TITLE: Lawwell’s monkeys running out of audience with ‘Wolf’ cries AUTHOR: Paul67 DATE: 4/24/2008 11:55:00 PM ----- BODY: While the ‘Scotland’s shame’ banner was the cleverest thing I have seen come from football stands since the beach ball carpet at Ibrox in 2003, I enjoyed the Rangers’ banner, “Scot’s Mhedia, Lawwell’s monkeys” last week. Coming as it does in a season when the Scot’s (sic) media have reported falsehoods and offensive remarks against Celtic people (STV - Pittodrie, Daily Record – Jock Stein, Sun – fans in Barcelona, Sunday Herald – bead rattling), perhaps they believe Peter Lawwell has been running a subversive plot against Celtic and the club’s fans by having his monkeys report as they do. Or maybe the fact that the mud doesn’t stick is beginning to get to them and they inadvertently betrayed an assessment for the job our chief executive is doing. ‘They’re as bad as each other’ has been peddled lazily in Scotland for as long as I have been media aware, but I don’t hear it anymore from anyone worth reading or listening too. Neither do Rangers fans, which is why Scotland has new Paranoia Champions. As a result we are under microscopic analysis. If a man wearing green socks sings about the Mountains of Mourne we’ll see the ‘S’ word thrown at Celtic fans again. This situation will not last forever, cries of “Wolf” attract less and less attention each time, and clearly, ‘they’re not as bad as each other’. Enjoy the game. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:Blogger chennaiseabird COMMENT-DATE:24/04/08 23:57 COMMENT-BODY:Not a first at this time? -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:Blogger The Bhoy with the wafer thin eyes COMMENT-DATE:24/04/08 23:58 COMMENT-BODY:Bringing my daughter with me on Sunday. She's never saw us do anything other than beat the bigots.
Hope her run continues. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:Blogger Give McGeady the Number 7 Jersey COMMENT-DATE:25/04/08 00:11 COMMENT-BODY:TBWTWTE...

Excellent, here's hoping.

Hail Hail! -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:Blogger chennaiseabird COMMENT-DATE:25/04/08 00:18 COMMENT-BODY:Speaking of inventiveness, does anyone remember leaving Ibrox in 1966 when the Glasgow Cup was the fifth most important trophy in the world?

They'd been expanding their lungs for a while about living in an Orange Submarine. We beat them 4-0 (McNeill, Lennox 3).

On the way down the treacherous Ibrox steps after the game (the second time that year we'd beaten them by 4 goals) to a man and bhoy we burst into "We've just sunk an Orange Submarine....)

Simple stuff but oh how we laughed.

Still makes me smile though, and shiver at thoss steps. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:Blogger setting free the bears COMMENT-DATE:25/04/08 00:22 COMMENT-BODY:Don't know what colour socks Don was wearing when he sang this but I'm sure Gerry McNee could get him charged for Irish toshery.

sectarian singing


percy french csc -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:Blogger greenlion2 COMMENT-DATE:25/04/08 00:24 COMMENT-BODY:Just in from being up in the big ciy picking the cubs up from a concert. On my way down after dropping them off before the said concert I put on five live and found out the huns game was about to start so before putting on radio 2 as DBBIA had advised I heard the classic lines fom the english commentator.

The huns team who won the last european trophy they won are known as the barcelona bears (ed is that true as it is the first time ive ever heard that name) and he followed it up with the classic and they were led by Tony greig ... as I always said its not cricket when they play.

As I was driving along I thought its good to know that our bbc licence is being well used when both bbc scotland and 5 have 2 seperate commentary teams at the same game and neither of them know what they are talking about. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:Blogger DublinBhoy COMMENT-DATE:25/04/08 00:27 COMMENT-BODY:Paul67:

Was the real champions supporter anyone we know here? :) Would BBC Scotland be so quickly to react?

Hail Hail -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:Blogger bournesouprecipe COMMENT-DATE:25/04/08 00:30 COMMENT-BODY:paul67

mysterious baffling banners that puzzled the north stand.

my daughter tells me the infamous naka banner
is doing nicely as a bebo skin

whatever pleases eh -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:Blogger chennaiseabird COMMENT-DATE:25/04/08 00:34 COMMENT-BODY:Now that's got me started.

Remember the pride in this little nation, when Jock and our team took on the negativity of Italian football and lit a light that has glowed ever since?

The time we killed cattenaccio (spelig from memmory therr)the country celebrated our triumph over darkness, and lavished praise, and revelled in Jock's shadow.

