Murray gets Pythonesque about Scotland's Shame

Why should/would any Scots born player with irish ancestry want to play for a country where they're continually told to go back to Ireland ?

wafer thin mint . Classic

I am sorry he is from Barcelona.....

LAzarus,

You have excellent taste in music and football. You must be a happy chappy!

Off now to find that number plate in OZ, CE1TIC, for a measly 2500 dollars. £1000 only. It's a snip!

I don't have a car, so I'll have to wear it round my neck as I walk to work!

PJBhoynyc -

Who?

Crosas?

Lurcy

Drugs and obesity ?

Somebody should have told David Murray that I left the country 25 years ago ;-)

“I have always wanted to play for Ireland and when the manager Sean McCaffrey picked me for these fixtures against Italy, I was delighted. I know that I’ll have to work very hard to get a spot in the team because they are a good side.

“I was born in Scotland but my mother’s family are from Donegal. My grandfather, Paddy Coyle, was a big influence on me before he died and it was my intention to represent Ireland if I was lucky enough to be selected.

“I was a Glasgow Celtic supporter as a kid and my grandfather used to tell about the history of Celtic and the Irish International team.

“I spent some time in Ireland with my relatives when I was younger and my aunts and uncles are coming along to the games during the week. My parents are coming over from Scotland, too.

macjay

Can't believe I am reading of dan divers on CQN. St Aloysius did have a few very good cricketers in the 80s, with some getting recognition for Scotland I think.

Also interesting to see that the College is still joint leaders in number of wins of the Scottish Schools rugby cup (5 times) along with Merchiston and Gala, yet incredibly only a couple of OA's ever played for Scotland at this sport, indeed only 4 catholics, that i am aware of have ever played for Scotland at Rugby.

SDM is a bit of a fatty so he is Scotland's Shame after all!

Yarranabbe Bhoy -

I have to get one of the following -

CUR1Y
or

C11RLY (with a carefully located bolt between the 1's)

Or one of these -

Y11RCL
U1RYC
R11CLY
RUC1Y
etc

CYR11L

Murrays comments, and Bains, were designed to show their support for the 'support', yet only highlighted the major problems they face. I agree Paul, the divisions between the owner of the club and the rank and file 'minority' will never now be healed!

Worse still, I believe it's affecting SDM's ability to divorce himself from it all...which must be a double edged blow to his pride and his finances!

Where it all ends up I don't know, but we need to keep ourselves away from being draggged into any squabble and keep ahead of the game!

We are not them in any shape or form!

We all know the debate on Mcgeady but why is there no outcry in the world over Eduardo(brazilian), Deco(brazilian), Nani(Cape Verde), Seedorf(Surinam), Davids(Surinam), Camoranesi(Argentinian), Podolski(Poland), Klose(Poland)playing for countries other than their birth and more closer to home Matt Elliot, Nigal Quashie, Richard Gough, Stuart McCall, Andy Goram, Brian Mclean(ex hun player chose N.Ireland over Scotland NOTHING said bout that! It's because SCOTLAND'S SHAME IS SECTARIANISM ! THEY HATE US SIMPLE AS!

moonbeams blames the council for the delay in his superdome plans

Rangers to get green light for £350m Ibrox plan

RANGERS are set to be given the go-ahead today for an ambitious s350million development around Ibrox Stadium.

Chairman Sir David Murray, left, has told supporters Glasgow City Council are finally ready to transfer land to the club for a project they aim to complete before the Commonwealth Games in 2014.Record Sport can reveal plans for the 45-acre site include a hotel, housing, an underground car park, mini arena for concerts and exhibitions and retail space.

Murray will now seek funding partners and while he admits to concerns over the economy, he insists the project is a goer and will deliver financially for Rangers.

Plans to re-build Ibrox have been put on the back burner but there will be a walkway leading to the listed Ibrox main stand and possible redevelopment in future.

Rangers will be offered land at market rates around the Hinshelwood area of Ibrox, which includes the flats behind the club car park, which is also part of the scheme. The all weather sports facility in front of the stadium would also come down and be rebuilt elsewhere in Govan.

Murray apologised to fans at the Rangers' agm for the delay in the announcement, originally expected in May, and claimed the council were dragging their feet.

He expects the development to be a success and hinted there is political goodwill behind the project, not least because the area around Celtic Park is also seeing massive investment ahead of the games.

Murray said:"We are assured the plans will be approved by Glasgow Council and I believe they have a fair chance of succeeding in some shape or form - due to help going on in other areas of the city, may I say.

"They need to prepare the city for the Commonwealth Games and let's hope we can find suitable partners and the economy's in better shape.

"We have a masterplan that will hopefully give financial benefit to Rangers because the funds will go to the club and no one else."

Rangers will give further details of the scale of the development in the next fortnight.

right lunchtime off to the chippy, for a fish supper and a bottle of irn bru
scotlands shame not me

notasthinasiusedtobecsc

Paul67,

during your server outages a few weeks back I was watching reruns of Fawlty Towers on UK TV Gold

I thought of you when he said this

"A*?E I have to put up with from you people. You ponce in here expecting to be waited on hand and foot, while I'm trying to run a hotel here. Have you any idea of how much there is to do? Do you ever think of that? Of course not, you're all too busy sticking your noses into every corner, poking around for things to complain about, aren't you? Well let me tell you something - this is exactly how Nazi Germany started. A lot of layabouts with nothing better to do than to cause trouble. Well I've had fifteen years of pandering to the likes of you, and I've had enough. I've had it. Come on, pack your bags and get out. "

dontmentionthewarCSC

p.s I thought of you in a positive sympathetic light

from last thread

Celtic First

Most of their justification for certain songs, chants, merchandise etc comes from the 'We think we're quite clever and have outflanked you lot' school of reasoning and skewed logic. But it's quite easy to see through, isn't it.

It's a smoke and mirrors trick, a speciality of Murray.

He was at it again his spurious 'the real problem is obese kids' tosh - a bid to try and take the heat off Rangers for a while.

I don't think Murray is stupid, but after nearly 20 years, surely he must now realise that the baggage that comes along with many Rangers fans is still there. He's tapped into it enough to keep cash coming in, but ultimately, hasn't done enough to stamp it out, I believe, for fear that money will stop coming in.

He's been quoted as saying that he could have bought his hometown team, Ayr United, and put millions into them instead of buying Rangers. Where's the huge fanbase of Ayr United fans that would been such a great marketing opportunity for a football entrepreneur? No, get a ready made niche with Rangers instead, A bit unsavoury and bigotted...ach, their money's as good as anybody's.

As for trying to sell Rangers - he seriously claims the reason he hasn't done so yet is because he wasn't assured that any potential buyers had the best interests of RFC at heart. Tosh, utter tosh. You can't sell damaged goods easily. A lot of polish would be needed to take the tarnish off that brand. Right enough, they should have plenty in a cupboard somewhere..it hasn't been used up on many trophies in the past few years.

STANDING UP......

HENRIK'SBHOY

you forgot about SHaun Maloney and Terry Butcher ..both didn´t play for the country of their birth

Curly

R11CLY, is on offer for 50 cents! Job lot would be around $10.

I'll recognise you, I'm sure.

Off to watch Max and Paddy!

.

Paul67....Gets Big Joe-esque....

o1specialbranchCSC

Scotlands shame

So after Murray advising that sectarianism actually only comes in 3rd in resepct of Scotlands Shame can we expect TFOD jokers to update their repertoire to include regular rendition of "Who eat all the pies" "Roll out the Barrel" "Lip up Fatty" and all the jibes about aids and drugs that used to be aimed at the Edinburgers a few years ago.

By gallagher on October 10, 2008 12:11 PM
JohnnyClash

Whilst i agree with your point RE McGeady and McCarthy i think their respective decisions say a lot more about Scottish society than your average Scot can bear to contemplate.
Why is it that these players feel more of a pull towards their grandparents home country than the one in which they were born in?
Surely it's not because they've grown up feeling unwelcome in the best small country in the world because of the very heritage i've just mentioned!

Will Murry now tackle Scotland's shame, by getting rid of those horrible half time greasy pies and replacing them with a nice Salad.

Awe Nawe, ha! :-) I need to save that one “you ponce in here expecting...”

Getting better and better Paul.

On a side, but related, issue:

Rev.Mike McC. You decide… is he for real.

Simply the Best

The Ten Most Important games in the History of Celtic;

1/1892 Celtic 5 Queens Park 1, Scottish Cup final replay, at Ibrox Park, Glasgow.

The game was replayed after the first game, with Celtic winning 1-0,was abandoned due to 'crowd encroachment'

The first of many trophies, in what was then the more important competition against the premier team in Scotland at the time.

The balance of power in Scottish football was now going to tilt towards Brother Walfrid's bhoys..

2/1938 Celtic 1 Everton 0,Empire Exhibition Trophy final, at Ibrox Park, Glasgow. A rare opportunity to play competitive football against England's top teams was grabbed by Celtic with both hands.

3/1953 Celtic 2 Hibernian 0 Coronation Cup final, Hampden Park, Glasgow.

Again teams from England were invited. Celtic's victory was unexpected, as some critics felt they were only in the competition to' boost the gates'. In the next season Celtic won the Double, suggesting that the Coronation Cup winners were a very good footballing side.

4/1957 Celtic 7 [seven] Rangers 1 Scottish League Cup final, Hampden Park, Glasgow

Oh, Hampden in the sun.. and the warmth of those memories had to keep the Support warm for many years to come..

5/ 1965 Celtic 3 Dunfermline 2 Scottish Cup final, Hampden Park, Glasgow.

Only six weeks previously Jock Stein, the captain of the Coronation Cup and 53-4 Double winning teams, had been appointed manager at Celtic Park. Billy Mcneill, who is Stein's captain and most trusted lieutenant in the Years of Glory, scores a dramatic late winner.

The silverware drought is to become a flood..

6/1967 Celtic 2 Internazionale 1, European Cup Final, Estadio Nacional,Lisbon.

One Star means more..

7/1998 Celtic 2 St Johnstone 0 Scottish Premier League, Celtic Park Glasgow.

In his one and only season in charge Wim Jansen wins the title and prevents another Glasgow team winning'10-in-a-row'.

After going into an early lead through Henrik Larsson the crowd endure an afternoon of skull-splitting tension until the roar which greets Harald Brattbakk's second, league clinching goal uncorks champagne across the planet

8/ 2000 Celtic 1 Inverness Caledonian Thistle 3 Scottish Cup

This game had to be rescheduled after part of the roof on the Lisbon Lions stand came away before kick-off on the Saturday.
The roof then fell in completely on the' Dream Team' of John Barnes and Kenny Dalglish, not helped by poor league form including the squandering of a two goal lead at home in a defeat to Hearts. Barnes' exit leads to the appointment of Martin O'Neill

9/2003 Celtic 2 Porto 3 UEFA Cup Final, Olympic Stadium, Seville

If Lisbon in 1967 was the finest day in the Club's history then Seville belongs to the Support; even though the team played very well in what was an ultimately unsuccessful bid for a further European trophy.

Even now it seems difficult to accept that we went through the 2002-03 season without winning anything.

10/2008 Dundee United 0 Celtic 1 Scottish Premier league, Tannadice, Dundee

Tommy Burns Thursday

'More than a Club'

Anyways, just my selection.

I'm sure there should be more games included from before WW2

Murray is right. If you offered me a) 5 tubs of curried lard, b) 2 grams of smack along with a quarter ounce of Amsterdams finest, and c) a season ticket for Bileville, I know what two i`d go for. (if I could get off the couch) Shame.

A thought regards "foreign " players and a link to TRS.

Would TFOD consider singing TRS at Hapden tommorrow aimed at ridding the national team of ancestors of immigrants.

I thinks theres a fair few in the current squad

Also on SDMs version of Scotlands Shame - I seem to remember reading a couple of years ago that on the launch of a new shirt the Rankers shops very quickly ran out of size XXXL shirts and had to place an urgent order with the manufacturer.

Perhaps Minty should start to put his won house in order on both the obesity and sectarian issues not to mention the "smoking in the lavvies" issue that they are well on top off.

Burnley '78

I spend a lot of my social time in the company of O.A's and I have to say that they are the keenest of keen in talking about the 'old days' when they represented the College at Rugby and, as time goes bye, they would convince you that a Scotland cap was just around the corner. However, I know the truth! They were only interested in the booze, the stories about the punch-ups, the glorious defeats, the lack of women, the 'pleasure' of getting one of 'bills' from Phillipson, etc.

I do think the inference (perhaps?)about some sort of discrimination would not hold up as none of the guys in my era were ever good enough to move beyond Uni rugby.

P.S. all good guys I must add even macjay!

There's more than one kind of bankruptcy. Seems Rangers might be trying for all of them.

Yarranabbe Bhoy -

Only 50 cents? There's defaltion for you!!

Right guys, leaving the office now, then heading down to Glasgow this evening for a kilt-wearing weekend with a few glasses of sweet sherry.

No internet access until Sunday / Monday.

Y'all have a nice weekend, y'hear!

Curly

loumacarisbettingslip

I'll need to change my moniker now.

Moonbeams half of a wet dream.

loumacarisbettingslip,

Murray's quotes are the usual spin - and slightly different from what the City Council says:

M: "Glasgow City Council are finally ready to transfer land to the club"

GCC: "dispose of its land holdings to RFC subject to receiving full market value" Sell not transfer!

M: ""We have a masterplan"

GCC: "Prior to committing the substantial financial resources required to undertake the detailed technical work necessary to develop a stadium precinct masterplan plan," You don't have a masterplan yet.

M: "We are assured the plans will be approved by Glasgow Council"

GCC: "Notes that a further report outlining the full terms of the option agreement, and the proposed development timescales will be brought back to Committee for consideration in due course." That's not approval!

So he needs to prepare a masterplan, apply for outline planning consent, get that approved, find funding partners (In this economic climate!), prepare a detailed planning application, do the necessary public consultation, get planning approval, put the financial package together and then start construction.

But the delay is the Council's fault!

macjay - DD is a legend, you must be a very old Bhoy indeed if you went to school with him! ;)

gallagher - I think most people in central Scotland from an Irish Catholic family background will have experienced sectarian abuse at some point, quite apart from the summer gauntlet of anti-Catholic, anti-Irish bigot parades. Frankly I'm surprised more Scots of Irish descent haven't chosen to play for Ireland over the years.

Inkybhoy :- Since 2000 we have taken three leagues, four Scottish Cups and four League Cups. While this is nowhere near what I would like it's hardly been a semi permanently empty trophy cabinet.

Burnley @ 12.04
Some time back,philvisreturns,in relation to spelling or grammar,described himself as dandivers C.S.C.
Had hoped to catch his attention while was "on".
dd and Phil Crampsey brought a team out here for a rugby tour.
For me ,a marvellous reunion.
At various times,referance has been made to dd,and various other personalities,particularly Phil`s uncle Bob.
Jim Craig`s son,I know played for Scotland at rugby.
Cheers.

celticlover - It was my great pleasure to represent the D team, or as we called ourselves, the "All Stars" at Rugby. Shivering on a frozen Millerston and being pummelled by bigger kids was never my idea of sport. Neither were the swimming sessions at the decrepit Arlington Baths, at which we always seemed to have the misfortune of being just in after the geriatric session.

Gordon J

You will be in a good mood today - looked bad until the 2 run homer - but thats the beauty of the game. Congrats

Good points on the conflict in statements - one other point I see in Murrays statement from Loumacarisbetting slip post at 12.09

"We have a masterplan that will HOPEFULLY give financial benefit to Rangers"

Aye right dave - Im quite hopeful CFC will win the CL and 10 in a row and that TFOD will go out of business. Old Mrs Jinks put 2 lines on the Lotto every week and is hopeful she will win the Jackpot one day soon

HopesanddreamsCFC

Edward u also forgot the worst fans in europe award for your trophy room !

Ed

It was a poor pay off line, but what else was I going to do!
Since 2000, Celtic have won more titles, and as we all know, that's the big domestic key to the Euro door.

STANDING UP

Macjay,

Coming out to Sydney next week for a holiday. Will you be in any of the celtic supporting pubs watching the Man U game?

playfusbal4dguilders

Philvis
A`m no that bloody old.
Just off out to pick up my youngest,who has,apparently had a grog or three.
senex c.s.c.

jinkysboy,

The Dodgers definitely had the best of the first five innings and could have been more than 2 - 0 up. But that's how the Phillies have been doing it: keep it close and let the hitters do their thing. I was feeling pretty good when I went to bed at 4am!

Game 2 is tonight at 9pm our time. There's an awful lot still to happen in this series, I think.

one more time seen its Friday

... Imagine Murray with microphone in hand

There may be trouble ahead
But while there's moonbeams, excuses
and lack of finance
Let's play our part in this farce

Before the Diddler has fled
Before they ask us to pay the bill
And while we still
lack the finance
Let's play our part in this farce

Soon
We'll be without the loon
Humming a diff'rent tune ;-)
And then

There may be teardrops to shed
So while there's moonbeams, excuses
and lack of finance
Let's play our part in this farce
Farce
Let's play our part in this farce

do do do do do rooh

Edward

Did the Rangers Fans not win the "UEFA Fair Play" award last year?

