Story of the fans

can it be true 1st?

Childish response to a great article, but the excitement overwhelmed me!

come on home estadio..we miss your comments

everyone's still asleep ... very exciting venture for Estadio, look forward to reading the results.

Great idea Estadio,

Good luck with it mate.

Top ten will do for me

Does Rawyards count on your travels ?

By fergus slayed the blues on November 15, 2008 9:50 AM
sorry I did not get back to you guy last night ,mrs fergus was feeling broody ,so I had to go and boil 6 eggs and put them in my old boater for her to sit on .I am too old for all that other malarky .
thanks for the tips bhoys
the CQN coupon is as follows .
liverpool .....pf ayr
spurs..........jinksy
villa to draw ....inky
reading........tim ITC
newcastle .....fergus
c,mon the hoopsters..hail hail.

Morning everyone and Hail Hail Estadio. What a trip round the world this will be. Magic.

Estadio,
A wonerful idea and a trip of a lifetime!

Enjoy it and good luck.

Estadio

I met you twice, read you many more times. I don’t think any other Celt, can do this job better than you will. I’ll be waiting for the crowning achievement of your journeys, into the hearts of people. Good luck to you, and to your good lady.

Brilliant idea, and scarily enough one I had the other day under the influence of some alcohol, having just read Adrian Chiles' "We Don't Know What We're Doing" (an excellent read, by the way) and thinking there must be fans like that of every club. Though reading your description, you would do it so much better. Than me, and than Chiles. Good luck!

Estadio -

Strange that only yesterday I was wondering what you were up to, and that I hadn't heard from you in some time, then up you pop!

All I can say is best of luck to you and the 'SW'. If you are doing an "A to Z" and are struggling to find a "T", you are more than welcome in Turra, home of the 01888 phone code and many, many true Celtic fans. Looking forward to hearing of your adventures, will it be made into a book and a TV programme, "On a Long Road" perhaps?

Urlyc

vmham

you have changed????

An amazing idea Estadio. God bless you and the slabbery wummin.

I hope you've been in touch with potential publishers of the resultant book. I also think you should get in touch with Radio Scotland and BBC Radio 4 to see if they would be interested in an audio documentary. As far as I can see, it would work really well if people's stories are not too similar.

You will get the Glaswegian exiles, of course, and the Irish people, and the children of both, but the guy that runs that amazing Harp bar in Paris is a Swede, so that's an interesting variation.

Then there's this amazing guy in north-east Brazil that is a one-man CSC just because he fell in love with Celtic. I'm sure Rioskorrie can tell you more.

Priests and nuns also took the name of the club to all parts of the globe, teaching wee mites the world over about Brother Walfrid and about the Lisbon Lions.

Rimtimtim in Madrid might be able to help you track down the vestiges of a team called Celtic Castilla that played at quite a high level of amateur football in Spain in the 70s. They chose their name after seeing the Lions. That was what football was meant to look like, they said, and set about emulating it. Rimtimtim, if Tam G is still around, he knew a couple of those guys, I think.

I'll email this to you as well, Estadio, in case it helps.

Bon voyage to you both.

15th place =poor

Great idea, may I suggest that Estadio should seek out Bhoys and Ghirls who live under oppression and are denied the freedom of speech and expression whilst having to endure the will and terror of others, places such as Kabul, Harare, Larkhall and Drongan.

Some great reading yesterday and very funny stuff, thanks to you all, too many to mention.
Emdy buy the Record today? Is Pablo's "exclusive" in it?

I heard Daryl Broadfoot making a complete **** of himself last night, if this is the chief football writer in Scotland's foremost broadsheet then God help them.
Kenny Clark was also interviewed, he was superb in his condemnation of Walter Nosurname, Kenny clearly using his razor sharp legal mind, he tore him and Graham "blue tinted spectacles" Roberts up for toilet paper.
Broadfoot's subsequent attack on Kenny was pathetic and exposed how much a loyal footsoldier he is to nice cuddly 60 year old Walter.
Shameful. Even Hugh Keevins sounded embarrassed, and that is saying something.

I know it goes against the grain of many on here but if you get a chance to hear it, please do, it concisely brings home what we are up against.

Estadio

I envy you - a great adventure that will be.

Your good lady is either Celtic daft like the rest on here or you have amazing powers of persuasion.

Make sure you keep in touch though and we all look forward to hearing the people singing their stories and their songs.

Good luck

by the way, Steven Caldwell is one of the guests on Soccer AM this morning, he seems a decent chap. Missed part of the show, but they don't appear to have asked him about how Ghod-like his wee brother Gary is yet.

Meant to say, whoever was talking about the Gary Caldwell song on Wednesday, mentioned a couple of articles back, I saw a guy around a couple of times on Wednesday night (pub, train station, Janefield Street after the game - think he was stalking me!) with an away shirt with the number 5 on it, and the word "HEID" where the name would be. Quality. Was it any of you lot?

Estadio best of luck on your mission it just got me thinking about my first trip to Paradise it was 1958, i think it was called a public trial match, it was called the Hooops v Whites & the Whites played in a Shamrock stripe white with green sleaves,Ijust wish someone at Parkhead could now design that strip as our second choice believe me it would be the biggest selling kit of all time!!! the above strip with green shorts & white socks, can you help me now GORDON when was the last public trial held it may have been 1964 GORDON you can do it i have every faith in you, teams & score please thanks.

oneantonrogan

your just paranoid :)))

joe parkhead

you can buy that strip on toffs..
can't do the link thing

oneantonrogan

On the stalker - if its one of us ( I hope not) then doubt he will have the neck to admit that. Will keep an eye out for the Heid Bhoy at CP though.

Blantyre Tim

Hows the Heid today

Vmhan

Ditto

Goldstar10 at 10.21,Im dying to hear it pal but I live over the border,do you know of how I could get to listen to it?

jinkysboy

ruff as a badgers...
i was too gone to post after my 2 rants..unlike vnhan who changed mid flow...

see you teetottlers ye sicken me...:))))

ha, he wasn't really stalking me, he was in the pub when I got there, he was standing at Queen Street when I got there, he was standing in Janefield Street when I got out of the stadium. He's probably somewhere thinking I'm stalking him! I only noticed him because of the HEID shirt. Best one I'd seen since the guy with 86 as the number and ALBERT KIDD as the name :-)

Blantyretim

Sorry to hear about your (self inflicted)suffering. I wouldnt go as far as saying Im teetotal yet - although I am proud of 7 weeks on the wagon.

Pablo posted a fantastic link at 1204 this morning and it really should be read by all. I tried to copy and paste it but couldnt get it to carry the link to the video into the new post.

Oneantonrogan - I seem to recall your have this kind of talent aligned to your great stato memory - can you help out with copying Pablos post into todays article

RhinoReadsAutocue- I expect it will be posted on Clyde 1 website at some point in near future.
I fully understand you may not want to click on this website. Otherwise maybe someone on here may have a recording and will post a link.

Cheers

GS

"ESTADIO" if you ever get to the "MOON"any chance of looking up my old neighbours in 29 SALAMANCA STREET the "MOONEYS" to see how they are getting on they say its a good ATMOSPHERE up there sorry BHOYS could not resist it!!!!!!HAIL,HAIL.

Link to Pablo's quality post from yesterday, for Jinkysboy

Goldstar10

I saw Kenny Clark in a wholly different light that day at the CQN 5s. Prior to that I had thought Kenny to be "alright" in a grudging kind of way, as usual, like most of us, having little understanding of the impossible circumstances in which the good Men In Black do their job.

As many have stated before, Kenny gave up his entire Saturday morning to ref games, unpaid, in the howling wind and rain.

He's not a Celtic man, he's just a good and very fair minded bloke. For obvious reasons I don't buy the Sun so I can't comment on his tabloid articles, but I'm not surprised he has become the kind of pundit we would all like to see and hear. Objective and undeferential (is that a word?). More power to Kenny and if you have a link to the radio show, Goldstar10, that would be just great.

I was watching TV last night - a movie I had seen a few times called Hostage with Bruce "Yipeekyaye" Willis.

At one stage he says he wants to speak to the hostage on the phone - WALTER SMITH.

Now I was stone cold sober - maybe a bit tired - but I said to Mrs jinks in all seriousness - isnt that Uncle Walter's "real name"

Now I was pretty sure it was but I was kinda saying "Im not 100%" so I actually googled it. Honest - Im not BSing

Either I am losing my jawries or the mejia influence really does affect us all

jinkysboy

thanks i read it this morning....

was a good night last night tony haggerty and willie mcstay...

too much whisky again....but its the weekend and im off on monday....

Or, for those wishing to stay on this thread: Pablo's post of last night:

This is priceless .......................!

From CM.

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Daily record molligated by GSI

I contacted the Daily Record at 18.55 this evening with the following,

Hi,

I am writing to inquire whether your paper would be interested in a video which has a Celtic player and an ex-Celtic player in the middle of Glasgow singing a rebel song.Both players can be seen but it is more evident that the ex-player is certainly singing along to it which happens after 0.59 seconds approx.Both players are very high profile and i think one is from an Irish background.

They got back within about three minutes,

Hi

That sounds interesting. Any more details?

Record newsdesk

I then got back to them,

Hi,

The picture is very clear and both players are instantly identifiable.You see the current Celtic player after about half a minute and as i said the former player after about 1 minute.I am at present waiting to hear back from other parties.There is another Celtic player in the piece but he does not appear to be singing

They were back to me within about two minutes,

Ok. How do we get a look at the video? Its unfortunate that we dont have it exclusively...(if it is good quality)

I then got back to them,

Hi

The quality of the video is excellent if there is a concern that the players are difficult to identify.As i said though i am waiting to hear back from elsewhere

Within three minutes again they were back,

Well, keep us posted on what u intend to do with it as I am sure there would be much interest at this end.
Cheers

I bet there would be

I then got back to them,

Hi,

Nobody has got back so i am prepared to pass it onto the Record.Is it possible we could come to some arrangement after you see the video.As i said it is three Celtic players,two current and one former player,with the former player and one current all singing a rebel song.You will see i have told the truth,whole truth and nothing but the truth.

Please get back asap to discuss agreement

The "Rebel" Song

I am waiting to hear back.

Taggsybhoy.

Did you get my e-mail.

Oneantonrogan

Many thanks

One day I hope to figure out how to do all that stuff

I think everyone should read the link posted by you. Its absolute class and shows how the Ranker would love that opportunity

Oh no, I mucked it up!

The Rebel Song

Mucking up the punchline is the worst way ever to end a joke :-(

Taggsbhoy and Goldstar

I was away on business, no sheep involved, on Mull on Thursday.

I met Kenny Clark's brother in law, who's a polis there.

Whilst chatting, prior to the action, he asked if I knew KC, there being a professional link.

I had to demur but did ask him to settle the great debate once and for all.

And, unless all polis tell lies, heaven forfend, I can exclusively reveal that Kenny definitely tends to'ard The Light. 'Fishul.

What was Darryl Broadfoot's 'attack' on him?

The Ghod-Like Caldwell's brother mere mortal brother has blasphemed him by saying that he wants to replace him in the Scotland team.

classic oneantonrogan classic

taggsybhoy-
Yes, I have also met Kenny a few times, just as he did for CQN 5's he would give his time to referee charity games, attend fund raising nights etc.
He is a top bloke, totally down to earth and honest, I also met him whilst travelling on business, he remembered who I was and we chatted as if we had only spoken yesterday.

As a ref he was one of the best (even though he denied Neil Lennon a stonewall penalty at Ibrox), but hey, who hasn't made mistakes in this world?

As I said earlier, I don't have a link but Clyde1 website will have in the near future.

ATB

GS

Blindlemon

Professional connection?

Are you a referee too?

Celtic 1st

Nope, I'm a features editor on the Sun.

I specialise in Think Pieces, on weighty matters of import which affect us all in the Post Modern Global Society, with particular emphasis on the relationship between emerging economies and the G8 and the affect upon the structure of , in particular, the European Union.

I'm not very busy , really.

UTLR

Thanks for replying about the Novo song.

I have been on your site a couple of times - after the Livvie game I voted the GB man of the match on CQN.

Its important that bhoys like you come across as you do and spread the truth on the GB. I think most people at CP dont get what you are all about.

On saturday I was really surprised that all the folk around me in the NSL on the halfway line had no idea you were gonna walk out and when you did why. So they assumed at that time you were being huckled - troblemakers - 2 + 2 = 5.

Song and colour = atmosphere . me and many on here miss the old time atmosphere and if you read last night and other times I and many others wish for a real rendition of One Gordon Strachan.

I would welcome your views on how we as a support can get this going at CP. Perhaps your bhoys could start that up ofetn enough that the rest of us campaigners can join in and then we could really start it throughout the stadium.

Lastly - you made some good points regards the problem with selling merch that others will wear and could taint your image. Maybe for now refrain from this type of merch (T shirts). I think that the idea of the leaflets was a good one and should be spread to other issues with the first being a leaflet on the GBs ideals so that your fellow Celts understand your aims.

Good luck and keep posting

Blindlemonchitlin- DB clearly felt under threat by KC's straight talking and simple common sense. His reasoning went something like "that's rich of Kenny Clark, would not say anything when he was a grade 1 referee but happy to talk his mind now". The fact that KC was not allowed to speak to the press somehow got lost in his reasoning.
On the Graham Roberts rentagob, KC said that all "provincial club" players say that oficials will back the O** F***.
He cited as an example Steven Pressley who when a jambo said refs were biased to O** F***, but when he joined Celtic he said the refs were anti-Celtic.

DB then slaughtered KC for bringing SP into the debate, saying that was just the same as Walter Nosurname citing Tom Murphy's name.
Now, ghuys, that will not make any sense to you all, but, unbelieveably this is what was meant.
As I said Keevins was cringing.

clyde link to kenny clark

Ulster-Celt

I take no credit at all for that post, it's copied from something pablophanque posted last night, which I believe was taken from CelticMinded originally.

John Hartsons piece in the Currant Bun Today

MADE in Scotland.

That’s the best way to describe the Murphygate offside row which has rocked the SPL this week.

Only in Scotland could the Rangers manager slam a linesman called Murphy for TWO wrong offside calls — one against Celtic.

Only in Scotland could the row rage on and on in every newspaper and on every radio phone-in.

Only in Scotland could the paranoia and the conspiracy theories rumble on for days on end.

There are those who think such feuds are bad for the game here. But I LOVE them.

Let’s be honest, there is nothing quite like a deep sense of injustice to send Old Firm fans through the roof.

And there is no city like Glasgow in the world where opinions can be so divided on the lifting of one little flag.

Now don’t get me wrong. I’ve screamed, seethed and shouted at the odd offside decision in my time.

I was denied TWO perfectly good goals in Old Firm games to add to the nine I bagged for Celtic against Rangers.

Kenny Clark, now a fellow SunSport columnist, ruled out one for offside when I was onside in the 2003 League Cup Final against Rangers.

I also had one cancelled out when TV replays proved I was onside in my first-ever derby for the Hoops at Ibrox.

Celtic didn’t win either of those games and the painful memories still annoy me after all these years.

That’s why I can sympathise with Walter Smith over Kris Boyd’s disallowed goal against Motherwell on Wednesday.

I was covering the game for Setanta and I could see when Steve Davis hit the pass that Boyd was clearly onside.

The big man would have scored. He might not have lashed it home with the same venom — that was borne out of frustration at the flag.

But he would have taken the chance.

So, is Walter just supposed to take it lying down when a bad decision has left Rangers four points off the pace when it should have been just two?

He’s a passionate man and of course he’s going to be angry. And he’s going to want to take that anger out on the linesman.

But he’s also a very shrewd manager and I honestly DON’T believe he was trying to imply that Murphy is a Celtic fan.

I think he was just trying to make the point that he has now cost Gers dearly in two big games.

I’m all for managers being able to voice their opinions after games. It’s what the fans and pundits want to hear.

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I hope the SFA don’t pursue Walter over the comments as it wasn’t the norm for him.

But the row at Motherwell is just typical of the full-on football feuds you only get with the Old Firm.

Glasgow is a wonderful city which is absolutely riddled with football stories, half-truths, rumours, exaggerations — and the Celtic and Rangers supporters buy into every one of them.

