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c'mon the hoops
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that's not bad a first podium and a 1st 1st all in 1 day.
anyway pre blogger hell I stated that Rankers would be happier with a draw at IPOX more than we would.
nothing but a win plus a win and then maybe a draw will be good enough in our head to head trilogy.
c'mon the hoops. Hail hail
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Tontine Tim & Kilbowie Celt from previous thread...
Very sad news about John Cushley.
27/03/1963...
Kilmarnock 6 Celtic 0
Scorers : Mason (8), Sneddon (31), Black 2 (46 & 57), Kerr 2 (51 pen & 80)
Teams
Kilmarnock :
Forsyth, Richmond & Watson,Murray, McGrory & Beattie, Brown, Mason, Kerr, Sneddon & Black.
Celtic :
Madden, Young & Kennedy, McKay, Cushley & Price, Johnstone, Craig, Chalmers, Gallagher & F Brogan.
It is indeed a strange coincidence that both Jimmy Johnstone and John Cushley made their Celtic debuts in this game.
Another debutant, was the goalkeeper, Dick Madden, who made his only first team appearance that night.
He had just won a tidy sum on the football pools in the run up to the match.
I was at the game and I am sure we played in the hoops and they wore their all blue tops.
We took a few doings down there in those days.
I remember being at 4-0 and 5-2 reverses around that time.
We did wear the famous shamrock strip (for the last time)against Kilmarnock in the 1965 Scottish Cup quarter final at Celtic Park in a 3-2 win.
My lasting memory of John Cushley will be him playing in the 5-1 demolition of Rangers on 3rd January 1966.
On a very hard and icy pitch John let the Rangers centre forward Jim Forrest know very early on that he wasn't going to take any prisoners.
An interesting article published the week after that game by journalist Allan Herron
Cushley v McNeill - Who'll be Parkhead pivot?
The simple secret of the Celtic rise to power - apart from You Know Who - is that EVERY first team man must play himself into the ground in EVERY match to keep his first team place.
When a manager finds himself in the position of being able to permutate any 11 from 18 first team players - and there's a lot of hard work to be done to accomplish this - then seven are going to be unlucky.
AND AT CELTIC PARK YOU ARE ONLY AS GOOD AS YOUR LAST GAME.
There is not one first team place at Parkhead which cannot be duplicated by a player of First Division standards.
A situation which does not exist at any other club in Scotland - not even Ibrox.
The story of JOHN CUSHLEY is a clear illustration of this.
There was a time last season when Cushley was playing in the Celtic third team in the Combined Reserve League.
Now he is keeping out a World Cup centre half in BILLY McNEILL, "Footballer of the Year" and the man who scored Celtic's cup winner at Hampden last season.
You can take it from me that Cushley is not playing because of any emergency. He is playing simply because he is a better centre half than McNeill is at the moment.
I thought that Cushley, who will be 22 this month, was one of the best players on the field against Rangers on Monday afternoon - yet you hardly noticed this.
He gave Jim Forrest, a player who has had a fair measure of success against McNeill, a most unhappy afternoon.
Cushley stopped everything up the middle, cut out everything across the field and didn't mess about in getting the ball out of danger.
A stopper yes, but a most effective part in a Celtic team bursting with individual talent and and all-round understanding.
Cushley, a sturdy lad of 5 feet 11 1/2 inches and weighing 12st 6lb is modest.
"I know my limitations. I don't try to play with the ball and short pass it about.
I try and stop them and get the ball out of defence,"
Is he an improved player?
"Oh yes, I must be. I have the confidence of knowing that I'm not just in for one game and out the next.
I'm in on merit and when you get a run in the first team you become more confident."
Meanwhile Billy McNeill, carried off in a league match against Hamilton with a knee injury finds himself fighting to get a first team place.
When I asked Jock Stein the position he told me simply "Billy won't be considered for a first team place until he is 100% fit"
Would he come back at centre half?
"He'll certainly be used" was the answer which would indicate that Billy may find himself at full back in his comeback match.
Frankly, I cannot see Cushley - remember he refused to join Middlesbrough for 20000 pounds last year - being shifted.
He's doing a great job for Celtic and like the rest of his team-mates he knows he has to keep doing well if he has to hold his first team place.