Henriksbhoy :- I can't recall us being awarded that trophy :-)
While I'm one of the first to condemn many of the action of a section of the Rangers support I don't believe we are anywhere near the worst in Europe. We don't smuggle motorbikes into the ground so we can drop them on fans in the stand below, we don't launch flares at fans in the stand opposite, we don't have a league day cancelled due to murder of police.
We do have a problem and a big one but nothing in comparison to some of the Eastern European or Italian fans.
This isn't to try and claim in any way that the Rangers support are all angels I know they aren't and that we have a rotten core of bigots in the support.

Breaking News

Chelsea taking legal action against the Norwegain team Linn and looking to get the transfer fee (£16m) from the transfer of John Obi Mikel in 2006. Apparently he was not registered as a player with the club and their chairmen has been done for fraud.

SDM is currently reviewing the situation and has instructed his lawyers to demand the refund of £12m from Chelsea from the transfer of Tore Andre Flo on a similar argument as he was never a player either

Clever statement from Murray.

Faced with his deputy's statement that the Racist Song was just a bit of banter he would have been mortified if this song had been referred to directly as he simply could not have taken the same line as Bain but he managed to shift the emphasis away from RACISM in which Rangers are unique and on to SECTARIANISM where it can be argued they are but the other side of the coin.

RACISM has clearly defined characteristics and penalties in law whereas SECTARIANISM does not.

It was worth taking the media hit by admitting sectarian behaviour from a minority of the Rangers support to divert media attention away from the real issue of racism from the massed Ibrox choir.

Big Nan,

Genuine question.

you sure that sectarianism does not have specific legislation in place. I reckon it does but the Scottish authorities are loathed to use them akin to taking their finger out of the dyke but I could well be wrong.

Edward you may not of done any of that YET, but youse rioted in Manchester attackin innocent people and people doing their job(police) after youse got gubbed in Ueaf Cup, have stabbed people in stadium(Zenit fan) Rioted with cops in stadium(Osasuna), Smashed up opposition team bus in their own city and got fined for singing filth in same city(Villareal) and destroyed Bracelona and have now ruined it for any other visiting fan going there now. That is all in the past 3 year alone and in my account in the WORST in europe !

I have been trawling back and noticed some reference to James Traynor but not his actual words re. the TFOS. Any chance of an update.

Is he a racist or a racist apologist?

Edward

You exaggerate the Milan problem greatly - it wasnt a motorbike - just a Vespa scooter. And as the smoking ban kicked in big time here a few years ago and as Alan preston pointed out the Ibrox Prefects have stubbed this problem out and any other fire realted issues. I could also point out theres not much flair at Ibrox but the stage left at midday.

Om a serious note I remember just a few years ago 2 Celtic fans being killed in separate incidents in the near vicinity of Hampden following an old firm final. Surely at least as big a crime as killing one policeman.

I, winningemmell, being of unsound mind, AM Scotland's Shame

Moonbeams,

he´s an apology for a human being.

Does that answer your question ?

Paul67

reference WGs post @ 12.57

I hope the Charity Event has random "dope" tests and a paramedic standing by to administer CPR

ANNAOAN

aye, but I still like to know exactly what he said as I somehow missed it even though I am on here day in day oot.

No WG, I Tully57, being a Fat Fenian Junkie am Scotland's Shame.

Henriksbhoy :- As I said I don't try and pretend that the Rangers support are all angels, I do recognise the violence and mayhem that can accompany sections of our support, however we will have to agree to differ on the worst in Europe.

Jinkysboy :- As a lover of puns you should be taken out and shot for the flair one lol.
On a more serious note, the killing of two Celtic fans is twice the crime that the killing of a policeman is, I wouldn't try and defend that murderous behaviour in any way at all.

Narrowbhoat -

TGITW will return this evening.

No-one seems to be missing it so I was thinking, should I persist ?

I could write scathingly about our enemies forever.

WG

WG..........seconded.

Moonbeams, he said something along the lines of 'there are worse things to worry about than that song. If you think this country is so bad and bigotted why don't you just leave'.

Or words to that effect.

The man is a piece of excrement.

Moonbeams

Isn't there enough to worry about without beating ourselves up over a line in a song?

Sep 22 2008 James Traynor

WHAT? You are not offended by the Famine Song? Sorry, but you are a racist.

If your anger doesn't simmer at the very sound of this ditty then you, my friend, are as bad as the people singing it.

You, too, are tainted by a hatred of Irish Catholics.

That's the logic applied to this little number being belted out by some Rangers fans.

And you will detest it.

You will abhor it. You will write to your MSPs, MPs, UEFA, FIFA, the EU and the Vatican.

This is the most divisive, anti-social and downright malicious trend to be visited upon us yet.

God Almighty, what next?

Falkirk can't be called the Bairns because it might encourage paedophiles to buy season tickets.

Dundee United shall no longer be known as the Arabs in case it inflames problems in the Middle East.

Hibernian's ground will have to be renamed so that other religions are not offended.

Queen of the South can't be called Queens because Republicans and gays will be upset.

Dumbarton must have a complete name change as it could be deemed derogatory to people of limited intelligence.

And that brings us back to the offenders and the offended.

There are old folk among us who might freeze to death this winter because we are all being held to ransom by the power companies.

There are young families who will lose their homes because greedy bankers and lenders were allowed to vandalise the global financial system.

And depending on where you live or how much you have saved you might die because some authorities will not pay for life-saving medication.

These are outrageous. They are national disgraces and should shame every one of us.

So please, don't tell me a line in a song about the decade-long potato famine that made people flee Ireland in their tens of thousands in the middle of the 19th century is what we should be beating ourselves up about.

The Great Famine was a terrible time and it was a disgrace that so many people were allowed to starve to death or die from related diseases but surely we have more going on around us today which demands such levels of disgust.

You know what, a great many of us are sick and tired of the ridiculous behaviour of groups of Old Firm fans, who aren't even interested in the game any more.

The only points they seek are the ones they believe they collect every time they run clyping to a politician.

The line that seems to have offended a number of Celtic fans is something like: "The famine is over, why don't you go home?"

It's supposed to have enraged one fan so much he put in a complaint that had Irish diplomats raise concerns with the Scottish government.

Unbelievable, but if any politician even attempts to tell Rangers' fans to drop it we'll be entering into dangerous times that will threaten our right to free speech. This line is not inciting violence against anyone and it isn't celebrating the fact one million people died because of potato blight in the 1840s.

If anything the line is mocking the often cloyingly sentimental longing of Celtic fans for the old country and if you accept that's all it is then it might even border on humorous.

Actually, if some top comedian,a Billy Connolly or a Frankie Boyle had said something similar everybody would have been slapping their thighs.

So when did the gallows humour of the terracing, which for decades has made us all smile by cutting right through pomposity and politically-correct boundaries, become such a terrible thing?

Look, if Celtic and their fans wish to hang on to and protect their Irish heritage to the point where it actually seems mawkish that is absolutely fine. No one has any right to insist they celebrate their Scottishness instead and, of course, that should mean they have no right to impose their will on others.

And why is it a shock to them that Rangers fans will react in some way? Is it really surprising the other lot see this Irishness as anti-British?

If only we could all just be Scottish and proud, too. Like many Scots I have fairly strong Irish roots but Ireland isn't my country and never will be.

I'm sorry if that insults anyone but I am not offended by someone who doesn't share my view or does not believe that one day we will be a thoroughly decent, modern and thriving nation.

Somehow I cannot see why this line should offend. And don't start sloshing in that bilge about how big a race crime it would be if people were singing our immigrant communities should go home because the troubles have subsided in their own countries.

There are some who believe they shouldn't be here in the first place and that we should never allow in asylum seekers but these people are probably racist.

However, if any of these groups took to gathering regularly in sporting arenas to sing and long for their homelands and the old ways they, too, might be mocked.

But it wouldn't necessarily be racist. It's called freedom of speech. It is a fundamental right that must be protected.

We don't all have to support what is said but we should back the right to say it, provided it is not overtly racist, sectarian or likely to incite violence.

There is a piousness about some Celtic fans and it's as if this support can do no wrong.

They seem to have adopted a holier than thou attitude yet I have not heard one person who claims to be upset by that Famine Song line speaking out against those who sing in support of the IRA or of Nacho Novo catching a bullet.

Neither have they spoken out about the twisted people who indulge in the most disgusting and horrible chat on fans' message boards.

Those are what I call offensive but even so I would rather have that than live in a place where we are not allowed to open our mouths.

In retaliation to the Novo threats, Rangers fans contacted Spanish authorities and that was just as bizarre as the Celtic fan's complaint to an Irish politician about a stupid song.

Strathclyde Police should have dealt with the threats to Novo because they were of a violent nature and those Celtic fans on their imaginary moral high ground should have been more alarmed at that behaviour than anything else.

So, to all those, of any religion or race, who think Scotland is such a bad, twisted place full of bigots and racists there is only one thing to say.

Go.

Go on, just gather up your prejudices, take your suspicions and pack your loathing of Scotland.

Go find a better place to live and leave us to get on with the job of making something good of this country.

WinningGemmell :- I thought the delay in the next episode was caused by the recovery of your beloved gonk in the last thread :-)
You have to keep it going you can't leave us all hanging on never knowing what happens to all involved :-)

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Jinkysboy....Ed....

Wis it No.... UEFA.... Flair Players.... Award....

o1entertainingfitbarusRFC

O1bhoy :- What has trouser styles got to do with it? :-)

Is this a St.Als reunion day or what?

I think both the Craig lads played for Scotland. James was in my class and most certainly did. Nicky was the year below and think he may have.

Good old Dan Divers introduced me to the joys of classical music - what a man.

SAW CSC

winningemmell
keep it comming all waiting on the piercing or not

playfusbal4dguilders @12:39
the sydney celtic supporters club will be meeting for the man u game in the Cheers bar on george st in the sydney cbd if you want to watch among good brethren

AP State GA
Top news stories > AP State GA Friday, Oct 10, 2008
Posted on Thu, Oct. 09, 2008print email Scots and Irish meet after 100- year hiatus
By MARY LANDERS - Savannah Morning News --

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Maybe we should take a leaf out of this book, albeit a bit more often and begin to disentangle the orange threads in our collective Celtic tapestry.

SAVANNAH, Ga. --Once every hundred years, the Scots and the Irish in Savannah get together for a drink.

This century, the event occurred Wednesday night at the Savannah International Trade and Convention Center.

The Irishmen of the Hibernian Society and the Scotsmen of the Saint Andrew's Society (and we do mean men - these are all-male clubs) met for dinner, where kilts mixed with tuxedos at each table. So did Jameson Irish whiskey and Dewar's Scotch whiskey. A former Irish prime minister who now counts the Scottish people among those he represents was the main speaker.

Bagpipes and drums opened the celebration with "The Wearing of the Green" and "Scotland the Brave."

Then the Most Rev. J. Kevin Boland, bishop of Savannah, gave the invocation.

"... and especially bless the haggis, which to those with Scottish blood is a blessing unto itself, but to those of us not so privileged is a gastronomical miracle of mysterious ingredients," Boland prayed in his County Cork brogue.

The two societies' first get-together in 1908 came about by coincidence. At the time, they discovered they were meeting separately at the same place - Savannah's Hussars Club.

This time around, the camaraderie was planned. Eugene McCracken, a member of both societies with paternal Scottish descent and maternal Irish descent, proposed the idea to mark the centennial of the previous event.

"Do you know what it's like being born half Scotch and half Irish?" he asked, in an obvious set up. "It's being born wanting a drink and being too cheap to go buy one."

But while such friendly ribbing was one order of the evening, there was a serious message, too. John Bruton, a former Irish prime minister and current European Union ambassador to the U.S., was the keynote speaker.

Both Ireland and Scotland have messages of great relevance to current turmoil, he said.

Scotland offers the great economist Adam Smith, known as a proponent of free markets, but who also preached that those markets would work only with "good moral sentiment" between people.

"There's been a breakdown in trust," Bruton said. "After all, credit is all about trust."

From the Irish, there are two lessons from a peace accord reached just 10 years ago, he said. First, you get peace by putting yourself in your antagonist's shoes. And second, to achieve peace, you have to talk to people you don't like.

Bruton, a personal friend of Saint Andrew's Society secretary Howard Morrison, began the evening with his own show of unity: The former Irish prime minister had a drink of Scotch.

Recent Comments

James Traynor

To take him to task on just one point he made (im sure most have been covered elsewhere) the said Billy Connolly made a joke in October 2004 about Liverpuddlian hostage Ken Bigley - saying why dont they get on with it (similarities to Why dont you go home)

He was subsequently widely slated and I believe had to apologise for his poor taste - and rightly so

But Mr Traynor has either a short or selective memory - wonder which eh!

.

Edward....Minty....Scotlands Shame.... et al....

Did Sir Minty Not Quote.... Alcoholism as Scotland's Shame....

So Not....

Tooo

Disparage....

People Who End Up Legless @ The Weekend....

o1bhoy

i'll Get My Straighjacket....

Paul (everyone)

Roll forward to 5:04 on the video where Cleese says "Typical, typical and then goes on a rant about all he has done for his guests. Sounded to me just like Murray's attack on those Rangers fans who serve Rangers up on a plate.

Article in tonights ET

SIR David Murray has admitted Rangers could take over the running of the club shops again if JJB goes bust.

Murray defended the Ibrox club's decision to hand the rights to sell official Gers merchandise to the chain of sports shops in an £18million deal at the AGM yesterday.

However, the millionaire businessman has admitted he has been unhappy with the company's performance and revealed there is a Plan B' which will see the Glasgow giants regain control.

He said: "Financially, the JJB deal is still a good one. The payments are spread over 10 years and that guarantees the club £1.8 million a year. There are other elements to it as well.

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"However, there is no doubt JJB are not keeping their side of the bargain. There is a problem there. There has to be a question mark over the long-term viability of the company.

"I still think it was a good deal, but we have a Plan B to take ownership back into the club. That will only happen if JJB go out of business."

I think many are missing the SDM point here.

He has condemned as bile website activity amongst the shameful. What he's referring to here is not TFS but criticism of him and his management.

I like the bit in his 'masterplan speech' where he identifies easy planning and activity going into the east end and how his masterplan is going to balance things up, but then goes on to say that all this will ensure financial return as funds raised will go to RFC and no-one else.

So no great commonwealth/city feeling about benefit there then!

Also, in what way is CFC expected to benefit from any of the proposed developmnents in the east end? Or perhaps that was his snyde point, that although there will be much development in the east end CFC won't be getting any beans from it.

For every 5 commonwealth games developments in the east end we'll build 10 in Govan (on our own without any help cos no one likes us we don't care)!

ha ha. Don't you just love when the Big Whale is hurting!

Finally;

Nobody said the S word was Scotland's Shame. It was Scotland's SECRET shame, nudge nudge, roll up ma trews, shake my hand you know what I mean.

Bad diet, health and drugs in Scotland are bad. No, definitely not, not much of a SECRET there, David.

Tully57 -

JOE HARPER is Scotland's Shame

Has SDM dyed his hair??

He seems a shade or two lighter than in previous years, a hue of strawberry blonde possibly?

What with Moonbeams blonde rinse, Bain's perma-tan and Gordon Smith's ridiculous hair piece it seems Scotland's Shame is middle aged (orange) men trying to look young!!

benjybhoy,

Does Gordon Smith honestly wear a hair piece ?

Awe naw

Where you been - everybody knows GS weres a rug

Jinky

I thought it was that spray on hair that Andrew Mc Neil uses.

Never trust a vain man.

Awe naw

Agreed -

But surely it suits his "role" covering up the truth

If we are going to have a pretty boy with no brain fronting the SFA can we not find one that doesn´t wear a wig ? I mean he can be as baldy as Jim Farry as far as I´m concerned I´m not baldist but this is the main reason why he is a commercial disaster. First rule of being a salesman is to lose the wig.

Two interesting things about yesterday. Murray's attempts at deflection and Gordon Smith saying clubs who have tried everything should not be punished. On top of this the Chief Cop says that there are too many folk singing the song for the police to act and its a club problem.

Apart from Smith commemting on something the SPL has responsibility for, enforcing SPL rules, when taken together points to a strategy of denial and powerlessness. "We did everything" (but condemn the song as racist)and they still sing it.

Now if I was holding a party which included folk from other countries and decided I did not want anyone to attend whom had been shown visible signs of being racist I simply would not invite them. Their friends might argue they were OK really, just a bit of banter but they were unwilling to give it up but I would be quite within my rights to say they could behave as the like, but not at my party.

The "We have done everything we can" and "nothing works/powerless" argument, if accepted by Scottish Football Authorities will only save Rangers from local action but should expose them to exclusion from European competitions next season.

The focus should now shift to the SPL, who have still to rule on Boruc's one fingered salute against a background of 7000 singing TFS. Its all gone quiet over there.

Well worth the watch.

