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Who eat all the Flies,Who eat all the Flies.
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I will be interested to see if the SH replies to the various e-mails sent to them. Somehow, and maybe unjustifiably, I would have expected better from a so called "quality" newspaper.
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Would the SH print a piece that used the 'P' word in relation to a specific section of our Asian community, or the 'N' word in relation to Afro-Caribbeans?
If the answer is no, could they please explain to us why it is then acceptable to refer to 'bead-rattlers'.
The obvious conclusion is that the author in question has failed to contain his own particular prejudice.
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Spot on Paul,
never quite thought of the sectarian slant on this one, but it is quite clear the press are using the not Celtic Minded phrase and twisting it around for their own purposes.
Hence the danger of using it as some on here have pointed out.
BF
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Hail, hail..
I too sent an email. Don't expect a reply today, it's a Sunday newspaper, so they won't be back in the office until tomorrow.
A number of the senior figures at the SH aren't what you would call sympathetic to Catholics.
It is however astonishing that the phrase would be used, as I pointed out in my email.
I'm a Catholic and have never used the term to describe myself, nor can I think of any Catholic who would do so.
The only time I've heard the phrase used is by non-Catholics, specifically bigots.
In my email, I asked if senior editorial executives had deemed the phrase suitable to use and if so why, because frankly, it's not.
It's a disgrace that this phrase was used, and I would like to think that the Catholic Church was seeking an explanation from the Sunday Herald management.
This example of sectarian language goes beyond football, which is why I'm advocating the Church asking questions rather than Celtic.
It is an absolute disgrace that this column was published with that phrase in it.
Anyway
STANDING UP...and then jumping around on Wednesday night. Misplaced confidence? I don't think so, let's have them at home and give them a doing....
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Strachan has definitely earned another chance, qualifying from the Champions League group stages twice is an amazing achievement, TFOD have just had an exceptional season, instead of fighting amongst ourselves we need to regroup and back our team and manager, next season will be even harder, Rangers will have guaranteed European Football to entice players and money from Hutton's sale along with probably the sale of others such as Boyd and McGreggor will give Smith lots of money to play with... We on the otherhand will have to wait to the last minute to see if we qualify for the Group stages... This was always going to be a dreadful season to lose the league... We cannot blame the board, money has been made available and certainly at the strategic points of the season Peter Lawwell has been well supported on this site by most people posting on it. Strachan should not be blamed, JVOH has scored goals, so has McDonald... they've just hit bad form periods... My only critisism of GS was his failure to sign a quality centre back, but then who was available....?
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Gordon,
After all that has been said and written about Celtic this season alone, I thought nothing the LL and the Scottish meedja at large wrote/published could surprise me.
The fact that this has been set down in print, appears to me to set a new low, even for the Murray
80%ers!
This following on from the recent Big Jock caption in the Daily Retard shows that they are allowed to portray Celtic in almost any manner they wish without any punishment being visited upon them.
I honestly think that the situation in this country in terms of anti-Celtic/anti-Catholicism has regressed 30 years.
Unless both Celtic and we as Celtic fans, start mass outcries against this bigoted bile, they will feel free to carry on in this vein, especially as the "establishment" seem unable/incapable/unwilling to make any public pronouncements vilifying this despicable behaviour.
Celtic/JR/The Board must draw the line in the sand now and let it be made known to all and sundry that we/they will no longer stand idly by in the face of such provocation!
HAIL! HAIL!
Token
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Am commenting on the Sunday Herald elsewhere - anyone know the name of the 'journo'?
(I call him that - he may be looking for employment in another field)
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Bloke109
The name of the offender is Kenny Hodgart
STANDING UP
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Nthing short of institutionalised bigotry and every negative story about celtic is deemed as justification of their stance, hence we are fighting a loseing battle, but one which needs to be fought.
to quote peter tosh.
"everybody is crying out for peace but none is crying out for justice".
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Inkybhoy, have you by any chance had work dealings with the offender?
