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bush
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nelsbhoy
whit you daen i`m from the dark side
thanks pal
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Spikeys
A couple of games before Black Sunday we took the trousers off the huns at their own midden in the Craig Bellamy show.
What chance our current team doing that.
We were poor that year by MON's high standards but a million miles better than we are now.
The Juventus game we were still in the hunt for qualification and there's always something at stake in huns games.
If MON had capitulated to a poor huns team due to inept signings, lack of tactical ability and a habit of continaully playing players who are off form or mince or both then yes I would have sacked him.
I repeat at no point in MON's tenure were we as depressingly poor as we are today.
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From last post...
Boy Malloy (without the H)
fyi, GS took southampton to an FA cup final and their highest league position since the inception of the Premiership. After he left, they went into freefall and were relegated. Not even the much vaunted George Burley (who some on here would have us believe would've hammered Gordon Strachan had the jammed farts not sacked him mid season) has been able to get remotely close to what Gordon Strachan delivered for that club.
Some are so blind that they cannot see!
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That article today consisting of the fixture potential mock up, there is one minor flaw that the Scottish Cup Semi-final does not go to a replay.
So they wouldn't have a potential replay on the 21st May.
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VILLAREAL
are by no stretch of the amagination a small team
what can be done with a reasonable budget and a GOOD manager
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paul67
you touched on this before regarding the portugese leagues
i have watched the spanish football this season and would say it is the best football to watch
maybe we need to raid the managers in this league before we worry about the players
ulster-celt
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At 12/04/08 00:10, Blogger the devil plays 4-5-1 said…
From last post...
So good you have to say it twice :)
End of the day. Strachan is a clueless arse.
Paul 67. I hear what you are saying but you know where I'm coming from.
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We should always be measured by results against them.In my small minded opinion nothing else.
Not good enough Gordon.The Oppressed need ammunition.
pf dont get yeh?
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pfayr
Keep watching the telly? Enlighten me before I go to my bed. What you on about? Or is it 'no idea' again?
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Bhoy Molloy without the H. What does that say about the posters that say that? Childish?
Get a life.
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swansea
BOOOO
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Michael Collins im hoping not to get drawn into a MoN versus Gordon debate but if you think in your words
'I repeat at no point in MON's tenure were we as depressingly poor as we are today.'
Then you did not watch the last part of that season. It was up there with the football Lou Macari served us.
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nelsbhoy
thought you were on my side re timmy 7...should have known better from the establishment:¬)
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Michael Collins ,
I repeat at no point in MON's tenure were we as depressingly poor as we are today.
From the 87 minute onwards on Sunday, 22 May, 2005.
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At 12/04/08 00:15, Blogger greenlion2 said
Spot on m8. Passion belief commitment have exited the building when MON left CP.
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Just posted this reply when the new article was posted.
swanseabhoy;
it's a very fair question......
If I seen my time fight like lions and give their all for the jersey in 99% of the games they play and lose the title after giving their all I'd think to myself it simply wasn't to be .....but I'd feel very proud of the team and the club and know we'd be back bigger, fitter, stronger and hungrier next season to win that title back.
If I seen a team play like we are and watch the same non performers play week in week out and watch a manager who really does seem to know how to change our fortunes then I'd say thank you.......time for a change.
I don't see a team right now that has the gritty taste for a fight or one that can go on a winning run of 7 games........I really hope I'm so wrong.....but I can only tell it like I see it.
We can't go changing managers every year if we don't win the SPL I agree with everyone who states that but I just can't ignore what I see right now from my club on the park.
I'm now away off to my scratcher.........cheers for the chat
hail hail
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Despite their low status Getafe do have the benefit of playing in a better league than we do. Their squad may not be high profile but they are regularly tested by top teams such as Real Madrid, Barcelona, Sevilla, Valencia etc which makes the step up in Europe football easier. Good point about scouting players from the major leagues on the continent and I agree with the sentiment. We did that with Donati though so it doesn't guarantee success (although I still harbour hopes that we’ll see a better player next season). Hinkel is a good example of a well priced player with plenty of ability experienced in the top leagues.
It’s worth remembering though that even Aberdeen caused Bayern some problems at home so maybe the Getafe performance/result doesn’t reflect the true quality on show.
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Blogger enrico_annoni said...
Michael Collins ,
I repeat at no point in MON's tenure were we as depressingly poor as we are today.
From the 87 minute onwards on Sunday, 22 May, 2005.