Retro Lubo

I'd rather be a fat junkie than a Hun:)

Jinksyboy

Paul will not thank you for one of your comments about Derek Johnstone.

Curly,

Changes in the exchange rate I guess! In these strange times there may be opportunities for fortunes to be made...in buying registration plates in OZ!

I'm waiting for 'KylieM1' and NicoleandTom' to hit rock bottom before I bid!

Anyhooos, whilst we are waiting on some decent club football..and in particular some Champions League football, we should continue to have a laugh, it's our right...and it would seem things can only get better unless we *uck it up. *=m to avoid Paul's ASBO!

Will say again. Ed, your posts are the business and add to this site. Lang may your lumb reek!

Kitalba

Sheer magic

Afternoon, so when i was walking away from the Broomloan Rd, i was being abused 'cos of my weight ? Aye Right !! If your that bothered about it Mr Murray, why don't you invest in Weightwatchers or help out at the local addictions team. Maybe you do, it's just they don't need the spin right now. I fully intend to take my large self to the fives... donning sackcloth and ashes to apologise for my disgraceful shape and presentation, all-the- while giving out badges to those more deserving who dont want me here at all!! Aye its a funny old world

Celtic First

You have lost me there bud

playfusbal 12.39
I`ll probably watch at home with my son.Setanta or CH 67.
Work committments etc.However, keep in touch if you have any problems getting organised for the gemme.
PJ`s option may well be the one you would prefer.

pjinoz,

many thanks will cu i cheers. i'm staying in the "Rocks" so that no too far to waddle home thru rush hour traffic
is it around a 5am kick off?

playfusbal4dguilders

Kitalba, cheers.

DBBIA, good call.

Jinkysboy, good point.

Auldheid, indeed.

Jinksybhoy, I tend to agree with CF. Comments about individuals need to well short of slander.

.

Where is Big Jose....

o1espaniaporfavourSCS

Paul 67

Im lost on that - honestly.

A bit of banter is not slander - but its your ball mate and so i bow to your better judgement.

sid waddell quoting Kevin Barry last night on the darts anyone?!?
Marvellous!

DD

All Time Celtic XI;

Playing 2-3-5 but funnily enough struggling to field a leftback

GK- JThompson 'the Prince'

FB- AMcnair 'the Icicle'; made his debut in 1904, left Celtic in 1925 at the age of 41, having played more league games and enjoyed the longest playing career of any Celt

FB- DMcgrain- in his prime the complete fullback.

HB- BMurdoch-a true maestro in conducting the Lions, with an unsurpassed range of passing.

HB- JKelly . The Clubs first captain, his signing was crucial in giving the new club credibility

HB- PMcstay- for too many years jinxed to be 'the good player in a bad team', he's good enough on his own merots to feature here

FWD- JJohnstone 'the Flying Flea'

FWD- PGallagher'the Mighty Atom'

These two are the supreme entertainers of their day, marrying breathtakingly impudent skill with bravery, their apparent fragility belying a steely determination to pick themselves up and take on their less- skilled tormentors.

FWD -HLarsson 'the King of Kings' Head and shoulders above any other player to wear the Hoops since joining the Club from Feyenoord. Goals,hardwork,assists, goals and more hardwork.

FWD -JQuinn. The first [of many] great centreforward; fast, strong and fearless.

FWD -JMcgrory. The greatest of them all. His goalscoring records will never be broken

Anyways, some great names there, and some great names absent.

Can anyone tell me why Glasgow City Council should just give this prime development land to RFC. Why not just sell it on the open market and allow murray holdings to bid for it. It's not as if MHolding are doing this for the good of the community there stated aim is to bring all profits back into RFC.

play

Don’t let UEFA see this:

Spain deploys their riot police.

Celtic fans disgrace Scotland (and Ireland)

Rubbish - I can't disagree with that team!

Winningemmell

If you are going to end TGITW don't do a "Twin Peaks" please tie up all the storylines, maybe do a "Sopranos" have Duffield in Ramsay's restuarant you or SOAL go to the toilet while "Careful with that Axe Eugene" is playing in the background, you are writing from Duffield's perspective then it goes blank. Then we can have a debate on CQN of what actually happened to Duffield.

Narrowbhoat Macaroon Fondant CSC

ANNAOAN

cheers for that. The man is an apologist creton as well as a racist.

kitalba
Aye... don't let that get out, could become infectious

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CIA....

Cliff Richard sang for the UK in the Eurovision song contest.........even though he was born in India. Didn't hear to many complaints then

My dear,dear,dear,dear,dear,dear,friend... Jinksyboy

Jist goat in frae the jiggin'

Now..let's see...dum,dum,dum..dee .. dee...

Oh~ I goat it!

The Subject is Wigs, Rugs,Toupees,Hats, Helmets..and Tea Cosies,
their Kith n Their Kin.

Unknown to most, but not to me...
listen my chilun.. and apprised,ye'll be!

Mr. Murray, wears a WIG.

Surprised,ye hiv nevah noticed, but He do,do.. He really,really, do~

Pierre, wears a Wig... sure he does..

Clinton, wears..a.. well.. he actually, he wears a Tea Cosy. didnae ye know that?..not a wig,nor a rug.. He goes all the Way.. Tea Cosy!

George Bush~ ye bet, he as well... He disnae wear a Wig.. he settles fur a Toupee..stylish, but not indetectible.

Gordon Smith? He wears a full blown Hat.. a wee bit under done.. but, a Hat, nevertheless.

I could go on for another Ten Minutes,with this Material..

Howevahhhhh...

I'm done.

Kojo.
yer pal.. who likes ye.

Further to what I sdaid eralier on focusing on the SPL:....

On the main topic of TFS/TRS and how to stop it the focus needs to be placed now - on the SFA and SPL.

These questions need to be asked of the SPL.

Do they agree with what Gordon Smith has said about not punishing clubs who have tried everything?

Is this the SPL policy too and, if so, are they going to change their rules to reflect this policy?

When are the SPL going to pass judgement on the Artur Boruc one fingered salute at CP?

In passing that judgement will they also be passing judgement AT THE SAME TIME on the club whose fans behind Boruc can be heard singing in large numbers a song classified as racist and which they had already been informed (according to the statement issued by Ranger's Chief Executive M Bain) was racist.

Will subsequent incidents of the singing of TFS AFTER Rangers had issued leaflets warning them of consequences (Easter Rd and Paisley), consequences that the police are now saying they cannot enforce, also be taken into account when deciding what action to take?

In failing to take timeous action are the SPL not risking intervention by UEFA that will damage not just Scottish Football but Scotland itself by showing our inability to police ourselves?

Whether this goes to the SPL or not these questions need to be voiced as often as possible and at every opportunity so that sooner or later they are heard and decisive action is taken to stop TFS/TRS being sung. Not acting is not an option for The Scottish Football Authorities both SFA and SPL.

macjay, James Craig did indeed get a cap for Scotland; he was in my class at St Als

AMDG CSC

TMC- I'm sure this truce won't last long!

Anyways, meant to add that James Kelly is my captain and Jock Stein is the Manager. With a full Celtic Park roaring them on they would beat allcomers; typically 9-0[ Mcgrory 3, Quinn 3 Larsson 3]

I know poetry day was yesterday but I'm kind of getting into it now. I am going to start wearing cravats and staring into the distance

For twenty years Sir David ruled and ne’er a question uttered
The Huns were smart, knew where it’s at and the side their bread was buttered
Succulent lamb and tens for fives meant acquiescent orcies
The Darnel were too daft to know Sir Dave was telling porkies

The promise of domestic bliss was put to sleep by Jansen
Their songs went on, but now forlorn, and we were doing the dancing
So Davie spent to build a team of Champions League contenders
But here’s the catch, he failed to match Europe’s real big spenders

So no Big Cup or glory day (like we had with the Lions)
But Davie couldn’t see the signs and still he went a buyin’
He racked up debts with friendly banks (It’s fine, son, don’t you worry”)
Alas the friendly bank has tanked...alas for David Murray.

Now everyone, including Dave, wants him to find a buyer
The RST is making claims that Dodgy Dave’s a liar
The orcs themselves are catching on that Davie Boy’s no saviour
But when will Dave come out and slate their racist bad behaviour?

Let’s hope Lloyds Bank don’t act too rash and force an Ibrox crisis
It’s not my wish to see the Hun carved into little slices
It does not give me any joy if they’re brought to their knees by strangers
It’s much more fun in every game that WE destroy the Rangers

Kojo

Smoke and Mirrors with SDM - the magician takes our attention elsewhere and we miss the trick

I always thought one of your neighbours wore a really bad one - MR Trump. is this the case

Yeah a long list could be drawn including some classics like Burt Reynolds

I work in a factory where all the guys must wear hard hats - one gent is well known to wear a rug under his and - I had never heard of this before - has various rugs of different lengths to give the illusion his hair is growing longer

One famous story - the lads were having a game of fitba on lunch and he was standing aside watching and eating his peice. the ball hits him in the head and is deflected on to his piece - knocking it from his hand.

A quandary - he likes his grub - does he grab his piece or keep his rug on his heed. at the end of the day he did manage neither and was left a tad red faced with a sguinty wig and a dirty sandwich.

Celtic_First

I had a wee gander at Kitalbas link to the Villareal fans reaction to our visit. Looked great but as I am not my brother and it was in Spanish can you or any other "old" students translate. Also, any translations on what the Spanish press reported following the game?

Gracias......de un lingüista pobre.

Thanks for sharing that clip Kitalba

A couple of quotes from the Villareal fans:

" They ( the celtic support ) showed us how to be friends. "

" They ( the celtic support ) are like us, people of prestige"

Our ghuys and ghals are not only ambassadors for our club but for the countries which they come from. Countries whose inhabitants are not always so appreciated in Spain.

Gracias Amigo.

Cadizzy- a bit of classic career advice more Pythons

Cadizzy

It is a day late but IMHO that wins first prize - a cravat , a comfy pair of slippers and one of Donald Findlays old pipes.

All it needs is a chorus and a melody and we could have a wee singalong to that one.

playfusbal4dguilders,

GCC is not giving land to Murray - they have agreed to give him the option to buy land at the current market value.

I have a number plate for sale: BALD1

I'm sure there are a few on here who will snap it up, Curly?.

Our works Friday Joke:

Two young ladies knocked my door the other night. When I answered it they asked me whether I liked white or brown bread. I told them white bread. Then for some 30 minutes they proceeded to lecture me on the virtues of brown bread and the vices of white bead.

They were the Hovis Witnesses.

coat,hat and scarf at the ready!!

Once A Bhoy
Sorry, I haven't listened as I'm in work, but you can take Rimtimtim's translations to the bank.

I just watched the pictures, singing 'Amigos para siempre' in my head.

Jinkysboy,thank you but I'll forego the pipe, if you don't mind,for the obvious health reasons...I know where it's been

DBBIA
"Hampstead wasn't good enough for you. Had to go poncing off to Barnsley." Excellent

Cadizzy

The current owner of the pipe says it gives him all sorts of wonderous powers - wisdom, diplomacy, an air of authority and last but not least it adds to the gentlemans existing good looks.

But if you dont want it we could find another owner who would love these powers

Lubo 1977, any hints as to your name as we were obviously in the same year.

In the ‘twilight-zone’ of International week, before, in our boredom, we all start cyber-castrating each other, just remember this, with or without an acceptable left back, we are three in a row ‘champions', and further, we are now top of the league in the run in to being four in a row ‘champions'.

It is not your birthright to see four in a row, but it is your duty, as Celtic Supporters, to do all that you can, to ensure we achieve our mutual ambition.

Your duty started in August.

What would it be like to achieve such a dream?

Well it would be like THIS... only better. Much better.

Who wants it the most?

Just in case we forget our priorities.

Kitbala,

excellent find sir. For me that clip highlights the major difference between them and us.

When they go abroad, they feel like an invading British army out to control and own the local populus where as when we go abroad we are go looking to enjoy the hospitality of our hosts without agravation.

Modern pipe smokers is rubbish

Jinkysboy, Wisdom? I'm too smart to bother with all that wisdom nonsense.

My dear,dear,dear,dear,dear,dear,friend.. Jinkysboy

Yes, The Donald wears one,as well..

Your workmate is/was not unique.

I was told by a teller of tales out of school.. that ...Now, if you have nevah,evah, hoid of this guy... Stop Me!
His name is...

Donahue.. who has/had/still does, for all I know/..

60 Busbies.. all cut similar to your workmate...that is, cut to varying lengths..

As Donahue had a very popular program, which lasted for many years.. .that explains the large inventory.

He had Wigs that were cut to show a Recent Visit to the Barber,even... quite an astonishing ploy..although, now I come to think about it,The late President Clinton.. no, he has not passed on, he is just a Late President..also had Tea Cosys that were suitably shorn, to represent a recent Hair Cut..

And Ronald Reagan?

Well..... he wore,of course, a Gododarned, HELMET..

Suitable to be worn, in Winds ..Approaching, 67 Miles An Hour!

Kojo
yer pal who likes ye a loat.

Kitalba :- You ask Who want's it the most? I would have to answer that it would be me wanting Rangers to acheive it :-)

St Anne's

I was known (and still am) as Squiggs at school. What about you?

Kitalba

Great clip and good reminder of what its all about. Would also point out - despite his critics - In the 2 CP games Barry Robson looked like a player who wanted it most

Kojo

That would be the talk show host if I am not mistaken. I assume that the colour of the rug also changed over the years.

How hilarious would it be to see a US presidents wig be blown off by the wind !!! Guffaw

Childishbutfunnycfc

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/scotland/7661818.stm

Ostritch........Head............Sand

Minority?????
Getting better?????

Ah gie in.

Ah I see! How goes it mate? Martyn R here.

Ed:

I would expect no less, but both you and I are mere pawns. However, collectively the repective supports might just have a massive part to play.

On a side issue Ed., from a purely ethical perspective, were you satisfied with the performance, or lack there-off, of your chairman and his interpretation of the 'state of the RFC, as reported following your AGM.

Dontbrattbackinanger = backbend ignorant tart

Carla Bruni = crab urinal

Kinda sez it all

Winningemmell.

http://xrl.in/hyr

Modern Anagrams are Rubbish

Look a likeys

Sammy Rass and Ishant Sharma (Indian Seam Bowler) see link

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JgdX-LH4ws

A Rowboat Then Mirth,

not necessarily all of them

The Narrowbhoat Tim,

Modern anagrams are rubbish = A barbarian dons merger hums

Therags

jinkysboy - "However, the millionaire businessman has admitted he has been unhappy with the company's performance and revealed there is a Plan B' which will see the Glasgow giants regain control."

Plan B - Go-go-Gadget-legs!

gathers

Modern anagrams are rubbish = A barbarian dons merger hums

Not bad

jinkysboy:

It is quite well know on here that I am a great supporter of Scott Brown. After Aiden and Artur, he would be the first name on my team-sheet.

However, I also like Barry Robson and think if Alex Ferguson could play Nikky Butt and Paul Scholes in his (sucessful) teams of yore, then Gordon Strachan could do a lot worse than emulate him with Robson and Brown.

Where there's a will and an abundance of skill and attitude... there is a way.

NBT,

just to let you know I am taking it personally ;-) that you haven´t tried to generate an anagram for my handle

Alright, mate!

it's a small world - don't catch up for years then meet on Facebook and CQN in a matter of months!

A barbarian dons merger hums = Mod Barbarians/Huns merger

Cadizzy
A poster that can't be anagramalized

Sir Paul

The Clouds are breaking..

Today..for the foist time.... in weeks and weeks..

The London Interbank Offered Rate on the U.S. Dollar.

DROPPED!

Big News, if this signals, the Trend has at Last Broken.

Thought you would like to know.

Kojo.

Kojo

Great news, but what does it all mean?

Should I be moving into gold?

Awe_Naw

Best I could come up with,

O Anna I wanna, a wanna woo anon now

RRC

Just reading through Wikipedia (it’s Friday) and stumbled on Dara Ó Briain’s page. It ends like this:

“Ó Briain describes himself as an atheist, but "ethnically Catholic": "I’m staunchly atheist, I simply don’t believe in God. But I’m still Catholic, of course. Catholicism has a much broader reach than just the religion. I’m ethnically Catholic, it’s the box you have to tick on the census form: ‘Don’t believe in God, but I do still hate Rangers’"

RRC,

sounds like Franz Ferdinand ;-)

Jinkysboy, I know, but better safe...

Cadizzy, you’ve got a talent there.

Kojo, I’ve been busy today and have not had a chance to check Libor, so thanks for that, I am indeed keen to know.

2008 is already in the bag and most business required for 2009 is already written, but it’s what happens at the margins that can make or break it.

We’ve a big couple of months coming up so I’m hoping for some confidence out there.

Kitalba :- I haven't been happy with his leadership including ethical aspects for some time now. Nothing that he said yesterday changes my mind on that.

Dannybhoy67 :- I'm afraid Pablophanque beat you to it with that one and caused me to make one of my daftest posts ever on this site since then I've listend to a bit more of Mr O'brian and think he is a very funny man.

