Debt spectre looms ominously over football

Gonk

podium ?

Arthur Lee - PICK IT OOT !!!!

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See Whit Happens When Ye Dinae Put Dubbin Oan Yir Football....

o1laceupballsbhoy

"Rangers on the rates" BRILLLIANT.

Off to work now, its going to be another great day.

Hail Hail

GB

WG

What happened when you and your pals played your bhoy and his pals?

Sorry if you've said and I missed it.

Paul67,

can you or anyone confirm that the license issued, required for clubs participation in European football is in fact issued by the national association ?

effectively meaning Rangers, The SFA, creative accountancy will ensure Rangers presence in Europe - if they qualify.

There are so many issues surrounding this particular issue and its such a mess that it is a testament to what a god awful job the games administrators have done.

They have failed spectacularly. They have lost their control of the game due to their own greed.

I have worked for an autonomous unaccountable European organisation for many years and it does not surprise me. There isn´t such an organisation that doesn´t become a self serving self interested hotbed of corruption. It could and should be easily monitored and controlled and European Governments need to get together to stop their people being ripped off at yet an other juncture.

The franchise is coming and once it is in place only then will UEFA and FIFA actually start doing what they were setup to do.

HAil Hail

Brother Taylor - coming to a saga near you soon !!

perhaps those who so loudly condemned the board for adopting a low debt strategy would like to publicly admit that Quinn and co got their strategy spot on?

Sellik First -

not happening till Easter - GO GO GUNNERS, BEAT THE HOOPS

Talking of large debts, I am looking for a bit of advice. I have the opportunity to go to the MU game at Old Trafford, but in the MU end. Anybody got any views on how the people of Manchester are going to react to 2 Scots in their midst?

Not much of a viewfaethewindae this last wee while, looking forward to all this international inconvenience to be over and the players returning injury free. Wee Chick will be sharpening the pencil as we speak, wonder what the state of the nation will be this evening? All glory to Murray or the truth? Go on Cheeko spin that wheel.

Would you like sauce with that?

If the mancs are like the scousers then they will be absolutely charming to you until Celtic go 1 up ;-)

lamartine,
Please delete

Would you like sauce with that?

I'm doing that as well. Sitting with 2 ManU season ticket holders .

Similarly , I don't expect many issues . Although I'm going to pass in the kilt - just colours.

EHIY ,

if you're around. Still looking for a ticket for you.

Sannabhoy

Lamartine, deleted.

Gerrybhoy71 :-)

Awe Naw, I believe it is issued by the national associations.

WG

Fair enough. Did you put it off until next Easter in the hope they would discover other interests and let you off?

I mean, there is none of us getting any younger, and it sounded a difficult enough prospect when you first mentioned it.

Sauce with that,

I was in with Man U fans when JVOH scored at old trafford in our last CL game down there, there was one guy, that got upset when i jumped 10 feet in the air, a few choice words exchanged, at half time we shook hands and agreed it was a good game.

You will be fine pal.

Hail Hail

is it still poetry day or does it stop at midday like April Fools Day. I hope not
Will David Murray tell us why his plans are not all pie in sky?

As if we think that Ibrox Park is any safer after dark

With shops and hotels built outside, it’s still the home of a rabid tribe

One would be brave to venture there, without two pairs of underwear

Though we’d be wrong to rule it out, it has a use without a doubt

Since Glasgow council needs a hame for followers of Scotland’s Shame
Where they can knuckle drag along to racist anti Irish song

And inter breed with man and beast, and anything not on the list

Of followfollow (hallowed site) of five thumbed creatures of the night

Who gorge on toilet duck then pee, (upsetting the good old RST)

In Spanish cities’ holy sites and anywhere their bladder bites

Plan all you want at Ibrox Park. You’ll never move the fetid mark

That’s deep ingrained down Ibrox way by unsurpassed indignity

Does David Murray know the score? One star, Dave, means so much more

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/7660409.stm

There may be trouble ahead ....

Will the Institution be Nationalised! How strange a bail out that would be. So Conservative, yet so Socialist in concept!

Would we all then own Ibrox (circa 120m), and a debt of 30m. No thanks!

Vote Green at the next election!

Sellik First -

SOAL, NAFOS and myself have a post-Christmas Health Farm sabbatical to get prepared for the the big match. I thought maybe Seamill for tradition's sake. We're like three Boabby Murdochs being sent away by Big Jock with our socks roon our podgy ankles. We will return like graceful athletes, lithe and hungry.

(oops thought I was back in author-mode then)

WBG

Ouch 1 !

Ouch 2 !!

Ouch 3 : And Murray thinks he's got problems !!!

pablophanque

But surely the poor taxpayer, who already involuntarily subsidises the lifestyle of many a Rangers supporter (indeed, the invasion of Manchester would not have been possible had many of the horde been denied their various state benefits that week), would object to taking on yet another special institution?

I would urge them to find a private sector solution to their problems. Perhaps they should sell off Ibrox (apparently the stadium is worth over £100m!) and groundshare with Partick Thistle or Queens Park.

Does anybody know if Rangers FC still own Ibrox?

Would You Like Sauce With That @ 12:37...

After the last Champions League game at Old Trafford my brother was driving back to London and had parked his car near the Stretford End.

He was wearing Celtic colours.

He had to make his way to the car via the Stretford End and was attacked by some Manchester United "supporters" and given a bit of a kicking.

He had to visit A&E and suffered cracked ribs.

I know that other Celtic supporters had a lot more positive experience amongst the home support at that game however I am just alerting you to the fact that not all the locals are friendly.

Take care.

£26m bank robbery trial collapses....(BBC web)

The wee guy can buy a couple of investers boxes with his compensation from the Northin Irish constab

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Sorry Need To Leave....

Incident in the City....

"Man Down....Man Down"....

Some may find this of interest regarding the lead article by Paul67
http://www.footballeconomy.com/

Found this in Pablo's ouch 1

"Zimbabwe inflation soars to 231 million percent"

This is truly mesmerising and very hard to get your head round.

I wonder how it affects their internal transfer market. It's a good job the January window is not yet open.

Well Done to Chris Ward's legal team!.
Joke of a trial should never have happened.

Won't be long now Chris till you are back at Parkhead
Hail Hail!

I wouldn't be surprised if one possible ace up Sir David's sleeve for today's AGM is a new shirt deal with Adidas. My Ibrox insiders tell me that Sir David had been quite taken with the strips Adidas have come up with for French rugby club, Stade Francais.

Don't know about anyone else, but I reckon that Kris Boyd would look simply stunning in that Andy Warhol inspired third strip.

Paul,

I really think that UEFA should stick to the football, rather than start policing the finances of clubs. When is a club's debt too big? Surely that's a matter for the board and the shareholders. I'm pretty sure that the accountants could juggle the books anyway to ensure that any criteria were met.

On the other hand I agree with our club's strategy of minimising debt to ensure the the stability and security. On the other hand if other clubs wish to gamble, that should be their right. A couple of high profile failures would do a world of good to illustrate that serious debt can have consequences.

There was a footsoldier called Curly
Whose demeanour was often quite surly
In his kilt he was dashing
While the Scots took a bashing
Noo his skean dhu's headin fur Burley

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To Late the Feds Are Here....

Gordon
I live & work in Manchester and I was speaking to a United fan yesterday and he admitted that he saw a couple of Celtic fans getting a bit of a doing the last time we were in town. From what he said it seems singing YNWA riles them a bit like any song from the huns repertoire gets under our skin. The Mancs hate the Scousers and vice versa. Obviously this does not have the anti Catholic sentiment of the huns hatred towards us, but it should not be underestimated. I am sure 99.99% of Man Utd fans will be OK but you cant legislate for idiots, no matter what team they support.

Does anyone know how many tickets we got for Manchester?

HH
CTTC

There was a schoolbhoy named McGeady
Who wiz sent fae his class tae the Heidy
" You will noo pick yir country
n show nae affrontry
bit remember the Scots dinnae need ye "

Someone asked on the last thread about pubs/clubs near The Reebok in Bolton. Sorry mate, but the Reebok is out in the sticks a bit and while there are some Beefeater type pubs around there nothing much to write home about. A taxi into Bradshawgate in the centre of Bolton would be your best bet - plenty of pubs/clubs around there. Not sure how busy it will be on a Thursday night though.

Here we are, it's now October
And George Burley is quite sober
Though the Scotland team will drive him back to drink
Another world cup we'll miss
George will be back on the piss
While the Scottish coefficient further sinks

Meanwhile down the Copeland Road
There's a racist song being lowed
That the media do not hear and will not mention
But the day is coming soon
When the Celts will call the tune
It will see us win the league with no extension

No huns in Europe next year too
Sir David’s debt will fast accrue
But wait, is this a saviour mounted on a horse
Alas, it is no shining knight
Lloyds/TSB come into sight
To find out more read CQN of course

Sauce - we sat in the Stretford End at the last CL game and it got pretty ugly when JVoH scored. It stayed that way until they made sure of their victory.
There is no special relationship with them and oh how I loved doing them at CP. They were sick after it!

Lubo - no mention on here now of "debt nutters". Strange!

Paul - have these ML2er's got nothing better to do all day apart from hitting F5?!

TTTT

Cadizzy - At least Robert Mugabe can truthfully boast that, under his leadership, lots of ordinary Zimbabweans have become millionaires! Even if their currency is now worth less than one of those novelty Murray Moonbeams fivers.

It would seem our own heroic leaders are following Mugabe's example. After a financial crisis created by years of lax monetary policy, what is their answer to the inevitable popping of the credit bubble the central banks have created? Run the printing presses, but even more so! This time next year, Rodney, we'll all be millionaires, heaven help us.

Now is the time to invest in wheelbarrow companies.

Some quotes from FF from punters back from the AGM (Their spelling not mine) :)

"Just back from the AGM. Usual nonsense. At least Murray agreed that JJB are not holding up there end of the deal and he said if they go under then the rights go back to Rangers."

"Got a bid rowdy when they tried to end the Q&A session after only 25 mins. People started shouting out about it being a disgrace that people were not getting the chance to ask there questions and then Murray went all defensive "ok we will keep going then, ask all the questions you like!""

"its almost oscar winning.
punter: whats going on with the pies
king david: i shall look into this"

"Hopefully GS got a note of all the questions asked and will do a report later. If it started at 11 and your home by 1 then it shows how poorly they think of the fans"

"On a lighter note Dave King fell on his a**e walking up to the top table"

"Murray claimed that it was not the right economic time for a capacity increase"

"We can't fill it every week anyway,pointless adding 10,000 seats only to see them empty every week, celtic and big european games apart "

"He said the reason we havent hit the targets is becuase "JJB are not operating the Rangers account properly and could sell so much more if it was run properly" but there is nothing he can do about how JJB run there shops."

"Someone asked if Murray can guarantee that we wont sell important players in Jan that could cost us the title like Hutton did, Murray said he could NOT as we need to get the debt back down"

"Months after seeing the biggest invasion of football fans in a city (despite forking out a fortune already in games prior to Manchester) and it's not the right time for a capacity increase.

Yet when nobody can get a mortgage and retail figures are on the slide, Murray thinks that it's the right time to build a residential and retail complex opposite Ibrox."

"Yep, regarding the club defending the fans, Murray said "I'M GOING TO BE BE CONTROVERSIAL HERE, THERE IS A MINORITY OF OUR SUPPORT WHO CONTINUALLY LET US DOWN, BE IT IN THE STANDS OR DIFFERENT WEBSITES, THEY LEAVE US WIDE OPEN FOR ATTACKS BY THE MEDIA AND I ASK YOU THE DECENT RANGERS SUPPORTERS TO POINT OUT THESE PEOPLE""

Not a happy bunch of bears.

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Use Luminol....

And Check the Blood Spater....

celtic_to_the_core @ 1:29...

I agree that the overwhelming number of Manchester United fans will be fine.

I do think though that the message to Celtic supporters who find themselves outwith the main body of our support should be to keep their wits about them.

I thought that we received 5% of the capacity of Old Trafford - i.e about 3750.

PBF
Murray is indeed being controversial as the last time I went to Ibrox for a game the anti Catholic "minority" was about 40,000!!!
I believe Murray is fighting a losing battle and cant wait to sell up!
HH
CTTC

Gordon
I totally agree that fellow Celts have to be careful when down in Manchester when not in the mass group. However, I am sure our fans will go a long way to repair Manchesters image of football fans supporting a team from Glasgow.
You coming down?
HH

I don't know if anyone saw the BBC News at 1 o'clock. There was an item about the Catholic (I use the word deliberately)who has been found innocent of the biggest bank robbery in UK history in Belfast. As his legal representative said after the case collapsed "his being Catholic was sufficient for some considering him guilty". BBC Ulster shortly after, in their reporting of the case somehow cut short the spokesman as he was about to speak the words.....I wonder why?

Sir David reckons that his "support" have vastly improved during the 20 years of his tenure. They must have been truly awful before then, as we all know only too well.

BBC Scotland had Duffield and crew all smiles at Hampden. They were there seemingly to discuss bigotry in football but he was only asked about the Norway game (or at least that is all that was reported). No mention of THAT putrid ditty.

winningemmell = new ginmill men, new tesers cologne

Curly...

Some classic stuff on the previous post my good man!

Gus.

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Phone the Fed's

Celtic_to_the_core...

I am sure too that the Celtic supporters will leave a better impression on the citizens of Manchester than our ancient rivals did in May.

I will be there,though we are treating the trip a bit like a visit to Aberdeen straight to the game and back again.

Regards,

Dick Byrne

Those adidas strips you linked at 1.22pm are simply devine. Have Partick not got a pink shirt now.

But as you point out - the 3rd shirt is exceptional and opens the door for some great shirts.

Arthur Borucs goalie shirt would obviously have pictures of the pope on it

Charlie Adams (figure hugging shirt) would have pies on it

Barry feargusons would have barry fearguson on it

Any other suggestions !!!!!!!!!!!

Extract fron announcement on www.investegate.co.uk

Rangers Football Club plc

Rangers Football Club plc held its Annual General Meeting today at the Ibrox
Stadium, Glasgow.

All resolutions were passed either unanimously or by an overwhelming majority.

This announcement has been approved by the directors of The Rangers Football
Club plc.

WHERE MINTY LEADS WE WILL FOLLOW (FOLLOW)

Gordon
have a good trip, shame you can't join in the fun in the pubs beforehand, but no matter what I hope your team wins!
HH
CTTC

For those worrying about visiting Manchester, I don't think as a general rule you need concern yourselves. I regularly wear a Celtic top to the gym and have never had any problems, even in the wake of TFOD visit. A habitue of our local bookies is invariably garbed in Celtic top or tammy (or indeed both) and never gets any aggro.

I do know that Man U supporters hate YNWA, because they identify it with Liverpool. Mind you, a lot of their support are not local and some of them might not be too welcoming. In the 70s, Man U had just about the most notorious away support of all.

By the bye, I watched our demolition of Liverpool at Anfield among their support and had no problems at all. It was handshakes all round.

Stuart 1.26 - A clubs debt level is a football issue though. Say somehow manage to bring in Kaka, Pirlo and C Ronaldo in January and narrowly beat us to the title, getting the CL place. However they go into administration. They're docked point the next season but that doesn't alter the fact that they denied us a CL place through financial mismanagement.

Or to use the other end of the table, the financial consequences of dropping out the Premiership are huge. Imagine your team were pipped into third bottom by a high spending team that subsequently went into administration.

Anyone else going to the fives just as a precursor to the Hibs game.

Wet your whistle whilst watching your favorite fives team,and then down London Road for the big game,forget BBs that morning.

Paul 67

" rangers on the rates "

This model is used by Green Bay Packers in the NFL. They are subsidised by the residents of Brown County on their local taxes.

Although its a bit different there because the authorities favour them completely in that state local legislation seems to be skewed in their favour to make allowances for the organisation.

This could never happen in the West of Scotland ..................

WG from previous.....

Cheers Amigo...that Dungloe trip was one of the finest.

Great memories....if only I could remember them.

St Tully.

p.s. Doncha just love the Bold Bertie Bhoy? Was watching my favourite Lisbon Lion on a Celtic TV repeat last night. The bhoy Des Clarke couldnae get a word in.....Listening to Bertie is sheer entertainment.....talk about gallus?! Plus I love how he always refers to my namesake as "Charles Patrick".

I am very friendly with a few Man Utd supporters and recently attended a wedding with them down there.

I asked them the chances of getting a ticket , and sitting with them. Their opinion was definately not worth it.

They quoted several incidents inside and outside the ground the last time. With the atmosphere turning ugly as soon as Celtic went ahead.

as Kojo says ..... they like us , but not enough to sit and take a beating.

jinkysboy...

Nacho Ned's shirt would have Barry Feaguson on it...

Gus.

jinkysboy...

Nacho Ned's shirt would have Barry Ferguson on it...

Gus.

Gus

Kenny Missers would have a chameleon on it or be reversible

Darchevile would have Eddie Murphy on his.....

Allan McSh*gger's would be updated daily dependant on who appeaed on Page 3 that particular day...

:o)

Andy Goram's shirt would have Andy Goram and Andy Goram

Henriks Sombrero

Or from Curlys joke this mornings that could be David Weir or barry Fearguson again

Is Debt Spectre any relation to wee Phil ? ;-)

Derek Riordan would have WGS on his

Bobo Balde would have MON on his

Boltonbhoy - That'd be me. No problem mate, thanks for the reply, will just have to suffer the Dinner Dance and the free bar in that case!

Oh well, life's abitch eh!

Hail Hail
Gogo

PS Thanks to everyone who replied last night and today!

I wish I could splell propperly.

Posts strewn with errors.

Anyway...Bougherra's shirt would have Ugly Betty on it.

Stuart, figures can indeed be massaged, but bank debt remains one of the most likely causes of financial failure and it can take only a few reckless years – or one bad judgement – to get there.

Jinkysboy, thanks for that info.

Davie Dodds would have John Merrick

David Healy would have a flute

Gascoigne would have a champagne flute

That Plymouth goalie would have lots of arrrows

Frank McAvennie would have all Page 3 girls for the past 25 years

We could just have the Celtic FC shirt with the European Cup on it

Suppose TFOD could have the disnae exist anymore 2nd prize cup on theirs

SDM could have a picture of the Russian mafia on his,

while Boyd could have a picture of Sally on his...

