Falkirk 3-3 Celtic, SPL, 8 November 2009

let the people sing

UC

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

podium

Not good enough Celtic.

Didn't think McManus was eligible to play today, sadly I was wrong. He cost us the two points. Skippy was much better today than he has been recently. Not much more to say really.

martybhoy67

I agree the Tannadice fixture looks ominous on the evidence of what we saw against Falkirk.

I'm glad i was spared TM's usual TV interview of excuses, apparently he only did them on radio
this week.

HH

We are making this title race seem interesting

Leagues CAN be lost in November, this result and level of performance (against the bottom club in the league) is unacceptable. Well done to all the fans (Celtic, Falkirk and Rangers) in the stadium who impeccably observed the minute's silence. That's that over with for another nine months.

Well done guys - you have finally p***** me off! I've endured endless crap about the poppy debate as if Northern Ireland is all that matters. I've read all sorts of **** suggesting if we appoint another manager, all will be fine. I've put up with people gloating about the situation with that lot Southside as if it really mattered to us. Worst of all, I'm expected to support a bunch of posers who are lucky, some of them, to be professional footballers never mind abusing the Hoops.

Face facts! We have they poorest squad for decades. Some of the guys on the park don't seem to care. It has never been easier to win the SPL and yet we're struggling.

Jinkysbhoy,

Mail to you,

Martin.

Some great posts on here over the last week but as much as we look for a positive I think today we reached a new depth...

I may not be a regular or an articulate contributor to this varied blog but I do know the difference between a good Celtic and a bad Celtic ... and that's a bad Celtic....

I don't want to come on and be an erse but this is getting to the point where the club are in big danger... needs to be addressed....

Hopefully by the manager.

As I said earlier,should we lose Artur in January,we will finish 3rd.

thomthethim -

outside the stadium no count, ask UEFA, the intelligence-insulters that they are

Steinreignedsupreme, 6:45pm, last thread:

Ghod forgive we place any blame on the SPL and Celtic FC. Its not as if they contributed to a political situation that gave rise to the possibility of protest.

As for your comments about chasing away fans who make political protests. Absolutely, hanging's too good for them.

I think next year we should replace the clover with the poppy. That four-leafed plant has the potential to embarrass and upset others after all. We could also take down that controversial flag which could be misconstrued and fly the flag of this great nation.

Would a quick rendition of our glorious national anthem be too much to ask?

Cor blimey Gov, ain't the queen gotta luverly smile CSC

Barcabhoy

Well said.

There are over 500000 minutes in a year.
Were asked only to observe one.

Whether you agree with what the minute is for or not is irrelevant. If you dont want to observe it stay away till its over.Missing the first two minutes of the game isnt going to hurt you.

They must have known that their singing would have been picked up and would have reflected badly on us.

It makes our club look disrespectful and that is fundamentally against what I believe we are all about as a club.

There are plenty of avenues for protest in our democracy.Using Celtic in that way is unnecessary and, IMO, disrepectful to their fellow Celtic fans.

As for the football - words pretty much fail me.

Can someone please teach Stephen McManus the offside rule?

Shambolic overall.

Were playing like a team whose 11 players have been picked at random out of a very large crowd and told to get on with it.

TLWIO

Peter Lawell

if he thinks he has any reason to shake his head at
the fans...

he in an employee, we as shareholders are his employers...

i am sick of the players...

i am sick of the people who work for us,,i.e. you mr lawell..

Martin

Mail received and returned

From last thread,

Rogue,

I am not convinced by Tony, as i keep saying i doubt if he is the man for the job but, until a viable alternative is available i.e. not a Craig Levien or a Mark McGhee, then getting rid of him now will do more harm than good.

I cannot post sentance after sentance putting up a stern defence for him as i dont have one, but the reality of the situation is that if we get rid of him who do we get?

That is the reality, who do we get? It is easy to say "Mowbray must go!".

Right now say for talking sake we are on the Celtic board you and I and we decide he has to be relieved of command, lets come up with a short list of 5 names and open it to the blog for debate?

Remember the budget available to get someone else will be next to nothing as Tony, Mark and Peter will probably have to be paid off.

1.Roy Hodgson
2.Willie McStay
3.Paul Lambert
4.Craig Levien
5.John Hughes

Choice 1 is most definately too expensive, as maybe choice 4 as he would have a compensation to be paid, 3 and 5 again under contract so that leaves choice 2.

How much time do you think Willie would get if he couldnt motivate the players and what do we do then?

The reality of the situation is Mowbray will not be sacked yet, it is cost prohibitive, if he does eventually go Willie McStay fits in with the spend no money policy.

Maybe Willie is worth a shot, he will Celtic manager at some point in the future but my view is at the minute it is too risky, and remember it is barely a week since we played Killie off the park, and i dont remember many posts shouting "Mowbray must go!".

gebhoy

WGS - At the moment I would take anyone other than Mowbray, who is not capable of doing the job and has shown nothing to the contrary during his time in the hotseat. I am not giving a list of names for folk to be able to go through and shoot them down one by one because as I said, it aint my job to find somebody fit enough to manage the team. I gave you my list of qualities I would be looking for, there are dozens of managers who fit them. If the Celtic board are doing their job properly they should be able to give you dozens more because just like the football management team scout players the board should at all times have a list of people they would approach for manager should the time arise. For a club of our stature that is the least that should be expected.

A dire display today.
Were they tired after Thursday?
Hardly anyone looked interested and Caldwell's challenge which gave away the penalty was baffling in its clumsiness.
MacDonald has taken a fair amount of criticism here, but he certainly knows where the goal is.

spikeysauldman

we have bigots in our support as well....to say otherwise is disingenuous......those protesting outside may not have offended you, but they offended me and from what i can see they offended a majority of celtic fans

those protesting didn't give a second's thought to those who have lost relatives fighting nazism, they didn't give a moments thought for those who wanted a moment to quietly think of lost grandfathers,fathers, brothers and sons and daughters

their lack of respect was exactly the same as the bigoted kit man at Ibrox

bournesouprecipe

There are no excuses for that shambles today

TM doesn't know his best team, his defensive pairing changes every week as does his midfield, up front McDonald has to play as he's the only one who looks like scoring, Sammi is a waste of space IMHO, and the jury is well and truly out on Fortune.

Even if TM had given a tv interview after the game i wouldn't have seen it anyway as i switched off at full time in disgust

Bradford Bhoy I have read countless posts about selling Artur since Zaluska's heroics on Thursday night.If we sell Artur we might as well just hand the huns the league again like we did last season.Artur Boruc Celtic no 1.

We reap what we sow and how we are reaping now.Thanks to the wonderful Celtic Board who knew for months Strachan was leaving and gave us Tony Mowbray.Yet another puppet Manager.

thomthethim
In Ireland the political system you talk about means you vote the way they want,present government,or they keep coming back until you do.(Lisbon Treaty)Sinn Fein/IRA you sound like a brit.Slan

I'm presuming Loovens picked up an injury in the first half. Anyone know what it is and how long he will be out?

Gordon_J

Commentator on Sky said a groin injury.

See this poppy thing....

The people behind it have reached their goal.... To split a support that should be able to rise above it.....

I wont offer an opinion on it , just an observation..

My opinion would be removed from this blog.....

FindinghardtobelievethisiscelticCSC

Bloke_109,

Thanks. I was hoping it wasn't a tactical switch!

Sevendouble.

I cant stand the "tired after midweek" argument some make.

Theyre professional athletes FFS with all the back up that entails.

Some of them didnt play the full 90 minutes there or here.

And it was Falkirk we were playing not Barca.

More than 1/3 of their total goals scored this season ( incl today) scored against us in 45 minutes.

Unacceptable on just about every level.

TLWIO

I stopped listening to BTM 10 seconds into his radio interview with wee chick after the game, so I have no idea if he complained or not about our perfectly good goal wrongly disallowed at the death, (excuse the choice of words).

As bad as we were we could have escaped to victory from an unlikely Falkirk, but didnt, due to a(nother) dodgy decision. At the time I nearly put the boot into the telly, I was feeling bad anyway this made me feel an awful lot worse.

Having calmed down now, I just want those 2 missing points, please!

I'm as fed up as Tony sounds, but I'm madder that we can be treated with so much disdain by the rules and the arbiters of the rules of the game that we don't even complain now.

The three points would have made me feel a tad better about the game but it wouldn't have hidden our inadequacies all over the park. I hope Tony did complain eventually, and send a "MR Murphy-type" volley towards those tight little gentlemen who peepil the SFA and the Bowling Clubs of our dear little country, but all I heard from our team supremo were some bewildered exasperations delivered in the kind of meek manner that you usually see in colleagues 5 mins before they are called in to see HR!

Leadership is a dawdle when you are good at it.

Currently Tony does not sound like a leader, speak like a leader or inspire the confidence that good leader would.

MR LAWELL

DON'T YOU DARE...

YOU ARE AN EMPLOYEE....

thomthetim:

Why do people taking a pro-establishment, pro-corporate view feel they have right to call other people 'parasites'?

By all means be ardent in defence of what you believe, criticise the views and actions of others but there really is no legitimacy in the use of insults.

I try hard to avoid insults and an overuse of exclamation marks in all my posts. Give it a try, it'll make you a better poster in my humble opinion.

WWC - who may disagree with you but would never deny your right to be a part of the Celtic family.

barcabhoy

To force people to have a minutes silence is nazism

gebhoy - OK let's out of interest take your 5 names and add Mowbray as number 6. Now we should ask of those 6 how many of them would you bet on winning us the league this year?

Number 1 and 4 definetly would. I think number 5 would have a better chance than number 6.

That should speak volumes. Out of your off the top of your head list I reckon Mowbray would be at number 4 out of 6 for ability to win the SPL. In my opnion of course. So is gambling the CL place (again) worth not paying out compo for somebody?

Using your list I would choose Levein. Getting Levein would not be cost prohibitive in my opinion. Whilst not the long term answer I think he could steady the ship and get the players playing as a team. Mowbray cannot even motivate them to play as a team, in November when we are approaching a unique transfer window where there will be a great deal of quality players on the fringe of squads looking for first team football for their world cup chances. For once there will be quality available in January. Mowbray knows that. The players know that and yet he can't even use that to motivate them to fight for their place at this club. That rings alarm bells for me.

BT

that is the funniest post I have seen on here in years.

UC

3 goals shipped against a very poor team who brought on a coach to make up the numbers!! as they hadn't enought first team players available.....just wonder how far more do we have to fall before action is taken.

Last season I spoke about a century of domination.......some fool I was

UC

Fact..

I only deal in facts...;¬)

BTW

I will be deleted soon.... he he

andybhoy on November 8, 2009 7:22 PM
barcabhoy

To force people to have a minutes silence is nazism"

you are equating asking people to be silent for one minute, with a regime who practiced genocide, slaughtered millions, and waged indiscriminate war on most european countries

are you serious ???

Am I missing something with our 92nd minute goal?

So far as I could see Samaras was onside but missed (shockeroonie)but MacDonald WAS offside when the ball broke to Samaras and was rightly flagged.

TLWIO

How do you copy and paste on a mac?

Just posted on last thread.

How to some up today

First of all with a question, why was Marc Crosas not playing in past two games himself and landry looked comfortable together, how many times do we see posts from Paul67 talking about this vital area in Celtic Team, we get two good games with the two guys then we changed it ?

First half, Falkirk had approx ten attempts on goal, seemed to pass the ball well from midfield forward easily.

Contrast this with our team, wingers totally out the game, Landry and Robson seem to struggle to win possesion or when they won it keep it. Game seem to fly past them.

Suggestion here is that we need to come up with a PLAN B, when we start to get flooded in the middle by getting the wingers tuck in as a very close unit !!! Help them.

I am now starting to question the having two in the middle isolated themselves against 3/4 oppossition players ?

Our tactics in the first half looked very strange, long punts forward to Marc and Sami, only recall that paying off once in first half.

Second half we gave the ball away cheap up the park for both goals..

For what it is worth,

Sami actually looked comfortable in himself wide left, at least we knew then that there was two strikers in around the box, only point to make is that you hold onto the ball too long at times, simple ones two's need to come into your game to get the benefit of what you are trying to do (see Kilmarnock away twice and Motherwell away) Or look to pass to the left full back or other players

Fair play to Mcdonald in scoring his two goals, strange reactions when celebrating looked as if he did not want to know any of the other guys.

Big Marc probably would have been better if you passed to Macdonald when you where in the box, could have been 4.2

Linesman on two occassions, gave wrong decisions, second one was absolutely shocking,

Apart from our poor display, lets not forget we are up against the establishment here.Big Tony please take a leave out of MON and Fergies book here and complain about these poor decisions, Sir Cardigan never misses the opportunity

Overall a disappointing day

Hail Hail

Mouldy67

barcabhoy

When people start to burn books they end up burning people

Think about it!!

I am amazed at the short sightedness of those calling for Mowbray's head just a few months into the job. To lay the blame for poor performances squarely at the managers door is plain foolish. It's the players out there on the pitch who win and lose matches, and it's the players who are letting us down. Yes, the manager, and to some extent the board share some of the blame for the current state of our playing squad, but those players should still be producing better performances than they have shown so far this season.

Given our reserves have won the league 8 years on the bounce - am I being naive when I think we could ahve fielded them today against Falkirks reserves and expected a win.

BT - stoap shouting !

Bloke_109 @5.46pm previous thread.

Much appreciated. I had to nip out straight after I posted.

spelling mistake oops, should be leaf

TinyTim

highlight the text you want to paste, then select copy from the edit tab on the toolbar

Paul67- given the ethos and starting principle of your blog it appears bizarre in the extreme that there was no post on the AGM.

I reckon next year's season tickets will fall to a 2o year low.
it will be an enormous fall from this season's high.
I dont think it will have been allowed for in the business plan.

That being the case and coupling it with the drop in tv and european income there may well be a requirement for either a cash injection or a fire sale of the high earners.

I wont renew my investor lounge ticket for next year.
Not on your nelly.
The board have created a vicious circle - as season ticket sales dramatically fall- the fans know they can pick and choose their matches

The appointment of a 3rd choice manager was a shocking decision by the CEO. It will prove to be a classic ''penny wise-pound foolish'' decision by a CEO that has only proved to be good at cost-cutting.

andybhoy - 45 comments on this article and you have already invoked Godwins Law. Impressive work....

This poppy nonsense is just a jingolistic excercise by right wing nutters.Watched Edinburgh derby on Saturday.One minute after the silence the Hearts support were singing the billy boys and upto your knees in Fenian blood.Will it be reported in papers,of course
not.Move on .Slan.

Tiny Tim:

it depends what you want to post...

Thomthethim--Sinn Fein IRA is it?--You sound like the old DUP, or perhaps you prefer Jim Allister and the TUV? That's True Unionist Voice to those in the dark. It took an awful lot of dead bodies to get N.Ireland where it is politically. To resort to that crap you spouted shows your mentality, and no, I am not a Sinn Fein supporter. My take on the poppy debate is on this blog if you wish to read back. My feeling is the same as I feel for those who call for the abolition of Catholic schools in Scotland,or anywhere else for that matter. Easy targets, and easy hard-man attitude. If you would really like to protest about something, go to Saudi Arabia and parade with a placard asking why they fund Moslem terrorists. You wouldn't get very far, but your courage would be without question. I think they are entitled to sing songs outside the ground. I personally would not have done it during the minute's silence, but the club, like it or not, are being forced into a corner. God forbid someone should kick back at that!

Jinkysboy

WHAT?

mcgrory for Arsenal 7.29

The best post for days.

We can argue all day long, disagree 'til the cows come home. Some may agree, others will take a different stance. BUT, the fact remains.......

Chaplin got his first 1st yesterday.

Put that in yer pipe and smoke it.

When another player make Samaras look like a striker you have a problem and Fortune does that.

Worrying.com/Idsellhimalready

West wales Celt

I am sure that you won't agree with it.

No more excuses Mowbray.
You have had them long enough.
The worst you've seen them since you got here?
The worst team you have organised since you got here.
Please leave now.

Mince against bottom of the league cowboys.
Out of Europe.
Out of time Mowbray.

Cheerio.

Have I just been deleted?

If so can I ask why the posts that used the insults I paraphrased remain?

Jeez!

Herodotus...wish you would take your advice and beat it

Auldheid-from previous post. You are correct in your assumption that it was only my opinion. My literary skills should have been better so in a twisted kind of way-thanks for pulling me up about it. Which leads me on to Blantyre Tim. Yes he is an employee, but on this occasion he has my full backing. Instead of doing a Martin Bain, he at least showed what he thought of the whole scenario and the number of posts condemning the acts on here does, imo, validate his act of head-shaking. It was set up for the Scottish media to lay into us, and all it took was the idiocy of sme 'supporters' to fall right into the waiting arms of the laptop loyal. I for one, also shook my head.

the long wait is over,

The linesman flagged before Samaras even got his shot away. The rest is irrelevant.

Obviously another Hun!

By blantyretim on November 8, 2009 7:21 PM
MR LAWELL

DON'T YOU DARE...

YOU ARE AN EMPLOYEE

herodotus

You dont rate BTM do you ?

BT

I turned my hearing aid off then .....

martybhoy67

Again I'm o.k. with that, I don't think it looks great at the moment for TM who is near 30 competative games with us, his backers are either few in number, just conspicuous with their absence, or too polite on this board to criticise, at the best of times.

I said last week, Kilmarnock were pitiful, we won so there were few complaints, we just have so many players that are below, what you expect in a Celtic player, add that to a Manager you didn't want in July, and hey presto.

HH

Not interested in the minute silence debate, stood there, in silence, did my bit.

What angered me more was that insipid display, particularly in the first half; if Falkirk had their shooting boots on they could have won the game by half time. The whole game was a shocking performance, totally unacceptable, totally unprofessional, how can you put in a shift in Germany then produce that?

Almost as if they couldn’t care less - the result would come eventually - no you have to work to earn the points.

What tactical decision puts Sammi on the wing running about like a clown, then he takes corners! No doubt this will be a long long hard campaign, sadly against poor poor opposition.

RogueLeader

Who is Godwin?

That was a quote from Heinrich Heine

war Vorspiel nur. Dort, wo man Bücher verbrennt, verbrennt man am Ende auch Menschen

Today's performance lies squarely with the players.

Aiden McGeady's tame penalty
Gary Caldwell's clumsy tackle,
Aiden's half hearted attempt to tarck back,
Samaras' poor passing
defenders standing off in the last third
Front two not holding onto the ball.

Its not often I agree with Andy Walker but he was right during the TV commentary to call on the players and their lack of commitment effort and interest in playing for Celtic.

The concern for Tony Mowbray must be that his signings were no better than Gordon Strachan's in their commitment and effort. The Board cannot be expected to blame the manager for these players' performance.

As regards the Republican protesters we should be looking to fans groups, Associations fanzines and Green Brigade or whoever to show some leadership on behalf of Celtic supporters and invite the Republicans to conduct their protests on political issues away from Celtic. Did someone say parasites or was it moral cowardice?

Folk,

There is a simple saying that always makes sense to me:

"If you always do what you have always done you will always get what you always get"

We have watched the same players (more or less) play the same dire football week in week out getting the same dire results. How can we expect different results if we play the same players?

Admittedly it’s not their fault that they are average players being paid well above average wages. However they are now all consistently playing well below average football weekly.

What I think is stopping/slowing the required changes at our club is the players' lengthy contracts, the ability of all football clubs to discipline footballers for playing so consistently poorly and our need to minimise the cost of buying new players by selling some of the current duds. I personally feel that some of the players only get a game because we need to keep them in the shop window to maximise the money we can get for them.

I think some of the current crop of Celtic Players should take a long hard look at themselves in the mirror and think about the Celtic Family that pay them and how they every week let all of us including themselves down?

