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To Dumfries & Galloway and beyond!
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The Gretna-Queens Scale of European Incompetence
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The SFTB-WGS Scales of 3 in a row
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Whats even more concerning is the fact that QoS scored four against a team we failed to score against only recently.
They must have better luck than us.
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The CQN- Intolerance Scales of Knowing when to stop
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The True Tim Scales of Success Interception
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Walter Smith must be thinking to himself "Carlsberg don't do football seasons, but if they did...."
Everything is lining up for them.
We hand them a free passage in the CIS.
We hand them a free passage in Scottish.
We hand them a free passage in the SPL.
To make each of those passages even easier, Dundee Utd give them a free passback 3 minutes from time in the CIS final.
An Aberdeen side that we couldn't beat at 2 attempts and couldn;t score against at Celtic Park capitulate to Queen of The South and concede 4 in the semi-final.
And Dundee Utd give them ANOTHER free passback in the SPL 10 minutes from time to converts 0 points into 1.
Utterly frustrating.
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From the last thread (with apologies to that moany guy whose name escapes me).
While today's result probably "guarantees" Rangers will win the cup it also mean that the Aberdeen players won't have to worry about injuries etc when they play them in the league at Pittodrie.
Blues Brothers in charge or not, I don't see Aberdeen lying down to Rangers when they play them - they would love it, just love it, if they could ruin their title hopes.
Uly - with all this man-bra talk I'm glad to see that my advice on a career change to Cher Impersonator didn't go unheeded. After you left last week we were all agreed that you had the best pair of man-breasts west of the Pecos.
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Bloke109 from the last thread - totally agree with the scenario you described (our game with Motherwell tomorrow postponed to allow the SPL to extend the season for us too).
The one thing that might prevent this though, is that this would then allow Celtic an 11 day rest before an Old Firm game with Derr Hun playing on the Sunday.
However from a hun point of view, with the current advantage they enjoy at the moment, allowing us to rest up before an Old Firm game that they can afford to lose would probably be viewed as the lesser of two evils over not being able to extend the season.
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Halifax fixtures in the Blue Square Premier:
March Sat 22, Mon 24, Thurs 27, Sat 29 (4 in 8)
April: Sat 5, Tues 8, Thurs 10, Sat 12, Tues 15 (5 in 11)
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paul67
i thought that the sfa changed their ruling with regard losing semi-finalists taking one of scotland's uefa cup spots? i thought after gretna and dunfermline getting gubbed by derry and some swedish junior outfit (respectively) they stated that no longer will losing finalists represent scotland? i could be wrong, and it could even come into effect next season?
i just cannae remember.
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DBBIA,
...I'll be in the less-well-to-do corner as usual.
stasi blues ;-)
Chris
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We are Celtic support-bras
faithful through and through
I will get my coat CSC
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i eant losing finalists, not losing semi-finalists. it was a late, heavy night last night...
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The Sulky Bulgar has just lobbed ex-Rangers keeper Roy Carroll from "about 45 yards" (according to the BBC).
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Dick
It was likened to Pele on 5live.
We've missed those goals of his though
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I have (gladly) been out of the country on business most of the week. It must have been excrutiating here, just catching up on CQN this afternoon.
I've been reading a lot of exchanges on here about Gordon Strachan, as I expected. I have changed my view on him, slowly but surely, as I've said before. One thing I can't quite work out though....?
Is there any of the CQN regulars who still believe he is the right manager for Celtic believe what we are seeing in terms of performances or results is acceptable?
Do any of you believe he has been limited in the money available to him?
Do any of you believe he has inferior players at his disposal?
Inferior to Rangers? Inferior to Motherwell or Aberdeen? Or Hearts or Hibs?
Having answered all of those questions truthfully, ask why you believe he is the man to be given the summer transfer budget and asked to create a team to win something next year?
Genuinely interested to see if I can work out where we diverge in our views of this manager, the Celtic manager - THE MOST IMPORTANT PERSON AT THE FOOTBALL CLUB.
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SFTB- I know -just suppose QOS lost 5-0 to some obscure Slovakian outfit...
WorshipfulGrandmaster -when do the pubs open - I could get you in either the Teser or the KL,whichever's easier. Us DGers hate to put anyone to any bother.
