 Tuesday, April 08, 2008
Shameless diving goes without SFA sanction
It seems that the entire Scottish football community and their favourite team are utterly shameless.
I was speaking with some Celtic fans this afternoon and discussed whether or not the Scottish football and the coverage thereof, is more prejudicial than it was in the past. These arguments are notoriously subjective, but if you are my age or older, you will remember the celebrated demon in blue, Polaris, also known as John McDonald.
McDonald was a serial diver (Polaris was a nuclear submarine famed for being the object of political dissent at the time), and became celebrated after an infamous incident at Easter Road when he dived inside the box to win a penalty for Rangers. The nearest Hibernian player was several yards away.
Kris Boyd’s spectacular tumble and dramatic appeals on Sunday were worthy of the great (sic) man McDonald himself but such are the times we live in his efforts scarcely seem noteworthy.
If only the SFA chief executive would make some public pronouncement about stamping out cheating.
109 Comments:
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Now if Boyd was wearing green and white Hoops......
Perish the thought.
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get in
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I'm just surprised Paul Elliot wasn't booked.
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paul67
has Wishart come out in support of Boyd or is it only when his members are accused of cheating against Celtic
an unsuprising under reaction from the Scottish media
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I have an incredible knack of coming and posting at the point where Blogger throws a hissy fit.
Cheers Paul for another timely article.
Reply to Kojo from previous thread (have started to copy before submitting just in case):
An interesting suggestion. One that really does conjure thoughts of fantastical fairytales. Our Willie coming through and taking the team by the scruff of the neck, peppering it with talented and hungry youngsters, and assembling the next Lisbon Lions.
It's beyond me to say that it is impossible, and can't work.
But look at his past managerial successes for a moment. some success in the Irish League would not be the only thing we'd like to see on the CV of our next manager.
Which then only leaves us with his record with the youngsters here. It's an impressive record, and one that frustrates me a little that not more of his proteges are breking through/being given a chance in the big team.
It would amount to a massive gamble.
Is it one we can afford to take?
Thanks for the thought though, made me smile.
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Ah Polaris MacDonald
An ugly, talentless wee weasel.
As you say Paul, he wasn't even particularly good at diving. But then, no Rangers player has ever had to be good at it.
Dignity????? Aye right.
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Paul
Surely the question should be asked about the coaching at Ibrox ?
In the past 2 weeks alone we have had not only Boyd but Thompson and Broadfoot as well, flinging themselves about trying to win fouls or get opponents carded.
To me it is a small sign that the huns are feeling pressure but we look incapable of doing anything to add to this !
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Paul67,
Them playing there final game against aberdeen is no coincidence whatsoever i don't care what anyone says. If, and its a big if as i don't see it happening, there is anything to play for on the final day they are playing against there govan friends with previous in such circumstances, but more importantly they will likely have the added excuse of a scottish cup final to play the following week, hence the reason they put out the under 21s.
Last saturdays result/performance becomes more painful anytime you look at there remaining games. I said after the defeat at ibrox we could still win the league if we won the last 8 games though i didn't think we would, there was no doubt they'd drop points in the run in, i didn't however expect us to fall at the first hurdle.
The thing is, before ibrox we all said if we win the next 9 games we win the league, it then changed to if we win the next 8 we should still win it, it's now changed to if we win the next 7 there's still hope. Stranger things have happened and i hope i'm wrong but i just cant see it.
Paul, regardless of what happens you have done a great job of trying to keep spirits high in recent trying times, keep up the good work my friend.
HAIL HAIL.
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Let's be fair here - Boyd fell over.... the Refs assistant failed to give a foul... that was why he was obviously so upset with him.... don't know who the official was but he needs to get it right next time.... or career over
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There seem to a number of myths going around about Gordon Strachan which I would like to challenge.
He inherited a poor highly paid squad from Martin O'Neill. Of that squad Neil Lennon, Bobo Balde and Stan Petrov were mainstays of his Team 1, alongside McManus and Maloney who were never realy regulars under MON. Of that 5 Bobo's wages are well publicised, Neil Lennon took a pay cut to stay at Celtic, and Stan Petrov got a new deal, which I assume was approved by our current board. Maloney and McManus would not have been on big wages. So only really Alan Thompson and Chris Sutton of the squad he took over could be described as being overpaid in relation to their value to Mr Strachan and he got rid of them when he could.