How many of the supporters earn in a year what they earn in a week/2-weeks?
I'd donate an organ to play for Celtic - I'd die happily on the park for the cause! All we ask of the players to do is do what they are paid to do. I ask you, “How much do the Falkirk starting 11 earn in a week compared to Celtic's 11?” and “is there a relationship between how good footballers are and what they earn?”

I am now disappointed, disappointed buying a season ticket and disappointed paying for Sky and ESPN. I will always support Celtic no matter where I am and I pray that we quickly change the current players or the current players change their poor attitudes and we get the results we deserve.

Hail Hail
LLB

mouldy67

Your first question

Crosas wasn't picked because that would have been three games in a week and he might get
injured - Tony Mowbray

HH

That first half was abysmal.

The goals we gave away were disgraceful.

Another shambolic performance.

Tony, big fella, January can't come quick enough. You had better hope that you get money to spend and then you had better hope your signings work out. Otherwise your jaiket is on a shaky nail!

BTW, I say that as someone who had high hopes for your time as Celtic Manager.
Those hopes unfortunately are diminishing almost by the game.

HAIL! HAIL!
Token

Jinkysbhoy 4.48

I won't comment on the match.

I was at the match today.

I waited patiently with Mrs TT at turnstiles 11 and 12.

There were around 1,000 Celtic fans(at my side if the stand) waiting in line to enter the stadium when the minutes silence occurred.
My wife and myself amongst them.(no chairs were ripped up or thrown due the the lack of turnstiles)

I cannot state how many were cueing at the other side of the stand ,but i would expect similar numbers.

There was a cameraman taking photos of the cueing supporters and a small group of protesters (approximately 10) who ere not in the main cue but had decided not to wait in line.

It was not clear from the outside of the stadium that the min's silence had begun or had actually taken place.

The group of 10 began to sing rebel songs and i cringed with embarrassment.My wife looked at her watch and said that she thought that the min silence had begun.

Quite a few joined in with the chanting( 30 or 40) i've no real way of telling.

I don't know how many actually knew that the min silence had actually begun,but i could tell that the press were looking for a story and we had just given them one.

The so called protestors near to me, were young buckfast/ecstacy /marijuana
fuelled neds.

There were thick sheep amongst them.

Today, these neds have been highlighted.They follow us everywhere.They do not realise that there is a time and a place for their rebel singing.They do not care about the damage that they do to Celtic FC.

They just want to show each other how hard core republican they are.

Most of them will never have set foot or indeed have a detailed knowledge about the Irish problem.

Many want to take the stance that others just don't understand our plight,and defend them for fighting our corner.

They do not stand up for the same values as me.

Common respect for my fellow mankind.

We have some on here who are IMHO misguided ,who are defending them.

I have not experienced the personal loss or daily tortures that those from the North of Ireland have had to endure.

I am aware that i speak on a subject with having had to personally suffer,however from afar ,i have this view.

For peace to prevail.For past enemies to live side by side in peace .There must be forgiveness on all sides.If you cannot achieve forgiveness then respect for our differences, is essential.

Defending the minority today ,is similar to those that defend the Hun Hordes.

We are tarred with the same brush by outsiders.

Today Celtic the Celtic support lost the respect of some.

Some were for us already and some were agin us,before the dawn had set.

It is matters not where you started the day.The Good name of The Celtic support has been tarnished today ,and for that i condemn those who support the so called protestors today.

They did not protest in my name ,but i am now guilty by association.

I love Celtic more than any of them.

Celtic are bigger than me or them.

They shamed me today by association.

P.S.Thank's Barcabhoy.

The long wait...

The flag went up before Samaras shot. Only Samaras was moving toward the ball and therefore only Samaras can be judged offside or on by the linesman at that point.

McDonald was nowhere near the ball at that time and is not part of play.

I can't be sure where McDonald was when Samaras shot as I was already in slipper throwing mode at that point. If he was behind the ball (as I think he was0 then he cannot be offside.

I would also refer you to 15mins earlier when McDonald followed in one-on-one with the keeper and was flagged offside by the same linesman. That's what initially got on my wick as the left back - immediately in front of the linesman - was playing the entire west coast of Scotland onside by YARDS - but he still flagged. Not possible to get either one wrong in my view.

I would like to know his name to watch for him in future.

By the way, has anyone seen Eddie Smith refereeing this season? Just wondering if the unseen masonic magnet has pulled him out of view for giving Naka that free kick at Love Street 2 years ago...

Never seems to happen to officials who give things against us, only for us.

Rogue,

The club is at its lowest ebb this decade both on and off the park, this seasons title is as important if not more important than last years.

If by sacking Tony now garaunteed the title i would say sick him now, my view is that by sacking him now the title becomes harder to win.

We have to have at least some faith in him, remember in this round of fixtures we had the harder run of away games, the next 11 league games should be a better barometer of where we are.

Lets agree to disagree just now, and see what the next run of games brings.

gebhoy

mcgrory-for-arsenal on November 8, 2009 7:29 PM

The foundations for the current scenario were writ large in January....A new manager and the spun prospect of new signings averted a meltdown in season book sales this year......It's not inevitable that next season will see a huge fall, but this board seem unable to equate attractive football, good players and season book sales.....

There are some talented players at the club, but on field leadership is non existent.....an experienced driven player with a winning mentality, in fact we need about 3 of them.....give us an Artur in defence, midfield and attack and we would romp this league

Moderator:

You deleted my post and are happy to leave the post at 7:17pm calling Celtic fans 'backward', 'pig ignorant', questioning their upbringing and likening them to wife-beaters.

I'd appreciate an explanation...

Tiny Tim, no probably not but you need to press the control button (I think that's what its called) which performs the same function as a right mouse button on a microsoft machine.

U2_1888,

the same linesman was over-ruled by the referee earlier in the game for at a throw-in, which he had flagged for Falkirk.

We can often justly complain about officials, however I thought the referee had a good game today.

Anyone who was genuinely concerned about remembering the war dead today wouldn't have been at the football, they would have been at a remembrance day parade.

A two minutes silence before a match? That's just tokenism, so stuff the synthetic outrage.

FANADPATRIOT,
the wearing of a poppy is done to show respect to the many thousands of everyday citizens who died for the freedom of their country. If you don't want to wear one then that is a right that has been achieved for you by their ultimate sacrifice. You can choose to exercise that option, but please do not try and turn the overwhelming majority of peoples' respectful choice into some sinister political activity. It is not and never has been a "jingoistic exercise". If you don't wish to observe the minute's silence then that is fine, but do not try and justify the hijacking of this act by mindless slackjawed morons. They have made a depressing day in celtic even more bleak.

Hopefully this poppy and silence nonsense stops so we can get back to the football. Celtic have enough politics on their shoulders without reading into the scumbags who couldn't keep their mouths shout for 1 minute to respect the dead.

That said...

Shameful performance today, we didn't lose but it really shouldn't of been on the cards against Falkirk. Fair play to Falkirk, now that was a team (minus 7 first team players) who were hungry for the win. Thankfully our no.2 keeper is in form. That could easily have been a disaster. And thanks to wee skippy showing that his days at celtic park aren't over yet. But apart from that the rest really need to dig deep and find that passion that kept the previous celtic greats running on empty. Mowbray has got to get these guys working together as a team, which again sadly is on the back burner due to international break. I've still got my fingers crossed for Mowbray and will hold back my judgement till the January window to see the next step in his plan.

Come on Mowbray, lift these guys up and start building some partnerships!!! Still top of the league

Hail Hail
Shane

West Wales Celt on November 8, 2009 7:21 PM

thomthetim:

Why do people taking a pro-establishment, pro-corporate view feel they have right to call other people 'parasites'?

I am neither pro- establishment nor pro- corporate, whatever those terms mean, but I am Pro- Celtic.

Everyone and his dug know that Celtic were being painted into a corner this week and understood the ramifications of embarrassing the club.

There were many eloquent posters from this side of the water who argued for putting the club's reputation first.

This is the second time you have disagreed with my use of the term "parasite".

I take the word to mean something that attaches itself to another body to the detriment of the host, although I'm sure you know that already.

FANADPATRIOTAuthor Profile Page on November 8, 2009 7:15 PM

thomthethim
In Ireland the political system you talk about means you vote the way they want,present government,or they keep coming back until you do.(Lisbon Treaty)Sinn Fein/IRA you sound like a brit.Slan

You don't have to tell me how bad our government is, I live under it.

However, we have the means to change it if enough people will it. Incidentally, I don't believe in Referenda. If a Government get it wrong- then vote them out. It's called Democracy. It's not perfect, but it's the best we've got.

It is a pity that Ireland could not develop an electable Left or Centre Left Party.

But hey, that's politics and has damn all to do with Celtic, so no more from me on that subject.

I enjoyed the craic.

Pro-CelticCSC.

blantyretim,

Do you know why PL was shaking his head?

I know why I was shaking mine.

Read Tiny Tim's post at 7.41pm - it was the guy's he observed who were deserving of more than just a shake of the head.

Celtic is greater than you or I or any of them. Did their actions today enhance Celtic's name? I doubt it.

Evening all,

Didn't see the game today. Decided to go and do something better with my time. I have only watched both Arsenal games in full. Switched off the recent Hertz game and Hamburg at home. Sorry just can't watch what's on offer. Not Tony Mowbray's fault and I am not asking for him to be replaced. Who would want the feckin job anyway. What we are seeing at Celtic just now is the result of the downsizing in player quality that has gone on since the MON era. We were lucky to get Naka when we did. The current state of affairs may be down to the budget available or WGS and TM choice of player, or both. It may also be down the fact that no player worth his salt would want to play in the SPL. Make no mistake this a very serious downward spiral for Celtic. Look behond winning the league this year, look to the future and ask will we ever be able to compete in either the Champions or Europa League.

The future is bleak!!!!

All THE QUESTIONS!!!...BUT LITTLE ANSWERS!!

Its been almost 2 years and we are still trying to come to terms with where our Team seem to be going?

1 The good!

The supporters who just want to see a team on the feild be able to respond to our aspirations! Winning the SPL with style and belief and putting in the 90mins of effort required to carry this great club of ours to the new heights that will sustain the memory of so many!

2. The Bad!

Us who regaurd this club and team as OURS! Have for far to long had to sit and pay to watch in silence what has been brought in to wear the hoops!

We all find it funny and a little disappointing to refer to the likes of The Biggins, The Slaters, The McKnights and The Paytons etc, throuhout the decades, But all these teams had their fair share of talented players who we enjoyed also!! But never have we had to stomach the amount of talentless and toothless players we have all seen over the course of the last two years and the last year in particular.

3. The Ugly!

CELTIC PARK..When it will be only 1/3 filled and it has lost the unique atmosphere which for months has been decending to new depts of desperation as we sit and gaze o at what is been served out to us!
We dont ask and bereit for to much..Just a football team that we can call THE CELTIC..One that shows belief and passion with a little quality in the jersey..As A Great man Once Said Celtic jerseys are not for SHRINKING!
The sight of these jresys shrinking in front of us is just to ugly to watch!!

I say Now Mr Reid, Mr Lawell and Mr Desmond...

ENOUGH..IS ENOUGH..IS ENOUGH!! TAKE MORE CARE WITH THE WASHING INSTRUCTIONS...ITS OUR TEAM TO YOU KNOW!!

andybhoy - Google Godwins Law

:)

U2_1888,

"I can't be sure where McDonald was when Samaras shot....."

He was behind the ball, so as you rightly say, cannot be offside.

Last week I posted about Steven Davis goal being onside in similar circumstances, and would be annoyed, but not surprised, if we had been flagged in a similar situation.

Today, I'm annoyed but not surprised.

Mowbray won't be sacked.

It would cost too much in compensation.

If the board sack him it's an admission they appointed the wrong man.

When did the board last admit they'd made a mistake?.

There's no one immediately available and the board won't be wanting to pay compensation to get anyone who is already under contract.

Furthermore sacking a manager after a few months is hardly going to entice someone else to take the gig.

The manager won't be sacked, so either back him or shut up.

U2_1888 on November 8, 2009 7:49 PM
blantyretim,

Do you know why PL was shaking his head?

I know why I was shaking mine.

Read Tiny Tim's post at 7.41pm - it was the guy's he observed who were deserving of more than just a shake of the head.

Celtic is greater than you or I or any of them. Did their actions today enhance Celtic's name? I doubt it."

U2, i suspect they wouldn't even know what enhance meant........

Oisin71,

I thought the referee was good today also.

I thought that linesman was at it. Big time.

West Wales Celt

ThankYou.

TTT

Like yourself, I had high hopes for TM, like you, my hopes are diminishing.

Two things on the board releasing funds to provide more money.

1. Would you trust him with it based on current players he has bought?

2. Are you confident the board will give him more money? If you have no target, you can save your ammunition. I agree with the earlier pound wise/ penny foolish comment by another poster.

I don't see anything changing. That was alluded to at the AGM. It's ok saying we can buy if we sell. To sell, you need to have something to sell that someone actually wants/needs.

If the likes of Birmingham/Middlesboro' really need any of that lot we hope to dispose of, I pity their fortunes as much as I fear for ours.

*penny wise/pound foolish of course.

gebhoy - Cheers. Lets hope the run improves for I am a big enough man to admit it if Tony proves me wrong! And you can hold me to that and gloat to your hearts content should it come to pass :)

Shaunbhoy
All Souls day has just past I did not need to highlight the day to remember.You are being used.Think about it?Why is the poppy now being worn for about a month? Think about it?Slan

RogueLeader,

I like that :-)

Couple of thoughts on the game today :

1. The Falkirk penalty :

Why did heid ( a right footed player) go across himself with his left foot when it would have been easier to go with his right?

Is it just me or did I really see the Falkirk guy jump through the air before his foot made conatct with Caldwell? Is that not "simulation"?

2. Sammi at the end.

My understanding (probably wrong) is that the linesman should not flag until the player who was in the offside position when the ball was played forward actually attempts to play the ball. Samaras was certainly not in an offside position but the linesman flagged either against Skippy when he was not attempting to play the ball or against Sammi who was clearly onside. Either way, he had no right to flag when he did if my interpretation of the rule is correct.

Was the whistle blown before Sammi shot, when he missed the sitter or when Skippy finally went to put the ball in the net? I am unsure but thought it was as Sammi shot.

While Sammi should have buried the chance himself and eliminated the Skippy issue I still have the same unanswered question.
Cheating barsteward of a linesman or an honest mistake for which he will apologise on Monday?

Maybe some of our ref posters could clear this up for me.

I know what I think.

ggh

I watched the game in HD. I wish I hadn't. Where has the football of the first two months gone? What the hell is going on? Like WGS, there seems to be no tactical awareness. No-one knows what anyone else is doing. I though Samaras never gave up today. He didn't hide. Robson was awful,along with McManus, and Hinkel and Fox were no great shakes. Zaluska still looks a very good goalkeeper. N'Guemo was overwhelmed in midfield, and only when ZZ came on was there any reading of the game. McDonald definately has a problem. I think a contact has been made about a move and he's just waiting for the off. Fortune looked lost. McGeady was running up blind alleys as usual. Crosas might have made a difference, I don't know, but there is no spirit. Craig Leveine left early. He already knows what we know from the Rangers game. Celtic have no spirit and no leaders, and can be bullied. So can the management as well. For God's sake fight your corner, or become exposed as a bunch of spineless wimps. The so-called upper echelon are going to lose the club. If they show no fight, why should anyone else take on the burden that should be theirs? I have tortured the Scottish FA with emails over Rangers players getting away with murder. I have had no satisfaction, but I'm going to send a registered letter to them, the Daily Mail sportsdesk, the Times, the Guardian, and anyone else I can think of. I am going to get the names at the Scottish FA, the referees, the decisions, the one-sided reporting, and complain bitterly.

By Auldheid on November 8, 2009 7:51 PM
By p*ddy on November 8, 2009 6:44 PM

Why then did they not sing their songs at the Cenotaph at 11 o clock?

Is it the rememberance they object to or Celtic, who represent all of the support, taking part in rememberance that they object to?

Celtic are like a club with rules that reflect what is good for the membership as a whole . If you sign up to support Celtic you implicity aknowledge the rules of the club and agree to abide by them. Celtic ruled in effect that a minute's silence would take place at Falkirk.

If the principle that makes anyone want to protest so much is so strong for them, the only honourable thing to do would be to recognise that their values and Celtic's are incompatible and withdraw from supporting Celtic, thus removing the need to protest in the vicinity of Celtic and free them to make a more teling protest at say the Cenotaph.

The fault in my argument of course is the use of the word honourable, a concept more marked by its absence than presence by those who willfully broke the silence.

If they really want to change the rules they are free to persuade the support and so Celtic that the rules are wrong and why. This is an argument I suspect they know they are unlikely to win, so why they would wish to associate with a club whose rules and support are such an anathema to them is something they should be asking themselves.

It is also something the majority of Celtic suporters who, for all their legitimate misgivings, do abide by the rules, ARE asking.

Ernie Lynch - "The manager won't be sacked, so either back him or shut up."

Can you explain to me the point in backing somebody who is clearly incapable of doing the job he is being paid to do? What does that achieve?

if you are supporting Mowbray now, after he has had all the time to settle this squad and get them playing, you are doing so out of sheer pigheadedness.

If those results this season belonged to Strachan he would have been tarred and feathered tied to a pole on the Gallowgate.

Look at the results; not your sympathies with a manager.

This guy continues to sink us lower whilst berating everyone but himself.

Mowbray is your worst type of manager: He has a philosophy and sticks with it. Inability to change.

U2_1888 at 7.49

I care about Celtic on the field.

if you are a fan can you honestly saw that you never sung the tunes.?
if you where a kid at the football, we all did.

Peter Lawell has no right to be the judge..neither to you, I or TT..

A chain of thought...

1. The minutes silence is principally to honour those who fought against forces of tyranny.
2. Some people do not wish to respect this. They have a right in a free society so to do.
3. Does that mean they are sympathisers of these evil creeds?
4. If 3 is false, why do they do it? Is it because it is seen as something 'British'.
5. If so, does that make them the racist? Are they similar to those who sing the famine song?
6. It would be good if one of the few who disrupted the silence explained why they did so and in consequence shamed their club and gave ammunition to those who are looking for a story to take the heat off Rangers.
7. Thank you for giving them this ammunition.

oisin 71 / u2 1888

just watched the "highlights" again and I agree - Sammi flagged offside wrongly but...

he DID miss , when he should have scored, and when it broke to MacDonald to score I think he was offside from the first ball. There wouldnt have been enough of a passage of play to create another phase.

Lets face it we should never have been chasing a winner in the 93rd minute against the bottom of the league team.

Herodotus your name intrigues me can you tell me where it comes from?

twisty

i forgot to tell you that i put on 2 goal rush coupons the second is going well ...3 up waiting on Liverpool and Sheff Utd games tomorrow

well worth alook

Jobo baldie

i followed you line yesterday ....ta

Donegal resident

i got that goal rush coupon up yesterday 17-1 @ £10 ..if we ever meet up i owe you a beer ,,cheers

By garygillespieshamstring on November 8, 2009 7:55 PM

I thought it was a clear penalty until I saw the replay. The player made contact with Caldwell not the other way around. I can understand the refere missing it but it looked like a dive to me on replay but not at the time.

By greenlion2Author Profile Page on November 8, 2009 8:00 PM

Greek Historian.

Tiny Tim

thanks for the detail - much appreciated

Hope you and Mrs TT enjoyed the day as best you could

I assume your attending saturdays race night at CP

FANADPATRIOT,
I have formed, over many years, a clear understanding of just why I choose to respect the fallen by wearing a poppy. Please do not presume to tell me that I do not have the wit and intellect to make that choice for myself.
We will just have to agree to disagree I am afraid.