Isaac Newton said "If I have seen a little farther than others, it is because I have stood on the shoulders of giants."

He wasn't the first, of course, nor the last. Sadly, our current crop of opinion shapers speak from beneath the heels of pygmies. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:Blogger greenlion2 COMMENT-DATE:25/04/08 00:35 COMMENT-BODY:Whilst driving tonight it was interesting to see huns buses on the motorway 30 minutes after the game. They obviously dont have a bus park!!! -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:Blogger setting free the bears COMMENT-DATE:25/04/08 00:41 COMMENT-BODY:gl2

I though they parked the buses on their 18 yard line. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:Blogger EdwardUrsus COMMENT-DATE:25/04/08 00:45 COMMENT-BODY:OldTim :- Last thread. Much as you may not like it there is nothing wrong in Rangers fans singing Derry's Walls. There is not one sectarian line or mention in the song and it's not illegal under any fottball governing body rules.
Rangers fans have as much right to sing historical songs as Celtic fans do and I've defended the right of both to do so frequently.
The fact that a song may be offensive is no grounds for having it banned.

Greenlion2 :- That is a fairly common name for the Barcelona CWC winning team. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:Blogger greenlion2 COMMENT-DATE:25/04/08 00:47 COMMENT-BODY:Paul you forgot Scotland on Sunday Artur blessing himself story.

This week alone has been brilliant alone with Aberdeen disallowed goal and no mention of ours.

You could end up with a file the size of the 1 that used to fly around on the mints sayings and interviews. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:Blogger o1bhoy COMMENT-DATE:25/04/08 00:47 COMMENT-BODY:chennaiseabird...

If my Memory serves That Lisbon night we Played the Italions we had 36 Shots (24) on Goal...

Tonight 3 Shots (0) on Goal...

Yes Jock Shoots...

Walt Disnae...

o1bhoy -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:Blogger greenlion2 COMMENT-DATE:25/04/08 00:50 COMMENT-BODY:Ed as I say first time hearing it.

Was your captain that night playing in his whites?

I honestly did not know the score until the 10:30 news on the radio and I would like to say I wish you all the best for the second leg, but I dont like to lie..... -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:Blogger Estadio Nacional COMMENT-DATE:25/04/08 00:54 COMMENT-BODY:Chennaiseabird.

Im sorry Im 34 and missed those great days.
When I went and worked in a charing cross office as an 'apprentice' I remeber a nasty minded blue nose that was rather bitter, never went to games but acted as if he did.
At that time I wasnt going to games. I was a bit Madchester.
Every Monday this feck would come in and big up 'his team'.

But the thing I remember him saying is 'That he as a hun was there to see Celtic bring home the big cup outside CP.'
I think thats one of the reasons that old man is bitter.

I appologise in advance, Chianti didnt work. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:Blogger One Star Means More COMMENT-DATE:25/04/08 00:55 COMMENT-BODY:Edward, mate,

While nobody can be required to post anywhere, and I do think you were at the sharp end of some unfair treatment, I have to say that the sparcity of your posts since the the last time your team were our guests - and your sudden reappearance after a good result - does invite comment on your intestinal fortitude.

I couldn't count the Rangers fans I have known who are highly audible when things are going well for their team and yet "just didn't turn up in the pub that night" when they suffered a surprise reverse.

Strangely, it has honestly been my experience that most Celtic fans really don't do that. There are exceptions, of course, on both sides. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:Blogger One Star Means More COMMENT-DATE:25/04/08 00:58 COMMENT-BODY:Paul 67:

Could you email me at

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Fell asleep second half and even missed the change of thread. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:Blogger lynn'sgreensocks COMMENT-DATE:25/04/08 01:05 COMMENT-BODY:Just in and checking out the bbc sports page, and saw the headline 'Rangers hold Fiorentina'. I thought to myself - if that was us they'd have that as us being held to a draw, and sure enough.. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:Blogger possilbhoy COMMENT-DATE:25/04/08 01:05 COMMENT-BODY:Paul67, you have mail.

dontbrattbackinanger , verbatim & celt4ever ,re my request for help sourcing a book on 24/04/08, thanks for your info & help. I'm sorry i could not reply earlier as i am just in from work.

celt4ever , i have asked Paul67 to pass you my e-mail address so that we can arrange something.