If someone gets sent off in an Old Firm game or a goal is disallowed then absolute madness ensues for days.

I remember flying home to Wales a few hours after an Old Firm game in which three players had been sent off.

When I got home, there were two lines on the match, seven pages from the back of the newspaper.

I came back to Glasgow the next day and it was on the front three pages and the back TEN. That summed up Scottish football for me. One great city, two of the biggest clubs on the planet and an insatiable appetite for drama.

Rows like the one involving Tom Murphy are what make and break Glasgow. There’s nothing like them.

They make the city what it is and they create a unique atmosphere.

Players and managers have to walk on eggshells.

Even today I can get into a taxi and I’m hailed a legend — or I can get into a taxi and the driver won’t talk to me.

I sometimes walk around the city with my hooded top pulled right down over my head and face. It’s not that I don’t want to speak to people, it’s just that I can do without the abusive shouts!

But that’s why I love the city and why there seems to be something explosive happening every time I come back.

Of course, Walter will know that ropey decisions tend to even themselves out over the course of a season.

Gers got a few big ones when Dundee United were denied a stonewall penalty and had a good goal chalked off at Ibrox last May.

Murphy may have made him bitter. But I’ll drink to a few more furious feuds to keep us talking.

Sorry if this has been stated already but was thinking that the Celtic View should do an article about Estadio's intentions (if he's happy to give them his thoughts of course)and then give updates from time to time highlighting his and the SW's journey.

Estadio,

Best of luck on your journey. As many others have stated I can't think of anyone better to partake on an adventure like this.

I also envy you. You may miss home at times but the wonderful stories you'll hear on your travels will more than make up for it. I look forward to the day I can read them.

Haha, just like Darren Fletcher a few weeks ago, Kenny Miller on Soccer AM chose Kris Boyd as "worst trainer in the Scotland squad". Also, again like Fletcher before him, singles out Captain Unbookable as the biggest moaner in the Scotland squad. Cut back to the studio, and Steven Caldwell agrees with both of them.

He also praised the sainted GC as being the team's hard man for his incredible tackles as well and wee Shaun for most skilful. They didn't ask Caldwell Senior about them though...

Thing is, Kris Boyd isn't even IN the Scotland squad. What sort of propaganda IS this?

It's official the Ghod-Like Caldwell is the hardest man in the Scotland team.

oneantonrogan,

I never used to miss Soccer AM until Lovejoy left. Why oh why did he leave it to go and do a Sunday morning cookery program!?!?

Does anyone know where I can go on line to trace back the results and dates for all games around 1970 - 1972

jinkysboy
try soocerbase.com

Fergus

many many thanks

Went on and found the match (9-1 against clyde 1971 my first game)

Chrissutton

I could understand oneantonrogan having a crush on TIM Lovejoy but hey big chap - behave.

jinkysboy

you might find what you are looking for here -
Scottish Football results from 1872 till the present day.

http://scottishfootballarchive.co.uk/

jinkysboy,

:P

He was the life and soul of the show. Well him and Hells Bells. They made a great team.

Estadio,

What an idea, and a labour of love to boot.

Be prepared for a serious trek once all the info floods in.

I have a Celtic-mad cousin who runs a bar in Budapest and shows every Celtic game. Will forward on your details to him.

I remember an article the Celtic View did a few years ago about an Irish bar in Marseilles. Like many worldwide Irish bars it showed the Celtic games for the ex-pat community but as it developed, it became a cult place for Marseilles fans who also followed Celtic. At the time it was published, it was reckoned there were more converted French fans in for the Celtic games than ex-pats.

Could be worth investigating.

Fantastic project, more power to ye.

Tully.

Max Rushden is growing on me despite a horrible shirt - I never really took to Andy Goldstein at all. Helen is great though, if she left they'd have to cancel it. I think the 20-20 hindsight is in play for Lovejoy's hero status, a lot of it wasn't just him leaving, but the producers and sidekicks and whatever that left with him.

cheltenham on today

any tips?
my brain is too frazzled to look at the paper...

Estadio, often through a glass darkly, I've raised this very subject (usually to be rebuked by Mrs S). Good on you (and the Slabbery One) it really will be the adventure of a lifetime.

However, you should consider visiting the Americas (especially the southern hemispherical part)?. Erico (Celtic First's one man CSC in Fortaleza) is getting married next year and I'm sure he'd be delighted if you could cover it in a "Hello" type spread.

Think about it.

horrible start, not shirt (though that fetching B&Q staff member number he had on last week wasn't too clever)

Just saw the BBC website story headline..

Rangers v St Mirren
"Smith seeks consistency."

First thing that sprung to mind was, - St Mirren beat them 1-0 last time.

Then I thought,

"You and me both, Smithy. You and me both."

Estadio -

great development, knew you had it in your mind so delighted you're ready to rumble

Best wishes always,

WG

Daily Record Molligated

http://www.randalstowncsc.net/home/modules/news/article.php?storyid=183

A classic, still laughing,

Celt33

Full publicity due to Estadio, TGITW held over till Monday

HH

WBG

RCC

Thanks for that site.

I was trying to find the date of my first match as I have now written to the View to ask if they archive old issues. I was in two issues as a ten year old in 1971 and would love to get them on PDF.

WG

Excuses excuses

jinkysboy

its because the teser real ale festival ends this weekend.:))

wg is on the sauce....

BT

Boozer Looozers the lot of ye.

I was thinking about Smith's remarks re. Tom Murphy. He seems to be saying that decisions go aginst his team when there are pro Celtic(probably Irish catholic) officials. If that is the case then he is conceding that the opposite is also likely to be true. And luckily for Rangers there are not too many Murphys etc on the referees and assistants SFA list.
Thanks for clearing that up, Walter.

Lhads, lhads, lhads -

I don't want to hog the crimelight and tomorrow's a matchday, I'll be back, honestly

in the meantime, although Teserfest ends tomorrow, I now switch my attention to 'munro' as many festive ales as possible before Feb 2, 2009

WG

WG

As David Ginola once said - your worth it (the wait that is)

Sounds like a marathon sesh coming over the Lanarkshire horizon

o1bhoy

Hows your peepers?

Did the doc tell you to stop straining them watching Home & Away and Taggart

amca

Thats the can he has opened - we have been told my whole life that officials are neutral despite their creed etc. Walter is now insinuating that was rubbish and we were not paranoid after all.

Im off to the docs on monday to ask for a refund on the drugs he has had me on for years.

jinkysboy - you got mail.

Estadio - amazing idea and what an adventure you'll have, although I don't envy you telling Pablo that he canny come wi ye!! :-)

TTTT

jinkysboy -

here's a wee tip if you're a real ale man

after Christmas (this happens around 9.30 pm on Christmas Day in Britain) look around the big stores and cairry-oot shoaps for reductions on the festive bottled ales. There are many bargains to be had as Rudolph's Real Ale is replaced by Easter Bunny Beer at 7am on the Feast of Stephen.

WenceslausGemmell

jinkysboy

i hope the doc takes you off of the medication too :))))

WG

At this point in time Im aff the beer for lent / advent and all dates in between.

I will trust you ti drink my share though.

Sounds like a strategy you have worked out though. Do the initials WBG stand for Winstons Baragains Galore?

WG

as that is my name, i wil feast on the ales...

stephen not rudolph :¬)

TTTT

Thanks for the mail - will cehck out the links sunday. 1st interview is next friday but thats on management skills (will try the cardigan approach - your not gonna give me the job cos I have an Irish surname are you).

The technical interview is the following week if the 1st goes well !!!!

BT

You just wish for me to share your pain today dont you !!!

I certainly dont miss the hangovers and I can take the car out at the weekend now too.

Estadio Nacional

Good stuff yeasterday. I hope you don't stop doing this. I hope you put your money on the draw against St. Mirren (1:1 ?).

jb, I was at that game as well ! The first time I sat in the recently opened Main Stand. Distinctly remember getting a wee bit fed up jumping up for the goals after number 6 !!!

OAR, thanks for bringing that over and I did chuckle at your punchline mishap :o)))

pablophanque

Estadio

Great idea and should be a great time researching.

Ive read a few good stories about Celts around the world on here and other sites. I'll dig out those I can find and email them.

As Celtic First mentioned, there is a bhoy in Brazil who was born there with no Scottish links, think he saves all year to have one trip to Glasgow a season. Im sure there are many more similar stories out there.

As someone posted on here late on Tommy Burns Thursday.

'Celtic - The only team you can see they have won the league from the moon'

jinkysboy

i don't drive anyway :)

daughter at dancing then a party. i will go out for a couple and watch a premiership game in the local...

back home for wba v chelsea...

Winter Beer Glutton mair like.

This IS a winning tactic that I have used often in the past - I snagged about two dozen Shepherd Neame Christmas Ales a few years back (the almond number) for next to nothing out of Haddows. Retailers don't like the 'Christmas' label a minute into Boxing Day but beer ain't like selection boxes - most of the fortified beers will do you till NEXT Christmas (what do you think I'll be offering NAFOS and SOAL ???). It's a shoe-in but you need to be on the ball (and having a daughter who works in Asda helps a tad !!!)

WassailGemmell

Pablo

If my Celtic lifetime had turned into an anti climax after seeing 9 goals blasted in first time out then it would be understandable.

But that was just the first line of the first page of the first chapter. Long may the story continue.

celt33

nice one

Zbyszek

Thank you for pointing that out.

My betting has majical powers, bet rangers to win on Wednsday night for a no loose situation, they were the only team I selected that lost, was delighted to have lost.

I did a brief bit of googling about the 'old' stadium and the new one are plans finalised yet?

Is there a stand which is to remain, you mentioned three stands being knocked down.

I had several conflicting googles.

For those missing Lovejoy SoccerAM style, this is good entertainment.

ChannelBee

Estadio all the best for what I imagine will be a great adventure for you and the 'slabbery Wumin'....If your looking to go to somewhere war torn , full of crime, poverty etc im sure St Stivs will take you up the Port no problem.

WG

Im sure you will pass the savings on to NAFOS and SOAL by charging them a few sheckles less when they pop round for New Years !!!

The man with no surname's comments on Tom Murphy strike me as deliberately and knowingly malicious. Had MON made any such comment when community policeperson Davies handed the FOD their lifeline at Tynecastle a few years ago he would have pursued 24/7 by the whole reptile house which is our sports press.

Notice too the contrast: Celtic fans alleging bias on radio get short shrift and have their sanity questioned. But when a panellist alleges that the tiny minority of officials who happen to be RCs are part of a pro-Celtic conspiracy he is treated with the utmost gravitas. I wonder why.

For the attention of the CQN Real Ale Clique if you come across any of these ales made by the Warrwickshire Beer Co. they are well worth the trying.

Jolly Green Giant 4.2%
Annually brewed green hopped
beer, brewed with fresh hops
picked at harvest time and added
to the brew within hours. A single
variety of hop is used to give a
refreshing crisp hoppy taste.

Churchyard Bob 4.9%
A full flavoured and aromatic beer
with a deep brown hue. Notes of
grain and chocolate on the nose
develop into a lovely roasty
richness on the palate. The finish
is sweet and fruity with a light
edge of bitterness.

Kingmaker 5.5%
A rich fruity Christmas cake of a
beer, ruddy brown in colour, to be
treated with caution! A grainy
spirity aroma leads onto a palate
with overtones of whisky, orange
and dark chocolate. A warming
alcoholic finish.

Life begins at the Hops CSC

Mark van Bommel. Out of contract in the summer.

just watching the Pool game

do those scallies have any songs of their own

the fields of ...eh anfield
and a THG song

what is it they say about theiving scouscers :¬)

GL2

did you get my reply ???

def give me a shout if something similar arises

Martin47

I know a bloke who phoned Clyde as he keeps stats on dodgy decisions for / against both us and them. He insists they get 7 in favour to our 1.

When he got through to the phone in keevins rubbished his claims with "Lies , damn lies and statistics" while cutting the "paranoid Celtic Fan" off

Narrowbhoat -

Kingmaker looks a winter winner

WG

I have been looking to pick the bookies pocket for a while now ,what do you think of this one .
8 CQN posters pick one result out of one league .
epl
1
2
3
4
spl
1
2
3
4
one poster for each league ,study that league for a season and try to pick the one result out of their league only .post them on a friday ,with an 8 game accu ,odds would not matter it would pay out a few bob .if it came up with say 20 CQN posters on it the CQN charity would be quids in .
hail hail
I have five posters willing to give it a go
pf ayr
kellys hero
jinky
estadio
fergus ,I need three more victims anyone else fancy a go .may get it going next week .
hail hail

Fergus count me in

Compliments tae Pablo ..........whit a brill windup!

Well done tae oneantonrogan fur re-posting it.

ma heid is nipping this fine day..........it was maybe aw they bikers, or the craic or the drink? naw definately not the drink....honest.

That poor wee priest's ears must huv been nippin last night Derryghirl was nippin away aw last night !........he would huv heard a few tunes as well if aw they bikers left the pub on time so that the locals could have had a lock in.

ma heads sore enough tae cover two sore heads any good cures.

so whit huv a missed?

fergus

i'll take the plunge....

vman aw

ye dae huv 2 sore heads.....I'm the owner o wan o them lol

ur ye at work?

v

Estadio's odyssey sounds like a winner to me. I look forward to the book and accompanying DVD.

Quiet day for me with no game, couple of EPL offerings on tv though. Not really interested in what happens on teh south side, I'm sure it will be a comfortable home win. What's the odds on Boyd being called offside though? And what are the linesmen called??

WATTIEGATE

i consider that Wattie may have scored a very significant own goal with his assistant ref comments .

Thinking about it ...these things don`t even themselves out ...we have never received the level of assistance from the MIB that the huns have .

take 2 games from last season

CIS cup final ...the failure to award DU a clear penalty whilst they were 1-0 up

same team 3-2 to huns the rev engages in the most blatant example of referee bias

they can refer to an occassional isolated incident such as a hard to spot handball/ marginal offside and the like

i for one welcome more scrutiny on the refs and any examples of favouritism they may exhibit

imo ..they have a lot more to lose than we have

WG

That should be "King of Kings Kingmaker". I am presently supping the hops in Yorkshire, I am just about to go out with my cousin in a wee while to try a few jars before heading back to the "Shire" after successfully establishing the "The CQN Tri-Shires Clique"

Missionaccomplished CSC

c

Pfayr yes. Im sure I replied. I'll def keep you in the loop for others. I'll need to see about my mail as Martin did not seem to get mail last night as well.

btw my heid is bursting and im trying to pick my coupon...

Dick Byrne as I know you will be interested the gout has improved enough into that I should be back out on the roads next week.

P+B got your mail thanks incase my reply does not get through.

vinny_bhoy

under the same pressure, watch that wmhan aw bhoy, he is trying to confuse me;;;;

vinny_bhoy.......ur you ma alter ego

ur am a/ you the 2 heeded man ?

whits happening?

vman

Gordon J

the huns will get very decision today

what i`ll be interested in is if there is any comment

bet that there is none

blantyretim.................you're confused......

ah don't know if am comin or going here ?

am I in work or noaw?

goin fur apint ur naw?

help ma boab.......

vman

From Celticminded.com...............

The hidden History of Irish slavery takes us down a revolting path wandering through one of the most insensitive and savage episodes in history, where the greed and avarice of the English monarchy systematically planned the genocide of the Irish, for commercial profit, and executed a continuing campaign to destroy all traces of Irish social, cultural and religious being. As the topic was politically sensitive, little has been written about this attempted genocide of the Irish, and what has been written has been camouflaged because it is an ugly and painfully brutal story. But the story should be told.

Transportation and Banishment

If Queen Elizabeth I had lived in the 20th Century. she would have been viewed with the same horror as Hitler and Stalin. Her policy of Irish genocide was pursued with such evil zest it boggles the mind of modern men. But Elizabeth was only setting the stage for the even more savage program that was to follow her, directed specifically to exterminate the Irish. James II and Charles I continued Elizabeth’s campaign, but Cromwell almost perfected it. Few people in modern so-called “civilized history” can match the horrors of Cromwell in Ireland. It is amazing what one man can do to his fellow man under the banner that God sanctions his actions!