Cadizzy...

Davie Dodds shout - hilarious...!

Gus.

Gus,A question for you.

Are you the same Gus that went for a meal with Gordon J and myself about a month ago,if so,nice to have met you.

Gus

Boyd only needs his for the last ten minutes of each game

The Jambos could have a picture of their bank accounts - blank

I thought SDM would have a picture of Mervyn King (Governor of the Bank of England)

A guy at work is a United season ticket holder and at the last United v Celtic CL game he said he was sat next to a 2 Irish lads one supporting Utd and one supporting Celtic. He said when Celtic scored the lad got some (nasty) stick, but most people stuck up for him. It may have been slightly different if we hadn't lost.

On a seperate note does anyone know how I can contact Blackpool Shamrock CSC the contacts link on their website doesn't work!

caddizzy

Im sure I saw John merrick with a davie dodds shirt on

Living down here in England, I can tell you that amongst the fans down here, there is still an overwhelming view that they have the best league in the world, and that the money is stored in a bottomless pit. There are some who have a realistic, pragmatic approach, but many still seem to think that this will all just blow over

Most recently Man City fans seem to think that with their new oil rich owners, they will simply steam roller their way to EPL glory by the end of next season, and the Champions league the year after that....World domination is just an oil well away!!

But they are completely ignoring the real facts. As a whole, the EPL has blown it's budgets left, right, and centre. Spurs for example, who are languishing at the bottom of the league, had a team out the other night worth £80 million, with another £50 million sat on the bench. I can only think that £130 million would just about buy every player in the SPL. And is the SPL being short changed as a poor relation? I don't think so. In the EPL there is currently only around 170 English players. That's just 8,5 English players per club. If the money does dry up, and it looks like club sponsors will be tightening their belts, then just what will happen to 'the best league in the world'? The financial guys at clubs like Chelsea, West Ham, and Man Utd, must crying in their shares options

In Scotland, Rangers, and particularly Mr Murray, must be dreading what is happening right now in the financial world. For Celtic, yes we are not good enough in the Champions league. We all wish we could have just one, or two more real quality players in the team than we currently do. But if you take the long term view, perhaps holding onto the purse strings as the board has done, might just prove to have been a smart move. I don't know that they planned it that way, but at least Celtic aren't having to look over their shoulders for creditors all the time.

Hail Hail

Okay deliberate mistake, Chelsea, and Mun Utd don't actually have share holders, but you know what I mean

A quick summary of the AGM on the sooside. What's with the staff safety? Has any of their staff bee assaulted recently???

Rangers AGM News PDF Print E-mail
Written by Administrator
As discussed in yesterday's article, today was the annual general meeting of the club's shareholders at Ibrox Stadium. The main topics of debate are listed below.

JJB Retail Partership

SDM admitted JJB were not contributing to their part of the deal well enough but if they went bust the rights would return to the club immediately. Chairman also confirmed bonus financial targets were not reached but blamed JJB for their poor performance as opposed to club.

Media Negativity

While Martin Bain agreed that there did appear to be a lack of objectivity within parts of the media, SDM also blamed web-culture for embarrassing the bulk of supporters and urged everyone to be vigilant in that regard.

Staff Safety

G4S Security are currently protecting Nacho Novo's residence while patrolling other employee localities.

Ticketing Arrangements

Continual problems with Ticket Office operations were blamed on unprecedented demand due to UEFA Cup run last season. Complete review of match ticket distribution also promised by Martin Bain.

Stadium Development

Delayed development proposal will be rubber stamped by GCC tomorrow (see other article). No stadium capacity increase at this time due to economic downturn. Shouts of derision were heard as top-table attempted to end Q&A early to discuss topic.

Player sales

SDM could not guarantee players would not be sold in future to help address long term debt increase. Cuellar and Cousin were both sold because they wanted to invoke clauses in their contracts. Chairman reaffirmed his commitment to the club saying he acted in its best interests at all times.

Hilarious stuff, keeping me off my work in fact...

oldtim67 - Yes it's me, the feeling's mutual - how are you keeping? That Chinese was superb.

Gus.

Re-arranged Rearrangers

George Peat = Reggae Poet
Gordon Smith = Nimrod Goths
Kris Boyd = dirk yobs
David Weir = wierd diva
Alan MacGregor = armagnac ogler
Barry Ferguson = sourberry fang
Walter Smith = wilt hamster
Ally McCoist = costly claim
Christian Dailly = instil chairlady
Ignatius Novo = nougat vision
Kyle Lafferty = let fly fakery
Kirk Broadfoot = fatbird or kook
Charlie Adams = clams airhead

Onceabhoy :- I don't think any of the staff have been assaulted recently but one has had property damaged and another his address published with implied threats.

Let's hear it for Wikipedia.

"The team plays aw thair hame gemmes at Celtic Pairk (whiles kent as Paradise or Parkheid), an it's the maist muckle fitba grund in Scotland."

http://sco.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celtic_F.C.

I’d definitely watch myself sitting in the Manc end. I sat there in the new corner bits during Roy Keanes testimonial and while standing up to sing YNWA, as the only celt in that section, I got a fair few verbal’s (amongst other things) thrown my way. Not that I was bothered though I presumed it was the Liverpool connection.

By the end of the song I couldn’t move for prawn sandwiches

CelticFirst :- I think there is a spelling mistake in your post, in the word before grund shouldn't the "l" be an "i" ;-)

Edward

My car was vandalised in our works car park and I got some death threats on my mobile phone

Went to the work about it and they gave it "park at your own risk" and see the cops about the threats.

Went to cops - said see your work about threats.

I need to get a job at Ibrox - nah on second thoughts I will live with the threats and property damage

BhoyinEngland (from another bhoy in England)

I don't disagree with you. It will be interesting to see what happens when the current TV deals for the EPL come up for renewal. Even if they do replicate the skipload of money deal they currently hsve (and we ain't talking Zimbabwean dollars), some of them are so far in debt, that the TV money would not save them.

The one that interests me (and quite excites me) is the case of Chelsea. The club owes between 700m and 800m owed to the owner who is not charging then interest, as I gather. However, the deal is that, if he wants out (and therefore wants his money back) they have a year to find it and pay him back. They will take several years to bring in that kind of revenue, never mind profit.

Luke Chadwick would possibly have Davie Dodds on his shirt...though I wouldn't put my shirt on it

Gus.

I'm fine.
Maybe we'll meet again,I like chinese food so maybe we could do it again.
Are you going to the fives before the Hibs game,there's a bar in the Centre where the fives are taking place,so rather than BBs that day we could all gather at the Centre.

EdwardUrsus - not to mentioned that rock band who threatened to tell the world where Rangers players live. I salute your indefatigability in the face of Mogwai.

Edward, I thought the address published for Wee Nacho was something like 1690, Orange Street, Glasgow?

Not very funny, but what I believe passes in some quarters as 'banter'.

If there are security people patrolling his 'residence', does that mean:

a. That someone else published his real address (which I've not heard about, but would agree that it's very poor form and potentially dangerous)? or

b. That the guy really does live at 1690 Orange Street?

Jinkysbhoy :- I'm sorry to hear that and hope it has stopped but in the same position I'd make a complaint about the police handling of it. Someone threatening to kill you is a crime and the police should investigate it.

CelticFirst :- You said "That the guy really does live at 1690 Orange Street?" That is one of the silliest statements I've read on here, I thought everyone was aware it 12 July Parade he lived in :-)

First time poster long time...etc. Great site Paul, very addictive.
I’m looking for some advice from
anyone in the East Midlands on where
to watch the Man U game on the 21st.
As I’m going to be there for a few
days I thought I would seek some advice
before I booked a hotel.

I stayed for a couple of nights in
Leaminton Spa a few years ago
and thought it was a nice place and
I see on Celtic Bars website there
is an Irish Centre there.
Any advice much appreciated.

Glad to hear it oldtim67.

Not sure if I'll be at the 5s, I'm hoping to take myself off on holiday within the next couple of weeks, but if I'm here then I'm there...if you know what I mean.

I'll be in touch before the big day.

Edward

I did point that out to Mr Plod - to be fair to them - off the record they had a word in the guys ear and it stopped.

Point I was making is that it all depends on who / what you are how these matters are treated. BTW I mean as an ordinary Joe I dont get much but if I stayed in a mansion or was well known celeb it night be different. My reference to working in Ibrox was meant as a joke.

Does anyone know if Neil Lennon or WGS houses are patrolled by Celtics security services - cos judging by their performance at CP I wouldnt want to rely on them protecting me.

There was a fitba manager called Strachan
Whose money fur transfers wiz lackin
His bank it wiz Swiss
So he went oan the piss
n came back wi yon guy, Hakin Yakin

weeminger,

I'd disagree that they bet us through financial mismanagement, they beat us playing football on a football pitch, with 11 players (including Kaka et al).

I think EUFA attempting to legislate on Club debt is like the EU legislating that you must play 4-4-2. It's not in their remit.

There was a fitba manager named Watty
Who enjoyed oatcakes alang wi his pate
His fans they did riot
so hi went oan a diet
An noo it's wee Ally who's Fatty

Let us assume that there are five houses of different colors next to each other on the same road. In each house lives a man of a different nationality. Every man has his favorite drink, his favorite brand of cigarettes, and keeps pets of a particular kind.

1. The Englishman lives in the red house.
2. The Swede keeps dogs.
3. The Dane drinks tea.
4. The green house is just to the left of the white one.
5. The owner of the green house drinks coffee.
6. The Pall Mall smoker keeps birds.
7. The owner of the yellow house smokes Dunhills.
8. The man in the center house drinks milk.
9. The Norwegian lives in the first house.
10. The Blend smoker has a neighbor who keeps cats.
11. The man who smokes Blue Masters drinks bier.
12. The man who keeps horses lives next to the Dunhill smoker.
13. The German smokes Prince.
14. The Norwegian lives next to the blue house.
15. The Blend smoker has a neighbor who drinks water.

The question to be answered is: Who keeps fish?

There was a manager named Calderwood
who always goat beat wi Sellik

Jamsie

I spent some time near Leamington Spa (Ashbourne Hill) in 2006 and we went to an Irish bar that showed the Celtic and Ireland games when we were there.

I think it was Murphys in Regent St.

Your not far from Coventry either there and think theres a few Irish bars there too but Leamingtons a good place to go and not Man Utd allegiance there

Welcome Jamsie ,

no real advice on where to watch it in E. Midlands but I'm suggesting a new game and that is

' First one to welcome new posters !!'

Hey , look at that . I'm first !!!

Championees , championees , ole , ole , ole

Sannabhoy (itmustbehometimesoon csc)

Edward, seriously, if people only published a joke address for Nacho Novo, why are Rangers paying security people to guard his house?

there once was a tosser called Peat
who made airdrieonians greet
though he fretted and fussed
he still left them bust
and was rewarded with a very senior position in the ruling body in Scottish football.

(The last line doesn't rhyme or scan but more importantly, it makes absolutely no sense!)

Mmm ,

did jinkysbhoy get the first since he replied to Jamsie or do I get it since it's ma suggestion and technically , I said Welcome first.

Sannabhoy (itsmabaw csc)

Narrowboat Tim

Darnel anagrams from yesteryear

Nobs tits etc
Sir Wankely
EN Gruesome Ass
1 pt each

Sannabhoy

I protest - I may not have actually used the word Welcome but I did reply to his post first and offered some pretty good info in answer to his query.

Ergo I claim a 1st place on your new game and reckon you only get a podium

Sounds like an interesting AGM.

JJB didn't meet any targets that triggered bonuses. They must have been set very high, because when would they ever sell as many strips again?

Movement on the Ibrox development? Well, not really, but enough to claim progress.

And of course players will be sold. How else will they get the debt down?

Apparently Murray also made some remark about a minority of fans on a few websites letting the club down. Not the thousands singing racist songs every week then?

I think Peter Petrelli from "Heroes" looks like Zico, my wife doesn't see the similarity, but I don't think I've ever seen them in the same room at the same time:
Zico
Petrelli

Apart from the obvious John Merrick - Davie Dodds have there been any other look-a-likes?

Stuart,

They write their own remit so how can you say that?

If they decided tomorrow that all players have to play with their shirts tucked in - guess what ?

Do you not think that it is their remit to allow or at least attempt to provide a level playing field for all?

They (UEFA) have a remit to expand the game from grass root level to the upper echelons of International professional football. If they see billions of dollars leaving a country like Saudi Arabia they see it as their remit to try and channel those funds instead into building Saudi Arabian football.

I have no sympathy for them at all dont get me wrong but its not just as simple as one side being good and the other being bad. There is a conflict of interest between the billionaire owners and UEFA and that´s the bottom line.

The name of the game is power
and if you is not playing power
then you is in the wrong place

There was a manager named Swalex
Who used to self-abuse his larynx
Wi his drinkin n swearin
N rantin n rarin
Nae wunner hi sounds like the daleks

Sassafrassarassin ((c) Dastardly and Muttley) ,

I feel like Migel Mansell now . Can't even win at my own games.

Ah well , magnanimous in defeat as ever - well done Jinkysboy (see it's only taken me 3 posts to get your name right ).

Sannabhoy (illbeback csc)

Graeme Souness and Yosser Hughes (well, Yosser thinks so)

Ian Snodin and Glyn Snodin

Andy Goram and Andy Goram

Jinkysbhoy/Sannabhoy, one post and I've started an argument already, now that must be a first.

I say to the Rangers Directors, let the people sing! Shouldn't be too long now, the noose is tightening and the trap door will swing. Freedom of expression is a wonderful thing, crack on boys.

How foolish does Murray believe people are?

A retail complex in Govan. To be paid for by his already debt laden organisation. Presumably, borrowing the cash from the bank? It's just embaressing.

He should be ashamed to even continue with the pretence.... and any paper or news organisation that prints his plans should be just as ashamed unless they show extreme cynicism.

B

Raveheart35...

5 minutes after that second picture was taken, Mr Hartley's face was once again consumed by the incessant bush.

Gus.

How about Pele and thon black player in "Escape to Victory"?

Lurcy

Jinkysbhoy :- Thats a fair point to make, sadly it does seem to be that where you live and who you are makes a big difference to how you are treated by police. I did get the joke about Ibrox though :-)

ANNAOAN :- The answer is easy, all the folk with no taste that bought his records :-)

CelticFirst :- I honestly don't know how much of an address was published, I would imagine though that it must have made the house easy to find or they wouldn't have arranged the present security. Between that and the recent disclosure of Mr Strachans phone number some folk want to take a good look at themselves and get a life. Because someone plays for or is employed by a rival team doesn't give any moronic thug (and I include the idiots who put Mr Strachans number online in this)the right to threaten, harrass or assault them.

There was a fine coach, Arsene Wenger
Whose trophy-chances were looking quite slender
Whilst the men's team aye lose
The wummin's team cruise
So he's thinking ay chingin his gender !!

Ooh La La

Ah'm away tae the Teser, to your great relief

WishyGooner

Bromleybhoy - Our news organisations in this little country do not know the meaning of the word shame. Expect a full fawning article in tomorrows papers.

I've been peddling the Paul Hartley = Peter Petrelli line for a while now, to little reponse, am glad to see it's not just me.

Other lookeylikey: Andy Hinkel and that dude from Coldplay.

Re: Novo's address, his actual streetname was posted but not his house number. But go to his street and his house would be dead easy to spot now with Hale & Pace type bouncers standing at the gates. The "1690 Orange Walk, Hunsville" thing came about from someone trying to explain it without giving out the actual address when doing so. Surely if you wanted to find out where he lived, you could just follow him home from his work one day?

One thing I did mention at the time of this incident was that it was nicely timed to level things up with Neil Lennon being assaulted. Various media reports had Neil Lennon being assaulted in Ashton Lane, "minutes from his house", and explaining about the terrible things he's had to endure like some graffiti in his street, look, here is a picture. Of his street. Minutes from Ashton Lane. Quick stroll off Byres Road, and you're there. How is that different from publishing the name of the (quite long) street that Novo lives on?

Obesity and Poverty is Scotlands Shame. Hmmmm.

All of Scotlands ills being laid at the door of REARS. Hmmmm.

The man has lost the plot.

Sorry I don't have the linky thingy working and making you ghuys work.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/r/rangers/7661576.stm

sannabhoy

Sokay mate - we all have days like that. You can have the 1st if it makes you feel better. ( Ive had two 1sts this week alreadys)

jamsie - WELCOME

Raveheart - Me and Brad Pitt

winningemmell - who the heck is Swalex

Paul

I remember two years ago listening to Karl Heinz Rummenigge launch a scathing attack on Chelsea. It was around the time Michael Ballack was entering the end of his contract at Bayern. Basically he compared both clubs turnover to debt. He stated quite clearly that in any other business Chelsea would go to the wall and that "it is not an even playing surface" .

If clubs the size of Bayern are unable to compete, what chance the rest of us? He basically called for a t/o to wage cap to be put in place in Europe.

Jamsie ,

haud it , haud it !

You call this an argument ? Ah'll show you an argument you young whippersnapper ,ye . ;P

Sannabhoy

Obesity and drugs? You would never associate them with Rangers, would you?

KrisBoydCSC

oneantonrogan... I never realised Andreas was such a (good) singer - perhaps he's recording his new album and not, as we have been told, injured .

Moonbeams wet dream - how you doing mate? Did you get your box alright?

Gus.

Jamsie ,

argument is
Stadium Development

Delayed development proposal will be rubber stamped by GCC tomorrow (see other article). No stadium capacity increase at this time due to economic downturn. Shouts of derision were heard as top-table attempted to end Q&A early to discuss topic

.

Must have been fun ! Like a rattler and a mongoose going at it.

er, that was about the obesity, legal types. I wouldn't be casting aspersions at all on any illegal activity :-)

Swalex = Sir Fergus Alexandersson.

Moonbeams wet dream - there was a lot of poverty in the Third Reich but that didn't make the holocaust any less shameful...