Celtic supporters can be like any other clubs supporters… fickle. But there is fickle... and there is fickle. Every supporter has his or her favourites and certain Celtic players at times get singled out for derision. Just recently I have been amazed by some comments in cyber-space to question the worth of Shunsuke Nakamura.

What is he worth?

Well watch The 'Humble' Man from Japan

I so hope he stays and picks up one more Champions medal.

For his sake more than mine.

Aw_Naw

LOL
just needs a riff

RRC

ah well Ed, see that Pablophanque! (shakes fist)

Pablophanque = Ban Plaque Hop

Murray is a charlatan and bully.

If he is convinced about Scotland's diet he would instruct his catering firm, who I believe supply Ibrox, to supply only healthy food.
No more Bear pakora and pies.

If he was sincere about drug/alcohol abuse he would do something constructive within the community.

Until Myrray and Rangers accept that they have an issue with racism and sectarianism they will not move on.

It's never Rangers fault.

Villareal and Pamplona, heavy handed policing.
Barcelona, no public toilets and bins.
Manchester, Chelsea casuals and no tellys.
The Racist Song, a small minority who only see it as banter. If we all went home the Loyalists would have something to say.
Slurs on Jock Stein no comment.

For too many Rangers fans a hatred and fear of other cultures is more important than theit own team.

An anagram of anagram is Raga Man

An anagram of waste of time is Fatties Meow

An anagram of modern life is rubbish is Infirm Bluish Bedsore

NoMoreAnagrams CSC

an angram of dad is dad

ANAGRAM

My dear,dear,dear,dear,dear,dear,dear,dear,dear,friend.. Ed.

Pit away they Flaggels, pal..

Ye ur blameless,in that embarrassing matter...ye dinnae know, ye know.

Speaking o' Mr.Murray...well.. on second thoughts..

Ah am no speaking tae Mr. Murray.

I dinnae think anything that he his tae say, is woith listenin' tae.

Speakin oan the Championship Race.

I still expect a very toothy wan, as unlike the prevailing opinion among my comrades..

I think that ye hiv the makings o' a good team, if ye are no careful..

Remember, I said "the Makings".

Howevahhhhhhhh...

I hiv mair than a sneaky...na, its no sneaky...

It's positively, Outre.. feeling, that come January,ye may lose a player or two.

This financial whirlwind will blow doon the House that Lawrence Built..

Ah nevah evah liked they Lawrence's Bungalows much, any way.

Hope I have cheered ye up a bit.

Well, that wiz ma Intention, anyway, nevahdaless, ye know wit' that Primrose Path is paved wi'?..so whit kin ye expect, if ye feel a wee bit woise..

Howevahhhhhhh...

I assure ye my Intentions wur,indeed... Good!

Kojo.
yer pal.. who likes ye a heap,palomine.

Eia deo accinamus
Carmen eucharisticum
Et Gonzagae concinamus etc etc

"Give me the boy and I'll show you the man"

DD is still going strong up in Hill St BTW, but RR just retired

Read in today's press (I know but it was in the office) that Murray commented on ther JJB deal.
He seemed to say that it was worth £1.8 m per year.

I always thought it was a £3 m per year deal as did all the other folk in work including 2 Rangers fans.

Anyone know if this is correct?

dannybhoy67 - everybody hates Rangers. Even animals hate Rangers. Manchester police dogs say they taste "ruff!".

Broxy Bear hates Rangers. The only reason he appears at Ibrox is because he is kept in a small cage and frequently beaten with reeds, and Martin Bain has threatened to make his family into Russian hats if he ever runs away. Sure, Broxy Bear might dance and caper on the pitch at the Darnel, but inside he's crying.

Nothing to do with Celtic but I've just been talking to a young woman who has just completed 3 years nurse training and who can't get a job appropriate to her training because.. there are no jobs.

All together now- modern life is..rubbish, and may be getting rubbisher, no mater what the London Interbank Offered Rate says.

Hiro - there's definitely something of the Mister Chips about DD. He's also one of those teachers that you don't appreciate till you look back on your school years with a bit more maturity, then you realise what a bloody good and dedicated teacher he was.

Back to finance......cos I love it.

RFC= £21.6M debt for 2008
RFC= £30M+ debt for 2009
RFC= No more 2010???

When a "small" business is losing money constantly with no sign of change it is only a matter of time before the administrator is called in.
Given the recognised and for the most part accepted projections above, with no European football this season and more difficult qualifying rules for 2nd place this season. Then, 2010 may indeed be giving them the benefit of the doubt.(Unless the new Govan market takes off????)

Ed, c'mon over to our place, c'mon we're having a party......

Modern LIBOR is rubbish too. The rate may have dropped a little but not as much as share prices. I wanted to flog my Merrill Lynch shares on Ebay but they've told me they have their reputation to uphold and unkindly suggested I took my junk to a car boot sale.

allgreen 4:24

thought it was £3 mill a year for 10 years with £18 of the £30 mil upfront at the start?

Pauls analysis of their accounts talks about £3mill per year plus £1.45 amortisied each year ?

murray doing more smoke and mirrors ? surely not

the word stifle is an anagram of itself

V. interesting point raised by Auldheid ie the admission by senior police officers that they cannot or will not enforce the law of the land as too many Rangers supporters are breaking it with racist songs. This must be a fairly new approach to law enforcement and it may be unique to Scotland.

I think we should know whether Strathclyde Police plan to extend this principle to cover other criminal offences? For example, if a critical mass of Rangers fans murder or rape their fellow citizens will they be immune from prosecution on the grounds that a whole lot of them were doing it?

Allgreen, I noticed the “£1.8m” comment reported in various places and also wondered. They earn £3m cash each year and received £14.5m up front at the start of the 10 year period.

In year one they therefore earned £18m (rounded up). I can only assume that the press were confused and decided to follow the first report, or that Murray was unclear.

Once A Bhoy,
what about the new £350M development, he's spinning moonbeams and looking for backers, can anyone here see anyone being suckered into this, is it his final crack at property development ?
Would any bank back him with his record in property asset management ? If they did what would that tell you about the bank eh :oD

Ed can never cross the divide, he's too ugly :oD

As a wise Mhan once said to me......................

"It's all about standards Laddie !!!!"...............

*Ahem!*

"HB- PMcstay- for too many years jinxed to be 'the good player in a bad team', he's good enough on his own merots to feature here"

"All together now- modern life is..rubbish, and may be getting rubbisher, no mater what the London Interbank Offered Rate says.

pablophanque

The Gate In The Wood continueth....

Duffield seeks a body odour solution from Master Baker, Brown Browning

BB: Brown Browning - how may I assist you ?

GD: Brown, it's Brother Gordon Duffield

BB: If memory serves we no longer have any business to discuss outwith the esoteric confines of Lodge Novo, Duffield

GD: Antidote, Browning

BB: My father's spinster sister? What's she got to do with the price of buttered baps ?

GD: Don't play the fool with me, Browning. You did me up like a kipper with your so-called soothing agent for flaky, irritable and blistering scalp.

BB: Product recall, Duffield

GD: Narrowboat Macaroon Fondant, five-litre tub

BB: I know my products, Duffield. We had to recall the multi-purpose fondant cream. Apparently the mixture came into contact with our famous Troon Tuna & Sweetcorn Paninis

GD: My scalp smells like a fortnight-dead Troon tuna. My office staff are in open rebellion. They're addressing me as the CEO of the Smelly Fish Aroma. Help me, Grayling .... I mean .... er.... Browning.

BB: Diet, Duffield

GD: I beg your pardon ?

BB: Worcestershire Sauce crisps.

GD: Will they help ?

BB: Absolutely - if taken in the correct quantity and as a suppository

GD: You're out of your mind, Browning

BB: Suit yourself, mackerelman.

GD: Tell me. Go ahead, tell me.

BB: Two standard packets daily. NOT from a multipack and no other flavour. Insert first thing in the morning and last thing at night. Trust me on this one, Duffield. Fish and chips, the Great British classic !

GD: Thank you, Browning. See you at Lodge Novo.

BB: Two weeks, Duffield and remember - always complete the course.

TBC

BTW, the polis didn't seem to have too much trouble arresting 100's of stricking miners 24 years ago !!!

pablophanque

Kojo :- I see I must be going up in the world as I'm now an octodear :-)
Sadly I think you are correct in that someone will be sold in Jan, my own hope is that if we have to lose someone it will be Mr MacGregor as we seem to have not too bad a back up for him.

btw the octodear bit reminds me, A man in the pub is offered eight legs of venison, he knocked it back because it was two deer.

Pablo - or even striking miners.

The fault, as you bl##dy well know,is in my typing, not my spelling.

At least I know I can't spell !!!!

striking, striking, striking, striking, striking, striking, striking,

pablophanque

Burnley 78 evokes memories re Dan Divers , if it is not a pseudonym, retired from the College a year ago. Never thought him a football man. however, I also wondered why Jim Craig's son, James the flying wing , was dropped like a hot potato from the Scotland rugby team. Couldn't be because of his school, could it ? It was hinted at by a headteacher I knew. I like rugby but I am very wary of the establishment pull. Say there is no sectarianism in rugby, Davie M. Incidentally a Canadian pipe band magazine ran a poll a while back "Is there sectarianism in judging ?" I never saw the result but a hell of a lot of Norn Iron bands were prizewinners .
Rugby's shame ? Piping's shame ? They'll get their come-uppence one day.

flush the barstewards away with water cannon - i say

Canamalar :- Thank you for your kind comments on my physog but why would I want to join a group of fans who number E.T among their crowd?
How do I know E.T is a Celtic fan?
Simple he looks like one :-)

So it's veritable feast of Celtica viewing this weekend. 4 DVD's of "The History" and a 5 DVD box set (bought at the Celtic shop in Stirling for £15 btw!!!) of the KoK's.

That'll do for me Bhoys and Ghirls.

pablophanque

If Willie Haughey is indeed to sponsor the Cup, could he not make it a condition that that the SFA bar any club which infringes the law of the land, in spite of what their CEO suggests. Ban EU's team from Scotland's Cup. That would be a really worthwhile investment.

My dear,dear,dear,dear,dear,friend... Cadizzy..

The Over Night Libor rate is the key to the whole mess.

It did go down slightly..which, is the foist stirrings of the Beginning of the End of the Panic.

I figured the 8,000 on the Dow, would be the Bottom..

But that is a guess.

Howevahhhh...

No matter how you slice the Cheddar...

The Bottom must be very close.

The Selling will cease, when the Sellers will realize this...

When one sells one's stock... one shall indubitably accumulate money.

Howevvvvvvvvvvvvvvah...

Now, that the Banks are no longer Trustworthy...and Gold pays no income.and now that Oil has gone for Oil.
Where shall one Place now place his newly accumulated wealth?

Ya Goat it,pal...

RIGHT Back into the STOCK MARKET...

Taking advantage of all those mooth waatering Prices!

As I have said from the beginning..

This DEPRESSION started approx. Aug.2007.. .and should show the foist glimmering of Recovery ...circa the Foist Quarter of 2010 with the Depression abating fully.. Last Quarter of 2011...

Just in the time for A PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION Campaign... for the Election of the next President...not this one.. the Next after this one.. in Nov. 2012.

The old Presidential Cycle...contrary to my friend from New Yoik... is alive and Well.

Kojo.

yer pal.. who likes ye.

So what dodgy dave is actually saying between the lines is that his catering company are about to remove 'blue-nose' burgers from the menu and replace them with organic bean + nut salads for the good of Scottish society.

While he's at it he's only going to be serving non-addictive de-caffeinated drinks - after all if you remove the demon drugs then sectarianism will disappear as a natural consequence.

It's all very subtle dave. Pity they handed out that award in Oslo today. You could've been a contender...

Martin 47, do you still explain the Protestant Wind by using the analogy of Rangers getting a fluke last minute winner against Celtic through a freak gust of wind carrying the ball over the heads of the despairing Celtic defence? If so, who has replaced John Greig as the jammy villain of the piece?

Dontbrattbackinanger on October 10, 2008 4:33 PM

Our hospital here is constantly hiring nurses, I think we are about to hire another 30 or 40 more the next month or so.

Tell her to get on her bike move to beautiful Warwick lots of work and the Barnsley Bitter is only £1.55.

NormanTebbitt CSC

Barnsley Bitter = bribery talents = nibblers treaty

Edward

8 legs of venison would be four deer.

On the food lines I believe in the celtic 'eateries'
the kids ingrtedients are organic.
My friend had Oreganic pasta the last time I was there with the hooligans on here.
One step ahead again.
And you cannae skin up in the jungle anymore.
Two steps ahead.

Dubaibhoy - have you ever actually seen what's inside a bluenose burger? My sources assure me they're made of blood, hair, and childrens' tears. Apparently they violently dissolve in Holy Water.

hi ghuys

on the subject of the new super douper orange dome being built,i was wndering if anyone had any info on celtics redevelopment of the main stand at celtic park.

i seem to remember there was plans printed a year or two ago,of a huge glass front,any clues PAUL?????

HAIL HAIL

My dear,dear,dear,dear,dear,dear,dear,dear,dear..friend.. Ed.

In fact is,it was not ... as you have so,so, cleverly named it.. an OctoDear... It was..to use your now established naming process.. a NonoDear.

I figgered that you had earned that amount.. as I do not know how you can put up with the constant barrage of jibes that are directed at your good self..Good Natured, though they may be, I hasten to add.

You are a fine example of what a Soccer Fan should be.

I give you a Doff of the ole Fedora!

Kojo.

yer pal... who shall remain so...until, soiten clauses in our
tacit agreement, should kick in..when, in that event... I must then reconsider the future terms of our Relationship.

on the Villareal clip I' sure as the shot shows the police walking off there is a mention of no trabaqa (sp) or they had nothing (work ) to do.

philvisreturns 4:25

Your comment on Broxy Bear reminded me of something my Brother-in-Law (an ardent follower of the Sheep Todgerers) always says about Jimmy Calderwood.

He swears blind that, much in the same way you have a lingering doubt about Michael and Janet Jackson, Jimmy C. and Angus the Bull (the Dons mascot) are one and the same person.

Compare and Contrast.

kitalba

the man from japan is not worth the shirt his name is printed on.
He is worth 500,000 * that.

sell him noo.

Ibleedgreenandwhite, there will be no re-development of the South Stand. People got a bit confused at Commonwealth Games announcement time but I've this issue confirmed.

Whitedog

How many legs does a deer have?

Celtic_First

only two that are normally eadible to us

kitalba on October 10, 2008 3:53 PM

Excellent clip, I just knew that the last two goal clips were going to be against the Huns and Manure. To think that there are some amongst us that say he is useless because he doesn't do bone-crushing tackles. The abuse he received after the Villareal game was astonishing. The man is poor class.

One pedantic point on your post though, he will receive a fourth championship medal regardless if he left on January or not as he would have played the required 10 games to receive a medal.

Shinsuke Nakamura = huns manure kaiaks(An Inuit or Eskimo boat)

You know in all the smog of the propaganda war I have not seen this question asked anywhere. (Ok I know no Scottish journo is going to ask it the question is like the elephant in the room.

Tell us Sir David, in your personal opinion is The Famine Song racist? A Yes or No will suffice.

that should of said "pure class" not "poor Class" sorry

Whitedog

Is that right? How so?

I think I must have had venison from the other two once or twice.

Rioskorrie - also, have you seen Jimmy Calderwood and Bully the Bull from Bullseye in the same place at the same time?

My theory: he's disguised himself as a football manager to avoid ending up in one of Desperate Dan's pies.

TNT
"The man is poor class"

Are you on the Barnsley Bitter already?

allgreen on October 10, 2008 4:24 PM – RFC announced the JJB deal in March 2006. It was ‘worth a minimum £48m over 10 years’, comprising an initial cash consideration of £18m plus guaranteed minimum annual royalty of £3m.

The deal was effective from 8 June 2006. RFC treated £3.5m of the initial consideration as turnover in their Accounts for year ended 30 June 2006 (2006 profit = £92k).

The remaining £14.5m of the initial consideration is released/amortised over the remainder of the contract (± 10 yrs). The annual royalty excluding bonuses is therefore £4.45m (£3m + £1.45m).

WDH :- I didn't say they were quality cuts :-)

Jimmy Calderwood is a bronzed Adonis. Woman want him and men want to be him or at least be his friend. Absolutely true

Cadizzy

Some side effects from last night Barnsley session on band night at the pub.

Paul67,
are they really not taking the opportunity to redevelope Celtic park? IMO very short sighted, especially in the present climate when people/companies are clammouring for the work, the deals available at the moment might not be seen again.

Celtic_First

Imagine you will have
Just like beef shin is coming to the fore again
Older cuts are on they way back.
Smoked venison I imagine will use all.
Popular regular cuts would be from the hind.

Look what you got me into for tickling Edward !

Don't push me on drink awareness week !!
Stocks ain't the only thing on freefall.

Drink awareness week is it?

Someone should tell the lassie that cut my hair yesterday.

None of your small talk. As soon as I sat down she said: "I've got four cans of bud and little bottle of vodka in for tonight. What have you got, luv?"