The reign of Elizabeth I, English privateers captured 300 African Negroes, sold them as slaves, and initiated the English slave trade. Slavery was, of course, an old established commerce dating back into earliest history. Julius Caesar brought over a million slaves from defeated armies back to Rome. By the 16th century, the Arabs were the most active, generally capturing native peoples, not just Africans, marching them to a seaport and selling them to ship owners. Dutch, Portuguese and Spanish ships were originally the most active, supplying slaves to the Spanish colonies in America. It was not a big business in the beginning, but a very profitable one, and ship owners were primarily interested only in profits. The morality of selling human beings was never a factor to them.

After the Battle of Kinsale at the beginning of the 17th century, the English were faced with a problem of some 30,000 military prisoners, which they solved by creating an official policy of banishment. Other Irish leaders had voluntarily exiled to the continent, in fact, the Battle of Kinsale marked the beginning of the so-called “Wild Geese”, those Irish banished from their homeland. Banishment, however, did not solve the problem entirely, so James II encouraged selling the Irish as slaves to planters and settlers in the New World colonies.

The first Irish slaves were sold to a settlement on the Amazon River In South America in 1612. It would probably be more accurate to say that the first “recorded” sale of Irish slaves was in 1612, because the English, who were noted for their meticulous record keeping, simply did not keep track of things Irish, whether it be goods or people, unless such was being shipped to England. The disappearance of a few hundred or a few thousand Irish was not a cause for alarm, but rather for rejoicing. Who cared what their names were anyway, they were gone.

Almost as soon as settlers landed in America, English privateers showed up with a good load of slaves to sell. The first load of African slaves brought to Virginia arrived at Jamestown in 1619. English shippers, with royal encouragement, partnered with the Dutch to try and corner the slave market to the exclusion of the Spanish and Portuguese. The demand was greatest in the Spanish occupied areas of Central and South America, but the settlement of North America moved steadily ahead, and the demand for slave labour grew.
The Proclamation of 1625 ordered that Irish political prisoners be transported overseas and sold as laborers to English planters, who were settling the islands of the West Indies, officially establishing a policy that was to continue for two centuries.

In 1629 a large group of Irish men and women were sent to Guiana, and by 1632, Irish were the main slaves sold to Antigua and Montserrat in the West Indies. By 1637 a census showed that 69% of the total population of Montserrat were Irish slaves, which records show was a cause of concern to the English planters. But there were not enough political prisoners to supply the demand, so every petty infraction carried a sentence of transporting, and slaver gangs combed the country sides to kidnap enough people to fill out their quotas.

Although African Negroes were better suited to work in the semi-tropical climates of the Caribbean, they had to be purchased, while the Irish were free for the catching, so to speak. It is not surprising that Ireland became the biggest source of livestock for the English slave trade.
The Confederation War broke out in Kilkenny in 1641, as the Irish attempted to throw out the English yet again, something that seem to happen at least once every generation. Sir Morgan Cavanaugh of Clonmullen, one of the leaders, was killed during a battle in 1646, and his two sons, Daniel and Charles (later Colonel Charles) continued with the struggle until the uprising was crushed by Cromwell in 1649. It is recorded that Daniel and other Carlow Kavanaghs exiled themselves to Spain, where their descendants are still found today, concentrated in the northwestern corner of that country.

Young Charles, who married Mary Kavanagh, daughter of Brian Kavanagh of Borris, was either exiled to Nantes, France, or transported to Barbados… or both. Although we haven’t found a record of him in a military life in France, it is known that the crown of Leinster and other regal paraphernalia associated with the Kingship of Leinster was brought to France, where it was on display in Bordeaux, just south of Nantes, until the French Revolution in 1794. As Daniel and Charles were the heirs to the Leinster kingship, one of them undoubtedly brought these royal artifacts to Bordeaux.

In the 12 year period during and following the Confederation revolt, from 1641 to 1652, over 550,000 Irish were killed by the English and 300,000 were sold as slaves, as the Irish population of Ireland fell from 1,466,000 to 616,000. Banished soldiers were not allowed to take their wives and children with them, and naturally, the same for those sold as slaves. The result was a growing population of homeless women and children, who being a public nuisance, were likewise rounded up and sold. But the worse was yet to come.
In 1649, Cromwell landed in Ireland and attacked Drogheda, slaughtering some 30,000 Irish living in the city. Cromwell reported: “I do not think 30 of their whole number escaped with their lives. Those that did are in safe custody in the Barbados.”

A few months later, in 1650, 25,000 Irish were sold to planters in St. Kitt. During the 1650s decade of Cromwell’s Reign of Terror, over 100,000 Irish children, generally from 10 to 14 years old, were taken from Catholic parents and sold as slaves in the West Indies, Virginia and New England. In fact, more Irish were sold as slaves to the American colonies and plantations from 1651 to 1660 than the total existing “free” population of the Americas!
But all did not go smoothly with Cromwell’s extermination plan, as Irish slaves revolted in Barbados in 1649. They were hanged, drawn and quartered and their heads were put on pikes, prominently displayed around Bridgetown as a warning to others. Cromwell then fought two quick wars against the Dutch in 1651, and thereafter monopolized the slave trade. Four years later he seized Jamaica from Spain, which then became the center of the English slave trade in the Caribbean.

On 14 August 1652, Cromwell began his Ethnic Cleansing of Ireland, ordering that the Irish were to be transported overseas, starting with 12,000 Irish prisoners sold to Barbados. The infamous “Connaught or Hell” proclamation was issued on 1 May 1654, where all Irish were ordered to be removed from their lands and relocated west of the Shannon or be transported to the West Indies. Those who have been to County Clare, a land of barren rock will understand what an impossible position such an order placed the Irish. A local sheep owner claimed that Clare had the tallest sheep in the world, standing some 7 feet at the withers, because in order to live, there was so little food, they had to graze at 40 miles per hour. With no place to go and stay alive, the Irish were slow to respond. This was an embarrassing problem as Cromwell had financed his Irish expeditions through business investors, who were promised Irish estates as dividends, and his soldiers were promised freehold land in exchange for their services.

To speed up the relocation process, a reinforcing law was passed on 26 June 1657 stating: “Those who fail to transplant themselves into Connaught or Co. Clare within six months… Shall be attained of high treason… are to be sent into America or some other parts beyond the seas… those banished who return are to suffer the pains of death as felons by virtue of this act, without benefit of Clergy.”
Although it was not a crime to kill any Irish, and soldiers were encouraged to do so, the slave trade proved too profitable to kill off the source of the product. Privateers and chartered shippers sent gangs out with quotas to fill, and in their zest as they scoured the countryside, they inadvertently kidnapped a number of English too. On March 25, 1659, a petition of 72 Englishmen was received in London, claiming they were illegally “now in slavery in the Barbados”'.

The petition also claimed that "7,000-8,000 Scots taken prisoner at the battle of Worcester in 1651 were sold to the British plantations in the New World,” and that “200 Frenchmen had been kidnapped, concealed and sold in Barbados for 900 pounds of cotton each."
Subsequently some 52,000 Irish, mostly women and sturdy boys and girls, were sold to Barbados and Virginia alone. Another 30,000 Irish men and women were taken prisoners and ordered transported and sold as slaves. In 1656, Cromwell’s Council of State ordered that 1000 Irish girls and 1000 Irish boys be rounded up and taken to Jamaica to be sold as slaves to English planters. As horrendous as these numbers sound, it only reflects a small part of the evil program, as most of the slaving activity was not recorded. There were no tears shed amongst the Irish when Cromwell died in 1660.
The Irish welcomed the restoration of the monarchy, with Charles II duly crowned, but it was a hollow expectation.

After reviewing the profitability of the slave trade, Charles II chartered the Company of Royal Adventurers in 1662, which later became the Royal African Company. The Royal Family, including Charles II, the Queen Dowager and the Duke of York, then contracted to supply at least 3000 slaves annually to their chartered company. They far exceeded their quotas.
There are records of Irish sold as slaves in 1664 to the French on St. Bartholomew, and English ships which made a stop in Ireland en route to the Americas, typically had a cargo of Irish to sell on into the 18th century. Few people today realize that from 1600 to 1699, far more Irish were sold as slaves than Africans.
Slaves or Indentured Servants

There has been a lot of whitewashing of the Irish slave trade, partly by not mentioning it, and partly by labelling slaves as indentured servants. There were indeed indentureds, including English, French, Spanish and even a few Irish. But there is a great difference between the two. Indentures bind two or more parties in mutual obligations. Servant indentures were agreements between an individual and a shipper in which the individual agreed to sell his services for a period of time in exchange for passage, and during his service, he would receive proper housing, food, clothing, and usually a piece of land at the end of the term of service. It is believed that some of the Irish that went to the Amazon settlement after the Battle of Kinsale and up to 1612 were exiled military who went voluntarily, probably as indentureds to Spanish or Portuguese shippers.

However, from 1625 onward the Irish were sold, pure and simple as slaves. There were no indenture agreements, no protection, no choice. They were captured and originally turned over to shippers to be sold for their profit. Because the profits were so great, generally 900 pounds of cotton for a slave, the Irish slave trade became an industry in which everyone involved (except the Irish) had a share of the profits.
Treatment

Although the Africans and Irish were housed together and were the property of the planter owners, the Africans received much better treatment, food and housing. In the British West Indies the planters routinely tortured white slaves for any infraction. Owners would hang Irish slaves by their hands and set their hands or feet afire as a means of punishment. To end this barbarity, Colonel William Brayne wrote to English authorities in 1656 urging the importation of Negro slaves on the grounds that, "as the planters would have to pay much more for them, they would have an interest in preserving their lives, which was wanting in the case of (Irish)...." many of whom, he charged, were killed by overwork and cruel treatment. African Negroes cost generally about 20 to 50 pounds Sterling, compared to 900 pounds of cotton (about 5 pounds Sterling) for an Irish. They were also more durable in the hot climate, and caused fewer problems.

The biggest bonus with the Africans though, was they were NOT Catholic, and any heathen pagan was better than an Irish Papist. Irish prisoners were commonly sentenced to a term of service, so theoretically they would eventually be free. In practice, many of the slavers sold the Irish on the same terms as prisoners for servitude of 7 to 10 years.

There was no racial consideration or discrimination, you were either a freeman or a slave, but there was aggressive religious discrimination, with the Pope considered by all English Protestants to be the enemy of God and civilization, and all Catholics heathens and hated. Irish Catholics were not considered to be Christians. On the other hand, the Irish were literate, usually more so than the plantation owners, and thus were used as house servants, account keepers, scribes and teachers. But any infraction was dealt with the same severity, whether African or Irish, field worker or domestic servant. Floggings were common, and if a planter beat an Irish slave to death, it was not a crime, only a financial loss, and a lesser loss than killing a more expensive African. Parliament passed the Act to Regulate Slaves on British Plantations in 1667, designating authorized punishments to include whippings and brandings for slave offenses against a Christian. Irish Catholics were not considered Christians, even if they were freemen.

The planters quickly began breeding the comely Irish women, not just because they were attractive, but because it was profitable,,, as well as pleasurable. Children of slaves were themselves slaves, and although an Irish woman may become free, her children were not. Naturally, most Irish mothers remained with their children after earning their freedom. Planters then began to breed Irish women with African men to produce more slaves who had lighter skin and brought a higher price. The practice became so widespread that in 1681, legislation was passed “forbidding the practice of mating Irish slave women to African slave men for the purpose of producing slaves for sale.” This legislation was not the result of any moral or racial consideration, but rather because the practice was interfering with the profits of the Royal African Company! It is interesting to note that from 1680 to 1688, the Royal African Company sent 249 shiploads of slaves to the Indies and American Colonies, with a cargo of 60,000 Irish and Africans. More than 14,000 died during passage.

Curiously, of all the Irish shipped out as slaves, not one is known to have returned.

Following the Battle of the Boyne and the defeat of King James in 1691, the Irish slave trade had an overloaded inventory, and the slavers were making great profits. The Spanish slavers were a competition nuisance, so in 1713, the Treaty of Assiento was signed in which Spain granted England exclusive rights to the slave trade, and England agreed to supply Spanish colonies 4800 slaves a year for 30 years. England shipped tens of thousands of Irish prisoners after the 1798 Irish Rebellion to be sold as slaves in the Colonies and Australia.

Curiously, of all the Irish shipped out as slaves, not one is known to have returned to Ireland to tell their tales. Many, if not most, died on the ships transporting them or from overwork and abusive treatment on the plantations. The Irish that did obtain their freedom, frequently emigrated on to the American mainland, while others moved to adjoining islands. On Montserrat, seven of every 10 whites were Irish. Comparable 1678 census figures for the other Leeward Islands were: 26 per cent Irish on Antigua; 22 per cent on Nevis; and 10 per cent on St Christopher. Although 21,700 Irish slaves were purchased by Barbados planters from 1641 to 1649, there never seemed to have been more than about 8 to 10 thousand surviving at any one time. What happened to them? Well, the pages of the telephone directories on the West Indies islands are filled with Irish names, but virtually none of these “black Irish” know anything about their ancestors or their history. On the other hand, many West Indies natives spoke Gaelic right up until recent years. They know they are strong survivors who descended from black white slaves, but only in the last few years have any of them taken an interest in their heritage.

There were horrendous abuses by the slavers, both to Africans and Irish. The records show that the British ship Zong was delayed by storms, and as their food was running low, they decided to dump 132 slaves overboard to drownso the crew would have plenty to eat. If the slaves died due to “accident”, the loss was covered by insurance, but not if they starved to death. Another British ship, the Hercules averaged a 37% death rate on passages. The Atlas II landed with 65 of the 181 slaves found dead in their chains. But that is another story.

The economics of slavery permeated all levels of English life. When the Bishop of Exeter learned that there was a movement afoot to ban the slave trade, he reluctantly agreed to sell his 655 slaves, provided he was properly compensated for the loss. Finally, in 1839, a bill was passed in England forbidding the slave trade, bringing an end to Irish misery.

An end to Irish misery? Well, perhaps just a pause. During the following decade thousands of tons of butter, grain and beef were shipped from Ireland as over 2 million Irish starved to death in the great famine, and a great many others went to America and Australia. The population of Ireland fell from over 9 million to bottom out at less than 3 million. Another chapter, another time, another method…. same people, same results.

pablophanque

GL2

think that wolves are a good bet today

also i have pool..that`s kicked off though

birmingham

derby
and spurs

if you inadvertantly put one of them down as a draw you may have a chance :¬)

PFAyr, agreed.

Did anyone see the story about Everton using Football Manager 2009 for scouting? Apparently they have some sort of exclusive deal to use the database.

Or they could just have spent £30 and bought the game.

Blantyretim..........................met some frieeends fae the sooth o engerland last night wan fea blantyre........

Anne-Marie Doc she has 2 brothers Pat and Jim Doc. know them......I've met them a few times good cellic men.......

vinny bhoy

TON-CHE-TIM..............

instead of oor Sunday pint can we mibbeeeas go oot the day fur a wee libation as I need tae get rid o wan o ma sore heads........

vman

vinny_bhoy

i know jim, mrs bt was at school with his son...jason

Estadio N

Yes, one stand with a roof remains the same, until three other will be finished. It was long fight for the new stadium. This one served us for more than 80 years now, with a few innovations during those years. New stadium project is done, all the contracts are signed, and about 110 m GBP money is put on that investment. I think that's a lot of money in here, for 40 000 capacity stadium. The owner and the payer is Warsaw city. New stadium will be given in renting to the sponsor and the owner of the club, for the next 20 years. Not far away from that place, we build National stadium for 60 000 people, for Euro 2012.

That's the new stadium project.
http://legia.com/www/index.php?pod=18

estadio

good luck my friend ...sounds like the opportunity of a lifetime

takes bottle to up sticks and go

hope you`ll make it back for the 4 in a row and treble celebrations

shower time..then boozer...see you later

Estadio.

I must admit I'm a bit envious of you and your better half.
The galavanting around the World in it's self's a big treat but to incorporate it into a festival of meeting and drinking with like minded Celtic Supporters from around the world will be a wonderful,wonderful experience,you lucky "man".(I would have used another expression but Paul would have erased the post).

I've met you a few times and I took you as one of the most genuine Celtic men I've had the pleasure to meet,I hope your trip comes to fruition and you and your good lady enjoy every waking moment.