So now it's a Mowbray out week. Fickleness of majority on here is disgraceful. So since I've had the pleasure of joining this blog I've seen, Strachan's crap and everything is his fault, McManus is crap, Caldwell is crap, Wilson is crap, Fox is great and two weeks later crap, McCourt can walk on water and 90 minutes later he's an imposter,Samaras is crap, MAF is great at bringing others into the game now he's crap, Brown's crap, Maloney's crap, N'Guemo is the new Makelele now also crap, Robson is our missing warrior, O'Dea will come back and save the world,McDonald is crap and now finally Mowbray two weeks ago a footballing philosopher now yes you've guessed it crap. And the abuse McGeady on here gets is another disgrace. Wish the people outside the stadium had've had the intelligence to realise how bad we would look with their needless protests, but at this time it's the crap on here that's the most disappointing thing of all. What happened to faithful through and through or are they just empty lyrics to a song.

RogueLeader

A Glib response

Herodotus

"If those results this season belonged to Strachan he would have been tarred and feathered tied to a pole on the Gallowgate"....

at the very least

Let's separate the issues of today

Poppygate - non story - people outside hardly count- were people 100 yards aways observing the silence ? - thought not - ignore and pass on

Performance
Team - abysmal
Manager - clueless

The linesman was bad but anyone who seriously thinks that a Celtic team being paid thousands of pounds per week should need any help to comprehensively destroy a team getting paid a fraction of what they are getting, a team struggling with injuries and languishing at the bootom of the league, is missing their marbles !

The biggest concern to me today was the complete lack of leadership on and off the park.

The problem on the park has been apparent since last Christmas
The manager should have changed things much much quicker
To be outsmarted by a rookie manager ( even if it was with Smith's help )does not augur well for TM

TM is now under real pressure - as is the board
If he is to stay - will they back him sufficiently in January

The lack of organisation,fight and team spirit suggest that many are not playing for the manager

As the old dictum goes " a house divided , will fall "

Big decision time for the board !

PF

I'll pick one up next week. Never seen the goal rush bet online so I need to get down the betting shop.

auldheid
dont disagree but again caldwell tackling with the wrong foot

PF AYR
Great stuff lad! First bit of good news today.

It's quite clear why the chanting went on outside the ground.

There were only 2 turnstiles open, they were provoked by heavy handed stewards waving Union Jacks, and as for the facilites - well have you been to Falkirk ?

The real question to me is, when everyone knew this would happen, why did the "people in charge" (be it Celtic, Falkirk, SPL) give the ned element a forum to besmirch our good name ?

For whatever your views on the rights and wrongs of the issues, that is what has happened.

thomthethim:

It's not your opinion on the wisdom of keeping silent I have a problem with; I have voiced the same opinion.

I think it unfortunate that some fans chose to protest during the commemoration but they have a right to protest.

If I've criticised you for using the term parasite when describing fellow fans twice then, for me, that means you've used the term two times too often.

I don't like the insults that are used on here.

Those insults are made worse by the deletion of a post exposing them while the insults are allowed to stand - pathetic frankly Mr or Mrs silent, unaccountable 'moderator'. Come out, come out whoever you are...

We are told that politics has no place in football so we shouldnt sing any political songs, yet we are force into remembrance day/anti rascist political dogma by our "free" society

Re Peter Lawell shaking his head. I have it on good authority that he was heard to mumble ........

"Whit? No Crosas?"

Donegal Resident
I moan and greet but as I said earlier..

I support Celtic,I am not happy but I will be at Celtic Park for the next game...becase I support Celtic...

Shaunbhoy
Its just that sometimes we cant see the wood for the trees.But agree to disagree,signing off now,my wife is moaning about sitting with no one to talk to or to pour the wine.X-Factor beckons Slan

Many on here are, rightly in my view, condemning the actions of a number of Celtic fans outside the Falkirk stadium earlier today. Some have described their behaviour as some kind of protest, but it is not clear as to the nature of any such protest. Certainly it does not show Celtic FC in a good light. It pails in comparison however to the actions of tens of thousands of Chelsea supporters at Stamford Bridge this afternoon. Following a show of respect by both teams, Chelsea fans, to a man, indulged in a chorus of Rule Britannia, a song written back in 1740. A more inappropriate song you could not have chosen to sing this Remembrance Day in particular, and that was before the minutes silence. Falkirk was an embarrassment caused by the young and the foolish, Stamford Bridge was a disgrace!

blantyretim
Hail hail

auldheid

i don`t think it was a pen

but

Caldwell made it easy for the ref

he should have stepped out to the tackle ...ie taken himself out of the box ...and tackling with the wrong foot ...£20 k a week ..GTF

Drymen

'1. The minutes silence is principally to honour those who fought against forces of tyranny.'

No it isn't.

That would mean it is restricted to commemorating those who died in the second world war.It isn't. It's indiscriminate and includes all those who died fighting for Britain, whatever they were doing.

To a significant section of our support (though admittedly not those from Drymen) their experience of the British Army hasn't been of one fighting against the forces of tyranny.

53

whas it not when the captain came on after 45?...;0)

FANADPATRIOT

When you're talking to her, tell her, Louis Walsh is a total breast of a man

53

Was it " No Crosas" or "No crosses"

Paddy and Aiden couldnt cross themselves at Mass

By Gil Heron on November 8, 2009 7:36 PM

Cheers, I was not trying to be critical. It is just that words are very powerful and should be wielded with care.

(which is not always easy when your keyboard has sticky keys) :)

BT,

It's not about the tunes.

It's about respect for ONE minute.

Or disrespect for those who wish to respect that minute.

We all make judgements, every day.

Celtic's reputation was not enhanced by them today. If you disagree, fair enough.

The Token Tim on November 8, 2009 7:40 PM

Would you trust with money a manager who tactically changes a game to play 5 in the middle against a team who havent won a game in 3 months?

With the tactical change being wholly merited as the same team who hadn't won a game in 3 months had played his team off the park?

Assuming he would be given money in the first place?

-------------

No further comment required beyond than which I offered on 17/10/2009 after the 0-0 at home v Motherwell.

By paddysmarket on November 8, 2009 7:58 PM

Guys I have have been reading the board over the last week and found it most interesting with regards to the views on what would or would not happen at the minutes silence at the Falkirk stadium.
As a fifty something Celtic supporter with unquestionable Celtic roots { my father and his father were both born in the diocese of St Marys Catholic Church in Abercrombie st Glasgow the church that was the rock on which our great club was founded} my-self I attended both mass and school at the other two founding parishes St Andrews {clyde st and St Alphonsus Calton}.Of my four great grandparents three came over to Scotland to escape the famine in Ireland, my grandfathers fought in the great war and my father was called up and served in WW2 alongside at least four of my uncles, Apart from one of my grandfathers who was always very pro Irish in everything there was not a lot of political talk in our family, we were always more intent in just getting by { big familys little money} Although I have to say my father had a deep dislike of the Tory party, that in fact was the only { apart from the Japaneese }time you heard any political talk in our household, and here comes my problem he was a big big Celtic man , he had a family of five boys and after the war all he could ever find work as was labouring yet he always strived to to take one or more of the boys to Celtic Park and cheer on the Bhoys what would he have made of this debate I do not Know, but What I do know is that he would not have fought that war ,unless as he did was called up, I also know that every man that he served beside was his mate his brother irrespective of nationality or creed and would never have a bad word spoken against them, of his five surviving sons three are season ticket holders at Celtic park and have been going there for something like 105 years between them , myself being the most ardent. All I would ask on this forum is that whatever your beliefs on this issue are, is that you articulate them with thought, perspective, respect, and some compassion .

Hail : Hail

I'm afraid that I'll have to take the blame for todays defeat.

Once again my 'With or without you' jinx appeared.

On the way to the wean's swimming gala this morning and the wife reaches over and presses the Radio Clyde button on the car radio.

Cue Bono and then cue me frantically trying to turn it way.

Oh drat! I said ('cause the weans were in the car)looks like we're no' winning today.

Then I remembered, it's only Falkirk, this'll be the day the jinx finally gets put to bed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Anyone know a good Exorcist?

By PF ayr on November 8, 2009 8:08 PM

The guy should never have go that far but Caldwell made it difficult for the ref.

donegal resident via blantytim

another
hail hail

the long wait is over,

Like I said.....just another Hun!

Hi all, quick one
what squad number did bellamy have when he was with us?

I have sat and read all this for a few hours now and my conclusions are simple, everyone at the club is at fault for this fiasco. From the custodians running Celtic like a pawnshop to the overpaid players who should not be allowed in our reserve team nevermind our first.

We as a fan base are impatient generally but this year it is plain to see that many have had it with the lot of them. I do not know one fan who approves of John Reid. This man has either a cheek or a total sense of ignorance with his poppy -wearing. His quips at the AGM towards our rivals were generally pointless. I don't care a jot for them and their predicament and stooping to name calling brought nothing but bad publicity and controversy to our door.

Peter Lawell has done nothing good at the club since his integrity of the competition stance in 2008 when a media and one club in particular wanted new rules to win a league and the unprecedented quadruple (lol). Since then what has he done? Nothing positive in the eyes of the supporters judging by post on here.

Dermot Desmond? Was he at the AGM? Why does he stick around? We are not getting into the Premiership so why does he want to still remain?

Tony Mowbray = Sorry but he is not the man for us for all the reasons stated by other posters. He is making us worse if that is possible. At the Moscow game I turned to my brother and said he will be gone by CHristmas. Now I hope so. I have no faith in him nor MOST of his signings (especially Fortune - a guy that big who gets knocked off the ball constantly is no good).

So what is the future? Well we know what will happen - nothing. The board will do nothing until their hand is forced like they did with John Barnes. We need an INverness - like result. Something to bring down the shockwaves to the boardroom. Then and only then will they act. Knee - jerk reactions are their specialities. Don't believe me? Wait and see.

The only thing we can do is boycott games and stop buying tickets / merchandise but if we do, we hurt the club and whether we like it or not we don't want to do that but times are tough and when you are taken for granted how do you react?

If they act and get rid of Tony Mowbray it MAY improve things but the uncertainty is the problem.

Are we any better then last season? No
Have TM's signings improved the team? No
Do you have confidence in the team? No

Should many of that squad be sold or removed from the premises? AN undoubted YES
Is Aiden McGeady really that good? No and he never will be. I will debate anyone on this guy. Lawrenson was 100% correct about him. I have NEVER RATED HIM and he is one good game 6 poor ones. One good season in 5. Losing him would mean NO major loss in my book provided any money we got for him was properly reinvested.

SHould Artur Boruc be sold? NO. Zaluszka is a decent backup but he has let 2 awful penalties past him in 2 weeks.

A sorry state of affairs.

U21888

Eddie Smith was relegated down the leagues after the JVOH penalty against St Mirren.

j77

47

j77
47 I think.

Is the race night this week? I thought it was the 28th.

ggh

TBFTL

Aye, thanks for that today..

Further proof that Radio Clyde should be avoided at all costs.

EN

tnt, dr, thanks

U2_1888

I have not got involved in the debate this week.

I was in the car today at 11 o clock..
not 1 o clock..or 12.45

Craig Bellamy wore number 47 when he wore the hoops

Hail Hail

GaryG

It better be this week..I'm travelling 600 miles!!

Tiny Tim:

Welcome...

Moderator, please let me know if ever you're thinking of holding a minute's silence SO I CAN SHOUT MA HEED OFF.

Debate by the delete button is not debate it's intellectual cowardice. You are a coward.

There, now look what you've made me do. I've resorted to insults...

Craig Bellamy - best ever number 47

Q - how many goals would he rack up in this league

garygillespieshamstring,

Race night is Saturday 14th - so technically next week I suppose!

twisty

you`ll need to go to Bet Fred

PF,

Darren Bent and his missed pen v Spurs cost me 6 results on the Goals Galore coupon yesterday. Min 33/1 odds.
Was not impressed.

I think it is a great coupon.

HAIL! HAIL!
Token

DrymenAuthor Profile Page on November 8, 2009 7:58 PM

"1. The minutes silence is principally to honour those who fought against forces of tyranny."

No it isn't - the official reason is that it's to remember the people who have died fighting for "Britain".

WW1 - a war for markets. A pointless slaughter.
WW2 - fair enough, they stopped fascism from taking over the world.
Iraq? A war for oil.
Afghanistan? No idea why we're there. We'll end up negotiating with the Taliban so we can leave before long.
Ireland? We're expected to respect the likes of Captain Robert Nairac et al so don't even think about not giving them your minute's silence.

Do we remember all the armed servicemen who created the British Empire by subjugating and slaughtering other peoples? By being forced into "respecting" the heinous as well as the good we are being conditioned into blind acceptance of all their wars. Include me out. We have been the forces of tyranny - it's time that was stopped.

Rouge,

I got no qualms about what your saying.

Your saying anybody than Mowbray. Then give me a name? You must have someone you think would be worthy or worth a shot. If you want rid of TM, then tell us who you want to replace him with.

I wasn't to chuffed with the dropping of Crosas today, however, watching Celtic for me now does not get me angry now. I have witnessed some of thes guys for the past few years now playing that i'm resigned to the fact until they are gone then we won't improve.

There players in that team i cannont stand, been for years now and how they have remained at the club is beyind me.

It was DD choice for manager. CEO only carrying out DD requests. If DD wants Mowbray, DD gets.

Auldheid :

That is how I saw the penalty also. I thought at the time he had gone down quickly but Caldwell gave him the opportunity with his left foot tackle.

However, had we got a penalty in similar circumstances, I am sure the commentary team would have made more of it.

Can the guy get a retrospective booking since he was not spotted by the ref or is that a rule that only affects us as well?

ggh

KrakowBhoy

You posted earlier that you 'hate McGeady' its clear to see that clouds your judgement of the player.

In the games he has missed this season it showed, he is one of the very few players we have who can create.

EN

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/republican-why-irsquom-happy-to-wear-poppy-with-pride-14555648.html

Just thought I would post this in light of the events outside the stadium. Not necessarily for or against this.

Team

A wee bit of research shows some of players who have wore the hoops/been allocated squad numbers since the system was brought in a few years ago.

Hope this is of help, Hail Hail Mouldy67

1

Jonathan Gould
Danny Milosevic
Artur Boruc
2

Tom Boyd
Michael Gray
Stephane Henchoz
Paul Telfer
Andreas Hinkel
3

Stephane Mahe
Momo Sylla
Mo Camara
Lee Naylor
4

Jackie McNamara
Adam Virgo
Stephen McManus
5

Marc Rieper
Joos Valgaeren
Du Wei

Gary Caldwell
6

Alan Stubbs
Bobo Balde
Landry N'Guemo
7

Henrik Larsson
Juninho Paulista
Maciej Żurawski
Scott McDonald
8

Craig Burley
Alan Thompson
Scott Brown
9

Harald Brattbakk
Chris Sutton
Dion Dublin

Kenny Miller
Georgios Samaras
10

Phil O'Donnell
Eyal Berkovic
John Hartson
Jan Vennegoor of Hesselink
Marc-Antoine Fortuné
11

Morten Wieghorst
Stephen Pearson
Paul Hartley
12

Tommy Johnson
David Fernandez
Mark Wilson
13

Simon Donnelly
Shaun Maloney
14

Paul Lambert
Jeremie Aliadiere
Derek Riordan
Niall McGinn
15

Darren Jackson
Bobby Petta
Evander Sno
Milan Misun
16

David Hannah
Oliver Tebily
Ulrik Laursen
Roy Keane

Thomas Gravesen
Willo Flood
17

Enrico Annoni
Ian Wright
Didier Agathe
Steven Pressley
Marc Crosas
18

Tosh McKinley
Neil Lennon
Massimo Donati
19

Malky Mackay

Stilian Petrov
Barry Robson

20

Regi Blinker
Robert Douglas
Jiri Jarosik
Pat McCourt

21

Stewart Kerr
Magnus Hedman
Mark Brown
22
Brian McLaughlin
Stephane Bonnes
David Marshall
Glenn Loovens

23

Andy McCondichie
Dmitri Kharine
Stanislav Varga
Ben Hutchinson
24
Colin Healy
Jean-Joël Perrier Doumbe
Lukasz Zaluska
25
Lubomir Moravcik
Shunsuke Nakamura
26
John Paul McBride
Paul Shields
Javier Sanchez Broto
Cillian Sheridan
27
Mark Burchill
Henri Camara
Jon Paul McGovern
Scott McDonald
Zheng Zhi

28
Barry Elliot
Ryan McCann
29
Fernando De Ornelas

Shaun Maloney
Koki Mizuno

30

Vidar Riseth
Steve Guppy
31
Rafael Scheidt
Anthony McParland
32
Simon Lynch
33
John Convery
Ross Wallace
Chris Killen
34
Alessandro Sanna
Mark Fotheringham
35
Johan Mjallby
Paul Lawson
36
Mark Viduka
Ramon Vega
37
Liam Keogh
Craig Beattie
38
Barry-John Corr
Rocco Quinn
39
Jamie Smith
Charlie Mulgrew
40
Scott Marshall

Stephen Crainey
Michael Gardyne
41
John Kennedy
42
James Goodwin
Michael McGlinchey
43
Liam Miller
Diarmuid O'Carroll
44
Stephen McManus
45
Kevin McBride
James O'Brien
46
Brian McColligan
Aidan McGeady
47
Craig Bellamy
Michael McGovern
48
Darren O'Dea
49
Scott Cuthbert
50

Gary Irvine
Luca Santonocito

51

Nicholas Riley
52

Paul Caddis
53

Simon Ferry
54

Ryan Conroy
55

Paul McGowan
56

Teddy Bjarnason
Mark Millar
59

Charlie Grant
62

Scott Fox

71
Hampden in the Sun

PF

I'll do that.

Cheers

BT

I was in Govan saturday at 3pm at my maws - didnt keep silent

Again today drove past the cenotaph across from St Anthonys where they were having a minute at noon - was talking on my phone ( hands free honest)

Today was in the cambus - talking to the barman during the minute

And when they do it all again in work on wednesday I wont stop what they pay me to do (talk) and will carry on regardless

How many sins have i committed in one week

PF ayr

Agree with you about the decision of the penalty, However as usual Caldwell gets to close to his man and gives the Ref a easy call!

On Caldwell 20k a week demands! did you notice how many times he wasted the ball pumping it up the field to the Falkirk players..8 times in the first half alone amd another 9 in the second half..staggering statistic for a guy whos not worth 20 grand a year!
Caldwell wont be getting any gold rush on that performance!..But i sincerley hope liverpool and sheff utd get you yours!!
Hail! Hail!

Evening

I'm not lomg back in after being away most of the day, so can't comment on the game. But from what I've read we were totally gash.
Between jumping in and out of the car I did catch a few mins of the game and BBC Radio Scotland didn't paint as bleak a picture as you guys! :)
I really miss Celtic TV. You could tune in and watch games played by many of the players we miss so badly and think to yourself that your memory must be playing tricks on you as you rememerb it as The Harlem Globe Trotters, not stolid and mechanical. :)
We need a strong, experienced centre back. Stop leaking goals and the whole thing will click into place.
Even keal until January and all will be rosy in Greenland. :)

TLV

By LaLaguna_Bhoy on November 8, 2009 7:39 PM

I agree. Shorter contracts, less wages aligned to affordability and a clause that if they are able to sign up elsewhere for more than the contracted club can pay, then the contracted club are due a cut from the signiog club, deducted from the player's wages, for giving the player the opportunity/platform to increase his wages elsewhere.

Now THAT'S radical.

PF

If Paul can sort us out id like to pick your Brain if I could.

Be better when you are sober right enough.

Cheers.

Tiny Tim,

Genuine question:

If you and your good wife were unaware that the minute's silence had begun how were the drunk and high neds aware.

Were they very devious clever sorts because your description would not tend to back that up.

If it was indeed deliberate I think it was unwise, but it is not as shocking as some are making out, the world outside Falkirk Stadium at 12.45pm did not fall silent.

