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Make that 3-1 to Getafe!!
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Mickeybhoy, last thread,
The Irish Fiddler in San Eugenie ticks all your boxes.
Owned by good Celtic man , Gerry Murphy. Enjoy
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Will some one in the sfa or UEFA comment on the racist banner do you think Paul67?
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Can this season get any worse!!!!???
To all of you who laughed at Sean South and myself and others for suggesting that Smith might have built a decent team in the summer- look at the disaster unfolding before out eyes!!!
I know there is nothing we can do about their UEFA run, but the underestimating of them by everyone at Celtic Park- from PL, to WGS to even Paul67 (not so many snidey articles about Carlo Cuellar now, eh Paul?) has been, in my view, criminal, and has contributed to our lacadaisical, effortless, listless, spineless season.
I am furious at the moment. Furious that they are in a European semi with every chance of a final appearance and of winning it.
Furious that from a position of strength we have let them run over the hill and miles miles away from us.
Furious that a bit more humility and sensible thinkng from those in power could have had us ahead of them- or much closer to them- in the SPL.
Now, thanks to our spinelessness, they can concentrate of Europe.
Tonight is a disaster for us.
Gutted.
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Getafe must be wishing for that ridiculous golden goal rule or was it silver goal I can't remember. Wish I hadn't started this
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And a few injuries... God willing.
Just how jammy are they? even smith was looking concerned.
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Ferguson and Thomson out of Fiorentina game. Fiorentina 4th in a strong Serie A. Vieri and Mutu up front. Now that would be a shock and if they overcome all that then they will face Zenit or Gefate. Gefate loko favourites and have a talented young manager...
The Motherwell result really does stick in the throat now.
Sources say that season extension has been pre-agreed and will be anounced soon.
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bazzabhoy - maybe that fud from the Sun who forwarded UEFA the tapes of some of our Bhoys is already,as we speak,mailing some footage of it to them - heh??- nah maybe not!!
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What makes it worse is that the way they approached this tie was exactly the way everyone knew they would, apart from it seems Sporting Lisbon. Don't concede at home, hit on the break away.
It's anti-football alright. But it works.
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sixoclock - aye, that'll be the day mate.
God, I hate them.
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nae bread... I'm afraid I am not sure you can say our players are better than theirs.
Not on the evidence of this season they aren't.
And if they are- well, what a damning indictment of our manager.
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I expect that all of us will be feeling more than happy that dear old Walter is finally on the verge of getting that unable to succeed in Europe monkey of his back. Just think he may very well exceed the feats of the Blessed Martin. I'm off to contemplate what may well be my chosen form of hari kari.
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Paul67
I despondently agree; the fixture congestion will not help us at all. We have better players; they have shown they have the more tactically astute manager. Am I allowed to do the teenage 'FACT!' ?
I am sure Smith makes football simple for his players, I suspect Gordon makes it too complex prepping them like they are playing chess Vs Bobby Fisher when its not chess, its bl**dy football. The man maybe thinks too much.
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What's the odds on a wee helping hand for the fixture position - for the good of Scottish football, don't you know. And of course they have never asked for it...
An announcement will be coming sometime soon I'm sure.
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Time to dust off the old Fiorentina scarf.
Forza Viola!
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Hail Hail
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There would be no solace to be had anyway in fixture congestion.
Expect the announcement of the season extension very soon.
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Lets get this clear - wining breads confidence and confidence gets results.
This has made Rangers even stronger favourites for the title. There is no disputing this - average players are performing above average due to one thing - confidence!
Now I will say this - it is dangerous to build so much on so little. f that confidence were to be dented - say by a Celtic win on Wed then cracks WOULD start to appear. Sadest thing of all is that our cracks appeared a while ago and are now mineshafts.
Unfortunately - there are some things brewing under the surface at Celtic that will not allow us to capitalise.
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GordonJ,
The club must stand firm and oppose an extension to the season. Who cares the opprobrium that will come our way?
Rangers winning the UEFA would be a calamity for us. An utter calamity. No-one employed by Celtic can make this any easier for them. No-one.
If Lawwell has agreed to an extension, then I will consider that a resigning matter.
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italiabhoy
dimwiturus
areyouthechairperson? clown.
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I just don't know how they can possible extend the season. I know Scotland aren't going to the Euro's but surely UEFA will be forced by member nations who are going to do something.
Poland
Germany
Netherlands
Greece
etc
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Before we qualified for the CL last 16 that littLe devil inside said " get a UEFA Cup run", forget the CL.
If only.
Tonight has again shown what you can do with limited ability and little flair.
Organisation, aggression amd playing to your strengths. At least Rangers don't overcomplicate the game!
Some people at Celtic should take note.
Let's make their next visit to CP as tough as we dare for Scotland's co-efficient battlers.
I just hope Fiorentina don't drop some players as they are looking to CL qualification.
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Thank god for Celticquicknews. A safe haven from the bigoted scottish press. We had the V theory, the huns must now have they're green theory, except fiorentina play in purple so GIRUT.
This means we can go top of the league i believe, assuming we win the next 3 games. When alls said and down, maybe strachan should stay.
3 in a row!!!!!
yeeaaaahhh bhoyeeeeee
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ElDiego, sorry could you repost in something approximating English?
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el diego bhoy
i look forward to the day you have anything worth reading on this site
bobo the mercenary indeed
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this blogger is rubbish i tried posting to mikeybhoy and it got lost twice i emailed you instead regarding the pubs you have the irish fiddler and just round the corner the irish rover 2 good celtic pubs my mother goes out tommorrow aswell
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I see there's a modern day Celtic fan playing in the masters
Boo Weekley
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Italiabhoy - Do we,or indeed any other SPL club have a say in that matter?? -ie Extension to the season?? -or can the SPL just announce an extension and that's it?
If it can be opposed -then 100% agree with you -this must be opposed tooth and nail by everyone at Celtic Park.
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Bazza, I missed the banner (and often find a use for such information), what did it say?
Italiabhoy, have I wronged you sometime in the past?
In the last transfer window when I published a correct Celtic transfer story you accuse me of acting like a tabloid, now I publish “snidey articles” about Cuellar.
Find me one.
I don’t recall expressing a single view of the player here (which I reserve the right to do), although I remember mentioning his appearance record (accurately).
If I have wronged you, tell me when, if not, get over your fascination with things I write very little, if anything, about.
I also find your comment incongruous. Last May I was perhaps the first person to say Rangers had as good a chance of winning the league this season as we had.
I said they would spend big and strengthen and they did. If anyone underestimate them it was not me. I look forward to your retraction.
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ItaliaBhoy
No.
And you remain a dimwit. LOL.
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Paul according to other fan sites the banner said
Nakamura eat my dog
charming. As somebody said earlier must be a Rangers approved banner
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Bayern score with 5 minutes to go. 1 more and they would go through
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ThomTheTim,
good call. just google-mapped it and it appears to be about 200m from the hotel we're staying in (Esmeralda)
Cheers
MikeyBhoy
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sixo'clock,
I don't know, but I would assume that all Ranger's post-split opponents would have a say in whether it went ahead. In reality, most would probably accede to them for a quiet life (aka "the good of Scottish football").
If we were to make a stand I am sure it would be difficult for the SPL to ignore us. We would certainly have a good case for going to UEFA.
However we would be castigated by most of the country. It would be a "flag debate" for the 21st century. Celtic stood alone then, and history has shown that we were right. I would hope that Lawwell would have the cojones to stand firm, as did Bob Kelly all those years ago.
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C'mon Bayern!!
We need another strong team in the other semi-final in case the unthinkable happens and somehow they get past Fiorentina.
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Luca Toni scores again to make it 3-3 in Spain
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mikeybhoy
esmeralda is good hotel just beware there is hun shop round the corner called bobins does the horses horrible place the irish rover does the gambling too
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Bayern go through 4-4 final score
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Mickeybhoy,
Lucky you. My mate will be out there at the same time. Ask Gerry to point out Neilly from Annagry and say hello from me.
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In a perverse kind of way tonight’s result will be another nail in Strachan’s heavily nailed coffin.......
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ok lads get Haig in charge
seems the smithfriegline
is certainly difficult to breach
armoured cars and tanks and guns
and stealth technology should be
be able to pierce a goal against these defesive tactics,before they retreat to the Mcdowell/sally line
pretareoussurge csc
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Paul,
Your article on Cuellar was very definitely a put-down of the player. Poor appearance record, nudge nudge wink wink...
Symptomatic of the underestimating of Rangers which has characterised this blog and Celtic FC itself in the last twelve months.
As for you foreseeing Rangers cantering away with the league, the Scottish Cup, and the League Cup, as well as a possible nightmare scenario of the UEFA Cup- well I'm sorry I must have missed that.
Did it come in between "A Generation of Domination" parts 34 and 35"?
If anyone has a retraction to make it is perhaps the author of this theory..?