My most memorable meeting with you was when Zbyszek along with EDB & Pablophangue,I know Pablo will come back with a comment like (I was the driver and never had much drink) we went on a session the day of the Barcalona game,I can only speak for myself but that was some day,and I enjoyed every moment in your company.

Enjoy your trip and keep posting about your escapades,Going by your previous posts they will be worth the read.You should be posting now,as you are missed on the blog.

IT stuff ghuys

Don't ask... :-) can you save a word doc, a powerpoint pres and work on photoshop as pdfs?

Blantyretim....................don't know if its the same ghuy...

Jim's a social worker/ counsellor........i thought he has one wee lassie?

Pat has a box at CP or did have ?

v

greenlion
blantyre .cheers guys just need one more name and I will set the wheels in motion .I have to go now there is a cold pint with my name on it .
hail hail

Estadio - very best wishes to you and SW! Having read some of your work it will be a best seller of that I have no doubt. God Bless you both keep in touch!

Pablo - Very Very Funny! I know a guy and this is God's honest truth who went up to his kid's school to complain about them teaching his kid that very same song as it is agains the crown... you honestly could not make it up!

Nice to see the pressure getting to Wattie!

Hail Hail

fergus slayed the blues
I will take the challenge.
Bob

martin42.................got the mail.........

great choice ......I'm really looking forward to meeting some more quicknewsters..............and you're song choice is outstanding...

greenlion2 is looking fur toory on his tammy but I only know parts of it......anybody know it.......St Stivs ?

toory on his tammy ?

vinny

Vmhan (wherever / whoever you are today)

That alky hall pickles your noggin.

Get on that car insurance site - confused.com

Tell Ton Che I said howdy doody and enjoy the swallie today

The sun is shining here and Im heading to Sunny Govan to see Old Mrs Jinks but have to wait till the knuckdraggers get into their Bigotdome - too tempted to swerve onto the pavement whne I drive past them.

celtic bob
great stuff I will set it up later
kellyshero
pf ayr
jinky
fergus
estadio
greenlion blantyre
celtic bob .
thanks one and all
hail hail .

Gordon J

I read the Everton story yesterday, they could have downloaded the demo or employed PF Ayr's oracle.

Zbyszek cheers, all the best with it.

vman ive replied. Heading out to put on my line and I wish for a pint but the oldest cub needs driving tonight so no such luck.

For anyone who likes Becks. Tesco are seemingly starting a deal on Monday morning 15 bottles for £5. It will sell out quick so be early.

Celtic Bob

you and I will have plenty time to pick a winner after Chrimbo !!!

No excuses

pablo

an excellent peice

many thanks for posting it

it`s amazing what you can find on this fitbaw site

GL2

think Tesco had a deal with 15 Stella bottles at £5 last week.

Not that Im encouraging the partaking of Alky Hall you understand

GL2

Forgot to add that I think its morally immoral and wrong as wrong can be that when I jump on the wagon the shops drop the price of beer to less than it cost me for blooming pepsi max

Are jinkysboy and I the only non-drinking Celtic fans?? Certainly seems like it.

got it GL2...........

I need a beer.....................

v

Narrowboattim, can you drop me an e-mail mate. I'm at a loose end down here and would love to meet up for a wee beer as you seem to be in the area.

My user name at gmail.com

pablophanque

GordonJ

naw mate - you me and The Real Gordon Strachan (and naebody better say he isnae a Celtic fan)

In further health news:

I can confirm that red wine fixes colds.
Had a bad man cold all week peaking yesterday, had a wee cheeky bottle of vino last night, symptoms were reduced and I feel a lot better today.

This is not medical advice, please consult a doctor before use, always read the lable, if it says Chianti your fixed.

That's three then - can we start a teetotal clique? Anyone fancy Starbucks? Mines a grande no room Americano.

minx1888

Sometimes the press share doeasn't mean good pressure, and makes Rangers players, that they look like the Shar pei.

http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grafika:Shar_pei_welpen.jpg

oldtim67

Those were the days when we met for that game!

GordonJ

We would have to find a good name for the clique cos the Alkys will slag us off - through the haze.

We could indeed meet at Starbucks but its even dearer for one of them than a pint these days.

Just thinking - when my old man took ill and I used to take him to CP we used to take a blanket for over his knees and a flask of coffee. Wouldnt get the flask in now though

Gordon J

i`m def not in your wee clique :¬)

jinkysboy
Yes-will have another beer to celebrate.
Also more time to spend on the important thing –CELTIC.
Big debate going on -radio Scotland about referee -strange how things turn round.
Bob

GordonJ

thinking on (outside the box is the term)

I had the TV on today and there was a sitcom from the US I had never ever seen before. It had 3 guys and 3 lassies who were pals. Cant remember the name - think it was supposed to be funny - I only found the Italian Bhoy Joseph funny.

Anyway - Im waffling here - they went for a Coffee in a place called Central Perk - get it - like Central Park only the coffee perks you up (its either that or its a central place to perk your erchie). Im sharp today.

So howsabout we start a wee place near the ground called CELTIC PERK for all the teetotal CSCs to meet and greet.

Im sure I saw a phone box on the corner of Springfield road

If successful we could start a franchise throughout the land

Suggestions for names on a postcard but no cut in the royalties as it between me, GordonJ and GirdonS (Wonder if he would let us use that wee plastic wendy house he sits in with his alky pals GP and NL)

The Expressos

The CoffeeQuickNiche

Estadio Nacional

pedant CSC

it does have an eexxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx in it

Estadio Nacional

Mrs Jinks calls me Expresso - and I never drink that stuff either.........

If you ever meet me and GordonJ you will know it defo will not be the Skinny Lattes.

The Macho Mochas maybe

or the Cappuccino Quiet Nobbens (Sp)

E N

it should say doesn`t

how i miss the wee rubbish bin

particularly when i type utter Gladys Knight

Vmhan, answer yir phone wull yeh ???

Am aff oot !

jb, you know it makes sense !!!

All the more for us tae drink :o)))

pablophanque

pablophanque

This will no doubt be seen as trying to be a controversialist but here goes. After the British, for long periods of time the Irish's next big problem was the Vatican.

The Early Christian Irish 'Celtic' church had an ambivalent attitude to Rome and remained semi detached until St. Malachys 12th century Irish church reforms brought it closer to Rome just before the Normans arrived in Ireland. However, under the Normans (only a generation after Malachys reform) the native Irish were alienated by being treated abysmally by the church and papacy in the full medieval era. Everyone knows that the pope backed the Williamites at the Boyne. What is less well known is that the pope and the Irish bishops declared it not to be a sin for the Anglo-Normans in Ireland to kill a native Gaelic Irishman and gave them blessing to conquer the country. The Irish church other than some Friarys came largely under the control of Anglo-Norman bishops and abbots. The Irish pretty well were alienated from the church in the full Medieval period.

Its actually arguable that the Irish were ripe to become Protestants given their treatment by the Catholic church hierarchy in Ireland (backed by the papacy). However, crucially, counter-reformation movement and a fluke of history meant that Protestantism became associated with the new Elizabethan oppressors and Catholicism made a surprise return to favour as a badge of nationality among the natives in the late 16th century. This intensified in the 17th century where for the first time Catholicism rather than Gaelic bloodline became the mark of an Irishman, thereby including the old Normans and Catholics of English descent as Irish. This sectarian (in the broad non-loaded meaning of the word) definition persisted into the 20th century and was surprisingly prevalent among the republicans of the period (see recent academic classic 'Irish Freedom' by English).

It should never be forgotten than and the Irish strong affection for Rome only dates from the late 16th and especially the 17th century.

Paul 67- please dont suddenly start a new thread and make it the last post!! I have been cursed by that oblivion so many times :0p

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jinkysboy....

The Eyes Are Mucho Bettero....Today is the First day l have Woke Up and it hasn't Taken 30Mins to be Able to See Properly....

Then Again Since l don't Sleep....l Don't Wake Up Every Morning Soo Em Eh....Aw You Know What l Mean....

o1bhoy

PFAyr

Typical alky

You dont want to be in the gang - ooops - clique, but you want to slag off our spelling and we havent even got a name yet.

next you will be telling us we can only use brown sugar - and even then sparingly.

PF Ayr

You realy need to check things before you type, shocking posting there. I miss the wee bins also.

The spelling this time was for you, and the link to CelticQuickNews.

In my defence, the original posting was in an after goal rush to type that Espresso was the reason the team had woken up.

o1bhoy

mibees thats the problem with your lamps

They need a bit more shut eye.

I suffer the same problems with my mouth - cos I cannae give it a rest either.

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Jinkster....

I Think Mrs Jinksters Exspesso.... is for Something Else....;o))))

o1bhoy

Central Perk - miles from Central Park anyway. I love Greenwich Village!

Good idea though/ We have Celtic pubs so why not a Celtic coffee house?

CelticQuickCoffee
Celtic Grounds
Green, White and Coffee
Double Double

o1bhoy

I cannae boil an egg any quicker than embdy else so what else could it be !!!!!

E N

touche

pablo.........................I canny answer the phone ....fur it's in work and i'm naw.....

ye can email me .

vman

GordonJ

I believe that every million dollar idea has its roots in a simple comment. Now we have had a eureka moment we need to patent this idea before DD jumps in and steals it way from us (or worse still Minty)

Only problem is we will get targetted by TFOD and maybe the Alky boys will be jealous of the highbrow clique we form.

2-0 scousers Final score

Vmhan

Vmhan

Vmhan

See mate - pickled brain leaving your phone in work now.

Come and join the Coffee Club.

tmfgkw

Another ingenious argument but flawed by some broad brush assumptions

"The Irish pretty well were alienated from the church in the full Medieval period."

- The records are pretty sparse here and some historical "reaching" is going on. It's a bit like the amount of research attributing homosexuality to 99% of the major figures in history in that it reflects more the prejudices of those advancing the assertion than it does to any characteristics of their subject.

"the Irish were ripe to become Protestants" & "the Irish strong affection for Rome only dates from the late 16th and especially the 17th century."

- The loyalty to Rome was tested and seemed to survive even more formidable challenges from earlier times e.g over a married priesthood (which the Celtic churches allowed) so why would this period be more of a challenge?

I'm afraid it is a bit of a controversialist thesis. Ingenious mind, but like your assertions re the greater tendency to racism in the rural Irish, ultimately unconvincing for me.

jinkysboy,

A long time ago I sat in Starbucks in Philly long before there were any over here. I clearly remember saying that someone should bring the franchise to the UK. If only I had done something about it I might have been a millionaire by now ...

I should have made my first post here an encouraging one for Estadio's adventure. On the strength of your previous writing, I am quite happy to order an advance copy of the book/DVD etc; so long as it costs less than the Opus.

Can I have a signed copy?

The Slabbery woman's signature, obviously :-)

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Jinkster....

Re; Villareal....Got News Yesterday....

A Said "l Wanna to Go to Parkhead"....They Said.... "NO....NO...NO...."

A Said " I Wanna See The Celtic Play"....They Said...."NO....NO....NO...."

So l Emailed Them Back Hoping their Next Sh*t is a HedgeHog

o1bhoy

GordonJ

So how will you feel when one day a wee lassie with a Celtic top serves you an Amercano in a cup with a Celtic Crested Coffee Collar and as I walk in she says "afternoon boss oh and you too Mr Strachan"

Bloke_109 at 1.55pm

You should be able to save the three documents as PDFs.

Word & PowerPoint have a tab (top right) Adobe PDF, this will convert them.

Photoshop has a facility to 'Save as PDF', just do a final 'save' of the document then 'Save as' and choose Adobe PDF.

Hope this helps.

Estadio,

Did you win the Lottery?:-) Brilliant idea, hope everything goes well.

Are you up for a 'Leaving Swally'? If yes, let us know. I might even leave Bar 67 and head over to Sharkeys or round to the Whistlin Kirk.

sftb

less than Opus - that leaves a lot of commercial scope

o1bhoy

are you negotiating with Amy Winehouse there. Just wave a wee bag of sugar under her nose and she will give you what you want.

Dissapointing news for us though as it would have been good to meet then man behind the moniker

Jinkysboy

can you email pablo's no. please?

ta much amigo

vmhan

Celtic coffee - the flavours:

The Holy G-Au Lait

Neil Mocha-n

I originally came on to post a Broadfootism from today's Herald. A wonderful example of taking sycophancy to a level of sphincter invisibility.

"Smith refused to become embroiled in a public sparring match with the refereeing fraternity after his criticism of Tom Murphy, the linesman who erroneously flagged Boyd for offside against Motherwell. Kenny Clark, the retired referee who now operates as a tabloid columnist, accused Smith of making Murphy a scapegoat for his own team's failings.

The Scottish FA are likely to ask Smith to explain his self-explanatory comments but the manager was unwilling to respond to Clark's claims."

The above was shoehorned into an article on the poor form of Kyle Lafferty.

In his favour, Dawyll does come out in defence of James McCarthy elsewhere in the paper and nails a few of the myths about the background to his selection by ROI.

If only he'd had the guts to give similar prominence to this view when the storm was raging round young James. Better late than never, though!

Incidentally, he revealed that the interest and care taken by ROI staff toward James has led some other young Accies youngsters to declare for the ROI too. The same pressures, whereby SFA staff show little interest in young talent from less fashionable clubs, to the extent that they do not communicate with club coaches and management when they take players away for training, is leading the Accies management to comment unfavourably on the respective attitudes of Scotland and ROI.

Do you still feel that young players making their way in the game, should wait and wait on the off chance that Scotland might come calling when they are 29 or 30, TMFGKW?

Estadio

Fantastic idea. As author (i think!) to some great articles on e-tims, i think that whatever you produce will do the club justice. Trips to all 4 corners of the globe i imagine will be on the agenda.

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Estadio....

Great News....Great Idea....

As Someone Who Travelled for 16yrs Even Wearing a Tiny Celtic Badge....Never Mind the Hoops....Got Me Access All Areas.... At Times....

I Am Sure You Sir and Your Good Lady (SW) Will Be Met With Pleasure to All Concerned....

I Will email You Midweek....Hail Hail

o1bhoy

Estadio

Good luck with your wonderful endeavour!

I look forward to seeing you in Japan.

tbdJ

Vmhan

Just mailed you Pablos number

Captain Unbookable strikes again - kicks Saints defender to yhe ground then makes himself scarce

I would support a CQN Coffee franchise if it started in the stadium 'food' outlets and offered decent food to go with the coffee.

My healthy eating during the week regime hit a stumbling block the other week when I went straight from work to Celtic park in a pre match rush without dinner.

Thought 'I'll grab something at the game' not one thing available that was not junk food.

Forced to have a double pie dinner.

Kris Boyd puts them one up against the Buds.

Estadio

I would grant CFC a franchise in each of the 4 stands at the ground. We would sell healthy sarnies too as well as macaroon bars and rolls and square sausages for the lanarkshire bhoys.

Pepperami will also be on sale but Im not so sure about Eggs benedict as I dont reckon the market is there.

Im pushing for some sit in places there too if the club can accomodate as some discerning fans may enjoy a comfy seat while watching the EPL game on our plasma pre match.

Sorry to hear about the lapse midweek - the indigestion will stay with you a while as a reminder to behave

That lad Boyd should be getting a game for his national team.

BTW in the Rebel Song video earlier Sulky didnt even attempt to sing his national anthem.

Steven Davis puts them 2-0. C'mon the wee McGinn lad :-)

St Mirren have to score 3 now (2 for a point will do)

Arsenal v Villa on that link someone posted the other night if anyone interested.

Better get over to my maws now or they will be bailing out of Greyskull before I even get there.

Plan B Sings into action

Swings

Cadizzy

Optimism indeed - will give you 100-1 that the bears dont slip up now but you would probly get better odds at Paddy Power

darnel off to a flyer in their local derby

jinkysbhoy, very mock optimism. I think St Mirren may have to score about 6 to get anything from this game. Have they scored that many in the season so far?

penalty for Villa...saved

Setting free..