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tinytim said...
I'm gutted that you didn't use my suggestion for the new thread.
Paul67
Time for new thread.
May i suggest.
QUEEN OF THE SOUTH-THELUCKIEST TEAM IN SCOTLAND.
The doonhammers enjoyed all of the luck that our very unlucky Celtic have been robbed off in recent times.
They were very lucky in that the first division side ,managed to get spawney on four separate occassions.
If only Celtic could benefit from such luck just once?
We are so,so, unlucky.
Garry Pendrey, was quoted as saying
"If it wasn't for bad luck we wouldn't have any."
"It is all just so unfair,we desereved to win against Aberdeen."
Steven McManus was quoted as saying "that result is unreal ye kin.It should uve been us playin the Queens eleven.
Wi the luck wev'e been hiven,we would hiv got atleast a replay ,and hud a 50/ 50 chance oh gaun oan tae the final.Am gutted ,we hiv jist nae luck."
It sure is unlucky times for the Bhoy's.
Don't worry Celtic will boost season tickets sales,with a buy one get one free promo.
12/04/08 15:46
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Vintim:
Vintim,
When I posted those words I was at the top of the bottle; now I’ve passed the bottom and I’m up the top of my second. It is Saturday night here after all.
For the past hour and a half I have been on the phone back to my family in Scotland, hence my delay in replying.
Now that I do attempt to answer your question, I find it not easy.
If you don’t mind Vintim, I’ll start at what I believe was the beginning:
(I am not being facetious but I read your post as sincere and although after too much wine I maybe shouldn’t but I will try to reply)
M.O’N. left. A manager who gave us back our face, our identity, our dignity.
Gordon Stachan was appointed his successor; fully endorsed by M. O’N.
M. O’N’s parting words were: get ready for life in the slow lane.
What the hell did Martin mean by that statement? What was he trying to tell us?
Fast forward. Really fast forward to my post of this day. Think yourself back two years.
M.O’N. had gone. Celtic is in a transitional period. If we don’t win the league, so be it. The manager is only just finding his feet.
But nope, in refute of Martin’s warnings Gordon stupidly wins not just one league, he wins two. The historic Three in a row is on.
Never mind statistics, never mind any thing else at all; think yourself forward to reading a history book of Celtic, and that book will tell you that in a transitional period, under Gordon Strachan, Celtic won two league titles.
Now I’ll try and address your question proper.
I do not blame the fans nor the manager for players underperforming – I simply (very simply) blame teams for daring to score first against Celtic and then falling back and defending their six yard line.
It is then up to the highly paid invention of those on the park (wearing Celtic Strips) to redress the problem of being behind. The manager’s input in itself is ‘limited’.
Just about every Celtic player who pulls on the Celtic Jersey week in, week out is a recognised Internationalist, I’d expect them to know what is required.
I do not think the fans themselves are blameless, neither are the Players or Gordon Strachan or the board, or the press.
And with that Vintim I’m going to ask that you let me think about my answer for in three years of posting on here – you have just asked ‘me’ the hardest of questions to answer. I am on the verge of waffling and your question does not deserve that as an answer.
It is after one am here and I’ve had a few beers, but I will answer your question; as honestly as I can - just not tonight.
If you don’t mind Vintim – I will get back to you.
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i read a comment on previous thread about a pending story that will sink strachan in the coming days...
i know the press will stick the boot into us at any opportunity, but if they have an agenda against celtic and they want to fulfil this agenda they would do well to leave strachan alone.
when waddell and his fellow cronies rounded on martin o'neill, the support to a man, woman and child rallied round and stood up for him. if the press were to round on strachan, as he is our manager, i would expect the same fans to rally round again. if the press attack strachan, which they havent really done, then they run the risk of the celtic fans not singing "strachan get tae" but "there's only one gordon strachan"... that would not suit their agenda.
oh, and we're gonna win the league.
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Tinytim
When did you start doing hunour and irony?
Seriously - you made me laugh.
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Sorry - humour.
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TinyTim
Your facetiousness is simply that... facetious.
Sad from an upright person. Really sad.
