Reid responds to Murray's respect for Celtic, "without fear or favour"

let the people sing

ulster-celt

Quite right

superb

Bronze Medal to the usual place Paul me old shun

excellent, an immediate response to send this issue right back to where it belongs

right back to Moonbeams

HELLO TO JIM SHUN IN PERTH AUSTRALIA

Who would take the good Dr on in a verbal square go? Ma money's on the doc.

Paul Shun

What an excellent, immediate response from Dr John Reid

Absolutely Superb

Particularly

"In any case, no one should be under any illusion that in defending the welfare of Celtic and our supporters I will continue to comment when appropriate, without fear or favour.

HERE WE GO, 4 IN A ROW

HELLO TO JIM SHUN IN PERTH, AUSTRALIA

Questions you might well hear Chico ask:

Sir David, are you surprised that the anniversary of your magnificent arrival at Rangers isn't a national holiday and will you be starting a campaign to put that right?

Imatim, CharlotteSquareHotlineCSC :-)

A top ten finish for the nightshift.

Murray sounds churlish these days.
"For every fiver they spend we will sign a Bosman?"

'GG blinking in the daylight.

Sorry Sir Dave but you are messing with the wrong Rottweiller.

Dr Reid shows his nounce if not his class. Give Sir Dave enough rope

Does anyone think Murray has just lost his battle of words? Which he brought on himself by the way.

OH HOKI KOKI KOKI

If you're watching David.

THAT'S how you do dignity.

Blogger GG

"for every fiver they spend, we'll sign a bosman"

World Class Shun, I like it

HERE WE GO, 4 IN A ROW

Just in from Sky Sports

Celtic will be without Italian midfielder Massimo Donati for next week's UEFA Champions League trip to Aalborg BK.

The 27-year-old former AC Milan man broke a toe in training and will now have to endure a spell on the sidelines

Still laughing on the train home from Inverness about how quick we responded

OUTstanding

Moonbeams will be ragin and no doubt claim he has been misqouted

HERE WE GO, 4 IN A ROW

John Reid please take a bow. Can't wait for the next instalment.

Dr John Reid 1
Minty Moonbeams 0

HERE WE GO, 4 IN A ROW

its all very well gloating at their self implosion but now is the time for us to tighten up in our "singing". give them nothing to throw back at us. Not an inch!

hail hail

Nice response from John Reid.

Reid was polite and and at the same time condescending in the minimum amount of words.

Murray picked a fight with the wrong guy

Sign the Shaddows

The War Lord

Has Murray just managed to give TFS more coverage on the BBC than everyone else put together?

"without fear or favour"

Who has the IP on that,

I see a t-shirt in it...

actually just found it's origination interesting.

Lennondinho18, it sure was.

WeeChrisMorris, deleted.

Ok WeeChrisMorris... I'm going to regret this as I believe your trying to annoy users here.

But your Not Funny.

B

Has anyone seen the skysports news report on Donati being injured, they described him as being a "no-nosense midfielder". I think they need to review the standard of their journalism.

I nearly fell off my seat laughing

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11095_4525446,00.html

green vespa,

Well said. Everyone conected with Celtic FC should be thinking along these lines. Every away game will be "miked" at our end to ensure that any foul chants are clear for all to hear during live games. Do not give them anything to discuss.

http://www.catholicweekly.com.au/03/may/25/18.html

not my comment this is where it was taken from

interesting article 'mind.

Paul Shun

well done on the John Reid Quotes

they are not even on the Celtic Website yet shun

is Pacem in Terris now defunct due to all seaters ?

Paul, BromleyBhoy

Apologies to all.

WCM

Sorry Guy's

Will behave from now on!!

Sad News about Mo Mo Massimo

he has done well and showed a new hunger to get his place back in the team

Get well soon shun

.

Moonbeams: "Get Samaras on the Phone...."

Walt Disnae: "Ermm.... The Phones Broke Dave...."

Moonbeams: "Take the Lear Jet to Manchester and Get Him...."

Walt Disnae: "Ermm....The Lear Jet Has a Flat Tyre Dave...."

Moonbeams: "Is Miller Fit....????"

Walt Disnae: "Will l Phone Chick....????"

o1bhoy

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Minty Moonbeams taught the band to play
They've been going in and out of style
But guaranteed to raise a smile.
So may I introduce to you
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Minty Moonbeams´s Lonely Hearts Club Band.
They're Minty Moonbeams Lonely Hearts Club Band,
We hope you will enjoy the show,
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Sit back and let the evening go.
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Minty Moonbeams Lonely Hearts Club Band.
It's wonderful to be here,
It's certainly a thrill.
You're such a lovely audience,
We'd like to take you home with us,
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I don't really want to stop the show,
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And he wants you all to sing along.
So let me introduce to you
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And Minty Moonbeam's Lonely Hearts Club Band

Paul67.
From the previous article,

It beggers believe that anyone could come out with a statement like that,and hope that it will fall at Celtics door.
As soon as I read it my first thought went to the state of his mind.
These comments are coming from a man under great strain,and where would these pressures come from.
The Banks,Trying to claw back some of the interest that is owed on his borrowing they could be pressurising him into cutting back.
The World Economy.That must be putting tremendous pressure on him.
His Supporters.Well they would strain even god,but I think he gave up on him Over 100 years ago.
EUFA&FIFA.Are they beginning to exert pressure on him.
His Investments.A good option a few years ago,but decidedly a bad choice in the current environment.
Theres Seven things that would put enormous pressure an anyone,and when your under so much pressure you look for someone to blame.
So he picked Poor wee John Reid to vent his anger,Now theres a choice to pick if you want to vent your Anger on anyone.
I'm sure Mr Reid is quivering behind some settee at the thought of the great SDM is out to get him,Our Chairman,perish the thought.

Theres people who will think that this is bad press for Celtic,I can't see any bad press coming to Celtic.Me,I think it's the rants of a very sick man,And I should say I pity him? but I wont.

Pauls correct in his summation that SDM should and could have solved some of the inherrent problems that are ingrained into the very structures that are Ibrox Park.
The start was made when they started signing Catholics,A bold step in those first months when he took over the Ownership,but he made the mistake of not getting rid of the organised hatred that eminates from the mouths of the Hunnish hoards.

My final word on this subject.
The PRESS.Oh how they must have enjoyed their meeting with SDM.I would imagine it would be similar to the utterances of Jim Traynor when he wrote in his column.Of succulent Lamb being served and washed down By the best French Wine.Traynor I must say my mouth was watering when you wrote that piece,but I was also laughing when you uttered such tripe.
Little did you know that your utterances would come back to haunt you.Again and Again.
And what about Sick Young.How any man could ingratiate himself with anything Rangers after such a vile verbal attack by the manager called the cardigan.To allow that man to to degrade you so much,I'll finish where I started,It beggers believe

Not the good doctor's biggest fan but credit where credit's due on this one.

Really liked the without fear or favour, really has Murray summed up. Murray operates by using both .

We aren't afraid and we don't need your favour.

Whitedog

Nice work with the Pacem in Terris stuff.

I think you should have a business idea lightbulb on your T-shirt post.

The original Murray statement didn’t go down well on F/F. They looked upon it as weak and too little too late. Now that the good Doctor has replied, here are a couple of quotes from the inmates:

“For Reid, it must have been like being savaged by a dead sheep. A guy like Murray won't hold any fears for Reid, unfortunately”

“See, that's what real Chairman do, they respond in defence of their clubs, and in double quick time.”

“Exactly what I said would be the response in another thread. Reid wins again and Murray looks like the amateur he is.”

“We can expect another attack on the fans/club any time soon from Reid. Murray's sabre rattling will only end up in a battle our club management have no stomach for. Resulting in another capitulation from us. We, the fans, will pay the price for their weakness in defending us in the past”

Well done John Reid.

Well done John Reid - how can they respond to that?!

He'll be sitting in his wee hun hoose, nursing his anger like a wummin's wrath.....

Questions you won't hear Chick Young or Jim Traynor ask David Murray:

No. 5

"Sir David, at a time when Rangers are trying to distance themselves from the extremist element of the club's support, what is your view on Rangers Employee Andy Cameron making a tribute speech at a senior UDA member's funeral?"

I have said it before and I will say it again...David Murray is a bigot. I have experienced it first hand...

The most astonishing aspect about the Famine Song furore is that despite noises from the Scottish football authorities, the polis, politicians in various Parliaments, bugger all happens.
Sir David is allowed to sit there with his fingers in his ears, in "la-la land", never ever admitting anything but making it ubundantly clear by what he doesnt say that he has no objectiosn to that racist rant, and until some authority ACTS, rather than mouths platitides, then it will continue and the knuckle draggers will continue to belt it out at every opportunity. But with people like Taylor in UEFA, Peat , Smith, and Alex Salmond for that matter, I for one will not be holding my breath.

Murray
he lost it last year when speaking of how much Celtic willing to pay Scott Broony.

What would you think if we sang you a tune,
that was the end of Minty Murray
Lend me your ears and we'll sing you this song,
And it wont get reported by the BBC
Oh I get by with a little help from my friends,
I get high with a little help from my friends,
Oh I'm gonna try with a little help from my friends.

What do I do when my love is away.
(Does it worry you to be alone)
How do I feel by the end of the day
(Are you sad because you're on your own)
No, I get by with a little help from my friends,
Mmm I get high with a little help from my friends,
Mmm I'm gonna to try with a little help from my friends

Do you need anybody?
I need somebody to love.
Could it be anybody?
I want somebody to love.

Would you believe in a love at first sight?
Yes I'm certain that it happens all the time.
What do you see when you turn out the light?
I see a nation that should listen to me
Oh I get by with a little help from my friends,
Mmm I get high with a little help from my friends,
Oh I'm gonna try with a little help from my friends

Do you need anybody?
I just need someone to love.
Could it be anybody?
I want somebody to love
Oh...
I get by with a little help from my friends,
I'm gonna try with a little help from my friends
I get high with a little help from my friends
Yes I get by with a little help from my friends,
with a little help from my friends

Perfect response from Reid. How infuriating for Murray that the man he has attempted to spear with his big-whoopee-doo TV exclusive responds with such mitrthful condescending contempt.

Also very astute of Reid to focus on the essential inanity at the heart of Murray's statement- "What's that David? Sorry, non comprende old boy. Listen, never mind, have a great wee birthday party anyway."

Also like the lack of "Sir".

You don't call me doctor...

Celtic_First

I have just secured a loan with HBOS on the back of my metalwork
standard grade and they the t-shirts are now being stitched up as we speak.

Poor Murray having to defend the indefensible.

With respect to Brian Quinn, who I thought was a fantastic chairman, I think we might have to go as far back as Bob Kelly to get a statement like that from a chairman of Celtic FC.

Murray might have his poodles and his spin machine but who can compete with the spin machine that was the Labour party. Your out of your league Murray. The truth will relieve you of all your stress. Come on its good therapy, you KNOW you want to.

Thats it...you can do it....The Famine Song is racist...There that wasnt so hard was it?

Now, come in to the light......

WDH

Will have phone number for you later tonight re that business you asked about earlier this week

Lennondinho18, not sure how important it is for the official site to be drawn into this one.....

WeeChrisMorris, no probs.

oldtim67, he is indeed getting it from all angles at the moment.

Whitedoghunch, so HBOS are backing metal businesses again? Maybe it’s time for Murray to get back into metals.

Whitedog

Flaunt it baby.

And remember, eight out of ten consumers are willing to pay a premium for fair trade products, or used to be before life got tricky.

Part of Murray's problem here is the big 'the circus is coming to town' build-up they all give it whenever he deigns to throw the lapdogs some Winalot and share some wisdom.

Even Rangers fans don't fall for that any more.

I once mentioned my 'murray experience' to jim traynor who replied that he wasn't surprised. He told me that murray often finishes his phone calls with, "...got to go, got an empire to run. No surrender!"

Picture yourself in a tub on a river
With tangerine tops and marmalade pies
Somebody calls you, you answer quite slowly
it´s Uefa with kaleidoscope eyes

Cellophane flowers white, yellow and green
Towering over your head
Look at the past with the sun in her eyes
And she's gone

Questions you won't hear Chick Young or Jim Traynor ask David Murray:

No. 6

Just how much DID it hurt, on THAT Thursday at Pittodrie in May? (Sorry, you WERE THERE, I take it?)

feel like Paul here:

inkybhoy ta boss

Paul even the 'Metallers' are finding it tough with Metallica drummer Lars Ulrich forced to keep hold of a FrancidsBacon the other week - didn't quite reach th 80 mill or something

Celtic_First

Fairtrade I believe was one of the few consumer retail areas to actually grow of recent 1/1.5 %

and I need to get out more

It's amazing how David Murray say's he will not let just anyone take over his club. David Murray will need to get out fast if his team do not win the league this year. With Funds running lower than low and the fact that the Title deeds of "Murray Park", are actually owned by HBOS.

The only reason the bank has not done the same to which they done with Leeds United is because part of Ibrox is a listed building. Murray continues to pull the wool over the eyes of his clubs supporters but slowly and surely the fans backlash will provail,

The Alan Hutton cash was used to balance the books of his sister company ENICA. FACT.

The more things like this continue to happen and the lack of crazy ideas(i.e) Redevelopment of Ibrox, hotel casino the fans will vent their frustrations.

This is one of the main reason Murray continues to back his supporters on such shocking Non condemnation of Sectarian behaviour as he knows the end for Mr murray is in the horizon.

WCM

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Minty Moonbeams´s Lonely Hearts Club Band
We're sorry but its time to go.
Minty moonbeams's lonely.
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WeeBobbyCollins

If James Traynor is unsurprised at your report of bigoted behaviour from the great one, why is he still eating Winalot from the guy's hand?

Re questions Chick Young might ask.... "Is that nice, Sir David?"

Paul I hope the official site reports this asap for a couple of reasons. Firstly because John Reid has just made an important public statement as our Chairman not in any other capacity and I expect to see ALL such utterances on the site. Secondly to fail to do so could give the impression the club were not acting and thinking as one on this issue. We are neither embarrassed or ashamed of the sentiments so express them. We have our own constituency to take with us and this is another example of clarity. I was disappointed that that the club did not make more of our Chairman's definition on the songs issue which he clarified at the AGM.

Awe_Naw...........enough wi the Beatles !!!!

Some things are beyond parody :o)))

pablophanque

Pablo,

I read the news today oh Bhoy .... :-) :-) :-)

In getting his response out so quickly JR has ensured that DM is prevented from having even one evening in control of the news agenda.

Although the statement is brief it manages to be humorous, condescending and dis-respectful to 'David' and at the same time he makes it clear that he will not be intimidated.

Oh to be a fly on the wall at Charlotte Square this afternoon...

am no happy about aw this inference and innuendo

I posted the following on and to be honest, now that I have seen Our Chairmans response I have an even higher regard for our men at the top (The reaction from FF cements this).

Now it is time for the fans to add their support.

"Many on here,myself included, have called for an end to the OF tag and it's inherent tacit agreement to stand together in the boardrooms to ensure financial and political strength remains with the clubs.

It appears to me, and maybe I am just hoping here, that this statement and the expected retorts from Celtic Park, will lead to a distancing in the "special" relationship. If nothing else comes of it this will certainly be a major plus.

Minty has thrown his gauntlet down. He did not do so without careful consideration and advice regards the ramifications of an unprecedented attack on the Celtic chairman.

The powers at Celtic Park will have time to decide on a reply, and reply they must as not to would be to lose all credibility. I believe we have men at the top who can more than take care of themselves in a war of words. It helps to have right on your side.

Complacency can be dangerous. This "interview" was not undertaken lightly. The good guys don't always win so care must be taken.

We as fans need to do more to highlight the root of the problem. There was much printed and spoken of when a small number of fans left Celtic Park in protest. Imagine what would happen then, come the next Derby match, when the GA start up their bile in the knowledge that they have the backing of their board and mcuh of the establishment, if the whole away support leave the stadium?

No media would be able to ignore such a condemnation through peaceful protest. No amount of Media House spin would deflect from the problem. It would be picked up worldwide and the apologists in their club, the MSP's & MP's, the SFA/SPL and the countries excuse for a media would be shown for what they are. bigots or cowards.

Yes the board must reply. We as fans must also continue to bring this racism to as wide a public as possible.

Not long ago a member of their supporters representatives openly advocated civil unrest amongst his bretheren and escaped condemnation. We can rise above this, it will carry more weight and escalate the problem within our country to a new level. We will not win the argument in Scotland, sad to say. We may win if we take it to a larger audience. Peaceful Protest.......then Right Will Win."

BRING IT ON

Alasdair MacLean,
It hurt him as much as you (and us) loved it Id say!

Awe_Naw.............

Digging A Hole :o)))

pablophanque

Awe_Naw_No_Annoni_Oan_Anaw_Noo November 20, 2008 4:51 PM

"Pablo,

I read the news today oh Bhoy .... :-) :-) :-)"

4000 holes in Minty's argument.....:>))

Raverheart35 4:08

Exactly! Further

In saying " but I'm not entirely sure of the points he is trying to make regarding inference and innuendo."

Reid has invited Murray to do just that, give TFS an even higher public profile. I'm betting that Murray wil not be drawn further for it would require him to answer the question no one has had the balls to ask him and that is

Mr Murray what is your own personal view on The Famine Song and do you condemn it?

I like the "indulge David" bit,thats pure class,treating him with kid gloves and also mocking the press falling over themselves to get an interview,pure class Dr John!

BTW some funny stuff on this on the Generic Huns thread on KDS. (if you have finished reading CQN of course)

Classic New Celtic Rebuttal Strategy, I do believe. Brilliant Mr. Reid, like stealing political candy from a baby.

Careless talk from Murray pinned down with precision by John Reid. Let's be clear, there was no inference, no coded suggestion, he slammed them then and Murray's blethering allowed them to be slammed again.

Come on Murray, now what have you got to say? Dare you say it after today's rebuttal? My advice? Murray... schtoom.

In a rational nation, with a rational media, the spat between the two should act to highlight the real issue. Let's see.

Without fear or favour... that works so well because it is exactly how journalists in Scotland have failed in their duties for the 20 year reign of Murray.