And another thing. This guy that thinks Scotland's Shame is obesity and drugs, is that David Murray the vineyard owner?

As Murray Antoinette once famously said - 'forget the bluenose burgers, let them eat succulent lamb'

David Murray's "obesity and drugs" line is the classic defence of someone in the wrong...play down what you've done by saying there are other more serious issues to discuss

lubo1977 - So was he saying Scotland's second biggest institution is only Scotland's third biggest shame?

paul 67-cheers for the info mate.

im a bit surprised that the powers that be at celtic,have no plans at all to finish the rdevelopment of celtic park,because lets face it,its not finished yet,i think everyone is agreed on that.

hail hail

Kojo

The miniscule drop in LIBOR that is making you so ebulient is not, in my humble opinion a sign of the bottom or a turnround, ways to go yet methinks.

Market down 374 but the DOW is not the key factor here, just an effect of the cause.

Hope you have a large cash position my friend.

US Congress learning economics 101 by the seat of their pants, no wonder you are jiggin every night.

Minty states Scotland`s shame is obesity and drugs......Kris Boyds lawyers are watching....

bleedgreenandwhite

Don't see any point in rebuilding the south stand as we only fill the stadium for CL matches now - or against TFOD. We need to play a Euro league type structure, with top class opposition every home game, to get a full house. Current financial climate also a good reason not to spend too much at the moment.

Did not realize I was corresponding with so many fat junkies on here ... Scotland's shame indeed !

Scotland's shame is the cover up of the sectarianism that has been tolerated, indeed welcomed for many, many years by so many.

lubo

Jim Traynor peddled exactly the same kind of argument in his ridiculous Ditty Vacant article. More important things to deal with. I would not argue that there are but that is no defense of allowing a song classified as racist being allowed to be sung unchallenged.

Kojo

Whit aboot the CREDIT DEFAULT SWAPS all $516 TRILLION o them
Enloighten moi old bhoy!

Scotlands shame = handles mascots = sad nacho smelts = rearrangers

My dear,dear,dear,dear,dear,friend... MdBhoy

Hold on tae yer Hat, pal..

This is gonna blow it right aff yer heid.

I AM BUYING WITH BOTH HANDS AND FEET!

Howevvvvvvvvvah..

I must tell you, that I see things a lot differently than most folds..

Kojo.
yer pal, who likes ye.

Paul

Congratulations on the first(?) incorporation of video in your post.

As an idea, how about you bin the words and give us your thoughts via the medium of video?

You could have a proper desk with a phone on it.(ala Paul Cooney in those old celtic quartely video's from the 90's.)

I notice that the latest Murray scheme is referred to as a, "Masterplan". This has satisfyingly Smersh-type connotations.

My dear,dear,dear,dear,dear,friend.. Gallagher.

My knowledge disnae extend into the Realm o' Financial Esoterica.

Did ye know fr'nstance that it wiznae Economists, but,... MATHEMATICIACIANS set up the parameters fur awe that exotic stuff..
and the truth be told..

NAEBOADY UNDERSTAUNS the IMPLICATIONS of their Actions..

So...

I am afraid, I am no more enlightened than anyboady else.

Meanwhile, back at the Ranch...

Do as Dom says...

Waita Tilla da Enda!

Kojo.
yer pal... who likes yer style.

Afternoon all,

Does Sir Mintys (low fat, of course) new found interest in the eating habits of the Scottish people extend to his lapdogs in the press? Will he be serving tofu salads and water instead of succulent lamb to his salivating peons? Will these guardians of truth and justice be revolting at the prospect? Can we expect the honorable cur, sorry, Sir David not to have such an easy ride in the press and get his just desserts?
I think the people need to know!

Hail Hail

From the times

Expensive strikers and the law of diminishing net returns

- Mark Viduka will probably prove to have cost Newcastle United about £1 million a goal but, for clearly failing to deliver value for money, he is in good company. Andriy Shevchenko must be grateful that performance-related pay is so uncommon in football.

- Chelsea paid AC Milan £30 million for Shevchenko and gave the Ukraine striker about £13 million in wages over two years but received only 22 goals in return, only nine of which came in the Premier League.

While the transfer fee Milan gave Chelsea to re-sign Shevchenko was not revealed, it is likely that the Stamford Bridge club paid considerably more than £1.5 million per goal for the player’s services.

- Sergei Rebrov, Shevchenko’s former Dynamo Kiev team-mate, also short-changed a London club, scoring 16 times for Tottenham Hotspur at almost £1 million a goal.

- Arsenal paid a slightly higher rate for the eight goals that Francis Jeffers scored for them (£1.1 million each) and Mateja Kezman was another striker Chelsea will want to forget, having paid about £7 million net for a return of seven goals.

- The cost per goal to Aston Villa for signing Bosko Balaban was infinitely worse — he did not score in return for the £5.8 million transfer fee and £1.5 million wages that the club paid before releasing him for nothing.

Words by Bill Edgar

also

http://timesonline.typepad.com/thegame/2008/10/bill-edgars-f-1.html

what kind of car did Basil beat up with a branch in an episode of Fawlty Towers ?

Kojo
I realize by now that you dance to your own tune :)

Buying right now may be appropriate BUT it's what to buy and when and that is the $700b question my friend.

Whitedoghunch.

An Austin I think. It was friggin' hilarious!!!

Remember how he always played with the name of the hotel?

"Farty Towels"!

Wish BBC would do a rerun on "Early Doors" though.

"To the Regiment!"

whitedoghunch

wasn't it a morris minor?

Hail Hail

Lurgan53

Thinking about it, I'm sure you're correct.

Hail Hail

Paul67, you have mail.

My dear,dear,dear,dear,dear,friend... Whitedog

Wonderful, wonderful... pal... ye did me proud.

I have said for years.. that Celtic are doing the right thing.

Get 'em young...buy 'em cheap.. and if ye get a good 'un oota Ten.. then ye ur ..

Way, Way, ahead of the Game!

The constant cry from soiten quarters for Celtic to go out there and Spash the Cash... should go unheeded.

Last window.. Aug.. Celtic did the right thing..

They Scooped up the Bargain.. Georgie Bhoy for...A Pound of Leeks..and a Crispie Cream Donut... Pennies..compared to the fees that are De Rigueur in the Premier League ..
and What did Celtic Get fur their Pennies...?

A Goal Scorer Par Excellence!

Same as Celtic Refused to bust da Budget to secure a suitable Left Back...

As collie said... wait till Jan.. then we will make our move..always keeping an eye on the Budget, the Budget..

Must stick to the Budget.

Kojo.
yer pal.. who likes ye a loat.

'

Lurgan it is an Austin Maxi red/maroonish I seem to recall.

I was trying to find it there but everything crashed whilst on the Austin Maxi club site .

Dublinbhoy / Lurgan 53

Fawlty Towers - I'm nearly sure it was an Austin 1100.

Rory Gallagher, eh? A personal hero of mine. I've often thought if he was a Celtic player who would he have been? George Conolly?

Gallagher

You asking what a credit default swap is ?

DubBhoy

How you doing today? Great night at the bar last night watching the (whisper it) baseball

Following whitedoghunch's comments...

Mark (originall Marco) Viduka, what can you say...

Some say if he hadn't had his mini-breadkdown immediately having signed for Celtic we would have won the league with Dr Jo. I really liked Dr Jo!

Two Viduka memories:

(1) He "scores" a goal when the ball essentially bounces off his not inconsiderable backside... looks around and then celebrates as if he had jinked the ball past the entire opposition team. (A hazey memory... can't rememeber which game... sometime during Dr Jo's post-Christmas goalfest period)

(2) After a game at Celtic Park... man with huge beer belly stuffing himself with chips: "That Viduka.... he's a lazy b---d"

There was also a song that included his name that was rightly much condemned.

http://www.austinmaxiclub.org/theMaxi/history.htm

paul67 please delete my post at 7.41

Rioskorrie

That's right. An 1100.

Rory G? Dunno who he would have been. Energetic, creative, charasmatic KOK?

Listening to Genesis at the minute Firth of Firth from "Selling England by the Pound". Saw these guys at The Free Trade Hall Manchester in 1975. Still a masterpiece!

Ahh!!

An austin A40

mdbhoy

(shhh..no one seems to notice we hijacked the site again last night)

Yep, good bar this...a bit like Cheers, "Where everyone knows your...eh, handle".

Not sure if I'll be in this evening...some bvggers are scheduling me work for tonight.

Hail Hail

watched the game in my local, came home, signed in, poured a macallan, posted once and promptly fell asleep .. happy days

Hi

fawlty Towers car ?

It was an Austin 100

Austin 1100

Kojo

I just re-hash what I read.
That was Bill Edgar in The Times.

Options buy Options even in those Times.

dog7

..sorry to upset you Lurgan but in the Rio household anything to do with Phil Collins is synonymous with the sound "click" In fact, he'd probably be Nacho Novo if he was a fitballer.

.....and continuing in that vein:-

Jimmy Page - Jinky (a genius with incomparable flair)
John Squire - Paul McStay (the quiet, understated genius)
Django Reinhardt - Charlie Tully (everybody says he was a genius, wish I'd seen him)

...but who would be Keith Richards?

mdbhoy

Ha! Strange that...its sounds exactly like my modus operandi. I never make it beyond the sofa, then wake up five minutes before the alarm clock, with a raging hangover, TV blaring with the opened can over turned and empty and a damp crotch :))
Sometime I'll learn.

Hail Hail

Ibleedgreenandwhite, canamalar, what is the point in spending money to redevelop the South Stand? It would cost many millions and apart from making the stadium look prettier, or more symmetrical, I have not heard another reason to do it.

It certainly won’t by for itself.

Smelltheglove, I’ve done YouTube vids before (Ricky Fulton as Rangers manager). The video blog is the way to go but not sure it’s the way people want to consume the blog; most will read in the office, discretely.

Perhaps for the weekends, although......

Loumacarisbettingslip, done.

what were those videos called? quarterly or bi annual videos from the early 90's

The celtic connection maybe?

Im sure it was a terry cassidy idea.

RRC

or anybody I have just found a picture of my car on that website:

Motorbase.

It shows the reg plate- can people track me down from this ?

If not I'll post it 'cause she is a babe.

Also they are using the image Illegally.

Rioskorrie

Actually agree with you re Phil Collins. He's a wee turd! My Genesis is the era when he was only a "backward drummer!"
Keith Richards? ......Frank McAvennie!!

My dear,dear,dear,dear,dear,dear,friend.. White Dog.

Don't we all?

Most of the stuff that I write, I either get it out the Peoples Friend... Or The Weekly News..or if Ah am really trawlin'... the Beano!

I believe it was Seneca, who said this.. It may have bin Cicero.. no matter..

".... And there is nothing New to be said .. under the Sun?"

And whoever it was...said that...Two Thousand Years Ago!

Kojo.
yer pal..who ayeways hiz time fur ye.

....or Jackie Dziekanowski?

Kojo

cenicero and dos copa de cava said with a smile
por fab(v)or make for a fair holiday.

Lurgan53 that was the only Genesis when the Archangel Gabriel mesmerised us through 5 glorious albums.

Rioskorrie Phil Collins was an awesome drummer but that's where it ends.

DublinBhoy Rory Gallagher is on my radar shame he is lost to us rockers.

Lets look forward to beating Inverness then the Manchester Utd.

Artur is going on a picnic:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/28817565@N03/2930069140/in/photostream/

Paul67- great clip made me laugh.

Sir Dodgy Dave came across as a worried looking man,as he squirmed talking about this tiny
ever diminishing minority we keep hearing about.

Now with websites and youtube etc his clubs hardcore bigots are being found out and he knows it.

Murray doesnt have anywhere to turn on this one.

Just when he thought things couldnt get any worse,then along comes the TFS !

So what does he do? Yep blame fat folk,its all their fault.
You couldnt make this up.

Anyway, attending my first Scotland game in over 20 years tomorrow,i believe my tickets
are in the Norwegian section so it should be fun.

Last minute offer of tickets couldnt refuse.
Anyway i hope a few of our bhoys get a start ,should be a good game,
looking forward to it now .

Lynott67

Lazarus

If you get a chance to hear it our buy it, Rorys "Irish Tour" album is widely acclaimed as his best.

Hail Hail

there were quite a few contributions from some Hill Street greens earlier today (Philsilvers & Burnley 78). I'm sure Dan Divers will be overjoyed at being mentioned on a football site for the second time.

Its still very funny the huns who bought into the list of catholic players who has allegedlly played for them on one of their sites but all were teachers at St Aloysius.

Let's hope our players on international duty come back unscathed due to our upcoming important schedule.

...still on a Rory crusade here.....agree with Dublinbhoy and can only surpass this with recommending the DVD "Irish Tour '74"

If you're of that era it'll make you laugh and cry with nostalgia.

So who's up for some more baseball?

Dodgers @ Phillies, Game 2 starts in about ten minutes. Two right handed pitchers start tonight: Chad Billingsley for the visitors and Brett Myers for the Phillies.

Phillies lead the 7 game series 1 - 0, so this is an important one. The next three games are scheduled for LA, with the final two, if needed, back in Philadelphia.

This should be another good close game.

Rioskorrie

I remember my cousin was big Rory Gallagher fan.
I remember listening to the album
Rory Gallagher:Live In Europe way back in '72
That's a really good live album.

1972 seemed to a big year for live albums and I guess I am biased but for me the live album of '72 was Made In Japan

I remember RG was a helluva guitarist, though

RRC

Dan Divers on CQN....
Wow.
A Guid Man....Dan

Moonbeams wet dream @ 9:14am
I do not know sir. Do not like to think about it. Although it 'appears' the UK is moving towards the German approach and away from the US. Good thing if the case. Only my opinion...

PJ (who had more than his fair share of Bills of 4f from Dan and the rest....)

Hi everyone,

I am working on an urban research paper and presentation for my "Europe and the Paradoxes of Modernity" course and my professor granted Celtic Park as an acceptable urban site. The paper will cover its creation and purpose upon being created, and its changing purpose over time (among other, less interesting themes from the course). If any of you could send me an email with any of your stories (personal or events you've witnessed) relating to CP and its impact on your life I would be personally very grateful. Please include in your e-mail which nation you were born in, what you consider your nationality, what is your religion, as well as your first name and last initial.

My e-mail address is jfishe46-at-uwo.ca (please relace "-at-" with "@")

Thank you in advance to anyone who obliges.

- Jarad Fisher

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Darren Fletcher's Tribute to Tommy Burns ...

The Manchester United midfield player recalls his development as a footballer under the former Scotland coach Graham Spiers
Darren Fletcher, asked to reflect yesterday on his development as a footballer, paid the following moving and unrehearsed tribute to Tommy Burns, the former Celtic and Scotland coach who died in May.

“I've always been one of those players who, if I give the ball away, I'll never hide, and the one person who always remarked on that to me was - God rest his soul - Tommy Burns,” Fletcher said.

“Tommy had the same attitude. He used to pull me aside with Scotland and say, ‘If you give the ball away, never hide, go and get it back, show courage and bravery.' It is one thing I've always remembered about him.

“Tommy was a massive influence because he was a great man and a great coach. I learnt a lot from him. Off the pitch he was so funny and had all the lads laughing, but he could be serious, too.

“He once nutmegged me in Wales when we had a game between the starting line-up and the rest of the subs and the staff.

I was trying to press him, and he nutmegged me, and he must have shown a repeat of it on the video about 20 times on every trip we went on after that.

“I think that's why we suffered such a big defeat that night in Wales [4-0 in February 2004]. I think my confidence was shot because Tommy had nutmegged me. But he was a great man and a great coach.

“I've never hidden when I give the ball away, and Tommy used to emphasise that point a lot. He used to make the point to all the lads, and I'm sure that everyone else has taken something and learnt from him as well.

“He also once spoke about how he hadn't got too many caps for Scotland because of the quality of player he was up against in his day. But I know that Tommy was a great footballer. You get pennants rather than caps for being in the squad, and Tommy had more pennants than caps.

“I'm sitting here with 40 caps and a great player like Tommy Burns only got eight. It is quite humbling.”

(The Times)

o1bhoy

Gordon J,
I would love to join you, fortunatley i have a happy hour i need to attend to, "delightfully tacky, yet unrefined"

I will be watching the game TOO. If you know what i mean.

GB

Go Dodgers

RRC
and other folk...
met rory gallagher on a few occasions, great fun, always in nederlands or holland as we called it...

mrs kikinthenakas has retired for the evening, however I have laughed like a drain at the monty sketch

Paul, well done

my amigos and our partners were talking abour SDM and his comment about "bile" one deserved we agreed but we had a debate if JR/PL had said that about our support, it would have been curtains for him, we think that it is not about the unseen fenian hand, as was described to me but JR's political nous that has prompted such a statement, and we were delighted that something must be going on behind the scenes

goingtomyhometowncsc

Dodgers on the board first again tonight, 1 - 0 in the middle of the second.

.

Question....

l Have Fernando Torres in My ' Season' Bets for EPL Top Goalscorer....