The Medieval church and the Irish alientation observation is not speculation. I have actually done a degree that included this subject. There is plenty of evidence in the form of the abandonment of most monasteries outside the Pale/lack of native Irish chiefs sponsoring new foundations in this period which sharply contrasts to their later sponsoring of the Friaries who were seen as a sort of maverick from the church hierarchy and a successor of the native church (albeit this was perception only). The native Irish chiefs seem to have been alienated from and rejected the Episcopal and also the mainstream monastic movements due to the fact they were excluded from the main posts in them and they were controlled by the Normans who as I said were given the red light to destroy the natives.

Re: the Fascism in the rural Irish. Your words not mine. I would never use a term like that which is loaded and ill defined. I was talking about an element of uneducated ignorance and casual racism at a remove (there are often almost no local 'ethnics' to target) not some sort of creed. I have a right to an opinion on this seeing as, unlike many Scots tims with a strong opinion on Ireland, I actually spent half a lifetime there. I feel that because they have been victims the Irish are seen as above criticism while Scots every flaw is under the microscope. That uneven analysis leads to a tribal stance not a universal truth.

cadizzy

Im hoping TFOD get all the breaks today and pile on the agony for teh Buddies. use all their luck up when it doesnt matter and demoralise our next opponents for us too.

A bit disconcerting watching this Arsenal game with Soccer Saturday on at same time. I am watching the guy place the ball on the spot just as Phil Thompson is shouting "Save" See this 8 second delay!

Jinksybhoy.

Back to the drinking theme again but I like your point about lounging about the stadium.

I went to Sunderland v Liverpool first game of the season we got there far too early, mate was dying for a pint, I was driving and wanted to get to the game.

Went in over an hour before kick off and stood inside one of the many ordinary punters bars on the concourses, watched Soccer Saturday, had a few drinks and had 'food'.

There were loads of people doing the same, basically it was the pre match meeting place for a lot of supporters.

Must be a decent earner for EPL teams.

A solution to the BBs/London Road Club/Coffee/Drinkers issues.

The CQN Lounge CSC

sftb

Broadfoot is just covering his own back re McCarthy ...lest he be accused of ignoring the story

his performance on Synde laid his true (blue) colours for all to see

the big footballing story was Wattie infering that a linesman who has a catholic sounding name is pro Celtic and anti Huns

his obfuscation on the issue is lamentable ...but none the less expected

Wattie should be carpeted ...however i beleive that he will done more harm than good ....they get more favours than us ...if the powers that be do nothing to Wattie then i`m sure WGS/Levein /McGhee et al will not miss the opportunity should it arise ...ie to call into question the many decisions that the huns receive

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Winning Gemmell....

Estadio was asking What Bus Takes Him and His Good Lady tae Whishy....Looks Like The Teser is Destination A.

In the Celtic World Tour Series....

o1bhoy

Estadio,

Just sent you an email !

Hail Hail

o1bhoy -

any bus, all roads lead to the centre of the universe

Generation Game Latest :

Bairns 1 Mothers o

;-)

WengerGuy

The mighty are missing some chances against the arse

Lee

Battle of The Hams Latest:

Ful 1 Totten 0

:-)

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Looks Like Big Feck will be back for Bobo in Jan 2-1 down after Leading....

o1bhoy

Leithers 0 Fleecers 1

tmfgkw

Re The Church's alienation from Rome- You are overlooking my main point. I did not disagree that there has been waxing and waning in terms of church loyalty. I asked you why, at that particular time, they would have abandoned the church when they stuck with it at an earlier time when they faced a greater challenge, the removal of the right for priests to marry. The evidence that the Irish were close to abandoning the RC religion is weak and stretching. Degree study or no, it remains a controversial and minority viewpoint that the Irish were ever close to becoming a Protestant nation.

As for "Re: the Fascism in the rural Irish. Your words not mine. I would never use a term like that which is loaded and ill defined. I was talking about an element of uneducated ignorance and casual racism at a remove (there are often almost no local 'ethnics' to target) not some sort of creed."

Read my post again. I posted racism, not fascism. You admit you said it.

Now as for your "half a lifetime" spent in Ireland defense, well, the argument can be trumped by an Irishman who has never left the Island. No, I'm afraid it is evidence, not longevity of residence which will win the argument. No-one is seeking to deny your right to an opinion. I was presenting views to the contrary.

Do not assume that the person you are talking to, whether it's me or the CQN board in general are ignorant of Ireland or strangers to its shores. The evidence presented might undermine your belief.

Sunderland 1 down at Blackburn

Sunderland , despite spendind a kings ransom , are not very good

and to think of the clamour on here , by some , to have Keano as our manager

he could be available for work very soon ...

Boak 2 Stoke 0

o1bhoy, given Bobo's lack of match practice and match fitness, and his age perhaps as well now, I wonder how long it would take for him to get to the required level to be able to play effectively. There must be a limit to the length of time an older player can be out not playing but still recapture top form......I hope you're right though.

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In The Rugger....

Scotland 10-11 Sud Africa after 60 Mins....

o1bhoy

cadizzy

you make a very good point re bobo

if he is really loooking after his own interests he will go out on loan , at least , in the next transfer window

Wg

The Spurs GK makes a total James Hunt of the Fulham Goal

PF ayr, coincidentally there was an article in the Times yesterday about Keane. The gist of it was that even two months ago, Keane was in an unassailable position but that after the League Cup loss to Blackburn, some fans on phone ins (I know...phone ins!) were calling for him to be sacked. £80m was his spend figure quoted in the article.

St Mirren keeping Rangers in their sights and keeping their powder dry until the second half.

PFayr.

Did you bet the green and white hooped Simarian at Chetenham today.

We should try and organise a sydicate for next Saturdays Scoop Six,if we could get enough to have a few multi-bets it would be worth a go.

Jackpot could reach £3.000.000 next week.

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Cadizzy....

You Are Right Mate....l just think his Situation has became Quite Sad....I Would love the Big Man to go Down South and Kick some Ass....What age is He Now....????

o1bhoy

PF ayr....

How is the Coupon Going....???? I'm Off the Pint & Punt....For Now....so l need to shout for somebody else....

Jeff Stelling has just mentioned Kenny Deuchar. Is he actually still playing football?

o1bhoy Bobo must be 32 or 33. I think

Deuchar is playing in the USA, couldnt handle the glamour of Wishae General .

OT
no

i committed betting shop suicide today had a double on

ist was joe lively

2nd was originally ice tea ..changed to killard point

joe lively won @4-1

killard point was 3rd ...with ..you`ve guessed it ice tea winning @ 8-1

tenner double ...as they say ...you do the math ...pee`d right of here

o1bhoy

line is so so

however Aussie humping their colonial masters at rugby 28 --14

10 left

Arthur -

good

Cadizzy

He's playing in the US with Salt Lake City (Joe Smith's 11).

Think they may be in a final or semi-final of a US competition.

EN -

there's only one

WishyGeneral, Dick Collins

just popped in to say that KTF are reporting that Celtic's away fans are being targeted
by Lanarkshires finest boys in blue tomorrow, for any singing of sectarian songs.

given they don't know the meaning, then please be careful all travelling tims.

Wg

Are you watching the Goons?

Its on Deuchar Tv

Arthur -

naw, BBC updates

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Miller Lite goes Past the Goalie and Puts it OVER The BAR....

o1bhoy

Estadio N/SFTB

Cheers. Now you mention it. I think I remember the news that Wishae General were a doctor short.

St Mirren lulling Rangers into a false sense of security....their powder must be very dry indeed by now

From the BBC

1609: Kenny Miller misses an absolute sitter at Ibrox! After speeding past goalkeeper Mark Howard, the Scotland international contrives to blaze over the bar when it looked easier to score.

saint stivs fp
Is this the translation you were looking for the other day.
Bob
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Or%C3%B3_S%C3%A9_do_Bheatha_'Bhaile

Awe_Naw -

1609 , is that a numbergram ?

Heres a bet.

Gordon Chisholm to be next Hibs manager, and soon. 0-2 to Eberdeen.

Awe Naw

Nice time

bourne

that would be the same law enforcers who listened to young McCarthy being sectarianly and racially abused by huns and paisley huns in succesive games

no doubt these very same dim wits will consider any Irish song to be illegal

let the huns bring the matter to the press attention and we`ll show we are serious by lifting all the dreadful Celtic bigots ....a support lauded all over the world except in their own country

a sorry state of affairs

WG its on ustream.tv/channel/hazem77 in arabic with adverts for iraqgoals.com. I haven't actually posted the link so I haven't broken the rules,have I?

Boak 3 Stoke 0

Mr Estadio,

A truly marvelous project. I must though emphasize the importance that you contain the thoughts and perspectives of the much maligned bearded warriors that make up a large percentage of the family. Without their inclusion I dare to suggest that your escapades will be fruitless. Listen to the beards Estadio, if you do your project will become the wonder of celtic supporters everywhere, good luck to you and your wummin in your quest.

Themanfrom- re above, was this during the time of the English pope, perchance?

game over
England stuffed 28-14 by Aus

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Which Player Scored 8 Goals 2x Hatricks 1x Double in 3 Games @ Parkhead in Late 60s....Has a Daughter Who Was Born The Day We Won The Cup in 67....

o1bhoy

LOL - I never even noticed !!! Been gone too long

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Cadizzy....

Big Feck Winning 3-2 Now....

o1

PF

indeed.

a classic case of locking the stable door after the horse has bolted

much to the estalishments pleasure of course.

Cadizzy -

VisionOn

^O-O^

Cardizzy

Bit of a flat game.

Adebayor to come on and score the winner.

o1bhoy...and Bobo puts his slippers back on

Black Buns 1 Black Cats 1

Just had a compliment from CFC today.

Their querying my Senior Citizen Status.
My erse hasn't been on the seat for about four games,There must be some youngster sitting in my seat when I'm not at the games.
I've to take in my Passport or Birth Certificate as proof of Identity.
Has this happened to anyone else,If I don't get a suitable explanation,their of my Christmas List.

1619: Kenny Miller is denied by the brilliant Mark Howard in the St Mirren goal. Miller shakes his head ruefully. I don't know what he's got to do to score today.

10 minutes later :-) :-) :-)

oldtim -

oor Aidan has to do the same

WG

Estadio Nacional, I agree. Picture quality doesn't help and the commentator may as well be talking in a foreign language.

Owen Coyle

doing well with the Clarets

Awe naw what a difference 10 minutes makes 19.16

1 nil the mighty villa

Shock Horror !

Has Tam Cowan becoming mildly amusing ???

Walter Smith can't talk about bad decisions...he bought Kyle Lafferty

Nov 15 2008 Tam Cowan

CAN'T say I was surprised to hear Walter Smith complaining about refereeing decisions going against Rangers.

After all my old grandpa's memory also started to desert him when he hit Walter's age, so I know exactly what the Ibrox gaffer is going through.

My view on the offside flag that halted big Kris Boyd?

Well, having watched every kick of the ball from my seat in the Phil O'Donnell Stand at Fir Park, I really don't think Walter - the man who forked out £3million for Kyle Lafferty - is in any position to lecture linesman Tom Murphy on bad decisions.

Murphy had already been getting it in the neck from the two baldy guys in the Rangers dug-out (Messrs McDowall and McCoist) before Smith raced down from the directors' box to offer his tuppence worth.

Iwould normally be able to make out every word from my seat just above the technical area, but I couldn't hear a dicky bird on Wednesday night thanks to the Rangers fans at both ends of the ground who clearly missed UEFA'slatest newsletter.

As Jim Royle might say: "Just a minority my arse!"

To be honest, the match officials didn't have a great game the other night (how none of them noticed big Bougherra sarcastically applauding the ref seconds after he was booked I'll never know) but to hear the manager of Rangers going bananas about a borderline offside decision at Fir Park is, quite frankly, embarrassing.

Okay, considering Motherwell lasted longer in Europe than Rangers this season, I suppose we should maybe look back on the midweek result as two points dropped.

But let's face it, Motherwell shouldn't even be able to compete with Rangers (or, indeed, Celtic) and, after losing 2-0 at Parkhead last week to an injury-hit, absolutely knackered Celtic team that had just been run ragged by Man Utd, I was up for calling an immediate halt to the SPL.

As a so-called competition, Scotland's top flight is a dead duck.

The Old Firm have shared the trophy between them for the past 25 years and, even if I live to be as old as Hugh Keevins, I still don't think I'll witness a club outside Glasgow being crowned champions.

While I can totally understand Jim Jefferies' point about dropping players for the midweek trip to Parkhead, it's an utterly depressing state of affairs when the Kilmarnock boss accepts all they're going to get there is hee-haw Barney McGraw.

And what about the BBC commentator I heard last Saturday?

Sure, Dundee United are in fine form right now, but to describe them as the "main challengers" to Celtic and Rangers this season is bonkers.

It's a lovely thought but, yet again, I'm afraid the Old Firm won't have any challengers this season.

Nope, Celtic and Rangers are streets ahead - as you'd expect given their superior resources - and there appears to be no way of clawing the pair of them back.

Unless, as one of my fellow Motherwell fans suggested last night, they both offer some sort of jobsharing management position to Maurice Malpas.

Villa 1 up !

whose bright idea......

GO GO GUNNERS

Watching Arsenal Villa. Villa making Arsenal look very ordinary. Villa 1 up but t should be 3.

WG
Please accept my apologies....Vision off?

Wg

Is that a cliche?

Sunderland ahead - maybe Keane isn't such a bad manager after all ...

OT

despite sending in a copy of my sons passport at the start of the season i had to provide proof of his age

with the number of others asked i think they have lost all the info re the concession tickets

their letter was quite curt ...it received a similar curt rsponse

o1bhoy

line down the stank

pool won 2-0

brum up 3-2

derby up3-0

wolves up 2-1

spurs down 2-0

looks like another 4 from5 day

when that is considered alongside my faux pas with my horse line (see earlier post)

no fun in the cream cookies the day

A couple of managers to look out for.

Owen Coyle.

Martin O'Neil.

One will end up at Celtic .
The other at Man U .

Boys 1 Men 2 (Djibril Cisse)

Black cats back

Ince GIRUY

Cadizzy -

let it run, see how the inconsistents pan out

I've just spotted the lesser spotted Petrov!

setting free..
We seem to be tuned in to slightly different wavelengths when reading each others posts :0) The bit I meant was very solid was the data for the mainstream Catholic church being weak and unpopular in Medieval Gaelic Ireland. The bit about the Irish being ripe for Protestantism is just a speculative personal what-if opinion based on what went before. I personally think it could have gone either way, as is the case for several countries, and its mainly down to chance twists and turns.

I wasn’t referring to you when I mentioned those that comment on Ireland based on little knowledge (other than self-selected reading/contact - which can lead to a one sided view) of it but you would admit that many exist that tend through romantic ancestral attachment to assume that all ills are in Scotland and have a golden image of Ireland when in fact there were also many bad trends in Irish society.

Anyway let’s not fall out. Vive la difference.

Cardizzy

Thats the best pic Ive had for one of these things, good quality even on full screen.

SoP

Cadizzy

Hope he is in Girdwoods with Nafos

1629: Kenny Miller hits the bar from inside the six-yard box from Kirk Broadfoot's low cross. That must have been his 3,000 attempt on goal today.

He must feel like going home, forgetting about the game, putting the light out and watching Turner and Hooch on DVD.

Oh why is this so funny ??? LOL

Ful 2 Totten 0

:-)

St. Mirren pull one back
2-1

More Daily Rancid headlines;

....Prostitutes Appeal to Pope...

St Mirren score ...edgy last 10 for the hun.

Miranda for Saints. Come on!

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2-1 huns

Moranda gives 'Gers a warning: 2-1

The powder is wet

SOAL

come to think of it, there was somebody trying to kick him.

Winningemmell.

Are they querying if he's a youth or an adult,why should they have to query it.
When you go in with your ID it should go down in the Computer,They should be able to get the infomation from the computer that your son will be eighteen in two years time.
In my case I'm certainly not going to get any younger.

Are you coming in with A,if so,we could arrange a date and time.and have a meet up.

Gordon J

as i posted i knew that they would get something from the game

however one victory doesn`t change much ...Sundrland are very poor ...unless you read league table upside down

St Mirren ...score 2-1 hun

come on

Squeaky bum time

Go on the saints

Arsenal 2 nil down

WengermustGo

Why does Wenger decide to play 1 up front at home?

And why does that 1 have to be Bedtner?

Shocking stuff from the Gooners!!!