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inky
Thanks for that. And I agree on your point regarding its use - only ever used by bigoted scum.
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A first time comment from me in West Yorkshire. I follow CQN regularly and am always impressed by the intelligent debate. I'm writing because I find it hard to credit that offensive reference in the Sunday Herald. I've tried online to find the hack-piece it came in but without success. I think I can say with confidence that such a term would never be used south of the border. It is hard to credit.
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Unusual name, that, Kenny Hodgart. This is the facebook for someone of that name.
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It beggars belief that this kind of gutter journalism is published, even worse when you consider that it will likely not be retracted.
But its not isolated. Add this instance to the following:
1. Commentary published under Jim Traynor's editorship not so long ago about Jock Stein
2. Ridiculous cautioning of Boruc and the non-existent police response to the Voodoo banner.
3. Donald Finlay, his anti-catholic jokes and his absolution by the Law Society.
I have long since stopped buying the Red Tops because of their blatant bias and will now add the Herald group to this list. The only way to punish them is to deny them your hard earned cash.
It is for the leaders of both Catholic society and Celtic to make a stand on this type of commentary. As it appears the silent approach has been taken as tacit acceptance when in fact they have probably wanted to suffocate the story with no response.
Its time to make a stand.
Where are the politicians who supported "One Scotland, Many Cultures", when they are needed to support the condemnation of this type of commentary?
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This is a FULL disgrace
Paul shun, I know Celtic are active behind the scenes on many items, as Peter Lawell told me at the AGM after I asked what celtic would do about the Rangers Big Jock Campaign
BUT BUT BUT
This is an absolute disgrace
Surely we should be condemning these things as and when they occur.
I honestly think Celtic need to appoint someone to a full time post to sort all this nonsense out and to INSTANTLY respond as and when they occur
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Cadizzy
Never had any dealings with this Hodgart..and don't really want to if that's the kind of language he likes to use.
As I wrote in my email to the SH, perhaps he is unaware of the perjorative nature of the phrase and has merely picked it up from the usage of others.
If so, then it is inconceivable that no one else who saw that page before going to press did not know the usage of the phrase and it's origins.
Bloke109
I've had the phrase used against me, and it wasn't used by other Catholics.
STANDING UP..agin them aw
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Daily Record a few years ago
10 things Du Wei cud do as he isnae a footballer
1) Bruce Lee Impersonator
I kid you not
Unbelieveable
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Inkybhoy,
What is your thoughts on the latest ABC figures for Scotland:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2008/apr/11/abcs.trinitymirror
Do you think the decline is somewhat offset will the growth on online sales? I see the Sunday Herald sells less than 50k copies. Would not be surprised in they have downsized to reduce costs.
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As I said ont he last thread I have a scanned copy of the article. Can't post just now but will around 6pm tonight if someone else hasn't before then.
Name is Kenny Hodgart and he is also so bold as to have his pretentious I'm-a-serious-high-brow-ground-breaking-journalist posing photo accompany the article.
He looks fairly young. Could pass for late 20s but any age up to round about the 40 mark.
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Think "towelhead" and you have an equivalent term that I doubt Mr Hodgart would use/be allowed to use.
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Just a wee point Paul.
While the Artmedia first leg was indeed a tactical disaster, the overall result, as the records show, was 4-5.
PedanticCFC
Hi Richie. You're not my alter-ego by any chance :)
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See the Sunday Herald article here. Then write to the editor and let him know your thoughts. And perhaps write to your local MP and priest, asking them too to publicly express their thoughts on the piece.
Another article considers the misperceptions of a large section of the Celtic "faithful" as to the failings of the team under Gordon Strachan.
So I ask you to consider a few questions:
Q: In the last 3 SPL seasons, which team has scored the most goals?
A: Celtic (231 to Rangers' 201, and no other team comes close)
Q: In the last 3 SPL seasons, which team has the best defence?
A: Celtic (93 conceded. Same as Rangers but 2 extra games played)
So over Gordon Strachan's tenure we have the best attacking record, the best defensive record, and have won more league titles than all the other teams put together.