Hail Hail -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:Blogger EdwardUrsus COMMENT-DATE:25/04/08 01:08 COMMENT-BODY:OneStar :- I normally make a point of posting after bad results as well as good, a quick glance through previous posts would prove this. The reason I haven't posted so much recently (in fact hardly at all) was that I was seriously considering removing myself from the blog. This was due to the fact that after a couple of year posting (which should remove any doubts that I don't post after bad results) I still have folk who are desperate to find some element of sectarianism or bigotry in my posts. I still have folk ask me the same question time and time again despite the fact I have given full answers to the question asked. The crunch for me came when I made straightforward football points giving football reasons and was accussed of triumphilism. This was followed bu an outright lie posted about me that I didn't tend to keep away from the blog the day after a Rangers/Celtic game no matter the result.
On reflection I came to the conclusion that missing out on the banter and jokes I have with some folk on here made up for the others. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:Blogger Estadio Nacional COMMENT-DATE:25/04/08 01:14 COMMENT-BODY:This post has been removed by the author. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:Blogger possilbhoy COMMENT-DATE:25/04/08 01:18 COMMENT-BODY:Hi EdwardUrsus,

as someone on here who likes to see blanced but honest views by anyone, i hope that you continue to post on CQN.

Everyone knows there are people on here who wouldn't change their opinion of somethings & some people no matter what evidence was shown to them.

At first i found it strange that a Rangers fan would wish to post on here but because of your honesty & sincerity i believe the vast majority of folk on here respect your opinions & views (though most of us probably curse you after the wrong result, lol).

Take care & keep blogging.

possilbhoy -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:Blogger logger 'GG COMMENT-DATE:25/04/08 01:29 COMMENT-BODY:At 25/04/08 00:18, chennaiseabird said…

I was in the Ibrox stand that night when we won the first leg of our quintuple.
As the Rangers faithful were leaving for the early subwat, we heard one young lad muse aloud to no one in particular:
"They have some team this season."
Little did he know.
I wonder if it were a young Eddie Bear.

'GG -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:Blogger logger 'GG COMMENT-DATE:25/04/08 01:35 COMMENT-BODY:At 25/04/08 01:08, EdwardUrsus said…

Teddy the bits that I saw of the affray indicated that you had been to the Wattie school of in depth defending and you hadn't conceded a goal.

'GG -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:Blogger EdwardUrsus COMMENT-DATE:25/04/08 01:41 COMMENT-BODY:Possilbhoy :- Thank you for those kind words it's the posts and conversations I've had with folk that are along the same lines as that that made me reconsider my original rash decision.

B/(never sure if that's part of the name or not)Logger GG :- I'm afraid back then I wasn't allowed to attend Rangers/Celtic games and would probably have beenfar too young too apreciate what I was seeing. In hindsight though I have to admit the young boy called it 100% right it was some team you had at the time. Though back then rather than admiration it was probably curses and maledictions I used about them :-) -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:Blogger stebhoy COMMENT-DATE:25/04/08 01:49 COMMENT-BODY:i'm facintated with the Ibrox situation right now. Its finely balanced like a powder keg waitng to explode. The same fans who are happy with the "winning ugly" football are waiting to pounce the second Rangers lose due to tactical negativity. I have a feeling this is on the brink.

The football offered by Rangers is quite simply atrocious and a total embarassment.

I watched the game tonight with 3 italians and a dutch couple - i was actually willing Rangers to at least string 3 passes together as i was cringing at the thought of worldwide audiences watching the cream of scottish football look like clueless amateurs - happy to sit at the edge of the 18 yard line for the full 90mins.

Seriously, I cant think of Celtic ever approaching a game with this attitude - this is not football and would be enough to turn supporters away unless you watch your team for non football reasons.

Celtic and Fiorentina must teach them a lesson - creativity , guile and decisiveness must break down this anti entertainment establishment and remind them of why football is the greatest game in the world.

McGeady, Naka, Samaras - this is your stage!

hail hail -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:Blogger chennaiseabird COMMENT-DATE:25/04/08 01:50 COMMENT-BODY:'GG

The early subwat? That wisnae Davie White, wis it?

Coodny biff his wiy ooty a Beano.

Walter's alter ego

Edward

Illegitimi non carborundum.

Keep posting mate. We have to bridge the imaginary divide somehow. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:Blogger One Star Means More COMMENT-DATE:25/04/08 01:51 COMMENT-BODY:Edward,

Everything you say seems fair - and I certainly haven't been here long enough to pass any judgements.

It just surprised me.

I don't think you should be expected to justify every policy of RFC and nor should you have to field the kind of thought police questions that I have seen directed at you.