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Fiorentina failed to impress at home against PSV - this evening they looked like a good team - PSV were poor and found Mutu unplayable
TrueTim - Vieri came off the bench for 10 mins - not the player he once was
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Magic!!
Glad to see the favourites through - here's to a Bayern - Firentina Final then- am sure Manchester would prefer to remain a Hun-Free zone!
Italiabhoy -thanks for the reply - interesting times ahead -I'm sure we'll take the right stand if THAT scenario raises its ugly head.
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Dear Mr 109. I would like to add:
(To the tune of Andy Thom, Andy Thom)
Scotty brown, Scotty Brown...scotty scotty brown,
First touch is mince, tackles make us wince, why'd you sign at all.
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I was actually at the Artemio Franchi in Florence only last Sunday to watch the Viola beat Reggina 2-0.
With Mutu and Pazzini, Fiorentina certainly have the firepower to win the tie and Bobo Vieri might not be the player he once was but with the ball at his feet he certainly caused the Reggina defence problems.
It was at the back that I thought they looked a bit weak with the defenders dithering on the ball. Someone like Davis constantly snapping at them could cause problems.
The other issue is that Fiorentina are involved in a major tussle for the 4th spot in Serie A with Sampdoria being one of their main challengers. And who do Fiorentina play the Sunday after Ibrox? Yep, Sampdoria.
Still think the Viola boys will put them out but I thought that about Werder Bremen as well.
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neilybhoy(bath/vale),
tell your ma to look out for me (big fat lhad with pasty skin in a Celtic top :) Will be watching in the Fiddler by the sounds of it.
On your lost posts, they probably appeared in the comments window, but not on the main page (blogger limitation apparently)
ThomTheThim,
will do. Read a few dodgy reviews of the Esmeralda after booking it but not sure how trustworthy these traveladvisor type sites are.
Cheers
Mikeybhoy
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TrueTim 22:02…
"Unfortunately - there are some things brewing under the surface at Celtic that will not allow us to capitalise."
Whatever it is not only will we not be able to capitalise on it, we won't be allowed to drink it inside the ground either.
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10 April 1974, 34 years ago tonight...
Celtic 0 Atletico Madrid 0
Juan Carlos Lorenzo's side kicked, spat and assaulted Celtic, and Jimmy Johnstone in particular in a disgraceful performance which saw 3 of their players sent off and 7 booked.
The restraint shown by the Celtic players, and the support, was admirable.
To think that they were within seconds of winning the European Cup that year.
Thanks to Bayern's never say die attitude (demonstrated yet again this evening)Atletico were denied the greatest prize of them all.
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10/04/08 22:21, Blogger Arch Stanton
The nails in Gordon Strachans coffin will either be hammered in or loosened off depending more on Sundays TEAM SELECTION than the result.
Will he prove himself to be stubborness made corporal or a man who sees what we have been seeing for months: Square Pegs Round Holes ; Underperformers who need a rest.
If GS backs his underperformers and the board then back GS then in my opinion the board will show they prioritise pound notes before supporters and results.
In case anyone is in any doubt I Am Not In the Least Happy.
Gordon Strachan prove me wrong prove me wrong when I said you should have been sacked after St Mirren @ home because at the moment I am leading myself to beleive Willie McStay could have saved our season.
For all the Mowbray, Collins, Yogu Hughes, Keane suggestions - wake up- we need an experienced man like Hiddink anf they are thin on the ground.
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Italiabhoy,
Our CEO is already on record, quite correctly, as opposing any extension.
Whether any other clubs would raise an objection I don't know. I think it's St Mirren and Motherwell they still have to have agmes arranged against. The former have nothing to play for but the latter are very much in the race for 3rd. And that could also mean Dundee Utd and Hibs objecting to an extension.
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Serutiku - I don't think it would taste nice ;-)
Cubist Frank - I hear they have a striker called Pazzini who will cause them problems.
Bayern result does make you rest a little easier.
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nae bread,
I agree we should go for an experienced coach like Hiddink, but I think Mowbray et al are more likely.
I also think there is still a very good chance that Strachan will still be here next season.
Which is a shame, because a lot of fans won't be...
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Best to say well done to them. It`s not easy to win away in Europe.
I think Fiorentina have stepped it up after their narrow squeak against Everton.
Hopefully the Bhoys can step it up too!
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Pastyface, shocker.
Italiabhoy, manipulating what I say into something else altogether does not win you an argument.
If what you want to do is have a go and me without reference to anything I have said, say so, but if you want to make a serious (and civilised) point, try.
I hope you enjoy irony, as doing this to me while accusing me of being snide is is priceless.
Find me one single “snidey” article concerning the player or get over your obsession with what I don’t say and develop an interest in better things.
In April I explained here why 3 in a row would be a tall order.
I might be an easy target, but I am not a worthy recipient for every fantasy issue you dream up.
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Just logged on without knowing the huns score apart from hearing some f'in idot playing orange tunes in a mixed company of adults and kids when I was picking up the cubs so i took it they had won.
I had it confirmed when I read back some of the posters. Let me say why does it make us a worse team if they are improving?
The worst hun team in decades some people on here were saying as a stick to beat us now they are saying their success is against us.
Is Smith now the most successful manager in this country since Jock?
Then what reason can people on here use that to batter us?
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TheNarrowBhoattim...
Mornin...just seen the huns result... if the get past the Tallies Getafe will gub them in the Final...10s...tictac...
Away te beach...
o1bhoy
hunsgameonnowCSC
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Italiabhoy
Agree with much of what you said earlier, but still can't understand the pre-occupation you and many others have with Rangers.
I'm a Celtic supporter and couldn't care less about them other than within the context of SPL, SFA Cup or League Cup.
Whatever else they get up to? So what?
What does it have to do with us?
I know I'm lucky and have spent 20 years in England and a further 25 in Sweden so I've not been exposed to the constant hatred and persecution since I was 21, but, believe me, absence doesn't make the heart grow fonder - it gives you a better perspective.
Rangers are worth no more to Celtic than Gretna or ICT - why do we still treat them as something special? They ain't, I assure you.
Many on here, including myself, would like to lose the "Old Firm" tag.
As usual, since they need us more than we need them, we are the ones who have to take the initiative. Let them hate us - you'll never see a better confirmation of an inferiority complex.
If you don't agree, please explain to me why they are so important in the greater scheme of things or even in our Celtic world.
They may win the SPL, but will do it with larger debts, smaller resources both players and financially and a future which I wouldn't look forward to.
First and foremost, Celtic must survive. That's it. The rest will take care of itself.
Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose - so long as Celtic are in the mix, I don't really care.
Chill man, this team may not be champions this season, although I still have hopes, but Celtic shall remain as the champion club in Scotland - and that is what matters to me.
Cheers
Alex
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Nice post Alex.
Forza Celtic
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Italiabhoy
Which is a shame, because a lot of fans won't be...
I will. Will you?
For those you predict won't be there....well, that's up to them.
My commitments a little bit deeper than to abandon ship after one unsuccesful season or because, in my amateur observer opinion, the Manager's not good enough - despite much evidence to the contrary.
I don't share the arrogance of some who post on here who's conviction that they know better than Strachan, Lawell, Reid and on and on and on, is unshakable.
This next comment is not intended to antagonise you but there's a chance that it might. The tone of much of what you post gives me the impression that you take some satisfaction in the teams failure because it's then evidence that 'supports' your opinion. It's probably an incorrect impression but that's what your words lead me to believe. For example, your comment that I've copied at the very start of this post reads as if you'll be gloating if fans abandon the club. I won't and I hope I am wrong about you.
WE ARE ALL BROTHERS AND SISTERS IN CELTIC.
SwanseaBhoy
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I know our manager likes his stats.
If, as I expect, we beat Rangers in both games at parkhead, then both teams will have cancelled each other out in terms of league points for this season.
If Celtic win 6 of their remaining games, they will have accumulated more points than won the league last year
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Smellthe glove
Thats an unuasually optomistic post for you, or do I do you a disservice?
Will Gordon pick a team and a game plan that will beat Walter twice? Or, will Walter prove that he has Gordon in his back pocket.
Hate to say it but I am not optomistic when it comes to Gordon and hard graft SPL, I would have more faith if he was playing Arsenal !
Theres alway hope !
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AAFG
Top Post.
And your mention of Sweden gives me the opportunity to present the sign given to us that they will not win the Uefa Cup.
A proper European and Uefa superstar scored a goal tonight, one Henrik Larsson.
Even Edward does not consider Rankers a good enough team to have reached these heady heights but he'll take it if it's going.
I always want to see them cuffed but I would let them have the UEFA cup gladly if it meant we got the league. Long odds, I know, but you can still wish, hope and pray for it (no obligation there in case you think you're being bullied into being positive)
Mineshafters calling Esther Rantzen csc
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There's little point in getting worked up, depressed, or engaged at all with Rangers progress in Europe. There's nothing we can do about it, and to dwell on it eats away at the soul - forget about it.