Get off the man's back...
Hail Saint Gordon!
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Thommo - Heid Rattler
We're getting it from all sides these days but wur joost paranoid so wi ur.
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McManus69
Most newspaper are seeing declining sales figures. I think the Scottish Daily Mail or Mail on Sunday are doing better than most.
While most newspapers are trying to make money from online, they only make it from advertising, they don't actually charge for reading their website in the same way as you hand over cash at the newsagent.
The Sunday Herald has always had a relatively low circulation, it's a West of Scotland paper, but it probably has good demographics for advertisers.
In journalism terms, it's a poor paper, full of McChattering classes having a rant about something, although I think Iain McWhirter is one of the best political commentators in Scotland. Daily papers don't generally follow up the SH splash.
They had a round of redundancies earlier this year and are due to have another later this year. Newsquest, the company that owns the SH, the Herald and Evening Times is a cost cutting firm, very much based on it's American parent company model of newspaper ownership but I don't see how less staff let's rubbish like this guy Hodgart's phrase through.
It's just very poor and unprofessional journalism, coupled with a sectarian mindset on the part of some individuals.
STANDING UP
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WG,
As an aside, whilst down in Wales last week I tried a nice wee ale to the name of Brains SA (or Skull Attack to give its full moniker).
Seen it down there for years but never actually drank it - until last week.
Not bad at all, nice and smooth and flows down quite the thing.
At 4.7% decent without blowing you away after a few.
You tried this before? I've only ever seen it down there, but can't say that I have actively looked for it elsewhere.
HAIL! HAIL!
Token
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My view on the SH - dont buy it. It really is a terrible state of affairs when a Newspaper can resort to such terms
On the Strachan situation - the stats quoted by "bigchipsuk" is statistically correct
However when we play them on Wednesday they will set up 4/5/1 - no surprise and they will frustrate us
WE will set up 4/4/2 - no surprise and struggle to get behind them
This is the reason why Gordon has to move on he does not have the ability to change us tactically
I agree he has done "reasonable" in his time with us - but Celtic are biggr than just playing 4/4/2
For the record I will be cheering my head of for a Celtic win
I will never boo the players or the manager - but the reality is we have spoon fed them the treble
Hail Hail
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Token -
I've had a couple of Brains beers including SA in the past. The Teser has a Brains keg in the cellar which should be out over the next week or so, canny remember the name of it but will let you know this evening. I'm sure it's named after a man of the cloth - Walfrid's Sligo Slug or something.......
review of Wychwood's Mad Hatter when I get home then more tonight, Last Night of The Hops
WychwoodGoblin
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Token -
for clarification, I've had Brains in Cardiff (always - in fact it's the only city I've seen Brains and NAFOS in the same room !)and ML2 (occasionally as a guest ale in Teser)
WelshdraGon
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Whilst we're at it, I think it's time for the club to end its silence on the BJK bile.
I was witness to a series of e-mails involving a female friend of mine with no interest in football which really hit it home to me.
In the course of forwarding whatever funny joke anecdote was in the body of the e-mail, an intellectual giant from dark-side the dark side had slipped in a reference to 'BJK'.
When asked by one of her friends what this referred to her reply was "I'm not sure. All I know is its to do with a paedophile football manager".
MUD STICKS
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BigChipSuk
Thanks for the link.
Like others I find it hard to believe that such an obviously insulting piece made it to print - would be hard enough to get your head around if it had appeared in 1 of the notorious "Red Tops"- but in a supposedly "quality" paper???
BTW - my local MP is -Ian Paisley ....... but I might fire off a letter and copy of this to my Priest!!
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As much as the Sunday Herald article was inappropriate, the sentiment or the bones of what the journalist in question was trying to make is fairly accurate. Unfortunately The Club has more bigots than it thinks amongst its support as we have witnessed in Gordon Strachan's heavily scrutinised 3 year tenure at Celtic. Even when Strachan won us League titles there was still an element of our support who accepted success grudgingly because of who was at the helm.