A fine job, John Reid.

Is it just me, or can anyone else sense something major is happening?

McGrain

JHC!

David Murray must be hunkering in a corner, sweating profusely, red faced and crying bitterly with frustration.

Little bit of advice SDM. Know your enemies.

Oh .... and I almost forgot ......

"Happy birthday to yooohoooo!"

Whitedoghunch

Loved this bit from the link

The media “have a strict duty to foster justice and solidarity in human relationships at all levels of society”, he says. “This does not mean glossing over grievances and divisions but getting at their roots so that they can be understood and healed.”

A policy more ignored than observed in Scotland.

See the people standing there
Who disagree and never win
And wonder why they don't get in my door

Paul, WGS

Ivan Klasnic
http://sport.setanta.com/en/Sport/News/Football/2008/11/20/Ligue1-Kita-on-Klasnic/

Interesting development.

Would Chick Young ask the question - "Sir Minty my love, any chance of some succulent lamb or finest red wine your gorgeousness?"
And could it be that we are all analysing this too far and that the simple fact is that Sir Minty, rather than pandering to the unsavoury ,but clearly minority, of his support is simply stating his own beliefs and that, as weebobbycollins and everyone who has met the man says he is an aggressive bullying bigot???

Murray if you want to continue to bully the media fine.

You are a liar if you accuse John Reid of inuendo.
He told Rangers straight, no inuendo in my book, the Famine song is racist and Celtic aren't a selling club.

Your fake humility about making mistakes years ago doesn't wash.
For every £5 etc. You area washed up fool in charge of a fan base you are actually scared to face off.

Rule Britannia, you can't even rule Scotland.

This isn't 1990 when we had an impotent board and couldn't callange you on or off the field.

I hope to see Celtic continue with the message that we are different. A start would be an end to joint sponsorship deals.

I predict that the verb "indulge" and the adjective "indulgent" will now replace the phrase "astounded of forehead" as most used on CQN..

Actually, I've just indulged in a little predicting myself!!

Whitedoghunch, maybe Lars is saving up for a Howson.

WeeChrisMorris, happy to throw scorn on DM all day long, but your “FACT” regarding “ENICA” (perhaps ENIC?) is in fact not so.

Also, the listed aspect of Ibrox has little no bearing on the bank’s management of the account.

Andycol, I don’t know if the official site will comment or not, but as I said earlier, this is not a Celtic issue so I would prefer a low key response. More importantly, the criticisms from Murray were about John Reid, not Celtic Football Club; the response came from John Reid, not Celtic Football Club.

airdrie onion, Stand Up for Airdrie.

WGS, I don’t know the player.

Lurgan53, I predict, that you predict correctly.

Well done to our Chairman for standing up to Murray's nonsense.

He really is between the proverbial rock/ hard place. He cannot admit that TFS is racist or he alienates a lot of his own fans and he can't say that it is fine to sing it because he will be hammered.

Do you really think he can sell the club right now?? Bet he wishes he could!

Aw Naw

Great stuff.

Four thousand holes in Blackburn Lanacashire
And though the holes were rather small
Sir David kept on digging in them all.

Paul - was JR not speaking on either occasion as Chair of CFC?

Mcgraininspain, I’m sure he was but while I’m sure a criticism of the club or fans would be rebuffed on the official site, a criticism of a director is less clear. In fact, I cannot think of a precedent for this one.

Sorry Pablo

The Hendersons will all be there
Late of Pablo Fanques Fair, what a scene!

Over men and horses hoops and garters
Lastly through a hogshead of real fire!
In this way Mr. Kite will challenge the world!

Paul

Do you think Dr Reid and the blog doctor are related?

I guess anyone can say what they like about Dr. John Reid.
plenty on here have.
I think we have got exactly the right chairman we need in this time.

I also think he could become to be seen as over-seeing a historic time for the club.

I suggested the day Dr. Reid issued his original statement about TFS that Celtic had a long term stategy in mind that involved more than just appeasing the establishment.

Maybe, just maybe, going along with Club's tactics so as not to allow any free, even if erronious, ammunition being gifted to the media(our enemy in this matter and no mistake)is the fans part to play in securing this victory.

Say what you like about Dr. John Reid, but perhaps some on here are starting to realise the guy is on our side, is one of us and is probably the best in Britain when you have a dirty fight on your hands in any political arena.

I am not trying to tell anyone what to do or what to sing or not to sing.

But I don't accept that the Club is trying to shed it's Irish identity, not a bit of it.

An earlier poster asked:
"Is it just me, or can anyone else sense something major is happening?"

Isn't just possible that The Club knows what it is doing?
And, in Dr. John Reid know they have the right man for job?

What if...

Question Time in Glasgow tonight.

"Ah'd like tae ass eh panel how is it we cannae sing whit we want bit they can?

Paul 67,
The hutton money was questioned at the recent Rangers AGM. The question was based around the fact that an investor in Rangers who works as a director for a local Bread firm( Dont Buy Mothers Pride :) was unhappy at the lack of tranfer cash available compared to recent years and indeed mentioned David Murray's Morals around how he invests his cash( Enic) minus A (Sorry).

He apparently dug deep and found that Murray did indeed Use the cash to Balance the books so to speak as he has used Enic over recent years to splash cash into the football club.

This Investor no longer "invests" his hard earned cash into rangers as he was subject of an apparrent "buy out" due to his questioning at the AGM and previous enquiries.

Again this info is "Alleged" but came from a source who is pretty well connected with both this person and also a gentlemen who indeed Dealt with the Rangers account in another European Capital.

Around the listed Building, I agree, but the purchasers are very loathed to buy the club as they are looking at opportunities to do something different with the staduim and surrounding area. This indeed could be the stumbling block for DM selling the club.

WCM

Your thoughts m8

Did the good knight imply that John Reid would not be reelected to Airdrie and Shotts as the good souls of North Lanarkshire would not vote for someone connected with Celtic?

Not since James Dempsey stood in 1959 has a labour seat in the Coatbridge and Airdrie area been under threat because a Catholic was standing for election.
Apart from Dempsey himself, some very distinguished politicians have represented the area including Peggy Herbison and John Smith.

Does the black knight believe that the bigots who spout hate and racism would actually have the intelligence to vote en masse for a "SEND THEM BACK" candidate?

Back in the corner David, lick your wounds and listen to the bleating of your wooly minded media mates.

'GG enjoying the daylight

Things have reached a pretty pass when Dr Reid features prominently on this blog and there are virtually no criticisms made of him. As I posted earlier, Murray has united us in a way I could not have foreseen. Once again, well done Zsa Zsa. No, not for your unparalleled mismanagement of the last 20 years, but for your ability to forge partnerships among Celtic fans the world over.

Allgreen,

Never mind ruling Scotland,

he cannpt e4ven rule his own club.

Martin.

the murray ship holed below the water line anybody got a leaking lifejacket for the tosser

Questions Chick wont ask -
" Sir Minty, conservative estimates are that, over the past 20 years, you personally have trousered over £120M in selling of shares, trading agreements on everything from pies to youth players where your cut is a straightforward 20% and that Murray Park is indeed owned by you and leased to RFC at an exhorbitant rate! What have you done with all that hard conned cash your mightiness and do you believe the truth will ever come out? And what do you make of that beastly so called Doctor Reid?"

David Dimbleby- "Who just asked that question?.....Aah,you there sir,the Gash Nesbitt looking jakey on the right."

TRAVEDONATIM on November 20, 2008 4:25 PM

Do not despair. There is much going on about TFS at many levels. Individuals have written e mails/letters and had buck passing or unsatisfactory responses.

Evidence is accruing with every passing day of inaction/non condemnation.

An Irish MEP Eion Ryan has been invited to Scotland by the Scottish Government to discuss Irish racism.Write to him (Google it)with your views. (I have)

Wee George keeps on raising it publically and now Minty himself has brought it back into the limelight.

Celtic in the shape of John Reid are fighting our corner.

Sooner or later the question will be asked who is taking responsibility for running Scotland and in the absence of evidence to back their stand off policy Salmond will have to do something.

SDM got his TFS strategy wrong from the start. Tackling TFS offered him the best chance he ever had of cleaning up Ranger's act and he miscontrolled the pass. The ball is rolling further and further from his control with each passing day.

What does he expect to happen, that TFS will be declared non racist or will just go way of its own accord?

Patience!

Murrays self inflated ego is unsurpassed
his words the day are of the village idiot
this from the man who would be king

As Franklin D Roosevelt said " A day that will live in hilarity"

mcgraininspain

I get that feeling too, I think we're likely to see a big move against sectarianism in the next six to twelve months. The Scottish Government will probably have something to say about it, and the SFA may even resort to docking points, as they've been threatening to do for a while now. Singing of the Billy Boys has more or less disappeared from Ibrox in the last year or so and, while TFS has reared its head, I don't think that'll be allowed to stand for much longer. Sooner or later Minty is going to have to condemn the song as being hateful, sectarian bile, or risk Rankers having a few points taken off them, which they can ill afford right now.

celtic_first @ 4.43, why indeed! Another establishment lackey queueing at the trough.

Sorry, did I miss something?

Weren't we told earlier that Murray was about to give us news that would make Celtic fans unhappy? :)))

What about a scenario where we're, say, 12 points clear in the league - TFOD may get docked points then if it doesn't affect the title race? Assuming that no team ever comes from 12 points behind to win :>)

WeeChrisMorris, the legend of the ENIC transaction dates back to a comment on the Rangers accounts some years ago. I am very familiar with the matter and can confirm that it was concluded (and noted in subsequent accounts) a couple of years back.

The paper trail for the Hutton transaction was detailed in this year’s accounts, both in terms of balance sheet and cash transactions.

Hoopeddreams, as far as I’m aware, it’s only you and me on here, and at least one of us has multiple personalities.

RRC, of course the club knows what it is doing, but there is a constituency ready to jump on it for any apparent failure, even one which cannot be clearly explained.

Hooptime, Auldheid, deleted, language.

martin42

I think that's part of his problem.
Any attempt to bring Rangers into the 21st centuary only works to a point.

For too long they have been able to do as they please and as the world changes what they have done is now not so acceptable.

Murray is not financially strong enough to fight the looney element in his support.Ibrox would be half empty if Murray tried to tackle sectarianism/racism full on. The battle he has isn't with decent blokes like Ed, it's with those who don't see a problem exists.

After all Bain asked fans to stop singing The Famine Song as it could cause Rangers problems, not because it is morally wrong and racist.

I am very disappointed that he is never questioned on his opinions.

His interviews are rarely interviews, just a chance for him to spout forth
The media just seem so glad that he talks to them and as a result he gets away with anything he says as gospel.

Murray "When it's time to walk, I'll walk". About spat my cup of tea over my laptop at that one. Classic.

RRC 5.27 and Drunken Lullabies 5.43

I think you're both right. I tihnk the club is very clear in its strategy to distance itself as an ethos, brand and football club from Rangers.

There can be no footballing, business or ethical future in being associated with such an anachronism, such a tarnished brand and I sense that is the change.

Clear green water?

As a matter of interest what will Murray do if John Reid doesn't watch what he says in future?

Bore him to death?
Offer him the name of his hairpiece supplier/

Perhaps John Reid should challange him to a live televised one to one USA politics style and tear him a new one.

paul67

Let us see what column inches are given to John Reid's reaction to Murray's astonishly blind comments.

Liberal well intentioned Celtic fans still waiting patiently, for something to be done by officialdom about 'that song' are living in cloud cuckoo land.

Murray's latest comments and the general line that Rangers have taken emphasise that
they do not think that they have a case to answer.

The reason they think they have no case to answer is that whether a lot of Catholics or Celtic fans like it ir not, we are seen as second class citizens in this country, backed fundamentally
and rock solid constitutionally, by the act of settlement.

They operated a sectarian signing policy with impunity for 100 years, don't dare timmy bother
Sir David with triffling matters such as that song

paul67 don't reiterate your notion of a due process, there is no due process to be followed their time is up the answer is the same as it was on 31/08/08 ban the Rangers hoardes from Celtic Park,

Ban them now

Ban them permanently

Tell the civilised world why we banned them.

Hail Hail

Paul,
Cheers for the reply,
Im off to Hibernate!!. :)'

Take Care
WCM

Paul,
Re accounts and income to Sir Minty? What about the share sale to Enic ( for £40M )and the NTL digital ( for I think the same amount) for TV rights? I am told Sir Minty sold these shares personally and bought back ENIC alone for £8M in 2004 and personally trousered £32M in the process?

Plagarised from elsewhere (KDS) to show the reaction on the sooside. If anyone has any other examples, please post as they are hilarious. What an own goal!

"So let me get this straight. Dr Death comes out and attacks our fans.

Weeks later Murray replies not by defending us or attacking Reid but basically saying please don't do that again John.

Reid replies straight away saying he will say what he wants.

Hmmm. Maybe someone could explain to me how we as a club and Murray as an individual don't look like bitches here."

I could not have put it better myself..........priceless.

I think the response from John Reid is brilliant. It makes me think that they are confident TFS issue is not over for the dark side, so why take the bait?

Reid also draws attention to the fact that Murray's comments don't make a lot of sense!

'we are in a society in scotland where every word and every point is picked up by everybody, and he should be very careful with some of the chat.'

Sorry, what did you say Sir Minty?
And it's not even misquoted, if it had been misquoted it might not have been so rubbish.

He refers to Reid's 'inference and innuendos' too. The same inferences and innuendos which condemn TFS? Or different ones where Reid suggested Celtic were 'not a selling club'. Right now, Celtic are NOT a selling club due to a net spend for last few transfer windows. Correct me if i'm wrong. I think he's bitter.

Still nowhere near as bad as 'For every fiver they spend...'

So now instead of being mr rich man panto villain, he's going to go political and see how far TFOD can stretch anti-racism legislation until it snaps back in their faces. Surely the song has to be condemned?

'And former Northern Ireland Secretary Reid said: "As both R*ngers Football Club and Strathclyde Police have stated, the content of the song - which is directed against the community of Irish descent in Scotland - is in breach of Race Relations legislation and exposes its perpetrators to the risk of prosecution.'

This is not a condemnation, it's a warning, anyway a lot of guys who choose to sing this in a crowd of thousands aren't going to be worrying much about the risk of prosecution.

Seems that the loss of the billy boys has left the song book in tatters, now that the effects of modern society are forcing RFC to change their tune :)

Or maybe Minty is just a fan of music, who knows...

HT

youdonthavetobesmarttogetsomemoonbeamscsc

Once A Bhoy

Bitches and Mongrels!

cheers for that!!!

BlowmawhistlebitchC.S.C

I've got to listen to snyde tonight.

BFDJ totally downhearted, almost referred to JR as "Sir JR"

Brilliant........

A few weeks ago when we were all being fey and writing poetry, I stuck on some doggerel about Murray and his 20 years. I can't find that one and so have done another wee one to celebrate.

Worryingly the man seems to be my inspiration so I cut it a bit shorter than the original on which it is based. It goes to the tune of.....well you'll know what the tune is

And now the end is near, my twenty years of running Rangers.
Each one was lots of fun, but now the Hun and me are strangers
They think that I’ve sold out and there’s no doubt I’d take an offer
To fill (..or just half fill...) my empty coffers.

I’ve lived the true blue dream, I built a team to beat my rival.
I brought them to their knees and making pleas for their survival
But they just rose again and stopped the “ten” and left me nowhere
And as for Advocaat ...well just don’t go there!

For there’s no doubt, there were some times when I spat out my finest wines
To tell the world what I truly feel through the words of those who kneel
And I suppose the Record shows it did it my way.

And now on my last legs I show my steel in all I utter
I pander to the boys, the billy boys, my bread and butter
And that old Famine Song, there’s nothing wrong. If I had my way
They’d do the verses too on the Queen’s Highway.

For what is a man, what has he got, when he is the fifth filthy rich Scot?
He stands tall and talks the talk, (though maybe not to walk the walk!)
So Doctor John, please be warned. Here we do it my way

Cadizzy

Is Frank there?

"....but now the hun and me are strangers!" hahahaha,I havent read past that yet!

Bournesoup 5.57pm - I'd agree but think of the commercial damage.....
(yes, I am being disingenuous!)

".....my bread and butter." hahaha

Cadizzy thats brilliant!HH

Paul67 - even you can't have as many personalities as our Kojo/Collie/Mabel surely????

If Hartley and Robson couldnt play,does anybody think Gary could play with Broonie un the middle?

Talk about multi-tasking!

I've got 2 radio programs and the Scotland Today news on the go.

STV totally bodyswerved the Minty Mauling.

Discretion & Valour methinks......

The boss of Media House must be doing the proverbial dinger.

Weeks of reasonably successful media manouvres wrecked by a man who just can't help himself.

Here's to the next 20yrs David

What chance come his 25th the Celtic jersey consists of 10 hoops and ONE GOLD STAR, maybe even two? (I know, I know....a man can dream).

I have skipped over a number of posts on this thread, so forgive me if I repeat what has already been stated.

I never had any doubt that John Reid would protect Celtic from ALL decriers and today, once again he proved it.

The clinical surgery he performed on the hapless Murray was surpassed by his "fear or favour" comment.

This was a direct blow to the heart of the Scottish media, who have for generations nurtured the cancer in the society.

He called them out and denounced them, even before they rush into print tomorrow to bolster Dave's epitaph.

Ironside can say all he wants the scum that support his rotten club will always have a hatred for all that celtic stands for.

If only the comics we call the press had the back bone to stand up to ironside and all that his club represents.

The famine song if sung again at parkhead should as some on here have said mean a ban on the huns.

We dont need them and we dont want them.

West Wales Celt

You mean Kojo/Mabel/Collie are the same person?

shatteredillusions CSC

Not having had time to read back over the blog, thought I'd make a few quick points.

"I find it strange that a man could become a member of Parliament representing a whole broad church of people from Airdrie and Shotts, but then can also be the chairman of a football club and come out with a different slant," says Murray.

Since when was an MP not allowed to voice concern over a matter of public debate? Get a Grip Sir Davie!!