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dub-tim,
I too thought that the rules had been changed so that only the winners of the Scottish Cup could go into Europe. If the winner has already qualifaied, doesn't the second UEFA place now go to the fourth placed league team?
Or was that change only talked about but not implemented?
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*couple of points from previous blogs:
Is the McQuilken in the doonhammer side former Celt Jamie. I was hame on holiday and on my way tae a gemme when I heard he had been sold to the Arabs, couldnae figure that out as he seemed a good left back prospect, then again so did Charlie Mulgrew.
“These are my Mountains” was sung by Peter Mallan nephew of uncompromising centre half and left back Jimmy who’s claim tae fame was marshalling the defense in the St Mungo Cup Final when goalie George Hunter was off injured helping the good lhads tae a 3-2 victory over the sheep.
Gordon mentioned Jock’s poor start in the 65/66 season, which indeed it was. However, we were always going tae give Jock a chance as not only had he given us our first major trophy since the 7-1 gemme following that with the Glasgow Cup over the evil ones, he was also seen as the Messiah. I have no doubt MON would have been accorded the same luxury. Anyway 4 days after losing to dundee at Parkheid we went back tae tannadice and gubbed the arabs 4-0 with a scintillating display by former St. Pat’s pupil John Divers. After that we never looked back apart fae a 1-2 reverse at hades where even Jock admitted he’d erred by leaving out Joe McBride. Even though we had made that poor start in the League Cup we won it at Hampden, again the first cup final victory over them since “Hampden in the Sun”.
As for today’s result I can understand the concern over handing them a trophy but could anyone on here honestly see the sheep beating them in the final when they would probably have a European spot in the bag. For me it’s retribution for the management team over May 2003’s capitulation and also to sash for the 94 League Cup Final when his team of minnows did the damage to us.
“What goes around, comes around”
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Just got back from the QOS-Aberdeen game.
It may have been because Aberdeen had to chase the game but the number of times Queens got in behind Aberdeen down the flanks to put in crosses was unbelievable.
The slow slow pitty patty passing through the middle games Celtic played against Aberdeen were painful to watch in comparison.
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Kitalba.
You hit the nail on the head.
The first i was ever called facetious was by my 1st year history teacher Mr Poznanski.
I just don't know how some are accepting the mince(copyrightTT2008) that we have to watch.
Some just don't seem to hurt the way i do.
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Cup rule change comes in 2009 but Queen of the South are not guanranteed Europe. They will fight Partick Thistle for that right in the final.
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Dubtim :- I think that rule is being changed for next season. Whether they get put out in the first round or not QOS have earned the right to play in Europe on merit. (asuming Rangers win the league and get to the final)
Folk talk about the romance of the cup both QOS and Gretna (despite later happenings) have shown this to be a reality in recent times.
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here's something to batter the huns over the head with...
picked up the sister-in-law (to be) from dublin airport this morning. at christmas she booked flights to go to lisbon this week. talk about bad luck.
when queueing in the airport having just landed, there was a hold up due to a number of flights landing at the one time; the other flights were from scotland.
when she asked what the hold up was, a man wearing a rangers top said to his mate "the fenian wants to know why they wont accept their made up passports". it's amazing that a dublin accent warrants the tag "fenian". she did not appreciate it, but through fear did not say anything as there seemed to be hundreds wearing blue strips and there was just her and her pal.
on the night of the game, she did not leave the hotel room because the bars were full, the streets were full and she did not want to be in the company of drunk people who were singing profanities about catholics for virtually the entire evening.
she hasnt a clue about football or celtic or rangers, but she felt the atmosphere was poisonous and intimidating.
the following morning, friday, she went to go sight seeing, but had to change her plans as "the town was absolutely destroyed" and looked like a hurricane had gone through it.
the local authorities were quick to reprimand rangers fans and their behaviour.
see, we're not like them. i just wish we didnt turn on our manager, in a way they did with le guen.
we will win the league, but we need to support every single person, including gordon strachan.
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DickByrne :- I agree with you 100% I can't think on any team other than Celtic who would be less likely to lie down to Rangers than Aberdeen.
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Dbbia :- I know your area has taken a bit of a slagging today but it seems that down in the borders football is doing OK.