Personally i think it's time to find a replacement for Strachan at the end of this season, but that is based solely on what his team is serving up on the park every week.
Had we seen the starting 11 at Fir Park yesterday accompanied by Balde in Defence from January onwards, i'm convinced we would be looking at three in a row.
Get intae them on Wednesday!
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I think the time has come for Celtic Football Club to begin taking these people to task once and for all.
We have one of two things in this sick, twisted little country. We either have the poorest standard of journalism and editing in the whole of the Western World, or we have the most biased.
Neither bodes well.
One of the posters earlier, in his e-mail to The Sunday Herald, offered them an out amongst his condemnation. Whilst I salute the common decency of the effort, I will say offering them an excuse is more than I would have done.
Traynor used that excuse after the Rangers game, to defend the disgraceful sub-editor who printed the Big Jock Crew slur. Before that it was used by the moron on Real Radio who used the phrase live on the air. Are we to accept the same excuse again?
I repeat: we either have the worst standards of journalism in the Western World or a biased media. If it is the former, then truly there is an excuse for why they have continually written such slurs, but no excuse for why they keep their jobs. Are we to believe these three half-wits are amongst what I would surmise is less than one fiftyth of the population in genuinley NOT knowing what these things mean?
This guy has chosen to write on the state of mind of the Celtic support, so he obviously has some conception of what the phrase means. Therefore, he has utterly no excuse at all.
He isn't a great journalist. I've read the piece, and I can say that with my critical eye. But to suggest he is ignorant as well as merely a bad writer is to give him a get-out he does not deserve.
He is a bigot. A sectarian bigot. Remember the face. Remember the name. This man has made his position clear vis-a-vis our fans and our club. He has sought some measure of notoriety, and I daresay there is not a Rangers bar in the land where he will not be welcome and bought drinks by all and sundry.
That's the reward of his fame.
It is up to Celtic to assure there is a price for it too. For far too long our club has allowed slanders like this to continue, without a response from us.
But we DO have power. The club could deny these papers access to our players and staff. They could ban advertising in them, or for them. They could give exclusives to their main rivals and thereby drive them to the wall. Those fans who own companies who do business with these papers could do likewise, because NOT to do it is to support the very people who are waging war on our club.
Too harsh? I don't think so. Do any of you remember a time when it was quite so bald and in your face? Can any of you remember when our rivals were quite so open in their hatred? From the SFA heirarchy to the copy editors in the press ....... our rivals are coming after us.
If the club does not start to act in a way which is visible AND effective, how long until the next outrage? Days? Weeks? Certainly it will not be months, because their boldness is growing.
I am furious right now, as you can tell. Furious. Not simply with the sectarian swine who wrote this and his bigots amongst the editorial staff and upper management of the paper, but at the people who are STILL allowing them to get away with this.
Celtic FC.
Their stance has gotten more militant over the last year; indeed, the last few cases, Caption-Gate and the UEFA complaint, have been dealt with on the official website.
But harsher measures are needed. They are upping the stakes.
So now must we.
Hail Hail ..... Brothers In Arms !
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From Zoom People Info:
Kenny Hodgart lives in Glasgow where he works as Glasgow nightclubs editor for the List Magazine and freelances where he can, having produced work for The Herald, BBC Scotland and The Aberdeen FC matchday programme.
He recently completed an M.Litt in Journalism and hopes to amuse himself over the next few years by writing features, visiting some nice foreign places, and getting into documentary production. Besides much else, he has written about film production, sport, visual art, music and booze, while his reviewing hat has clouded his judgement on many a film, gig, restaurant, cattle show, you name it. The boys at Future Movies agree that Kenny was a leading light in their film studies degree class at Glasgow University, where he also studied Scottish Literature. He claims to be an expert on little, but admits to knowing a bit about Scottish film, has ‘dabbled' in film theory and loves Italian cinema.
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WG,
I knew Brains was a Cardiff-based brewery, just didn't know if it was marketed outside the Principality.