The fight between McNeill and Cushley is only one of the many intriguing aspects of the Celtic cult where the club is mightier than the individual.
Long may it continue.
article ends...
Billy did return to the team in Kiev and played as an extra centre half with John Cushley.
Both of them also played in the League game at Tynecastle following the nightmare trip back from Tblisi.
My half-back line for Ibrox...
McNamee, Cushley & Kurila..
Definitely no prisoners taken!
John Cushley, a great Celt.
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Paul67, I'll not hold my breath on things evening themselves out on Saturday.
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Paul67 - And it's not just playing for Rangers you know.
I'll bet anyone here on CQN £1 million that none of McCulloch, Weir, Ferguson, McGregor or Dailly get booked against Croatia tomor .... oh hang on a minute - someone's trying to tell me something here.
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Evenin all.
On a related matter, I saw that wee mouthpiece Novo quoted today about how he was looking forward to the game.
After his straight red for violent conduct v Hibs, was he not supposed to be banned?
I know he missed the League Cup carved-up Final, but is he not due to miss two others?
Either that or I am talking Lilian Gish.
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Scanning through Newsnow and had the misfortune to come across this article and the picture made me cringe. I haven't read CQN today or todays papers so this was the first I'd seen or heard of this happening. I suppose looking at the ages of the fans involved they would hardly have been born when we were just an hour from going out of business.
>Short Memories?
Feeling more and more confident about Saturday as it comes closer. Sometimes the way we are getting worked up about going to Ibrox you would think we are going to be playing the equivalent of Brazil 1970 at their best. We are not. If we play as we can we will win I have no doubt.
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Paul67
So....
Roy
Castle
Turns
His
Guns
On
The
Huns!
Nice....One.
PS
Thanks
Gordon.
Quality..Post.
RIP
JC.
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James :- re last thread, I honestly don't know if Mr Daily will play next week, I doubt it but thats just my feeling the injury isn't on the official site yet so I don't know how bad it is.
My view though is that every Rangers player should be withdrawn from a friendly squad if we have a big game that week.
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Kojo,
I believe young Wilson re injured himself the game against them earlier in the season, after just coming back.
As I recall they had heavily watered their pitch that day in a deliberate attempt at anti football.
Always a pleasure conversing wit ya!
BF
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Congrats moonbeams on your first!
My apologies for nut megging you on the previous thread.
BF
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Wizard
I passed Ignatius with his family in West Nile Street today - I should have asked him...
porridgeand
These guys were behind the goal, to the left as tv shot, and while far from condoning them, they were indulging in banter with the Gretna keeper who seemed to take it in good heart - he also apparently got Artur's jersey post-match. You're right on the short-memories, and on their ages - the bumble-bee top is probably an heirloom :)
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Edward
I am utterly disgusted by your club's cheating throughout this season - nothing new there.
Also,
please spell Dailly correctly.
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Edward
I posted from the Rangers site earlier on Christian Dailly's injury - it's to a bone on the small toe of his right foot - a bone, not the full bone - I'm naebdy's doctor, but I would have thought it's a relatively minor injury, depsite the Evening Times going big on it as it's major story. The article went on to add that it is expected all players 'WILL be fit to play on Saturday' - their caps, and a fairly confident prediction :)
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EDB :- If ever there are a few posts on this site from me with consistant correct spelling, punctuation and grammar you can be fairly sure it's an imposter :-)
Bloke109 :- I stand not only corrected but embarrassed that you have to point out to me the information on the Rangers site, I only looked at the injury section, I plead guilty to lazy research :-)
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Moonbeamswetdream
Congratulations on your 1st 1st big man
Hail Hail
Mouldy67
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Moonbeamswetdream,
Rosscommon and bull67 must be sleeping
Hail Hail
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Ed
I'll be watching you're spelling in the weeks ahead:o)
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It seems that The Quintessentially Briish Club are only patriotic when it suits them...
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A fascinating statistic, especially given that Rangers are the most physical team in the SPL.
Does anyone perchance have any stats on other teams - or even comparisons between the Rangers domestic and UEFA disciplinary records?
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one star...