I have had similar discussion with many Rangers supporters, one of whom I ended up giving my second name. That had a relatively happy ending though it took a twist that few could even have imagined, least of all Mrs Means More. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:Blogger logger 'GG COMMENT-DATE:25/04/08 02:02 COMMENT-BODY:chennaiseabird

I am sure Scot Symon was still in charge then.
Well at least for the rest of the season.

'GG who remembers the 60s better than the 90s. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:Blogger logger 'GG COMMENT-DATE:25/04/08 02:11 COMMENT-BODY:This post has been removed by the author. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:Blogger logger 'GG COMMENT-DATE:25/04/08 02:15 COMMENT-BODY:My previous binned attempt would have attracted the feared attention of the spelling police.

Eddie Bear

The B is indeed part of my assumed nom de plume.
I seized on it when it mysteriously appeared unannounced a wee while ago.
I guess it will have to be ditched when we move to our brand spanking new abode.

'GG who hasn't packed his boxes yet. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:Blogger DublinBhoy COMMENT-DATE:25/04/08 02:18 COMMENT-BODY:dub-tim:

From the last thread: sorry I didn't notice your comment to me about the Herald. I didn't see the article (I don't live in Ireland anymore)but if its the Dublin Herald it will be shining a nice bright light on the murky Dublin RSC and their sad, pathetic existence. I've known about them for a long time but always thought that they kept their heads down. If the Dublin media have publicised their stupid banner the locals wont too happy.
We're an accepting lot but they went way too far with the stupid banner.

Hail Hail -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:Blogger One Star Means More COMMENT-DATE:25/04/08 02:33 COMMENT-BODY:Dub-tim/DublinBhoy:

If I'm not mistaken, even FollowFollow refused to support them with the banner with Dingwall saying he could find no reason for it or humour in it - or words to that effect. That surprised me. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:Blogger One Star Means More COMMENT-DATE:25/04/08 02:35 COMMENT-BODY:Did anyone else get the idea tonight that we are to be faced with a Dick Advocaat-Walter Smith final.

Oh, pukey pukey, as I remarked privately. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:Blogger Stoir Mha Chroi COMMENT-DATE:25/04/08 06:35 COMMENT-BODY:Admit it… you’ve often asked yourself how come Rangers are so much better at it than us.


Skill 1 Rangers Way

Skill 2 Rangers Way

Skill 3 Rangers Way

Skill 4 not quite perfected

Kris perfected

Thomson perfected

Murray perfected

Just Sebo

McGregor perfected


They’re better then we because they are born naturals. Oh and the ref is a fellow member if not a blood relative.




So after all that filth.

A tribute to the Irish -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:Blogger ianinjesi COMMENT-DATE:25/04/08 06:57 COMMENT-BODY:Fiorentina themselves are hopeful that things will be different at the `Franchi`.
They were happy with the first half in particular on a so-so pitch (cosi cosi) but they found it difficult to find space in the 2nd half.
Now they concentrate on Samp. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:Blogger Stoir Mha Chroi COMMENT-DATE:25/04/08 06:59 COMMENT-BODY:So as not to leave the other good guys out.

Scotland - Freebird -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:Blogger winningemmell COMMENT-DATE:25/04/08 07:29 COMMENT-BODY:April 25


St Mark


A third of the way round to Christmas



WenceslausGemmell -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:Blogger PJBhoynyc COMMENT-DATE:25/04/08 08:04 COMMENT-BODY:This post has been removed by the author. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:Blogger PJBhoynyc COMMENT-DATE:25/04/08 08:10 COMMENT-BODY:This post has been removed by the author. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:Blogger PJBhoynyc COMMENT-DATE:25/04/08 08:15 COMMENT-BODY:Just in from a sold out concert at BB Kings.... Where I was a guest.

Gave me plenty food for thought. I conversed with lots of Hibs supporters who were keen to hear of the demise of Edwards team.

I liked the bands proclamations twenty years ago because of the politics, intelligence and humour in their lyrics.

Tonight I met people who made me realize..

Scotland is not as bad as it can seem to an angry Glaswegian Expat.... Judging it through the media...Or through the CQN prism....
The Dark Side is only a small part.

This enlightened me....

Godd Night/Morning -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:Blogger Madra Rua COMMENT-DATE:25/04/08 08:21 COMMENT-BODY:Could someone please tell me, what was on the Dublin rangers supporters banner ???? -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:Blogger PJBhoynyc COMMENT-DATE:25/04/08 08:35 COMMENT-BODY:Madra Rua....

I think it said something about being behind ENEMY LINES.....