He has achieved in Europe what Martin O'Neill could not, in taking Celtic to the last 16 of the Champions League. MON took over a team ranked 95 in Europe. When he left, after going out with the same nine points that have taken Gordon Strachan through, losing to a dubious last minute penalty to Lyon, our trip to Seville and a UEFA QF after knocking out Barca we were ranked 22 in Europe. Gordon Strachan's Celtic have knocked out only 1 team ranked higher than Celtic in the rankings, (Benfica this season). We are now ranked 43rd in Europe.
He has won 4 domestic trophies out of 6 so he must be good - looks like that's going to be 4 out of 9, not so good.
Gordon Strachan is a better manager than Rijjkard, Mourinho, and Martin O'Neill to name but 3 names I've seen mentioned on here. Come on, he's not even as good as Allardyce, check the statistics, Gordon tells us how they are important.
Gordon Strachan has reduced the wage bill, so Riordan, Pressley, Killen, Sno, Doumbe, Virgo, Gravesen, Robson don't take any wages from the club do they ?
People are asking who would you have to replace him, only one man I can think of, Dermot has his number and maybe he'd come back. Get Martin back where he belongs and this time back him.
I'm 38, apart from the centenary season and stopping 10 in a row, i've seen some fairly bad times, until Martin O'Neill arrived and we put Rangers in their place, and boy did we put them there. My proudest season as a Celtic supporter ended up with us winning nothing, 2003. That team took us to Seville, they took the league to the very last minutes of the season and when we lost the league, we sang "Hold your head up high" and we did. Its not all about winning.
People talk about Black Sunday , which was desperately disappointing but given what was going on in the background, MON can be excused for having his mind off the job, even with that background we only just lost it.
This year we have given the league away even before it started , the plc's refusal to address the obvious deficiencies in the team. 1st thing Smith done was bring in Weir, how we laughed, I'd have him ahead of our captain and that joker who plays beside him. You start at the back and build, no point having a great goalie, if all he gets to do is pick the ball out of the net due to the lack of quality in front of him.
Our board are willing to accept mediocrity, that's why we went for Gordon Strachan, who, to be fair, has surpassed my expectations of him.
Can you imagine Alex Ferguson, Arsene Wenger or Jose Mourinho accepting the injustices we have seen this season to ensure the manky mob stop our 3 in a row. Thats why we need Martin back, he hates them just as much as we do and he loathes Murray.
As a big man once said the Celtic jersey does not shrink to fit inferior players, it seems though that our bench and our boardroom do.
Sorry to rant, but absolutely scunnered that mob are going to win a treble without us even pushing them.
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that was the worsed dive i`ve ever seen( saw it live but not a rerun )
Boyd goes down when Dodds is about a yard away from hin
there is no contact whatsoever
any comment from Duffield ... chief campaigner agaist simulation
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If Boyd's leg isn't broken after that incident, well it will just remain one of life's mysteries.
Wait....did someone not say something similar about a similar incident involving another Rangers player recently?
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Plenty are posting their preferred starting eleven for the remainder of the season.
Here's my tuppenceworth:
Boruc
Balde McManus O'Dea
Hinkel Robson Hartley McGeady
Samaras
McDonald V o Hesselink
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The tabloids would have picked up on this if Boyd was in the Hoops. They'd have concealed their attacks on us by illiciting a quote from Darren Dods (who I think was the innocent defender), and screamed a twisted version of it and massive letters on the back page.
I've been on my own personal crusade to not read any of these rags, not even their websites, for the past couple of months now.
Can anyone tell me if the have.
I don't think I need wait on a reply to know the answer.
PS: Paul, I don't think that it's making excuses about our own league position to highlight things like this. They are not mutually exclusive. Keep it up!
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The Scottish players are the worse for it at Rangers with Hutton, Broadfoot, Thompson, and Boyd all doing dramatic dives throughout the season. The dives by Thompson and Broadfoot against Celtic were as cynical as you can get. Hutton's habit of running alongside players and falling over was particularly annoying. What is worse is that these are the type of players who have no shame about throwing themselves into lunging two footed tackles. These are right sensitive hatchet men!
It's funny that Gordon Smith's favourite team have made him to look stupid. He looks stupid for his hiding after all his pronouncements about stamping diving out of the game and his willingness to slate Lithuanian players for diving, it seems that it's not an issue when it's Scottish Rangers men.
While I say this, I'm not naive to assume that no Celtic player ever goes down easy. I don't necessarily think there are any divers in our team (maybe Samaras?) but I would imagine that some players wouldn't try their hardest to stay on their feet if they feel they are being fouled, I think this is common sense and I wish Brown used this approach against Rangers. The type of diving at Rangers is as cynical as you can get with antics like Boyd's complaining and Thompson getting stretchered off make it all the worse.
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For anyone on here with a bebo account have you seen this page?
Necessary?