Not exactly what you were looking for but on 6/3/08 I posted the following re Barry Ferguson's bookings;
A lot has been made here on CQN & elsewhere about how few yellow cards have been shown to Rangers skipper Barry Ferguson this season. I thought it would be interesting to compare Ferguson’s card tally this season with that in previous years. Before I start let me go on record as stating that I’m a great admirer of Ferguson as a player & would gladly have him in our team.
The following figures cover purely his domestic appearances (i.e. League, Cup & League Cup) for Rangers & Blackburn since making his senior debut against Hearts on the last day of the 1996/97 season (all statistics taken from www.soccerbase.com);
1996/97 1 Appearance 0 Yellows 0 Reds
1997/98 8 Appearances 0 Yellows 0 Reds
1998/99 28 Appearances 7 Yellows 0 Reds
1999/2000 37 Appearances 7 Yellows 0 Reds
2000/01 36 Appearances 9 Yellows 2 Reds
2001/02 29 Appearances 4 Yellows 0 Reds
2002/03 46 Appearances 4 Yellows 1 Reds
2003/04 18 Appearances 4 Yellows 0 Reds
2004/05 36 Appearances 5 Yellows 1 Reds
2005/06 35 Appearances 3 Yellows 1 Reds
2006/07 32 Appearances 5 Yellows 0 Reds
2007/08 29 Appearances 1 Yellows 0 Reds
(as at 5/3/08)
Of course, Ferguson is no doubt a more mature & better disciplined player now but, even so, the reduction in the number of cards shown to him this season compared to others is nothing short of remarkable.
Even more remarkable, however, are the disciplinary figures in his European & International appearances (note that he has never been sent off at either of these levels);
1998/99 10 Appearances 1 Yellows
1999/2000 17 Appearances 3 Yellows
2000/01 13 Appearances 3 Yellows
2001/02 10 Appearances 1 Yellows
2002/03 7 Appearances 2 Yellows
2003/04 8 Appearances 4 Yellows
2004/05 7 Appearances 0 Yellows
2005/06 14 Appearances 4 Yellows
2006/07 13 Appearances 5 Yellows
2007/08 16 Appearances 2 Yellows
(as at 5/3/08)
Of course, we all know the clichés about statistics & I don’t suppose that these figures actually prove anything but, I think it’s reasonable to say;
1. That Scottish referees have historically been more lenient to Ferguson than their foreign counterparts.
And perhaps more importantly;
2. That Scottish referees are being much, much more lenient towards Ferguson this season than they have been previously.
Read what you like into that.
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Bloomin' 'eck, Dick, that was quick.
I have always thought that being captain of Rangers was very much like being captain of England - it makes a player virtually untouchable.
Compare the soft treatment given to players like Shearer, Beckham and Terry with the indulgence given to the likes of Gough and Bazza (and I too rate Ferguson highly as a professional).
Does anyone else remember the scandal when Gough was sent off in an SPL match?
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Cheers Gordon on the John Cushley article, I forgot about the 5-1 game abd big Billy being out since November, I recall a wee bit of grumbling when Billy finally came back intae the team again. BTW for all the moaners oot there Jock had his favourites tae.
As I said previously my da really rated John, he used tae call him Ned as that was John's da's name and I believe he was an official with Blantyre Celtic.
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It was remiss of me to not to mention John Cushley in my last message.
R.I.P. Cush.
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Mouldy67
I am alive and well although you may be right about BULL67.
Ireland went well i take it ?
JVOH and Samaras for you up front on sat ??
Hail Hail
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Headline:Ironic...Humour?
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Edward
Ha - just don't tell anyone I got my research from the Rangers site :)
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In case some of you think that Dr. Reid's silence on recent controversial issues might indicate he is not around.
a week in the life
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PJ
"No deals have been made," said Burley of suggestions that he might go easy on the Old Firm contingent. "Gordon Strachan and Walter Smith have been very helpful. They have a big game on Saturday but they appreciate the international scene is very important and it is my job to pick my strongest team.
That paragraph alone shows that we must ditch the Old Firm tag once and for all.
Very poor journalism that can equate four call offs to one and lump them together.
Edward while I agree with your stance re call offs, but do you think that Celtic would get such an easy ride from the press if it had been 4 call offs to one in favour of Celtic
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Paul 67 said
Celtic’s last visit to Ibrox was marred by a bizarre 9 bookings, so if these things even themselves out over the season we can look forward to a more favourable return this time.
