin Thompson with 10 overall. Four of these came in CL and one in the Scottish League Club.
Is Aiden McGeady just very poor at tackling or is there something more sinister afoot.
Discuss.
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big liam, I myself know a few people who have given up the season books, I also know a few people that used the travel over from ireland every other week, and the fact that they can watch it on TV has nothing to do with them either not renewing the season book or not going over as often, and a lot to do with what has been happening on and off the pitch at celtic.
i dont know anyone that would rather watch the match in the bar than be at the game, regardless of the travel and money (if they have it)
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Sepp Blatter suggesting matches in The South Africa World Cup may be played on artificial pitches. Allowing this man to think is clearly dangerous. He must be stopped before he destroys the beautiful game
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OK, I'm ready to join the pub debate now. Why don't C67 or Celtic TV do as Sky or Setanta do and charge different subscribtion rates for CSCs etc than they do private residences? A link to CSCs in Ireland and England in particular, I feel, would encourage those unable to travel to join their local CSC and may goin some way to stemming the tide of people watching the EPL and invariably the big 4. Any revenue generated by these CSCs is much more likely to find its way back to the club than it would from the pockets of a publican
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I wasn't very clear there. Obviously the CSC forms itself around 1 pub in the area who guarantees to show all Celtic matches. The publican benefits from the increased revenue while the CSC pays Celtic for the match.
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Maybe Celtic has to have a look at why punters who have bought very expensive season tickets money that Celtic already has in its coffers prefer to stay and watch it in the pub. This is an extremely serious issue. Celtic are the responsible parties here. It´s like the starling-carling advertising campaign. As soon as they see dollar signs they become horny and myopic.They negotiated the deal and they get a fee from it.If Celtic buisness partners are being allowed to damage Celtics income then Celtic have to have a closer look at themselves and with whom they do business with. If season ticket holders decide not to come to the match and watch the occasional game in the pub then stopping them from doing so might just be the impeteus to stop them renewing their season ticket books.
As with the starling-carling deal this is just yet another example of Celtic doing buisness grabbing the money and not thinking things completey through.
The share price is on the increase so what´s the worry?
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Mort - a few of those bookings have been for dissent, think he picked up a card for that at Aberdeen earlier in the season and his card at Inverness for for that also, that's two accounted for.
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The original danny.
Big Liam is correct about the damage caused to Celtic due to people not going to games etc.
You don't know anyone who would sit in a pub than go to a game! I know quite a few!
I have phoned CP twice to complain about the games beamed live in the pubs. They said there was nothing they could do at that time. My brother gave his ticket up because why should he pay £550 for something he can watch for nothing in a pub 20yds from him!
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Of course at the moment as all TV money is pooled any extra revenue gained from charging for Celtic home games would be split among all the SPL teams so it might be better if it remains free and unofficial.
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The Original Danny, enjoy your weekend.
Lennondinho, I am sure Celtic will not be able to take control of their own TV rights as a result of this failure on the part of the SPL. It’s a tricky one.
Danny, the technology exists (though it is a little ropey) but the legal rights do not reside with Celtic.
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When does the current TV deal expire?
What sort of powers will we have to negotiate our own contract at that time?
...questions...questions...!
I think this would definitely be our best option, only thing is no other club would stand for it as I assume most of the smaller clubs make a large part of their income from these TV contracts, and they wouldn't get anywhere near as much if we're not included in the deal.
I think we need to be in the Premiership.
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Illegal broadcasting has happened for years now. If Celtic can find a way of gettng a hold of all TV rights, they could only benefit.
This would not stop people going to the game. Best nights of recent years has been during European Nights & Ranker games, which are always on Telly. Therefore I don't think this can be blamed for the dwindling crowds or lack of atmosphere!
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Awe_naw_...
please excuse my ignorance, but can you explain the "starling-carling" references?
Cheers
ProbablyBlindinglyObviousCSC
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Paul67...