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3 shagging minutes as opposed to what????
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pfayr
C'mon. I'm knackered but intrigued.
Try it in something like English and let me get to my pit. What you on about?
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Boy Malloy - articulate reposte...clearly you are a master debater
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greenlion2
If you think GS Compares to MON Judas Escariot has a good chance of winning Disciple of the Year.
Cmon man get with it.
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pf
Always on your side.You are a true Defender(of the faith).
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too much abuse here
of us that don`t like WGS ...we are entitled
of those that do
fair enjoy
but stop abusing those who don`t
swanseabhoy .....nothing cryptic
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Blogger the devil plays 4-5-1 said...
Boy Malloy - articulate reposte...clearly you are a master debater
How about this. Whatever.
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lost another goddam post.
PFayr, you have summed it up; always look to the next game. That is what we did in the bad old days. Anyway no more from me tonight. We have already descended into disrespectful forms of address and it would only get worse - apologies btw, it was me that started it.
Nelsbhoy, I never lose pride in being a Celt.
01bhoy, I'm old school too. fitba' should kick off at 3.00pm on a Saturday. :¬)
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GL2
Did you attend or watch the Craig Bellamy show at Ibrox.
We lost the league in the last 5 mins of the season by one point and won a Scottish cup.
We sit here today out of everything and effectively have been for several weeks.
I stand by what i said that we appeared poor that year because of MON's high standards but were stii light years ahead of the dross we are being served up now.
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Hi Guys, First a most humble and heartfelt apology to my fellow tims out there whom I criticised for their alleged behaviour in Barca. I am old enough to know better than to be taken in by the Tabs, in my defence however it was being reported in the broadsheets and there was even a non link in a CQN post. To find out that it has been the usual lies is one of the few lights on my horizon..
Edward congratulations to you on your team’s achievements so far this season I was very confident that they would beat Sporting. ( Green and white hoops, good players lacked concentration defensively and no penetration up front . Remind you of anyone?) the sytem is working. Your assessment of your team was more accurate than mime for my team although I honestly had my doubts but allowed my hopes to build up.
Has anyone seen our manager’s comments in the guardian? I invite you all to read them and if you think he should still be in the job then you are not the discerning knowledgeable posters I have always taken you to be. After the last FOD game I reluctantly came to the conclusion that the wee man should be replaced and his utterances since then have only reinforced my opinion. So far we have had him blame the gods of football bad luck and bad playing surfaces for our defeats but what really really worries me is that he says he doesn’t know why we have had such poor results of late. This is the sound of a man who is living life totally inside his own head and should really pack his bags and go. Go with our thanks he has had genuine achievements but as I say imho he has lost it.
The cannon no the canon CSC
Aio quantitas magna frumentorum est.
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timmy 7
whatever
you have your view i have mine
apology accepted
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Paul67...
GETAFE!!!...Cheers i was just getting over that result...
This time last week i really thought Celtic...Arsenal...West Brom...Getafe were all going to go on and WIN their respected Competitions... I have followed/bet them all Season they all try to play football the Celtic Way...
But as this weeks results have shown it can be Naieve...
o1bhoy
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Bhoy Molloy you have not understood what I said or taking the p'
Nelsbhoy I dont understand your point .SpykesAuldMan posted on the lat thread a great post which no on has replied to. Here it is
m molloy
so at what point in mons tenure did you want to sack him ?
(read this all - i am not comparing mon to wgs - i am not saying mon was good bad or anything)
just want to understand my fellow tims
was at after 1-5 ?
was it after ICT ?
was if after 7 games without a win against eck ?
was it after his transfer inactivity ?
was it after ecks scottish cup win ?
was it after ecks first league win ?
was it after not playing lubo or wee brazilian ?
was it after playing his faves too much ?
was it after not giving youth a chance ?
was it after his gentlemans agreement with leeds ?
was it after young boys ?
was it after black sunday ? ecks second league win ?
btw, i loved mon, but he had his flaws.
wgs, i like him, he has many flaws
Please post your answer as no one else has.
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pfayr
Fair enough.
Wife thinks you think I'm in Swansea and don't get to the games.
If that's it you're wrong. If not.. well like you I've 'no idea'.
That's enough for me. Night night.
SwanseaBhoy in Rutherglen who can see Paradise from his living room window.
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GG
profound...indeed
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michael collins
always enjoy your posts
mon was in a different league than wgs
"i will do everything in my power to bring success to this football club"
ulster-celt
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Tiger woods is 7 off the lead would you back against him not winning the Masters as he is a winner?