Gus

Cheers for that - sat looking at the name for ages thinking "who the heck is that"

On a similar vein - I had Sky on yesterday and heard this guy with a Scottish accent say he was vewwy vewwy pwoud - turned around to look and it was George Burley. Is that him trying to be a young Swalex then

Glen Loovens = Ernie Els

oneantonrogan ,

go to the top of the class. It´s a PR initiative on the back of Lenny´s assault. Nothing new and not clever.

WishawTim

Scot Nisbet
Ray Wilkens
Graeme Souness

Jamsie

Welcome

Leamington Spa is West Midlands.

I use to go to the St Patrick club to watch the bhoys quite regular in Leamington up till over a year ago , they changed managers there and they started to show English games instead on a Sunday but I did hear from a pal a little while ago that it was getting better for showing the Bhoys. There will probably be a good crowd there for the Man U game but there will be quite a few Man U fans there, them and Villa are possibly the biggest supported teams in Leamington. There were about 14 of us that went from the club up to OT for the Roy Keane testimonial.

Where do you have to visit in the Midlands?

Kris Boyd - a fat renton from trainspotting

Peter Crouch - the lamp-post outside my house

Felipe Scholari - the old guy on the Dolmio adverts (looks and sounds like too)

Gary Neville - Phil neville (any relation....)

Sannabhoy

Yes I know all about the "real" CQN arguments, as I said
I've been reading since the beginning.

As for the ‘young whippersnapper’ more a curmudgeonly old fart.

jinkysboy ,

SAF didn´t start tanning the wine until later on in life ;-)

Felipe Scholari - the father from the Dolmio adverts

Kris Boyd - (A fat) Renton fae trainspotting

Peter Crouch - the Lamp-post outside my house

Sean Wright Phillips - Bradley Wright Phillips (any relation....)

Jan Koller - Nicholas Cage...anyone?

Must just be me then.

Jamsie ,

you mean like this ?

BhoyinEngland, well said.

Welcome Jamsie, good to hear from you.

Emusanorphan, agree, when Bayern are hurting the rest of us have no chance.

Paul67 ,

you got fourth place - not even a podium !

Pah , I'm going elsewhere . This site's rubbish .

Sannabhoy

I loved that movie - Im sure the PC brigade would frown on the racist jokes in it now.

Jinkysboy ,

I watched it with my 2 boys (ages 15 and 10) and they couldn't believe it .

Definitely non-PC but I think 'Springtime for Hitler' from The Producers might have topped even that !

Sannabhoy (Lepetomaine csc)

jinkysbhoy, ha, I always thought Big Phil Scolari was Gene Hackman in disguise, but you're spot on with the Dolmio Dad thing.

(I take it you've all seen the Greenock-ed up Dolmio ads? WARNING: turn the sound off in front of the weans/don't listen at work. It's a bit rude)

Jamsie,

<a href="http://www.theurlyouwanthere.com">What Appears In Your post Here</a>

Oh, and for lookalikes, Roberto Donadoni and Wayne Coyne from the Flaming Lips.

This is a summary averages of players based on Celtic Lover's ratintgs. It only applies to the 8 SPL matches so far. Substitutes are only included if they played more than half the match. Make of these figures what you will.

Artur Boruc 6.1
Andreas Hinkel 4.8
Mark Wilson 6
Lee Naylor 6
Stephen McManus 5.8
Glen Loovens 5.5
Marc Crossas 5.5
Gary Caldwell 7
Shaun Maloney 6

Shunsuke Nakamura 6.5
Scott Brown 6.6
Paul Hartley 7
Barry Robson 6.3
Aidan McGeady 6
Jan Vennegor of Hesselink 6
Scott McDonald 5.3
George Samaras 7.3

Alex Rae - Uncle Fester
Luiz Felipe Scolari - Gene Hackman (maybe there's a french connection somewhere)
Bazza Fergushun - Lee "Elbow" McCulloch
Dermot Desmond - Frank Windsor from Z Cars (one for the teenage posters)
Gary Pendry - looks like the guy from the newsagents down the street.
Gary Caldwell - Beckenbauer

Im a wee bit at a loose end so had a go at changing Middlesboroughs tribute to todays birthday boy (Mark Viduka) to suit our Japanese Warrior. See what you think

Nakamura Song Lyrics (to the tune of Halleluia)

I heard there was a secret ball
Strachan dreamed it would beat them all
But you don’t really play the long ball do ya
It goes like this the full pitch width
McGeadys cross and Skippys flick
The baffled keeper can’t stop Nakamura

Nakamura Nakamura Nakamura Nakamura

Defence was strong but you needed youth
McManus and Caldwell too
Just to stop Ronaldo running through ya
Well he tied Venegoor to the physio’s chair
With Giorgious Samaras hair
But from our team they can’t take Nakamura

Nakamura Nakamura Nakamura nakamura

Did my best it wasn’t much
Was praying for Maloneys touch
To find the golden boot of Nakamura
Then even though it all went wrong
Come Saturday the cardigan
Be shouting to Ferguson get Nakamura

Nakamura, Nakamura, Nakamura, Nakamura

My dear,dear,dear,dear,dear,friend.. Bromley Bhoy

You are correct,pal.

I do not believe for a minute, that any Bank,far less HBOS,would agree to lend a Pauper a Copper, in times of Financial Turmoil.

And not to put too fine a Point on my Point of View...The G.A. are only Two Transfers away from Economic Hades.

Especially, according to my studies in the matter... The Middle of Next Year, shall be the Height(Should that no be the Depth?..ed)( Yes and No!...remember... we are endeavourin to Attempt, at making an Attempt, of Attempting... to Predict the Future State, of the Economy)

Na.

The Grandiose Plans of the G.A. will/shall be Shelved.

And thus Spake Zarathustra( Whit? Who He?...ed)( Ah've done

tole ye afore... He runs a Shoe Shine Stand, in The
Mirage..

and He gies me awe the latest Skinny on the Woild Financial

Situation.. He was the former Financial Advisor, tae King

Farouk...that is, afore he fell into Hard Times)( King Farouk

sure did fa' intae Hard Times... He's Deid!)(Ah'm talkin aboot

..Zarathrusta!)( Ah know that King Farouk is deid! Anyway, it

wiz no THAT. KING FAROUK, ah am Talkin, aboot,anyway!...It wiz

the well known Cigar Company President! He wiz daeing very

well,until his Enterprise, went up in Smoke... during the Frenetic, Anti Smoking Campaign.)

Kojo.
yer pal... who likes ye.

TNT

Oops meant West Midlands. I’ve got meetings in Warwick, Rugby and Coventry over a couple of days, so Leamington Spa looked like a good base.

Sannabhoy

I was thinking more of Victor Meldrew, although I do try to steer clear of beans.

Anyhoo, does anybody know how to contact Blackpool Shamrock CSC? ..... anyone?.. anyone?.. Bueller?.. anyone?

Stephen McManus and the guy (Lee?) who won the Apprentice!

That's what I'm talking about!

jay crawford on real radio has justed gave that cameroon a rollicking live on air for not backing manures no1 Sctlands captain.

thismancraig - spot on. The guy who didn't win the Apprentice, Alex, would also appear to be Paddy McCourt.

My one and only financial investment tip.

Buy shares in companies that make safes, I hear that business is booming as fewer people trust banks.

Pink Panther CSC

Raveheart

I notice on Blackpool Shamrock CSC website they have a link to CQN - perhaps Paul 67 may have a contact there.

Also I notice that the secretary is a guy called STEVE BROGI - good chance you may get his number from `118

jinkysboy... I like it, I love the KD Lang version.

A special, if not consistent, player.

Naka to stay!

Gus.

Kojo,

In fairness to Glasgow city council... they have no choice but to go along with this farce. Murray has 'apparently' deep pockets and he's promising regeneration in a severely impoverished area. even though they are being 'played' for what appears to be good press for Murray they have merely agreed in principle that if the plan goes ahead of course they will ok it.

What I find shocking is the utter lack of scepticism in the press. Ok I come from an Accounting background but really... come on.. a basic interest in the financial press... and a little maths shows it to be absurd... let alone common sense. Three major out of town retail devs in Glasgow already... how many can we really need? Even more absurd 2 of them are within 2/3 miles of this proposed one. Come on.. for goodness sake. Let alone Govan...... who wants to park there car there to go to the shops??????

B

Bromley Bhoy / Kojo

Apart from the current "depression" and the ecomomics of such a venture - as BB says with Braehead and Silverburn within a few miles this would not be a moneyspinner. Also the general area is very run down and many derelict houses and flattened areas and even the local economy is extremely low and the shipyard there is always under threat (annually)

One other minir factor - we have all been to castle greyskull. Its gridlock round that way on a match day with motorway slip roads jammed up and some of the adjacent roads like Edmiston Drive are closed off for a 3 or 4 hour period.

Would you like to take your family in the car to an area like that and face not only the traffic chaos but the racist bigotted hordes who are well know for urinating anywhere they can.

Old Mrs jinks stays at the shipyards in Govan and I avoid visiting on matchdays as its just not a place you want to get caught up in.

I never realised what a HUGE support base the huns enjoy. I mean, after all, if the thousands who wrecked Manchester city centre and the thousands who regularly serenade us with the polite suggestion of a re-establishment of long lost cultural roots are a 'tiny minority'/ 1% of total - wow, colossal or what?!

I'm sure I heard the sound of the meedja swallowing a hook, line and sinker as well....

Sannabhoy, “fourth place”; lost me with that one.

Jinkysboy, no contact with the Blackpool Shamrock, unfortunately.

Jamsie

St Pat's Club is situated by the River Leam, nice setting. It can be a bit sedated at times but the guinness is good. I live in Warwick, I stop going there to watch the Celts because you never knew if they were going to show the game or not, if an Irish rugby team was playing they would show that instead, Hurling and Gaelic football takes precendent too but there should be a good crowd for the Man U game.

The other alternative is the Coventry CSC a lot more lively but it is situated in Coventry though.

BromleyBhoy,

Exactly correct. The Council hasn't committed itself to anything, simply agreed in principle to sell its land to RFC if the proposal comes off. I'm sure that both elected members and senior officers have a fair amount of scepticism about the project, but what else can they do?

Also note that the Council report makes no guarantees of planning permission for the development.

My dear,dear,dear,dear,dear,friends.. Bromley Bhoy and Jinksboy

I agree with both of your opinions.

What Zsa Zsa is proposing, is being done, to the Strains of the Ole Texas Two-Step, turned down low,of course, playing in the Back-Ground.

"Now, you see it.. Now ,ye Dinnae!

Ye'll nevah see.. whit Ah'm Weering..

Undahneath... Ma Peenie!"

Deflection, My Good Watson... Deflection!

Which, is Mr. Murray's Stock-in-Trade.

"Follow me Boys... I will take ye tae the Promised Land.

The Land o' Buxom Mulk-Maids and Longer Sticks on Toffee Apples!

Live, Horse... and ye shall eat Grass!"

Captivating Promises, Gentlemen..or to give it its Propah Name..

Bull Pucky!

Kojo.
yer pal.. who likes ye baith equally.

Cadizzy 3:29

Think you hit the nail on the head with your comment about the TV deal. One of the main players in subscriptions to SKY/Setanta is the pubs. However, currently there are 37 pubs a week closing around the country. Cheap booze from the supermarkets, and the smoking ban are all having an effect. The credit crunch is just hammering home the point. The number of pubs up for sale, or are to let, is just staggering.

As a result, and it has already been reported in the media, that there is a very noticable number of pubs not taking up the sports package from the TV channels. As a result football (specifically the EPL) will not be getting such a profitable deal the next time the contract comes up for renewal. In fact I would wager that the next deal is going to be a mere fraction of what it is now.

The day of the clubs whose main source of income is form the attending supporter, and who has kept the books in a reasonable state might be closer than we thought.

Hail Hail

Raveheart

Another look at the BSCSC site would indicate the club shares premises with the Blackpool Trades club and the link below takes you to their site which includes a phone number

Hope this helps

http://www.bfwtuc.uklinux.net/trades_and_social_club.php

Jinkysboy.... is what I should have typed.

Sorry, about that my friend.

"Ready,when you are, C.B.!"

Kojo.

Kojo

No problems mate - after your wee lesson on blog names being 2 sillie bills I have only my own self to blame.

Whats the blog equivalent of deed poll?

Are we really going to be playing in the City Refrigeration Holdings Cup ?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/scot_cups/7659053.stm

I have just heard Radio Clyde sport at 5.30pm report a ridiculous piece of news.

If true - because they have previous for giving untruths in their news bulletins only for the items to slip away and never be heard of again - it leaves me astounded of forehead yet again.

The report states that "after reviewing video" of the handball incident at Pittodrie where Charlie Mulgrew was sent off by Mike McCurry, the reverend ref is refusing to overturn his decision.

Exactly what is the point of reviewing a video showing an abomination of a decision if that decision is not going to be reversed. Surely suspending the lad, in addition to sending him off an giving the opposition a penalty, in light of the evidence available is wholly unjust and utterly unacceptable??

Then again, perhaps Radio Clyde are just dropping a half-truth into the mix at 5.30pm to get people to phone in at 6.00pm.

Mike McCurry is a rotten ref and excuse of an individual. I wonder if he asked himself "what would God do?" before confirming that his decsion should stand.

Or Radio Clyde area bit sneaky.

Or both.

Tobi

Im sure WH said he does not want his company name to be on the cup - he joked that the City Refrigeration Cup was too cold a name

Mintys comments from AGM reported below in extract from tonights ET


by Matthew Lindsay

RANGERS owner Sir David Murray will meet with First Minister Alex Salmond next week to defend the Ibrox club against allegations of sectarianism.

However, he has appealed to the club's own supporters to play their part in protecting the reputation of the Glasgow giants.

Murray came under fire from Gers shareholders unhappy at his defence of the club's public image at a no-holds barred AGM this morning.

But Sir David hit back at the allegations and urged Rangers fans to play their part in promoting the Uefa Cup finalists.

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He said: "I don't think we help ourselves at this club with our internal bickering.

"I believe our PR has improved since we brought in consultants, but sometimes we serve our head on a silver salver to the media. Many of our problems are self- inflicted.

"We have supporters who, on the day of the Uefa Cup Final, went on the internet and criticised the manager and his players.

"Some of the people who support this club need to have a look at themselves.

"We need all of our supporters going in the right direction. At the moment they give it to the media on a plate."

Sir David added: "I have gone on record in the past as saying Scotland's shame is not sectarianism, it is drugs and obesity. I have been vociferous on that.

"But we have people involved in this club who put bile on the internet every day and hide behind a nom de plume.

"All we do is play into the hands of the media. We have to police ourselves and not give the media ammunition.

"In the 20 years that I have been involved with this club there has been a vast, vast improvement in the behaviour of our supporters and everybody who has played a part in that should be applauded. But there is still work to be done.

"Having said that, all the ills of Scottish society should not be put at the feet of Rangers Football Club and I intend to take it up with the First Minister when I meet with him next week."

Meanwhile, SFA chief executive Gordon Smith admits finally ending a near 18-month search for a Scottish Cup sponsor would be a major boost to the governing body.

The SFA are in the final stages of talks with a potential investor over a reported £3million deal over three years.

Scotland's most prestigious domestic cup has been without a backer since brewers Tennent's ended their long association in order to support the national team.

Former Celtic director Willie Haughey, who owns a Glasgow-based refrigeration firm, has revealed he is in talks with the SFA over providing backing.

And Smith admits the funding would be a big relief after running last season's tournament without external finance.

"It is a problem and it would be a major boost to the finances," Smith said.

"We have been financing the cup ourselves last season and this season. But I think the main thing is it shows there is an interest in the Scottish Cup.

"It's a fantastic tournament, I have great memories of it myself, and I'm delighted if we get someone out there.

"It shows going forward that the cup is something which people can attach themselves to."

BTW

Willie Haughey was quoted in the paper today as being a Glasgow Fridge Magnate !!!!!!!!!!!

I'd go with Clyde being sneaky. Remember in January Keevins was trailing some important, nay, SHOCKING transfer news that would rock Celtic for the best part of an hour one morning. Report finally comes on at 8.30, "Scott Brown could have left Celtic by the end of the day", me goes apoplectic and nearly drive my car into the central reservation of the M8. He then followed this up with a whole ton of "I understand" "could not be contacted" "sources believe" "the player, his agent and the club have said nothing", i.e. slow news day so I'll wheel out some gash that I heard off a bloke in a taxi the other day.

Am i hearing right - that Dodgy Dave has went one better than the Super Casino & has promised the blood thirsty followers of Scotland's Shame his latest moonbeam of a Govan Carnaby Street

I wonder if the futuristic shops in this forward thinking Retail Wonderland will offer garments celebrating the death of a million people in Ireland?

Anyway 4 in a row Here we go & Bring back Terry Cassidy for a laugh

raveheart

I've got Steve Broggi's no. and Joe Martins (President) in my mobile which is in work (I'll never get up in the morning), I'll speak to my son and get back in a few minutes, theres a few Blackpool Shammy lurkers on here, I sold them Pablo's badges.

Vman

Gordon Smith says he has great memories of the Scottish Cup. He can't say the same about the English one

andsmithmustscoreCSC

As this international week drags on here is some sort of entertainment....

Dead Rats, Man-Management And Bertie Auld Wants Entertained.

.....well, some sort of entertainment. Widnae be up to Bertie's standard right enough. But then...he disnae think Aiden is entertainment.

My dear,dear,dear,dear,dear,dear, Friend.. Jinkysboy.

The Two Syllables Recommendo which I gave, and which should be Religiously Adhered to...for... ANY NAME.. is not my idea.

I simply was regurgitating, already well digested advice from a Past Master.

"Two Syllables are the Best..

Should One wish to Capture the Interest, and also to EMBED, ANY Name, in the PUBLIC MEMORY..Before choosing...make sure that ONE or TWO, at least.. of the Following LETTERS are used in the proposed NOMEN...

"K"..."J'... "O"..."X"...."G"....

This advice was given by the Famous ... Ivy L. Lee.

Obviously... "OXO", was listening.

In fact the wisdom shown in the Choosing of that Nomen , is reflected in the fact that that particular product... is very seldom Advertised.
Saved a Bundle in Advertising,through the years.

Woid of Mouth did the Trick...And the Unforgettability, of the Name.. did the rest.