I assume your tongue is still firmly stuck in your cheek Paul.
Only when (SPL)hell freezes over will be see a level playing field.
'GG
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SFTB
Thank you for the Dr Reid link.How heartening to hear him say that those involved in conflict in the Middle East and elsewhere(?)might learn that there is a way other than violence.
How sweet to hear that politics is tame compared to football where salvation or defeat comes in the dying seconds of a match.Speaking of dying the Guardian on Wednesday
informed us that it is impossible to get an accurate figure for the
number of Iraqis killed in the war.US Lt gen Tommy Franks says "We do`nt do body counts.We are informed that this is a lesson from the Vietnam war: Do not count the civilian dead.Dr Reid`s reassurance thatfootball is a more serious matter than life or death is very comforting.
Bloodandgutsisgoingnuts CSC
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If Saturday is going to even things up I wouldn't worry about any bookings. To get to even we would require at least 5 penalties and three goals allowed incorrectly!
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The Daily Smut sports page today reported that George Burley affirmed the Rangers players were extremely disappointed that they were unable to appear for Scotland in the ill judged and badly timed friendly with Croatia.
Burley, speaking to the assembled media in the Crufts room at the team hotel, conveyed the regret expressed by Lee McCulloch that he would be unable to face McManus and Caldwell in training.
Lee has been a revelation for Rangers this season with his 7 goals only surpassed by his 10 yellow cards and 1 red.
“Ally reminded me after Saturday’s game that should my injury clear up earlier than planned, I had to get some early tackles in on the Celtic defenders,” said Lee who picked up half of his cards against foreign competition, with referees who were not familiar with the Rules of the game, Scottish amendments.
“I am sure he was not thinking as far ahead as Saturday.”
The Scotland coach said that his assistant, Terry Butcher, would ensure the Celtic defenders would receive a robust challenge in training to soften them up for the (weekend) game.
On the withdrawal of Allan McGregor, Burley commented. ‘The lad has had a long and tiring season, and many of his games have been played away from home. The team doctor noticed that he had some knee problems, probably attributable to carpet burns.”
The other two Rangers withdrawals, Ferguson and Dailly were unable to report to the team’s headquarters. Ferguson today saw a specialist surgeon, to renew the Teflon coating which prevents referees pinning yellow cards and fouls on him, while Dailly was reported to be visiting a reliquary in search of a holy toe.
From Appropriated Press, Murray Bureau, for urgent release.
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Dick Byrne. Significant stats.
Aye..
& Aye again..
David
Agree. Lumped together in the Telegraph too.
This will be a Battle...On all fronts.
If we win this their Rage will be incan-descent..
sftb @ 00:44
Thanks for that.
Interesting language.
Interesting read.
Only one Candidate
For CQN Word of the Week:
Intervention
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Who will be our penalty taker on Saturday?:-)
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Edwardursus
I put a question to you on a previous post, but dont think you caught it
At Ibrox when you get a corner, what is everyone singing?
I am sure this is UVF, UVF, UVF
Can you confirm?
and if I am correct, what are your thoughts on this please
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i see today's telegraph is saying if Strachan were to walk Mark Hughes would get the job.
I know it is hypothetical but would this be a good appointment?
Mark hughes has a good record in the transfer market, but style of football may not be any better than it is now
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Paul
what's the big deal ?!
With a team including such ball players as Cuellar, McCulloch, Ferguson, Novo, Darcheville, how can you act surprised at the clean sheet on the bookings front ?
I used to think this site was a genuinely mature one where any hint of unjustified paranoia would be dismissed as idel chitchat.
Oh well, you live and learn.
yours
H. Dallas
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antsman
I think Hughes is a decent manager.
He seems a pragmatic type, horses for courses.
I can't see him being interested in Celtic as I think a few EPL jobs will be available in the summer.
Pity, as I don'y thk we are far from being a very good team. We have arguably the best squad in the country, just not performing.
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If Cuellar played for us he would be described as "hot headed Spaniard Cuellar" due to the 3 straight red cards he would have received.
moveonnothingtosee here csc
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Roy
surely you can squeeze "ugly" in there too ?
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Ed -
"My view though is that every Rangers player should be withdrawn from a friendly squad if we have a big game that week."