"I suppose he can say that because he knows he doesn't have to be re-elected to Airdrie & Shotts again. I'm concerned by some of the comments.......I am recently a wee bit concerned by some of the inferences and innuendo that's come from John....." says Murray .

I'm thinking Sir Davie has picked the wrong fight here!!

"We are in a society in Scotland where every point and every word is picked up by everybody and he should be very careful with some of the chat." says Murray

Pot calling kettle Sir Davie. Open and frank condemnation of racist behaviour or advice not to do something that might get you arrested. It's not a difficult decision!!

JR's response was fantastic. Brought a real smile. My best bit being..

"I know we all welcome David's respect for Celtic's traditions and we congratulate him on 20 years at Rangers Football Club".

In other words 'That's great that you respect us. We certainly don't have any respect for you lot'

Hail Hail
Jamiebhoy

getitrightupemcsc

Paul

You may wish to have a look at the comment at 3.55 on the last thread. I don't think it meets the house rules. It's after your new article posted post.

Without fear or favour.

gweedorebhoy

If sung again yes we should ban them. But at he same time we should as a club tell them to stick their tickets for Mordor. I have posted on here a few times of banning them from Celtic Park. This would bring it to the boil once and for all.

Hail Hail to the good times!

the pit bull is bearing his teeth....

good on john reid, we shall not be moved...
now back to reid? my fellow tims views..

Paul67,

Loving it. In all honesty i have been waiting for the day Murray tried to discredit a man like John Reid. He's chicken feed to JR compared various people he has encountered during the years. People who were against JR's appointment should look at todays events and say to themselves this is why he was appointed. He oozes his confidence and defend's his interests (celtic) against the very people who try to create a dis harmony in our club. Many years ago Celtic would have taken this bating from Murray and lie down. Not anymore. There is a super power growing and Murray does not like it one bit.

We had Keegan (Smith) lose it with PL, now we got Murray doing the same thing. Could have benn worse for DM, Reid could have actually challenged him and put him on the spot big time.

Dobbo,

Klasnic. Ehm.. i don't know depending on the price we might be interested. Would like a whippet like Owen or Bellamy.

angus young

Nothing better than belting out the tunes at their dung heap.

As micheal collins once said

Defiance is our only weapon

"we are in a society in Scotland where every word and every point is picked up by everybody, and he should be very careful with some of the chat".

Very true Sir David, do you recall your comments on the Dundee clubs recently, and your subsequent grovelling apology?
Glass houses.

Today the terms "rottweiler" and "poodles" and relative strength have become crystal clear to us all.

Hail Hail Dr John Reid!

Hooped - ah, bless such naivety is soooo sweet. You're almost a 'vulnerable adult' ;-)

Desmond takes a trolley to the jewellers stores
Buys a twenty carat golden ring (Golden ring?)
Takes it back to Murray waiting at the door
And as he gives her one she begins to sing (Sing)

Bill Leckie, STV, Keith Jacksons bra
La-la-la BBC
Dignity, bricks for free
La-la oh how the knife goes in, yeah (No)

In a couple of years they have developed
the bigot dome
With a couple of billion owed to the bank
Of Murray and Minty Moonbeams
(Ah ha ha ha ha ha)

http://kerrydalestreet.co.uk/topic/8036458/49/#new

Post 974. Hilarious.

Well, well, well. There was nothing about Minty's comments or Dr Reid's response on the BBC Scotland sport news.

Strange !!! No, just the expected.

Hail Hail

gweedorebhoy/Angus Young

Do you not think that my earlier suggestion that we as fans can do this by leaving the bigotdome en masse as soon as they start up?

This would bring the problem to worldwide media attention.

Further that now is the time to assist our Chairman, give them no escape route, no argument that we are just as bad. Desist from any/all political songs at the match. Rightly or wrongly they use this against us. Let's call their bluff. I hope this comment does not start another song debate. Surely we can all see the benefits of doing so.

Can you imagine the mauling JR could give them if they did not have this to fall back on? Surely that is victory enough.

wgs

just because Dr reid has stood up to a weasel who has minipulated the orange press does not make him a great chairman.

Yes it's good to get the boot into ironside but come on no one should forget Dr Reids past.

It will take a long time to fade for many people if it ever will.

And before the clapper dogs get started to question dr reids appointment does not make you a hun or a bad celtic supporter.

Aulheid - nearly pi**ed mesen!!!!

Can't believe you fholks are spending so much time on Moonbeams when the greatest lie on the blog has been exposed..... Kojo/Collie/Mabel - no troika, a single entity. Shock, horror - CQN's shame?

'tongueincheekCSC'

At times like this, it's nice to visit FF and see what the Orcs are thinking. Interesting reading...

He 'respects' their entire stinking club.
They respond by congratulating him on being a chairman.
They're ripping the pXXX out of him

Exactly what I expected. Demeans Murray by "indulging" him, says he'll continue saying what he feels is right and proper, then demeans him again by omitting Sir from his name, and backhandedly congratulates him on his special little accomplishment.
Makes me sick that we just sit here and have to take this.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

TBH, I'm still trying to work out what the fook Murray was actually saying.

It wasn't exactly clear cut and seems to have backfired

Murray, if you were going to make a tit of yourself, you should have done it when we were being attacked from all sides. Not a month later in a piss weak effort :maD:

Once A Bhoy @ 6.00
That last quote from FF made me LOL ''makes sir dodgy and his club look like bitches''
a classic and proves its not just our ED that has a sense of humour.
Well done to JR and you sense trouble ahead for minty now.

Possilbhoy ,

It was the 2nd lead item on the BBC Scotland news. (not the sport)

they read out both statements.

once a bhoy

I would rather out sing the scum.

At a risk of giving people heart attacks on here why should we stop singing our political songs. They are not sectarian or racial.

Why should we bend the knee?

Do you actually think we would get a fair press?

The huns control the media in this bigoted little country.

Defiance is the best option.

Out sing the scum on the 27th. Get a ticket if you can it's gonna be a cracker.

Once A Bhoy.....

Now if that could be arranged it would be front page all over the globe. We must as a first step keep our own house clean. And lets be honest some of it is boggin. But it can be sorted.

When are AC/DC playing in Glasgow again?

Rarely has the Govan waffler iritated me so .

His statement today is a significant non statement based on the appeasement of the FTP brigade .He shows them that he will take a shot at the fenians accross the city ...but suceeds in making no valueable comment.

If we had anything other than the shockjock/misinformation pedellars for journos in the press in this country and if their number were not , by and large , too frightened to cross Minty he should be called upon to expand upon the ridiculous statement which he promulgated today .

If i was a Rangers fan i would have waiting on info re the stadium development, finaces etc

To complain about anothers innuendo and insinuation in a statement comprised solely of just that beggars belief .

Indulgence for today ...for sure

Thereafter , we will all watch with great interested as your empire crumbles before our very eyes....here`s to another 20 years

But make no mistake the huns are under real pressure and it is manifesting itself all too clearly

As for DrJR..best way to answer a non staement is not to

Minty ..a word of warning ...don`t start fights you cannae win

bournesouprecipe on November 20, 2008 5:57 PM

Liberal well intentioned Celtic fans still waiting patiently, for something to be done by officialdom about 'that song' are living in cloud cuckoo land.

Just heard Fraser Wishart on Clyde volunteer that whilst the SPL might not act because clubs (Rangers)have done everything (they have not) UEFA will not allow racist behaviour and will act. Quoted Athletico as example. Maybe you meant Scottish officialdom but thankfully officialdom includes Europe.

The failure of the police to act raises questions of partiality that the Scottish Government and the police would prefer were not. The evidence of inaction is accruing every day, hence the need for patience.

Infinite patience produces immediate results.

gweedorebhoy on November 20, 2008 7:00 PM

We can outsing using purely football songs.

I agree we do not sing sectarian/racist songs. "They" use the political songs against us. Would it not be worthwhile dropping them from the song list and giving the Chairman a clear run at them? Surely we would rather see this than pronounce our political beliefs in song.

What means more on a Saturday afternoon at the "football", politics or Celtic?

Let's see what JR and the media make of it?

I've just had a comment deleted by the BBC website which highlighted the Murray/Reid story.The comment was as follows----
Subject;
Reid's "innuendo"
Any song,whether it's about Jews,Moslems,Protestants,Catholics or Irish containing a verse beginning "Now they raped and fondled their kids" is abhorrent. To then pretend that The Famine Song is "just banter" defies belief. If a Celtic crowd started to sing anything remotely like that Celtic Park would empty.That's the difference.

Now, do you see anything racist in that? The BBC is hiding behind it's so-called moderators on the 606 site.The only inference I can deduce is that the BBC site 606 is running guard for the esteemed civil rights campaigner Sir Moonbeams Murray.
The best bit was "do not reply to this email because your response will not be read". To quote Frank Carson---"that's a cracker!"

gerry, i apologise for that.

I was too busy watching an old Celtic v Kilmarnock game on Celtic TV. I'm a STV man for Scottish news, anyway.

Cheers for putting me right.

Hail Hail

gweedorebhoy

john reid has responded to them as you would expect from the chairman of celtic

give yorself a break.. if you don't have a past you wouldn't have a future...
one door closes another opens...

hail hail and ktf

News from Celtic TV there that Artur Boruc was back training today.

They were talking about him possibly being on the bench against St. Mirren. Bertie Auld said if he's fit enough for the bench, he's fit enough to play from the start.

Hail Hail

Paul 67

3.55 comment on the last article - PLEASE REMOVE

Wee Chris Morris

As a Celtic Supporter you are a disgrace, if anyone wanted to produce evidence that we are as bad as them - your 3.55 post obliges.

PF Ayr

As much as I dislike the manipulative nature of Ironside. This does show the determination that he has to win.

He has been cornered before and manipulates himself out of trouble.

We may not like the man but he has one weapon at his disposal. He is financially drowning so what is 3 or 4 million more debt. We need to temper our triumphal feelings until the January window is out the way.

The Huns must win this league. They must be in the champion’s league.

They have invested heavily this year they may invest more.

We must put clear green water between us. I know that another heart attack inducing topic on here is spending money but we can leave the Huns behind if we buy correctly in January.

A little paper bag was feeling unwell, so he took himself off to the

>> doctors.
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and see what that shows, come back and see me in a couple of days.'
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>> results.
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>> 'What's wrong with me?' asked the little paper bag.
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bag.
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>> 'Have you been having unprotected nookie?' asked the doctor.
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>> 'NO, I can't do things like that - I'm just a little paper bag!'
>>
>> Well have you been sharing needles with other intravenous drug
>> users?' asked the doctor.
>>
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>>
>> 'Perhaps you've been abroad recently and required a jab or a blood
transfusion?' queried the doctor.
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>> 'NO, I don't have a passport - I'm just a little paper bag!'
>>
>> 'Well', said the doctor, 'are you in a homosexual relationship?'
>>
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>> bag!'
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>> 'Then there can be only one explanation.' said the doctor......
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Gweedore

regardless of what you think of DrJR, his politics or past ...he has turned the Mint right over today

Minty is in the political arena with this one ..he`s an infant trying to start a fight in the Big school playground ..he was treated with the contempt he was due

BTW re our "relationship"..feck them ...they need us a lot more than we need them .

What a screensaver for work this would be!! (Post 981)

Happy 20th "david son" :>)

Soosde Poster Boy

Wish he stayed in bed or what?

gewwdore

you know my position re finances

the board`s parsimony does my head in

the bar steward is down ...kick him in the heid ...repeatedly

once a bhoy

We agree to differ as the songs debate has been done to death.

I will still sing them. Others can do what they feel is best.

Blantyretim

Pretty big past i would say.

But yes Dr reid has done his job today.

Hail Hail

py ayr/gweedore

thats what i meant....

we shall overcome

gweedorebhoy on November 20, 2008 7:15 PM

Hail!Hail mate.

Aw Paul67

I was quoting LBJ on J E Hoover. Bad influences eh?

No prob.

gweedorebhoy

we can always disagree but we are celtic through and through

hail hail

Bournesouprecipe, DueProcessCSC

Dreams and Songs to Sing, that’s not the case.

West Wales Celt, no, must be that other guy.

Baltic, ZetaBhoy deleted, it was reposted on this article and deleted at the time.

WGS, indeed.

Auldheid, those two? You should know better.

once a bhoy

a after the pejorative term being explained to me by my 14 year old...LOL funny

i take it it means the same as CLAIMED

Dr John Reid 2-0 Sir David Murray

It wasnt a fair fight though was it

A heavevyweight against a lightweight is a no contest

Aw Naw

Somebody is cutting your grass mate.

Sgt Murrays Lonely Moonbeam Band

The Celtic community is awash with gloating. Once again wee davie murray, we salute you.

On his 20th anniversary given the chance to ask Murray one question what would you ask him?

Start with - If Walter wasn't good enough to be your manager in '98 why is he good enough in 2008?

Gweedorebhoy @ 7.00

You are absolutely right, we will never get a fair press in scotland. Therefore we should aim to get no press at all.

And that means no political songs.

Let rangers get all the press they need. They're busy digging a nice big hole for themselves, leave them to it.

Surprisingly Scotzine has a decent article about the subject on newsnow.

I was in Schoenfeld Airport last week and had to go for a pee. When I stood at the hand dryer I noticed the condom machine on the wall and couldn’t believe my eyes. The Germans have a brand of condom called “Billy Boy”. How I wished that my mobile phone had a camera.
I checked on Google and found this link: http://www.billyboy.com/english/

PF Ayr

I hope we can put them down this January.

Donegal Danny has mentioned the possibility of Bellamy. I have been working down in London the past few days and with a good few hammers fans. The story according to them has legs.

I would be delighted to see an additional mobile striker added to our squad.

I would also be happy to see naka go. He has been a loyal player and sometimes loyalty goes two ways. If he wants to go home let him. We then need to give Aiden the platform to mature into his replacement with the capital gained invested in a good quality central midfielder and defender.

I despair each time I see such a lightweight as donati on the team sheet. Robson has heart and a good set piece player but subtlety can sometimes be missing.

A left back is a no brainer and ridicule is what we deserve if this is not addressed.

I would also be greedy for a goalkeeper to back up Boruc as brown is a goal a game player.

However, I just have this nagging doubt the board will just do enough and gamble. A risk we must not take.

Kick them now, kick them hard and if they get up kick them again.

Hail Hail

The same thing happened to this lad

http://www.jinkysoars.co.uk/images/lennoncelticdaft.jpg

now if you dont believe me check it out here

http://www.etims.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2402

Please no more fan mail it wont be opened

RingoCSC

Kevtic

Question to Minty

Do you plan on paying HBOS back the £700 million you owe them now that the citizens of the UK are the owners of the bank?

Anyone watching the Simpsons on Sky One right now?!!!

Once A Bhoy

exactly and I have a job to do as well here. Talk about parallel processing!!!!!! :-) :-) :-)

I´ve just called Apple and they will be on to them in a minute

beatlesclipeCSCS

sons of erin

Whats wrong with

This land is my land

Let the people sing

The fields of Athenry

Aidan McAnespie

All political songs and all celtic songs

We are even allowed to sing them at parkhead!

Hail Hail

dobbo

i am now....virgan xp man who now has sky

Gweedore re Bellamy

a fit one is a tremendous asset

however i would only have him on a pay as you play basis ...too injury prone

also....the sitter he missed aagainst Well on Black Monday still weighs heavy on me

re your other obs ...spot on

Donati makes me weep ..a great deal of talent ...no application and lacks an undercarriage

BT and Dobbo

No need to show off that you have Sky

H ooooooooooooooops

virgin man....

Auldheid

Yes, you are correct I did mean Scottish Officialdom, they are initially responsible for the game here, of course.

They have deliberately delayed taking action, with this hot potato whilst the media postured with their ' both sides are as bad as the other ' routine such as the Republican song, and Nacho Novo alleged death threat nonsense.

The due process if there ever was such a thing has failed, from the same game Artur Boruc has been tried and sentenced yet the rank and file Rangers followers broke the law of the land inside Celtic Park, again.

UEFA would be monitoring the situation, if Celtic would only end the cold war that exists
and ban the Rangers support from Celtic Park ad infinitum.

I beleive this was something they should have done in the immediate aftermath of 31/08/08

Hail Hail

Bellamy had his chance he chose Blackburn.

That´s all I need to know. Anything else is just hot air

Murray is just a self-inflated balloon and as has been written by both Speirs and Forsyth ,in private he cannot stand Celtic. He got everything his own way until Fergus came along. The Kellys and White were just fodder for him but now he has met his match in JR. Our good doctor will chew him up and spit him all over Ibrox. Interesting to see how the press report this. Oh, I thought JR was NOT standing for re-election so what is that fecker Murray on about ?

jinkysboy

if you are on a virgin xp package you now get sky 1 etc plus sky news...
sober up bhoy..:)))

awe naw

My belief was Celtic was his first option we choose not to pursue it as he would have been our only signing!

Perhaps i am wrong but if we forgive dr reid for his past surely bellamy deserves a second chance?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/scotland/3491587/Old-Firm-chairmen-at-war-over-racist-song.html

and so the media re write continues

MOre Murray quotes that Mr. Chairmans

jinkysboy

from previous article (me at 1.36pm)

I may now have worked out what you were implying...

Were you referring to Paul as our "Ref?" and I was giving him pelters?

craggy

Pf ayr

Donatie is a tin man he lacks a heart.

All the talent but none of the application needed to be a great player.

gweedorebhoy

you are a good man...:0)
forgiveness is at the core of our being...

as long as celtic is our being...

paul67

PatienceofaSaintCSC

gweedorebhoy,

please dont get me excited.

Its always the same. I get my hopes built up. I try not to get excited, I then do and then it doesn´t happen. If what you are saying is true then I have no problems with Bellamy returning that WGS decision, if its not true then I stand by my original comment

p.s

I haven´t forgiven John Reid for anything as I am not his judge jury and executioner. I have an opinion on him thats for sure but he´s never turned us down.

Cigaa

From last article

The joke was aimed at your comment to Paul (nice timing Paul)after he posted a new article just as you were posting.