They will be found out in time, and even if they surpass our efforts from 2003, so what? Our worst is their best. On and off the field past, present and future.
Let's concentrate on doing them - twice, and convincingly - and when I say "convincingly", I mean by a couple or 3 goals, on each occasion. Any of us who witnessed the first half at Ibrox must believe it's possible - I certainly do.
Time for the Manager to show he's capable of adapting.
3-5-2 and they are undone, for sure.
Borucs
Hinkel McManus Wilson
Sno
Robson Nakamura Hartley McGeady
Samaras McDonald
Let's do them, big style, and start to apply pressure the likes of which they haven't seen this season. Lets show the way. We have the players, and we're overdue the slice of luck that delivers the confidence for us to be what we can be - it may ultimately prove to be too late, but let's start sowing doubt in their psyche now. If not us, then who? if not now, then when?
As to the future of our Manager, I see no viable alternative on the horizon, not one that will fit the spend profile, and improve us. It can definitely be argued that GS has earned the right to a 4th season, the only dilemma I have is how much can he be trusted to spend.
But all things considered, and even although I have never taken to him as I did MON (and if thats the "not celtic minded" thing, then it must be buried so far in my subconscious that I'm even now not aware I subscribe to it!), next season I think GS should still be the man. And if he is, he should have the boards full backing (including financially), and his own burning desire to set the record straight.
Come on, Celtic (and I mean the whole Celtic family). Believe.
Hail Hail, bhono
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Nae Bread
You do indeed.
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Paul,
You know fine well you are being disingenuous about Cuellar, and I am surprised by your Clintonesque attitude on this.
You posted an article about him commenting adversely on his appearance record. The message was clear- draw you own conclusions, bloggers, Rangers sign another crock. Don't worry about this signing, people.
The article perfectly fitted the tone of this blog which is relentlessly upbeat about our club's management and direction, whilst downplaying Rangers' hierarchy. It's your blog, you can write what you like. I find your point of view interesting but not convincing.
Many of us spotted quite early on this season that Celtic seemed to be caught cold this year, and that talk of a "Generation of Domination" etc seemed at hopelessly at odds with the poor football and increasingly poor results of our team on the park.
This is different from framing the league title in terms of statistics from the past, as you did in that slightly esoteric article to which you provided the link.
Our problem is not that three in a row has been done irrugularly in the past. Our problem is not probability or the mysteries of the cosmos. Our problem is that we messed up. Big time. From a position of strength to boot. We underestimated our only opponent- a criminal mistake in my humble opinion.
Your Cuellar article stands testimony to a prevailing attitude of complacency and lack of vision at the upper echelons at Celtic. It's not your fault that we will probably not win the league this year. But like it or not, you have been a cheerleader for the strategy which has led us to this Silent Spring. You gotta expect some flak.
Oh, and in your linked article you talk of the league being "close". If the next two OF games go to form, their lead over us will be well into double figures...
What were the chances of that, eh?
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aafg,
I know, you are right. Obsessing about them is unhealthy. However, like it or not, they are our one "opponent". What they do does have a relevence to us, sadly.
Swanseabhoy, I will certainly be there next season- should have made that clear.
The old "you are enjoying this line" is used frequently on CQN against posters who are not blinded by the spin on Lawwell and Strachan which is common on here. I have posted many times in the past that I will be delighted if I am wrong, and I will be celebrating with the rest if by some miracle we win the league.
I assure you I am hurting at our pitiful season. Unlike others, I have no grand "it'll-all-be-alright-theory" to fall back on...
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Sorry then smelltheglove - I seem to remember you being I mineshafter b4 I even noticed the holes in the road !
were you also smelltheglove2 ?
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Hunbelievable means believable, and once again the Fod pull it off. I didn’t see the game, but by all accounts it wasn’t up to much and was another stuffy encounter that the huns relish. The sports programme here in Germany (which criticized Bayern although they got through), gave their opinion of the huns game
- I quote from the telly -
“Bad football can get you to the semi final”.
Hunbelievable and true,
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sometimes getting to the point of crisis can help focus you. i hope gordon and the bhoys have it clear in their minds that they have to beat rangers the next game and beat them well. back to winning ways this weekend needed desperately. we need to put motherwell in their place. it's pretty clear what needs to be done. i hope we see it
i don't know what kind of say we have on fixture extensions but i imagine any final decision won't be made in our favour whatever fuss we make.
39th game idea is rubbish but the final outcome could be interesting
finally, just incase you missed my attempts at humorous songs at end of the last thread......
hail hail deeks isn't here
what the hell do we care
what the hell do we care
hail hail deeks isn't here
i guess we'll have to fine him now
for it would be a grand old team to play for
and even a grand old team to see
but if you know his history
it's enough to make you realise
he'd rather be at nicky clarke's
he doesn't care what gordon says
why the hell should he care
cos we all know
that he's wating for gordon to go
but he's gonna get shifted anyway
to the fields
on a lonely leith wall, i saw deeks groaning
why aren't they giving me a game?
cos u were out getting reeking till dawn
and you didn't get up in the morn
it's so lonely being an outcast at lennoxtown
ohhh why am i not getting a game?
when i once used to score for fun
cos you came to celtic
and acted a wee pr**k
it's so lonely waiting for the taxi to burnley
the only thing that interests me about the darnel is beating them
hail hail
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ItaliaBhoy
But like it or not, you have been a cheerleader for the strategy which has led us to this Silent Spring. You gotta expect some flak.
I don't recall any pom poms other than a frank assessment of a fan who is calling it as he sees it. There have been many articles outlining where our teams need to strengthen posted by Paul as well as the warning that this year will be a lot closer than previous. All of which has been proven. Out total collapse on the field of play and the lack of tactical ability to change things when necessary have disrupted what could have been a very big stake in the ambitions of Rangers hearts.
I would also disagree we underestimated Rangers, we are guilty of the usual sin at Celtic. Sheer utter incompetence at grabbing an opportunity to bury your biggest rivals and falling back on penny pinching until the December window by which time the damage was done.
Celtic Forever
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It would be churlish not to congratulate Ed and other decent Teds I know, but they aren't the guys who will be right in my face tomorrow morning! Enjoy your night, Ed - our Seville run gave me the adventure of a lifetime and it looks like you are having quite a run this year.
Bearing in mind that we hate to see you win anything, you'll understand that I hope you don't make it to Manchester. ;-)
Unless WGS makes the radical team changes on Sunday that most fans wanted last Saturday, then the league will definately be over and there will be no need for any extensions.
Although, the laptop loyal will go into overdrive during the next few days to help the cause. That is as predictable as Wattie's tactics tonight.
TTTT
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sorry, but I wrote it on here a week or so ago; forget who has the better players, or the stronger squad.
THEY are WINNING right now. As was mentioned earlier, winning breeds confidence, and real belief that NOBODY will beat us. Sporting were poor tonight, but Rangers were strong in every dept - on and off the field.
In this 'mood', I honestly can't see us beating them on Wed. I can, sadly, see them turning us over.
And one thing I have to comment on, which might irk one or two; I read Paul's comments after the Motherwell game, about the great reaction of the fans etc.
I only got to see the game on Setanta on Wednesday, and I have to say, it sounded very like the Parkhead I remember. At around 55 mins, the noises coming from the crowd were far more negative than positive. I didn't hear anything by way of real encouragement.
The playeres looked nervous. No wonder.
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p.s.
Away to my bed noo but not intending to start a flame war.
Hail Hail
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Smelltheglove
I wish I was as confident as you are that we will beat the huns.
Tonight should be another big wake up call !
Sporting probably have better technical players than we do and they found it impossible to pass thier way through anti-football
If WGS goes 4-4-2 and fails for the 5th time next Wednesday he must go and go there and then.
We need to get our act together now so that a new man can start to put together his team, on and off the park !
If we make a bold and ambitious choice recnt history has proved that things can be turned around quickly.
My big fear is either WGS stubbornly staying on or if he goes being replaced with a cheap option like Mark McGhee
Time for DD and the board to stand up for the club !
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harry's hoody,
There was plenty of noise at the game on Saturday, but much of it was criticism of the team and manager.
It was an ugly, unejoyable atmosphere.
Lots of Japanese attending the game. I'd love to know what they made of it.
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well...you know what??
Rangers did it tonight because they really wanted it and fair play to them..they deserve it!!
They showed character and heart which is everything that we don't have..
And that is what really riles me!!
we have no heart or character!!!
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Strachan has never even attempted a 3 - 5 - 2, i think thats the most disappointing aspect. I think on occasion, particularly recently its shouldv'e been at least worth a go. Throw that into the mix along with never leaving on 3 strikers when we needed points. I never like to give up but I dont see us winning all remaining games.
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Cuellar this and Cuellar that. My goodness, if I had 9 other outfield players playing alongside me in the penalty box, I'd be a competent centre half also. The fact is that teams are finding it incredibly difficult to get past a defence/team that includes the kitchen sink !