IN A Very Small Font

Peace
Sandman Calls............... -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:Blogger dontbrattbackinanger COMMENT-DATE:25/04/08 08:37 COMMENT-BODY:Was unfortunate to catch a glimpse of the' game' last night, mainly to see if the flesh eating zombies had turned up- the Undead are not exactly Mr and Mrs Reliable.

Anyways, it seemed they did turn up and were wearing Royal Blue.

Why oh why did we not have the League sown up before Xmas?

I've seen some limited, unambitious football in my time but Wattenaccio is taking it to another dimension. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:Blogger thismancraig COMMENT-DATE:25/04/08 09:23 COMMENT-BODY:DBBIA

Surely because we are Celtic, that's what we do. Any chance to hammer home the advantage we blow it and let them back in. Where's our Walter Smith character, a baddie to haunt their dreams like Freddie Kruger!

This is, I make it, the 4th time this century alone we've let them off the hook:

O'Neill season 2 where we gifted them the confidence boost of 2 cups under a new manager;
O'Neill season 3 where we gifted them nothing (the points tally was sensational) but they did walk off with 3 trophies;
O'Neill season 5 where we gift wrapped them a league title; and
Strachan season 2, part 2 where we gave them 2 Old Firm victories before rolling over and dieing for them in Decemeber.

How very Celtic! -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:Blogger o1bhoy COMMENT-DATE:25/04/08 09:27 COMMENT-BODY:Londons Burning 30 Years on...



o1bhoy -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:Blogger winningemmell COMMENT-DATE:25/04/08 10:05 COMMENT-BODY:Pastblast -


Can anyone please tell me who the dour, defensive,dignity-dappled, dangerless, disaster-addled, domestos-doused, dettol-dodging, deity-denying, dogged, diarrhoea-driven, dull, dismal, doomed, devil-dabbling, desperate doyens of dark deeds DARNEL are playing this weekend?



WonderinGemmell -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:Blogger EdwardUrsus COMMENT-DATE:25/04/08 10:24 COMMENT-BODY:WinningGemmell :- I'm not sure I think it's some team called the ticks or something like that ;-) -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:Blogger Kittochbhoy COMMENT-DATE:25/04/08 10:26 COMMENT-BODY:WG

I believe they are playing the crafty,confident,creative,cool,cheeky chappies, the charming Champions Celtic. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:Blogger Gordon_J COMMENT-DATE:25/04/08 10:32 COMMENT-BODY:“Scot’s Mhedia, Lawwell’s monkeys”

Oh, how the lack of intelligence of those behind this one shines through! I bet the Bears (is that sectarian? Everything else we call them seems to be) laughed themselves even sillier.

Of course, the first part is almost correct. "Scot's mhedia" would imply that the media belongs to a single Scot. I wonder who that might be??

And anyone with an education would know that as the second part is an elaboration on the first part, the comma should be replaced by a full colon. To be technical, it is the use of the syntactical-deductive.

I blame non-denominational schools.

grammarpedants cfc -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:Blogger malceye COMMENT-DATE:25/04/08 10:37 COMMENT-BODY:Depending upon witness schedules, Duffield should take the stand this afternoon in the Brian Welsh case. I will report on the man's honesty and, ahem, credibility in due course... -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:Blogger itzallova COMMENT-DATE:25/04/08 10:37 COMMENT-BODY:Last Friday on here after a quick lurk on FF, I asked why do the fod hate us so much. Tony Bananas responded with an excellent response, so good I think it deserves a second posting – apologies in advance to the number crunchers…..

At 18/04/08 18:45, Tony Bananas said…

"the personification of hatred that some of the dark side have for us is a difficult one to answer. I would need to write a dissertation to even attempt a satisfactory answer. I think it can be best summed up by saying that they hate a caricature of what they think a Celtic supporter is i.e.

an IRA supporting, alien, dole scrounger, or some similar notion.

Extremist behaviours e.g. Rangers' discriminatory signing policy, no Catholics need apply employment practices etc. having gone unchecked by the media until relatively recently, and even then in a half hearted manner, have allowed this to fester for decades.

I think it boils down to ignorant people will believe what it is convenient for them to believe and no amount of evidence to the contrary will persuade them otherwise if it contradicts their agenda or their revelry. This is true in all walks of life not just football or religious bigotry

The more extreme Celtic/timmy/fenian haters seem to view as us some sort of sub-human race fuelled by misconception and ignorance of history over the years.