Oldtim. I`ve to take my bhoy's passport to prove he's under 12. No real eh!

Jamiebhoy

Demand A Miranda

PF ayr,

Agree that Sunderland aren't great - but I think they will stay up.

oldtim -

they must be checking all the concessionaires

WishyGooner^

Keep getting my Agbonlahor and Adebayor's mixed up.

Ooo Ah Up Mira

spurs goal 2-1 down

the only one letting me down come on

According to Jeff Stelling MON has never beaten Arsenal before in his managerial career.

Looks like Lee McCulloch is playing centre half for the southsiders. Is this a clue that Bougherra will be sold or is he injured?

Rangers INS Alan Combe £700,000 Alan Hutton £4.5M Mark Reynolds £2M Gennaro Gattuso £2M Rangers OUTS Brahim Hemdani FREE Jean Claude Darcheville £1M Charlie Adam £2M Chris Burke £1.7M Nacho Novo £1M David Weir RETIRING Christian Daily FREE Madjid Bougherra £3M Allan McGregor £4M Next season will be Walter Smiths last as manager, he will be heading upstairs at Ibrox. Taking over will be Craig Levein. No1 Gers News

Just thought I would give you a good laugh!

Unbelievable! BBC Scotland now 'trying' Linesman Murphy. Guilty of course.

bostonbhoy

i was reading your posts with interested

until i came across the suggestion that the hun would get £2m for Fat Adam

Oldtim

Take along your telegram from Liz

That will do it

http://www.theherald.co.uk/sport/headlines/display.var.2468247.0.Brotherly_love_is_key_to_Caldwells_continued_ascent.php

Mothers beaten may be the only smiler

Ah well..at least they didn't rack up a barrowload of goals.

pf ayr

thats why i posted it couldnae stop laughin

Sounds like TFOD nearly lost the full points today in the last ten minutes. If anybody with Fascist Fascist access reads any gems in the flurry of post-match threads, please feel free to post highlights here.

honkin huns hold on

Villa win by length of Gillespie Road :-(

Great result for Villa! Wenger should have played the midweek team.

tmfgkw

I try not to do fall outs but I do try to do accuracy.

I did not misread your prose or assume that it was directed at me. I just find 'plastic paddies' to be harder to find on this board than you may do.

I fully agree that people can romanticise attachments but they can do so to their own nation as often as they do to their ancestral home. I do not believe that criticism of the Scots nation's reaction to Irish immigration is a form of self loathing (your phrase, I think). I try to look at my land (Scotland, I needn't add) with as clear an eye as I can.

I have made a good life here and, if one of my sons had been good enough to play for Scotland, I would have been delighted. If one had been selected by ROI after being rejected by Scotland, I would have been delighted too and I would rail against the prejudice that accepts foreign born players for Scotland whilst spouting bile against Scottish born players who exercise similar freedom.

I agree with vive la difference and would add vive les similarites

Well done The Rams

Full time 2-1 hun. K Misser on hot form again missed a hat trick today.
Ref got booed off park for not giving them every decision.

17:59: Kenny Miller drops the soap gets scolded with hot water slips and looks to have tweaked his hamstring. Kris Boyd sniffs his armpits and declares he doesn´t need to shower before his night out on the tiles.

FT at the midden 2-1

spurs burst me for a double ton for a tenner

4 from 5 ..........AGAIN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

hibs 2 sheep 2 ...tango man can seek solace in the hun result though

Mixu P Defensive side 2 Calderwood's Defensive mix-up side 2

I see Burnley have drawn Arsenal in the League Cup. Very Villa-like strip!!

A Herald article today suggested Lafferty was likely to miss the match today because of a buttock strain.

I wonder if that's a common injury out Ibrox way :-)

Gordon J

McCulloch was at CB ...how bad must Dailly be when that goat can get in in front of him

doesn`t really say much for their strength in depth

hope he retains his place when we next play them

Awe naw

you don`t need a shower before getting into the clubs in Ayr

hells teeth they even let me in after an afternon oot

PF ayr you are being unfair to Dailly. Rumour has it that there are many Rangers players who often have a goat in front of them

PF ayr
I know the feeling. It was always that one result that beat my coupon.
I starting perming 5 from 6 and had a couple of wins even although less odds than an aci, it gives you a payout even with that one wrong result.
Then it was back to my losing ways,dont really give much to my bookie now.

SFTB

Where did he get his injury

in the showers or a team night out

PF ayr

It may have been caused by a journalist. That's how Wattie got his.

PF Ayr...
Chase your losses. That's what I'm doing just now. Spotted a nice looking 4 fold. Ipswich, Chelsea, Real Madrid and Barca. Madrid in particular look good value at 10/11. They're playing Valladolid who Barca stuck 6 past last week.

Hail Hail
Jamiebhoy

Lynott

It's a common feeling. A friend of mine was known by the nickname, Wandidmae, because he kept telling you that a single result had sent his coupon down.

sftb, ah right. got you now! At first, I thought you meant a buttock strain as in a new strain of buttock....some sort of mutation. After all, mutations are not unknown over there.

The title of the thread is 'Story of the fans'.

Here's one.

I am appalled at the policy of the Celtic Football Club board in the manner in which you have attacked the song traditions of Ireland. Allow me to point out that Irish song and the story it carries is not one of bigotry or hate, but one of survival, of a fight for freedom against tyranny of a fight against racialism and against bigoted legislators and despotic governments.

It’s a story of a people fleeing hunger and disease and of a people evicted from their homelands by ruthless landlords.

By banning or outlawing a song is morally wrong and really is just a cosmetic exercise to pacify bigots. It ignores the real problem, which lies at the heart of the society that feels a need of this oppressive action, sectarianism and racial discrimination are the main problem. Ask any Catholic who has sought a house or position of employment over the years and he will tell you about discrimination it is nothing to do with music or song which is just a reaction to the problem.

Study the music of the world and you will understand its beginnings its reasons and inspiration. Did America ban the music of the civil rights movement, which drew its energy from the suppressed black community there. What spawned the musical protests in South Africa that gave a voice and hope to a down trodden

victims of apartoid. Get rid of sectarianism and injustice in the society and the song is just a song it’s a harmless story. WHAT ARE THE REASONS WE REQUIRE TO BAN A SONG, DOES IT JUST HAVE TO BE IRISH. WILL WE GO AS FAR AS BANING THE FLOWER OF SCOTLAND OR SONGS ABOUT BONNIE PRINCE CHARLIE or the JACOBITES ARE THEY REBEL SONGS.

I think not, try it and you will meet with opposition. Will we ban Braveheart from the cinemas because William Wallace fought against the English is it a rebel movie.

I think you are treating your loyal supporters with less than respect and as immature brainless people who cannot make a decision for themselves, who don't care about the society they live in, who cannot make a choice as to what song to sing. Ask yourself the question, what were the origins of the great club Glasgow Celtic and I believe you will find all the answers.

Celtic have the best supporters in the world and their traditions history or ethnic background should not be insulted. Surely our supporters have the right of expression just as the national rugby supporters have the right to sing the flower of Scotland.

The policy you have now embarked upon is unjust and oppressive and if you study history it was counter productive in the past. There is a history of outlawing and banning songs and songsters against the Irish and the Scots , Yet there is more so called seditious music surviving from these traditions than from any other country in Europe.

Many harpers and bards were beheaded, many minstrels were exiled or imprisoned for carrying the story of their people. STILL THEIR MUSIC LIVES ON TO THIS DAY. These were the policies of power hungry oppressive governments who needed to suppress opposing opinions in order to maintain power.

Are these policies to persist into the 21st century are they not out dated. It is a shame upon a society that needs to suppress a song, the symptom of the problem while ignoring the cause. Why is it that the Irish song tradition is attacked as a problem, they are not sectarian or bigoted in words or expression but carry the story of the Irish peoples struggle against oppression, hunger and injustice. It’s the story of human misery and suffering of a fight against famine and disease and then a fight for freedom and human dignity.

This story has as much right to be told as the story of Scotland or any other land. Are we to ban the songs of the great heroes of Scotland like Rob Roy or the great highland chieftains, no, It would not be just and I would oppose it.

When England ruled Ireland she attacked the freedom of the press on many occasions across the centuries, they closed down newspapers who spoke out against them.

During the 1790's they closed the Northern Star in Belfast run by Samual Neilson a united Irishman and Presbyterian who tried to rid Ireland of religious division. The same happened in Dublin when they closed down a paper called the press the organ of a movement that was trying to bring the people of Ireland together and give equal justice to all regardless of religion. They fostered Orangism and bigotry in order to keep the people divided.

Pitt said that the Irish must not be allowed to unite because if they do we will lose Ireland. Sectarianism was encouraged and used to place a wedge between the people they feared the union of the PROTESTANT AND CATHOLIC and used orangism to ruthlessly put down the United men who had tried to develop a country where all religions could live with equality and peace. You see it was never in Irelands interest to be sectarian.

Then they banned the songs the singers when the music was the last means of expression left to the downtrodden people. They then banned the wearing of the colour green and tortured and persecuted the citizens until the united Irish movement was driven underground or to America.

Ireland and Scotland have so much in common and have had a intertwining history across the centuries. Scoti is the latin word for an Irishman and so derived the name of Scotland the land of the Irish. In the middle ages Ireland was known as Scotia major and Scotland as Scotia minor. Robert de Bruce and his brother Edward were very much aware of their Irish ancestry and fought with the Irish chieftains to win a united Irish kingdom. Colmcille from Donegal brought Christianity and learning to Alba now known as Scotland. The Irish brought a music language and a way of life with them, which we share as a common heritage to this very day. We are brothers and sisters of the same seed so why should there be bigotry or division. The only thing that can keep us apart is ignorance or fear or the policies of division that were pursued in the eighteenth century. The story should be heard and then it can be understood there is nothing to be feared in the story of Ireland or its song.

The Wolfe Tones have carried the story of Ireland to the world for 35 years and have been acclaimed and honoured in many countries. We have received the keys of Cities and were given many civic receptions, we have citations from assemblies and parliaments and are welcomed and sought after everywhere. We have played in almost every major concert hall in the world, from Carnegie hall N.Y. to the famous Paris Olympia, the Albert hall London to the Victoria hall Melbourne. Why is there a problem in Glasgow. Why are the Wolfe Tones and Irish song and music insulted and made a scape goat for what is a sectarian society. We love Glasgow and its people and only bear goodwill towards Celtic or our supporters.

My grand parents lived and worked in Glasgow. They returned to Ireland when my mother was four. Glasgow and Scotland are part of the folklore of the family. I have been a supporter of Celtic since I was a baby. I was often put to sleep or danced on my uncle's knee to Hail Hail. I am proud of my connection with Glasgow I am proud to be a Celtic supporter but it hurts to be a victim of racist or discriminatory policies. I composed songs referring to the great club and supporters, like My Heart is in Ireland and Celtic Symphony. We have brought an awareness of Celtic to our audience across the world and of course in Ireland which has assisted in popularising the club to a point that it now rivals Man U. in the hearts and minds of the Irish.

I hope that you will redress the awful injustice and rethink your policy concerning Irish SONG by all means speak out against sectarianism but don't include the WOLFE TONES as such. We have taken the name of a great Irish patriot a Protestant whose ideals sought to unite and rid the country of this evil. YOU can look through the words of a thousand Irish songs and find no referance of sectarianism in them. Thank you for giving me your time

With best regards

BRIAN WARFIELD

One for you Estadio.

sftb

a daily express article also today suggests lafferty is trying too hard too please

buttock injury, indeed.

SFTB if I were dyslexic, I might have addressed the last post to Fergus slayed the blues.Luckily I'm so thuch ning

Bournesouprecipe

http://www.goodhousekeeping.com/health/emotional/hard-to-please-may04

rangers 6 St Mirren 1

Well that's what I thought the score would be today to try and make up for their failings at Love St and Fir Park.

After bursting into a 2 goal lead inside 10 minutes do you think the gers fans would have left Matchbrox happy?

PF Ayr/Jamiebhoy

Id be wary of Real Madrid, injuries and not playing great.

Marseille
Lille
Valencia

My only surviving line today, none have played yet.

Lee McCulloch being interviewed just now: "I've been keeping myself fit at night as well as during the day."

lanarkcelt/sftb

buttock strain during team nights out then

wouldnae back Real Madrid in a fit

in the same category as Chelsea and almost as bad as the hun ...although no one could be that bad

ShanghaiHoops
"If anybody with Fascist Fascist access reads any gems in the flurry of post-match threads, please feel free to post highlights here."

The real maddies aren't back from the match yet so FF hasn't really got going. There are a few raging inmates though:

“We cant even run the clock down for two minutes against St Midden at home...... A f**kin Joke smith. F**kin go and go now. Or do we have to wait until the scum make it 4 in a row ? “

“We aint gonna win any league under this management set up,. Walter is a joke, McCoist is a joker, Durrant ??? what does Durrant do ?”

How desperate was this referee for St. Mirren to score another goal? This is becoming ridiculous!“

However the post of the day for me so far was in this thread: Question? How does your Wife/partner react to the time you spend on everything Rangers.

One bear posted:

I dont think my wife knew what football was before I met her. A Good Muslim lass(the proddie kind that is - Sunni) :)

SOAL

I quote from your link:-

"That's how it is for Deb, who became one of the first female vice presidents in her "good old boy" brokerage firm. Even she admits that "'no' is one of the hardest words to say. Sometimes I feel I have the word 'sucker' engraved in my forehead."

A bit ambiguous that as to how Deb got on in her profession.

can anyone explain how Killie managed to beat DU today ...no smart ...scoring more goals comment

Killie were woeful on Wed ..as bad as any team to come to CP in the league in years

Misser getting in the neck . Apparently he rounded keeper today and missed from 5 yards.
Kyle (hen broon) Lafferty not escaping critisism either,hes looking like one that we should be very thankful didnt end up at CP.

PF Ayr,

I guess Killie brought back all their star players after dropping them against us. You know, like, well, can't exactly name any star Killie players, but ...

a proddie kind of muslim

FFS ..they`re nothing if not consistent

Lynott67

I think we have to be fair to Lafferty. After all he did admit

"I'm not the new Laudrup!"

I guess they prefer Sonnis to shiites.

Estadio...

Agree to an extent, however they have won 7 and drawn 2 of their last 9 in league and Villadolid are pretty poor. It's the 10/11 bit that I went for. Decent value me thinks. Also, good luck on your tour. Remember your St Christophers!

Liam...

Good article. Thanks for posting.

Hail Hail
Jamiebhoy

Embdy know the result from Cappielow the other night and what was the Celtic team?

Pretty Bhoy Floyd

Very much appreciated. Always good for a chuckle.

EDB

0-0

sorry ...don`t have any info on the team

game will be on CTV next week

Cheers PF ayr.

Hope tomorrow is a trouble free day at Hamilton polis wise.

Lurgan53
I think we've been lucky with this one. He might improve but i was glad we didnt pay over 3 million for him.

One thing I did notice about Kille was their no 10 looked a bit lively against us on Weds. For me the result was typical of the SPL. DU on a good run but was only a matter of time till the bubble burst.

Hail Hail
Jamiebhoy

JAMIEBHOY

he needs an op ..Simmonds was on loan , i think , from Coventry

jamiebhoy

I'm sure Estadio Nacional is not married to the Slabbery Wummin!!!!!!!!

Mistaken identity I think.

Wonder if Estadio is going on tour using a Narrowboat.

Jamiebhoy

Just so as you know, there is a coterie on CQN whose favourite second team is Real Valladolid (it's a long story, linked to training for the priesthood).

A different prospect at home, my bhoy.

PF Ayr is correct in his comparison with Rangers with regard to the help Real Madrid get from referees, but they will not win 0-6 tonight. No fear.

Aúpa el Pucela.

Too many Estadio's fur me to keep up with!
Cheers Diego

Jamiebhoy.

EDB is correct.

I signed up here before I had seen a post by Estadio.

Im the one travelling around the world fixture list trying to recover a bookies account.

TSOAL
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For anyone who goes into KDS occasionally there's a thread running voting on the best freekick taker. Naka is currently in second place behind Del Piero.

Get your votes in for our Bhoy.