If we want solace of some sort, then this is the perfect comparison - Greece won the Euro Championships in 2004 but did not win any credit for the football played. I think Walter has a fondness for Lamb Kleftiki.
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malceye....
they're winning week in week out in the SPL... they won tonight in Lisbon..
We can beat our chests all we want and call them flukey.. dirty.. negative.
But they're winning, and they'll probably do it again on Wednesday, albeit with 11 men behind the ball.
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Forza viola indeed. That Mutu has a nose for not one, but two goals
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italiabhoy,just a question but were you among those creating the unenjoyable atmosphere on saturday? i would also like to know what the japanese fans think of a celtic fan who cannot give the club manager the courtesy of using his first name,its gordon by the way ,or even a civilised mr would do
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yup. Rangers deserved to go through alright. Sadly Sporting looked a bit like Celtic, totally unable to get in behind the Rangers defence. I have to hand it to smith, he has got a bunch of players prepared to really work for each other. A lot of fight and spirit.
In my opinion, Paul67 is to blame.
He started it....
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ItaliaBhoy etc. When you go to watch us playing do you ever go looking forward and happy or do you always expect us to lose?
Then take that out to your normal life. Do you go through life the same way?
Im positive on both accounts by the way.
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Huns fighting in Central Station apparently ... u only swing when you're winning.
I wonder if they gave up the league, like most of us seem to have done, when we were on the road to Seville.
Hmmm.
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ItaliaBhoy
I doubt you are hurting anymore than the rest of us.
"It'll be allright theory" is not a theory, it's a fact. Sometimes we win, sometimes we lose, but Celtic are always the best and that is why we always support them.
Love Celtic - don't hate anyone else, or even worry about them.
Swedes are used to people to people who come here and become Swedish citizens. I've often been asked why I've never done it. My reply?
I'm Scottish - when you'te lucky enough to be born at the top of the tree, why would you want to denigrate yourself?
Same thing applies to being a Celtic supporter - NONE of the rest matter. They ain't worth our time or thoughts.
I'm not a happy-clapper or a mineshafter, I'm a pragmatist/realist. Would never want to be anything different.
Cheers
Alex
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This Bayern team looks half-decent Munchen-bunch
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I blame Paul Le Guen
if he hadnt done so badly we would never have been so comfortable. Its his fault for being so bad that the board , understandably, thought we would waltz this season.
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Seldom poster/regular reader.
Paul67. You are the subject of repressed male obsession from a couple of individuals. Live with it as your obsessors have a lot to deal with.
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Harry
two things - yes, they are winning, and yes they achieving it via negative football. Call it the way it is and don't be so downbeat because they have won playing in such a style. Lord only knows, I would be downbeat if they played Sporting off the park and won 2-0. I'm afraid its page 293 of the manual for the chapter "Dealing with teams that defend 11 men deep." For those who are unfamiliar with this particular script, it does of course advise to outfox the opposition by changing YOUR style of play. That's the key to Wednesday, not them.
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Paul,
Any comment on why the share price has improved. Given recent results I'd have thought there would've been some sort of hit.
Or is it still seen as good value in the long run. I still subscribe to the long term financial advantage we have. Although if they can sell Cousin and Darcheville in the summer for a few million more than they paid then this may be temporarily halted.
On the debate as to our (Celtic) future, I've deliberately not posted before as I've been a bit emotional given our recent performances...
I'd like to address some of the bitching that seems prevalent in cyber space and beyond.
Anti-football comments are the perennial chant of the loser who believes they have a divine right to win and that they deserve it more than the other guy.
Don't get me wrong I like to win and do it playing good football but in that order.
I believe in getting the results and I seem to remember MON and Gordon Strachan both being prepared to play ugly to win.
On our managers future I think he has earned the right to continue taking us forward. Furthermore I believe he should also have our respect, long term and not just short term when it suits us.
I tend to read between the lines when Gordon Strachan provides comment, my take is that he is attempting to protect his players and build their confidence for the coming games and next season.
The only real baffling piece for me is the Riordan/Balde situation. If its a pride issue, and I dont think it is then that is poor man management. But I'm not prepared to throw the baby out with the bath water.
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malceye the key to Wednesday is to play Massimo the only guy who has passing range. Along with Paul. Put Barry out left and Aiden right.
You and I could play up front then... well maybe me
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A bad season just got a whole lot worse tonight gents.
The huns are a couple of games away from making it a disasterous one for us.
To be honest ,after tonight you wouldnt bet against Watties Iron Curtain '08 style going all the way.
Indeed a scary thought to sleep on.
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That updated team for next Wednesday, as suggested on here:
Artur
Hinkel
Balde
Caldwell
Wilson
McGeady
Donati
Hartley
Robson
malceye
greeenlion2
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Sir Paul
Bin' Bizzzeeeee!
I spoke to that Celtic Player, again, last night...
Mr. Strachan is still bent on remaining at the helm.
The next game against Motherwell may be his salvation.
I expect to see a big difference in the attitude of the Celtic Eleven.
Then I repeated to my correspondent, what Fargo had said,once upon a time...which I believe is so apros to the situation, that both the Celtic Manager and the Celtic Players, now face...
"There is nothing that sharpens the mind greater, than the possibiliy of facing the Hangman in the morning."
He laughed....
Then I said...
"Do you know why you laughed?"
He thought for a moment... then said...
"Because it is, so true"
Motherwell 0 Celtic 15
See you later,pal...gonna be bizzy,bizzy.
Good Evening.
Kojo.
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David
But is the manager taking us forward?
Do you see the fast flowing pass and move football that was promised.
Do you see players who have a first touch.
Have you been excited year on year by quality?
Hate to say it, the more i think the worse it gets, we have gone backward skills and playing wise but forward in CL results wise.
Skills
Henrick Larsson
Chris Sutton
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Scott Mc Donald
Van Hennegoor
Petrov
Lennon/Lambert (cant play in same midfield says the journos)
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Naka
Donati/Hartley/ brown ????? (can GS pick a midfield say the mineshafters)
defence
Can we buy Mark reiper and Mjallby again?
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Kojo
I hear your Motherwell 0 Celtic 15
and suggest
an unsure Celtic vs a Sure Motherwell
Celtic to scrape it 1-0 if they dont concede the first goal against the run of play.
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Mineshaft is filling up.
Fortunately many of the new arrivals have the skills to open up new tunnels for the multitudes expected between now and May.
Strachan's time is up - you were warned but failed to see what was before you - none so blind etc etc
Good news is the talent is at the club if we rid ourselves of a coach who overcoaches
Boruc
Balde, Mcmanus, Odea,
Hinkel Robson
Hartley,
McGeady
Naka
Samaras
JVoH
would win all remaining games by a shedload
Deek in for any one of Naka, Aidan, or Samaras when required. Skippy in for JVoH.
Players playing n positions they know best ie aidan on the right with licence to roam Naka on the left with the same brief and two wing backs who can tackle get forward deliver a cross and score goals.
Hartley to hold and protect his backline and to spray simple passes to his creative midfelders who aren't left hugging the wings which let's face it is a waste of their undoubted talents,
I can't see how Gordon's squad can play any other way.
Oh and did I say welcome back Bobo - purely to frighten any opposing SPL forward who might be thinking of entering our defensive area.
And of course we won't be doing zonal marking and there'll be no pages of notes - away you go and play, express yourselves where you know best.
There really was no need for the mineshaft to open
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GL2 - I'd play Sno before Donati in the middle with PH. We need players with heart and Donati doesn't have any. If he did, coupled with his undoubted talent, he would be playing for one of the big teams in Serie A.
Robson on left and Aiden on the right, with Skippy and Sami up front. Bobo and GC at the back, with Wilson in for Naylor.
This is in direct contrast to our manager, who guarantees mediocre players a first team place after they let us down.
TTTTnotveryhopefulCSC
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David apologies for jumping into the question you asked Paul but on Bobo he was injured for a good bit of Gordons tenure then got back to fitness in time for the African nations then came back injured, then fit in time for the week around the huns game.
I believe Bobo is not interested in playing rather than Gordon not playing him.
On Derek he is a player who benefits from getting better not playing in my opinion.
The only team I can see him linked with is Burnley. Why is Tony Mowbray not linked with him?
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Paul, Of course I was joking that it was your fault..
As for anti football, wasnt there a certain team feared throughout Europe back in 67 who got their just deserts. Gutted for Getafe tonight. Can you imagine how thst felt...oh yes, we're Celtic supporters, silly me!
Big night for us on Wednesday. I recently fell into the mineshaft but I think we will win 1-0.
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Timlord
Have to say that your team selection inspires me more than Gordons of late.
As I have believed for a while, we have the players. Now either:
a.They have gone off form
b.The have 'caught' bad luck from Paul Le Guen.
c.They dont know what they are meant to do.
d.They do know what they should do but the coach gameplan limits them.
e.The right combination is not being chosen
f.Universal randomness means that all football results and play only seems like it is influenced by plans/formulas/ tactical and playing combinations when in fact its completely random therefore explaining having best players, tactics, team selection, board, coach but not cutting it agaisnt lesser opposition.