:-) re the NAFOS comment.
Not seen or heard much of him recently since Cheltenham. Is he in hiding after losing his tuppence per race or just keeping a low profile (a Derren Brown-esque feat given Nafos' proportions!) in order to avoid buying a round as is his wont???
Cheers,
Token
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At 14/04/08 16:26, VargasShampoo said…
Had we seen the starting 11 at Fir Park yesterday accompanied by Balde in Defence from January onwards, i'm convinced we would be looking at three in a row.
I would hope so. We would have been playing with 12 men ;-)
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Just sent the following e-mail to my MSP, who also happens to be the depute First Minister:
I wonder if you saw an article by Kenny Hodgart in yesterday’s Sunday Herald regarding Gordon Strachan, the Celtic manager. The article discusses fans’ unhappiness with the manager and concludes by suggesting that: “"Some fans would probably rather have a bead-rattling Hoopy the Huddle Hound in the dug-out [than Gordon Strachan]."
A ‘bead rattler’, as I am sure you are aware, is a derogatory Scottish term for a Roman Catholic which mocks the traditional Rosary prayer.
I was astounded to see such a sectarian comment in a supposedly quality Scottish newspaper, and wondered whether you would raise the matter with the newspaper on my behalf? Surely in a country supposedly of many cultures there is no place for such pejorative language?
Will let y'all know what happens...
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So he works for List does he? As "nightclubs editor"?
Does anyone do business with this magazine, or know someone who does? If he's freelance the Herald will just try and palm it off - we should not let them though - so I think we should concentrate on who his full-time employers are.
We should find out if they know they have a bigot working for them, and make it clear a large and growing number of people likewise are aware of it.
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The Herald printed the article, James, so that makes the paper liable in my book. Whoever it came from, a frelancer or a permanent member of staff, they approvied it for publication.
Of course there's no harm in going after the journalist via another route too.
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Yeah as I said, they will try to use that excuse to slither off the hook, but Celtic must pursue them on the subject to assure this kind of thing never happens again.
They employ copy editors to read for things like slander and libel, and they employ fact-checkers to make sure what they print is accurate. No-one's going to tell me this got all the way through the system without being flagged.
I think it's up to the troops in the main to go after the journalist via another route.
Starting with his employers.
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Token -
hope to see NAFOs tonight although he has been an absentee from recent Monday Clubs, I will pass on your kind regards.
WG
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apart from anything else I wasn't aware that you needed to be a catholic to support Celtic.
Obviously outwith the 'family' nobody else realises this. They clearly think only catholics would support Celtic
How wrong they are
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WinningGemmell :-It's been good reading your beer updates, due to circumstances (tomorrow being monthly pension day) I haven't had the chance to sample as many as I'd like but you have given me a few names to look out for in future and a few to avoid.
TheTokenTim :- I agree about the Brains S.A I drink it whenever I'm in Wales (2 - 3) times a year. I can't say I'm impressed with the rest of the Brains line though it's nowhere as bad as Welsh Bitter, possibly the second worst draught I've tasted.
The worst being Federation Bitter which was the main beer in a few north of England working mens clubs.
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James Forrest,
Newspapers in Scotland don't employ copy editors and fact-checkers. although those terms are used in America.
generally, reporters or columnists file copy, desk editors read the copy, artists draw the pages and the copy is put on the page.
Production editors then get sub-editors to produce the pages in their final form.
Senior people should read the pages before they go to print, particularly to make sure there are no defamatory remarks against individuals. Defamation is the offence in Scots Law, not slander or libel which are English law constructs.
My point was not to give anyone, particularly Hodgart, an excuse, but to show that some people or person in influence on Saturday when they were producing the SH thought this was acceptable, when it's clearly not.