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Cardiffbhoy,
You make some good points there, in particular the one regarding the team Martin took over compared to the one Gordon took over from, and where they've taken them.
Id take Martin back in a second, though i'd say the chances of him coming back are somewhere between zilch and none.
He knew he'd taken us as far as he could and needed a fresh challenge, not to mention the revelations since revealed about him lining up the leeds job years back.
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BlantyreKEv, :-)
Pfayr, I try to ignore that source.
Benny, you’re welcome, I will, thanks.
Jbj713, agree.
Chico5, many thanks for your kind words.
Brenlox, agree. Deleted, language.
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My dear,dear,dear friend...Benny Cake..
Thanks for the interest you have shown in my suggestion.
I purposely, threw down the gauntlet... but the reaction has been muted, apart from your good self and my buddy of buddies......
Heigh Ho!
Something must be done to unwind this septic snake that , that has inveigled itself into choking off,the aspirations and dreams of our young worthies..
They see that the door to their promotion, is closed, and quite firmly.
Any advancement by them, to First Eleven reckoning, is a bridge not easily abridged.
I have said it before...so, whatis wrong with repeating it for the Forty Second Time... between friends...huh?
Owing to the Inflationary Financial state of the Transfer Market, which to us is quite crippling...
We simply cannot expect to EVER be fortunate enough to capture any worthwhile Player from it...given the near impecunious state of our treasury...
other, than SECOND RATE IMPORTS.
Note the sorry quality of talent, that is represented by the cadre of players that we have captured ... up to now.
The present state of affairs is a condition that I for one ...find very uncomfortable to live with..
We must sooner or Later......
Seriously consider...
TO ROLL OUR OWN!
Kojo.
yer pal....who appreciates yer interest.
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Did I just read words to the effect "bring MON back?"
Time is a great healer, as they say. MON has his place in Celtic history. However, let us not forget that his final season was less than glorious, and that is ignoring the final day of the season. There was much debate at that time concerning how MON had been rumbled by opposing SPL teams, they knew how to counter his tactics and we didn't know how to change - we had reverted to the long ball, failing which punt it to Bellamy and cross your fingers.
So no, MON is not the way forward (even if he would come), it would be a step sideways.
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Paul,
The fact that you feel the need to explain the Polaris nickname makes me feel very old!
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Kojo, you're welcome. It was worthy of comment.
I dismay of our unfortunate unwillingness to bring these boys through.
These youngsters have been successful in their own sphere, and surely a handful of them can be integrated successfully into the team.
You rightly point out the minefield that is the transfer market.
Surely we should be making forays there to add the finishing touches to our team, rather than build it entire. Why is that good players only come through at other clubs?
The same argument could be made for the pedagogue of these youth in our midst.
I said before it would be a gamble, and stand by that. But I'm still smiling at the thought of it.
Maybe Willie should be "loaned" out to an SPL or Championship team, to see how he copes, and keep him in mind for the next time.
But wee Gordon is still in charge anyway, and retains my support with it, albeit with reservations.
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Kojo :- I don't know enough about Mr McStay to have an opinion on whether he would make a good manager or not, his record below first team level seems good though. The idea itself can be a good one, although maybe some sort of training is needed for a second team coach to prepare him to move up. I think the best example of this would be the famous Liverpool boot room and it didn't seem to do them any harm. If it's not a viable idea this time around it does have the seeds for future management teams.
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my mate has a theory and is goes like this.
"every time artur boruc wears yon grey strip we get a bad result.
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Question memory not the best...
Dose anyone remember date/year of the Sammy Nelson testimonial at Highbury and was it Charlie Nicholas first ish game...
Near Nov 78 ish...
I think 1-0 ish...
Many thanks...
o1bhoy
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My dear,dear,dear,dear,dear, pal... Tiny Tim.
Of course,ye are right...pal...
to promote a ...to some,mind ye.but not I!!..A raw, semi tried Coach, to taking over the running of a World Renowned Soccer Entity...is a BOLD STEP!
But, right now I hear a familiar phrase..niggling,niggling, in my mind's ear...
"But, Faint Heart , ne'er won Fair Lady"...( Whit hiz G.B.S.'s masterpiece, goat tae dae wit it?....ed)( Who mentioned G.B.S.?)
I would be not unsatisfied if Gordon was persuaded to remain,at the helm...I have already given my reasons as to why for us to expect to get a better Coach for the money that we would allow him to work with... is so INFINITESIMAL... that no Worthwhile Coach, capable of earnng his salt,would consider our invitation!
We are in a Catch 23...which is something like a Catch 22...
Only, ......a LOAT MAIR SERIOUS!