To pick up your previous point about "go home ya Huns" causing offence to them - I am familiar with equalities regulations which say that any racial slur that causes offence is sufficient for disciplinary action even if the slur was unintentional. However there is also the provision to be made concerning whether the statement itself constitutes a slur. I would compare the argument that "go home ya Hun" is as offensive as "go home the famine is over", with the recent case of the baldy teacher who tried to sue the council. This unfortunate man had to leave employment as a teacher due to abuse suffered from pupils and contended that his follicle challenged condition was in effect a disability. This was dismissed by a judge as absurd.

I would also compare the Rankers fans who contend that the media have an agenda against them as spoiled children. One child may be upset because he is forced to eat rice and water for his dinner. Another because he didn't get an extra helping of ice cream after his three course meal in Frankie & Benny's. The emotional reaction of both may be roughly the same but this does not prove that the treatment of both children is ergo the same.

In essence, they are spoiled children who have had everything their own way for over a century. In their view this is proper because it is "their" country and "we" are aliens. I also think there is an element of seeing us by their own standards (after all we are scum compared to them) i.e. because nearly every chant/song/slogan they come up with embodies some sort of religious or racial hatred, then, in turn, our reference to "Hun" MUST be a religious slur (after all we are just as bad as them remember). Similarly "the animals" in a Grand Old team MUST be some sort of religious jibe.

We are no angels and I am sure you are trying to get me to state that our behaviour e.g. "go home ya Huns" contributes to their view. However I am convinced these views would persist whatever our behaviours so we shouldn't be cow-towed. Simply playing in green and white would be enough for some of them.

I play 5-a-sides with reasonably rational and educated guys
who would not be viewed as rampant bigots who simply refuse to wear a football kit containing any trace of the colour green. In another country this might be viewed as at best, eccentric and at worst, insane. In this country it is viewed as normal".

Thanks Tony, great reply. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:Blogger o1bhoy COMMENT-DATE:25/04/08 10:38 COMMENT-BODY:It's been a Holiday (ANZAC DAY) here today... just got my wee Ghirl off to Sleep... Dogs Snoring... Laptop on Lap... just Aboot tae post only 26Hrs to go...

Home and Away comes on...

It's STILL freekin FriDay...

Nurse...

Dogs gettin it...

o1bhoy

countindaminutesCSC...

sik... -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:Blogger winningemmell COMMENT-DATE:25/04/08 10:55 COMMENT-BODY:Ed/Kittoch -


Ah knew it, Ah knew it, Ah knew it


They can run but they can't hide

I taut I taw a putty-cat, I did, I did



JinkyO'MalleyCSC, ML2 -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:Blogger hooptastic COMMENT-DATE:25/04/08 10:56 COMMENT-BODY:Itzallova

That's a brilliant summary of the huns. Puts together most of my feelings about them in an intricate way that I dont think I would be able to.

PS anybody got a spare ticket for sunday, would obviously be willing to pay face value. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:Blogger hooptastic COMMENT-DATE:25/04/08 10:56 COMMENT-BODY:This post has been removed by the author. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:Blogger winningemmell COMMENT-DATE:25/04/08 10:57 COMMENT-BODY:01bhoy -


PROZAC day in the Mls, same old same old


WG -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:Blogger The Spirit of Arthur Lee COMMENT-DATE:25/04/08 10:59 COMMENT-BODY:Wg

did you steal my pills? -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:Blogger og COMMENT-DATE:25/04/08 11:00 COMMENT-BODY:how many times have you heard the media say "that would get the game stopped" but never when that lot play, don't upset the establishment team, lots of singing on sunday

ANTI FOOTBALL
ANTI FOOTBALL

hail hail -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:Blogger Hanif Uno Dahistri COMMENT-DATE:25/04/08 11:13 COMMENT-BODY:Hanif has said it before...

But remember this on Sunday and every time we play them..

BUT WHAT SHOULD WE DO WHEN FACED WITH BIGOTS WHO SING SECTARIAN SONGS ?

DO NOT BECOME LIKE THEM.

Here endeth the lecture. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:Blogger Celtic_First COMMENT-DATE:25/04/08 11:14 COMMENT-BODY:Itzallova

Thanks for re-posting what Tony Bananas said. I missed it first time around and agree with you that the points are excellent. Well done Tony.

There is an extra element at play, which is one of the reasons our relationship with them is still so fraught when other similar rivalries in England morphed into mere football rivalries.

Scotland is the only place in the world where Calvinism captured almost an entire country and Calvinist attitudes to Catholicism are entrenched here; they go much deeper than cultural diversity.

There is no doubt in my mind that this is part of the reason for the visceral animosity directed at us by a large proportion of the Rangers support, even if the people involved take nothing to do with the Church of Scotland as it is today.