STANDING UP..pedantically, but let me assure you, I know what I'm talking about
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Winningemmell
Enjoy your Wychwood, they make nice Ales, they also brew Brakspear another Oxford beer. Wychwood and Brakspear are both now brewed in Witney, Oxfordshire home of one David Cameron. It is not that far away from where I am in Warwick. Enjoy the beer while you can as Marston PLC has just bought Wychwood Brewery on the 3rd April 2008. A shame for in the 10 years I have been living in the Midlands the I have watched the quality of Marston Pedegree go downhill and I have seen them take over other breweries and turn them into inferior ales from what they were once of.
Another good Oxfordshire Ale is Hook and Norton, near Banbury. Always have a skin full of Old Hooky when I attend the Fairport Convention Festival in Cropredy in August.
Tried a few different Ales on the weekend, there is a local brewery near Warwick in Alcester (pronounce Ulster) called Purity, the make Pure UBU and Pure Gold, they are both Pure P*sh. Too watery and weak avoid at all cost if you are into to flavourful Bitters.
Now I have bored most of the CQN long enough.
Real Ale Clique CSC
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inkybhoy:
You said it mate. Someone in that "loop" knew exactly what the connotations were and let it go.
But I want to say again, I am making no excuses, none at all, for the writer.
This is no ordinary halfwit. This is a bigot, pure and simple.
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Well ghuys and ghals, a sad evening approaches with the end of the fun-filled fiesta that has been the Real Ale Festival. However the reviews will continue till the Festivales have been drained.
I was in a bit of a quandary last night. Having been drinking pre-and-post-match I had to watch my intake at night with work on the horizon. So I settled for three pints (one on the house, one on Arthur Lee and one I had to pay for myself; still two out of three aint bad). The chosen ale was the lowest ABV of those on offer :
WYCHWOOD MAD HATTER 4.2% ABV
Wychwood Brewery, Oxfordshire. Est. 2000
From the programme:-
A blend of Cara and crystal malts provides a delicate red colour with a biscuit-malty fullness, combining with an intense hop-experience - for the slightly madder drinker.
Oh well at least I pass muster for the imbibing qualification!
I thought Wychwood was an older brewery as their products have been in our face constantly since they took off. They exploded on the scene thanks to careful marketing, clever advertising, weird brand names, colourful, attractive labelling and bottling. They never miss a trick, drawing us in with scary monsters, T-shirts, outsize bottles and a succession of seasonal and occasional brews - they go particularly big on Hallowe'en and Christmas editions which is great.
Except......
I think all the beers taste similar, be it Goliath, Hobgoblin, whatever. I also feel they understate the ABV of their beers. All of them taste strong to me, maybe its the hop combinations. Hatter had a combo of Fuggles, Goldings and Northdown.
I enjoyed Mad Hatter but I couldn't do the Wychwood Challenge.
WG
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hey narrowboat
Don't knock the Marstons and my home town.
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Cheers narrowbhoat, what do you think of The Wishy Wychwood Verdict ?
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TheLeftWinger,
Thanks for that. He sounds like a right t0553r. Wants to get into "documentary production" eh?
Hope he ends up working with me. I'll have him fetching my iced-frappe-mochaccinos and driving the talent backwards and forwards to some God-forsaken moor in the middle of nowhere every day.
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also Narrowboat I think Marstons was taken over itself by Mitchells and Butler.
My brewing home was in my opinion destroyed by the Tories and their monopolies and mergers commission that lead to the sale of pubs owned by brewers. This has lead to the rise of great noisy caverns of pubs and the end to landlords who know how to keep beer.
Pedigree being one of the most difficult to keep.
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James Forrest,
Agree. The writer's a bigot, but obviously someone else is also a bigot.
So if you get rid of the writer, there are still other bigots in situ.
It's a bit more systemic or institutionalised bigotry that I'm referring to.
STANDING UP..
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Hence my original post. The club, as an institution, has to be tackling these people head-on.
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WG,
please do pass on my best to NAFOS.
Also can you ask him (assuming he joins you that is) if I can expect to bump into his not inconsiderable frame at Ayr this Friday, as per the last 2 years on Pre-National Friday???