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swanseabhoy
so what
stated response to those whom i don`t think get the games because of their poor understanding of what is going on at CP..if not ....so be it
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At 12/04/08 00:28, Blogger greenlion2 said…
Bhoy Molloy you have not understood what I said or taking the p'
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You put up the best anti Strachan post of the night. Dont hide your light behind a bushel.
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At 12/04/08 00:28, Blogger greenlion2 said…
Bhoy Molloy you have not understood what I said or taking the p'
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You put up the best anti Strachan post of the night. Dont hide your light behind a bushel.
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Boy Malloy 00.23 - i'm out the game on that one.
PFayr - nothing pains me more than a split in the camp. However what needs to be understood is that people who deliver criticisms on the level which has been delivered here against WGS (feel free to be critical of tactics, signings etc - but some of it is on a personal level)...some people who disagree retort in kind.
Its kind of like the people who get upset at the Holy Goalie confronting them after 90 minutes of abuse. As ma auld Da taught me - if you're big enough to dish it out, be big enough to take it back.
Hail Hail
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GL2;
damn i was just away to my bed and you posted another question.....
If it wasn't for MON's wifes illness he might still be our boss and delivering titles....yeap his last season went Pete Tong but his wife came first (if you pardon the innuendo) and I understand that.....but he's now managing someone else.
He was a man who brought a huge amount of pleasure to many many celtic fans and I respect the man immensely.
Gordon Strachan has also brought much pleasure and great nights to Celtic Park and in my opinion does not deserve to be abused verbally or hear the abuse from the stands like we seen last week but we are all passionate people some just let it go and take it too far......
I'm def' away this time.
hail hail
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Swanseabhoy
If I walk up the hill around the corner, I can see it too...
Bloke109, forming a G73 clique :)
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pfayr 23.47
Why were you going to watch Queen's Park during our dark years.If you mean our Hampden year did you not have a seat like the rest of us.
That year was easy to take(at least we won the SC) compared to the previous 6 when we won hee haw meaning I was 24 before I could legally celebrate Celtic winning a trophy with a good drink.
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devil
please articulate what your saying
i don`t follow
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Great site. Been a lurker for a few years, but have never posted. Dunno why that is, could be laziness or a fear of not feeling intellectual enough to contribute to the main debates lol, but I'm learning!!
FAO Kojo..
Still way off understanding your contributions, but enjoy the challenge of deciphering.
All the best Paul67.
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SACK STRACHAN!
MANAGER MUST WALK NOW!
HE'S LOST THE DRESSING ROOM!
NOT AS GOOD AS MON!
CQNers CONCEDE LEAGUE!!!
EH?
No, not lazy journalism just lazy blogging.
Celt33
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Bhoy Malloy please point me to my inane drivel
Pj I think MoN is judged differently from Gordon both have more or less at present first 3 years in success. If we get a miracle Gordon has a better.
So why the feeling?
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Swansea
I could see it fae ma grans in Rutherglen when a went on me hols fro Ireland, but I can see it above ma mantle piece now.lol.
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Grenback
welcome
KOJO
don`t even try mate it will do your head in
hail hail
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jmy ...etc
fair enough
when we had jack it is easy
we should be at least in the hunt now ...we are not
failure is worse when your rich
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greenlion,
To misquote some obscure American politican - "We ain't no Tiger Woods!
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a wee sing song while we are waiting on the mineshafters response
Rod and Hugh
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Greenlion2...
Tiger Woods could stil do it...
I hope he dosen't the Dude i bet had a bad 1st day so went in today to bet a n other...
My favourite 2 Players Pouter and Casey were Jumping out the page at me...
Reason... They were both paying 67s... Both in with a good shout...
67s... Thanks Celtic...
o1bhoy
whobets67allthetimeCSC
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bloke109 and swanseabhoy
count me in as well to the new clique g73's
- btw i can see the big screen right now out our back windows.
come on you cliquers g73 ya dancers
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Looking at the stats is a sobering experience.
In terms of league wins GS is our fifth most sucessful manager, and in total trophies is sixth best. Means hee-haw in the scheme of things, just if we have a new guy next season, he has to be much better, not just 'couldn't be worse'.
Failure from strength is failure squared. I just made that up.
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anyone drink in lynch's the old burnt barns?
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pfayr
Thanks for the welcome.
Kojo is something else lol
Quality stuff though.