I wonder what the odds are in if Berwick would be worth an E.W punt in the cup next season :-)
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locharbriggs_bhoy
We were never going to get down the flanks and in behind as much because Aberdeen parked themselves in their own half with 10 men behind the ball. Against QOTS the onus was on them to attack and get the goals which made them more exposed in behind. There is a difference in mentality as well, playing Celtic and Rangers is the biggest games of the season for Aberdeen so their concentration levels are sharper than they are when they play lower league opposition.
It's like Dundee United scoring a number of goals against Rangers while Celtic, Sporting, Werder Bremen, Barcalona, Stuttgart, panathonikos etc have struggled as Rangers have approached these games with a different mentality than they did against Dundee United.
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dub-tim,
Your sister in law (to be) must be mistaken. The Scottish press all said how well behaved the Rangers fans were and how they were praised by the Lisbon authorities, and they wouldn't lie, would they?
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tourangabhoy 11.35
thank you my friend for your reply and comment. which i will bat straight back to you . the three names i mentioned were for example purposes only as the type of manager a club of celtic,s stature should be pursuing. and not in my opinion, considering just whoever happens to be available, as i feel was the case regards wgs. again and only my opinion a club the size of celtic should aim for the very best with a cv to match , we are paying the penalty now for not following that requisite. i would also bet that if we were to wake up tomorrow morning with the news that either of the trio i mentioned was to take over our club, there wouldnt be many disconcerted voices in our ranks . but nice to hear from you once again .hail hail my friend .
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EU-We've got broad shoulders and thick skins. We also know that if it hadn't been for the efforts of Dumfriesshire folks over the years the rest of you would all be talking like Melvin Bragg.
QOS were my late grandfather's team[ on my mum's side]. Family legend is that the one and only time he got drunk was after they beat Rangers in the SC, so I was thinking of him today.
Steven Tosh is a very good player- Gretna never really recovered from his departure and he's made a big difference to QoS. He's a good organiser, which is important in the lower divisions.
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Paul67.
I feel for you at this moment,There's a hint of triumph on the blog these days,by posters who mostly come on, when Celtic suffer a defeat.
It's hard to understand where some posters are coming from,I know the results have been grim at times,and I have hurt as much as the next poster,but I have a bit more decorum than others have shown on this site in the last few days.
It's rather naive to blame you Paul for the ill's of Celtic.
I come on this site to converse with others of like mind,Celtic supporters who have our club at heart,but to come on here and read things from posters,who are glorifying in the demise of our Manager is sickening,not the way Celtic supporters should be going about their business,Gordon will leave Celtic,and probably at the end of the season,but for posters to come out with such vitriol regarding a Celtic Manager,it's just not on,leave that to the Follow Follow brigade.
I remember when Noel gave little snippets of what was posted on the Follow Follow site when they were in turmoil,well the same will be happening now, but in reverse.CQN in meltdown,will be the posts on their site.
The League is not over yet,Rangers will win it if they keep on winning,you don't have to be a scientist to come up with that conclusion,but they have a hectic few weeks to come,and there could be many swings and roundabouts yet.
I'm not very hopeful the way our team are playing,but hope springs eternal,we may just start to play some decent football,and the other lot,may lose some games,No the Leagues not finished yet,Yes, and do I hear (pigs might fly).
Whats all this rubbish about Cliques,re Babbity Bowsters,the reason I go to BBs,is to meet people who support Celtic,put names to faces,and there are a few who go,who would rather see the back of Gordon,tinytim for one would like the manager to move on,he hasn't kept it a secret, and I haven't a problem with that,but after meeting tinytim,I know His heart is with Celtic,and I understand where he's coming from,also a nicer man you'd struggle to meet.
I think this in-fighting has to stop,or the blog will suffer from all the bickering,let's get back to what the blogs good at,talking football,and Supporting Celtic,The Celtic way.
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Dick Byrne
missed your earlier post - was out getting fitted for a 42DD. My agent says I'd probably cut it as a 70 year old Tina Turner - for which he says there is a niche market out Govan way.
In that way my man bra can hold the Pecos Mountains!