If Strachan leaves.... things will rapidly become much more complicated...
A better alternative, may be that he should Remain!
Interesting times are ahead!
Kojo.
yer pal.... who always wull be in your coarner,palomine
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o1bhoy - Tuesday November 25th 1980
Dunno the score but I'm sure we hammered them :o)
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Tam -
the proven theory is-
"every time Rangers need a decision going their way-
they will get it.
[European games excluded-wonder why ?]
Edward Ursus-
you didn't answer my question from last night..........
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Paul - Polaris takes me back, diving git that he was. Fall over a blade of grass that one.
Ardoch, who has been in a Polaris.
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Malceye
You read correctly - I would have him back in the morning.
WIth regard to his last season, would that be the one where we lost the league by 1 point on the last day in the last minute of the season. We scored 85 goals. We won the Scottish Cup, after knocking out mighty Clyde 5-0 away from home. A team that was rumbled yet still managed to take the title to the very last minutes of the season. Our current team was rumbled a lot sooner.
He didn't receive any backing from the board to supplement his aging squad, and his bargain buys were no better than Gordon Strachan's , the difference is that his big buys all delivered, Sutton, Joos, Thompson, Lennon, Hartson.
I have seen both David Moyes and Mark Hughes mentioned, with few negative comments in the last few days. Martin's record in England stands comparison with either of them. He is the outstanding candidate in the Premiership, given that neither Fergie or Wenger would want the job. He should be asked at least if he wants it.
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sammy nelson testimonial 0-0 1980 about oct/nov charlie had played a few games for celtic by then
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test
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My dear,dear,dear,dear buddy.. Ed
It is an idea that I have been mulling over, for some time...
I had not mulled for ages... and I recommend it to anyone who enjoys a good mull!
To promote from within, is not always the best way to go...
Nevertheless, you must be aware that this is a very special set of circumstances, in which Celtic have found themselves, enmeshed,my friend...
They simply cannot affort the Coin..that would be required to entice any Incoming Manager, who has ALL of the qualities that they are looking for.
They will have to settle...
And I hate to settle...
To settle...is a dirty woid... where I come from...
No Winner ever...SETTLES, for a SETTLEMENT!
A WINNER... Takes... He Grabs... He Corrals... He Seizes!
So the last kind of Manager that I want at Celtic Park..
Is one that we SETTLE FOR!
Makes sense to me!
Kojo.
yer pal.... who likes yer craic.(whit's that?...ed)( How should I know... I don't even know the language!)
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HanSolo :-If that was the one that stated if I didn't agree with everything you said I should go and sing the billy boys I didn't see much point. As far as I could see it wasn't a question but a statement.
23.06
If it wasn't that one then I apologise for missing it and will try to answer if you repeat it.
I'll do my best to answer any question put to me but not one that ends in or contains an insult. (joking types excepted)
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Surely Mr boyd only makes it to No2 in the chart
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Those wishing MON would return are unfortuneately deluded.
My understanding is that he wanted to leave before his domestic circumstances intervened.
I agree wholeheartedly that he was the best British manager around.
Ask yourself who else has actually won anything in England outside the big 4 in the last 15 years ?
MON did !
Still I think his time is over just like Gordon's
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ted 22:53
don't read the Kojo so I'm not sure if you are talking about Paul or Will.
William can do.
Paul cannot manage his txt messages.
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Sorry that link I put up earlier was duff. This is the page it was supposed to link to:
Strachan Out
Does he deserve this type of stuff? I can't believe just how bitter some people are regards Gordon Strachan. At least the guys on here have valid and well put arguments against him but some of the comments on here are just abusive plain and simple.
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cardiff,
please don't make the error of thinking that I make any comparison between MON and Strachan, I refuse to do so.
I was simpy recalling the debate that raged here during that last MON season. There is little purpose served in mentioning the points collated etc - you simply invite the shouts of "CL last 16 qualification" by the pro WGS camp. I just think that his (MON) time at CP had come to an end regardless of his personal circumstances.
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Kojo - Who gives complete absolution to the manager for the current 'malaise'
Gravesen
Jarosik
Brown
CALDWELL!!
PRESSLEY!!!!!
SNO
Donati
Jvoh
Thats 15M+ yes 15M+ wasted. Who is culpable for this??
so please do not state that a manager of repute would not be tempted with a bounty like this bi-annually.
Continued inclusion of
Nakamura
jvoh
caldwell
mick
donati
naylor
Thats half a team, yes half a team that play week in and week out regardless of how poorly they consistantly perform. - and yes there are alternatives available in all of these positions. Who is culpable for this???