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bournesoup
Welcome aboard :)
Of course, we'll never truly have arrived as a clique until Sean South says something like 'and all those G73-ers' in a derogatory fashion. Joke, Sean!
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Bhoy Molloy ,
3 shagging minutes or 3 months , it does not matter when the end result is failure.
Get your head round that one.
Saint Martin was allowed to fail and to inferior rangers sides he did. Our current manager isn't allowed to fail but it looks as if he night fail so he's had his time , its up , time to go. You can be poor for 3 months and loose or you can be poor for 3 minutes and loose , the end result was the same. You'll find it was more than 3 minutes in 2005 though.
Do you understand me or do you want me to break it down even further from layman's terms?
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GL2
rod is a star
cannae do links cause am a numpty..try "your in my heart"
just woke up the hoose singing
AIN`T NO FUN BEING A HUN ................................................
most of the time
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At 12/04/08 01:02, Blogger enrico_annoni said…
OK :):):):)
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Boy Molloy,
You silly, silly, silly boy.
You just don't get it, do you?
Keep digging.
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Bhoy Molloy ,
By the way , It may have taken greenlion2 a while to realise that Strachan was a diddy but believe me it didn't take most of us on here to long to realise that your a diddy.
G'nite mate , all the best.
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Blogger is killing me at the moment
pfayr here you go
For pfayr
BM you've lost me not for the first time.
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Craig Burley...
On Setanta's Friday Football Show speaking about der huns with a... English Accsent...? come on Craig they understand Fergie and Dalglish...firfecsake...
o1bhoy
mibeespwodmibeesnoCSC
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bloke109
a clique outwith the real clique, methinks also.
a clique reared on andy warnock sausages
dellos chips, and other ruglionian fine fayre.
a mere gentle stroll through salubrious dalmarnock
when all at once we see - our golden palace of the himalayas - paradise.
ahhhhhhh rutherglen
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I love it.Keep it coming :)
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The Strachanites hang on in to the bitter end. FOOLS :):):):)
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GL2
You said no-one responded to Spikeysauldmans post but my reply is at the top of this thread.
Enrico
Even in our darkest hour we still managed a couple of wins against the huns and a Scottish cup .
I really do despair if anyone after what we have witnessed this year still thinks that as a manager WGS even come close to MON.
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At 12/04/08 01:14, Blogger Michael Collins said…
Its a crime m8 to challenge the establishment thinking on here ;););)
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Michael apologies but I replied to you. In MoNs last season for the second part of it the worst football I have saw since Lou Macari.
If Gordon had been delivered the same hand that MoN had and vice versa who would have been the better manager?
I believe MoN but he had not came up against the most sucessful manager in Scotland since Jock (even better than MoN) so its hard to compare.
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BhoyMolloy...Michael Colins...
When you first heard WGS would be the New Celtic Manager what did you think/do...?
o1bhoy
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bm do you know the only people on this blog who moan about their opinion being marganilised are the 'mineshafters' and I would would bet that they are the most aggressive people on the blog.
Its almost as my hun barber said to me today you are as bad as us when i talked about players diving and I asked for examples..... you guessed it he was struggling.
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At 12/04/08 01:21, Blogger greenlion2 said…
Spot on again. No comparison between MON and Strachan. MON everyday of the week.
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Blogger o1bhoy said...
BhoyMolloy...Michael Colins...
When you first heard WGS would be the New Celtic Manager what did you think/do...?
o1bhoy
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Not good enough.
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GL2
Its a bit of a fallicy that MON inherited a better hand than WGS.
MON inherited a team that had lost the league by 20 points while WGS inherited a team that lost the league by 1 point inthe last minutes of the season and were the Scottish cup holders.
When MON arrived in 2000 we were not even expected to challenge Rangers and the Rug who were spending far more than MON did assembling a side.
MON's first season treble came at a time when Mintys ego was writing huge cheques the club couldnt cover but he still saw them away in all competitions.
MON also recorded a whitewash of five victories against them.
WGS' entire time as Celtic manager has been during a period when Rangers have been either net sellers or spent very little.
Dont get me wrong I'm not dismissing what WGS has achieved, a lot more than I thought he would but his deficiencies as a manger have been bubbling to the surface over the past 18 months and his time is now up.
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Blogger o1bhoy said...
BhoyMolloy...Michael Colins...
When you first heard WGS would be the New Celtic Manager what did you think/do...?
o1bhoy
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Not good enough.
So who ?
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o1Bhoy
The first thing that I thought was lack of ambition.