You answer my second question, and render my first immaterial! How did you do that before I had even asked!
PsychicCSC
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Celtic should (if they have not already done so) consider the St Mirren situation whereby they are formally complaining IN ADVANCE about a particular referee chosen to officiate one of their games. We need to do something surely before the SPL run in gets serious. Coming on here complaining about ref bias AFTER the event is useless, we should be complaining BEFORE the game is played, via the club. Maybe then they would think twice before denying us stonewallers such as JVOHs on Sunday. The ref - still annoyed about that - had a smug grin on his face at the time because he knew he was bullet-proof - and there would be no comeback - ever. We should be trying to change that.
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The original Danny ,
Ignore the fair weather supporters or the glory hunters , the facts are people will not travel as much due to rising travel costs offset by diminishing travellers due to saturday afternoon viewing in the local.
This is based on our clubs last AGM and mirrored two other CSC's AGM's. Fact is we had more people travelling to games when the huns were doing 9-in-a-row. General consensus is that why travel on a cold winters day when you can watch Celtic in a warm pub with a cold beer.
Its all about getting to to see the game. Simple economics dictates that if the game is on TV every week then your need for Parkhead every second week wavours a little.
Lets face it , Celtic Park is lifeless for your normal league game. There is more atmosphere in the pub.
Its being extremely naive to think that POLSAT isn't having a detrimental effect on attendances. To blame the team and the manager is being pretty darn stupid also.
You see the people are giving up their season books because they have other alternatives , they can just order a ticket for the game online when they pick and choose their games and if you haven't noticed every single Celtic game , home and away , is more or less available on live TV.
Less need for a season book.
But if you take Celtic away from the TV for a while ............
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There's a very important case on this (I think) still underway in England. Basically a landlady was legitimately paying for the PolSat service but is still being prosecuted by the EPL. It's going to end up in the European Courts as it tests European trade boundary rules (or something).
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I can imagine someone like Chelsea sending this out but Celtic ??? This email came to me the other day and I feel very insulted. Who the hell sanctions this ?
Subject: Are you still a Celtic fan
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The men's short sleeve home shirt is now only £15.99! Socks start from only £3.20 and shorts from £7.99!
Hurry though, this offer ends at midnight on Friday 8th Feb! Click the link below to order your kit today:
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Hail Hail
Celtic FC Online Superstore
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All this talk about giving Aiden the Number 7, I just hope and pray that he is at Celtic Park next season.
With regards to TV rights, maybe it was a bad idea to not accept Sky TV's bid back in the day.
Paul67, am I right in saying that the clubs dont have it all their own way with regards TV rights and that its policed via the SPL.
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Well Paul, maybe Celtic needs to get their house in order in the UK, but I can tell you that there are no free games in the US/Canada. Over here, the dreaded Setanta buys the rights to the SPL games from Celtic, the rights to the League and Scottish cups from the SFL/SFA, and European ties from UEFA. Setanta then charges the North American Federation of CSCs for the satellite feed, and the NAFCSC then charges each supporters club for the games. As a result, clubs have to charge members to watch the games, in order to cover the charge from the NAFCSC, which pays Setanta, who pays Celtic. Typical fee to watch a game in North America will run from $10-$15 per person depending on the size of the club and the fee assessed by the NAFCSC.
The only time that we get a free game is if there is a “really big” European tie a la Man U or AC Milan, when our national sports network, ESPN might buy the rights to the game, and broadcast it for free. This actually hurts our clubs as fewer people will come to watch the game at a club, and as a result they are less likely to buy a club T-shirt, 50/50, etc.
Anyhow, I just thought I’d share my two bits on the topic and how the games are distributed in North America. Perhaps this will provide an answer to some of the confused European based Tims who have been “shook down at the door” for money before being allowed to enter a club for a game. Of note though, I’ve never been to a club which has charged for burds/bairns.
-KTF
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Rumours are rife that ESPN will buy-out Setanta in the near future.