And the Govanites are less concerned about stubbly man legs... Or so I've heard...
What was that song about Gough?
Simply the... Believe I better go and start the dinner.
Men of CQN unleash your man bras - you have nothing to lose but your blouses...Blouson?
U.
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Where do Queen of the South live...?
o1bhoy
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Derby 0 Villa 6
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With apologies to all who have read it already I want to repeat something.
Could I appeal for one thing? That is a modicum of respect for the current Celtic manager.
Gordon Strachan is the manager of Celtic Football Club now and for the foreseeable future. Gordon Strachan may have many faults but a lack of effort is not one of them.
A person who puts in a lot of effort on our behalf and fails is worthy of at least the respect that he put in that effort. If his effort fails to produce the right level of results over a period then he will be replaced but surely with the respect that any manager who has delivered 2 championships two cups and two unprecedented last 16 Champions League qualifications, deserves.
I believe that the man deserves respect for his effort and that those who abuse him show themselves up as being much less worthy of respect than the man they are abusing. They act like playground bullies and deserve to be shunned as such.
It amazes me to think that Wim Jansen who walked out on the club after one season appears to be accorded much more respect than our current manager. I also wonder why his name never crops up when we are talking of replacements?
Currently we have a championship to play for which though unlikely is not impossible to win but perhaps more importantly we have two matches against Rangers where it is essential that we put down a marker for next season. Both issues demand that the Celtic team has a concerted, united, unreserved, unequivocal support behind it, a support worthy of those green and white jerseys, a support aware of the history and tradition of a group who do not lie down willingly and have their tummy tickled.
I ask the Celtic support to demonstrate unity in the face of adversity and suggest that the best possible way of beginning that process is by showing some respect for the Celtic manager, whoever he may be.
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Ed- given the grief on here I had to check they weren't called Queen of the SeanSouth..
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o1 bhoy- in God's own country. They're also the only team mentioned in the Bible.
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I disagree with all these seedings, working out percentage stuff, with that Bert bloke in Zurich, or was it Geneva. It was great to see Serena Williams win the latest big tennis tournament, was she the top seed by the way?
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Dbbia :- Your post made me laugh at the thought of say a game between Cumnock and Kilwinning with the crowd having a go at each other using language a la Mr Bragg.
It brings to mind one of P8ddy's posts when he used the classic line
Fernando you scamp.
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Ed
I have it on good authority that the following will be the Aberdeen side to face Rangers:
1. Jimmy Calderwood
2. Jimmy Nicholl
3. Barry Nicolson (ex Rangers, I believe)
4. Derek Soutar
5. Soapy Soutar
6. Stuart Duff
7. Zander Duffer
8. Lee Duffest
9. N Joy (the occasion)
10. Dave Bus (driver, to the airport)
11. Thomas Cook (holidays, let's go)
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Bloke109 :- Hopefully it won't matter as ther will be nothing at stake by then :-)
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If there is, it could be the following side:
Yashin
Beckenbauer
Maldini
Baresi
Moore
Jarzinho
Best
Pele
Maradona
Greaves
Lee Miller (local interest)
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And they would still have a younger side than us :-)
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Some of them are dead, the rest would be if you played 4-5-1 again.
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U2_88
Now that I've got that off my chest I'd like to answer your question.
Firstly to the question of Gs spending money I'd say
Artur Boruc is widely regarded as being possibly the best keeper the great majority of us have seen playing for Celtic
Andreas Hinkel will imo go on to be one of the better full backs we have had in a number of years.
WE seriously tried to sign Van Buyten and Metzelder but failed. Would either have changed your mind about GS and his signings?
Scott Brown was the talent in Scottish football 12 months ago. He won't be the first to be overawed when moving to Celtic. Perhaps like Stan Petrov and Henrik Larsson we may enjoy him
yet.
Have you seen anything of Koki Mizuno so far? I expect us to be very pleased with him in due course.
Scott Mc Donald? 26 goals is not too bad by anyone's standards surely?
Not many I grant you but when you're having to trawl the bottom in many cases its probably as good as the next guy. If he had had MON's budget then we might have been able to accurately compare. I hasten to add I want no debates of WGS and MON. It just came to mind.