"no use giving the ref on here (Paul67) pelters either" was the joke aimed at your previous with Kenny

My sense of humour during works hours can sometimes (always)be a bit whack but I think I may have nudged a wee sensitive spot today :-))))

heatleader

he is suggesting that Dr JR is in some way pursuing an anti Rangers and therefore anti protestant agenda ...and would not have been so if he was seeking re election lest he offend the good burgers of Airdrie and Shotts

the foregoing is of course the inference which i draw from a very inspecific statement ...if i am wrong then i aplogise unreservedly :¬)

I think he meant, implications, not inferences. Maybe he doesn't know the difference.

jinkysboy

Now, now, it seems you bring your work
sense of humour home with you too!! ;-))))

I actually have quite a funny wee story regarding Kenny Clark. Wish I had told him it that day as it would certainly have made him laugh. If we meet in BB's sooner or later, I'll tell you it over a pint. The irony alone will have you in stitches.

Hail Hail

craggy

BT

Nae Virgins round this way and you well know it

Im only have the Freeview - was well peed off that they build a brand new complex from scratch and dont put cable in.

PF ayr. Thank you. I was so angry/excited I did not note Murray knew JR was standing down. He's still a balloon though, isn.t he ? Davie that is, not Johnnie.

For those unable to access it and those with a strong stomach

Sycophancy Reaches New Depths

I take no blame as I have not yet plucked up the courage to listen.

Gweedorebhoy - for the avoidance of doubt! I don't consider those political. And I must have missed the official list.

To keep it simple, let's avoid the mention of IRA. That's where the lines become blurred and it opens the door for cheap shots from the media.

As I said, when rangers are busy destroying themselves, don't interrupt.

PETER MARTIN: Sir David must quit before his legacies crumble



Sir David Murray

IT'S time for Rangers chairman Sir David Murray to call it a day and sell his beloved club. The Sheriff has had his time and if he doesn't get out of Dodge City soon, it will be the residents that eventually wipe him and his legacy out.

As Mr Murray prepares to celebrate 20 years in charge, he should step up his efforts to cut the umbilical cord before the baby he bought for £6million in 1988 starts to bleed him of even more than the alleged £100m he's already spent in the last two decades

As well as the financial drain on the Ibrox supremo's fortune, I sense at 57 years of age the last thing the owner needs this summer is a second bout of disgruntled and disenchanted supporters calling for his head if another title slips away.

The club's debt currently stands at over £20m and in the current economic climate, not even Sir David would buy into another round of spending a tenner for every fiver Celtic part with to appease the mob.

This weekend, to commemorate two decades in charge, there will be many journalists - or sycophants, take your pick - writing glorious tributes about the owner and what he's done for Rangers and Scottish football.

The reality for the man knighted for his services to industry in 2007 is he embarked on a reckless spending spree that ultimately failed to deliver the trophy he really wanted and left the Ibrox club staring at insolvency.

Mr Murray bailed the club out with his heart and not his astute financial head.

It is a fact even he acknowledges, when the Ibrox club woke up one morning to debts in excess of £80million, in a league that satellite television and major investors had deserted.

It would be wrong of me not to pay tribute to what I believe is Sir David's true legacy to Rangers and to our game.

He dragged the club screaming, kicking and with many scarves burnt into the 20th century, by sanctioning the signing of Maurice Johnston.

Signing a Catholic, in my mind, eliminated the possibility of the club being banned from Europe in the long run, as Uefa embarked on a more stringent policy of hammering clubs guilty of racist, sectarian and unruly behaviour.

The building of Murray Park is also worthy of praise as the chairman realised the true value of a training complex to develop youth and house facilities befitting of a club of Rangers' stature.

Some 30 trophies in 20 years with 13 league titles is impressive, but his obsessive desire to match Celtic's nine-in-a-row is costing him a few million pounds in interest even today.

The luck and the money are in short supply, by comparison, these days and two titles in the last eight years has highlighted that their city neighbours have taken tougher decisions to get their house in order, while bagging the big prize regularly.

The owner has this season taken to chastising his own supporters and asked them to take a long hard look at themselves for their behaviour and he's also delivered his own reality cheque' speech to fans calling on him to be reckless with his money once more.

Sir David Murray is a changed man. He may still love the club, but that may not be reciprocal if he does not find fresh investment soon.

Gers need new money and maybe fresh ideas. The promised moonbeams have disappeared and I think it's time Sir David enjoyed red wine from his vineyard and an occasional look at a bust of himself, which will surely be unveiled soon to pay tribute to what he left behind

cigaa

Im not sure if the Job Centre will appreciate my humour either - only time I was unemployed (for 8 weeks - 5 years ago) I got barred FROM THE BROO for my cheeky attitude to the blip behind the counter looking down his big nose at me when I said I was looking for a job that payed £30k plus. ha ha

I look forward to the KC story in BBs

Gweedore

we have been at odds re the songs and the way forward in dealing with the SFA etc

however, the songs on the list which you have given couldn`t possibly offend any reasonable minded individual and certainly don`t contravene any laws

and , i don`t imagine that any on her would have any issue with any of those songs

if they do then they have lost perception

Yes, Murray is a self inflated balloon, who has let himself down.

Bournesouprecipe :-)

Once A Bhoy..... I listened to the BBC interview and thought Chick Young did well.

Given the need of "journos" in Scotland to lump us together, can someone tell me where we transgress the following?

Definition
sectarian Show phonetics
noun [C], adjective MAINLY DISAPPROVING
(a person) strongly supporting a particular religious group, especially in such a way as not to be willing to accept other beliefs:

Me, I can't see it.

How the hell do they justify it?

Paul67 November 20, 2008 8:05 PM

Where do you find the time? I've been off work all day and not had time as I have been having way too much fun surfing.

How about the 'establishment' media then, eh..!!......they apparantly can't do their sums very well....!!...example..... Mr Murray has to dig deep when his current buns don't support his 'bail-out' £50m share venture...(bet he had tight cheeks when he heard that 'result')...so, what happens then.....suddenly a very good (JJB) mechandising opportunity arises, the takings from which amount to £48m.........did the media not smell a rat with that little coincidence !!!????

Mr Murray is truly a legend, with the best interests of sterangers at heart....!!!! LOL

jinkysboy

i know the manager in cambuslang. like 90% of cambuslang he is a rearranger....

I think we should sing "Rangers are racists" loud,clear and collectively at every game as it's something we the support can do and feel positive about instead of getting buckled outta shape with one another about this versus that"political" song.We've only got Scott Booth turning the mikes down at the games to undermine us:)

Imagine thousands of Celtic fans belting this out,i believe it would resound throughout the land and beyond.

sayitasitisCSC

jinkysboy
16-years ago I told them that I was actively looking for a £50k basic pa job to match what I was previously earning the buroo people basically told me to p**s off as they thought I was at it.
"You'll have to lower your sights you know" said wee baldy guy that was assigned to me. "Have you considered re-training?"

I had great pleasure informing the same wee tw~t when he called to 'touch base' that I had found a similar paying job on my own and without their help that he could shove his sarcastic tone where the sun don't shine.

Advice to job seekers -> don't let the buroo grind you down, keep faith in yourself, get fit, keep smart and for those that keep trying it is proven that they'll get back into work sooner.

sons of erin

the best way to destroy the huns is to win the league this year.

The hun media are in ironsides pocket

PFayr

I wont go over the songs again but i agree with you

i was up at 4am for my flight this morning so im off to watch the tv and go to sleep. Have fun folks

hail hail

benjybhoy
i worked in dwp for over 20 years and i am sure bhoys on this site have never earned or will earn near your wage of 16 years ago.

one thing that this site has always been accused of is that it was for those and such as those..
are we celtic? all inclusive or are we celtic for the big earners?

hey bhoys, forget all this talk about sirs and MP's.

the ultimate modern accolade and salute of greatness appeared on tv tonight on Sky 1 ......

yip ..... two characters on the Simpsons had the hoops on.

maggietalksmoresencethansirminty.csc

jinkysboy

Ha Ha!!!! Like it!

As for the "wee sensitive spot", its the stick everyone has used to beat me with, and its all my own doing!!!

So until the 11's team is up and running (and hope that I am granted a shirt to redeem myself) I accept that its part and parcel!

But how many folk can say they've been sent off by a FIFA referee?! ;-)

See you in BB's, I'll be the one wearing the hoops ;-))))))

craggy

Just heard Roddy Forsyth on radio five live there. He claims that the comments attributed to Sir Minty were seriously dilluted and that tomorrows papers will reveal even more scathing comments from him. Maybe just a ploy to sell some rags but lets see. Could he dig himself any further in the you know what. I agree with those on here who are questioning the mans stae of mind.

Murray goes on to accuse Dr Reid of having no respect for Rangers

benjybhoy

My story ended much the same 5 years ago. I got barred when I turned up for my initial 9am interview at ....... 9am. The fatboy said " take a seat - we will see you at 9.20"

JB - My interview is at 9am - it says so on my card

FB - yeah we always tell people to come 20 minutes early as they never arrive on time

JB - Do I look like a F**k** schoolboy you fat idiot. When you can fasten your shirt collar you can talk to me like that.

FB - any more talk like that and you will be barred and not receive your £40 weekly.

JB - Ram it

8 weeks later I had to go sign off despite the fact they didnt pay me

FB - did you manage to find a job

JB - indeed and at a significantly higher salary than I was looking for - in fact I will be paying more tax than you will be earning. Good luck with the diet.

FB - Dont come back

JB - Aw please dont be like that.........

Knowing my luck he will be the boy behind the desk when I get paid off at the end of this year.

cigaa

Are you going in before the Villareal game?

PS I promise not to use that stick ever ever again (my dad said that when the cops came to the door that night too)

jinkx
re above. he is and as i said they are 90% bluenoses...i'll put a word in and get you to the back of the line....

inkybhoy 8:26pm

Respect needs to be earned.
historical and current policies at Ibrox have done nothing to gain respect.

This is the opening spat in the war of words leading up to December 27th.
We await the guid gurrying Minty will receive culminating in us claiming 4IAR prior to the bells.

'GG confident

jinkysboy

Sir Moonbeams apparently cares about Scotland's (other) shame which is obesity.

Maybe you could put him in touch with the lad from the Buroo, they may have lots to talk about!!!

Inkybhoy.........Murray got that right then.....

murray doesn't know what he is messing with...
bring it on.............

BT

It was the lowest point of my life, just home from America, unemployed, homeless and alone - last thing I needed was to be treated like some of the dodgers who were sitting there smacked out of their heads.

If I dont get a real job by end of feb I will work for a pittance rather than sign on again - could not handle the indignation again

Gweedorebhoy - congrats on the restraint shown. I have 'lurked' and bit my 'tongue' because as you point out, its all been said.

As to fholk with a different perspective could you all please show similar restraint. That means abstaining from those little add-ons 'so thats why we shouldn't sing political songs', etc. to your posts. We can all do that. For e.g. O/A/Bhoy, 700pm - trouble is, for me all three are intrinsically linked, its why I'm a Celt...

We differ, we accept you have a different perspective. Please accept our right to think differently and there will be no more song debates. Keep 'slipping' such comments in and don't be surprised that people come back at you. Simple really - if you want a unity on CQN leave it alone!

GweedorebhoyCSC

Cigaa

If Pauls financial assessment is correct about Minty's empire all his workers might soon be meeting Scotlands other shame sooner rather than later.

Blantyre tim.......absolutely.......Murray can't defend the indefensible and John Reid will chew im up an spit im out....!!!

jinkysboy

re: Villarreal game and BB's

Prob not, my ventures out and about are under severe sanction as laid down by The Craggy Island Juniors, or as we call them, "The Twins". Therefore, Sky Sports channels have been appended onto the XL Virgin, what a sight she is now ;-)

I'll see you in there at some point over the next few months, I have been in on occasion with pals in the past, a long time before I first posted on here, but after the 5's tourney I'm keane to go and meet some more of the bhoys and ghirls.

Let the people sing RANGERS ARE RACISTS that'll do the job bhoys n ghirls.

lancetheboilCSC

Paul

I also listened to the 'chat', it wasn't an interview in the true sense of the word. I was disappointed but not surprised at Chick Youngs approach.

He did not ask for Murray's view re. the number one topic.......THE FAMINE SONG.

He did not ask Murray how much his companies have taken out of Rangers Plc.

He did pester Murray over his life style, jets, wine, planes, etc but it was a sports interview not a personality cult build up.

He did not press Murray hard enough on his failure to sell Rangers.

No, I'm sorry, not good enough for a highly publicised event on our publicly funded information channel.

Cheers.

Looking for a ticket for the Aalborg game. Any lying around?

Thanks

Gweedorebhoy,

The best way would to destroy them would be to win the league. Signing a left back and maybe a couple of class acts on loan or whatever would be brilliant

RE: John Reid, I have no opinion on the IRAQ war and who's to blame etc.. However, it wasn't soleys Reid's fault we went to war. Decisions were made by far greater people than him. Bush and Blair for starters. He was in a cabinet that approved the decisions decided by other people. It's like anything to work you might no0t agree with decisions but if your gaffer decides we are taking this rourte of action whcih you got reservations about, you just have to back as you aint got much of choice other than sack. That's the way i see it. Britain regardless need to stay on the side of the Yanks. Without the Yanks backing, Britain today would struggle i think.

I only care about Celtic and i said at the time he was apponited John Reid is the type of guy that stands up to jokers. Fergus was another one who done it with Farry. Murray had no competition with Kellys and Whites. Years ago Celtic fans used to moan they had no one to stand up for them and tackle jokers in the media and Murray in general. Make no mistake with JR and PL in the background last year working behind the scenes you would have seen a league extension in my opinion and not celebrating 3 in a row.

In all honesty that is what has peeveed Smith most. He was used to saying in the 90's David i don't like this, and Murray would back him. He was used to his own way. All change now and he does noit like it one bit. Sorry the two of them don't like it one bit.

This whole Murray thing is brilliant.
He has become his very own Greek Tragedy.....which coincidentally means "goat-song". You just couldn't make this stuff up!

Murray plays Dionysus and the Huns, the Satyrs (goat-beings)singing and dancing to their "Famine" Dithyrambs.

We all know how it will end, with someone dead, and I predict our Greek God, Samaras, nailing home a murderous 4-in-a-row into Rangers FC and Sir Dionysus Murray.

Now that's ENTERTAINMENT (Exit Stage Left)

craggyisland gaa

i thought that as a virgin xl sub i would only get sky sports news

do you get the sports channel?

Great response by Doctor John Reid.

After the media indulgence in moonbeams this week it was good to hear yesterdays man treated with the contempt he deserves.

I cannot remember a more public put down for him.

Radio Clydes general reaction was that rangers supporters will be glad that Moonbeam's has eventually came out and defended them.

Do they think they need defending, only issue I can see that they are looking to be defended on is the Racist song.

The way it is generally refered to now as TFS, is like its now part of life in Scotland, much like the billy boys was mentioned years ago as simply a rangers song.

Ooops just joined a songs debate, who started this one?

Celticlover....can't believe you listened to that little shoit young........

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=dKV88nEMu50

WGS

here here

Im with you on most of what you posted there - hard to accept that the UK needs the USA though. But your probably right on that too

Sylvinho and Michael Owen would do for me as a present from Santa

will not cut and paste article, but link attached for those who just luuurve Young's sycophantic tripe re: Minty

the link title gives a good idea as to the tone of the content LOL

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/chickyoung/2008/11/murray_should_be_hailed_as_vis.html

West Wales Celt on November 20, 2008 8:35 PM

"some people come back at you"

What exactly did I post which would warrant it. I accept other peoples perspectives. I accept other peoples politics. All I was pointing out was that it would be interesting what would happen if we removed this particular stick with which they beat us.

I accept that for many they are intrinsically linked. Can others accept that the insistence to continue with one is harming the image of the other?

Finally, surely the unity is that we are all Celtic fans, regardless of politics, religion or nationality?

I say this as a Celtic supporting, shop steward of Irish/Scottish catholic upbringing.

If any of that warrants someone on this site coming back at me, then I will just have to live with that.

I will not be "slipping" in any comments as I have nothing to hide and, may I add, neither do you. We only have differing views.

It's allowed.

blantyretim @8:22 PM

benjybhoy
i worked in dwp for over 20 years and i am sure bhoys on this site have never earned or will earn near your wage of 16 years ago.

one thing that this site has always been accused of is that it was for those and such as those..
are we celtic? all inclusive or are we celtic for the big earners?

blantyretim
WHAT ARE YOU ON ABOUT? WE ARE AN INCLUSIVE CLUB.
Now, to my way of thinking that means open to all, high earners, low earners, middle income earners, black, white, all faiths and none. I'm proud of what I've acheived as I left school with only 1 O-Level and from a midden of a council scheme, I'm Celtic through and through!!

gallagher,

i'm with you on the singing "Rangers are racist" at every game we play in from now on. This will cause people to take notice.

Hail Hail

Jinkysboy,

You joining? :)

After 3.

Aaaagh!! 1

Aaaagh!! 2

Aaaagh!! 1,2,3

FREE THE............

Best bit about that radio sham was the mention of one of my favorite Moonbeam moments.

If I may indulge.

Kaunas

benjybhoy at 8.57

my point was that ghuys on this site are not earning or likely to earn that wage.
i congratulate you and have no ill feeling to someone who earns a good wage.
people who work in the public sector are undervalued and underpaid..
ask any nurse who posts on here etc...

hail hail

WGS

Free the Owen 1

jinkysboy
whats the latest with the shirt signing?,
did paul67 come in?

Possilbhoy
Cheers spread the word as i think it'll work Hail Hail

As an aside i've just read in the comments section of a BBC article about the chairmens verbal jousting,one of ours telling one of them that unless they sort themselves out vis a vis their songbook they're gonna end up being viewed internationally as HILLBILLY TROLLS :)

BT

Are there any nurses on here

Gladys perhaps (Arkwrights fantasy girl) now there was classic comedy

I agree that many public sector workers do a good job and for many its a vocation rather than a career. Bunnets off to the Angels etc.

Not so sure bout traffic wardens though - any of them on here

BT

I mailed you about the shirt

Paul has asked somone to help out - toes crossed - difficult typing with fingers crossed

jinkysbhoy.