If he is going, tell him if he is lucky I will buy him a pint as I know there is no chance he will buy me one :-)
Cheers
Token
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Usually I just ignore all the media nonsense that is spouted about our great club. Living out of Scotland opens ones eyes to different cultures and beliefs and allows you to keep the often parochial views expressed back home in check.
With reference to the Nakamura banner shown on national and unforunately international TV, I find this an embarrasment to our Nation. How anyone in their right mind could construe this to be amusing beggars belief. What on earth are Rangers FC doing about this? To do nothing condones the message and encourages similar behavioural traits amongst the rest of their following. Their crusade against one of the greatest Celts (and Scots)in living memory is further example of the pond life that frequents Ibrox. As I said, an embarrassment to our Nation.
The article in the Herald is yet another media attack on our club and what THEY believe we represent from a religious perspective. I personally have no religious axe to grind but in this day and age, how can a National newspaper get away with printing this #@$%@.
Look out for more news on Boruc's imminent departure this week along with other exclusive's before the game on Wednesday.
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mncelt
i am waiting for the all out campaign to have the season extended "for the good of scottish football" expect this onslaught after we hammer them on wednesday
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I'm Catholic, a Celtic supporter......yet i understood the context and 'tounge in cheek' manner in which the statement was made. In my opinion there are many on this board who are in danger of falling into the PC mindset which has unfortunatley befallen the blacks and muslims of this country..eg. being offended by christmas, tribunals of employment on account of race, Police scars to tackle blach crime because of the 'racism' stigma etc etc. I do of course recognise the right of others to be offended but is it correct to label someone a bigot in this case. I might call someone a b****** but its who i say it in relation to the offence caused..are we being too precious...i don't know
Cheers
SB
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Apologies for the attrocious spelling in my last post.
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Token (will do re Ayr) & Other Real Ale Cliquers -
that Brains beer hidden in The Teser cellar is called The Rev. James 4.5% ABV
narrowbhoat - Old Hooky's an established favourite, John McPhail ?
WG
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soldierbhoy:
You are a bigger man than the writer. No doubt. But as to your general point, this has offended a huge number of people, as I believe was the intention. It has made the writer a temporary household name, as I am certain was also part of the intention, and I believe the people who are outraged, both on here and elsewhere, are absolutely right to be.
The excuse of "tongue-in-cheek" would simply not wash if those comments had been applied to any other social or especially religious grouping.
Do I think it's correct to label the writer a bigot?
Absolutely. One hundred percent.
Cause that's what he is.
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soldierbhoy,
I agree that there is a lot of PC nonsense about these days, and that representatives of some minorities in this country do need to face some harsh truths, rather than always playing the "persecution" card. I also agree that we as a set of fans can occasionally jump on the offended bus a bit too quickly...
However, in this case I think the term used was really quite offensive to Catholics and should not have been used.
The fact that the term is common amongst the moronic elelment of the Rangers support clearly shows where the "writer" is coming from; the fact that it was published by a supposedly "qulaity newspaper" in this day and age really surprises me.
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Oh my god!
Having read the article from the link kindly posted above, I am totally gobsmacked by the sheer sectarianism of the comments.
I would like to see celtic fc make a press release on this, it's time to tell it like it is in the fashion of Mr Galloway.
If a journalist in the North of Ireland made as blatant a sectarian comment like that then there would be an almighty uproar from politicians and clergy alike.
That is totally unbelievable and more importantly, unacceptable.
That "journalist" should be given his p45 along with the "editor".
Scandalous.
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Wg
Very impressive with the Wishy Wychwood reviews you could write for the Good Beer Guide for Tims. Now there's an ideal career movement.
Pastyface
Agree with you about pubs and landlords that don't know how to keep a pint. When I find a pub where the landlord knows how to keep a cellar I tend to frequent it till they move on.
I know Marston took over Banks in Wolverhamption which I use to like a pint off but it was never the same after the take over. Likewise M&B went strictly into the pub business owning amongst others O'Neills. You don't see M&B ales around here anymore (I don't think they make it anymore), the last I heard the brewing of M&B Ales left the Midlands and was brewed in Wales.