Q. What Happens if Man City Buy Him in January....????

o1bhoy

I've noticed at least two 'jokes' today at the expense of
Moonbeams' disability. We let ourselves down with this poor taste.
We are not short of reasons to ridicule Moonbeams, we don't need to resort to the tacticsof the playground. Leave that to the Hun.

o1bhoy

take 1p off in the pound for every 40million he goes for amoritised over the value of his wages through the lenghth of his contract - I'm told.

Another Carling Mr Murray ?

Lynott67, enjoy the game tomorrow.

Kikinthenakas, cheers.

Paul67,

A wee suggestion for the DJ. If we touch wood as i tyoe win 4 in a row, to really make them suffer i think it would be hilarious if we done this again. I remember this after the 5 1 game in 1998 and it was hilarious. This would really make them suffer. For me this would cause them real pain. It would also give me satisfaction for the torture endured in the 9 in a row era in the 90's.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=glXnksEWqxI&feature=related

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Whitedog....

So Instead of 64k i Get....????

o1foragamblenisnaeverybrightCSC

I'm still seeking revenge for the 90's. Everytime i see Smith on the TV at the Press Conferences and Rabgers tie etc... haunts me. I want him to feel misery we endured during the 90's.

Great second innings for the Phillies, including a base hit and RBI from the pitcher!

Phillies lead 4 - 1 after 2 innings.

o1bhoy

a Vic 128

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WDH....

Double or Quits....????

o1bhoy

Now Phillies 4 Dodgers 2 bottom of the 3rd

o1bhoy

wait 'til I phone my bank....

Can't understand them.
To save money they have moved their call centre from India
to Aberdeen.
Guy called me a foreinger.

Paul67
Thanks,it should be a good game.
It will be strange going to Hampden to watch Scotland for the first time in many years.

The last Scotland game i attended was Wembley '88 ,lots of English in Rangers tops that day
causing trouble,around the time when the Beast was signing a lot of English players for them.
Anyway it wasnt a pleasant experience that day ,also lost 1-0 if i recall.

With a few Celtic players likely to start it will make it that bit more enjoyable.

jaradthescot

I think with all the information you are asking for that you would want to prove you're not a hun on the prowl! Not that I don't believe you but I'm sure you'd understand the reticence that most people would have.

Hail Hail

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WDH....

Furry Bhoots Ye Bide....

' Whilst Skiing in Switzerland'.....

"Fit Fit Fits Fit Fit Ken"....????

o1fitlikebhoyCSC

DublinBhoy I have a friend who loves Rory almost as much as he loves Wishbone Ash he will have this.

Currently listening to Porcupine Tree a modern day prog band and they are are sublime.

Hail Hail to you.

Dodgers pull one back at the top of the third.

But the pitcher stars again with the bat for the Phillies! A 2 RBI base hit for Brett Myers. And the Dodgers starting pitcher is hooked.

That's followed by a 2 run triple for Shane Victorino. And another pitcher is hooked.

Bases are loadad after a couple of walks

Dodgers 2 Phillies 8 - and we're still in the third innings.

Wow, the Dodgers are getting humped. 8-2 in the 3rd.

Gerrybhoy and kojo will be seriously peeved off.

Hail Hail

.

DublinBhoy....

"Phillies"...."Humped"...."Dodgers"....l Hope We are After the "Watershed"....

o1bbc.co.uk

RRC

Live in Japan. Thanks for bringing back the memory - that particular version of Smoke on the Water has got to include one of the "howlingest" bum notes ever (apart from the solo in Rosalie in Live n' Dangerous).

Lazarus,

Ever heard of a trio of 19 yr olds from the IOM called Back Door Slam? Closest thing I've heard to Free for a longtime.

OldTimeRocknRollCSC

3 run homer from Manny Ramirez, it's 8 - 5. What a game!

sorry 01bhoy...its after 11pm CP time. Would we ever be after the watershed everywhere in the world?

Manny Ramirez gets a 3 run home run. Gosh darn it.

Hail Hail

Pablo et al

I think now I understand minty moonbeams "master plan".

he's wrote a song explaining his & rearrangers current situation and explains how he intends turning it to his advantage.....by using this song he hopes the hordes will buy this song by the bucket load and therefore providing the hard cash to fund his re arranged application to the Glasgow City Council.

The moonbeams master plan is.....The credit crunch song

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_iMS31mqmU&feature=related

vman

In response to Dublinbhoy's comment that I should prove I'm not a hun, I will post links to a prvious post I made in June which was making fun of McCurry's (lack of) refereeing ability:

http://www.celticquicknews.co.uk/2008/05/decisions-over-scott-brown-and.php

The post is locatedon May 10th, at 9:45PM and states "
By jaradthescot on May 10, 2008 9:45 PM

Someone was looking for McCurry's profile at scottishfa.co.uk: http://www.scottishfa.co.uk/referee_profile.cfm?viewprofile=1&refereeid=20250573

Notable excerpts are wanting to change/having difficulty calling the offside rule and not being able to think of a single strength
".

As well I am providing a link that shows my activity on a different Celtic forum (sorry for the plug Paul, I assume you'll understand the circumstances):

http://www.celticforum.net/search.php?searchid=68326

Note that I have over 700 posts there and my most recent 500, going back to September 2007, are recorded.

---

For those that may have missed it, my original post/request is reprinted at the end of this one. If there is any other way that I can prove my allegiance please tell me so. Further, I will post an excerpt of an article I am using detailing rascism against the Irish in Scotland. While far from proof that I am a Celtic fan, I feel that it adds weight to my statement that I am indeed researching a paper on these issues. I wish I could post the whole article for interest's sake, but I have accessed it through my university's JSTOR account and am unaware of any way to reproduce it.

Here is the excerpt: http://img520.imageshack.us/my.php?image=temptl1.jpg

Finally, here is my original post/request:

"Hi everyone,

I am working on an urban research paper and presentation for my "Europe and the Paradoxes of Modernity" course and my professor granted Celtic Park as an acceptable urban site. The paper will cover its creation and purpose upon being created, and its changing purpose over time (among other, less interesting themes from the course). If any of you could send me an email with any of your stories (personal or events you've witnessed) relating to CP and its impact on your life I would be personally very grateful. Please include in your e-mail which nation you were born in, what you consider your nationality, what is your religion, as well as your first name and last initial.

My e-mail address is jfishe46-at-uwo.ca (please relace "-at-" with "@")

Thank you in advance to anyone who obliges.

- Jarad Fisher"

Thanks again

Rioskorrie I haven't,but if they sound like Free then I will have to listen to them.How did you hear about them ? I first saw Free saw Free in 1970 at the Greens in Glasgow.

jaradthescot

Sorry if I cast any aspirations on your character or allegiances. It was not intended to be taken that way but more as a word of caution to anyone else. There are a lot of crazies out there who would love the type of info you requested.

Please accept my apologies.

Hail Hail

Rioskorrie

They sound good, are they on youtube?

Hail Hail

alright bhoys
thank crunchie it's friday
I see yet another gers AGM passes with a whimper .
The fact the laptop loyal pandered to polo minty (the mint with a hole in his finances )used to get on my goat (no pun intended ).
Now I think they maybe playing into our hands ,the longer the press cover polo minty's back the longer it will take the gers fans to revolt .seven seasons should be enough in my book

Yarranbebhoy just noticed your post, just listening to Tull's Aqualung as I type.You obviously have similar taste thats's what sets this site apart.

Hope you get your number plate a big Hail Hail to you.

Jarad,

I know where Dublin Bhoy is coming from.

I think it was right to enquire as some of moonbeams hoard are surely lurkin,

IMO yir the real deal, so I'll tell ye a wee story or teo ra morra.

If only to help ye dae yir Research/ Dissert...thingy

Vman

No need to apologise, I fully understand your unease. I myself was even nervous of putting my full name in my public post, but decided to as an act of goodwill (I am giving up my full name/rough location through my university's address). We live in sad times when we have to worry about such minor pieces of information getting into the wrong hands.

test

thank you vman. Also, if anyone is familiar with JSTOR, I came across an article that was discussing the "Americanization" of European football and in particular a European league. It is dated (2000 I believe), but if anyone is interested and knows where/how I can host the .pdf form of the article I will do so.

jaradthescot
knowledge is power the less they know the better .
DM 08/10/2008
hail hail

Rioskorrie

Just had a listen to Back Door Slam on MySpace. These guys sound real good, think I will be ordering their album tomorrow.

Thanks for the tip.

mick
did you pass the test

Although I've never thought much of David Murray and even less since April 1994 I have to give credit when it's due.

Rangers have obviously been doing their own research and found the posts on Rangers website ARE vile and sickening.

Therefore yesterday was progress.

If an addict wants to beat his habit does he not have to first admit he has a problem?

Murray has only paid lip service to Scotland's Shame up until yesterday. That was the first time that I can recall Rangers FC openly admit they have a serious problem.

Although it must be said that he has done more than anyone to address Rangers internal affairs by overseeing the signing of a series of Catholic players, the clubs' first Catholic captain and the club's first Catholic manager. He has set a good example but obviously now feels he has to go further into the clubs mire of sectarianism.

jaradthescot,

I was roundly ticked off by my youngest for giving out two mob no's on this site last night. I guess it is so easy for someone to get enough info. to rob you, wind you up or slander you etc.

Mick testing......test worked, yir wee spanner thingy opened up fir me.

Vman

Things have slowed down a little in Philly.

8 - 5 to the Phillies after 5 innings.

fergus
The bigger the lie the more people will believe it.
The most important part of minty’s speech was”were up to here” he then held his hand to his neck-I’m told. Hey and he now blames the laptop loyal.
The clock is ticking.
Bob. Hail Hail

fergus
The bigger the lie the more people will believe it.
The most important part of minty’s speech was”were up to here” he then held his hand to his neck-I’m told. Hey and he now blames the laptop loyal.
The clock is ticking.
Bob. Hail Hail

Celtic Bob r ye on double time? lol

Vman

A scoreless innings.

8 - 5 to the Phillies after 6 innings.

Rioskorrie

Deep Purple In Rock changed my life!

Lazarus

I also saw Free live at Green's Playhouse, I didn't see em till 72 but they were amazing live.

Think it was the 'Free At Last' tour?

RRC

kevtic
polo minty only changed the clubs signing policy with the spectre of eufa hanging over them .the rest is history .
celtic bob
the clock really is ticking ,but what a dilemma I now find myself in after waiting eagerly for dave's demise I now find myself hoping he and his cohorts keep stringing the gers fans along ,as they won a big chunk of their 9 titles when we were in denial .
What say yea bob polo minty to stay or go

Vman
Aye double’s.Not sure about the time-lol. Only clicked once.
Was reading through the posts-catching up.
Whos the Phillies?

Kevtic 11.58pm

I think we can all agree that rearrangers as a club are better now compared to the pre-Minty Moonbeams standard. But I would contend that this was only because UEFA were looking at them very closely before 'Le Petit Merde' signed.

He did not admit there is a serious problem. He still played the minority card. For anyone now to believe that there are only a minority of rangers fans indulging in their new repertoire is either deaf or lying. It is loud and clear every week. In my opinion he needs to acknowledge that before any further progress is made.

TGSC
Sailing on to 4IAR

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Guilty M'Lord....

o1bhoy

RRC Deep Purple in Rock changed mine also as did so many just after that.Flight of the Rat,Hard Lovin' Man and Speed King.And then came along Uriah Heep.

Good ship...

Minority right enough, I do remember all the bull about the rear minority singing then, now it seems so much louder, focussed, more targeted and much more of a F you I'll sing what I want to.

I'm stating the obvious but i think moonbeams is worrying because he'll never be able to sell ibORCS to anyone outside the Scottish family of rear.arangers ..... ORCS, that won't suffice for his needs (pay off his debts to the creditors).

vman

Another scoreless innings.

8 - 5 to the Phillies after 7.

Vman,

Iborcs. Oh man I'm stealing that one........

TGSC
Sailing on to 4IAR

TGSC
do you think dave has the clout and bottle to win the power struggle that is going on on the southside today .IMO he has missed the boat the fundamentalist no longer see him as a man who can put them where they believe they BELONG .Why do you think Edgar and the RST fragmented .Daves days are well and truly numbered ,he is caught between a rock and a hard place .
He is desperate to offload rangers ,the bigots at the club are hindering him .He is no longer in a position to challenge them hence the we don't help ourselves by giving the press a stick to beat us with statement
YOU REAP WHAT YOU SOW .

Fergus
I agree on the signing policy - the so called meeting he is having with the first minister probably is not of his own choosing-defence they have none.
That’s why he wants to sell.
I can’t remember our 9IAR-I only started going in1984-my old man however said Stein used to praise the FOD even when we won. You might be right the longer he stays the better.
Bob. Happy Days.

fergus slayed the..

you've sayed it much more eloque....better than me (it's late)lol.

I do hope they stick with their current (imploding) team fur a wee while longer.

vman........vman4......vman10......in a row

Fergus.......

Sorry for the delay in replying - nipped out for a ciggie. :-) To answer your question no and definitely no. As you say he had the chance and missed it. We made great strides all those years ago because your namesake helped us in a multitude of ways. Bhoys Against Bigotry was a landmark in Scottish football. However, it only worked because our support (in general) wholeheartedly embraced it. We accepted their was a problem and dealt with it. We still accept we can improve and to me that is difference between both sets of fans (again in general).

TGSC
Sailing on to 4IAR

Some great pitching from both sides now keeping the hitters in check.

8 - 5 to the Phillies after 8 innings.

Manny Ramirez up first in the 9th. Brad Lidge, the best closer around, coming to the mound for the Phillies.

celticbob
I think you have hit the nail RIGHT on the head with regards his meeting ,he even caught me with that spin .
Vman
It will always depend on results ,last season again this time ,although my heart may not stand the heat ,hail hail
TGSC
Great point regarding bhoys against bigotry ,as I said you reap what you sow

very quiet tonight on the music front

machine music

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=5c81X6BiI0Y

Phillies win 8 - 5 to lead the series 2 - 0. Another great game.

The action moves to LA now, 1am Monday morning. The Phillies have won their home games. Can the Dodgers?

Lazarus

Seen Uriah Heep a couple of times early 70s
First time I saw em, I was with the girl who married Willie Pettigrew - anyone remember him?

Always thought Uriah Heep sounded better live than on record.
uriah Heep live is another great live album from 72/73

RRC

mrorspicious
I don't think even Kraftwork could get a tune out of my car this month £150 for the first note so far this month

One contribution to the music from me befoer I go to bed.

Philadelphia's Finest

Philly band Marah live from King Tut's in Glasgow.

rrc
I am a heavy rock fan from my youth ,I still listen to all the old songs to this day .Are you suffering from the same illness OLDFOGGYNESS .

mrorspicious

Cheers fur the music and i was wondering to myself ....is is time for bed or is it no....

so here's 1 back te ye.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=V1Gn0e7kvTA

vman or if yur Pablo in disguise then Vmhan it is

Now the real champions (baseball, that is) take on those upstarts Tampa Bay Rays

Go SOX!!

Hail Hail

Dublinbhoy
not got a clue about this baseball lark .
3 questions
1. are you guys posting on the live games
2. are they on tv when you get home from work
3. do they play every night .
excuse my ignorance

kitalba on October 10, 2008 1:46 PM

Great Lubo 0-3 video, I dont think Ive seen it with the old Sky fanzone commentary, bet those two went through a thourgh check, well one of them.

Pop quiz?

Lyric round?

1) ‘We put her on the hit list of a common cunning linguist, a master of many tongues’
2) ‘And it may sound strange, As if our minds are deranged’
3) ‘My little lover does a midnight shift - she ball around all of the time’
4) ‘Wrapped in silent elegance, Beautifully broken down’
5) ‘Sweet you rock and sweet you roll’
6) ‘No hearts of gold, No nerves of steel, no blame for what we can and cannot feel’
7) ‘I can say that I'm ecstatic 'cause we all just made a pact’
8) ‘I'll be in my basement room with a needle and a spoon’
9) ‘It is known, just scream it from the wall’
10) ‘Found a strange fascination with a liquid fixation’
11) ‘Posters make a prophet If you've got a soul to sell’
12) ‘The engine runs on glue and tar. Come on along, not goin' very far’
13) ‘We'll feed the food to the ford, And we'll live off the coconut’
14) ‘Sitting pretty, in an ugly sort of way’
15) ‘Still over sea could it be the whole earth opening wide’

Probably too easy. made it up from tracks on my PC
RRC

Fergus

1. Yes we're posting on live games
2. I work from home but because they its the playoffs there are two different games played
3. The Sox play the Rays in their first game of the series (best of 7). The earlier game, Dodgers against the Phillies, was their second game of the series.

If no one is interested, I wont post on the action tonight.

Hope that helps

Hail Hail

I give CQN the world premier of

Celtic Park

Fergus...who gives an f.ORC lol

I'm football through n through,

but I suppose as the song goes "......" then we should indulge our bhoys who like those other sporty things.