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TTTT explain heart to me?
The best scorer we have in midfield or the guy who is sitting in the stand due to his mouth?
As I have said to you before. Massimo is getting the same treatment from the scottish press as Gordon does and too many people dont look to see what he does.
If we are looking for players with no talent to run around then you can join me and Malceye but then again you cant run.
I honestly sit and watch Massimo and can understand why he is criticised. I said it on here months ago he would win us the league as he is the only one with something different.
We need him back and we needed him 2 weeks ago at the bigot dome.
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10/04/08 23:54, Blogger greenlion2
Bobo certainly looked interested when played at xmas vs dundee united. In fact did he not save the game by saving our captain from a passback which would almost certainly have resulted in a goal had robson not been intercepted by Balde?
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obviously can meant can't
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nbcotc,
My point is that I believe his results over the last 3 years deserve another season.
As you say CL results have improved, including a not inconsequential beating of the current European Champions.
In terms of success I tend to be quite literal in so far as I judge it by trophies won. 4 out of 6, admittedly soon to be 4 out of 9, although I'd love to do them and Aberdeen to win the cup.
I empathise with your frustration we all do at some level.
On a lighter note to the mineshafters:
Can Gordon Strachan pick a midfield, of course he can he's been doing it ever since he arrived?
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Nae Bread as I said up until then he was injured a lot of the time I believe..... He made a recovery in time for the ANC.
The game you talk about is now known as the Mark Brown game by PFAYR.
Bobo is enjoying earning his money no matter what any one on here says
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Narrowbhoattim...
I went out with a minute to go in the Getafe game just seen bloke190 link thought the 3-3* score at the top was a wind up...
That was worse than Anfield on Tues...it's gonna be a long day...
congrats ED...
o1bhoy
sickasaspanishparrottCSC...
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GL2 - I'm not questioning the fact that he's got talent, but he disappears in games when it matters. Look at Saturday and also the first game at Mordor. He shirks tackles and going for headers as well.
It's quite obvious to me now why Donati was loaned out to three different Italian clubs by Milan. The question was asked when he came, but we were too busy salivating at the prospect of him and Skoosh after previous pedestrian midfields.
Brown is naive and has been a huge disappointment this season, but out of the two, I hope that he is here next year.
TTTT
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programme for the nocturnals the night at 12.15 itv4 football rivalries celtic and them ,feynoord and ajax
football is a simple game ,its put the ball in the net dont overcomplicate it play aiden inside running at them instead of out in the wing ,outmanouvre them some radical thinking called for against them on wednesday
outofthebox csc
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Edward
Congratulations on your victory.Having so recently enjoyed our Seville season may I wish you all the success that we enjoyed that season
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loumacarisbettingslip
Aiden has proven he can score when he turns inside, and he played in that position for most of his youth. Is it a radical thought to try him there?
should Gordon play him in the same position Martin did or do great people sometime attempt great or radical things?
was that Nietsche/Goethe that said that or did he give up german for some latin soundbite like 'the girl nextdoor does my dishes' or whatever mcGregor 'Greigsy' has on his torso.
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TTTT Right here is my bit on Massimo.
You brought up the first bigtdome game. Where was the rest of the midfield? Where was the rest of the team?
You dont answer that he is the best passer of the ball best goal scorer for us?
As always its easy to criticise rather than being positive.
If I was to put up that Artur has the worst goals to saves records ever people dont want to talk about that .
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Cueller today, gone tomorrow.
Aag
Good post I had similar life experience just switch Canada for Sweden. Now living in England. We take the bad with the good, I hate it when the huns win trophies but it doesnt matter how bad a season we have I still wake up every morning and thank god I'm a Celtic supporter.
On tonights game I see wee Bazza got his second yellow card in two games and misses the first semi game. Strange he must play a different game in the SPL to not get book.
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TTTT would Scott Brown ever get to Italy as a loan player?
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TTTT would Scott Brown ever get to Italy as a loan player?
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GL2,
I agree on the Balde scenario. I seem to recall a comment being relayed around the time of the Sunderland interest, not sure if has any truth but it went along the lines of:
You're the CEO of Celtic and are quite right to look after your interests but I'm the CEO of Bobo Balde and I'll look after my own interests. An impasse couldnt be found because of financial reasons. I posted at the time that I felt this was a man management excercise to get him motivated, but an injury then occurred.
Corrib04,
I'll happily be on the playing good football and winning combination, almost any day of the week.
Helenio Herrera still managed to win the European Cup. Let me ask you this would Jock Stein have sacrificed his style of football to have guaranteed winning 2 European Cups, I think so.
My point earlier was that winning was what mattered first and foremost to me. Others can have their own opinion of which they are entitled.
Why almost any day of the week?
A wise man once said to me that he'd rather beat Rangers with an offside goal knocked over the line with a hand and them to have been denied clear penalty after clear penalty. I don't know maybe bitterness makes the heart grow cynical.
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GL2 - Why did none of the loan clubs want to keep him?
Never mind using Brown as a contrast, there are big question marks over both our summer "blue chip" signings.
Do you want to go into next season with them as our established central midfield? As a combination, they haven't cut the mustard. Paul Hartley must wonder what he's got to do to get a game and Evander has shown more football intelligence in any recent games he's played than our two super signings. Hugely disappointing, but I would give Brown another season based on the previous example of Stan.
Just an opinion....and only a bloody fool wouldn't be negative after Saturday!!
I'm off to my pit.
TTTT
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Greenlion at 11.42
your suggestion of Paul and Barry is intriguing. However, I suspect continuous "to you, to me" is unlikely to achieve the penetration we're looking for !!!!
PS at 39, I'm still faster than JVoH
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edward
jammy
@ @
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c(UU)
mon the fiorentina
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sorry, I should have signed off as
chucklebrothersCSC
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Edward,
congrats, ye deserved the win, enjoy it.
I wont patronise you by wishing you all the best in the next round as I hope fiorentina gub ye.lol.
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DruidDude :- That was a clever and witty post, stiletto rather than cudgel :-)
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David...
Another wise man once said...
''A Leader is a Dealer in Hope''...
Napoleon Bonaparte...
o1bhoy
waterlooCSC
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O1bhoy
It sounds like if you didnt have bad luck you would have no luck at all maybe you should have your dog mark your coupon.
Whats the sure bet this weekend
CQN Betting Clique CSC
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Watched Rangers tonight and have noticed a lot of people saying they deserved to go through, can't agree. Yes they scored the goals and Sporting didn't but who was the better team? Call them efficient, I call them lucky, sure there's a bit of 'efficiency' there but I can see them getting a right hammering in the semis, especially with Ferguson and Thomson out.
Lessons Strachan should learn from watching them defend relentlessly against better teams:
Do not attempt ball after ball crossed into the box.
Do not think you can rug through their fairly slow defence, particularly if they are sitting back.
Their fullbacks offer nothing going forward.
They defend deep.
As free kicks are almost certainly out the window for us, what's the chances of refs giving us many around a Rangers' box?, then I'd suggest getting to the byline and cutting the ball back along the ground!
Shooting from outside the box is another potential area to take advantage as long as you have strikers in the box ready to pounce on any spilled ball.
We should have the aerial threat to worry them in JVOH but let's be honest, we don't! Samaras can score headers from a nice whipped in ball but probably wont win headers lumped up from deep.
I don't know if I'm semi-pleased or gutted that they're through to the next round, I always hate when they win but then it leaves a glimmer of hope for the league!
If we win all our games from now till the end of the season then we've got a decent change, if they take points off us then I'd admit it's over; they've started to drop points as of last week, another two games just might be the straw that breaks the orcs' back!
We have to keep the faith!
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I don't post here so sorry if i'm entetring the fray....but ten maybe 11 years ago I was told that picking favourites would be Tommy Burns undoing at Celtic. Picking Grant and McStay over Collins and Mc GInley... and the managers perceived favouritism had unsetttled the football club and would put pay to title aspirations.
Also can I add face facts Rngers are top of the league ands in the semis of the UEFA because they have outplayed us. Pure and Simple .
And just to sadd fuel to the fire I remember Paul 67 suggesting that Adam Virgo would be a better signing than Naka.
We all make mistakes and assumptions....and assumptions are what might have lost us the league.
Harlod Bratback was in quantom leap.
Yours in Celtic
V
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Missed something major out...
The running through the defence is simply because they put too many players in the way, even the most skilful of players would have to be incredibly lucky to gain any success.
McGeady must be played on the right, we have to stretch them as much as possible, cutting in is simply playing into their hands!
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Last week, I thought Celtic had a better chance of winning the SPL than Rangers had of winning the UEFA Cup so I was quite happy for them to go through. And I had a very strong feeling they would - same pattern as before against a pretty poor team.