Is Whitney Ox your home town?
Black Country Beers CSC
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soldierbhoy,
Had the writer used a phrase such as "towel head" in a similarly "tongue in cheek" way what would have been the result? PC mock ourtrage or geniune concern at bigotry?
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Oh, and Inkybhoy... from above...
Agree on the McChattering classes crticism of the SH. But Iain MacWhirter? Good political columnist?
Seems to me he just rewrites Alex Salmond's press releases these days!
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I have been getting increasingly disillusioned with the Herald and SH for some time for it's football and other coverage but this latest insult is just too much. I will miss Iain MacWhirter, Tom Sheilds (I hope he doesn't remain silent on this) and Alan Taylor but I will not be buying these publications any more. I was brought up a catholic but am no longer a believer and I am insulted on my own behalf as well as that of those who still believe. The bigots don't differentiate between the two. I will be emailing the Herald when I have calmed down enough to be coherent and I will copy in my old school friend Torcuil Crichton who is a columnist (and a good one) with the SH.
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Narrowboat
crickey no, Burton upon Trent the home of brewing
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mcnelt
can you tell us more on Boruc and the exclusives??
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Italiabhoy are you George Foulkes? He was coming out with this claptrap the other day. Mr McWhirter has only ever been a member of one political party and it isn't the SNP!
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Soldierbhoy (excellent name btw) - I agree bigot is the wrong term. Bigot would indicate they are intelligent enough to have considered things from more than one position and we all know that is highly unlikely.
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My feeling is mixed although i'm not offended by the article i can see why it might offend others. However, the actual thrust of the article i actually agree with!! Increasingly, over the last say 5 years there has been an increase in what i would call ignorants and intolerants at CP. Now they would call themselves hardcore Celtic fans, the heartbeat of the club but their passion for celtic belies a more sinister belief. Those of you who follow celtic know what and who i'm talking about and the recent defeats have only amplified their voice. I guess my point is that i hate a hypocrite. By the way any reference to George Galloway makes me sick the man is a grotesque self promoter who will latch onto anything.
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hello all,
cannot believe this was allowed to go to print, someone posted earlier in the thread a link to a kenny hodgart on facebook.
If you are in the glasgow network, i am, you can view his full profile.It is definitely the same one (check the photos), anyway, one of his interests is Aberdeen Football Club. Going by other messages to him, he appears to be freelance.
Go on, log on to facebook and leave him a wee message.
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dalgety...
I attended an event in Edinburgh a wee while ago at which IMW "interviewed" Salmond. It was one of the most toe-curling performances from a professional journalist I have ever seen. Jim White and Brian Laudrup springs to mind...
His columns since then have been notable only for their complete lack of scrutiny of anything AS does.
I am not partisan myself, and will happily listen to the arguments of all the parties, but I know propaganda when I see it and as far as I can see this journalist is effectively engaged in spin on behalf of the executive (or government whatever they are called these days.)
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The perception of Celtic as a Catholic club is counter productive and the board should be trying to distance the football club from being identified as such.
A positive club-funded media program should be put in place to promote the inclusiveness of the club, this could take the form of advert space on sports channels, Internet, etc.
IMHO religion of any sort has no place in football full stop, the idea for a sporting club may have come from a Catholic but the aim of this club was not to be for Catholics only, but rather to help alleviate poverty.
On the BJK story, I think that this is bordering on a legal knife-edge, it could be argued that this is a libel case, If I was on the board of Celtic I would be investing some of the profits that have been made into a series of legal cases against the idiots who display these banners or peddle this mis-information, in fact the Daily record should have been sued under libel laws for their BJ crew headline, as libel covers not just the actual words written but also the inference of the words. I believe that up to £250,000 can be awarded in libel cases and it would only take a single precedence to open the floodgates.
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ticklingstick.
you can't libel the dead.
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Absolutley, tickling stick...hear hear..
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Pastyface
The Home of Bass (not a fan gives me wind)you must of been weaned on the stuff.
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