The fans who were in the stadium were impeccably behaved as requested by the stadium announcer. I'm not sure if his remit extends to anything outside the ground.

Árd Macha

jinksbhoy @ 8:20

one on Black Sunday would have done for me!

Chavez
for me the minute's silence is not about the governments who have sent young men and women to there death for the glory or otherwise of their dubious causes. It's for those young men and women - it's a respect for them.
just my view

EN

RE MCGEADY

fair enough about his talent

however i for one am fed up with his lack of influence in games

he was playing against an inexperienced backline ...of the worst team in the league

he should have been running riot

instead he was ineffective/ran up his own jacksy/misplaced passes /shooting was dreadful/final ball dreadful ...all of this in between hiding

for a player of his abiity he was an absolute disgrace today after a wonder season 2 years ago his performance levels have plummetted

as for the Derry Pele ...think we saw why he hasn`t made it ,,,shocking

jinkster...

have you lost my number...? ;0)

DAK what BTM's contract details are?

Who really cares what the media write about us,people on this blog are always saying they print lies about us.Just for the record they did murder Aiden McAnespie.

On to the real reason we support Celtic the football,that has to be up there with the worst performance i have ever seen for many a year,God help us if that is our lot(can you say god or is that political)

twists

I'll see if the Proclaimers will write a song just for you..."I'll drive 600 miles for you"

Dubaibhoy

Black Sunday - I was in Dominican Republic - went away thinking that we had won the league after the Buns game. I have still to this day never saw that match or the goals - cant bring myself to yet.

So if Bells missed any chances Im not aware of they fall into the 2 skippy goals that day - in my mind they never happened

Stillindenial.csc

By barcabhoy on November 8, 2009 6:59 PM (previous blog)

I agree. Hunnish behaviour at its worst because it stupidly and wantonly (trade marks of hunnishness) failed to aknowledge the difference between not paying respect and being disrespectful.

If they can be identified then Celtic can and should take steps to not allow them to attend another Celtic game.

Had they stood outside and said nothing I could respect that, for I well understand the emotions behind the reasons for not wanting to take part in the minute's silence.

But once they broke the silence and became disrespectful they lost any right to be treated with respect.

They should face the consequences of their action.

nelsbhoy

no oprobs

Paul has my e-mail and my Mob numbers

nae drink tonight

weekend only last friday and saturday for me

Estadio Nacional

PLease be clear I hate him as a player and if you re - read the original post it is because of his hitting a brick wall / blind alley every week.

It is nothing personal

Auldheid,
There are no reprecussions for the players performing as poorly as they normally do? In any other job you'd be sacked by now!
I agree with your point and would add:
30% targetted earnings for Base Salary
20% targetted earnings for Playing Bonus
50% targetted earnings for Win Bonus

Maybe then they'd focus on what's important...

HailHail
LLB

EDB

Street cred (if I ever had any) aboot to go oot windae but I love the proclaimers stuff.

Sunshine on Leith never off ma drive playlist. Makes the 600 miles seem shorter.

Always said, IF Hibs ever win the Scottish Cup I'm staright into Leith that evening to join the celebrations.

100 years and counting. I hope they do it one day.

I met the proclaimers on a flight to Amsterdam. Great guys.

Paul if you look in I would be obliged if you could supply me with contact answer for PF Ayr.

Thanks...

jinkysboy - grow up or join the scum

PF Ayr

Didnt see the first half today but like many others he did nothing much in the second half. Hes not perfect but in my opinion hes our best player, if someone comes on here and posts that they hate any player then Im going to stick up for them.

EN

Is the formation geting the best out of the players we do have?

Lessons from today.

In the first half the attitude was all wrong. How many of us before the game thought deep down it was a matter of turning up? And do not forget that bad as we were, we missed a penalty, the simplest of rebounds and had a winner chalked off. So even playing at our worst, the game was there for the taking.

Even if we did not think that we only had to turn up, it was pretty clear that the players did. Loose passing, lack of urgency. the sort of thing you get in indoor five a sides when you go 5 goals up.

But apart from that I think we really need to find a formation for the SPL and that formation cannot afford two midfielders/attackers who cannot defend. Today it was McCourt and McGeady. On another day it would have been Maloney and McGeady/McCourt. If today showed as anything it is that we are not going to win any titles playing the beautiful game, because we lack the players with the all round ability to do so.

It also told us that if you want to score goals McDonald starts. It also told us that neither Sammy nor MAF is a striker. So why not find a formation that eliminates both problems? We were faced with it last Feb in the LC final and played McGeady more centrally behind Skippy and made a few chances as I recall.

Free McGeady/McCourt/Maloney from defensive duties because they are realy bad at it and use Sammy/MAF as subs after the opposition have been worn down by actually being opposed.

Now some might say no way should we be playing only one up front in the SPL against the likes of Falkirk, to which I'll say respect every team in the SPL and do what needs to be done to win because if today shows us anything it was that we can not afford to be disrespectful to any SPL team.

Disrespect (that even our support is guilty of) and maybe some reaction to Thursday's game ( I remember even MON's team strugling after midweek games) played a major part today, but we must make ourselves harder to beat by looking at the formation we deploy.

biddulph bhoy on November 8, 2009 8:29 PM

Chavez
for me the minute's silence is not about the governments who have sent young men and women to there death for the glory or otherwise of their dubious causes. It's for those young men and women - it's a respect for them.
just my view

I take your point, mate but Remembrance Sunday is becoming more jingoistic by the year. It's always been a crumb thrown in the direction of the services personnel but it hasn't stopped the wars - it's used to justify them. "You can't pull out of Iraq cos that would mean the soldiers who died there did so in vain" etc. There should be rage against their never-ending wars, not silence.

Here are the facts.

Given that the huns will probably win their GIH: effectively they are top of the league.

We are a car crash wreck of Europe's diddy cup.

We have scraped a draw to the bottom side of the league.

We have a manger who admires the bottom side of the league's managers 'footballing philosophy'.

Oh furfooksakes.

biddulph bhoy on November 8, 2009 8:29 PM

Chavez
for me the minute's silence is not about the governments who have sent young men and women to there death for the glory or otherwise of their dubious causes. It's for those young men and women - it's a respect for them.
just my view

I take your point, mate but Remembrance Sunday is becoming more jingoistic by the year. It's always been a crumb thrown in the direction of the services personnel but it hasn't stopped the wars - it's used to justify them. "You can't pull out of Iraq cos that would mean the soldiers who died there did so in vain" etc. There should be rage against their never-ending wars, not silence.

St patricks boy

WTF you on about

maybe its you thats that the scum

that was painful again and i never ever thought id think this...
i cant watch that lot anymore.

i put a lot of time money and effort into watching and supporting celtic like the rest of you but right now is hitting the darkest
spot.
its the same suspects to be honest but the whole team is rotten to the core.
the sweetness and light AGM passed by without any utterance
and the board members roll on happy with their shocking performances over the last 2/3 years with no-one to answer to.
scunnered and disgusted with the lot of them but they dont care what you or I think or want. that is patantly obvious

SACK THE BOARD

they are and have been failing us

chavez
I completely understand and dont disagree but the lambs (to the slaugther) deserve our respect

P8ddy, diatribe on previous thread.....

If you are seriously comfortable comparing those clowns with Rosa Parks and defending their behavior as freedom of speech (even if it was, is a Celtic match the appropriate place for it?) then I give up, you win this debate.

I can't compete with that "logic".

Herodotus

Do you come on here just for bad news?

I suggest you look up the meaning of the word Fact and then check your personal statements that are not infact "facts"!!!

Still top of the league.. don't now how though!

CRC

No chance bona fide Celtic man for nearly sixty years,go look in the mirror.

By Herodotus on November 8, 2009 8:38 PM

Here are the facts .

Given that the huns will probably win their GIH: effectively they are top of the league.

Spot the flaw?

CRC

Did you get my mail today - looking for another ticket for Kanos night

When was the last time we got a good result before an International week?

Cant think of any.

TOKEN

i was in The Vaults last night ...Guinness was excellent as ever

davie hay

i think i`ll have to get back to getting blootered before games ...it really is dire

Where did the bloody game in hand come from?

PF ayr

I didn't see the game today but even so it seems a bit unfair to label Aiden as a disgrace. I suspect that comes from your genuine desire to see him excell in the Hoops and sadly that isn't happening often enough for many these days.

Maybe disappointment could replace disgrace.

Just my opinion of course.

The Dundee UTD game that was abandonned

Today was disgusting enuf on the surface being largely outplayed by no wins all season and only 2 home goals all season Falkirk before the TV commentator added that Falkirk were playing without 7 (SEVEN) first team players today.
Sorry Tony, nice guy, 3 months, dismal record 'specially at (fortress) Celtic park, lost the dressing room, spent £6m circa on new recruits and honestly the only area of the park that you can say that has def. been strengthened is left back which you could hardly have failed to do. NOT GOOD ENUF

St Paddy

Im assuming that last pot was directed at me - and given that I had never conversed with you prior to your attack on me there I will assume senility has set in with you

You still didnt explain your comment - maybe stop looking in the mirror and look on the screen

rt rev
i can see you are angry but i have read your posts with interest - you care too much - its in your blood -
we dont care if we win loose or draw.....

Donegal resident

Those comments are so near to my own feelings that I could've written them myself, other than the fact that I am second generation Irish rather than born in the republic.

Go on that man

EDB

my statement is based upon his impact on the game

having regard to the standard of the opposition

effort put in

and his indeniable ability

today we played a very poor team ,he didn`t appear to try a leg and was totally ineffective

therefore imo ...disgrace

he was no worse than eg Robson but he appeared to have a go and his ability is nowhere near that of McGeady`s

To reprise a debate from a few Fridays ago - we really, really need to sign a captain.

Doesn't matter where he plays (we need to strengthen in all areas after all), but we desparately need a leader.

I used to play for a team where the culture was to crucify every team member for every mistake. It became a self fulfilling prophesy, you inevitably played worse. It looks like the current Celtic team has a large streak of this running through it.

We need to pay a lot of money and sign a captain who will be able to lead the team.

rt rev
of course i meant lose not loose or looking at our defense..?

Paul67 "An assistant referee flagged Samaras offside when he and McDonald were clean through on 92 minutes despite the Greek striker being two yards onside."

Yeah he did flag incorrectly...not that it mattered cause he made a mess of it, McDonad however was miles offside so even if he stuck the ball in it would have been ruled out.
And while Samaras made a cow of it for the second Falkirk goal we shouldn't over look the contribution Barry Robson made to their equaliser with an insane cross field ball that took us from a relatively comfortable position to one of weakness.
Of the 14 players we had on show today I would give possibly two pass marks; Fox and McDonald. Keeper should have done better with the penalty, central defence was a shambles, midfield weak, McGeady - nightmare, McCourt - worse, Fortune - better than Sheridan? no. Samaras was full of running in tha same way that a young labrador is.
The similarity to the Barnes season is becoming uncomfortably real, when things work and the opposition and accomodating, as Kilie were last week, it looks great. But if the opposition are in in ours faces we have no answer.
And as for that penalty from McGeady - pitiful, especially the follow up. Utterly inept.
Not a great day.

Auldheid

You'll be aware that the Green Brigade are getting a hammering on KDS tonight. Rightly or wrongly.

Posters there reckon they were involved in the singing outside the ground pre kick off.

Grateful if UTLR would clarify this.

Louis Walsh trying to pretend he has a couple of winners while they two destroy my will to live makes me boak

By Gil Heron on November 8, 2009 7:36 PM

° Spot on. These "fans" (so called), contribute nothing to the Celtic family. If they wish to protest, they need to choose another venue.Their ignorant chants have nothing to do with CFC. They just provide the redtops with ammunition to do us down. Neds!

GFG

boy - crawl back under your stone for the next two weeks.If I need to explain my comment you are even thicker than I assumed.Past an old chaps bedtime,maybe one day your hatred and bigotry will mellow and you can join the human race and have some respect for the dead.

Aidan McAnespie (1965–21 February, 1988) was an Irish Catholic who was killed in contested circumstances by a bullet from a heavy machine-gun held by a soldier at Aughnacloy border checkpoint in County Tyrone, Northern Ireland during The Troubles.[1]

McAnespie, a member of Aghaloo gaelic football club, was travelling to a match when he was killed.[2] He had previously claimed that he had been threatened by the security forces.[3] According to his sister, British soldiers had threatened to kill him on several occasions.[4] The army claimed McAnespie had been hit by a ricochet when the weapon had discharged accidentally as the soldier was moving the gun with wet hands. Charges were initially brought against Grenadier Guard Jonathan Holden for manslaughter but were dropped prior to prosecution.[5] He was fined for negligent discharge of the weapon and in 1990 was given a medical discharge.[6]

The day after the killing, the Irish Government appointed Garda Deputy Commissioner Eugene Crowley to investigate the incident.[3] The results of the investigation were received by the Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform Gerry Collins on 8 April 1988, but have never been published.[7][8] A Royal Ulster Constabulary investigation also took place which concluded that the killing was accidental.[9]

McAnespie's family allege a cover-up by the British state, as they believe that an accidental discharge from 300 metres away seems highly unlikely.[10] His father in an article printed in the Observer Magazine - 13 March 1994 - said that a soldier had stopped him some fifteen months before the shooting and told him I've a bullet here in the gun for your son Aidan [6]

Tablet erected at spot where McAnespie was killed.The Catholic Primate of All Ireland Cardinal Tomas Ó Fiaich and Dr. Mick Loftus, the President of the Gaelic Athletic Association, have both described McAnespie's death as murder.[5]

A song, Aidan McAnespie, dedicated to his memory, has been sung by soccer fans at Celtic Park, the home of Scottish club Celtic F.C..[11][12][13] The largest Gaelic football club in Boston, Massachusetts is named in his memory.[14]

In February 2008, Aghaloo O'Neills Gaelic Athletic Association club hosted a weekend of Gaelic football and cultural events to mark the 20th anniversary of the death of Aidan McAnespie who was shot by a British soldier as he walked to attend a game at the club grounds on February 21, 1988.[15]

In October 2008, a Police Service of Northern Ireland investigation concluded that "the likelihood of a British Army's version of events is so remote that it should be disregarded." The report stated that the gun required 9 lbs of pressure to pull the trigger, and that the soldier's account of the events were highly unlikely. It further stated that the chances of this combined with hitting McAnespie by accident as "so remote as to be virtually disregarded".[16

Celtic and irish history go hand in hand,agree with tinytim the people singing probally don`t have a clue,but like it or not its a part of the celtic way.Pl can shake his head but STILL lets the pa belt out(LET THE PEOPLE SING).

Chaplin

Does Walsh manage caldwell and McManus

twists

Hope you didn't mind the wee wind up:o)

bandswagonesqu
good point - the captain should always be the first player on the teamsheet - Mcmanus, Caldwell .. ??

Ok old boy - sleep tight in your twisted little mind

EDB

thought this interesting, real time from inside the ground in the Celtic end

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nG6dbz2bvEA

makes you wonder where the microphones for radio and TV where located.

anyway if you want hysterics KDS is the place to go.

UC

EDB

undeniable ..even

So what's the bigger of the two crimes? To oblige anyone chosen to play today to wear a poppy, or, to protest against those of a mind-set to think up such a bizarre tribute? Eventually, it all comes back to the Celtic board who rolled over and accepted this poppy-cock. The quicker every Celtic fan realises that they'll write crap about us anyway, the quicker we can stop trying to be media friendly.

By LaLaguna_Bhoy on November 8, 2009 8:34 PM #

The world of professional football requires a root and branch clean up or revolution.
I calculated that to earn the equivalent of £40k a year over 40 years, a footballer should earn no more than £2k a week over a 15 year career.

Bill Shankly once said football is a form of Socialism and despite the trend to making it subject to market forces, it still inherently is.

It is a closed system where every footballer no matter how good they are depends on another footballer for a living. Every club likewise, so roll on the revolution when the peasants take back the game.

(nearly typed pheasants - who ARE game) :)

Aiden is playing like someone who believes his teammates aren't capable.....he is taking too much on his own shoulders

he's a good player, maybe even a very good one....he needs good players working in sync with him

Do the huns have a GIH? Whitever that is.

Herodotus......try harder.

EDB
:-))

AndyM

pass marks to Fox

opinions are your own but FFS he was absolutely atrocious

ElDiegoBhoy on November 8, 2009 8:52 PM

UTLR was on a few articles ago to inform us that the GB were not attending the game today.

The drunken neds singing outside the ground WERE NOT Green Brigade.

HH

Re:McGeady

Look

He has been built into this mythical player by some people and he offers little to nothing far too frequently. He is not that good. I cannot bear watching him do that same trick and lose it constantly. He was taken off with half an hour to go in Hamburg and I thought that was to keep him for Sunday but look at the way he played. A good game against Killie at CP is all too rare. He cannot cross the ball well or consistently and don't get me started on that penalty today.

He simply is not that good and I am sick of him being lauded up to high heaven by some on here and even the media. In big games he fails to deliver with alarming regularity.

Some people may feel I am singling him out well yeah, of course I am. He is recognised as being our most creative player by many and HE DOESN'T do it often enough. He deserves criticism.

Barcabhoy

Im not sure how good Aiden is but Im pretty sure of one thing - he has peaked at Celtic. Either thats all he has or he has to move to play with better players to fulfil any potential he has left.

cant see us signing better players to help improve him at CP

Auld Heid

Well said. Facism at its best!

Dreadful display today. No excuses- not the midweek game, not the lack of transfer windows to reach TM's ideal team. We are lacking confidence and motivation.

Something has to change. For me, the executive directors of the Plc..... need a change of Plc. The men at the top have gone stale.

Poor Tony Mowbray, a decent man and a decent manager, but not the man to lead Celtic at this moment in time, ie under the current regime.

Most Celtic supporters know the January transfer debacle seriously damaged the club. Decisions since have not plugged the hole. Sooner or later Tony will become the fall-guy and someone else will take on the task of reconciling the ambitions of Plc, Staff and supporters. Whoever it be, the manager must be strong enough to convince the Plc of the error of their ways.

You may well shake your head Peter, My head is shaking as well.

God Bless Celtic

Carrot1969:

There is an irony there, that's for sure.

UC:

Interesting but I haven't heard the radio / tv version. Do you have a link?

Herodotus @ 8.31pm
Why do you want to know that?
None of your business should be the gut reaction.
How would any of us know should be another.

vmhan

I recall his post and I'M NOT SAYING THE GB WERE PART OF THE PROBLEM TODAY BUT READ THE POSTS ON KDS TONIGHT. MANY POSTERS RECKON THEY WERE PART OF THE PROBLEM TODAY.

So that's alright then.

Do you honestly believe the GB guys weren't there today? Why shouldn't they be there? According to many they were there and couldn't/wouldn't behave.

I have an open mind on this but who is leaping to their defence?

By TinyTim on November 8, 2009 7:41 PM

Best post I've read on her mate, thanks.
Answers a whole load of questions I had about today.

WWC

it is on newsnow scotzine.com

UC

WWC
Sorry to come back on the subject, but what was it that you wrote that you think caused you to be deleted.

If it was in reply to one of my posts, then I'm afraid I missed it, as I've been watching the Spanish fitba' and only making infrequent visits to the blog.

If you feel that I have personally insulted you, then please accept my apologies.

However, in my book, if an organism attaches itself to another organism, for the benefit of the first and the detriment of the second,then I call it a parasite.

What do you call it? An Australian visitor. :>) (that's meant to be a joke and no offence meant to our Antipodean friends.)

Back to Sevilla v Villarreal.

EDB

as we spoke about last night..

let he is without sin...

we can't blame the UTLR/GB or whatever

Celtic where rubbish today...nothing else matters...

those fans didn't take the field...

Ulster_Celt

Thanks for that clip.

Correct me if im wrong was there not a green night recently where funds were going towards the kano fund(very worthy cause).My point is people will go there and sing about britsh soliders getting killed,is that ok because its behind closed doors.