Do any of you believe he has been limited in the money available to him? YES
Do any of you believe he has inferior players at his disposal? YES
Inferior to Rangers? Inferior to Motherwell or Aberdeen? Or Hearts or Hibs? NO This may explain why he's won the past two SPL titles.
So you can see that I believe there is a case that he is the man to be given the summer transfer budget and asked to create a team to win something next year?
Now do I think he should? I'll answer that at the end of the season but I may shock you by saying that I am much less convinced now than I was even till 2 months ago. What's changed my mind? One thing. The frustrating inability of the team to change when the predictable clearly is not delivering. I've bemoaned it as tippy tappy football which descends into bluster if the end isn't achieved. I keep wondering why no-one hardly ever shoots from outside the area? Why when we have a Hinkel and a Nakamura and an Aiden Mc Geady we fail to get to the line and drive balls fast and low into the area? So for the moment I'm not convinced he shoud stay but I also believe what I've posted before also that the biggest single reason pro him going would be that
"A house divided against itself cannot stand"
When the team needed a concerted, united, unreserved, unequivocal support behind it, it was not there. For that reason if no other Gordon Strachan may have to go. Doesn’t matter if its fair or unjust. Its simply the way things are. However I will believe that without doubt the WGS detractors who will have given limited support will have been equally responsible if we end up with nothing.
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Why would we play for 5 - 1, 2 - 1 would be enough.
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Aberdeen 2 (Miller, 88, 89)
Rangers 1 (Calderwood, og, 90)
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My dear,dear friend, Taurangabhoy @11.35.
Where oh where were have you been hiding?
Where were you when I needed another clear thinking thinker?
I immediately identified your good self as a C.T.T..... after reading your well constructed,imaginative,entertaining, and all round very clever synopsis of the intelligent path that Mr.Strachan has chosen to tred, since the nascency of his Celtic Tenure.
Bravo....old chap...
You are a man to reckon with.( Prepo! Alert!...ed)( Why don't you shut up!)
I am looking forward to more of your cogitative and sapient submissions,in the near future.
Kojo.
yer pal....who thinks he has found another soul-mate.
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If he is still visiting this site, perhaps the Sporting supporter who was on here during the past two weeks could post the opinions of the Lisbon press on the visit of the Govan missionaries.
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Derbiyshire
I agree with your sentiments regarding solidarity.
At a time when we are being attacked from all sides.Its important the members of the Celtic family stand together until the end of the season.
I can imagine jubilant huns having a read through some of the recent posts and utterly relishing the disrespectful and undignified attacks on our manager by our own fans. Whatever your views on him I cannot for the life of me understand why he is being ridiculed on these very pages, albeit by the minority.
We all have our own views ,and the debate will continue. But lets keep it dignified.
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My dear friend,U2
I admit as to being one, who fully supports the Celtic Manager at the present time.
I believe that the source of our dis-satisfaction in the all round Performance of our Team's Performers...during the last ...oh... Four Months... is ENTIRELY DUE to a complete and utter collapse in Stamina accompanied by loss of Confidence by the Celtic PLAYERS ...ENMASSE.
For whatever reason, our team has drifted into a Twilight Sleep.
As I have mentioned in past contributions, this mysterious malady which expresses itself in a PROLONGED deleterious loss of form, is not a new phenomenon... it also visited us , at the winding down of last year's season.
It is possibly a result of our enormous over-exertions during our Brave and extended sojourn in the C.L....
However, in offering that, as a reason for our drop-off in form...I am indulging in conjecture.
That being said...
There is ONE thing that I am certain of...and that is,of course...
NONE, of our present difficulties are THE FAULT OF MR.STRACHAN!
It is the Players,themselves, who are to BLAME!
Mr.Strachan is one man, whom I want to see remaining in his present incumbency, next season..
Kojo.
yer pal... who likes ye.
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OldTim67@16.43
I’ve never met you but by all accounts you come across as a smashing block, rarely if ever a bad word for anyone on here.
However……..let me assure you that you are on the wrong track with the idea you have that some posters are delighted at how miserable
our season is turning out - because that was their prediction. That’s just not true mate, first and foremost they are all Celtic fans, they would love to have been wrong, all of them.