Hey!...So...I digress!... I Admit that I indulge in the Odd Non Sequitur.. so read this at yer ain risk...it is Entirely, up tae the reader.

That is whit Ah ayewiz say.

Although, some people constantly insist, in complaining aboot ma Submissions, no matter!

One Cannot Please everyboady...

Datsa Fact!

Kojo.
yer pal... who likes ye a loatm

There was an auld boss called Walts
who had quite a number of faults
but no one would think
that he would go for a drink
with WG in the Vaults

Murray had a little Bain
he was full of fun and frolicks
he tried to jump a barbed-wire fence
but ripped off one of his boots

Yurcl

Required Kit for Huns Agm

Murray Murray statement blurry,
How does your sectarianism grow?
With media slinging and racist singing
And ugly bigots all in a row.

Mothergoose CSC

So if Minty is announcing the greatest ever announcement since the previous greatest ever announcement, tomorrow, does that make tomorrow the 12th of Never?

Cyrul

(Maybe Johnny Mathis, but never Donny *scream* Osmond .csc)

Emusanorphan on October 9, 2008 4:07 PM

Good point, I read similar from Bayerns general manager Oli Hoeness last month.

'The oil mafia are taking money out of my pocket and into the pocket of footballers, we cant compete'

Rings true, and its very concerning when its the top club in Germany, a club who spend a fortune on players themselves, Toni, Ribery, Klose, Lucio et al.

Curly

Im sure Minty has a saloon bar with the sign "Free beer tomorrow"

Kojo

Life is a learning curve (for me anyway) as the great alistair McCoys said yesterday - Im a sponge.

I for one appreciate your posts and although sometimes me head gets scratched a bit and dont always agree with your opinions I read them with interest and always enjoy the "feedback" you get from other posters - ya wee stirrer.

Not sure who said this but "you can please all of the people some of the time, and some of the people all of the time, but not all of the people all of the time"

Im still looking for the man who can please none of the people none of the time - or do the two negatives make a positive there.

Huns and Orcs went up to Manchester drinking the devil’s water
they wrecked the town for the screen broke down
So the police dog came chasing after.
Up got the Huns, and home did trot
to Aberdeen with a racist song recital
Huns were dead for the bhoys were ahead
with a goal from Jan Venegoor and the SPL Title.

BrothersGrimm CSC

Jinkysboy

Just got your E mail, How did your job interview??

Estadio Nacional, Emusanorphan

Please do not get the wrong impression of Bayern Münich. The only reason they cant compete with Chelsea et al is that they are not allowed too. Given the chance they would place themselves into us much debt tomorrow as Chelsea if it meant a chance at glory.

Roccobhoy

The job is being run through an agency so the interview was with them to decide on a shortlist to put forward to the company.

They seemed pretty positive and have put me forward for second interview. Dont know the name of the company or even its process / product yet but its based in Bishopbriggs.

How did the training with the boys last night - long day for you

My dear,dear,dear,dear,dear,dear,friend... Jinkysboy.

If you keep your Head,when all about you is in panic.. then, as the Poet says..
You are a Man, My son.

Howevevahhhhhhhhh..

Kojo says...

Mebbe,jist mebbe...in reality... ye ur jist no Fully Apprised o' the Situation!

There,pal.. that above statement fully explains... the different wey... that Ah ayeways aspire to look at things.

Example...

In avoidance of a physical Confrontation.. Kojo says this...

"Haud me Back! Haud me Back!

HE Might Damn well, KILL ME!"

Kojo.
yer pal... who is now departing, accompanied by his Ladee Luv... for Both to indulge.... in a Spot o' Tiffin.

Seeya Latah!

Just watched the top 50 CL goals ever on ITV4.

Only saw from about 30 down to 1, Naka's vs Man Utd (at Paradise) nowhere to be seen (surprise surprise) ... some crackers in there though.

Anyone know if it even made the top 50?

Gus.

Very long day mate!

It went very very well, to be fair the kids trained well.

There was a good tempo to the session and I,m glad to report the kids were buzzing last night, most probably as a result of 6 of them getting into the international squad.

Big game saturday 1st v 2nd, it will be close but i,m confident we will do it, need to the first goal though.

From what you said in your E mail, I may see you in Manchester??

Roccbhoy

Im certain the 6 will be buzzing and the rest will be trying their best to be as good as their team mates. you might even need to hold them all back a bit and temper their exuberance.

You have built them up now mate - we are all expecting big things from them.

Manchester - still mulling it over. Havent got a ticket but have many friends there and could possibly get one for the away end and somewhere to stay is not a problem. If Im going down I will let you know and we can meet up.

Awe_Naw_No_Annoni_Oan_Anaw_Noo

Fortgot about that, I was thinking of German prudence.

Ban all clubs in serious debt from European tournaments.

Paul Lambert appointed Colchester manager, Im liking the way he is learning his new trade.

Jinkysboy

Definitely let me know mate, we will have a beer or ten if you can make it down.

I,m going off line now, will E Mail you over the next few days.

Take Care

Hail Hail

Roccobhoy

Jinksbhoy
M&S foods are the big thing opening in
Bishopbriggs
If that helps at all

There is definitely an anti British attitude that pervades UEFA. When the Spanish were offering ridiculous monies and Real Madrid were being gifted complexes by the town council. UEFA never made any complaints. When the Italians took over everyone (mainly due to cable TV) there was not a problem from UEFA. These were setup as the leagues that we all should inspire to be according to UEFA. The reason being that UEFA executives are just an extension of the Italian mafia.

Whats happening now is that the Italians and the Spanish along with the Germans and the French can no longer compete. They then whinge and complain to UEFA and UEFA of course have sympathetic ears to their former paymasters. If the Glasers, Abramovich´s, Lerners etc were lining UEFA´s pockets like was done previously there would not be so much of a hulabaloo if any at all surrounding the debt issue.

Uefa are worried about a breakaway competition. How much does UEFA make from the CL every year. Imagine that cash cow been taken away from them. Its all about margins and being left behind. If a franchise was setup between major clubs throughout the world UEFA would effectively become a second tier organisation. International football(FIFA) as a product would be unsellable. A world cup without the worlds best players ?

For me it cant come quick enough. I would expect Celtic to run cap in hand to Nyon and say dont worry UEFA guys after all you done for us these last 50 years. After all your fairness and interest in our plight we will stand by you.

That would be a tragedy as Celtic on the truly global word stage is a massive player and a must see attraction and that´s before we kicked a ball. That when DD picks up Rangers for 1 pound amalgamates both clubs and we compete in a world league as Scotland Glasgow.

...I´m away for a drink :-)

Charlie Mulgrew's red card not overturned by McCurry.

SFA statement: "Having viewed the video evidence, the referee acknowledged that it clearly shows player Steven Fletcher was in an offside position when he struck the ball.

"However, given the circumstances (i.e. the offside decision having not been given), the referee had to conclude that the player was correctly sent off."

Isn't this crazy? Rather than acknowledge that the play should have stopped before the handball, McCurry says he got it right.

A wee summary on TFS

Murray critical of fans' 'bile'

Murray was addressing Rangers annual meeting in Glasgow
Rangers chairman Sir David Murray has called on supporters to help rid the club of a "small group" of fans who persist in spouting sectarian "bile".

Whilst he did not mention the song per se, this can be the only reason for him to say the above. (Its not about Machester its about spouting bile. In this case racist but I can understand Murray not wanting to be that clear and saying sectarian to keep the focus off TFS.)

This statement means the fight to portray TFS as "banter" is over, they lost and its now on to stage 2 i.e What to do about it.

Interestingly Peter Martin on Clyde1 had an interview with the responsible Chief Cop (did not catch his name or title). This was after Davie Provan's assertion that the police should arrest the guilty parties. The Chief Cop said in effect that there are many of them and their numbers are such that he would need an inordinate number of officers to be able to make the arrests (without endangering his officers being implicit in the statement).

Then you have the SPL response above to which the only answer can be what are YOU waiting for, more officials to make a ruling?

Then I thought I heard Gordon Smith say on Clyde1 when talking about the new drive against anti sectariansim in football

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/7661083.stm

(another bloody sham) that it would be "wrong to punish the clubs who have tried everything." Did anyone else hear him? I would not want to be inaccurate.

So we have the police who should act but cannot because of the numbers.
You have the SPL who can act but so far have chosen not to, although the acceptance of TFS as "bilious" (by inference) by SDM really removes the last obstacle BUT Gordon Smith at the SFA saying clubs should not be punished.

What IS going on here? Have the SFA and SPL different policies on this matter?

Whatever, the song is racist, the police have passed the parcel to Footballing Authorities because the numbers are too big to handle and the football authorities SFA and SPL are not only dithering they seem to be at odds with each other.

This would make a nice story for Jim Traynor to use against Gordon Smith if he had not tarred himself with a different excuse of the "banter" brush to excuse inaction.

If The Irish Gov press Salmond then a phone call from the SE to the SFA/SPL should be next, followed by a statement about the song being racist and Rangers supporters being warned that should TRS be heard in the same kind of numbers that make police action impractical, (ie the police do nothing and say why in a match report) Rangers will be deducted points or if song heard in small numbers that police will enforce the law.

That will either stop TRS or push it on to the UEFA agenda for preventative action but progress, although slow, is being made.

In the interest of even handedness SDM did try to reach out to decent Rangers supporters for help with this in his statement and one Rangers supporter phoned in and defended the police reluctance to wade in because the guys who sat at Ibrox and spat out the bile were "red faced with hatred" and not to be tackled by any individual. His girlfriend had stopped going for the same reason. Hopefully he was not a Timposter, but I have heard from true neutrals just how nasty some of these guys can be, so it sounds like the truth.

The SFA/SPL could actually help Murray out by making a statement on the lines I suggested and give the decent Rangers fans a good reason for consigning TRS to the same dustbin as TBBs.

For anybody with the time the EU commissioned a report on The Future of Professional Football in Europe. A Belgian called Ivo Belet produced it and his recommendations were incorporated into EU policy in A White Paper on Sport. I have the links if anyone wants them.

It covers a number of factors about the game and licencing is one of them. Licencing was introduced in Scotland in 2004 but the latest statements from Blatter and the financial reports highighting the depth of debt call for even stricter financial controls.

One suggestion I have often made on this subject is to disallow any "income" not raised by the football business directly (gate money) or indirectly (TV money, shirts sponsorship etc)from being used to finance players.

Another that I would want to see brought in over a period to give clubs the time to adjust, is that debt levels should not be allowed to go over X times a clubs ability to play over Y number of years.
I do not have any figures to hand to suggest what the norm would be but given that in the good old days of proper lending practice a mortgage was 2.5 times annual salary over 25 years I think a corresponding formula that reflects the wisdom of not borrowing more than one's ability to pay back that could apply in football would not be beyond the imagination of footballing accountants to come up with.

This would be backed by an EU law declaring non football earned income as equivalent of a subsidy to deter any attempt to form a super Super Daddy League by those European clubs with sugar daddies.
I doubt if there are enough super sugar daddies out there to finance a league big enough anyway. Maybe a couple of months ago, but not today.

This credit crisis is the perfect opportunity for football to get its house in order, for the only team likely to have a sniff of getting its football on the rates would be Raith Rovers, and only then until a change of Prime Minister.

Carpe diem!

Auldheid,

TFS became TRS there in your last post.

If this was analogous to a alcoholism then SDM has just admitted that he drinks too much. I still dont see admittance and they are still very much in denial about it. He is caught between a rock and a hard place of his own making I may add and until that is addressed he is in denial. Only then will they make progress.

Why has no journalist or even Rangers fan asked why the away support especially at Celtic park seem to be very much in the majority when it comes to spouting bile?

They are very much in denial. When Celtic are getting name checked on the statement that was release on the back of the famine song statement from SRTRC then you can be rest assured that the "banter" will be here for a very long time.

A leopard never changes it spotsCSC

mickybhoy

Cheers mate but it wont be M&S

Its not a new place and its a manufacturing site of some type

Agency said its a dirty environment and part of a big company with multi sites throughout the UK.

I once played in a Scottish under 18's juvenile trial in (I think) 1975 and Davie (The Elephant Man) Dodds played too.
He had the worst skid marked pants I have ever seen.

In fairness to him, he scored 4 that day.

benjybhoy,

Some things just shouldn't be shared. Ever.

Aw Naw

I certainly would not argue with your point about UEFA not doing the UK any favours, but I doubt that an unregulated franchise of sugar daddy teams would be to the benefit of anyone but those lucky enough to have a sugar daddy.

Even then, say Celtic were involved and got lottsa TV money, unless the other teams with richer sugar daddies agreed to limit their financial input it would be EPL 2 with only 4 teams (say) with a chance of winning.

Whilst escaping the SPL is something I would love to see, I think that right now it would be the height of foolishness to use the potential disbandment of one league built on massive debt (The EPL) to enter another one based on the same principle, simply because the opportunity presented itself.

I would much rather Celtic/anyone could compete on the same fair basis as everyone else as a PLC in a properly regulated Euro League than place them in the hands of any of the sugar daddies now preying on the game.

benjybhoy

how do you know?
did you have a wee sneaky look? ;0))

David Murray, speaking today:

'I don't believe that sectarianism is Scotlan's shame - for me that would be drugs and obesity'

Kris Boyd was not available for comment.

the derry match from tuesday night is starting on celtic tv

Deep Purple? Black Sabbath? Toes in the water. Excuse the pun.

First time you all know what. What a blast. Don't know what to say but hello all. This is the best Celtic site I lurk on. Don't know if that's a compliment Paul. Anyway. Hail Hail.

I heard the start of Snydes 6pm programme and Smith did say that he felt it would be wrong to punish the clubS as they have done their best to eradicate it and shouldnt be punished ( I wondered why he wasnt asked - are you saying the clubs should not be held accountable for their fans in their own ground or away when they buy the tickets through their club)

I must say I thought davie Provan was pretty strong on his views saying he felt that sectarianism was as bad as 20 years ago but in different ways. he quoted the Neil lennon incident but also the McGreegs car incident as if that was in the same ballpark. I do take his point though.

Provan made an excellent point about the police 20 years ago wading into bigger terracings to pull out troublemakers and why could they not do this now when they have CCTV to ID them first and then enter a seated area where the crowds are easier to control.

Regards Murrays points on Rankers fans helping rid the club of the offenders -

After the 1st game of season last year when TOFD played at ICT and clearly spouted Billy Boys on the radio - I called Real Radio and made a point about CCTV and was told it was difficult to ID individuals - I then stated that I thought that genuine fans should all take their mobile phones out and video the offenders and Rankers / Celtic / Strathclydes Finest should provide a number to send the videos to and charge the perps.

Cameron said this was not an option as it would put the video takers in danger as these guys could get nasty - I said well they will be on video getting nasty too as I would think if 20 people video them then there will be plenty of evidence. I also said that it was a helluva indictement that he was saying these guys who sing offensive songs are capable of a lot more - surely all the more reason to remove them from the equation. This was passed of as being too dangerous to attempt by Mr cameroon.

BTW they would not let me put my second point on air - I asked why anyone would think that these people could be allowed the previous saturday to march past my mothers house in Govan wearing Rankers shirts, some with Orange sashes on, banging drums playing flutes and singing these songs in the street with police walking beside them - then telling them the next week that they cant sing same songs at a football match. Not dealing with society's issues. I was told this would be too contentious an issue to debate on the radio. Nuff said

..on the Davie Dodds debate (when he was on Aberdeen's books).

Who else remembers the road sign as you drove northwards on the old A96 to Aberdeen (I think it was just as you left Stonehaven) which said:-

Keep Grampian Beautiful - Sell Davie Dodds!!

Paul Lambert's Black T-Shirt

Is that your first post

let me WELCOME you to the site

Sannabhoy - its your game mate and your no very good at it.

Auldheid,

No Sugar Daddies would be necessary. Football is presently unregulated. How did it get in this mess if it was already regulated? The owners of these clubs the sugar daddies are successful dynamic men that have the know how to run succesgul global organisation sand have the CV´s to prove it. Uefa has proven that it doesn´t. Trumped up lawyers like Blatter, David Taylor , Gaillard and former players like Platini will be left by the way side. They are unqualified and are way out of their depth for their positions and are unable to administrate the game and far more importantly they cost too much and are unaccountable. Unaccountability is going to be consigned to the history books after this week.

I think your assertion about the EPL being built on massive debt is a false one. The clubs within the EPL have been placed into massive debt because it is such a cash cow. American and Russian billionaires trying to get a piece of the pie. Check out the quotes of Sam Allardyce recently with regards Mike Ashley. Thaksin doubled his money in 12 months?? The EPL league itself is a money making monster. Ask Wigan, Stoke etc. Its not about to go bust neither are any of the top 4 EPL clubs - far from it.

The rest of SPL views us exactly as we view the top 4 in the EPL. It´s all about hierarchy. They can never win the SPL we can never win the CL. The frustrations that we have they have. The frustrations that we have with UEFA we also have with the SPL.

As I said before having worked for an unaccountable European organisation before for some time I´d rather we were in bed with proven astute businessmen than with an exclusive club that does not deal in reality and who´s main interest is in self preservation.

If the question were ever to arise it would be DD that was answering it anyway. Sadly not us

Hail Hail

Aw Naw

It seems on reading another report "bile" was used with reference to spoutings on the Internet. Quite what that has to do with what goes on in public and how that affects Rangers image in the public eye I am at a loss to explain.

My interpretaion was based on the report I quoted.

What he said is probably as near as he will get to admitting the problem in public. "Aye we have fans spouting bile but only on the internet." I doubt most folk with any awareness of TFS read it like that. The BBC Headline however leaves it all open to interpretation.

(TFS is known as TRS The Racist Song in some places.

Regardless the song IS racist and the police are saying there are too many singing it to act. The SPL are dithering, the SFA appear to be at odds with the SPL rules, the law continues to be broken and The Irish Government are asking the Scottish Government what has happened since they lodged the complaint. Somethings going to give.

Gordon_J

would we expect anything else from McCurry

Small consolation is that the man and the organisation are a waste of space with all teams - and Im sure the Rankers fans would agree.

Edward - I would be interested in your views on McCurry in general and this incident with Mulgrew

.