But don't you think this can often lead to problems, for example the decision to withdraw from the Gretna friendly earlier this season ;)
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malceye
A Rangers supporter at my work calls him Ugly Betty.
He doesn't think he is that good.
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Ian St John once said of a particularly disappointing Scottish World Cup result (maybe a draw against Zaire) "You`d think we would get used to it." The same is true for me of the astonishing slant the Daily Ranger puts on stories.This morning, they have referred to "The Old Firm Five" pulling out of the Croatia game.Like someoe said above, even more fuel to the case of us, at least, never referring to the OF. Of course I don`t put anything into their grubby coffers by actually buying the rag but I have a glance online...no harm in knowing enemy moves. Incidentally, the quintessentially British club are obviously not so quintessentially Scottish and I have to say that recent events are causing me to be much less enthusiatic about the Scottish national side. The rugby team,although having mixed fortunes, are much more passionately supported by myself.
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Can anyone tell me why the call offs from the Scotland squad are being called 'old firm' call offs ? And why Burley is being quoted as saying he has no problem with the 'old firm' call offs as they're all genuine ? We have witdrawn 1 player, the same amount that Derby and Birmingham have pulled out. Why isn't it a Derby, Birmingham, Celtic, Rangers issue ? Only one team has pulled out FOUR players ! We will still have at least FOUR players still in the squad ! It's this kind of media attempt at disguising the Orc tactics that our club should be speaking out against every time it happens. As Archer once said 'they're a permanent disgrace', pity no-one else in the Scottish media has the guts to say the same thing now.
And by the way, I really couldn't care less about the game tomorrow night, I'm just hacked off that once again whenever there's a negative story about them, it's wrapped up in camouflage by lumping us in with them.
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edwardursus @ 2351
If ever there are a few posts on this site from me with consistant correct spelling, punctuation and grammar you can be fairly sure it's an imposter
That would be 'impostor' :-)
There certainly are a number of im-posters on this site, Ed, but you are not one of them.
Anyway, to my main reason for posting. If anyone is interested in providing me with a ticket for Saturday's game (sorry Ed, Celtic end only!) in return for an excellent North Stand Upper seat for either of the April home games v Rangers, please e-mail me asap on 'cqn' followed by '@' then 'neilrobertson.com'.
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Passandmove @5:46
I was pondering that very question yesterday. I would imagine Barry Robson would be keen to hit it if the scores were tied or we were a goal up. If we are more than a goal up I expect to see Artur volunteer.
Therags...
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How weak is George Burley?
His chance to make a strong statement on the pull outs from the Scotland job and he bottled it. He knew it would happen so he should not have named them in the squad – and that includes Celtic players. He should have threatened the players with FIFA 4/5 day playing sanction before the squad was announced. In seeing what has happened to the rangers players (who I have no doubt have been TOLD that they are injured) I must say I am very very disappointed in the Celtic players who have NOT pulled out.
They are effectively saying that this Scotland friendly is more important than Celtics league campaign. What I mean here is that they should have been working on team tactics ALL WEEK for this game on Saturday and not training for Scotland since Monday. The rangers players as we speak are being given instruction on how to beat Celtic, whilst our players are swanning about a plush hotel in their flip flops.
It tells me a lot about our players, their desire and the strength of our management at Celtic.
As I said – VERY VERY disappointed.
How can we expect them to fight on Saturday when they are showing a weak hand in the run up to the game. They should be at Celtic park showing a keeness for victory in Saturday.
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As I have been banging on since January only 3 Rangers players have been booked in the SPL this calendar year. Pretty good for a team described as; rugged, determined, uncompromising etc.
They have had three sending offs. All three reds were unavoidable. Mac Gregor and Novo against Hibs and Mc Cullogh in the league - when it should have been two. I am referring to Barry Fergusons wrestlemania against Aberdeen. Also note that no apology was issued regarding Nach Novo´s two footed legs breaking assault and the SPL have yet to issue any public punishment schedule.
Comparing the likes of Charlie Adams and Mc Culloch booking record for cup games against SPL games indicates that this must be a concerted effort. Alternatively Walter sends his players more fired up for the diddy cup than the SPL.