And for the record, relations between the Church of Scotland and the Catholic Church have never been better, thank God. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:Blogger Stoir Mha Chroi COMMENT-DATE:25/04/08 11:26 COMMENT-BODY:Celtic_First:

Could not agree more. I’m re-reading Scotland: The Story of a Nation by Magnus Magnusson, for the third time, and have just finished the chapters on Mary Queen of Scots.

(IMHO the best history book ever regards Scotland)

Bigotry in Scotland sure has deep roots. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:Blogger inkybhoy COMMENT-DATE:25/04/08 11:26 COMMENT-BODY:Hail, hail

For anyone that's interested there is a lively comments thread on allmediascotland.com re the Sunday Herald.

Celtic First, you particularly may like it.

STANDING UP...as we will win this league -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:Blogger hooptastic COMMENT-DATE:25/04/08 11:27 COMMENT-BODY:Paul or anybody in the know

Do Celtic have any claim for legal action against the SPL on this disgraceful extension. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:Blogger StevieS COMMENT-DATE:25/04/08 11:29 COMMENT-BODY:Paul,

Regarding Kano's rather excellent idea on prev thread....

AH WIZ JIST GONNAE SAY THAT!!!!

:-)

Watched the game last night, and I have to say I really DID laugh out loud when their keeper was interviewed after the game and (SERIOUSLY!!) said that they were confident about the return leg because.... wait for it.... "they (Fioretina) will have to come out and attack us, so we might get some space behind them"

I KID YOU NOT!!!! Like they had been sitting in defending in numbers last night against that R*ngers onslaught??? -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:Blogger winningemmell COMMENT-DATE:25/04/08 11:32 COMMENT-BODY: We are some of the Craigneuk Bhoys
We are some of The Bhoys
Now we all know our manners
And how to use our spanners
We are some of The Bhoys
And as we go marching through
The streets of The Neuk
Doors and windaes open wide - open wide
We can hear the polis shout
Comin round the roundabout
We are some of THE BHOYS.



WinGateCSC -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:Blogger dontbrattbackinanger COMMENT-DATE:25/04/08 11:50 COMMENT-BODY:WaltzinGershwin- is it too late to go in for Eurovision?

That song might just be the very dab to reverse the recent very poor showing by the British entries- nul pointes etc and the lyric has the kind of semi-martial feel that the big voting blocks in the Balkans go for.

I'll give it 5 -a definite hit! -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:Blogger Celtic_First COMMENT-DATE:25/04/08 11:52 COMMENT-BODY:Inky Bhoy

Thanks for the tip-off. Very interesting. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:Blogger winningemmell COMMENT-DATE:25/04/08 11:53 COMMENT-BODY:dontbratt -


the Craigneuk Bhoys don't do British



StifflowerlipCSC, ML2 -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:Blogger One Star Means More COMMENT-DATE:25/04/08 11:53 COMMENT-BODY:Celtic First

I think you are right. Obviously religion is a dangerous subject - and invariably invites the wisdom of people who contend that all religion is mental illness - but it is obviously very relevant to this.

In particular, I think the Calvinist notion that we are not all equal before God - effectively we are either God's chosen people or not - accommodates the kind of vile contempt that we see demonstrated against Catholics. The Irish Catholics, having also mostly been of poor immigrant stock, are doubly abused.

Now clearly, the hordes are not all or even in the majority Catholics. However, Scotland's history of Calvinism did much to shape the "norms" of our society.

Even those commentators who genuinely do not recognise any prejudice in themselves and therefore think that they are sound judges when it comes to dismissing the seriousness of some of the expressions of intolerance tend to do so from a standpoint shaped by those very same standards from a formative age.

That, I am sure, is why so many good people I know have said most offensive things about my religion and my family's country and concluded that anyone who objects is unreasonable or over-sensitive.

However, I also take issue with people who say: "Well I'm a Catholic and it doesn't bother me" or "I'm half-Irish and I think it's funny" and thereby conclude that others who take a different view need to "get over themselves".

Some men get into fistfights every few weeks and barely bat an eye after them - others find the idea distressing and demeaning.

The fact that one person isn't offended by something doesn't change the right of another to object to it. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:Blogger Celtic_First COMMENT-DATE:25/04/08 12:09 COMMENT-BODY:One Star Means More

You're spot on. The Calvinists wanted to be "the city on a hill", set apart from sinners.

In the case of Geneva, it worked because the authorities could control who came in through the city gates and who had to be sent in the other direction for their unbecoming misdemeanours.