Paul Hartley (unshaven) Charlie Manson (unshaven)

o1bhoy

Article from later editions of ET

RANGERS goalie Allan McGregor is receiving round-the-clock protection from Rock Steady security guards after his cars were vandalised at his home.

Rangers chief executive Martin Bain confirmed the Glasgow club put the precautionary measure in place at their Ibrox AGM this morning.

The move follows an attack on both the Scotland internationalist's Bentley and his fiancee Leah Shevlin's Range Rover outside their Glasgow home at the weekend.

Both vehicles had graffiti scratched into the paintwork and
Article in later editions of ET

Rangers security chief Kenny Scott has since met with local police to discuss the sickening incident.

RANGERS goalie Allan McGregor is receiving round-the-clock protection from Rock Steady security guards after his cars were vandalised at his home.

Mr Bain commented: "It is disgusting. There is no room for it at this football club.

"The specific player involved has now got Rock Steady looking out for his best interests.

"When the players are away from home, taking part in games, patrols already go around looking out for their families and properties."

Aw Naw

I have the same faith in astute business men as I have in astute bankers. ANY organisation if unpoliced and unregulated looks after Number 1 to the detriment of everyone else.

UEFA at least have a remit to govern football and consider all participants. They might not do it well, I'd be the first to agree on that but UEFA have not placed the EPL in £3m debt.

Read this from The Independent

But Professor Tom Cannon, a football finance expert from the University of Liverpool, has warned that the bubble will soon burst unless drastic action is taken.

"I don't think there's an immediate crisis. There is a deep and profoundly worrying issue across the board," he told PA Sport.

"Lord Triesman is right to point out the level of debt which, if anything, I think he's under-estimated - it wouldn't surprise me if it was more like £3.5billion.

"Mr Scudamore's comments were bordering on the complacent because the total market value of the Premiership is probably around that amount of money - so they owe as much as they're worth.

"The likely interest charges are probably at least £70-120m a year, possibly up to £150m, and that exceeds the profitability of the English Premiership.

"They owe more than they're worth and the interest payments alone exceed their profits - that position is just not sustainable."

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/news-and-comment/crunch-time-for-english-clubs-955165.html

for whole article.

The EPL would appear to be lest robust than you claim, but time as usual will tell.

Jinksbhoy @8.27

The easy answer is cctv.

The police know that it would be easy to have a team of them at potentially sensitive games and video the relevant sections of the crowd from where the offending dities are emanating ( big arrows pointing to Scotland's Shame might help).

They don't need to arrest the guilty then and there, but, having identified them, even if it takes a little time (they managed it for the guys who'allegedly' assaulted Neil Lennon).

Court or football banning orders could follow toute de suite.

Elementary, my dear Watson.

P.F. Ayr and others like us will know how widespread the use of this type of detection and proesecution has become.

The argument that there are just too many of them is an affront to the administration of justice, and I hope Kenny McCaskill condemns it promptly.

I'm coming to the view that naming and shaming them is the only thing that's going to put a stop to this.

Gus - yup sure am. Hope you and the old man are enjoying yours.

Ghuys, having been part of this dear green community for almost 1 year now, I have had the privilege of reading some superb wordsmithery. Now what I am wondering is this. Is there a wordsmith out there who also holds the ability to articulate under the pressure of open live debate. If so would that bhoy/ghirl be willing to challenge someone from REARS to a open live debate on sectarianism and racism in sport and offer it to one of the sports programmes on one of the radio stations. How's about a challenge to REAL radio's favourite Son of William, the right dishonourable Mr David Edgar’s. Surely REAL radio would love to give this sub-human such a platform. Come on ghuys stand up and show them up. Paul67 might even be able to put the wheels in motion with REAL crap radio presenter Ewan Cameron (maybees aye maybees naw). Doubt Mr Sub-human David Edgar would have the filled scrotum to take any right minded hoopee up on this though.

01 Bhoy

SDM - Raymond Burr

Bloke 109, 8:14 :-)

Welcome Paul Lambert's Black T-Shirt, I’ll take it as a compliment, which are never refused.

Moonbeams

I nominate Terry O'Neill.

Blindlemonchitlin

Where theres a will - theres a way

Unfortunately - unless I am mistaken - the will is not there

That doesnt mean the campaign should cease though - in fact we should be looking for new avenues to take the complaints to.

There is an old irish saying about why we should never give up the fight but I wont post it

Moonbeams,

I nominate James Forrest

Celtic_First:

Seconded.

Only 1 outcome methinks!

meanwhile over on the gers forum, Andy Cap, says "lets build a bigger hoose"

1. We need new/bigger stadium.
Guest User,
ibrox is too small, it has been since celtic starting getting 60000 every second week, they make millions more than us JUST from gate receipts every year, thats a handy cap right away, then theres no european football, another handy cap, we are a fair bit behind, in a business sense.We need a 70000 ALL SEATER STADIUM, with ALL features of the best stadia in the world, we want to be proud to have the best stadium in britain and biggest in scotland, the 3 stands facing Struth Stand are dated and too small. Come on SDM we spent over 10m on players in this "economic crisis" lets give the fans and club the best home possible. Rab
Posted 2008-10-09 12:37:34

Paul 67

to answer your query to sannabhoy earlier when he awarded you 4th place

this was a refernce to his post at 3.49

as such you got a second on Paul lamberts black t-shirt

does anyone think Rabs Handy Cap is his own Queens inglish,

Celtic First/st stivs fp

good choices.

They could even put it live on there Setanta show on a Wednesday.

Debt spectre looms ominously over football

The shadow is darkening as the Dow crashes 678 points, 7.33% to a five year low. Crashes is the only word for it.

Analysts are blaming Murray's over valuation of Ibrox stadium and brand stores which encouraged Fannie and Freddie to bundle property based derivatives to unsuspecting banks and retail operations.
Coupled with the sale of questionable second rate footballing assets to clubs in the EPL, Rangers FC are singularly responsible for initiating a global meltdown in credit and commerce.

Neither Murray nor Bain were available for comment as they were in conference with their media relations staff explaining why Rangers' fans were unfairly singled out for indulging in a bit of banter and fun around Europe.
Expect front page headlines which ignore Wall Street and feature the menu from the bean feast in Govan.

'GG with a nose bleed

Moonbeams

Great idea - one problem - any discussion never mind debate will not be aired on any station.

However it would be a better man than me to "debate" with Edgar - a wise man once told me when you argue with a moron that makes you a moron too.

Fannie May ,
Freddie City
Methinks Murray
is a Walter Mitty

.

Sir Monty Moonbeams.... Tam Pepper....

o1bhoy

.

Dow Jones....Tom Jones....

o1bhoy

Johan Mjallby - Dolph Lungdren

Vinny Jones (Wimbledon & Leeds utd) - Vinny Jones (Actor)

Old Mrs Jinks - Hilda Ogden

So Murray the Mighty is 'condemning' his 'small' section of fans for their behaviour. How hypocritical of him. Both Graham Speirs and Roddy Forsyth have come out in print to tell us Murray , in private, makes plenty derogatory remarks himself about Celtic. You'd think , as an 'educated' man he'd be above that sort of thing , so it's just a few degrees (appropriate word , innit ?) between his dislike of us and theirs. Other point is that Graham and Roddy write for English dailies which are not going to bend the knee (rolled-up trouser leg, of course) to the Govan geezer

.

"A Moment in Time"....

We've Lost That Losing Feeling....

Dateline:2003....

Exciting times indeed. As we go to print the Celts are in the Quarter Finals of a European Competition for the first time in 23 years and still in the running for the Domestic treble. If not a cue for cracking open the champagne bottles then - at least for most of us - the times when midweeks were set aside for platting a new noose or designing an eye-catching banner on the theme of 'Sack The Board' seem a far distant memory.

Despite everything, though, there are others who think it's open season to criticise the team and by implication the manager. Perhaps it's a sign of how expectations have grown since MON arrived that a 5:4 aggregate victory over the team currently lying joint-second in the Bundesliga is greeted with criticism of the performance from sections of the media (as expected) and from, what we would hope, is a very small element among our supporters.

Bhoys, bhoys, bhoys, (and ghirls) cast your minds back a mere three years to when we were getting knocked out of the Scottish Cup by Inverness Caley Thistle; we had a first team coach whose style of play was impenetrable to his own players but blatantly transparent to our opponents; we had a Director of Football who insisted on trawling the hacks around east end pubs for his press conferences; and we had a Chief Executive who was busily presiding over the signing of Rafael Scheidt - that'll be six million quid sir.

Please, Brothers and Sisters, let us give thanks for what we have and start to see the Guinness tumbler as half full rather than half empty!

This season we have defeated teams from three of the strongest leagues in Europe to get to the UEFA quarter finals. This isn't the late 60s and early 70s when we got to two European Cup Finals and another two semi finals in eight years and when these things could be taken for granted. This is 2003, and the last time we got this far in Europe a tanner was still legal tender and Shaun Maloney hadn't even been born!

Martin O'Neill has put the club back on the European football map. We may not be a major part of that map yet but at least we are once again visible. We may win four trophies this season; then again we may win none. However, one thing we can all surely agree on is that, despite being stuck in the mire that is Scottish Football, we are progressing.

Under MON that progress looks sure to continue. He, as much as any of us, knows that the team is still not as good as it should be. But if what he has achieved in his short time at Celtic Park is anything to judge him by then we have to trust in his ability to do whatever he realistically can to accelerate that improvement.

There were probably some fans walking away from the 1957 League Cup Final victory over Rangers complaining that it should have been 8:1 instead of seven, and no doubt when Celtic win the UEFA Cup final in Seville at the end of May (poetic licence, just stay with it...) there will be journalists and supporters who find something in our performance to criticise.

Us? We'll be too busy celebrating the victory to worry overmuch about how stylishly it was achieved. We've been spectators at too many of Celtic's glorious failures to concern ourselves with how European, and domestic, success is achieved. 'Show me a good loser and I'll show you a loser,' is an aphorism often attributed to Vince Lombardi the American football coach. If Vince had been a Celtic fan (and there's little doubt that he would have been!) squirming through the last fifteen minutes of the Stuttgart return leg he would agree that in (Cup) football it's the winning not the taking part that counts.

Our experiences in Europe over the last 23 years have grown us accustomed to losing ... but this winning habit is beginning to grow on us.

(NTV)

o1bhoy

My dear,dear,dear,dear,dear,dear,friend... Jinkysboy

As you have remarked,my friend..

Mr.Moonbeams suggestion seems a good one,

Howevvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvah...

I myself would nevah evah be so naive as to enter into such a discussion..

I follow the wise advice that ma MaMa done tole me, when Ah was in Kneepants...

"Son, never argue over Religion or Politics... for there lies a CIRCULAR ARGUMENT,"

And in the Narrowest Interpretation of this Trouble that has visited us...

It really all boils down to...

Politics and Religion.

And , being a good obedient son...

I ayeways dae whit MaMa says.

So therefore...

To this day, I still maintain that attitude..

I have no Political Affiliations..

To me.. ALL POLITICIANS ARE PHONIES...no matter Their Espoused Philosophy.

Also, anyboady who is anybody, will have noticed that I do not approve of any shade of CONFRONTATION, regarding the ongoing Stramash that has Upset the Celtic Following, concerning the Taunts and Outright insults that are being directed at them, whenever we meet out despicable foe.

I have steadily, voiced a strategy of Turning a Deaf ear and Tacitly Ignoring the Blighters..

I have given my reasons for this... which are Mainly..

OOR AIRMS ARE MUCH TOO SHORT TAE BOX WI'...

The Police, The Courts, The Newspapers, The Scottish Parliamentarians...

We are s Humble Minority.. so we should not waste our time in trying to Square the Circle.

Let it go.

Leave it to Heaven.

Not a bad Idea,really..

Things always settle down in the end.

Kojo.
yer pal... who likes ye a loat..and is now giein ye another opportunity, to gie yer heid a scratch!

Murray's been playing to this 'small section' of his fans for years (orange away strip,£1690 season tickets,eggs benedict off the menu,no green straws,no peperami promotion)

Now he's got a problem with them.

Its a blatent attempt to try and deflect from the famine song and the Manchester disgrace.

The man is an egotistical baffoon.

It is better to deserve honors and not have them than to have them and not to deserve them. M.Twain

not thinking of anybody in particular.

BASEBALL ALERT

For all you non US Sports fans out there be aware that tonight is the start of the MLB league Championship Series (semi finals in our lingo) and this will continue over the next week or so.

Tonights main event is the LA Dodgers versus the Phillies in Philadelphia and as the first ball is pitched around 12.20 CP time expect constant updates from the CQN US Sports Nightshift in the wee hours.

Jinkysbhoy :- I don't have a very high opinion of the job Mr McCurry does at all, this is probably the worst group of refs I've known in Scotland.
On Mr Mulgrew I think there is something sadly lacking in the system when no avenues are open to drop the card in cases like this.

o1bhoy on October 9, 2008 9:42 PM

This show that today's disaffection is not a product of boring success, but is a chronic malaise among the Celtic support.

'GG

Looking for a favour.... Any Jungle Bhoys post on here?

If there are can you contact me please through the wee spanner above my name. Its nothing you will get the jail for...honest its to help out a mate...who is also not getting the jail since ive went down that line.

Looks like BT broadband needs rebooted everynow and again for the wireless to work.

Now to find out how the mint played the media today at their agm.

does anyone know the name of the head bummer at show racism the red card scotland who is also a Re-arangers shareholder?

Jinkysboy,
I'm in Florida for a month and have got caught up in the excitement over the Tampa Bay Rays. Just got 2 tickets for their second match against Boston on Saturday night. My first ball game! I hate international weekends as they deprive us of a Celtic match. This will make up for it a little.

jinkysboy,

The game in Philly starts at 8:22pm EST, which is 1:22am over here.

jinkysboy

Too true.

My dear,dear,dear,dear,friend... Ziggy.

Thanks,pal...

Q.E.D.

Kojo.
yer pal, who luvs yer nomme de blogg.

.

The Firestarter's....

o1prodigyoapbhoy

I'm thinking of getting a scooter .................. is this as my khids tell me the uncoolest thing a 51-year old dhad can do?

I've got a big Merc in the drive that I cant take to work coz of traffic, parking charges etc. The train is grief and a scooter seems the best way for me.

Is their a Celts on Scooters fanclub?

Kojo

No scratcin of heid here mate

I get your drift on it and I have my reservations on the likely outcome of a square go with the establishment

I see your argument and I give you this - I wish with all my heart I had your outlook on this and other similar topics

However a leopard cant change its spots and I have a major problem turning deaf ears or walking away from a fight. Thats just the way I am - although I wish I was not like that.

Am I right - I dont claim to be right.

I have stated previously here that I felt difference to many issues when I was living in Wisconsin - the term I used was that when its not in your face its easier to deal with.

Also - I have no faith on this earth that anyone will step in and do the right thing. I do believe that we will meet our maker one day and let him decide.

Until then - I will get in trouble... such is life

Im a realist though - as said there will be no debate - that would only raise the issue and the authorities do not want to even accept there is an issue as it stands.

Changing the issue - enjoy the ball game tonight - I think your a Manny man if my memory serves.

.

Banjybhoy....

Teenage Fhanclub....

o1paulquinn

Moonbeams, provide a programme for Real Radio! Aye right.

Jinkysboy, thanks.

Whitedog, I may be forced to steal that.

I see the excitement for MLB on CQN is already starting to rise.

I posted this Tuesday it's the complete Championship Series Schedule.

By Blogger 'GG on October 7, 2008 7:59 PM
CQN is proud to bring you coverage of the 2008 MLB Championship Series.
Here is the schedule for the Championship Games. All times Eastern

National League Series begins Thursday
Game Matchup Day Date Time ET TV
Gm 1 LAD @ PHI Thu Oct. 9 8:22 PM FOX
Gm 2 LAD @ PHI Fri Oct. 10 4:35 PM FOX
Gm 3 PHI @ LAD Sun Oct. 12 8:22 PM FOX
Gm 4 PHI @ LAD Mon Oct. 13 8:22 PM FOX
Gm 5* PHI @ LAD Wed Oct. 15 8:22 PM FOX
Gm 6* LAD @ PHI Fri Oct. 17 8:22 PM FOX
Gm 7* LAD @ PHI Sat Oct. 18 8:22 PM FOX

As much as I love Philadephia as a city, my heart is with the Dodgers.

American League Series begins Friday
Game Matchup Day Date Time ET TV
Gm 1 BOS @ TB Fri Oct. 10 8:37 PM TBS
Gm 2 BOS @ TB Sat Oct. 11 8:07 PM TBS
Gm 3 TB @ BOS Mon Oct. 13 4:37 PM TBS
Gm 4 TB @ BOS Tue Oct. 14 8:07 PM TBS
Gm 5* TB @ BOS Thu Oct. 16 8:07 PM TBS
Gm 6* BOS @ TB Sat Oct. 18 4:37 PM TBS
Gm 7* BOS @ TB Sun Oct. 19 8:07 PM TBS

Tampa Bay for me for purely grudge reasons.

'GG wondering how my long suffering wife will react to next weekend's sunami of sports.

Gather round your screens and keyboards folks for a play by play commentary on CQN.

Paul I hope we don't crash any bandwidth limits.

PS KOJO I'm supporting Brooklyn.

Ravenheart from earlier. VMAN who posts on here is a member of the Blackpool CSC. Either look for him being on or contact me and I will pass it on.

how do to get a photo off your computer to display here as a link

the reason being very strange and about adolf hitler

Paul67

'In the real world, the right thing never happens in the right place and the right time. It is the job of journalists and historians to make it appear that it has. '

fill your boots:

http://www.phnet.fi/public/mamaa1/twain.htm

Gordon J

I stand corrected on the start time - good luck the night- Im thinking if you win the series then the Crew lost to the eventual winners (wee boys mentality)

Rubicon

lucky man - you will love it Im sure. I know where I would rather be. Hows the wind and rain down there - hope its eased up now

Edward

spot on my man. The refs are a joke - my Well, Hibbee and Dundee Utd pals say the same thing. And whats the point in a review if you will not back down even when its obvious. Would goal line technology be aby different if the refs tale that attitude.

benjybhoy

Naw mate

Ye just canny drive a scooter to work at 51 = I might have an old parka somewhere for you. seiously - get yourself a real bike man.