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Paul,
I found your article interesting and it does raise a few points. I'm not sure what the solution is though perhaps some sort of ppv system for selected clubs and pubs may hel to combat it. I do feel however that added to the attraction of watching the game in the pub there could be another reason affecting attendance, the lack of games with a 3pm Sat kick off. For me it isn't that much of a problem being roughly an hours travel from Ibrox but for many people with a distance to travel in Scotland not to mention England and Ireland then the changing of the kick off time brings a host of problems. A 1pm kick off on a Sunday may be hard to reach due to poor transport links on a Sunday, a later kick off can have the same problem in reverse with transport home being the problem. So although the showing of games in pubs does have an effect I would think that the constant messing about with game starting times also has a big effect. To use an old analogy the clubs in Scotland have acted like the pair of Sauchihall Street tarts, promising anytime, anyhow, anywhere in return for cash and they now find that many of the core support can't manage to attend this money induced change of time. All clubs shold remember that TV money may be attractive but without the core fan who pays into the game and supports the team then the team is nothing.
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georgeiebhoy,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWCazRvsGOs
Us and the Gers. It makes you so proud to be a tim huh ?
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duplicate paragraph now removed
Given that the money from the principle TV deal with Setanta wouldn't buy you a nice leg of Hutton, then the minor deals with foreign broadcasters probably wouldn't buy you 2 jazz cigarettes in the Arlington Bar. Therefore, it is probably the case that illegal feeds from POLSAT etc loses Celtic more money than it gets from the subsidiary foreign deals.
However, other teams in the SPL, excluding Rangers, are unlikely to be suffering (from the illegal broadcasting) since their home games, if they are shown live, are on Setanta and are usually against Celtic or Rangers, meaning that they get big away crowds anyway (one gloriously happy and singing, the other singing happy and glorious). Even if the crowds are lower, it is what they signed up for…. so tough!
Given that, I would imagine that the rest of the SPL would disagree with the cutting off the supply at source since they then lose what little money comes their way from the deal with foreign channels .They may then block that route by taking advantage of the unfair system that currently exists (where if they combine they can outvote us). I don’t know what is involved in encryption but I would not expect it to be a big deal. Is it the case that POLSAT etc….get money from these pubs/clubs etc through subscription or is their service just being ripped off.
Mort, re your research on bookings, maybe referees are carrying out a vendetta against Kevin Thomson (it’s his first name that’s the problem. Maybe he should call himself Ted a la McMinn).
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Poor atmosphere at home games is as much down to poor opposition and the expectation of a comfortable win, whereas the European games are much more competitive and a challenge that the crowd rises to as much as the team...
Aw_naw_etc: "They negotiated the deal and they get a fee from it." If you remember this was the thing that almost did for the SPL - we wanted to negotiate ourselves, the league wanted the collective bargaining arrangement (how else would they sell Falkirk v Kilmarnock?). We get buttons from the tv deal, especially in light of what we (and the Dark Side) bring to the table.
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Personally, the delayed screening of all games would be a godsend.
How about……
CelticTV is withdrawn from the Standard Setanta “Pack” (who watches the other channels anyway?) and becomes available through specific subscription only (i.e. “vitual” CelticTV season ticket OR Pay-per-Game) and screens all games with delayed kickoff (same day though!).
Setanta, would continue to keep the current £10 a month subscribers who have no interest in Celtic, and the CeticTV subscribers would be paying a lot more than that (or on top of that if they want) for CelticTV. Result = Happy Setanta.
SPL/Celtic would in turn charge Setanta more for the screening rights. Surely Celtic could come up with facts and figures to convince the SPL that they would get more from this than the current setup?
Same package could be sold to overseas companies…. encrypted of course :-)
Everyone’s a winner!
No?
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All this revenue lost and we are still recording record profits, the games have been shown in pubs for the last two years and this has been the best financial period in our history I'd bet.