UlsterCelt thanks for posting that its good to know the fans inside the ground observed and those who did not want to observe stayed outside.

Hail Hail
God Bless Kano

When i. bugger it, i was going to mone but it wont really make a difference. i hope we get what we need on thursday. Hail hail

Carrot

I wouldnt make assumptions at what was sung or not at such a night

If Tony Mowbray was 8 points adrift of the league leaders then we could think about replacing him.... as obviously something would be wrong.

The club is a different thing though. I get the impression that too many new Hoops players sense the grandness of Celtic but are bewildered by its idiosincracies. Neverthelss people like Tony Mowbray will know more about Celtic than Martin O´Neill and Gordon Strachan combined. Next to him is another who knows even more, Peter Grant, who gave his all for Celtic at a time when he was often villified and abused for his stance. We all need to build up Celtic player types and the board needs to help them, by when the poppy wearing warmongers trot out accusations and suspicions about our support, our guardians spell out clearly what Celtic football club is about and to set our own media agenda of what can be done to improve Scottish football (lol).

And I can´t help it but I´m still rooting for Aiden...
Remember the old rock song. "You don´t know what you got until you lose it...."

By ElDiegoBhoy on November 8, 2009 8:52 PM

I headed for saner climes a couple of hours ago but if the GB were responsible (and it does sound organised) they have just handed Celtic the biggest stick to beat them with since Goliath dropped his after being stoned by David.

The argument is not about not paying respect, many have chosen for good personal reasons not to do that, the argument is about being disrespectful, not just to the dead, but to Celtic and the large numbers of their support whom Celtic represent.

As I said in response to p*ddy's argument if anyone feels so strongly about a minutes silence for something they do not believe in fine, but why associate yourself with an organisation (Celtic) that does not share the same value? Find your own niche and do not try and occupy Celtic's.

They can protest and be disrespectful in the process all they like, but not under the Celtic umbrella. Had they just stood outside in silence, that in itself would have made their point in a respectful manner but their action today blew away any right to be treated with respect.

rimtimtim

The same thing could be said about WGS and Naka who we do genuinely miss and who was often the difference between 1 point and 3

rimtimtim

sorry mate McGeady is not good enough. we played falkirk today, didn't you notice?

PF ayr - pass marks were on the basis of winning the penalty and making the second. As I was typing I remembered his howler at the end which got him booked, but I gave him the benefit of the doubt.

I'm with KrakowBhoy as far as McGeady goes - he had one positive contribution today; the pass to Samaras for our third goal. Lost count of the number of times he lost the ball weakly or let the Falkirk full back tank past him. We might talk about punting him but realistically who would buy him? Birmingham? Hull? The game's a bogey for him unless he knuckles down, doesn't try the same trick every time and of course LOSSES A STONE IN WEIGHT!! When was the last time he out paced a defender? League Cup final perhaps and even that was a rarity. The last time I saw it regularly was 07-08, since then he seems have figured he'd made it and didn't have to work so hard at his game. Big mistake, as is the decision to give him a first tema jersey.

jinkysboy on November 8, 2009 9:13 PM

True mate could have been a Daniel O`Donnell night for all i know but i thing the name of the band gave it away,im not having a go mate i love a good green night.

I haven't seen all of our games this season, but that's the worst I've seen Celtic play for some time. And let's face it the form hasn't exactly been sparkling has it. The most worrying thing is that there doesn't seem to be any fight or team spirit on the pitch.

ElDiegoBhoy on November 8, 2009 9:04 PM

You saw UTLT's post, ok amigo.

I believe they did not attend as a group, but have no evidence to back it up, so as you say, over to UTLR for info..

Hail Hail

divide and conquer is alive and well in old perfidious albion.

BTW

WE ARE CRAP...

NOTHING WRONG WITH SAYING IT...

TRUTH HURTS, AND IT IS HURTING SO..

Let's get something clear here, is anybody really saying that the people outside the stadium today at 1 minute to kick off did not realise there was a silence being held.

blantyretim

I'm not long in from the boozer but I'm a bit confused about what you're inferring of Peter Lawwell, are you genuinely saying he should not have shown any emotion when Celtic fans were singing while the silence was being observed inside the stadium?

Jamsie

I wasn't at the match..from what has been said, the fans inside the stadium did nothing wrong...

vale bhoy

Are you an ex St Pat's Dumbarton? Naw, too young. OLSP likely.

Fascism not Facism. Catholic schools:o)

BT

Stop shouting - theres old guys sleeping here and even with medication you maybe wake them up

UC.

Thanks for the clip. I'm sure this has been posted before - David Begg on Radio Scotland stated " The minute's silence was observed impeccably inside the stadium".

IMPECCABLY. That's what the man said.

That my friends is all Celtic as a club can be responsible for.

Tomorrow's redtops might make some reference to the "singing in the streets". But it'll hardly hit the silly heights it has here.

Ignore it

The team on the park on the other hand, there is something we should be discussing...

blantyretim

You didn't answer my question!

Now heres a thought - given that the Westfield stadium has the car parks right behind the stand - if some sneaky people decided to sit in their cars there and blast their hoooters about 12.44 today would that be out of order too.

Minx1888

Good to see you posting. How are you?

thomtethim:

You didn't insult me so no need for an apology.

I am aware of the definition of a parasite.

It is not a term that should be levelled at those who exercise a right to protest (even if we wish they hadn't).

You might level it at some head-shaking, highly-paid officials who are happy to play the song, take the money but not apply the principle.

What I wrote was a parody of the insults that many posters have used tonight.

I find it bizarre in the extreme that a parody should be deleted when those who scatter insults are deemed acceptable.

Modern 'moderators'....rubbish

Maybe people should have been silent from 12.30 onwards just in case like...

Árd Macha

By carrot1969 on November 8, 2009 8:31 PM

I agree that the media should not be the yardstick by which we allow ourselves to be judged.

We should set our own yardstick to be the very best (or not) of ourselves, dance to the beat of our own drum.

Whether that is upbeat or downbeat is our choice, but of one thing you can be sure, the world will play the same beat back to you and you will dance to that tune.

Jamsie

see the posts above..

my point is that Peter No fekall thinks that he,
because he makes money from Celtic knows all..

he is an employee, he should remember....

if he reads this site, why is,are there no Celtic people going to the Kano night....?

jinkysboy

Are you for real?

How can we possibly try and take the high ground when we can keep coming out with excuses for people who cannot keep their mouths shut for 60 seconds?

Ard Macha.

Or not farted?

Haven't had the time to read all the posts today but one or two stood out.

Thomthethim,

Hello my friend. As you know we do not agree about everything but you may have inadvertantly come up with a statement today which will be seized upon by the T-shirt makers. I thought my 'Nacho Novo is a Hun' was no bad but when you state that Celtic is not the football wing of the IRA, well I can just see the shirts being printed right now in contradiction of that.

West Wales Celt,

Regarding no explanation for your deleted post here is a wee rhyme for you.

Avoiding deletion on Celtic Quick News
By Mods and Bodyguards,
It's not what you say that counts
But how you play your cards.

Some may agree or disagree with the rebel song sung outside the Falkirk Stadium today but surely we all must conclude the choice of Aiden McAnespie was extremely appropriate.

And what if there had been no protest, but only compliance with the Brit poppy fascism ? Many of course would have been delighted including John Reid as amonst other things it would have given him the go ahead for the same next year and the year after that. But would many in the Celtic Parish throughout the world not feel just a tiny bit cheated ? Would they have turned to their weans and grandweans and said, 'Ach, in my day we would have stood up to this. Ah used to stand in the Jungle, ye know.'

By the bye, I have noticed that the Jungle is taking on the same status as the GPO in 1916 Dublin. It used to be that years afterwards millions told the story that they were in the GPO in '16. Now millions are saying they used to stand in the Jungle. That will be the same millions I suppose who were calling radio stations to say they were at the Rapid Vienna game in 1984.

Anyway after today's result I'm betting the Celtic establishment give out more of the same line we were fed at the AGM. So everyone clap and sing, 'Let's all laugh at Rangers..Let's all laugh at Rangers.' There ! Feeling better now ?

White poppies for 2010.

BT

Rephrase please - theres loads of celtic people going to the Kano night - real Celtic players of yesteryear and real celtic diehards.

53

some of our support seemhell bent on finding things to be outraged at on a dailly basis.

as you say the BBC of all organisations stated it was impeccably observed from inside the ground, therefore those supporters did us proud.

but I am sure you have been to many an away game so you will recognise the scene, it was reported there where as many as 1000 outside trying to get in, a few teenagers with a couple of drinks in them eagerly awaiting entry to a match where having a sing song.

whats the world coming too, a disgrace to Celtic they say.

give my head peace!

UC

Jamsie
what is the question..

ask peter lawell or john reid?

TinyTim 7.33, you are very wrong........

best post by far is yours describing your experience of the minute's silence outside the ground.

after that ANY post by barcabhoy usually wins post of the day.

We all want what is best for the tic, we all usually disagree on how to accomplish that but the buckie bhoy neds that go to our away games dont have the best interests of the club at heart.

Can you imagine what Brother Walfrid, jock stein or Tommy Burns would say to them?

as i paraphrased before 'a continuous embarrassement and an occasional disgrace'

Jinkster

I know of only 2 who are going...

Another cheating masterclass witnessed today from the officials, no protection and every 60%/40% went to falkirk, we didnt play too well, but theres still the authority to beat, no justice here. Does a yellow card make you immune from further sanction ?

Jamsie

Who makes the rules now

maybe its you

I asked the Q earlier - is it a criminal offence not to adhere to a minutes silence. How many were arrested outside the westfield

get off your high horse - tell me you never sang a rebel song and you also resepct ALL others opinions on how you should conduct yourself in their opinions

Ulster Celt,

CS gas the huns.

EDB
J-- you should know better than to fall into the trap. It is everyone's right in a democracy to express their feelings. Orange marches in Dumbarton? Don't join ffs.

BTW

going for no money....

ask the real celtic men? how much ?

Anyway much more important is that Curly and his lovely bride haven't posted over the weekend.

Hmmmmmmmmmmm. Wonder what they're up to LOL.

BT

2 ex players - both REAL Celts.

Lots of REAL Celts who belive in the foundations of the club

Who needs the current incumbents of both jerseys and positions there - this was all oen without their support anyways

Auldheid

Surely if someone was genuinely concerned about honouring the war dead they wouldn't have been anywhere near a football ground today, they would have been at a remembrance day ceremony?

Just switched on my phone to 7 messages (6 from Huns , one from a Preston fan) about the minutes silence or otherwise.

I couldn't care less how the media report this, or how they use it as a stick to beat us with, it embarrases me personally, as I am known to them as a passionate Celtic fan.

As an add on to the comments abover, those supporting the loud vocal disruption, you have lost the right to promote Celtic moving to the EPL or a Euro league, if you ever did.

I want us to move beyine Scotland to realise our full potential in the modern football world. We cant do this in SCotland. It would seem, however that our fans (some, not all) are not ready for this.

gallowgate

A bit extreme, no? :-)

disbandification will suffice

UC

UC

Its been a few years since I was at an away match but I know exactly what you mean.

Given the circumstances I was outrageously proud of our support today. Its apity some posters can't focus on the positive. But I've my own feelings on that. It wouldn't be wise to share them on this blog.

53

well done to everyone who bit.

Ulster Celt.

I'm standing shoulder to shoulder with the good men of the Unirea stewards. :-)

Lurgan53

'Celtic is not the football wing of the IRA'

Paisley used to describe Celtic as the athletic wing of the IRA.

One thing's for sure. If they were they wouldn't be playing the way they are. Something would be done.

What that GIH that Rangers are going to win is? Not easy to be an foreigner on the football blog.
Is that Gold In Haiku at the end of the season?

Jinkysboy

anybody who knows me will tell you my repertoire of songs is universal, but all week we have been asking every Celtic supporter going to Falkirk today to not break the 1 minutes silence, that some felt they couldn't keep that is beyond me.

We cannot laugh at the excuses that keep coming from the huns mouths on their behaviour if we keep making excuses when we don't adhere to what is being asked of us.

blantyretim

Are you so certain that no Celtic officials will come along?

To be fair to them they needn't tell us in advance.

Before I post this, my apologies to anyone who is offended by this - but there is a minority who follow Glasgow Celtic over in this part of the woods for all the wrong reasons. Absolutely nothing to do with football. I grew up with my da taking me to Derry City games and over to see as he called it "the magical hoops". Always felt like I was witnessing something special when seeing the bhoys play. These people I will call them run around with things like "bobby sands" and "1916" on the backs of their tops. Any riots in town they use their top as a bloody uniform. They could hardly name a player. These people are the problem. I am not in any way being derogotry towards any Irish hero but the back of a Celtic top is hardly the place to commemorate their efforts.

Wasn't at the game. Didn't see the game. Didn't hear the game.

So can someone confirm that those in the ground observed the silence?

EDB

are you certain that we will have them attend?

gallowgate:

never did know when to stick...

Ernie, UC, 53, valebhoy, etc:

nice to see a bit more of a considered response

Ernie Lynch

The debate is not about whether you or I or anyone else honours the war dead.

The debate is about the fact that certain fans chose to use the club as the medium to express their views and the fact that they chose to ignore the club's and ,I suspect , the majority of the fans' wish that they didnt.

Yours in Celtic.

TLWIO

UC/Lurgan53,

Quite right bhoys. I was once one of those teenagers...a long time ago.

By the way the british queen also had some cheek laying a wreath at the cenotaph today. Wasn't it her relatives...2 cousins in a turf war which started WW1. A wee story below might clarify the royals' role.

We should remember the tremendous contribution of the Queen Mother to the war effort: as the BBC pointed out, she 'bravely remained in London beside her husband' during the war. This contrasts sharply with the actions of my grandfather who, on the declaration of war immediately left his wife and children and pissed off, first to France, then North
Africa, Italy, France (again) and finally Germany. The shame will always be with us.

:))

Árd Macha

shocking display by the team today - lacklustre and has as already been said a lack of cohesion and togetherness- truly woeful

Earlier today at 10 o'clock mass the entire congregation observed 1 mins silence followed by and unbelievable chorus of 'Abide With Me' --the emotion in the singing was tangible

I then went to watch the game in the town of Fleet -there were about 20 english guys (2 other celts who had been at mass earlier ) I was asked by a guy who was from nearby Sandhurst if it was true that the celtic fans would disrupt the min silence --I explained that there was a slight chance that some fools would seek to disrupt the silence but they were on the extreme fringes of the support and no more than hate fuelled scumbags..the overwhelming Celtic support would not tolerate them doing anything to disgrace the minute silence - the other two guys nodded their agreement

but it was clear that we were being judged and the moment of truth was almost upon us at 12:45 -

I felt a great pride as a Celtic fan - poppy on the shirt -silence and complete respect silence in the ground - our great support had shown it's class and nods of approval all around with a sense of relief from the 3 celts and some extremely complimentary comments about Celtic and how well the club were repected in general

i was only mildly concerned to learn that beeb scotland had managed to pick up the strains of a few despicable low life morons trying ther best to make a show for circling gutter press

we all know the type - horrible little worthless wasters never achieved anything and will never amount to anything -damn them to hell

Well done the mighty Celtic support - greatness personified

ps the neutrals all thought it was a superb game --arrgghh

Ernie Lynch

Every report I've seen or heard has stated the minutes silence was observed impeccably inside the stadium.

Night bhoys/ghirls..

no game for a couple of weeks...

keep the faith..

Can we not stop the insults on this site?

It really is tedious when posters can't make a point without resort to calling people 'hate-fuelled scum-bags'.

Donegal resident

I am a serial offender when it comes to irrelevant posting and make no apologies for it. I revel in "slowing" the game on here, no doubt to the chagrin of some of the more thoughtful, douce posters but what point are you making with your last post, and to what end?

I'm not having a go ( really), I just want to understand the motivation behind it.

Yours In Celtic

re the playing on thursday excuse, Ill give you an example of what the human can put up with

One of my friends and his mate did the first ascent of the North East Ridge of Ama Dablam in the Himalaya, now this last great problem in this range had often been tried but never any successful ascents. The two lads spent a month on the very technical ridge, climbing it alipne style i.e just the two of them and all their equipment on their backs in their rucksacks. Now after many days and weeks on this ridge they ran out of food a full 3 days before the summit. The way they had come was a months worth of climbing, so their only option w3as to keep climbing the ridge to the summit. They managed this, but then they still had to descend the 'easy' route to safety, that is at least 2 days worth of climing itself. This was done without oxygen. so 5 days without food, at altitude and serious technical climbing.

Now I ask you, what excuse do our players have? they are highly paid professional athletes who at the very most are asked to play competative football for 180 minutes in a week.

If they are not fit enough, then they should become fit enough, if they are not motivated enough then they should be motivated or dropped.

EDB I am good thanks in spite of my team are you and Mrs EDB going next Sat? Will be good to catch up.

Our teams performance today was awful got a few guys at work that are Falkirk fans they had been saying all week we would take 5 or 6 of them. I told them honestly I thought they would take something I hate it when I am right esp about Celtic being mince!!

blantyretim

I'm not certain they'll be there. Anyway I'd like them to come along cos they want to rather than being forced to come along.

bankiebhoy1

slowing the game? Nah...
Your wit is warp speed.

Did you have stew this weekend?

mountain bhoy

tiredness was no excuse for today

we played in Germany on Thursday FFS

lazy/overpaid/disinterested feckers,,,....tired my erchie

ElDiego Bhoy 8.52pm and 9.04pm

For some reason our group is being blamed on whatever happened outside the stadium on the KDS forum.

The Green Brigade stated on various forums (our own , Celtic minded and the Huddleboard) on Wed that we would not be attending the game today.

When i returned from Hamburg i posted on CQN about us not attending.

There were a few courses of actions open to us today, but in the end we decided to stay away. This is only the 2nd time that the group have not been represented at a competitive match since our formation (the other being Dynamo Moscow away due to the Harry Hynds trip being pulled).

For us as an ultra group, not to have our group banner and no representation at a game, is a big big thing.

We attempted to explain to the support that we would not be attending, as we knew that if there was any hassle we would get the blame.

It seems to be the case that this is what some are attempting to do.

I believe that those who have seen us at games home and away will know that today was nothing to do with us.

Incidentally we are upset more with the issue of the poppies on the jersey, rather than any minutes silence.

Anyone asserting that we've all sung the rebels wants to get out and meet some new people.

I've already asked this - does anyone know if Andreas Hinkel had any objections to wearing a poppy on his shirt commemorating the British war dead today, or last year? Did Shunsuke Nakamura? Has anyone blamed Paddy McCourt's terrible showing today on his being forced to wear one?

Someone earlier said no-one should have to remain silent during the minute's silence, freedom of speech and all that. I presume you were all in favour of Hearts booing the minute's silence when Pope John Paul II died, Barcelona fans during the post-Madrid silence, etc, and wouldn't have objected to anyone yapping on the phone to their mates had a silence been the method of remembering the lives of Phil O'Donnell, Jimmy Johnstone, Tommy Burns...

Minx1888

Just confirmed with GordonJ that we'll be there next weekend.

Mrs EDB is driving....back.

It's going to be a great night.

God Bless Kano and his wonderful family.

PJ

Dinner was Poulet Basquaise ( just had two "Desperate Dan" size portions!) Tasty hearty food and expertly made If i do say so meself, just right for today as it is freezin' in Cork (absolutely Baltic!)

When you and the troops come over i'll make it for you but you'll need to stash some piment d'esplette into your suitcase as I couldnae find it anywhere in Cork!

Oh, and we won't be at the race night on Saturday, because I will be sitting in a bar in the sunshine of the Costa Del Sol (well, dark at that time, rather than sunshine, but it'll be warmer than the East End of Glasgow anyway...). Hope it all goes well, and well done to all of the Kano committee for their efforts.