Please take this at face value, I have no axe to grind with anyone, life is too short.
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itzallova
Now you've just descended to a lower level. Calling Old Tim67 a block:>)
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Reading last nights posts was depressing in the extreme.
The needless insults and derogatory comments directed at Gordon Strachan, Celtic FC Manager, were uncalled for.
As many have said today, put over your point by all means but why use insults to do so? That's FF's job.
Among many fine contributions today, well said Kitalba!
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Also great to see the humour back.
Are you saying we're flat or what??
(R & M)
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Cup Final preview:
Wednesday, 16 April 2008
Queen of South v Partick, 19:45
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At 12/04/08 16:31, dub-tim said…
"see, we're not like them. i just wish we didnt turn on our manager, in a way they did with le guen."
Actually, there are many amongst the Celtic support who are exactly like them. It is a myth that the vast majority of Celtic and Rangers supporters are different. Sure their may be a difference in the degree to which the sets of supporters are bigotted but the Celtic Club and its directors are arguably the ones most responsible for encouraging our support to move on and leave this aspect of our past where it belongs. If it had been left to the supporters alone, does anyone really believe that we would have made such huge strides in this respect?
The sheer strength of the Old Firm tag alone tells us something that few of us particularly wish to acknowledge. We may complain long and bitterly about being lumped in with our rivals but for somewhere in the region of a hundred years we have been the yin to their yang. Their hate of us has been mirrored by our hate of them - and you know what, it remains the same to this day.
If we were so different we would be infinitely more magnaminous when winning, considerably more gracious in defeat, and we would be much more capable of acknowleging their achievements. But we are not! If we cared to look in the mirror we would see quite clearly that for the most part we are just like them.
As eloquently stated by oldtim67 and derbyshirebhoy, reading this site and the abuse being dished out to WGS has been truly depressing. This was once home to some of the most balanced and informative discussion of all things Celtic but unfortunately the quality of the debate has fallen so far that it is becoming painful to read. You've only got to look at the abuse being directed at Paul to know that there is something truly amiss.
The reality is that many of the self proclaimed saviours of our club have no more idea than Celtic's management regarding how to effectively combat this season's resurgent Rangers side. They are not alone. The management teams (yes, qualified professionals with considerable experience) of all but two of the sides whom Rangers have met in Europe this year have been equally out-foxed. Even Lyon were a shade lucky to escape Ibrox with a win despite the resounding score-line. Celtic supporters easily overlook how close Darcheville came to equalising before Lyon sprinted up field to snatch a second goal.
It is the complete lack of humility in some of my fellow Celtic supporters that both astounds and saddens me. I am a supporter of WGS and I believe that history will much kinder to him. He will have my support until either he himself or the board of the club decide that it is time for him to step down. A knee-jerk reaction will, in my opinion, create instability and that is the last thing we need right now, particularly when we have accrued so many longer-term advantages over them.
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I came across this on youtube It's from 1996
From the original Celtic TV I think.
It's in two 10 minute parts.
Paul McStay - Celtic Captain (Part One)
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Smellthegloves. @ 17.45
"At a time when we are being attacked from all sides"
Could you explain this one to me?
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smelltheglove...
The ''Supporters''/''Fans''/''Tacticions''/''Pundits''/''Celtic Minded''...
Who come on and Here and Constantly Attack/Disrespect/Boo/Belittle/Fail to SUPPORT...Our current Leader/Manager...
Have did so even before he got here...That should answer your question...
o1bhoy
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Paul McStay - Celtic Captain (Part Two)
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In - in - budapest.
A post of rare quality and clarity. Bravo!
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Champions keep playing until they get it right...
Billie Jean King...
o1bhoy
whowontjumpthedykeCSC
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My dear,dear,dear,dear Friend.. Ian in Buda or is it possibly, Pest?
Bravissimo!
Pinkety! Pinkety!.... Palomine.
A wrenching and heartfelt paen of Uncommon sense... ye jist have.. sang....( Or should that no be..."Sung"?.....ed)( Let' no go through Thaat..again!)