And for the rock music tonight ghuys n ghals ..I'm watching a wee film about killer bees.....apparently those USA baseball, basketball players, cia types have created a swarm of killer bees to attack....themselves so thats the plot, know here's the song.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1__KQZvoBpc

vman posting his 1st concert before this band went worldwide

dublinbhoy
thanks for the reply .
You say the sox play the rays in the first game of the series (best of seven )does this mean they play each other seven times ,first to four wins ,the winner meeting the winners of the dodgers r the phillies in the final .
I told you I had no Idea of the game

dublin bhoy now that manny's 3 run homer proved to be "busted flush" its time for the real red sox to step up to the plate :-)

Nervy start from Sheilds with 12 balls, 2 walks and a total of 25 pitches in the first innings alone despite a double from Youklis Boston fail to capitalise

vman
Freddie was a one off .A legend .I went to the west end show in London ,Freddie would have approved of the musicians if not the show .
when they introduced the musicians at the end most of them had grey hair ,guys with experience and it showed

Rioskorrie @ 11.24

What bum note in Rosalie is that ?

I always thought that was a great lead solo,from IMO the greatest live rock
album ever recordred.

Lynott67

Estadio @1:43 paradise indeed fantastic post !

lynott67
mrs fergus recently bought me the cd ,some great memories on hearing that disc ,still have it on vinyl but alas the Sony separates have been handed down to my daughter in a desperate bid to keep the past alive

Sorry for the poor spellings, I'm getting a wee bit older and need to keep checking before sending, but hey at least I'm still a bhoy at heart lol.

Estadio crackin video, check it it out lads n lassies.

Vman who is barely steaman.....running and gym tomorrow morning, good luck and good night to all.

....and I thought Sheilds was nervous Matszuka gets out of jail having thrown 27 pitches and giving up 3 walks....if both pitchers continue like they will both be hooked before the end of the 4th

estadio
we have 40 drunks singing a song about novo that heaps us in with the shame .
The banners from the jungle bhoys tells me the true story ,great vid
hail hail

UNEW MIKE:

Exactly....bring on the champions!! Though the Sox Japanese boy, Matsusaka, really drives me nuts, but his stats say he is darn good. Who am I to disagree with the stats?

fergus:

Its first to 4. 2 games in Tampa, two in Boston then back to Tampa etc. This series be finished before it goes back to Tampa :)

Hail Hail

never could spell his name right...Daisuke Matszuka!

Tampa play in a bloody circus tent and whats with those stupid cow bells? Haven't seen too many cows in Florida!

Hail Hail

dublinbhoy
so what is the final ,still the best of seven in a neutral venue .
thank for your patience with a novice

fergus final is best of 7 at both venues similar to playoffs 2-3-2 can't remember who gets the better homefield advantage

No these are just the playoffs. The winners of this series play the winners of the Phyllies v Dodgers.

This is like a semi-final series.
Because of the all-star win by ALS over the NLS the first games of the "final" will be played in either Tampa or Boston (whoever wins this series) then they will move for the next 3 games to either Philadelphia or LA then back for the last two games.

Confused? I think I am

Hail Hail

it's the team with the best regular season record that gets home field advantage in the world series

argh forgot they change it to that all star thing :)

UNEW MIKE

Thanks....you explained it in one line while I took five!!

Because the American League beat the National League in the all-stars game the ALS gets home field advantage.

Hail Hail

Where the hell are all the tunes, and what are you all on about? Don't you know this is a Celtic site for discussion of all things Celtic? Shocking, what is the blog coming to?

Only kidding guys, I'd love to say I know about any American sports but you never know I might be converted on the back of your input. 4 years ago I would have never in a million years thought I'd become a fan of cricket but I find myself glued to the box anytime it's on.

Dublin Bhoy no channel 5 coverage tonight :( so I am stuck with my usual on-line game day

UNEW MIKE

Not on TV? Well Matszuka is batting very well. He really can move the ball around the plate. But he does walk a lot of batters...like he just has again!

Hail Hail

Still 0-0 as Matszuka eventually dispatches the batter. COming to the top of the 5th.

porridgeandbananas:
I just can not look at the "colonies" game. It's too much for me to bear but I do love watching baseball.
My dad looks at cricket when the English are playing, he loves seeing them beat at their own game :)

Hail Hail

Dublin Bhoy so I noticed about the walks this is why he Matsuzaka is not considered a genuine ace in the mould of Beckett, Schilling or Martinez yet he has 5 strike outs to his name....actually the emergence of Jon Lester this year compensated for the unexpected loss of Curt .....

porridge
I am trying to get the gist of it myself , te guys are trying their best not to tell us to go to our kip ,hail hail .
unew mike .
I remember back in my youth when I shared a room with my older brother who bought a hi-fi with long band radio on it ,I used to tune in to the American football late at night and started to pick up on the rules of the game .
I still have a soft spot for the miami dolphins ,although I am sure they are maybe called something completely different now .
BUT DON'T KNOCK IT THAT'S HOW A FAN IS BORN

DublinBhoy

To be honest that's how it started for me, although I started watching during the Ashes series England won in 2005. Since then I'll watch their matches in the hope they get hammered. What's worrying is that i find myself watching the domestic Cricket on Sky during the summer weeknights. Either that habit, or my addiction to lurking on here every waking minute will see me divorced!

The only American team I used to follow were the Philadelphia Eagles as my Aunt lives there and she used to bring me back some cracking gear (being green and white/grey helped right enough). To be honest though I haven't checked how they're getting on for at least 10 years.

Dont have much time for american football too much stop and start but i first got hooked on baseball in japan more than 10 years ago Hiroshima Carp were my team who also played in red....the famed Hideki Nomo ex LA Dodgers set the trail blazing for japanese stars to enter the major league and he was soon followed by Kobe's Ichiro who seems to carry a poor mariners team on his back. BTW Red Sox are much more of a balanced team since Manny "who" threw his toys outta the pram

UNEW MIKE

I wouldn't consider him an ace by any means but his numbers really are fantastic throughout the season. 18 wins and only 3 loses.

John Lester is really looking good too. He will be pitching on Sunday I think. Beckett when on form is magic too.

Hail Hail

Porridge
my brother was the same as you ,regards the cricket .
What do you think is the perfect formula to create a fan of your sport ,or your team

Celtic: The Champions League Dream

fergus

I think with any game you start by picking a team, using whatever criteria that makes sense to you...colours, city or 'traditions'. Then keep an eye out for them and how they do through out the season. Gradually you pick up on the rules and by then you're well and truly hooked.

I could be wrong though

Hail Hail

Celtic win the League Championship in 1967 against Rangers

Dice-K is in the zone now with another 2 strike outs after a nervy start seems to have found his location more consistently BTW since Dai-su-ki means I love you in Japanese this explains why the first male child in Japan is sometimes called Daisuke

kitalba
A draw at old trafford and a win at celtic park will put us in the driving seat and man utd in trouble , all is not lost KTF
HAIL HAIL

YES...Sox got two on bases 2 and 3 with no one out!! Go Sox

Hail Hail

Go red sox go ! another double this time from Kotsay make it count jason bay on 3rd..no outs !

Sacrifice hit...Sox 1 up and runner on 3rd. One out.

Hail Hail

UNEW MIKE
Dai-su-ki naka
even if the press would love to see the back of you
hail hail

UNEW MIKE

I agree with you about Ramirez. I thought they should have got rid of him last year but the Boston fans kept telling me I knew nothing..."Manny being Manny"

2 out.

Hail Hail

Boston is unofficially a Bay state as that excellent "man"(ny) replacement Jason scores the first blood on a sacrifice fly from Jed Lowrie 1-0 sox
hail hail

Celtic(Glasgow derby Classiscs)Part.1

UNEW MIKE
What is japanese for WE DO
Maybe we could get a song going
We love you naka we do
we love you naka we do
oh naka we love you .
UNEW translate and get the song going

fergus

I'm still learning about the game...baseball has so many rules and the tactics are very intricate. You think "now why the f**k did he do that" then when its explained its "ohhh yeah".

Hail Hail

fergus

I wouldn't have a clue on that mate, my addiction started as I work nights and it was either the Cricket or those endless auction or property development programmes on during the day! It's just grown on me over time, so much so I would now consider my knowledge of the game to be quite good.

Off to my kip as I'm up in 4 1/2 hours to take the kids to their football. Whoever you guys are all cheering for I hope they win, though I'm picturing you all watching the telly and on the PC with those big hats with the beers and straws attached! Whoever invented those is a GENIUS!

HAIL HAIL

Good evening baseball huddlers.
Latecomers are us.
Sunny Friday afternoon 3pm and plans are wrecked by two urgent issues that need sorted by start of business Monday.

Save stock market Check
Save Dodgers OOPS

'GG taking his seat with an OJ.

Missed opportunity to add more runs to be honest Varitek hasn't really done it with the Bat this year but retains his place for his catching and coaching capabilities and he did make an excellent tag to put anaheim in their place

nakamura san wa sugoi desu ne ! nakamura san is superb ! (sugoi = super, smashing, excellent desu ne is a colloqialism at the end of the sentance bit like isn't he or so i see subarashi is another japanese word for super

8 strike outs for Matszuka. The stat just read out was he has not lost a game on the road...he's 9-0.

fergus

Like football winning away from home is very important particularly in this series. Boston are very difficult to beat at home, in Fenway...the crowd makes a big differences and can really boost the team.

Hail Hail

You're right, Tek has been pretty poor at bat but is very important to the team. I have been more disappointed by Ortiz though, but he had the injury right at the beginning of the season. I don't think he has really gotten over that.

Hail Hail

Hey 'GG, about time too :)

Sox up 1-0 at the top of the 6th with 1 out.

C'mon Sox get us a few more runs.

Hail Hail

Ichi ban Ichi ban
Nakamura san
Itsumo ...Itsumo...
Arigato Arigato
Nakamura san
Nakamura san..

Number 1 Number 1
nakamura san
always always ( Itsumo means both always/forever)
thankyou ! thankyou !
Nakamura san
Nakamura san

am sure genuine Japanese would find my very basic attempt extremely funny if not laughable :-)

unew mike
sing it on web cam and then get it into a link for the CQN . I am sure we can learn a line of Japanese and I am sure naka would be thrilled hearing it at CP .
hail hail

dublinbhoy
A bit like the celtic support at home in the CL then .

go on UNEW MIKE go for it :)

Bottom of the 6th Tampa with 1 out.
Tampa have not had a hit in the game yet

Hail Hail

In fairness Ortiz was both out standing and consistent in the previous 2/3 seasons often was so unplayable that he was intentionally walked but has finally succuumbed to niggling injury which has affected his form. Tek is also the team captain and I had forgotten that Dice-K was unbeaten on the road...

Just reading back from 4 pm EST of course.
Seems I missed a real exciting game from Philly.
Caught a glimpse of the catch from Riverino(?) at the wall.

Just shows how much a single play can effect the outcome.

TB up at the bottom of the 6th trailing 1-0.
I have no stake in this ring, so I can be dispassionate.
The Rays don't have a hit? hmmm

'GG

Fergus slayed the blues on October 11, 2008 3:01 AM

I like your thinking, Im with you on that one.

Trying to watch three Celtic Yooo Tuuubes and the Sox, no more its bed before Im unable to face the socks for juice in the morning.

Hit thum ooot the park yol.

Mon the sox.

Hail Hail.

Is Longoria the fhella that married the deperate hooverer?

fergus

exactly! The Sox fans are so passionate, the similarities are there.
The Rays fans are quiet. Matszuka is just giving them nothing to hit. Very good display by him...as good as I have ever seen him pitch.

Hail Hail

'GG

In fairness the Rays are doing very well too. The Sox have only had 3 hits so far.

Hail Hail

Sorry guys no web cam but might get a song on the supporters bus not sure Patch behind the bar at BBs would be too happy if I started a pre-match rendition at the CQN watering hole Looking at the stats "astounded of forehead" no hits for Tampa Bay vs 3 Hits for Red Sox

Make that 4....JD Drew got a base hit.

Hail Hail

dublinbhoy
I seem to recall a post referring to a line in the SOX charter stating their charitable beliefs .
Was it from you and was that what attracted you to them in the first place

Fergus

SOX?

Sarbanes Oxley? ;)

It's keeping many of us busy working these days.

Boston leave 2 stranded.

'GG

I see Fox Soccer Channel has
England vs Kazachstan and
Estonia vs Spain
on tomorrow afternoon.

Thank God I have a day out with my grand daughter.

Rays suddenly have come alive with men at the corners and no outs.

Sacrifice fly will tie the game.

'GG

fergus

No, not really. When I moved to the States I landed in Boston and stayed for 4.5 years. The Sox had not won the World Series in 86 years...you may have heard of the famous "Curse of the Bambino" when Babe Ruth was traded to the Yankees. Well the year I arrived the curse was reversed and they won the World Series.
I just got totally caught up in the whole thing, the excitement, the passion and the history.
I used that link about the charity thing to wind up a couple of Dodgers fans on here. The Red Sox play in Green on Paddys Day and special occasions. When they first brought out the green uniform the team donated the uniforms to charity. That said the Red Sox do have a great tradition of helping local charities. I suppose most teams would do the same thing in their home cities, so probably is not just a Sox thing.

Also, as you may know Boston is historically a huge Irish city though a little less so now. I really love Boston, it is as European as you can get and is one of the few places in the US I could say has a true "culture". They are very proud of their rebellious nature too :) But I could not deal with the winters so moved down here to Florida in June.

So there you go, thats my association with the Sox and Boston.

Matszuka is slipping a bit...bottom of the 7th with runners on 1st and 3rd. 2 out

Hail Hail

sorry 1 out

Hail Hail

Fly ball is to shallow left field fails to drive in the run from third.

1 away with 2 on.

'GG

UKNEW MIKE
From a seed grows a garden ,get it going on the bus .
Give it an airing to the CQN crowd in BBs .
Then be proud as punch as it is sung with gusto in CP .
The good news is it shows our appreciation for a skillful CELTIC player and is not offensive .Uknew your claim fame awaits you
hail hail .

2 out and now TB need a hit to tie the game.

'GG

Third out from slow grounder.

Boston hold their 1 run lead after 7.

'GG

YESS..Got em out. Great play to end the inning.

Cant believe how well Matszuka is pitching.

GO SOX

Hail Hail

Dice-K gets out of a Jam as Bay blow the chance to score not even a sacrifice .....very important innings time for red sox to "cowboy up" and put some insurance runs on the board

Geez, why cant I spell his name properly??
Matsuzaka, Matsuzaka, Matsuzaka I'll get it right eventually.

Hail Hail

DB

Where in Fl are you located?
Was down in the Keys in spring and it was gorgeous.
Not sure I could take the heat, humidity and thunderstorms of summer and fall.
Not to mention the hurricanes.

No doubt I will be craving the heat come February in the north east.

'GG loving the clear skies and low 70s we've been having the last 3 days or so.

dublinbhoy
Iteresting Insight into why you became a SOX fan .
Maybe the leaders of our great FOOTBALL club have not overlooked this ,in the bigger scheme of things
EXAMPLE .A neutral just finding an interest in football in glasgow .
choice 1....... a team with a reputatoin for bigoted fans ,or
choice 2 .......a team open to all

Pitcher change.

Any thoughts on Scotland's chances tomorrow?
Or like me doesn't anyone care?
I would love to hear that Weir got a bruising from Carew and McManus was badly missed.

'GG

Talking sox tactics for the 8th I suggest we bring on Manny Declarmen to relieve Dice-K in the 8th then leave Papelbon to complete the save in the 9th

'GG

I'm in Ft Lauderdale. I'm not bothered by the heat at all, its the darn humidity thats the killer. I've got to go out and get a dehumidifier tomorrow, its driving me nuts.
I quite like the thunder and lightening storms, they can be spectacular. A couple of hurricanes came fairly close but no direct hits...just a lot of rain, monsoon like for the last couple of weeks. The real joy will be when winter comes though...I can take the mick out of my mates up in Boston as they dig their cars out from under 6 feet of snow for the third time in a week :))

Hail Hail

Off to my kip now lads daylights about to come in and there is a guy kicking about with a stake in his hand .
FANGS for a great evening
hail hail

Ortiz at the plate with 1 out 1 on. Top of the 8th.

Stolen base for Boston.
Walk for Ortiz.
2 on 1 out.

'GG

Counting my chickens slightly but a sacrifice from Youkilis would double our lead with Pedroia and Ortiz on base

Watch out for that silver bullet Fergus.

'GG

UNEW MIKE

Yep, completely agree with your choice of pitchers. Delcarmen is very good for an inning and Papelbon is a must to finish up.

fergus:

I can not see how any neutral can pick any other than Celtic when they play...and thankfully that is pretty much the case. You can see it in any of the clubs here..the Americans can see the passion of the fans and get very interested. They're hooked in a very short time. They may not become club members but will always cheer us on.

YESSS Boston up 2-0 with with runners on 2nd and 3rd!!!!! Only 1 out!

Hail hail

Boston score as fielder errs on sinking drive to left field.

2-0 Boston.

'GG

wot a star yet another double from super kevin Youkilis 2-0 Sox 2 men on base only 1 out go red sox go !