However, I very much doubt that Rangers will even be in Manchester. In fact, I reckon that Rangers have just slightly a better chance of European glory than Celtic have of 3-in-a-row.
The fact is that the teams they could face now are actually pretty good. Let's give credit where it's due however - getting to the UEFA semi isn't bad at all!
But my expectation that the next two rounds would be too much was based on the presumption that Barry Ferguson would be playing. System or no system, luck or no luck, there hasn't been a Scottish team so dependant on one player since Henrik's leg break cost John Barnes his job.
I expect Fiorentina to win at Ibrox. The rest would be academic.
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Bournsouprecipe & Half and half :- I wouldn't expect anything else thats what football rivalry is about. I don't think we were jammy in any way tonight, apart from one header that hit the post our defence coped. Our midfield matched theirs, and our attackers beat theirs in that we scored twice. There was also one point in the second half when we puttogether a fantastic (in my eyes) set of passes. This was done away from home and in my eyes we deserve our place in the semi,
If we go out next round I'll be proud of my teams eforts this season.
Before anyone attacks me for the last sentence ask yourself how you felt when you reached the semi in your own EUFA run.
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pastyface - enlighten me.
Which Polish, German, Dutch and Greek players do Rangers have? I cannot think of any. Or are you perhaps referring to Boruc, Hinkel, JVOH and Samaras? They play for Celtic, and if there is to be an extension to the season, it will only be for Rangers, not Celtic.
Why would Celtic need an extended season? Celtic's fixtures are already sceduled.
There seems to be some sort of strange misconception pervading Celtic cyberspace that an extension to the season would involve Celtic. It wouldn't.
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TTTT
Personally I think both Brown and Donati have quality and will be better next season.
However, if there is one player who has hid this season it has been Brown. He goes missing from games on a regular basis, watch when the defence have the ball, who's available for the pass? Donati and McDonald that's who. Some games I watch I loose track of where Brown is on the park for long spells, he hides!
It's probably got a lot to do with the mental side of his: when he first arrived he was excellent, but now the adrenaline has worn off and the realisation he's at Celtic and must control every game has kicked in he's offering less than Gravesen would!
I expect a huge improvement with him out the team at the weekend.
In no way am I saying he's a poor player, just look at his performances for Scotland, a different kind of pressure and he starts to shine once more.
Donati on the other hand has fluctuated a lot more, I'd say he's offered more overall, he certainly makes himself available more often. He needs to work on his concentration and acclimatise to the Scottish way (which is horrible by the way and as long as referees continue to allow it we'll never have a decent product) but I fully expect him to make huge leaps next season if he stays.
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Our semi felt more, ahem, hard-won.
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ed,
I agree, ye dont get that far in a competition on good luck alone.
It's quite simple really, W smith has his team playing to their full potential coupled with maximum effort , something which I feel our manager has'nt been able to achieve with our squad.
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TheNarrowBhoattim...
''THE DOG'' He's GERMAN... were not speeking at the moment He's not a Bayern fan ST PAULI is his team he's got there bandana on just not...scull and crossbones...are the only one's he'll see today...
Arsenal...Getafe...West Brom... my Dream Cup Treble is over... but it wasc better than huns v huns v pompey...
o1bhoy
Next week we might be a G.A. clique...
anonymousCSCB
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TheNarrowBhoattim...
''THE DOG'' He's GERMAN... were not speeking at the moment He's not a Bayern fan ST PAULI is his team he's got there bandana on just not...scull and crossbones...are the only one's he'll see today...
Arsenal...Getafe...West Brom... my Dream Cup Treble is over... but it wasc better than huns v huns v pompey...
o1bhoy
Next week we might be a G.A. clique...
anonymousCSC
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TNT
What's the sure bet this weekend?
I'd suggest it's that Barry Ferguson will not be booked.
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Dear Edward,
Many congratulations to you for getting it right.You've been telling us all season long,gently but with conviction that your team were better then we gave them credit for.
You were right!
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ED...
I have just watched the delayed tele-cast of your game and what you said is Correct...
Your fans will be GOOD in Lisboa tonight they beat the GREEN team they will turn the air BLUE and I'm afraid the fountains YELLOW...
Enjoy your night normal rivalries will resume on the 16th...
Whittakerr's goal is the bets ''rabbit stuck in the headlights goal I've seen for years''
o1bhoy
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Dear Gordon
Thanks for enthusing you had a 'right good squad' and had some 'right good trainings'
the feel good smokescreen has allowed your less ostentatious, more humble adversaries to not only creep up but to overtake you.
Regards
Aly Mc Coist
ps you are agood guy
A tip from Walter, everybody in the SPL fears going one on one with Bobo - you have frozen him for 2 years, its probably too late to bring him back but it might be worth you considering what the opposition think in a game.
Thanks for the cheesy midfield !
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Also, while I'm in the mood (or rather while I've got a Sports Marketing report to avoid), I have to take issue with the common "lack of fight" slight that is made against the Celtic players.
Take the last Celtic-Rangers game for instance, we didn't lose due to a lack of fight, we had control of the game and most of the play, it doesn't help that our defence is kak and our strikers aren't scoring but it wasn't due to lack of fight.
What I would say, and what is different from the MON teams and this one is not fight but a winning mentality.
Players like Donati and Brown have came from clubs where they're used to being stars amongst their own support (Donati from his loan clubs obviously and not Milan) but were never really expected to win anything.
Who in the Celtic team of present is used to winning?
To an extent McGeady, JVOH and maybe McManus?
A large number (McDonald, Samaras, Donati, Brown, Naylor, Nakamura, Riordan, Caldwell, Hartley, Robson, Hinkel, Sno and Wilson) have all been good players at their previous clubs but there's never been that pressure to win week-in week-out. Strachan needs to instil that winning mentality into them or bring someone else in to do so. Football clubs are so backwards in their reluctance to adopt new methods but I'd have thought Strachan of all people would be willing to bring in sports psychologists to improve performance...
Maybe he has, but it doesn't seem like it's working.
Celtic should expect to win every game, our players should be shocked if we don't win, that's not what's happening!
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TheNarrowBhoattim...
Re: Weekend Tip...I think we should all get on King Harald in the Scottish Grand National on Saterday one things for sure He's a TRYER...
If he can stay on his feet...?
o1bhoy
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Just watch the last episode of the Sopranos can someone explain the ending to me. If anybody needs an extension of the season its the Sopranos.
I hope Lawwell keeps to his word and protests against any extension saying that if we dont start winning soon the huns wont need an extension.
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Blaming our position in the league cannot be put down to Balde not playing. We have the best defensive record in the SPL for God sake! The fact that a defensive Rangers team has scored 4 more goals in 1lessgame is the worry!
Before people go pointing at Balde as some sort of messiah they should look at the facts.
Pos Name P W D L F A GD PTS
1 Rangers 30 24 3 3 73 24 49 75
2 Celtic 31 21 5 5 69 21 48 68
We've scored 4 less but also conceeded 3 less.
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Malone19 00:55...
At last someone who agree's with me on how to beat them...
LYON told us how to beat them before the ipox debacle and did it with a 17yr old...
I said it to ED at the time... and he agreed Totally... ball:Ground McGeady:Right keep width= Victory over anti football...
o1bhoy
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My opinion on why we're not winning the league...
We rely too much on McGeady to do everything, the lad deserves a medal for his efforts this season!
We play too many long balls from the back.
Brown has hidden far too often.
We do not play to our strikers strengths.
Our defence, although not conceding many goals, has had too many lapses in concentration in important fixtures.
NB. Bobo would not help the last point. Saying that I'd still welcome him back for games against the huns - just so he can kick them!
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narrowbhoat
the sopranos ending explained
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O1bhoy
It seems so obvious even just watching one half of one of their European games. They're good in the air but not comfortable with the ball bouncing around their feet... but running through them isn't going to work as they can put more men behind the ball than Kilmarnock when defending!
I've no idea why we don't swap McGeady and Naka about mid-game more often but it's what the team's been crying out for (or Naka off for Robson).
I also think switching the play from one side to the other quickly would work against them as they seem to play a schoolboy type football where all their players are concentrated in one area of the park. For that reason I'd play Donati against them as he's quite good at long cross-field passes - although there's always the risk of a dangerous interception taking advantage of our slow centre-backs!
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Malone19 01:39...
Re: Why were not on top of league...
Correct again we have stopped scoring GOALS... we did as paul67 says have a good window in Jan... but they need time to bed in...
Remember Keegan signing Asprilla in Jan... He lost them the league imo... upset the dressing room sort of thing...
o1bhoy
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O1bhoy
I might not be as big as horseman as you but Im pretty sure staying on your feet is pretty important in a national hunt race, so Ed U if Boyd or Thomson are running in the race dont bet them.
I'll put a few quid on King Halrald EW.
Goodnight everyone hope everyone dosen't pile on King Halrald and drive the price down.
Mon the Hoops
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Finally getting around to posting on this excellent blog which has provided me with much entertainment over the past couple of years(internet access intermittent!).