The continued exclusion of
riordan
balde
hartley
samaras
robson.
Surely all should have featued over the painful past 3/4 months in place of the usual suspects listed previously.
Who is culpable for this??
The disgraces that were A.B. (possibly mitigating circumstances), clyde, a midfield of sno, donati, jarosik in a match at ibrox.
No flexibility in team formation or tactics. The starting line up on Saturday. 40 minutes to go on Sat. to save the season. Still 442 even vs 1 m'well player up front when we desperately require a goal.
Removal at this point of the countries top marksman (26 goals).
Continuation of 442, when it is surely apparent that we do not have the personell for this formation.
Who is culpable for this???
And if you care to respond please do not patronise me with the your pal stuff. Heard enuf of this kind of retoric from your stubborn we pal.
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Ardoch...
dannybhoy...
Thank you both... yea i remember now we gubbed them 0-0 Charlie must have got the ''big lights''bug that night...
First encounter of ''inner city firm'' that night West Ham...
A Testimonial in November...hmmmm Obviously not busy in EUROPE November way back then...
HAIL HAIL...
o1bhoy
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Whitedoghunch :- I was talking about W. McStay, (I think) the one who was a manager in Ireland and is on the back room staff at Celtic Park.
I think the idea of a bootroom sat up the way Liverpool did it is a good one but the problem is in how to manage the step up. For a player he can be introduced to the first team in stages, coming on as a sub, playing the odd game etc. For a manager it's harder maybe letting him take control in the league cup would be a solution or farming him out to a smaller club much as young players are sent on loan.
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porridge&bananas
can't believe that someone would go to such trouble. I regret to say however that, ignoring the lazy use of profanity, there is much accuracy in the opinion expressed.
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Paul, thanks for putting up the video of Boyd cheating, I hadn't seen it before now and wondered if it was as bad as made out. An absolutely shocking attempt at cheating.
Two things immediately sprang to mind. One - why was there no yellow card? Two - Scott Booths laughing off of the incident. Compare his reaction to Boyd to his reaction to Nakamura at Love St (which wasn't even a dive).
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Ed
he is the chap.
As always your thought process seems right.
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malceye
I agree, there are some valid points made in some comments but it was the stream of abuse contained within the comments that got my goat. I've put on a comment bacing up Strachan so I'm waiting to see what kind of stuff I get back.
I suppose that is what makes CQN what it is. Almost all the arguments on whatever subject are well put and articulate. Lately there has been a bit of tension, but on the whole it's a site where Celtic fans can debate with each other in a civilised manner.
cardiffbhoy
I agree with you as regards the last season under MON. I was bored the other day and was reading one of my bhoys Celtic Christmas Annual of 2006, which mainly looked back at season 2004/05. I recall that season being turgid and dull but the goals scored and points accumulated were impressive.
I didn't rate the pairing of Sutton and Hartson as it was slow and one-dimesional. A comment stood out regarding a John Hartson goal. It was the 35th goal between the two and it was only January! Skippy and JVOH must be only just above that now and we're into April. I have no doubt the points gained that season would be enough to win the League this year.
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porridgeandbannanas,
Thanks for the Bebo link. Reminds me of why I never use that site! A bit old for their target market too I suppose; it's not really for us auld hauns!
You're right about the general standard of posting on here - there are a lot of really articulatr posters amongst us Celtic fans and even the ones I disagree with are generally a good read. And often on subjects other than football too.
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pfayr (from previous thread),
I hope your daughter has a huge smile at the end of the season.
I also hope you save your £500 and in the process take the opportunity to teach her one of life's truly tangible lessons.
Ask her to choose a rescue dog - there is no feeling in the world like it. I know, I was her age and it has stayed with me from that day till now.
The dog will repay her 1000 times over with unconditional devotion and love - as most dogs do - but she will always know that SHE made the difference to that dog's life.
She'll be reminded of her act of compassion every single day the dog is with her.
And she'll remember it every single day of her life, long after the dog is gone.
One of life's great lessons for a child - don't pay £500, someone else will but there's a dog waiting on her to rescue it.
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porridgeandbananas
Agree 100/%. It was the first time I have seen it and it is shocking. The problem is that to date the media are not reporting these issues as you have said .
Paul67 re above - that is why it is vitally important that you continue to highlight these issues otherwise the league extension,Wattie's encroachment and this cheating will not be discussed .
Surely one of the bright guys can contact Setanta as to the clear bias in the Naka/Broadfoot/Thomson and now Boyd scenario.
By the way this is not soley the reason why this league is sliping away, but it is still right to put these thing out in the open ala Fergie, Mourinho and Wenger.