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MichaelCollins
Ok, be ambitious, if there is to be a new guy, who?
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Bhoy Molloy...
When you first realised we had for the first time in our History Qualified for the last 16 of the CL after we had beaten Man Utd over 2 legs...What did you think/do...?
o1bhoy
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Michael Laudrup next Celtic manager?
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To those who would have Mr Strachan gone before sunrise,
Think about it.
The time for a managerial change of direction is not now.
Who? Now that is the question.
We already have a manager for season 07/08, as Mr Rogers once said, there'll be time enough for countin' when the dealings done.
My opinion is reserved for after we finally play our only rivals for this league at home.
Fixture computers? You couldn't make it up!
Two leagues in a row must buy some slack? No?
In a game where the margin for error is so slight we could easily be singing the praise of our manager at the moment.
On more important matters, our next match. How do we beat Motherwell this time? Do we need a battering ram in the side to break down the inevitable packed defence?
Celt33
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Bloke 109
Guus Hiddink
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Michael Collins...
When you first realised we had for the first time in our History Qualified for the last 16 of the CL after we had beaten Man Utd over 2 legs...What did you think/do...?
o1bhoy
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could even get his brother as assistant given hs knowledge of Scottish fitba :)
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Michael this is why I dont want to get into a debate on the 2 most succesful managers in the last 30 years.
MON would not have won the league with the squad he left as they were ageing.
You could get into the debate that what would he have done without Henrik. This months 442 magazine has him as one of the best foreign players ever to play in Britain never mind Scotland.
I always look to celebrate our success rather than try to look at our losses. I have been lucky enough to be young enough to miss the real barren years of the 50's until Jock and lucky enough to be old enough to have watched the end of the lions onwards.
Let me say watching us lifting trophies and in the san siro etc is a lot better than waiting on us beating Airdire o win our first trophy in years.
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o1bhoy
I thought brilliant and I had a beer or three.
As I said previously WGS has achieved more at Celtic than I expected so full respect to him for that.
However beating Milan and Man Utd are not markers to say we are back amongst the best in Europe anymore than Clyde would be amongst the best in Scotland after beating us or Barnsley amongst the best in England after beating Chelsea and Liverpool.
The crux of this argument is/was that MON's record was no better than WGS' and I'm saying that this is nonsense.
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mick mc carthy.
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MichaelCollins
My glass is half-full, especially if you're buying... if we win the league this season... GS will be well up there, right?
If... I know, I know...
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Things have been worse
Rod asking
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Michael would you concede that Gordon is at least the second most successful manager we have had since Jock?
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Michael Collins...
Guus is a fantastic Manager but he's a Mercenery... would he go and watch our youth team and reserves...Mon didn't...
Every team Guus has left go downhill fast...to short term fix to expensive... but good Manager...
o1bhoy
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Michael Collins, I was pleased to read the last paragraph of your post @ 01.31.
Like you I would always vote for MON ahead of Gordon Strachan, but it annoys me when I hear Celtic fans belittle Gordon's achievements, as though his success just fell into his lap without any effort on his part.
I've posted this before but I think it's worth repeating. Those who criticise Gordon Strachan for collapsing at the first sign of a challenge from Rangers might want to recall that the same thing happened with MON. On the only occasions that Rangers put in a challenge against MON they won the title each time.
I agree that Gordon should probably go at the end of this season, but I think it would reflect better on us as a support if he left with our gratitude for what he achieved in the last 2 seasons rather than under a torrent of abuse. I think he deserves better than that.
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Bhoy Molloy...
When you first realised we had for the first time in our History Qualified for the last 16 of the CL after we had beaten Man Utd over 2 legs...What did you think/do...?
o1bhoy
Were you struck dumb...?
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KKD when he took over Newcastle had o build up a youth academy as Keegan did not bother with anything outside the first team.
KKD when he came to us built up the same structure and then Gordon has had to rebuild it. Gordons legacy will be with us long after he leaves.
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GS in tomorrow's Times:
“Some people cannot deal with the pressure of being Celtic players,” he said. “Over time, I will find out whether this group can or not.”
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Good night and God bless
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half and half,
M MC CARTHY
jasus bhoy,I nearly had a heart attack when I read that.
My worst nightmare I think,,close call with Roy Hodgson maybe.
Typing those words might give them power!If it turns true,we'll find out where you live;)
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o1bhoy
Guus Hiddink for me is ,pound for pound, the best manager in the world.