A couple of points on Minty's performance today

At no stage does he condemn TFS - yet again he only condemns those who get Rankers into trouble by singing it !
Just like before the BB was banned - he never condemned the words only that singing the words would get RFC in bother.

For all the talk of things getting better until the club and its owner come out unequivocally and state that such racist and bigotted beliefs are wrong and have no place at Ibrox they will continue to have this element attach themselves to the club
Minty should be forced into coming clean - does he really want rid of these people ?
Or is he keeping the "orange/loyalist card up his sleeve for a rainy day ?

On another issue any decent journalist would investigate the claims of poor Mr McGregor being harassed.
They might find that his alleged off the park antics have more to do with his recent trouble than any Celtic fans !

Our Man Aiden makes the Fifa Advanced Skills Video

Couple of books that might be of interest to the baseball fans out there :

Baseball has done it : Jackie Robinson beating the colour bar

Eight Men Out : Chicago Black Sox scandal about the fix of the World Series.

Both interesting stories in their own right but the insights into American society and attitudes of the time are worth the read also.

ggh

any antique dealers collectors historians about tonight

Jinkysboy,
We're down in Sarasota. 90degrees Hot and muggy.

Auldheid,

The difference between UEFA executives and Banking executives is that Baking executives are accountable. How accountable can be debated in the next few weeks. UEFA executives have always been afforded that luxury.

It´s important to realise the distinction between the transient clubs that make up the EPL each year and the EPL as an organisation in its own right. The clubs that have taken on large debts are global concerns that´s why they have been acquired. The SKY money will not be drying up for a long term and globally its expanding rapidly. I even read today that the Asia initiative is being revived. I have no doubts that this is a well timed salvo across the bows of UEFA. Uefa needs to learn to negotiate rather than dictate. Governments will get involved if UEFA is restricting trade and the EU will be the first to remind them.

Your comments echo the sentiment of those that disparaged the EPL in the first place when it was first spoken about 20 years ago. Technology and content will drive through a new revolution. Football is not a sport in this context it´s a business and all businesses need to expand under a capitalist system. Satellite TV drove the EPL to where it is now and the internet, multimedia, mobile and video technology along with gambling and betting amongst many other industries will drive it through globally.

UEFA has three prestige club competitions they all have already been compromised by UEFA and lost credibility. UEFA is fundamentally flawed. It was a good idea but it no longer can stand in the way. It will remain and govern and look after football but the elite will be made to pay parachute payments for a few years and UEFA will lose its control at the elite level.

International football will also be compromised unless FIFA changes its stance too.

We can have a chat about this one in another 5 - 10 years and see what´s cahnged.

Have a good night !

Awe Naw

garygillespieshamstring,

I was in the States last year at the start of the baseball season which was the 60th anniversary of Jackie Robinson first playing for the (then Brooklyn) Dodgers. There were a lot of very good programs and newspaper articles around.

It seems incredible that it took until 1947 for the whites only rule to be abandoned.

My dear,dear,dear,dear,dear,dear... Jinkysboy.

High Fives, mate... HIGH FIVES!

I have the idea,that you are under 50 years old... Am I right?

Sure, I am.

Anyway... wait until ye ur 52, and then we will re-open our discussion on how one should approach a problem, such as the present Topic.

Of course, by then I will still l be ahead of you, pal...

so ... on second thoughts, ditch that date!

It seems that ye will nevah catch up wi' my thinkin'..so we wull ayeways disagree.

Manny Oh Manny?

He is the Match that lights the Touch Paper.

Yes, this guy is Magic.

I honestly cannot understand why the Boston Let him leave.

It seem that He was deemed to be expendable, for some esoteric reason that only the Shadow Knows.

I soitenly do not...and frankly, I hope I shall nevah find out.

Manny may just win this Series, Single handedly...Although... I
believe that in Baseball, it is always bettah to win..

Double Handedly!

I shall be watching the game tonight.

We shall see what we shall see.

The Phillies are loaded..so they tell me.. with Left Handers... a type of player who has lostsa advantages over, a Right Hander... I always fear Left Handers.
Whether they be Pitchers or Batters.

I hope the Dodgers have taken the propah steps to deal with Those Pesky Philly Corrie Fisters.

Kojo.

yer pal... who likes to like ye a loat.

Rubicon

I sincerely hope you'll be shouting for the Red Socks!!!
As one of my Sox tee-shirts says 100% Irish, 110% Proud!!

I'll be one of the crew on tonight. After kojo's passionate posts on the history of the Dodgers, I think I'll be shouting for them.

Hail Hail

By neilybhoy bath/vale on October 9, 2008 10:16 PM
how do to get a photo off your computer to display here as a link

Upload it to www.tinypic.com
They will provide a url which you can cut n paste here.

'GG

Aghhhhh,

Kojo you just reminded me that the Sox Judas is playing for the Dodgers!!

Hail Hail

Kojo,
again you profess the bible of the coward/scab/blackleg, do nothing, accept what you are. But if a bit of militancy by others changes your lot, grab it. I honestly detest your philosophy on this as much as I detest the hun. The number of times I've went on strike to imporove my lot, whilst scum sit/work and take the money/benefit because I/we took action scunners me. So much so in fact the last time I did, I tried to stipulate that only people who took action were guaranteed the benefit's achieved. Of course we could never agree a strategy to make this happen, but it was on the cards, before I decided to go to big school.

canamalar who is I think

Murray apparently said that half the club's problems are self inflicted.

Who does he blame for the other half, I wonder?

ziggy b 1970

Billy Singh (I kid you not)

Benjybhoy

Quadraphenian (I kid you not too)

textmates csc

Gordon_J,

It is indeed hard to believe. However even after he made it with the Dodgers,when the team went south,, he still had to sit on the team coach while the white players went to eat inside and he had to wait on some of his team mates to bring out some food.

I like to read American sports books about the early-mid 1900s because of the historical background.
Cinderella Man about J.J. Braddock is another book which is worth a read if you are interested in boxing.

DublinBhoy,
I've always favoured the Red Soxs but the excitement down here is intoxicating as the ultimate underdogs, The Rays, have taken the season by storm. I think I'll go along and enjoy the spectacle without being partizan.

GL2 -

re btinternet - every now and then, it seems to "stick" when trying to get "the best broadband connection". I simply dial my mobile, and after 1 ring put the phone down, the interweb thingy sorts itsel oot - 4 green (nice!!) lights, and a good internet connection!

Clyru

Neilybhoy

you need lovejhoy csc. Any particular specialism?

Canamalar

Hear hear. Right behind you...(honest!)

Kojo

You got me - just - 47.

Not so sure age will mellow me though

And we dont always disagree - on the contrary mate.

Tendency to tell you when I dont agree and not when I do - silence is acceptance.

Corry Fisters - where did you drag that one from - Old Mrs jinks uses that line. My brother is a Corry Fister.

Strangely he writes with his left and kicks a football with his right. Weird

I think a leftie in any sport has an advantage - usually in an offensive aspect methinks.

You never know why players leave - witness the rankers ex players discussions and all the theories - never usually about their ability to play the game.

Rubicon

Forget the excitement and go with your heart...support the Sox. I live in Florida and love walking around with my Sox shirts to annoy them :)

Hail Hail

Handy Cap RSC ;-)

Jinkysboy @ 8.31 , Paul67

Just driven up from Barnsley to Glasgow . So missed the exchanges. Just catching up. This blog thing does get addictive

Paul Lambert's black T-shirt. Welcome (and I think that completes the podium).

Anyway , like most good inventions (this blog excluded Paul67 ) , the creation soon outstrips the inventor .

Hail Hail

Sannabhoy (nextinvention-timetravel csc) Drat J Titor beat me to that too.

Kojo,

Interested to read your support for the Dodgers.
Is it like the Celtic, where if someone uprooted the 'tic and took them away and relocated them elsewhere, we would never watch anyone else, but would support them from a distance? Do the Brooklyn folk still look upon the Dodgers as "their" team or did most transfer their support to the Mets?

ggh who always likes to read your submissions even when he doesn't understand the financial comings and goings.

Jinkysbhoy,

Would agree with your comments about the advantages lefties enjoy with one reservation. I hate left footers taking penalty kicks.

ggh

garygillespieshamstring

Didnt they make a movie of that with Russell Crowe as Braddock?

I enjoyed the movie - reckon the book would be worth a read.

The race issue that was evident in the US was overcome - so why should the race issue here be insurmountable ? To quote a famous man "I have a dream"

Aw Naw

Call me a sentimentalist but football is a form of socialsim, the people's game and I want it back from the thieves who are making it capitalist and anti competitive.

I have no problem whatsoever with any league where teams' competitiveness are based on what can be earned in that league or even investors putting in money with a hope of a return. But as the Prof says the present figures do not indicate that they will get a return. Not sustainable. How long will it take Chelsea to pay Abramovich back? How is he making money? He must be losing more in interest a day than Chelsae can pay back in a month without making cuts elsewhere.

Everything is about balance, extremes of either hue, blue or red are to be avoided. Football has to be a socialist venture because whatever league one is in not one football business can profit without the other. Profit too much and you put the others out of business, so a full capitalist model is flawed.

I do not care who actually runs it or what it is called, as long as expenditure is tied to income earned by the game, excludes subsidies by sugar daddies and limits debt to an agreed ability to manage/afford commensurate with income, that will do me.

I think Celtic would do rather well in such a league and look forward to the day when they are free to join one.

Rubicon, don't listen to Dublinbhoy...

DA DODGERS MA MAN, DA DODGERS,

mannywoodCSC

Dumbhoy,
many thanks sir....do you know if he really is a darkside shareholder?

garygillespieshamstring

Kojo would probably agree about the Celtic idea but Boston bhoys would totally disagree. Red Sox is the only team for them.
I think the Brooklyn Dodgers fans would now support The Mets (at least thats what my brothers mother-in-law says...she's a Mets fan).

Hail Hail

Auldheid on October 9, 2008 10:47 PM -

"and I want it back from the thieves who are making it capitalist and anti competitive."

So what do we do when the players are all gone? 8-}}

Luryc

Sannabhoy

You set yourself up then mate - you dont start a competition then bale out after 5 minutes (unless your Glasgow rankers).

You made good time there my man - hope you were not exceeding the national speed limit. Tssk tssk

Addictive - better than drugs though (Im told)

Sannabhoy, it sure does.

Rubicon, ignore Gerrybhoy71...Sox are the only one. Oh and there no such thing as a neutral in baseball. Your heart man, listen to your heart
(shhh...Gerrybhoys a Texan)

:)

Hail Hail

.

Is a America Post Wanted.... Night Coming On....????

o1baseballbhoy

My dear,dear,dear,dear,dear,dear,dear,dear,dear,friend... GG.

Great to Greet ye,palomine.

Ye and Me.. Parley the Same Language... oan maist things.

So it is not a surprise to me... that your Exalted Wisdom has guided you, unerringly, to the Friendly Camp Fire o' Those Glorious Bums!

I know that you know all about the following ditty..

But, I have added a few little snippets, that may be of interest to our readers.

............. ............. ...................

Take me out to the Ball Game.
Take me out with the Crowd,

Buy me some Peanuts and Cracker Jack..

Ah don't care if Ah nevah Come Back..

So it's Root, Root, Root fur The DODGERS..

If they Don't win ... It's A Shame..

Fur it's One , Two , Three Strikes.. Ye're Out!

At the Old Ball Game.

Hey! Now that's a Song that the Fans can sing!

And they do,do.. they do!

They all stand up at the Seventh Innings and the Belt it out.

Did you know that the man who wrote those stirring Lyrics, .. Jack Norworth...in 1908.. when he foist penned those immortal lines... HAD NEVAH, EVAH, BEEN TO A BASEBALL GAME IN HIS LIFE, up to that time.. later, in 1927..when he had actually attended a Baseball game.. Jack amended and added other Lyrics to the original

This tale was told to me by Vinny...so ye kin bet that it is True...

Also.. if you read the rest of the verses ...you wull find that the Protagonist in the Song...

IS A WUMMAN!

A good upstanding.... IRISH GAL..

Her name is KATIE CASEY!

And she is pleading wit' her boyfriend tae take her tae the game that she is Nuts Aboot!

Now how about that?

Betcha dinnae know dat?

Dem Bums is da Greatest! Even Jackie Gleason luved dem!

Kojo.
yer pal who ayeways hiz time fur ye.

JB713

On Minty not condeming - you are right. I based my orignal comments on a BBC headline and report that was amplified elsewhere.It would seem he was charging Internetr web sites as full of bile. The RST I imagine since he talks about Rangers own putting their heads on a salver.

No matter the song will stop. Have a listen to this.

http://www.randalstowncsc.net/home/modules/news/article.php?storyid=132

Jinkysbhoy : You are right, they did make the film about him. I haven't seen the movie myself.
I generally don't watch the film if I have previously read the book.
One of my old teachers once said that the movie version can never live up to what your imagination can do with the written word.
She probably expressed it far more eloquently than I could, but I have never found a reason to disagree.

I also owe you an apology from a while back. We had a "conversation" when you had just started to post. We exchanged a few comments and you asked about peoples views about criticism of MON and I did not reply. I did attempt to, but my computer shut down of its own volition and I did not manage to post again for around a week.
Good to make contact again.

ggh

ziggyb1970

To be honest I do not know if he is a shareholder. He is a season ticket holder and some time supporter who goes to games. You'll have a hard job claiming that he's part of the WASP establishment (his name's a hint) and he is not in the FF mould. I have never heard him speaking detrimentally about CFC only team rivalry banter.

Tonight's pitchers: Right hander Derek Lowe for the Dodgers and left hander Cole Hamels for the Phillies.

I can see this being a lower scoring series than is being predicted.

GGH

No worries about the lack of response. No apology required.

I tend to agree with your old teacher so I like to watch the film first. As she said - your imagination usually makes the story better and also the film is usually adapted to suit 90 odd minutes.

I would recommend Cinderella man. Although I have not read the book RC (good initials them) plays the part well.

Paul Lambert's T shirt Purple were awesome,Sabbath not as good but Uriah Heep were the best.

You are right this is the most sensible,intelligent site around you will enjoy but it's a we bit cliquish.

Pitching Duel in the City of Brotherly Love?

Expectations for tonight’s match up in Game 1 of the National League Championship Series at Citizens Bank Park, Lowe for the Dodgers and Hamels for Philly, is that it will be a tense low scoring pitchers’ battle.
Both pitchers have had a week’s rest and should be relatively fresh after having pitched over 200 innings each in the regular season.
Lowe has greater post season experience, with the highlight of his career perhaps being a win in game 7 against the Yankees 4 years ago.
Hamels had a regular season win against the Dodgers in August in Philly which saw the Dodgers giving up no less than 27 runs in a 4 game series.
A repeat would lay the lie to a low scoring pitchers’ duel.

Watch out for Manny Ramirez who will be itching to return to Boston as the villain and the spoiler of the Red Sox attempt to successfully defend their World Series title.

'GG headed for an early dinner to prepare

Dumbhoy,

Cheers. The fact the he is season ticket holder is helpful to my argument.

Incidenly Paul67 et al.

I have been writing to both my MP and MSP in edinburgh north and have had some excellent support and resonse from them re TFS.

My MP got a response from the SFA's Derek Kirkwood which was as you would expect banal and well rehearsed. The jist of it was that they can't act because the SPL are responsible for arranging those games and the delegates and in case they are not awre of any SPL delegates raising it as an issue...blah blah...condemn all forms of racism blah blah.... we can only act if the SPL act and there is a subsequent appeal from a club that is sanctioned etc....all apologist nonsense.

The fight continues however and I am constructing my response to my MP and Kirkwood as we speak.

I would urge everyone to keep on at their MP and MSP. There are plenty who support our view. It's only a matter of time before we embarrass the spl into acting.

Auldheid,

I do want you to have the last word on this but UEFA has at every turn proven to be the biggest "capitalist and anti competitive" body in football. The only reason the corruption has not been exposed is because it is autonomous even at goverment level. Big business wants to use football to drive these new techological initiatives. I´m sure if UEFA was accountable and we could peer in to it´s activities we´d be more than appalled we´d actively turn our back on it.

Gents (and Ladies),

Bit of advice please if possile.

This is regarding legal advice so scroll past if you please.
I'm at a wee bit of a loss. I made a bid for a property and was accepted. I had been told by RBS that my Mortgage application had been accepted (I now know that means in principle) but 3 days before I was due to get the keys and while I was waiting on the paperwork to come through, they told me that I had now been refused the mortgage.

I would normally shrug this off but in Scotland, the contract completed between our solicitors apparently means that I am liable to be sued for quite a bit of money.

Really feel like I've been done here as RBS aren't even speaking to me regarding this (I know their reasons but they set out hurdles which I cleared and still I'm stuck).

Any guidance from one of you legal eagles out there I'd appreciate.

Mucker
In a panic

Curly

Gone where? To play at clubs at inflated sums that are putting the clubs into unsustainable debt?

Any football league has to have boundaries or you end up with an EPL. What has skewed the EPL is not TV money, everyone had found their level respective of fan base before Abramovich arrived.

He has not just skewed the EPL but Europe too hence UEFA wanting some rules in place. Even with the rules I proposed a professional footballer would make an excellent living and allied with legislation to call sugar daddy money the subsidy that it is they would have no where else to play, unless everyone was happy to watch Chelsea play Man Utd every week.

I'm not against sugar daddies per se, I'm against them inflating a clubs income to a level where very few if any can compete.Even if Celtic were able to play in the EPL with Sky money, unless we were taken over by a sugar daddy who was willing to boost our funds through loaning money to us (aka borrowing), we could not compete with Chelsea or Man Utd and struggle for a top 4 finish.

When listening to clyde tonight .
It was interesting to hear them say "hearts £32 million and rangers £21millon debts ,there is no chance they would go bust as Man utd and chelsea are in hundreds of millions in debt ")Was it a bad dream I had when they were going to shut us down for a measly 5 million .

Lazarus,

Saw all Purple and Uriah Heep several times and the gigs were always great.
However Rory Gallagher was. IMO, consistently best over a good number of years.