Seems Wattie is himself surprised by his own teams'performance.I think thats as far as they'll go with a classy Fiorentina,heavyweight Bayern Munich and this year's Shaktar,Zenit St.Petes left in competition.But who knows with his 4-3-2-1 Wattenechio formation.It may be anti-football,but Mr.Smith seems to optimise the performance of the tools he's been supplied with.Watching an ageing Christain Dailly tonight ,he looked like a better central defender(in the air and on the ground)than Mick and Gary.
As has been observed repeatedly on here,wee Gordon doesn't want to vary his tactics much.Personally,I have given up on Donati in particular.Bloke 109,you have stolen my thunder on my first post as I agree with this redundant wing-play to cross-balls.Lee Wilkie and Gary Kenneth are both about eight tall and even after 90 mins we were still lobbing in high balls.Ditto Zander Diamond/Considine;Weir/Cueller and the Motherwell lads.Gordon,what about some shots from outside the box a la Murdo McLeod?
Agree with some on here that the next few cames will be won or lost when the team sheets are announced.Are the players being over trained or over coached?Scott Brown offers midfield dig and stamina like no other in Scotland.Whats happened to his first touch and composure in front of goal?Certainly not the Hibs player of old.I'd still play him,Hartley and Robson together and shoot from the halfway line!
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Bournesouprecipe
Ye of great name, thanks I will read it tomorrow as I'm a bit knackered
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god how sad ,no pathetic maybe a better choice of words your all preoccupied in what rangers do is this just to soften the pain that your teams mince , got one jerk going on about a banner rangers fans suppose to have had nakamura eat my dog ,fact dimwit parts of japan actually bred the chow dog not as a pet but as a delicacy..2 anti football erm ohh were here some one say this so lets all repeat it ... boring at least use your own brain cell to think something up .. but anti football what wre you doing on thursday night beside watching to see if rangers would slip up opps your team out of everything forgot lol then the narrow boat tim or should he be called narrow minded nakamura did a great job of a kamikasi pilot to get a free kick then score from it .. and malceye im sure if cuellar had joined you lot you be saying hes the greatest ..to end your green with jealousy is so sad i hoipe rangers hammer u manky lot next wed and shut u up proper ...fail fail
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At least the huns won't get a holiday out it if they get to the Final. I enjoyed my 3 days in Madrid either side of the match, they'll enjoy their 3 hour bus ride either side of theirs, if they make it of course.
I don't know for sure but I would imagine it's the same Police force that covers Bolton and Manchester. I wonder how that same Police force who prevented Rangers playing Bolton in a pre-season friendly feel about having 80,001 (the figure that will be quoted by the Scottish Press so it's more than reported for Seville) of them down for a match in Manchester?
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Bournesouprecipe...
Question Re: your name I've seen a few quote they like your name...I'm abit slow on the uptake...
o1bhoy
whowondersCSC
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magoo...
You need yer Eye's tested sir...
o1bhoy
weresdatwabbittCSC...
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magoo
I bet you were top of your class for English. My 6 year old bhoy would be able to type a more coherent and properly spelt post. He would also be able to teach you about such things like full stops, capital letters and paragraphs.
I've added a website you might find useful:
For Magoo
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o1bhoy
i've read your posts nothing slow about you sir
the names a malopropism for a popular movie
p.s.
here's that
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('. ')
(")(")_)
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magoo
move right along hunothy
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Bournesouprecipe...
Mal-What...I thought and maybe you are a Mel-Bourne Lhad...
o1bhoy
wholearns2newwordsadayCSC...
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magoo
yoor geein oor team a riddy the peepole oan heer are good peeople yoor attach oan the chosen one wisnae right right so awaw tae yir kip an lit the wife back oan the camputer.
yoors aye reddy walt
legwensalooserrfc
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Edward... Enjoy your moment.
Magoo.... Your diction gives you away. You media types are always looking for an audience to split...
You know what the Russians say dont you?
When you are sober the truth is in the heart...When you are drunk the truth is in the tongue.
Roll On...You Angry Bitter Wee Runt
o1bhoy@ 00:45
Liked your Napoleon quote...
A Leader is a Dealer in Hope.
Perhaps also... a Healer of Dopes....
Look at what Walter has done for magoo.
AAFG
Well said. A Profound & Prescient Present of a Post. Some people cannae help looking a gift horse in the mouth....
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referring to earlier points - we are not losng this league due to a poor defense (although we clearly need to improve).
We are not scoring goals throughout the team - we need a midfield to chip in with goals. The only guy i can see getting into double figures from midfield would be Robson...or Hartley if played in a forward position.
I am losing patienc ewith our manager and his inability to put a team formation on the park capable of threatning from diff positions , includng an areal threat.
We have a squad of reasonable players but we are weak and the manager has made us weak. Celtic has been crying out for tougher players.
I think its unfortunate that Bobo and Wilson have been injured as they certainly would add dig to this team.
At this stage i'm not sure the manager sees it - if not he wont last long! I hope he wakes up
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At the risk of sounding naive,i just don't understand all this talk of people giving up watching Celtic,due to a dislike of the manager,or indeed,displeasure at our playing style,off the top of my head,i can't think of ONE scenario which would engender the same response from me.Over my considerable amount of years following Celtic,i,like everyone else,have experienced many highs and some incredibly hurtful lows,in all that time,it has NEVER entered my head that i should stop following this club,truthfully,i just can't imagine what would have to happen to make me feel that way.No matter how badly we performed,irrespective of our failings on the field,NOTHING,could stop me from loving my club,faithful through and through,that's supposed to be our mantra,let's try to remember it
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stebhoy (04:16)
I always argue that successful Celtic teams have a goalscoring midfielder that will contribute 12-18 goals per season, supplimenting our usually prolific forwards and our 6-8 goal per season centre half...
Unfortunately I can only see one solution to our current malaise and fear that it may be too late to rectify the situation this season.
JohnnyQuest (04:17)
Here here and Hail Hail,
G
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Paul67: You are seriously deluded if you think one wee (spin-orienated) warning in May last year about Rangers being stronger this season excuses your very silly GoD theory (please read other views in Timdom).
Read the pro-Strachan-board-tripe you churned out after that one-off marker.
You bought the board propaganda PR- hook, line and stinker.
Hinkel is our saviour?- get real.
The truth is: no investment-no trophies.
"Skint" Murray now has at least two trophies this season.
GoD is now being shown up as your misguided dream.
Real Celtic fans demand a leadership that insists on genuine superiority not the elitist claptrat of the BB's clique.
PS: I don't have to know these guys personally, but when one of their bunch posts that they are all well-to-do-fellas then, yes, I want to vommit.
The coterie have got it badly wrong this season.
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Georgiebhoy: I did excitedly follow the link to your question.
Sadly, all it told me you were somewhere in Australia.
Posts your thoughts here and I will reply.
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Sean South (05:18)
...see this new technology....I thought I was being smart. Sorry.
I merely wish to clarify, without picking at old sores, the details of the clique that you mention. How do YOU define the membership? Is there a minimum number of traits required? Is it only by attending BB's of a matchday (pre and/or post match)? Do you have to have attended one or all of the events organised?
Just trying to establish, in my own mind, the parameters. As I said originally, I am not attempting to be confrontational - I am merely curious.
Cheers and Hail hail.
G.
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SeanSouth...
Yer a hard Man to Catch...soyeirso...
At 10/04/08 11:59, o1bhoy said…
Repost...
Sean... It was this post you didn't get back to me on...Curiously...
SeanSouth...
Thank you sir for your reply...
Huns played 3 games at ipox in August and were BOOED off the park in all THREE...Even the 7-2 against Falkirk they were BOOED at halftime...They also lost to Kilmarnock in AUGUST...
What actually made you Convinced they would WIN the league in AUGUST... By the way they have NOT WON IT YET...
Sean...I'm a sort of mugpropunter...
I will take info on anything... As i said I'm just curious...
Again cheers HAIL HAIL...
o1bhoy
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Had a decent night avioding tv and not giving that nonsense any thought, but guess facts have to be faced.
I want them out at the first available opportunity in all competitions.
As said by others before, it makes our collapse all the worse.
Heres a question I have been asking gloaters the past month:
Name a European great that they have ever beaten in Europe? In their history.
Im talking about teams that have won the EC/CL, long history of domestic success, huge support, legendary players etc etc.
Im still awaiting an answer.
Celtic is an answer that qualifies, however it is not valid due to cheating.
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The thought of the huns winning the UEFA cup is frightening. Not only would their triumph be lauded from the rooftops it would constantly compared with our defeat in Seville (you can just hear fat DJ explaing how winning the Uefa cup was more significant than the Lisbon lions).
Can someone give me the devil's email address to make an unholy bargain.
I know I'll get slaughtered for this but I'm prepared to suffer the short term pain of 2 defeats to the huns at home in return for them going out to Fiorentina.