I posted to you last night and asked if you purchased a card at the Superstore,did you give me a reply or am I still waiting on your answer.

thememoryman...not

I would just like to say........................

IMHO, all of the fun we have had today would not have been possible if it were not for two men.

Gordon Strachan and Dr John Reid.

If Gordon hadn't delivered 3 league titles, the pitchforks and burning torches would have been out at CP and not at Snake Mountain and our actions against our racist rivals would have been playing second fiddle to our desire of having a winning team. Our footballing superiority over the last 8 years has allowed us to focus more on their reprehensible behaviour and subsequently, Gordon deserves our praise more today than most (or some of us) would give him credit for.

As for the good Doctor. If he does nothing else in his tenure at our club, I believe today he has delivered the killing blow to Murray and has shown to all who care to notice, that Celtic Football Club are THE major player in Scottish football and it is our club that sets today's agenda.

In the not too distant future, the scum that masquerade as "meedja" in this country will desert the sinking ship that is RFC and they will realise where their future mortgages will be coming from. They will not hesitate to bite the hand that has fed them for 20 or more years.

From Celticminded.com..............

Dingwall's Desktop

Murray's Desktop

pablophanque

Gladys emanuel isnt a real nurse. she's on eastenders now and she definitely isnt a nurse, although somehow she seems to be younger than she was when she was in open all hours

You know, I've never really taken to Davina McCall.

BuzzcocksAintTheSameCSC

celticlover.

Did that share reach you.

Once A Bhoy.... MultiTaskCSC

AdamTrask, the real muck will be thrown in the written press tomorrow. If you think today’s episode was interesting, clear your diary for tomorrow.

All I have to say is poor Richard Gough, the last thing he needs in his life is David Murray.......

I kid you not.

Celticlover, you make good points.

jinkysboy
back at you...

isn't aldo one of our great bhoys/ghirls a nurse?

i know it is my socialist bit getting the better of me but is it any wonder that we have the lady herself posting on here? :))))

blantyretim
Don't get me started on public service workers ................

IMHO mostly overpaid, over superannuated and they enjoy fabulous perks and holidays. Typically (typically) they're in a job for life and no shareholders to answer to means a heck of a lot of skiving!
My sister is a nurse and because she has kids aged under 14 she gets an extra week off on holiday (paid holiday) to spend time with her kids, I think it's called 'family leave'.
Oh and don't forget the generous sick pay and the death in service benefits.
Teachers - look at their holidays and the ever so easy 'early retirement' due to 'stress'. Cops as per teachers.
GP's - none earning less than £110k pa. Dentists not far behind. Civil servants - when was the last time any of them was civil to you?
You've got me going now ...........

O/A/Bhoy - easy there buddy, it was an example not a personal attack.

Guess the general point is if we want to leave the debate alone for a while we all need to avoid comments which we believe justify our perspective . If we value the debate and can explore it without resorting to insults (which I'm certainly not accusing you of BTW)then we can safely espouse the differences.

I always get vibes that fholk have had their fill of this issue and hence the plea to properly leave it alone. I have no problem with your comment but, from my perspective, it begged to be challenged / qualified, thats all. Respect comrade....

WWC

OnceabhoyhasarighttobeasdifferentashewantsCSC

Bournesrecipe.

I have a letter from the Scottish Government passing the buck to the police and football authorities.

I await a response from the police showing how they have met the responsibility placed on them. That will go back to the SG and the Police Complaints Commision Scotland if it shows, as I expect it will, no arrests over 4 games with an explanation.

I know of another complaint that got an unsatisfactory response from the police and is going to the PCCS. Sure its slow but if everyone were to write to the police and complain, then the PCCS copied to the SG, maybe even Scottish officialdom would have to act.

Sure its a grind but the process is there if folk have the time and patience to follow it.(and I appreciate many do not)

benjybhoy

the fishing season is over, why don't you....

sorry wrong debate :)))

oldtim67

I mailed you back but to save you looking I said I hadnt looked at a card - too busy haggling with the wummin about getting the shirt signed. I can drive down that way friday if you want me to and pick one up.

Celtic4me

Thats out of order spreading stuff like that on tinternet. Of course she is a real nurse - did you think she was an actress.

She is a real nurse but due to government cutbacks got paid off and had to take a jib on Eastenders with harry Redknapp who runs the fruit and veg stall

I'd like to think that the MSP for Airdrie & Shotts will stand up for the good people in her constituency who would never dream of singing TFS

http://www.scottish.parliament.uk/msp/memberspages/karen_whitefield/index.htm

Not to mention her Labour Party colleague.

West Wales Celt on November 20, 2008 9:17 PM

No probs mate. Respect.

Celtic Unity will always shine through.

Listening to Chic fawning all over Murray.
It's more like a Murray personal promotional piece rather than an examination of the good the bad and the ugly at Ibrox.

Contrast the publicity seeking knight with Dermot Desmond, and be thankful.

'GG

taggsybhoy

don't say anything about her being a civil servant :)))

Paul67,

Gough getting it as well? you are KIDDING me?

BT

So you think Aldo is a nurse but (you are) unsure of gender?

What lady - your surely nit giving the witch that title. Theres not may folk I hate - but I look forward to her big day.

Viva la revoltion

that shouod have been viva la revolution

but on second thoughts given the topic - revulsion would be more fitting

pablophangue.

When the media decide to jump,I hope their not allowed to jump into the Celtic Camp.

CQN seems to be the preferred outlet by Celtic for News from Celtic Park,and I hope that there are more News stories to come from same outlet.

paul67
What's in this Dick Gough story?????????
Anyone else know about this?????????????

benjyboy

You almost but not quite make me feel guilty. Maybe the 35 years spent helping to build a civil society with about a months sick leave, if that, in all those years, on pay always lower than the national average and no bonuses to call on, plus public disenchantment, have gone someway to assuaging any unrealistic guilt arsing from the feelings you expressed.

Having said that I do wish folk today had a lot more security of tenure.

jinkysboy
i am sure that there are tories on this site, even those who like her..

first thing i said in my office was that no one should use her name in my earshot..

Auldheid on November 20, 2008 9:20 PM

Keep up the good work mate. You just never know.

For me,acceptance is guilt. We can never accept their refusal to move on with the times. They can't accept the times have moved on.

Jinksybhoy

The Mystical Boudoir Of Nurse Gladys Emmanuel

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-lNZGtUXBY

'GG on CQN All Hours

Pablophanke...great post....couldn't agree with you more...WGS has been equal to the gutter media and we have become stronger as they get weaker.....Board..!!manager !!!players !!...and the bhoys/ghirls themselves.....!!......if we win the league this year, they will not survive it.......they've been on the brink twice lately (thanks WGS)....3rd time lucky......!!

....and always remember, we sing songs of commemoration of our forefathers' struggle for independence (freedom from an oppressor ....how many countries have done that !!!!!)

.....they sing songs which openly demonstrate a bitter hatred of all things Irish and Roman Catholic......(don't think they like Asda in Larkhall, either).....and you wonder why they'll never change ??

benjybhoy

There will be no Dick stories - he will get a court order again.

A few years ago he was in the Ivory Hotel in Glasgows Soo side and tried to chat up Mrs Jinks.

When her boss said the classic line "do you know who that is" she said "no" he them told her and she said " I still dont know who he is and he can pee off"

When I told her later who he was and what he was I said it must have been her short hair and satchel that attracted him.

Ibrox mouthpiece and odius Hun Graham Spiers with yet another "balanced" article.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/scotland/article5201590.ece

Someones hurting...

jinksyboy

i think this debate has been done to death. best we leave it alone. lets wait and see what happens when mr masood takes over the minimart.

David Murray hits back at John Reid

The Ibrox chairman lays into his Celtic counterpart over criticism of Rangers claiming he lacks 'dignity and integrity'

Graham Spiers

Sir David Murray, the Rangers chairman, has chosen the occasion of his 20th anniversary in charge of the club to criticise John Reid, his counterpart at Celtic, whom Murray says has “crossed the line” in terms of alleged attacks Reid has made on the Ibrox club.

Murray heavily implied yesterday that Reid had lacked “dignity and integrity” in some of his recent comments about Rangers, even claiming that it was “dangerous” for a politician such as Reid to become an Old Firm chairman.

The Celtic chairman has spoken out about The Famine Song - the latest favoured chant of the Ibrox faithful - claiming that it is “racist” and “vicious”, and has even urged the police to wade in and arrest Rangers supporters under new legislation in Scotland.

Murray, who says Rangers are doing all they can to get the song stamped out, nonetheless believes that Reid has whipped up an orchestrated political campaign over the issue.
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“There is an unwritten rule among Old Firm chairmen that you don't criticise Rangers or Celtic, but I do find that this has changed since John Reid arrived,” Murray said. “I did not go out my way to criticise [Artur] Boruc [the Celtic goalkeeper, involved in various incidents including making hand gestures at the Rangers fans]. I did not go out my way to criticise the things that Richard Gough was called over the years. I could go on and on, so I've been disappointed with some of the comments John has made.

“He has taken a few shots at us. We have not responded because there has been an unwritten rule between Rangers and Celtic that you show respect, and I will continue to do that. When you are the chairman of Rangers or Celtic, you have to be very careful. There is a strong argument, especially in the west of Scotland, that for a politician to become a chairman of a football club could be verging on being a bit dangerous.”

Murray claimed that Reid had tried to make unfair capital over The Famine Song - knowing that Rangers could be embarrassed - and that the issue had been wrongly politicised.

“We are not denying that The Famine Song is wrong, but I know that members of his [Reid's] political party encouraged the song to become a public item on the agenda,” Murray said. “I think John has to remember that he's not in the House of Commons now. This is the west of Scotland, the world of Rangers and Celtic, and I think we all have a responsibility to act in a sensible manner.

“I could comment on all sorts of things, such as the recent poppy business at Parkhead [where the fans were invited to clap rather than observe a minute's silence], but that's their business. All you are going to do is start an argument. I like to think this club [Rangers] shows a lot more dignity in many things. Because John Reid says things in his style, it doesn't mean we should follow. We try to do it with a bit of dignity and integrity.”

Reid last night dismissed Murray's comments, claiming that “when it comes to defending the welfare of Celtic, I will continue to comment without fear or favour.”

jinkysbhoy.
I'm coming into Glasgow tomorrow and shall have a look in the Argyle St store.
I'm looking to buy wine carriers,quite a lot of them,and odds and sods,labels,to put on the wine carriers,a thingy for the poster,stuff like that,and I haven't a clue where to go.
If you've any spare time on your hand do you fancy a coffee,or whatever.
The man hasn't been in touch yet,but I wasn't really expecting a call today.

On a more general but related point. If we had Fergus McCann to turn us around, do they not have an equivalent?

Someone with a long term plan to balance the books (it can be done by reducing further player wages/quality), take the lumps for a few seasons like we had to, then when the debt is cleared start to challenge again.

Or is their debt so high that we are talking more than a few seasons?

K.C and the sunshine band...

welcome

OT, I didn't say we should buy them ,but they are being bought by our fhans on a daily basis. WTF is that all about ? What would you do (not you personally) if you heard someone was spreading lies and half-truths about your family ? Would you walk up to them and say " here mate, have some of my hard-earned". But Celtic supporters do this every day of their lives !!!!

I now neither read, or listen on-line or in real life to any media talking or writing about Scottish sport if it eminates from Scotland.

All I was trying to say is, they will realise which way the wind is blowing and they will change course to catch that wind. Maybe not tomorrow, maybe not next year, but it is coming. Mark my words young Luke :o)))

pablophanque

Once a Bhoy - no worries bud, we have more in common....

For the 2nd time this evening we have a major SHOCKER; signs of political harmony on CQN!!!!!! Paul, if you're not rendered speechless, we need a new article just to celebrate!

Murrays claim that Richard Gough was "called names over the years".

I hope he is not talking about me...I once called him Dick or was it a Dick??

Good to see the good DR defending us against murray,He thinks he is super,well he aint,As a poor nurse, we have to put up with so much, believe lads, it not easy, the public give us a hard time,we do it for love not money,ban that horrible hoard from our beloved ground. We are better than them.

oldtim67

Im at work until around 2 but have an interview at 3 in East Kilbride. I would imagine I will talk the boys ears off for about 90 minutes so best I could make the city would be 5ish.

Will you still be in town mate and I can meet up with you

Cheers blantyretim,

nae really new though more an infrequent poster.

chuffedanywaycsc

K.C

not my job to welcome but it is always good to see new bhoys/ghirls join the site...
paul67 is the gaffer...

Quote of the week

Referring to Massimo Donati sky sports says "The no-nonsense midfielder"!!!!

From CM................................

"A friend of mine was telling me last week about one time he was in the company of Big Mick (they have been friends since childhood.)

It was during the summer and the big man was having a few beers so my mate thought this would be a great time to get some stories out of him. Instead of getting an insight into the Celtic changing room Big Mick told him a story that Darren Fletcher passed onto him at a Scotland camp about the night Celtic beat Man Utd 2 years ago.

As you can imagine Sir Alex was not best pleased as it meant that they had not been guaranteed a place in the next round yet and Celtic had just claimed the other spot and left them with a bit of work to do and whilst he got tore into the whole team with special comments saved for Saha's missed pentaly but the best was saved for last when he turns to Van Der Sar and shouts in his face:

"and you ya big d!ck!! are you gonna be buying that wee Japs video- cause yer f~ckin in it twice!!"

pablophanque

o1bhoy

Where the heck are you - the dog must be worn out by now

Auldheid.

There are plenty out there who would buy them,the stumbling block is the fans,Who would buy into a company that could be closed at any time.
I think if they cause any more problems like Manchester would be a fatal blow,UEFA are getting more strict by the day.

Excellent evening of CQN'ing. Thouroghly enjoyed the comments on last article and replied to some below. Paul67 2 great articles mate. Superb. Minty Mad Moonbeams has lost the plot. Well done John Reid once again. I never liked you as a politian but I am growing a respect for you as chairman of our fine institution. Even the Green Brigaids banner will have turned a little towards being the right way round. Now onto read the posts on this article. See yoos in a couple of hours.

Hail hail.

ANNAOAN @ 1:40 on last article.

I think J Reid should get involved and make MadMoonbeams exit strategy all the more difficult. The longer he is there the better for us. Much like the way they were in control when our old board of egotistical lords of the manner were in charge. REARS are now going backwards on all fronts under his stewardship and long may it continue.

Bhoy in England @ 1:58

Well said although I cannot concurr on feeling sorry for him. I hope he rots in hell.

Rav heart @ 2:38. “ Dr Reid's comments must have left Minty with a big scab that he can't stop picking at, and it's about to go septic.” Superb analogy.

Once A Bhoy @ 3:06, agree with you on everything with exception of your means of protest. Rather than leave the ORC castle the Hoops fans should turn up, stand up and turn there backs to the hordes and sing the songs of our club and our history. For the duration of the game without mind of the score line.

If ever an article deserved a 1000+ posts, this is it.

It truly is a joy to watch them squirm.

Now any more updates from FF? They must be permaraging.......well the ones who understand that they, their "institution" and their owner (at time of print) have just had a right good skelping. AGAIN.

If Carlsberg did anniversaries eh!

KC
Re Speirs.
The only reason Murray did not crticise Boruc is because it would have drawn attention to the bigots behind him who complained about the gesture, which as I recall included blessing himself. So naw on that one Davy boy.
On the political involvmemt on TFS did Murray think we were just going to let it go unchallenged in view of the pitiful response from Rangers and officialdom?
This is where Murray got his strategy wrong, he thought by choking the official Scottish routes off (media/police/SPL/SFA) he could avoid truly addresing TFS. He forgot about the non Scottish dimensions of Ireland and eventually Europe.

As long as pressure can be brought to bear via these avenues his "choke" strategy will fail, but we must keep challenging TFS by all legitimate means possible to make Murray accept that the choke policy is a busted flush. Heid doon, keep gaun.

The irony for me is that tackling TFS might have been the saving of Rangers and he failed to see that opportunity.

Pablo

Class story - can see him waging in the dwessing woom now

I don't believe you people! We sensationally expose the Kojo/Collie/Mabel myth. We negotiate a songs debate truce and all you people want to do is talk about the big wide world out there. I despair! It's enough to give journalism a bad name...

notenoughnavelgazingCSC

pablo

are you sure he didn't call him a big pwick?

West Wales Celt- is a troika no a type of sledge?

Moonbeams wet dream on November 20, 2008 9:52 PM

No complaint here.

As long as it is visual, beyond ignoring and peaceful I am for it.

pmsnumber

Glad you asked the question there - I was gonna google troika cos I didnae want tae ask whit the heck it wis !!!!!!!!

pmsnumber - I'll get your coat....!

pmsnumber

Nah you're way off there mate. It's a kids three wheeled cycle.

West Wales Celt

I reckon Kojo lives in Springburn and is a female partick thistle fan who works in the buroo.

Just saw this in Speirs article:

"We are not denying that The Famine Song is wrong,"

Is this a first? Its not quite a condemntion but it is the first time I've seen a statement from Ibrox that uses wrong and The famine song in the same sentence.

Well why did you not say so in the first place Sir Danid?

Neither Kojo/Collie or Mabel post while shug keevins is on snyde.

Need I say more.

Scoopscsc.........

jinkysboy - now you're talking, this is the kind of facile, lip-smacking gossip that we've been missing on this site!

I would ask 'is she a cracker' and 'would she be interested in an exclusive "my life as a CQN fraud" with lots of suggestive photos?' but that would be unbecoming ;-)

Any alternative theories gratefully received...

WWC

pablo

not as good a story but someone i know was outside the united dressing room at half time when we played them in the us a few years back. after that their african midfield general was known as "djemba f*$£king djemba" in my house, he said that was all he could make out

Thats right Sir Davie, dignity and integrity. That's you lot all over.

Ha Ha
Jamiebhoy

Paul67

Seen some interesting comments recently from Gordon Strachn

1 - ""With the signings we made this year we will have more of an understanding of what to do away from Celtic Park"

Yet Away at Villareal of the new signings only Maloney started and he was the first player subbed. Maloney being 'new' is a stetch as it is

Man u away only Loovens started, and that was mainly down to injury.