Finally no to MON coming back.
Slán
Ard Macha
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cardiff Bhoy @ 22:20
Excellent post, agree with every word.
For me M O'N should be number one on our list of targets. He may not be interested as I suspect he is destined for a top four job in England but we at least have to ask him the question.
He may answer an SOS from us to sort out the mess created by the current manager and board which has gone along way to destroying the clubs reputation he worked so hard to restore.
bringbackthemessiah csc
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Bless me, Father, for I have sinned.
Father, it is about...erm, roughly,...erm, it's over 35 years since my last confession.
You are not going to believe me, Father. I was absent mindedly reading through an article on CQN, when somebody agreed with something that Kojo had posted earlier.
I know I shouldn't have done it,..but I went back & had a look.
As God is my judge, I meant no harm.
No, Father, I know there is no real harm in that, in itself.
The thing is, ..I'm ashamed to say this,...the thing is I....I....I agree with him.
There, I've said it.
He was suggesting that if Wee Gordon walks out,...well, I don't think we would have the cheek to sack him,..but if he goes, we could do worse than give Willie McStay a crack at managing the first team.
Do you know something, Father,...
I think we could do far worse.
I can see no down side to it.
I don't see how he could be less likely to make a go of it than some of the names that are being suggested.
He knows every boy on our books & he knows more about Celtic than anybody on our wish list. He could unite our support & he has a smashing record with Sligo & with the Celtic boys.
I tried not to agree with it, but I was weak & I succumbed.
Five decades, Father ?
No, No,... I deserve more than that.
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Kojo from the previous thread.
Sorry for the delay in replying to you. visitors arrived just as I posted and am just now catching up.
Adapt or die. Yea. Not original, but, I think, apt.
Your theory of promoting the reserve team coach, in the event of a vacancy, is interesting.
There is a certain merit in principle, on the grounds of his intimate knowledge of who is ready or not for promotion.
However, I feel there is a kind of barrier between the reserve set up and the first team, inasmuch as they don't necessarily train together and his familiarity with the top team would be on more or less a nodding acquaintance.
Whether this is surmountable or not is moot.
I believe in the principle that the manager should control all aspects of the playing staff and should therefore be au fait with every player on his books.
Gordon Strachan, by his regular attendance at reserve games, appears to match this criteria.
His predecessor, on the other hand, famously said that he was not interest in 16-18 year olds as "I would be dead by the time they came through".
His record of promoting youth bore this out.
Has Willie Mc.Stay got the Field Marshal's baton in his rucksack? I don't know.
Heading for the Ovaltine and the cot. Niteall.
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Before I go.
I read a few posts there about dogs.
Two guys were discussing whether a dog or the wife was a man's best friend.
One lad said, "Lock your dog and your wife in the boot of your car for an hour and see which one is glad to see you!!!" Woof woof.
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More that decent match tonight in the CL. Arsenal were in the end well beaten, but their stats overall make interesting reading. Won nothing in three seasons (may yet win Premiership this, ok), last won league 4 years ago. No European success under Wenger, who in sum in twelve seasons, excluding Europe (runners-up twice) and 4 charity Shields, has won 7 from 36 trophies (3 leagues, 4 FA Cups). Summer of 2007 spent £17m, brought in £31m. Anywhere near the sack? Absolutely not. Interesting case overall.
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I suppose that it's because of what happened before Wenger took over. He may have won only 3 titles in 12 seasons, but Arsenal had only won 3 titles in the 42 years prior to his arrival.
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Just returned from seeing Ray Davies perform at the Beacon Theater in NYC....
Great Gig...
Found myself in the unusual position of sitting three seats along from a very tense Lou Reed (hey maybe he was chilled I can only say how he looked). What should I say to him..... I thought.
Then Ray sang a song...
a Celtic Song...?
Maybe I am wrong......
Roll on the Guile amongst the Bile.......
Drunk PJ Signing Off......
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And Like Any Drunk...
He must save the Last Word....
For The Young Haunds......
Inroducing...
Lou Reed.
Gordon......Do What the Coloured Girls Do...
History Has Not Left the Room.....Yet.
Roll On The Past......
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Reworded forEdward Ursus-
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An absolute joke-
what else would you expect from the SPL this season?
Every POSSIBLE help has been given to the huns
since the pre-season "computerised fixture list"
aka
lodgedocumentwinatallcosts.
Edward Ursus-
you state that all pro teams are lying cheats-
I only see one.