DB

A good friend of mine from the Kearny CSC was a snowbird near Ft Lauderdale this past winter. He was travelling to the Pompano Beach CSC and was made very welcome.
He loved the venue as well as he was needing a good breakfast after the drive.

'GG

Deliberate hit by pitch Bays looking to increase chances of a double play to end the innings

'GG

Ha...thats where I live and thats my new club. Its actually in a place called Lighthouse Point. They are a great bunch of lads. Is he coming down this year?

Hail Hail

Bases loaded fro Boston with 1 out after batter hit by high pitch.

Could be lights out for TB with one swing of the bat.

.GG

DB

I expect he will.
He owns an apartment down there and is virtually retired.
Loves golf almost as much as he does Celtic.

TB get out of a game killing situation but are still 2-0 down.

'GG

'GG

The pub called John L Sullivans. The girl behind the bar, Jane, is English but her ex-husband is a mad Celtic fan...as is her son. It drives her crazy :))

I arrived when the season had ended but went up there to check out the place and to see if any of the bhoys were there. I got talking to her but when she heard I was a Celitc supporters she just said "ah for f**ks sake not another one".

Great chance for the Sox to bury the Rays but caught out. Bottom of the 8th and still 2-0 for the Sox.

Hail Hail

Surprise Matsuzaka (sp) out for the 8th.

How's the Sox bullpen been doing.

Base hit TB driven into left field. 0 outs.

'GG

Time for a call to the bull pen I think. We got to hold the lead.
Tampa have runners on 1st and 2nd with no one out.

Hail Hail

Runner advances on wild pitch.
Line drive stopped at 3rd base but ball bounces away and TB have a man on 1st and 2nd.

Pitcher hooked.

This is building up to an exciting finish.

'GG

I think Terry Francona Sox Manager took a gamble hoping Matsuzaka could get at least one more out in the 8th so that relief pitchers could be held back for Josh Beckett tomorrow,,,,but here's okajima (suprised not to see Delcarmen)

OKAJIMA is easier to spell.
Pitching with 2 runners on base and 0 outs

'GG

Running catch from LF saves a possible run for TB.

Another pitcher change?

'GG

'GG

Ha. Yeah much easier...though he didn't last too long!!! Oki hooked.

Hail Hail

Celtic: Scott Brown tackle + interview celtic 1-0 benfica 06/11/07

I thought Beckett was out injured?

'GG

Masterson on...not looking much better than Okijima.
Its got to be difficult coming out to pitch in this situation.

C'mon Sox get them out.

Hail Hail

Yes, yes, YESS.
Great double play...Sox get out of the mess, just about.

Good work by the young pitcher.

Hail Hail

Double play ends the innings with TB leaving 2 men on base.

They can taste it in Beantown.

'GG

No Beckett should pitch tomorrow on 5 days rest he Beckett came back against the angels having returned from injury but was rusty and took an unexpected loss at Fenway Park

Double play from the desperate house"wife" Eva(n) longoria ends the 8th for TB Red Sox 2-0 moving into the 9th

It looks like TB blew their chance in the 8th.

'GG

TB with their last 3 outs trailing 2-0.

Who will close for Boston?

'GG

dublinbhoy

johnnybhoy easy peasy

'GG

Got to be Papelbon...the games too close for anyone else.

Thunder and lightening here now..torrential rain too.

Hail Hail

Papelbon to the mound.

'GG

hey bostonbhoy

Yup....its got to be game over :) Tempting fate :)

Hail Hail

Celtic: Johnny Doyle – He loved the Celtic

Strike 1
Strike 2
Ball 1 high 97 mph
Strike 3 96 mph.

1 away

Awesome speed and control.

'GG

1 out, very efficient...2 to go

Hail Hail

popped up, Youk catches. 2 down 1 to go.

Hail hail

Pop up for 2nd out.

Drinks on hold in Boston.

'GG

YES GAME OVER....first blood to the Boston Red Sox

Great pitching my Dice-k.

Hail Hail

Yes Strike out wins the game.....2-0 Red Sox away from home :-) !

We don't get baseball down here but just to prove that I am not totaly biased to Celtic, here's a great game that some of you might remember.

Dundee V Hearts 1986 Albert Kidd

dublinbhoy

i told ye pap is class

It's over.

Boston win 2-0 and take a 1-0 lead in the series.

Doing it all again tomorrow night at 8pm EST.

Enjoy it laddies, I will be with my grandaughter. :-))

Don't worry about the cow bells, fried chicken and empty Tropicana cartons.
I'll make sure the cleaners are all finished by the time the sun rises on George Square for Curly and the Tartan Army.
http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/webcams/

'GG

dublinbhoy

did you hear commentators or am i paraniod

That was a good tense first game of the series...and the champions won.

Good talking with you all lhads, time to turn the AC on and hit the hay.

Take care and maybe see yous online tomorrow evening for the next round.

Hail Hail

Hi Kitalba

Great game immortalised in song.

'GG

Missed that bostonbhoy...what did they say?

Hail Hail

No need for AC here db
Perfect temps day and night.

Watching review from studio hoping to see more of the early game.

'GG

Albert Kidd on for last 16 minutes.
What can he do in that time?

'GG

Hi guys, GG:

take it that is the game over and you guys are now off to your beds.

I quite enjoyed that game too. I was down in Manchester (Leigh) at the time and remember the BBC reporting that Hearts had infact beaten Dundee two - nought. I switched off the TV and went into a sullen huff for about four hours before being told the correct score by of all peepil, a Belfast Rangers supporter.

Lifted from the Herald:

“Rangers Football Club was yesterday given the go-ahead for a multimillion-pound development close to its stadium.
The plans include a new hotel and shops around the Glasgow club's Ibrox ground.
It is hoped the development, reportedly to cost £350m, will breathe new life into the rundown Govan area.
Glasgow City Council yesterday agreed to transfer the land to Rangers, noting the project would make a "very significant contribution" to its own redevelopment plans.
Rangers chairman Sir David Murray will now begin a search for partners to back the development.
A club spokesman said yesterday: "This is a significant step forward in an exciting project that can have a major impact in regenerating the Govan area and delivering real benefit to the whole of Glasgow, particularly in view of the Commonwealth Games coming to the city."
The proposals include transforming flats in the Hinshelwood area near the stadium into a complex that will include a hotel and shops, and the redevelopment of a local football pitch. Sir David apologised yesterday at the club's annual meeting for the time spent getting the green light for the scheme, blaming delays at the council.”

So June the 1st did finally get here with the belated backing of the council, but will the ‘Banks’ endorse it?

I’d love to see the South Stand redeveloped just so as I could move my seat. Come on Celtic you know it makes sense.

Kitalba

It's almost 30 minutes after midnight on the warm and sparkling east coast.
No Celtic game and I hate international weekends.
Thank God for post season baseball or I might have to speak to the wife.

'GG handing over to the ham n egg shift.

So now you know. All below was lifted from Vital Football:

"First of all, I would like to say the below article was not written by me, all credit goes to Socrates from Svenskafans.com, I thought I would put it here for our Vital Chelsea contingent to read. But once again, all credit goes to the User Socrates from Svenskafans.com. It is a few parts from his post on that site, read on!

I note with interest some of the earlier posts over the connection between Chelsea and Rangers. Having lived through the development of the relationship (yes I really am that old!) I hope that my perspective helps to throw some light on it.

1. In the sixties it became fashionable at English games to chant Rangers or Celtic, particularly in the half time intervals. At Chelsea this was heavily steered towards Rangers even then. I think it was to do with the disproportionate amount of serving and ex servicemen (and their patriotic leanings) who frequented Chelsea.

Remembering also that the old nickname was the 'Pensioners' referring to the proximity of the Old servicemans home near the ground. They still receive a number of complimentary tickets even today and they can be seen in attendance resplendent in their red regalia. There is however no doubt that the 'bias' towards anything 'Unionist' was also to do with right wing links which became more evident and visible in the 70's with the growth of the NF, with Chelsea being a known recruiting ground. Nothing to be proud of, but a fact and factor nonetheless.

2. The seventies saw a dramatic shift towards the Rangers allegiance. This was definitely due to the IRA bombing campaign in London and north Surrey, from where Chelsea drew its support. The Guildford bombing and its fatalities in particular signalled an outcry against the IRA and anything associated with it. Celtic were seen as sympathetic to the republican cause. Overnight any Celtic chants disappeared.

3. The seventies (and early eighties) were described as the dark days of Chelsea FC when the hooligan element dominated the headlines. At least 2 of the Chelsea 'firms' at the time had their 'leadership' drawn from ex-servicemen, most of whom had served in Ulster. This strengthened the anti IRA, anti Celtic feelings even further. Many had formed personal relationships with Ulster Orangemen and also with Rangers supporters serving in various parts of the world at the time. Some of these Chelsea veterans also formed links with protestant paramilitary groups in Ulster as well after leaving the forces.

4. With the ban on English clubs playing in Europe in the 80's, many more Chelsea fans started travelling with Rangers in Europe, some admittedly for the wrong reasons but the majority for the camaraderie that was now growing between the fan groups. The fan base at the Jolly Malster pub, just off the Fulham Road would arrange trips to Europe and sometimes to Rangers home games. The pub became a meeting place for Chelsea and Rangers fans. It still does. There were 50 or 60 Rangers fans there last year when Chelsea played Celtic in its pre-season 'friendly'. (That`s another story by the way!)

So in summary (and this was meant to be a short note!) I think that the less savoury aspects of the early relationship are behind us leaving a feeling of great friendship and camaraderie. I think those that have not experienced a Rangers/Chelsea game before then you will find that it will be one to be enjoyed as the special relationship between many of the older supporters has a chance to 'live it for real' again."

Kitalba

Couldn't resist commenting on Murray's development plans.
The 700 original amount has now been halved since the original moonbeams landed.
I expect an Icelandic bank will be happy to back this venture.
I think GCC are having a quiet guffaw at giving him the green light.
Is this his tit for tat with the developments in the east end for the games?

'GG Good night all.

`GG.
Thanks to you and the North American lads for the commentary on the draughts.Sorry,believe you call it chequers.
The chess has just started from Bangalore,and godzone have
grabbed two early wickets.
You little beauties!
Kit thanks,remember the `67 game so well.
The thought was : could we really win the big one?
We all know the answer.

The thing I cant get my head around is how can anyone associated with Rangers expect their latest venture to be a success.

A concert arena, retail shops and a Hotel when 5 miles down the road at Braehead there are more shops than any shopaholic housewife could need and a concert arena.

And does Glasow really need another hotel???....In Govan???

Sorry if posted already, but just been reading that Roman Abramovich has lost 12billion pounds- that's 12,000,000,000 pounds, in the stock market collapse.

Now I thought that was more or less what he was worth.

Chelsea owe him 700million. If he wants it back, they have a year to find it.

The part owner of Arsenal (can't remember his name, another Russian I think), has lost 7billion pounds in the crash.

And West Ham could be about to cease trading as their assets will be frozen by the government as part of the "wad war" with Iceland.

Interesting times in the richest league in the world...

Lifted from the Footballeconomy website:

THE FUTURE OF SCOTTISH FOOTBALL – 8/9/08

"In many ways Scottish football has never been in better shape. Per head of population, more of Scotland's inhabitants pay to watch top-flight football in their country than anywhere else in Europe. In 2004-5, 73 per cent of SPL players were Scottish. However, when one is talking about Scottish football, one naturally focuses on 'The Old Firm' because they dominate the game far more than the top four do in England. On the face of it, they are doing well. In Europe, Celtic reached the last 16 of the Champions League for the first time in 2007, losing to eventual winners AC Milan. Rangers reached the Uefa Cup Final. Rangers enjoy a bigger home attendance than Liverpool, while Celtic are 17th in Europe's rich list of clubs, the only operation in the top 20 from a minor domestic league outside of England, France, Germany, Italy and Spain.

Nevertheless, small Premiership teams like Wigan and Fulham with less than 20,000 fans can easily outspend Celtic and Rangers because of television money. As SPL champions for the third successive year, Celtic earned £1.5m from last year's deal with Setanta, whose coverage has received wide praise. The SPL has already agreed their next contract with Setanta which will start in 2010. It's worth £31m per season for the whole league compared with the £35m Derby County alone received for finishing bottom of the Premiership. It's total value is four per cent of the £775m Premiership deal. The Old Firm need somehow to get in a virtuous circle: they need success in Europe to be able to spend money, but they have to succeed in Europe to have the money to spend. Moreover, there is always the risk that Scotland could lose one of its two Champions League places if its Uefa coefficient falls.

So what's the answer? The Old Firm would like to be in the Premiership, but the Premiership doesn't want them. The one thing they would bring is a massive international support base at a time when that is becoming more important to the Premiership. But their presence would do nothing to help the bottom line of the leading clubs, while those down the league would not want two new competitors. In the early days of this page, we reported on the idea of an Atlantic League which would bring together some of the less important European football countries such as Holland, Portugal and Scotland. Uefa is talking informally to Belgium and the Netherlands about a new league, but that is hardly likely to involve Scotland. The Scandinavian Royal League, a winter competition, was a flop.

Investors from the Middle East and elsewhere are unlikely to be attracted to Scotland while there are still plenty of interesting English clubs potentially on the market. Glasgow is a much more attractive city than when I lived there nearly forty years ago, but it is not a world city like London, nor does it have the football glamour of Manchester. In financial terms, Celtic are the stronger club, making an annual profit of £10-£15m. But if they did pull away financially from Rangers, the Old Firm rivalry would be weakened and that is really the mainstay of Scottish football."

AAAAHHHHHHHH

It's all clear now....

To all you doubters who don't beleive Mr Murray will sort out the finance for the new 'bigotdome,' doubt no more!

Irrefutible proof of his new money making scheme is here, AND he's called in the favours of the Police in this one...

Murray's Financial Masterplan

Hail Hail

Anyone noticed how Rangers have been saying that Glasgow City Council will "transfer" the land around Ibrox to Rangers, but the Council themselves say they will sell "at market rates".

Now if Ibrox is worth £100million, the surrounding land must be worth a fortune too, no?

Italiabhoy 8.43

I was just thinking the same thing.

Can anyone shed some light on what Rangers are having to pay for this land?

If they are being gifted it,then why?

Wouldn't the tax payer be getting ripped off?

If Rangers are being gifted land worth millions of pounds,it is scandalous.

It will be interesting to see what Ibrox is valued at ,for the next set of accounts.

I know that in my area, residential house prices have dropped a staggering 20% between August 07 and August 08.

Some experts are estimating a further 20% drop in the next year.

Whilst residental and commercial property do vary in value,the trend's ,as to whether prices are increasing or decreasing tend to be quite similar.

If a chartered surveyor was to accurately show the vast depreciation in the value of Ibrox.I think that this would make Rangers insolvent.

Rangers certainly would not have the same level of mythical equity,that allows there current level of leverage on there debt.

One thing that would help them massively ,would be a gift of land at values without planning permission,that they then obtained planning permission on.

I smell a scandal here.

This needs investigating.

Italiabhoy and eventheolivesarebleeding,

I hope someone can explain the conundrum. It has been concerning since I caught the item on BBC Scotland yesterday evening , where they referred to the land being transferred to Murray's Mob. Yesterday there was reference on here to the Council saying otherwise. Can anyone clarify matters?

Kitalba, was great to watch that Dundee/Hearts match as a `neutral`. Was also good to see some players on the losing side, like Sandy Clark, what was he like in those shorts! Also to see John Brown playing for Dundee, and still ending up on the losing side!! That wasn`t oor Tosh playing full back for Dundee, was it?

question for the scottish media

hypothetical situation but not far fetched

if Chelsea play in Edinburgh and their fans wreck parliament square and the royal mile, leave a mountain of sewage and urinate over monuments of historical importance and abuse the locals whilst singing sectarian songs against john knox

If they turn up in Glasgow a couple of months later, wreck George Sq, thousands of them riot , attack the police and leave a trail of destruction all over the city

follow that up with anti scottish racist taunts and abuse at every subsequent game , followed by a life threatening attack on Alex McLeish, just because he's scottish

would the media pass it off as banter

and if roman abramovich's response was that we should be more worried about being overweight

would that be acceptable

or would they run front page stories about john terry's bentley getting scratched

Morning

Panto Season Begins Early In Glesga.

R*ngers AGM gets a laugh and Irish racisim from a former smash hits editor, maybe?

From what I have read the land has been agreed in principal to be sold to The Huns.

morning lads.If the land has been sold to moonbeans under value surely somebody should report it to the public accounts local ombusman .Market value and nothing else,Glasgow city council should know better.

morning lads.If the land has been sold to moonbeans under value surely somebody should report it to the public accounts local ombusman .Market value and nothing else,Glasgow city council should know better.

Barcabhoy

I like your analogy.

I think they would definitely run with the bentley story. Definitely. That's the really important thing here.

Michael Collins

You have asked the key question. A retail, concert and hotel complex in that part of Glasgow cannot possibly be a commercial success at this time, even if Rangers could come up with the capital required.

Mr Murray would be better off attempting to establish a chain of Icelandic-themed restaurants around the City of London.