I Second, Thoid, Fourth...aye.. and I shall even go so far as Partaking and Toasting, in a Fifth... in everything that you have highlighted... and contained in your forthright and sparkling defense of our... Benighted, Beleaguered and obviously Bewildered, Manager..who is obviously extemely puzzled, at the present ineptness that has settled, like an ole fashioned London Peasouper, over his team.
They have surely lost their way...
Thanks again Ian... and, maybe I am mistaken.. but, I believe ye are in Buda... after all... is that no right.?
S'Awright?
S'Atsaright!
Kojo.
yer pal... who hasn't communicated wi' ye fur ages...
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At 12/04/08 18:09, ian_in_budapest said…
Actually, there are many amongst the Celtic support who are exactly like them......
Their hate of us has been mirrored by our hate of them - and you know what, it remains the same to this day.....
If we were so different we would be infinitely more magnaminous when winning, considerably more gracious in defeat, and we would be much more capable of acknowleging their achievements. But we are not!
*Well put Ian even though I've abbreviated most of it, I'll admit to being one who never has and never will aknowledge their achievments unlike some on this lhist who do.
I suppose in some eyes that makes me a bigot and as big Clark/Rhett said "frankly I don't give a damn".
If I could go back in time and change things it would be that the brithers mcneill went doon the watter and no up it, leaky boat in fact comes tae mind.
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Ian in Budapest.
Another fine example of reading something you just know would have written, if you only could.
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01bhoy
No idea what that means.Gordon Strachan was attacked before he was celtic manager?
Lurgan
have you picked up a newspaper? switched on a TV? gone to your work? gone to the pub?
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Champions aren't made in the gyms...
Champions are made from something they have deep inside them a desire, a dream, a vision...
Muhammad Ali
o1bhoy
HoopsarechampionsCSC
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ian_in_budapest
Fantastic post - take a bow!!!!!!!!
Congratulations to Queen of the South
ONWARDS WITH GORDON STRACHAN
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smelltheglove...
The ''Fans'' who are now Attacking him for breathing and the rest...
Were Against him from Day 1... our current blip in form has Nothing to do with it ...
If we go on and WIN the League they will say it was because the Huns were asked to play to many games...Were saving themselves for next year...Didn't have a clean strip to play in...Get my drift...
o1bhoy
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ian_in_budapest
Never a truer word. That mine and Old Tim's posts were eloquent, I mean:>)
Seriously, an excellent post. The unfortunate thing is that those who'll reflect on it don't really have to.
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Derbyshirebhoy,
Good structured response, thank you.
You may be surprised to learn that I agree with most of your assessments, as they were much as mine were a few months ago.
What changed me - eventually - was the realisation that Gordon has lost the ability to create a winning team from the component parts, has lost the ability to recognise good performances from bad ones and - most importantly - appears to have lost the ability to get his team to get results.
His good to decent signings are far outweighed by his average to poor signings in my view. Even the good signings appear incapapable of consistency - Boruc apart.
The objective of the game is to score goals and win. Gordon seems to have somehow replaced this with an objective of keeping the ball, no matter how far from goal you have to be to keep it.
His first season was excellent considering the rebuild that was required, but I think the second season was - with hindsight - overrated and we have seen a lamentable decline with team 3.
United at the games, but we are allowed to debate the best route for Celtic on the websites.
Kojo,
A reprint of your previous stuff. Players to blame but not the manager who signs them, coaches them, motivates them and selects or drops them.
Oh yes, I forgot, dropping certain players is not part of this manager's toolbox. And there, in my view, is why we are where we are today.
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My thanks to Oldtim and Ian-in-Budapest for restoring some sense to what has been, until recently Paul's wonderful blog.
I used to look forward to reading this site. As has been said often enough, it became addictive. Why? Because it offered real Celtic supporters a chance to learn more about our Club and to offer their own opinions. Mostly, it was conducted with little or no venom, if no little passion. But the abuse that our manager has been having here and, in my opinion, even more ridiculously, the insults that Paul has had to endure, has put me off reading on here this past week.
We have shown ourselves to be no better than them. Mind you, as someone who cannot abide them, I guess I'm every bit as bad. Surely, we can accord our manager and certainly Paul some respect.
Now let's get behind our team. There's still a league to be won..
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