Do feel any sense of embarrassment-
at the help you have had from referees AND linesmen,
the feigning injury,
the diving,
the lying,
the pulling out of the Scotland squad by UNINJURED players,
the asking for the postponement of a match against Gretna before your Champions League HUMILIATION-
at home-
by Lyon,
the unbookable,
throat grabbing,
hacking,
mouthing off at the ref,
captain,
the STONEWALL penalties not given against your team,
the fact that the dirtiest player I have EVER seen in football,
Lee McCulloch-who should have been sine died -
for some of his attempts to injure fellow pros-
has less bookings than the most fouled player in the SPL,
?
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Han...
The Force is Certainly with You..... Puullleease..
Roll it over to the Bhoys....
:0)
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Guys, leave of Edward - Its not his fault that some referees want to help his team.
I have a number of r*ngers supporting mates, one, cant see the bias during the game but after viewing the highlights will admit they got lucky breaks - he blames this on poor refeering. Another, think there is a bias and says - Its the way it is m8 you are a 'catholic' team in a country where catholics are outnumbered 10 to 1 there will always be bias! (Catholic Team? Nous ?)
I dont like to see any team getting help, I was embarrassed at some of the things going our way at the Falkirk away game before xmas - but its personal view - I find that kind of thing embarrassing, whereas one mate says he will take anything thats going.
Dear Joan Burnie - Should I fall out with the m8 who doesnt see the Bias? ;-)
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MVG yesterday @ 1659.
Mighty Fine effort my man - i'll away and see if our team selection has been a consistent one or not.
Thanks again mate
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Having not seen the rakers game at the weekend and obviously having heard nothing about this in the press, this is the first time that I have seen this incident and once again we are talking about the injustices in our game. I made a point a couple of days ago that the club shoul be making some noises on these issues to highlight this rank poor standard of officiating. There must be a Celtic minded hack somewhere that can be employed in the press room. In the last week alone we have heard about wattie pushing an official, ignoring a touchline ban and now this. Does any one expect action to be taken, of course not. I for one live in England where this sort of thing just would not be allowed to happen and unfortunatley it will turn fans away from our beloved club. Silence is not an option.
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I don`t watch the highlights programmes but I saw Boyd`s goal celebration on Sunday on the news but by Monday Reporting Scotland had edited the view of him after the goal. Obviously the dive wasn`t shown either.
Should we bother about this? The more time we spend moaning the more moany we`ll be. :-(
According to BBC site this is showdown day for Riordan. Is he bothered?
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Believe it or not they stock a copy of the Daily Ranker in our library reading room (PFAyr will testify to the incredulity of that fact). Amid the pages declaring Cuellar as good as Ferdinand and Terry (ahem), recalling the 1972 european cup (that no longer exists), there is a whole page devoted to phone-ins to Hugh Keevins. All are from Celtic "fans" and all deride Strachan.
I ask, who are these people. Do they really exist ? I find it incredible that given the widely held knowledge that the media manipulate such information to undermine Celtic, that any fan would telephone, whatever level of dissatisfaction they are currently experiencing.
I raise this because I truly do wonder whether these "fans" exist and these calls have been made. Does the DR retain the addresses and telephone numbers of these "fans" ? Let's be honest, its not difficult to write a disparaging rant under the name, say, Jim O'Brien of Port Glasgow, of Greenock or wherever. Is there an independent verifier that these calls are in fact they hold themselves out to be, ie, are they genuine ?
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porridgeandbananas @ 23.35
absolutely shocking mate, I had no idea we had 'supporters' like that, must be living in a bubble.
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The first game at Ibrox this season was the most animated I have been watching a game for years.
I can take the defeats, I've been at a few bad ones against that mob, it was the manner.
The dog doesn't even come into the room when he hears football commentary now.
Her indoors did find it amusing watching me but has now changed her opinion.
Now she is a woman who watches football, can hold a discussion quite comfortably about a number of sports and certainly holds her own views. She is also English, so whenever I discussed the bias in Scotland, the patronising 'there there' was always prevalent.
Thats changed since that day.
To have 9 players booked when the general concensus was that our players haven't 'dug in' was bad enough but the constant, almost weekly joke that is refereeing in Scotland is becoming ridiculous.
It really helps having a fresh, unpartisan view on incidents - her language is gonna get worse than mine soon - I can see it coming.
I have been going to games since the late 70's and I really don't remember it being so bad. I remember certain incidents (such as McDonald at Easter Road) very clearly but not the constant drip feed.
I have read articles about Celtic's paranoia over the years, this has really got to be as bad.
The little decisions make all the difference. The warnings not bookings, the award or not of a free kick or penalty. It will not even itself out, not this year.
Even with all of that happening, up until last Saturday, I was confident that we would win the league.