Where is this increased understanding? Sounds like he is trying to pin it on the players and deflect from the fact he has got tactics all wrong previously

2 - Referring to no of scots we have "we've got a lot of Scottish players because we don't have the finances to go around the world"

Why does Gordon persist with this 'we have no money' 'english clubs have all the money' route when it is patently untrue. Fact is we collect more income that 75% of the EPL teamsd and ALL the Championship teams. I am getting really fed up with the wining from him and at times PL. why not tell the truth "we are not prepared to embrace the english debt culture" than the inaccuracies they want us to believe. I have said it time and again we can compete but choose for strategic reasons not to. Whether that is right or not is not the debate but stop this pleading poverty act.

Once a bhoy - thats true, thats defo true! Destroys the Partick theory for me...

jinkysboy on November 20, 2008 10:01 PM

Does anybody actually work in the burroo?

BTW As I typed this the chic young & wee davy murray interview was just at the Kaunas goal.

Priceless, can you imagine if wee davy could actually hear the overlay? Fumin'Fumin'

once a bhoy

on i'm a celebrity get me out of here tonight it was the birthday celebration of the page 3 girls fake top forties. theres an anniversary for you.

Alternative theory:

'hear no evil' (Kojo), 'see no evil' (Collie and his frankly irritating tail), 'speak no evil' (Mabel)...

celtic4me November 20, 2008 10:12 PM

LOL:>))

Though I can't believe you outed yourself as a watcher. :>))) Of I'm a celeb that is not P3.

My dear, dear, dear, dear, dear, dear , dear friend WWC

Im thinking her name is JOanne KOwalski a blonde polish immigrant from Krakow.

She works in the burroo but studying at caledonian University and wrting a paper on the idiotic CQN clique who neva eva notice she only posts when she is in the Uni or at the Easyjet Cyber Cafe in town.

howeva

She gets all her posts from other Celtic sites and is addicted to dandelion and burdock.

jinkysboy

who likes to think you know where he is coming frae

WGS, Benjybhoy, K.C. has the story.

Oldtim67, ha! I wish.

Moonbeams, cheers.

Antsman, I think Celtic have spoken about their thoughts on debt (in debt every day for over 15 years) without necessarily having a dig at the English clubs.

They have earned more than many EPL teams, though not those in the Champions League, where we compete against them, and the number of EPL teams we earn more than from this season on will be considerably less.

Re: KC's post (9.36pm) of the Krusty The Clown interview, where dear ol' Krusty mentions that Rankers FC do it with 'dignity and integrity'

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=202883&page=3

Check out the link and scroll to post 52 - it's a massive long list of the 'Dignity' and 'Integrity' that Rankers and their zookeeper Krusty pride themselves with!

S8

I think "exchanges" at board level between Celtic and Rearrangers is long overdue.

Disassociate ourselves with them at every opportunity. John Reid is the right man at the right time to do this.

isnt peter lawwell the "Football-Integrity Judge and Jury" according to murray?

murray should know his place.

So Murray doesn't deny that the famine song is wrong?

He just thinks that John Reid shouldn't mention that it is wrong. Does he think no one will notice otherwise?

I have never been the best of friends with JR...in fact over the years I have had more than a few disagreements with him.

However make no mistake about it, I give praise where praise is due...this has been a great day for Celtic Football Club.

JR has done something that should have been done a long time ago (way back as far as Bob Kelly, Desmond White and all the others) and that was to through down the challenge to Rangers Football Club, the SFA, the Scottish Media and all the others who live in a 300 year time warp.

The way that he has orchestrated and set the trap for David Murray has been exceptional.
I am certain there is a lot more to come and I believe this is the beginning of the end for Murray.

It’s a pity we can’t have a live debate between the two...or a wee spell with them on Question Time...I know who my money would be on.

Added to this was the opportunity taken by JR to rubbish the Act of Settlement last Sunday...perfect timimg.

I wasn’t keen on him becoming Chairman but he may well turn out to be one of our best.

Credit should also go to WGS...I know a lot of Celtic fans don’t like how he treats the media...well I love it...he can handle them...albeit in a vastly different way from MON.

We are now ahead of them on the park, we remain ahead of them off the park, we are ahead in the financial stakes and now our Board are also gearing up and moving into position to strike a huge blow to the sick, sectarian establishment in this country.

Roll on 4IAR and the treble!!!!

Kano: My prayers and best wishes are with you.

"...I am recently a wee bit concerned by some of the inferences and innuendo that's come from John and I think he's got to be careful and realise he's not barracking in the House of Commons any longer.

"We are in a society in Scotland where every point and every word is picked up by everybody and he should be very careful with some of the chat..."

How long is is since Murray had to make a humiliating public apology to both Dundee clubs? Two weeks?

Auldheid,

He knows he has to condemn it but as always its disguised as an attck on Celtic. Nothing new here. Animal instinct. So predictable are Murray comments. He cant move the agenda on though and that´s where he´s failing. He doesn´t see it as he views his own customers exactly as he views us as lesser beings.

Sorry lhads the 'through' should read 'throw'.

Aw Naw

True but it his first public admittance that FS is WRONG and it took Politics to force him into it.

We'll stop the politics when they stop singing it.

If he had any brains he could turn it into good PR for himself and Rangers.

Antsman,

I agree about the type of players. Got he haw to do with money. The players are out there for the same price he bought Hartley, Loovens, Naylor, etc...

Down to where you shop. GS has shown he can pik and Naka, Boruc and Crosas for Zilch. Problem he does not tap into these markets enough. Sorry our scouts may not tap into this market enough. Easter Europe and Holland mate few bargains to be sought. Germany as well!!

jinkysbhoy.
I'll be home by then.
I may change direction and head for Stirling,now that I know that you wont be in the city,I'm only after odds & sods.

Re the Speirs article, I notice that Murray omits to mention the way the Celtic Board have not dragged Rangers FC into a debate over their fans launching, in Scotland, the dirtiest campaign that I can remember, i.e. the BJK slur.

Shame on him.

Chic young and wee davy murray interview circa 46 mins.

Did he really compare JR's comments over his tenure to those of a young naive man giving throw away lines?

Paul67 8:05
I've listened as well now. Sorry mate, ah know it's your hoose an aw that but chic was his usual "in depth" self. He had a few openings to delve, even just a wee bit deeper as any "journalist" would and failed unsurprisingly. The same leeway would never be afforded any of our board. wee davy picks his men well.

My dear, dear, dear.... you get my drift, friend jinkysboy,

You have a point. I like your empirical, stick to the facts analysis. One slight flaw: no one of Polish origins could manage the linguistic flexibility tat is the Kojo. Back to the drawing board I suggest...

Anyway, work tomorrow, slumber calls, night all.

WWC

ps - Kojo/Collie/Mabel if you're lurking, no offence intended, any tactics are surely legit if a songs debate is to be avoided?

yer pal who likes ya alot (but reckons he knows yur secret)

I sit here with a wry smile....
This season has to be one of the most important in celtics history.
There is a overpowering smell of change in the air that appears so so so sweet to my senses.
This 'change' is not only the impending celtic domination of scottish football for years to come....
but more importantly a welcomed change in scottish society in general by dragging 'them' screaming into the 21st century.
It has now become apparent that moonbeams has been fighting an exhausting losing battle against the quicksand that has been dragging him down slowly for years..
Moonbeams in my opinion has not been looking for success for rangers over the last 5 years (though it would buy him valuble time to keep his image and credibility intact) he has been simply looking for someone to take this 'shame' from his hands...
But the quicksand is now at his neck ans the prospect of completely destroying him if he attempts to struggle or fight anymore.
On the footballing front IF we secure a 4th championship in a row this will utterly cripple 'them' with debts looking to rise to over £40m+ next year (unless he trades any chance of winning the league by selling off any player worth a couple of quid).he will find himself in a catch 22 situation of disastrous consequences no matter what....if celtic spend in january can he? if not 'they' will turn on him...

if he sells in january showing the same lack of ambition in order to 'balance books' like last season... 'they' will turn on him....

If a fails to win the league he faces firstly the wrath of them...quickly followed by daunting CL qualifiers without the revenue of season book sales as i see the 'them' wittle away...

Simply the cash coo has dried up and the much 'expectant' hoardes will insist on the chairman to spend spend spend when his empire already hangs on a loose peg.

But with this 'pain' they will vent thier anger...as they do... the rangers way...with racist chants and thier usual but now amplified sectarian behaviour.
This leads me to my only fear...when outside influences (as we cannot rely on the scottish gov,SFA,SPL,police to act upon offenders)corner this 'wounded animal' and show the world that a vile beast exists in scottish society i truely fear for peoples lives as this built up hatred will rear its ugly head.
I just hope that Scotland see's that this had to happen to bring this counrty out of the dark ages.

hail hail! (and sorry for my illiteracy)

blantyretim

sorry was away from the blog for a bit there, hoose stuff.

Aye we all got SkySports News back on Virgin XL but I got the SkySports package just as the CL was starting, figured that it was worth it as I couldn't always get to matches or even to the pub to see the games.

18 quid a month extra, worth it when you think how much a night in the pub can cost.

craggy

Section 8

I started to read the article and spent 15 minutes and was only about 20% through it

Amazing reading when all the stunts are pout down in black and white like that. I will go back to it another night when I can sit and read the rest.

paul67
not sure if this article has been covered on here today. very interesting information on a looming financial crisis in La Liga. If you add that to the information you and I were discussing last week on the EPL, i feel we are moving towards a time when wages and transfer fees have peaked. We may well not be the poor relatives in european terms for much longer

Football clubs in Spain feeling financial pinch as country plunges into recession
Spain may boast the world's top-ranked national team and richest club but the football-obsessed nation is sliding towards recession with many teams tumbling into the red.
Dwindling revenue from advertising and sponsorship, declining stadium attendances and a slowdown in consumer spending are threatening to tip more clubs into administration as they struggle to meet soaring transfer fees and wage bills.

Real Madrid and Barcelona, the wealthiest and third richest clubs in the world with television and sponsorship deals worth hundreds of millions of euros, are largely insulated from the financial crisis, analysts and officials say.

But lower down the league at least six clubs, including second-tier sides Real Sociedad, Celta Vigo and Levante, are in administration and more may follow as the recession takes hold.

"The financial situation of many of the clubs is critical," said Angel Barajas, an expert on the finances of Spanish soccer clubs at the University of Vigo. "I am really afraid about football because the situation is not sustainable in the medium term."

The figures make grim reading. Spain's professional clubs have a combined debt of £507 million to the tax authorities alone, the government said in July.

On top of that comes cash owed to the social security system as well as other debts to the public purse, the volume of which the government said it was not allowed to divulge.

According to an estimate in the Spanish media, the combined debt of Spanish clubs is about £2.5 billion, compared with some £3 billion in the English Premier League.

Javier Tebas, a vice-president of the Spanish football league, declined to put a figure on the total debt of Spanish clubs but said he was "very worried" about the financial situation, especially in the second division.

Tebas predicted income from advertising and sponsorship would be most affected by the recession and estimated a drop in revenue of 10 to 15 per cent.

"The situation is worse than last year. It's more difficult to find sponsors and much more difficult to find companies who will advertise on TV," he said in an interview.

"The ones most at risk from the crisis are the small and mid-sized clubs.

"Their income is going to be significantly reduced. I don't see the big clubs being affected so much as there are always important companies that want to use them to drive their advertising campaigns."

Some clubs have tried to generate cash by selling real estate but the collapse of Spain's housing market and the woes of the construction sector are choking off that source of funding, according to Barajas at Vigo University.

He also noted that rules on voluntary insolvency can be quite convenient for football clubs as officials are able to retain control as long as they present a business plan acceptable to court-appointed administrators.

However, the government has been irritated by the actions of some club officials, who it accuses of abusing insolvency legislation by failing to rein in spending.

Jaime Lissavetzky, Spain's secretary of state for sport, said football clubs were going through a difficult period and the increase in the debt was "a worrying issue".

"If debts continue to mount even after having been wiped out, if [insolvency rules] continue to be abused as a stop-gap measure and expenses are not brought under control, you could call it a complicated moment," he said at an event in Madrid.

Falling stadium attendances have also become an issue in Spain this season. Barcelona has already cut the price of tickets for some matches, notably a Copa del Rey tie this month against third-tier side Benidorm.

"Attendance at the stadium is down compared with last year due to the global financial crisis," Barca President Joan Laporta said last week.

Tebas said it was important for Spain to retain its financial credibility so that clubs were able to compete in the global transfer market.

Spending by Primera Liga and Serie A clubs combined in the close season was about half the £500 million spent by English Premier League clubs, consultancy firm Deloitte estimates.

"If we are not careful, it will be more difficult to attract top players from other leagues because there will be doubts over the payment of wages," Tebas said.

John Reid is setting the agenda.

Check.

Move.

Check again..

Move again.

Check again...

Once A Bhoy..... on November 20, 2008 10:14 PM

i am as god made me. broad church and all that.

anyone.where can I hear that interview.
the one I listened to lasted 1 min 23 secs.where can I get the 43 minute one

Section 8
skyscraper link is brilliant....
cant say I read it all but this did catch my eye....

On Rangers Fans..... ‘pig-ignorant, uneducated bigots’ and from ‘the lower echelons of society’ by Graham Speirs.

Always had Spiers as a total Hun...still not enough to make me change my mind about him. Makes you wonder what he would have to say about us!!

oldtim

Another time and soon mate.

we need to get Kanos card signed by the site anyway.

No idea where that interview is and cant be bothered listening to the Mint and his gimp

oisin71

spiers hates the neanderthals but that doesnt mean he loves all things celtic. he recently described celtic fans who sing ira song as "morons"

Vmhan

Where are you - you been out looking for better odds on 10iar?

IF so its the bookies your looking for - not the boozers.

Jinkysbhoy

it's very interesting. spent an hour reading it earlier. some of the quotes at the bottom of the article are well deserved!

it just shows that it's not only Celtic Supporters, but the footballing world realises what poison they are, to the sport and the camaraderie that football supporters can wholly enjoy!

S8

For anyone interested, Question time is about to start and is from Glasgow. It would be interesting if TFS was raised as a question to the panel - but not holding my breath

On the subject of football finances, season 2009/2010 will be a watershed. (Paul67 - you may park this and use it in July 2010 if you wish:))

The financial crisis will be longer lasting and deeper than most 'experts' were predicting just a few short months ago. The domino effect will have catastrophic financial consequences. Companies which are not cash-rich will be at serious risk of going under.

The effect will reach the English Premiership. Sky will shed jobs and will lose money. Football clubs will lose income and will have to shed players. The spectre of the next deal (albeit a few years away yet) will force clubs to sell, sell sell or go to the wall, wall, wall.

Good players will be available at reduced wages and reduced transfer fees.

It will be a tough few years for everyone by the looks of things. I think the football world which emerges at the other side of this financial tsunami will be a very different one.

celtic4me

kind of thought as much, but cant say I agree with him.
I know a Celtic fan down my way who sings Republican songs and am pretty sure he's a not a Mormon!!

oisin71

I know a few mormons in the US and they are all republicans so maybe thats the ones speirs knows

I know a former Mormon and she's a Democrat.

jinkysbhoy.

I'll hopefully get a Celtic card in the Celtic shop In Stirling,but if that fails I'll get a nice card in?.

I'll have it for the ICT game,and anyone there can sign it,plus the ones that gave me permission to put their monikers on said card.

Auldheid

You are fighting a good fight, I too have responses in double figures from email that
has questioned that song. Most of them i've shared on here, and all of them promise nothing.

In this country they will protect their own, its not the bigoted scum that roll up to Celtic Park
and sing about the Irish Famine that are the problem, its the people protecting them that we
need to defeat.

Its the bogey men in the mainstand with the business suits, and corporate smile that epitomise the cancer that is Rangers Football Club.

Over to you UEFA? - in the meantime I repeat

Ban them

Ban them now ad infinitum

Hail Hail

Missed the whole Public sector worker mini-debate when I was off the blog, and just as well judging by some of the comments I have just read back through.

benjybhoy 9.17pm

How can you possibly say NHS staff are over-paid? We are in the business of rejecting a PAY CUT at the moment, as our inflationary wage rise now falls short of the rate of inflation.

I have no idea what you do for a living but I'd imagine that the words PAY CUT are not ones you say very often. Even if you are self-employed I'd imagine that if your earnings fluctuate they don't drop below a minimum that is way above my annual wage. Good luck to you, but don't say we don't work hard.

To work hard for yourself, your family and your patients and still feel that you are shafted when you read your pay slip and that the Government wants to cut your pay but work you harder than ever before is a slap in the face to say the least.

I'd be interested to read your thoughts.

craggy

Re signings

Paul
I wondered if Dr Jo being back recently meant anything ?

Always felt he had an good eye for a player and is always a great ambassador for the club

On Minty & Speirs

Minty is sadly typical of many so called educated middle class Scots - who when you scratch the surface a fraction reveals
a great deal of anti-Irish & anti-Catholic bigotry

Speirs has never really hidden his leanings towards Rankers
- like many he is simply a hurting hun

gladys knight is a mormon. i bet you never knew that.

celtic4me

You win - I never knew that

Did you know that my mums name is Rebecca - bet you didnt

To be fair to the indulgent Mintyman, his complaint is that John Reid broke the unwritten rule. And he's right - he did. What we should be asking is why was there an unwritten rule - why was our Board not actively, strategically and consistently disassociating us with the foul huns and tackling them on THEIR bigotry problem which we don't share?

I haven't read through this article yet but thought I'd comment on that nauseating interview I forced myself to listen to tonight. I hope Chick Young has washed his nose since it was so far up Mintys rear end it wasn't true.

One part of the interview stood out for me. It was when he was talking about all the other problems in Scotland he says (I might not be 100% spot on here) 'I wish people would stop picking on Rangers, I wish they would just leave us alone'. Poor wee Rangers indeed. It was so bad that at one point Chick was answering his own questions before Sir Moonbeams could answer!

I take my hat off to him though, he's done the one thing I couldn't imagine, he's managed to unite all Celtic fans 100% behind John Reid! Not many people could have done that!