Lads to summarise:

Rangers have major and big issues with their support.

Celtic have a tiny minority that seem hell bent in making sure they use the club as some sort of political statement.

I agree with Jamsie, we can't have it both ways. We can't take the moral high ground with Rangers if we have a minority of our own support that play up as well.

Fair play to Sky for drowning out the noise from outside the stadium, i think people seem to forget on the week to the lead up to talks with regards a possible move down south, we go and feck it it all up in front a watching audience.

Why would the EPL want to invite that sort of stupid behaviour from Rangers and Celtic fans?

What is done is done no use keeping going over it again, who cares what the laptop loyal print at least our poor team will give them something else to write about. Time to move besides its just under 12 months when you can drag out all the old poppycock arguments again.

More importantly is the state of our team. Can anybody at the game confirm the some of our fans threw their scarves on the pitch that's bad news if true? I think we are in danger of downward spiral for sometime if we don't do something soon. For those that say we should give Tony the whole season to get his act together can we really afford to wait. The board should admit they made a mistake in hiring Tony, it still baffles me that we paid 2 million for him as he was probably losing his job anyway before we jumped in. We need to act now to stop the rot, Willie McStay is the man to take over for the rest of season, he couldn't do any worse.

magherareagh

I was also at mass this morning 10:30 in southside of Glasgow we also finished with Abide with me and it was sang with much dignity and feeling.

Although I'm fed up with Poppygate I feel Celtic should act now in preparation for next season.

As it has taken on a disturbing nationalism and importance recently Celtic should ask that no games are played on the corresponding weekend next year.

I feel that the minute silence/applause is also being overplayed.
I don't recall too many in the 70s and 80s.I suppose this public grief nonesense is here to stay.

Left computer on, mischief making from a joker in here with my last post. Please disregard his efforts at being funny.

Been reading the comments about the comments regarding the singing during the minutes silence today. I was at the game and thought I'd explain the situation for those who weren't there.

First of all there were Celtic stewards who did the rounds outside the stadium before the game who explained to the Celtic fans that if they were against the minutes silence (for whatever reason) then they should stay outside until it was over and done with. That is what happened and that is why there was singing outside. The minutes silence was perfectly observed inside the stadium. Although a guy did answer his phone, but it might have been an emergency so we'll forgive him.

If the Green Brigade were involved they weren't the only ones.

For full disclosure I was inside the stadium and I am not a member of the Green Brigade. Not that I disagree with those singing outside.

Auldheid...

Why then did they not sing their songs at the Cenotaph at 11 o clock?

You will have to ask the protestors. I don't know. I imagine that in order to answer that I'd need to know what the specifics of the protest were.

Is it the rememberance they object to or Celtic, who represent all of the support, taking part in rememberance that they object to?

Again, you are asking me a question as if I was part of, or in agreement with, the protesters. I'm not sure what the specifics were. Why? Because, broadly speaking, I'm in favoring of remembering people who died for what they felt was a higher purpose.

Celtic are like a club with rules that reflect what is good for the membership as a whole . If you sign up to support Celtic you implicity aknowledge the rules of the club and agree to abide by them. Celtic ruled in effect that a minute's silence would take place at Falkirk.

A few issues here - 1. You don't "sign up" to be a supporter of Celtic. There is no contract other than the one you make with yourself. 2. The rules that are instituted by the current board are simply that - they are not part of the heritage of history of Celtic. They are simply a set of guidelines dreamt up by a bunch of people who happen to be in a position of power. However, if you care to reference the rules by the eral power at the club, the support, then I imagine the rules will change considerably.

If the principle that makes anyone want to protest so much is so strong for them, the only honourable thing to do would be to recognise that their values and Celtic's are incompatible and withdraw from supporting Celtic, thus removing the need to protest in the vicinity of Celtic and free them to make a more teling protest at say the Cenotaph.

The fans are the club. Dermot Desmond, Chairman Reid and Peter Lawwell are no more Celtic than you or I. And you are not really in a position to divine what the "rules" are.

For example, at the club we have the "approved" fan group, the Jungle Bhoys, and the "frowned upon" group the Green Brigade. Which one is more representative of Celtic and her culture? Certainly, given that Ooh Ah Up The 'Ra was sung until the threat of being ejected from the stadium loomed large, I think the educated guessing wouldn't be going the way you think. That however is utter speculation on my part. Regardless, if people act in a lawful manner, then what's the problem?

Are we an inclusive club or not? Do we believe in free speech or not? Is the club really too small for supporters with differing views? The protesters stayed outside. They were respectful of your wish to hold the silence. Can't you extend them the same courtesy? Or is freedom of expression a one way street?

The fault in my argument of course is the use of the word honourable, a concept more marked by its absence than presence by those who willfully broke the silence.

If they really want to change the rules they are free to persuade the support and so Celtic that the rules are wrong and why. This is an argument I suspect they know they are unlikely to win, so why they would wish to associate with a club whose rules and support are such an anathema to them is something they should be asking themselves.

Once again, Dermot Desmond is NOT Celtic. Your point is exactly the same as "If you don't like this country, leave!". It's a fallacious argument. Just as workers have a right to strike people do have a right to protest. There is nothing wrong with that.

I think it's far more wrong that the board is concerned what the press will think of us! If you covet press approval that much, here are some suggestions to really get on board - 1. Remove the Irish tricolour from Celtic Park. 2. Ditch the hoops. Play in a blue strip. 3. (And this is one I'd actually like) Cease with the ridiculous Catholic thing! . CQN is a microcosm of the Sweet Jesus Holy Catholic rubbish. God bless this, St Stiv's that... I'm an athiest, I'm also a communist/anarchist in the style of Chomsky. Frankly I dislike the control mechanism that is the Catholic Church. I respect others rights to believe in whichever imaginary diety they choose to guide their lives! Now, why can't you accept that people have a legitimate right to protest? And to protest in the area they see fit?

Or should the Tianaman Square protestors have launched a particulary vigorous letter writing campaign instead? The disapproval of personal liberty is thin end of the wedge to autocracy. And this country is a far way down that road. Personally, I'm pleased that some people can actually shake off the torpor and protest at something.

To give a further example, this campaign is an extensio of the campaign against Jeanette Findlay. Where any dissenting voice is discredited and smeared. The fact that people may have a perfectly legitimate and locical argument is lost in this fallacious, illogical nonsense about "embarrassing our club"!. Whose Club? Jeanette Findlay for example represents Small shareholders in Celtic? Is she not entitled to a say? What about the protesters? Are they not entitled to a say? They pay their money the same as you and I, they are shareholders (possibly) the same as you and I. So, whose Celtic? Or maybe more appropriately who (or what) IS Celtic? I don't think you can accurately say if they embarrassed the club. They may have embarrassed Lawwell, but why is he upset? Is he concerned that they might steal his job? Or that he's doing a good enough job turning us into a laughing stock?

It is also something the majority of Celtic suporters who, for all their legitimate misgivings, do abide by the rules, ARE asking.

Wow. They abide by the rules. Just what we need, a bunch of sheep following the corporate way. After all, the sould of Celtic is in the balance sheet right?

Wait? Aren't we more than a club? And if we are, why can't we accommodate dissenting voices?

/p

Celticunderground rumor suggests that the players are trying to get the manager the sack.

Thats not too outrageous a claim.

By West Wales Celt on November 8, 2009 10:00 PM

your views ae well documunted-

if the cap fits ...

NBT @10.21..indeed there were scarves thrown on to the track..not many though but seems to be symptomatic of the level of disgust that some of the support feel..and having just watched on video..sky cameras have got a shot of a scarf lying trackside.

UTLR

I haven't attributed any blame towards the GB but merely passed on views of others.

If you say that the GB were not involved in wrongful behaviour in or out of the ground today then I'll leave it alone.

I don't believe that to be the case.

UTLR

Fair play to your groups decision not be represented at the game today. It was a mature act. I sit in 113 close to the green brigade. Your group is a credit to our support and the club. Let the people sing

Estadio Nacional, if the players are out to get Tony the sack then they will need police protection! Ill be first in the queue to boot their george daws!

oneantonrogan - where's the commitment...FFS?! :-) Enjoy.

UTLR - what happened with your lot at the last home game to cause the walk-out?

TTTT

Estadio,

If that's the fecking case, then it's a disgrace that Celtic have became this type of club.

These so called players think they are going to be at Celtic if they acheive that?

Imposters and if PL and JR have any balls they weed these imposters out of the dressing room.

On the tired or too many games in a week..

I think if you ask any guys that work or worked offshore...

When I worked there

I worked 14 straight 12 hour shifts every trip.
Not many of those shifts had much headroom for skiving either.

Estadio Nacional

I don't think the current Celtic players have the ability to be that clever.

Most of the same players were as bad for GS.

I think the reason for bad results comes down to bad players.

UTLR...

For some reason our group is being blamed on whatever happened outside the stadium on the KDS forum.

The fact that people are looking to apportion blame at all is a sorry indictment of the society we live in. Imaging you having the temerity to have an opinion that might run counter to someone elses!

Next you'll be off striking or spreading communism! (ps Don't download MP3's. It's bad. M'kay?)

Considering that our board ranks amongst it's number a man who counts a war criminal as a personal friend and another who is a climate change denier and advocate for the aviation and nuclear power industries, to be honest I'd have thought anything short of a testimonial for Fred West would be fair game (don't tell Radovan though!)

:-)

/p

p*ddy
whats your problem with protestants ? yer a bit of a bigot eh ?

Gorbals Resident,

You do understand that your perfectly reasonable explanation will not go down too well here.

On another point,

Enjoyed Rod Liddle's little bit in The Sunday Times today. Referring to the "No Surrender " banner at the Hamburg match he writes

"I have to say Rangers must feel a bit worried this morning. You don't expect them to actually win the Champions League or even progress out of the group stages, but to be given a lesson in bigotry on the terraces by the real Huns and with such style"

Well, it made me laugh anyway. And Lord Almighty, do I need a laugh!

to football matters...

common factor in the 2 decent performances last week but removed today ?
Marc Crosas, the best passer at a team who can't pass very well or am I missing something ?

In a week where Rangers politically motivated and arrogant morons embaressed their club thanks to all the tolerant Celtic fans at Falkirk today.

For those outside I have utter contempt. Someone wrote that Celtic and politics went hand in hand.

Do the board support this stance-Nope!

Do the team support this stance-Nope!

Do the vast majority of fans support this stance - I doubt it!

So therefore the vocal minority force their views upon everyone else. Does that sound like the ideals of our club?

As for the game,BTM needs to understand what this club is about , its about winning.

He has seven weeks to get through before he can enhance the squad and more performances like today may make that irrelevant.

WGS and Estadio Nacional

We were that type of club - under John Barnes and this is that season all over again with some worse results. We are fortunate that our rivals are equally poor

My mate text me around 4 or 5 to say that he was disgusted with our fans show during the mins silence.

How so? I asked.

All over You tube etc he replied.

What do you mean I asked.

Just do a search and you'll see...

Very concentrated and full list was what confronted me - almost too many videos - almost.

Makes you think...

This day is never/will never be ours to win.

Let the jingoistic patriots rattle their tambourines for this one.

The poppy now has an advert on television. The Scottish version sees a man, recently sharing back pages with gary naismith, confronting his worries.

Many many years ago I remember a man down South being castigated and lauded in the broadsheet press for (In the weeks after Lady Di's death) asking if it was maybe time to move on from the pageant. The guy was villified in the red top press.

Around that time I remember Chico Young controlling BBC Radio Scotland for a while telling all who would listen about, in the aftermath of a conversation with David Murray (Pre Knighthood), a future Rangers signing which would 'rock' not only Scottish football, but 'British football'. He was not at liberty to divulge any more information, suffice to say it would 'rock' Scottish football. Nothing ever came of it.

Who told lies there?

Who confronted the truth?

The BNP are castigated for 'hijacking' the spitfire image - I could almost imagine david cameron screaming 'How dare you! That's our bailiwick!'

The fix is in.

Britain and its armed forces are the only game in town - the last hurrah of a less than super super power.

The can't send us all to war now - in the past they would have - but they can make senseless loss look like a national imperative.

Patriotism

There's a CD out for Christmas - The Soldiers.

Action Man got lost trying to match generation X.

Now we have plain and simple fighting dolls called HM Armed Forces.

And young men and women die in hot, misunderstood countries next to roadsides day on day. For no apparent reason.

Now is not a time to be unpatriotic (That it ever was?)

It is a crying shame.

U

I was away watching my sons football team for most of the game today, seems like I missed a stinker of a performance. I phoned my Dad at half time to find out how the Bhoys had played and he was disgusted with how they had performed. He said anyone of the 10 outfield players could be subbed without question.

That is a shocking indictment that every single player turned in a bad performance the first 45.

I seen the last 20 and they at least got 2 goals but still looked dodgy at the back. And how that linesman can call something that was 2 yards onside, offside, stinks of more corrupt officiating.

I also think we should nip this poppy debate in the bud by going for white poppies for 2010.

allgreen

'I feel that the minute silence/applause is also being overplayed.
I don't recall too many in the 70s and 80s.I suppose this public grief nonesense is here to stay.'

You've probably read in the press about the Army bitching that the so called military covenant isn't being honoured.

As I understand it the military covenant is the notion that our brave boys put their lives on the line to defend the rest of us who are too cowardly to do so ourselves. In return we are to regard our brave boys as heroes, rather than economic conscripts or just ordinary people who joined up for entirely self centred reasons rather than altruistic ones.

The problem is that the British Armed forces haven't being involved in a genuinely defensive war since 1945. We're currently involved in two conflicts and are shaping up for a third in Iran. Anyone who thinks any of them is to do with the defence of this country needs to change their medication.

The whole remembrance day/poppy day circus is being used as an attempt to reinforce the ideology of the military covenant with all that that entails.

Can't wait for January.

Hope many of our current squad have already done deals elsewhere. As if they produce anymore displays like today we will never get rid of them.

A massive overhaul is needed, unfair to judge Mogga at this stage. We have all been massively critical towarsds many of our players and at times with good reason.

If we can see the deficiencies within our squad then surely expecting Mogga to get things working with this shower is a little unrealistic.

WGS...

If that's the fecking case, then it's a disgrace that Celtic have became this type of club.

I totally agree. It's not the first time we've been in this situation though. Wasn't Craig Burley rumoured to be a big problem during his time at Celtic Park?

These so called players think they are going to be at Celtic if they acheive that?

I guess in fairness to the players, it's maybe not right to actually go ahead on believing the premise. Especially give that the same players (or the majority of them) were failures last season too.

Imposters and if PL and JR have any balls they weed these imposters out of the dressing room.

I think the problem will be moving them on. They are all signed to contracts and we can't move them unless they agree to go. Sadly.

In one respect it's hard to know what's the best scenario. The players are rubbish and the managers a dud, or the players are scheming selfish and unprofessional and we're stuck with them. And the manager.

I've made myself feel a whole lot better there! Not.

/p

Eventually calmed down after that frustrating display.
Normally never get as frustrated as I was today. Sanguine kinda of supporter me...
In the time posting on CQN I have been critical of a player only twice.
Artur at Easter Road. Both times.

Today it seemed to me the team was overcome with some form of collective neurosis.....
Like last season.
There is clearly a problem in the dressing room. A firm hand is needed. Gordon Strachan was confronted with a similar issue at the same point in his tenure. But I suspect he played a stronger hand than Tony has so far.... And I mean with PL as well as the dressing room.
I also suspect that Know All would have been punted last summer but there were no takers.

Now maybe that first half performance was in some way related to the unfolding political events...? Possibly. Possibly not.

All I know is that the support is so divided on this issue that you would think a tank has been driven through our ranks. And that being so... What about the team. Maybe they are clear headed professionals who do not let such emotive subjects cloud their thinking and unity..... But maybe not. All I know that last year we were playing some great stuff up until poppycock 2008. Shortly after that we imploded.

I have already posted why I believe the Scottish Establishment have put even their english colleagues in the shade in promoting such an event ...
The appointment of our Chairman made it a fait accompli.
Fools Mate.

Whatever your point of view with respect to the amplified sounds from outside the ground today...You cannot disagree that they took the Advice of the Chairman.

They left their politics at the door....

Mountain_bhoy

I think the players have been due that since May.

WGS/Allgreen/KrakowBhoy

Agreed that the same players were as poor last season but maybe it was as they knew that Gordon Strachan was leaving.

I think we have some players who think they are above the manager, wont name any names but I can think of three of the top of my head.

EN

Celticrollercoaster.

You have mail.

canamalar...

p*ddy
whats your problem with protestants ? yer a bit of a bigot eh ?

I'm defending them!!! I'ts everyone else that has a problem!

Hold that thought.... I sound like Martin Bain!!

Yeah, in fact? I blame.... the stewards and the Police.

:-D
/p

Estadio Nacional, the problem is these players have no concept of the real world, get them out of Lennoxtown and back to Barrowfield, NOW

Evening all

just getting over the game....

Utlr...Well done to the green brigade for staying away from the game in protest

Get a grip!!

Maybe you should have put your "republican" views to one side and supported
the football club..there are lots of fans who don't want to hear your political songs at the game btw!

Ultras my bahoochy... Get back to the eighties....you'll be wearing deerstalker hats next

ANDYM KRAKOWBOY
usual crap v aiden andym you state you havent seen aiden run past anyone ffs! only last week v eburgh huns and kilmarnock he went past people for fun HE DID NOT HAVE GREAT GAME TODAY BUT TO SAY HE NEEDS TO LOSE A STONE IS RIDICULOUS

KRAKOWBOY i have read this blog only for about 4 months and im still waiting on you saying anything positive on aiden so obviously its just personal and deviod of any objectivity

re people wanting to sell the holy goalie aye right!! we would have won game today 3-0 or 3-1 if arthur was in goal today big z has hands of paper everything just goes through him not good enough

PJBhoynyc...

An excellent post. I agree with almost everything in it.

/p

Estadio Nacional

I certainly believe that there are cliques within the dressing room.

This will always happen in a workplace and it's then a test of manmanagement skills.

A while ago I was told that at a team do last season Scott Brown and Stephen McManus were two of the only players who seemed to get on with everyone.

Most of the others stayed in groups.

I'm afraid that for £10,000 a week I would talk to the devil.

Mountain_bhoy

Aye, they could do with some time outside their hidie hole in the hills.

EN

The pointer

We need two centre halves badly. a creative player and a striker in January mate.

allgreen,

Agree.

This is my last post on the jingoism. You won't have seen anything like this in any decade. As Ernie Lynch said last night it is about maintaining morale. I remember here a few years ago in the north of Ireland the last remaining british soldier who had fought in WW1 was buried.

Now you might think that our unionist friends etc, given their propensity, for commemoration of the armed forces, might have rallied round for the funeral...err no it was the proverbial one man and his dog at the funeral.

Their respect for the war dead needs to be viewed in this context...it is less about the men themselves but how they can politicise it. I was at the city hall in Belfast when they eventually honoured VC Magennis for his heroic actions in WW2...strangely enough he had been ignored for the preceding 50 years (yep he was a catholic).

The poppy was started as way of looking after ex-service men coming home from WW1. Why charitable?...the british government would not provide for the people who did their bidding. They love the charitable aspect as it completely absolves them of their responsibilities to injured service men and women.

There was no need for any such charity for the establishment officers as they were not in need. Their idea was to use young working class people to promote their policies but they were not prepared to look after the surviving families.

To conclude, this was and still is about money and the british empire's greed. At the expense of the working class of course.

As an Irish republican I have no love for the british army but people should reflect on the establishment who quite happily will allow young men and women to spill blood on their behalf.

Oiche Mhaith

Árd Macha

Thepointer

Maybe you should have put your "republican" views to one side and supported the football club..there are lots of fans who don't want to hear your political songs at the game btw!