Dublinbhoy,

I think we celts must always root for the non-establishment team.
My leanings are towards the Sox and the Dodgers.
Was really keen to see the Sox break the Curse of the Bambino.
I also have a sympathy for the Devil Rays since my early days of watching baseball when they got gubbed every day. The Partick Thistle nil of MBL.

ziggyb1970

It's my judgement that our man at SRTRC is not a well connected estblishment figure and his failings are because he is out of his depth in getting to grips with and addressing this. I don't think it was the type of issue he expected to deal with when taking the gig. In this instance it's probably better to regard him as somewhat of a patsy who is already in the drowning zone.
I was surprised at his appointment as I expected some establishment ex-player to be appointed at the time.

canamalar

Im sure kojo will reply to your post and is well able to fend for himself

I share your feelings on industrial action - been there - lost a shedload of money time and opportunity - but never faith or respect. have also witnessed others walk through the line and on one occasion refused to work with one for the fact he didnt ever come to the line in 13 weeks of occupation of the plant.

Nowadays Im not sure how I would feel in those circumstances again - its a new world - Thatcher knew what she was doing - I also blame her for the situation in the country now regards the economy.

However I think that your words to Kojo are harsh - read my posts to him and you will see I am not always in agreement but we are here debating issues. No rights or wrongs - just opinions.

This is just my opinion also

keep the faith

Aw Naw

As I said I have no illusions about UEFA and in whose good they have operated. They have tried to square a circle rather than face up to the G14 who gave not a toss for anyone but themselves.

Better late than never.

Abmucker,

recently been through my own legal wrangle over property.

Check with your solicitor but I think technically if your missives are concluded then yes you are technically liable to conclude the deal and the other party can technically sue if they choose to.

However, my solicitor told me recently that in these cicumstances most people choose just to put it down to experience and move on - the expense and stress of legal action is not something people relish. In any case even if hey do, the chance of a judge ruling against an individual who through no fault of their own had his bank pull out on him at the last minute are slim....is there any chance of you getting a mortgage with anyone else?

garygillespieshamstring,

You mentioned the Curse of the Bambino in Boston.

Are you aware that the Phillies are battling to beat Billy Penn's Curse?

Gordon J

Im intrigued - have you got a link

Ziggyb1970,

Cheers mucker.
I'm trying all other routes just now and my wife has explained to the people themselves, who unbelievably were through something simialar.

The seem reasonable but now they have already moved, the need for cash can make people jumpy.
We have offered to rent it off them (as they are renting) but don't think they want to do this.

I've only set up my own company just over a year ago so only have one year's accounts. This si now counting against me in the "Current Climate"!!!!

Cheers for lightening my mood a bit.
Mucker

jinkysboy,
kojo preaches the bible of the coward/conformist, no more no less, because kojo is not keen on uppity plebs, the ruling classes and status quo are the way the church of rome want to keep it, we all have stations and the sooner we realsie it the better for the ruling classes, innit :oD
canamalar who likes a winde up innit.

Gordon_J,

No, Can you enlighten me?

Its the Dodgers all the way...Phillies may be favourites, but the Dodgers are da bom!

ziggyb1970, excellent work, well done.

Abmucker,
nae bother....bear in mind that the current climate and the short comings of RBS will act in your favour should it (perish the thought) end up in court.

As I said, most cases do not go to court as it just costs too much money for both parties and there's no guarantee of victory for anyone.

good luck with this one....believe me I empathise!!!!!

.

"Is Today....The Day...."

o1bhoy

garygillespieshamstring

I agree totally on the pulling for the underdogs BUT if it was Celtic against the underdogs I would always hope they would hump 'em every time :)
Hence, in baseball the underdogs were, until very recently, the Red Sox. Get my drift?? :)

GO SOX

Hail Hail

Canamalar

I see your point - believe me - I think we share the same stories.

I have made the point on more than one occassion that a lot depends on the place and environment you live in.

im assuming you dont live 4,000 miles from castle greyskull - you feel the heat. IMHO Kojo doesnt live in the same world.

He has many things in common - and many in conflict.

It would be a boring site if we all agreed 100% but the one thing we all have in common - Glasgow Cetic FC are in our hearts.

hail hail

bhoys/ghirls

going to blackpool with the extended family this weekend; looking for a celtic friendly boozer to watch scotland game, one that allows children in...

Jinkysboy :- On the last line of your post, I too have the heart of a Celtic supporter.

I keep it a jar on my desk ;-)

Ziggyb
I think the FSA might still have something to add, also try the banking ombudsman, I'm sure that whilst awaiting the RBS decision, sometimes there is a condition that you cant be trying for a morgage elsewhere, this right of exclusivity if applicable could be your out, especially after the principal was agreed, and the timescale was known by the bank.

Dublin bhoy :

Too right! Always Celtic to win. Even when a loss to the wee Rankers would push the FOD into 3rd place, I still wanted us to beat Hearts.
I can never want Celtic to lose.

Hail, Hail.

ggh

EdwardUrsus

Is that just to remind you what a heart looks like :)

Hail Hail

paul
hope the wean is on the mend .
As a man who seems keen on mintys running of rangers (as I am myself )
Has he mentioned his commitment to increase the capacity of the ground , or is he just looking to cash in on any grants available for tidying up govan .

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curse_of_Billy_Penn

It's from Wiki so it must be true. I did originally hear the story in Citizen's Bank Park though ...

Edward U :

Good one!

Ed,

As Cilla said,

"Anyone who has a heart"

ggh

Edward

That must be a big jar and a big desk !!!

Anyway I know we are winning you over ...........

Dublinbhoy :- Nice one :-)

edward
check if it is beating in the jar ,as we are beating your lot in the league .
hail hail

jinkysboy,
kojo will sort me out in his own time, easily. :oD
We agree on lots and we disagree on more, its the beauty of our relationship.
hail hail

ed
what are your feelings on the way minty is leading your club financially , maybe a discussion for another time but in short are you for or against his tenure to date

Auldheid @ 110.47

"How long will it take Chelsea to pay Abramovich back? How is he making money? He must be losing more in interest a day than Chelsae can pay back in a month without making cuts elsewhere."

Abramovich did not invest in Chelsea to make money but to stay alive; they are his insurance policy.

Having smuggled abroad the oil wealth he stole during the break up of the USSR, he was invited by Putin and his cohorts to return a goodly proportion of this to the pockets of Putin and his colleagues. Having failed to make sufficient reparation as he was keen to hold on to most of it, Roman found that buying a high profile EPL club made it less easy that he would succumb to a poisoned umbrella tip, contract a Ukrainian skin disease, or end up in a Russian jail.

You can bet that other parties in the UK, apart from Chelsea FC, were also rewarded for letting him hide behind their shield.

Canamalar

Glad to hear it

As I said - Im sure we have a lot in common given your earlier post . Hard not to growing up on the Clyde.

Wolfiesmithcsc

canamalar

A couple of wee songs in support of your politics.

Tom Paine's Bones

It's not what you're born with

setting free the bears

Lets not forget he threw away $1b on a divorce settlement

GarryGillespie & Jinkysboy :- It's good to have a laugh at times

FergusSTB :- Even if it was it will have stopped by the end of the season :-)
On your second question, I think it's way past the time that Sir David is doing any good for the club, his strategy was a good one when prices were high and we were making money but now it seems to be downsize after downsize and although it may have to be done due to fiancial circumstances he is the man who caused those same financial circumstances, my view is that his leaving is long overdue.

SFTB
I had to laugh listening to talksport today .
speaking of the debt in the EPL and the credit crunch .The guy said spare a thought for Frank Lampard as he now has to go to 3 different banks to collect his weekly wage ,sums it up really

Gordon J

has the movie been released - the article says May 2008

Ed, If you're still around,

Guy goes into the Chemist and asks the girl for a dodourant.
She enquires "Ball or aerosol?"
He says "no, just for under my arms"

Should be a deodorant, sorry.

Abmucker,

As a (recently redundant) Property Manager I have a bit of experience in this sort of situation. Did your Solicitor advise you that it was unwise to conclude missives due to the fact that they hadn't received Mortgage Papers from your lender, merely an agreement in principal.

If they did not not inform you then you have a case to take them to the Law Society for negligence. If they did and you instructed them to conclude on your behalf then it ultimately comes down to them having advised you and you have not taken that advice.

The sellers can sue you in missives if you have concluded, this usually means that they will look for payment at a rate agreed in the missives, payable until either you get a mortgage or they find another buyer. It can get a bit messy so hopefully they won't go down that road but their solicitor will advise them that they have little option.

If you have any more questions let me know and hopefully I can answer them.

GGH

you should be on the stage

theres one leaving in 5 minutes

(older than Old Mrs Jinks but its late)

Jinkysbhoy,

I never claimed the jokes were funny!

Ziggy / Canamalar

Thanks for the advice tonight.

If Mrs Mucker is in a good mood I'll be grand for the night.
Although sometimes that can cost more money ;-)

Mucker
Naptime

Ed
thanks for your views as I think the press give him a very easy time of it regards the financial side of things .
I think this worked in his favour at first but now it is working in ours .
My heart nearly stopped a few times last season ,but that's why we love this game .
may the best team win .............................as that.s us obviously .

jinkysboy,

No idea - I hadn't heard of the film before reading that and I haven't seen any publicity for it.

GGH

I didnt say your joke wasnt funny - it made me laugh.

At least yours are new - think I stole mine from laurel and hardy

jinkysboy
the old ones are the best
stan and ollie still make me laugh .
hail hail

Gordon J

I checked on imbd and no record.

Sounds like an interesting story

Who was Billy penn?

and whos on first..........

The deodorant joke is from Not The Nine O'Clock News!

The Swedish Chhemist Shop

you can lead a horse to water but a pencil must be led

any room on that stage gary where's my coat

Abmucker co-incidentally I am speaking with my own independent mortgage advisor this weekend as my own deal is up for renewal next year. If you send me an email i can see if he can provide professional help on your behalf. He is very good because when i returned to the UK I had insufficient credit history and my original application was rejected by RBS however with his help I was able to get a fixed rate mortgage with alliance and leicester which enabled me to but my first home 18 months ago.....think you already have my email address
good luck and get in touch
UNEW

William Penn was an English Quaker who was given a large tract of land in the New World by Charles, which was originally called New Wales. The King changed the name in memory of Penn's father who was a navel officer who fought to restore the monarchy after Cromwell.

He was an early democrat who pioneered a written constitution that could be amended, planned and built Philadelphia and also proposed a European Parliament somewhere around 1700!

two cannibals sitting at dinner .
The wife says to the husband ,I don't like our daughters new boyfriend .
the husband replies ,well put him to the side of the plate and eat your potatoes .

Is that stage here yet .

Gordon J

I think given that story your team may be doomed.

Need to get the ballbreaker out and knock the top off that clocktower.

My last bit of Pennsylvania trivia for the night - the statue of WIlliam Penn on top of City Hall in Philadelphia was sculpted by one Alexander Calder, who hailed from Aberdeen.

MLB I have been an avid red sox fan since 2,000 when pitchers included derek lowe and pedro martinez was the ace that replaced roger clemens when he defected to the yankees... nomar garciparra was short stop....manny ramirez whilst an undoubted talent who played no small part in breaking the sox hoodoo to deliver world series rings in 2004 and 2007 is a very troubled person who has always been tetchy. Almost every close season he threatened to walk away this year when his self indulgent behaviour threatened to disrupt the dressing room (despite being promised that he could leave on free agency at the end of the season) Red Sox finally called his bluff.....it will all end in tears in LA coz manny wants 100 Million per year to remain next season....the dodgers dont have that kind of money and the although manny is in dodgers colours now his permanent future is very much up in the air. Without access to cable TV I have followed the sox online following each pitch with gameday.....I was wearing my redsox colours when i met curly et al in BBs before hamilton last saturday....however my nerves were shattered during the last win against the Angels and anxious not to jinx the team i finally went to bed at the end of the 8th innings.....sometimes baseball is on late night channel 5 but times are irregular
Dublin Bhoy go red sox go ....who's Manny we've got Jason Bay and Big Papi and MVP Dustin Pedroia !

Garrygillespieshamstring - I haven't heard a lot of Rory but enough to know how good he was.First heard him as guitarist in Taste.

Yes are my favourite band and the great Glasgow Celtic my all consuming love.

Off to my scratcher

Enjoy the ball game bhoys

and may the bestest team win

Had a look at SRTRC official site tonight. Its a good bit out of date, but out of all the people (peepul?) interviewed this one sticks out.

Walter Smith, Scotland Manager,
What would your advice be to young people on the issue of racism?

Travelling with Scotland you see the welcome our fans receive worldwide - the least we can do is show respect to the diverse cultures that make up this country.

What do you think of the SRTRC campaign in Scotland?

Show Racism the Red Card tackles the issue of racism in an intelligent way so that people can be judged on who they are not what colour they are.

So there you have it, folks, fast forward a couple of years and ask Wattie that question again, but this time with regards his current (currant?) employers.

What would your advice be to young people on the issue of racism?

Travelling with Rangers you see the welcome our fans receive worldwide - the least we can do is show respect to the diverse cultures that make up this country.

For worldwide read Linfield. Which, ironically, is in Ireland.
I won`t mention Greater Manchester or Catalan areas.

UNEW MIKE

Yeah, good man...you definitely know your history (Red Sox, that is), very impressive.
I am in total agreement, while Manny is without doubt a fantastic hitter he is definitely a flawed character and a greedy B one at that. He knows he can do the business but I do not see him staying with any National League team for too long. So Dodgers fans, enjoy him while you have him but, for the reasons UNEW MIKE stated,...it wont be for long.
Lets go Red Sox. lets go Red Sox!!

Hail Hail

Lazarus

Rory Gallagher was a guitar great though pretty much universally ignored. Do yourself a big favour and check out some of his music on youtube. I promise, you will not be disappointed.

Hail Hail

bobby
I think there is an element of rangers fans who angry at the stopping of the BB have embarked on a campaign of defiance .
Unfortunately for the real FOOTBALL fans at Ibrox the chance to change their club for the better has been lost .
The RST have really let the real FOOTBALL fans down and are pandering to the bigots at their club .Edgar must take responsibility for this .He put himself up as the face of the RST and has failed to put the wishes and hopes of the MAJORITY of real FOOTBALL fans of rangers to the fore and therefore gain the upper hand over the MINORITY .
Or has he ...........If so god help them as a 21st century FOOTBALL club

Thank the Good Lord that poetry day is over. I was even going to ask one individual who shall remain nameless to go back to writing tales. I enjoyed that more than the poetry, but I enjoyed gettin ma heed kicked in by the bouncers at the Ultratheque in 1981 even more. As for the lookalike section thats crept in, a few people have said that I look like my brother. Oh, and the anagram thing isn`t funny. You can type any name into an anagram website and it will give you countless numbers (unless you count them) of anagrams. Then you can post them and think you`re clever. Well you`re not. Right, the rounders chat is attempting a comeback, i`m off. Especially before a Phil Collins and Neil Diamond double act gets You-Tubed.
P.S. Does anyone know of a good washing machine repairer in Slough, I`ll be there next week for a few days.

First pitch is high and we are underway

'GG

And we're off in Philadelphia.

Manny to the plate with a runner on 2nd and 1 out.

Manny has a double off the ball just missing a HR and
THE DODGERS lead 1-0.

'GG

BobbyRussell

Thats all a bit negative, Bobby. Try putting together some interesting posts yourself if you don't like what others are contributing. Its an open site.

Good luck in Slough...its one god-awful place. I used have to travel there for work every day from Kent. The only vaguely interesting thing about the place is the Mars factory.

Dammit, Ramirez just got a double..very nearly a home run.

Hail Hail

bobby
how do you know your washing machine is going to break don when you go to Slough next week are you one of those heed readers who can see the future .
If so can you give me a tip for the CQN charity bet on Saturday

Manny hit the top of the wall on his second pitch.
Inches from a 2 run homer.
It's gone quiet in Philly.

2 away and Manny at 2nd.

'GG

See what I mean about the Nationals?? Its easy for a good ALS batter to score against these teams :))

Hail Hail

A walk and DODGERS have 2 on and 2 out.

'GG

Good start for the Dodgers - but it's only 1 - 0.

Inning over and 2 runners stranded.

Dodgers lead 1-0

'GG

Fergus, I agree with what you are saying, but I would dispute the wishes of `the majority`. I think the majority are the defiant ones, if you listen to TFS getting belted out even at Ibrox, it`s the majority who are the belters. (So are their wummin, but thats another story) I know there are good decent Rangers fans but they are the minority. And they SUPPORT a club that, although they say fans should refrain from some songs, they will not condemn the songs for what they are. The only fear is that there could be repercussions. Well let there be repercussions. It took repercussions to get the Billy Boys banned. GLASGOW RANGERS ARE SCOTLANDS SHAME
P.S. I only got up for a pee, i`m away back to bed before the rounders starts.
Bobby Russell, CelticQuickNews, Philadelphia.

Who's getting the beers in bhoys?

I'm the designated driver as usual. I'd love some spicy wings.

'GG

Nitol I will be awake for the main event tomorrow night Dublin Bhoy does have a point though as far as i can remember the ALD has dominated the National League in the annual allstars game

Red Sox and Celtic title winners par excellence !

Hail Hail

GG,

Now I'm hungry. Hot wings, mmmmmm.

2 out base hit for Philly.

Innings over

'GG

'GG

Ha...got my feet up, a pizza in the oven and cold Amstel in my hand (don't tell my boss, I'm still on call)!

The way they are going this game could be over by the time the pizzas cooked!!

Gerrybhoy are you lurking?

Hail Hail

Dublinbhoy

There will be few Remedy tickets complted tonight then.

Amstel light from fridge.
Hot pitta bread, hummus and brushetta.

Light snacks unless I can persuade the boss to make toasted cheese.

Lead off single for Philly.

'GG

Double play and Phillies have 2 down.

'GG trying to stop the brushetta getting on keyboard.

'GG

I wish to God we had Remedy...we use a piece of rubbish called Maestro. No, I'll only be working if our India office can't deal with things (which probably means I'll get my first call in a few minutes!!).