But even in the Netherlands the Calvinists stopped well short of controlling the whole country. Many shunned the very idea of controlling a whole country and took themselves off to South Africa and invented Apartheid. I'm not saying Calvinism is inherently racist, that would be daft, but there is a link for all to see between Calvinist thought and Apartheid.

The Huguenots also kept themselves to themselves, in enclaves in bigger cities and in smaller towns they could control on a similar basis to Geneva such as Montauban.

The only place, I repeat, where practically the whole nation moved to a Calvinist position and where Calvinists took over the running of the entire country was Scotland.

Good things came from this. Scotland had a literacy rate in the seventeenth century that some developed economies cannot match even today. Good things came later from the Enlightenment and from progressive economic theory.

But it wasn't all good and some of the shadows are still there for Scotland, whereas most of the rest of the world has moved on. I suppose that could be a coincidence. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:Blogger Marvin COMMENT-DATE:25/04/08 12:11 COMMENT-BODY:One thing that I can't get my head around is the hordes last night belting out "Rule Brittania". It was their loudest chant all night.

Honestly, what is that about? How could 50,000 Scottish people do that?

You wouldn't get that sung at an EPL game FFS!

the mind boggles! -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:Blogger o1bhoy COMMENT-DATE:25/04/08 12:18 COMMENT-BODY:Winningemmell...

I need Help (obviously) Na seiriously... All this clique...klick...klack...Gang...club...inner circle... outer circle... stuff...

The last 24hrs in ma head... a Pub... don't know where... don't know when...

Kleekam inn... Kleecan vaults...? any ideas...?

o1bhoy

whosdoneprojacCSC -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:Blogger One Star Means More COMMENT-DATE:25/04/08 12:21 COMMENT-BODY:MArvin:

That's because so much of their identity is directed at hatred of all they think Celtic, Catholics, and the Irish stand for.

They think of us as Catholics - F the pope! They think of us as immigrants - send them back. They think of us as Irish - Rule Brittania. They see some of us identifying with Palestinians - bring out the Israel flags. They perceive some sort of socialist identity at Celtic - make Nazi salutes.

I can't wait until they see Celtic as a club strongly against transvestitism. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:Blogger winningemmell COMMENT-DATE:25/04/08 12:22 COMMENT-BODY:01bhoy -


Cleek Him Inn, Motherwell; currently for sale


never been in it


it could be the new Babbity's if we got a couple of Bob together


bags not Malcom or Douglas



Free The Popele

WG -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:Blogger One Star Means More COMMENT-DATE:25/04/08 12:22 COMMENT-BODY:o1bhoy - is there not a Clachan somehwere?

Or is ti the Clutha Vaults at the Clyde Bridge? -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:Blogger Paul67 COMMENT-DATE:25/04/08 12:23 COMMENT-BODY:new article posted. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:Blogger Tony Bananas COMMENT-DATE:25/04/08 12:38 COMMENT-BODY:This post has been removed by the author. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:Blogger Tony Bananas COMMENT-DATE:25/04/08 12:44 COMMENT-BODY:Following on from Sean South yesterday @ 21.09 - I have found references to the huns chasing an "unprecedented" quadruple through the usual suspects [Daily Rangers, Evening Times, Setanta, the Herald] but also at The Independent and UEFA website. This seems consistent with the interesting insight provided by the chap who explained the role of one Ronnie Esplin the other day. Kojo also commented on the practice of many outlets publishing the same guff from one orginal source.

Added to the BBCs "SPL league leaders" being in action last night and their "best defensive record in the SPL" gaff, either there is a lot of wishful thinking among journalists these days or even they are not immune to the cosntant drip drip Rangers are awesome propaganda. Or both.

This "unprecedented quadruple" seems reminiscent of another piece of historical revision by the Scottish Meedya. Any time they mention 9-in-a-row these days you know it always means the hun 90s inferior imitation, not the original and best. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:Blogger The Spirit of Arthur Lee COMMENT-DATE:25/04/08 15:25 COMMENT-BODY:This post has been removed by the author. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:Blogger tomc COMMENT-DATE:25/04/08 15:47 COMMENT-BODY:been talking to a couple of local rankers fans today ...they are delighted with the result last nite.


a think am gon af ma f....n heed...

HAIL HAIL -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:Blogger The Narrowbhoat Tim COMMENT-DATE:25/04/08 18:20 COMMENT-BODY:DBBIA

You right about the Devil having the best Choons

One of my late Dad's favourite but maybe not this version. --------