There I've said it.
The league is over anyway and Gordon Strachan needs to go.
Losing twice in the league is definitely less painful than them winning the UEFA Vase.
Frank 666CSC
Ps. I had a horrible dream last night, a nightmare.
We beat them twice at Celtic park but they still win the quadruple and Gordon Strachan stays.
Beat that for horror Stephen King!
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Estadio Nacional
Celtic is an answer that qualifies, however it is not valid due to cheating.
If I were a Hun (and I'm not he quickly adds)I'd p*ss myself laughing at that. I know you're hurting mate, we all are, but steady the buffs!
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Bhoys i think the HUNS WILL MAKE HISTORY in the next round...
I predict it will be the first game ever played in the British Isles in which the Bookies will make the price on a DRAW Odds On...
Tallies v Huns both teams playing for a 0-0 draw can't wait...
Remember Germany v Austria in the World Cup...
o1bhoy
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Sean, mon compadre- there is no 'BB clique'; which if you would discover if you were able to join us. There is a group of [mainly] middle-aged men mumping about the good old days, over a beer and a plate of stovies.
Celtic must be one of the few clubs in the world where the thought of a few supporters going for a drink together would cause so much aggro...
For what it's worth I have not been happy with the team for a long time, and I know who carries the blame for this and it's not the Bhoys I go for a beer with.
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Estadio Nacional
I think you will find that they beat Bayern Munich in the semi final of the cup winners cup in 1972.
I remember that because that same night I was at Celtic park suffering the pain of a pemalty shoot out loss to Milan in the semi final of the European Cup.
If I remember correctly both Celtic and Rangers were in semi finals at home on the same night.
Wouldn't be allowed now.
Frank
ps At the moment i'd be happy to be in the semi final of the Scottish Cup!!
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narrowboat,
I think the explanation as posted by bournesuprecipe on the Sopranos ending is a sound one. It's difficult to read it as anything other than a hit on Tony. And in another nod to the Godfather, the guy who kills him does it after coming out of the bathroom, just like Michael Corleone.
However, there is another, less final ending. Essentially, The Sopranos was a show were loose ends were seldom tied up. Often the convention of bringing storylines to a close was completely ignored (whatever happened to the Russian guy in the Pine Barrens episode for example)? Even when storylines are ended, they end softly rather than dramatically. Junior is left to simply veg away, Pauly sunbathes outside Satriales, we learn that Tony is facing a possible RICO trial etc.
That's life. It's often anti-climatic and devoid of neat endings. To my mind that has been the genius of this show- to ignore every accepted TV or Hollywood convention about storytelling and conclusions.
So you could read the final scene as being entirely typical of the show. Ie, nothing conclusive happens. Tony and family get on with their relatively boring domestic life, full of little dramas like bad parking, which milkshake to choose etc etc. For Tony, there is the added fear that strangers will always pose a threat- he will never be able to sit easy in a diner without wondering who the bloke in the baseball cap is.
But basically, he is getting on with life.
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The darnel win and all positivity goes oot the windae. I don't understand this.
THEY ARE NOT OF US
ps Ed - enjoy the moment
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So the "semi-final" against Marseille back in the 90's was not a semi-final after all.
I'm sure we all knew that but the hacks didn't seem to know
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Still rate the Soprano's as some of the best tv ever.
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And Ed.
Congrats to you sir.
I too loved the Druids take and reply! Just noticed it this morning when going back over last nights comments.
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Sean,
You definitely don't come across as well in print when the sub isn't checking your work.
Paul67 isn't God, he isn't responsible for Celtic playing poorly. He is a guy who writes a blog. Get over it.
Notinthecliquecsc
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Some of us were hoping the image might be available on a Bosman
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Sean South
you continually undermine the many valid points you assert by your constant reference to the BBs clique. It truly smacks of the only boy in class not invited to the party. Paul and CQN do not hold rights of entry to BBs. You are as welcome as anyone. I do not consider myself a happyclapper nor toady of the Board. I contribute to this site and I have been to BBs (albeit only managed once). So remove the chip from your shoulder as it currently obscures the arguments you make.
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taliabhoy
Looks like there's not any point now in my watching the final Sopranos episode as I had planned o -)
Sean South, I have read your views on the team all season and have never felt there was a lot to argue with so I have never felt the need to communicate directly with you before. I can see why you think you’ve been given a hard time on a couple of occasions. However, banging on about this BB clique/elitist nonsense is getting in the way of your otherwise well delivered argument and therefore does you a disservice.
So you know, I have met with others in that pub. I do not have the phone number or email address of any of those people except for one whom I have known for 45 years (mostly middle aged men is right) so I do not communicate other than through this blog or face to face in the pub. (Insufficient means, therefore, to plot and plan the clique’s next move). Rather than happy clapping or joyful singing with tambourines, and beatific smiles, the football discussion when I have been there centred on how awful we are at the moment and how awful we were for a good part of last season. People have had their head stuck in a pint more than stuck in the sand. As DBBIA said, the discussion takes in a lot of other things but as yet, I have not yet heard anybody planning on how to sort out that so and so Sean South.
It's a pub, Sean, as in open to the public. It's not a lodge and there is no password or need to rearrange your clothing to get in. It’s where Celtic supporters meet before and after games. That’s all it is. You would be very welcome there…. but carry a loaded Glock just in case!
All the very best to you and hail hail.
John
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I don't know why Celtic fans keep proclaiming their annoyance at (probably) losing the league to "a poor Rangers team". I watched the game last night, and I also saw their game in Bremen, and most of the recent Rangers v Celtic game, and whilst they do appear to ride their luck perhaps rather more than Celtic, they also play some very composed football, particularly in defence.
How many times last night did we see them calmly passing the ball out of tight defensive situations, thereby retaining possession and easing the pressure, rather than just hoofing the ball away from the goal straight back to the opposition? How many times did they comfortably deal with crosses into the penalty area? And how many amazing saves did McGregor have to make to keep them in the game?
Now consider Celtic's European away games this season, and ask yourself the same questions about Celtic.
Then there were the goals that Rangers scored last night. Both of them were excellently crafted and executed, and had Rooney & Ronaldo scored those goals for Man Utd we'd have been talking about "two great goals" to finish the tie. What wouldn't we give to see JVoH and Skippy performing so clinically!?
So, let's look on the bright side. Rangers have yet another two games to fit in, against a very strong Fiorentina side, who must surely be too good to become the next victims of the Govan mob. And if luck does really even out over the season, the extra effort in their European campaign will see Rangers drawing a couple of league games, and losing twice at CP, while a much fresher Celtic win every remaining game.
But if this doesn't come to pass, then we will have the consolation of having finished second to what I would suggest is actually a very good Rangers team. Scant consolation I know, and I'm sure you'll all disagree, but we have no divine right to win everything all the time... and there is always next season!
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Sean Sabhat - now there was a real journo !!
Beebaw Babbity
Beebaw Babbity, Babbity Babbity
Beebaw Babbity, kiss a bonny wee lassie
Ah'd raither kiss a lassie o
A lassie o, a lassie o
Ah'd raither kiss a lassie o
Than kiss a bonnie wee laddie
(preferably dontbratt's current muse)
Sad Are The Homes Round Garryowen
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Long long time lurker, first time poster.
it hurts, it really hurts, where did we go wrong.
I am a season ticket holder for many a year, but work
abroad so don’t get to see the bhoys as often as I’d
like
for the first season I can remember that I can’t give my season
ticket away it’s that bad.
if WGS plays 442 on wed heaven help us.
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BigChipSuk,
The real strength of Rangers is their manager. He knows his team's strengths and weaknesses. He makes sure they play to their strengths whilst minimising their weaknesses. He also gets a lot of graft and effort out of his group.
Cadizzy- oops, sorry! Still worth watching though! I might rewatch later myself!
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Italiabhoy, just think what he could do with our players then ("we have better players"), if he can achieve what he is in the process of doing so with that mob!
Do you think he could be tempted across the city to replace GS when he leaves?!!! ;o)
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If liam* is out there?
I got a reply from the SPL regarding the complaint about the Artur Boruc banner at Ibrox. The complaint has been "passed to the Secretary for his attention...... Comments will be reviewed alongside reports, if any, from the Police Match Commander, the Referee and / or his Assistants, the SPL Match Delegate and the Clubs involved in the League Match in question."
Cheers.
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Bono asked me to forward this to the mineshaft clique
Haven't seen you in quite a while
I was down the hold just passing time
Last time we met was a low-lit room
We were as close together as a bride and groom
We ate the food, we drank the wine
Everybody having a good time
Except you
You were talking about the end of the world
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ooh aaah
"passed to the Secretary for his attention......"
I suspect what they realy mean is that it has been passed to asecretary for filing!
Italiabhoy, no worries. It hasn't spoiled iot for me. Nothing was more certain than Tony getting whacked apart from the generation of domination, obviuosly. (Fellow clique members, that was a joke, honest!)