Concerted players by the Rangers players and staff or the MIBS I´ll leave you to decide. Should I recognise a difference between staff and MIBS ?
Was also interested to hear Murrays most recent spending bombast in the press the day after PL assertion that the SPL schedule should not be extended. So I refuse to believe that PL was unaware of an unofficial request from Sir Minty Moonbeams regarding said schedule.
I am of the opinion that MacDonald who has been pulled from the Australia squad cannot feature for Celtic against Rangers for fear of retribution from FIFA. Can anyone confirm ?
Todays Quiz
Of the five huns withdrawing from our beloved national side. How many will be playing for the true national side on Saturday?
I bet Kenny Dalglish is jealous of Davie Wier. Only Davie can pick and choose when he wants to play for Scotland during his career
Team for Saturday
Boruc
Hinkel Caldwell Mc Manus Naylor
Brown Hartley Donati McGeady
Samaras JVOH
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Lenondinho18 :- This isn't a cop out but I honestly haven't heard that chant at Ibrox, if it were being chanted I would be happy to condemn it. Sorry about not answering last time, I do remember reading it and meant to answer. The only chant/sound that I can think on that I've heard used at corners outside the normal songs is a long drawn out "ooooooh" like the Zulu chant in the film of the same name or the chant by the Germanic army in Gladiator.
I'm not saying no one at Ibrox shouts out paramilitary slogans but it's been a long while since I've heard any concerted chants about it.
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SonsofErin :- The ramifications of that postponement bring the phrase "hoist by your own petard" to mind
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NeilR :- At least I'm consistant :-0
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StGris :- Someone posted earlier that the four day rule doesn't apply to friendlies.
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Oh hello. Is the coast clear?
Good.
Now that we are in the lead up to an important match and you lot are gathering important momentum and collective feel good factor is returning it is time for me to rear my head and start posting lots.
Okay okay ... the result that would make me happy would leave you lot devastated but so what?
And remember, I am really your friend.
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EdwardIrksus :- You say about me "Okay okay ... the result that would make me happy would leave you lot devastated but so what? "
Do you think that's news to anyone on here?
Please post a bit more often, I have missed your attempts at parody.
I suppose it reflects badly on both of us, you because you have so little confidence in your own personality that you hide behind an anonymous parody and me because it actually tickles my ego to see you do it.
btw I don't think I have ever claimed to be your friend, nor have I ever claimed to be everyones friend, what I have said is I'm friendly with some folk I've met from on here.
Anyway keep up the good work, it will give you somethin to occupy yourself until you mature.
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Aye right. They have us where they want us and the MITB will be using full suppressing tactics.
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St Gris,
I'm not annoyed about the players who are in the squad for tomorrow.
BUT
I'm a wee bit miffed about us been tarred yet again with the old firm brush. The media are reporting that there are five OLD FIRM withdrawls ahead of the derby.
The fact is one Celtic withdrawl, four Rangers withdrawls - one Rangers player in the squad and four Celtic players in the squad.
HOW
Can we rid ourselves of the Old Firm tag? So true Celtic values can be acknowledged.
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Ed,
Damn it - i hate being proved wrong.
stamp feet, stamp feet.
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Paul,
Im not sure of the wisdom in your recent articles.
They strike me as being churlish, almost school play ground material.
Are you trying to create a seige mentality? Of course that isnt such a bad idea but I think with these articles a defeatest attitude is starting to take hold. Getting excuses in early perhaps?
We all know Celtic have been hard done by through out their history.
My God, we could go on forever with the injustices. However I think it is making us look foolish constantly moaning about our treatment at the hands of the SFA etc. We just need to make out point about season extensions etc aka SSM, then keep our council and when we walk out at Ibrox unleash Hell.
Returning to injustices real or imagined against our club, I had to laugh the other day when either Ed or Govanrear brought up an example of injustices against Rangers.
Unless I am mistaken the only example offered was the 'alledged' throw-in won by the Bear at Hampden in a Scottish cup final 20/30 years ago.
In saying that I want to extend my welcome to Govanrear to the blog.
Another intelligent commentator from the Dark side. Where will it all end? We're going to have to consider that some Rangers fans are decent fair minded, human beings...
it will all end in tears I tell you.
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corrib04
I couldn´t disagree with you more.