Do the Dodgers always pick up Red Sox cast-offs?

Hail Hail

Third innings coming up and the DODGERS retain their 1 run advantage from the first.

How's that pizza DB?

Manny coming up again.

'GG

bobby
that is what i attain to in the last line of my post .
I remember when I first heard of the RST they sounded as if they were trying to move the support forward .Has the infighting over the last few months been an admission of failure in this .Are the majority of gers fans happy to be known as bigots .

DB

The Maestro I know morphed into TWS at IBM.
It is also a piece of crap from what I've heard, but I'm biased.

Manny on with a man at 1st and 1 out.
Manny swinging for the fences and missing.
Ramirez pops up and he's out.
2 out walk and Dodgers have runners at 1st and 2nd.

'GG

Bottom of the 3rd upcoming and the score is till 1-0 for Dodgers.

'GG headed to the fridge for a refill.

Alright bhoys whats happening ?
Just finished practice with my wee ones, got a coffee and a couple a chocolate chip cookies.

Hows Mannywood doing?

GB

'GG

Pizza is smelling great but I will have to put it on hold...got my first call of the evening

Hail Hail

Setting Free

Cheers. Whatever the reason it was not to get a return on what he loaned Chelsea i.e it was not a business investment in the normal meaning of that phrase. I was using Abramovich's loan to Chelsea to counter a point AW Naw made about sugar daddies investing in the EPL to make money.

GB

Manny hit his second pitch inches from the top of the wall in left centre field.
One run batted in.
Popped up second trip to the plate.

Dodgers lead 1-0 after three.

DublinBhoy's pizza is ready.
My beer glass is empty
and the wife is refusing to make roasted cheese.

'GG

Dodgers lead off 4th with a ground rule double down the RH line.

'GG

AH Gerrybhoy, was wondering where you got to.
Manny is being Manny.
Dodgers 1 up at the top of the 4th

'GG Very good summing up there :)
Managed to get rid of the problem, quick time.
Now back, all relaxed.

Hail Hail

Dodgers runner advances to 3rd on a ground out.

Sacrifice fly coming up and runner gets home easily.

Dodgers 2-0.

'GG

Dodgers 4th is over and they now lead 2-0.

Dash for fridge

'GG

Phillies' hitters need to get into this game ...

As much as hate the ad breaks they do have their benefits...pizzas good and a fresh beer.

Hail Hail

Phillys' bats are cold.

It's in the low 60s on a clear night here in Jersey and I expect it's just the same in Philly.
How warm is MD tonight?

BTW I found some chipotle onions in the fridge to complement the beer, bruschetta and hummus.

End of 4th and the score is still 2-0.

'GG grazing rather than snacking

I think the commentators said it was about 70 in the park, but that'll drop.

Manny up now.

Hail Hail

Manny comes to the plate with 2 out and nobody on.

Walk? No.

2 out single and Manny is 2 for three.

'GG

Seems strange to see Joe Torre in anything other than a Yankees uniform.

Strike for Hamels and the Dodgers' 4th innings is over.

Dodgers lead 2-0 half way through the game.

'GG

Sounds like the Phillies are in for a night of it, then 3 games in LA LA Land, smell a sweep........

MannywoodCSC

BobbyRussell,while i would agree that,in part rangers are Scotlands shame,i would go further and add,imo,the real shame lies with the ruling bodies in this country,they are culpable in not taking appropriate action,it would be better if someone in authority would have the cojones to stand up and take them on.One would have thought,since they are breakng the law of the land,it would not be too difficult,with the right motivation,to press charges,or at least propose sanctions,thus ending the spread of this filth,anyway,on a MUCH more important topic,what is happening at the rounders?

Gordon J
Do you know what film Torre played a cameo role in ?

Gerrybhoy71,

I've no idea on that one.

Gordon

Joe seems a real gentleman and many Yankee fans I know regret his departure.

Phillies' first two batsmen grounded out.

Phillies bat driven through right field for a single and they have a man on with 2 out.
Second drive into right field for a base hit and they have 2 on with 2 out.

'GG

its good trivia for the baseball fans
was Analyze That, with Di Niro and Billy Crystal.

Pop out to deep left and Dodgers get out of a tight situation.
Lowe definitely looked vulnerable at the final out.

Dodgers lead 2-0 after 5.

'GG

I think the Yankees made a mistake letting Torres go. If I'm not mistaken, this is the first year in the last 13 they haven't made it to the play offs. I don't believe its a coincidence.

Inning over without the Phillies scoring. Still 2-0

Hail Hail

GG,

The Yankees didn't exactly have a great season without him!

Yankees are a case where big money has bought / brought success.

The difference between them and Chelsea / Manchester / Real Madrid is that they make a load of money.

'GG

Lead off single for Dodgers

Great double play by the Phillies

Hail Hail

Double play and the Dodgers have 2 out and nobody on.

Grounds out and the Dodgers lead 2-0 middle of the 5th.

This game is moving along at a fast pace.

'GG

Was there not a tie in between the Yankees and Man Utd during Kenyon's time at Man U?

I can smell 4 - 0 at the end of this inning ?
DublinB, You know i'm never far away with predictions.

GB

Gerrybhoy

Have you ever been right? :)

Error by Dodgers allows Phillise runner get to second base.

Hail Hail

Night guys as they say in Russia "mustgo"

Hail Hail and enjoy

GB

Chase Utley home run, Phillies, ties the game at 2-2.

Phillies homer...game tied at 2-2 with no one out. Crowd come alive!!

Still confident with your prediction?

Hail Hail

Throwing error puts Philly lead off batter on 2nd.

Maybe this could get the Philly's going.

A 2 run homer into right center field ties the game.

'GG

Manny Ramirez
Attended George Washington High School in NYC.
They have a roll of honor in their entrance.
Manny is not on it.
Did not graduate.

Roll on the Irony Manny.

Solo home run Pat Burrell. 3-2 Phillies.

Lowe rattled by the turn around?

Another homer for the Phillies...this is getting interesting!!

Hail Hail

Hi PJB.

Homer into left field. Phillies lead 3-2.

Joe will be looking for the hook for Lowe.

See waht happens when I said he looked vulnerable.

Lowe yanked. No mercy at this level and stage of the game.

'GG

End of the 6th and the Phillies have a 3-2 lead.

'GG

Hi GG'

Watching this in a bar.
Hoping for Joe & The Man to step up once more.
They know how to......

PJB

The power of the web.
Can you get a cyber round in?
DB and I are both on the Amstel.
Strange that the sports focus is on Philly and not NY.

'GG

PJBhoynyc

You brought your clunky ol' desktop to the bar...now I am impressed :))

Hail Hail

Phillies have really woken up. Some great play in that inning and dispatched the Dodgers easily.

Hail Hail

PJBhoynyc,

You in the Parlour by any chance?

7 innings from Hamels.

We now have "God Bless America" from a lady in uniform.
She has a fine voice and a sturdy pair of legs.

Dash for bladder relief and a refill.

'GG

A strapping young lady, for sure

Gimme Sweet Caroline in Fenway for the 7th inning stretch anytime.

Hail Hail

Good base running puts Philly lead runner on base.
Pop up bunt caught and Philly fail to advance runner.

Double play from 2nd base ends the innings.

3-2 Philly with Manny due up I believe.

'GG

Wow, a double play by the Phillies. I thought the runner got to first base in time.

Hail Hail

We're now at the business end of this game and the managers will be looking to change things around.
New pitcher for Philly and Joe will be looking for some inspiration from his big bats.

'GG

1 out and Manny comes to the plate.

Conference on the mound reminding pitcher of how to pitch Ramirez.
lets see how effective it is.

Line drive caught at 3rd base. 2 down.

'GG

Phillies three outs from a victory ...

Dodgers get a man on 1st after error from 3rd base.
From hero to zero.

Innings over and Phillies go to bottom of the 8th with a 1 run lead.

'GG

Dodgers will need to pull something out of the hat now to get anything out of this game.

Still 2-3 going into the 9th.

Hail Hail

Still have faith in Joe.
On my iphone and the dewars for my sins.
Watching this in my local, not the Parlour, with a Plymouth fan who has a boss called Paul McSherry an ex Celt he says.... Anyone recall this bhoy?

Sorry meant bottom of the 8th...D'oh.

Hail Hail

Phillies closer is warming up in the bull pen.
he is perfect this season.
Hasn't lost a game when Phillies lead after 8.

Phillies three down and we go to the 9th in a 1 run game.

Dodgers with 3 outs to rescue this game.

'GG

1 out Dodgers. Long fly ball to centre field almost on the track.

2 left.

'GG

"Lights Out" Brad Lidge with the save and the Phillies win 3-2.

A very good close game. This could be a great series.

Good game, nice turnaround by the Phillies.
With all the fireworks you'd think they'd won the series.

Hail Hail

Long fly ball to centre again is caught.

Last out for Dodgers.

One ball one strike.
Come on son hit it out the park.

1 ball 2 strikes.

Phillies win game one 3-2
and we're back tomorrow afternoon at 4:30 EST.

'GG

The bell is ringing at Citizen's Bank Park and the fireworks are lighting up the Philly night sky.

It's been fun! Night all.

If its on that early, I'll be relying on you guys for updates.

Jeez, just saw the Dow was down over 1700 points today.

Hitting the hay now, good evening of sport.

Take it easy lads.

Hail Hail

Pat Burrell must be 6 feet 6.
He is towering over the interviewer.
He could have played NBA.

'GG

DB

700 not 1700. I blame Murray.
If it were 1700 PJB would be dodging jumpers.

'GG

DublinBhoy and GG

Just in from the loacla having watched the game, a taste of things to come methinks, never wrote off those Fightin' Phils

MdBhoy with a Macallan in hand

meant "in from local" and "never write" !!

mdb

The MacAllan.
You have an exquisite if somewhat expensive taste.
In my younger days I preferred a lighter Speyside like Glenlivet.
Alas it's about 10 years since I had the pleasure of a single malt.

'GG

The overnight crew are in now to change the MLB on CQN studio to SPL on CQN.

The backsplashes are being replaced, the colours are being changed back to green and white and Paul's studio chair and desk are being brought back.
The ballpark wrappers for the spicy chicken wings, hot dogs and popcorn are being swept away.

Maybe mdbhoy will leave a wee dram or two for the morning crew.

I hope you find the place ready to talk football, sectarianism, poetry, anagrams, soap operas and SFA indifference.

Hail hail

'GG

morning all

seems like the baseball has broken the football site ;)

did the hoops win?

"GG is the most respectful guest on the blog. Always cleans up after himself (and others)...

1700 DublinBhoy?...
You are an Eerily Prescient man... One week ahead of your time!
Yes you are correct 'GG...
But the jumpers are already as common as Lemmings...
Fortunately for themselves....They are all landing on Taxpayers.

Kojo
Hmmmm
It's on the streets now my man.... BUY between now and the end of the year! If you still believe.

WARNING: SCROLL BY IF UNINTERESTED IN FINANCE!!!!!!!!!!

Given the title of this thread, forgive a dip into the financial world.
Just an opinion of course.....
To, possibly, make sense of the chaos that seems to be Consuming The Planet...
To make sense of Gordon Brown & Alastair Darlings about turn (& Germanys one finger salute to the US)
Read the link below....
But first, consider a rumour flying around financial circles in the last 48 hours. This...

Europe, Asia, Russia and Arab countries have had enough of Toxic Derivatives sold from the USA ( and its military adventures to protect the petrodollar) and are planning to start a global reserve currency tied to gold (but excluding the Dollar and Sterling)

Enlightenment for Tims.... Possibly

If the rumour is true... (and I do not normally admire politicians) Brown and Darling are doing the right thing... But are being castigated for it by many of their constituents...
As most leaders normally are for doing the right thing...
Like Gordon Strachan perhaps....

KTF Bhoys & Ghirls

It's my beirthday today here in Oz. My wife is Australian and when she stayed with me in Scotland for a few years, I took her to Celtic Park on a number of occasions. The first time she stepped out of the tunnel and onto the sitting area in the Jock Stein Upper Stand, she just uttered one word, "AWESOME". Her next 6 words were, "Can you bring me here again?"

She still talks about her visits to Celtic Park and sleeps in a Celtic T-Shirt.

Anyway, I finished at 12:30 today as the good lady was taking me out for lunch and a couple of beers. We parked the car in the Surf Club and she opened the boot and took out a parcel. While we were in the club, she presented me with my birthday present. I unwrapped the parcel and there in front of me were personalised number plates in white lettering on an emerald green background. The licence plate read TIC 67.

I have only been in Australia for 3 years and was not aware that you can, through the Transport Department, create and buy your own personalized number plates, although I had certainly seen a few crackers while on the roads. She told me she had tried for CELTIC but not surprisingly it was not available. CE1T1C was available for $2295 so she baulked at that, but I was over the moon with the one she got me. I drive an emerald green car as well and as soon as I got home, I fitted the new plates. I then went to the toilet and am not ashamed to admit, I shed a few tears at such a wondeful gesture.

Must go now. Going out for a wee drive.

Hail Hail

HOOPY birthday Prince Myshkin

BT

Happy birthday Prince Myshkin.

The wife done good!!!!!! Reward her for good deed, get her over to another game. Have a good one.

Many Hoopy returns Prince Myshkin, from a cold and wet North East of Scotland.

I will be joining you in the older stakes on Sunday, hopefully still hungover after celebrating another Scotland victory, and the safe return of our Scottish International Bhoys. Then we can look forward to celebrating the safe return of our international International Bhoys from all over the world on Thursday.

Hopefully a whole week of celebrating, including another victory over Caley next weekend, and being 3 points in the lead at the top of the SPL - how good would that be??

Rycul

Now we all know that they have a problem; every decent human being in the world, who knows anything about Scottish football and Glasgow culture in particular, knows they have a problem.

Maybe the biggest problem of all is that they have adopted a ‘last straw’ philosophy of indelible denial. Although a somewhat obtuse and abject defence of their collective deficiencies in the field of human decency, one must still admire their dogged determination to educate the world in their new ‘clock-work orange’ order ethics.

However, according to some in the press they are going to have a hard time in persuading folk, because to date, the struggle to string a sentence together in their quintisternal mother tongue appears to be beyond their collective ability.

Murray rounds on bigots whose ‘bile’ has embarrassed Rangers

Graham Spiers
Sir David Murray, the Rangers chairman, took a swipe yesterday at a section of the club’s supporters that he said was expressing “bile” on a daily basis and tarring the reputation of the club.
Murray, who was facing some angry questions at the Rangers annual meeting in Glasgow, said that some supporters “handed the club’s head on a plate” to those critics in the media who have taken Rangers to task over their problems with bigotry in recent years. Murray and Martin Bain, the chief executive, targeted a website culture among fans where bigotry is known to thrive, given the safety of the anonymity it affords people who post comments on it. Rangers have repeatedly been embarrassed by one supporters’ website, where a core of fans flaunt their beliefs and mangled syntax in equal measure.
“I don’t think within our club we help ourselves,” Murray said. “We have people involved with this club who put bile — that’s the word for it — on websites every day. Half of our problems, I believe, are self-inflicted. Some people who are supposedly Rangers supporters need to have a hard look at themselves. Not all of our supporters are pulling in the right direction and they hand us to the media on a plate.
“People on the internet hide behind a nom de plume and all they do is play into the hands of our critics. We have to police ourselves and not give the media ammunition.”
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Murray, who is approaching his 20th anniversary as Rangers owner and chairman, claimed that the club had made great strides in recent years in terms of stopping the sectarian chanting of supporters and added that he would be meeting Alex Salmond, Scotland’s First Minister, for discussions about the subject next week.
“In the 20 years I’ve been at this club there has been a vast, vast improvement on the of sectarianism at the club,” Murray said. “Then we don’t help ourselves by giving people stuff on a daily basis.
“But all the problems with Scottish sectarianism should not be just put at the feet of Rangers FC. I intend to take that up with the First Minister again when I see him in the next week.”
Bain expressed his regret over the faction of supporters who have tarnished Rangers’ image and referred to the rioting that took place in Manchester after the Uefa Cup final defeat by Zenit St Petersburg in May as another instance of a minority of supporters ruining the occasion for the majority. “On the back of Manchester, we were absolutely defensive of the vast majority of fans who went down there,” Bain told shareholders. “Ninety-nine per cent were commended by Manchester Police for their behaviour, but, as usual, a small minority spoilt it for the majority.
“Sometimes it is difficult to defend yourself when, internally, people undermine us and hand our critics a big stick to batter us with. I ask you as supporters to do your bit to shout down some of the people who are so-called Rangers fans, who undermine us and give sticks to our critics to beat us with.”
Murray reiterated that he intended to sell his 90 per cent stake in the club as soon as he could find a buyer. In the recent past, Murray has complained that the image of Rangers had in part hampered that process.
“I have made it quite clear that eventually I have to go — I don’t want to be doing this for the rest of my life,” Murray said. “I’ve got a huge business to run and my business needs me as much as Rangers need me. I could have sold the club two or three times, but it’s not about money for me, I’ve said that repeatedly. Please trust me, I won’t sell you short. I’ve only got the best intentions for Rangers.”

Goodonya,Prince.
Trifecta:
Ra Tic
Good lady
Oz
Stuff the stock market and celebrate.
Incidentally,I`ve seen "Celtic" driving round Sydney.
Cheers.

Prince Myshkin

it's my birthday in December. Can I borrow your wife for a day. :o) Hail hail to that good lhady.

PJBhoynyc

if that rumour is true what would be the implications for Sterling?

Prince Myshkin

Happy Birthday - sounds like you had a good day.

CQNMLB - thanks for the running commentary throughout the night. I dont bother going onto the official site anymore - more fun to scroll through your comments, chicken wings and beer

Paul - Are Amstel sponsoring the site on Nightshift

kitalba, he's certainly right about the websites. Aside from the main one that the RST and like minded facecombers like to wallow in like evil gremlins at New Year, the Scotsman had to shut down comments on stories involving Celtic or Rangers because it was bombarded every single day with vile comments about the Irish, Catholics, priests, the Pope, Catholic schools, etc. etc. I'd be ashamed to be associated with such people even by way of supporting the same football club.

Murray is also right that all the