Given that Parkhead is like a morgue it's obvious that there are lots of fans who don't want any kind of songs sung.

So perhaps we should all just shut up and watch in silence.

It's the democratic thing to do.

P*addy

I started writing a post to try and counter your input at 10.27, but thought what’s the point.

If you cannot accept what happened today was an own goal, nothing anyone here says is going to change your mind.

One thing though, oneatonrogan’s post at 10.14 states

“Someone earlier said no-one should have to remain silent during the minute's silence, freedom of speech and all that. I presume you were all in favour of Hearts booing the minute's silence when Pope John Paul II died, Barcelona fans during the post-Madrid silence, etc.”

Is that something you agree with?

RRC & Estadio

Players should not be tired if they are looking after themselves properly however if the manager is letting it be known that being tired is an excuse for this type of display then it raises more questions about TM's management

If tiredness is a problem why not start with those freshest like ZZ ?
Why wait until we are 2-1 down before changing things in midfield ?
McCourt or McGeady could have come off after 20 minutes they were both so uneffective and we were being out passes and out fought by the team at the bottom of the league !

Our biggest problem is that while we might need a new manager we definitely need some new players
This same group failed last season and would have failed the season before but for the emotional charge of the TB effect ( + the injuries and suspensions that meant WGS had to change his team )

Ulysses @10.38

It is indeed a crying shame.

Every time there is a soldier killed, the top brass turn up and tell the world how great a soldier he was.

Well maybe they all are great soldiers, who am I to question, but I just feel sorry for all those young boys and that is what most sre, and their families.

It's a crying shame,

Martin.

P*ddy

I would like that bolded please.
:0)

Those that disrupted the minute's silence are a very small minority of the Celtic support, thankfully.

Their rude behaviour, with its childish lack of respect for their fellow Celtic fans and the fans of Falkirk, is sadly typical of a section of society for whom extremist politics and a fetishised love of violence are the defining features.

Their obsession with an all-but-resolved conflict in Northern Ireland is is pitiable, and would be irrelevant to most of the Celtic support were it not the cause of regular embarrassment to the good name of the club.

Like many extremists, they believe they are a vanguard, speaking for the silent masses, yet in their delusion they fail to realise they speak, incoherently, only for themselves.

Peter Lawwell's rueful shake of the head was an eloquent expression of most Celtic fans' attitude to these people. Embarrassment and resignation that, like the poor, they will always be with us.

I loved Graham Spiers' description of the Huns' fans as a "white underclass" this morning. Those that knowingly disrupted a solemn moment of remembrance this afternoon sadly have more in common with the weirdos that follow the Huns than many Celtic fans like me.

If there's a minute's silence when Thatcher dies will we all observe it?

ItaliaBhoy

Great , spot on, unlike Aiden

Come you masters of war
You that build all the guns
You that build the death planes
You that build all the bombs
You that hide behind walls
You that hide behind desks
I just want you to know
I can see through your masks.

You that never done nothin'
But build to destroy
You play with my world
Like it's your little toy
You put a gun in my hand
And you hide from my eyes
And you turn and run farther
When the fast bullets fly.

Like Judas of old
You lie and deceive
A world war can be won
You want me to believe
But I see through your eyes
And I see through your brain
Like I see through the water
That runs down my drain.

You fasten all the triggers
For the others to fire
Then you set back and watch
When the death count gets higher
You hide in your mansion'
As young people's blood
Flows out of their bodies
And is buried in the mud.

You've thrown the worst fear
That can ever be hurled
Fear to bring children
Into the world
For threatening my baby
Unborn and unnamed
You ain't worth the blood
That runs in your veins.

How much do I know
To talk out of turn
You might say that I'm young
You might say I'm unlearned
But there's one thing I know
Though I'm younger than you
That even Jesus would never
Forgive what you do.

Let me ask you one question
Is your money that good
Will it buy you forgiveness
Do you think that it could
I think you will find
When your death takes its toll
All the money you made
Will never buy back your soul.

And I hope that you die
And your death'll come soon
I will follow your casket
In the pale afternoon
And I'll watch while you're lowered
Down to your deathbed
And I'll stand over your grave
'Til I'm sure that you're dead.

Bob Dylan

Ernie Lynch

The only way she gets a minute's silence is if they have a minute's applause.

Pin drop CSC

not going to commenst about poppy gate, hopefully over until next year.

i did watch the game bleary eyed with a couple of other bhoys in the pub. did not learn anything new

every team needs 2 goal scorers and 2 center halfs

we have one goal scorer, and no center halfs. its all Scott Mcdonald does, ie scores., i have never been keen on these non-scoring strikers eg fortune and sammi

think its not hard to argue we have some of the worst center halfs in the SPL

Limp on the transfer windowCSC

ST

ernie..like many others there will no doubt be a glass or two raised when that happens..now whether in celebration or tribute I will leave it to you to decide...

Tony Mowbray mentioned in the post match interview that the players were not physically tired but mentally tired, not quite sure what was meant by that but thats upto the manager to sort before the game.

Motivate the players so they are up for the game.

This team sure have me mentally tired.

shimmies33

As I have never met the boy how could I have a personal dislike of him? If he plays well I will give him praise but I just do not see it. I did praise him after the CIS cup game where he was outstanding but it is too fleeting.

Once again - NO END PRODUCT or at the least no consistent end product. I can count his outstanding games on two hands, it used to be one but he plays every week for 5 years so they will tot up.

I do not like his attitude in many games and I feel he is arrogant. Many of my own friends who are Celtic fans are of the same opinion and none of the Rangers fans I know rate him or more importantly fear him.

I must have had personal problems with guys like Eyal Berkovic too because I was disgusted with him on a regular basis. I hate talented players who do it when they feel like it with McGeady I don't think he has it.

I do not like him AS A PLAYER and I am sick of people defending him. A guy who keeps getting lauded for the little he does simply doesn't make sense to me. He will never be top class. He has talent but not as much as some people think.

Deary me, this poppy /1 min silence - 1min, it's gone, it's done, it's over with BS is doing my nut in. I went to the game, kept my mouth shut for 60 seconds (my wife would be amazed) but FFS, lets focus on how poor Celtic were on the park and GTF all poppy nonsense. It's getting boring / trivial rapid.

ItaliaBhoy

What do you think of Brother Walfrid inviting a man who was a convicted terrorist gun runner and jailed radical political rabble rouser to lay the first turf when the new Celtic Park was opened?

Do you not think that was a despicable thing to have done?

Every time I think about Maggie
I think of the last verse of that Dylan song.
Have since the mid eighties

I couldn't care less if there was a concert outside the ground before kick-off.

I can see this issue being utilised by the Mowbray excusers as a smokescreen. Back to the game. Utter drivel. Can't pass, can't defend, can't get any balance in midfield, can't get tactics right. Wake up, it ain't just the quality of the players.

It takes big shoulders to make bold decisions in business (for that is what the Board is all about). We ain't going to get much better, January signings or not. Time to rip up the plan and devise a new one....and fast.

WGS et al

Just watching MOTD2 (currently Wigan vs Fulham). Any thoughts on Fulham's Erik Nevland..?? Seems to be their proverbial 'Supersub' & always seems to get amongst the goals. Not sure why he's on the bench so much, but surely better than what we've got up front passing themselves off as forwards..!!

On the Wigan match - commentators giving the official attendance as 16172 (Fulham took a massive 298 away fans). Wigan's capacity is 25,138.... So much for the mighty EPL & 'the best league in the world'. Guess everyone was settling into watch Rangers away fans vs Man Ure @ 4 o'clock like the rest of us....

Hail,hail
LB

I'll be glad when this day has passed.

I won't remember it much to be honest. The team played poorly and the support was divided by some adept PR hoopla.

If this thing had stayed about commemorating the dead of both the World Wars I'd have gone along with it. A few complaints perhaps, I'd have made some philosophical, political and moral compromises ( well ,I make tons of those in the rest of my life , so why not!)

But the whole thing was hi - jacked and we were hoodwinked.

No longer was it to honour the aul' ones but now it included the wars that few supported and the modern day (YTS) squaddies - Thatchers cannon fodder that replenished the ranks so depleted by Earl Haig. Now we are being exploited to fund the charity that rehabilitates the poor sods who have been on the receiving end of an IED. (They'd hoped for a government IOU, but the CIC has told them to FO.)

Sections of the Celtic Support are now forced to take friendly fire from all and sundry, the whole shootin' match will be re - played next year, my guess is neither Peter or Dr reid will be there to fight the good fight.

G'night.

vmhan

Sorry I missed your post earlier as i had to go and have a lie down!!

Yes and Yes to your question as to when I have seen Paddy perform in the last 4 years!
Obviously I have seen him more with Derry City than in the hoops reserve side, but have watched him run riot and score a few goals for the reserves last season although not fully fit and regularly on the treatment table for a considerable part of it. I have watched him and also Niall McGinn come into the celtic first team this season. So i feel that I am giving my own opinion on Paddys credentials to be a celtic 1st teamer from what I have seen of him over those few years!.
On todays performance, Paddys was no worse than the other outfield starting 11 and I was just stressing to others my veiw to what he brings to the 1st team table. As I was hearing alot of remarks made on this blog that Paddy should be a definate starter. I just was stressing that he will struggle to consistantly keep on scoring those wonderful goals, never mind upping his work rate to do the tracking back, heading and tackling required to his all round game...As I say when the going gets tough!...the tough get going...I have yet to see this in Paddys game over the 4 years!
Paddy has a wonderful talent and will light-up the odd saturday but im just not sure this will be good enough to be a automatic 1st team choice for us?
I will always enjoy his skills for so few pocess what he was born with and over time I just might regreat writting this!! I do hope so!, for he is one nice guy!! with a marvellous ability

Ernie,

In the context of being over 100 years ago it's difficult to judge to be honest. Lots of things done 100 years ago look a bit odd from the vantage point of today, or can easily be criticised and misunderstood, and taken out of context.

My point relates specifically to the behaviour of supporters this afternoon.

Incidentally, if Brother Walfrid were alive today, would he have been singing rebel songs in the carpark whilst everyone else reflected on the dead of generations?

Are any organised supporters or fan groups in favour of Celtic wearing red poppies ? I know that the Celtic Supporters Association are against it. I've been told that the Affilliation of Celtic Supporters are opposed to it also. The Green Brigade are against. What of the Jungle Bhoys and the Rhude Bhoys and Celtic minded ? At a guess I would say that they too are against.

Makes you wonder why we're wearing them ? Oh, because the laptop loyal would give us a hard time. But don't they do that anyway ? Time to end something that is a 'splitter.'

Unite the support. Wear the white for peace poppy from now on.

Ernie Lynch 11.01 (great timimg)

pathetic post

Whats that got to do with observe a minutes silence for millions of ordinary people that died in the two world wars?

Are you aware of the horrors that those ordinary men and boys faced?

LazyBhoy,

Nevland reminds me a bit like Iversen. Not sure about him.

Is the CQN poppy groundhog day over yet or do I need to come back in about 45mins time?

BillMurrayCSC

Jamsie...

If you cannot accept what happened today was an own goal, nothing anyone here says is going to change your mind.

It's only an own goal if you are looking for the approval of the media. I couldn't care less about the media to be frank.

“Someone earlier said no-one should have to remain silent during the minute's silence, freedom of speech and all that. I presume you were all in favour of Hearts booing the minute's silence when Pope John Paul II died, Barcelona fans during the post-Madrid silence, etc.”

Is that something you agree with?

It's going to get tedious if I have to answer on specific incidents.

However, what I will say again is this - I respect the rights of people to protest against something they feel is counter to their morals or beliefs. In exactly the same way as I regard the right to strike or withhold ones labour as being a basic human right.

Now, further to that I'll add this boiler plate - Freedom of expression is a two way street. In order to have the freedom you must extend it to others.

To make this a more practical example - if the protesters dirupted the silence from inside the ground or location the silence was being held I'd regard this as wrong. To affect others freedom is unacceptable.

In principle, I respect the rights of people to protest. That includes protesting against whichever Pope the protest is made. I believe in freedom of expression.

And I didn't say "no-one should have to remain silent during the minute's silence", I advocated respecting others rights. Ie not disrupting the people inside the stadium who wished to partake. Which is what happened.

Interestingly, the only group that seems as angry at the protests are the denizens of Follow Follow! Square that circle! :-)

/p

bill murray csc..come back in 45 mins...

dan aykroyd csc

malceye @ 11:08
I agree with the sentiment of your first sentence, Man.

The tactical deployment of mics and cameras says more about the BBC in particular and the media up there in general than it does about the Celtic Support.

They wanted the minute's silence disrupted inside the stadium and all reports have it as impeccably observed. And Well Done to the supporters for that!

My hope was the media would only have football to talk about and well, we gave them that

RRC

Kevtic

As I've said before anyone who was genuinely interested in remembering the war dead wouldn't have been at the game.

They would have been at a remembrance ceremony.

Why weren't they?

Because they would rather attend a football match.

This synthetic, spurious indignation is so much excrement.

UTLR thanks for coming onto the blog and re-itterating the Green Brigades stance and decision not to attend the game, it's pretty clear that this new poppy thing is dividing the support and there are some who are wading in blaming all and sundry, playing right into their hands.

The football today was shocking and will remain so until there is a clear out, new players in January or there will be worse to come for us and it'll be der hun on 2iar.

Night all.

Hail Hail

KrakowBhoy

Here we go again..

Got to take you up on the 'no end product' you have been listening to too much Radio Clyde ;¬) thats a media line that they have thrown at McGeady and seems to have stuck without people actually analyzing how true it is.

I cant comment on todays game but he had two good passes into the box on Thursday, one for McDonald to make a mess of and another a good cross which the one of the two 'forwards' should have been on the end of. One was in the box and the other away on walk about.

I liked his end product against Kilmarnock, along with the goal at Aberdeen its one of our best this season.

Granted theres a few passes or crosses that are blundered but Ive seen Ronaldo (Portugese one) do the same, would you say he 'has no end product'?

Ive said before we have to accept the odd thing our players cant do as if they were good at all elements in their game they wouldnt be playing for us.

EN

Jamsie...

Just one further thing in terms of minutes silences. I utterly refused to partake in the minutes silence for the Queen mother. I made a point of talking through it.

Or rather, I ranted in the direction of my Mother who had the unfortunate role of accompanying me to Celtic Park that day. She wanted no part of it either, I hasten to add.

/p

Lazy Bhoy

Not sure of player mentioned but wouldn't mind Mr Hodgson!

Tinytim 7.41

Well said. All clubs have buckie fuelled wee neds who know nothing about football and even less and about the consequences of their actions. They care for no-one but themselves and their own immediate self gratification.

From what I watched on TV, the Celtic fans in the stadium behaved like normal civilised human beings. No different from any other human beings across the land observing a minute's silence on Remembrance Sunday. It was always asking for too much for our particular underclass to behave. Yes, they're smaller in number than Rangers' problem, yes we have no institutional bigotry like they have, but, we have idiots who attach themselves to Celtic and the club need to act.

I don't know too much about the Green Brigade but, from what UTLR posted earlier on, respect. I don't share the GBs views on this issue, but that's the whole point. Not every Celtic fan in the world is going to agree on particular issues, but the good name of the club and its supporters comes first.

I hope the SSM can do whatever he can to ban these particular neds. No denial, no blaming the turnstiles or whatever. These people have nothing to do with what Celtic. Find them and ban them.

We could ban some of the players today too.

ItaliaBhoy

'Incidentally, if Brother Walfrid were alive today, would he have been singing rebel songs in the carpark whilst everyone else reflected on the dead of generations?'

I doubt he would have attended a match played on a Sunday.

He would probably have been busy.

And if he wanted to pay his respects to the war dead he would have done so properly, by attending a remembrance day ceremony, not giving the idea lip service at a football game.

Estadio

The late great JJ was a year younger than Aiden is now when he won the big cup !
By now Aiden should be destroying SPL teams on a weekly basis - he isn't.
Perhaps he needs a fresh challenge or to play in a more technical environment but I fear that he is in danger of going the same way as Maloney - an eternal prospect !

Estadio Nacional

Clyde praise him all the time so sorry that is not the reason and I listen all the time so I would know only 2 weeks ago Andy Walker felt that during the Hearts defeat the other players were waiting for McGeady to win the game on his own, hardly what you suggest, Wishart did it yesterday as well.

I honestly feel he is not half as good as people think he is. Aberdeen and Kilmarnock are 3 months apart and in between we have had to watch some awful games from him AND the rest of the team. On this blog people hand out personal abuse to Skippy, Mick McManus, Caldwell (who I have called things like a fool), Samaras based on their looks and their footballing ability. But because I have a go at many people's golden boy, I get stick.

Compare his goals and assists with Nakamura and then tell me who our most creative player was for the last 4 years.

This was ALWAYS about bashing Celtic.

You Tube proves it.

To remain different and apart from them we must also accept they will throw up those differences yet magnified.

We are and might always be viewed as infiltrators. The mines of Fife lay as evidence to that.

The collective will is against us.

This is the only part of the 'Union' where R comes before C in the alphabet - although the two together can spawn some grimaces.

Know your roots. Know your rights.

U

the video being circulated by the TFOD i feel has been say 'Adjusted'

ask the fans in the stadium for thier opinion of the miutes silence and maybe someone will have 'THE TRUTH' recorded

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nG6dbz2bvEA

taggsybhoy

So you watched the game on telly.

And you say that fans who were at the game have nothing to do with Celtic.

Mmmmmmm.

I'm pleased to see so many on here express their offence at the singing during the minute's silence. Some harsh sometimes aggressive language to descrobe these individuals. Well done.

I happen to disagree with the singing today but I ain't going to get on my high horse about it. You know, there are organised groups in this country who march or assemble to express either their faith or their political views which are by and large based on a hatred of another's religion or colour of skin.

Now, if all the big critics on here tonight were equally vociferous about these groups, if in fact they did anything about them - you know, go along and tell them what you think of them - then I would bow to you in respect. But I bet most don't. Nah, take potshots at others for getting the club into 'negative media exposure.'

get a life

Croppy

Not sure we can compare them but see what you mean, he should have ambition to improve his game whether its here in the boring old SPL or else where.

If he were to spend his entire career with us he should be motivated to become a fraction fo the legent JJ is.

Hope he doesnt go the way of Maloney.

EN

P*ddy

Believe me, I’m not looking for approval from anyone, I’m not that conceited.

Let’s not get hung up on the semantics, all I’m saying is the Celtic fans at the Falkirk stadium today were asked to keep quiet for 1 (one) minute before kick off.

I’m not angry at their protest, as you are alluding to, just a little saddened.

WGS

Had a look at Nevland's stats (he's also 32 this Tuesday)

2000–2004 Viking 113 (54)
2004–2008 FC Groningen 116 (53)
2008–2009 Fulham 35 (7)
2009- Fulham 5 (1)

As you say - not sure....

Back to the drawing board I think..!!

Hail, hail
LB

Ernie Lynch

Please read my post. I said the buckie boys outside the game, not the fans inside the game.

Are you Jimmy Sanderson in disguise?

Much as I don't like him as a person, Charlie Nicholas was the last true talent to come out of our youth system. There have been many many false dawns since.

Stevie Fulton
Simon Donnelly
David Marshall
Liam Miller
John Kennedy (not his fault)
Maloney
McGeady

and many more.

It is sad but true. These guys have all gone on to have good careers but not great ones and some might argue that Charlie Nicholas wasted his career. Charlie and Paul McStay were class players but since them, not too much

croppybhoy

McGeady's needs to play with better players around him than those at Celtic.

We'll only see him reach his true potential if he moves.

malceye

Do you know the people on here who are voicing their opinions on the events of today, do not also voice their opinions vociferously on the marches you are speaking about?

taggsybhoy

You think that people went to an industrial estate on the outskirts of Grangemouth to sing a song and then go home?