It took Celtic 32 minutes in the last OF game to equal Rangers crime count in the SPL this year and you say "churlish" - gies a brek
"We're going to have to consider that some Rangers fans are decent fair minded, human beings."
Well until we start getting an explanation for this consistent discrimination it would seem that there continual support of Rangers would discriminate them from being "fair minded" is that not so ?
Hail Hail
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chairbhoy,
You will NEVER change the media in Scotland, and the bias that exists.
This was Jock Stein biggest irk, and I know that for a fact.
Incidentally - There exists an order of bias you know.
rangers
Celtic
Edinburgh clubs
the rest of Scotland.
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At 24/03/08 23:57, Blogger Dick Byrne said…
It seems that The Quintessentially Briish Club are only patriotic when it suits them...
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They would not have withdrawn from the England squad.
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Ed @ 11.19
A very unusual wind up merchant in that he is trying to wind up Rangers and Celtic fans simultaneously. Maybe he's a sheepy.
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St Gris,
No doubt your point is valid, I don't live in Scotland so I'm really talking about the BBC and SKY reports.
Don't think there is any real bias in England
SO
It's down to lazy journalism, the English media taking there lead from Scotland.
BUT
Without the Old Firm tag to join us in that unholy alliance, maybe they would look at the odd fact from time to time.
The people of Barcelona know the difference between us
WHY NOT
The people of London?
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Awe_Naw,
I am not arguing against the FACT that we are discriminated against.
Sorry if I didnt make that clear.
I was questioning the merits of Paul's recent articles as we approach the game on Saturday. It seems that many on here are suggesting that they don't think we will win on Saturday, that the deck is stacked against us.
That it is just too hard to beat them with the collective will of the majority of Referees and the SFA/SPL against us. I feel many fans on here have given up the ghost.
I am not sure how representative this blog is of those who will be at Ibrox on Saturday, I suspect those who will be there will be expecting us to win, as do I.
However you cannot deny the amount of pessimism that is around the celtic support regarding our chances of winning this league.
At some point this has to filter down to the players. They know they don't have fair authorities running the game. Surely this must a negative effect on their ability and belief to get something from the game.
We can talk of the injustices all we want but until CFC make a habit of standing up and voicing concerns - and fair dues to PL for his comments - we will always be in this situation.
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Re, the Scotland withdrawals by rangers and their players.
Why, oh why did Celtic NOT do the same?
We have our biggest game of the season coming up on Saturday and yet we have 4 players, 3 of whom at least are more than probable starters on Sat, in the scotland squad, more than likely playing, against Croatia in a flamin friendly!
WHY????????
I am with Edward in this - I would NEVER allow a Celtic player to play in a midweek Scotland friendly when we have any game on the Saturday, never mind what amounts to a Title decider away to rangers.
I would like to ask who sanctioned this at Celtic, as for me, this is tantamount to dereliction of Duty!
When have Scotland/SFA ever done anything for the good of Celtic Football Club?
Why then are Celtic players allowing themselves to be used for the good of the Scottish national team???
I cannot describe how feckin irate I am this decision.
And don't go giving me this , we are better than them and above all that, nonsense. Utter drivel. We, and more importantly the players, should only have 1 priority - Playing for and representing Celtic Football Club to the exclusion of all else, especially when the title is at stake!
HAIL! HAIL!
Token.
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If we had 100% faith in the manager & players would we be going on so much about the bias ?
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corrib04,
'We can talk of the injustices all we want but until CFC make a habit of standing up and voicing concerns - and fair dues to PL for his comments - we will always be in this situation.
Surely by Paul taking a stand on a public form he's doing his bit to stand up and voice his concerns.
I agree we shouldn't run scared or seem overly paranoid.
BUT
That last game at Ibrox was a disgrace.
When Bobby Lennox moaned about Referee bias Jock Stein pointed out Bobby was in a much better position to influence the game than the Ref.
YET
He also said when Celtic play they always play against 12
IMO two very valid points!
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I see McDougall is the ref for the game on Sat. I can help but think WGS comment "get on with it" will be used by Smith to motivate his hoards. I think we should play Robson, Hartley in midefield with Naka and McGeadie wide.
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corrib04,
completely agree with you. I think we have more than a fair chance of beating them officiating permitting.