Paul67

Given the short timescale between Mintys interview and Dr Reids statement would you think that he did this off his own back rather than getting the boards backing. Or do you think the chairman would not need approval as the interview was aimed at him as an individual as well as Celtic chairman

I thought you had to be an Osmond to be a mormon.

porridgeandbananas

'I wish people would stop picking on Rangers, I wish they would just leave us alone'.

Im sure I hear TFOD sing "NO one likes us - we dont care"

Tobi Legend

Where the Osmonds morons too.

And they called it Poppy Love

Spelling error - were not where !!!!!!!!!!

Im a mormon

If Graeme Speirs is indeed a follower( as some on here have said)of TFOD then even greater respect to the man for having the cajones to tackle them to their bigoted core.

Daily Record "Rangers have taken steps to try to prevent the song being sung by their fans, including consulting police with a view to making it an arrestable offence."

I think some of the Rangers fans will be angry if they thought that Murray and Bain were encouraging arrests.

We know of course that this is either the Record talking mince or promulgating a new line from Murray. And the Record has always been quite adept at doing both when required.

Billy Stark's Telescopic Heid

I think on most occassions it's counter productive to get involved in a tit for tat situation but TFS is an exceptional case. It's a real shocker of a song and one which if allowed to continue could set the country back years. I think the board would have prefered not to have made a statement but were forced to because Rangers and Scottish football were keen to shake it off as mindless banter. The board had to let the world known that we believe it to be Racist and must be stopped immediately. I do otherwise agree with Murray that chairmen shouldn't be slinging mud at each other but TFS had to be addressed.

amca

is that in Fridays record.

If it is there will be a major backlash on FF and other sites.

The popular beat combo of the moment the Killers are led by a Mormon rejoicing in the name of Brandon Flowers........

Anybody interested in football could do worse that check out the setanta 2 offering about to KO on sky 424

2nd leg of South American equivalent of UEFA cup semi final, Estudiantes v Argentinos Jnrs, first leg was 1 goal and 1 red card each, 6 each on both counts wouldve been fair reflection.

Murray's a hypocrite,he says he wont slag off Celtic then mentions everything from Artur Boruc to poppygate whilst applauding himself for 'not mentioning' these things.

jinkybhoy

online version of Record right now.

Paul67

We are told we can not compete "financially" with EPL clubs (all by implication) and even championship teams. That is blatantly untrue as a statement without the cavaet of referring to why i.e. debt - i would strongly contest they are mentioned together.

Whether that continues to be the case is somewhat irrelevant given the references were made about the conditions of that time not the future.

I find the constant "we cannot compete" mantra tiresome esp given it is not qualified. I was clear that we do not match them all but we have more income than 14 of them according to official accounts. We have more income than ALL Championship teams - when will someone ask the question "why can't we compete given actually they make alot less money than us?". We know the answer but however the club spin it the generic and unqualified "we cannot compete financially" is simply factually inaccurate as a club with less income but spending more than us, with alot more debt than us can not be in a stronger financial position than us given (based on very reasonable assumption they are not going to cash in all their 'assets' i.e. players given that it would probably lead to relegation for EPL teams)

amca

Got it. If thats on the printed version FF will be on meltdown

Eventheolivesbleed

can you text me friday

Dubkinbhoy - you lurking - mail me on bkilkie@yahoo.co.uk

Long day and a busy one on Friday

Off now - Prayers and best wishes to Kano in Oz.

Keep the faith

Maybe so bhoy sean. but there's been a lot more than silence over many years - there's been active effort to collect the 'old firm' shilling. No more please.

Poor David, never misses an opportunity.......to miss an opportunity. I think JR won this little spat without even trying.

However, I think the best way we can ensure they stay where they are (or even better disappear) is to continue winning on the park. I'm sure they thought that with our injury crisis and Champions' League endeavours that we would struggle to keep pace.

The fact that this has not happened really scares them - GOOD.

So FOCUS, FOCUS, FOCUS on getting 3 points every week Bhoys.

Slán

before I go

hang your head in shame the people of the west of scotland in the Question time studio

With all the issues in Scotland now some idiot bleats a quaetion:

Was John Sergeant right to quit strictly come dancing - a full debate ensues.

Im really off to bed now as I cannae listen to this crap

oldtim - don't think i will make bb's for ict game please put my moniker on it for kano!

as for JR.. even the Dallas scriptwriters could not have won an oscar for this .. keep telling it like it is!!

jinkysboy - :-) don't diss Donny!!

Stupid debate, I agree Jinkysboy.

Although the funniest thong was Nicola Sturgeon saying that the judged were acting like politicians standing for election on a single issue!

Funniest thing.

I have no idea whether Nicola Sturgeon wears a thong, never mind if it is funny.

oldtim67 November 20, 2008 10:35 PM

Chic & wee davy

Full interview.

minx88.

Will do.

The sad thing is in recent years the situation had improved a lot in terms of tolerance.Irish theme pubs,cheap weekend breaks to Dublin,people in this country were taking a more enlightened view of over the water.
Now the scum has as ever seen fit to propel this country back another 50 years,this aint a football issue and I feel Mr Salmond will be forced quite soon on this.

Section 8 on November 20, 2008 10:16 PM

The link here should be read by all.

It's long but well worth it. No wonder wee davy m wants the unwritten rule adhered to!!!

Once A Bhoy... he does indeed chose his jounros well.

Barcabhoy, thanks for that info, it’s the first I’ve heard of it. Very interesting development.

In reality, we will not compete with Barca and Real Madrid for players, it’s the lesser teams who pay in our level.

U2_1888, 10:44, an excellent point, well made.

jbj713, I don’t know why Dr Jo was back in town, but Glasgow is not on the tourist trail.

Jinkysboy, John Reid is the chairman, who else on the board would he need to refer to?

I expect he spoke to Celtic’s in-house PR chief.

Antsman, “all by implication” is, in fact, blatantly untrue. Try finding a single comment to support that assertion and I am sure you will be unsuccessful.

Getting what they say right all the time is difficult enough without getting the things they don’t say right.

As for Celtic not being able to compete financially with Championship teams, I suspect we spend more on football operations than every single one of them, so I don’t know who you have been listening to!

Jinkysbhoy

Still time yet for that song to be brought up, I would have thought it was a certainty.

All this business about Minty is absolutely brilliant. I was thinking at earlier at work of how when I was around 10 through to Martin O'Neill came in when I was 20 that this guy was always going to have it over us, save for 1998 which I saw as a (very welcome) blip, and statistically it was. I could never have imagined us pulling so far away from them on and off the field while he was in charge at Ibrox. I certainly couldn't have imagined him sounding as desperate and under pressure as he does just now. All we heard back then was 'For every fiver they spend..., Private Jets, Leaving Scottish football behind..., blah blah blah.

As the McDonalds advert goes, dah dah dah dah I'm Loving It!

once a bhoy.

Thanks,I may wait until tomorrow to listen to it

Hi guys im a new poster from county derry is anyone on here from around the derry city/county area

BellaghyBhoy

Jinkysbhoy

Looks like you were right about that song. I was reading in the Derry Journal that they are broadcasting from Derry on December 4, maybe it will be aired then?

BellahyBhoy im from derry area in the city

coorslad

I meant to say this yesterday but I noticed when I was in Greenock town centre that the JJB shop there had all Rangers strips down to £15, not the older ones but the three strips (including the European!) that they currently wear.

Seems a drastic measure to have brand new kit at such low prices. Does this impact on the deal they have with Rangers. In any case I imagine selling shirts that usually sell for around £35 at £15 cannot be good for either JJB or Rangers.

I also wondered if this was a deal available only in Greenock or was it a JJB-wide promotion/sale?

Does anyone think the guys at media house have just found themselves back to square one?

Take your hat off to Minty , defeated his own PR company in one sweet blow. Truly magnificent. Homer Simpson has a saying for times like this.

Doh!

As for Dr.Reid , swift and decisive , delivered with style.

Apologies if this has been posted previously...

Its a direct quote from David Murray from the Daily Mail...

'I don't think much will change, other than we will reduce the size of our squad and definitely have to bring in younger Scottish players to make up the balance of the squad.'

The article in full is here...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1087993/Rangers-chairman-David-Murray-backs-Super-Ally-job-Ibrox.html?ITO=1490

Is this the first public admission of a foresale in January????

lets hope so...

Stephen.

Welcome BellaghyBhoy, good to hear from you.

P&B, some of us have been predicting a Generation of Domination for years now :-)

There was no unwritten rule about avoiding overt criticism between our club and theirs.

When Minty banned us from Ibrox he made clear implications about our behaviour and I did not have to draw any inferences from it (wee semantics lesson there for you Sir Davie).

He then complains about Dr. Reid's reference to "we are not a spending club" while ignoring his own famous quote- "for every fiver they spend..."

These are the chickens of Karma coming home to roost.

mmmm Chicken karma

homersimpson csc

good night all

WithoutFearorFavourCSC

Paul

The phrase GOD is familiar, can't recall where I heard it first! I have to keep telling the bhoys GOD isn't the big man upstairs!

P&B, G.o.D. was first proclaimed here in 2004, when our great team were falling apart and before the rebuild had begun.

Listen, the bigots deserve respect and nobody should call them on being racist. The song is wrong but let's not talk about it anymore! Why do people keep talking about it? Can we no stop them. Jackson, Leckie! What are you doing with your time these days?

Sir Moonbeams
In denial
Govan
Glasgow

We have a game tomorrow morning and with Naka, Robson, Hartley, Donati all recently added to the injury list. Samaras not yet fully fit and Mac Donald recently recovered from a virus. Caldwell, Maloney, Brown, Mc Manus all put in a hard shift against Argentina and Boruc is hogging the tabloid lime light. It´s not all rosey!

St. Mirrens last game at Love Street is this one coming up. The incentive of saying an historical goodbye to the Buddies, coupled with their percieved aggreviances against us the last time we met, it could be quite a tough match.

Not much recuperation time and with Brown in goal I can see St. Mirren going a bit more direct as they have been finding goals hard to come by recently.

We need to take that into account and give whatever team Strachan manages to get out there all the heartfelt support we can muster. The away support normally do but I reckon our team will need all the pumping up they can get just to get them through this one. We need to turn up!

C´mon the Hoops

Hail Hail

p.s CET over here dont forget :-)

HT Estudiantes 0-0 Argentinos Juniors

2 yellows, nae goals, nae fitba.

Est. through on away goals if it stays 0-0.

In Honour of...
Today's Man of The Match

Dr. John , The 'Knight' Tripper!

Such A Night!

BigLiam

Spot on. Dr Reid got his retaliation in before the programme was broadcast and the 'altercation' becomes the story. Dr Reid has played a blinder in three lines. Brevity and stinging accuracy of soundbite trumps the sycophancy of a 46 minute interview. Media Shop has two options - go bigger or keep quiet. Either way, Dr Reid wins. We're united behind Reid, they're divided about Murray.

Sack Duffiedl, Sack Burley, Sack Peat. But leave Murray out of it :-)

Barcabhoy 10:34

Could it be that the present Global Recession is the catalyst for a Euro League giving Celtic the route to capital income that, with the fan base input, a club our size deserves. Roll on the day we meet Man U on equal terms.

Craggy 10:54

My wife is a nurse of 20yrs and I never tire of telling her that come wage negotiation time her union "successfully" negotiates an annual pay decrease. What sort of union is that.(As a sho stupid I avoid a capital U because they don't deserve it IMO).

OldTim

If it is not too much hassle please add my moniker to Kano's card. One day I will venture to BB's, dutch courage permitting. Having been the recipient of many prayers and novenas myself, it may not mean much to him just now but when he recovers he will apppreciate all our support

Awe_Naw_No_Annoni_Oan_Anaw_Noo November 21, 2008 12:03 AM

Almost caught me and my Sky+ out with the game tomorrow morning patter.

Did you deliberately wait till after 12 to introduce football to the blog?

Tomorrow's Herald:

... after 20 years as custodian of a Scottish institution, albeit one with anachronistic baggage perpetuated by an element of its support, Murray sees himself as having a moral obligation to do the right thing

And from a different article:

Murray stressed he wasn't defending the indefensible element of Rangers' support who continue to embarrass and defy the club despite repeated pleas to end their sectarian and discriminatory soundtrack, especially away from Ibrox.

"It's quite hard to stick up for people behaving like that," he said. "We have an element of supporters whose behaviour is totally unacceptable. We can only say it so many times. We're not denying we've got a problem - of course we've got a problem - but get off our backs and let us play football."

May I humbly ask..,
Could my username be added to the card for Kano also?

I have been moved at times by the level of support that is manifest in this community.

This site is different.

Once A Bhoy,

No I didn´t wait ! :-)

It didne work anyway :-)

Made it to 10:35 post but canny go any further tonight.

A magic day/night of reading.

Hail Hail to each and every contribution.

Paul67, on days like this your job must be easy. It's the quite days I respect your indefatigability most.

.

David Murray hits back at John Reid

The Ibrox chairman lays into his Celtic counterpart over criticism of Rangers claiming he lacks 'dignity and integrity'

Graham Spiers

Sir David Murray, the Rangers chairman, has chosen the occasion of his 20th anniversary in charge of the club to criticise John Reid, his counterpart at Celtic, whom Murray says has “crossed the line” in terms of alleged attacks Reid has made on the Ibrox club.

Murray heavily implied yesterday that Reid had lacked “dignity and integrity” in some of his recent comments about Rangers, even claiming that it was “dangerous” for a politician such as Reid to become an Old Firm chairman.

The Celtic chairman has spoken out about The Famine Song - the latest favoured chant of the Ibrox faithful - claiming that it is “racist” and “vicious”, and has even urged the police to wade in and arrest Rangers supporters under new legislation in Scotland.

Murray, who says Rangers are doing all they can to get the song stamped out, nonetheless believes that Reid has whipped up an orchestrated political campaign over the issue.

“There is an unwritten rule among Old Firm chairmen that you don't criticise Rangers or Celtic, but I do find that this has changed since John Reid arrived,” Murray said. “I did not go out my way to criticise [Artur] Boruc [the Celtic goalkeeper, involved in various incidents including making hand gestures at the Rangers fans]. I did not go out my way to criticise the things that Richard Gough was called over the years. I could go on and on, so I've been disappointed with some of the comments John has made.

“He has taken a few shots at us. We have not responded because there has been an unwritten rule between Rangers and Celtic that you show respect, and I will continue to do that. When you are the chairman of Rangers or Celtic, you have to be very careful. There is a strong argument, especially in the west of Scotland, that for a politician to become a chairman of a football club could be verging on being a bit dangerous.”

Murray claimed that Reid had tried to make unfair capital over The Famine Song - knowing that Rangers could be embarrassed - and that the issue had been wrongly politicised.

“We are not denying that The Famine Song is wrong, but I know that members of his [Reid's] political party encouraged the song to become a public item on the agenda,” Murray said. “I think John has to remember that he's not in the House of Commons now. This is the west of Scotland, the world of Rangers and Celtic, and I think we all have a responsibility to act in a sensible manner.

“I could comment on all sorts of things, such as the recent poppy business at Parkhead [where the fans were invited to clap rather than observe a minute's silence], but that's their business. All you are going to do is start an argument. I like to think this club [Rangers] shows a lot more dignity in many things. Because John Reid says things in his style, it doesn't mean we should follow. We try to do it with a bit of dignity and integrity.”

Reid last night dismissed Murray's comments, claiming that “when it comes to defending the welfare of Celtic, I will continue to comment without fear or favour".

(The Times)

o1bhoy

podium?

If the headline is accurate and given the "success driven" content of the story, then he is driving without a seatbelt!!!

McCoist in driving seat to be next Ibrox manager

Once a bhoy

man utd are a creation of the sky backed epl.....20 years ago old trafford rarely if ever sold out...the average attendance was under 40,000

despite george bests appeal, there was no worldwide following

what happened in the following 20 years was a sporting transformation thanks to a genius manager and a marketing transformation, thanks to the extra profile sky provided and a great business plan

when the playing field was level, we lost none of the lisbon team to man utd or anyone else in england, except when we decided they were past 1st team football

we only lost macari because he was paid badly at celtic and he had the same level of moral fibre as rangers first catholic signing

by the time we sold mclair , our position was poor because of financial incompetence by the kellys and whites

i'm sure paul67 will be writing an article on epl finances sometime soon, however as a preface i'll ask the following question....

of the 20 clubs in the epl how many made a loss in 2007......

OnceABhoy

Indeed - the article mentions:

McCoist's prospects hinge on Smith's ability to reclaim the Clydesdale Bank Premier League and prevent Celtic from claiming a fourth successive title.

So no chance then.

FIAR

It just struck me that with his team falling behind in the league, no income on the horizon, El Cardy showing signs of stress, himself taking a skelping and no light at the end of the tunnel.

Wee davy has again scored an own goal by opening up a debate on who will be the next manager. Shovel and hole.

Will the laptop loyal pick up on this?

Will JR break the rules again!

Who wants such a poison chalice!

Will the new man be allowed to mention the word "Chalice"?

Does Gordon (4IAR) Strachan have room above the family mantle for yet another head?

barcabhoy November 21, 2008 12:35 AM

i'm sure paul67 will be writing an article on epl finances sometime soon, however as a preface i'll ask the following question....

of the 20 clubs in the epl how many made a loss in 2007......

If I were a man with no fingers I could hazard a guess. 0.

once a bhoy

not even close

barcabhoy

Not that many then???

barcabhoy

Just realised "loss" not "profit", my sarcasm was totally lost due to this.

17 out of 20 made a loss.....the rest of the financial info on the EPL is mindblowing and all negative...mass insolvency, debts greater than turnover

the whole things a pack of cards....but i'll leave paul 67 to write the full story....

By Paul67Author Profile Page on November 20, 2008 3:56 PM

Imatim, CharlotteSquareHotlineCSC :-)

Indeed! :-)

Some of us have questioned those who journalists who are slaves to Murray's rhythm, the succulent lamb diners. Here's another slant. Due to their sycophancy, they have asked the banal and let him hold court. And then printed every word as he went off on one.