Celtic last year increased my season book by over 10%, did they increase investment in the team by 10% ? NO, they reduced the team investment. They put the cost of a season book well out of reach of a considerable proportion of celtic fans and now they want to cut off the only way they can see the team they grew up loving, I'm all for an efficient profitable celtic,but this is just smacking of corporate greed and cold hearted profiteering to me, as previously stated, celtic took the SPL shilling mabe through no choice, but that was the agreement, if they had invested proportionally the amount they increased my seasong book in the team then its likely the stadium would still be full as it could not have resulted in the fare they fed us Nov, Dec.
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Itzalova,
I've been thinking about that but we'd probably just get done for bringing the game into disrepute..
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Also, being the equal opportunity capitalist that they are, Setanta uses the same model to broadcast Edward's team's games in North America. I think that Setanta really do enjoy the notion of an "O.F." as its good for promoting the physical/competitive nature of football (soccer) which unfortunately too many Americans view as a wimpy sport, ie: no pads. However, if you sat some Americans down to watch some SPHell games with the typical scottish hammer throwers, they would soon change their opinion.
Big Liam,
Do you think that ESPN are interested in Setanta in order to promote football (soccer), rugby, and GAA in North America, or do you think that they are trying to establish a foothold in Europe in order to promote US sports and their own agenda? Or maybe a little of both?
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originaldanny,
What do you mean when you talk about things "happening OFF the field" keeping people away from games?
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canamalar excellent post.
Peter,
when negotiating the last TV deal I think they were influenced by their hope of an invite to the EPL.
I believe that WE are scottish football. Without us they have nobody left to hate. I seem to remember John Yorkston holding a gun to pur heads at the last TV negotating deals. A skint Murray wrapping himself in the saltire all of a sudden and us left without much room for manouvere.
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Twelfthman, 13:11. I'd be keen to read the full transcript of Blatter's comments but, to an extent, this might be one of his few good ideas.
Using the recent African Cup of Nations as a working example, I thought the players made an excellent fist of it on some horrendous pitches. I've no doubt that the quality would have been further enhanced had some of the game been played on the latest astro surfaces.
The latest astro-surfaces are like bowling greens. Quick perhaps, but aren't well-watered grass pitches at the season's start?
Answer me this. When you look at the state of the some of the pitches in Scotland, particularly Fir Park, would you rather play on that or a pitch like the Luzhniki (Spartak Moscow) where we contested a very entertaining game in August (bear in mind the Russian's heavily watered that pitch too!)?
I for one believe there is a place for quality astro-pitches in top-flight football.
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Im interested in how encryption could stop legitimate boxes, cards and subscriptions picking up a signal outwith the destination territory?
Encryption could prevent the signal being hacked at source. It couldnt prevent someone from registering a box and card at an address in Poland - which many companies offer the service for - and simply having the signal beamed back.
The only thing encryption does is scramble the signal until it gets to the box. The box then descrambles it in conjunction with the smart card.
Most of the pubs which provide this service do NOT hack the signal at source. They have legitimate cards and boxes which are registered in Poland - otherwise there would be no Polish commentary.
There may be a case to take prosecutions against certain pubs. But encryption, I suspect, will do zero to stop this.
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Thanks Paul, and Thanks Danny @12:32pm
I now know that despite living in Hampshire and unable to get to many games, I can use my 2nd satellite dish to pick up POLSAT to watch the Home Games. Thanks a Lot! :-)
Yours in Celtic,
Jim.
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An ESPN backed Setanta & Sky battling for EPL TV rights means the price will go through the roof and the roof's pretty high already.
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Canamalar
You hit the nail right on the head.
Expenditure is not just for the fans.
Hope people at club realise that with the exception of the hardcore fans a lot of people didn,t fancy cold afternoons watching dismal fare for the last year.
The small percentage of our large profit spent on our team had a dismaying effect on some fans.While not advocating massive spending every season it was obvious the team had glaring need for strengthening in areas.The choice not to strengthen had an effect on the teams performance and support.