They went into the game late.

KrakowBhoy

Im not trying to give you 'stick' just putting an alternative view accross.

I dont think he is a protected 'golden bhoy' but do think as you say too many people expect too much from him.

Agree the Naka stats will show him to be the most creative, Id say now he is away McGeady would be our most creative player, one of the few players that likes to move forward. Stats will probably say that Hinkel is the most creative due to assists.

EN

Bhoys

Over the last few days I have seen so many posts with so much rage being expressed on the 'poppy' issue that it leads me to believe that too many of us are leading an extremely comfortable life.

Have we nothing more important to worry about

There are far far more worthy causes to become outraged about.

Lessons from the past are important, however if we chose to steep ourselves in the rage of past misdeeds and injustice instead of learning to reconcile and move forward then it will be a plague on all our houses.

Ernie Lynch (11:01)

In my house, when Thatch goes, there will be a bottle of 12-year-old opened, a glass poured, and the stereo turned up to 11.

Elvis Costello's "Tramp The Dirt Down" will be on repeat until I finish that glass.

A minutes silence (or applause) is about respect. Respect has to be earned. She didn't earn it from me or my family.

Hail Hail

G.

Estadio Nacional

I didn't mean you were giving me stick, some other fella did.
You would be right about Hinkel and that in itself is a bad stat. who is the creative winger and who is the defender.

There are some people who just will not accept any criticism of the boy but are happy to dish it out to guys like McDonald who saved us from a REAL embarrassment today and should have won us the game as his goal at the end should have stood, so says the Herald in their match report.

I am not his biggest fan either but he has scored more goals for us than any other forward. for the last 2 seasons.

Jamsie

its a fair bet that the majority if not all don't

Ernie Lynch

I wasn't there, as you know. But, if you read my post, I support Tiny Tim's account of went on. Knowing the kind of guy TT is and the kind of Celtic supporter he is, if he says

"The group of 10 began to sing rebel songs and i cringed with embarrassment.My wife looked at her watch and said that she thought that the min silence had begun. Quite a few joined in with the chanting( 30 or 40) I've no real way of telling. I don't know how many actually knew that the min silence had actually begun,but i could tell that the press were looking for a story and we had just given them one."

then that's what happened as far as I'm concerned.

You might be proud of this and see it as some kind of political statement. I think its just really depressing. Apart from playing into the hands of Celtic's enemies, what do you think was achieved?

PS Ernie, I'm not ducking your arguments when I don't respond, I'm just going to my bed!

Talking of Elvis Costello..

A song that will always bring back memories of the run to Seville.

Pump it up

Ernie Lynch on November 8, 2009 11:35 PM

"McGeady's needs to play with better players around him than those at Celtic."

So why can't he hit the target regularly from inside the box or convert a penalty?
That's nothing to do with other players just a lack of composure.

My only visit to the Falkirk Stadium was a 1-0 win with McGeady scoring a well taken goal but he has not improved much since.

malceye

You would be wrong. You're on a blog where you personally know very few if any of the people therefore you should not make assumptions.

Kevtic
agree with you re Hodgson. In the EPL I think he has to play it tight 50% of the time. Since their amazing relegation escape a few seasons ago he's built his own team with a mixture of flair (Gera), Braun (Hangeland) & seasoned pro's who know the EPL inside out (Danny Murphy)

Unfortunately I think he's beyond us these days (& beyond our current boards downsizing plans).

Shame - guess we'll have to back BTM for the time being.

Hail, hail
LB

At kick-off time I was taking my grandson to a golf competition he was taking part in. We had the radio on (radio Scotland) and the commentator said “now for the minute’s silence” when I heard the singing I kinda grumbled noooo...the wee man said “why did they do it”? Hmmmmmm...

We failed to win the game today. In my view, there are two very clear and distinct reasons for that.

1. After months of failing midfield partnerships we find one that works, balances the team and retains possession with intelligence and composure - and the manager breaks it up.

2. A linesman who wanted to influence the outcome - and did.

If Marc Crosas has played too many games recently, why not allow him one more game and then let him rest during the international break?!

As others have said - if Marc Crosas plays, Celtic play.

Get him in the team and keep him there. If Scott Brown gets his place back ahead of Crosas I will be looking forward to finding out who our new manager will be. I will fishully have lost faith in him.

Did anybody watch the England v Australia Rugby game? If so did the teams have poppies on, because if they did, then I did not see them, but then who cares… obviously not those who took the field? Mute, mute point.

The minutes silence was impeccably respected by all in the stadium, those who may have disagreed with the concept, the sentiment, the trap, stayed outside as per the clubs wishes…. Did the town of Falkirk come to a respectful stop at an SFA(?) dictated time of ‘respect’?

I’d have personally preferred that if you are going to observe a minutes silence you do it for all, at a given time, so the nation as a whole, or those who wish to be part of that whole can mark their respect and move on.

I also wish that those who decided to counter the spin, and the flak, and the trap, in song had instead kept a respectful silence in memory of those they think deserving of respect. However, if you are going to show your particular method of respect in song, then you cannot fault the choice of song.

Aiden McAnespie

Twas on a Sunday evening the sun was in the sky
As he walked his way to the Gaelic pitch never thinking he was going to die
But as he crossed the checkpoint the sound of gunfire came
The news spread through the border town Aiden McAnespie was slain

For years he was harassed by the forces of the crown
As he went to his work every day he left his native town
The soldiers swore they´d get him the reason no one can say
And sure enough they murdered him in cold blood that sunny day

Oh why did you do it?
Have you not the guts to say
You say it was an accident or even a ricochet
But like Loughgall and Gibraltar you´re lies are well renowned
You murdered Aiden McAnespie on his way to the Gaelic ground

The people heard the gunfire they came from miles around
They saw that you man lying there dying on the ground
His flow of life was ebbing fast and people they tried their best
That bullet wound it was far to deep it went right through his chest

Oh why did you do it?
Have you not the guts to say
You say it was an accident or even a ricochet
But like Loughgall and Gibraltar you´re lies are well renowned
You murdered Aiden McAnespie on his way to the Gaelic ground

Aidens life had ended it was time for judgement day
The soldier he jumped down from the tower and the coward he slipped away
God´s curse on you Britannia for this cruel deed you´ve done
But god will have his final say when your judgement day it comes

Oh why did you do it?
Have you not the guts to say
You say it was an accident or even a ricochet
But like Loughgall and Gibraltar you´re lies are well renowned
You murdered Aiden McAnespie on his way to the Gaelic ground

To say it was an accident is the greatest crime of all
To his heart-broken family the worst had `er befalled
A cross it marks the lonely spot where Aiden was gunned down
As he strolled on that sunny evening on his way to the Gaelic ground

Oh why did you do it?
Have you not the guts to say
You say it was an accident or even a ricochet
But like Loughgall and Gibraltar you´re lies are well renowned
You murdered Aiden McAnespie on his way to the Gaelic ground

Aiden McAnespie and his family are worth respect too. They are worth remembering. I wish it had been done in silence, but others chose to do it in song. Maybe, just maybe, if the journalists do highlight a non-issue, then they remember to highlight what may have motivated the non-issue to begin with. John Reid who knows all the rebel songs and the story behind them might wish to explain the sentiment behind the highlighted song.

Just like ‘freedom of speech’ - ‘respect’ - is a two way street too, or so I think, or should we meekly only respect to discriminative preference and order.

I was one Celtic fan happy to see Mowbray get the job, from the list of 4 possibles that were supposedly on the shortlist. I certainly didn't want McGhee.
Like all managers, Mowbray deserves time to settle into the job.
I agree with him when he says it will take at least 3 transfer windows for him to assemble HIS team. (As it took GS a similar length of time to mould HIS team - post MON).

However, in the meantime, I expect our manager to get the best out of the players currently at his disposal. I have serious doubts about Mowbray's ability to do this. A managers job is to motivate and organise his players, whether he signed them or not.

Whilst I was delighted to hear Mowbray's initial post match interviews, where he rightly criticized the players performance as not being good enough, (as opposed to GS who would have complimented the players after a game like today's!!) - I now believe Mowbray should be very careful of how much criticism the players can take before it backfires, as they lose what self-confidence they have. It's maybe time for Mowbray to contain his critical comments to the confines of the dressing room. Apparently, it does not get the best out of the players to slag them in public (even if they deserve it).

Re Mowbray - one of my biggest concerns has been his choice of substitutions since he took over. I've lost count of the times I've seen (IMO) a poor substitution from the man. eg How many games did he give Scott Brown the full 90 mins, whilst taking off other midfielders who were playing better than him?

I am of the firm believe that games are (by and large) won in midfield, and central midfield in particular. This has been Celtic's biggest problem for many seasons now. We have no forward thrust from this area. Today we had N'Guemo and Robson. How many times did either of them make a run beyond our forwards? Zero...Zip. N'geumo sat deep to protect the back four (fair enough) but Robson should have been bursting a gut to get up and support the front two. I fear he knew he didn't have the pace to get back if we lost possession and as such he never got close to their box.
Granted our tactics from the off seemed to be for our back 4 to punt long balls up to Sami and Marc (who even though tall, both prefer the ball to feet?). Neither forward was able to hold play up today, especially in 1st half where they continually lost possession. We gave away the ball that easily today it's no wonder Falkirk looked the better team in the 1st half.

Why, if Mowbray's philosophy is to play entertaining football, did he allow us to punt long balls forward all day, completely missing out our midfield?
Why are we continually playing a 4 man midfield where our only attacking threats are out wide? (and too easily marked out of the game).
Why leave ZZ, an attacking central midfielder (something the team is crying out for) on the bench, only to give him the last 1/2 hour when we're a goal behind?

I have so many questions that only Mowbray can answer, and I am beginning to think he's going to throw this title away to a very poor Rangers side.
I am not sure if sacking Mowbray is the answer.
On the one hand, he cost £2m in comp' to get here and will cost another considerable amount to pay off (along with backroom staff). This would hardly encourage any decent manager to take over - knowing what limited funds we have are already gone to the outgoing coaching staff. Plus the incoming manager would know he will likely be given a similarly short space of time to change things around, without the sums to change playing personnel.
On the other hand, if Mowbray continues to fail to get the current squad to play better than GS's team can we afford to let this go on indefinitely? I believe Mowbray should be given more time, at least to the summer, but worry that he will waste whatever budget he gets in January on players who will not improve the team. Fox, N'Guemo, Fortune and Zheung have been brought in so far. None has stuck out as being a great signing.
Fox is starting to play like Naylor (poor crossing) - N'Guemo is inconsistent - Fortune doesn't inspire - and Zheung is too early too judge, but couldn't get a start today!

Rant over for now.

gerry_bhoy

jamsie

and you are equally guilty of making an assumption. Anyone who knows my assumption is wrong will no doubt inform me...

Jamsie on November 8, 2009 11:32 PM

Believe me, I’m not looking for approval from anyone, I’m not that conceited.

"If you cannot accept what happened today was an own goal,". So, if it was an own goal, in which way? We won't be censured by the SFA or SPL. UEFA don't care. We won't be punished, so how is it an own goal? Unless you mean by the papers attacking us. The corollary of that is that we want the papers to write nice things about us. We seek their approval in other words.

And approval seeking is not the behaviour of the conceited.

Let’s not get hung up on the semantics, all I’m saying is the Celtic fans at the Falkirk stadium today were asked to keep quiet for 1 (one) minute before kick off.

And the fans inside the stadium kept quiet. They complied with the hosts wishes. Those that didn't stayed outside and did their own thing. For people who are protesting, the length of time is irrelevant. For example, being wrongly imprisoned is wrong, whether for one minute or 10 years. It's the principle that's at stake. Unless of course you are suggesting that Falkirk's reach should extend beyond the stadium? If it does, how far should it extend? 10 miles? 20 miles? When can people safely act of their own volition?

I’m not angry at their protest, as you are alluding to, just a little saddened.

Many profess to be angry however. I was making a general comment. Why does it sadden you that others have their own opinions and act in a way they see fit?

/p

Not posted for ages, but was so digusted with today that I had to pose the following.

When we played Crossas and N'Guemo in centre midfield, we looked to have a good balance to the team.

BTM then drops Crossas, which begs the questions:

Is Marc Crossas our Michael Ball, or is Mowbray just clueless?

Anyone else think Tony Mowbrey could end up as our Paul Le Guen?

I thought he looked liked a man whose head was birling today.

By p*ddy on November 8, 2009 10:27 PM

Celtic for me are like a gentlemans' club. In a gentlemans club the rules are unwritten, that is what makes them gentlemen you see.

It is an abstract concept not a concrete one.

An unwritten rule of gentlemen is that at all times decency and respect are the bed rock of what makes us gentlemen.

Decency and respect are what makes Celtic, Celtic. The "protest" near enough Celtic to be associated with Celtic was neither decent or respectful, in fact it was disrespectful to Celtic BECAUSE it was done in the vicinity of the club. It was disrespectful to the dead also but if that cannot be seen, what chance has it of been seen as disrespectful to Celtic?

If you canot see that singing outside a ground where a minutes silence was taking place is not disrespectful to everyone taking part then I'm switching my fudometer software back on.

PJBhoynyc...

P*ddy

I would like that bolded please.
:0)

There we go! :-D

/p

RRC

Theres similarities with the monster munch bunch that helped PLG get the sack.

EN

Fred C. Dobbs

'the wee man said "why did they do it”?'

So the wee many knew the words and joined in the singing.

Respect.

RRC

I do and it saddens me to say that but I believe the players are not playing for the manager

SFTB, if ur around, read your response on the webpage of which i will not speak! nice one.

EN

Yip!

KrakowBhoy @ 12.06
I agree.
These players are not playing for the manager.
The same players, could not or would not play for the previous incumbent.
There is something seriously wrong at Celtic.

RRC

I hope the same foul play that got PLG the sack are not at play here because if the players do dictate things, we are in for zero progress as a football team until every last one of them is removed from the premises.

Hopefully that is not the case though and an evolving turnaround of players will see a steady increase in our standard of play, fight, desire and appreciation of wearing the Hoops.

Ernie Lynch,

I kid you not, he said "what is funny"?.

Paul67 ,

Can I suggest you "save" all of this years poppy debate posts , shut the site down next year for a week and then "paste" them all in and we'll then move on to slaggin' Celtic again...

Tin hat on !

kitalba

The point is Celtic fans do remember Aiden McAnespie more or less every game. But the same fans couldn't spare a minute for ordinary men, women and children who were unfortunate to be born prior to 1914 and 1939. The ones that gave up their lives in these two wars are among the greatest people ever to live on this planet regardless of the uniform there wore.

So what happens in January

Hail Hail

Auldheid...

Celtic for me are like a gentlemans' club. In a gentlemans club the rules are unwritten, that is what makes them gentlemen you see.

So what you actually mean is "the rules YOU would like Celtic to live by". If they are unwritten, how can you know what the majority want or approve of?

It is an abstract concept not a concrete one.

If they are so abstract how come you know these rules and I don't? And why are your rules more important than mine? I'm a member of this particular club too, except you don't seem to know it.

An unwritten rule of gentlemen is that at all times decency and respect are the bed rock of what makes us gentlemen.

Respect for unfair laws? Should the Guildford 4 just have sucked it up? Are you really suggesting we should all simply mindlessly obey and consume? Never ask questions and never voice concerns?

Decency and respect are what makes Celtic, Celtic. The "protest" near enough Celtic to be associated with Celtic was neither decent or respectful, in fact it was disrespectful to Celtic BECAUSE it was done in the vicinity of the club. It was disrespectful to the dead also but if that cannot be seen, what chance has it of been seen as disrespectful to Celtic?

You don't even know what the protest was about, so how can you possibly profess to know whether they were being decent or not?

You are not authority. Falkirk made a request to observe a minutes silence. Out of respect for the process, the people and the hosts, the protesters made their protest outside of the ground. Does distance matter? If you can't hear it, is the protest ok? If a tree falls in a deserted forest does it make any noise? Or, how far away from the ground would it have needed to be before it's respectful not to observe the silence? Because it's the not observing the silence you are upset about, yes? If it's only the proximity you are concerned with, surely a legitimate protest has a right to be stationed next to the event it disagrees with? Like Tianamen Square? Like the Kent State protests? How can you protest remotely?

If you canot see that singing outside a ground where a minutes silence was taking place is not disrespectful to everyone taking part then I'm switching my fudometer software back on.

Why is it disrespectful? What was the protest about? Do you know? If not how can you possibly comment on it's respectability?

/p

KrakowBhoy

Agree with your comments and utter a few of my own!!

These payers are not capable to give 100% effort for the Jersey!!

SHAME!!..SHAME!!..SHAME.. ON THEM!!

By Ernie Lynch on November 8, 2009 11:01 PM

`If there's a minute's silence when Thatcher dies will we all observe it?`

Ernie, if you kill her i`ll keep quiet aboot it.

Morning,all

I'm on record as saying that we can't blame the manager who inherited a team of numpties,nor can you blame the players for refusing to sign for Celtic because they're not good enough,BUT...

Any team of professional footballers who can put on a display like that shower did today should be thoroughly ashamed.
Prior to the match,my local pub team would have fancied themselves against a Falkirk side who had only scored twice at home all season. Afterwards,they would have fancied themselves against Celtic too!
BTW,McDonald was offside in injury-time when he "scored",but on-side when Samaras SHOULD have scored.

I fear the worse sadly.

We look to be a poor side, and results and performances like today will end up at Tony's door I think

p*addy

I cannot remember if you’ve made any comment on the trouble the Ranger’s fans caused last week, but there have been a lot of posters on all Celtic sites have, mostly mocking the fact that every time something happens it’s never their fault.

If we want to do that, how can we then say ok here’s a reason we did this or that, when the majority of people in this country, including Celtic people don’t agree with it. Or do you think most Celtic people think it was right to sing outside the stadium during the minutes silence?

I’ve been about too long to know we are never going to get the press in this country writing good things about us, but we shouldn’t make their job easy.

I’m saddened because I have values which include respecting the dead.

Auldheid, completely agree, it's one thing not to agree with the minute's silence and therefore not participate, it's another thing to do the complete opposite. They could have chatted amongst themselves made there point, but that's not enough is it. They want to do the complete opposite, they want to tell the whole world how defiant they are. One has to consider why they have to do the complete opposite, is it because they want some attention, i.e. look at me! I'm so important. Yes, I'm so much more important than my other Celtic fans, more important than the club itself. No one should be forced to conform, but sometimes people are just looking to get a reaction, for selfish reasons...

p*ddy - I was in the away end today and as I commented earlier, the silence in the ground was pretty much impeccably observed. The Falkirk announcer, prior to the silence, was at pains to point out the losses incurred by the clubs during the wars.

It seemed to me that the wording of the announcement had been carefully agreed with our club's hierarchy, most probably with you're bestest mate Dr. Reid. This would have been in response to the tabloid-driven backlash to a possible minutes applause.

A Celtic steward was positioned directly outside the turnstiles (9 & 10) and basically asked us not to fall into the media-driven trap. He took an ear-bashing from some fans who thought differently! The guy was just trying to point out the obvious, that our "friends" in the media couldn't wait to put the boot into the Hoops support.

Standing in the ground, I was proud of the assembled Hoops support during the minutes silence. Then we heard the singing from outside, but there was no real reaction to it within the stadium from home or away support.

Personally, I think I would have had more respect for our "protesters" if they had stood either in the stadium or outside doing the silent RA version of the Black Panther salute, honouring the dead soldiers they really respect.
No noise and forcing the Hun tabloids to put up or shut up. Seeemples!

TTTT

Paddy
You tell me what it was aiming to achieve and just how much you think it furthered that aim and I'll compare what you think with what I think.

zimmerman,
If you are out there in lurkyland...

Happy Birthday, Mate.

A wee song for ye!

Chimes Of Freedom!