No surprise there are no huns in the list.

vinny_bhoy

just back in and starting to read the posts,if its pat who had an it company i know him from the vaults in hamilton...

first time i spoke to him i asked if he was a bluenose..not a good start...

Celtic First

Didn't know of the CQN RVSC. Like it though. I have never been a fan of R Madrid due to their Establsihment Team status and my fondness of Barca. Was simply having an interest bet as Mrs B is away to Mary Poppins at the Playhoose with the bhoy and ghirl leaving me to enjoy a TV footie fest!! No x factoring, stupid home video or dancing shows to diturb this Saturday night!!!

Hail Hail
Jamiebhoy

Blantyretim

Are there any bluenoses called Pat? I mean, if they can't even cope with the name Kevin …

Jamiebhoy

No bother.

We'll see how it goes. If you're watching on Rupert Murdoch vision, be careful not to look too often on CQN as we have means of knowing what happens in the match before they show it.

Jamiebhoy

That said, we have dinner guests, so I'm probably going to be limited to the first half.

Might even have to change my clothes here.

Jamiebhoy

The bookies papers were also tipping a Real Valladolid win, I was going to bet R. Madrid before I read that.

Draw

EDB

Cervi, Caddis, O'Dea Doumbe, Conroy, Millar, Mizuno, Hutchinson, McGowan all played in a poor 0-0.

Magoo

welcomes all to ML3 on the eve of our match against the accidentals

also friends - I have a wee interview on Monday morning - prayers and thoughts appreciated - and Winston Bergkamp Gemmell, one of those mega candles would be mega appreciated...

so a quiet day of Cv contemplation and positive phrasing rehearsal

and you can't say bugger

well you can just not at an interview...

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CSC

Celtic first

Yep, I`ve noticed your score updates b4. How far ahead are you and how do you manage it? Updating every 10 mins should cover it at my end!

Jamiebhoy

some finish by anelka.

Jamiebhoy

The magic is here:
www.rtve.es/radio/

Uly
The very best of luck on Monday. Knock them dead. Have you to sing as well as talk? If it's going badly, just go for the big finish with a show-stopper.

Seriously, all the best to you.

jamiebhoy

your night is as mine

although i`m watching the Ireland rugby for now

drinking bottles of stella

and warming up for the Haye fight @ 9

def no x factor celebrity come dancing survivor get me out of here on ice home video LILLIAN GISH for me :¬)

Estadio Nacional

Thanks for the info. Should have done better methinks given the names you mentioned. So Cervi and Doumbe are real!

Magoo

Very best wishes for Monday.

Cannae beat it PF. I had my tennants intake last night so it's chinese and chocolate for moi. Enjoy :-) Good shout re the boxing.

EN

were you at the game ??

also Doumbe ...EDB...Celtic`s answer to Daniel Prodan

has the game started ?

Jist fun oot..that Ah may possibly be, mebbe... a ....Lombard!

It wiz nip in tuck fur a wee while, that mebbe... no in fact,Ah could be a decendant o' wan of the East Anglian.. well.. Angles.

But, na.. That wiz ruled oot oan further investigation by the resident Family Tree-er.

The only trouble o bein a Lombardi..or.. a.. Lombardo..Hey~ Ah like that~

The only trouble wi bein'a Lombardo,is that there are sae few o us left.

Howevahhhhhhh.. when ye think aboot it.. in a coupla Thousand Years.. thur wullnae be any, Irish left, eether..

Makes ye think?

Mebbe no you.. but,it sure maks me think... thinkin', is whit Ah dae,maist o the time.. whenevevah Ah am awake,that is.

Sum Ergo Cogito

Whit it this Roots, business, awe aboot, anyway?

Sum Ergo Cogito.

Kojo

Ireland getting stiffened 22-3...and still 30 mins to go :¬(

KOJO

LOMBARD

Loads
Of
Money
But
A
Right
D............

sorry it`s an old rugby joke

PF ayr

More like Celtic's version of David McCallum:o) That will have stumped the young hauns.

Oldtim67

If you remove the ticket office staff from your Christmas list I'll be a very willing recipient of the "cargo" presently destined for them.

Yer pal ........... who likes ye.

WDH

smokes salmon bellinis ....

with a shiraz bonarda ....goes surprisingly well

Hail Hail fellow Celts,

Long time lurker...etc. Decided to take the plunge..

Paul 67, love the site, can't get by without my daily fix now.

PF Ayr @ 6:24PM, looking forward to the Haye fight too, don't blink or you'll miss it. think it's scheduled to start about 11 - 11.15 though.

Would like to join all the other posters in sending their best wishes to Kano - have always enjoyed the passion for our club that shines through in his posts, even if I don't agree with his viewpoint on occasion.

Cheers for now
HB

celtic_first

didn't know his name,but he stood with the bluenose 2 in the vaults...

don't know any hun pats... :)))

Celtic_First on November 15, 2008 5:53 PM

Aye as the saying goes "You can take the bhoy out of Valladolid....."

blantyretim November 15, 2008 6:53 PM

If there are any hun Pat's I bet he was the best fighter at school!!!

magooo
good luck on monday...

willie mcstay said that morton played their 1st team against the reserves, took the bhoys about 20 mins to get to grips but they did very well after that.

Once A Bhoy

I remember being at a cup game with your brother and he fell asleep.

As you know, football isn't his first love and he was only there for the craic. Also, I can exclusively reveal that he drank brandy in the stadium.

Pollokshaws, watch out.

Just read on another site that the police intend to go in heavy tomorrow and make arrests
if any sectarian singing is heard.
Anyone one heard anything about it?

PF ayr

20 marlboro a pizza and oddbins finest 3 for 2 pinot grigio

Cambuslang Class.

i must apologise for using the h word....

wdh

nannamania from flames and a few glasses of red....

Anyone know anything about this?

(1st attempt at link thingy, so bear with me)

Police To Target Celtic Fans At New Douglas Park

blantyretim

out of my league.....

Lynott67

only what you have heard

no need to worry

the criminal bar in Hamilton is stocked full of Celtic men

the bhoys will be well represented should the polis start any of their criac

personally i think it is outrageous that they could even contemplate a heavy handed approach against us when the huns continue to act in their own particularly bigoted fashion

their behaviour at Hamilton on their last visit was disgraceful ..yet the polis chose to flex their muscle against us .............would be interesting to read the explanation for the change in stance

also their perception of what may amount to a sectarian song is questionable

Celtic_First on November 15, 2008 6:58 PM

He's even converted me to Pacharan (excuse the spelling).

It is quite embarrassing that in a family of 7 bhoys, he was the first to win a football medal, and he hates football. Laingbank early years. He was hard as nails mind you.

i thing we could call in a civil rights lawyer if any arrests are made..

police complaints authority would be very busy....
one scotland ha ha ha

Once A Bhoy

Pacharan is correct in Castilian, or Pacharán if you absolutely insist, so you're fine.

It's only in the original Basque that you get Patxarán.

Curiously, I found the best part of a whole bottle in a special wee cupboard on Tuesday and haven't touched it, waiting for tonight.

All the best to big JJ.

i think i don't thing :¬)))

I think it is fair to say that one can argue the case for all sides on the songs debate.

I for one do not want to start it all up again.
However, I think if the info re: Lanarkshire police is to be trusted, we(Celtic) are getting set up to be the ones who take the fall.

I said the other week on here that Celtic supporters will the first to be arrested for offensive singing.
then all the hoohah about TRS will be allowed to die away.
Game Over.

Watch yourselves tomorrow, Bhoys.

PF Ayr

Wasnt at the game, that was all the info I had, glad you asked 'were you at the game'

Reminded me of years ago when there used to be Scottish football phone ins.

Pizza and vino, must be a G72 thing.

PF ayr

If they do wade in tomorrow, which I doubt, the backlash would be horrendous. How could they justify letting the racist club get away with their illegal behaviour.

Bring it on and get it all out in the open.

If they behave in their normal manner in their own midden at the next Derby game then we must ban them from Celtic Park until they change their ways. Put them under UEFA scrutiny and see if they (UEFA) have the guts to hammer the racists.

blantyretim

don't be so harsh on yirself

I've heard you thing and your not that bad

blantyretim

no need for a human rights lawyer if the arrests are simply unfounded as breachs of the relevant legislation

imo ...the singing of political irish songs would not contravene said legislation

On the other hand,
If there were to be arrests, and subsequent examination of the actual content of the songs was found NOT to be sectarian or racist...
Anyone know a smart civil rights lawyer?

PFAyr :- I think you are letting your home town bias show a little :-) As far as I know (from anecdotes) Kilmarnock didn't put out their strongest team against Celtic as they reckoned that they would be humped anyway. When it came to todays game they were at home, they were playing the type of team they should be looking to take three points from at home. I think outside our own clubs it's hard to find one team that is consistent in being bettert han the others.

CelticFirst :- There is a least one, a bloke that lived across the road from my Dad was called Pat McNamara and he was a bluenose.
As far as players go I can't think on any from the top of my head, probably the two most Irish players we have had are A. O'Hara and M. O'Johnston

cheers pf ayr

just tinking out loud, you know more than i do on the subject...

wdh
my tinking is now as good as my thining....:)))))

RRC

in your circs ...why would you want any lawyer

the accused would be acquitted ....unfortunately legitimate prosecution even when it is shown to be unfounded is not actionable ....one would have to show malice ...a very difficult thing to do

I suspect that there is to be no such police action against the tic fans tomorrow. I suspect that they would have issued a warning of arrest (as they've done with the rankers) as a first port of call if they were going down that route, which I'm confident they are.

I suspect that there are forces at work to keep us arguing and debating this songs issue amongst ourselves and thereby allowing it to remain a matter of public concern, resultant PLC board statements and so on.

There will be no mass arrests.

Hail Hail
Jamiebhoy

According to a Wiki list of about 600 Rangers players, there has never been a Patrick.

PF ayr
On your question I would refer you to blantyretim @ 7:19pm

I was just thinking out loud, kinda.

GordonJ :- I've just finished checking my list and have to agree with you, I can't find one.

pf

You know as well as I that Celebrating Politics singing or otherwise is a Fundamental right in a Democracy.

I just laugh when I read this Bull re the Polis "Wading" in Tomorrow.Let me tell you Hamilton will be lucky if they can afford enough Officers to cover the Sporting Event Basics.

Lets stop the Establishment are out to get us nonsense it really is so boring and puts people off Posting on here.

Edward Ursus,

Don't know if I should volunteer this but am originally from Ayrshire myself (or the "open air asylum" as I've often heard it referred to).

Don't get back up there as often as I'd like, but it doesn't seem to have changed much if the exchanges here on CQN are anything to go by!

PS - to WG, I know you often ask for feedback for TGITW. I don't know what you do for a living, but whatever it is you're wasted in your job, fantastic stuff.

Thanks for bringing a smile to the face of an exiled Tim.

Cheers for now,
HB

Harrowbhoy :- That made me laugh but my understanding was that it's only Kilwinning that held that title or maybe that's just differentiated in Ayrshire.

just wanted to add some credence/evidence to the G72 pizza/vino theory...even down to specifics like pinot grigio!

Once a Bhoy

I read the story on KTF and must admit to a bit of concern if this turns out to be the case.

I await a response from Strathclyde police about inaction at a number of games where TFS was clearly sung. Now TFS is definitely racist and against the law, and to not act on that issue but act on the much less clearly defined (in legal terms) "sectarian" singing amongst the Celtic away support, would send out a very dangerous signal to many in Scottish society.

By many I mean reasonable minded Celtic supporters who are depending on the law to act in a just and equitable fashion. When folk perecieve that the law is not being upheld in that matter then respect for the law is lost with all sorts of unpleasant consequences for everyone.

To act tomorrow and make arrests on a sectarian basis would be such an act of political folly I can only hope that the story is wrong. If it is not then the Scottish Police require the same kind of investigation that EU Commissioner Chris Patten produced after heading the Independent Commission on the Future of Policing in Northern Ireland which recommended sweeping change to policing in NI.

Surely the police would not be foolish enough to create a call for this kind of investigation?

Having said all that how about the away support using their heads rather than their hearts on this occasion and keeping to the likes of The Fields etc for just one game to keep the focus on TFS and the lack of police action?

Why is it that Ah am the only wan.. who would like to see arrests being made of the small(?) numbah of recalcitrant Celtic Followers?.. who .. in fact..

Are acting acting against the best wishes of our Beloved Club... and are flaunting their recalcitrance in our faces..

They are well aware of what they are doing.

And they are determined to continue to do so.

When an irrisistable predilection meets an immovable objection. such as the wan espoused by the Celtic Board of Governors.. well.. sumthin's gotta.

Yeah! .

Ah am for mass arrests...pinpointing, the Guilty Party/Parties.

Let's get this nonsense taken care of..once and for all.

Kojo.

my post should have read "...which I am confident they aren't..."

Kojo

After the racism at the very same venue a few weeks ago I think arrests for singing political songs tomorrow would be totally wrong.

Jamiebhoy

Did you go for Madrid?

Quick somebody change the subject!!!

Any more feedback from FF re the near miss at home to the budddies?
Also, is it true that the Buddies were denied a strong penalty claim towards the end?

Mischievous Wattie (jaiket on a very shoogly hook) Smith at last manages a good tactical manouvre.

Edward Ursus @ 7:31 - I think that's what they call "splitting hairs". :-)

Had the misfortune to be born in Kilwinning, but spent my formative years in sunny Ardrossan, where my bedroom window overlooked the local Orange Hall..Needless to say my love for Celtic was cemented at an early age due in no small part to the rampaging locals who had an affiliation with your team.

Happy days!!

Interested to see that our goal difference with that other Glasgow team is level after today. Anyone know who the officials are for the game tomorrow? Surely no more assistant referees with dodgy surnames...

HB

kojo
wrongful arrest is wrongful arrest full stop.

If any of the South Lanarkshire Council tax payers could get away from their pizza, Spanish football and wine they could mibee do something about this.

Estadio...I did, however Ipswich have already let that line down. Mr Ladbroke now has my £15 for today. I`ll be back to get it back though!!

Kojo...I can't agree with you on that one. Anyway as I say, it's not gonna happen.

Lets not start a songs debate, I've been having a good day!!

Hail Hail
Jamiebhoy

nelsbhoy

you know a cannae help masel

i`ll be very suprised if there is any sustance to these rumours

anyway

how you gettin on auld pal ????

Kojo,

Last time I looked the Celtic Board did not write the law if the land - and to go against its wishes wasn't a criminal offence.

estadio national

do you still claim a student exemption...? :¬)))

I'm with Kojo.

Arrest those who will continue to bring trouble to Celtic.

Just spent 30 minutes on Celtic Underground watching a clip titled The Immortals evenly divided featuring Romario and our dear Henrik.

Well worth a look.

Harrowbhoy :- Did you stay in Princess Street? I lived there for a couple of year after getting married. I don't know if we are talking about the same building but if we are wasn't it also the Garry Owen CSC and later became the Rangers pub Carsons? One of the reasons I remember that building was I attended a fire in it shortly before it was ready to open as a CSC.

Have Celtic ever had a player with the surname Ferguson play for the first team?

BT

Does student of the Racing Post count?

How are you?
Ive been getting invites to The Priory, but due to the cold Ive got to say No, no, no. Have you been?

According to Kerrydale Street:

Ferguson, Cornelius – Defender -1940
Ferguson, George – Defender – 1945-48
Ferguson, John – Forward – 1895
Ferguson, William – Forward – 1895-97

ED

Haven't communicated with you recently but am I correct in thinking love has blossommed down your way (wis that no a programme a while back) in recent months?

pf

Well mate,thanks for asking. Been off the Drink since August,not a drop.Still love the site but getting a tad Political for me so stopped Posting really.

Hail Hail

nelsbhoy

off the drink ???????
i take it things reached the tipping point that evening at 4 am when you nicked your wifes wine

i still remember howling with laughter at that shortly before crawling my way to my own bed

also i miss the weekend afternoon sing a longs

estadio national

not tried it yet, still west end and doonin for me, couple of toadies for me tonight then off to kip.

EDB :- I'm happy to say that it has, an unexpected if very enjoyable surprise. Still I suppose I'm due something nice after the past couple of seasons :-)

Edward Ursus @ 7:49 : close but no cigar ;-)

Montgomerie Street, the building that became the Orange Hall used to be the local library (30 years ago now).