They are all quite happy to ride their "black sheep tag" if it means them beating us even if by unfair means. Being associated with an innate sense of fair play and justice is ditched in order to experience the joy of beating us. That´s bigoted in my book.
Celtic achieve "despite" of the discriminatory background I agree but if these players cannot stomache earning their living by going the extra unnecessary mile due to this cheating background then they need moved on pronto and we need to find out who they are double quick.
I expect a win or yet another shockingly one sided refereeing performance.... thats why I think Paul67 is right to highlight it.
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Corib04 :- Fair point about the throw in incident, I know in my own case I bring it up not only because all those years later it still rankles but also because I used to know the player involved as he used to live over the back from me and was in my ex wifes class at school, I have mentioned it to him a couple of times and he laughed. Could I also mention that if you can overlook the fact he was a Celtic player Mr Aitken always struck me as a good guy.
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Chairbhoy,
Yes I know, I agree that Paul is doing his bit. He is being far more proactive than myself I admit.
I just think its time to change tack now. Focus on the positives...
60s Rangers 2 Celtic 2
70s Celtic 4 Rangers 2
80s St. Mirren 0 Celtic 5
90s Celtic 2 St. Johnstone 0
00s Rangers 0 Celtic 3
Tell me, what are you feeling inside...Any negative thoughts?
We have to believe we can do this on Saturday. Transmit that to the players.
Perhaps I'm just a romantic. For me that is part of the privilege of being a Celtic supporter.
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My comment above should have ended in an emoticon to show I was being tongue in cheek about him playing for Celtic
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afternoon all - only a few more hours of another monday to persevere.
i don't think we can go into this game with anything other 100% belief that we'll get a fair crack of the whip from the MIB - granted we know this is unlikely to be the case...however my big worry is believing that we go there as (succulent) lambs to the slaughter - unable to face down a hierarchy we believe is trying to keep us down. Look 'em in the eyes as management/players!!
if we approach the game as meekly as we did earlier in the season - we will get the same as we got. if anyone can bring themselves to watch that fiasco again, just watch how often Celtic players lost possession, failed to clear their lines or lacked composure when the did get into attacking areas...issues which recent performances suggest we haven't remedied as yet.Yes McCurry was awful, but there were 11 Celtic players on the park who performed worse than the ref....thats how bad we were.
lets go there confident in our ability to pass the ball better than them, sensibility in when to clear the ball in dangerous situations and accuracy when chances come our way. if we do these things then any bias will be obvious and probably negligible to the result.
AND DON'T PLAY 4-5-1. PLAY THE GLASGOW CELTIC WAY
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Ed,
I suspect he laughed for the same reason I did. The audacity of Rangers players to suggest that they were not being given a fair deal. The irony that that incident probably represented the only time that the players in blue had a decision go against them.
He laughed because it was probably the only time in his career that he got a decision against Rangers.
Lets be quite clear also that this was'nt a penalty awarded against Rangers, or a sending off of a Rangers player it was only a throw in. Quite funny when you think about it.
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corrib04,
No nerves really - it's crunch time, we will know on Saturday who the REAL Celtic players are.
I think we've got enough of them to do the job!
TheTokenTim,
Irate – some how I guessed that through the bombastic tirade
BUT DISAGREE
Maybe it’s because I’m a Scotland Fan
BUT
I think it’s because I’m a Celtic supporter that I don’t think our values should be flushed away quite so easily.
Don’t get me wrong I’m a pragmatist.
BUT
If any player can pull on a Scotland jersey and play at Hampden on a Wednesday and are incapable of putting on a performance at Ibrox on Saturday I’m more concerned about that ghuy wearing a Celtic top than a Scotland one.
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So Cush has gone.
Thanks for the memories John. I remember you as the Bobo of your day. Or the Stephen McManus.
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Token,
I said exactly the same as you at 10:04.
If we can see it why cant the people that matter?
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Going by the blog over the last few days the general consensus of team selection for saturday seems to be
Boruc
Hinkel,Caldwell,McManus,Naylor
McGeady,Brown,Hartley,Robson,
Samaras,JVOH.
All dependant on an injury free
wed night of course
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McManus69
I think that Willie McDougall is the SPL Match Delegate, not the referee!