EnoughRopeCSC

barcabhoy

As a matter of interest (excuse the pun) are the 3 who made a profit still in debt of a high level?

I'm thinking along the lines of Arsenal, with the new stadium and inherent debt but added income.

Murray v Reid?

I've backed Paul's GOD since day one. Why?

As Deepthroat said in All the President's Men, "follow the money".

The reason why the neanderthals in the Rangers support hate Big Jock is because Big Jock took Celtic into hitherto unknown territory. A Protestant manager, a legend, first man to win the EC, Scotland's manager, a man who could unite all but the most marginalised and twisted, a guy who should, could, have been one of theirs but was recruited by Celic and saw through the sad operation that was FC Dignity.

Big Jock gave us not just on field success Celtic had never seen, but a global brand. We still benefit from it and the lumpen still cannot forget. Celtic have always been inclusive but Scottish society until, IMHO, Big Jock, was still able to portray Celtic as champions of a specific Scottish/Irish community instead of one which was open to all.

Big Jock's legacy was squandered till Fergus McCann arrived. Big Jock was a football visionary. McCann was an economic visionary. We stopped 10 in a row, (shame TB was sacrificed)and, the odd blip apart, have realised our potential ever since.

Rangers are reaping what they have sowed. Their brand is unattractive (at best!). Who beyond their limited heartlands wishes to be associated with them? Not the native Scots, who 80 years ago were rallied by anti irish bigotry, then 50 years ago by a post war feel good British identity.

That's all gone for good. Most Scots outwith Rangers are embarrassed by them. As the late, great, Ian Archer put it; an occasional embarrasment, a permanent disgrace.

Now that Celtic are financially secure and well managed and have a secure ideological and social understanding of what we are about, we are leagues ahead of them. It helps that we have a good manager and set of players too!

In the present circumstances on the political front, we can only shoot ourselves in the foot by the singing of Republican songs. The songs are not racist. They are not comparable to TFS. But, they are offensive to many people and we will be dragged down to their level by those who wish, by ignorance or malevolence, to do so.

This is a crucial year. Do them on the park and off it and I genuinely believe 10 in a row is possible. If you don't believe in a GOD, I have two words. Scott Brown.

Scott Brown didn't join Celtic because he loved us. He is a professional footballer who, 15 years ago would have joined Rangers. They could have bought him and offered him trophies, money and glory. Now, we can outbid them and he, like any other sane Scottish footballer will do likewise.

We won our 9IAR through sheer footballing managerial and playing skill. They won theirs by money. Now, we can beat them at both.

Night Lhads

If today is anywhere near as enjoyable as today was then I look forward to rising. More than wee davy can say.

Murray reminds me of Saakashvili
Reid reminds me of Putin

bitoffmorethanhecouldchewCSC

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I Wonder What ' Nom-De-Plume' Minty Has on Follow Follow....????

"The option for any individual to go and put a non-de-plume on a website, and call me an asset-stripper and all these other things, without foundation, is totally wrong," said the metals tycoon, who estimates he has ploughed more than £100m into his club. "If you've got a case, and you've got something to say, then be man enough to arrange to meet and say it. But I don't think these guys have as much credence the media give them.

o1bhoy

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taggsybhoy....

Best Article on Here for a Long Long Time....

Hail Hail....

o1bhoy

OnceABhoy.

No hassle.

really well said, Taggsybhoy!

Awe naw

Agree with sentiments re Saturdays game and its challenges. Similar re the biggest game yet this year on Tuesday in Denmarks equivalent of Inverness(got my thermals packed already).

Just to remind you tho Celtic's mangager also has a christian name. It's bad enough reading the popular press with their agendas calling the manager strachan, and the other walter without seeing it written by Celtic supporters.

http://www.etims.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2403&Itemid=29

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2008/nov/21/rangers-celtic

the 3 who made profit were..man utd, debt of over £1 billion

spurs....in debt but not as bad as most

and west brom....and that was last year in the championship

over half the league are insolvent.......in a majority the debt way exceeds the turnover...there is no way these clubs can trade out of this...they either need a benafactor or they will eventually or shortly go bust

and benefactors arent always what they are made out to be.......as portsmouth, newcastle, west ham and others are finding out

what alays asounds me is the relatively moderate siz of a lot of epl clubs

portsmouth, fulham, stoke, hull and others are no bigger than hearts or aberdeen

they have no marketing income...no income from shirt sales worth talking about and basic income without media of less than £15 million

in other words they are alive solely on rupert murdochs say so

My team for saturday

Brown

Hinkel
McManus
O'Dea
Wilson

Caddis
Caldwell
Brown
Maloney

Sheridan
McDonald

Subs Boruc McGeady Hutchison Mizuno Balde Naylor? Mark Miller

bournesouprecipe

You may well be contributing on KDS already but please read the latest posts on http://kerrydalestreet.co.uk/topic/8030513/48/

Collecting evidence might be necessary although I sense Sir Minty has realised he is not in control of how TFS is presented to the public (world wide and at home).
The Ranger's strategy is comin close to involving government precisely because those charged by government with dealing with TFS have failed to do so.

Anyone interested in what the inmates are saying over on folgen! folgen!

Here's a little sample of the pain they are feeling.

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And a real chairman said:

"In any case, no one should be under any illusion that in defending the welfare of Celtic and our supporters I will continue to comment when appropriate, without fear or favour."

Because that's what they do - they do their job, they stand up for their club and they make sure everyone knows it.
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Vanderhogg
The East Enclosure Dutchman

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He 'respects' their entire stinking club.

They respond by congratulating him on being a chairman.

They're ripping the piss out of him.

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So let me get this straight. Dr Death comes out and attacks our fans.

Weeks later Murray replies not by defending us or attacking Reid but basically saying please don't do that again John.

Reid replies straight away saying he will say what he wants.

Hmmm. Maybe someone could explain to me how we as a club and Murray as an individual don't look like bitches here.

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Murray, if you were going to make a tit of yourself, you should have done it when we were being attacked from all sides. Not a month later in a piss weak effort :maD:

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Blue Lew
He's taking the p!ss out of you Mr Murray.

Exactly.....a decade after all the private jets, signing Ronaldo etc he's being slaughtered by a 'wee taig from Wishaw'.

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He 'respects' their entire stinking club.

They respond by congratulating him on being a chairman.

They're ripping the piss out of him.

PS - If anyone is not happy about me posting this just let me know and I will desist.

All,

I have a bit of an odd request that I hope someone can help with.

I'm looking for a good quality image of the home top. Specifically around the badge/star area.

If anyone can point me in the right direction of said image, I'd be greatly obliged.

Hail hail

G.

Hey guys been away a few but have keep up to date on the scores, can someone please list me our current injuries? Just curious, also anyone know where i can see the game tomorrow in thailand?

I resisted the temptation to sign in as P8ddy ...... (Respect To The legend P8ddy btw)

Laird Murray will toil to reach his Silver Jubilee.
He, like his product, is an anachronism.
His, and the decilne of RFC, have been as predictable as the Dow, or should I say Death and Taxes. Their Declines have been As Predictable as a G.O.D. (or more )..

But Domination of who...?
Rangers?
How Obtuse.......
Some Might Say.... But more of that later...

There is an aroma of revenge dectected from the media. Some of them suggest Murray should sell while his 'LEGACY' is still intact. Knowing that he cannot in fact sell. These cowardly hyenas, edging closer, are a simple distraction. Speirs? The closest to the Fourth Estate you will ever know. Take that to the bank...If you can find one. Those who call him a Hun IMO are ignorant or simply inverted Huns themselves. HE attempts to be objective. If only more would.....

Desmond is a man of the World.
Aware. Astute & Primed for the Future. An 'Ubermenche' Nietzsche might accurately define him.
Murray, like Scotland, is egocentric, old and Full of its own self importance. His Time is Spent. Like Scotland. He is Yesterdays Man.... Hanging on and Demanding the Plaudits from the Clowns of the Fourth Estate circus....Sad that he interprets some of their plaudits as 'serious' analysis.

Reid is Simply the Bridge. He is a lap ahead of Old Master Murray with respect to the Scottish media, the SPL, and the SFA. Are you suprised? It seems so. It seems a cause to celebrate. Anyone could be ahead of them and their navel gazing agenda.....
Reid, Led by Desmond.... Is three laps ahead of the media, Ibrox, and indeed.....
Dare I Say it...

All of us......

G(s).O.D. are indeed a comin.....
Ironic or what?
Just Different.

PJ..
Roll On Ten (Quick)

Excuse the grammar....

Came in from the pub and unleashed...

I have watched CQN evolve from a rationale, financial based, objective and intelligent site to one shaped and guided by the very lazy, emotive and tabloidesque journalism that it claimed to rise above.

Paul67?
You were providing a Premium Service.
What happened to The Ideal?
Success?
Before you answer that Publicly...
Privatey....
Ask Martin His opinion on the EVOLUTION.
That is All I ask......

And before anyone says this was a once in twenty years opportunity....
Sorry....You just bought in to the merde... To quote PLG.

PJ
Who finds little to celebrate...
Except Ghordon Strachan & Standing Up For The Champions.

Taggsybhoy
Thoroughly enjoyed your commentary and assessment.
Thought I had heard all the derogatory terms for them,but have to say "the lumpen" really appeals to me.
Used to have the privilege of sharing a pint in the company of Ian Archer in the " Rock "in the late sixties.Great fellow,sad loss.
"Without fear or favour" again springs to mind.

Murray pampers to bigots and racists,
Scottish media pampers to Murray.

Imatim,

FF's reaction to Murray's later comments (in today's Times) are much more pro-Murray.

This is great stuff for us. The only way he can garner popularity with them is to become more extreme in his public pronouncements, and more aggressive towards us. That loosens the "OF" bond and backs him into a corner occupied only by his club's most zealous supporters. The Rangers "brand" (ahem), shrinks further...

However, I feel the most interesting aspect of the Times "interview" is Murray's tacit admittance that the "squad will shrink". This appears to have been missed by the men of letters on FF.

So, Rangers are now a selling club, (Sir) Dave?

Indeed Hoopsididitagain, just read Darryl Broadfoot's twisted piece in this mornings herald, my god this is one bizzare country we live in.

Darryl, this is the 21st Century, read and absorb John Reids statement - Without Fear or Favour... Without Fear or Favour... Without Fear or Favour...

Murrays arrogant dissing of John Reid is embarrasing. Rangers FC have stepped over the boundary of the unwritten rule with the Famine Song, no amount of deflection about Celtic's fans so called glorification (strong word) of the IRA will change this.

The times are a changing, we even have an African American President now, Celtic FC also have some very big friends in very high places throughout the world so there is no need not worry about defending the welfare of the club and its supporters Without Fear and Favour.

Darryl, do you have the balls and moral integrity to write an unbiased article about the cancer within Rangers FC Without Fear or Favour?

Just read Traynor's interview with Sir Dave. Was quite dissapointed, what happened to "...the Celtic fans won't like it" in the build up all week. As far as i'm concerned, Murray sounds like a defeated, broken man.

regarding the buroo etc from last night..

1000 rankers fans were asked if the thought Britian should change it's currency..
99% said no. they were happy with the giro....

well it is friday....

craggy island gaa
I didn't say everyone in the NHS is overpaid but a high percentage certainly are. Having said that remember that the add-ons all NHS staff and civil servant receive are worth around 30% on top of their basic salary:
index linked final salary pensions
death in service benefit
sick pay
family leave

On top of that lot: early retirement (with enhanced pensions and tax free lump sums) for some staff such as teachers, firemen and some NHS staff seems to be an accepted perk of the job.
The ONLY people that make money are the wealth creators - business owners, entrepreneurs, risk takers and those that work in the private sector without this group we have no wealth to support the non wealth creators. Privatise the civil service and the NHS I say.
On the Moonbeams issue isn't it wonderful to be able to bask in their embarrassment.
Hail hail and onto 4IAR.

Blantyretim

You are giving them too much credit the official figure was 99.99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999% :) :) :)

morning rocco..
i though i was being generous by saying it was only 10000 :)))

Roccobhoy,…………………………………

I think big P might delete youre last post………

Tooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

Long me thinks………………………..

BigJoeWhoKnowsFromPastExperience

benjybhoy, somewhat narrow view you have - money cant be made without the infrastructure and support services the public sector provides, the two are symbyotic i.e you cant have one without the other

Blantyretim

Good Morning How are you mate?

roccobhoy
its friday.....
are you over tomorrow or is it vill real before we see you again?

Villareal mate

I was there last Sunday at Hamilton as you know.

Its Villareal then Ibrox. not sure after that mate.

Whats the plans for the weekend??

I assume you are not going tomorrow ??

pjbhoynyc having a bad day on the sharemarket ? I am not sure whether to say uncalled for or what kind of snob are you . On a day when a Celtic chairman stands up for the rights of the Celtic family and the despicable detestable TFS you have the incredible indecency to go on a moral high ground based on what ? Some sort of financial elitist crap. Not impressed pj.

mountain_bhoy,

Any chance of posting a link to braodfoot's article?

Just want to annoy myself this morning!

benjybhoy - that's a more right-wing view than most Rangers supporters would have.

rocco
not attending tomorrow...
quiet weekend ahead...(no laughing at the back)...

will go out and watch the match then home.....? ;)))

you?

.

Taurangabhoy....

BarStoolCSC....Methinks.... ;o))))

o1bhoy

Then Home???

If I was a betting man.......

Alasdair Maclean - no problem - http://www.theherald.co.uk/sport/headlines/display.var.2469582.0.Old_Firm_chairmen_in_war_of_words.php

the question has to be why would the rangers chairman bring the racist chanting and singing of his fans straight back onto centre stage

he may have used the chat with hand picked members of the media to have a pop at our chairman, but in doing so he has thrust TFS back onto the agenda

he surely cannot think that a request to "just let us play football" will make the issue disappear. the traynors, jacksons, and ewen camerons of this world didn't think there was an issue anyway....the rest of the world are not so compliant....

...the other issue for murray is that media house do not come cheap.....how much longer can he afford to pay them to minimise the damage that the racists in his support are inflicting on the club

media house are very good at what they do, but once momentum really gathers on this issue then their effectiveness will be limited

and in true murray fashion he managed to include us with them in his assessment of the respective merits of the squads...."both teams are fill of £2 million players, with the odd exception"......our odd exceptions are brown,mcgeady,samaras, skippy, boruc, jvoh,hinkel caldwelland mcmanus....A £2 million bid wouldn't even be acknowledged for any of them.... thats 9 out of 11....

he then followed that up with insulting Iceland..."whats the capital of Iceland...£2 and a box of fish"...minor and trivial, but hardly a sensible thing to do when his club stand accused of racism

all of which leads me to think this was a love in to celebrate his 20 years which went wrong for him
as usual put him in front of a microphone or a journo and give him enough time and he will eventually put both feet firmly in his mouth....

Blantyretim

I coach a football team mate so the have a match tomorrow afternoon so will miss the Celtic game.

Quiet weekend mate

I,m heading back oer to Manchester next weekend to re aquaint mmyslef with that lady.

P.S. I coach in the same club as Cillian Sheridan played for.

One of the kids on the team I coach is going on trial at Celtic at Christmas so Naturally I,m delighted.

new article posted.

good stuff rocco.
your coaching skills are not wasted then. (unlike your good self)..

i played against home farm back in the day...long time ago..

01 after I responded I thought the same. Not like I haven't had the odd beer glass inspiration myself.

pj I have had a few myself so apologies for getting personal.

We should stick to the debate not attack each other.

I am sure we both agree that the best possible response is three points against my local team.

As a few have said the buddies have a good home record against all recently. Three points will be mighty.

blantyretim

In case you missed it, I replied to your query about SkySports last
night, think it was around half 10 if you wanted to read back.

Hail Hail

craggy

By benjybhoy on November 21, 2008 8:57 AM
craggy island gaa
I didn't say everyone in the NHS is overpaid but a high percentage certainly are. Having said that remember that the add-ons all NHS staff and civil servant receive are worth around 30% on top of their basic salary:
index linked final salary pensions
death in service benefit
sick pay
family leave

On top of that lot: early retirement (with enhanced pensions and tax free lump sums) for some staff such as teachers, firemen and some NHS staff seems to be an accepted perk of the job.
The ONLY people that make money are the wealth creators - business owners, entrepreneurs, risk takers and those that work in the private sector without this group we have no wealth to support the non wealth creators. Privatise the civil service and the NHS I say.
On the Moonbeams issue isn't it wonderful to be able to bask in their embarrassment.
Hail hail and onto 4IAR.

benjybhoy

I'd say I concur with the sentiments of the last 2 sentences of your post.

As for the rest of it, you are hiding elements of the truth around a lot of fiction.
I will have to work 40 years until I am entitled to my full pension same as rest of NHS.
If someone chooses to retire early for whatever reason they will receive less.
ENHANCED PENSIONS?! They're in the business of carving up the final salary scheme so don't
see how all or even most from now on will benefit the way you think they will.

Sick pay is somthing that anyone should br entitled to, if they choose to abuse their right then it is wrong.
But is not wrong to have sick pay in place for people who need it.
"Family leave" as you call it is actually Parental leave, and the vast majority (9 of the 13 weeks over 14 years) is UNPAID.

You have your viewpoint, I have mine. And I shall defend the NHS without fear or favour*.

Maybe you are one of the wealth creators, and good luck to you, the country needs them.

But it also needs people who work to catch people when they fall.

You can lift yourself and the go-getters up all you want,
I'll keep catching people when they fall.

As we agreed, Hail hail and onto 4IAR.

craggy island

Steven Fletcher In
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Jan 09

Paul67

From last post

"Antsman, “all by implication” is, in fact, blatantly untrue. Try finding a single comment to support that assertion and I am sure you will be unsuccessful.

Getting what they say right all the time is difficult enough without getting the things they don’t say right.

As for Celtic not being able to compete financially with Championship teams, I suspect we spend more on football operations than every single one of them" I don’t know who you have been listening to!

I am not contesting we spend more than championship clubs but it HAS been claimed we can not compete financially with some of them.

As for the 'by implication' the quote is often "the premiership" or "the english league"

I can find various quotyes substantiating that.

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