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quiz
I played for Liverpool.
I captained Scotland.
I won a European Cup but not with Liverpool.
Who am I?
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NJ Bhoy ,
It was in the Irish News yesterday I think that ESPN was putting tentative feelers out for a while into rivaling SKY in the EPL market. They want to use the Setanta platform with its links to Virgin Media to plan a foothold and outright purchase of the EPL TV rights in order to gain a foothold into global EPL viewing. The SPL will be non-discript.
I think that other sports will be secondary in their motives for purchase. If Indeed they go about their purchase.
On the Foreign TV channels like Al Jazerra or POLSAT we should Limit the amount of games we sell to these countries in the TV package. It may be out of our hands but court action should be at this end of the spectrum not the pubowners.
Get the corporations first , the distributers , not the suppliers.
Celtic cannot have their cake and it eat with modern technology these days.
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StevieS
I think the off the park is alluding to John Reid.
I know several Celtic season ticket holders who have not been to Celtic Park since John Reid was appointed and will not go back whilst he is chairman. I personally don't agree with their stance, but to each their own.
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scottishleaf,
Ahhhhhhhh!!! Penny drops.
I genuinely had no idea what was meant. Thanks :-)
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Wasnt the Al Jazerra deal to boost moral for our mercenaries in the illegal wars.
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It'll be interesting to see the 'real' attendance at CP this Saturday given the past 2 performances and the new signings.
Another point about watching SPL home games on PolSat in London pubs. There's not that many people who watch them compared to CL and Rangers games. When you take into account the limited venues showing these games it seems to be for die hards who can't actually get to the games.
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canamalar
'the games have been shown in pubs for the last two years and this has been the best financial period in our history I'd bet'
So we should just show all home games live in the pubs and we will be rolling in it? I'm not sure how you link the two statements.
'and now they want to cut off the only way they can see the team they grew up loving'
Again I'm not sure what you are talking about here. Do you honestly think the showing of live games in pubs is a good thing?
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Ciaras Dad,
off course it´s a good thing. Wwy else would Celtic sell their rights if it wasn´t ?
There are lot sof good Celtic fans that can no longer afford to follow Celtic. So much for our social conscience eh ?
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ciara's dad
Sort of sounds like you are saying our SPL home games (except those against Rangers) are so bad that people have to be 'forced' to go along ?
Those 'forced' to go are more detrimental to the atmosphere than an empty seat.
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in right order now
While on the SFA site, trying to cheat my way to an answer to Awe Naw's question, I came across this re U21 game against Ukraine
"Scotland were down to 10 men, with Jamie Hamill and Scott Cuthbert being sent off and down 2 goals to nil with only 25 minutes to go."
Is this another Sepp Blatter initiative or was the SFA extending to the national team Rangers' practice of having 12 men in their team?
PS, I think it's a trick question. Did Billy McNeill play for Liverpool in a testimonial? Or is it not even a football question?
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Annaoan,
Ian St. John
BF
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Aw naw
I understand the fact that I pay my season ticket up front in order to help finance the signing of new players and current player's wages etc. So how does sitting in a pub help the team?
Danny
I'm sorry. I haven't a clue what you are talking about there. Could you explain a little.
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Ciara's dad,
I thought it was self explanatoiry, however,
for the best financial period in our history, games being shown in pus has made very little difference to the profit, but the board are blaming it for poor attendances, finding a scapegoat to replace the real reason for falling attendance re: quality on the pitch, the game will be on the same pubs this weekend, what do you think the attendance will be like, IMO it will be very good simply because how they performed the last two games.
Second point, cutting off the only way a lot of fans will see the celtic.
After inceresing the season book price out of the reach of the less affluent fans, the only way they will get to see a live game is a couple of pints in a pub showing the games, are you advocating that because they are less well off than you they dont deserve to see a live game the only way they can. I'm saying games shown in pubs have little effect on the fortunes of celtic and that it is not as big a problem the board are making out, as I said they have found a scapegoat for falling attendances and have found another way to squeeze a trivial amount, if we reserved the rights to our own broadcasts the there would be an argument, but this is not the case and therefore IMO a smokescreen.