Went to my first Celtic game in 1977 on the bus from the original Garryowen Club, just a few hundred yards away next to St Peter in Chains RC church on the shorefront.

I think the Garryowen then moved to the Princes St venue a few years later (early 80's??) but the pub on Prines St did indeed become The Lord Carson a while back, though I'm pretty sure it's closed down now.

It was almost directly across the street from a pub/hotel called the Clyde, or the "Swinging t*t" as it was known locally, apparently a comment on the morals of the ladies who frequented it.

No comment.

HB

Team for tomorrow

Brown

Wilson
McManus
Caldwell
Hinkel

Robson
Donati
Brown
Naka

Sheridan
McDonald

The Hamilton midfield should be a bit soft with the two Jameses in the middle, let Donati continue.

HT Real Valladolid 0 Real Madrid 0

Madrid nervous looking.

If we're going to arrest the people that bring trouble to Celtic, that would put the Man U team behind bars.

Seriously though,kojo & even the olives, once arrested what would you have the fans charged with? Or are those trifling details?

estadio national

was in spar below your flat tonight, a few of my mates from school where leaving the prory and going into craigs...you won't get much peace tonight.

My dear,dear,dear,dear,dear,dear,dear,dear,friend.. Estadio Nacional

Please forgive me,pal..

Ah forgoat..

My last submission should have bin entitled...

The IMPLIMENTATION OF THE LAW.. According, to Kojo.

It is obvious from what I read on this Blog, that most of its Denizens,have an entirely different Interpretation .. Of.... The, "NO Nos"..and the, "Dinnae Dae Thats".. that are preached and sermonized , ad nauseam, to the Recalcitrant Band of Peck's Bad Bhoys,A.K.A as.. Loyal, but misguided, Celtic Supporters,by the present Celtic Movers and Shakers... than Ah dae. ( Phew!)

What part of the Prohibition, as pronounced by the Celtic Administrators against the singing of Proscribed songs at Soccer Matches,is so difficult to understand?
Which is..in .. essence.

Don't Sing those type of songs.

if ye insist in daeing that.. then it follows...
There wull be Repurcussions.

So.. accept yer Repurcusses.. and take yer licks.

Make sense tae me?

Sure it diz.

Kojo.
yer pal .. who likes ye a loat.

Therefore..

madrid 0 1 down

PF

I normally do it every couple of years.It was getting out of hand to be honest.Im 2 stone lighter and another half stone to go.More time in the Gym than Pub now.Me and the wife in front of the X Factor right now¬)))).

1-0

against Real...;up ye establishment stewards

SFTB

I suspect if anything it would be chuck outs and cautions.

1-0 Real Valladolid. Cracker, bet at 3/1 HT.

Time for wine.

Gordon J

Wikipedia don't have one listed.
Incidently they don't have an Anderson either.

nelsbhoy

you better slow down man ...life in the fast lane :¬)

on the other hand i`m troughing my way thro a crate of stella

with some red red wine for afters

the boxing is on to dark o`clock ...perfect excuse

Anderson, Oliver - Forward - 1937-46

eventheolivesarebleeding,

This is a more comprehensive list.

http://www.kerrydalestreet.com/page/All+time+A+to+Z+of+Celtic+players

I remember warning those of a 'keep it for the car' types that the current 'keep it clean' campaign was dangerous appeasement.

The fact that supposed Celtic fans can argue for the mass arrest of fellow fans for singing songs that are, at worst an expression of political leanings is, frankly appalling. It also goes to show that we will never render ourselves adequately purged for those outwith the Celtic diaspora and should not be attempting to do so.

Celtic IS different because of its broad church and those with Irish links and republican sympathies are an important part (though by no means more important than those of different national and political allegiance)of our identity.

I don't want another song debate but I would say that the corporate loyal, politically pro-establishment and aggressively anti republican types who predominate this site do not have ownership rights over the club and cannot dictate the 'rules' of acceptable behaviour of our support.

Call for the arrest of racists, hooligans and the like by all means but when you call for the arrest of people because of their cultural or political allegiances you are no better than those other reactionary idiots that predominate the dark side.

Sing away Bhoys - f*^k the bigots!

Kojo

Whilst what you say may be true, it is questionable whether they are breaking the law of the land. John Reid himself said Celtic have their own in house rules which is why Celtic have to police them using their own stewards.

TFS however is not breaking an in house rule, it is racist and breaking a law of the land and is for the police to deal with. Problem is that they have failed to do so on a number of occasions. So far without being challenged.

The problem with some of the stuff heard at away games is that whilst it is in NO WAY comparable to TFS in terms of illegality or vileness it is nevertheless used to divert attention from police inaction.

Which is why a cessation of anything that produces diversion, even for a few games, would be invaluable in terms of keeping focus on TFS. Its not as if suspension of such ditties means they are forever lost, but such a suspension means that TFS and ending it is kept at the forefront.

On your point about what is good for Celtic, whilst that is fairly obvious to many, the fact is that some folk take a different view on that.

From what I see much of that view is based on unpleasant personal experiences that some folk hold because their experience was bad I also think others have used those the feelings coming from those negative experiences for their own ends.

The current problem in my view is not that the differences are irreconcilable, human nature is more inclined to good than bad, but that there is no vehicle/platform/environment for discussing what lies behind the REASONS for the differences.

It would not be right for CQN for example to be diverted to become such a vehicle/platform for, as I said on an earlier post, it is simply not the right environment. However there is enough experience out there amongst managers of ALL the various Celtic fan web sites to CREATE such an environment so that through listening to each other and using the power of persuasion a meeting of minds occurs. The objective would be a Celtic that stands up for the very BEST of what makes Celtic Celtic, whilst laying aside some of what made us so because, valid though it was at the time, it does not reflect THE VERY BEST in us as human beings.

Once A Bhoy

I think Smith doesn't care nowadays. I don't think he wanted the job he now has but accepted it out of friendship with Murray.

As a club they are at best stagnating.

Hello all quicknewsters:

That wee lassie is braw on the telly, whit dae ye think ?

vinny

Kojo ,

Guilty until proven Irish?

hello all celtic bhoys n ghirls.....how about ye?

vinny bhoy did ye see that wee yin ......brilll....

Simon's a plonker methinks

vmhan

Ed

Good on you and your lady love. Best wishes to you both.

PF

This fight on later,is it worth staying up for?Not all that familiar with both Fighters.Probably off to bed at Ten with a Book.

BTW Keep this up and the Only Bench you ll make in the future is one in the grounds of the Priory.

Hi Vinny que pasa amigo?

no. 1 son is waiting fur the spanish lass tae come on......I think he hus a wee fancy for her.

vmhan aw

west wales celt

that is a very unhelpful generalisation of the contributers to this site

if the majority appal you so ...why waste your time and effort posting here

may i ask is you location in the southern hemisphere ?

Kojo

I can agree with some of the boards wishes but that cannot be a basis for police action.

In this current 'tit for tat' media assisted issue the arrest of Celtic supporters is a negative light on the club, granted the only way to prevent this is to stay legal. Im not continuing to the legalities of songs.

Yer pal that likes to keep away from the songs debate.

vinny_bhoy

he's back again and i'm confused again. :))))

If we sing nothing and sit on our hands for 90 mins then we will never offend anyone.

Then everyone will be happy right?

Hi vmhan ..................

whits the craic?

Seen anything o Blantyretim , pablo or Jinkysboy lately?

v

Big Liam

Thanks for posting that piece at 5:12 from Brian Warfield.

Even though no-one else on this site so fit to pass comment on it it was very interesting to hear the views of the man responsible for writing a few of these "offensive songs" we are told not to sing.

nelsbhoy

i had a completely dry weekend last and have been generally abstemious for a few weeks

a combination of family commitments and football

however got pass for tonight ...waiting for my mate to get home from work and a wee session will get underway

as for the priory ...seems to be a new pub in G72

is that correct EN

Aye .........nae bother vmhan

ur ye oot with TON-CHE-TIM the morra?

V

Michael Collins.

That is a very childish post.

There are plenty of songs we can sing without causing offence.

that blantyretim has been on the booze again,

4days off it and he was a new man,,

going into hamilton tomorrow before the game for a small refreshment,,

same team as wednesday will do me for tomorrow...

vmhan how you doing bhoy?

My dear,dear,dear,dear,dear,dear,dear,friend.. Big Liam.

Dinnae look noo,pal..

But ye're Shooder Chip.. is Showin'~

Sure, Ah know that ye ur Irish, an awe that.. but..really, pal.

Kojo.
yer pal.. who likes ye.

MC

we have plenty of football songs which cannot possibly offend any reasonable person

stop talking GASH

West Wales Celt on November 15, 2008 8:15 PM

Well said that man.

Due to the Vs I turned over to STV, Im starting to go off music altogether.

BT

Im sure it will be a quiet night again in the cosmopolitan hub.

Mon the Pucela?

InstrumentalMusicCSC

Blantyre tim ....................

on behalf of the vmhan ........he told me to say....

"I'm good"

V

pf ayr

you are correct the priory is the old commercial bar in blantyre,,#

PF Ayr - I didn't accuse all the contributors to this site, guess its a case of 'if the hat fits' mate.

I can't recall there being an outcry when fholk who have posted reasoned arguments on this site were branded 'bigots', 'brawheads', 'bampots', etc. To top it all we now have 'Celtic fans' openly calling for the arrest of fellow fans because they don't like their songs. In that context I think my comments are mild.

I keep posting because I am reluctant to be forced away from a site I normally enjoy. Some of you may prefer it otherwise but to my knowledge Paul continues to welcome all Celts.

As to my location, the clues in the 'handle' - cymer y M pedwar wrth Llundain a chadw fynd i'r gorllewin!

ElDiegoBhoy1 on November 15, 2008 8:16 PM

Wattie is hurtin....big time.

Much has been made of elements within our support not taking to our manager, little is mentioned in the media with regards to the negative feelings in the soosiders camp towards El Cardy.

When he came many were disappointed given his previous mutual consentment as a result of Euro failure and missing the big 10. Many wished PLG had won his battle against the booze brothers. Even last season when they were heading for a quad many were heard booing at the end of games due to the regular snoozefest their "style" of play had become.

Now, with only 4 points of a difference and 75% of the league still to go the Orcs are becoming restless. Disenchantment is simmering it's way to the surface. The media barrage has kicked in early (the first signs of panic in Mordor) and Minty has no one else to turn to.

As a club they can only aspire to stagnation. It may be only a matter of time before they cease selling matchday programs and move on to Big Issues.

As someone mentioned yesterday, "Minty is now a debt Billionaire!".

Let's dump the songs talk and discuss their finances, that ALWAYS cheers me up.

I think that the plan has succeeded. The laptop loyal and phone in idiots have their ammo. Celtic fans calling for mass arrests, discontent amongst the fans etc etc.

There will be no arrests regarding the songs that we sing.

Rankers are in freefall and we are playing some of the best stuff I've seen us produce in the last couple of years. Lets enjoy it and move on.

Hail Hail
Jamiebhoy

Michael Collins

Thanks for keeping the rest of us in check and btw smarten up your spelling:o)

so or saw? and, don't think I've ever seen two "it" in a row>

wisawnawmeanttospellcheck?csc

Only those with a very perverted set of sensibilities would try and tone down their perfectly legitimate and legal public actions to appease a demented mindset in the vain and utterly ridiculous hope that they will be more accepted. Sorry not for me. It´s not how I was brought up and its not how I bring my son up.

Hail Hail

WestWalesCeltCSC

Michael Collins

I posted a thankyou to Liam at 5.36 for posting the article.

PF ayr

Correct. The Priory is the reincarnation of what was The Commercial a 100% Celtic pub.

The Commercial got a touch shabby and lost its licence for a year, it re opened the other week as a smart looking modern pub, which I believe still has a Celtic friendly crowd.

The pub is named after the Priory, an old area of Blantyre.

What are the chances of Real getting a decision in the closing minutes?

west wales celt

" if the cap fits"

very good pal

you obviously haven`t read any of my posts this evening ...and continue to generalise

quantum valiat ...i agree with most of what you say

you really don`t have to be so prickly

Lad's heres my take on WS.

Firstly, i think he thought it was going top be like his first time in charge with him and DM backing him with dough. It hasn't materialised like he has wanted. However, if you tally it up he's had more to spend than our manager just about.

Secondly, i think WS is regretting leaving the Scotland job. Call it a co incidence but i find it strange that laptop loyal have the knives out for Burley. Wouldn't be that WS is thinking of leaving Rangers and ideally the Scotland managers position is up for grabs again, and you have Peat and Duffield making a move for the Walter to revive the team again.

Call it a hunch!!

Awe-Naw - my thanks for your support, was feeling lonely on here! I concur whole-heartedly - trouble is it would seem its not just the hunnite community who have trouble accepting us.....

Paul - be careful with that song you quote, the 4th line espouses battlecries after all.

Michael

Thanks for directing me to Big Liam's post. The fact that it got lost supports my contention that what is lacking is an environment where the points made in it can be examined in a fashion likely to take the debate/discussion forward.

This is not a criticism of CQN. It is just that this debate/discussion is blowing out there in the wind and seeds of it are turning up all over Celtic cyberland with no place that they can take root and grow into something positive.

A question I have for example based on the post is:

Are Celtic trying to divorce themselves completely from their Irishness?

Are all songs that relate to Irish history in danger of never being heard again at CP?

I am sure there are many more but a lot of this is fear driven and we need to establish somewhere that first recognises then explores such fears to see if they are what we think them to be.

vinnybhoy ......................

A wee song fur ye........Ryan's singing away tae this... ye agree?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_iUEwB4ME3I&feature=related

vmhan

aye vmhan it's braw.

V

nelsbhoy. not that kind of decision!!

Heinze aff

Joe Parkhead @ 10:48...

Those public trials?

There was certainly one held at the start of the 1963/1964 season, there may very well have been one held the following season.

However after Jock Stein arrived they were discontinued.

In season 1958/59 the Hoops lined up :-

Beattie, Fallon, Mochan, Fernie, Evans, Peacock, Tully, Collins, Colrain, McPhail and Wilson.

The "Shamrock" 11 was Haffey, McKay and Lynch, Crerand, McNeill, Smith, Carroll, Jackson, Conway, Divers and Auld.

The 1959/1960 teams were....

Hoops - Haffey, Trialist, Mochan, McKay, Evans, Peacock, Byrne, Lochhead, Colrain, Divers and Auld.

Shamrocks - Fallon, Trialist, Kennedy, Crerand, McNeill, Trialist, Smith, Jackson, Conway, Trialsit, and Carroll.

In 1963/1964 the squads were...

Hoops - Haffey, McKay, O'Neil, Kennedy, Clark, Mcneill, McNamee, Parks, Price, Chalmers, Turner, Gallagher, Murdoch, Hughes, Divers and F. Brogan.

Shamrocks- Madden, Brankin, Young, Gemmell, Cushley, McCarron, Lawson, O'Neill, J Brogan, Cullen, Halpin, McCallum, Brady, Lennox, Gnaulati,
and Johnstone.

Don't have any scores I am afraid however I do remember attending one of these public trial games (to see Jimmy Johnstone) and I am sure the "wee" (Shamrock) team won.

On the subject of the shamrock strip, I believe that it was presented to Celtic by Belfast Celtic.

I also believe that it made its last appearance in the Scottish Cup Quarter final tie v Kilmarnock at Celtic Park on 6 March 1965 in a 3-2 victory.

This was Jimmy McGrory's last match in charge.

That same day that Jock Stein's Hibernian knocked Rangers out of the cup, 2-1, at Easter Road in what was Jock's last game in charge there.

Jock favoured the all green kit as the second strip which effectively confined the shamrock strip to the history books.

Shame, I agree with you that it was a classic kit though I much preferred the hooped socks! Still do!

Do you think that we would upset anyone if we reintroduced it today with the shamrock proudly displayed on the breast?

While I am on the subject of strips, I hate that big daft white patch on the back of our Champions League hoops.

No doubt it is the result of some UEFA edict.

jinksyboy @ 12:46...

Do you know which editions/dates from 1971 you appeared in the View?

I should be able to let you have a copy.

WGS

hunch ?