I don't know what the answer is but it seems that we will need to score 3 and not conceed any just to get a draw.
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As this grim season drags its weary catcase off to a well-deserved bullet in the knacker's yard there has only been one of the numerous calamities which have befallen us that hasn't been self-inflicted.
The exception, and worst of them all, has been TBurns' health problems. Most of the rest have been down to poor team selection, poor tactics, poor decisions in the transfer market and poor motivation. The faults for these lie not at the SFA, with the referees or our pals in the Media. They lie within the confines of Celtic.
At the start of next season, whoever is in charge will have to put out a team not expecting any favours from the SFA, from referees nor the media. Twas always thus.
But there are things we can control, so that we can rise above adversity and win trophies. We've done it before and we can do it again. The first step has to be to take a good hard look at ourselves though, before we press the blame button.
Anyways, after last night's battling draw against the Swans I'm beginning to think there may be a promotion party at Brunton Park come May.
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itzallova
I was disappointed when I saw it, and I only saw it because I had seen that a couple of my friends had become 'friends' of that page.
I just can't believe a Celtic supporter would put up a site with the videos of our worst games under Strachan, like Artmedia.
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Catcase shoud be carcase;~>.
PS John' Polaris' Mcdonald is now a driver for Greater Glasgow Health Board.
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Please can we stop this MON nonsense.He's gone and won't be back - and I for one don't want hiom back.
Besides MON should be judged for the titles he didn't win as well as the ones he did. Our capitilation in 2005 was as much down to him as the players.Furthermore his mismanagement in 2003 ensured we didn't win the title then either.
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Morning All,
Got out the wrong side of bed this morning. Grrr!
Need to have a wee gripe.
My top 3 pet hates about how people write/talk these days…..
In reverse order….
Coming in at number 3 we have… (drum roll)…. “End of”. WHY people? WHY? Some doppy bint said it on the telly. That doesn’t make it cool!!! End of.
Number two… the indisputable, king (yeah right) of proving your point…. Yes, it’s the daddy, it’s…… “FACT” (MUST be in capitals)
The optional Exclamation mark can of course be used to NO effect whatsoever. FACT!!!)
But, on it’s own at number one pop-pickers, is…….
And this REALLY grates me….
“of” instead of “have” (e.g “he must of done it”) WHAT’S THAT ALL ABOUT???
Glad to of got that of my chest. FACT! End of.
p.s. Robson on the left and McGeady on the right for rest of season please Gordon?
p.p.s On a more cheery note, I've only got 3 more weeks to go in this job! :-)
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dbbia
Like yourself I can't wait for the season to finish.
There are staff at Celtic Park who should be ashamed of their contribution this season both on and off the park.
Next season I hope both on and off the park to see a more aggression.
I want to see our board and PR dept challenge some of the negative media reports.
I want us to retaliate first. I'm fed up with us being an easy target who accept everything the press say.
We need to start mean and set the rules. Rangers get an easy ride and always will under Smith/Murray.
An example of Celtic being the easy target were the Roy Keane headlines recently.
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porridge.....
I suspect that these type of 'supporters' could answer malceye's 10.03 query....
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HanSolo :- As far as diving goes I've said before about the more blatant examples that they are wrong and the player involved should be carded. This goes as far back as P. Lovenkrands and as recently as K. Thompson both of whom I said were wrong, after watching the clip someone posted a link to I'll add K. Boyd to that, he should have been carded.
The postponement against Gretna I'm on record on here as saying it was wrong and I did find that one embarrassing.
As for the rest then the answer is no, I'm not. Every team cheats when they are on the park, they even have the cheek to call it gamesmanship or a pro foul, sometimes it's even lauded as taking one for the team.
As I said in a previous post the corinthian spirit is long gone from football.
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St Gris
You are welcome, one thing there was a couple of games where Ryan Conroy played but I thought he played at the back if not for those two games you'll need to include him and exclude Hartley who would have covered full back.
On a separate issue, The Sammy Nelson testamonial was my first ever Celtic game, as I live in the London area it was very handy. Went along with my dad and brother and my dad's pal (who wrote Over and Over by the way)We were in the Arsenal end and when the Celtic end was full the police allowed the Celtic fans in our end and allowed them to walk in front of the main stand. The Arsenal fans all ran toward the Celtic end and to say I was scared was an understatement ( I was only 10). Made my dad take me home, he vowed never to take me to another game again. Within two years I had made my first trip to Paradise and then I was hooked. Went up many times over the years but never got to a game with my dad and bought my first season ticket 5s easons ago but my one regret was never getting to go to a game with my old man again.
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