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The current contract runs to 2010 season.
Setanta TV deal
I always felt if Rangers and Celtic negotiated its own TV deal with a 30% share to the team it was playing this would create better value all round.
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Awe naw
Give us the answer please as people in my office now arguing that the answer is not straightforward.
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bigtrainpete,
I agree that the surface at Fir Park and other places is in shocking condition however I would not advoate playing on astro-turf as a viable alternative. Fir park has had home games every week this season and is clearly not able to handle this.
As for Spartaks pitch, I agree it made for a very entertaining game although the entertainment value was added to by some nervy defending that may have had something to do with the speed the ball was travelling at and a cearly unnatural bounce.
As far as Blatter is concerned I just feel he is tampering with some standards in the game without improving it.If players qualify for the world cup on grass pitches they should be able to see it through on grass pitches. Otherwise start the qualification process on astro turf and do away with grass altogether.
Basically, my point is, certain things need to remain as standards otherwise results may be questioned and victories devalued.
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McManus, Please. In correct order. Celtic and Rangers.
It's irritating enough when the pundits do it.
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canamalar
It is not about finding a scapegoat to blame for poor attendances that they want to stop the live games shown. It is about stopping something in its tracks that is detrimental to the club. If we had Sky's money we probably wouldn't be having this debate. We don't. So in the minds of PL etc, live games = loss of income. They know that a trickle of fans watching the games in pubs will soon turn into a flood.
About the fans not being able to go to the games. There are highlights.
Do you think that if all home games are broadcast live in pubs, there will be many people willing to go to the games?
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This coming Saturday I hope to play 18 holes followed by an afternoon watching Celtic on Polstat in a local pub, with 30 other Celtic daft supporters. It's either that or limit ourselves to the away games on Setanta, (which I subscribe to, solely to see Celtic). Like 15 other members of our CSC, I pay for a season book every year, although I can usually only make a maximum of 4 games. Living in Ireland has its advantages, but if you follow the Bhoys, then wherever we get the opportunity to see the Bhoys, we jump at it.
On average, 10 club members will get to Glasgow for home games, several of us dug deep when needed and purchased shares in a club that some only see once a year.
Anyone traveling to Ireland will know that the pubs are saturated with epl games on TV. We are trying to raise the profile of Celtic in our communities, how can we do this without constant access to the games?????
Polstat,Al Jazeera, Setanta etc are our only contact with the team we love.
It costs us approx, €250 for a 2 night visit to Glasgow including cheap flights,reasonable hotel and a few pints. Next week I will get over for the Barca game, which also costs me 2 of my precious annual vacation days. I'm not pointing this out to show how dedicated we are, but rather to seek understanding as to why we use Polstat even though Celtic don't receive finance from these broadcasts.
Surely some enterprising member of the Board could evolve a system of showing games(we don't mind paying)
at a price in Irish bars.
We, who have to suffer the local lemmings as they cheer on their various epl teams (99% NEVER going to see them)as we huddle around a TV watching our beloved; with Polish or Arabic commentary, deserve a break !
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Aw Naw:
1) Kevin Keegan
2) Danny McGrain
3) Ronaldinho
4) Aw Naw No Annoni Oan Anaw Noo
Do I win?
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Madra Rua,
Good call.
ps.Have you ever tried playing 18 hols on astro-turf?
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We could get a sponsorship deal with Al-Jazeera- surely our new Chairman was appointed to grease these kind of wheels?
The Holy Goalie could be the face of Polsat in Scotland; identifying with the great numbers of his countrymen who work here, and who may want to watch his heroics in the pub, and who knows, maybe in time come to the ground and join us in singing his song.
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Ken Mcnaught won the EC with Villa, played for Everton as well.
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